'..there is sin
that does not lead to death.' (1Jn5)
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 23:29:45 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak"
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I don't know, I think I may need help. (Bill?
Anyone?)
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.We are the weak link in the chain.To the
Can you explain to me how and why you
see this assuch a profound truth Terry?
What is the chain? Can it be seen in
scripture and who says Christ can not live without us?
If God can make rocks cry out - what are
his limitations? jt
Terry writes:
This is without doubt the most profound truth
Hi Debbie. It is such a delight to correspond with you. You actually hear
what is being said and attempt to address the issue. Bravo.
Debbie wrote:
I see where you are going, but it is a bit of a trick of
words, the play between any and all. If it is true
that one can say, about any given
Your analogy is very good for pointing out the
weakness of the human flesh, but there are some things to consider
before we accept whether or not it is applicable to our ability to walk
in love. First, the issue of playing the sonata deals not with
just playing one note, but with the
said numerous times) it
suggests a different and powerful motivation.
Debbie
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On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 12:54:04 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy, I will point out that this is typical of
Read it again, Judy. No one says Christ cannot live without us.
Concentrate on "We are the weak link". If we are not saved, it is our
own fault. Christ did His part. If we are saved, it is because we
have done something in response to what Christ did.
Terry
Judy Taylor wrote:
Can
Debbie wrote:
Anyway, I think we can close this off now, since
I believe we do understand each other despite
disagreeing, and likely won't get further than this.
Oh, Debbie, I am very disappointed. Just when I thought we were getting on
the right track toward a good and profitable
Debbie wrote:
Doctrines cannot lead people into godliness
and holiness, so I guess all of them are from
the devil.
Because I had commented on this, let me say that I do not believe that all
of them are necessarily from the devil, but the concept Judy expresses
about the fruit of doctrine
Tomorrow's the big day when Dennis come to town??!! Praying for you folks. JD -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton wabbits1234@earthlink.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 12:49:04 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible
Read it again, Judy. No one says
I understand your explanation Terry but didn't read the
same meaning into what Debbie wrote initially - I think her
last statement especiallyhas to do with everybody
being taken up in the incarnation - a concept that I can't accept.
If I'm wrong she will probably straighten me out when
she
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NO - not at all, Jesus said (John 8:31)
"IF you continue in my Word, then are you my disciples and you shall know the truth and the truth wil
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Personal effort is always and only out of response to God's saving activity. It is "required" in the same way breathing is required to continue physical life. All references of joint participation are to
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Personal effort is always and only out of response to God's saving activity. It is "required" in the same way breathing is required t
this great salvation. Salvation avoids this circumstance -- here in Hebews chapter 2
Jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:57:47 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible
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Personal effort is always and only out of response to God's saving activity. It is "required" in the same way breathing is required to continue physical
gan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:09:25 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible
How shall we escape if we NEGLECT so great a salvation? Heb 2:3
Heb 2:2 the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience recei
You got one passed me !1 I have no idea what you are asking. Go back to work, kevin.
Jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:13:47 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible
Why do you not take
It may have gotten caught in one of my delete frenzies. :)
Blainer
In a message dated 7/6/2005 10:01:08 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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Blaine,
I responded to this post...did you miss it?PerryFrom:
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How shall we escape if we NEGLECT so great a salvation? Heb 2:3
Heb 2:2 the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
HOW SHALL WE ESCAPE?
[EMAIL
We are still waiting !!
5 questions -- f i v e .
JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:17:07 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible
Right, but with you I am afraid it is a PROFESSION
Also, if you believe that we can sometimes
love, why would you not believe that we can always
love?
OK, just taking this sometimes --
always thing on its own: I see what you mean about people
saying"theoretically". Because of course, at any given moment we could
love. Sure. It is
(?)
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From:
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the
Bible
Also, if you believe that we can sometimes
love, why would you not believe that we can always
love?
OK, just
Debbie Sawczak wrote:
.We are the weak link in the chain.To
the extent we are able to live outour reconciliation to God at all, it
is because of Christ in us. But it is not Christ without us who lives.
=
This
ditto,
T
On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 19:00:44 -0500 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Debbie Sawczak wrote:
.We are the weak link in the chain.To the
extent we are able to live outour reconciliation to God at all, it is
because of Christ in us. But it is not
I don't know, I think I may need help. (Bill?
Anyone?)
Debbie
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ditto,
T
On Fri, 08 Jul 2005
DaveH, is this also how you view the Bible and the BoM? Is the BoM more
trustworthy than the Bible, from your perspective?
DAVEH: I view it a bit differently than Blaine. As I see it, both
records lack many important details. However, when used together, they
compliment each other and give
Dark
ontologically rooted in God:Dualism
To David:Yes/No?
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From:
Debbie Sawczak
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: July 06, 2005 23:40
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the
Bible
Blue.
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From: "Da
you need a 'break' from teaching for a bit,
David? You DO see the responsibility therein David, do you not? Yes?
No?
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: July 06, 2005 19:21
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the
Bible
And what is the response of many a believer to the reading of Bill's defense? Well, the first response is not one of continued debate -- at least not for me. It is to close one's eyes for a moment and say, "Thank you Jesus." If any of you think you have struck a cord by accusing us of a form of
Blaine wrote:
All truth may be determined by scientific approach
--do you believe this?
No, absolutely not.
Blaine wrote:
Joseph Smith says he prayed and had his prayers
answered. This can be tested, by repeating as closely
as possible, his original investigative experiment. Pray,
and if
Is there any greater scientific proof than this that Joseph Smith was a fraud and a false prophet?
http://www.irr.org/mit/kinderhook-plates.html
David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blaine wrote: All truth may be determined by scientific approach --do you believe this?No, absolutely not.Blaine
Burn me at the steak
well, medium, rare?
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And what is the response of many a believer to the reading of Bill's defense? Well, the first response is not one of continued debate -- at least not for me. It is to close one's eyes for a moment and say, "Thank you Jesus." If
denying the gospel message is no joke!!!-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 05:11:53 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible
Burn me at the steak
well, medium, rare?
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Debbie wrote:
If by always you understand as long as we
are in this life, on some occasions, then yes,
you do hear that. But someone might misapprehend
your representation of our position as on every occasion.
Well, I'm sorry for being a poor writer. I thought context would make it
clear
on these matters.
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: July 07, 2005 08:56
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Debbie wrote:
If by always you understand as long as we
are in this life, on some occasions, then yes,
you do
Lance wrote:
Bill speaks here of a believer's obedience.
IFF Judy's understanding is the same then,
David, you'd better jump in once again (cover
Judy's back, as it were)for she has just said
that the 'natural man' still exists within you.
Therefore, your teaching on 'perfection' is
quite
You ask 'does speaking this by revelation' make a difference? It most
assuredly does! You may not think it David, but I regard you highly.
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Lance wrote:
Bill, John, Jonathan, Caroline and, now Debbie have
'taken a run' at showing you that this is so. All, to date,
have been unsuccessful. IMO, neither they nor anyone
COULD ever demonstrate that this is so to your
satisfaction.
None of these you mention have successfully even
None of these you mention have successfully even parroted back what I teach on the matter. DM
You must be so proud - a teacher who does not communicate Do you imagine that the four or five you mentioned who have failed to capture your ideas are equally impaired?
JD
John wrote:
To imagine that any on this site would ever say
He can't take care of our part is truly beyond
me. OUR PART HAS BEEN THE PROBLEM
FROM THE BEGINNING OF TIME.
John, can you elaborate on Paul's perspective in 1 Cor. 9:27? Don't you see
any perspective on his part of cooperating
Personal effort is always and only out of response to God's saving activity. It is "required" in the same way breathing is required to continue physical life. All references of joint participation are to be viewed in this context. That is the gospel message as I understand it. To argue that my
John wrote:
You must be so proud - a teacher who does
not communicate
No, just the opposite. I am plagued with poor communication skills.
My only reason for bringing it up was because one should not discount what I
share just because I am poor at communicating it. If my views were
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John wrote:
You must be so proud - a teacher who does
not communicate
No, just the opposite. I am plagued with poor communication skills.
My only reason for bringing it up was because one should not discount what I
share just
Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!
Debbie
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And what is the response of many a believer
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:11:14 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bill speaks here of a believer's obedience. IFF
Judy's understanding is the same then, David, you'd better jump in once again
(cover Judy's back, as it were) for she has just said that the 'natural man'
still
I encourage you in the Lord, David.
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Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: July 07, 2005 12:50
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the
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c: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:11:14 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Bill speaks here of a believer's obedience. IFF
Judy's understanding is
But for now, David, just the following
clarification:
Debbie wrote: The practical upshot of
this is not that we should have no
confidence at all as interpreters,David
responded:
This would be a BAD thing, not a good
thing.
I'm wondering if you missed the "not" [in red]
above. I agree
Debbie wrote:
I'm wondering if you missed the not [in red] above.
I agree that having no confidence at all as interpreters
would be a bad thing. Such total lack of confidence
would not be the upshot of the approach I was defending.
I was just trying to make sure you knew that I did not
myth (DavidM is
not a theologian else ppllike Iz would say they haveno clue
what he's saying; that DS is a theologian at best understates
hercommunication skills)
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:57:44 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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she is..
asuperior 'theologian'.
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myth (DavidM is not a theologian else ppllike Iz would say they haveno clue what he's saying; that DS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personal effort is always and only out of response to God's
saving activity. It is "required" in the same way breathing is
required to continue physical life. All references of joint
participation are to be viewed in this context. That is the gospel
message
"I love you, if ." is never spoken in relatioships with which I am aquainted.-Original Message-From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 19:49:05 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible
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wrote:
Personal effort is always and only out of response to God's
saving activity. It is "required" in the same
nconditional? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"I love you, if ." is never spoken in relatioships with
which I am aquainted.-Original
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Thu, 07 Jul 2005 19:49:05 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personal effort is always and only out of response to
God's saving activity. It is "required" in the same way
breathing is required to continue physical life. All references of
joint participation are to be viewed in this context. That
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DAVEH: It seems to me that your below non-religious examples are
illogical, DavidM. Let me give you an example. If I were to ask you,
"Are you perfect before God?&quo
Adam
lived out
from conception to ascension on our behalf. Our 'imperfections' are
visible
to ourselves and to those about us, though redeemed.
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s such.Rather it is as Lance stated: "We
participate in that which He, the second Adamlived out from conception
to ascension on our behalf."
Bill
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John, I'll try to give this some attention, well,
later on today.
Bill
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Hey william
bedience is not only right and loving, it is the only thing that makes good
sense.
Bill
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Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 3:11
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On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:46:2
Bill in Green.
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Taylor
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Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:13
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Bill in Green.
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From: Judy Taylor
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On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:46:26 -0600 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECT
If ever I read/spoke to anyone who did NOT glory in HIS wisdom, it'd be Bill
Taylor.
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Bill wrote:
But of Him you
ubject: Fw: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible
Judy writes Then I would ask - What does this participation look like in a person's every day life?
A right kind of obedience comes to mind. The truth is, Judy, you and certain others have mischaracterized our position so many times that you are nowactually
On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 05:34:58 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy -- rather than lobbing bombs at BT
--
Noone is lobbing bombs to anyone from my
computerJD - imagination gone wildI suppose.
why not state your disagreement and offeryour reasoning as the
contrast
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 21:10:10 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible
At least some of us can ?grasp? correct spelling? iz
One of thecritical issues in the continuing debate, here, is the apparent inability of theobedience-salvationiststo grasp t
hing to do with that process.
JD
-Original Message-From: Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 02:54:33 -0600Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible
Judy writes Then I would ask - What does this participation look like in a person's ever
JD just loves that inflamatory language, instead of reasoningJudy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 05:34:58 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy -- rather than lobbing bombs at BT --
Noone is lobbing bombs to anyone from my computerJD - imagination gone wildI suppose.
DAVEH:
It seems to me that your below non-religious examples
are illogical, DavidM. Let me give you an example.
If I were to ask you, Are you perfect before God?,
you might answer from your perspective, Yes.
Actually, no, I would not answer that way.
DaveH wrote:
If on the other hand, I
--Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 04:56:04 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible
Don't speak for me JD you have never gotten ONE thing right, when doing so.
You either have a understanding probl
Lance wrote:
EVERY MAN, DAVID, IS IMPERFECT EVEN
AFTER REDEMPTION ONLY THE REDEEMER IS
PERFECT, DAVID.
God seems to have a different testimony than you, Lance. In whatever way
our Redeemer was perfect, so we are when we are in him. This is one reason
why he was made flesh, to illustrate
John wrote:
I Jo 3:14 presents to us an opportunity to actually
understand a little of how we are doing in the Lord.
Read it and do with it what you will.
1 John 3:14
(14) We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the
brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in
attend to your teaching to do likewise, thus compounding
that which IMO (again) is error..
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: July 06, 2005 09:56
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Lance wrote:
EVERY MAN, DAVID, IS IMPERFECT EVEN
AFTER
: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 4:54
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Judy writes
Then I would ask - What does this participation look like in a person's every
day life?
A right kind of obedience comes to
mind. The truth is, Judy, you and certain others have
This is not a joke! It's similar but not the same
as you Judy.
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From:
David Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: July 06, 2005 10:25
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the
Bible
Bill, this was very well written. For the record
John wrote:
The works-salvationists on this forum (including
our Mormon friends -- that's right, you
[deegan, JT and DM] and the Mormons only
argue about different rules and doctrines while
refusing to see that your frame of reference is
the same !!) imply in the argumentation that
] Jesus of the Bible
Lance wrote:
EVERY MAN, DAVID, IS IMPERFECT EVEN
AFTER REDEMPTION ONLY THE REDEEMER IS
PERFECT, DAVID.
God seems to have a different testimony than you, Lance. In whatever way
our Redeemer was perfect, so we are when we are in him. This is one reason
why he was made
On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 05:34:58 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy -- rather than lobbing bombs at BT --
Noone is lobbing bombs to anyone from my computerJD - imagination gone wildI suppose.
why not state your disagreement and offeryour reasoning as the contrast WITHOUT making it sound
I John 3:14 speaks of the love brother for brother - not sin. I am surprised at you on this one, David.
Jd-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:16:26 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible
John wrote:
I
Lance wrote:
THIS IS NOT GOD'S TESTIMONY, rather it is
but your interpretation, David.
Sorry, Lance. I wish I was that smart to figure this out, but I am not.
This is God's testimony concerning us, not mine. Read the Bible for the
evidence that I do not speak of myself on this issue.
Lance
@mail.innglory.org
Sent: July 06, 2005 11:17
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Lance wrote:
THIS IS NOT GOD'S TESTIMONY, rather it is
but your interpretation, David.
Sorry, Lance. I wish I was that smart to figure this out, but I am not.
This is God's testimony concerning us, not mine. Read
Were you under the misapprehension David, that John though obedience a BAD
thing?
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John wrote:
The works-salvationists
John in the past has seen obedience and what he calls
"works salvation" as one and
the same. jt
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 11:35:46 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes: Were you under the misapprehension David, that John though
obedience a BAD thing?
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL
John wrote:
Interesting response. You, David quote from a
book that BEGINS with teaching the continued
sinfulness of man as a fact.
Wrong, John. Go back and read the beginning of John's letter. He BEGINS
with teaching the perfection found in the Word of life. He then continues
with:
John wrote:
I John 3:14 speaks of the love brother for brother
- not sin. I am surprised at you on this one, David.
You do not understand the relationship between love and sin? Sin simply
defines for us what love is not. When we love our brother, we do not sin
against them. When we sin
On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 11:03:16 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy -- rather than lobbing bombs at BT --
Noone is
lobbing bombs to anyone from my
computerJD - imagination gone
wildI suppose.
why not state your disagreement and offeryour
I am guessing that you see a differing way of speaking about the same thing!?? Sorry you get confused with who said what.
Jd-Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:28:34 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible
: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the
Bible
This is not a joke! It's similar but not the same
as you Judy.
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From:
David Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: July 06, 2005 10:25
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus
Lance wrote:
... every act of teaching is an act of interpreting.
This one is included. I don't know why you fail
to apprehend this.
I don't have a problem with this statement, but that is not the same thing
as saying that all interpretations are in error, nor is it the same as
saying that
Lance wrote:
Were you under the misapprehension David,
that John though obedience a BAD thing?
No, I am under the impression that John thinks my insistence upon the
believer being obedient is a bad thing, and that from his newly articulated
perspective, people are going to grow up fine no
ul 2005 10:51:48 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible
John wrote:
The works-salvationists on this forum (including
our Mormon friends -- that's right, you
[deegan, JT and DM] and the Mormons only
argue about different rules and doctrines while
refusing to see that your frame of
Wow! I've never read John to have been saying that. Might you illustrate
from John?
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible
Lance wrote:
Were you under
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Jul 2005 10:51:48 -0400Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible
John wrote:
The works-salvationists on this forum (including
our Mormon friends -- that's right, you
[deegan,
ubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible
John wrote:
I John 3:14 speaks of the love brother for brother
- not sin. I am surprised at you on this one, David.
You do not understand the relationship between love and sin? Sin simply
defines for us what love is not. When we love our brot
John wrote:
What I understand are these words :
We know that we have passed out of death
into life because we love the brethren.
He who does not love abides in death.
Good! What about four verses before this one? Do you understand them and
their relationship to this passage that you say
In a message dated 7/4/2005 11:01:34 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blaine
wrote: If the bible is not a perfect instrument, then the BoM
or a similar book revealed from heaven must be needed.Point
well taken that we consider the Bible "perfect," but it appears
Blaine: I think you may have batted one to right field, with me out
in left field, too far away to "catch" it. :) Sorry.
In a message dated 7/4/2005 11:53:06 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blaine, At the time the King James Version
was translated it is
From: Bill Taylor
Judy writes Then I would ask - What does this
participation look like in a person's every day life?
A right kind of obedience comes to mind. The truth is, Judy, you and certain others have mischaracterized our
position so many times that you
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