obably not even then.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
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From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey]
Hi Chrissy,
Well, I don't know that adding accessibility would necessarily double
game pricing, but it would cost the game companies something to add all
the same. Certainly it wouldn't come free, of course, and it would take
some extra time and effort to add. Never-the-less it isn't as expensi
l Message - From: "Ryan Strunk"
>To: "'Gamers Discussion list'"
>Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:26 PM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
>
>
>>So we have a responsibility not to make it worse.
>>
>>
ber 08, 2009 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hi Al,
It simply is not financially feasible for a company like Sony to do that.
It would likely cost them much more than it is worth to create a line of
games specifically for the visually impaired. There is a lo
True Tom, but even more successful independent companies have been
reasonable about access.
One great example of this is Niels bauer, for their full history, look
them up on Wikipedia, --- and you'll see they've been going for a lot
longer, and been far more successful (relatively sp
Hi Al,
It simply is not financially feasible for a company like Sony to do
that. It would likely cost them much more than it is worth to create a
line of games specifically for the visually impaired. There is a lot of
money involved in bringing a single product like that to market, and
commerc
Hi David,
Absolutely correct. Our list is a minority of a minority and we usually
have around 300 members on average. All of us together would not be a
very convincing group of blind gamers to encourage mainstream game
developers of the value of accessibility. If a talking clock that sold
thou
Hi Allan,
Unfortunately, that pbroaches the question of how you will make the
business work. Sure you could put millions into the company for start up
costs, but you still have to earn that money back with a healthy profit
to make it continue. Of course if the games are designed in such a way
Hi Dark,
Well, keep in mind here that most independent developers are in it more
for the pleasure of doing it than the money. Call it a hobby that brings
in a few extra dollars and cents, and the real value is creating game
worlds from scratch, and letting people play in those worlds. That's no
Hi David,
Thanks so much for your informative e-mail. I'm glad there was someone
on here could answer not only my questions on this issue, but clears up
some things I may have said that were perhaps less true than the reality
of the situation.
Smile.
David Chittenden wrote:
Hello,
I spent
the street and get me a slice of pizza?
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- Original Message -
From: "David Chittenden"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hell
Hello,
Please note that the legal requirement is for a certain percentage of
people with disabilities, not for blind people specifically. That said,
the rehab agencies train specific work skills and then help the blind
person to find work which requires the skills.
David Chittenden, MS, CRC,
: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
So we have a responsibility not to make it worse.
-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Yohandy
Sent: Sunday, Novembe
an Strunk"
To: "'Gamers Discussion list'"
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
So we have a responsibility not to make it worse.
-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:g
So we have a responsibility not to make it worse.
-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Yohandy
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:18 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony
rs Discussion list"
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 4:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Nobody really. That's why I don't see this going anywhere. And if the
media gets hold of it, well there's every possibility as I said, that
it'll
Hi,
In fact it is possible to write to them in Japanese and all of them will
understand your message: just go to www.translaate.google.com .
Write the message, translate it, copy it to clipboard and paste it into an
email. Google's translations are the best in the industry so far.
Josh
send
eet and get me a slice of pizza?
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From: "shaun everiss"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 1:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
well its the only
well japan is one of the countries like carrier that actually has better tech
not sure about the us or uk but sertainly better than nz.
and yet they say they are lagging a bit.
Hmmm japan as one big corperation?
interesting thought, I get an image of japan being this mega office somewhere.
>Wow!
hmmm well we should have the tech for it.
pc wise we are already using directx, xna, sdl dotnet mono c++ flash,
shockwave, projecter and various others.
So its possible in tech terms we are quite up with the play.
There is no access gap in that reguard.
However we only worry about the sounds and d
well when I started on the game and got my varification sorted he said he was
unsure how a blind person would play.
It is clear that him and others are listening.
Because on the first day I posted to him all the stuff I found inaccessible
which was a large bundle.
It was sorted in the next upgrad
pizza?
>Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
>- Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward"
>To: "Gamers Discussion list"
>Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:05 AM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
>
>
>>Hi Brya
t and get me a slice of pizza?
>Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
>- Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward"
>To: "Gamers Discussion list"
>Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:50 AM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
>
&g
Wow! maybe we should all write to the Japanese government and get them to
slap figns on game developement companies?
while the institutional and home care business sounds pretty nasty, I'm
well impressed about what you say regarding the legal requirements on
business.
With the Uk having
Hello,
I spent a couple weeks in Japan during the World Science Fiction
Convention in 2007. After the convention finished, I spent a week
visiting universities near Tokyo to learn what their disability services
are like.
Most universities have their barrier free services. These departments
Hi Dark,
Well, that sort of thing happens often enough here too, but ever since
the Civil Rights movement of the 1960's the USA in general is more
consciously aware of a persons individual civil rights weather they be
of another race, gender, or if they have a disability. Plus sad to say
we ha
Hi Dark,
Yeah, like I said I didn't know if her view was shared by her countrymen
or not, but merely wanted to point out that there are mixed views about
accessibility, blindness, and how different people react to a person
with a disability. Someone from a different country or culture may hold
xplained that I was well used to this treatment.
But this is once again getting Ot so I'll stop.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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From: "Bryan Peterson"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey]
d you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
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- Original Message -
From: "dark"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
ame company board of directers suddenly becomeing blind.
al
- Original Message -
From: "dark"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
The brutal truth is Alan, there currently
instead of sitting here and
discussing this among ourselves, let's do something about it. Ed Boon's
twitter name: noobde
- Original Message -
From: "Bryan Peterson"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Audy
the street and get me a slice of pizza?
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- Original Message -
From: "Allan Thompson"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hi Tom,
"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hi,
Lol! That is a pretty cool idea. Somehow bring all of the enemy game
character's to life and let them take out their frustrations on th
Funny Tom, my university has an exchange going with the university ot tokio,
and I've never had any problems with the Japanese I've met, indeed I
got to become quite good friends with one girl at my light opera society.
Also, my mum, who is a physio for disabled children did a demonst
Hi,
Lol! That is a pretty cool idea. Somehow bring all of the enemy game
character's to life and let them take out their frustrations on their
creators. Anyone up for seeing Donkey Kong pounding a few developers for
letting Mario beat him too?
dark wrote:
Well, if it's a matter of sicking gam
Hi Dark,
Hahahaha! That would be seriously funny. Talk about getting media
attention. Blind man heads armed raid against world renown video game
company. I can see the head lines now.
Seriously though, a major part of the problem is that there are
different cultural views about blindness to con
07, 2009 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
I suppose your right. Money is too important to the compaines to bother
with us, and the governments don't have to worry about us as a voters
block...I guess all there really is is the kindness of strangers,
--- Original Message -
From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hi Dark,
Yeah, that is pretty much my experience as well. Nice or not all we are
doing is co
David Chittenden"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hello,
I do not believe creating accessible games from scratch would be
considered viable by any of the game developers.
Bli
.
al
- Original Message -
From: "dark"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
The brutal truth is Alan, there currently are simply not enough visually
impared gamers to
Hi Dark,
Yeah, that is pretty much my experience as well. Nice or not all we are
doing is contacting the low level peons who have no real power or
authority. Even if they sympathize with our cause they are not able to
refer us to a higher power, or are unable to do so. often it is just
company
this among ourselves, let's do
something about it. Ed Boon's twitter name: noobde
- Original Message -
From: "Bryan Peterson"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Onli
Hello,
I do not believe creating accessible games from scratch would be
considered viable by any of the game developers.
Blindness is a very low incidence group which only effects .6% of the
population of any technologically advanced country, and up to .8% of
non-technologically advanced cou
--- and possibly not even then.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
- Original Message -
From: "Allan Thompson"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hi Tom,
Do you think it would co
t: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hi Yohandy,
This is definitely an interesting development. Although, I think it is
probably going to be in vain. Too much rides on the fact the case is
based on a week legal standpoint to begin with, and to top that off the
general publ
Hi Tom,
Do you think it would cost more or less money for a game company like Sony
to make purely accessible games from scratch, then to make a regular title
for the sighted?
My thought is this, could a game company set up a dedicated department that
makes just accessible games that would prob
alash.
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From: "dark"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Well, if it's a matter of sicking game characters on them, my vote would
be to feed them to
a too, - afterall, who is it who
makes certain he always loses to Mario? ;D.
beware the grue!
Dark.
- Original Message -
From: "Bryan Peterson"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gam
ld you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message -
From: "dark"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Wel
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To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
See that I would think would be the place to start. Nintendo at least
seems open to the idea. If eno
ovember 07, 2009 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hi Bryan,
That's just it though. A small time developer hasn't a chance of competing
with a multi million dollar mainstream game company for a number of
reasons. For one reason the major game
nt: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
That's true tom regarding getting in touch with companies.
I actually spoke to a capcom rep on the phone, and he was less than
helpful.
When I phoned Nintendo Uk asking about access t
Hi Bryan,
That's just it though. A small time developer hasn't a chance of
competing with a multi million dollar mainstream game company for a
number of reasons. For one reason the major game platforms like the Play
Station is closed to everyone except a select few major players in the
game in
That's true tom regarding getting in touch with companies.
I actually spoke to a capcom rep on the phone, and he was less than helpful.
When I phoned Nintendo Uk asking about access to the wiimote menue system, I
got a much more useful person, who appreciated the problem and actually
tested va
ll.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message -
From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually i
Hi Bryan,
Perhaps, but I don't see any other way to bring the issue to a head.
Many of us, myself included, hope that Sony, Microsoft, Activision,
Capcom, Edos, Nintendo, you name it would create fully accessible video
games. That's not going to happen through talking to them, and national
age
you do not have to change
the game itself at all.
chrissy
-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:50 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer
ion list"
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hi Scott,
Indeed the case seams pretty weak. He and his lawyers are reaching with
their suit. So it will be very interesting to see how the judge, if it
goes t
Hi Scott,
Indeed the case seams pretty weak. He and his lawyers are reaching with
their suit. So it will be very interesting to see how the judge, if it
goes that far, will decide the legal ramifications of this case.
I too agree that media support would not be of much help. I've read the
comme
, November 07, 2009 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Hi Chrissy,
Weather it works or not I think the main point of this lawsuit should be
to make Sony and some of these major companies aware that accessible
mainstream video games are possible, and that we wo
Hi Chrissy,
Weather it works or not I think the main point of this lawsuit should be
to make Sony and some of these major companies aware that accessible
mainstream video games are possible, and that we would like them to take
us seriously as a group interested in purchasing their video games.
Hi Yohandy,
This is definitely an interesting development. Although, I think it is
probably going to be in vain. Too much rides on the fact the case is
based on a week legal standpoint to begin with, and to top that off the
general public is totally clueless about game accessibility as well.
B
n't agree with.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of
pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message -
From: "David Chittenden"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Audysse
e of pizza?
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- Original Message -
From: "shaun everiss"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
wow I never thought we would have the cas
d get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
- Original Message -
From: "ChB"
To: "'Gamers Discussion list'"
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
While I find the comment
ss the street and get me a slice of pizza?
> Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
> - Original Message -
> From: "David Chittenden"
> To: "Gamers Discussion list"
> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 6:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues
legal pressidant is set.
>
>Either way, interesting news.
>
>Beware the grue!
>
>Dark.
>- Original Message ----- From: "Yohandy"
>To: "Gamers Discussion list"
>Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:39 AM
>Subject: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer su
I do aggree that if you play video games blind or sighted unless you have a job
doing it then you are a sad fella.
I play games all the time but I'd never concider it a life long dream.
At 02:08 p.m. 7/11/2009, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>An even more interesting read is the comments which are posted af
ndy
>Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 6:40 PM
>To: Gamers Discussion list
>Subject: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
>
>Check out this article guys! Very interesting indeed. what do you guys think
>
>of this latest development?
>http://www.gamespot.com/news/6
ing
>Look forward to seeing how it ends up
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
>Behalf Of Yohandy
>Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 6:40 PM
>To: Gamers Discussion list
>Subject: [Audyssey] Visually i
amers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 3:59 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Now that I don't agree with.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the
That is quite insulting.
-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:59 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Now that I
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