[Zen] Hi New to the Group

2007-01-22 Thread chris
that. In Zen Mind, Beginners Mind it says that you should push the head up and the abdomen down as if one were supporting the sky, but when I do this it feels all wrong. I guess what my question is in Zazen is it right to hold onself in a certain posture? thanks, Chris Current Book

Re: [Zen] Compassion

2010-07-22 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Of course I meant unanswerable questions. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Chris Austin-Lane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: Buddha also had a whole list of answerable questions and as he died, said, Oh, by the way, I meant to change some of the rules I put forth earlier, but I haven't got time

Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion

2010-07-23 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
orthodoxy. --Chris On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:17 AM, maitreya003 joult...@gmail.com wrote:  More of the quote is below. Be a lamp unto yourself.  but holding fast to the Truth as their lamp, and holding fast to the Truth as their refuge, shall not look for refuge to anyone beside themselves

Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion

2010-07-30 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
I've heard that Dogen had some statement about compassion to the effect that compassion is the hand fluffing the pillow for the head. --Chris On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 7:36 PM, maitreya003 joult...@gmail.com wrote: I think that Jesus and Buddha advocated the development of compassion toward all

[Zen] Robert Aitken passed away

2010-08-06 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Forwarded from the Zen Community of Baltimore: Dear fellow AZTA teachers and friends, I bring you sad news this evening. Aitken Roshi passed away at 5:35 PM this afternoon. He was 93 years old. Roshi's energy had been a little low the past week or so but he had still been working on his writing

Re: [Zen] Does anybody here write Haiku?

2010-09-01 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
, Feeling a sublime formless ... Bad words stick in mind. coats boots mittens too putting them on again. whew. Oh no! Time to pee. And for today: Ideas clashing hard! Typing with great heat to fix. Zen_Forum flows on. Ahh, the indulgence. Thanks, --Chris On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 5:59 AM, DP

Re: [Zen] Re: Death

2010-09-03 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Imagining that fear of death is an uncomfortable problem seems no different from imagining that dying is an uncomfortable problem. It's not something to worry about - some times people are afraid of dying. On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 4:51 PM, roloro1557 roloro1...@yahoo.com wrote: Everyone is afraid

Re: [Zen] Other traditions

2010-09-09 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
into the room :) --Chris On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:48 PM, DP wookielife...@yahoo.ca wrote: I have a strange feeling towards other Buddhist traditions. While I find interesting messages in reading about Christianity or even Islam and Judaism (Hinduism I find too alien, although I love some

Re: [Zen] Practical Mysticism - Evelyn Underhill

2010-09-13 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
I think it is more than that. People are shallow, sure, that's nothing new. But I wouldn't say that there is no change recently in the degree of various cultures mixing around. I had a most interesting conversation with my Indian-born co-workers the other day about how their parents want the

Re: [Zen] Rumi -- Jewels of Remembrance

2010-09-13 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
a seamless reality, which is just this reality right here. --Chris On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:26 AM, salik888 novelid...@aol.com wrote: Dear Mike Another good question -- compelled?  To a certain extent, yes, but not entirely. In the case of Rumi and Sufis, the Beloved (Absolute)is longed

Re: RE: [Zen] Rumi -- Jewels of Remembrance

2010-09-15 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
So people are saying that there is more to the Sufi way than the Rumi quote calendars at the health food store or the Martian whirling dervishes in Kim Stanley Robinson's books? OK, I am listening. On Sep 14, 2010 7:10 PM, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: Chris and Artie, I assume from

Re: [Zen] Re: Sharing religions

2010-09-19 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
are that mistakes would have been make. The native american cultures did hunt to extinction almost all of the large mammals that were here when they got here. People are people; look to the conditions to explain the differences. --Chris On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Maria Lopez flordel

Re: [Zen] Re: Sharing religions

2010-09-19 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
me that you believe this! If I believed that myself, I'd be sadder than I am, but reasonable people disagree as they say. :-) --Chris

Re: [Zen] Re: Sharing religions

2010-09-19 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
randomness as to which group of humans would develop technology first, assuming all the groups are pretty similar in intelligence and motivations and behavior. --Chris On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 11:03 AM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: People are people; look to the conditions to explain

Re: [Zen] Re: Sharing religions

2010-09-20 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
on the various numbers of genocides throughout modern history, and an interesting chapter on a rather bloody band of non-human primates. I personally feel rather ashamed of our record on that score, but I know we are fascinated by violence as a group. --Chris

Re: [Zen] Re: Sharing religions

2010-09-21 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
consider to be repellent. Perhaps I was hasty to use the word, my point was I would not myself claim to be better than people in the past who experienced various conditions that I don't. --Chris

Re: [Zen] How to walk away from arguments

2010-09-29 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Only you know :) Personally, I have found it to be more satisfying to try to avoid getting the last word. On the internet, you win if you don't reply one more time. They are just trying to goad you into more and more extreme positions until you break Godwin's rule. http://xkcd.com/386/ On

Re: RE: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.

2010-10-04 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
When you swim well, your intelligence is not separate from your action, but indivisible. At that point the things you could think about swimming, things you read in books, are not necessary to think. The intelligence is there in the action. All these words about thoughts vs perceptions seem to

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-05 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Are you then saying that there is a cause of pervasive disappointment? Could a way to escape pervasive disappointment? Only if one has pervasive deluded expectations? --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jane ch...@... wrote: One is tempted to generalize that the nature of living is

Re: [Zen] New member.

2010-10-08 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
minutes and would sometimes walk faster, sometimes walk slower. Also, a lot of US Zen training is from a dual-lineage, Sanbyo Kyodan tradition, which uses a bit of each. Maezumi Roshi was in that lineage. --Chris On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Jody W. Ianuzzi j...@thewhitehats.com wrote: Hello

Re: [Zen] New member.

2010-10-08 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Dogen (the founder of Soto) quotes a number of well known koans in Shobogenzo. There are no hard and fast lines between any pieces of reality. --Chris On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: Chris, Any zen practice can be a mixture of different lineages. Now

Re: [Zen] Re: Quaker 'meditation'

2010-10-11 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Also, I'd like to add that there's nothing inherently wrong with worrying; it is certainly isn't something to worry about! :-) --Chris

Re: [Zen] Re: Beverly Hills Zen

2010-10-19 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
sand next to the river :) --Chris On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.comwrote: a modest person is a real blessing in a world religious cheaters , manipulators, ambitious and fakes in general. It's not true that a modest person can't get into the heart of zen

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-19 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
To know zen, the easiest method is to sit zazen. You are free to try other methods, of course. --Chris On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:50 AM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: [Anthony:] Zen is illogical, so undefinable. [Ed

Re: [Zen] Zen practice?

2010-10-19 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Ohh, now you've gone too far. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 1:51 PM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Internet browsing/groups Really, just keep sitting and what ever else becomes necessary will be easy to see.

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-21 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
I have to agree with this. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 5:20 PM, mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: but I think the development of scientific research into meditation helps completely separate Zen from the more faith based systems of religion (a belief in something supernatural in the

Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain

2010-10-26 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
colloquialism, Makya, meaning not preferred by everyone. I'm sorry, but biking in the rain is just not my cup of tea.). De gustibus non disputandum, --Chris On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:02 AM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm not intereted in a 'give and take'. I am intereted in expressing my

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and the Brain

2010-10-26 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
when we had to dissect the cat. --Chris On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:08 AM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Chris, do you possess an academic background in neurophysiology/neuropsychology etc. ?

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and the Brain

2010-10-26 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Oddly enough, you actually posted three replies to my initial post, none of which confessed to have reading it however, so I ignored them. I don't really have a shortage of articles and stuff to read - I have a shortage of people that have read the same stuff I find interesting. --Chris On Tue

Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain

2010-10-26 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
If anything, zen suggests to me Not Always So and to look at the given situation, not relying on pre-formulated rules. Carpe Diem fits the situation sometimes, definitely. --Chris On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:17 PM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: And, you would agree that zen suggests

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-11-04 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
! Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Nov 3, 2010, at 16:17, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sghttp://uk.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: Bill Smart himself is also an illusion. Don't atttach any spiritual significant. Anthony --- On *Wed, 3

Re: [Zen] History of Sacred Sexuality

2010-11-08 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
i believe that regular sex is an affirmative duty of the husband in most Jewish traditions so perhaps the Lord is smiling On Nov 8, 2010 2:49 PM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Injaculation or ejacultion, Jehovah would not be amused. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-15 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.comwrote: Chris, To the contrary. I do not recommend Big Mind , necessarily. In fact, I have said here that it is not a process that works for me. It seems a bit like group therapy, but not about zen. I know it well, as I

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-18 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
healthypl...@... wrote: Chris, To the contrary. I do not recommend Big Mind , necessarily. In fact, I have said here that it is not a process that works for me. It seems a bit like group therapy, but not about zen. I know it well, as I have a home in UT, (though I live in CA). Gempo

Re: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-28 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
. Now that I write and re-read that, I think once people have sat for a while, asking why sit is sort of like asking why do we eat :) Thank you for the opportunity to explicitly write about myself. --Chris

Re: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-29 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
One slight quibble I have with this. I think calmness is the natural state of the mind, and sitting allows that to be seen. The mind becomes calm when people stop ruffling it up, not when people calm it. On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 6:16 AM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Sitting can calm the

Re: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-30 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
of not doing. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your

Re: [Zen] Liberation

2010-12-21 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
On Dec 21, 2010 7:14 AM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning All, Viki has been meditating with us for over 10 years now. Through out her journey, she has learned to give, to give, to give, to serve, to serve and serve, while her husband, Dr. Tracy Lee with an

Re: [Zen] Liberation

2010-12-21 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Head Teacher? Congrats on the promotion. I think I just sent a blank message to everyone, sorry about that. I do agree that liberation in our society cannot be separated from feminism. The very first training for learning the handing over of your own lamp to another, or of trying to juggle two

Re: [Zen] Liberation

2010-12-22 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
of one group to the detriment of another. But, as judged by whom? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane ch...@... wrote: I do agree that libera... Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk

Re: [Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-25 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
be hundreds of pages long. --Chris On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 5:57 AM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Bill - Never underestimate the creativity and power of the discursve mind! It keeps millions of Internet groups and hundreds of millions of posters occupied and happy. This is what

[Zen] Liberation III

2010-12-26 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
On Thursday, December 23, 2010, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: In the final analysis, you are 'right.'  'Liberation' is indeterminate, whether claimed for self or by others. Play with anyone and everyone you please, whether liberated or not - provided you are enjoying it - and then 'walk

Re: [Zen] Buddhism and Sexism

2010-12-26 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
On Sunday, December 26, 2010, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Will experiencing kensho-satori affect a zenist's deep inner relationship to the other sex? Paying attention to what is in front of you will affect how you treat people. If you were brought up sexist and are trying to raise

Re: [Zen] Your message to Mel

2010-12-28 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
On Tuesday, December 28, 2010, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精 wrote:. All you have to do is to stop search outward and begin searching inward. I thought that there is no separating outside from inside. And that to find what you seek, stop searching.

Re: [Zen] Re: Mindfulness pt 2

2011-01-05 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
When I use the word Mindfulness, which I try never to do, I just mean paying attention. Not Thoughtfully or cognitively coherent or anything like that. I just mean 'watch it!' Like my dog watching me when I do something that might lead to a walk or might not. For me, when I have the feelings

Re: [Zen] Re: Mindfulness pt 2

2011-01-06 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Zazen On Jan 6, 2011 7:05 AM, Dave P wookielife...@yahoo.ca wrote: So how does one separate ego from mind? --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: Dave, Â Fear of dementia, fear of death, fear of fear... are indications of your strong ego. Anything that... Â

Re: [Zen] Re: Not understanding mindfulness

2011-01-08 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
To eat the peach or make do with the picture of a lovely peach. It is a daily choice we face. On Jan 8, 2011 11:18 PM, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote: Hello again Dave. I haven´t read any comment from you or anyone else about video suggestion Thich Nhat Hanh, with the tittle

Re: [Zen] Re: Not understanding mindfulness

2011-01-11 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
enjoy the to and fro of verbal interchanges. Thanks, --Chris PS The eat the peach/scrutinize the picture of the peach is a reference to a Dogen essay, where the title is actual something more along the lines of a bowl of rice or a picture of a bowl of rice, not a peach. On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 8

[Zen] Not understanding mindfulness

2011-01-12 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
On Jan 12, 2011 1:16 PM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Bodhidharma, I thank you that I am not a sinner like these non-practicing Zen folk appear to be. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane chris@... wrote: I do not come to the forum expecting it to be a place just

Re: [Zen] Not understanding mindfulness(to Chris/list)

2011-01-13 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
On Thursday, January 13, 2011, Mel gunnar19632...@yahoo.com.au wrote: --- On Thu, 13/1/11, Chris Austin-Lane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: Practice doesn't change the nature of what living is. - MEL: It doesn't change

Re: [Zen] News: Can sitting too much kill you?

2011-01-13 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Sounds like 25 minutes of sitting a day is ok. Also, physically, sitting on the zafu with legs crossed feels healthier, more active than slouching in a office chair. It requires active balance for the abdomen, something my office chair does not require. Perhaps I should switch my office to be

Re: [Zen] Not understanding mindfulness

2011-01-13 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
, January 8, 2011, Chris Austin-Lane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: To eat the peach or make do with the picture of a lovely peach. It is a daily choice we face. Back to Mel: This is just the thing about Zen...we all eventually become our own counselors We are all already our own conselors. Zen

Re: [Zen] Christendom, Zen, and all things good and wonderful(to Chris/list)

2011-01-14 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
On Friday, January 14, 2011, Mel gunnar19632...@yahoo.com.au wrote: --- On Fri, 14/1/11, Chris Austin-Lane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: There is more cultural baggage attached with the church, so the times when recommending it seem useful are rarer is the main difference

Re: [Zen] beginner's mind, romantic moments, etc(to Rose/list)

2011-01-14 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
see what we see, is all I was saying. There's no clear line between knowing that you are upset and knowing that your neighbor is upset. On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Rose P things_r...@yahoo.com wrote: I think what I'm saying Chris, is *should* we be assessing (at all), if zen isn't really

[Zen] Toni Packer?

2011-01-17 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
/ Cheers, Chris Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings

Re: [Zen] Zen music

2011-01-17 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Seems to me zen would be how you listened to the music or how you made the music, not what kind of music. If you listen whole heartedly, not adding in a lot of distracted chains of thought on top of listening. For meditation, as close to silence as life gets seems best. John Cage is pretty hip,

[Zen] Re: Toni Packer?

2011-01-17 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
On Monday, January 17, 2011, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Every individual with some ego-strength may feel that he/she has found another 'only right way' (which works for themselves.) You may wish to judge her based on the wiki article, but her leaving Buddhism i think is like the

Re: [Zen] Pure Land Buddhism, heaven and hell, Monkey etc(to Steve/list)

2011-01-17 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
, kindly but without the aura of sanctitude is refreshing. And Monkey King is a very appealing hero to my kids, he keeps being bad but without ill will and makes up for it. And great powers to boot. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 15, 2011, at 15:07, Anthony Wu wu

Re: [Zen] the death of the prince, vegetarianism?(to Chris/Kristy/list)

2011-01-17 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
non-judgmental response is nothing. Forgive my clumsy assumption if that is not your intended implication. I continue to find that for many of the ethical debates of our age, there are useful actions I can take do. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane chris@... wrote: Thanks

Re: [Zen] Feeling a little down.

2011-01-17 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
states, which is so rare on the internet. I hope we do not abuse that trust. May you be free of suffering, --Chris, who would rather stay in the tub doing email than go resume my fatherly duties of attention and cooking. Current Book Discussion: any Zen

Re: [Zen] Re: Meditation Problem

2011-01-21 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Anil Sahal a.sa...@sheffield.ac.uk wrote: IMO, rather than sitting with the intention to not have thoughts arise, it is better to sit without any expectations at all.  Who is relishing sitting? This question Who is is sort of a standard zen joke: Two

Re: [Zen] Is Chan Buddhist?

2011-02-02 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
, trying to be wholesome is more likely to make you miss seeing the unwholesome parts of your own reality and thereby become more likely to be blind to the harm you are causing. --Chris On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi Bill, I agree. Lets get drunk

Re: [Zen] Zen and Tao.

2011-02-04 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Snort. That was the first album I totally memorized. On Friday, February 4, 2011, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: One thing I'll say for him, Jesus is cool. Caiphus - JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, SteveW eugnostos2000@... wrote: --- In

Re: [Zen] Re: Spock?

2011-02-04 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
the systems do their jobs, but I must say making it into a system governed by logic and reason, not gonna happen. :-) but that is fine, the idea of a man governed by logic is just an (enjoyable) fantasy. Live long and prosper, --Chris On Feb 4, 2011 8:43 AM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote

Re: [Zen] Re: Spock?

2011-02-04 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
. Cheers, Chris On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Brett Corbin brettalancor...@yahoo.comwrote: I think logic and wisdom are two different things, here is my definition... logic is knowing the truth, wisdom is applying it. Brett http://www.pbase.com/brett1963 --- On *Fri, 2/4/11, Chris Austin

[Zen] Inside and outside.

2011-02-05 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
long and prosper, --Chris Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings

Re: [Zen] Scholarly approach

2011-02-05 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
about it. Congrats again on your promotion, JMJM. --Chris Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group

Re: [Zen] Spock?

2011-02-05 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
On Saturday, February 5, 2011, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Bill, Brett, Does either of you possess the talent of distinguishing the 'wise' from the unwise? If i may, yes, of course they have that talent. We all have that talent. Perhaps we over look it, but it is here, every moment.

Re: [Zen] Re: Spock?

2011-02-08 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
or Zen either. --Chris

Re: [Zen] visualization

2011-02-10 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
for therapy.). Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane +1-301-270-6524 On Feb 10, 2011, at 15:41, Brett Corbin brettalancor...@yahoo.com wrote: I have been using visualization lately and have been finding it to be very helpful.  What I do is, I go in to my normal meditation, focusing in on my breathing, when I

Re: [Zen] The Zen I Practice - Lesson 1

2011-02-12 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Excellent On Feb 12, 2011 12:50 AM, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: Lesson 1 http://www.billsmart.com/mp3/This%20is%20Your%20Life%20-%20Dust%20Brothers.mp3 ...Bill!

Re: [Zen] Optimism

2011-02-13 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
I was at a parenting workshop On Feb 13, 2011 3:09 AM, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote: Anthony: My sister and any member of my family have me at any moment they want me. In fact, it was very complicated lo leave Scotland as we were having for several weeks in a row an almost non

Re: [Zen] Re: An Article of Interest

2011-02-24 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
their own responsibility to be sensible to the teacher. --Chris On Feb 22, 2011 11:24 AM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Love, idolization, respect, gratitude, etc. - whatever. Thanks, ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane chris@... wrote: Love != idolization

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

2011-02-25 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
, and no end to the struggle, except for the end of us. Ah well! --Chris Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com

Re: [Zen] Can Buddha intentionally harm?

2011-02-25 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
2011/2/25 Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com: Besides, enlightened being has no self.  The entire focus, or heart, is filled with the suffering of others. Just to point out the obvious, those are two distinct statements, and the first, being has no self, is true of all of us, know we

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

2011-02-25 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
factor, and more likely to be amenable to intervention than fully fulfilling some endless mutating desire. The way to end desires is to be able to have them without feeding them. Neither push towards nor push away. --Chris, rather gradually catching up after a week of sesshin and a week at Universal

Re: [Zen] Re: An Article of Interest

2011-02-25 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
now for severing a student/teacher relationship to enable a more conventional romantic relationship to flower without that specific imbalance working against the lovers. That makes sense to me. They also aren't dependent on one big famous teacher who is in charge of the whole thing. --Chris

Re: [Zen] Re: News: Enlightened Robots?

2011-03-04 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
I just read a good sci-fi book exploring how that might start to happen, Zendegi, by Greg Egan. The end up with the maxim: If you want to make it human, make it whole. Apparently there really is a Human Connectome Project trying to make a digital map of the brian. On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at

Re: [Zen] Realization

2011-03-04 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
I agree with a lot of what you write also, Ed, but I rarely post when I agree with what is beimg said. On Mar 4, 2011 7:37 PM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Bill, you are the only one who agrees with me (occasionally), and your agreement certainly counts (with me)! --- In

Re: [Zen] Realization

2011-03-05 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane chris@... wrote: Samsara is no different than nirvana. It is a matter of do you believe life is a seamless whole or ... Oh Oh, Chris, you have have given the insight-building ball of samsara on this forum another push! ;-) --ED Our current configuration

Re: [Zen] Realization

2011-03-05 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
The patriarchs did not regard non duality as a trick. There is nothing hidden here. normal brains are in nirvana. Sometimes they get distracted and do not notice or mistake a thought for life but life flows on any ways As always, thanks. Chris On Mar 5, 2011 12:46 PM, ED seacrofter

Re: [Zen] Realization

2011-03-06 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
On Saturday, March 5, 2011, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Chris, replace the third statement of my post below with: If not in a state of kensho-satori, the human mind can not apprehend the truth of: 'Samsara is no different than nirvana.' That seems so absolutist. I do not know about

Re: [Zen] Re: Two Potent Quotes

2011-03-07 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
It sounds then ED that perhapsby On Mar 7, 2011 8:35 AM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusuboyo@... wrote: ED, Why should there be something 'extra'? These no need at all. To me the transformation is significant if it enhances active

Re: [Zen] Re: Two Potent Quotes

2011-03-07 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Sorry, I bumped the send button too soon. So, ED, it sounds like for you a path of social service or of engaged compassion would be more appealing than a path of meditation. That seems fine. Zen advertises itself as being of no merit, no goal, and it does indeed seem to meet that promise. If

Re: [Zen] Re: Two Potent Quotes

2011-03-07 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote: So, ED, it sounds like for you a path of social service or of engaged compassion would be more appealing than a path of meditation. That seems fine. I said was unimpresed by a person's enlightenment, if it does not push him toward devoting his

Re: [Zen] Re: Two Potent Quotes

2011-03-07 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
that's what the hand does, no big deal. --Chris On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 10:12 AM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: I like that. But there is 'awakening' and then there is 'awakened'. It's a complex business! Beyond words? --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane chris

Re: [Zen] Re: Two Potent Quotes

2011-03-07 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
At the time, in the moment, it is clear. I did not mean something which would be labelled appropriate, but acting appropriately. On Mar 7, 2011 7:57 PM, mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Chris, ...and able to see when action is appropriate. When (before or after) and who

Re: [Zen] Re: Two Potent Quotes

2011-03-08 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
It is just clear. My original post wasn't about sending food to the hungry orphans, I am not sure where you got that; or compassion either. --Chris On Mar 8, 2011 3:38 AM, mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Chris, At the time, in the moment, it is clear. Do you mean

Re: [Zen] Two Potent Quotes

2011-03-08 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
On Tuesday, March 8, 2011, mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Chris, My apologys if I've got my wires crossed. I thought your original post was referring to compassion when you said that, sit, allow your body/mind to stop twisting itself up, see that we are all one, all changing

Re: [Zen] Two Potent Quotes

2011-03-08 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
. Certainly not in the example I used of catching an ice cream scoop as it falls to the floor. I suppose when you are trying to decide on what house to buy with your spouse, some planning activity is useful, but I try not to get carried away with it or too attached. --Chris

Re: [Zen] Diamond Sutra

2011-03-08 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Red Pine has a Diamond Sutra translation also. His normal beautiful English, a novel interpretation and interesting textual commentary. On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 7:01 PM, SteveW eugnostos2...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello. JM mentioned the excellent Diamond Sutra. Many translations can be difficult.

[Zen] Realization(to Mayka/ED/list)

2011-03-09 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Sure, I wasn't trying to pry into your motivation, I apologize if I did pry. I was merely disagreeing with your comment. Certainly it makes sense to be careful of your privacy when posting to a public, recorded, forum. Thanks for your sweet email. On Mar 7, 2011 10:41 PM, ED

Re: [Zen] Suggestion

2011-03-09 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
On Wednesday, March 9, 2011, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, Thanks to ED, we had some wonderful discussion recently. May I suggest some posting sharing your personal realization/witness/journey so that we can all learn? Seems to me ED

Re: [Zen] Two Potent Quotes

2011-03-09 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Thanks for the clarification! Be careful, when you are climbing a lower ridge, it will block your view of the distant peak. Do you find apparent begger women asking for a bit of bread, or stuck animals asking for help as you journey? Haha, just kidding. Cheers, --Chris On Mar 9, 2011 2:05 AM

Re: [Zen] For Chris~~Two Potent Quotes

2011-03-10 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
On Mar 10, 2011 2:25 PM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Mike, I rarely if ever apologize, because I do not go about doing harm or intending to do harm to anyone. Perhaps I should apologize more to women whose feelings have been hurt by what I say. I tend to treat women on a par with men -

Re: [Zen] For Chris~~Two Potent Quotes

2011-03-10 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Whoops. Sent too soon. So do you skip saying hello or goodbye because we are already there, no where to go, no one to greet? :) My socialb group has different norms obviously. On Mar 10, 2011 2:25 PM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Mike, I rarely if ever apologize, because I do not go

Re: [Zen] Re: Five Poisons II

2011-03-11 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
I only like such posts for arguing, but I like you too much, JMJM, to argue with all your posts. But, since you ask, Isn't any realm still a conditioned and relative existence? Do we not strive to dissolve all such distinctions? On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org

Re: [Zen] Re: Five Poisons II

2011-03-13 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Because what he said is much funnier. True zen laughs often. On Mar 13, 2011 9:30 PM, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote: Bill, Well then.. If they are no hidden meanings or secretive ideas-- then why didn't he just say that his teachings were available to all, and he expected

[Zen] Good advice on a teacher

2011-03-14 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Learned teachers who have meditation experience and are not so involved in ceremonial issues or politics are the safest guides. The Tibetan tulku Shamar Rinpoche speaking to Tricycle on how to find a Tibetan teacher. Seems true for finding a Zen teacher as well.

Re: [Zen] Re: Add Nothing Extra

2011-03-22 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.comwrote: Chris, True enough.. but while i haven't followed this thread.. ..is there is some implied threat or point. Whose efforts are in vain-- and what where the hopes anyway? Thanks..k --- On *Tue, 3/22/11

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