I definitely do not think it was the interferon. It is good she still has
an appetite. Please let us know what the vet says.
sending prayers,
Michelle
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Ember
suddenly isn't doing well. I woke up this
Program, a pill that is a flea birth control hormone, seems to work well,
and I feel like it is safer than the chemical topical applications (not sure if
that is true or not). I don't use it with mine, but I don't use anything
for fleas at this point. If they get them, I would use that
True, but somehow it seems to control the flea populations sufficiently
that way so the fleas disappear. I am not sure why. I think maybe the adults, by
the time they bite, don't live much longer.
Michelle
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It is probable, though not certain, that the mass is mediastinal lymphoma, something cats with FeLV are very prone to. Chemotherapy tends to help a lot, as mediastinal lymphoma is particularly responsive to chemotherapy. They do not give strong enough chemo to usually completely cure, but
No,I am in NJ, used to be in MA, but know nothing about Texas. I'm
sorry. But I think some others on the list are in Texas.
I'll be thinking about you. Please keep us updated.
Michelle
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Hi,
They do not like mint, or eucalyptus oil. We got them to leave by putting
both where they were going, and tracking them back to their nest in a wall and
putting the oil around the edges of the hole and stuffing some mint in it. We
did not want to kill the ants, or hurt anyone else, and it
When my Lucy, who is positive, starting having loose stool, I was really
scared it was intestinal lymphoma, which positives are prone to. But she has
IBD. Which can turn into lymphoma if not controlled (or maybe even if it
is controlled, I don't know). The only thing that has helped her is
Lisa,
You may need to change vets, as many of us have had to
do. There are positive cats on this list who have lived as long as 14.
Though that is not the norm, many of us have had positives live to 5, 6, or
longer. I am always afraid of jinxing mine, but I have a 5 year old and a 6 year
Look in a health food store or online for Lysine in capsules. It comes that
way, and you can open the capsules and use the powder.
Michelle
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Anyone know where I can purchase lysine in powder form?
Nina,
What have you concluded about EE versus RR?
Thanks,
Michelle
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gang,Gosh everyone's been quiet lately! A little while back we
were discussing RR and I mentioned that I'd heard of
I don't really think any of us recommend no antiobiotics; we just caution
against using them when you don't need to. I would highly, highly recommend a
few doses of Immuno-Regulin-- it helped my Ginger get over a lingering
upper respiratory infection in just two doses-- and she had fever
Forwarding for those of you who feed ferals... and because I found her
answer on slugs to be very amusing. It's from the Best Friends No More Homeless
Pets forum, which I recommend by the way and can be joined via their
website.
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It's
I thought the program is just for fleas.
Michelle
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the program does not workfor ringworm. all 8 here had it over the holidays and after a month of no results we useda spray and shampoo made by malaseb. for
Kerry, did you ever try the Immuno-Regulin for the fevers? It got rid of them for Smokey on this list, who seemed to have the same on and off fevers as Bandy. I have a feeling you may have written about this before, but can't remember so thought I would ask.
Michelle
In a message dated
Actually, I am almost positive that someone said a long time ago that the Immuno-regulin helped her cat kick ringworm. I think ringworm gets more of a hold when cats have suppressed immune symptoms, like with FeLV, and the I-R gives the immune system a quick boost to help fight it. Maybe it
Yes, if the anemia is caused by lymphoma, leukemia the cancer, or an auto-immune response, steroids are one of the best things to use and are actually necessary.
Michelle
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Hi, It depends on what is
We can not know everything. Now you know. If you had brought him to the vet and it was nothing, you would have felt bad about stressing him unnecessarily. We are always walking this fine line with our positives and ferals.
Michelle
In a message dated 6/14/2006 7:41:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Kerry, I bought the Immuno-Regulin from Revival online, and it arrived
quickly and without problem, and I think was about $30 for a vial I have used
several times and it is still half full.
Michelle
Yes, on the lysine. As to interferon, most people who give it give it
prophylactically, before they get sick, to try to keep the immune system up. It
is up in the air how much, or if, it helps. Personally I think that things
like lysine and immuno-regulin work better, but I-R is not
Kerry,
At least to start, I would give I-R IV, at the vet's if you
can't do it yourself. That is the only way the studies show it working and the
company that makes it says it will work. They advise against giving it sub-q.
However, at least 2 cats on this list have gotten it sub-q without
Kerry,. if he is still not eating enough, 1) try the liver shake recipe,
and 2) if he won't eat that either or enough (normal or almost normal amount)
you should probably syringe feed him some. Once they don't eat, they feel weaker
and worse, which makes them less likely to eat, a vicious
Kerry, maybe you should have her get it overnighted by Revival so it will
get there on Tuesday.
Michelle
Have you tried calling Tabby's Place? I think it's on 22 or 202 near
Bridgewater. When I was there last year they said they were going to build a
room for FeLV+ cats and kittens. If they don't have space, they may know someone
who does.
Michelle
Flanders, NJ
In a message dated 6/17/2006
I don't think that not eating affects PCV much.
Michelle
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It sounds like if he would just
eat, then his PCV and protein would improve. Even though 22 is lower
than he was, at least it's still a
Most feline anemia is not due to low iron. I myself had low iron anemia for
a while, and my iron levels were actually low. But I am vegan, and ona
medicine that hinders iron absorbtion, and a menstruating woman. Fasting for
a few days does not make people get iron anemic, usually. And vets
These are just things I have been told, not really my opinion as I have no
medical training myself. I know medical things we are told are often
wrong, including things told to me.
Michelle
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Yes, I was there years ago, and it was fantastically beautiful, and the
shelter is unbelievably large and well-run and wonderful.
Michelle
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Michelle,I love Best Friends! I think what they are doing
Well, I did 1 ml, and it was for pneumonia with one cat and a bad URI with the other. It only took 1 dose with the first, and two doses with the second (3 days apart) and then they were better, so I never had to think about long-term dosing. I'm not sure. I think I would do every 3 or 4 days
I am not sure why they gave her 3-4 months. That might be the case, but mediastinal lymphoma sometimes responds very well to chemo, and some cats have gone years in remission from chemo. Cats with FeLV respond as well to chemo, but they do tend to come out of remission faster if they go into
I feed raw to my two positives. I was worried about it too, but my hand was forced when one of my positives, Lucy, got IBD and stopped being able to tolerate even the best canned food. I read about raw and decided to try it, and she is so much better on it. I still gave canned to my other
No, I actually agree with that. It does depend on the cat. If Samantha is terrified of car rides and vets, I might not do chemo, because you need weekly appointments. It all depends. If she is relatively ok with it, I would.
Michelle
In a message dated 6/19/2006 4:58:06 PM Eastern Standard
Triaminic, the orange version, is a children's cold remedy that really helps clear congestion. A vet told me to give .2 ml (that's point 2, not 2) to Ginger when she was too stuffed up to eat, and it really seemed to make her feel better and help her start eating.
Michelle
In a message dated
The depo/dex shots, besides making them more comfortable, actually does
shrink lymphoma. The vet who taught me the regimen said that she sometimes saw
cats with lymphoma go 6 months on these shots alone. When my Simon came
out of remission from chemo and was too sick to get more chemo,
I wonder if immuno-regulin can be used with kittens?
Michelle
CoQ10 is supposed to help. Maybe I-R would, I am not sure.
Michelle
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My 1st
FeLV+ cat, I have had him 3 years, is healthy and activeexcept that he has
a chronic gum problem.. Antibiotics help
Have you tried the liver shake?
Michelle
Yes. It's the simplest of the formulas, with the fewest ingredients, I
think. It's bright orange. The different formulas are diffferent colors.
Michelle
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Thanks
for that, Michelle! I'm willing to
My Ginger is the only one I have heard of getting a temp afterwards.
Patches didn't, and no one else's cats seem to have. But it is listed as a
possible side effect. It lasted for about an hour and gave her chills, but then
her fever went lower than it had been before the shot. Most cats do
Lisa,
I would not give him flea medication while he is sick, unless
he is clearly infested. Interferon, while possibly prophylactic, has never, to
my knowledge, helped a cat get over anemia or anything serious like that.
Immuno-Regulin maybe, but not interferon. It has done more for mouth
I know that someone on the lymphoma group had a cat with nasal lymphoma who
got it treated (chemo or radiation or both, not sure), and he did really well
for a few years after that.
Michelle
My cat Lucy is exactly like this. She would only eat dry, period.
Then she got IBD and could not eat dry, and luckily she likes raw food, so that
is what she gets now. I was afraid she would not eat the raw because she would
not eat wet food, but she was into it immediately. I give her
I am running out so will let someone else explain how to do it, but it is
not hard and I have done many many times. basically it involves using A/D,
or another canned food mixed with water to the consistency of a slurry, or baby
food, using 3 ml or 6 ml oral syringes (can get from vet),
Feel the gums. If tacky or dry, there is dehydration.
Michelle
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Do you know how to test for dehydration? Lift the skin
on his scruff and make sure it bounces back quickly, if it just holds the
Brenda, I read so many of these posts, but reading yours I still could
barely hold back tears. I can't believe what you have gone through. Bless you
for giving them all life. I know it is very little consolation, but it is good
that when she went she went fast, and did not suffer. I hope
Julia, I really think thata dexamethasone/depomedrol shot would make
her feel much better. It can make them feel good until they are ready to
go. I have seen it happen with lymphoma multiple times, as has at least one
other person on this list.
Michelle
In a message dated 6/28/2006 3:13:12
DMG is supposed to be really helpful. I used it briefly, I think, but I
have used a lot of things.
Michelle
I'm so sorry.
Michelle
What you already use sounds good to me. I think Best Friends said that they
give monthly Vitamin B shots to their FIV+ cats, but I am not sure I am
remembering right. If you call Best Friends and ask for the cat headquarters,
they will be happy to tell you what they use.
Michelle
In a
I am so, so sorry Hideyo. You have been through so much.
Michelle
I placed an FIV+ cat, Charlie from the shelter where I volunteered, through
one of the online FIV lists. The woman who took him has 12 or 13 FIV+ cats. We
had to get him from MA to VA, and she picked him up there (she lives in
TN). So it is possible. It's difficult, though.
Michelle
In a
oh my god, I am so sorry. Yes, I have heard of it. Hideyo had it happen to
her. I think it happens in a small number of cases, like with human surgeries.
It could mean there was an underlying health issue that was undetectable.
Michelle
When my cats are sick, I give them sub-q fluids at home. I think that is
true for most of us on the list. You should have your vet teach you how to do
it. It really is not hard. The only thing that is hard is if Minnie is a
total monster about it (most cats aren't after the first or second
I would definitely syringe feed her. Not just a little though. You want to
try to get 100 cc's per day into her. I would do it in meals of 20-30 cc's at a
time. A/D is what they usually use. You can use baby food short-term.
What exactly is wrong with Minnie? I may have missed some of the
Lucy, who is positive, has had what we assume to be IBD since last
October. After an initial dosing of prednisone and tapering to only 1.25
mg every 3 days, and a change to a raw food diet, she has been doing well for
the last 6 months or so. However, in the last few weeks she started to get
I actually got Red Bank hospital, the best in the state, to schedule me an
appointment with an internist at the earliest date, but that is Thursday
afternoon-- a long way away. I did try to talk the regular vet into just trying
the Leukeran, but he wouldn't, and Lucy wasn't as bad yesterday
It is pretty soft anyway. You just mix in a little water. You need to get
it from a vet, though, as it is prescription.
You can also try Gerber's turkey or chicken or lamb baby food. And
you can try the liver shake recipe, sick cats often will eat that and it is very
nutritious. Here is
Lucy had very high calcium on one lab test, but the vet said that this is
often lab error, and seemed to be so for her (it was last October, and I think
she had normal calcium levels after that). They said it could be a sign of
cancer of the parathyroid gland, but that most likely it was a
Nina is saying to get Beechnut because it is better quality, in that it
does not contain corn starch, which cats don't need. But I have also found, with
mine at least, that it is less palatable to them (probably because it is better
for them!). I would get both brands (you may not even be
Well, I had gotten Lucy to eat a decent amount for dinner, mostly baby food
(1.5 jars), some i/d dry (which she had not had in months), and a little bit of
raw duck. But at 3 am, about 7 hours later, she just had completely liquid
diarrhea and seems to feel nauseous also. Right now I am
I did go through all of this when her problem started last October. It
started after she was on antibiotics for a month. I tried all kinds of
probiotics, and they all made her diarrhea worse. I tried fast track. I
also started her out on chicken when her problems started, and her diarrhea
It's hard to say what would help without knowing what is wrong with
her. She needs a diagnosis. There are so many things that positive cats
can get, and most have treatments of one sort or another that at least sometimes
work.
Michelle
In a message dated 7/2/2006 12:23:05 P.M. Eastern
She just ate some more broiled turkey and turkey organs, then jumped on
Patches as she exited the litter box (poor Patches, but it made me feel better
about Lucy), then wanted to go outside again. Again, this could just mean
that her symptoms are under control from all the meds, rather than
Well, she ate almost all of the second batch of turkey that I broiled, and
has probably eaten about a third of a breast by now, at least. And then
she killed a mouse. I feel so guilty about that. I was telling my mom this
morning about how I switched from corn litter to pine litter a few
Thanks. That helps. In that case I would very highly recommend that you
give her a few doses of Immuno-Regulin shots. There is info about it on the
website (www.felineleukemia.org). It has
helped a bunch of our cats with weak immune issues like respiratory infections
and low white blood
Thanks, Kerry. She's eating pretty well now, though will mostly only
eat broiled turkey-- she did eat a few bites of her raw food this morning while
waiting for the cooked, though. She had some liquid stool again last night
at 7, but it has been over 14 hours now with no stool, so I have my
Thanks, Kerry. Is Inky FeLV-? And did you ever have to do 10
mg/day of pred for a while to get Inky back to feeling ok and having normal
stool?
I would start the I-R as soon as your vet gets back. I know some people
give it sub-q and it seems to work fine that way, but it is recommended
Kerry, another thought... Has the vet looked into rheumatoid arthritis for
Bandy? That kind of arthritis is immune-mediated. I am wondering if that
could be what is going on. I don't know if cats get it. Does he have any
swelling in his leg joints when he gets sore? If so, there is also
Kerry,
Did Inky ever have a relapse where you gave extra pred but it
did not kick in during the first few days? Lucy has been on 12.5 mg/day for 3
days now but is still having liquid stool (though she had one semi-solid stool
yesterday, and at least her stools are far apart and not
Kerry, is it possible that Bandy has Calici virus? Has he been tested for
it? I did not think of it, because it generally affects kittens only, but I was
just looking at Robert MacDowell's remedy for it and he says it can surface
later in life if the cat is immuno-compromised. It gives
No, I had her palpated at the local vet on Friday and he couldn't feel
anything.
Thanks,
Michelle
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Michelle,if there is/are any palpable lump type things in her
abdomen, a fine needle aspirate could
Well, I found two very small, very hard bowels in the litter box just now.
I can't be sure it's Lucy and not Patches, but I think it probably was. it would
make sense of why she has had very small amounts of liquid stool very far apart,
as that can happen with constipation. She has not
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I think that one of the websites my mom sent me mentioned silica being bad
also. I can see if I can find it. You can probably find info on it by
doing a search on cat litter and silica.
Michelle
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This is what i found on one of the web pages my mom sent me:
Most, if not all, clay litters contain silica, which is potentially harmful.
>From a Web
page at The Andersons' Web site (manufacturers of FIELDFresh):
"Crystalline Silica, once airborne, shows the ability of causing Silicosis.
They are absorbed well if you rub them on the skin inside the ear, where
you would put transdermal meds.
Michelle
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My alternative vet tells me to put drops on their
heads (or as close to them as
I did not use this in the house when my dogs were alive, so it's possible.
I have been worried that it is attracting mice (we have a lot of mice in the
house, judging from Lucy's hunting exploits), which is why I had switched to
pine. I switched back because Lucy got sick around the same
On second thought, though... the corn litter I use is tiny little hard
pieces of corn. Are there really a lot of dogs who would eat that? Or is there
another kind of corn litter that is in another form?
I guess it's hard to predict what dogs will eat, though!
Michelle
In a message dated
Lucy just kills them, but does not eat them. Patches just watches
them. Not sure what to do about them. I tried changing the litter, but the pine
I switched to may have made Lucy sick. Wheat would probably attract mice too.
Clay isn't good for the cats. And I am skittish of the ink in the
Patches does this from anxiety. it is not an allergy with her, it is
anxiety. But she does not do it anymore, because I put compounded transdermal
benadryl in her ears twice a day. If I stop doing that, because I run out or
something, she picks right up and starts at her belly and legs
I am using rice bran now, which I hope helps. I have used slippery elm in
the past, but it seems to increase Lucy's diarrhea when she has it.
Thanks,
Michelle
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Michelle,
That sounds much
Nina, Patches actually doesn't itch. It's anxiety, a compulsive
habit, rather than due to itching. The benadryl is given in a very small dose,
transdermally in her ears, as an anti-anxiety drug rather than as an
antihistimine. She sometimes licks anyway (I haven't seen her do it in a long
Does chlortrimiteton have tranquilizing effects like Benadryl? I know
Benadryl makes me sleepy, and I figured that is why it works for patches, though
it does not make her sleepy.
I have not seen or heard of any bad effects. Did you read something
specific about it?
Michelle
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The scar is not noticeable under her fur, and I don't think it bothers her
at all. The benadryl and felliway seem to work well for her. I am so used to
using both of them that it does not seem like a big deal, and I have never
thought that low dose benadryl is a problem. Do you think it is
the side effects lists for both of these are kind of scary. It's odd. I
almost always do side effects research before starting them on anything, but it
never even occurred to me to research the benadryl.
She is on a very small dosage (I think it's equivalent to 1/6 of the
smallest over the
I think that the dose Patches is on for anxiety is lower than an anti-itch
dose. It is a very low dose.
What you say worries me. But with her FeLV, I also worry that stress can
trigger her virus and cause her to get lymphoma, which has happened with my
other cats, and the benadryl reduces
I'm sorry he is doing badly again. I would guess rheumatoid arthritis
or polyarthritis. Polyarthritis is an auto-immune reaction. Does it get
better when he gets dex shots? Polyarthritis would.
Have you started the Immuno-Regulin?
Michelle
In a message dated 7/6/2006 7:48:19 A.M. Eastern
Is she looking for a positive? Because Ilene on this list has a positive
kitten in NJ and her mom is forcing her to take the kitten to a shelter.
Michelle
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anyone
help her?
Kerry, I do think Ginger's reaction is rare. So you might want to wait and
see before putting him in an incubator.
I don't think fluids from yesterday would be in his leg today unless he has
edema or something. I think something else is going on.
Michelle
In a message dated 7/6/2006
I just had to unsubscribe to a feline IBD group. I had unsubscribed to the
other one months ago. The people on it are so mean! On the first group,
the moderator had all messages going through her, and literally sent me back
almost every one of my posts to say I either had not included enough
I doubt the trees themselves, or the bark, is a problem. In fact, maritime
pine bark extract is a health supplement, renowned for its antioxidant effects,
and i gave it to my dog Fern when she had cancer and she did really well on
it. I think it is the pine oil that is the problem, which is
I think you are right about this. Quincy has used pine litter for years
with no problem, and Lucy seems to have (though it could be coincidental) gotten
a flare-up of her IBD just from using it for a few days.
Michelle
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You know, I am wondering now if Lucy is actually allergic/sensitive to all
wood products. She got constipated after I put her on pred and was feeding
her just plain broiled turkey for a few days, as her intestines calmed down and
she was getting no fiber. I then started mixing some rice bran
i/d gives Lucy diarrhea. It's actually what made her really bad
last week. Her stools were really soft and she would not eat, so I gave
her some i/d because she likes it and then she had liquid diarrhea. It's
what the vet had prescribed for her at first.
Michelle
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God, Nina, I am so incredibly sorry.
Michelle
Thanks. She is doing better at this point, so far, now is actually a bit
constipated. I had postponed the specialist visit to Tuesday, and if she is
still doing better tomorrow I am going to cancel it (I can reschedule in the
future if needed).
I have two litterboxes for the two positives
Prayers for Madison. I had heard that VAS occurs withini a few weeks after
vaccination only.
Michelle
There is a rabies vaccine (can't remember the name off the top of my head--
the company is something like Mirasol) that goes into the skin without a
needle. My vet carries it (it is actually how I chose my current
vet). It is a yearly shot, but it supposedly has no risk of associated
Beth, I am very sorry. It does sound like FIP.
Michelle
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