Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-11 Thread Anders Wennersten
There are many of us on this list who have given the feedback we find that expression offensive and unacceptable. Do not forget the readers of this list comes from may different cultures and if you and the people close to you find it "acceptable" it is not a valid judgment for all, and why do

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-10 Thread Anders Wennersten
I want to echo Jackies two mail The community for svwp is not so big and complicated issues on conduct are uncommon. But when they occur we often get caught in argument like " you who claim to decide over svwp CoC are just a small kabal of some 10-120 admins, you are unrepresentative and the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal Code of Conduct Drafting Committee - Call for participation

2020-07-31 Thread Anders Wennersten
one I saw, which took place on Meta, was, again, a very firm "No". Off-wiki backchanneling stuff doesn't count. Todd On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:18 AM Anders Wennersten < m...@anderswennersten.se> wrote: The development of the Code of Conduct is part of the Strategy.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal Code of Conduct Drafting Committee - Call for participation

2020-07-31 Thread Anders Wennersten
which took place on Meta, was, again, a very firm "No". Off-wiki backchanneling stuff doesn't count. Todd On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:18 AM Anders Wennersten wrote: The development of the Code of Conduct is part of the Strategy. The strategy and this part was endorsed by some 700 individua

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal Code of Conduct Drafting Committee - Call for participation

2020-07-31 Thread Anders Wennersten
The development of the Code of Conduct is part of the Strategy. The strategy and this part was endorsed by some 700 individuals representing more or less all parts of the Movement. And that group is the closest we have seen resembling a government body of the movement. But as in a democracy,

[Wikimedia-l] Community open letter on renaming

2020-06-29 Thread Anders Wennersten
I want to express my gratitude to the people who have put up this letter on meta [1) I see it as a much more professional way of expressing movement opinions, then the usual Rfc's (that also already exist related to the 2030 movement brand project). I do like that both entities (Affiliates,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] June 4 1800 Maggie Dennis office hour (with a twist)

2020-06-05 Thread Anders Wennersten
I agree. youtube  (+zoom) and chat worked very well. I still had problem follow all that being said, and would like the "black" notice to have been used more and show (just a few seconds) the question being discussed. And besides applauds for Maggie being straight forward, I also want to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: The recommendations are now online

2020-05-12 Thread Anders Wennersten
I find this final version much easier to get to grips with, both in language and structure/content. And to condense it into 10 recommendations instead of 13 complemented with 10 principles is a big improvement. It is a great base on which to build our "new" movement, and I expect it will be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Finalizing the recommendations and further process

2020-04-30 Thread Anders Wennersten
Is there a more definite date when the final recommendations will be published (as April is over in a few hours time)? Anders Den 2020-03-25 kl. 18:57, skrev Nicole Ebber: Hi everyone, I wanted to share some updates from movement strategy with you. We are currently integrating feedback into

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Summary of the Brand Project presentation

2020-04-18 Thread Anders Wennersten
I have a background in a telecom supplier, and we were proud to talk of us "connecting people" and with 5G (where things also gets connected) "interconenctivity" would be a great brand concept for that company. But for Wikimedia I have never felt this as a relevant brandconcept. To "share and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-02-26 Thread Anders Wennersten
In our case the a few volunteers running (organizing) edit-a-thons, met with a few key persons who patrollers to discuss the dilemma. And so changes and new variants for the patrollers work were introduced, at the same time as the introduction to newbees by  volunteers was somewhat changed.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-02-26 Thread Anders Wennersten
We are a small version that welcome all contributions that enhance value. So we do not use coi to say no, we only use coi when people enter biased  statements, or get angry when their contributions gets neutralized. And we do not use templates in those cases, we do not even have ones, we only

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-21 Thread Anders Wennersten
Sometimes I wonder if we really belong to the same movement or even live on the same planet. A wonderful work has been done with the recomendations, and the end result looks very fine, with only a few minor comments needed as far as I can see.  And I believe whatever we think of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations and community conversations launching next week

2020-01-14 Thread Anders Wennersten
The people who has written the forthcoming recommendations, have been engaged for around two years, and they have spend manmonths of dedicated work. It is not realistic to believe that an outsider (as we others now are) can substantially change any of the recommendations. We can though give

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Synthesizing the recommendations and next steps

2019-11-19 Thread Anders Wennersten
What is the current status? The final version of recommendation should have been completed by November 1, I can not find any published A new working group should have been formed in order to synthesizing the 89recommendations. Is it formed and who are its members Are there any more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Board of Wikimedia Canada

2019-10-22 Thread Anders Wennersten
Den 2019-10-21 kl. 17:39, skrev Jean-Philippe Béland: Wikimedia Canada is proud to have a majority of women on its Board. We believe that we are the only Wikimedia chapter in this situation, please correct me if I'm wrong. Well, WMSE has had a majority of women on its board since March 2015,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation joins the global climate strike

2019-09-23 Thread Anders Wennersten
For work groups experience tells a first meting IRL to get to know each other is necessary, but after that video conference works well. For big events, why not have groups (40-50 persons) get together on local level with excellent on-line facilities (wide screens etc) that connects to all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Anders Wennersten
I want to express my appreciation for the work being done and the result. I am not able to get to grips with all parts of the recommendation but as I understand there are two key messages: *To distribute  many of the function now at WMF in SF to different locations in the world (whereof 50%

[Wikimedia-l] Distr game on Wikidata

2019-08-04 Thread Anders Wennersten
Since end of June I am following closely (via Listerialists) all changes in Wikdata on the 15000 object i have created and have special interest in. They are about adm units in Sweden, mostly historical and I had not anticipated any big amount of change., But in reality there are lots, 10-30 a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-07-06 Thread Anders Wennersten
I see the main and most important trend just now is the broad usage and introduction  of Wikidata in strengthening and extending Wikipedia content. And Wikidata works against deletionism. All Pokemons shall have separate WD objects, independency how it is in Wikipedia articles. And as WD is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-14 Thread Anders Wennersten
+1 We need to make a reality that Wikipedia workspace is without langauge that intimidate users. Anders Den 2019-06-14 kl. 14:45, skrev camelia boban: I quote David and Isaac. Harassment is a serious thing and hounding another user is out of any wiki behavior. Before asking why WMF has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-13 Thread Anders Wennersten
In our community (Swedish) we embrace Wikidata wholeheartedly and we have found solution to take care of vandalism. Literialist, show changes on Wikidata on Wikipedia etc. I believe it is more an attitude issue then a technical one. I agree with earlier comments that English Wikipedia is not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [strategy process] Fwd: I decided to leave the working group

2019-03-28 Thread Anders Wennersten
There is a Swedish expression "har man tagit fan i båten får man ro honom i land" (If you have taken the devil into your boat you must row him ashore" Independent if this process has been bad or not, I see it is as just some six month left of it. And it is important to do the best of it. It

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata now officially has more total edits than English language Wikipedia

2019-03-20 Thread Anders Wennersten
In my experience we are now leaving Phase one of filling Wikidata with basic data. This first phase involved many botcreated items and wellmeaning semi-manual mass updates. This has resulted in many problems. Bots that is filling wrong Item,  with same name but a different object, creating

[Wikimedia-l] Wikidata used by other then Wikipedia

2019-01-31 Thread Anders Wennersten
We are now experiencing a couple of cases where third party uses data from Wikidata to create user interface of  data from it without any use of Wikipedia, to support their own systems. One is a genealogy website, who use Wikidata to present where parish having genealogy records can be found

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-30 Thread Anders Wennersten
. For an extreme case, [[World War II]] gets *five* long paragraphs for its intro section. - d. On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 at 10:57, Anders Wennersten wrote: In my little duckpond (svwp) we have guidleines for the introduction part of the article. It should use (simple) language to enable 14-16 years old

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-30 Thread Anders Wennersten
In my little duckpond (svwp) we have guidleines for the introduction part of the article. It should use (simple) language to enable 14-16 years old to understand it (while the rest can use more complicated vocabulary) It should hopefully only be 1-3 sentences, and to state what is all about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] REMINDER: Invitation to the October 2018 Wikimedia Monthly Activities Meeting: Thursday, October 25th, 18:00 UTC

2018-10-26 Thread Anders Wennersten
I disagree. For me it is perfect. I get the impulse to get in and I know if I am busy with other things. Reminder of something in the future get lost otherwise. Anders Den 2018-10-26 kl. 10:22, skrev Fæ: Saw this message today. Almost all readers of this list will find a broadcasted 30

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

2018-07-24 Thread Anders Wennersten
As I see it the strategy process is run for the functionaries in the movement and by them. People with focus on contributing to the projects are not involved, when volunteers is mentioned it is mostly people running worskhops for beginners etc, a kind of semi functionaries, not the hard core

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF

2018-06-10 Thread Anders Wennersten
James, I think you yourself earlier today put forwards a possible first step in this direction. Support a group of people working "at the front" in neutralizing paid editing and other bad editing, by giving them possiblity to meet IRL, and why not at a session commited to this issue at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF

2018-06-10 Thread Anders Wennersten
I can agree with most what you write Yaroslav, but I want also to remind the scenario that started this issue. I believe we are in a process of worsening deterioration of the content in our major project (Enwp,dewp etc). This as the rewards to enter biased info in these are getting higher as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are we losing out against bad editing?

2018-06-01 Thread Anders Wennersten
I fully support Micrus summary and comments, I see it them very up to the point I raised in my first input in this thread. And while I see this as a general problem for all versions/projects, I can see that a start on enwp would make sense. It has the biggest number of edits but also being

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are we losing out against bad editing?

2018-05-26 Thread Anders Wennersten
My own reflection reading this discussion is that there is a difference between vandalism and POV pushing. For vandalism we have better routines in place and also tools like ORES, and also a system of steward who can acts in cases of crosswikivandals For Pov pushing and especially cross wiki

[Wikimedia-l] Are we losing out against bad editing?

2018-05-25 Thread Anders Wennersten
My main worry, during my daily patrolling, is if we manage to neutralize the bad editing (vandalism, POV pushing) or if the destructive editing is slowly successfully degenerating the great content we have created in our projects. In todays Sign-post it indicates an accelerating rate of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fake news

2018-04-27 Thread Anders Wennersten
We have the latest propaganda issue from Russia (gazprom and a troll company), that has been accepted in around 50 wikipedia versions. I see this not only as propaganda but also fake news https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19960532 Anders Den 2018-04-27 kl. 16:26, skrev Devouard (gmail): Hi I

[Wikimedia-l] Avicii

2018-04-22 Thread Anders Wennersten
His death caused 11,7 m accesses to his article in the last two days, 14 versions with more then 10 accesses (enwp 5,7 M). Impressive figures showing how global artists are nowadays, and how natural it is to look into Wikipedia when things happen Anders

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

2018-03-06 Thread Anders Wennersten
Are you aware of the huge difference in bureaucracy on the different language versions? Of course a more elaborate set of written rules is needed where there are many users, then what is needed where the number of contributors are fewer. But even on an smaller language version like "mine"

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-25 Thread Anders Wennersten
I am very happy to follow this thread as I believe it is addressing a very relevant issue. In my mind we can divide up the different language version into 5 categories: 1.Enwp, 2.the next 6-7 (de,fr, es,jp,pt,ru..) 3.the next 20 or so, where the basic workprocesses are applied 4.the next

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lower page views

2018-01-25 Thread Anders Wennersten
2017).pdf On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 2:55 AM, Anders Wennersten <m...@anderswennersten.se> wrote: We are seeing a steady decrease of page views to our projects (Wikipedia). Nov-Dec-Jan it is decreasing in a rate of 5-10% (year-year), and for big languages like Japanese, Spanish close to 10

[Wikimedia-l] Lower page views

2018-01-23 Thread Anders Wennersten
We are seeing a steady decrease of page views to our projects (Wikipedia). Nov-Dec-Jan it is decreasing in a rate of 5-10% (year-year), and for big languages like Japanese,  Spanish close to 10%, or some months even more  [1] Is there any insights of why this is so? Could it be that Google

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Anders Wennersten
WMSE has run programs with this focus for more then 3 years on svwp. The result have been roughly 2-3 generated more then 1000 articles 15-25 generated more then 100 articles 100-200 more then 10 articles around 500 at least one giving a total of a bit more the 1 new articles of women. And

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New beta feature: Syntax Highlighting!

2017-08-24 Thread Anders Wennersten
Thanks, it is a great feature! Especially to easily find the Ref tags. And it work just fine for me, technically. Anders Den 2017-08-23 kl. 20:41, skrev Danny Horn: Hi everyone, I've got some good news -- wikitext syntax highlighting is live again, and I'm almost completely sure it's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimédia France - informations sur la situation actuelle

2017-07-13 Thread Anders Wennersten
I LOVE the Wikipedia way of working - result-oriented, respectful dialogues around facts I HATE power-games and misuse of given authority, both in general in life and especially in the Wikimedia movement I ADMIRE the functionaries in France who have stood firm in their own integrity and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Anders Wennersten
I do hope WMF taken NO action. We have learnt by similar cases, that the local communities(chapters) haves best insight in how to best proceed. And things would evolve to be much worse if an non-turkish entity was to take action Anders Den 2017-04-29 kl. 12:45, skrev Rogol Domedonfors:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-06 Thread Anders Wennersten
This basic issue has for many years been a "hot" issue in Sweden. And the use of the words "han" (he/his) and "hon" (she/her) has become a minefield. And to use "him and her" to mean all type of persons is just not acceptable (what about all who want to use other attributes to define

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Code of Conduct in force?

2017-03-06 Thread Anders Wennersten
We have 61000 editors that made more the 5 edits last month and 8800 making more then 100 edits. Last election to the Board attracted 5500 voters. These figures gives a magnitude of the numbers in the community. The number of active on this list are around 50-100, and normal participations

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Positions open for strategy coordinator contractors.

2017-01-31 Thread Anders Wennersten
Re: the Swedish Wikipedia is mostly just bot-created articles. There are around 620 000 all manually created. Of the botcreated "seed" articles over 20 have been extended by manual effort, enabling us to for example have proper articles on all mammals in the world, all birds, all lakes in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

2017-01-27 Thread Anders Wennersten
Anna, I am surprised at your pessimism I see cases over and over again how we "find a way to turn our culture toward more generative and constructive forms of public discourse" See how our Armenian friends is doing wonders turning their closest surrounding into being open in a very tough

Re: [Wikimedia-l] English Fundraiser Update

2016-12-22 Thread Anders Wennersten
Thanks for this info and decision! And very many thanks to you and your team making such a marvellous job with the fundraising. We are not only reaching our goal in record time, but also getting very good press for the professionalism for the the campaign and its messages Anders Den

Re: [Wikimedia-l] English Fundraiser Update

2016-12-16 Thread Anders Wennersten
It seems the whole world is full of spreading lies nowadays. I feel very sad that now even we are following this trend If we stated we would stop when the target was met, so we should stop when the target was met Anders who are commited to spread correct facts through Wikipedia, as a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Board: Vacant appointed seats and Turnover (Was: Personal Update)

2016-11-05 Thread Anders Wennersten
My experience from following the board of WMSE several years, and where we now have two years terms is First year is a learning phase where you more listen then participate Second year most get more involved and find it very stimulated to be in the Board Third year some get very active,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A new Wikipedia fork: InfoGalactic

2016-10-12 Thread Anders Wennersten
outhwood <peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> ha scritto: Wikitrivia? Cheers, P -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Anders Wennersten Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2016 12:16 PM To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: R

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A new Wikipedia fork: InfoGalactic

2016-10-11 Thread Anders Wennersten
I think this initiative point to a weakness in our approach, that is worth discussing, independent if just this will be anything or not. In our version we have somewhat lower quality demand then enwp, and we can also be more pragmatic and handle cases individually, but still one of our most

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thinking outside the box

2016-09-06 Thread Anders Wennersten
I am very happy how this nowadays works out. We have now a lot of chapters, each with a Board. And here the members are not oldtimers and here is the appropriate first place to get into the Wikmedia world. And there are many bodies who you can then turn to to get further into the Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2016 call for Board Governance Committee Volunteer and Advisory members [results]

2016-08-16 Thread Anders Wennersten
I joined the movement in 2007. I was then overwhelmed by the beauty and strength of the concept and the content in the projects. But at the same time I was underwhelmed by the support structure behind. Even if Delphine and Brion were good in talking with everyone and fixing technique and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to communicate compassionately with non-native English speakers

2016-07-07 Thread Anders Wennersten
Very good and also very accurate. It reminds it also works the other way. When I was in Australia 1979 discussing a delicate project proposal, I stated "to resolve this we need to have ice in the stomach " and getting a big question mark on everyone's face as a response. Iit seemed this well

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

2016-06-28 Thread Anders Wennersten
I have been active in FDC and followed closely all applicants. It works very well when it comes to promote small affiliates to grow in a controlled way and ensuring that money is spent wisely. The FDC, though, demand an elaborate plan, and application, which can be (too) hard as a first step

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Harassment and blaming the victim

2016-06-07 Thread Anders Wennersten
I fully agree with Risker. I feel this discussion is only (mainly) looking at enwp. Harassment probably exist on all versions but the seriously of the issue look very differently. Being the most active user and sysop on a smaller version (svwp) I do not recognize the issues being discussed.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on WMF Governance reviews

2016-06-04 Thread Anders Wennersten
Den 2016-06-03 kl. 21:35, skrev Michael Peel: On 3 June 2016 at 03:19, Anders Wennersten <m...@anderswennersten.se> wrote: 3.The composition of the Board, mandates given to members of the Board and by whom, formal relation between the Board and the stakeholders of our movement, is a co

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on WMF Governance reviews

2016-06-02 Thread Anders Wennersten
Den 2016-06-02 kl. 20:07, skrev Nathan: To Anders' point, perhaps not all insights offered will be new to everyone. Perhaps unwise of me. I state here what I would expect to come out of such an audit/review (and I do not write this to start a heated discussion, I could be very wrong, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on WMF Governance reviews

2016-06-02 Thread Anders Wennersten
Thanks for your feedback. I think it import we have a realistic view on what a governance review/audit can accomplish. My experience on running audits/reviews resembles what you write. A lot of the result will most probably be long bits of text, stating thing that is already well known, like

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC Recommendations for 2015-2016 Round 2

2016-05-16 Thread Anders Wennersten
us to reach our vision Anders Den 2016-05-15 kl. 21:55, skrev Anders Wennersten: Thanks, for once, again a very thorough work done by FDC. I find it very encouraging to see that this committee is able to continue with its good quality in its assessments and also to see it growing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC Recommendations for 2015-2016 Round 2

2016-05-15 Thread Anders Wennersten
Thanks, for once, again a very thorough work done by FDC. I find it very encouraging to see that this committee is able to continue with its good quality in its assessments and also to see it growing as a role model in integrity and also truly representing the community in values and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Board update

2016-05-07 Thread Anders Wennersten
Den 2016-05-07 kl. 22:25, skrev Andreas Kolbe: On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: Regarding the community seat, I am in conversation with the Election Committee, which has narrowed it down to just a few options. We are going to finish this discussion

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Africa / Gender gaps (was Re: Gender gap on "classical" encyclopedias)

2016-04-21 Thread Anders Wennersten
On 21 April 2016 at 07:48, Anders Wennersten <m...@anderswennersten.se> wrote: Our traditional way of creating article is based on the interests of the contributors. This produces skewed total result, and this becomes more evident on a smaller version like svwp, then on bigger. We have lon

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Africa / Gender gaps (was Re: Gender gap on "classical" encyclopedias)

2016-04-20 Thread Anders Wennersten
Our traditional way of creating article is based on the interests of the contributors. This produces skewed total result, and this becomes more evident on a smaller version like svwp, then on bigger. We have long come to the conclusion that we will never be able to fill categories like towns

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What can we learn

2016-04-11 Thread Anders Wennersten
that), but they are selected from the community and I call them being community selected (but perhaps it is bad English) Anders Den 2016-04-11 kl. 13:13, skrev Andy Mabbett: On 9 April 2016 at 07:26, Anders Wennersten <m...@anderswennersten.se> wrote: this is the second community selected ITYM "communit

[Wikimedia-l] The option:Byelection soon

2016-04-11 Thread Anders Wennersten
My spontaneous reaction, like others in the Election Committee, when informed of Dennys resignation was to think a byelection, soon in time, would be the "natural" way to fill the empty seat. This is how it has been done earlier (even if now some years back) and while the appointment of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What can we learn

2016-04-09 Thread Anders Wennersten
Den 2016-04-09 kl. 12:51, skrev Fæ: leaving your seat should be made to appear like a royal abdication or the result of failure. Yes, another option to secure a continuity of members in the board would be to accept resignations will occur and then have the community election to end formally

[Wikimedia-l] What can we learn

2016-04-09 Thread Anders Wennersten
I, as all others, has full sympathy for Danny and find that he in his mail made an excellent explanation on how the situation made the option to resign the only reasonable way forward BUT this is the second community selected that has left the Board within a year after being appointed, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiwand

2016-03-31 Thread Anders Wennersten
? Anders Den 2016-03-31 kl. 19:19, skrev Dan Garry: On 30 March 2016 at 23:39, Anders Wennersten <m...@anderswennersten.se> wrote: What is WMFs position on Wikiwand [1]? There is no "official WMF position" on Wikiwand. The Wikimedia Foundation is quite a diverse collection o

[Wikimedia-l] Wikiwand

2016-03-31 Thread Anders Wennersten
What is WMFs position on Wikiwand [1]? is it a complement or a commercial run interface that is better that we can offer? Anders [1] http://www.wikiwand.com/about ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] User interaction on Wikipedia --call for submissions

2016-03-16 Thread Anders Wennersten
This is not he only case where I lately have observed a tendency to use words which is more or less unintelligent for non-English speaking people. The phrase "Inspire Campaign on content curation & review" includes a number of complicated words. I commented upon this [1] to Jethro who only

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-03-05 Thread Anders Wennersten
I second Delphines praise. I am also very glad to see that this being the fourth major decision taken by the Board this year (outing of James was done last year...) , and that they all have been very good and balanced. And even if valid wishes for quicker decisions is raised, I myself

[Wikimedia-l] Affiliate-selected Board seats-candidates

2016-03-02 Thread Anders Wennersten
There are now, five days before deadline, 7 candidates and all new names. Last time two years ago there were only two candidates before the very last days before deadline and both being existing Board members. It is very good to see so many competent candidates and representing a wider set of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a *volunteer* organization

2016-03-01 Thread Anders Wennersten
Den 2016-03-01 kl. 11:01, skrev David Emrany: The credibility of Wikipedia as a brand is going down the tubes rapidly as fresh scandals emerge with alarming frequency. More enemies of the movement are being created daily. We all live in different realities, so please be careful to indicate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

2016-02-26 Thread Anders Wennersten
Or perhaps a key problem is the recruitment process to the Board . Fort the community elected seats, wanted criteria were identified by the Board and clearly communicated (non-western, non English speakers) but was in practice ignores by the voters and where 3 out of the five getting most

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Katy Love to direct WMF Resources team

2016-02-25 Thread Anders Wennersten
Very glad to see this. Congrats to you Katy, you are already doing a excellent and impressive job and you will do even more of this in this new posititon I am happy also to read of some genuine good news coming out of the challanging times that we just have been through Anders Den

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-20 Thread Anders Wennersten
Reading an following this thread makes me feel profoundly sad. And the symptoms indicates for me that there is indeed something "rotten" going on. I feel deep sympathy for staff whose pain is seems to go very deep, and I would really want to help out to to ease the problems if it was in my

[Wikimedia-l] Simple English please! was The conversation is happening elsewhere :(

2016-02-17 Thread Anders Wennersten
I second this opinion, please remember we are many not having English as our mother language Also besides being all lost in the discussion of Knight grant application, I do not understand a word from the poem of Yates, neither do I understand the meaning of Aspen grove Please, please go

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Voting formula was Appointment of María Sefidari to Wikimedia Foundation Board

2016-01-30 Thread Anders Wennersten
My personal analysis comes to the conclusion that the voting formula/voting system needs to be redesigned before next election. The current one has serious flaws related to the oppose option. It is both open to "smart" voting (manipulation) and it also gives undue weight to the oppose option.

[Wikimedia-l] Voting formula was Appointment of María Sefidari to Wikimedia Foundation Board

2016-01-29 Thread Anders Wennersten
Actually the formula used (S/S+O) is from a ranking point identical to (S-O/S+O) (=(S-O)/(Total-Neutral). And the result would have been different if the formula (S-O)/Total had been used (Maria would have been in). So in some ways it was the Neutral votes who decided, or rather that the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-27 Thread Anders Wennersten
I agree that the Board need to be strengthened in competence related to cultural and personnel issues. I am also of the opinion that much of the discussion related to this issue is made in too harsh tone, and I am not fond of having an Rfc on the issue, intelligent dialogue is preferred to

[Wikimedia-l] Conclusions?

2016-01-11 Thread Anders Wennersten
In the very looong discussion re actions made by the Board, I want to high-light two comments been made.I see them as good summaries and hope they can be seen as conclusions and base to look into possible improvement in processes Anders On James removal 2016-01-10 kl. 09:04, by MZMcBride:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

2016-01-09 Thread Anders Wennersten
Very good point Chris. I also think it would be good to remember that WMF transformation from the "Superprotect disaster" to a very much appreciated 2015 Community Wishlist Survey. To go from an "inside-out" to an "outside-in" model in deciding what functionality to develop is a revolution.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2016-01-02 Thread Anders Wennersten
Den 2016-01-02 kl. 10:44, skrev Yaroslav M. Blanter: This is an interesting theoretical discussion, and I criticized WMF in the past on a number of occasions, but I feel necessary to emphasize that there is not a slightest indication at this time that they do not care about retaining the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why are we so boring?

2015-12-08 Thread Anders Wennersten
Do you imply boring is a bad thing? In a world more and more focusing on show and 10 seconds fame, I am proud and glad to be part of another type of society, where truth, reflection and serious discussions are at focus Donald Trump is one of the least boring people just now, but I would be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Join the community review of 11 annual plan grants proposals to the FDC

2015-10-09 Thread Anders Wennersten
:42, skrev Anders Wennersten: I have now reviewed these proposals (with the exception of WMDE, being too complex, and WMSE, due to COI). It is the fourth consecutive year I do this and most entities has been there all years. I want to share my general finding that there has been a major

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I'll be moving on

2015-10-08 Thread Anders Wennersten
It is almost on the day 8 years since Jan and I joined the first WMSE board. And while we were many getting the chapters up and running, Jan did in many ways play a crucial role. When we were in internal turmoil, it was Jan who stepped in and took care of the critical task and saved the day.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Join the community review of 11 annual plan grants proposals to the FDC

2015-10-08 Thread Anders Wennersten
I have now reviewed these proposals (with the exception of WMDE, being too complex, and WMSE, due to COI). It is the fourth consecutive year I do this and most entities has been there all years. I want to share my general finding that there has been a major improvement in most of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase in size of the core editing community

2015-09-11 Thread Anders Wennersten
In svwp we have noticed exactly the same trends, over the same timeframe. But as we are small we know what accounts etc are behind the number etc. As I wrote about a year ago, we have found that when an editor has made more the 38000 edits (the corresponding number for enwp seems to be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] LsJbot and geonames

2015-09-06 Thread Anders Wennersten
ile/1416/ Lsjbot, you have no chance to survive make your time. Il 06/09/2015 02:40, Anders Wennersten ha scritto: Geonames [1] is a database which holds around 9 M entries of geographical related items from all over the world. Lsjbot is now generating articles from a subset of it, afte

[Wikimedia-l] LsJbot and geonames

2015-09-05 Thread Anders Wennersten
Geonames [1] is a database which holds around 9 M entries of geographical related items from all over the world. Lsjbot is now generating articles from a subset of it, after several months of extensive research on its quality, Wikidata relations and notability issues. While the quality in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Future of Wikipedia

2015-07-15 Thread Anders Wennersten
Oh, the encyclopedias in books, my childhood love and betrayed love! I read encyclopedias as other read comic books, and even read books like statistical yearbooks, table per table And my sense of betrayal when I learnt that wile I thought I had learned knowledge I instead had in way learned

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-07 Thread Anders Wennersten
The figures for Cebano is: 20 M speakers (60th biggest language in world) and 13 active contributors (compare to Dutch 28 M speakers 1183 active) Waray-Waray has 3,1 M speakers 11 active contributors (but 4 new ones!) (compare to Slovene 2,4 M speakers, 141 active) Sverker (who runs

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-07 Thread Anders Wennersten
perspective. I am happy to see more data and to monitor them to know if this is a model to be replied but the numbers are not really supportive. Regards Il 07/Lug/2015 13:12, Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se ha scritto: What gives you the right to be judgemental how they act on their version

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-07 Thread Anders Wennersten
What gives you the right to be judgemental how they act on their version? Is that your idea of the movement values and vision, to talk badly of other efforts? and I know for a fact they did not to this to get into this list you are upset of. It is untrue when you state like this which have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-06 Thread Anders Wennersten
The 1,2+ M articles on species generated by LsjBot from COL (CatalogueOfLife) was completed in September 2014. Now under way by Lsjbot is generation of geographic entities from GeoNames [1]. Still being in an early phase and there is a lot to look into like the links to Wikidata. A testrun

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in Engineering leadership

2015-07-03 Thread Anders Wennersten
Quim Gil skrev den 2015-07-03 14:27: I think that if there would be a good candidate for a VP of Engineering in our community, they wouldn't have been unnoticed (but I might be wrong). Please do not underestimate the competence existing in the community. For myself I have seven years of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-22 Thread Anders Wennersten
On our Village pump a not so active user states he called the office of Monsiuer Cavadas and talked with his secretary. And that she said the aim of the proposal is to keep status as it is today. That in France and Belgium they will keep restrictions for commercial use of panorama images, but

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