Re: [Zen] Re: Dogen, Mystical Realist

2013-02-19 Thread ChrisAustinLane
On the one hand I have to agree with Joe that most writers on mysticism mean something non-dual by it. On the other hand, I have always said that with a full blown mystical union with all and $5, you can buy coffee for yourself and a friend. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone

[Zen] San Diego zen center?

2013-01-20 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Anyone have any feedback on this center? My schedule for retreats doesn't allow me to.make my customary Fenruary sesshin at Jikoji, near where I live, but SDZC has one I can make. Anyone here have feedback on that center? Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone

Re: [Zen] Re: Karma is real and free will is illusion.

2013-01-12 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I laugh and blush. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 11, 2013, at 23:35, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: Chris, Maybe that was just a little too subtle... 'Um' spelled backwards is? ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane wrote

Re: [Zen] Re: Karma is real and free will is illusion.

2013-01-11 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 11, 2013, at 18:07, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: Um... ? --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane wrote: Does a dog have free will? /lifts leg Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan

Re: [Zen] Re: Karma is real and free will is illusion.

2013-01-10 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Does a dog have free will? /lifts leg Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 9, 2013, at 17:17, Joe desert_woodwor...@yahoo.com wrote: Greetings, Fleetinginsight, A well-considered post! Welcome. Regarding the matter of free will in a Buddhist context, remember

Re: True Christianity? ...WAS ---- [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-26 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Isn't the first principal of Zen to abandon hope and optimism? What we have in front of us is our task. Any thought of it as good or bad (or getting better in the so-called future) takes us away from the glory of that task. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Dec 26, 2012, at

Re: True Christianity? ...WAS ---- [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-19 Thread ChrisAustinLane
/bow Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Dec 19, 2012, at 11:42, Joe desert_woodwor...@yahoo.com wrote: Chris, Thanks for this great interchange. Buddhist-Christian Dialogue is an activity that's been important with me for several decades. I don't follow the

Re: True Christianity? ...WAS ---- [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-16 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Dec 15, 2012, at 14:33, Joe desert_woodwor...@yahoo.com wrote: Chris, Thanks very much for your perspectives. One thing jumps out for me to be clear about: Joe wrote: But can we also worship with them? I'd say Yes. I think that

Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-13 Thread ChrisAustinLane
My introduction to formal practice was thusly: I read Buddha by Karen Armstrong, found that attentively reading about the eight fold path lead me to the feeling I needed to fix my work situation to accord with right livelihood, so I determined to leave my job and become a stay at home parent.

Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-11 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Of course current science predicts rather grim things long term anyways - difficult to envision any non-reversible computation lasting more than a hundred trillion years or so from now. As the poster in my mom's laundry room said: Look to this day, for it is life, the very life of life.

Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-11 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Deleting all the agreement and replying to the rest . . . Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Dec 11, 2012, at 12:19, R A Fonda rafo...@frontier.com wrote: As the poster in my mom's laundry room said: Look to this day, for it is life, the very life of life. True enough.

Re: [Zen] Re: timers ?

2012-12-08 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Mello, et al) were all bodhisattvas in their own right. I'm just curious how people incorporate their practice into family life. Thanks for sharing, Hong Yeong Soo On 12/7/12, ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: Over eight years, my wife has twice sat with me and the kids

Re: [Zen] Re: timers ?

2012-12-07 Thread ChrisAustinLane
So what do you use? The last time I lost power thru a hurricanes action, I used the stick of incense method. I don't have a noun called zen, my questions were about timing the practice of zazen, an action. I am sometimes very relieved of anxiety when the bell rings for sure. Sometimes

Re: [Zen] Re: timers ?

2012-12-07 Thread ChrisAustinLane
On Dec 7, 2012, at 4:27 PM, ChrisAustinLane wrote: So what do you use? The last time I lost power thru a hurricanes action, I used the stick of incense method. I don't have a noun called zen, my questions were about timing the practice of zazen, an action. I am sometimes very relieved

Re: [Zen] Re: timers ?

2012-12-07 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Over eight years, my wife has twice sat with me and the kids occasionally sit with me but never for long enough to need a timer. When I teach Sunday school we sit while I count to ten breaths two or three times. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Dec 7, 2012, at 18:44,

Re: [Zen] truth is beauty

2012-12-02 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Crap! I have been teaching my kids the honored family chant Beans beans the musical fruit, the more you eat the better you toot, the more you toot the better you feel, so why not eat beans at every meal! I laugh just as hard as anyone. Hey, wait, does that mean I am ... Well double crap! Oh

Re: [Zen] Been There, Done That!

2012-11-28 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I one time let the periods go longer in order to resync the schedule after some delay and the senior student ordered me to ring the bell! I did not let it go longer again. There is a story they tell in the Bay Area about Suzuki just leaving and not coming back for hours and hours and letting

Re: [Zen] Re: sprituality

2012-11-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I personally find the endlessly growing requoted and unsnipped emails to be a breach of nettiquette. Top posting and quoting the entire thread is traditionally frowned on in text only fora, and was not normal until about ten years ago when MS Outlook became so common. On my phone the

Re: [Zen] shame on you

2012-11-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Actually Godel established that truth is not a logical construct. Only provability is. What that leaves truth as is unspecified by Godel but any human maths worker can attest to the strange beauty of truth. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Nov 25, 2012, at 4:57, Edgar Owen

Re: [Zen] Re: that ain't art is it?

2012-11-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Being a big fan of the fictional series Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars, by Kim Stanley Robinson, I would take a one way ticket to Mars, as soon as my kids are established as adults and probably I wouldn't get the chance anyways. There are no Zen references in the trilogy but there are some

Re: [Zen] truth is beauty

2012-11-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
A logical point, but isn't the experience of non-dual reality just seeing what is and appreciating it? The gap between what is (aka truth) and what could be (aka beauty) is gone and where we are is just perfect precious and with the right seeing beautiful. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from

Re: [Zen] thoughts, pensees, Meditations, and the Cogito

2012-11-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
There is another good story from a similar meeting with Mr Suzuki. He was giving some talk about Religion in Japan and explained how Biddhism was very common for burying people and how the Shinto religious practices are for the other major celebrations of living. During the comments someone

Re: [Zen] shame on you

2012-11-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Incompleteness proof does... Edgar On Nov 25, 2012, at 5:37 PM, ChrisAustinLane wrote: Actually Godel established that truth is not a logical construct. Only provability is. What that leaves truth as is unspecified by Godel but any human maths worker can attest to the strange

Re: [Zen] Re: sprituality

2012-11-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
or relevant.. Edgar as moderator On Nov 25, 2012, at 5:35 PM, ChrisAustinLane wrote: I personally find the endlessly growing requoted and unsnipped emails to be a breach of nettiquette. Top posting and quoting the entire thread is traditionally frowned on in text only fora

Re: [Zen] Re: sprituality

2012-11-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
destroys the context of the reply tending to make it less meaningful or relevant.. Edgar as moderator On Nov 25, 2012, at 5:35 PM, ChrisAustinLane wrote: I personally find the endlessly growing requoted and unsnipped emails to be a breach of nettiquette. Top posting and quoting

Re: [Zen] Re: From Economic Growth to Human Growth

2012-11-23 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Nov 23, 2012, at 6:01, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Joe, If you think Merle is following me as her teacher that's really funny. Merle is her OWN person. She doesn't take orders from anyone and I certainly have never tried

Re: [Zen] Re: the zen spirit

2012-11-23 Thread ChrisAustinLane
In the school of Zen in which I am being trained, the whole point is only exactly what is in the current moment. When that is a sense of profound lack of separation with all, then that is the whole of Zen. When that is a certain reluctance to begin the pumpkin pie cooking, then that is the very

Re: [Zen] Re: Mu - Graphically Illustrated...

2012-11-14 Thread ChrisAustinLane
ChrisAustinLane chris@ wrote: There is an electronic Zendo that is completely online. They broadcast the bell ringer on the Internet and all sit together at the same time but not in the same place. It seems quite different from the eyeball to eyeball teaching that I know but I also speak from

Re: [Zen] Re: Mu - Graphically Illustrated...

2012-11-13 Thread ChrisAustinLane
There is an electronic Zendo that is completely online. They broadcast the bell ringer on the Internet and all sit together at the same time but not in the same place. It seems quite different from the eyeball to eyeball teaching that I know but I also speak from the outside, so to speak.

Re: [Zen] Re: A word is �mask� for you. Who produces the word? Think

2012-11-08 Thread ChrisAustinLane
You are in a city very full of life - take a nice long walk and just smell the incense, the fires, the dung and so on. Listen to the rain. Watch the water flowing. If you are near to the shore, you can see the waves, the kids playing cricket, the walkers. The walking crowds, the focused

Re: [Zen] Re: please pray for edgar

2012-10-31 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Sometimes I can increase my clarity regarding some thought or other by saying it aloud, and listening to my sounds. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 31, 2012, at 17:35, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: Chris, You're correct on the 'sacred' stuff. Stuff's stuff.

Re: [Zen] : The day has arrived - Einstein said and was right...

2012-10-29 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:23, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Joe, So long as you take it personally as sniping rather than instruction there will be no advancement... Let there be no advancement. With nothing to gain, the mind is

Re: [Zen] Re: if one looses one's mind can one still experience zen?

2012-10-28 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Can one teach zen by answering a hypothetical? Sitting on a warm bench next to a candy shop, --Chris Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 28, 2012, at 13:44, Joe desert_woodwor...@yahoo.com wrote: Merle, Regarding the question in the Subject Line: Re: [Zen] Re: if

Re: [Zen] Re: California Lawsuit Against Yoga?

2012-10-27 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I learned yoga in a Yoga for toddlers and parents class and I would definitely recommend some sort of stretchiness bloodflow yoga for enhanced sesshin comfort. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 27, 2012, at 9:10, Joe desert_woodwor...@yahoo.com wrote: Siska, The

Re: [Zen] Re: California Lawsuit Against Yoga?

2012-10-27 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 27, 2012, at 10:24, siska_...@yahoo.com wrote: In Indonesia there is a saying: Many roads lead to Rome. One truism of humanity that will be denied and debated endlessly, as we keep holding our fixed positions so fiercely.

Re: [Zen] Re: California Lawsuit Against Yoga?

2012-10-27 Thread ChrisAustinLane
My toddler enjoyed whole hearted swinging on the stair rail more than the asanas, until the final full lotus when he would sit on my lap and we'd say good bye to the class. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 27, 2012, at 9:57, Joe desert_woodwor...@yahoo.com wrote: PS

Re: [Zen] Re: California Lawsuit Against Yoga?

2012-10-27 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 27, 2012, at 10:00, siska_...@yahoo.com wrote: Sitting after 90mins power yoga session is very quiet as long as the yoga itself is a moving meditation. Yin yoga has the same effect too. I think it's not about the type of yoga, but

Re: [Zen] original zen shit stick *

2012-10-27 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I don't think many zen newbies come here seeking basic advice. Generally people with some thing to say about Zen practice are the only ones to post. So even we all we with cups full of tea fall silent, there is just silence. There are no monks outside in the snow. I guess most people start

Re: [Zen] Here Is A Koan that Edgar Could not Write

2012-10-26 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 26, 2012, at 18:06, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Chris, The self exists just as all illusions exist. The idea of self exists. That is all. There is no need to 'cling' to it. But nevertheless it exists. How funny we can

Re: [Zen] original zen

2012-10-24 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 24, 2012, at 0:30, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: with the exception of just a couple people on the forum I'm sure it went by unnoticed. Lots more reading than posting here. Despite the amazing number of postings. It is sort of

Re: [Zen] original zen

2012-10-24 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a bathtub On Oct 24, 2012, at 5:41, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Intellectual understanding is the koan you need to solve BEFORE you can directly experience realization. It is necessary to prepare yourself for a correct realization... Bill!

Re: [Zen] Re: Buddha-nature and Expansion of Space

2012-10-10 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I suspect that consciousness is an emergent property like wetness. There does not need to be any display - when the appropriate neurons fire in my head, I see red. The google result was a neuron (well a cell in a big neural net program) that fired when presented by faces. No pixels invoked

Re: [Zen] Re: the zen marmalade story: NOW

2012-10-09 Thread ChrisAustinLane
The flowing part may be an illusion - certainly the idea Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 9, 2012, at 6:21, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Bill, First sentence is correct. But both kinds of time are NOT illusion. The time of the present moment, and the

Re: [Zen] Re: the zen marmalade story: NOW

2012-10-09 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Good sense, bad sense. Eh. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 9, 2012, at 11:28, Joe desert_woodwor...@yahoo.com wrote: Friends, Romans, Athenians, Olympians (the mountain), Just a note: Do you realize that we're making all this good sense beneath a subject line

Re: [Zen] the green dragon

2012-09-24 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Or 13,700 Million. It's not a British Billion yet, still a few orders of magnitude to go. Not sure why I switched the 3 to a 4. Perils of the continuous advance of knowledge after one leaves school. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Sep 24, 2012, at 12:52, Edgar Owen

Re: [Zen] the real world and zen power

2012-09-12 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I must second this. I have saved an email from you Mike where in you ask some tormenter if they do not find the world a bit cleaner after a sesshin (part of the endless words on polishing vs. ceasing). I have not replied because this is the crux; why do we practice when everything is complete

Re: [Zen] Re: logic is an art form

2012-09-07 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Well I don't find much utility in this particular definition; the function of art may not be known precisely, but it surely has to do with things such as conveying some communication of the interestingness of life from one human to another. I encourage my kids to make art when feelings too

Re: [Zen] Jhana: heart

2012-09-06 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Serving the sandwich or eating the sandwich? Or constructing the one sandwich from the multitude of the ingredients? Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Sep 6, 2012, at 16:45, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: Yes, the sandwich will give you the same joy or more than

Re: [Zen] Re: Hello

2012-08-31 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I have never lost a leg or two. I am attached to my legs, but I don't think that is what they mean by attachment is the root of suffering. I do find I can see how attachment and suffering work by watching carefully in boring moments, and then bring the confidence of that seen experience into

Re: [Zen] Re: Hello

2012-08-31 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Aug 30, 2012, at 21:20, Joe desert_woodwor...@yahoo.com wrote: Chris, Yes, well, I think so. Do you disagree that Desire is for what one does not have, and Attachment is to what one has? They are just words, I was trying to explain

Re: [Zen] Re: bone broth

2012-08-28 Thread ChrisAustinLane
When I was a kid I always hoped I could one day get gene mods to do photosynthesis so I would not need to eat (tho I doubt I have enough surface area to live that way). I will note that broccoli squeaks a bit. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Aug 28, 2012, at 19:38,

Re: [Zen] Re: Joko Beck quote

2012-08-11 Thread ChrisAustinLane
The very question that set Dogen travelling to China. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Aug 11, 2012, at 14:30, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Why practice? Why not just do it? No need to practice what is already happening no matter what Edgar On Aug

Re: [Zen] Zen O'Clock

2012-08-10 Thread ChrisAustinLane
On a listserv no one knows you are enlightened. But fingers do move! Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Aug 9, 2012, at 21:49, Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote: ah ah!..merle On 8/9/2012 3:44 AM, Merle Lester wrote: KG..is the moving hand that once

Re: [Zen] Zen O'Clock

2012-08-09 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Touché Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Aug 9, 2012, at 3:32, mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: With them the Seed of Wisdom did I sow, And with my own hand labour'd it to grow: Sounds familiar! Mike From: Kristopher Grey k...@kgrey.com To:

Re: [Zen] Re: Nisargadatta Maharaj at odds with Zen?

2012-07-09 Thread ChrisAustinLane
To forget the body and mind is to be enlightened by the ten thousand things I found one of the strongest and lasting changes from a daily sitting practice has been seeing fingers in all manners of speech. That quote seemed to be an adequate description of what happens when I take a break and

Re: [Zen] Re: Nisargadatta Maharaj at odds with Zen?

2012-07-09 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jul 9, 2012, at 12:29, Joe desert_woodwor...@yahoo.com wrote: Without the experience of Emptiness, it just is not Ch'an. What experience is not empty? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you

Re: [Zen] Re: Nisargadatta Maharaj at odds with Zen?

2012-07-09 Thread ChrisAustinLane
, limiting, and keeps you at the dock. OK. In all seriousness, (and the above is also my hope for all beings), Where are these beings you sustain hope for? Certainly no one here in San Jose's northern bit, sitting in shade. --Joe ChrisAustinLane chris@... wrote: To forget the body

Re: [Zen] Re: Nisargadatta Maharaj at odds with Zen?

2012-07-09 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jul 9, 2012, at 14:05, Joe desert_woodwor...@yahoo.com wrote: In fact, the pure Dharma is in the orthodox, and there only Is there a thing that is outside of this orthodoxy? Current Book Discussion:

Re: [Zen] Re: for Bill!, co-Moderator

2012-07-06 Thread ChrisAustinLane
It is (or used to be) possible to have an email only subscription, no yahoo Id and no web membership. So there must be about 203 such people. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jul 6, 2012, at 0:09, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: Joe, I have no idea. I've never looked

Re: [Zen] Re: All topics social group

2012-07-03 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Stop seeking! What you have is enough. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jul 3, 2012, at 9:04, Joe desert_woodwor...@yahoo.com wrote: Chris, I'm intrigued and drawn to Quaker Meeting. I have not gone yet. There is a Meeting here in Tucson on Sunday mornings: 8 AM and

[Zen] Recommendations for trip to Chennai India

2012-03-29 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Any not to be missed stuff for a Western student of Japanese Zen in a land only a thousand or so miles south of Gautama's living place? I will be there for three weeks, mostly but not totally working. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone

Re: [Zen] Recommendations for trip to Chennai India

2012-03-29 Thread ChrisAustinLane
this almost dead forum. Both our moderators are sleeping, or impersonating foxes that sit zen based on Joshu's a Guide to Wild Fox Zen. Anthony From: ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012, 22:50 Subject

Re: [Zen] What of God?

2012-01-27 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I promised rewrite that I would not use the snappy short questioning reply style to him. Plus I had the luxury of a long hot bath with an email device in which to order my writing. Although on retreading it later, I wish I had proof read one final time before sending. the wants are just as

Re: [Zen] What of God?

2012-01-27 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I meant more ordinary things by not doing - not believing thoughts, not getting upset at upset, not crinkling up my mind due to the gap between expectations and realty. For me, it is like riding a bike: how do you go straight? Do not make the bike go crookedly. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane

Re: [Zen] Re: What of God?

2012-01-26 Thread ChrisAustinLane
@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane chris@... wrote: Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 25, 2012, at 17:56, rewrisk rewrisk@... wrote: Phillosophers speak to arouse a sense of things they understand and perhaps hope to know. So there is some difference between you

Re: [Zen] Re: What of God?

2012-01-26 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 26, 2012, at 14:56, rewrisk rewr...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Therefore your words make a non sense. I have no use for non sense. Very well. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently

Re: [Zen] Re: What of God?

2012-01-26 Thread ChrisAustinLane
to 'know a truth.' Such 'truth' is usefull. I hope my writing above is more pleasing to you than my writing below. Speak. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane chris@... wrote: Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 25, 2012, at 21:52, rewrisk rewrisk

Re: [Zen] Re: What of God?

2012-01-26 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Provisionally, it is a good idea to sit upright and stilly for some time each day. Because you know i am human I when deprive myself of not doing anything I tend to make a crock of things. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 26, 2012, at 18:44, rewrisk rewr...@yahoo.com.au

Re: [Zen] When you began learning about buddhism, How did your friends family react?

2012-01-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 24, 2012, at 23:15, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: I think that's returning to the market place with a jug of wine in your hand and a fish hanging over your shoulder. Good, I'm ready for a meal.

Re: [Zen] Re: What of God?

2012-01-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 25, 2012, at 16:58, rewrisk rewr...@yahoo.com.au wrote: So many empty words. As opposed to all those full words? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading!

Re: [Zen] Re: What of God?

2012-01-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 25, 2012, at 17:56, rewrisk rewr...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Phillosophers speak to arouse a sense of things they understand and perhaps hope to know. So there is some difference between you and these philosophers?

Re: [Zen] Re: What of God?

2012-01-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
On Jan 25, 2012, at 21:22, rewrisk rewr...@yahoo.com.au wrote: So you think knowledge learnt from others is essential to the search for enlightenment? Others? From some perspectives, everything experienced is teaching. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone

Re: [Zen] When you began learning about buddhism, How did your friends family react?

2012-01-22 Thread ChrisAustinLane
This interchange is most amusing. I suspect the two senior practitioners are in violent agreement. Bill is no philosopher, tho he manifests a love of wisdom. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 22, 2012, at 19:30, rewrisk rewr...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Rubbish! The Abyss

Re: [Zen] Zen Story: Cause and effect

2012-01-22 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Is that's problem? You do something and see what happens. There is a lot of stuff not known and a lot of wrong judgments. Oh well. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 22, 2012, at 18:06, rewrisk rewr...@yahoo.com.au wrote: I could never know enough to be satisfied my

Re: [Zen] When you began learning about buddhism, How did your friends family react?

2012-01-16 Thread ChrisAustinLane
To encounter the absolute is not yet enlightenment. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 16, 2012, at 4:47, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Siska, 1. Mountains are mountains. 2. Mountains are not mountains. 3. Mountains are mountains. Edgar On Jan 15, 2012,

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-09 Thread ChrisAustinLane
As a parent, knowing that I and my children will die, I find the work of parenting to be full of significance Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 9, 2012, at 15:11, Amy Lemmon amylem...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi! I am new to this group and fairly new to Buddhism. I am

Re: [Zen] Re: Is enlightenment a state?

2012-01-04 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Typing a short email addressed to someone else is eternal; the trolly doors open, the folks get off, the doors close, and the send button sends these bits on the way. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:57, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Bill, In

Re: [Zen] states of meditation: an interview with ken wilber

2012-01-02 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Any one who writes about non-duality and then implies that something (freedom) can extend even to this fallen world of sin and samsara needs to sit a bit more, in my opinion. It sounds like he thinks there is some other world than this world of sin and samsara. It reeks of duality. I won't

Re: [Zen] Practice Of No Mind

2011-12-05 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Let me re-phrase - in all places and times, our body mind and spirit are one. The contents of whatever thoughts we have may or may not reflect that unity, but they are just thoughts anyways. For example, one may notice that a particular time of sitting will seem like you mind was totally

Re: [Zen] Practice Of No Mind

2011-12-05 Thread ChrisAustinLane
a unified body and mind - that is already there. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Dec 5, 2011, at 6:57, ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: Let me re-phrase - in all places and times, our body mind and spirit are one. The contents of whatever thoughts we have may

Re: [Zen] Practice Of No Mind

2011-12-05 Thread ChrisAustinLane
, 2011, at 7:48, Chan JMJM chan.j...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed Chris, Buddha agrees with you, every sentient being could be enlightened, once they rid of their karmic hindrances. JM On 12/5/2011 7:01 AM, ChrisAustinLane wrote: Hit send too soon. As a time of sitting

Re: [Zen] Practice Of No Mind

2011-12-05 Thread ChrisAustinLane
of that is Bill, assisted strongly by me. Fox Lietenant From: ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011, 0:56 Subject: Re: [Zen] Practice Of No Mind Gotta tell ya, the karmic hindrances clause really

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and Buddhism

2011-11-23 Thread ChrisAustinLane
You will be born as a fox if you aren't careful. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Nov 23, 2011, at 6:25, siska_...@yahoo.com wrote: not because of anything Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are

Re: [Zen] Zen in the Art of Archery free download?

2011-11-21 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks - another pape rbook I can give away. I didn't read the critique yet but the way to read all these Westerners visit Japan books is as travelogues - not explanation of the destination culture but as a book about a US guy travelling. You learn about a journey and about a guy - as much

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and Buddhism

2011-11-04 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Do you disagree that the awareness of mentation is a sixth sense? (as I have considered the heart sutra et alia to imply? And which I personally find to be a very freeing bit of Buddhist insight). Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Nov 2, 2011, at 21:39, Bill!

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and Buddhism

2011-11-04 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Have you ever seen the graphic displays of the raw memory content of the machine? They are quite pretty but not readily comprehensible. Incidentally - a byte is two hex digits eg f7 and a word is traditionally four - eg ae08 but most systems now are fundamentally 4 or 8 bytes in word length.

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and Buddhism

2011-11-04 Thread ChrisAustinLane
thing, it is a collection of illusions, so I believe it is not in the same category as the other senses. This answer was arrived at without much thought so don't hold me to it to closely in the future... ...BIll! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane chris@... wrote: Do you

Re: [Zen] Zen and Buddhism

2011-10-22 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I don't know. What is the difference between zen and Buddhism? Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 21, 2011, at 20:08, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: Hey! Where is everybody? Are you all meditating or out playing golf or something? I haven't seen a post for a

Re: [Zen] Re: Buddha Heart Imprint II

2011-10-17 Thread ChrisAustinLane
So the reason I keep responding to these step by step things is two-fold: 1. I tend to infuse the phrase step by step or path with the idea of going some where else or intentionally changing a given nervous system, and implicitly some split of reality into better/more steps done and

Re: [Zen] Re: Buddha Heart Imprint II

2011-10-16 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 14, 2011, at 21:43, mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Anthony, The signposts you see on a journey are not the ultimate goal, but are nevertheless useful for giving you an indication of where you are and at what stage of

Re: [Zen] Re: Buddha Heart Imprint II

2011-10-16 Thread ChrisAustinLane
, the pathless path) of where you're 'at' and Zen *does* acknowledge them. Again, talking in ultimates is what causes you to become a fox for 500 lives. : ) What ever. Mike From: ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Zen_Forum

Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle

2011-09-23 Thread ChrisAustinLane
this thinking. It is just thinking, you can't let that ruin a moment. Siska From: ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:13:35 -0700 To:Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.comZen_Forum@yahoogroups.com ReplyTo: Zen_Forum

Re: [Zen] Introduction

2011-09-23 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Welcome. There is a decent book on how to sit zazen that explicitly by a person who also is Christian. Zen for Christians: a Beginners Guide, by Kim Boykin (with a blurb quote from my own teacher, Sensei Rosemary Dougherty). http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0787963763/ For having an easier

Re: [Zen] Help!

2011-09-20 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Sometimes transient mail problems will cause them to stop sending mail to your account. There is a button on the account page to cause them to send a mail that will reactivate the mail. There is also an option for the moderator to resend them. I am vague on the details. Thanks, Chris

Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle

2011-09-14 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:41, siska_...@yahoo.com wrote: rather, what is the difference between cruelty and good? To get a bit sophistical on you, same as the difference between being surrounded by bodhisattvas or being surrounded by demons, the

Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle

2011-09-14 Thread ChrisAustinLane
And the monk was clearly not in a situation where telling a good story or two was a gift to the listeners. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Sep 14, 2011, at 1:11, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: Bill, Touching stories. Is the monk moral or amoral? What

Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle

2011-09-13 Thread ChrisAustinLane
or devils or demons that surround me. Still a long way to go. Siska From: ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 06:08:59 -0700 To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.comZen_Forum@yahoogroups.com ReplyTo: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Zen_Forum

Re: [Zen] Mahayana

2011-08-31 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Aug 31, 2011, at 0:09, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明chan.j...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Forum, Do you consider Zen/zen/your practice a Mahayana practice? If so, how does Mahayana actually practice? I sit. What is its core teaching?

Re: [Zen] An example of Absolute Emptiness

2011-08-23 Thread ChrisAustinLane
If you give something away and then learn that you gave with some expectations, that is also interesting to see. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Aug 23, 2011, at 9:03, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote: JMJM; Just giving different perspectives of the theme

Re: [Zen] An example of Absolute Emptiness

2011-08-23 Thread ChrisAustinLane
23, 2011, at 9:26, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote: Hi Chris: I have some experience on that one and can tell you that the outcome is: Disappointment, most of times. What do you think? Mayka --- On Tue, 23/8/11, ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: From

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