Re: [MBZ] OT - Ammonia Refrigerant?
I was awakened from a dead sleep when the refrigeration system on a fish processing boat I was working on developed an ammonia leak. It was the chemical equivalent of a full-on slap in the face--brutal stuff. On 6/20/06, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One breath of concentrated ammonia vapor, as would be blown out of an AC system, will at the very least badly scar the lungs, and is very likely to kill you outright. This isn't household ammonia solution, it's anhydrous vapor. Very nasy, and a big problem for police rading meth labs. It will also cause severe chemical burns to exposed skin. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (215k) '84 300D (213k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] OT - Audi V12 Diesel Sports Racer just won the LeMans 24h !!
The most bizarre thing about this years LeMans race is the new rule dictating the drivers not spin their tires when leaving the pits! Even the announcers (who have a great many years of endurance racing experience) could not find any reasons for the new rule. Not rocket science. Ever notice the huge crowd of spectators/tech's/picture takers around the cars as they leave? You need a stable car to drive out in and avoid have to make excuses after for a tragic accident. I follow a LOT of drag racing. None would ever be allowed to be forward of the rear wheels of a car while it Launches. They can and do turn hard port/starboard in extreme cases of breakage Pete
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ammonia Refrigerant?
Someone who got killed using anhydrous ammonia in their cars A/C system would probably be eligible for one of the Darwin Awards: http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/index_darwin2005.html Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Ammonia Refrigerant? One breath of concentrated ammonia vapor, as would be blown out of an AC system, will at the very least badly scar the lungs, and is very likely to kill you outright. This isn't household ammonia solution, it's anhydrous vapor. Very nasy, and a big problem for police rading meth labs. It will also cause severe chemical burns to exposed skin. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 6/19/2006
[MBZ] Even the rich are dumb!
Here's a funny little tidbit...now why is it that we have a national distributor??? Why is it that we shouldn't buy directly from another country??? What a dumbass! I hope this guy gets nothing! http://edition.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/06/14/pricey_lemon/ Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD
Re: [MBZ] Replacing injection timing device
Ned: I have done this several times on my 603 engine, I believe it is similar if not identical. The vacuum pump drive flange on the IP timing device should be lumpy, but it should not be scored or rough in any way. I would say for an average DYI it is not that difficult. There is one special tool I would recommend, and that it the IP locking pin, available from the dealer. Not expensive. What was the symptom from the vacuum pump? I also have a write up when I did mine, let me know if you want it. -- SANTÉ Doug Quance Consciousness: That annoying time between naps. 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at.
Re: [MBZ] Even the rich are dumb!
So you say it is OK for a manufacturer to produce and sell a $1.7 million dollar piece of And furthermore they need not stand behind their product??? Who's the dumbass? Or is it jealousy that you don't have that kind of money that causes resentment for someone you don't even know? Free trade around the world should mean a warranty should be honored worldwide no matter how the car was acquired. Is that not what Mercedes service is all about? Mike - Original Message - From: Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:44 PM Subject: [MBZ] Even the rich are dumb! Here's a funny little tidbit...now why is it that we have a national distributor??? Why is it that we shouldn't buy directly from another country??? What a dumbass! I hope this guy gets nothing! http://edition.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/06/14/pricey_lemon/ Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 126 climate control
Hi all need to know if the compressor control unit next to the fuel relay controls just the compressor ?. As the dialled temp of 20 C approaches the centre vents air all gets diverted to the screen. Should it not go the side vents and then come back as the temp deviates? mak - Original Message - From: Stephen D Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 3:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] POST AC clutch problems About jumping ac clutch; please unplug ac spade lug connector before applying voltage to test clutch; i applied voltage to + side with engine running, climate control on it burned a trace off my climate control circuit board; after a lot of other checking; finally found a blown fuse, on a/c?? or OVERLOAD relay under pass. side of dash; pull lower panel look (or feel up at right side) for relay; pull relay out check fuse, mine was blown; on 85 300D; not sure if yours has this overload relay or not; hope this helps a bit???; Steve another thing; it is possible to hook climate control UPSIDE DOWN, plug in; this will blow out your TEMP. control module ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.4/363 - Release Date: 6/13/2006
[MBZ] REMOTE STARTER FOR 1983 300D
This idea sounds interesting; but; have gotten mixed responses from suppliers of remote starter devices; such as; Bulldog; won't work on mech. controled diesels only works on electronic injected diesels? in business 17 years can't be done $299 must have them install, no carry out $64.99; install yourself, but wiring diagram only goes back to 1990; after looking at wiring diagrams; the same color wires seem to work for most all years; for the cars wiring harness asked about delay in ign. mode was told it is adjustable; then when it times out it cranks engine, the $64.99 one is brand Commando ez 2500 looks like a few wires to connect to wiring harness; not a hard job to do i understand that other features won't work as M.B. has a vacuum system for operating doors, trunck, etc. ANY HELP or ADVICE IS APPRECIATED; THANKS, Steve
Re: [MBZ] 126 climate control
Does the air only ever come out the defrost vents (windshield or wind screen)? If so I would first check your vacuum lines and make sure they are correct under the hood. The vents are controlled using vacuum, thus most common problem is the black plastic Tee on driver's fender cracks and the climate control goes to defrost all the time. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of M.Afzaal Khan Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:37 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] 126 climate control Hi all need to know if the compressor control unit next to the fuel relay controls just the compressor ?. As the dialled temp of 20 C approaches the centre vents air all gets diverted to the screen. Should it not go the side vents and then come back as the temp deviates? mak - Original Message - From: Stephen D Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 3:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] POST AC clutch problems About jumping ac clutch; please unplug ac spade lug connector before applying voltage to test clutch; i applied voltage to + side with engine running, climate control on it burned a trace off my climate control circuit board; after a lot of other checking; finally found a blown fuse, on a/c?? or OVERLOAD relay under pass. side of dash; pull lower panel look (or feel up at right side) for relay; pull relay out check fuse, mine was blown; on 85 300D; not sure if yours has this overload relay or not; hope this helps a bit???; Steve another thing; it is possible to hook climate control UPSIDE DOWN, plug in; this will blow out your TEMP. control module ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.4/363 - Release Date: 6/13/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OkieQ, schedule of events
Will start cooking around 2 Saturday (24th) with the festivities lasting into the night Im sure. For those of you who want to go see the gun museum etc be sure to be hear much earlier than that, probably 11ish. Also before the food gets started, I believe Luther will he holding a demonstration on replacing the center support on the driveshaft of a 123. There will also be plenty of opportunities to score good deals on lots of used parts. Who knows, I may even thin the fleet a bit and somebody can negotiate a Kaleb sort of deal. If you are coming in Friday night, let me know, we will get together for dinner or something. If you still need directions, or info for overnight accomodations, let me know ASAP. If you are coming, and you are not on the list, I need to know that ASAP as well. Here is our rather small list of attendees for this year Kaleb Striplin Regina Striplin Lt Don John Robbins John Gregg Rick Knoble Mark Carlson Mitch Marmell Marshall Booth(maybe) B2(maybe) Luther Gulseth Dan Holden (Dr. Biodiesel) Hans Neureiter -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Help...I can't seem to post to the list
you are coming thru loud and clear. W. Lasher wrote: Ever since the address change I can’t seem to post to the list. Is anyone else having the problem?? I’m sending to every address that supports the list (as far as I know) :-) Walt Lasher Seattle W140 S350 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Help...I can't seem to post to the list
huh? George Gregory wrote: On 6/20/06 11:01 AM, W. Lasher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever since the address change I can’t seem to post to the list. Is anyone else having the problem?? I’m sending to every address that supports the list (as far as I know) :-) Me either, but I think its cause Klebbie doesn't like me anymore -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] air tanks
I will be sure to psi relief it at 110. The compressor was set to relief at 100, so I will not push it beyond that pressure. On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:43:56 -0500, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rumor has it that Luther wrote: Furnace? What is that? Down south here remember? We use heat pumps and resistance heat. I like the water heater idea and happen to know where there is a 100 gallon that I could probably secure for little to no s. PLEASE make sure you have at least one pressure relief valve!!! My father knew a fellow who died from a water-heater air tank explosion... -- Philip, wondering how to check an tank for pressure safety... -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (236 kmi) '82 300CD (160 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] REMOTE STARTER FOR 1983 300D
Stephen D Murrell wrote: This idea sounds interesting; but; have gotten mixed responses from suppliers of remote starter devices; such as; Bulldog; won't work on mech. controled diesels only works on electronic injected diesels? in business 17 years can't be done $299 must have them install, no carry out $64.99; install yourself, but wiring diagram only goes back to 1990; after looking at wiring diagrams; the same color wires seem to work for most all years; for the cars wiring harness asked about delay in ign. mode was told it is adjustable; then when it times out it cranks engine, the $64.99 one is brand Commando ez 2500 looks like a few wires to connect to wiring harness; not a hard job to do i understand that other features won't work as M.B. has a vacuum system for operating doors, trunck, etc. No good reason to have a remote starter. The car is supposed to be driven as soon as the oil pressure reaches the top of the gauge - never idled until warm. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] REMOTE STARTER FOR 1983 300D
rumor has it that Stephen wrote: This idea sounds interesting; but; have gotten mixed responses from suppliers of remote starter devices; such as; i understand that other features won't work as M.B. has a vacuum system for operating doors, trunck, etc. ANY HELP or ADVICE IS APPRECIATED; THANKS, Steve I don't see any reason why an electric valve on the door vacuum circuit couldn't be tied into the remote starter system. Likely a bit hard to homebrew would be the time delay for glowplugs. If that sort of delay is built in, it ought to be easy. -- Philip
Re: [MBZ] 126 climate control
M.Afzaal Khan wrote: Hi all need to know if the compressor control unit next to the fuel relay controls just the compressor ?. As the dialled temp of 20 C approaches the centre vents air all gets diverted to the screen. Should it not go the side vents and then come back as the temp deviates? mak PLEASE, what year and model 126 - they are NOT all the same Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] OkieQ, schedule of events
When do you want to show up? You coming friday night? I will email you offlist. Luther Gulseth wrote: What time do I need to be ready for this presentation? On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:58:04 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will start cooking around 2 Saturday (24th) with the festivities lasting into the night Im sure. For those of you who want to go see the gun museum etc be sure to be hear much earlier than that, probably 11ish. Also before the food gets started, I believe Luther will he holding a demonstration on replacing the center support on the driveshaft of a 123. There will also be plenty of opportunities to score good deals on lots of used parts. Who knows, I may even thin the fleet a bit and somebody can negotiate a Kaleb sort of deal. If you are coming in Friday night, let me know, we will get together for dinner or something. If you still need directions, or info for overnight accomodations, let me know ASAP. If you are coming, and you are not on the list, I need to know that ASAP as well. Here is our rather small list of attendees for this year Kaleb Striplin Regina Striplin Lt Don John Robbins John Gregg Rick Knoble Mark Carlson Mitch Marmell Marshall Booth(maybe) B2(maybe) Luther Gulseth Dan Holden (Dr. Biodiesel) Hans Neureiter -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Replacing injection timing device
07.1-8014 is a 3 page 189KB pdf file and 07.1-8050 is a 2 page 85KB file on the CD. w124CD1\Program\Engine\605_606\07.1-8014 or 07.1-8050 Thanks Marshall: This is embarassing. I previously looked in that directory several times and could not find those files. Then, you tell me they are there; I look, and they appear. How did you do that? Ned Kleinhenz
Re: [MBZ] Even the rich are dumb!
nyuk nyuk nyuk...suckah! On 6/20/06, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a funny little tidbit...now why is it that we have a national distributor??? Why is it that we shouldn't buy directly from another country??? What a dumbass! I hope this guy gets nothing! http://edition.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/06/14/pricey_lemon/ Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (215k) '84 300D (213k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] Non-Project 240D in Washington
The Albatross is headed for Vancouver WA, Ooh, so close I can almost smell it hahahahaha! The Albatross has been sold. A nice young woman in NE Portland with a bunch of biodiesel-head friends was interested in moving 'down' for financial reasons (trading in a newer Civic for the 240D, a bicycle, and enough cash to stake her in school) and really liked the idea of owning her first Benz, and her first diesel. She liked the interior room of the car, the more upright (and higher seating), and the fact that the car did not scrape in her steep driveway (unlike the Honda). She found the seats to be exceptionally comfortable. The 240D, though larger than the Civic, was not as ponderous as she had feared. The car will be mostly city driven, with an occasional highway road trip to visit family. (I told her to leave it in S except on the highway.) She has mechanically-minded friends and family, and an older car held no fears for her. Her man once drove his VW bus to Guatemala, so I think the car will be in good company! ORDOT gave her no trouble, the car is already plated. We delivered the car only yesterday. (She called when she had trouble starting, but before we could return her call she'd whipped out the owner's manual and followed the starting instructions therein. No problem starting then.) We got half a dozen calls (and unreceived e-mails) on the car once its new locations had been advertised. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:50:51 -0500 Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no reason not to put a manual transmission behind a 5 cyl turbo. Especially if your doing a major engine shuffle like that! There were discussions on the list back in 2001 - 2002 (when it was run by Richard Sexton) about the subject. The best guess why Mercedes didn't do it was that the load and rpm drop during a shift would cause the turbo to slow down, causing a drop in power until it spooled back up. There is also a possibility that the emissions were made worse by the combination. Craig
Re: [MBZ] **wiring harness on the W140 Diesel **
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:09:15 -0700 W. Lasher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can milk 30 MPG, but more realistic is 29 MPG on the road and between 22-25 in town. Plus the best and quietest ride in town :-) I can do maybe 25 in our '82 240D/3.0. Maybe I need to start looking at something newer. Craig
Re: [MBZ] Non-Project 240D in Washington
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:15:33 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Albatross has been sold. Congratulations! Craig
[MBZ] Bargain at half the price
http://www.ssangyongaustralia.com.au/chairman.html I know we have gone over this before but I don't remember it looking so much like a W210. My footy club is now sponsored by Ssang Yong and thet are offering us members AU$1000 off the list price of any one of their vehicles. Hendrik who will not be taking them up on their offer
Re: [MBZ] Non-Project 240D in Washington
Good deal you silver tongue devil. Harry - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Non-Project 240D in Washington The Albatross is headed for Vancouver WA, Ooh, so close I can almost smell it hahahahaha! The Albatross has been sold. A nice young woman in NE Portland with a bunch of biodiesel-head friends was interested in moving 'down' for financial reasons (trading in a newer Civic for the 240D, a bicycle, and enough cash to stake her in school) and really liked the idea of owning her first Benz, and her first diesel. She liked the interior room of the car, the more upright (and higher seating), and the fact that the car did not scrape in her steep driveway (unlike the Honda). She found the seats to be exceptionally comfortable. The 240D, though larger than the Civic, was not as ponderous as she had feared. The car will be mostly city driven, with an occasional highway road trip to visit family. (I told her to leave it in S except on the highway.) She has mechanically-minded friends and family, and an older car held no fears for her. Her man once drove his VW bus to Guatemala, so I think the car will be in good company! ORDOT gave her no trouble, the car is already plated. We delivered the car only yesterday. (She called when she had trouble starting, but before we could return her call she'd whipped out the owner's manual and followed the starting instructions therein. No problem starting then.) We got half a dozen calls (and unreceived e-mails) on the car once its new locations had been advertised. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] sssssssangyong
After wading through this website http://www.ssangyongaustralia.com.au/chairman.html, all I can say is, tootle your horn melodiously and motor gently in the greasemud. RLE
Re: [MBZ] 126 climate control
Hi .the model is a 1990 300SE. The airflow does comes out of the centre vents , then as the dialled in temp approaches, currently at 20C, the airflow diverts completely to the windscreen. The air flow comes back to centre vents if the temp is reduced further say 18'C mak PLEASE, what year and model 126 - they are NOT all the same Marshall
Re: [MBZ] 126 climate control
Hi I have checked the vacuum lines and the tee connectors, all ok. Does the air only ever come out the defrost vents (windshield or wind screen)? If so I would first check your vacuum lines and make sure they are correct under the hood. The vents are controlled using vacuum, thus most common problem is the black plastic Tee on driver's fender cracks and the climate control goes to defrost all the time. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of M.Afzaal Khan Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:37 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] 126 climate control Hi all need to know if the compressor control unit next to the fuel relay controls just the compressor ?. As the dialled temp of 20 C approaches the centre vents air all gets diverted to the screen. Should it not go the side vents and then come back as the temp deviates? mak - Original Message - From: Stephen D Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 3:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] POST AC clutch problems About jumping ac clutch; please unplug ac spade lug connector before applying voltage to test clutch; i applied voltage to + side with engine running, climate control on it burned a trace off my climate control circuit board; after a lot of other checking; finally found a blown fuse, on a/c?? or OVERLOAD relay under pass. side of dash; pull lower panel look (or feel up at right side) for relay; pull relay out check fuse, mine was blown; on 85 300D; not sure if yours has this overload relay or not; hope this helps a bit???; Steve another thing; it is possible to hook climate control UPSIDE DOWN, plug in; this will blow out your TEMP. control module ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.4/363 - Release Date: 6/13/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 6/20/2006
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ammonia Refrigerant?
likely to kill you outright. This isn't household ammonia solution, it's anhydrous vapor. Very nasty... My father-in-law has largely monocular vision due to an NH3 incident some years ago. It's corrosive and poisonous, and has no place in a mobile environment. It eats copper, and is used with a 100% steel plumbing system, I doubt any modern aluminum evaporator or condensor could be used. I don't know if there are any flexible hoses that can take it. I'm not sure which (if any) lubricants are compatible with it, so you'd need a York-style compressor not one of the modern radial/axial types. I suppose with a frame-mounted ancient compressor and a sufficiently flexible belt-drive system, and custom all-steel lines, fittings, and finned devices you could do it. But then I'd be worried about metal fatigue. The amount of NH3 in the RV absorbtion refrigerator is actually pretty small. They are also stunningly ineffective (though I can't speak for the efficiency) in that the heat-transfer capacity is very small. They can take hours to cool down to operating temperature. That cycle is useless for comfort uses, you'd need the heat pump type of cycle, and that takes a lot more working fluid. Old (pre-war) refrigeration books make interesting reading. The advent of Freon (et al.) totally killed the market for ammonia, hydrogen sulfide, and carbon tet consumer goods! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] air tanks
I'm trying to build an air compressor out of an inherited air compressor from my grandfather. He just used an R22 tank, but that's not nearly enough for running air tools. A bank of obsolete propane tanks? Tankage only helps on intermittent air tools like an impact wrench. Just about everything else tool-like needs serious continuous air, which has nothing to do with the tank and everything to do with actual compressor capacity. I'd never use a used water tank, you don't know how much internal corrosion there is. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Who needs them and why?
What do you guys need these huge expensive trucks for? Ours hauls our camper around, and/or the car trailer. Also anything heavy (such as a 2600# generator) that I acquire any distance away. (Heinously ratty local stuff I use the rusted-out Chevy pickup for.) Rarely used for just driving around, we have much more efficient vehicles around for that. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Rear Speakers...the saga continues...
NOWanybody know where the factory speaker wires come in to the dash? They seem to run along the driver's side roofline, but I don't know where they make the turn into the dash. They (from the rear) go to the console-mounted fader, and thence up the console to the front. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 240D running a little hot
2. I noticed this evening that some of the fins on the radiator are sort of buggered-up and clumped together. Rock striket, etc. Should I try to straighten these out (gently and carefully) for better airflow? I did note that there are not too many insects jammed in between the fins. I do this as part of the general cleanup a car gets. Also combined with a good wash to open up the air passages through the fins. I have a Harbor Freight radiator rake, and a pair of hemostats that I use. Gently. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?
with 175k but I woulnt think so. At this same lot, they have a 05 F250 Powerstroke , crew cab, for $18,900. Thats DIRT CHEAP. Only problem is that its got 150K miles on it. Thats ALOT of miles for a 1 year old truck. Anybody know anything about these newer powerstrokes? Early 6.0's are just filled with lemony goodness. I believe they are still prone to coolant system erosion if not properly taken care of. Ford does make a nice truck, but they seem to have some serious engine design problems. (I'm told with the Ford component of the design mix, not the Navistar parts.) And they stonewall, so you have to keep your ear to the ground. As far as engines go, I've never heard of the Chevy engines being particularly problem-prone, nor the Dodge. Ford has had a disproportionate share of engine flaws. However, the 24V Cummins is extremely prone to IP damage if the fuel pump and/or filter fails. $2-3k when that happens, and of the four people I know personally who own them, all four are on their second injection pump. Put a fuel pressure gauge on these, and treat it like an oil pressure gauge. My 12V is not prone to this problem, nor (I believe) is the latest common-rail engine. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?
What kind of mileage will the cummins turn in? Unloaded and with the taller gears, 20+. I can get 25-26 out of mine unloaded, on stock tires at about 58 MPH. My dad's 04 beats 20 if he keeps the speed down a bit. My worst was 9, camper on, wife driving, floored into a headwind. (Rear tire wear was also significant on that trip.) Usually get 13-14 with the camper. What years to watch out for, which are best? Pre-96 have rotary fuel pump, less durable. 96-98.5 have inline pump, very durable. 98.5+ have rotary pump, very sensitive to low fuel pressure, are destroyed by it. 03+ are common-rail, dunno much about them. HP increased stepwise year by year. What about the tranny? Have they got that problem fixed yet? I believe so, new trucks are pretty durable. Tranny (either) is the weak sister of the drive train, up to fairly recently. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?
There were a few years in there where a killer dowel pin can come off inside the timing cover and obliterate the engine. It could be fixed by welding a tab over the pin or possibly removing it. I'm not sure if this applies to the 24V engines from 1998.5 to 2002 or the latest generation common rail injection engines. The KDP cracks the timing case, no obliteration. Engine generally continues to run unaffected, but leaks oil badly. Spendy to fix, a lot of labor involved. I think the common-rail engines are immune, but everything prior is somewhat at risk. (Think cracked 603 head.) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?
Well, I'd say run, don't walk from the 2003 6.0, it took them a while to sort it out. The 7.3 never did get sorted out, the cause of cackle and knock was the way Ford dead-ended the fuel rails without any way for air to return to the tank, it stayed in the rails until it went through an injector. The Navistar 444 had a pressure accumulator on the fuel rail, and excess fuel went through the rails in the heads and back to the tank. I thought the real problem was 'water hammer' due to the opening and closing of the injectors from a solid metal fuel chamber. Standing pressure waves and all that crap, no place for it to go. #7 and #8 fire adjacently from the same bank, the waves from #7 had not dampened by the time #8 had to fire. For awhile Ford played with a special #8 injector. Really poor design IMHO. Ford's better idea I guess, and not Navistar's fault. The 6.0 was plagued by fuel injectors that leaked fuel down into the crankcase. Lots of fuel, resulting in oil dilution and engine damage. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Non-Project 240D in Washington
Congrats, Jim! I'm still workin' with my 300CD. It has new tires on it now, and it's running better. It sure does puff blue smoke at times (I think that there's a weak hole too). As far as power goes, its probably a 270CD. I'm gonna keep on floggin' it hard and hope that it comes around. I've got nothin' to lose since I've only got $800 in it including the tires, tags and title transfer. I do need to replace the right front wheel bearing (any gotchas involved in that job)? I thought that the hum was coming from the rear of the car, but with the floormats out, I can REALLY feel the vibration beneath my feet while sitting in the passenger's seat. I've done older American cars with drum brakes (a corvair car and a Greenbrier van), but never a disk brake equipped car which shouldn't make much difference other than removing the caliper. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela
[MBZ] Post testing
Post testing
Re: [MBZ] 126 climate control
The airflow does comes out of the centre vents , then as the dialled in temp approaches, currently at 20C, the airflow diverts completely to the windscreen. The air flow comes back to centre vents if the temp is reduced further say 18'C My guess is that one of the pods has a vacuum leak, and when the ACC goes to actuate it the vacuum leaks away and the system defaults to the defrost vent pattern. Maybe the footwell pod? Use a MityVac on the lines coming out of the electric vacuum manifold behind the ACC panel. (Or is it behind the glove box?) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Non-Project 240D in Washington
270CD. I'm gonna keep on floggin' it hard and hope that it comes around. And why wouldn't it? The 240D did! tags and title transfer. I do need to replace the right front wheel bearing (any gotchas involved in that job)? Naw, it's pretty easy as these things go. It was trivial on the 240D 'cause I just swapped hubs with the parts car. but never a disk brake equipped car which shouldn't make much difference other than removing the caliper. It's even easier than drum brakes because you don't need to back off the adjuster. Caliper's just two bolts. Once the hub is off you just pound out the old race, wipe out the lube, use the old race to drive in the new one, regrease and reassemble. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Non-Project 240D in Washington
Of interest to me was the VIN, which I'd never examined before: 123.123-12-123356. Only 100 off from a very interesting number. Perhaps even more amusing would have been a serial number of 123123. Had it been either of these maybe I could have gotten extra money out of an eBay sale? -- Jim
[MBZ] Mercedes Parts pricing and availability
The previous MB German website had a facility where one can lookup up a part no and it would spew out the Euro price and availabilty. They have now updated the site to now exclude newer parts - it seems from about 1980 onwards. Has anyone come across a site which includes all parts? Peter
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?
but they seem to have some serious engine design problems. (I'm told with the Ford component of the design mix, not the Navistar parts.) And they stonewall, so you have to keep your ear to the ground. Since I've been intending on replacing my manny tranny truck with an auto-equipped one, I BRIEFLY thought about going with the Ford 6.0 PSD/torqueshift auto crewcab to replace my '03 Dodge Cummins 6spd Quadcab. Those in my family that drive it either prefer to drive automatics or, in the case of my sister-in-law, can't use the clutch pedal due to a bad knee. I ended up going with another common rail Cummins in a 2006 model. I know it'll get about 20MPG highway where the manny tranny truck got 23MPG. It's a fine engine. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?
The KDP cracks the timing case, no obliteration. Engine generally continues to run unaffected, but leaks oil badly. Spendy to fix, a lot of labor involved. I knew that it obliterated something, much of one's budget! Of course, anytime a vehicle is in the shop at $85-100/Hr, things add up in a hurry! Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela
Re: [MBZ] Non-Project 240D in Washington
pound out the old race, wipe out the lube, use the old race to drive in the new one, regrease and reassemble. Sounds pretty straight forward. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela
Re: [MBZ] Post testing
you failed On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:46:02 -0500, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Post testing -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (236 kmi) '82 300CD (160 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] REMOTE STARTER FOR 1983 300D
I agree with Marshall and I'm not all for the remote starters. My wife wants one for her Subaru, but I'm just not keen on letting vehicles sit out there burning fuel so that you can be warmer for the first couple minutes. That said... I don't see any reason it couldn't be done. Now, the professional installers may not want to do it (probably for similar reasons they don't want to touch manual trannies) because of some liability reasons. But the simple fact is that If you get the glow plugs to come on, then the starter to crank, the engine will start. Both of those are just a matter of relays in the right places. Your hard part is likely to be finding the remote starter system that works best how you want it, and/or modifying it to handle the glow plug timing. Levi On 6/20/06, Stephen D Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This idea sounds interesting; but; have gotten mixed responses from suppliers of remote starter devices; such as; Bulldog; won't work on mech. controled diesels only works on electronic injected diesels? in business 17 years can't be done $299 must have them install, no carry out $64.99; install yourself, but wiring diagram only goes back to 1990; after looking at wiring diagrams; the same color wires seem to work for most all years; for the cars wiring harness asked about delay in ign. mode was told it is adjustable; then when it times out it cranks engine, the $64.99 one is brand Commando ez 2500 looks like a few wires to connect to wiring harness; not a hard job to do i understand that other features won't work as M.B. has a vacuum system for operating doors, trunck, etc. ANY HELP or ADVICE IS APPRECIATED; THANKS, Steve ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37
SoIf I pick up the 240D 4spd and a 300D say around 85(I know where one is.) there is a way to combine the two? I assume the bolt pattern for the bellhousing is the same between the two engines? Flywheel from the 240 will go on the 5cyl.? No balancing issues? I heard that each flywheel is balanced to it's engine is this true? Thanks, Mike - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who../BT4 in M37 On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:50:51 -0500 Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no reason not to put a manual transmission behind a 5 cyl turbo. Especially if your doing a major engine shuffle like that! There were discussions on the list back in 2001 - 2002 (when it was run by Richard Sexton) about the subject. The best guess why Mercedes didn't do it was that the load and rpm drop during a shift would cause the turbo to slow down, causing a drop in power until it spooled back up. There is also a possibility that the emissions were made worse by the combination. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Even the rich are dumb!
Ok then did MB give him the option of returning it to them for repairs or did they just tell him to blow off? It is also not illegal for a collector to own that car in the US just may not be operated upon the highways. Mike - Original Message - From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Even the rich are dumb! Mike Canfield wrote: So you say it is OK for a manufacturer to produce and sell a $1.7 million dollar piece of And furthermore they need not stand behind their product??? He imported a car that not only wasn't sold in the U.S., it wasn't even legal here. Now he's finding out how it works when you buy something on the gray market. If it breaks, you get to keep both pieces; the manufacturer has no obligations. It's not unlike if you buy a Ford and drive it into Mexico. If it breaks down, they're not going to send someone down there to fix it for you. If you want warranty service you'll have to drag it back into the U.S., first. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] short in aux fan
Just wanted to say thanks to all who responded to this question about my shorting aux fan. To answer Marshalls question, it does turn very freely. I will update this thread as I make more headway on the problem. Dan Elliott 82 300D-T 97kmi Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.
Re: [MBZ] sssssssangyong
Someone I think they call Roger may have said: After wading through this website http://www.ssangyongaustralia.com.au/chairman.html, all I can say is, tootle your horn melodiously and motor gently in the greasemud. Lost me.? Sometimes that is easy to do thoughWhat in the world do you mean by that? Mike
Re: [MBZ] sssssssangyong
And where have I heard that line before? Mike - Original Message - From: Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] sssangyong Someone I think they call Roger may have said: After wading through this website http://www.ssangyongaustralia.com.au/chairman.html, all I can say is, tootle your horn melodiously and motor gently in the greasemud. Lost me.? Sometimes that is easy to do thoughWhat in the world do you mean by that? Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] REMOTE STARTER FOR 1983 300D
I'm with you Marshall, as far as I'm concerned they're absolutely unneeded in any instance. Theres a woman here at work who starts her car as soon as she leaves the building. I mean she's 10 steps away, why bother? Then theres the couple in my apartment building that start the car at least (AT LEAST) half an hour before they go anywhere winter and summer. God forbid its not exactly 70 degrees when they get in the car. They're generally good people so I explained once about the gas they were wasting, I'd calculated at the time that they were throwing at $0.20 a minute just in gas, never mind the wear and tear on the engine. I also suggested they get more frequent oil changes since the mileage was not an accurate reflection of the amount the engine ran but they still don't get it. Funny how their car seems to be in the shop every month... -Curt Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:19:33 -0400 From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] REMOTE STARTER FOR 1983 300D To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed No good reason to have a remote starter. The car is supposed to be driven as soon as the oil pressure reaches the top of the gauge - never idled until warm. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jun 21 13:47:23 2006 Received: from web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.45]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ft33C-00055E-9J for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:47:23 + Received: (qmail 74679 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jun 2006 13:47:14 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UFt5cg3tgVk0VEPuvWB7nyFXVlAjVcfHc0VKI0WETebPt8ufVsDboceMZWOGTkuOk9dGN3jKx2mIWjX2nea20tFRQDajTyKPnsl/1Faj6v/sNYPkk+D40osIcTsLryVtmHZul+Sx95curVNBzhQp/eHIlwA63BbF84jzWdU9FMQ= ; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:47:14 PDT Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:47:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Non-Project 240D in Washington X-BeenThere: Mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:47:23 - WOO HOO! Thats good news. Whats next on the project list? I await the 190D entries with anticipation. -Curt Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:15:33 -0700 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Non-Project 240D in Washington To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed The Albatross has been sold. -- Jim - Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jun 21 13:50:41 2006 Received: from web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.33]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ft36O-0005RS-I1 for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:50:40 + Received: (qmail 70307 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jun 2006 13:50:33 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fBtxrPZWp5XxXGucTKSBCIIeInXsvPLQ6EJ817uDr28PaL/i0uHCdecbd4OvPI31yGqL5aw9n0XGJqwy0dQ23m3ga1KviQG7C56atU2cQ4ykTKesS9qdQVuMsZ/SthniP9krU5OTH5zMgmxCPUdVuXRf1Wt11unpesSrO0Qk2T0= ; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:50:33 PDT Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:50:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
Re: [MBZ] Non-Project 240D in Washington
WOO HOO! Thats good news. Whats next on the project list? I await the 190D entries with anticipation. Then you're in luck. The 190D is the next car up. (Though sales-related efforts on the 450 SL may interfere at times.) The years (2!) have not been kind to the 190D, the rust issues are noticeably worse. OTOH, now it moves around. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] REMOTE STARTER FOR 1983 300D
In a message dated 6/21/2006 3:21:16 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That said... I don't see any reason it couldn't be done. Now, the professional installers may not want to do it (probably for similar reasons they don't want to touch manual trannies) because of some liability reasons. But the simple fact is that If you get the glow plugs to come on, then the starter to crank, the engine will start. Both of those are just a matter of relays in the right places. Your hard part is likely to be finding the remote starter system that works best how you want it, and/or modifying it to handle the glow plug timing. Levi, and all, Don;t forget an electric vacuum valve to release any engine shut off vacuum signal, so the engine can start. The same vacuum valve can shut the engine off by adding the appropriate relays, in case of theft, time out, etc. A diesel uses so little fuel when idling, that carbon build up, on the occasions that remote start is used, should be minimal. Here, in Phoenix, a little cool down when you come out of the mall, theatre, etc. would be welcome. I have installed remote starts on both my kids cars, as birthday presents, and they use the feature a lot. My son has 3 little ones, and loading a hot truck is a sweaty proposition at any time! Both gas cars though! Me, I think I will just tough it out, though I do admit to pre cooling the car of choice, if the wife is coming along. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 142 K miles
Re: [MBZ] Bargain at half the price
Hendrik, What's a footy club??? Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Jun 20, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Hendrik Riessen wrote: http://www.ssangyongaustralia.com.au/chairman.html I know we have gone over this before but I don't remember it looking so much like a W210. My footy club is now sponsored by Ssang Yong and thet are offering us members AU$1000 off the list price of any one of their vehicles. Hendrik who will not be taking them up on their offer ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Non-Project 240D in Washington
Great news Jim! Sometimes a change of location is all it takes I guess.. ...Kevin 87 300TD 284k mi 79 240D 156k mi Jim Cathey said: The Albatross is headed for Vancouver WA, Ooh, so close I can almost smell it hahahahaha! The Albatross has been sold. A nice young woman in NE Portland with a bunch of biodiesel-head friends was interested in moving 'down' for financial reasons (trading in a newer Civic for the 240D, a bicycle, and enough cash to stake her in school) and really liked the idea of owning her first Benz, and her first diesel. She liked the interior room of the car, the more upright (and higher seating), and the fact that the car did not scrape in her steep driveway (unlike the Honda). She found the seats to be exceptionally comfortable. The 240D, though larger than the Civic, was not as ponderous as she had feared. The car will be mostly city driven, with an occasional highway road trip to visit family. (I told her to leave it in S except on the highway.) She has mechanically-minded friends and family, and an older car held no fears for her. Her man once drove his VW bus to Guatemala, so I think the car will be in good company! ORDOT gave her no trouble, the car is already plated. We delivered the car only yesterday. (She called when she had trouble starting, but before we could return her call she'd whipped out the owner's manual and followed the starting instructions therein. No problem starting then.) We got half a dozen calls (and unreceived e-mails) on the car once its new locations had been advertised. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] Bargain at half the price
Hey Chuck... You still have your truck for sale? Remind me of the details if you still have it...I may have a buyer. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 155K '01 VW Beetle TDI waiting on '72 350SL 78K Litchfield Park, AZ - Original Message - From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bargain at half the price Hendrik, What's a footy club??? Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Jun 20, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Hendrik Riessen wrote: http://www.ssangyongaustralia.com.au/chairman.html I know we have gone over this before but I don't remember it looking so much like a W210. My footy club is now sponsored by Ssang Yong and thet are offering us members AU$1000 off the list price of any one of their vehicles. Hendrik who will not be taking them up on their offer ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Non-Project 240D in Washington
When I read our 240D's VIN to the insurance person over the phone it gave them pause: 123.123-12-121284 ...Kevin Jim Cathey said: Of interest to me was the VIN, which I'd never examined before: 123.123-12-123356. Only 100 off from a very interesting number. Perhaps even more amusing would have been a serial number of 123123. Had it been either of these maybe I could have gotten extra money out of an eBay sale? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] Injection pump timing OM616
on 6/21/06 10:19 AM, LarryT at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you say it's eating fuel I assume you mean it's getting poor fuel mileage? It's been my experience on my '78 240D is it gets 24-26mpg - and this is with a perfect engine. The engine was rebuilt 30k miles ago and everything was rebuilt or replaced except the injection pump which seems to work perfectly. When I say eating, I mean that for how the fuel gauge drops, I should be smelling a massive leak somewhere, but no such luck. What I mean is using nearly quarter of a tank of fuel for 3-4 hours idling time. Actually it probably uses more at idle (when it still has the miss) than on the road. -- Mac Steve MacSween Aylmer, Quebec (Canada) Mercedes: '82 300sd / '82 240d (x2) / '60 220s Volvo: '87 245 (waiting for OM616 transplant) SAAB: '83 900T (waiting for a miracle)
Re: [MBZ] OT - 'Audi V12 Diesel Sports Racer just won the LeMans 24h !!'
Completely different situation. Most road racing transmissions don't allow for easy engagement like a passenger car, the pretty much lockup solid once the clutch is released. Not spinning the tires is begging to stall in the pit lane in Formula 1. I'm guessing the ALMS (or Le Mans proper) cars are pretty much the same. ...Kevin Peter T. Arnold said: The most bizarre thing about this years LeMans race is the new rule dictating the drivers not spin their tires when leaving the pits! Even the announcers (who have a great many years of endurance racing experience) could not find any reasons for the new rule. Not rocket science. Ever notice the huge crowd of spectators/tech's/picture takers around the cars as they leave? You need a stable car to drive out in and avoid have to make excuses after for a tragic accident. I follow a LOT of drag racing. None would ever be allowed to be forward of the rear wheels of a car while it Launches. They can and do turn hard port/starboard in extreme cases of breakage Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] Injection pump timing OM616
on 6/20/06 4:05 PM, Marshall Booth at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4. Is it possible for IP timing to test out okay at rest, in a static (drip) test, but be off under running conditions? Only if the timer is bad. If it's bad, it needs to be REPLACED. Do you have a reference for that procedure (I'd like to see more about the timer)? I believe you're on the wrong track. The noise you are hearing is combustion noise - that results when the combustion wave isn't smooth. The opinion on it being timing-related did not come from solely from me, it is also from two mechanics with extensive diesel background, who I had listen to it. This can be caused by poor injection pressure (either the delivery valve seals or the condition of the injectors can be responsible for this), poor spray pattern, or poor conditions inside the prechamber (debris inside or the prechamber is cracked). The injection pressure was supposedly checked at the shop. The injectors were just cleaned and tested, and I already tested a different one in the 'problem' cylinder just in case the rebuilder goofed on one. IF it were debris, I would expect to not only hear it as a transient noise on the application of load, which is all it is. It is not present otherwise. It isn't at all a metallic or mechanical noise, it's more like a SNAP. TKS Mac
Re: [MBZ] Even the rich are dumb!
From the article ..it's a $2 million piece of scrap metal... I'll bet Kleb would give them $100 for it. ...Kevin Mike Canfield said: Ok then did MB give him the option of returning it to them for repairs or did they just tell him to blow off? It is also not illegal for a collector to own that car in the US just may not be operated upon the highways. Mike - Original Message - From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Even the rich are dumb! Mike Canfield wrote: So you say it is OK for a manufacturer to produce and sell a $1.7 million dollar piece of And furthermore they need not stand behind their product??? He imported a car that not only wasn't sold in the U.S., it wasn't even legal here. Now he's finding out how it works when you buy something on the gray market. If it breaks, you get to keep both pieces; the manufacturer has no obligations. It's not unlike if you buy a Ford and drive it into Mexico. If it breaks down, they're not going to send someone down there to fix it for you. If you want warranty service you'll have to drag it back into the U.S., first. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] 240D rescued..
The drive was fine. Although since I feel like I drove both cars home (the Trailblazer with our popup trailer in tow and the 240D that I was watching in the rear view mirrors the whole way home). It's starting pretty well but it's summer time. When fall rolls around we'll get the parallel plugs / wiring in place and make sure the valves are adjusted properly. The rubber seal around the rear windshield is really old and hard and it looks like someone tried to put some silicone over it to seal it. I found some water in the left rear seat footwell last evening after some heavy rain so I have leaking from somewhere. What are the common water infiltration modes on a W123? ...Kevin 87 300TD 284k mi 79 240D 156k mi LarryT said: Hi Kevin, Glad to hear you decided to buy it -- hate to see such a car waste away to nothing - How was the drive from Va to Pa? uneventful I hope - Sounds like the problems are not going to be too expensive to overcome - have you done a compression test yet? Hopefully the compression test will show good numbers - I know Gary had the head done (and spent ~$1500) in an attempt to get it to start better when cold - I told him back then it needed Fast Glow Plugs and ordered the kit for him from Rusty. Don't know why the full kit wasn't installed - but Gary said it started great after he installed the kit - perhaps something happened later and the big wires were put back on -- maybe we'll solve this mystery as you dig into it. I highly recommend a Fast Glow Kit since there's not one in place presently. Good luck - and let me know how that drive went! ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Kevin J. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: [MBZ] 240D rescued.. Hey dieselers, Just wanted to provide a quick trip report from my 'mastadon hunting' adventure over the weekend. My 16 y/o son and I went down to Richmond to retrieve a 1979 240D that had been sitting for the better part of a year since it was last started. Although the car had been well taken care of earlier in life, it had fallen into that state where the crusher was the likely next step. A couple of weeks back we went down and got it started and drove it around briefly to make sure we weren't buying a clapped out expense pit. (Maybe we still have, only time will tell.) It took a new battery and lots of goading but we got it started spewing a huge cloud of unburnt diesel smoke to the applause of the assembled neighbors and the seller. We left $40 deposit and pulled our new battery and headed home to decide whether to pull the trigger or not. This past Friday we dropped in paid for it - the balance of $500; used a few washers to fix the right wiper arm; replaced the battery with our new one; put a tiger muffler wrap on the rusted out part of the exhaust downpipe (the rest of the exhaust is 1 year old); cleaned out the trunk and dropped in the spare we took down; found the original spare in a pile of weeds and threw that in; replaced most of the right side bulbs; headed to the Va DMV to get a $5 trip permit to take her home semi-legally (with no plates); put a can of diesel purge in the tank; filled her with fresh diesel; took her to the wand-car wash and hosed and scrubbed off 1 years+ worth of dirt and debris; and finally drove her north to Mars, Pa. A veritable 'walk-in-the-park' to quote Johnny B. There are issues: 1) Ignition tumbler is somewhat dicey at times, requiring the key to be pulled out just a bit to get it to turn. 2) Driver's side rear door is locked (?) shut as previously mentioned and can't be opened. 3) Starter didn't engage a few times. I don't think it's the neutral safety switch and may be related to item 1) 4) The front suspension seems to have negative camber. (I noticed this while following the car up a hill or two on the way home.) I don't know if this is right or worn rubber or something else. 5) The speedometer, odometer and trip odometer are inoperable. I think they did work on the initial visit. I have a 300D cluster I could swap in. Is it possible to substitute and is everything in a 240D for a working tach? The car has about 15x,000 miles. The transmissions shifts well with no hesitation. All in all, even SWMBO, agrees it's a good fit for our first 16 y/o driver. (My wife almost admitted to liking it.) I can shoot and post pictures if anyone is interested. Thanks to Larry for putting us onto this car - Larry you can let Gary know the car will be put back in proper running order. Thanks also to Marshall for the tip on the Va. trip permit. ...Kevin 87 300TD 284k mi 79 240D 156k mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injection pump timing OM616
In a message dated 6/21/2006 8:24:01 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When you say it's eating fuel I assume you mean it's getting poor fuel mileage? It's been my experience on my '78 240D is it gets 24-26mpg - and this is with a perfect engine. The engine was rebuilt 30k miles ago and everything was rebuilt or replaced except the injection pump which seems to work perfectly. When I say eating, I mean that for how the fuel gauge drops, I should be smelling a massive leak somewhere, but no such luck. What I mean is using nearly quarter of a tank of fuel for 3-4 hours idling time. Actually it probably uses more at idle (when it still has the miss) than on the road. Mac, I wouldn't put too much stock in the PO's comment that the IP timing is dead on. He may have overlooked a step, or his interpretation of the beginning of stroke was flawed. Do it yourself. Didn't you adjust your valves yourself? Also, check timing chain stretch. The 616 requires manual oil additions to the injection pump. A low oil level could be causing problems with the governor and rack. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 142 K miles
Re: [MBZ] 240D rescued..
What are the common water infiltration modes on a W123? There? Front and rear windshield seals. Hole rusted in firewall under the battery. -- Jim
[MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com
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Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com
Rusty is feeling kinda lonely, so he's giving away parts again to get you to call us. That silly Rusty! Wow is that chart (?) hard to read! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com
umm...the way that email displays your table is really silly, but I'm sure they're amazing deals On 6/21/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rusty is feeling kinda lonely, so he's giving away parts again to get you to call us. That silly Rusty! [truncated three feet of email gibberish] Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (215k) '84 300D (213k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] Injection pump timing OM616
on 6/21/06 11:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't put too much stock in the PO's comment that the IP timing is dead on. He may have overlooked a step, or his interpretation of the beginning of stroke was flawed. Do it yourself. Didn't you adjust your valves yourself? Also, check timing chain stretch. The 616 requires manual oil additions to the injection pump. A low oil level could be causing problems with the governor and rack. Jim, it was a local independent I have good experience with, who checked the pump timing and delivery. For adding oil to the pump, possibly you are thinking of the OM616s in w115s? I don't think this pump has any provision for adding oil, it's much the same as my SD pump, but with four pots and no ALDA. TKS mac
Re: [MBZ] Injection pump timing OM616
On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 11:22:54AM -0400, Steve MacSween wrote: What I mean is using nearly quarter of a tank of fuel for 3-4 hours idling time. Actually it probably uses more at idle (when it still has the miss) than on the road. If it uses massively more at idle than when on the throttle, I'd be looking at the return lines and junctions very closely. That, or check your oil level. The first seems more likely. K
Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com
on 6/21/06 12:26 PM, Jim Cathey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rusty is feeling kinda lonely, so he's giving away parts again to get you to call us. That silly Rusty! Wow is that chart (?) hard to read! Methinks Hursty has used HTML to build an e-mail chart. Bad Hursty, bad! Mac
Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com
100% correct, ya'll can always call to get prices, they are VERY good. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve MacSween Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 12:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com on 6/21/06 12:26 PM, Jim Cathey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rusty is feeling kinda lonely, so he's giving away parts again to get you to call us. That silly Rusty! Wow is that chart (?) hard to read! Methinks Hursty has used HTML to build an e-mail chart. Bad Hursty, bad! Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com
On 6/21/06 11:27 AM, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: umm...the way that email displays your table is really silly, but I'm sure they're amazing deals Interestingly, it worked well on Todd's Yahoo list. -- +-- GG 1997 SL500 (104k) http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm http://homepage.mac.com/deneals +--
Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com
that is exactly what i did. this doesn't work, huh? better ideas? On 6/21/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/21/06 12:26 PM, Jim Cathey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rusty is feeling kinda lonely, so he's giving away parts again to get you to call us. That silly Rusty! Wow is that chart (?) hard to read! Methinks Hursty has used HTML to build an e-mail chart. Bad Hursty, bad! Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com
Car model part-$00.00 part-$00.00 part-$00.00 etc car model part-$00.00 etc... Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: that is exactly what i did. this doesn't work, huh? better ideas? -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com
Put up a temporary HTML page on buymbparts.com and provide a link? ...Kevin Gary Hurst said: that is exactly what i did. this doesn't work, huh? better ideas? On 6/21/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/21/06 12:26 PM, Jim Cathey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rusty is feeling kinda lonely, so he's giving away parts again to get you to call us. That silly Rusty! Wow is that chart (?) hard to read! Methinks Hursty has used HTML to build an e-mail chart. Bad Hursty, bad! Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com
I put in into excel, then made a PDF of it. Not sure if attachments will = work, but the 3 minutes it took to make it readable sure helped me. Dave W that is exactly what i did. this doesn't work, huh? better ideas? On 6/21/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/21/06 12:26 PM, Jim Cathey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rusty is feeling kinda lonely, so he's giving away parts again to get you to call us. That silly Rusty! Wow is that chart (?) hard to read! Methinks Hursty has used HTML to build an e-mail chart. Bad Hursty, bad! Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com = -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: specials.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 9480 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20060= 621/5277ff92/specials.pdf
Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com
Build it in MS Word, save it as HTML, send it as an attachment... OR have Kleb put it up temporarily at Okiebenz.com -- as long as his hosting contract permits that much throughput (that many page requests). Mac on 6/21/06 12:54 PM, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that is exactly what i did. this doesn't work, huh? better ideas? On 6/21/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/21/06 12:26 PM, Jim Cathey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rusty is feeling kinda lonely, so he's giving away parts again to get you to call us. That silly Rusty! Wow is that chart (?) hard to read! Methinks Hursty has used HTML to build an e-mail chart. Bad Hursty, bad! Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com
Kleb? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve MacSween Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com Build it in MS Word, save it as HTML, send it as an attachment... OR have Kleb put it up temporarily at Okiebenz.com -- as long as his hosting contract permits that much throughput (that many page requests). Mac on 6/21/06 12:54 PM, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that is exactly what i did. this doesn't work, huh? better ideas? On 6/21/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/21/06 12:26 PM, Jim Cathey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rusty is feeling kinda lonely, so he's giving away parts again to get you to call us. That silly Rusty! Wow is that chart (?) hard to read! Methinks Hursty has used HTML to build an e-mail chart. Bad Hursty, bad! Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com
I know, we cannot make it multi-os/multi-email client/multi-word processing program compatible.. LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: But that would make it ASCII friendly and we can't have that. On 6/21/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Car model part-$00.00 part-$00.00 part-$00.00 etc car model part-$00.00 etc... Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: that is exactly what i did. this doesn't work, huh? better ideas? -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37
Hmm, then either my 83' 300D is an odd combination or there's some other reason, 'cause when it shifts from 1st to second, it definitely drops out of the turbo's range. I've got a hill that sucks, 'cause it will rev right up through 1st no problem, but as soon as it hits second it will *almost* hold its own at about 30-35mph, but generally drops back to first gear, and repeats. (depending on whether I engage the drop-down and/or if the A/C is on.) Personally I would much rather have a stick... It certainly couldn't be any worse shifting. (: Something sounds wrong. How's the 0-60 time? Your ALDA may need a bit of a tweak to gain back a bit of low-RPM torque that has been lost due to spring fade (inside IP) and the general debility of age. Is the shift from 1-2 at around the correct RPM? (Not too much lower, when floored, than the single orange pip on the speedometer scale.) It should take a heck of a hill to faze the 120 HP of a correctly running OM617A in second gear. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37
Well, I haven't officially clocked the 0-60mph time, but I'm thinking it's under 20 seconds. It certainly doesn't feel REAL slow on a flat surface. The only time it's a problem is catching the big hills at slow speeds. This particular hill is probably something like a 600-800' rise over a little more than a mile, so I would call it pretty steep. And if there weren't a tight turn with parked cars which is in town at the bottom, I could probably hold a faster speed if I could get up there. But since I can't get going more than maybe 35mph, that's as fast as I can hold it. It certainly seems to be revving high enough in 1st, it's something like 4500rpm when it shifts... (the tach is intermittent) (I've got a speedo out of a late 70's 300D, so the gear notches aren't the same as mine). I am tempted to take a look at the Alda though. I've heard it mentioned lots of times, but I've never gotten around to actually figuring out where it is (I know it's more or less on the back of the IP) and how exactly to go about adjusting it. Is there one set of directions that are the best to use? Levi On 6/21/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, then either my 83' 300D is an odd combination or there's some other reason, 'cause when it shifts from 1st to second, it definitely drops out of the turbo's range. I've got a hill that sucks, 'cause it will rev right up through 1st no problem, but as soon as it hits second it will *almost* hold its own at about 30-35mph, but generally drops back to first gear, and repeats. (depending on whether I engage the drop-down and/or if the A/C is on.) Personally I would much rather have a stick... It certainly couldn't be any worse shifting. (: Something sounds wrong. How's the 0-60 time? Your ALDA may need a bit of a tweak to gain back a bit of low-RPM torque that has been lost due to spring fade (inside IP) and the general debility of age. Is the shift from 1-2 at around the correct RPM? (Not too much lower, when floored, than the single orange pip on the speedometer scale.) It should take a heck of a hill to faze the 120 HP of a correctly running OM617A in second gear. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injection pump timing OM616
rumor has it that [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do it yourself. Didn't you adjust your valves yourself? Also, check timing chain stretch. The 616 requires manual oil additions to the injection pump. A low oil level could be causing problems with the governor and rack. I don't think that's true on a 1982 engine. I recall that earlier pumps did require their own oil - but that `78 is my oldest one and it is lubed by the engine oil pump. Or did I miss something and you are talking about his 220. --Philip, still waking up
Re: [MBZ] 240D rescued..
rumor has it that Kevin wrote: It's starting pretty well but it's summer time. When fall rolls around we'll get the parallel plugs / wiring in place and make sure the valves are adjusted properly. The glow-plug upgrade is a good idea! The rubber seal around the rear windshield is really old and hard and it looks like someone tried to put some silicone over it to seal it. I found some water in the left rear seat footwell last evening after some heavy rain so I have leaking from somewhere. What are the common water infiltration modes on a W123? The only placa any of mine have leaked is around the front and rear windows. I have repaired all that did leak with a tube of black RTV. I squeesed out a bead along the glass/rubber joint. It may not be the right fix, but it has worked! -- Philip, who really only has beaters.
Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com
On Jun 21, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: that is exactly what i did. this doesn't work, huh? better ideas? I hate Microsoft but do it in Excel (.xls) and drag it into the e- mail. Even we Mac guys should be able to open it in AppleWorks6 (in the absence of MS OfficeMax, which I also have) with the proper translators installed. I suppose you could also scan a copy, reformat it as a jpeg and attach it as a photo to e-mail. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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is that something from the sixties? On 6/21/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But that would make it ASCII friendly and we can't have that. On 6/21/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Car model part-$00.00 part-$00.00 part-$00.00 etc car model part-$00.00 etc... Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: that is exactly what i did. this doesn't work, huh? better ideas? -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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we did it as an xls attachment last time. everyone complained we did it as html this time. everyone complained maybe corporal don can figure out how to do it in punchcard? On 6/21/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 21, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: that is exactly what i did. this doesn't work, huh? better ideas? I hate Microsoft but do it in Excel (.xls) and drag it into the e- mail. Even we Mac guys should be able to open it in AppleWorks6 (in the absence of MS OfficeMax, which I also have) with the proper translators installed. I suppose you could also scan a copy, reformat it as a jpeg and attach it as a photo to e-mail. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jun 21, 2006, at 1:58 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote: I know, we cannot make it multi-os/multi-email client/multi-word processing program compatible.. It will all fly on a Mac if the operator knows what they're doing. I love my Macs. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
[MBZ] amazing july buyMBParts.com specials in microsoft excel format!
hope this works better for those who can't read the first one 1-800-741-5252 tell your friends to call too! -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Specials.xls Type: application/vnd.ms-excel Size: 18944 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20060= 621/1fbf8093/Specials.xls
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On Jun 21, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i sent it in .xls for you and your mac Thanks, I got the message first time around. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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prices are outrageously good, so much so that i start crying when i look at them. rusty is desperately lonely. he just sits there all day listening to tom bitch about what a freak i am. he can't take it much longer. call and buy some stuff! On 6/21/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 21, 2006, at 2:54 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: we did it as an xls attachment last time. everyone complained we did it as html this time. everyone complained I had no problem figuring out the deals and Lord knows, I'm no Geek. Thanks for posting the specials, the prices are more than fair. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And I jus got done fixing it in note pad so I could read it .. George Larribeau Dallas, Texas 1985 300SD 190K hope this works better for those who can't read the first one 1-800-741-5252 tell your friends to call too! -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Specials.xls Type: application/vnd.ms-excel Size: 18944 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20060621/1fbf8093/Specials.xls
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I hate Microshaft also, and only use it at work. I use WordPerfect at home and it's 10 times beter than Micro$#*t. I guess I'm gonna have to download Open Office at home just for Rusty's specials.. That'll suck 89MB on a 28.8Kb dial up connection. John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Jun 21, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: that is exactly what i did. this doesn't work, huh? better ideas? I hate Microsoft but do it in Excel (.xls) and drag it into the e- mail. Even we Mac guys should be able to open it in AppleWorks6 (in the absence of MS OfficeMax, which I also have) with the proper translators installed. I suppose you could also scan a copy, reformat it as a jpeg and attach it as a photo to e-mail. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
Re: [MBZ] amazing july buyMBParts.com specials in microsoft excelformat!
patience, young feller, patience On 6/21/06, George Larribeau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I jus got done fixing it in note pad so I could read it .. George Larribeau Dallas, Texas 1985 300SD 190K hope this works better for those who can't read the first one 1-800-741-5252 tell your friends to call too! -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Specials.xls Type: application/vnd.ms-excel Size: 18944 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20060621/1fbf8093/Specials.xls ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My screen reader and voice synthesizer did well although I had to remember which order the parts were listed to figure out the price, not exactly rocket science! Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela
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Gmail and/or http://spreadsheets.google.com alleviates that big download (though I have openoffice as well) On 6/21/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hate Microshaft also, and only use it at work. I use WordPerfect at home and it's 10 times beter than Micro$#*t. I guess I'm gonna have to download Open Office at home just for Rusty's specials.. That'll suck 89MB on a 28.8Kb dial up connection. John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Jun 21, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: that is exactly what i did. this doesn't work, huh? better ideas? I hate Microsoft but do it in Excel (.xls) and drag it into the e- mail. Even we Mac guys should be able to open it in AppleWorks6 (in the absence of MS OfficeMax, which I also have) with the proper translators installed. I suppose you could also scan a copy, reformat it as a jpeg and attach it as a photo to e-mail. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] amazing july buyMBParts.com specials in microsoft excel format!
Super! Thnx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 14:57 To: Banned List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] amazing july buyMBParts.com specials in microsoft excel format! hope this works better for those who can't read the first one 1-800-741-5252 tell your friends to call too! -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Specials.xls Type: application/vnd.ms-excel Size: 18944 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20060621/1fb f8093/Specials.xls ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com
Why aren't you using OpenOfis? On 6/21/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hate Microshaft also, and only use it at work. I use WordPerfect at home and it's 10 times beter than Micro$#*t. I guess I'm gonna have to download Open Office at home just for Rusty's specials.. That'll suck 89MB on a 28.8Kb dial up connection. John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Jun 21, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: that is exactly what i did. this doesn't work, huh? better ideas? I hate Microsoft but do it in Excel (.xls) and drag it into the e- mail. Even we Mac guys should be able to open it in AppleWorks6 (in the absence of MS OfficeMax, which I also have) with the proper translators installed. I suppose you could also scan a copy, reformat it as a jpeg and attach it as a photo to e-mail. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
