[ZION] Motivations for Cuban Intervention

Below is an extract from Tragedy and Hope regarding Cuba which also implicates the US as an Imperial Power. Now Quigley is an apologist for the establishment according to Skousen if I remember "The Naked Capitalist", or was it "The Naked Communist?" The agrarian discontent, the growth of mono

RE: [ZION] High Priests

-Gary- > We learn in D&C 107 that an apostle is a high priest And an elder is a deacon. May we therefore say that in order to bless by the laying on of hands, one must be a deacon? Technically it's true, but it is certainly misleading. In many places in scripture, "high priest" is used to mean

[ZION] High Priests have money

I have to disagree with Paul on this one. I know several high priests who barely eke out a living. I've been one for 14 years, and was only a Buck Sergeant in the Air Force when first called. I promise you, they don't get the big bucks. My current bishop works as the general carpenter for the YMC

[ZION] Stop stuffing Marc, or something to that effect....

I'm glad you are not an unnatural human. I've never considered you a cultist, but not an idealogue??? What's one definition of an idealogue? Maybe someone who spends obsessive amounts of electrons defending his personal point of view on an email list full of conservatives? ;-) You aren't a

[ZION] High Priest

Then you would logically follow from your argument that one wouldn't have to be ordained a god, king and high priest? That's not what I read in the scriptures. I read in Rev 1:6 and other references that we must be made kings and high priests unto God the Father. K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smith

[ZION] I just hate it

Hopefully Marc and Stephen can remember to be Christians first, and right second. As for being dizzy. Maybe you need to not follow either. Perhaps they are both wrong, or both right. There isn't always a black and white answer. They are both giving good reasonings, however issues can go deeper tha

[ZION] High Priests

We learn in D&C 107 that an apostle is a high priest, and although there are 15 ordained as apostles, technically it is a superset of high priest. Note the official title of the prophet of the Church: 64 Then comes the High Priesthood, which is the greatest of all. 65 Wherefore, it must needs be

[ZION] Tweaking Liechtensteiners

So, you are judging a small patch of Europe because you couldn't find an open restaurant? Have you tried doing that in Canada? I once had to cross three provinces in Canada to find an open restaurant! At least Liechtenstein has the presence of mind of being only 10 minutes from a good restaurant! O

[ZION] High Priests

It is partially an issue of maturity/age: placing those who have not had a line authority position requiring HP status, into the HP quorum/group, in order to strengthen the individual and also to strengthen the quorum. This happens depending upon the make up of the quorums/groups in a ward/branch

Re: [ZION] What's the point of high priests?

Hey, don't forget about us tweakers! Gary Smith wrote: > Don't feel bad, Stephen. You aren't the only antagonist on this list > > We have many that love antagonizing others. Perhaps we could use a > different term though. Antagonize seems so negative, and there is just > too much negativity t

Re: [ZION] RE: Voting and parties

Sorry, you're right -- you wrote "otherwise." But I don't see that it makes any difference to my ultimate point. In any case, I've admitted that I should have asked you what you meant before I responded, so you still have a point. Stephen Beecroft wrote: > Now, now, Marc. Giving you the last word

RE: [ZION] RE: Voting and parties

Now, now, Marc. Giving you the last word doesn't mean giving you license to misquote and make stuff up. To wit: > You used the phrase "[here] and elsewhere". It was the > "elsewhere" that I was taking objection to. This is untrue. I did not use the phrase "and elsewhere", as you yourself go on

RE: [ZION] RE: Voting and parties

At 09:09 PM, Tuesday, 10/22/02, Stephen Beecroft wrote: But in my judgment, you can't be a liberal Democrat, supporting the liberal Democrat party line, and still be a faithful, believing Latter-day Saint. Much as some, American and otherwise, might find that hard to understand, I think it's ta

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

At 01:39 PM, Tuesday, 10/22/02, Paul Osborne wrote: Sounds reasonable to me. Wouldn't it be a gas to learn that President Hinkley did in fact vote for Bush? I wonder what JWR would say then? Would he then take back his Gadianton accusations? Gore is a Gadianton too, so what choice do any of us

Re: [ZION] Stop kicking the stuffing out of Turkey

At 01:44 PM, Tuesday, 10/22/02, Paul Osborne wrote: O come on Steven, get real. We don't even know which of the Presidential candidates the GA's voted for let alone which parties they think the world leaders are in. So how come we know where President Benson stood on these issues? --JWR //

Re:RE: [ZION] Voting and parties

At 08:43 PM, Tuesday, 10/22/02, Val wrote: And, for the record I am a good Mormon Democrat (put the modifer where you will). The Republicans in my area are corrupt money grubbers. They could care less about me or any other John Q. Public type--just see who can line their pockets the best.

RE: [ZION] High priests

At 07:40 PM 10/22/2002 +, Stephen wrote: -Gary- > The only person among Elders with keys is the Elders Quorum president. In other words, the only elder with keys is the presiding elder. Well, of course. And the only high priest with keys is the presiding high priest. > Yet, his keys are limi

[ZION] Have you found Jesus?

There is a news story out that a private collector has shown an ossuary (stone box that holds the bones of a dead person), with the Aramaic inscription: "James, son of Joseph and brother of Jesus." This dates to about 70 AD, about the time that James the founder of the Christian Church in Jerusal

[ZION] liberal question

Well, Marc wouldn't fit this, as he isn't Democrat. So, in the case of liberal Canadians, I think they are able to be straight laced LDS. As for liberal Democrats, I think you could have one attending the temple. However, their belief system would definitely go against the gospel. The average lib

[ZION] Jimmy Carter - Nobel winner

Marc, it amazes me how deep you are on so many things, but then you go and say something that really shows you didn't fully think it through. An action by a person really doesn't mean much if it doesn't turn out as it should. Yes, Carter went to N Korea and supposedly defused the situation in 1994

[ZION] What's the point of high priests?

Don't feel bad, Stephen. You aren't the only antagonist on this list We have many that love antagonizing others. Perhaps we could use a different term though. Antagonize seems so negative, and there is just too much negativity these days. Let's try a nicer, more positive word, like, Taunt. Yea

Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro

Clifford M Dubery wrote: > Stephen, for some reason I didn't get your post so I am replying to Marc's and yours. > > I take my civic responsibilities seriously and decided some years ago, to join a >political party. My judgement was, the better party as far as my own beliefs and >interests go

Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro

Stephen, for some reason I didn't get your post so I am replying to Marc's and yours. I take my civic responsibilities seriously and decided some years ago, to join a political party. My judgement was, the better party as far as my own beliefs and interests go was the ALP. I felt corruption (re

Re: [ZION] Bad feelings

Stephen, I don't want the "last word" in that sense, and I certainly don't want to leave a bitter feeling in anyone's mind. I think our problem is that we're talking past each other. It happens often -- it's human nature. Human language is ambiguous by nature -- it's not like a programming language

Re: [ZION] RE: Voting and parties

Yer a gay blade, y'are, Paul ;-) (as they still say in Newfoundland) Paul Osborne wrote: > >Please don't define *our* language for us. You can demonize the word all > you > >want, but please keep your etymological waste products to yourself. > "Liberal" is > >still a perfectly fine word in the ma

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

OK. I was just wondering -- I won't argue the point. Paul Osborne wrote: > Marc: > >Now this is an interesting thought. Do you really think this follows? > (that the > >prophet's personal vote should, if it were known, be the example for the > rest of > >us?) And how do you handle the fact that i

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

Marc: >Now this is an interesting thought. Do you really think this follows? (that the >prophet's personal vote should, if it were known, be the example for the rest of >us?) And how do you handle the fact that in any case this *can* only apply to a >minority of LDS, since most LDS are not US? Fi

Re: [ZION] Stop kicking the stuffing out of Turkey

At 05:42 PM 10/22/2002, you wrote: >It was merely a rhetorical question. Oh. I'm a little dumb. ;-) Paul O As we all are at times. ;-) -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Nations are defined by their founders. George Washington set a standard of selfless public service and heroic pri

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

Paul Osborne wrote: > > > My point was two fold. If Bush was indeed a Gadianton as JWR says he is > it would be a sad and sorry thing for President Hinkley to vote for him. > That would really bother me quite a bit. O boy O boy! > I'm not sure I see that, but I won't argue the point. > > Secon

Re: [ZION] RE: Voting and parties

Stephen Beecroft wrote: > -Val- > > I am a good Mormon Democrat > > -Stephen- > > Then I'm willing to bet you're not a liberal Democrat. > > -Marc- > > Please don't define *our* language for us. > > Marc, I am talking to a fellow American here, You used the phrase "[here] and elsewhere". It wa

[ZION] Bad feelings

Marc, this back-and-forth between us has long ago degenerated into name-calling and accusations from your part, to the point that I am no longer enjoying the correspondence and find myself tempted to respond to you in kind. That's silly, of course; there is no point in being on a discussion lis

Re: [ZION] Stop kicking the stuffing out of Turkey

>It was merely a rhetorical question. Oh. I'm a little dumb. ;-) Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Re: [ZION] Cult of personality

Thanks for the additional information. Steven Montgomery wrote: > At 12:25 PM 10/22/2002, Marc wrote regarding the website www.rescue007.org: > > >AFAI am concerned, the site's purpose is to sell a book. But when I get to the > >other side I'll look for any KAL 007 vets. Who knows. > > I don't th

Re: [ZION] Voting and parties (was Re: Cuba and Castro)

Stephen Beecroft wrote: > -Stephen- > > Interesting. So, then, what did you intend to say when you wrote: > > > > So to say that my late father was a Democrat means that he > > was registered as a Democrat. As it happens, this is pretty > > meaningless, because the vote is secret,

Re: [ZION] RE: Voting and parties

>Please don't define *our* language for us. You can demonize the word all you >want, but please keep your etymological waste products to yourself. "Liberal" is >still a perfectly fine word in the majority of the English-speaking world. I agree. The Republicans are trying to kill a perfectly good

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

Marc: >Although I don't agree with John's terminology and system of reference in this >regard, logically speaking I don't see why he'd have to take back his >accusations. It's still a civic duty to vote -- that's clear LDS doctrine as far >as I know (okay, I'm extrapolating from the 12th AoF, but t

RE: [ZION] Voting and parties (was Re: Cuba and Castro)

-Stephen- > Interesting. So, then, what did you intend to say when you wrote: > > So to say that my late father was a Democrat means that he > was registered as a Democrat. As it happens, this is pretty > meaningless, because the vote is secret, and you can vote > for whomever y

Re: [ZION] High priests

Gary said: > There isn't anymore salvation promised to a high priest as to > an elder (as the MP is all that is required in this life), Yep. >but > eventually (presumably if not now, in the next life) one will > have to be a high priest to preside over a presidency in heaven. I don't think so G

Re: [ZION] Voting and parties (was Re: Cuba and Castro)

Stephen Beecroft wrote: > -Marc- > > Exactly. I was referring to state party conventions, what you > > call in US English, primaries. > > Interesting. So, then, what did you intend to say when you wrote: > > So to say that my late father was a Democrat means that he > was registered as

Re: [ZION] Stop kicking the stuffing out of Turkey

Steven Montgomery wrote: > Then what are we arguing about? Who's on first, I guess :-) -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland “We do not think that there is an incompatibility between words and deeds; the worst thing is to rush into action before

RE: [ZION] Voting and parties (was Re: Cuba and Castro)

-Marc- > Exactly. I was referring to state party conventions, what you > call in US English, primaries. Interesting. So, then, what did you intend to say when you wrote: So to say that my late father was a Democrat means that he was registered as a Democrat. As it happens, this is prett

RE: [ZION] RE: Voting and parties

-Val- > I am a good Mormon Democrat -Stephen- > Then I'm willing to bet you're not a liberal Democrat. -Marc- > Please don't define *our* language for us. Marc, I am talking to a fellow American here, not to an Aussie or a Brit. If your understanding of American politics too sparse to acquaint

Re: [ZION] Tweaking Canada

At 01:23 PM 10/22/2002, you wrote: I think it's time I correct an impression that I somehow have an anti-US bias. I can see how that would come out, and those of you who know me from LDS-Poll would see it even more there. The reasons, from *my* perspective, for this are that I am by nature a bit o

Re: [ZION] Stop kicking the stuffing out of Turkey

At 11:58 PM 10/21/2002, Marc wrote: Straw man, Steven. I have never tried to argue that Castro is not Communist, is not a dictator. We are talking right past each other. I'm admitting all the bad things you are saying about him, but saying that the US had a large -- indeed, the major -- part

Re: [ZION] Stop kicking the stuffing out of Turkey

At 12:44 PM 10/22/2002, you wrote: >Trouble is, where is the General Authority >who disagrees with ETB regarding this particular issue, that of Fidel >Castro being a communist? I haven't been able to find one. Perhaps there is >a general consensus then? O come on Steven, get real. We don't even

Re: [ZION] Cult of personality

At 12:25 PM 10/22/2002, Marc wrote regarding the website www.rescue007.org: AFAI am concerned, the site's purpose is to sell a book. But when I get to the other side I'll look for any KAL 007 vets. Who knows. I don't think the site sell's enough books to pay for itself. The reason Bert Schlos

Re: [ZION] RE: Voting and parties

Stephen Beecroft wrote: > -Val- > > And, for the record I am a good Mormon Democrat (put > > the modifer where you will). > > Then I'm willing to bet you're not a liberal Democrat. Because of that, > many other Democrats would certainly not consider you to be "good". But > I agree with you; it

Re: [ZION] Voting and parties (was Re: Cuba and Castro)

Exactly. I was referring to state party conventions, what you call in US English, primaries. Stephen Beecroft wrote: > -Marc- > > In the U.S. every voter registers for a party (or as an > > independent -- as I recall the rules vary considerably from > > -Stephen- > > This is not correct. > > -Mar

RE: [ZION] RE: Voting and parties

-Val- > And, for the record I am a good Mormon Democrat (put > the modifer where you will). Then I'm willing to bet you're not a liberal Democrat. Because of that, many other Democrats would certainly not consider you to be "good". But I agree with you; it's possible to be a faithful Latter-da

RE: [ZION] Voting and parties (was Re: Cuba and Castro)

-Marc- > In the U.S. every voter registers for a party (or as an > independent -- as I recall the rules vary considerably from -Stephen- > This is not correct. -Marc- > Please don't interrupt. Oops. My bad. I had thought this was John Redelfs' discussion list, not Marc Schindler's lecture hall.

RE: [ZION] Tweaking Canada

-Stephen- > Let's see if I understand what you wrote. Here is what I heard: > > "I am not anti-US. Rather, I am anti-Big-Kahoona, and the US is > the Big Kahoona right now." > > Please confirm if I have actual reason to laugh, or if I've somehow > misunderstood you. -Marc- > I think my original po

Re:RE: [ZION] Voting and parties

-- Larry Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mark Gregson: You mean to say that you cannot vote in the US unless you register your "preference"? Is that true? And if it is, what's the point of it? Since your vote is secret, why register a preference? ___ I do not recall

Re: [ZION] Voting and parties (was Re: Cuba and Castro)

Stephen Beecroft wrote: > -Marc- > > In the U.S. every voter registers for a party (or as an > > independent -- as I recall the rules vary considerably from > > This is not correct. Please don't interrupt. If you read the whole post, I made clear that this was to vote in party conventions -- wh

Re: [ZION] Tweaking Canada

Stephen Beecroft wrote: > -Marc- > > I think it's time I correct an impression that I somehow have > > an anti-US bias. [...] I am by nature a bit of a contrarian [...] > > the US is the superpower de jour. A century ago I would have > > been "anti-English" so to speak. > > Let's see if I unders

Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro

As might your post wrt the list's charter :-/ If, otoh, he takes Pres. Jensen's approach, he works as a force for good from within, then he's following the brethren's counsel. Stephen Beecroft wrote: > -Clifford- > > Well well well, what a discussion about whether Castro was a > > communist as b

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

Although I don't agree with John's terminology and system of reference in this regard, logically speaking I don't see why he'd have to take back his accusations. It's still a civic duty to vote -- that's clear LDS doctrine as far as I know (okay, I'm extrapolating from the 12th AoF, but the point i

Re: [ZION] High priests have money

I think I see your point, even past the tongue in your cheek, and hadn't thought about that. The Lord needs a pool to draw from, and the HP are that pool, so whether any given HP is or is not eventually called to what I keep calling a posiiton of line authority (to use a secular term) is irrelevant

RE: [ZION] Voting and parties (was Re: Cuba and Castro)

-Marc- > In the U.S. every voter registers for a party (or as an > independent -- as I recall the rules vary considerably from This is not correct. -Mark- > What? You mean to say that you cannot vote in the US unless > you register your "preference"? Is that true? No, it is not true. Many stat

RE: [ZION] Tweaking Canada

-Marc- > I think it's time I correct an impression that I somehow have > an anti-US bias. [...] I am by nature a bit of a contrarian [...] > the US is the superpower de jour. A century ago I would have > been "anti-English" so to speak. Let's see if I understand what you wrote. Here is what I hear

RE: [ZION] High priests

-Gary- > The only person among Elders with keys is the Elders Quorum president. In other words, the only elder with keys is the presiding elder. Well, of course. And the only high priest with keys is the presiding high priest. > Yet, his keys are limited. As are the bishop's or stake president

Re: [ZION] High priests

We had a riveting High Council speaker for quite a while (I know, I know, it's an oxymoron, and that's the point -- that's why he was so outstanding). A refugee from Pinochet's Chile, he was a widower and doggone it all, went and married a divorcée in our ward, stealing her into one of the big city

Re: [ZION] Stop kicking the stuffing out of Turkey

Thank you. Steven Montgomery wrote: > At 12:03 AM 10/22/2002, Marc wrote: > > >What difference does that make to the point I've been trying to make that > >it was > >US meddling that paved the way to his [Castro's] rise to power? > > We have no argument here. I agree. Although probably for differ

[ZION] The new public "mall" at Temple Square

Interesting article from today's SL Trib: <> -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland “We do not think that there is an incompatibility between words and deeds; the worst thing is to rush into action before

RE: [ZION] Voting and parties

Mark Gregson: You mean to say that you cannot vote in the US unless you register your "preference"? Is that true? And if it is, what's the point of it? Since your vote is secret, why register a preference? ___ I do not recall living in a state where you had to declare a party p

Re: Voting and parties (was Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro)

Mark Gregson wrote: > > > In the U.S. every voter registers for a party (or as an independent -- as I recall >the rules vary considerably from > > What? You mean to say that you cannot vote in the US unless you register your >"preference"? Is that true? And if it is, what's the point of it?

[ZION] More on James's Ossuary

More on the alleged find of James's ossuary (James the brother of Jesus): <<http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021022/UBONEN/Headlines/headdex/headdexInternational_temp/22/22/29/>> One note of caution which I'm sure many of you already know: Her

[ZION] Tweaking Canada

ilt by a subsidiary of SGB -- Saudi Group Binladen, the construction firm founded by Osama bin Laden's father, Mohammed. There's no link between SGB and Osama bin Laden per se anymore, I just thought it was an interesting irony. Okay, finally to the link about Canadian mining companies b

[ZION] Iraqi women

he hasn't cooperated with them for his own purposes). Women have a more open role in Iraq than in many other countries in the region: <<http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021022/UWOMEN/International/international/international_temp/1/1/29/>> -- Marc

Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro

On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 01:45:06 -0600, "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Being a "member" of a party in our Westminster system means something > different than it does in the U.S. In the U.S. every voter registers for > a party (or as an independent -- as I recall the rules vary consider

Re: [ZION] Stop kicking the stuffing out of Turkey

>Trouble is, where is the General Authority >who disagrees with ETB regarding this particular issue, that of Fidel >Castro being a communist? I haven't been able to find one. Perhaps there is >a general consensus then? O come on Steven, get real. We don't even know which of the Presidential ca

Re: [ZION] First Presidency statement on war

I agree. The term "forgive" can be ambiguous; in the moral sense we are to forgive everyone, but the term is often used in a secular sense of not bringing them to justice, as in dismissing their crime. And I wanted to make it clear that that wasn't what I believed. Scott McGee wrote: > On Sun, 20

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

Sounds reasonable to me. Wouldn't it be a gas to learn that President Hinkley did in fact vote for Bush? I wonder what JWR would say then? Would he then take back his Gadianton accusations? Paul O On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:15:49 -0600 "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I look at it

Re: [ZION] Cult of personality

>A person can be a Democrat and a good Mormon, or he can be a Mormon and a >good Democrat; but he cannot be both a good Democrat and a good Mormon. -->JWR I can see that John has slammed the Democrat Mormons with his little jingle. So, if a Democrat can be a good Mormon but a good Democrat canno

Re: [ZION] Cult of personality

I owe you a bit of an apology, I think. I went to the link this time -- I have to admit I was not aware there was a theory that the plane didn't actually crash. I merely assumed you were repeating a story I've heard often, that the plane was deliberately targeted because McDonald was on board (whic

Re: [ZION] High priests

At 12:08 10/22/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote: My spouse is a Vulcan, and she's giving me the death grip. Till was Vulcanized once. To keep his brains from leaking out. Unfortunately, it was too little, too late Till who's too "tired" to go "round and round" on this, so just "wheel" me

Re: [ZION] High priests have money

On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:54:03 -0600 "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Okay, this is all very interesting and very useful (and I mean that > sincerely), > so let me ask another question: what about those of us who are > unlikely, for one > reason or another (assuming, of course, th

Re: [ZION] High priests

And you thought when we leaned over in Sacrament meeting and our spouses put their arms on the back of our necks it was meant as a gesture of affection, too, probably. Ah, the naïveté :-) "Elmer L. Fairbank" wrote: > At 07:59 10/21/2002 -0500, Gary wrote: > > >And yes, we have a secret handsh

RE: [ZION] Cuba and Castro

-Clifford- > Well well well, what a discussion about whether Castro was a > communist as before the revolution or even earlier. One would > think this some how negates his concerns about the poverty of > his people and the domination of his country by US corporations Yes, I suppose one might thin

Re: [ZION] High priests

At 08:48 10/22/2002 -0400, Patient noJ wrote: Till - every time we went over this handshake I tried to wake you up, but to no avail. I would have had your home teacher go over it with you, but we can only teach it in the HP group meeting. They sure were cool dreams, too. Something to do with

Re: [ZION] First Presidency statement on war

On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 00:54:26 -0600, "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > No one has asked anybody to forgive terrorists. They deserve to be > brought to justice Perhaps I am wrong, but my understanding is that we _DO_ have to forgive the terrorists. That doesn't, however, mean that they

Re: [ZION] Cult of personality

At 12:01 AM 10/22/2002, Marc wrote: Was he LDS? (just curious; I know the incident you're talking about. I also know there's absolutely no proof that he was "taken out" -- that's an old canard, although I'm not surprised it's still quacking in certain circles). To my knowledge Larry P. McDonald

Re: [ZION] High priests

Till - every time we went over this handshake I tried to wake you up, but to no avail. I would have had your home teacher go over it with you, but we can only teach it in the HP group meeting. Noj Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: > At 07:59 10/21/2002 -0500, Gary wrote: > > >And yes, we have a secret ha

Voting and parties (was Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro)

> In the U.S. every voter registers for a party (or as an independent -- as I recall >the rules vary considerably from What? You mean to say that you cannot vote in the US unless you register your "preference"? Is that true? And if it is, what's the point of it? Since your vote is secr

Re: [ZION] Stop kicking the stuffing out of Turkey

At 12:03 AM 10/22/2002, Marc wrote: What difference does that make to the point I've been trying to make that it was US meddling that paved the way to his [Castro's] rise to power? We have no argument here. I agree. Although probably for different reasons. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECT

RE: [ZION] High priests

Till writes: What??? I thought that was just the special grip that we use to keep each other from falling out of chairs when we fell asleep. ___ Oh, Till. It serves a far more important purpose than that. As you shake right hands, place two fingers of the left hand just ins

Re: [ZION] High priests

At 07:59 10/21/2002 -0500, Gary wrote: And yes, we have a secret handshake that you elders know nothing about. What??? I thought that was just the special grip that we use to keep each other from falling out of chairs when we fell asleep. Till /

[ZION] Greetings from Tom Valetta

Presidente Valetta says hello to all his old friends on Zion. Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

RE: [ZION] Notice from Listowner

MStar, the service I use, hasn't been bouncing anything as far as we can tell. It's even allowed some messages which one would think MStar's filter would stop. (So-called "adult" messages. Why is it that "mature" and "adult" now mean anything but mature or adult?) But I FINALLY, FINALLY, FIN

RE: [ZION] What's the point of high priests?

-John- > Stephen, it would be helpful if you would also contribute to the > list when you are happy with us. We know that you will straighten > us out if we make a mistake, but that shouldn't be our whole > relationship, do you think? Of course not. Forgive me. I had assume a discussion list was

Re: [ZION] Cult of personality

Well, Pres. Jensen begs to differ. As in his interview, he points to the fact that both loaves need leaven (my words, not his, but that's my take on what he says). "John W. Redelfs" wrote: > At 12:01 AM, Tuesday, 10/22/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote: > >Actually I had posted this because some people

Re: [ZION] Cult of personality

At 12:01 AM, Tuesday, 10/22/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote: Actually I had posted this because some people had voiced doubts about whether you could be a good member and a Democrat. This idea is often attributed to a well-known GA. A person can be a Democrat and a good Mormon, or he can be a Mormon

Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro

Clifford M Dubery wrote: > > > If being a Democrat in the US is a threat to ones worthiness, where does that put >me, a member of the Australian Labor Party? > Being a "member" of a party in our Westminster system means something different than it does in the U.S. In the U.S. every voter regi