Re: [css-d] IE spacing question

2007-07-27 Thread David Laakso
Julian Tulip's Licorice wrote:
 I am starting my first (almost) all CSS site, and I already have a question.
 Probably typical...
 If you look at the site:
 http://www.johnkehm.com/jk
 http://www.johnkehm.com/jk/style.css

 The 'print examples, web examples and contact' box renders differently
 between Firefox and IE6.

 IE moves it down and left quite a few pixels and also adds spacing between
 the links.

 It must be an easy fix?
 I would like to learn the hacks etc as I go.

 Any help is appreciated,
 John
   


You are mixing apples and oranges (among other things). An element can't 
be both float and absolute positioned. Putting the margin for the nav on 
the li instead of the ul fixes (sort of) IE6 and IE7. The border 
attribute is not valid with an xhtml 1.0 strict doctype. These and other 
corrections are on the file 
http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/jk.html.

Not to rain on your parade but you'll be more successful with CSS if 
allow the software to do the work and embrace Web standards and 
accessibility. Emulating a table-based layout and/or print media concept 
in CSS is counter to what some of us cherish.

Best,
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

2007-07-28 Thread David Laakso
trevor bayliss wrote:


 */David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:


 
  Thanks as ever for the reply David. I have implemented those
 changes
  http://216.219.94.105/david1.htm and will change the p´s and h´s to
  make it look smarter. The AccessibilityCheck box that reads:
 ignore
  font sizes I have done-what a nightmare I feel like I´m back to
  square one again now! I have no idea where to start to sort out the
  problem the cl div (which is the offending one) is floated
 right. The
  only tools I have knowledge of are clear for this case. I will try
  clearing right and clearing left and clearing both and see what
 happens.


 The word Environment (under the 4th image) may be too wide, thus
 pushing out and dropping the float because there is not enough
 room for
 it. Clearing is not going to help. Reduce the font size slightly
 for all
 those h's under the images. And in the mark up the word
 Environment with
 soft hyphens, like so: En­vir­on­ment. This will cause the
 word to hyphenate when scaled in IE. See if the float still drops at
 text-size largest.
 ~d

 -

  
 What an awesome bit of code the soft hyphens David! Shame it only 
 works with IE as it could sort out some of my breaking issues in FF!! ;)
 Stupid question while trying to follow your advice how can I 
 change the h´s under the images if the h´s size isn´t controlled by my 
 style sheet anymore with The AccessibilityCheck box that reads: 
 ignore font sizes . I can change them fine for ff obviously but for 
 IE how can I do that? Or do I need to use a default tag that will give 
 me a default size?


The file [1] is now holding in IE6without dropping the float at 
text-size largest with font-sizes ignored. The answer to your question 
is endless tweaking of col widths, font-sizes, margins, padding, and 
adding clear: right; to to the further most right column.

Extensive change has been made to the CSS as well as some changes to the 
markup. Make sure you backup your current file!

Cursory tested in IE6, IE7, Opera, Firefox, and Camino.

You or someone on the list who has more patience, time, and skill will 
need to correct the remaining issues.

[1] http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/trevor-03.html

Best,

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Re: [css-d] unwanted whitespace around li tags

2007-07-28 Thread David Laakso
Erin Spangler wrote:
 http://www.clients.thedogsonline.com/DriscolsBlueGenes/index2.html

 I've zeroed the margins and padding on every element that I can think 
 of, yet I'm still getting some whitespace between my list items. I 
 left the green background color of the ul so you can see the space I'm 
 referring to. I've validated my HTML, so I don't think that's it either. 
 Any assistance would be appreciated. You'll find my CSS embedded in the 
 document for now.

 Thanks!

   
If you add this to your style sheet, dose it close?
img {display: block;}
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Re: [css-d] I've got the IE blues...

2007-07-29 Thread David Laakso
John Lockerbie wrote:
 Dear Listers,

 I think my test site - http://catnaps.org/latest/saturday.html with
 http://catnaps.org/latest/latest.css - works on most popular sites,
 including WinIE7. However WinIE5.1, WinIE5.5 and WinIE6 appear to have
 what I assume is the double margin bug but which I can't resolve.
 WinIE5.5 also has a problem with the top  menu bar.

 On the Mac browsers all is mostly as it should be, though I don't know
 how it behaves on Opera.

 Please could somebody suggest how to to resolve the 5.1/5.5/6 problem
 - and could they have a look at it on Opera?

   


Interesting. It looks fine in ie/mc5.2 (bless it's loving little heart). 
I am not running a pc right now so can't check 6  7.
IYou'll want to install Opera: she is not containing the top and bottom 
divisions Menu for al-Salata al-jadida pages.
On a local file, deleting the /height/ and adding float:left; to 
selector #menucontainer1, #menucontainer2, seemed to help (but not sure 
how it will play out cross-browser).
Also Opera (at least on a mac) is not honoring the font-specification 
for the top and bottom h-nav's and did not look into the reason but 
deleting the letter-spacing may at least put it on one-line.

Trivial pursuits: Not nice (in my opinion) to feed all that tiny content 
type to win/ie in pixels forcing most of the world's users to jump 
through hoops to ignore your font sizes in order to read it.

Best,
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Re: [css-d] I've got the IE blues...

2007-07-29 Thread David Laakso
John Lockerbie wrote:
 David,

 Thank you for the comments. I should have said it seems to be fine on
 Mac/Opera, as it does on Safari and Firefox, it's the Windows
 environments I've no access to.

 I'd not spotted the font size problem as I'm new to coding. This is my
 third attempt to redesign my site - see the problem in
 http://catnaps.org/islamic/islaurb.html - in order to reduce page
 lengths.


 JL
   


The comments I made regarding Opera are when I veiwed it on a mac:
Version
9.21
Build
3678
Platform
MacOS X
System
10.4.9

If page height is an issue could you split the pages or use js to open 
and close division sections.

With regard to fonts, I am referring more to IE's inability to scale 
fonts when set in pixels, /regardless of page height,/ unless the user 
goes through the drill of putting the browser in accessiblity mode 
with the ignore font-sizes specified box checked.

One way to avoid this is to set percent at user default (100%) on the 
body, and then use percent on individual selectors throughout the style 
sheet as needed (line-height is best specified as a raw number).
For example:
body {font: 100%/1.4 arial, helvetica, sans-serif;}
h1 {font-size: 180%;}
#footer p {font-size: 80%; line-height: 1.2;}

Best,

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Re: [css-d] CSS image/div handling questions...

2007-07-29 Thread David Laakso
Andrew Wallace wrote:
 Ok, so I think I'm starting to get a handle on this CSS stuff. Maybe.
 I have the following page:


 http://test.diamondwphotography.com/travel/DisplayTrip.php?n=200706_SWV


 And I have a few specific issues I'm wrasslin' with. I have images wrapped
 in divs, so that I can keep image and caption together, and have a border
 around the set.


 andy



   


The easiest way to resolve any html/css problem is to make sure the 
document is valid [1]. There are something like 49 markup errors on your 
page. A well constructed page can sometimes fail to render properly with 
one markup error. Granted your page may not, or probably will not, work 
as intended even if valid, this may be the best place to start...

[1] http://validator.w3.org/

Best,

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Re: [css-d] I've got the IE blues...

2007-07-30 Thread David Laakso
John Lockerbie wrote:
 On 30/07/07, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 John Lockerbie wrote:
 
 I forgot to say, I've still got the problem with what I think is the
 IE double margin problem which I can't seem to solve. It shows itself
 in Win IE 5.1,5.5 and 6, but not 7. See Browsershots:
 http://browsershots.org/website/http://catnaps.org/latest/saturday.html

 Does anybody know what I've done wrong?

 Regards
 JL

   

 The address for the problem float drop which occurs on Win IE 5.1,5.5
 and 6 but not 7, is: http://catnaps.org/latest/saturday.html with css
 file: http://catnaps.org/latest/latest.css

 With kind regards
 JL

   


John,


If you can cope with not having cross-browser pixel perfection, the 
correction on a local file (without hacking) is to change the margin in 
#sidebar to read:
margin: 10px 0 10px 5px;

Others on the list may offer a better alternative.

Best,

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Re: [css-d] I've got the IE blues...

2007-07-30 Thread David Laakso
John Lockerbie wrote:
 On 30/07/07, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 John Lockerbie wrote:
 
 On 30/07/07, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 John Lockerbie wrote:

 
 I forgot to say, I've still got the problem with what I think is the
 IE double margin problem which I can't seem to solve. It shows itself
 in Win IE 5.1,5.5 and 6, but not 7. See Browsershots:
 http://browsershots.org/website/http://catnaps.org/latest/saturday.html

 Does anybody know what I've done wrong?

 Regards
 JL


   
 The address for the problem float drop which occurs on Win IE 5.1,5.5
 and 6 but not 7, is: http://catnaps.org/latest/saturday.html with css
 file: http://catnaps.org/latest/latest.css

 With kind regards
 JL


   
 John,


 If you can cope with not having cross-browser pixel perfection, the
 correction on a local file (without hacking) is to change the margin in
 #sidebar to read:
 margin: 10px 0 10px 5px;

 Others on the list may offer a better alternative.

 Best,

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 David,

 I'll have a look at that suggestion though I would prefer to get a
 more symmetrically arrangement if at all possible.

 With kind regards
 JL
   



John,

I experimented a little and have it closer in compliant browsers as well 
as IE7 through IE5.01 (did not check mac/ie5.2). It may not pass a 
micrometer test for cross browser pixel perfection but it is far better 
than it was.

Note that the file is now in quirks for IE6 and down, and that in 5,5 
and 5.01 the page is now centered. You'll want to validate. And I don't 
remember all that I changed. You'll need compare my styles with yours.

The uri is:
http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/arch.html

Best,
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Re: [css-d] I've got the IE blues...

2007-07-30 Thread David Laakso


 
 David,

 Thank you very much for your time and effort. I'll take a close look
 at what you've done and see if I can then amend my site to suit.
 Incidentally, the site was always supposed to be centred.

 I've been trying to re-rationalise what I'm doing and simplify it but
 seem to be getting lost with all the different methods I'm trying.
 Isn't css fun...?

 With kind regards
 JL

   




John,

You are welcome and I hope it works out.

And, yes CSS is fun (particularly when you can find answers in the list 
archives that have not been messed up by folks who top post).

Best,

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Re: [css-d] font problem?

2007-07-30 Thread David Laakso
Luc wrote:
  Good afternoon list,

  I just encountered a strange phenomena (at least to me):

  resizing the text in Fireworks and Moz, breaks up my navigation
  (around increasing to 200% and up), while in Opera it holds up to
  1000% and in IE up to extra big.

  I tried setting the general font rule to 100% but that didn't solve
  it, tried setting the width of the #navcontainer to 9.5 ems but to no
  avail...

  What am i overlooking here?

  http://www.dzinelabs.com/projects/MPT/Pages/index.php

  http://www.dzinelabs.com/projects/MPT/Styles/MP.css
  
   


I have no idea what you are overlooking. Except maybe Opera handles 
stuff different. And something movable (type) on top of something static 
(an image) is problematic (except maybe in Opera, sometimes).

Did not try it, but...  try re-setting to 100% on the body, reducing the 
font-size on the nav (and repeating the image on the nav y-axis)?

body {
 font : 100% Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; --- :: 
re-set from 76% to 100%
...
}

#navcontainer li {
font-size: 80%; ---:: declare
background: url(../Images/navbackground.gif) repeat-y 0 0.1em; ---:: 
declare repeat-y instead of no-repeat
...
}

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Re: [css-d] No brainer with margin/padding

2007-08-01 Thread David Laakso
Luc wrote:
  Good evening list,

  This has got to be a no-brainer but i can't get my hands on it:

  i've got a customed error page where the margin/padding is driving me
  nuts.

  the h1 holds the warning: Error 403: Forbidden Access forbidden to
  remote server

  The goal is to have Error 403: sitting flush to the left of the
  container and to have Forbidden Access forbidden to remote server
  flush to the right of the container.

  Error 403: has a class with a float: left. This of course does the
  trick but i was trying to get the same effect without float, just
  by using marging/padding but that doesn't fall to well... trying
  several values i couldn't get it aligned like i want.

  http://www.dzinelabs.com/projects/MPT/Pages/error

  http://www.dzinelabs.com/Stylesheets/error
  
  
   



You could use absolute positioning, but that always seems to cause more 
problems than it is worth (for me) .
This [1] is one way to do it with floats and has been cursory tested in 
ie6 and 7 and in compliant browsers.
http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/forbidden.html
HTH.
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Re: [css-d] Zen Garden as a model and my printing issues

2007-08-01 Thread David Laakso

  I’m just really curious if I need to relearn how to code pages with CSS in 
 order to solve this printing issue.



 Luke Ling


   
Oh, is that all...
1/ Google using the subject line: css- print style sheets
2/ 40 layouts with the primary content first in the source 
http://blog.html.it/layoutgala/
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Re: [css-d] Site Check

2007-08-01 Thread David Laakso
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just a basic site check:

 http://resume.christianziebarth.com/

 I'm trying to be very modern here while keeping it simple. I'm using the 
 Yahoo reset.css and a screen style sheet, a print style sheet, and a handheld 
 style sheet. The testing I've been able to do indicates that everything's 
 working fine. Thanks in advance.

 Christian Ziebarth

   




Very simple and nice, Christian. A little difficult to distinguish 
clickable links. And as a personal and subjective, thought just a a 
little touch or hint of color might be a nice touch?
BTW, the css validation service has an issue resolving your host name.

Best,
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Re: [css-d] Opera not delivering the goods

2007-08-04 Thread David Laakso
Ian Young wrote:

 Development of liquid site is coming on. Ok in Safari, FF, IE6 and IE7.
 However, in Opera the divs don't align on right hand side.
 How frustrating.
 http://www.iyesolutions.co.uk/templates/trossachs/index-3.html
 compare with fixed col version at
 http://www.iyesolutions.co.uk/templates/trossachs/

 Any thoughts guys?


   



I am going to take the plunge and guess that the difficulty may be that 
you've used fractional percent column widths and Opera is rounding them 
causing the page to be a different width than Firefox. The rounding 
percent issue is a known Opera problem.

Best,
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Re: [css-d] Help! I Have NO Idea What I'm Doing

2007-08-04 Thread David Laakso
Elli Vizcaino wrote:
 Ok I figured out how to get my flowers to line up
 where I wanted them to. It turns out I had to adjust
 the pixel value in my width properties by a couple
 pixels. 

 I still need to figure out why the bottom-margin I
 gave the blue row doesn't show up in Safari. So if any
 one cares to chime in - I'd greatly appreciate it. 

 TIA
 Elli 


   

 So I created: www.E7Flux.com/index3.html in an 


 Here is the CSS: http://e7flux.com/css/e7flux.css

 Hoping someone can help me solve this. 

 TIA, 
 Elli 

 


   




Perhaps you have fixed this, or I do not understand the problem...
As far as I can tell the page is rendering consistently in 10.4.10 in 
safari, webkit, camino, and opera.
Best,
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Re: [css-d] best way to display a non-inline image

2007-08-05 Thread David Laakso
Michael Leibson wrote:
 Here's a very basic question (I hope!):  

 What is the most efficient way to display a non-inline image
 (eg, a logo) that will stand on its own (ie, with no superimposed text, etc)?

 As a 'background-image' within a div?

 With an inline style, with 'display' set to 'block'?  
 (Eg, img src=image.jpg style=display:block; width: 100px; margin: 
 0;)
 If as an inline style, is there a way to define this back in the style sheet 
 - perhaps with an ID?

 Some other way?   

 I can't find anything that addresses this in Meyer's 'CSS-Definitive Guide'.

 Thanks!

 - Michael

   


If  the logo is purely decorative (no image text) then my guess is one 
would use a background image.

If the logo has image text then I guess you might call it from the 
source document (html); and, call the style for it from an external css 
file (rather than using inline styles). For example:
#header img {...}
And, then also provide some means for users,  with or without assistive 
devises (screen readers), to read the image text. This is one such 
technique:
http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/tip.asp

I hope this answers your question.

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[css-d] font-size :: opera

2007-08-06 Thread David Laakso
Both win/opera (9.1) and mac/opera (9.22) are rendering h1 smaller than 
intended in this rough layout:
http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/experimental.html
Why be that?
Thanks,
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Re: [css-d] font-size :: opera

2007-08-06 Thread David Laakso
Felix Miata wrote:
 On 2007/08/06 10:03 (GMT-0400) David Laakso apparently typed:

   
 Both win/opera (9.1) and mac/opera (9.22) are rendering h1 smaller than 
 intended in this rough layout:
 http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/experimental.html
 Why be that?
 

 H1-H6 in Opera have their own unique preference sizes in px unrelated to
 whatever size you may have set on web page normal text. You didn't set a
 font-size on any ancestor of H1, so NAICT, it uses the standard 32px Opera H1
 default to have your 685% applied to.
   


O.K.

The fix (unless someone has a better way) for this particular layout 
seems to be:

h1 {
/*font-size : 685%; */ --- :: delete
font-size : 262%; --- :: add
}

#header { 
background-color : #c0c0c0;
width : 100%;
font-size : 262%; --- :: add
float : left;
}

And revise the markup so that the ul is beneath, rather than enclosed, 
in the header division.

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Re: [css-d] Frustrating Problems in IE6

2007-08-06 Thread David Laakso
Matthew Stoneback wrote:

  

 I have two issues with my design and IE6.  If anyone can help I would be
 greatly appreciated.

  

 First, the navigation located on the left and right side is set up to have a
 hover effect.



Adding 100% width to the anchor should fix both (I only did the right nav)




  

  

 Validation: I know I have a few problems. 
   

The doctype has been corrected and a different xml declaration and 
method for character encoding used.
The language part of the js call was deleted and CDATA sections (or 
whatever one calls those things)  is used to hidw the js from the validator.





  

 Here is the link to my HTML: http://www.eddysound.com/filing/

  

 Here is the link to my second HTML page:
 http://www.eddysound.com/filing/html/felony.htm

  

 Here is the link to my CSS: http://www.eddysound.com/filing/style/epso.css

  

  

 Matthew Stoneback


   

I forgot to put in all your images. The file is valid now. I am not sure 
I answerted all your questions-- but it is a start.
See:
 http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/justice.html

Hang in there. You are doing fine.

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Re: [css-d] font-size :: opera

2007-08-06 Thread David Laakso
Bruno Fassino wrote:
 David Laakso wrote:
   
 Both win/opera (9.1) and mac/opera (9.22) are rendering h1 smaller
 than intended in this rough layout:
 http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/experimental.html Why
 be that?
 

 The problem seems caused by the inability of Opera 9 to manage font-size
 expressed in percentage greater than about 500%. You have found a good fix
 that avoids such percentages, another one would be to use em, so instead of
 font-size: 685% write font-size: 68.5em.

 At least this is what I see in a simplified test case:
 Compare this page in Opera and Firefox:
   http://www.brunildo.org/test/bigpercfont2.pl?pc0=100pc1=1000step=50
 A sequence of 'I' of increasing sizes, first from 100% to 1000%, and then
 from 1em to 10em, are displayed.
 This first sequence in Opera 9 stops increasing at about 500%.

 You still have a  font-size: 550% on the h3, which are indeed slightly
 smaller in Opera then in Firefox.

 Best regards,
 Bruno


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 Bruno Fassino http://www.brunildo.org/test

   


Ah, so that's what this is all about!

Thank you for the test page.

The method you suggest of using em when over 500% for Opera9 is much 
simpler solution for this page and works fine (I believe we meant 
converting 685% to 6.85em, rather than 68.5em).

I deleted the percent setting on #header and and h1 and re-set and 
tweaked h1 to:
font : bold 6.9em/0.8 arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
This seems to be working well in both win  mac opera (and the evil one).
h3 is more consistent in opera as compared to ff in setting it from 555% 
to 5.6em.

The revised page uri is:
http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/experimental01.html

Thanks.

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Re: [css-d] image replacement techniques and CSS

2007-08-08 Thread David Laakso
Michael Leibson wrote:
 Hi,

 I've a question about image replacement techniques and CSS.  For details, 
 please see:  

 http://members.distributel.net/~leibson/Gilder-Levin.htm 

 Thanks.

 - Michael







   


I am not sure how to answer your question /or/ if I can answer it at all.

In a situation where you want to use a /particular heading font/ that is 
not available on any or all cross user operating systems, you can set 
that font (providing you have on your system) as an image using Photoshop.

Image replacement is more a means of putting heading content in your 
file as text. And then overlaying that text /with an image of the text 
in the particular font/ that is not available on any or all cross user 
operating systems. You get the advantage of providing the particular 
font /you/ want in your headings without compromising (maybe) the 
benefits of accessibility.

Best,

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Re: [css-d] Why does font-size not work?

2007-08-11 Thread David Laakso

 On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, Robert Tilley wrote:

   
 style
 p { color: white; font-size: large; }
 /style
 /head

 body

 div style=color: white; font-size: large;
 pSample text of a large size./p
 /div
 

It works. Perhaps you do not see it because there is no point of reference?
Try:
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN
 http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml;
head
meta http-equiv=content-type
content=text/html; charset=utf-8 /
titlelarge/title
style type=text/css
body {color: #000; background-color: #fff; }
p.c1 {font-size: large; }
/style
/head
body
div
pSample text at user default./p
p class=c1Sample text of a large size./p
/div
/body
/html


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Re: [css-d] IE 6 shell game

2007-08-13 Thread David Laakso
tedd wrote:
 Hi gang:

 Please review:

 http://www.webbytedd.com/clients/torch/philosophy.php

 While using IE 6 (for both Win-XT and Win-2K) the text in the main 
 section of this page (below the menu and above the footer) is 
 displayed sometimes and other times it's hidden.

 Any ideas as to why this is happening?

 Thanks,

 tedd


   

Try?:

#content
{
width: 900px;   ---::  add width to this selector to give it 
layout [1] ::
}
[1] http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html

Best,

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Re: [css-d] Hover [reformulated]

2007-08-15 Thread David Laakso
faramineux wrote:
 Here is the basic code I use for links:

 a:link {
 color: #5a0113;
 font-size: 13px;
 font-weight: normal;
 text-decoration: none;
 }

 a:hover {
 color: #2B4058;
 font-size: 13px;
 font-weight: normal;
 background-color: #fffbdf;
 border-bottom-style: dashed;
 border-bottom-width: 1px;
 }

 The 3 linked images - including the logo -  on the page show the  
 styling too on hover! For example when I hover over the logo, the  
 dash line/color appear under the logo. Something is wrong
   

It is a guessing game until you supply a clickable link to the page in 
question with your post to the list.

In the meantime, try adding this ruleset to your style sheet:

img a:hover {
text-decorarion: none;
border-bottom: none;
}

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Re: [css-d] Nested list problem

2007-08-15 Thread David Laakso
Michelle Tarby wrote:
 Let me preface this by saying I got roped into fixing someone else's 
 code - can someone tell me why the first item in the white is shifting 
 over to the left in IE:

 http://wwwdev.lemoyne.edu/education/graduate.html

 I'm almost tempted to throw the whole thing out and start with clean 
 css, but its got me stumped.

 Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

   

Defeatist that I am, I tend to agree with your opinion to start from 
scratch (but someone else on the list may offer a simple fix).
I did not look at it in IE as I do not believe it is working as intended 
in compliant browsers, either. Mixed bag of conflicting rules confusing 
the software, I guess...

Best,

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Re: [css-d] Site Check and advice please!

2007-08-15 Thread David Laakso
Mark Finney wrote:
 Hi All,

 I have just redone a site for a friend using css instead of Java script as
 someone had done previously... could people have a look in different in
 different browsers?

 Also comments on the CSS would be appreciated since I am just learning it.
 I think I may need to use some kind of preloading technique as the roll over
 images were slow to load the first time I used it...

 My version can be found at: http://helpusmarry.co.uk/jessie/
 The original is at: http://www.jessieford.co.uk/

 Thank you in advance!

 Mark
   



Mark, I am stumped. It is attractive. No question about that. But how to 
use it is a mystery. I just don't get it. I am a little thick I think. 
If I disable images I get a black screen. Best shot (for me) is to 
instead simply disable CSS. Doing that I can see the illustrations all 
on one page. If I were then to add a /text rather than an image/ title; 
some content /text rather than an image/ stating who, what where, and 
when; and a simple / text rather than an image/ navigation scheme, I 
might then be able to move from one complete page of illustrations to 
another complete page of /different/ illustrations.

I guess what I am trying to say is that you may not have a css issue -- 
but rather a problem of the need to provide more clues to what the site 
is about and provision for a simple means to use it.

Best,

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Re: [css-d] Site Review Request (Win IE 5.5, 6 and Mac)

2007-08-18 Thread David Laakso
Francesco (Sin City Creative) wrote:
 Hi guys!  A new css-based site I did most of the work on is online.  Looks
 flawless and as intended on Windows IE 7 and Windows Firefox 2.  I ned some
 help with:

 Windows - Opera, IE 5.5 and IE 6
 Mac - Common browsers

 http://newsite.omedix.com/
 http://newsite.omedix.com/Styles/OmedixStyles.css

 Thanks in advance!

 Francesco
   
Mac/ff

You may, or may not, want to:

-- Ditch the rivers:
/*p { 
text-align: justify;  
}*/
--Keep the footer text from breaking out the bottom with font-scaling
--Move the inline css styles to the external style sheet
--Hide the js from the markup validator and/or call it from external files
--validate the markup and css

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Re: [css-d] Beginner: img distances

2007-08-20 Thread David Laakso
Ingo wrote:
 Dear list,

 obviously a simple matter, but I'm stuck. On

 http://web-bereiter.de/chobocca.com/chobocca.html

 I'd like to put the menu-bar images one by one without any space. I 
 tried to give them a class with 0px margin/padding and other measures - 
 but there are still some pixels inbetween them.

 What is wrong here? Appreciate any hints.


 Regards, Ingo
   


Simple that works is difficult. Complex that fails is easy.

/One way/ to close the gap is to run the markup of the four items as one 
continuous string-- rather than stacking them as you have.
Don't forget to run your page through the w3c markup [1] and css [2] 
validation services.

[1]
http://validator.w3.org/
[2]
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/

Best,
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Re: [css-d] positioning

2007-08-23 Thread David Laakso
Gillespie, Michael A wrote:
 Am trying to resolve a deficiency in my understanding of positioning in 
 general

 trimmed

 Mike G



   


Hmm.  Might be best to just like sort of slow down a bit and kind of 
take it one step at a time.  Float based layouts, particularly those 
that employ negative margins, work well on the Web and are structurally 
sound. Such is not the case with layouts based on position absolute: 
they are just too brittle. Concentration on what works, namely floats 
for layout, will get you further faster.  This is a great tutorial [1]. 
Read it carefully. Employ the method and produce a two column layout. 
Things will go your way. You can count on it.

[1] http://www.alistapart.com/articles/negativemargins/

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Re: [css-d] Disappearing Primary Nav

2007-08-24 Thread David Laakso
John Gribben wrote:
 Hi everyone,

  

 A client is unable to view the primary navigation on this site:

  

 http://www.albaadvisors.com/

  

 They claim to be having this problem with the latest version of Firefox on
 XP.  I've tested with this browser and don't have the problem.  Can anybody
 spot something I am doing wrong?

  

 Thanks,
 John
   

Oh it's there alright on mac/ff but may not be exactly easy to see at 
116.5dpi for anyone over the age of eighteen.
FWIW, deleting the height (s) on this selector will prevent the content 
text from shooting out the bottom with font-scaling:
div#centercontent.home {...}
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Re: [css-d] alignment position - liquid layout issues

2007-08-24 Thread David Laakso
Ray Leventhal wrote:
 Ray Leventhal wrote:
   
 Hi all,

 I'm implementing a layout based (Strongly) on the holy grail liquid
 layout[1].
 
 snip

 grr...i hate it when I forget the reference :)
 [1] http://www.alistapart.com/articles/holygrail
   



This aricle [1] may help with regard to some of your issues?
[1] http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/hgjump.html
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Re: [css-d] help! dropdowns were working but have stopped in ie7

2007-08-24 Thread David Laakso
Melinda Odom wrote:
 Hi,

 My drop downs have stopped working in this store:
 http://www.prayerbookstore.com

 They were working in ie7 and the top was centered but my browser is showing
 it off to the left and the menu dropdowns are not working. Works fine in
 mozilla and netscape.

 Can someone please confirm this? I may be having a cache problem or
 something.

 Sincerely,
 Melinda Odom
   


Melinda,

In both IE6 and IE7:

-- the menu is shifted left
--the text in the footer is shifted left
-- the About Us link is on two lines (stacked)


In IE6 the drop-downs appear on hover; In IE7 the drop-downs /do not/ 
appear on hover.

Although it probably will have no effect on the current issues, you may 
want to validate the html.

I regret I do not know the fix for these issues,

Best,
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Re: [css-d] help! dropdowns were working but have stopped in ie7

2007-08-24 Thread David Laakso
Melinda Odom wrote:
 Hi,

 I found the problem...this page was edited and a different doctype was put
 in and as soon as I changed it to:
 !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd;

 everything started working again in ie7 and probably ie6 but don't have that
 one to test.

 Sincerely,
 Melinda Odom
   


Melinda,

Yes, I'd say you found the culprit-- rendering fairly consistently now 
in ie6 and ie7 on xp (and in safari and camino).

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Re: [css-d] color consistency, accuracy

2007-08-26 Thread David Laakso
Listsmem wrote:
 Has anyone else noticed this problem before? [trimmed]

 ~Ben
   


Yes.

But since it is not necessarily a specific css related problem, you may 
(?) find http://webdesign-l.com/ a better place to seek an answer.

Best,

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Re: [css-d] space under logo and left column height

2007-08-29 Thread David Laakso
Cynthia Page wrote:

 It looks almost like it should on a mac with ff, the only problem being a 
 space under the logo in the top banner. 
 In IE on a PC one see the same space and the left column is a few pixels 
 above the  two columns to the right. The left column is absolutely positioned 
 so I could just move it down a few pixels to have it line up with the other 
 two columns, however then it is too low on the mac :)



 http://hoengerlab.colorado.edu/b3d/indexe.html


 Cynthia

   



For the image problem: have tried deleting the padding on #topbanner?
Don't have win/ie right now.
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Re: [css-d] Firefox Right column anomoly

2007-09-01 Thread David Laakso
Brian Walk wrote:
 Strange thing happening in Firefox. Load the following page:
 http://www.physics.niu.edu/physics/outreach/index.shtml 

 Notice the Events box floating above the large image. Now hit Refresh, and 
 it repositions down into it's proper place (visit the same link in IE 6.0, 
 and it appears correctly the first time).

 Any thoughts that would be causing this to happen in Firefox? I am thinking 
 it has something to do with the position:relative attribute on the 
 id#divContent #divRightCol id, but if it corrects with refresh, what is 
 Firefox (mis)interpreting on its first attempt to load? 

 Many thanks in advance.

 Brian


   




There are 121 markup validation errors. Maybe that is the problem?
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.physics.niu.edu%2Fphysics%2Foutreach%2Findex.shtml
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Re: [css-d] 2-column layout

2007-09-01 Thread David Laakso
Shelly wrote:

 What I need is a 2-column layout, with a 300px sidebar *on the left*. 
 The site should be centered and 90% in width, with the right size fluid 
 and taking up the remaining space.


 ~Shelly

   


This is one way to do it:

CSS

html,body{background-color:#fff; color:#000;margin:0;padding:0;}
body{font: 100% georgia,serif;text-align:center;}
p{margin:0;}
#container{border:1px solid fuchsia;margin: 0 auto;text-align: 
left;width: 90%;}
#header {border-bottom: 1px solid fuchsia;}
#wrapper{float:right;width:100%;margin-left:-300px;}
#content{margin-left:300px;}
#c1{float:left;width:300px;}
#footer{border-top: 1px solid fuchsia;clear:both;width:100%;}

HTML

body
div id=container
div id=headerh1header/h1/div
div id=wrapper
div id=content
pright column/p
/div
/div
div id=c1
pleft column/p
/div
div id=footerpfooter/p/div
/div
/body
/html

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Re: [css-d] Site Check, please

2007-09-02 Thread David Laakso
Lorraine Barte Nepomuceno wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 I'm having problems with a design of mine. On some browsers (although not
 any of ours here at the office, but that may be because we're all
 widescreen), the right sidebars are pushed down below the main content area:

 Sample is at:
 http://www.splashscreen.com/wp/
 with CSS at:
 http://www.splashscreen.com/wp/wp-content/themes/geeks-blog/style.css

 Any help would be most appreciated!

 Thanks,
 Lorraine

   

The floats drop as the window narrows. Have you tried setting the page 
as a fixed width layout?
div#container{
margin:0 auto 0 auto;
/*max-width: 920px;
width:90% !important;*/
width:920px;
}
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Re: [css-d] different browsers

2007-09-03 Thread David Laakso
Terri Houston wrote:
 Is there a website where I can see my menu page with all the different 
 browsers?  If not, can someone check 
 www.ttcollectiblegifts.com/dynamicdrive.html using IE6, and send me a 
 screenshot?  I was told the menu was large, and I hope I've fixed it, but 
 can't see it with IE6.  All help is appreciated.

 Terri
   

It looks the same in ie6 as it does in ff, opera, and safari. As already 
mentioned there are markup errors-- validate [1].

If you are on a pc, multiple ie versions are easy to install [2].

If you are on a mac, you can run any windows version of ie with 
Parallels Desktop [3].


Best,
~dL


[1] http://validator.w3.org/
[2] http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE
[3] http://www.parallels.com/

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Re: [css-d] RahulGonsalves.Com // Site Check

2007-09-04 Thread David Laakso
Rahul Gonsalves wrote:
 http://rahulgonsalves.com/ver3-b/

 A site check, and a fix for this problem would be appreciated:

 The gray background image seems to be shifted 1-pixel lower in  
 Windows browsers (FF/Opera/IE6). They display fine on FF/Camino/ 
 Safari on OS X. Any suggestions?

 Furthermore, the thumbnails of the projects on the 'Projects' page  
 seem to have no vertical padding in IE6 (XP). What can I change?

 Feedback is appreciated, on any aspect of the website-to-be.

 Warmly,
   - Rahul.
   


Sorry. Dunno. Don't care. The intentional clipping of your name comes 
off as an error (personal opinion).
Didn't get past that.

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Re: [css-d] Fwd: aligning divs horizontally

2007-09-04 Thread David Laakso
Raumin Ray Dehghan wrote:
 Dear CSS list:

   I'm trying to align three div boxes in my site horizontally - Layer3,
 Layer4, and Layer 5.  One - called Layer3 appears more out of line than
 the other two, but i want to make sure they're all aligned horizontally.

   I would appreciate any suggestions.

 the html url is:  http://www.westchicago.lib.il.us/R/stuff/chatt/wcpld.html

 the css is: http://www.westchicago.lib.il.us/R/stuff/chatt/wcpld.css

 just fyi - the javascript is:
 http://www.westchicago.lib.il.us/R/stuff/chatt/wcpld.js


 Thanks very much.

 Sincerely,
 Raumin Ray Dehghan
 Adult Services Librarian
 West Chicago Public Library
   

It is very difficult for me to understand what you are attempting to do.
The best I can make out is that you need a three column layout.
The easiest way to achieve that is simply to use an existing layout that is 
known to work cross-browser. This is one that will meet that need. Plese see:
http://blog.html.it/layoutgala/LayoutGala07.html.

Best,

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Re: [css-d] help - IE6 missing Pictures

2007-09-05 Thread David Laakso
Peter wrote:
 Hi,

 I am at a loss here.

 IE6 is not showing a row of pictures, on any page ( these are click 
 through links
 to sponsor websites).

 IE7/FF/safari/opera (all on windows) show them correctly.

 Can any body check they are there (may be a setting on my other pc 
 running IE6)

 website:
 http://www.hrfc.com/

 css (relevant to problem)


   http://www.hrfc.com/Styles/mainlayout.css


 Peter


   


Looks the same in IE7.0 as in IE6.0 and FF (all difficult to read at 
116.5dpi). Breaks too early in FF with font-scaling; and in IE7 and IE6 
the fonts go crazy and the right column drops at text-size largest.
Adding:
html {font-size: 100%;}
will resolve the IE em based font-size bug that makes the fonts go goofy 
in IE.
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Re: [css-d] It won't work in IE6

2007-09-05 Thread David Laakso
Richard Brown wrote:
 Hi

 On 04/09/07, Richard Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Why won't this site work in IE6 please?
 http://www.apbassettsolicitors.co.uk/
 http://www.apbassettsolicitors.co.uk/wp-content/themes/bassetts/style.css
 It works in all the other IEs.

 
 I've borrowed(!) code from Georg and redone the site. I have taken a
 look and it appears to be working in IE6. In IE5 the header files are
 missing but if that is really the only problem then I'm not worried.
 Could someone check for me please? Thanks.
 The code from Georg:
 http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/moa_12tp1.html
 And thanks to Georg.
   


I guess what you mean by working is that in IE6.0 that the links in the 
left column are now clickable whereas before they were not?
So in that sense, yes.. it is working. And holding at text-size 
largest. There is a repeat border sort of thing on the right side of the 
page when those links are clicked-- passable I suppose, but a little 
annoying.
When you borrowed the code from Georg, you neglected to include his 
javascript fix for IE6; consequently, IE 6 and down will not honor 
min/max width.
I did not view the page in 5.5 or 5.01.

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Re: [css-d] It won't work in IE6

2007-09-05 Thread David Laakso
David Laakso wrote:
 Richard Brown wrote:
 Hi

 On 04/09/07, Richard Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 Why won't this site work in IE6 please?
 http://www.apbassettsolicitors.co.uk/
 http://www.apbassettsolicitors.co.uk/wp-content/themes/bassetts/style.css 

 It works in all the other IEs.

 
 I've borrowed(!) code from Georg and redone the site. I have taken a
 look and it appears to be working in IE6. In IE5 the header files are
 missing but if that is really the only problem then I'm not worried.
 Could someone check for me please? Thanks.
 The code from Georg:
 http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/moa_12tp1.html
 And thanks to Georg.
   


 I guess what you mean by working is that in IE6.0 that the links in 
 the left column are now clickable whereas before they were not?
 So in that sense, yes.. it is working. And holding at text-size 
 largest. There is a repeat border sort of thing on the right side of 
 the page when those links are clicked-- passable I suppose, but a 
 little annoying.
 When you borrowed the code from Georg, you neglected to include his 
 javascript fix for IE6; consequently, IE 6 and down will not honor 
 min/max width.
 I did not view the page in 5.5 or 5.01.

 Best,
 ~dL



I see now you did include the javascript for IE6 and down. However, the 
reason it may not be working is you targeted the wrong selector. The 
target is #wrap not #wrapper.

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Re: [css-d] 3px IE6 gap

2007-09-06 Thread David Laakso
Anne E. Shroeder wrote:
 Got an IE 6 problem -- it's putting a 3px gap between my two divs - left one 
 is floated, right one is set at a left margin to equal the photo plus 
 border.  http://www.language-works.com/CSS_Stuff/specialreport.htm

 Have tried a variety of things to close the gap but nothing works.  Any 
 ideas on the hack I need here?

 Anne

   
Use a different construction and you will need no hack(s).
Quick tested IE 7,6,5.5,  5.01; and Mac/IE5.2, Opera, and Firefox.
http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/news.html
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Re: [css-d] 3px IE6 gap

2007-09-07 Thread David Laakso
Rafael wrote:
 Hi,
 I have a limited knowledge on the different bugs out there, so I 
 would like to know what problems would cause a more conservative 
 structure for this problem, such as
   http://dev.rsalazar.name/css.d/report.html

 I just did it as an exercise (so I started from scratch), but it 
 seems to work just fine on Fx 2, O 9, S 3 (XP), and IE 6 / 7.

 Thanks in advance.



Yes, of course, there is more than one way to do most anything in CSS.

FWIW, I would not restrict the height as it will break with heavy hand 
font-scaling in compliant browsers and in IE at text-size 'largest with 
font sizes ignored. Whether
one needs to have it also work in IE5.01 and Mac/IE5.2 is a matter of 
opinion and client requirement.

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Re: [css-d] floats and div widths

2007-09-07 Thread David Laakso
Cynthia Page wrote:
 I am experimenting with layout for divs containing images and text. The outer 
 div will go inside a three column layout.

 My question concerns floating and clearing images in divs, nested within a 
 floating div. 

 Should I float an image left and clear right to make the text stay to the 
 right of the image, and if I declare a pixel width for the image with padding 
 will I have problems with IE displaying the whole image?

 I have an example posted.

 Also is it appropriate to ask such a basic question on this list?

 Thanks, 
 Cynthia

 http://hoengerlab.colorado.edu/testfloat/float.html

   
All questions dealing with CSS are appropriate. And your question is anything 
but basic.

The simple answer is what you have works cross browser (don't forget to 
validate).

The practical problems arise in putting that inside a 3 col layout and keeping 
the float from dropping at narrow window widths (800 or less) and user 
discretion with font-scaling and side bar use at all window sizes -- 
/particularly in iE/.

It is some what dependent on your base 3col layout-- a fixed width 750px layout 
may easier to cope with.

This [1]is a crude sample of your stuff insie a 3c layout. See source for 
changes made. Others on the list may have more pertinent advice. 


[1] http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/5col.html

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Re: [css-d] layout column height adjustment...

2007-09-07 Thread David Laakso
Michael Forker wrote:
 Hi

 havn't been on here in a whilehelloI am an Interactive Multimedia
 design student...havn't that much experience with CSS and I am having a go
 at doing my first site for a clientthe problem is that with the layout
 in the pages when I put content into the various pages differing on each
 pagethe layout columns at the bottom of the pages are not equal as in on
 each page the length of the columns are diiferent on the different pages

 the left column...middle column...right column.on different pages are
 different lengths.tried adjusting the top:200px; rule which did work at
 the bottom of the column but shifted the position at the top.the link to
 my site 
 ishttp://ijsr32.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~10300205/index.htmlportfolio
 pagecurrent work link ( FIREFOX )

 If anyone can help would appreciate it a lot!!


 Mike



It is an interesting problem.
A simple solution is found here 
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/.
More complex solutions for creating this illusion may be found here 
http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/companions.html.
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Re: [css-d] MAC Browser Issue

2007-09-10 Thread David Laakso
Steve LaBadie wrote:
 I have a new site and have an image that moves only on a MAC using
 Firefox, Netscape, and Safari. The image actually goes behind the page
 and a little piece sticks at the top behind Support ESU link. Is there
 anything I can do to make it stationary?

  

 The image that moves is the WarriorAthletics bar that goes down the
 right side of the page.

  

 http://www4.esu.edu/athletics/index.cfm

  

 Steve LaBadie, Web Manager

   

Steve,

You'll have a difficult time at best trying to get cross-browser 
consistency when running a page without a doctype.
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww4.esu.edu%2Fathletics%2Findex.cfm
Best,
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Re: [css-d] Site check

2007-09-10 Thread David Laakso
Michael Forker wrote:
 Think the site I am working on is more or less navigation and design wise is
 more or less completed, I would like to add a submit form page on the
 site...but haven't done this before ( not hinting at anything ) if anyone
 could check the site and give me some honest feedback I would appreciate it
 a lot.it's the first site I have done for a client

 Mike:)

 http://ijsr32.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~10300205/

   

Michael,

It is dropping the right column float at +1 font-scaling in FF.
This may be due to the software being confused by the fact that you've 
made no distinction between the horizontal and vertical navigation CSS.
For the sidebar navigation css, try adding #sidebar to each declaration 
(#sidebar #navigation {...}.

The horizontal navigation font-size makes that navigation more important 
than your written content-- might be a good idea to reduce it to 0.9em 
or 0.95em.

Justified text does well (sometimes) in print media, but seldom on the 
Web: creates word gaps (rivers). Consider setting it flush 
left/scatter right (text-align: left;).

I'd defer to the type designer and /not/ letter-space the content text 
as it just makes it difficult to read.

You may also want to change the font-size on the body from 12px to 100%. 
This will set the typography base at user default.


You may want to validate the markup.

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Re: [css-d] Vertical alignment of title and nav menu

2007-09-11 Thread David Laakso
Jan Erik Moström wrote:
 I would like to create a page that have the title and nav menu 
 aligned at the top, something like this

  X  N
  X
  X

   



Do you mean like this?
http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/test.html

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Re: [css-d] basic explanations of css layout

2007-09-11 Thread David Laakso
Raumin Ray Dehghan wrote:
 Colleagues,

 does anybody have any recommendations of books and/or websites that explain 
 css
 layout in very simple, straightforward language?

 For example, i'm trying to understand why pixels seem to be easier to work
 with than percentages, etc.

 Thanks very much.

 -Raumin Ray Dehghan
 West Chicago Public Library
 West Chicago, Illinois
   


Ray,

This is the only book on CSS that I have ever looked at and it is very 
simple, quite straight forward, and very practical:
http://www.cookwood.com/html5ed/. I think their is a list of books and 
other resources on the list wiki.

I suppose if you have fixed width elements, such as images in your 
layout, that fixed width layouts may be easier to work with tha 
percentage width layouts.  As the window narrows fixed width elements 
become difficult to keep from escaping their containers with percent 
widths.

But as I remember your layout (although I can't find your uri at the 
moment) and the difficulties you were having
had more to do with the fact that you structured your layout using 
absolute positioning. Float structured layouts work much better.
Your difficulty perhaps has less to do with CSS than a misconception in 
understanding the Web. It is a fluid medium. Absolute positioning is 
brittle and best avoid for the basic layout structure.

If you like, write me off-list and I''ll attempt to help you get your 
layout functioning cross-browser.

Best,
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Re: [css-d] Vertical alignment of title and nav menu

2007-09-11 Thread David Laakso
Jan Erik Moström wrote:
 David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07-09-11 12:19

 Jan Erik Moström wrote:
 I would like to create a page that have the title and nav menu 
 aligned at the top, something like this

 X  
 N
 X
 X





 Do you mean like this?
 http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/test.html

 Bad explanation on my part, this is what I meant:

 TitleTitleTitleTitleTitleTitle  one two three four
 TitleTitleTitleTitleTitleTitle
 TitleTitleTitleTitleTitleTitle

 Hello there

 Footer

 (the title is one only one line but has a larger font size than the 
 nav menu)

 jem


More like this, then?
http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/test.html
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Re: [css-d] Type in px then ems

2007-09-11 Thread David Laakso
Rick Lecoat wrote:
 We know that text specified in px is a Bad Idea. What I want to know is:
 does the inability to resize px-sizedtext fonts in IE Win get inherited
 if the child text is specced in something else (ems, say)?

 Eg:
 body {font-size: 14px}
 h1 {1.8 em}

 Would the h1 still be non-resizable in IE Win? 

 Cheers;
   


If you know it is a bad idea, why would you do it?


Your example will likely goofy in IE because of an IE browser bug when 
specifying fonts in em. If you specify the font size in em you need to 
/declare percent on html or body/ (with so called em guided layouts no 
percent on html and no em on body is used, but further in the 
specification in percent is needed on a containing wrapper followed by 
em on selectors) to kill the bug.

This is a relatively common method of specifying text-size in em:

html {font-size: 100%;}
body {font-size: 1em;}
h1 {font-size: 1.8em;}

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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

2007-09-11 Thread David Laakso
Omitade Adediran wrote:
 I have been reading and reading until my brain just feels like 
 mush...[trimmed]
 http://www.orisadevotees.org/market.html

 Omitade
   


Omitade,

I know the feeling. This stuff can be terribly frustrating at times...

I think that it might be a good idea to just get a simple page working 
cross-browser for starters. Once you've got that working, you can plug 
decorative images into it. Most any dropdown/flyout menu
is really hard to get working properly in iE 6.

This is a /very simple version/ of your page-- quick tested in ie6, ie7, 
opera, firefox, and safari.
http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/un.html

HTH.

Best,

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Re: [css-d] Site Check pt2

2007-09-12 Thread David Laakso
Omitade Adediran wrote:
 Hi:
  
 Just when you thought you were finished with me (scary music, She's Back!!),
 I am submitting the second page for a check. This is the home page that goes
 with the other page I submitted. It has a slide show and some repetitive
 music and yes, I will work on an off button. It looks great (to me) in FF.
 There is a problem with the lining up of the titles under the thumbnails at
 the bottom in Opera and the font size goes larger than what I want in normal
 view. This is my attempt at columns and what happens in IE which, of course,
 does not run the slides is that the columns collapse on each other.
  
 www.orisadevotees.org 
  
 As always, your help is greatly appreciated.
  
 Omitade
   

Omitade,

This new page has the same issues as the page you put up yesterday [1].

Try either page at screen resolution 800. Or at 1024, 1280, 1680 or 
higher with plus1 or plus 2 font-scaling.

One solution, as yesterday, is to start with a very simple structural 
layout that functions at most any window width on any broswer.



[1]

http://www.orisadevotees.org/market.html



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Re: [css-d] why do scrollbars suddenly appear...

2007-09-12 Thread David Laakso
sandy wrote:
 http://www.sandygonzales.com/pca/support_pca/

 everytime i click on one of the tabs in my site (eg: Support PCA)?  THe 
 pages are broken right now but that doesnt matter.  This does not happen 
 in ie, but it does in firefox and NN.  my tab image links are set to 
 width: auto with a few backgrounds - one that is repeating, so they can 
 scale to any size text-length.

   

Have you tried deleting all instances of 
overflow: auto;
and
width: auto;
on the
#nav_portal selectors?

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Re: [css-d] ie6 issue with auto width

2007-09-13 Thread David Laakso
sandy wrote:
 http://www.sandygonzales.com/pca/support_pca/

 same site different ie problem.

 figure i'll keep going on my roll of ie issues.
 my horizontal navigation that look like gray tabs are expandable 
 buttons, in preparation for a CMS where the client may add their own 
 categories.  all the elements from the li inward are display: block; 
 and float: left (for ie6 otherwise i'd only have declared it once).. so 
 when i rollover these tabs, because they are bold on hover, the tabs 
 expand a bit like they are supposed to.. BUT! not in ie6, they do in ie7 
 though.  in ie6 the bigger bolder text simply stretches right out of 
 itself.  why oh why!

   

I did not try this to see if it holds in IE, but you might try simply 
increasing the horizontal padding?

#nav_portal ul li a span b{
display: block;/* put this in for ie6 - floating */
float: left;
font-weight: normal;
padding: 10px 30px 0 30px; !-- was padding: 10px 13px 0 13px;
}

The content text is really tiny. You may want to bump it up some. If you 
don't, the inclination for some users will be to scale the fonts-- that 
ain't gonna be a pretty site if they do

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Re: [css-d] ie6 issue with auto width

2007-09-13 Thread David Laakso
sandy wrote:
 David Laakso wrote:
 sandy wrote:
 http://www.sandygonzales.com/pca/support_pca/

 same site different ie problem.

 figure i'll keep going on my roll of ie issues.
 my horizontal navigation that look like gray tabs are expandable 
 buttons, in preparation for a CMS where the client may add their own 
 categories.  all the elements from the li inward are display: 
 block; and float: left (for ie6 otherwise i'd only have declared it 
 once).. so when i rollover these tabs, because they are bold on 
 hover, the tabs expand a bit like they are supposed to.. BUT! not in 
 ie6, they do in ie7 though.  in ie6 the bigger bolder text simply 
 stretches right out of itself.  why oh why!

   

 I did not try this to see if it holds in IE, but you might try simply 
 increasing the horizontal padding?

 #nav_portal ul li a span b{
 display: block;/* put this in for ie6 - floating */
 float: left;
 font-weight: normal;
 padding: 10px 30px 0 30px; !-- was padding: 10px 13px 0 13px;
 }

 The content text is really tiny. You may want to bump it up some. If 
 you don't, the inclination for some users will be to scale the 
 fonts-- that ain't gonna be a pretty site if they do

 Best,
 ~dL




 i hardly call that a solution!  thats just a quick fix that ruins the 
 aesthetics of the page!
 oh and thanks about the text, forgot about that.

 thanks,
 sandy




Thank you for reminding me to mend my ways.

Best wishes,

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Re: [css-d] Site check please

2007-09-14 Thread David Laakso
Cory Shubert wrote:
 Hi all,  I am throwing our new design out there for critique and
 suggestions.
  
 http://www.nwaworldvacations.com
 BLOCKED::http://www.nwaworldvacations.com 
  
 We tried to do a better job of CSS and moved into a more Web 2.0 vibe, 
 ...{trimmed}

 I am posting here to help us continue on that learning curve.

  
 Cory

   


Cory,

If you mean what you wrote about transitioning to CSS then you may want 
to /continue to employ tables for the tabular data/. But as of now, it 
seems to me, you're running a predominately table oriented site with a 
doctype.
The way some of us handle Ajax/JavaScript functionality is to use same 
with the qualifier the page will work, as well (if not better), without 
either or both. Your slow page loads may be more part and parcel of the 
Web 2,.0 vibe than
a practical CSS issue. Fast load from the CSS perspective, in my 
opinion, has more to do with lean, mean coding practice. Eliminating 
inline styles and other table like practices, calling js from an 
external file, and reducing white space in the source document /may/ 
help speed things up to a lessor extent.

Testing at +1 and +2 font-scaling in compliant browsers is a good idea; 
and, providing text for IE users without the need for them to jump 
through hoops to scale it is always advantageous.

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Re: [css-d] Problems with site template

2007-09-14 Thread David Laakso
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 I have a few problems is completing site template:

 http://www.linkhomes2000.co.uk/mortgage-repayment.php

 1) I can't make min-width work in I.E. 6, probably not in any others either 
 ({can't check others} Works reasonably well in FF).

 2) Need to make my menu more accessibility friendly, but not sure how to go 
 about this. (not sure if this should be on this forum)

 Kind Regards

 DG)



   


With regard to the menu: that is complicated and difficult menu to 
pull-off cross-browser. You may be better off with unobtrusive 
javascript. Or a site map.

If your definition of accessibility includes readability of the content 
text for those fortunate enough to be sighted, or partially sighted, 
these additions and deletions may be the first step toward that:

body {
font-size:100%;
font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
color:#00;
background-color: #fff.
/*
letter-spacing:0.0125em;
word-spacing:0.0225em;
line-height:1.25em;
font-weight:bold;
text-decoration:none;*/
}

#content p, #leftbar p {
/*font-size:100%;
font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
color:#324040;
text-decoration:none;
line-height:1em;
font-variant:small-caps;*/
margin:0;
padding:0;
}


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[css-d] :: Opera/9.23 Mac ::

2007-09-15 Thread David Laakso
Georg,

I have a little rendering mystery. Opera/9.23 Mac is not behave quite 
the same as Opera/9.23 Win on this page:

uri
http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/sm-chg/
(I would suggest disabling images unless you plan to take in a movie 
while you wait for them to load)

css
http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/sm-chg/css/style.css

For example, the ul numeral b01/b should be red. And it is red in 
both OS at 100%.
But Opera/Mac /does not retain the red color/ at 90% and below, or at 
110% and up.

On this test page with the ul isolated there is no problem whatsoever in 
Opera/Mac-- the color of the numeral 01 is red regardless of the percent 
of font-zoom.
http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/test-opera.html

Where have I gone wrong?

Thank you.

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Re: [css-d] :: Opera/9.23 Mac ::

2007-09-15 Thread David Laakso
David Laakso wrote:

 I have a little rendering mystery. Opera/9.23 Mac is not behave quite 
 the same as Opera/9.23 Win on this page:

 uri
 http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/sm-chg/
 (I would suggest disabling images unless you plan to take in a movie 
 while you wait for them to load)

 css
 http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/sm-chg/css/style.css

 For example, the ul numeral b01/b should be red. And it is red in 
 both OS at 100%.
 But Opera/Mac /does not retain the red color/ at 90% and below, or at 
 110% and up.

 On this test page with the ul isolated there is no problem whatsoever 
 in Opera/Mac-- the color of the numeral 01 is red regardless of the 
 percent of font-zoom.
 http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/test-opera.html

 Where have I gone wrong?

 Thank you.

 ~dL



Thank you for the replies both on and off-list. The good news is I seem 
to be the only one in the world for whom the issue(s) persists.

Best,

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Re: [css-d] IE Font Size issue

2007-09-16 Thread David Laakso
Jehangir Larry wrote:
 I have a test page at:
 http://www.jehangirlarry.com/test.php

 I am unable to reduce the font size in any version of IE.
 FF/Opera are OK.

 Many thanks.
 --
 Jehangir Larry
   


I see relatively little difference in a side by side comparison with the 
above browsers and any version of IE at text-size medium.

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Re: [css-d] IE Font Size issue

2007-09-16 Thread David Laakso
Jehangir Larry wrote:
 David Laakso wrote:
   
 Jehangir Larry wrote:
 
 I have a test page at:
 http://www.jehangirlarry.com/test.php

 I am unable to reduce the font size in any version of IE.
 FF/Opera are OK.

 Many thanks.
 --
 Jehangir Larry

   
 I see relatively little difference in a side by side comparison with
 the above browsers and any version of IE at text-size medium.

 ~dL
 

 My fault, not explaining the issue at length.
 I have now posted another full page at 
 http://www.jehangirlarry.com/makhija/test.php
 When seen in FF/Opera/Safari (PC) the #header-sub (~Engineers  
 Contractors~) appears as intended.
 In IE (all) - PC, it appears huge. Atleast here.
 Thanks for all replies on/off line.

 JL 

   

You explained it just fine the first time. The problem may be a setting 
on your end as it functions normaly here in IE6 and IE7.

Best,
~dL

PS You may want to validate the markup and css.

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Re: [css-d] Content within wrappers not centralizing in IE7

2007-09-17 Thread David Laakso
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all, I have the following webpage 
 (http://www.trystandsamthewedding.com/home.htm), which is broken down into 
 three sections: header, content and footer. Each section has a wrapper and 
 then content, like so...[trimmed]


 Tryst

   



I regret it is not working fine in Firefox either-- easily broken with 
font scaling.
The problem, among other things, is it is unnecessarily complex:  you 
have no doctype, the markup is invalid, the logo is not enclosed in the 
intended container, and more...

You may be better off starting from scratch.

If you do not get a better offer, write off-list and I'll try to help 
get it going.

Best,

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Re: [css-d] **SL-JUNK** Re: Content within wrappers not centralizing in IE7

2007-09-17 Thread David Laakso
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi, and thanks for the reply David.

 Thanks for pointing out the basic error from me to miss the DOCTYPE. Putting 
 that in seems to have fixed the problem.
   


RE:

http://www.trystandsamthewedding.com/home.htm



Hmm. ...depends on what you consider the problem(s), I guess.


FWIW: not sure if this what you are after--
http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/untitled.html
Quick tested:
+3 font-scaling @ 800  1680 in safari, firefox , opera
text-size largest font-scaling @ 800  1280 in ie7.0 and ie6.0.
markup  css validated

Best,
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Re: [css-d] Content within wrappers not centralizing in IE7

2007-09-17 Thread David Laakso
David Laakso wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi, and thanks for the reply David.

 Thanks for pointing out the basic error from me to miss the DOCTYPE. 
 Putting that in seems to have fixed the problem.
   



:: mon 3:06p junk subject line deleted :: ~dL

RE:

http://www.trystandsamthewedding.com/home.htm



Hmm. ...depends on what you consider the problem(s), I guess.


FWIW: not sure if this what you are after--
http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/untitled.html
Quick tested:
+3 font-scaling @ 800  1680 in safari, firefox , opera
text-size largest font-scaling @ 800  1280 in ie7.0 and ie6.0.
markup  css validated

Best,
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Re: [css-d] justfied text and aligment

2007-09-19 Thread David Laakso
Erland Flaten wrote:
 I tri to make to lines of text to align justify inside a div. Text- 
 align justify does not change from the default left alignment of the  
 text.



 http://www.nuna.no/malkladd.html
 http://www.nuna.no/thrColFixHdr.css




   


Erland,

With single words you'll need to use letter-spacing rather than justify, 
but /you'll have devil of a time/ getting both lines to come to the same 
width cross-browser.

Best,

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Re: [css-d] justfied text and aligment :: revised ::

2007-09-19 Thread David Laakso
David Laakso wrote:
 Erland Flaten wrote:
   
 I tri to make to lines of text to align justify inside a div. Text- 
 align justify does not change from the default left alignment of the  
 text.



 http://www.nuna.no/malkladd.html
 http://www.nuna.no/thrColFixHdr.css




   
 


 Erland,

 With single words you'll need to use letter-spacing rather than justify, 
 but /you'll have devil of a time/ getting both lines to come to the same 
 width cross-browser.

 Best,

 ~dL

   

Erland,,

This is a very quick pass at setting 100% on html, 1em on body, with h1 
 h2 in em and tweaking the font size(s). This may be easier than using 
letter-spacing, but as with letter-spacing there will be cross-browser 
differences.

http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/justify.html/

In Firefox/Mac h2 (tagline) is shy of width compared to h1.

In Opera/Mac, Safari, WebKit, IE7 and IE6 are relatively similar-- h2 
(tag line) is wider than h1.

Best,
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Re: [css-d] site distortion in IE6

2007-09-19 Thread David Laakso
Thijs Hakkenberg wrote:
 Dear list,

 This site http://gerbrigseidel.nl/ and it's template 
 http://gerbrigseidel.nl/fileadmin/template/simpleDesign/ both validate 
 as w3c compliant, and the template show up fine on both IE6 and 
 FF1.5/2.0. The rendered frontpage however get's distorted in IE6; it's 
 not aligned anymore for example.

 Any clues?

 Thijs Hakkenberg


This is your file[1] with the xml declaration deleted so IE6 is no longer in 
quirks and with only your style.css embedded.

Looks pretty much the same to me in, but I may be missing something, in: 

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.8.1.7) Gecko/20070914 
Firefox/2.0.0.7

and IE6 and IE7.

[1]

http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/cet1.html

Best,

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Re: [css-d] Site Check on Suckerfish

2007-09-21 Thread David Laakso
Richard Brown wrote:
 Hi All

 Could you please check the following menu in IE6 and 7? I am told the
 menu is not behaving correctly.
 http://theriverchurch.info/
 http://theriverchurch.info/wp-content/themes/RiverChurch/style.css

 Many thanks for your help.
   



The Lord works in mysterious ways: perhaps you are being reprimanded for 
knowingly using a menu that drives everyone nuts who attempts to use it; 
not optimizing the images; and, making the start point of the primary 
content so tiny.

The drop-down /drops down/ in 6 and 7.

In 7 they stick, that is to say, when hovering across all of them they 
are simultaneously stuck in the drop-down position.

In 6 the drop down boxes do not stick but they are wider than in 
compliant browsers (and even ie7), and each has a double vertical rule 
on both sides. There is a gap under the header image. And the header 
image, and the black block beneath that image, and the black footer 
block are all about 70px shy of the outermost container's right border.

I regret I do not know the fix.

Best,

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Re: [css-d] menu test

2007-09-21 Thread David Laakso
JGardner wrote:
 Hi,

 For whoever has a second (risky question :-)) could you test the drop down 
 function on the menu (there is only a drop down section under services).  You 
 can find the menu here - 
 http://www.jgardnerdesigns.com/web-design-services.htm

 It seems like sometimes in IE 6 when you hover over the drop down links they 
 disappear.  Please let me know if this happens to you and if so what browser 
 you are using.

 I am also still having the positioning problem in IE6 - the menu you will not 
 move over to the left as it does with FireFox, and IE7.  So if you see this 
 problem on a different browser please let me know.

 Thanks for your time.

 Jennifer





   

os x 10.4.01

I think the menu is as intended in safari, ff, and camino: but +1 breaks 
it in all. In opera, the menu is aligned left with the about block 
breaking left approximately 30px out of the outermost page container.

xp ie6 and ie7 on parallels/os x 10.4.01

In ie7 the link blocks break the top of the nav background band approx. 
8px. At text-sixe largest they break out the bottom of the background 
band.

In ie6 the menu is the same as opera/mac (it is aligned and breaking 
left). And, as well, the link blocks break the top of the nav background 
band approx. 8px.

Sorry for all the bad news...

Best,

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Re: [css-d] margin/padding and li problem

2007-09-21 Thread David Laakso
Luc wrote:
 Hello list,

 i have a list with a background image that i just can't seem to get a
 bit less indented. It's a list of clients and upon adding the
 phone numbers, the ninth client on the list has it's number pushed to
 the next line. Opera is the only browser that doesn't do it. Obviously
 there isn't enough room to hold the number so i thought on giving the
 whole list a lesser indentation but i just don't seem to get it.

 http://www.mendesperestransportes.com.br/Pages/clientes.php

 http://www.mendesperestransportes.com.br/Styles/MP.css

 Probably a non-brainer, except for me!!

 Luc

   

I may not get what you want. But, rather than adjusting the list, have 
you tried adjusting its container?

#contentright {background-color: fuchsia;
width: /*540px*/585px;
float: right;
/*padding: 0px 0 20px 0;*/
/*margin-right: 16px;*/
}

Best,

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Re: [css-d] Alternative Menu suggestions to the Suckerfish

2007-09-22 Thread David Laakso
Richard Brown wrote:
 Hi David

 On 21/09/2007, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Could you please check the following menu in IE6 and 7? I am told the
 menu is not behaving correctly.
 http://theriverchurch.info/
 http://theriverchurch.info/wp-content/themes/RiverChurch/style.css
   
 
 Many thanks for the reply. I have changed the subject to reflect the
 next question. What do folks do if they don't use the suckerfish
 option please? Any suggestions?
   

I don't know.  But if I had a dollar for fixing every problem with the 
suckerfishover the past few years on the css-d, wsg, and design-l 
lists I'd be a lot further ahead financially than I am at the moment.
I'd search for a menu that is known to work cross-browser /and test it 
rigorously/ to make sure it lives up to expectation; and, then adhere 
very closely to it.

As far a css solution a quick google search turned up (and there are 
more in the menu section of his site):
http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menus/drop_definition.html
There are also scripting solutions for IE6.

Best,
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Re: [css-d] Website check please!!

2007-09-22 Thread David Laakso
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Test-site is:  url:  http://www.sun-safe.com.au/
   css:  http://www.sun-safe.com.au/default-stylesheet.css
   css:  http://www.sun-safe.com.au/IE-stylesheet22.css
   

Check your host/server-- connection reset (unable to connect)-- 9:14a.
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Re: [css-d] Include Remote JavaScript File

2007-09-22 Thread David Laakso
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 I have a problem here: http://www.linkhomes2000.co.uk/index.php

 At present there is a lot of JS in the header, this is surrounded by: 
 //![CDATA[  //]]. It validates and works fine.

 My problem is when I try to includes it like so:

 script src=filename.js type=text/javascript charset=utf-8/scriptIt 
 wont validate and I'm getting all sots of wonderful errors, which make no 
 sense at all.Any Ideas?Kind RegardsDG)
   


Try:

script type=text/javascript src=filename.js/script

(and validate your CSS file)

Best,

~dL

PS Personal opinion:  maybe just sort like delete the w3c button as it 
is a major focal point on the page, it just sets you up, confuses most 
users, and no offense intended-- looks amateurish.

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[css-d] :: ie/6.0 in a 600 window ::

2007-09-24 Thread David Laakso
I am not able to load IE/6.0 at the moment and would appreciate a check 
of this page [1] in an apprx. 600px window at text-size largest to see 
if any floats drop.

[1] http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/un/

Thank you.

Best,

~dL

PS I am aware that the header image has no background color in IE6.

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Re: [css-d] :: ie/6.0 in a 600 window ::

2007-09-25 Thread David Laakso
Rahul Gonsalves wrote:
 On 25-Sep-07, at 3:48 AM, David Laakso wrote:

   
 I am not able to load IE/6.0 at the moment and would appreciate a  
 check
 of this page [1] in an apprx. 600px window at text-size largest  
 to see
 if any floats drop.

 [1] http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/un/
 

 Mr. Laakso,

 IE6, XPSP2, text-sizes smallest to largest, no float drops from  
 ~400px to ~1000px.

 What pretty colours.

 Best,
   - Rahul.
   

Thanks, Rahul ( I assume we mean around 600).

BTW, ain't no /mister/ hereabouts-- just another bozo at the back of the 
buss headed for nowhere...

Best,

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Re: [css-d] Cross-browser Display Issue / Problem With NOSCRIPT Validation

2007-09-26 Thread David Laakso
J Hodge wrote:
 Good evening to everyone.

 Testbed:
 http://www.lostinxlation.net/sandbox3/portfolio/cybernomics1.html

 Testbed CSS:
 http://www.lostinxlation.net/sandbox3/css/primary.css


 I'm trying to get this site ready for the final
 cosmetic touches

I regret that any font-scaling whatsoever breaks your site with or 
without javascript enabled in any browser on any operating system. It 
may be best to tackle that before moving on to other issues.

Regards,

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Re: [css-d] Cross-browser Display Issue / Problem With NOSCRIPT Validation

2007-09-27 Thread David Laakso
J Hodge wrote:
 Thank you, David.  I am aware that scaling is
 problematic, and was thinking the best approach would
 be to write the CSS so that the content areas become
 scrollable once the text size is increased.
   

RE: http://www.lostinxlation.net/sandbox3/portfolio/cybernomics1.html

We are into areas of personal opinion. My opinion is the content area 
height should not be constrained, and that on scaling it should drive what is 
beneatn it from here to Havana.


 However, upon further consideration, it occurs to me
 that that it might also be beneficial to scale up the
 dimensions of the overall layout as well... 


That is one way of going about it. My /opinion/ is you may want the site 
to work in any screen window. One way to accomplish this is to set 
min/max width and provide your favorite workaround for IE6.




  the
 particular layout I'm using was one I picked for some
 practice in source ordering and the use of relative
 positioning, and it has certainly posed its own little
 challenges.  =0)
   


Nevertheless it is a valid concept. One can, and should (yet another 
opinion), set to maintain the css disabled/text browser source order: 
doing so can sometimes pose tricky and difficult css manipulation. And 
this is where others on the list are better qualified than I am to help 
bring this particular valid concept to a successful conclusion.




 (treswife at gmail dot com)
   

Best,


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Re: [css-d] fixed div in IE6

2007-09-27 Thread David Laakso
Bob Rosenberg wrote:
 Greetings:

 I hope this is not too trivial for comment, but searching for it in the 
 archive has proved fruitless--it's just too hard to narrow down the search.

 On a page like

 http://users.rcn.com/rtberg/Adam/animag1.htm

 I have a left-column menu (div id=nav) that stays nicely fixed in FF or 
 IE7 (for example), but which will not behave in IE6.  It's a big file, but 
 it's not complex HTML or CSS, and in IE6 I simply cannot make #nav hold 
 still (or, for that matter, even show up in the left column). I do not want a 
 second scroll bar on the page. I have tried fixes found on CSS advice 
 websites (like 
 http://divinentd.com/experiments/emulating-position-fixed.html), but at best 
 they give me ugly double scroll bars.

 The CSS is at the top of the document.

 Thanks for any help offered.

 --Bob R. 

   




Simulating position fixed in IE6 ain't anything but trivial.

There are a number of workarounds for emulating position fixed in IE6, 
including javascript, these are some:
http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/fixedPosition.html
http://tagsoup.com/cookbook/css/fixed/left/
http://annevankesteren.nl/test/examples/ie/position-fixed.html
http://www.doxdesk.com/software/js/fixed.html

a very nice working solution -- perhaps Georg Sortun will provide a link 
to the base layout:
http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/toc_7a.html

Best,

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Re: [css-d] fixed div in IE6

2007-09-27 Thread David Laakso
Julia Perez wrote:

 The problem I think is:

 body {
  behavior: url(csshover.htc);
 }

 I can see the dropdown menu in IE7 and Firefox Mozilla but not in IE6. 
 I´ve already put:
 csshover.htc

 The same example worked in another site and now I use it here and it 
 doesn´t work. Whay???
 The link is:

 http://www.padawan.bblogg.com.ar/emsetec/empresa.html






Dunno. Is csshover.htc being found: check the path?

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Re: [css-d] a css animation?

2007-09-27 Thread David Laakso
Phil Turner wrote:
 Hi Everyone, this is more of a thought that a question about 'how to  
 fix my website across browserland'
 I am pretty new to the land of css however I have done a site here
 http://www.trishahills.com/home.htmlmy question for discussion is  
 can the 3 second intro page be repeated again and again to create a  
 slow  stop frame animation - has this been done before creatively and  
 has anyone got any links also can the pages be sent into the screen  
 from different directions? Apologies if this is basic css, I look  
 forward to the response
 Regards
 Phil Turner

   

Phil,

I think this has nothing to do with CSS.

But, I guess for starters my question is what 3 second intro page as 
the site is dead in the water.
You can use scripting or a timed meta attribute to create an endless 
loop; but either way, I think the question is off-topic for this list.

Best,

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Re: [css-d] footer float dl misbehaving

2007-09-28 Thread David Laakso
David Bailey wrote:
 Hi,

 I am having trouble with a footer that's not behaving the same in  
 Safari and FireFox (Mac). I haven't been able to check it out in IE  
 Win as my pc is not working at present.

 http://www.dab-hand.co.nz/NZCFBS/3col.html
 http://www.dab-hand.co.nz/NZCFBS/styles/main.css


 David
   



Hmm. Forgive me, but it may be time to look at the big picture. The 
/page/ is not working in any os or browser the way I /think/ you intend. 
And there is more to it than which browser gets the footer right 
according to the w3c specs. In addition to the footer problem in 
compliant browsers, both ie 67 drop the main right column float, and 
have a footer problem as well. IE is known to have issues with some 
percent width layouts. The complicated methods used to position the 
content and the footer information (using percent) within a percent 
structure further confuses things for all browsers.

I may be one who gives up too early: but I have most of my hair (except 
what hasn't fallen out from age ).
A nice stable, robust, layout that works cross-browser (if you treat her 
with the grace and dignity she deserves):
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/negativemargins
 
Best,

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Re: [css-d] Page check

2007-09-28 Thread David Laakso
Scott Povlot wrote:
 I have just finished a new page design.  This is my
 first using a fixed width page.  It looks OK on
 Windows IE6/7 and Firefox.  

 Can you please validate on other OS and browsers?

 Also, any comments on the design would be appreciated.

 The URL is
 http://www.piedmont-div.org/nmra/nmra_home_page.html

 Thanks very much,

 Scott Povlot

   


Scott,

Just a quick look in camino and safari and mac opera.

I'd suggest setting the width of #shop from the em width you have to 
around 200px (to keep it from expanding horiz and dropping th float w/ 
font-scaling). The set of links at the bottom right corner of the page 
break as well.
Eighty percent of default (on body) is kind of tiny start point for 
those using a high dpi monitor.

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Re: [css-d] Page check

2007-09-28 Thread David Laakso
Scott Povlot wrote:
 Thanks, David.

 I changed the #shop width to 200px.  That's much
 better.

 However, I am not sure what you mean about Eighty
 percent of default (on body) is kind of tiny start
 point for those using a high dpi monitor. What
 resolution are you using?  What do you suggest for a
 font setting?

 Scott


   
re: http://www.piedmont-div.org/nmra/nmra_home_page.html

Scott,

Generally speaking, your fonts scale well. That is to say there is 
little problem for those who may, for whatever reason, wish to view and 
read the text of your site at a larger size than you have specified. And 
that is good!

If user default can said to be 100%, you've reduced what they prefer by 
specifying 80% on the body (or 20% smaller than they /may/ prefer). This 
is /sometimes/ problematic for users who are using monitors at a higher 
default dpi or screen resolution than your monitor [1]



[1]
body {

font-size:80%;
   }


A nice touch, /and this is a personal opinion/, would be to give all 
users default [2]

[2]

body {

font-size:100%;
   }

Best,

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Re: [css-d] Rounded and extended

2007-09-29 Thread David Laakso
Ian Rutgers wrote:
 Pls take a look at http://www.breakthe800.ca/test/index_rounded.php
 (ignore colors).  I am almost where I want to be but have reached a
 roadblock.  I have now got the rounded corners but am having trouble
 getting the columns extend all the way to the footer (left, center
 columns) without content the way the far right column extends width
 content. 
  
 Ian

   







You might consider using faux columns [1] or the companion column 
[2] method.

Some of the liberties you took in the document make it 4.01 html rather 
than the doctype you specified [3].

I regret the header is not quite as intended in IE6, and the green block 
and those below it drop.

[1] http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/
(ala timed out on me at sat 6:35p)
[2] http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/companions.html
[3] http://validator.w3.org/

Best,

~dL



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Re: [css-d] bottom alignment of two columns

2007-09-30 Thread David Laakso
William M Conlon wrote:
 I'm working on a new layout at http://new.ggfilms.com/

 using http://new.ggfilms.com/css/styles.css

 I have two sets of columns.  The upper set aligns vertically at the  
 top with each other as desired.

 The lower set of columns is supposed to align at the bottom, with  
 each other, and this is proving difficult for me.  I've adding  
 padding-top to the right column in order to push it down to about the  
 same bottom as the left column.

 The text in the two lower columns is not likely to change much, so I  
 can live with the padding approach, but I'm curious if there is a  
 better alternative.

 thanks.

 Bill


   

I am not sure if I understand what you're after. Or if this resolves the 
issue.

As it stands div#bottom is not enclosing the floats contained within it.
One way to open it is to float it left or right:
   
div#bottom { background-color: fuchsia; float: left; } --:: add to 
enclose the floats
   

div#bot_address p{
margin: 0; --:: add to bring p to the top of its enclosing container
padding-top: 20px; --:: add to push p to the bottom of its enclosing 
container
float:left;
font-size:.6em;
line-height:1em;
/*vertical-align:bottom;*/ --:: not needed?
}
div#bot_nav {background-color: lime; --test color
float:right;
text-align:right;
font-size:.8em;
padding-top:5em;
}
You may need to clear those floats as the right float may drop with font 
sizing.

When specifying em for font size, add html  {font-size: 100%;} to defeat 
an em -sizing bug in  iE.

Best,

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Re: [css-d] Previous Layout Issues

2007-10-01 Thread David Laakso
J Hodge wrote:
 David,

 I always appreciate your input when I approach the CSS
 list for ideas / hints / helps, even when we don't
 necessarily agree on approach.

 That said, I've spent the last few days re-coding the
 site on which I am working, with a specific aim
 towards making it function better upon
 text-enlargement...trimmed]


 http://www.lostinxlation.net/sandbox3/index.html

 http://www.lostinxlation.net/sandbox3/css/primary.css



 ~~J.
 (treswife at gmail dot com)

   


J Hodge wrote me off-list regarding Re: [css-d] Cross-browser Display 
Issue / Problem With NOSCRIPT Validation

J,

You are still having some text enlargement issues. Probably it is the 
absolute positioning and setting height to the wrong elements that's 
throwing you off.
Perhaps this will help to at least get you started [1] (very quick 
tested at +2 in compliant browsers and at text-size largest in IE6 and 7).

[1] http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/hodge01.html

hth,

~dL


PS I don't think you can divide a pixel. And while hacks are sometimes 
necessary, becoming dependent on them is seldom a good practice.

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Re: [css-d] re. refining tex-align: justify

2007-10-02 Thread David Laakso
Michael Leibson wrote:
 Jukka K. Korpela wrote: 

   
 . . . it is easy to insert a no-break space,. . .  as the entity reference 
 nbsp;, 
 e.g. likenbsp;this? 
 

   
 Similar things can be done in CSS . . . you can write
 span class=nobrlike this?/span
 with
 .nobr { white-space: nowrap; }
 

 Jukka K. Korpela (Yucca)
 http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/ 


 Thanks to both you, Jukka, and Philippe, for addressing this problem.

 Jukka, I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but neither nbsp; nor creating
 a span class with {white-space: nowrap;} has so far worked for me.  

 If you could possibly take a quick look at my css and mark-up, at: 

 http://members.distributel.net/~leibson/justified%20text,%20with%20various%20problems.htm
  

  -- I'd be most grateful!

 Oh yes:  does nbsp; work in HTML 4.01 Transitional?

 Thanks!

 - Michael
   





I'd be tempted to cut-in the widows in with a #10 x-acto knife and 
rubber cement; and, dry up the rivers with a sponge.

Regards,

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Re: [css-d] Previous Layout Issues / WAS: Cross-browser Display Issue / Problem With NOSCRIPT Validation

2007-10-02 Thread David Laakso
J Hodge wrote:
 David,

 I looked at the example you sent, and I see where you
 are going with it.  The problem in this case is that a
 height, or at least min-height, *has* to be specified
 on #container for the CurvyCorners script to work
 properly... trimmed

  
 ~~J. Hodge
 (treswife at gmail dot com)

   


In reference to uri :: 
http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/hodge01.html

Add both js to the file, and:

#container {
border : 1px solid silver;
margin : 20px auto 0 auto; --- :: the 20px margin at the top as shown ::
text-align : left;
width : 757px;
height : 34em;  -- :: add ::
min-height : 34em; --- :: add ::
}

The rounded corners come up in ff/mac and opera/mac on a local file and 
hold with font-scalling. You'll need to test in on your server with a PC 
withe font-scaling in IE6 and IE and resolve any other issues that may 
remain.

Best

PS Still no need to hack Opera on this end.


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Re: [css-d] Previous Layout Issues / WAS: Cross-browser Display Issue / Problem With NOSCRIPT Validation

2007-10-02 Thread David Laakso
J Hodge wrote:
 David,

 Thank you for this.  I did apply it, and it does work
 in conjunction with the script - my first iteration
 used percentile dimensions instead of ems.

 Also, on the surface, it does appear to solve the font
 scaling issue.  Except...

trimmed





I am not able to resolve your issue (s). You will want to seek 
assistance from someone else. Good luck and best wishes for success.

Regards,

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Re: [css-d] refining text-align: justify

2007-10-03 Thread David Laakso
Michael Leibson wrote:
 Ernie Finlay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  You could simply add to or reduce (minor)the font size to suit.:)

 Thanks, Ernie.  
 In the end, I decided to increase my paragraph's width enough to pop the 
 offending widow back onto the 
 end of the previous line.  
 - Michael




   

And what happens to your widow and your rivers if the user reduces 
the window width, uses a sidebar, has a minimum font size set that is 
greater than yours, bumps the font-sizes, or ignores your frozen fonts 
in IE and sets text-size largest?

Regards,

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Re: [css-d] Border dash bug in IE?

2007-10-03 Thread David Laakso
Ryan J Nauman wrote:
 At http://sai.cup.edu/caltimez/ - 

 I'm running IE6 at work.  The left and right dashed borders on my middle 
 div (content) are messed up and appear solid at certain points down the 
 page.  Any ideas how to fix?

 Thanks


   


It is a (another) bug in IE6. Try feeding IE a solid border.
* html #foo {border-right: 1px solid #eee; border-left: 1px solid #eee;}

Best,

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Re: [css-d] some text is rendering different between browsers..

2007-10-04 Thread David Laakso
Julian Tulip's Licorice wrote:
 Hello,

 I have what I am sure is a common question here,

 I am learning the ropes and I am stuck, my source renders fine in
 Firefox but it does different stuff in IE6.

 http://www.johnkehm.com/kona

 I put borders around the areas in question.
 I want it to look like it does in Firefox.

 Any help will be a big relief.

 Thank you,
 John
   



John,

Georg Sortun has already spelled out the problems.

This is /one/ way to resolve some of them [1].
Note that you'll want to use real text. But if you are compelled to 
doing a client driven photoshop thingy bites tongue, you'll need to 
provide an image replacement technique-- search engines and 
text-browsers are unable to read text set as an image.

A fair test for structural purposes is the layout should hold at least a 
+2 font-scaling in compliant browsers, and text-size largest in the 
'evil one.'

[1] http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/fish/fish.html


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[css-d] :: camino-- image border issue ::

2007-10-04 Thread David Laakso
The Creative Director is not happy. The left border is missing around 
his picture (bottom of center panel).
http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/index.html
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Re: [css-d] some text is rendering different between browsers..

2007-10-04 Thread David Laakso
Julian Tulip's Licorice wrote:
 Hello,

 Thanks very much for the response.

 I have to use graphics unfortunately.
 in fact, all the real text may get swapped with graphics which I think
 is absurd.

 a lot of the graphics on the site are also text,i just pull them off
 the screen with a negative margin, this way if i turn styles off the
 page is still useful.

 It looks like a lot of my problems were solved by fixing the Doctype,
   

RE:

http://www.johnkehm.com/kona



Yes, of course... how flaky of anyone to think otherwise

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Re: [css-d] :: camino-- image border issue :: resolved

2007-10-04 Thread David Laakso
Tee G. Peng wrote:
 I had similar problem with Camino once .
   Wrap the img in a  p or div does the trick.
 pimg class=c5 src=ca/site/images/thumbs/self.jpg alt=  
 width=175 height=245 //p

 Hope this helps!

 tee
 On Oct 4, 2007, at 3:07 PM, David Laakso wrote:

   
 The Creative Director is not happy. The left border is missing  
 around
 his picture (bottom of center panel).
 http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/index.html
 Thanks,
 ~dL
 

   

I was running an old version of Camino (I am new to a Mac), and therein 
the problem. The issue is corrected in the latest version of Camino.
Thank you to all who replied both on and off-list.

~dL

PS And yes: I am a Blue's fan...

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Re: [css-d] Safari Overflow:Auto Issue?

2007-10-05 Thread David Laakso
Chris Davis wrote:
 On a newly developed site I recently got an email saying that the content on 
 one page of the site only took up 10% of the screen: far too little to see! 
 The page makes use of overflow:auto and the user is browsing with Safari on a 
 Mac. Can anyone else see the problem and suggest fixes?

 The page is here: http://monna-vanna.com/cast/

 And the CSS for that piece of content is simply:

 #cast {
 padding-top:5px;
 height:360px;
 overflow:auto
 }

 Thanks in advance!

 Chris

   


Yes, this is to confirm that in Safari/2.0.4 the user's comment is 
fairly accurate. I regret I do not know the fix. You may want to 
validate the markup although this may have little or nothing to do with 
the issue at hand: same for the the fact that +2 font-scaling kind of 
does a number on the page in compliant browsers.

Sorry. I am not able to bring more than a user's observation to help out...

Best,

~dL



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