perseteruan yang terjadi saat rapat pansus merupakan bentuk psy war yang
dilakukan oleh pihak tertentu di dalam political warfare masalah century. aim
nya adalah disruption and distraction, melakukan propaganda psikologis, meng
isolasi politik lawan politik nya, berusaha melemahkan bahkan
Is this true?
My deepest condolences to the family, Indonesia has lost a great man. We all
grief and mourn for his death.
From: sunny am...@tele2.se
To: undisclosed-recipi...@yahoo.com
Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 7:51:24 PM
Subject: [ppiindia] Gus Dur
Seharusnya Pemerintah n SBY khususnya, no need to be paranoid or bereaksi
berlebihan. semakin berlebihan respond nya jadi semakin terlihat gak pede. dari
dulu kalo sepertinya tersudut, pasti played the victim role, gelar konferensi
pers lah dengan tema kalo yg bersangkutan yg dizolimi oleh
klo dubur sampai rusak yaah itu udah confirmed gay, if noordin was gay, so
what? nothing wrong with that..., kan almarhum jg punya hasrat even
hasrat dengan sesama lelaki muslim..,gak usah terlalu di blow up
even noordin was gay n died as gay, n the first time we know there's a
few minutes ago i just saw Pak Radityo live at metro TV regarding prita's case,
udah going public yaa pak :)
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Just want to share facts about Golden Age of Islam (kejayaan Islam), history
must be based on facts not just hear-say. there was a fact that there was a
golden age of Islam, full of talented great philosophers, talented scientists,
astronomers, mathematican.
i wrote some statement based on
human life to get free without colonialism.
Salam,
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com, carla annamarie kneefel
carla_annamarie17@ ... wrote:
dont change and run cowardly from the subject.
so as i said previously those DPR ppl, also should demand to ban
indonesian
ppl to use these stuff:
1
as colonize nation, where in our constitution say that we
are against with colonialism, so why there were some Israeli ppl could
enter to Indonesia. I think no one of Indonesian ppl hate Jewish but
they know that Jewish words can't be trust.
salam,
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com, carla annamarie
so in that case those DPR ppl, also should demand to ban indonesian ppl to use
these stuff:
1. Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by
Microsoft-Israel.
2. The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel. Both the
Pentium-4 microprocessor and
additional info about Jewish ppl contribution to the world:
Nobel Prize Winners on Chemistry, Economic, Literature, Peace, Physics,
Psychology and Medicine
CHEMISTRY
Adolph von Baeyer (1905)
* Henri Moissan (1906)
* Otto Wallach (1910)
* Richard Willstätter
well..it's kinda sad,rite? for all ppl that thought obama's foreign policy will
change US foreign policy on US relationship with israel and terrorism. it's a
naive thinking when they thought obama will cut the close ties with israel.
they forgot that powerful jewish ppl rule washington, and
annamarie kneefel
carla_annamarie17@ ... wrote:
well...i dont expect my self to say this but, obama has done a smart
and strategic move when he picked rahm emanuel as his chief of staff,
rahm emanuel is well known as a strong supporter of pro-israel, i
guessed obama dont want his jewish friends
massage...
even if obama doesn't pick rahm emanuel as chief of staff, america's
still stand behind the jewish, as their lord in the middle east...
salam,
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com, carla annamarie kneefel
carla_annamarie17@ ... wrote:
well
i think it's a big disappointment from many
well...i dont expect my self to say this but, obama has done a smart and
strategic move when he picked rahm emanuel as his chief of staff, rahm emanuel
is well known as a strong supporter of pro-israel, i guessed obama dont want
his jewish friends and jewish supporter questioned his loyalty to
annamarie kneefel
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [ppiindia] Re: Bekas prajurit Israel jadi Chief of Staff Obama
well...i dont expect my self to say this but, obama has done a smart and
strategic move when he picked rahm emanuel as his chief
, marriage and sex.
_ _ __
Dari: carla annamarie kneefel carla_annamarie17@ yahoo.com
Kepada: [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com
Terkirim: Sabtu, 25 Oktober, 2008 20:58:44
Topik: Re: [ppiindia] Re: INDONESIA SORGA PARA PEDOPHILE (was Fwd: Syech Puji
Nikahi Bocah 11 Tahun)
ok, then i
fyi,
opinions from another milis
--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Gadis Arivia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Gadis Arivia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Jurnal Perempuan] Kiai Nikahi Bocah : Langkah Komnas Anak
dan LSM?
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 12:57 AM
Ada
in a positive way. I agree with you that
parent should protect their children, but, does the syech protect
those girls after he married them ?
salam,
yustam
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com, carla annamarie kneefel
carla_annamarie17@ ... wrote:
so Yustam, tell me something, do you seriously believe
so Yustam, tell me something, do you seriously believe that this syech married
this little girl or this innocent child based on love? and this innocent young
ones actually love him and understand about marriage? this 11 yeard old child
is a child, she should be out there playing with her
how abt many Indonesian ancient Candi, several of them displaying images of
nude women crafted in the wall of those candis, or how abt those painting or
sculpture that have became national art, do they have to be destroyed too?
--- On Wed, 9/24/08, Kartono Mohamad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
?
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com, carla annamarie kneefel
carla_annamarie17@ ... wrote:
dear Ardy,
it is pointless to debate..., and do not have to worry abt the faith
of christians here, im sure that they even did not read those kinda
emails, they simply just throw it to the trash, like i did
diskusi di milis ini
lebih dapat membangun dalam kehidupan berbangsa dan bernegara.
Salam
Ardi
- Pesan Asli
Dari: carla annamarie kneefel carla_annamarie17@ yahoo.com
Kepada: [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com
Terkirim: Kamis, 18 September, 2008 11:07:00
Topik: Re: Bls: [ppiindia] Pedofilia Balita Dan
Dear ardy,
guess you are a new kid on town in this milis:), let me give u a friendly
advise, do not waste your precious time by replying to those hatemongers
emails, saved your energy, it isn't worthed.
indulge your selves and laugh when you read those email because they just doing
that bcs
@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 11:20 AM
Dear Mba Carla,
Long time not see
Lebaran pada kemana ???
_
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com] On Behalf
Of carla annamarie kneefel
Dear ardy,
guess you are a new kid on town in this milis:), let me give u
indonesia memang melalui perjuangan yang panjang utk mencapai kemerdekaan, tapi
finalisasi dri kemerdekaan indonesia didapat dari diplomasi meja perundingan
bukan dengan militer senjata indonesia kemudian mengusir penjajah (walaupun
tidak dapat dipungkiri kenyataan slama 3.5 abad perjuangan
dear pak Nug,
i have been following obama's campaign actually from quite some time...
and actually if u re scroll down my previous email, never once i mentioned that
i favored mc'cain, pls dont change the subject.
- Original Message
From: Nugroho Dewanto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
pak Nug,
the inexperiences thing is not the only reason i think he's not qualified.
read my email below. observe his interviews, his speeches and read his books
and then compared to objective facts. he is repeteadly lying and fabricating.
btw i suggest u read abt his profile carefully .
dear budi,
scroll down all my comments before, not a single word i stated abt preferences
for mc'cain or huckabee, or did i ever wrote abt robertson or falwell, show
some logical sense here..ok? u made some assumption that i liked robertson and
falwell bcs i objectively show the facts that
?
of course it has been interesting that
in this mailing list we can see different
points of view:
- those from right-wing Indonesians
- those from right-wing Westerners
- and those from left-wing Indonesians
---( ihsan hm )--- -
--- In carla annamarie kneefel carla_annamarie17@ ... wrote
glowbama.., is one of the worst US candidate for president.., but some public n
mainstream media love him..,glowbama just another typical politician who use
charm, looks and smooth talks. poor america if he ever elected president.
- Original Message
From: Sandy Dwiyono [EMAIL
right-wing Westerners
- and those from left-wing Indonesians
---( ihsan hm )--- -
--- In carla annamarie kneefel carla_annamarie17@ ... wrote:
glowbama.., is one of the worst US candidate for
president.., but some public n mainstream media love
him..,glowbama just another typical
dear all,
the substantial message from ulil re abt democracy and liberty. evey one have
their individual rights.
the pattern of argument of amran is typical of fundies's mind-set. they re
fatalistic, poor, primitive, unproductive. as if the moslem had never had
choice of making decision abt
dear all fyi,
we know that there're creation vs evolution theory. however a darwin's theory
abt evolution has been a debate for century.
all scientists in the world re still argue and dont have a common theory abt
how is the world created.
The way we think and teach about the origins of
God and Devil.
when there's Good, there's God
when there's Evil, there's Devil.
God produces Good, Devil produce Evil.
logically speaking.
- Original Message
From: hakim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ppiindia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2007 8:50:11 AM
Subject: Re: [ppiindia]
i agree with u ...pak Nugroho.
all religions re potential fundies. as for hindhu, budhist, christian, and
judaist, re not spared for critism and examination. as for hindhu cant
justified and claimed that his religion is more righteous than budhist, the
same as christian cant claimed and
dear all,
generally fundamentalist ppl avoid dialogue altogether. They believe that there
is no need to prove their belief and that everyone must accept it readily once
they are called to do so.
Converting a fundamentalistic belief is very much an emotional rather than
rational experience.
India moving towards Biotechnolgy.
According to one research India will emerge as a super power in IT
Medical research by 2025.
1. Vinod Khosla is a Co-founder of Sun Microsystems
(The company which is sweeping the internet with its brainchild Java)
2. Vinod Dahm is Creator of pentium Chip
, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Irak, dsb.
Belum lagi perlakuan diskriminasi yang dialami banyak tenaga kerja (PRT,
Sopir, dsb) yang bekerja di keluarga non muslim.
Harap maklum
Salam be fair
Hakim
- Original Message -
From: carla annamarie kneefel carla_annamarie17@ yahoo.com
To: [EMAIL
Message -
From: carla annamarie kneefel
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: Bls: [ppiindia] Re: Kelompok minoritas muslim mengalami
diskriminasi (saya juga sangat sedih)
dear pak Hakim,
both of us agree that fact must be fair.
since early 60's
tidak semuanya smooth seperti
yang
Ibu Carla contohkan.
Ada saja yang dicari-cari untuk kesalahan mereka. Memang tidak semua imigran
bisa klop
dengan budaya, aturan dan hukum di negara maju tsb.
Poinnya adalah pls be fair.
Salam
Hakim
- Original Message -
From: carla annamarie kneefel
dear Eyang Danar,
i think if indonesian muslims want to know abt the life in arabs countries, i
think they should ask n listen emphatically to those TKW indo (all of them re
moslem) abt fair treatment, moreover humane treatment.
there're too many TKW killed brutaly, raped, beaten until
when ppl re not agree with ur own opinion , rather than debate and refute their
argument by facts, logic n reason. some ppl choose to use ad hominem argument
and ad hominem abusive in discussion.
agree to disagree is a common thing in liberal and secular society, but in
fundamentalistic
dear fyi,
im flattered for ur effort to google me.
if u want to know abt prudential management's policy regarding the syariah
product, i suggest u should ask prudential management then. im sure they will
gladly to help. actually since creating of such product i was no longer there.
anyway,
dear Eyang Danar,
i just wonder why ford, VW, ferrari, BMW, Benz or toyota, hyundai, honda
etc...never thought the kinda idea like that...u know a religious car...:)
RM Danardono HADINOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In
dear pak Nugroho,
realism..sir, not pessimism.
i have high hopes for humanity. man re never created to be evil. but when man
stop to heard their voice of reason n stop to feel compassion. the evil begins.
anyway, as long as man chose to use their voice of reason n
An Exegesis of Wahhabism
by : Syed Kamran Mirza
What is Wahabism (?): many conniving Islamists want to blame Wahabism for the
inherent intolerance of real Islam. That is, they want to portray Wahabism as
the separate or deviant entity of Islam which is being misunderstood (by
thats what its called double-standard politic.., not only US but EU
countries have their shared in guilt.
but as a matter of fact, even saudis corporations have connection with jewish
bankers, they put and invest most of their money into western countries.
ironically they rarely
dear pak Nugroho,
actually, i dont want u to misunderstood my previous posting, im not
generalize ppl that have islam as their religion as wahhabist. i met many good
ppl ( that by birth and family, made them a muslim). in fact two of my closest
friend have Islam as their religion.
of cakes with different cover, we could
know their character behind.
cheers..
-i2n-
--- In ppiindia@yahoogroups.com, carla annamarie kneefel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
dear pak Radityo,
argumentum ad hominem is not worth for a debate..:)..but it could
make reader to interpret or judge
dear all,
fyi...
Note: forwarded message attached.
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CNN. com
by CNN Political Desk Managing Editor Steve Brusk
PHILADELPHIA (CNN) So if there are space aliens, can they register to vote?
Perhaps Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich is courting their
support, discussing a UFO sighting in Tuesday nights
in my opinion, indonesian ppl re not afraid to condem dictatorship, but
the ppl that we put in the government and ppl that we put as our legislative
representatives, re afraid of condemning dictatorship. even some of them
actually told the media that they want to condem the dictator but
dear pak Radityo,
i think from all ur comments u re far more intellectually superior..:).
judging from ur comments u treat others with decency and respect.
and u have good compassion, u re sharp in dealing with injustice, but u re
honest enough to deal with the truth. i
dear pak Radityo,
argumentum ad hominem is not worth for a debate..:)..but it could make reader
to interpret or judge the emotional state of the writer. (n maybe if their
write something ad hominem abusive, we could know a tiny glimpse of their
character).
i think when we re
u re rite.., so what? maybe advantage for france, in a war against
terrorism.., mossad is the best ally to fight side by side against the satanic
osama..:)..so if sarkozy proven to be the ex- mossad's agent, he had the best
training in intelligent...lol. (it;s my opinion, not general
Strange Accusations of a Cyber-raven
by JEAN-MARC LECLERC
Le Figaro, October 12, 2007
INTERNET The PJ (Police Judiciere) investigates an electronic mail that was
sent during the presidential election to one hundred top responsible of the
police force. The email
dear fyi,
heresy means disambuguation, theological or religious opinion or doctrine
maintained in opposition, or held contrary to religious system considered as
orthodox.
i think the so-called heretic in islam is interesting yet confusing and
argumentative, and muslim
dear Pak Radityo,
on the contrary, i found it kinda amusing, hillariously
funny the previous posting by pak Nizami.
here are facts that re well-documented, abt inovations and science:
BC.
I. 8500 BC : A method of preserving numeric information in clay was invented
dear Pak Kartono,
actually there're scientist, philosophers, mathematican, astronomers that
could be associated with islam such as:
1. al- farabi, ibn sina, al-kindi ( these three philosophers combined
aristotelianism and neoplatonism with other ideas introduced
Islam, the Multicultural Cemetery #8213; An Open Letter to an Educated
Liberal by Alexander Maistrovoy
09 Jul, 2007
And for the first time, with a sudden shiver, came the clear knowledge of what
the meat I had seen in the Underworld might be. These careless Eloi were mere
dear all, klo saya boleh berpendapat..secara global saya melihat bangkitnya
gerakan muslim conservative dr eropa dan asia...dilihat dengan semakin
banyaknya perkumpulan maupun muslim yg bergabung dalam gerakan ini. rata2
mereka adalah org muslim kelahiran eropa or asia..berasal dr keluarga
Pak Badrun said : Dan saya yakin suatu saat nanti wacana Khilafah Islamiyah
bisa terealisasi nyata dan menebarkan kedamaian, kedamaian, dan keselamatan
dimuka bumi.
just curious aja...neh pak...bagaimana cara konkrit nya khilafah islamiyah
bisa secara real menebarkan kedamaian dan
kejadian yang dialami oleh Lina Joy juga dialami di mesir, apabila seorang
muslim convert ke agama lain bukan cuma dipersulit, tapi bahkan ada ancaman mau
dibunuh lah, ada kasus dimana telah terjadi penganiayaan...
saya jadi curious neh, pertanyaan saya:
1. apakah didalam ajaran
sebenarnya di US, ada beberapa hal yang telah dilarang misalnya:
1. pelarangan berdoa sebelum proses belajar-mengajar untuk seluruh neg bagian
di US, putusan pengadilan US telah memutuskan (kla gak salah thn 60 an) dimana
diajukan gugatan oleh seorang wanita terhadap pemerintah US, dimana
sebenarnya di US, ada beberapa hal yang telah dilarang misalnya:
1. pelarangan berdoa sebelum proses belajar-mengajar untuk seluruh neg bagian
di US, putusan pengadilan US telah memutuskan (kla gak salah thn 60 an) dimana
diajukan gugatan oleh seorang wanita terhadap pemerintah US, dimana
Pak Ahmad,
just quick question neh...RI mo lindungin Lebanon and Palestina pake
apaan?...ngelindungin neg sendiri aja belom tentu mampu, tentara RI dikirim
sbg pasukan jihad ato pasukan perdamaian..?
Al-Badruuni Enterprise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mas Harry,
Khan Israel
klo indo pecah...udah pasti hengkang tuh smua investor2 asing, smua pengusaha2
yg mayoritas perekonomian indo dikuasai investor barat, cina, jepang n korea
ato pengusaha indonesia yg berketurunan cina pada gak akan ngambil resiko utk
tetap tinggal di indo...
apalagi klo neg ini dikuasai
pak Nizami,
bagaimana dgn laki2 yg berpakaian ala gigolo, pake kaos ketat, celana panjang
ketat or celana boxer...or maybe laki2 cuman pake handuk doang..klo dlihat dr
generalisasi pasal2 perda tsbt..boleh dunk laki2 itu di asumsikan sbg pelacur...
pelacur bukan cuman perempuan
the new form of facism...
heil Hitler.
A Nizami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kafir tidak mempercayai Allah sebagai satu-satunya
Tuhan.
Kalau menyembah selain Allah seperti Tuhan Anak, Tuhan
Bapak, dsb, itu adalah kafir menurut ajaran Islam.
--- Alpha Bagus Sunggono [EMAIL
laki-laki...:-)
Dunia ini emang dah patriarkhi, mo diapain? Nabi aja
semua laki2,
apa kita pere mo protes? Adam aja diciptain
duluan...apa kita mo
protes?
salam,
--- In ppiindia@yahoogroups.com, carla annamarie
kneefel
wrote:
pak Nizami,
bagaimana dgn laki2 yg berpakaian
yeah rite? leading islam for the real man slaughter movements, provoked and
justified all forms all terrorism...
re Hamas and Hezbollah completely innocent and their hands re clean from
bloods? re they re the role model of true moslem? re their action re
respectable and honorable in the
apakah ini bentuk prostitusi yang dihalalkan oleh agama?
dalam prakteknya perempuan2 ini menjual dirinya, gak ada bedanya dengan psk2
yang sering ditangkap ato kadang dipake juga sama kamtib n polisi, teori ini
bisa dipake juga buat psk2 yg sering ditangkep..drpd masuk kurungan n rehab
ideolgy yang dibawa oleh para jihadist ini adalah ideology kebencian, jadi
inget trial nya Amrozi Cs dimana they re very proud and determined abt their
actions, there's no regret...they re very proud to kill..and it's strange that
they looked happy...gosh..guess they lost their mind..., maybe
fight for corruption, poverty and backwarness re not a popular things
nowdays
u have to follow the trend thesedays..., the trend is to create, join and
volunteer for wars...
wars re everywhere...ppl re hungry and starve not for food anymore but for
blood and the flesh of their own
Pak Badrun and Mba Aris,
do u have peace in ur heart while u re hating others?
do u have love in ur heart while u re cursing others?
do all bad things done to u by others can justified ur hatred to them?
do u feels happy, glad, grateful when u let hatred conquer ur heart?
menembakan pistolnya toh?
ini juga Demii .. Society ..
demi ketentraman masyarakat .
Pada tanggal 06/08/11, carla annamarie kneefel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:
Pak Badrun and Mba Aris,
do u have peace in ur heart while u re hating others?
do u have love in ur heart while u re cursing
Dear mods,
since my email acct of prudential.co.id is non-active, pls send all emails
from ppiindia to this email acct.
Many thanks
Carla Annamarie
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Mba Aris
komen mba malah bikin double bingung...
btw mba gak ikutan ke lebanon...? bareng pasukan jihad dr indo, maksud saya
gak usah sampe bom bunuh diri gitu, tp jadi sukarelawan medisnya, banyak rakyat
lebanon yang tidak berdosa, yang luka2 n butuh pertolongan medis
cheers
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