At 08:55 PM 29/04/02 -0700, you wrote:
><..snip..>
>I triple backup because my livelyhood depends on it! I have two drives in my
>machine that get mirrored. This covers me from a drive crash or even an
>accidental file overwrite. On a weekly basis, I copy my data to another
>machine, so if my driv
Igor, I know why people come here. I've helped out plenty of times (and
asked quite a few questions too) But I don't do dumb things and then ask how
to get out of hot water.
I don't know if you read what Rene wrote, but Rene said his drive CRASHED!!!
That almost ALWAYS means it gets thrown out, o
Tony,
people come to this forum for help and not to be publicly denigrated.
Psychologists say that we see in others what we have first seen in
ourselves. However other people's reasons or actions seemed wrong to you,
use of the sort of expression you have put in your message is unjustified. I
wou
-Original Message-
From: Mira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2002 11:03 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] duplicated net labels and refdes (THANKS)
>There are some very nice features
>in PCAD2k1. You can flip the component but you can
>flip (mirror) the wh
Thanks Phil,
That's will do what I wanted (ie: avoid the dialogue box)
I knew about the "L" key when flipping components or selections. I just
didn't think to use it for single track segments.
Thanks to Ian Wilson who also replied.
Best Regards,
LINDEN DOYLE
Product Development Engineer
Zene
At 05:50 PM 29/04/02 -0700, you wrote:
>Hello all,
> My friend told me about a BMP to Gerber converter and that he had
> heard
>about it on this list. Does anyone know where I could download this?
>
>Thank you
>Afshin Salehi
>DPS Telecom
This was discussed in some detail in the last wee
Hello Linden,
Not what you are exactly asking for, but something that will work.
When any object is 'on the cursor', pressing 'L' will toggle it's layer, top
to bottom.
So, left-click-hold and press L will change a track's layer. (seems to only
work top-to-bottom though)
Also works with selection
Brad,
Thank you so much.
You are my walking tutorial but if I stay a bit more
here, we'll have to think about having a breakfast.
> I had even
> suggested the Accel view
> window as a nice feature for mirroring bottom
> assembly drawings. There is
> also word of integrated libraries with Phoeni
Hello all,
My friend told me about a BMP to Gerber converter and that he had heard
about it on this list. Does anyone know where I could download this?
Thank you
Afshin Salehi
DPS Telecom
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Ian,
It's a pleasure to read your emails.
> Does PCAD force re-use of ref des "windows"?
PCAD2k1 gives you full control over the placed parts.
You see the refdes before it's placed and you can roll
up/down till you get the number you want. You have
also tips when you hold the mouse over any obje
On 09:34 AM 30/04/2002 +1000, Linden Doyle said:
>Hi All,
>
>A quick question on customising toolbars
>
>I want to generate a buttons that allow me to change a track layer with a
>single click.
>In particular, click the button then click a track (or tracks) and have
>the layer change to Top
On 04:25 PM 29/04/2002 -0700, Brad Velander said:
>Mira,
> just in case you haven't found the answer to your question below,
>the answer is C2! It will re-use vacant designators first, unlike some other
>systems which just keep running up those designator numbers.
It will re-use gaps when
OK, Brad.
You may have a coffee break. I'm going to bed now. How
much time do you need? 15 minutes?
Mira
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Ian,
So many interesting tips to try. I'll have to work the
whole night.
> Select-Net (shortcut keys S-N) and then click on
> the net of interest. You
> can then see which net is highlighted. Unfortunately
> it is more difficult
> to get this selection to work across multiple sheets
OK. Obv
On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
> I don't use the bar anymore (NOT drinking humor). It is not "portable".
> That is, you can't see it in a netlist, and you can't use it in [insert your
> favorite HDL here]. Why not use '#', '-', or 'n' as a prefix for
> negative-logic signal
On 03:43 PM 29/04/2002 -0700, Mira said:
>Brad,
>Thank you for your polite reply.
Nicely put. Brad - are you being harsh? There are legitimate userbility
issue in Protel that are well worth discussing even though many of us
experienced users are so familiar with them that we may loose sight of
Mira,
just in case you haven't found the answer to your question below,
the answer is C2! It will re-use vacant designators first, unlike some other
systems which just keep running up those designator numbers.
I don't remember how Accel handled that instance, I believe that it
just
Mira,
OK! This explains a bit more, been there done that a number of times
in the last ten years. I can understand where you are coming from now and I
sympathize. My best advice, look for functionality and not duplication of
what you were used to. Also keep an eye out for solutions to issu
The technique to automatically assign a net to a single pin has already
been given. (But note that if the "include single-pin nets" is not checked
next time net information is transferred, this will be lost.)
The behavior of the autorouter may not be as desired, however; of course
this only is
Yes, I think your point is clear, but we obviously get along quite well
without making this mistake.
Even if they were not connected by the inclusion of the net name, the name
placed in that location is unclear as to which wire it references.
Tony
> Now about the net label placed on top of t
Peter,
> The power ports act something like net labels (but
> not _exactly_ like
> net labels - the power nets are always Global, while
> those created by
> net labels may be local to a single sheet, depending
> on how the netlist
> is generated.)
This was good to know. However it changed the gl
Yuriy,
with all respect, you are comparing two vastly differing systems and
not the validity of the comments that I made. I used Accel EDA for a few
years so I have seen some of the issues that you speak of.
Like trying to manually swap designators on a couple of schematic
symbols
Brad,
Thank you for your polite reply.
You may start polishing my resume, too.
I'm experienced PCAD MD user. You can only dream of
what I can do with this package. :o)
But my colleagues think that it's time to make a move
and some of them prefer Protel although they never
worked with it. Some othe
On 11:50 AM 29/04/2002 -0700, Mira said:
>Brad,
>One more question.
>If the net "connectivity is directly assigned at a
>time when the netlist is generated", how can I
>select/highlight (or sort of) a wire and check if it's
>really connected to all parts?
Select-Net (shortcut keys S-N) and then
Under schematic Preferences / Graphical Editing tab there is a checkbox
labeled "single '/' negation". This sets whether the / acts on the
following character or all following characters.
FWIW: Using this feature makes for some messy looking names in the netlist
(not a big deal, I know). I tend
Hi Brad,
I couldn't agree with you on most points.
Brad Velander wrote:
>
> Mira,
> I am not sure which systems you may have used prior to Protel but of
> the systems that I have used the reactions that you report below are the
> norm.
I have used PCAD2001 for quite some time and could
Michael,
there is a Schematic option under Option Preferences called "Single
'\'Negation". This should be unchecked if you don't want the single negation
option to work. Unfortunately if it is checked there is no option to stop it
until the end of the string is reached.
Sincerely,
Brad Ve
I don't use the bar anymore (NOT drinking humor). It is not "portable".
That is, you can't see it in a netlist, and you can't use it in [insert your
favorite HDL here]. Why not use '#', '-', or 'n' as a prefix for
negative-logic signals? The 'n' is portable to every HDL I have ever heard
of (pr
"Watnoski, Michael" wrote:
>
> Help!!
>
> Can anyone explain the logic to placing the bar over text in the pin
> name. It does not seem to be consistent. The backslash '\' character
> sometimes will bar everything following it, and other times it seems to only
> affect the character im
Mira,
this is starting to get a little bit too much. It seems as though
you are looking for an online tutor. Do you not have a manual? Or a
downloaded PDF manual from the Protel website? I know it is not the best
manual and some minor things are outright incorrect but it does cover all
the
Mira,
you do not have to forget the windows shortcuts but there is more to
it then just the windows shortcuts.
You must first select the parts to be copied by encircling them with
the mouse, check that they are all highlighted. Or you can use "SHIFT" left
mouse clicks on the parts
Mira wrote:
>
> Thanks for the remark, Peter.
>
> I used "wires" and placed "net labels". It's amazing
> that I'm allowed to place parts with one and the same
> ref. designators.
That's "feature", though annoying one.
> OK. I placed a net label on the wire that had GND
> power port connected
Mira,
I am not sure which systems you may have used prior to Protel but of
the systems that I have used the reactions that you report below are the
norm.
Putting a net label with the same name on two wires, connects the
wires exactly the same as if you drew a wire between them. Sa
Mira wrote:
>
> Thanks for the remark, Peter.
>
> I used "wires" and placed "net labels". It's amazing
> that I'm allowed to place parts with one and the same
> ref. designators.
> OK. I placed a net label on the wire that had GND
> power port connected expecting the name of the label
> to chang
Brad Velander wrote:
> Rene,
> did you have auto-back-ups enabled? If so then you should search the
> drive (assuming it is not complete toast) for "PCB filename".bk1, "PCB
> filename".bk2, etc., to the maximum number of backups you had specified. I
> hope that you did not turn off the Prot
Thanks, Brad.
I should have read your post first.
I didn't solve the problem with opening the schematic.
Protel solve it itself after the 10-th reboot but I'm
no longer interested in this DDB. There were too many
pages.
I took another one to play with. I did copy the
schematic and the PCB and I
Brad,
One more question.
If the net "connectivity is directly assigned at a
time when the netlist is generated", how can I
select/highlight (or sort of) a wire and check if it's
really connected to all parts?
We normally draw short segments and give them the same
net names. When I click on one seg
Thanks for the remark, Peter.
I used "wires" and placed "net labels". It's amazing
that I'm allowed to place parts with one and the same
ref. designators.
OK. I placed a net label on the wire that had GND
power port connected expecting the name of the label
to change to GND but it didn't.
The ER
Correction on what I wrote on Friday- CircuitMaker schematics can not be
imported into 99SE, TraxMaker PCB's can.
Frank Langlois
Project Development
P.O. Box 5582
Bend, OR 97708
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From: "Frank Langlois" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PR
Rene,
did you have auto-back-ups enabled? If so then you should search the
drive (assuming it is not complete toast) for "PCB filename".bk1, "PCB
filename".bk2, etc., to the maximum number of backups you had specified. I
hope that you did not turn off the Protel generated back-ups! I even
Not to sound harsh, but that was plain stupid. You're using your computer in
a professional manner and not backing up your data properly
Go to a data recovery service. They can sometimes scrape bits off the data
floor :)
Otherwise, I think you've just learned a big lesson.
Tony
> -Ori
Mira,
it seems that you may have sorted out your difficulty with opening
the schematics in question. I would have suggested the printer issue as
Dennis suggested. The printer bug will crash Protel if the schematic was an
open document while opening the database, otherwise it may crash the
Thanks, but the drive crashed. And backup was a bit behind.
Rene
Stephen Casey wrote:
>
> Rene,
>
> > Is there a way to recover the pcb file ?
>
> I don't have much time to go into detail now, but try doing a search for
> *.pcb, from the Windows 'Start' menu. It should show up any backup file
Rene,
> Is there a way to recover the pcb file ?
I don't have much time to go into detail now, but try doing a search for
*.pcb, from the Windows 'Start' menu. It should show up any backup files
that have been saved to your hard drive.
Good luck - I'm sure you'll get many more useful suggestion
Mira wrote:
When replying to a message, please trim unnecessary quoted material
(particularly the footer added by the list server.
>
> Thanks, Tony. Maybe Dennis is right. Or maybe Protel
> didn't want to work on odd days.
>
> I opened another project and this time it let me see
> the schematic
It happened a project disappeared ...
I was able to recover the gerber files and loaded them into
Camtastic 2000. Exporting the netlist somehow failed.
A .net was created, consisting of 2 lines :
% coordinates
% end
Beside that camtastic appears to be a 16 bit toy not being able
to generate long
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