Bob, we are presented with a complex puzzle. A solution requires
testing possibilities against what is observed. A solution is made
difficult if mechanisms are proposed that can not be tasted. For
example, spin coupling can not be tested against what is known and, in
addition, it is not
From: Edmund Storms
Bob, we are presented with a complex puzzle. A solution requires testing
possibilities against what is observed. A solution is made difficult if
mechanisms are proposed that cannot be tested. For example, spin coupling
can not be tested against what is known and, in
From: Jones Beene
.it is far worse to attempt to rationalize a mechanism which we know for
sure cannot work, like P+P fusion to deuterium.
Essentially this explanation is dead-in-the-water on two fronts - the lack
of tritium, which must be there if the reaction can fuse two protons,
Storms
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2014 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
Bob, we are presented with a complex puzzle. A solution requires testing
possibilities against what is observed. A solution is made difficult
On Feb 8, 2014, at 10:13 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
From: Edmund Storms
Bob, we are presented with a complex puzzle. A solution requires
testing possibilities against what is observed. A solution is made
difficult if mechanisms are proposed that cannot be tested. For
example, spin
From: Edmund Storms
Bob, we are presented with a complex puzzle. A solution requires testing
possibilities against what is observed. A solution is made difficult if
mechanisms are proposed that cannot be tested. For example, spin coupling
can not be tested against what is known and, in
On Feb 8, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
From: Edmund Storms
Bob, we are presented with a complex puzzle. A solution requires
testing possibilities against what is observed. A solution is made
difficult if mechanisms are proposed that cannot be tested. For
example, spin
Jones--Bob Cook here--
I saw that mention also and planned to follow up to address some of Ed concerns
about it not being possible.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Jones Beene
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2014 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:MIT Course
From: Edmund Storms
* Deuterium fusing from protons can be ruled out.
How is this ruled out? You only provide assertions.
No, I provide two facts from the Rossi experiments. No gamma. No tritium.
These are facts, not
On Feb 8, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
From: Edmund Storms
* Deuterium fusing from protons can be ruled out.
How is this ruled out? You only provide assertions.
No, I provide two facts from the Rossi experiments.
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
No, I provide two facts from the Rossi experiments. No gamma. No tritium.
... These are facts, not assertions.
Jones, your analysis is often insightful. But here you're stating facts,
and then implying assumptions on the
On Feb 8, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
wrote:
No, I provide two facts from the Rossi experiments. No gamma. No
tritium. ... These are facts, not assertions.
Jones, your analysis is often insightful. But here
From: Eric Walker
I provide two facts from the Rossi experiments. No gamma. No tritium. ... These
are facts, not assertions.
[snip] You assume that d+d fusion will result in a gamma, and then when no
gamma is seen, you assume that d+d fusion in NiH is not possible. You have
assumed
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The risk/reward situation is such that 99% or four nines for leakage is not
nearly good enough. One cannot simply propose the leap that goes all the
way from partial fractionation to complete blockage.
That is precisely
From: Eric Walker
Jones Beene wrote:
The risk/reward situation is such that 99% or four nines for
leakage is not nearly good enough. One cannot simply propose the leap that
goes all the way from partial fractionation to complete
Let me see if I understand your position, Jones. You believe the
behavior using deuterium has no relationship to the behavior when H is
used. You believe nature has several ways to initiate LENR depending
on which isotope of hydrogen is used, with the mechanism for D only
working in Pd
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Fri, 7 Feb 2014 22:05:07 -0800:
Hi Eric,
[snip]
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
I think you have the decay scheme for Ni-59 wrong. It has a 76,000 year
half life and decays by electron capture as you said.
It's
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms
Let me see if I understand your position, Jones. You believe the behavior
using deuterium has no relationship to the behavior when H is used.
No relationship is too strong. After all, both involve hydrogen loaded
metal and QM. But the assessment
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
However, I am not convinced that PdD works this way, and frankly - it is a
diversion to even bring it up for now, since it detracts from the really
important issue - which is the proper understanding of the Rossi effect.
Thanks Jones, you make our difference in approach very clear. In
contrast, I assume all LENR results from the same process regardless
of which isotope of hydrogen is used or which metal lattice contains
the NAE. Of course, different nuclear products result from D and H,
and different
@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2014 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
No, I provide two facts from the Rossi experiments. No gamma. No tritium.
... These are facts, not assertions
I am not going to try to quote who and what from this thread regarding
fractionating gammas (too long of a story line now).
What I have come to believe and what I initially missed, and what I think
many Vorts may be missing in this, is that the LENR reaction and the
fractionating are not two
Hi Eric,
I have made progress and have constructed a new reactor optimized to allow
low energy photons to escape. These would be unmistakable signatures of
LENR without having to be so optimized to show excess heat to the extent it
proves a nuclear source. I have seen transient heat bursts and
--once the quantum system was properly stimulated.
Bob
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From: Edmund Storms
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2014 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
On Feb 8, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Eric
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
However there was no apparent gamma radiation associated with the major
reaction of 2 D's going to He-4, only the evidence of large melted areas in
the Pd electrode and no apparent kinetic energy associated with those
Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2014 5:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
However, I am not convinced that PdD works this way, and frankly - it is a
diversion to even bring it up for now, since it detracts from
that happened in their Pd-D unshielded cell.
Bob
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From: Bob Higgins
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Bob Higgins
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2014 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
I am not going to try to quote who and what from
IMHO grain size and geometry of these other alloys as powders will have a
major effect on their LENR activity.
Fran
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 5:16 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
From
[mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 5:50 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook
Also I suspect that the nano Ni that is produced is pretty pure. That
may be why Rossi uses
From: Roarty, Francis X
Bob,
Much discussion regarding micro “tubule” geometry of
Rossi powders leads many of us to consider the hair like protrusions as
forming nano geometry between the grains as they pack to form a bulk powder.
morphing through some kind of process of entropy
I think you are right, Vacuum = Entropy = Uncertainty!
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Does anyone have the citation for Rossi's
As Eric realizes, this is a critical issue for anyone wanting to replicated
Rossi.
In fact, the material shown in the previous image, could indeed be called
“micron sized” and one would not be dishonest. However the importance of hollow
nickel tube could be the sine qua non of the Rossi
Rossi has stated that he starts with 10 micron sized particles (since
identified as a nickel powder produced from the carbonyl process), adds a
catalyst (widely believed to be a nanopowder of some kind), and processes
the mix in a way that leads to amplified tubercles on the surface.
A search of
Ah. tubercles instead of tubules . Thanks Bob
From: Bob Higgins
Rossi has stated that he starts with 10 micron sized particles (since
identified as a nickel powder produced from the carbonyl process), adds a
catalyst (widely believed to be a nanopowder of some kind), and processes
the
, February 06, 2014 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
Also I suspect that the nano Ni that is produced is pretty pure. That may
be why Rossi uses it and may be the reason other researchers do
is
questionable.
Bob
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From: Bob Higgins
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Bob Higgins
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
Rossi has stated that he starts with 10 micron sized particles (since
Fran--
I agree fully.
Bob Cook
- Original Message -
From: Roarty, Francis X
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 5:36 AM
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
IMHO grain size and geometry of these other alloys as powders
I believe that some fractionation must be taking place, but not to phonons.
Phonons are contra-indicated by the experimental evidence. Phonons
dissipate rapidly to heat with a decay constant that is based on the
acoustic velocity. This means that the temperature will be extremely high
near the
.) A null radioactivity essay
would be revealing as to the process actually occurring in the Ni-
hydrogen reactions.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Eric Walker
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
On Thu, Feb 6
Agreed. The issue of a nearly complete lack of transmutation in many types
of Ni-H is revealing. It narrows the range of possible energetic reactions
which are possible, given that everything else probably conforms to normal
physics.
In some experiments (Piantelli) has shown far more
Message -
From: Edmund Storms
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
Bob and Eric, the issue of transmutation is basic to understanding LENR.
First of all, transmutation has a very high
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Does anyone have the citation for Rossi’s nickel lattice having “tubules”?
Cannot find it. But check this out.
Yes, please. If anyone has a reference to Rossi using nickel with
tubules, nanotubules, nanohairs, etc.,
@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
Bob and Eric, the issue of transmutation is basic to understanding LENR.
First of all, transmutation has a very high barrier requiring an explanation of
how this can
- Original Message -
From: Edmund Storms
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
Bob and Eric, the issue of transmutation is basic to understanding LENR.
First of all
There was a throw-away line in McKubre's interview with Sterling Allen -- he
pointed across the lab and said he was doing a fundamental experiment on phonon
interactions with Hagelstein. Maybe there'll be some real data points.
07, 2014 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
Bob and Eric, the issue of transmutation is basic to understanding
LENR. First of all, transmutation has a very high barrier requiring
an explanation of how this can be overcome. Second, the resulting
energy has
Subject: Re: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
Bob and Eric, the issue of transmutation is basic to understanding
LENR. First of all, transmutation has a very high barrier requiring
an explanation of how this can be overcome. Second, the resulting
energy has to be dissipated in ways known
Subject: Re: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
On Feb 7, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Bob Cook wrote:
Ed--
One simple question--In all the Ni-H systems has there been a good
evaluation of the residuel radioactivity?
Bob, evidence shows that when Pd or Ni experience transmutation
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote:
Rossi has stated that he starts with 10 micron sized particles (since
identified as a nickel powder produced from the carbonyl process), adds a
catalyst (widely believed to be a nanopowder of some kind), and processes
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
1. Is Rossi separating Ni isotopes for the Ni he uses in the reactor?
This would be expensive.
I can only imagine. I'm not sure how one would go about enriching select
isotopes of nickel. Perhaps they have sufficiently
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Agreed. The issue of a “nearly complete lack” of transmutation in many
types of Ni-H is revealing.
Rossi has claimed this:
THE AMOUNT OF COPPER WE FIND AFTER 6 MONTHS OF OPERATION IS OF ORDERS OF
MAGNITUDE MORE THAT THE
is distributed to the rest of the system.
Bob Cook
- Original Message -
From: Edmund Storms
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
On Feb 7, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Bob Cook wrote:
Ed
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
NO copper isotopes are formed. The detected copper has normal isotopic
composition, which is not possible to produce from transmutation. I suspect
copper results from contamination by materials in the cell.
You may
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Even adding a p to Ni requires about 6 MeV be dissipated. I know of no
example of this much energy being transferred by any kind of coupling
mechanism. Do you?
That is the question that once answered will win someone
Yes Rossi did promote Ni-Cu at one time, but it is not his current spiel.
AFAIK – since the death of Focardi, Rossi no longer strongly promotes any
theory for gain - but it may still be on his blog. Kullander also admitted
the copper found was of natural isotope distribution.
Copper is well-known
Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
*Sent:* Friday, February 07, 2014 2:34 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
On Feb 7, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Bob Cook wrote:
Ed--Bob Cook here--
Another question is if D is formed in the Ni-H system as you propose, why
not the generation of He-4
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
1. Is Rossi separating Ni isotopes for the Ni he uses in the reactor?
This would be expensive.
I can only
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
I think you have the decay scheme for Ni-59 wrong. It has a 76,000 year
half life and decays by electron capture as you said.
It's good that you seem to know your way around these nuclear transitions.
That makes you and
I wrote:
I'm thinking of this reaction:
https://www-nds.iaea.org/exfor/servlet/X4sSearch5?reacc=28-NI-62(P%2CG)29-CU-63%2C%2CSIG
Sorry, that should have been:
https://www-nds.iaea.org/exfor/servlet/X4sSearch5?reacc=28-NI-58(P%2CG)29-CU-59%2C%2CSIG
Eric
: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
I think you have the decay scheme for Ni-59 wrong. It has a 76,000 year
half life and decays by electron capture as you said.
It's good that you seem to know your way around
]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
I wrote:
I'm thinking of this reaction:
https://www-nds.iaea.org/exfor/servlet/X4sSearch5?reacc=28-NI-62(P%2CG)29-CU-63%2C%2CSIG
Sorry, that should have been:
https://www-nds.iaea.org/exfor/servlet/X4sSearch5?reacc=28-NI-58(P%2CG)29-CU-59
Alan--
I watched the Hagelstein 5th day lecture last night. With respect to the
NiH system some of his optic and sonic coupling arguments went over my head.
I did understand the electron shielding argument associated with overcoming
the coulomb repulsion issue in the Ni matrix. Its not
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
I would be surprised that Focardi did not monitor He-3 and/or H-3, for the
same reason Hagelstein indicated interest in He-3 production in the NiH
experiments.
Bob
Hagelstein said that detecting a He-3 signal with a
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook
My thoughts : since H doesn't easily diffuse into Ni (Unlike D in Pd) it's
more likely to be a surface effect.
Perhaps - but misleading. Pure nickel is not a great proton conductor- and one
must pay dearly to get pure nickel. But why?
It takes
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook
My thoughts : since H doesn't easily diffuse into Ni (Unlike D in Pd)
it's more likely to be a surface effect.
Perhaps - but misleading. Pure nickel is not a great proton
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Perhaps - but misleading. Pure nickel is not a great proton conductor- and
one must pay dearly to get pure nickel. But why?
It takes only a small amount of selected other metals, as alloying agents
for nickel, to far exceed palladium. For instance, 95%
He-3.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: H Veeder
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
I would be surprised
From: Jed Rothwell
Superior for what? Conducting protons? Surely not for loading hydrogen. I
have never heard that.
Surely you read Ahern's Arata replication for EPRI ?
He achieved better loading than the standard of 1:1 with nickel-palladium
alloy (at low Pd ratio in the alloy).
stimulate a quantum system with fixed input frequencies, various
crystals and impurities may not help.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 5:00 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook
My thoughts : since H doesn't easily diffuse into Ni (Unlike D in Pd)
it's more likely to be a surface
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Surely you read Ahern's Arata replication for EPRI ?
He achieved better loading than the standard of 1:1 with nickel-palladium
alloy (at low Pd ratio in the alloy).
Hmmm . . . I ascribe that to the small particle size. I assume the hydrogen
is
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook
* Also I suspect that the nano Ni that is produced is pretty pure.
That may be why Rossi uses it …
Not sure that I follow this. Although the Rossi patent mentions nanometric
and specifically a favored isotope - Rossi himself has identified his
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
Also I suspect that the nano Ni that is produced is pretty pure. That may
be why Rossi uses it and may be the reason other researchers do not have
very good luck at getting a good reaction.
I'm guessing that the purity
I wrote:
Hmmm . . . I ascribe that to the small particle size. I assume the
hydrogen is sticking to the surface, not being absorbed the way it is with
bulk palladium.
I mean it is adsorbed rather than absorbed. Further, I meant that palladium
particles will also adsorb large amounts -- I
1:50+- Phonon/Accoustic coupling should be about 8Thz -- compare with the
recent
discussion about Bushnell's 5-30Thz stimulation
(Actually I couldn't see Bushnell saying that)
I viewed it again, and couldn't hear a specific frequency mentioned.
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Particularly day 5 Hagelstein
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=Al7NMQLvATo
Interesting video. I have always been a little mystified by Peter
Hagelstein's theory. My understanding is that in its current
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