Re: BooBoo is home!!
Lynne, YAY re BooBoo's neuter. Don't despair re the anemia. Isabella had anemia, very high temps (107), enlarged spleen, still unexplained tremors and horrific pain and she kicked it all! She is doing GREAT. I was reading my old emails- we thought her time had come twice last summer. Several times we thought she had died. And now she is robust, happy, healthy and has gained weight and is 100% improved. She is a new cat. We had her retested yesterday. Will post results when we get them. We started interferon right away (inexpensive), and pred (inexpensive) and a pain med. She always wanted to eat which made our life easier. We also added transfer factor to her food. She's a little miracle kitty, like so many here. Prayers for beautiful BooBoo and hisses to those other people. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: BooBoo is home!! BooBoo just came home from his neutering. He had no trouble whatsoever with the anesthesia, has eaten, had a drink and can't stop purring. He's really happy to be home. The vet went over his blood work with us and told us it didn't look good. He's already anemic. I was so hoping for some good news. He's checking into some drugs for the future if needed and we choose to go that route. He said they are very expensive. This whole experience has sucked the life out of me. I look at this precious little guy and he has absolutely no signs of a disease yet I know he does. I am so angry with his previous owners right now. They emailed me last week when I told them the news and they pretty much suggested that we gave him this disease because he was always healthy and happy. This coming from a family who never took him to a vet. He was a mess when we got him, totally matted, fleas and a terrible case of earmites. Now he's beautifully groomed, clean and seemingly overjoyed at being here. This all so totally new to me. We've never had a pet with an illness, let alone something like this. I swear I'm becomming depressed. I'm not gonna let BooBoo know it though. Lynne
Re: BooBoo is home!!Anemia ~ hemobart?
Lynne, I am remembering we also tested/treated Isabella for Hemobartenella or something like that. It's a parasite that can cause anemia and is treatable. The med is kind of expensive but not bad. If my memory serves me correctly, we treated another cat for hemobartit seems like we didn't test him. Can't remember if the test is reliable. Anyone else more familiar with this?? Thanks Laurie
Re: BooBoo is home!!
- Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: BooBoo is home!! BooBoo just came home from his neutering. He had no trouble whatsoever with the anesthesia, has eaten, had a drink and can't stop purring. He's really happy to be home. The vet went over his blood work with us and told us it didn't look good. He's already anemic. I was so hoping for some good news. He's checking into some drugs for the future if needed and we choose to go that route. He said they are very expensive. This whole experience has sucked the life out of me. I look at this precious little guy and he has absolutely no signs of a disease yet I know he does. I am so angry with his previous owners right now. They emailed me last week when I told them the news and they pretty much suggested that we gave him this disease because he was always healthy and happy. This coming from a family who never took him to a vet. He was a mess when we got him, totally matted, fleas and a terrible case of earmites. Now he's beautifully groomed, clean and seemingly overjoyed at being here. This all so totally new to me. We've never had a pet with an illness, let alone something like this. I swear I'm becomming depressed. I'm not gonna let BooBoo know it though. Lynne
Isabella update
Well, Isabella's blood work came back mostly good. Her white blood count is below normal~ around where it was last summer. That was disappointing. Her FELV test from yesterday came back positive (this is her third positive test). Disappointing but not surprising. Her vet is having us stop giving the pain med and wants to reduce the pred if things go well with discontinuing the tramadal. All in all her vet is pleased with her current health and appearance. Laurie -
Re: Isabella update
Isabella's white blood count was 3,400 - normal is 3,700-20,500. Sounds like a different scale than yours, Lynne. I love this vet as we stay in touch by email so I snet her an email this evening asking what significance this reading is. I am disappointed that things aren't perfect but oh my, she is so much better than last summer. We are so grateful for her weight gain and happy countenance! We had many scares and almost as many miracles with kitties in the past year. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update I'm sorry the news wasn't better Laurie. Did your vet give you a copy of Isabella's white blood count. If so what was it. BooBoo's was 9.9 today. How does that compare? Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: Isabella update Well, Isabella's blood work came back mostly good. Her white blood count is below normal~ around where it was last summer. That was disappointing. Her FELV test from yesterday came back positive (this is her third positive test). Disappointing but not surprising. Her vet is having us stop giving the pain med and wants to reduce the pred if things go well with discontinuing the tramadal. All in all her vet is pleased with her current health and appearance. Laurie -
Re: BooBoo is home!!
Diane is right. Try Solid Gold cat tuna. My cats love it. Human tuna is not only bad for cats, it also can make them refuse food that is good for them. I think human tuna can cause kidney problems in cats. Laurie - Original Message - From: Diane Rosenfeldt To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: RE: BooBoo is home!! Lynne, I have always heard that human tuna in significant quantities can be bad for cats, especially male ones. It's recommended to substitute human tuna with high-quality tuna cat food, which is supplemented with necessary cat nutrients that human tuna doesn't have. (I think this is true of a lot of human/cat versions of various kinds of food.) An added issue in boy cats is urinary tract obstruction, I believe. Here's just one of many articles on the subject: http://www.lenhumanesoc.org/Tips/ASPCA-Tuna.htm For more, just Google tuna and cats and there will be a lot of reading matter. Diane R. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: BooBoo is home!! Pat, BooBoo is a little pig cat. He would eat all day long if we'd feed him. He's eaten a whole can of tuna since he got home from the vet as well as some hard food and is still wanting more. Tuna in spring water seems to be his favorite. He also likes a bit of sardines for snack. I bought him a really good dry and canned food at the vets but he only seems to like the hard stuff. You know, our first cat, Chuck, who lived to 19 was a very finicky eater. Actually his favorite foods were chicken and steak. He also ate some hard crunchies but that cat loved chicken more than anything. We used to buy a bunch of friers and bake them and make up a bunch of meals in bags for him. If we ate beef, he got beef. It couldn't have been too harmful because he lived a long and healthy life. Lynne - Original Message - From: Pat Kachur To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:08 PM Subject: Re: BooBoo is home!! I join the chorus of don't be depressed and don't give up. I agree with just about everything the others have said. It can't be stressed too much that BooBoo needs to eat and keep eating. My Mandy gets Wellness brand food from Whole Foods and she is 6+ years old and still no symptoms other than being deaf (which may or may not be related to the leukemia virus). I hope you and BooBoo enjoy yourselves for many years. Pat - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: BooBoo is home!! BooBoo just came home from his neutering. He had no trouble whatsoever with the anesthesia, has eaten, had a drink and can't stop purring. He's really happy to be home. The vet went over his blood work with us and told us it didn't look good. He's already anemic. I was so hoping for some good news. He's checking into some drugs for the future if needed and we choose to go that route. He said they are very expensive. This whole experience has sucked the life out of me. I look at this precious little guy and he has absolutely no signs of a disease yet I know he does. I am so angry with his previous owners right now. They emailed me last week when I told them the news and they pretty much suggested that we gave him this disease because he was always healthy and happy. This coming from a family who never took him to a vet. He was a mess when we got him, totally matted, fleas and a terrible case of earmites. Now he's beautifully groomed, clean and seemingly overjoyed at being here. This all so totally new to me. We've never had a pet with an illness, let alone something like this. I swear I'm becomming depressed. I'm not gonna let BooBoo know it though. Lynne
Re: [PHISH]RE: Immuno-Regullin and exercise
Me again. Mine don't eat if they have a cold, upset stomach or diarrhea (I sound like that commercial). Cats need to be able to smell their food. Coco won't eat her normal food when she has a hairball she is trying to get rid of. I usually find a hairball the next day and she is back on track eating again. As Lance suggested, watch carefully and make notes. I quickly forget which days things happen unless I make a note. I actually keep a notebook in the kitchen now for notes. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [PHISH]RE: Immuno-Regullin and exercise Sue, I so know how you feel. I just posted about our little guy coughing. I didn't believe the positive test at first and asked for more blood work and it's worse than I thought. Now every little thing I think is unusual I panic about, like this coughing. I just don't know how none of this concerned the previous owners. He's also becoming a ridiculously fussy eater. I've tried many different can foods and some hard foods and he just sticks his nose up. Fortunately our 19 year old pig-cat likes it all so it isn't totally wasted. It is all just such a drain on one. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sue Frank Koren To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [PHISH]RE: Immuno-Regullin and exercise Thank you for your advise. Yes, he love to run around and play like a maniac - after all he is only 8 - 10 months old and really still a kitten. He seems to get out of breath and his breathing is a little raspy when he has been playing hard, but maybe that is something that is normal for any cat. Because of the FeLV I am just noticing things differently with him. Right now I have to decide what will help him most and what I can afford. I have already switched him to an all canned Wellness diet. The Immuno-Regulin sounds pretty expensive. I also have two boys in college that I have to think of also. Do you know how many cats actually ever end up eventually testing negative with this? I guess there is a part of me that is still in denial. He tested negative when my brother first rescued him, then he tested positive when he had the in-office test at the vet when I got him. They then gave him the blood test which was also positive. I think April is when I will test him again. Meanwhile I will spoil him as much as I possibly can when he has to be stuck in one room. It's so nasty and snowy today that there isn't even a good view out the window from his chair. Sue - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:56 PM Subject: [PHISH]RE: Immuno-Regullin and exercise I don't know about the IR, but as far as the vaccs- it sounds like he handled them fine, so there's no need to stress yourself out about it now. Now you know better tho and can better protect him in the future by being better educated. And you are very to lucky to have found this site so early on. I only got to it when Monkee was in the throws of the illness and most hope was lost. And I felt horrible when I realized all the knowledge and information that was out there on the internet that I didn't think to take advantage of. I just took Monkee's incredible health for granted and thought if I kept him happy and not stressed, his beefy body would beat the odds. When I realized I could have been more proactive with things- like no vaccs, better diet, supplements, even meds to ward off the disease, I felt horrible, but I didn't have time or energy to cry over spilled milk at the time b/c I was so desperate for immediate help with Monkee's sick condition. It's since his passing that I realized the depth of what I allowed myself to miss out on. Could any of those things have made a difference in Monkee's individual case? I don't know? I never will. But if I can help someone else get to resources and better information SOONER than I did, then my guilt is lessened. You should feel really happy that you are taking full advantage of what is out there now- early- while Buzz is healthy. You have the chance to do all you can for him early on. Don't worry about him playing- if he's happy and healthy for now and he wants to run around like a maniac and play toys, by all means, let him do it. It's important to not treat him like an invalid, especially if he does not feel like one/doesn't know he is one b/c he will pick up on that. For most of Monkee's illness my mom kept telling me to stop crying around him and treating him like an invalid because at that point (until the last 2 wks), he didn't know he was sick- even when he was getting chemo. She didn't want Monkee to pick up on my cues
Re: coughing
Asthma can look like a hairball cough. There are many other things it can be, too, if not a hairball. Lung worm, heartworm, upper respiratory. An asthma kitty can also have a wet sounding purr. The hairball cough are what both Keisha and Frankie had. Both have/had asthma. Frankie's attacks alway finish with one big cough but everyone is different. Teddy's was evident only after he played.There are 3 good feline asthma yahoo groups. Asthma is diagnosed via chest xray and owner report. Don't let anyone suggest a BAL (bronchial avelor or something like that wash) ~ unnecessary and it reduces the airways of an already breathing compromised cat. Pls keep us posted. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:25 PM Subject: coughing Hi all. I've noticed that BooBoo gets these coughing spells. I described it to the vet and he says it sounds like fur balls. He does use his litter box so I don't think there is an obstruction or anything like that, but I'm not convinced this is the problem. I'll get some of that fur ball stuff in a tube for him today, but could this be something else? I have no idea if this was a problem before we got them because the previous owners will not offer up any more information on him to me. I do know that the previous owners smoked in their home and that certainly could not have been good for him. Is this a typical problem for a Felv cat ? If so, should I be getting him back to the vet for some kind of medication? Thanks Lynne
Re: coughing
Lynne, licking lips is indicative of upset stomach. Snorting is a new one. It really could just be a hairball...breathe and make notes! I know that I can easily go to a fear place. Frankie (blind, asthmatic and previously had pancreatitis) has been calling out in the night the past few nights. He sounds distressed and I don't believe I had ever heard his voice before. He's been with me for 10 years. This is totally new. So, is it a thyroid problem...or is he wanting the Drinkwell which is downstairs or is he maybe hungry. I'll keep notes and try the easy fixes first...but boy I know that I can go to the worse case quickly. Not good for me or him! L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:45 PM Subject: Re: coughing Thank Lance and Laurie for your advice. I definitely am going to start keeping a journal so when I do see the vet again I will have it all written down. To me it sounded like a fur ball cough, nothing came out though, but I also notice him licking his lips a lot and when he eats, he snorts. Oh I don't know. This is just all so foreign to me. Like I've mentioned, I've never had serious problems with cats. They just get really old, develop a kidney issue and have to be put down. This guy is a whole different story. If nothing else I certainly can appreciate that I was very fortunate to have one kid that grew up with no health issues. Some people have children with serious health issues and it must be so very difficult for them with the worry of losing them. Lynne - Original Message - From: Lance To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re: coughing I'd just watch him closely for the next few days to see if the cough changes in any way. If it's going away, or seems to happen less, then it might not be anything to worry about. Ember did this weird panting thing several weeks ago, and it hasn't happened since. She may have had a reaction to a high dose of Flagyl. If BooBoo actually does hack up fur, then it's highly unlikely to be something abnormal. Cats are prone to that, as you know. One thing I've done, though not as regularly as I should have, is to keep a text file on my computer of dates and any unusual health occurrences for Ember. I used it to track a diarrhea problem over a year ago, and I still have the file, in case I need to refer to it. Lance On Feb 10, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Lynne wrote: Hi all. I've noticed that BooBoo gets these coughing spells. I described it to the vet and he says it sounds like fur balls. He does use his litter box so I don't think there is an obstruction or anything like that, but I'm not convinced this is the problem. I'll get some of that fur ball stuff in a tube for him today, but could this be something else? I have no idea if this was a problem before we got them because the previous owners will not offer up any more information on him to me. I do know that the previous owners smoked in their home and that certainly could not have been good for him. Is this a typical problem for a Felv cat ? If so, should I be getting him back to the vet for some kind of medication? Thanks Lynne
Re: coughing
Belinda, Teddy had no coughing. He panted after exercise. Keisha and Frankie had/have the coughing. Frankie has coughed for 10 years (since the day I rescued him from my yard). Keisha really only coughed for about 2 months about 3 years ago (every day). Prednisone stopped it. She had two of the hairball coughing type attacks in the week before she died unexpectedly last summer. Her purring always sounded very loud, deep and wet. My vet said Frankie's problem was post nasal drip. He said this for 6 years. Frankie had a coughing attack twice a week (this is very common with asthma). A (finally) second opinion revealed asthma. (ps no we don't smoke...and yet had 3 cats with asthma). Laurie - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:27 PM Subject: Re: coughing Laurie, This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to my vet. She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his sinuses. He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma without coughing. These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
Re: coughing
Hi Belinda, small world. Lucy has HCM. Her meds have greatly improved her quality of life. She is much more active now. Frankie's early chest xrays did not show the donuts as there was no damage yet. That is why my vet said it was not asthma. Inhaled meds have resulted in improvement in chest xrays. This is Frankie's good time of year (winter) amd he's been attack free for several months now. From my experience, Joey's attacks could be asthma. Does he hunch way down and get his neck way out when he's coughing. How long does coughing last? Frankie's are always 10-15 minutes. My personal belief is that asthma is tied to allergies. Frankie's asthma is worst in fall (moldy leaves outside) and when we have remodeling done. Wonder if you kept track of times of year or suspected triggers for Joey's asthmawonder if there is a relationship between asthma and HCM. I have not heard of one. Keisha did have fluid around her HEART and died of congestive heart failure... Normally we have no spray or scented anything here. We have HEPA air cleaners, an air exchanger, and air cleaners on the furnace. I take many precautions. We live in the woods so dust is a factor. Laurie - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: Re: coughing When Joey was about 5 months old he panted after playing, I took him to the vet and he sent me to a specialty place. They did lots of tests and said he was early HCM, this was in Missouri. Moved back her and a year later had him rechecked, he was on medication for his supposed heart disease and looked awful, he looked very unhealthy, he looked 100 times better before he started the meds. The year later check up here in Washington state by a cardiologist revealed in his opinion Joey never had heart disease and he told me to stop the meds. He looked and acted better after stopping the meds. My sister moved in with me about then and brought 2 cats with her. Shelbee seemed to have an upper respiratory thing going on which cleared up but if memory serves me right Joey's breathing and purring thing started after that. Can't say 100% it did but that seems to be the time I associate noticing it with, so that is why I never doubted my vet telling me it was all in his upper respiratory area. Joey has these episodes 4,5 maybe 6 times a year and then he is fine, they usually last a week or two. I'm pretty sure I have insisted on a chest Xray at some point because I wanted to be sure it was nothing to worry about and he does have HCM now and is on medication for it these last 3 years. He gets a heart ultra sound once a year. Would a chest xray show asthma for sure?? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
Re: coughing
Belinda, that sounds like a challenge ~ HCM and CRF. Is the vomit undigested food? If yes, is he gobbling his food? Might check to see if the food refusal is connected with the vomiting (refusing before or after). I wonder if the panting might be associated with the HCM (if his heart is racing). I can't imagine he has asthma too... Bless his heart (literally). Lucy was diagnosed with HCM when she was 9, too. Hers has stayed the same on the benazepril and she will go off that med if she continues the same (via ultrasound) at her next appt. L - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:53 PM Subject: Re: coughing Hi Laurie, Joey has never coughed, it is the panting he did but only when he was 5 months old and then put on the heart meds stoppd that but he looked very unhealthy. When he was checked a year later he was taken off the meds and given a clean bill of health for the heart disease. He really developed heart disease at 9 years of age and has gotten benazepril since then and his heart disease is progessing very slowly. He is losing weight though and recently has starting vomiting one or two times a week. He also was diagnosed with eary CRF about a year ago and my vet wanted me to give him fluids 3 times a week, but he acts like I'm killing him so I have not done that. I know his kidney disease has progressed and the vomiting is partly from that because sometimes its just foam which goes along with CRF. BUT he never, ever vomited in his whole life so I will be taking him in to get that checked out because sometimes it is his food. His weight loss over the last few years has me a bit worried, he has gone from 10 pounds 5 or 6 years ago to just a little over 8 pounds now. I'm scared what she is going to say about his CRF, with his heart disease fluids are tricky so I have to be careful but advanced kidney disease sometimes requires alot of fluids, Fred get 150cc a day. We discovered Joey's HCM because he developed a heart murmur and we did an ultra sound and saw the slight thickening of the left side. His murmur has stayed the same for the last 3 years. From my experience, Joey's attacks could be asthma. Does he hunch way down and get his neck way out when he's coughing. How long does coughing last? Frankie's are always 10-15 minutes. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
Re: coughing
Belinda, Lucy had no symptoms with her HCM so they think, if she continues as she is, that maybe that is just how her heart looks. (We did chest xrays and blood work on everyone after Keisha died). I think she feels better on the meds and her BP was pretty high (200+). I think the meds can cause...is it kidney problems? Anyway, I think the side effects and lack of symptoms are the reason. Interesting about the hiss. Cooper does that. For no reason, he just hisses. He also will also sometimes get winded when he plays and will pant/open mouth breath. This does not happen often so I am just watching it for now. I can't even fathom the idea that I would have FOUR asthmatic cats. Laurie - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:14 PM Subject: Re: coughing Hi Laurie, Why would they take her off the meds? Joey will be on them for the rest of his life. He hasn't had to increase them because his HCM is progressing slowly, his thickening is about the same but his arotic value has dilated slightly more so there is progression. He is failry active for his age, he still doesn't like the fluids but I know he'll get used to them, Fred has been getting them for almost 2 years and he used to bite me and run under the bed. He figures out it wouldn't do him any good so now he just waits for me to take him out to the couch and do them. BUT the second I close off the valve he is gone. Fred is 17, Joey is 12 now, 13 this July. He hasn't panted since he was 5 months old, I have noticed something recently and I don't know what it means, I have never seen any other cat do it, he will open his mouth and sort of hiss, just a very short hiss, he just does it out of the blue. Ever seen that? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
Re: coughing
Winston (I feel like I just keep pulling another cat out of my hat!) will occasionally vomit undigested food about 1/2 hour after he's eaten. He does this sometimes and seems to be when he's eaten a larger that normal volume of food. L - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: Re: coughing Sometimes it is, he doesn't gobble his food though, I try to make sure they get food several times a day, 4 or 5 times a day. Is the vomit undigested food? If yes, is he gobbling his food? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ...
Re: Mysterio Please add to the CLS :(
I am so sorry for you, Melina and Mysterio. I am glad he knew love in his final weeks. Laurie - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:47 AM Subject: Mysterio Please add to the CLS :( I am sad to say that we lost sweet little Mysterio.He and his sister melina came into us about 3 weeks ago.The man that rescued him found him on his front porch almost dead.Then he brought him and Melina into Dr. Jen and she helped him through and he became the most beautiful fluffy black baby boy.We were working real hard getting them to trust us and he was just finally starting to purr when we held him.I will have to give his beautiful sister extra loving now that her brother is gone.Thank you all so much for being here for me. Sherry -- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
Re: CLS ~ my cats lived LONG lives with FeLV
ok time for me to chime in again. Squeaky lived to age 22 and Stripes lived to age 16. They were both feline leuk positive. Stripes was sick on and off and Squeaky was healthy except his final 3 weeks. HOPE reigns! So little was known about FeLV at that time. I did NOTHING special for them (Squeaky died in 1996). All I did was love them and get Stripes to the vet when he was symptomatic. Laurie -
Re: for Lynne - good stories ~ Kerry, please add mine?
Please add mine, too. Squeaky and Stripes lived to ages 22 and 16, respectively. I adopted them at ages 9 and 7 years. Their prior owner was going to EU them because her new stepdaughter was allergic. They were FeLV positive. Stripes was symptomatic on and off and Squeaky was healthy until his final 3 weeks of life. They were large boyes ~ 15 lbs each. They were absolute loves. And, Isabella was rescued May 2007. She tested positive twice. She was very sick. Temp of 107, unexplained tremors, enlarged spleen and anemia. We almost lost her several times. She screamed if you tried to touch her. She was miserable. She never lost her will to eat, thank goodness. BellaBoo, as her adoptive mom calls her, thrives now and has doubled her weight. She lives alone with her mama who is my good friend and cat sitter. Laurie, Cedar Rapids, Iowa - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: for Lynne - good stories Lynne, I thought you might like to see this compilation of affirming stories from current and one-time listmembers that I put together in 2006. (Sheila and Michelle, I'll add yours if that's ok!) Kerry Bailey, diagnosed FeLV+ at 5 months of age, will turn 11 years old in May of 2006. He has 5 housemates, all of whom are negative and FeLV vaccinated--they eat, sleep, and play together, groom each other, and on the rare occasion have disagreements. In the almost 11 years that they have all lived together nobody else has become positive. Belinda, Sumner, WA [Belinda is a co-founder of felineleukemia.org and unstinting in her work on behalf of FeLV cats] ~ When I found Wowie outside my office in November, 2005 and adopted him, knowing he had FeLV, I thought I might have to distance myself from the situation, but I knew that no one would give him a better home than I could. Today Wowie is thriving and I wouldn't trade anything in the world for the love and joy this cat has brought into my life. I feel lucky every single day...just ask anyone I keep blabbing to about him! No matter how long his life may be, I will always be grateful for the time he has been a part of my life and know that because I gave him a chance, he has lived a more comfortable, warmer, loved existence in my home. And boy, does he show that he appreciates it! Rebecca Ulloa, Massapequa, NY ~ We have THREE cats with FeLV. Peridot is a beautiful orange tabby and he came to us over 7 years ago. The vet estimated his age then at about 4. He is now at least 11 years old and is as healthy as any other cat. He has had no symptoms. My mother and I rescued FeLV kitties Lovey and Merry from Georgia in February last year and they are now over 2 years old and both healthy without any symptoms. They all interact with our other three cats without any problem. My non-FeLV cats receive their shots each year, my FeLV cats receive Interferon daily, and all of them get a dose of L-Lysine daily. I expect all of them to live a nice long healthy life. Janine, Herbster, WI ~ Samantha, Ariele and Salome came to me as kittens. I didn't know they were FeLV positive until later. Samantha lived till she was 3, Ariele lived till she was 4 1/2 and Salome lived until 9 1/2. Salome was our joy and the kitty love of my husband's life. Siggie, almost 6, a negative cat, lived alongside of all of the FeLV+ cats, kept up to date with the FeLV booster. He remains negative to this day. Terri Brown, Trenton, NJ I have a wonderful, loving former throw away named Dixie Louise. We are not real sure how old she is but I suspect about 2 years old. She was tested for FeLV + in June 2005 when I took her to the vet to be spayed. She lived on my mother's patio and in a pine thicket for several months (including the entire winter in a Rubbermaid shelter) before I took her to the vets'. She is an indoor cat now and has been since she tested. She has had no real health issues. She is one of the sweetest cats I have ever known. My vets have assured me that FeLV is not a death sentence and were visibly relieved when I decided to keep the little homeless cat instead of having her killed. Marylyn I adopted Cricket as a kitten and he was 2 when I found out he was FeLV positive. Cricket lived a good life until he was 4.5 years old. He was such a special kitty--he liked to shower, LOVED to play, slept with my husband and I every night, and just captured my heart from the start. I miss him terribly, but despite the pain of losing him, I will never regret adopting him. Wendy E., Dallas, TX ~ My first FeLV cat was Calawalla Banana Booboo. She was outside my house, playing regularly, when I began feeding her and took her inside. I couldn't believe it when the vet said that she tested positive for FeLV.
Re: the good stories~food idea for BooBoo
Try Solid Gold canned tuna (cat food) if you can find it. It's my secret weapon. - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: the good stories Thank you all for sharing these uplifting stories. I'm tempted to print them out and show to my vet. I called his office this morning and asked the assistant if I could possibly fax a list of questions and suggestions regarding BooBoo's care and then come in to talk to him. Well he called me back at work and thanked me for doing that and even mentioned how intelligent and informed I was. I told him I had been doing a lot of reading and all these suggestions came from this group. I thought he might laugh at it but he was very impressed. He is totally in agreement about the course of Doxycycline and said tonight we'd sit down and discuss the use of Interferon. I know it is going to cost us a fortune, everything does over here, but just by chance my dad gave me a thousand dollars for my birthday so that will certainly help. He did mention that they do transfuse animals but the same problem would surface in time and it can be dangerous anyway. Not even going to consider that one. So that's where we stand. He needs to be checked tonight for his breathing and runny nose and come up with some way to get him to eat more. Nothing I've offered him seems to meet his approval. Talk to you all later. Lynne
Re: coughing
Kerry, Winston chews on cotton and licks my clothes (esp the underarms). Goofy kitties provide us lots of laughs! L - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: RE: coughing Your email made me chuckle Laurie! My Tiger does that--throws up after eating. He does gobble--basically his goal is to eat EVERYONE'S food. I've had to separate the dishes. I think it's comfort eating, for him. (He's also a wool-sucker.) Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: coughing Winston (I feel like I just keep pulling another cat out of my hat!) will occasionally vomit undigested food about 1/2 hour after he's eaten. He does this sometimes and seems to be when he's eaten a larger that normal volume of food. L - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: Re: coughing Sometimes it is, he doesn't gobble his food though, I try to make sure they get food several times a day, 4 or 5 times a day. Is the vomit undigested food? If yes, is he gobbling his food? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Boo medicine
Hi. We give interferon by mouth. It has no taste is not a problem to give. Maybe what you are giving is different. There are 2 kinds, I think. One is for humans (diluted) and one for cats (expensive). We give the human one. The doxy tastes terrible. Can you chase it with a small amount of water by syringe (have it ready to go) and/or offer a little canned food to get rid of the taste? BooBoo is a character. What a funny boy SO full of personality! L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: Boo medicine I have to tell you guys the funniest thing with BooBoo and his Doxycycline. I gave him his first dose last night, through a syringe. He hated it. This morning I go upstairs with it and he knows what's coming. After a bit of a struggle I get the stuff down him. He immediately jumps up onto the bed along side of my husband who is still sleeping and sits there scowling at me. I just went up to check on him and there he is, under the covers, laying on his side with his head on the pillow as close to my husband as he can be, still scowling at me. This is going to be a battle for a week I can tell. I don't know how the interferon injections are going to go over. He's so good with the vet, I may just have to take him there for the shots. Lynne
Re: Boo medicine
Lynne, I usually give meds with food in case they upset the stomach. You might check and make sure it is ok to give doxy with food. I can't think of any med I haven't been able to give with food, though. Lucy never drinks water but she eats canned food so gets her fluids that way. If you feed canned, him not drinking shouldn't be a big deal. Good luck. Again, you never know how long BooBoo might be with you. Could be a good long time. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Boo medicine The interferon the vet is having us give BooBoo is the diluted one. According to him, in our instance anyway, the liquid will be better for him. It's gonna cost 181.00 but the vet said this will be enough to last his lifetime. I don't think any of tus believe BooBoo has a lot of years left in him. He will be on one subcutaneous shot daily for a week, off a week and on again. It really is just a pick under the skin but still I'm sure it won't be pleasant. I may just opt for taking him to the vet daily because he is so good at these things. As for the doxy, it's in a chicken flavored oil but I'm betting there's an aftertaste to it. I'm attempting to give it to him after I know he's eaten something so it won't be so hard on his stomach. I went to a pet food store today and the woman loaded me up with holistic all natural food samples for him. It has no filler stuff in it and hopefully he will find one he loves. I also picked up some goat's milk for him hoping he will drink a bit for fluid. He doesn't drink much water if any. If he won't drink it I'll just use it to make soap with. I have a small on the side business of soap making. I'll keep on trying til I find this boy something not only that he loves but is good for him. He's just so darn cute. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 9:18 AM Subject: Re: Boo medicine Hi. We give interferon by mouth. It has no taste is not a problem to give. Maybe what you are giving is different. There are 2 kinds, I think. One is for humans (diluted) and one for cats (expensive). We give the human one. The doxy tastes terrible. Can you chase it with a small amount of water by syringe (have it ready to go) and/or offer a little canned food to get rid of the taste? BooBoo is a character. What a funny boy SO full of personality! L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: Boo medicine I have to tell you guys the funniest thing with BooBoo and his Doxycycline. I gave him his first dose last night, through a syringe. He hated it. This morning I go upstairs with it and he knows what's coming. After a bit of a struggle I get the stuff down him. He immediately jumps up onto the bed along side of my husband who is still sleeping and sits there scowling at me. I just went up to check on him and there he is, under the covers, laying on his side with his head on the pillow as close to my husband as he can be, still scowling at me. This is going to be a battle for a week I can tell. I don't know how the interferon injections are going to go over. He's so good with the vet, I may just have to take him there for the shots. Lynne
Re: diarrhea
Could be the different foods, too. Or stress. Or a combination of factors. The probiotics or yogurt mentioned might help with this. I recall that Midas the kitten had diarrhea until we got him off all his meds. I am sorry to hear BooBoo has this to contend with, too. How many days go you have to give the doxy? L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:00 AM Subject: diarrhea I'm very sorry, I must have deleted an email about diarrhea and doxycycline. Is there something I can give to BooBoo to help with this side effect. He's only had 4 doses of the stuff and it isn't agreeing with him. Lynne
Re: diarrhea
Lynne, I would also call your vet and let him or her know about the diarrhea. I want to reassure you that we thought both Midas and Isabella would not make it this past year. They are both thriving. It's hard to see past today's troubles but hope keeps us going. My best Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:39 AM Subject: Re: diarrhea Two weeks Laurie. I picked up some yogurt so I'll try offering him some of that. - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:14 AM Subject: Re: diarrhea Could be the different foods, too. Or stress. Or a combination of factors. The probiotics or yogurt mentioned might help with this. I recall that Midas the kitten had diarrhea until we got him off all his meds. I am sorry to hear BooBoo has this to contend with, too. How many days go you have to give the doxy? L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:00 AM Subject: diarrhea I'm very sorry, I must have deleted an email about diarrhea and doxycycline. Is there something I can give to BooBoo to help with this side effect. He's only had 4 doses of the stuff and it isn't agreeing with him. Lynne
Re: FeLV Vaccination
Interacting can also be a problem for the immune compromised feline leukemia positive cat. That kitty can pick up things from the other cats and not be able to fight them off. If I hadopted or rescued a FeLV positive cat, I would not comingle but I might try to find him a friend as long as the friend didn't stress him/her. I know others here do comingle. If I found out one of my existing cats was positive, I wouldn't change things and they would all continue to live together. In the past, whenever I have brought a new cat in, I have made certain our feleuk vaccinations were current. I am not a fan of those vaccinations because of VAS so I don't think I would vaccinate for that again...plus my vet thinks the first series of feleuk vaccinations is enough protection for life. This is just my opinion and experience. Others who have co mingled are a better source of advice and information. My friend had Sass, a negative, in with a group of positives. Sass was not vaccinated for FeLV because she thought he was positive. They all lived together and after 5 years my friend wondered why Sass never got sick when the others did. She (re?)tested him and found out he was negative. That was over 5 years ago. He was removed from the room at the time and is still alive and well! L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: Re: FeLV Vaccination Sue, I am the least qualified to answer this, but I would think that if Buzz has his own litter box and his own food dish the risk would be small. Of course you wouldn't want them fighting either. I too have read that the vaccine is not totally effective but I think 60 to 80% effectiveness is better than 0. He may not even want to be involved with the other cats. My two want nothing to do with each other. Why not at least have supervised interaction while you're home with them. Yeah I know about the minor full time job and family details. I feel like a neglective mother to my sick child at times. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sue Frank Koren To: fe lv Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: FeLV Vaccination Several people here have said that they have their FeLV + kitties living in with FeLV - cats, and the negative cats are not getting infected. I am trying to decide if I should vaccinate my others and let Buzz out of his room. My vet is against it and says the vaccinations are only 60 - 80% effective. The vet does not seem to be up on all that is going on with FeLV, though, and I am considering switching vets. Buzz really doesn't,t mind his room, but he is a social boy and cries when he doesn't want to be alone. I visit him as often as I can and spend at least an hour or so in the evenings in with him, but such minor details as a full time job and the rest of my human and cat family keep me away from being with him as much as he and I would like. It seems as if vaccinating the others and freeing Buzz from his prison room is the best solution, but not if any of the others end up being infected. Their ages range from 2 to 8 years. Two of them, Charlie and Tucker have other health problems and I don't know if that would put them more at risk. Anyway, has anyone ever heard of a vaccinated cat being infected?
Re: Boo medicine
This is my recollection as well. Laurie - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 2:26 PM Subject: Re: Boo medicine I seem to remember my vet telling me the diluted interferon is only good for three months. A three month supply cost me $30.00 if I remember, it's been a long time ago. Your vet should only dilute a three month supply at one time. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
Re:info about doxycycline
My recollection is doxy is only in liquid form. The following is from a discussion of feline bartonella at http://www.jaaha.org/cgi/content/full/40/1/6 Note: dosing and side effect (diarrhea) info. I recall it being recommended that we follow doxy with water via syringe. Reasonsfor that are given here, too. Therapy Previous Bartonella therapeutic trials were unsuccessful in humans and cats;42–44 however, recent studies have shown that long-term antibiotic therapy with azithromycin, doxycycline, and rifampin have eradicated infections in both species.45–48 AntiBartonella therapy of infected cats consists of azithromycin (10 mg/kg body weight, per os [PO] given once daily for 21 days).46–48 Alternatively, doxycycline (10 mg/kg body weight, PO every 12 hours for 6 weeks) or rifampin (10 mg/kg body weight, PO once daily for 21 days) can be used. Possible adverse reactions include azithromycinintractable vomiting or diarrhea and doxycycline-induced esophageal strictures if the capsule lodges in the esophagus; this can be avoided with the administration of water following administration of the doxycycline capsules. Laurie - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 2:21 PM Subject: Re: Boo medicine I'm glad Boo is on the doxy, but a week is not long enough, it should be for a 3 or 4 week minimum. The taste is disgusting, can you get the pill form, you could put the pill in a pill pocket or empty capsule and he wouldn't even taste it. All of my cats hate liquid meds, I never get that unless it doesn't come in anything else. Boo is lucky to have you in his corner!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
Re: Re:info about doxycycline
Lynne, the water chaser will help get rid of the bad taste. L - Original Message - From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Re:info about doxycycline Thanks Laurie. The vet said not to be concerned about the diarrhea he's having at the moment. If he were vomiting that would be cause for concern. I squirt 1ml down his throat twice a day. He just hates being forced to do something. I am trying to time the dosing so he has food in his stomach so it isn't so hard on him. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 3:35 PM Subject: Re:info about doxycycline My recollection is doxy is only in liquid form. The following is from a discussion of feline bartonella at http://www.jaaha.org/cgi/content/full/40/1/6 Note: dosing and side effect (diarrhea) info. I recall it being recommended that we follow doxy with water via syringe. Reasonsfor that are given here, too. Therapy Previous Bartonella therapeutic trials were unsuccessful in humans and cats;42–44 however, recent studies have shown that long-term antibiotic therapy with azithromycin, doxycycline, and rifampin have eradicated infections in both species.45–48 AntiBartonella therapy of infected cats consists of azithromycin (10 mg/kg body weight, per os [PO] given once daily for 21 days).46–48 Alternatively, doxycycline (10 mg/kg body weight, PO every 12 hours for 6 weeks) or rifampin (10 mg/kg body weight, PO once daily for 21 days) can be used. Possible adverse reactions include azithromycinintractable vomiting or diarrhea and doxycycline-induced esophageal strictures if the capsule lodges in the esophagus; this can be avoided with the administration of water following administration of the doxycycline capsules. Laurie - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 2:21 PM Subject: Re: Boo medicine I'm glad Boo is on the doxy, but a week is not long enough, it should be for a 3 or 4 week minimum. The taste is disgusting, can you get the pill form, you could put the pill in a pill pocket or empty capsule and he wouldn't even taste it. All of my cats hate liquid meds, I never get that unless it doesn't come in anything else. Boo is lucky to have you in his corner!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
Re: + - cats together
My cats love the Cat Sitter DVD. If it would work to set up a DVD player, he'd be entertained for hours! http://www.thecatconnection.com/page/TCC/PROD/HOL-PET/ If that won't work, try playing a radio for him. Or even TV. When (if) it's nice outside, an open window can entertain for hours. L - Original Message - From: Sue Frank Koren To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 5:10 PM Subject: Re: + - cats together Dorothy, Thank you for telling about Armond. I guess that answers my question - they can be infected even with the vaccination. That is too much risk for me and my original cats. If one of them got sick I would feel horrible! I don't want to get another FeLV+ cat, it seems like that would just double the trouble, and both of them in this small room. The best I can do is make this as a place as possible for him. I already have one of those donuts with a ball inside, a soft square he can hide in and various other cat toys. I think I will replace the chair by the window with a cat condo. Any suggestions for making room sweet room a fun place for Buzz to be? The floor is carpeted, so things that roll across the floor don't work. Sue - Original Message - From: Dorothy Noble To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: + - cats together To Sue Frank ~ I absolutely understand about you wanting Buzz to be with the others. It is so tough to have them separated. We brought in a stray a year ago and did not have her tested (but we did have her vaccinated). Anyway, she was positive and exposed our others. Armond caught the virus but my other cat did not. All of my animals were always vaccinated. Based on my experience, I would not mix them. I have had Armond since he was 4 weeks old, he has had all of his shots and he still tested positive from being with the other positive cat. We just adopted another FeLV positive cat so Armond could have a friend and we had a special house built for them. It works out great. Dorothy Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: + - cats together
One thing my firiend did was bring out the kitty in a carrier and place her up high so she could watch the goings on but not interact with the others. - Original Message - From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:03 AM Subject: Re: + - cats together Thanks for the ideas! I googled the cat dancer and it is very similar to Buzz's favorite toy which is a wand with a long leather string tied to a mouse with feathers. He plays so hard with that toy that he ends up panting. While on that website I found something called Mouse in the House that looks like it will be good for the long times when he is alone. We have to keep his room locked because one of our other cats, Scottie, is very good at opening closed doors. Every time I visit him I have to pick the lock from the outside. I say goodbye to him before I leave for work, and check on him for a few minutes when I come home. Then I have to fix dinner and after it is cleaned up I try to bring him out to the family room on my lap for a little bit, but he doesn't want to be held out there. I end up going back in his room with him for the rest of the evening. The idea about a bird feeder will work and I think grass in tubs would be good also. I assume cat grass is OK for FeLV + ? The other cats would enjoy the grass, also. All of them are indoor cats. Can't play favorites. Maybe after some time goes by Buzz will get used to living in one room and not cry so. Sue Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Try bird feeders near the window and a window perch. Cats can bat balls and toys even on carpet. A nice box to hide in would be great. I had two cats who loved the Catnip (I think that is the title) tape (birds, squirrels etc) even though they had a 12x6x6 covered kennel with 24/7 access. Lots of personal time with you too.maybe a tv or radio to listen to part of the time (not all of the time--it becomes noise then). Dixie has three pans (goat food size rubber pans) on dollies with grass and capnip growing in them. She can get into the pans and roll in the grass and catnip and have a ball (she has three because she wears them down and they need time to refresh). A warm place to snuggle, maybe with a snuggle safe. Ideas.take what works for you and for Amond. On Feb 17, 2008, at 9:18 PM, Lance wrote: I think most cats play best with interactive toys. Ember loves the Cat Charmer, and while we haven't played with it in awhile, she liked the Cat Dancer, too. I also have a few pieces of elastic material that my mom gave me, and those work. A cat condo with a view is a great idea. Lance On Feb 17, 2008, at 5:10 PM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: Dorothy, Thank you for telling about Armond. I guess that answers my question - they can be infected even with the vaccination. That is too much risk for me and my original cats. If one of them got sick I would feel horrible! I don't want to get another FeLV+ cat, it seems like that would just double the trouble, and both of them in this small room. The best I can do is make this as a place as possible for him. I already have one of those donuts with a ball inside, a soft square he can hide in and various other cat toys. I think I will replace the chair by the window with a cat condo. Any suggestions for making room sweet room a fun place for Buzz to be? The floor is carpeted, so things that roll across the floor don't work. Sue - Original Message - From: Dorothy Noble To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: + - cats together To Sue Frank ~ I absolutely understand about you wanting Buzz to be with the others. It is so tough to have them separated. We brought in a stray a year ago and did not have her tested (but we did have her vaccinated). Anyway, she was positive and exposed our others. Armond caught the virus but my other cat did not. All of my animals were always vaccinated. Based on my experience, I would not mix them. I have had Armond since he was 4 weeks old, he has had all of his shots and he still tested positive from being with the other positive cat. We just adopted another FeLV positive cat so Armond could have a friend and we had a special house built for them. It works out great. Dorothy Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: breathing difficulties
Did he aspirate? Was the problem after the water or after the doxy? Maybe the water isn't working with him. I would call the vet and ask about this. Our vet told us we had to give the doxy directly (not mixed in food). Midas hated it too. It's really important thing is for YOU to be calm before you give him the meds and don't think about it before you actually do it. This is how I got Frankie, a formerly feral kitten, to take inhaled meds. I had to calm my own mind. I also think they can sense if we are going to give them a med so I didn't think about it before I sat down to do it. It did help. Our cats sense our mood...I hope this makes sense. I just got up. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: breathing difficulties I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning. He hates being given this Doxy and fights me. I gave him some water via syringe after it as well. Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing through his mouth for about 10 minutes. He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal circumstances. I can't imagine what kind of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him. Should I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food? It's doubtful he would get the appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater. I'm beginning to think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be best to just let nature take its course without intervention. I hate this. One minute he seems perky and now he's just exhausted. I spent the time with him while he was having problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and even his purring was excessively loud. I don't know how much more this little guy can tolerate. Lynne
Re: + - cats together
Even a paper bag. And you can hide treats for him to find. - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 6:13 AM Subject: Re: + - cats together Try bird feeders near the window and a window perch. Cats can bat balls and toys even on carpet. A nice box to hide in would be great. I had two cats who loved the Catnip (I think that is the title) tape (birds, squirrels etc) even though they had a 12x6x6 covered kennel with 24/7 access. Lots of personal time with you too.maybe a tv or radio to listen to part of the time (not all of the time--it becomes noise then). Dixie has three pans (goat food size rubber pans) on dollies with grass and capnip growing in them. She can get into the pans and roll in the grass and catnip and have a ball (she has three because she wears them down and they need time to refresh). A warm place to snuggle, maybe with a snuggle safe. Ideas.take what works for you and for Amond. On Feb 17, 2008, at 9:18 PM, Lance wrote: I think most cats play best with interactive toys. Ember loves the Cat Charmer, and while we haven't played with it in awhile, she liked the Cat Dancer, too. I also have a few pieces of elastic material that my mom gave me, and those work. A cat condo with a view is a great idea. Lance On Feb 17, 2008, at 5:10 PM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: Dorothy, Thank you for telling about Armond. I guess that answers my question - they can be infected even with the vaccination. That is too much risk for me and my original cats. If one of them got sick I would feel horrible! I don't want to get another FeLV+ cat, it seems like that would just double the trouble, and both of them in this small room. The best I can do is make this as a place as possible for him. I already have one of those donuts with a ball inside, a soft square he can hide in and various other cat toys. I think I will replace the chair by the window with a cat condo. Any suggestions for making room sweet room a fun place for Buzz to be? The floor is carpeted, so things that roll across the floor don't work. Sue - Original Message - From: Dorothy Noble To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: + - cats together To Sue Frank ~ I absolutely understand about you wanting Buzz to be with the others. It is so tough to have them separated. We brought in a stray a year ago and did not have her tested (but we did have her vaccinated). Anyway, she was positive and exposed our others. Armond caught the virus but my other cat did not. All of my animals were always vaccinated. Based on my experience, I would not mix them. I have had Armond since he was 4 weeks old, he has had all of his shots and he still tested positive from being with the other positive cat. We just adopted another FeLV positive cat so Armond could have a friend and we had a special house built for them. It works out great. Dorothy Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: breathing difficulties
Vet isn't in same emotional space as you are...could be the explanation. Prayers with you. I feel he is going to be fine. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:28 AM Subject: Re: breathing difficulties No, he didn't aspirate. I gave the water immediately after the doxy so I don't know which caused it. I think he was hyperventilating. I stayed with him til he calmed down and went to sleep, and honestly I'm afraid to go upstairs. I'm sure he does sense my anxiety. He does not like to be held or confined in any manner. What bugs me though is when we go to the vet, the vet can do anything to him, give him pills, take his temp and BooBoo will just go limp, won't argue, fight, nothing, just scowel. Better go upstairs and make sure he's just sleeping. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:02 AM Subject: Re: breathing difficulties Did he aspirate? Was the problem after the water or after the doxy? Maybe the water isn't working with him. I would call the vet and ask about this. Our vet told us we had to give the doxy directly (not mixed in food). Midas hated it too. It's really important thing is for YOU to be calm before you give him the meds and don't think about it before you actually do it. This is how I got Frankie, a formerly feral kitten, to take inhaled meds. I had to calm my own mind. I also think they can sense if we are going to give them a med so I didn't think about it before I sat down to do it. It did help. Our cats sense our mood...I hope this makes sense. I just got up. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: breathing difficulties I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning. He hates being given this Doxy and fights me. I gave him some water via syringe after it as well. Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing through his mouth for about 10 minutes. He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal circumstances. I can't imagine what kind of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him. Should I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food? It's doubtful he would get the appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater. I'm beginning to think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be best to just let nature take its course without intervention. I hate this. One minute he seems perky and now he's just exhausted. I spent the time with him while he was having problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and even his purring was excessively loud. I don't know how much more this little guy can tolerate. Lynne
Transdermal meds/compounded treats ~ contact info
We give Isabella's pred and tramadal via transdermal application to the ear. Franck's Lab.(800) 328-7060. I give Lucy her benazapril compounded into a chicken flavored treat (not a pill pocket but the med is mixed into a treat by the pharmacy). She eats it with her breakfast. BCP Veterinary Pharmacy. www.bcpvetpharm.com 800-481-1729 No stress for anyone. I love transdermal and compounded treats! Laurie - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:35 AM Subject: Re: breathing difficulties You can also get some meds compounded transdermally and put them in the ear. I
Re: FeLV Vaccination--Laurie
Sass went to live in her house with her. He adjusted well to the group of kitties there. The feline leukemia positive kitties are in a room in another house on her property (heated, AC, access to screened porch and lots of visitors). I would be honored to have my story shared. Here are more details: I adopted Squeaky (age 8) and Stripes (age 9) from a woman whose step daughter was allergic to cats. She was going to euthanize them if she could not find a home. She loved them but didn't know what to do other than run an ad. I was a graduate student looking in the paper for a pair of older, neutered cats to adopt. They were great cats and beautiful. Squeaky would play with Stripes' tail. Stripes loved to lay on my chest with his front paws pressed against my chin. Squeaky loved our nightly combing. They chased aluminum foil balls down the stairs, claimed any blue jeans left laying around, chattered at the birds and licked the fingers of any visitors who smoked. They also slept on their mom's husband's jeans, which he laid on the bed when he got home from work. And, he smoked. Nancy and I stayed in touch during the boys' lives. Nancy had adopted both as kittens. Stripes was adopted from someone whose cat had a litter and Squeaky was adopted from a shelter a year later. After I adopted them, Stripes was sick on and off. One time I came home and his mouth was hanging open. The vet thought Squeaky bit him (no way) and gave him a shot that paralyzed his rear legs. I rushed him to another vet who told me he would not recover. We put the mattress on the floor so he could crawl into bed. He miraculously recovered. I found a new vet the next time Stripes got sick. He tested both of them and they were positive for feline leukemia! Since Squeaky had never been sick, the vet said he was likely a carrier , carrying the virus in his bone marrow. Stripes lived to age 16. He was sick on and off his entire 7 years with me. Squeaky lived to age 22! He was sick only his last 3 weeks of life (oral cancer). Except: he was sick for 3 days each time he had a feline leukemia vaccination (no vet could ever explain this to me). Of course, they stopped getting FeLV vaccinations after their positive test results. Both boys were big. They weighed 15 lbs. Stripes was a brown tabby and Squeaky was a gray tabby. Squeaky died October 30, 1996. He was my soul mate. We spent many years together ~ just the two of us. May 2007 my 13 year old niece rescued a smoke black tortie. She tested positive for FeLV. The vet literally stopped examing her when the tech told him this. I told him we were not going to euthanize her. We scheduled her for a spay. We scheduled her 3 times and each time we took her to be spayed, her temp was higher than the time before. It topped at 107. She was anemic and had this unexplained temp. We took her to an internal medicine specialist. We discovered she had enlarged spleen but all the other news was good (nothing else evident on ultrasound). Isabella was sick for 3 months. A couple times we thought she was dead when we went to feed her. She had unexplained pain and would have tremors or seizures. We even considered euthanizing her because of her pain. But, instead we found a wonderful vet. She prescribed antibiotics, prednisilone and tramadal (for pain). Isabella thrived. We also use interferon ~ 7 days on and 7 days off. Bellaboo, as her foster and now adoptive mom calls her, never lost her appetite which helped her get better. She has almost doubled her weight. We've had her tested 2 more times and she has been positive each time. Her white blood count is still a little low but she is otherwise happy and healthy and loved! The vet saw her 2 weeks ago. Here is what she said Hey Laurie! Little Isabella looks GORGEOUS!!! What a beautiful kitty she has turned into! I believe the love of her foster mommy, a low stress living environment ~ just Bella and her mommy ~ and great vet care are what saved Bellaboo. I believe in miracles! Laurie Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Re: FeLV Vaccination--Laurie
thanks Kerry! Hugs back, Laurie - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 3:15 PM Subject: RE: FeLV Vaccination--Laurie Thanks so much for taking the time to share your stories for the good story list Laurie---boy, they are so inspiring. Squeaky, Stripes and Bellaboo were so very lucky to find you. What a great age Squeaky and Stripes lived to, as well! And kudos to you for having more sense and compassion than all those vets put together. Bellaboo's story is hugely encouraging-she really is a walking miracle! I'm SO glad you found a great vet in the endI know what a difference that makes. hugs, Kerry -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FeLV Vaccination--Laurie Sass went to live in her house with her. He adjusted well to the group of kitties there. The feline leukemia positive kitties are in a room in another house on her property (heated, AC, access to screened porch and lots of visitors). I would be honored to have my story shared. Here are more details: I adopted Squeaky (age 8) and Stripes (age 9) from a woman whose step daughter was allergic to cats. She was going to euthanize them if she could not find a home. She loved them but didn't know what to do other than run an ad. I was a graduate student looking in the paper for a pair of older, neutered cats to adopt. They were great cats and beautiful. Squeaky would play with Stripes' tail. Stripes loved to lay on my chest with his front paws pressed against my chin. Squeaky loved our nightly combing. They chased aluminum foil balls down the stairs, claimed any blue jeans left laying around, chattered at the birds and licked the fingers of any visitors who smoked. They also slept on their mom's husband's jeans, which he laid on the bed when he got home from work. And, he smoked. Nancy and I stayed in touch during the boys' lives. Nancy had adopted both as kittens. Stripes was adopted from someone whose cat had a litter and Squeaky was adopted from a shelter a year later. After I adopted them, Stripes was sick on and off. One time I came home and his mouth was hanging open. The vet thought Squeaky bit him (no way) and gave him a shot that paralyzed his rear legs. I rushed him to another vet who told me he would not recover. We put the mattress on the floor so he could crawl into bed. He miraculously recovered. I found a new vet the next time Stripes got sick. He tested both of them and they were positive for feline leukemia! Since Squeaky had never been sick, the vet said he was likely a carrier , carrying the virus in his bone marrow. Stripes lived to age 16. He was sick on and off his entire 7 years with me. Squeaky lived to age 22! He was sick only his last 3 weeks of life (oral cancer). Except: he was sick for 3 days each time he had a feline leukemia vaccination (no vet could ever explain this to me). Of course, they stopped getting FeLV vaccinations after their positive test results. Both boys were big. They weighed 15 lbs. Stripes was a brown tabby and Squeaky was a gray tabby. Squeaky died October 30, 1996. He was my soul mate. We spent many years together ~ just the two of us. May 2007 my 13 year old niece rescued a smoke black tortie. She tested positive for FeLV. The vet literally stopped examing her when the tech told him this. I told him we were not going to euthanize her. We scheduled her for a spay. We scheduled her 3 times and each time we took her to be spayed, her temp was higher than the time before. It topped at 107. She was anemic and had this unexplained temp. We took her to an internal medicine specialist. We discovered she had enlarged spleen but all the other news was good (nothing else evident on ultrasound). Isabella was sick for 3 months. A couple times we thought she was dead when we went to feed her. She had unexplained pain and would have tremors or seizures. We even considered euthanizing her because of her pain. But, instead we found a wonderful vet. She prescribed antibiotics, prednisilone and tramadal (for pain). Isabella thrived. We also use interferon ~ 7 days on and 7 days off. Bellaboo, as her foster and now adoptive mom calls her, never lost her appetite which helped her get better. She has almost doubled her weight. We've had her tested 2 more times and she has been positive each time. Her white blood count is still a little low but she is otherwise happy and healthy and loved! The vet saw her 2 weeks ago. Here is what she said Hey Laurie! Little Isabella looks GORGEOUS!!! What a beautiful kitty she has turned into! I believe the love of her foster mommy, a low stress living environment ~ just Bella and her
Re: breathing issues
Lynne, can you put him in the bathroom with a steamy shower. That is one way to help him breathe. We did this with our asthmatic cat when he had attacks (and before there were inhaled meds for feline asthma). I would discontinue the doxy if it were me and, if he is breathing normally, give him a few days to eat, etc. Is he eating? IF he is in respiratory distress, I would get him to the vet. It could be congestive heart failure which can be treated successfully sometimes. Please don't give up emotionally. Booboo will sense it. I am trying to remember. Wasn't he fine when you first got him and after his neuter? Is he on any meds that could be causing this reaction? Was that one of the side effects in the doxy info I sent? I think we discontinued the doxy for one of our rescues because it was causing problems. thoughts and prayers with you, Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:24 PM Subject: breathing issues We gave BooBoo his dose of Doxy tonight and the same thing happened. He fought and now is gasping for air. My husband is calling Dr. Gill tomorrow and we'll take him in. If he is still like this tomorrow I fear we will have to make a decision. He seems to be in respiratory distress. This cat is so high strung. My son and daughter in law were over tonight and they took turns going up to visit him. He seems to be afraid of everyone and then starts breathing even heavier. Honestly I did not notice this with him when we first got him. It has only been within the week that I've noticed his sides heaving more than they did. I have this horrible feeling that he is going down hill quickly. I so don't want him to suffer and be gasping to breath. I just pray that tomorrow I wake up and he's better. Lynne
Re: Cluster prayers needed
prayers your way. Last year all six of mine were sick at once. turned out Frankie brought home an infection from the vet's clinic. all the vet techs' cats were sick and one was tapping Frankie on the nose as she held him for a blood draw. Mine were vomiting, diarrhea and anorexic. It was a nightmare. Healthy thoughts for you and your babies. L - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:47 PM Subject: Cluster prayers needed Was not sure what to call it,but several of our babies are under the weather and need good thoughts and prayers. Melina is at the clinic with mouth ulcers Orion is having mouth issues Finlay not well Demetri not well Gustav under the weather. The first 3 are at the clinic and I get so worried when they go there,just never know what will happen.Sweet little Melina has just totally stole my heart and I really missed seeing her tonight.I was late getting there because of the crappy weather and just missed her. :( Any prayers and good wishes are greatly needed.Thank you all so much Sherry -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: breathing issues
This sounds encouraging. Keisha's lungs were making a clicking sound when she was in CHF. I still feel that BooBoo is going to be ok. When I couldn't sleep for worrying about Teddy (breathing issues), a kind woman suggested I breathe in Peace and breathe out Negativity. Believe it or not, this did get me through the nights. (Still does, when I need it). I couldn't think other words when I repeated these words with my breaths. God bless, Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:11 PM Subject: Re: breathing issues Thanks Laurie. I am going to stop the Doxy. It is just simply too much trauma for him. His heart and lungs were checked out again last visit and aside from a grade 1 systolic murmur his heart is fine. My 19 year old cat has one of those, I have one of those and they pose little threat. He was fine after the neutering. He is on no meds except the Doxycycline. Bob was just upstairs listening to his heart and lungs with a stethascope and says his lungs are clear and he ate a bit. He's just so weak though. He walks a foot and lays down. His sides are still heaving somewhat but he isn't breathing through his mouth at the moment. He did have a bit of a fever when we saw the vet on Friday but as it is now he is cool to the touch, not like he was a few days ago. If he's ok tomorrow, I will call Dr. Gill but other than the interferon that will be arriving next week, I am not going to put this cat through any more. He just isn't up to it. If all he does is sleep his life away I can deal with that. I really don't think he's having a reaction to the Doxy, just the giving of it. He can't stand being restrained or picked up. He is very loveable on his terms and will lay beside me, but at a safe distance. He just isn't used to people like Bob and I who are probably overbearing when it comes to giving attention and affection. Thanks so much Laurie for your kind thoughts. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: Re: breathing issues Lynne, can you put him in the bathroom with a steamy shower. That is one way to help him breathe. We did this with our asthmatic cat when he had attacks (and before there were inhaled meds for feline asthma). I would discontinue the doxy if it were me and, if he is breathing normally, give him a few days to eat, etc. Is he eating? IF he is in respiratory distress, I would get him to the vet. It could be congestive heart failure which can be treated successfully sometimes. Please don't give up emotionally. Booboo will sense it. I am trying to remember. Wasn't he fine when you first got him and after his neuter? Is he on any meds that could be causing this reaction? Was that one of the side effects in the doxy info I sent? I think we discontinued the doxy for one of our rescues because it was causing problems. thoughts and prayers with you, Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:24 PM Subject: breathing issues We gave BooBoo his dose of Doxy tonight and the same thing happened. He fought and now is gasping for air. My husband is calling Dr. Gill tomorrow and we'll take him in. If he is still like this tomorrow I fear we will have to make a decision. He seems to be in respiratory distress. This cat is so high strung. My son and daughter in law were over tonight and they took turns going up to visit him. He seems to be afraid of everyone and then starts breathing even heavier. Honestly I did not notice this with him when we first got him. It has only been within the week that I've noticed his sides heaving more than they did. I have this horrible feeling that he is going down hill quickly. I so don't want him to suffer and be gasping to breath. I just pray that tomorrow I wake up and he's better. Lynne
Re: breathing issues
I recall Isabella had some breathing issues, too. She was anemic. L - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:28 PM Subject: Re: breathing issues Lynne, He is gasping for breathe because his anemia is likely getting worse, I would ask the Doc to put him on a fairly high dose of prednisolone, get the compounded version, it is a transdermal gel that gets rubbed on the inside of the ear. If his blood work tomorrow shows his HCT is lower, if it is 10 or lower he would need a transfusion to get him by until the pred and or doxy have a chance to kick in. When my Bailey was anemic, we started him on doxy, pred and eventually epogen, he lived 6 months and finally succumbed to pancreatic cancer. We successfully reversed the anemia but we couldn't find the cancer we were sure he had. His symptoms were different than what Boo is experiencing, but his first symptoms was he quit eating and that is how we discovered he was anemic. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
Re: breathing
Prayers Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:10 AM Subject: breathing BooBoo is getting worse. I called the vet this morning and he answered the phone and told us to bring him in. He told me he felt it was the anemia getting worse and sadly this sounds like he's at the end stage of this disease. I have to go to work so I just spent some time with him. He's still gasping for air, mouth breathing but was purring and rolled over to be petted. Bob has to take him to the vet and I've instructed him to tell Dr. Gill to treat this if at all possible. I don't care what he has to do. If there is at all a chance he can recover from this setback I want measures taken. I absolutely hate the fact that I can't be home today. Lynne
Re: BooBoo today
So glad to hear this. The fluid probably explains the breathing problems. I would strongly recommend calling Karen. She may not check the list again today and you may want to visit with her today?? I am happy to hear that Booboo is still with you and exhibiting some of his previous behaviors! L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: BooBoo today Well, BooBoo is still with us for the time being anyway. My husband took him in this morning with the instructions to help him, not destroy him so the vet removed 16 ml of fluid from his chest and sent him home with a prescription for Lasix. Bob said he saw his xray and his organs were obscured by the fluid. The vet said we'd know better by the end of the week how well it is working. He's also scheduled to go back next Tuesday for further aspiration if it is necessary. The vet told my husband he knew I didn't want to let him go but told Bob he was at the end stage. Bob tells me BooBoo has filled the litter box with pee this afternoon after the dose of Lasix so I'm hopeful and his breathing has definitely improved. When they got home Bob took him up to bed, came downstairs and there was BooBoo following behind. He then tore into the stairs before boinging up to bed. This from a little guy who was at death's door early this morning. The vet is going to get back to us with the analysis of the fluid. I don't know what difference that will make. My boss is away tomorrow so I am taking the day off to spend with my boys. I don't want to become too optimistic but today is definitely better than yesterday. Lynne
Re: Holistic Vets
We used this for Isabella for awhile. Not sure what all helped as we did many things. L - Original Message - From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:20 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets You are absolutely correct Jane. Again, it's called Transfer Factor. I am desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are totally correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous vendors. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One? I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list such as this. We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking. I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be made available to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO) Jane On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote: Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more importent. WE know better. What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way. He worries me when he pants when he plays, though. Sue Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended something called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has now told me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've decided that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep comfortable. I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the culture comes back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a really nice guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want to do anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose about the expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just euthanize, which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested in dogs than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and they are causing problems. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Holistic Vets Hi, All - First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I had a cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well afterwards. Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon! I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet. When I questioned my regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had not heard of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a Holistic Vet. I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything for a FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the virus. It is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz through the stress of the trip if it won't do him any good. Sue
Re: Holistic Vets `LYNNE want my TF?
Lynne, is it the Feline Complex Transfer Factor that you ordered? If yes, I have an unopened container that I would be willing to overnight to you if you'll send me yours when you get it. (or pay me for it). Isabella isn't eating it anymore and her mom didn't open the last one I ordered. If you want me to do this, please send your mailing info and I will do my best to get it out today (even though it's -31 windchill, I have to go out anyway). Laurie (Iowa) - Original Message - From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets I just placed an order for it Jane. It's probably the least expensive thing I've had to put money out for lately!! Unfortunately it will take 8 to 10 days to get here, that is if there isn't some crap problem at the border. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Transfer Factor is well known to the list Lynne. Many people are using it with great results. Karen can talk about it openly on the list. It is a great product. Best Jane On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Lynne wrote: You are absolutely correct Jane. Again, it's called Transfer Factor. I am desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are totally correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous vendors. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One? I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list such as this. We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking. I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be made available to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO) Jane On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote: Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more importent. WE know better. What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way. He worries me when he pants when he plays, though. Sue Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended something called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has now told me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've decided that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep comfortable. I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the culture comes back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a really nice guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want to do anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose about the expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just euthanize, which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested in dogs than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and they are causing problems. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Holistic Vets Hi, All - First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I had a cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well afterwards. Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon! I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet. When I questioned my regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had not heard of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a Holistic Vet. I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything for a FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the virus. It is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz through the stress of the trip if it won't do him any good. Sue
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Where I live it is abuse to fail to provide medical care for a sick or injured animal. You might see if there is any recourse down that avenue. L - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:13 AM Subject: RE: Holistic Vets I can relate to everything you say Lynne. You're doing everything in your power to help BooBoo, but you're not going to let him suffer. It's beyond me why so many vets can't think beyond euthanasia the second a cat tests FeLV pos. It makes me want to say to them, so I take it you'd recommend euthanasia for yourself if you were diagnosed with a terminal disease? Yup, that's my vindictive streak! I don't blame you one bit for emailing BooBoo's former family. I hope they do take a lesson from it. But, from everything you've said about them they are not good people and I hate to think of any animal being in their care. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Thank you Jane. I think of all our members and what they are experiencing as well. I think it makes us all better people and caregivers. Honestly I think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed that we consider euthanasia. It would have been far harder on me if I had not given him a fighting chance. I still will not let him suffer and if there is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge. My husband has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with him because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that they should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of their neglect/stupidity. So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's been through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the nasty details including the financial impact. I'm not as kind as my husband is and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me. I ended my email by saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you won't have to experience this agony. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Lynne I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the both of you. He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love feels like. Take care of yourself. Jane On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote: Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended something called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has now told me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've decided that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep comfortable. I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the culture comes back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a really nice guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want to do anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose about the expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just euthanize, which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested in dogs than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and they are causing problems. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Holistic Vets Hi, All - First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I had a cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well afterwards. Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon! I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet. When I questioned my regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had not heard of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a Holistic Vet. I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything for a FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the virus. It is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz through the stress of the trip if it won't do him any good. Sue _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the
Re: Holistic Vets `LYNNE want my TF?
wow. ok. L - Original Message - From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:52 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets `LYNNE want my TF? No Laurie, it is the Transfer Factor Plus Advance for humans. They won't ship any animal products to Canada. Thank you for your kind offer but if it got checked at the border they would just toss it out. I've had that happen. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets `LYNNE want my TF? Lynne, is it the Feline Complex Transfer Factor that you ordered? If yes, I have an unopened container that I would be willing to overnight to you if you'll send me yours when you get it. (or pay me for it). Isabella isn't eating it anymore and her mom didn't open the last one I ordered. If you want me to do this, please send your mailing info and I will do my best to get it out today (even though it's -31 windchill, I have to go out anyway). Laurie (Iowa) - Original Message - From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets I just placed an order for it Jane. It's probably the least expensive thing I've had to put money out for lately!! Unfortunately it will take 8 to 10 days to get here, that is if there isn't some crap problem at the border. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Transfer Factor is well known to the list Lynne. Many people are using it with great results. Karen can talk about it openly on the list. It is a great product. Best Jane On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Lynne wrote: You are absolutely correct Jane. Again, it's called Transfer Factor. I am desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are totally correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous vendors. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One? I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list such as this. We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking. I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be made available to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO) Jane On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote: Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more importent. WE know better. What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way. He worries me when he pants when he plays, though. Sue Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended something called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has now told me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've decided that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep comfortable. I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the culture comes back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a really nice guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want to do anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose about the expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just euthanize, which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested in dogs than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and they are causing problems. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Holistic Vets Hi, All - First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I had a cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well afterwards. Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon! I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet. When I questioned my regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had not heard of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a Holistic Vet
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Lynne, I understand. I have the ashes of Angel (I did not name her), a gorgeoue white deaf kitty I took to the vet specialty college to have biopsies and a feeding tube placed when her previous owner abandoned her because she was sick. Her ashes are with my Teddy and Keisha and a buck (long story) that I tried to help after someone shot him. The things we do out of love for these wonderful creatures! L - Original Message - From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Kerry, when the vet first told us of his prognosis and offered euthanization before we bonded too much with him, I told him, I don't believe in putting individuals suffering with the AIDS virus down so why would I want to do this to a seemingly well animal. He thought that was pretty funny and then agreed to do what we could to treat problems as they arise. I suppose the majority of people who discover this about their pets do imagine the worse and want to get over it quickly. I really like this vet on a personal level. He seems very compassionate but like I told my husband last night, everything we've done so far has come from us, not him. I am not a vet, I shouldn't have to suggest blood work, antibiotics, lasix and fluid aspiration. If I hadn't joined this group, BooBoo would be in the ground right now. And yes, I don't care how frozen the ground is, or what kind of contageous disease he has, he will be buried next to my dearly beloved Chuck in a garden I have with forget-me-not and bleeding heart flowers in it. Lynne - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:13 AM Subject: RE: Holistic Vets I can relate to everything you say Lynne. You're doing everything in your power to help BooBoo, but you're not going to let him suffer. It's beyond me why so many vets can't think beyond euthanasia the second a cat tests FeLV pos. It makes me want to say to them, so I take it you'd recommend euthanasia for yourself if you were diagnosed with a terminal disease? Yup, that's my vindictive streak! I don't blame you one bit for emailing BooBoo's former family. I hope they do take a lesson from it. But, from everything you've said about them they are not good people and I hate to think of any animal being in their care. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Thank you Jane. I think of all our members and what they are experiencing as well. I think it makes us all better people and caregivers. Honestly I think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed that we consider euthanasia. It would have been far harder on me if I had not given him a fighting chance. I still will not let him suffer and if there is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge. My husband has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with him because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that they should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of their neglect/stupidity. So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's been through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the nasty details including the financial impact. I'm not as kind as my husband is and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me. I ended my email by saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you won't have to experience this agony. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Lynne I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the both of you. He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love feels like. Take care of yourself. Jane On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote: Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended something called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has now told me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've decided that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep comfortable. I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the culture comes back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a really nice guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want to do anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose about the expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like something that has not
Re: Isabella update
thanks! we sure hope so! - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:00 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update As long as she's doing well she could be around for quite a while. My positive is 9 years old now and still doing fine. tonya laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Isabella's blood work came back mostly good. Her white blood count is below normal~ around where it was last summer. That was disappointing. Her FELV test from yesterday came back positive (this is her third positive test). Disappointing but not surprising. Her vet is having us stop giving the pain med and wants to reduce the pred if things go well with discontinuing the tramadal. All in all her vet is pleased with her current health and appearance. Laurie -
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Thank-you for this encouraging and HAPPY update! God bless us all! Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: my baby I have to tell you guys about BooBoo's new regime. It involves taking him out in the patio twice a day for fresh air and nature. He's really enjoying it. He watches and listens to the birds for about 10 to 15 minutes at a time. I think it does him a world of good. Today he walked into the living room after his outdoor adventure, which is unusual, and was waving his tail in Lennie's face who was sleeping on the sofa. This woke Len up who just stared at him. Then Bob was feeding Len some silly cat treats and BooBoo who usually cowers from him, got up marched right over to Len and hissed at him. Totally out of character. Lennie who in his day would lay ruin to any animal who entered his yard just left and went back to bed. On the way to the stairs Boo tore the hell out of the bottom stair carpet and boinged upstairs. I had brought his food up but he literally threw himself down in front of it, put his head between his paws and sulked until Bob came up and encouraged him to eat. It's getting ridiculous. He wants both of us to feed him and stay with him til he's done. So far the Lasix seems to be keeping the fluid under control and he's breathing normally. Hope you all have a wonderful weekend. Lynne
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well said, Marylyn. - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 9:24 PM Subject: Re: coughing Please remember that cats normally sleep around 75% of the time. We are supposed to sleep over 30%. He may just be doing what cats do. Please don't read too much into things. It will rob you of the pleasure of his company. I learned the hard way. On Feb 22, 2008, at 8:05 PM, Lynne wrote: Thanks Sally. From what I read on those sites, BooBoo's situation sounds more chronic than acute. He has a bit of runny nose, snorts when he eats and occasionally sneezes. It seems to be more of a nuisance than a problem. I've told the vet about it but he kind of dismissed it. Boo has had 2 really good days. His breathing is pretty much normal now and he went out for fresh air twice today. He was being all sweet and purring tonight. I'm afraid Bob and I are really spoiling him. We get our exercise by running upstairs every half hour or so to tell him what a good boy he is. He's very tired though and sleeps most of the time. We don't expect a lot from him but he seems pretty content. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: Re: coughing Hi Lynne It is one of several viruses that cause most kitty colds/flu it is : Feline rhinotracheitis virus (feline herpesvirus type 1 or FHV-1) causes acute respiratory illness known as rhinotracheitis (or feline herpesvirus infection). The virus affects domestic and wild cats worldwide. The following website gives more information http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/rhinotracheitis/ They can test for it. The other common virus is FCV feline calicivirus http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/calicivirus/index.shtml Hope this helps. I assume Junior has the 1st one because of the eye infection he had a year ago is classic symptom. The FCV causes mouth ulcers. Junior does not get these. How is BooBoo doing? Sally On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you referring to, the one that is sexually transmitted or the one that causes cold sores. I just noticed today that BooBoo seems to have a bit of a discharge from his eyes, nothing I would personally be alarmed about, kind of like any other animal that gets a bit of gunk in his eyes. We've started him back on his Doxycycline because the breathing issue seems to have settled. My vet didn't bother to culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we are dealing with here. Like I've said, I really like this vet on a personal level but he is so determined that Boo is going to die, TODAY, that in my opinion he isn't being conscientious enough. Every time we talk to him or see him, he says the same thing, you understand that this is the end stage and he doesn't really seem to want to save him. Gosh, even this very cynical doctor in our building at work asked me about him yesterday and told me to offer as much paliative care as is reasonable before euthanizing him. This doc is so funny. He took time off work to go and assist in the spaying of his dog along with his vet. I don't know if you have access to Recovery food but it is the only thing our BooBoo will eat and he eats a good amount of it. The main ingredient is chicken liver and fish oil. I tried giving him regular chicken liver but he turned his nose up at it. It's 2 bucks a can. I think it's a good deal though because a little seems to fill him up. Our other pig cat will eat anything you put in front of him, except this, fortunately. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:33 PM Subject: Re: coughing This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only assume it slows the herpes virus down. A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is now eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He was having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His fur was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report he is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have se veral porkers in the house, I was hoping this
Re: another 75 cc
Bob sounds like a wonderful husband for an animal lover/rescuer! Lucky BooBoo to have you both...and THREE docs! I almost hate to ask this...could this be FIP? Has anyone mentioned that? My friend's cat had FIP and she had to take him about once a week to have his lungs drained. Pls keep us posted. The good news is he does not seem to be in distress or pain. That is a blessing in this otherwise difficult time. Prayers continuing. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: another 75 cc Well we're home again. BooBoo had another 75ccs taken out of his lungs today. Not only did his regular vet come in to see him, a third vet was there. BooBoo has become quite the celebrity. They're now sending a sample for culturing and cytology to see if there are any cancer cells present. Nothing is going well for us. However, when he got home he ate a big lunch and we put him to bed with the window open for fresh air and he was purring like crazy. He's now on another antibiotic and will continue on the lasix for another week. Both the vets kissed him on top of his little head before we left. This third vet was very kind, the other two are as well but this one told us lets see what we're dealing with when the cytology report comes back and we'll go from there. He didn't dismiss the interferon but said we're basically doing palliative care here and our goal is to keep him comfortable. The fluid aspiration seems to help but it will continue. All three of these vets are East Indian and lovely caring men but I hate to admit that when they are giving details of what is going on I have a bit of a problem with the accents. He said something about protein spilling and I couldn't understand the rest. Of course I am always kind of overwhelmed with sadness I don't grasp the whole picture. On an up side, Bob mentioned on the way home that he doesn't even care about the money part of this. He thinks these 3 vets are becoming more educated in the care of these animals and he doesn't mind at all paying for something that may benefit another cat in the future. I guess that's a good thing too. Lynne
Re: another 75 cc
ok. I'd just recommend handwashing when leaving BooBoo. I hope it isn't FIP. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 4:16 PM Subject: Re: another 75 cc I found an article about FIP. Yep, it sounds like he has that too. At this point Laurie I doubt it matters. The vet said we are giving him palliative care until we can do no more to help him. The other 19 year old and BooBoo have no contact with one another. Lennie lives downstairs and has no desire anymore to go upstairs and BooBoo lives upstairs by choice. So I'm not concerned about him being contageous no matter what he has. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 4:59 PM Subject: Re: another 75 cc If FIP, it can be contagious. I'd ask about it. He may not have other consistent symptoms. Being a nurse is exhausting...even more so when you love the patient. - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:49 PM Subject: Re: another 75 cc Yes Laurie, Bob is a wonderful guy. He's a pretty easy going person but has shed tears over this too. I don't even know about FIP. All I know is they did a blood test first time they saw him and said he was positive for feline leukemia. I'll read up on it. The vets told us this morning that he is a very brave little guy. He doesn't even flinch at the vets. They can do anything they want to him and he doesn't fight them, just me when it comes to giving pills. We were given a demonstration of how to do it and the vet had us give him his antibiotic. Nothin to it. Apparently he is not suffering. I took him upstairs when we got home and he ran downstairs after us wanting to eat down here, then he did his stair scratching thing and went back up, like nothing happened today. I wish some of our whiney hypochondriac patients could take a lesson from him. I'm in a miserable mood today. I shouldn't have said that but I do mean it. Funny thing is the draining tprocedure is the cheapest part of the treatment. I could live with that. Unfortunately we needed the drugs today and got them there. Otherwise I can get this stuff for peanuts at the pharmacy across the hall at work. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: another 75 cc Bob sounds like a wonderful husband for an animal lover/rescuer! Lucky BooBoo to have you both...and THREE docs! I almost hate to ask this...could this be FIP? Has anyone mentioned that? My friend's cat had FIP and she had to take him about once a week to have his lungs drained. Pls keep us posted. The good news is he does not seem to be in distress or pain. That is a blessing in this otherwise difficult time. Prayers continuing. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: another 75 cc Well we're home again. BooBoo had another 75ccs taken out of his lungs today. Not only did his regular vet come in to see him, a third vet was there. BooBoo has become quite the celebrity. They're now sending a sample for culturing and cytology to see if there are any cancer cells present. Nothing is going well for us. However, when he got home he ate a big lunch and we put him to bed with the window open for fresh air and he was purring like crazy. He's now on another antibiotic and will continue on the lasix for another week. Both the vets kissed him on top of his little head before we left. This third vet was very kind, the other two are as well but this one told us lets see what we're dealing with when the cytology report comes back and we'll go from there. He didn't dismiss the interferon but said we're basically doing palliative care here and our goal is to keep him comfortable. The fluid aspiration seems to help but it will continue. All three of these vets are East Indian and lovely caring men but I hate to admit that when they are giving details of what is going on I have a bit of a problem with the accents. He said something about protein spilling and I couldn't understand the rest. Of course I am always kind of overwhelmed with sadness I don't grasp the whole picture. On an up side, Bob mentioned on the way home that he doesn't even care about the money part of this. He thinks these 3 vets are becoming more educated in the care of these animals and he doesn't mind at all paying for something that may benefit another cat in the future. I guess that's a good thing too. Lynne
Re: update: Athena
I'd be as worried about Athena catching something from the FeLV negative cat as the negative cat getting FeLV. My understanding is the virus is shed via body fluids ~ saliva, nasal discharge, etc. A friend had a negative cat living with a group of positives for 5 or 6 years and he never got sick (and tested negative for FeLV after that time ~ she mistakenly thought he tested positive in the beginning or he was a false positive). SO, if you get another kitty who is not positive, you might want to make sure that kitty is healthy when you bring it home. Also, it is important that they get along so Athena isn't stressed out. You know, we really have no guarantees. I had 2 FeLv positive cats who lived very long lives ~ 16 and 22 years. Squeaky was a carrier. He was never sick. Stripes was sick on and off. I was devastated when they died. So, I adopted 3 (unrelated) cats from the shelter at once. Insurance, you know. Keisha was age unknown and the other 2 were about 6 months. Teddy, one of the young ones died 6 years later, of cancer. He got sick with IBD and asthma within the first year after I adopted him and was sick his entire life. Coco, the other young'un is still with me but has had 2 instances where I nearly lost her. Frankie (a rescued feral kitten with asthma) lost most of his vision a year ago at age 9 and was diagnosed with pancreatitis which it seems he has conquered. Keisha died last summer, completely unexpectedly, of congestive heart failure. I guess I am giving examples of how we just never know. With my newest group (which grew to 7), I was sure Keihsa would die first because she was oldestnot so. If it were me, I'd probably adopt another FeLV or no one. But that is just me and by no means the right answer! Athena may never have a symptom. Squeaky didn't. He outlived Stripes by another 7 years. I didn't adopt another cat only because he was already older when Stripes died and he was so upset when Stripes died. I never considered Squeaky sick since he never was. Take care of yourselves...let your heart lead you. Laurie - Original Message - From: Beth Gouldin To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:06 PM Subject: update: Athena Hi all So Athena just re-tested on ELISA a weak positive. This is 9 weeks from the first testing that we did when we lost Orion to FeLV. I guess I'm just disheartened... I had REALLY hoped (for her sake) that she would be negative - she seems so healthy...no major problems or anything... and we really wanted to get another cat for a companion for her. My husband and I have talked and we just can't bring closure to ourselves to intentionally get another FeLV + cat... which means pretty much she's gonna stay a single cat. I don't know, in my mind it just seems that it would be a perpetually bleak cycle (and I know that it's not true simply because of the joy they bring..but this is my bummed out- ness coming through) to have 'sick' cats that can just die any time. Do any of you have experiences bringing in another cat? Do you always elect to get another FeLV +? How do kittens generally fare? Our vet suggested bringing in a FeLV negative vaccinated adult...but I don't want even the SLIGHTEST risk of exposing another cat to this. Any feedback would help me out...I'm so frustrated with this whole thing. Thanks for listening :} -- Beth Gouldin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 940.395.5393 God Bless!!!
Re: more bad news
I am so sorry. I was afraid it was FIP. My friend did this for her kitty (lung drain). He went along for awhile. His littermate never got FIP. Pls also check into animal cruelty laws to see if they have violated any of those. Wonder if the other cats are sick, too. REMEMBER~ there is a reason you came to love BooBoo and a reason he came to you. This bond you have from caring for him will make losing him harder but thank goodness he's not outside suffering. You and Bob are his earth angels, Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 2:45 PM Subject: more bad news Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does. BooBoo's cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia. There was no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him. There was no bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are leaky. The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it is all about quality of life. He will continue to drain his lungs every week to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid. If he becomes worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to do the obvious. We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at the moment. The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested positive for FIP but not leukemia. He said BooBoo has been hit with a double blow and unfortunately the end is near. I don't know if the Factor stuff will make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face the inevitable. My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being healthy and vaccinated. We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked. I'm seriously considering consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over. Lynne
Re: more bad news
right right. I forgot this. Ask your vet? - Original Message - From: Rosenfeldt, Diane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:27 PM Subject: RE: more bad news Lynne, I know how sad and disheartened you are, but please be aware, as Kelley says, that all FIP tests are not created equal. Most of the tests only show the *presence* of the coronavirus, which actually is present in huge numbers of cats without ever turning into FIP. It has to mutate to become FIP and make them ill, and it usually only happens in cats that are genetically predisposed for this mutation. I'm not saying that BooBoo doesn't have FIP, just that unless the specific test Kelley mentions is performed, the diagnosis can be inaccurate. The general wisdom is that FIP can only really be accurately diagnosed by necropsy. That being said, I'm so sorry you're going through this. Hugs to both of you and BooBoo. You're doing a great job. Diane R. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: more bad news I don't know Kelly. He sent it off to a lab and specifically tested for it along with culturing the fluid. I have to assume if he tested positive and all the symptoms he has are those of an infected animal that he has it. Don't I wish there could have been an error but I'm at the point where I have to accept where this is going. I just want to keep him unstressed and comfortable. Unless there is some miracle drug that can repair all his blood vessels I'm screwed. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:55 PM Subject: Re: more bad news Wait, wait. What test did the vet use to test for FIP? There *is* an FIP test which is fairly accurate, but most vets don't even know about it. It is called Rivalta's test: This is a test with which few veterinarians are familiar but it can be very helpful in the diagnosis of FIP. A test tube is filled with distilled water and one drop of 98% acetic acid is added. To this mixture one drop of effusion is added. If the drop dissipates, the test is negative. If the drop retains its shape, the test is positive. A negative Rivalta's test is 97% accurate in ruling out FIP. A positive test is 86% accurate in ruling in FIP. Source: http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html If you are talking about a titer test - almost all cats will test positive for coronavirus titers. On 2/27/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does. BooBoo's cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia. There was no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him. There was no bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are leaky. The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it is all about quality of life. He will continue to drain his lungs every week to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid. If he becomes worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to do the obvious. We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at the moment. The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested positive for FIP but not leukemia. He said BooBoo has been hit with a double blow and unfortunately the end is near. I don't know if the Factor stuff will make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face the inevitable. My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being healthy and vaccinated. We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked. I'm seriously considering consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over. Lynne -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the
Re: l-lysine or viralys
Hello. I bought a pill crusher and crushed the tablets. I gave 1/2 in AM sprinkled on small amount of canned food (to make sure they get the entire dose) and 1/2 in PM ~ same way. They are 500 mg tablets. Or you can double the dose, too. I use Nature Made. The pill crusher I have has a place to store the rest of the powder from the pill. I got both at Walgreens. OR you can by Viralys (from a vet or online) which is a flavored powder for kittys and they love the taste. L-lysine is tasteless so using regular l-lysine is not a taste issue. Good luck. It works miracles here! Laurie - Original Message - From: Rosenfeldt, Diane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:36 AM Subject: RE: l-lysine Get it from a nutrition place like GNC, and make sure you get the kind without additives. Most of the stuff you get at drug stores will have -- I can't remember the name of the stuff, but it's bad for cats -- added to it. Diane R. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beth Gouldin Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: l-lysine I've been looking into l-lysine to start giving to Athena - from what I've read, it would help. She's periodically got slightly runny eyes (like just eye boogers, nothing more) that the vet says could be allergy related but some sites I have read said if it clears up with the l-lysine it's something else. If we are even considering bringing another cat into the household I want o have her as healthy as physically possible. Anyone use l-lysine and what form do you use? I've seen tablets (which I would HATE to have to administer) and powder forms... also, any specific type/brand to go for that is OK for felines ? Generally, what other supplements/therapies do you give consistently to non-symptomatic felv+ cats? -- Beth Gouldin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 940.395.5393 God Bless!!! This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: Anika Please add to the CLS
So sorry for this loss. So glad Anika found comfort in your boyfriends' arms her last night. Godspeed little Anika. L - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 5:32 PM Subject: Anika Please add to the CLS I will try to type this through tears.We lost beautiful feisty Anika yesterday to this terrible disease.She was a fluffy gray girl.Thursday night my boyfriend and I were at Sids and we read that she wasnt feeling good in the log book,so me and one of the other volunteers were trying to get her to come out from under a cabinet and she used to always come to me.Well I started to do my duties around there.A while later I glanced back into the room where she was and there on the couch was Anika all curled up in my boyfriends arms.I asked him if he picked her up and he said no she just ran over here and cuddled up with him.They both took a hour nap together.I had really bad feelings that night that she would be leaving us soon.So before I even opened the e-mail about her I cried,cause I knew what I was going to read. I will miss that beautiful beautiful girl. :( Sorry for rambling on,just wanted to share my last thoughts of her.She looked so sweet cuddled up with my guy. Very saddened, Sherry -- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
Re: coughing, sneezing allergies
yes. or asthma (which can be manifestation of allergies). - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: Re: coughing, sneezing allergies I have wondered if Sneaker's sneezing/breathing problems could be allergy related. The vet seems to think it's herpes virus... I have started adding lysine to his food. t Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only assume it slows the herpes virus down. A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is now eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He was having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His fur was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report he is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have several porkers in the house, I was hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any difference other than the catfood bill going up. I need to weigh one of them to see. A very nasty day here in VA. Hope everyone is warm. Sally On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:29 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker. His lungs are clear. He has had an upper resp. infection for weeks now, months really. they did a culture and found he had a staph infection, but that part is cleared up. He is on his 4th round of antibiotics. the vet thinks it's viral and could be herpes. He hasn't been a ton of help. If anyone has any ideas I would love to hear them. tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laurie, This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to my vet. She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his sinuses. He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma without coughing. These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: BooBoo left us
Lynne, I am so sorry you tried everything to help BooBoo. I feel he must have come to you because you would care for him in his last weeks. He knew he could count on you. I can't believe how quickly he went downhill. Devastating. No other word comes ot mind. Let your other kitty comfort you. He can and he will. My experience is my life is changed by my losses. You will be happy again but it will be different for youlove changes us. I am holding you and Bob in my heart. My Squeaky, Stripes, Teddy and Keisha are gathered around your baby boy. They are all healthy now and I believe we will meet again when we cross over. God bless you and Bob and Booboo and the vets who gave it everything. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 9:04 PM Subject: BooBoo left us We lost our precious baby tonight. He developed difficulty breathing and we rushed him to the emergency clinic. He was dehydrated and had just had his lungs aspirated Friday. The vet recently experienced the same situation with his Himilayan, co-incidentally, though I sometimes think they make stuff up to identify with your pain. I held his little face in my hand and petted him as did Bob and he slipped away almost immediately. I don't think I've cried this much in my life, Bob too. At this moment I can't imagine ever being happy again. Sounds stupid but BooBoo conveyed to me this evening it was time to go and he thanked us. He was so very weak he could hardly walk but he was still purring as we pet him even with the damn catheter in. We know this was best for him but the worst for us. Thank you all for being so very supportive. Lynne
Re: Eye Problems
Wintson will wink one or both eyes at times (it hasn't happened for a long time, knock on wood) and his eyes would get red rimmed. This was usually associated with a stressful event (eg vet visit). L-lysine always does the trick. He also has acne and I give L-lysine when that occurs. L - Original Message - From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Eye Problems Hi Susan, When it comes to eyes, I can't swear enough by Lysine. If your kitty is over a year old, you can give her 500 mg 2x a day of the Lysine (pure/no additives) mixed into her wet food until it's completely healed. You can get it at a health food store. My Smookie could not get rid of the ulcer in her eye no matter what the vet gave her (like 3 or 4 different meds! and she had already lost one eye before we adopted her, so it was serious!!!), but the lysine knocked out that ulcer within 10 days or so. It's great stuff for viruses! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Ang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2008 2:07:16 PM Subject: Eye Problems I had to take Autumn to the vet today. Yesterday I noticed that she would sit with her right eye squinched shut. I tried to wash it and she got mad and bit. I tried to give her overnight to resolve it, but this morning she barely opened it. She kept sitting with her eyes closed or in a loaf position. She wasn't playing or moving much. I noticed her pupil wasn't dilating like the left eye. I made the decision to get her in to the vet ASAP this morning. They didn't see any lesions, but her eye pressure was 28. For comparison her good eye was 14. They gave us a topical anti-inflammatory. Her vet said that the inflammation is behind the eye and they don't know what is causing it - possibly she could have given herself a black eye somehow. The other option is that this is FELV related. Anyone had something similar? Her eye is now open because of the meds. She actually played a bit. I worry about my little bug. ~Susan A -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: Mr. Kennedy
Prayers for Mr. Kennedy, Marley and Melina. L - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 9:52 PM Subject: Mr. Kennedy Hi all could you please add Mr. Kennedy to your prayers.He has been battling all kinds of ailments ever since he came into the sanctuary.He is a sweet old boy that is just as cute as can be.He is a handsome black and white guy.he is in pretty bad shape and Dr. Jen took him home to be able to keep a close eye on him.But it does not look good.any good thoughts would be appreciated. Also,keep beautiful Marley and Melina in your prayers too. Thank you so much, Sherry -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: Herpes virus
Lynne, there is a great herpes yahoo group that I belong to. You might look into it. My vet thinks 2 of my cats may have this virus. Stress causes it to flare. It can cause eye (and mouth?) problems. I give L-lysine twice a day during a flare up. I have never had to do more than that with mine whose symtoms are minor. Winston occasionally (about once a year) gets an unexplained high fever and quits eating. My vet thinks it's related to the herpes. He recovers with anti-biotics. I don't think herpes is a big deal in most cats. I do think it can be spread, though if my 2 have it the other 5 didn't get it. Also, my vet didn't warn me about contagion when he told me he thought Lucy may have herpes (cat number 5) or when he told me he thought Winston had it (cat number 7). Mine have not been tested for it so can't say for certain that they have this. Lucy's eyes run with clear tears when she is stressed and Winston winks his eyes and they get red rimmed when he is stressed. You might ask the shelter/vet what they will do to reduce her stress during and after her spay. Getting her out of the shelter is a GREAT way to reduce her stress! Congrats if you adopt her! Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: Herpes virus Could any of you give me some first hand info and experience with the herpes virus in cats. There is this young cat I saw a picture of who is in a rescue shelter at the moment . The poor little thing was a total wreck when this woman took her in and she is now in the process of getting her eyes cleaned up. They look a whole lot better than they did before this woman got hold of her. Apparently the vet who is taking care of the cat said her eyes would have to be cleaned at least twice a day and when and if she has flareups the appropriate treatment will have to be given. She is being spayed very shortly and is going to be up for adoption fairly soon. I said I would take her probably because she reminded me a lot of BooBoo. She's all white and from the picture looks like she may have persian in her. She has that same flat little face that Boo did. Would I be getting myself into something like I just went through with Boo or is there more hope for these animals. This kitty has tested negative for feline leukemia. I haven't even told my husband yet. I just blurted out that I would take her. I don't even know if I'll be chosen anyway. Lynne
Re: Herpes virus - L-lysine
I use Viralys and sprinkle it on a small amount of cannedfood so I am sure they get it all.Or crush a pill and sprinkle, again, on a small amount (Tablespoon) of canned food. Mine aren't great about being syringed. L-lysine is tasteless and since they eat canned, this is easing dosing for me (also I have 5 cats currently, so easier with those numbers). The Yahoo herpes group has suggestions about dosing, etc. L -
Re: Herpes virus--ferals
yes - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 10:31 PM Subject: Re: Herpes virus--ferals Isn't lysine odorless and tasteless? I've got to admit to never having tasted it. On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sort of on this subject...there is a feral who eats/hangs out at my mother's. I suspect it has herpes. There is no real way for me to be sure. This cat, and most of the others who hang out there cannot be touched. Does anyone have any ideas about what can be added to food that might help? There is no other way to get meds/suppements into them and they are very suspicious of anything added to the food...even smelly fishy food. Lynne, follow your heart. Booboo strengthen and enlarged it. You must decide what to do with it. On Mar 8, 2008, at 3:59 PM, laurieskatz wrote: Lynne, there is a great herpes yahoo group that I belong to. You might look into it. My vet thinks 2 of my cats may have this virus. Stress causes it to flare. It can cause eye (and mouth?) problems. I give L-lysine twice a day during a flare up. I have never had to do more than that with mine whose symtoms are minor. Winston occasionally (about once a year) gets an unexplained high fever and quits eating. My vet thinks it's related to the herpes. He recovers with anti-biotics. I don't think herpes is a big deal in most cats. I do think it can be spread, though if my 2 have it the other 5 didn't get it. Also, my vet didn't warn me about contagion when he told me he thought Lucy may have herpes (cat number 5) or when he told me he thought Winston had it (cat number 7). Mine have not been tested for it so can't say for certain that they have this. Lucy's eyes run with clear tears when she is stressed and Winston winks his eyes and they get red rimmed when he is stressed. You might ask the shelter/vet what they will do to reduce her stress during and after her spay. Getting her out of the shelter is a GREAT way to reduce her stress! Congrats if you adopt her! Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: Herpes virus Could any of you give me some first hand info and experience with the herpes virus in cats. There is this young cat I saw a picture of who is in a rescue shelter at the moment . The poor little thing was a total wreck when this woman took her in and she is now in the process of getting her eyes cleaned up. They look a whole lot better than they did before this woman got hold of her. Apparently the vet who is taking care of the cat said her eyes would have to be cleaned at least twice a day and when and if she has flareups the appropriate treatment will have to be given. She is being spayed very shortly and is going to be up for adoption fairly soon. I said I would take her probably because she reminded me a lot of BooBoo. She's all white and from the picture looks like she may have persian in her. She has that same flat little face that Boo did. Would I be getting myself into something like I just went through with Boo or is there more hope for these animals. This kitty has tested negative for feline leukemia. I haven't even told my husband yet. I just blurted out that I would take her. I don't even know if I'll be chosen anyway. Lynne -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties
Re: Herpes virus--ferals
Crush L-lysine tablets (500mg) and sprinkle the powder on top of, or mix the powder into, a little bit of canned food (or more canned food if that is more convenient). I add to a small amount to my cats' food to make sure they get it all but a feral will likely eat all the food anyway. Maintenance dose is 250 mg two times a day (total of 500 mg in a day). If you see symptoms, many people increase that to 500mg two times a day (total of 1000 mg). I bought a pill crusher from Walgreens. I can crush the pill and sprinkle 1/2 in AM, store the rest of the powder in the crusher and use the rest of the crushed pill at dinner time. Works slick. Takes less than a minute to crush! L On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sort of on this subject...there is a feral who eats/hangs out at my mother's. I suspect it has herpes. There is no real way for me to be sure. This cat, and most of the others who hang out there cannot be touched. Does anyone have any ideas about what can be added to food that might help? There is no other way to get meds/suppements into them and they are very suspicious of anything added to the food...even smelly fishy food. Lynne, follow your heart. Booboo strengthen and enlarged it. You must decide what to do with it. On Mar 8, 2008, at 3:59 PM, laurieskatz wrote: Lynne, there is a great herpes yahoo group that I belong to. You might look into it. My vet thinks 2 of my cats may have this virus. Stress causes it to flare. It can cause eye (and mouth?) problems. I give L-lysine twice a day during a flare up. I have never had to do more than that with mine whose symtoms are minor. Winston occasionally (about once a year) gets an unexplained high fever and quits eating. My vet thinks it's related to the herpes. He recovers with anti-biotics. I don't think herpes is a big deal in most cats. I do think it can be spread, though if my 2 have it the other 5 didn't get it. Also, my vet didn't warn me about contagion when he told me he thought Lucy may have herpes (cat number 5) or when he told me he thought Winston had it (cat number 7). Mine have not been tested for it so can't say for certain that they have this. Lucy's eyes run with clear tears when she is stressed and Winston winks his eyes and they get red rimmed when he is stressed. You might ask the shelter/vet what they will do to reduce her stress during and after her spay. Getting her out of the shelter is a GREAT way to reduce her stress! Congrats if you adopt her! Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: Herpes virus Could any of you give me some first hand info and experience with the herpes virus in cats. There is this young cat I saw a picture of who is in a rescue shelter at the moment . The poor little thing was a total wreck when this woman took her in and she is now in the process of getting her eyes cleaned up. They look a whole lot better than they did before this woman got hold of her. Apparently the vet who is taking care of the cat said her eyes would have to be cleaned at least twice a day and when and if she has flareups the appropriate treatment will have to be given. She is being spayed very shortly and is going to be up for adoption fairly soon. I said I would take her probably because she reminded me a lot of BooBoo. She's all white and from the picture looks like she may have persian in her. She has that same flat little face that Boo did. Would I be getting myself into something like I just went through with Boo or is there more hope for these animals. This kitty has tested negative for feline leukemia. I haven't even told my husband yet. I just blurted out that I would take her. I don't even know if I'll be chosen anyway. Lynne -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties
Re: lysine
yahoo feline herpes group recommends 500mg per day as maintenance for herpes cat and 1000 mg per day if symptomatic. lots of good info there. - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 7:44 PM Subject: lysine my new vet told me 750 per cat per day for lysine??? t MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you can get a pound of the powdered form, from NOW, which is a well-respected brand of health-store products for $7.99, on line. no mess, no fuss--even at retail in a store, it's $14.99/lb. that works out to something like 456 doses. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Missy says - YUCK - I do not like Viralys! Mommy, please don't make me eat it! On 2/28/08, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. I bought a pill crusher and crushed the tablets. I gave 1/2 in AM sprinkled on small amount of canned food (to make sure they get the entire dose) and 1/2 in PM ~ same way. They are 500 mg tablets. Or you can double the dose, too. I use Nature Made. The pill crusher I have has a place to store the rest of the powder from the pill. I got both at Walgreens. OR you can by Viralys (from a vet or online) which is a flavored powder for kittys and they love the taste. L-lysine is tasteless so using regular l-lysine is not a taste issue. Good luck. It works miracles here! Laurie - Original Message - From: Rosenfeldt, Diane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:36 AM Subject: RE: l-lysine Get it from a nutrition place like GNC, and make sure you get the kind without additives. Most of the stuff you get at drug stores will have -- I can't remember the name of the stuff, but it's bad for cats -- added to it. Diane R. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beth Gouldin Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: l-lysine I've been looking into l-lysine to start giving to Athena - from what I've read, it would help. She's periodically got slightly runny eyes (like just eye boogers, nothing more) that the vet says could be allergy related but some sites I have read said if it clears up with the l-lysine it's something else. If we are even considering bringing another cat into the household I want o have her as healthy as physically possible. Anyone use l-lysine and what form do you use? I've seen tablets (which I would HATE to have to administer) and powder forms... also, any specific type/brand to go for that is OK for felines ? Generally, what other supplements/therapies do you give consistently to non-symptomatic felv+ cats? -- Beth Gouldin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 940.395.5393 God Bless!!! This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged.They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Herpes virus - L-lysine in Viralys form
I get it from my vet but have found online, too. It's more expensive than buying the tablets yoursefl and crushing them. It's powder form so easy to use for multiple cats and has chicken flavoring. I confess I use it sometimes to get my Coco to eat. She is an on again off again eater. Ingredients: L-lysine in a platable flavor base. Laurie - Original Message - From: MaryChristine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 3:28 PM Subject: Re: Herpes virus - L-lysine isn't it just the fancied-up, so-the-vet-and-companies-can-make-more-money-on-it version of lysine? in a palatable gel, or something, maybe with some vitamins thrown in? asks the cynic. On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 4:40 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is Viralys? and/or where do you get it? dosage? can I give it to all the cats like the lysine? thanks, tonya laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use Viralys and sprinkle it on a small amount of cannedfood so I am sure they get it all.Or crush a pill and sprinkle, again, on a small amount (Tablespoon) of canned food. Mine aren't great about being syringed. L-lysine is tasteless and since they eat canned, this is easing dosing for me (also I have 5 cats currently, so easier with those numbers). The Yahoo herpes group has suggestions about dosing, etc. L - -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Cat Fancy
cool. I just got my current copy! L - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 6:36 PM Subject: Cat Fancy Hey everyonecrashs Landing made it to the big time!!! Check out Mays issue of CatFancy and read about us!! It is good to have happy news for once. :) Sherry -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: newgirlexpected
May I be the first to say.Congratulations! I can feel your joy! I am glad you decided to wait on the spay. I have had that same thought about Booboo but didn't want to say it...we waited to spay Isabella (FeLV+), too. Eventually (via abdominal ultrasound performed because of then health issues ~ she is healthy now!) we learned she had hemaclips which meant she was already spayed. Each time we took her to be spayed she was sick ...what a blessing in disguise! Winston (probable herpes) outbreaks when he goes to the vet. Using rescue remedy, rubbed inside his ears, has helped tremendously. You have good gut instincts, Lynn. I am glad they are cooperating with you!! Happy Day! Consider joining the herpes yahoo group if you haven't already. I will see you there from time to time! Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:17 PM Subject: newgirlexpected I got the email I've been waiting for today. I have been trying to adopt this adorable little rescued cat, persian, for a couple weeks now. I have missed BooBoo so much and have been through such emotional garbage with the previous owners of him that I just need another cat to give a good life to. This cat was rescued from a horrible person who had a pet shop in town. The humane society and SPCA went in and seized his animals and the City took his business licence away. This cat, (Snowball) was so sick, eyes swollen shut from infection, URI and it has taken the foster woman a month to get her well. She got final approval from the vet to be let go, has got her shots updated and that's that. She had been disgnosed with herpes. I know, I'm getting myself into another potential situation here, but at least I know what I have to deal with if an outbreak occurs. The vet was going to have her spayed before releasing her but I convinced him that I would do it in the near future once she has settled down in her new home. I wish I had never had BooBoo neutered so quickly after getting him. I truly believe it triggered his rapid downfall. Anyway, I now have the foster mom's personal email and we are going to start the process of her coming to me. I am just so happy to be able to look after another little lost soul. Lynne
Re: newgirlexpected
Oh Lynne. I have not been on that group for awhile. That is disgusting. I have stopped visiting other groups where breeders lurk. Re Booboo, some kitties just respond poorly to anesthesia and also it can awaken sleeping threats. My Squeak (FeLV+) had not been under anesthesia except to be neutered and declawed by his prior owner. I adopted him at age 8. At 22 he needed a dental cleaning. The vet had been scraping the tartar off his teeth for years but felt we needed a dental. Pre surgery blood work was perfect. Two months later he was dead from oral cancer. Did the anesthesia awaken a sleeping virus? I will never know but he was the PICTURE of health before this. I don't blame anyone but it makes me very sad. He was my soul mate. I have read that Persians' flat faces make them more susceptible to upper respiratory problems. I suppose the eye problem susecptibility would also make sense.You will probably learn alot from her that you can share with others along the way. Blessings. You deserve them! Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: Re: newgirlexpected Thank you Laurie. I am not one hundred percent certain that Snowball was diagnosed with Herpes but this is what the general opinion is and considering her living conditions prior to the foster mom's getting her, it is most likely what she has. I guess I'll know more when I get the vet reports and her immunization records. She's healthy now but needs her eyes cleaned daily. Apparently some persians have this issue with runny eyes??? It only made sense to me that she should not be spayed so soon after we get her. People with herpes virus have the same problem of stress triggering outbreaks. Thank heavens you didn't have your Isabella spayed. I will definitely get some rescue remedy and some lysine(?). Laurie I was on the herpes group but got so angry at this guy who is breeding cats with herpes virus in some attempt to irradicate the virus that I left. It was becoming seriously argumentative and emotionally I am just not up to fighting these days. I do have some guilt about what happened to BooBoo. I am just so sorry we neutered him, but the vet said he was healthy enough to handle it. I would never place blame on anyone, except for the criminals who sold him to us, but if only I knew then what I know now things may have been different. His blood work was bleak. He was a very ill little guy but still, who knows how it may have turned out. Extremely hard lesson to learn. Snowball will never replace BooBoo or our wonderful Chuck or Lennie, who doesn't appear to be leaving any time too soon but I think she will bring some much needed joy into this house. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: Re: newgirlexpected May I be the first to say.Congratulations! I can feel your joy! I am glad you decided to wait on the spay. I have had that same thought about Booboo but didn't want to say it...we waited to spay Isabella (FeLV+), too. Eventually (via abdominal ultrasound performed because of then health issues ~ she is healthy now!) we learned she had hemaclips which meant she was already spayed. Each time we took her to be spayed she was sick ...what a blessing in disguise! Winston (probable herpes) outbreaks when he goes to the vet. Using rescue remedy, rubbed inside his ears, has helped tremendously. You have good gut instincts, Lynn. I am glad they are cooperating with you!! Happy Day! Consider joining the herpes yahoo group if you haven't already. I will see you there from time to time! Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:17 PM Subject: newgirlexpected I got the email I've been waiting for today. I have been trying to adopt this adorable little rescued cat, persian, for a couple weeks now. I have missed BooBoo so much and have been through such emotional garbage with the previous owners of him that I just need another cat to give a good life to. This cat was rescued from a horrible person who had a pet shop in town. The humane society and SPCA went in and seized his animals and the City took his business licence away. This cat, (Snowball) was so sick, eyes swollen shut from infection, URI and it has taken the foster woman a month to get her well. She got final approval from the vet to be let go, has got her shots updated and that's that. She had been disgnosed with herpes. I know, I'm getting myself into another potential situation here, but at least I know what I have to deal with if an outbreak occurs. The vet was going to have her spayed before releasing her but I convinced him that I would do it in the near
Re: newgirlexpected
Pretty sure 2 of mine have herpes. Keisha probably did, too. Pretty sure 3 do not. They have lived together for 7 years. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:54 PM Subject: Re: newgirlexpected Oh Laurie, how horrible for you to lose your cat at 22 after the cleaning especially since he lived so long and was a positive. How absolutely heart breaking. Lennie has never had his teeth cleaned under anesthesia. He has always eaten hard food and now I mix it with some softer food but everytime he goes to the vet they check his teeth and they're fine. I probably will never have that procedure done to him unless there were an abscess or something. Too risky. Speaking of risk, I called Lennie's vet, only because they are familiar with him and told them what I was planning to do, getting Snowball, and should I have him vaccinated for the Herpes Virus. I forget what 2 things it involves, and he said, oh yes, bring him in. He'll need a physical and then we'll vaccinate him. Lennie was sick last summer with a dermatitis and ear infection, not mites, just an ear infection. He went nuts on Prednisone so came off it and once it was discovered he had a thyroid issue, many hundreds of dollars later, he was put on thyroid medication and you'd swear he'a a 10 year old again. Anyhow, I then called BooBoo's vet and told him the story. He said, do not vaccinate your old guy. It could be more harmful than benefit. He also assured me that if Snowball is vaccinated and is symptom free I should have nothing to worry about. If she does have an outbreak, I would need to isolate her until she is well again. Lennie will not even go near her. This I know. He avoided BooBoo like the plague and has no interest in other animals whatsoever. I will have to be diligent about litter boxes, dishes etc but I'm really not worried. With what we have just gone through, we can handle this. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 4:40 PM Subject: Re: newgirlexpected Oh Lynne. I have not been on that group for awhile. That is disgusting. I have stopped visiting other groups where breeders lurk. Re Booboo, some kitties just respond poorly to anesthesia and also it can awaken sleeping threats. My Squeak (FeLV+) had not been under anesthesia except to be neutered and declawed by his prior owner. I adopted him at age 8. At 22 he needed a dental cleaning. The vet had been scraping the tartar off his teeth for years but felt we needed a dental. Pre surgery blood work was perfect. Two months later he was dead from oral cancer. Did the anesthesia awaken a sleeping virus? I will never know but he was the PICTURE of health before this. I don't blame anyone but it makes me very sad. He was my soul mate. I have read that Persians' flat faces make them more susceptible to upper respiratory problems. I suppose the eye problem susecptibility would also make sense.You will probably learn alot from her that you can share with others along the way. Blessings. You deserve them! Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: Re: newgirlexpected Thank you Laurie. I am not one hundred percent certain that Snowball was diagnosed with Herpes but this is what the general opinion is and considering her living conditions prior to the foster mom's getting her, it is most likely what she has. I guess I'll know more when I get the vet reports and her immunization records. She's healthy now but needs her eyes cleaned daily. Apparently some persians have this issue with runny eyes??? It only made sense to me that she should not be spayed so soon after we get her. People with herpes virus have the same problem of stress triggering outbreaks. Thank heavens you didn't have your Isabella spayed. I will definitely get some rescue remedy and some lysine(?). Laurie I was on the herpes group but got so angry at this guy who is breeding cats with herpes virus in some attempt to irradicate the virus that I left. It was becoming seriously argumentative and emotionally I am just not up to fighting these days. I do have some guilt about what happened to BooBoo. I am just so sorry we neutered him, but the vet said he was healthy enough to handle it. I would never place blame on anyone, except for the criminals who sold him to us, but if only I knew then what I know now things may have been different. His blood work was bleak. He was a very ill little guy but still, who knows how it may have turned out. Extremely hard lesson to learn. Snowball will never replace BooBoo or our wonderful Chuck or Lennie, who doesn't appear to be leaving any time too soon but I think
Re: New FELV Positive- questions
Agree about keeping the family together. As my vet would say, they have already been exposed. I would separate the other cat for sure, at least until she's had the booster (30 days?). She is not protected right now. Wondering how long they have all been together. In any event, I think I'd keep her apart now and until everyone tests negative. I'd test her again, too (I can't remember how long a wait is recommended before retesting). I am questionning why each cat isn't being tested before they are co-mingled? We always tested each cat before co-mingling. In my own home, I did test and vaccinate and booster each cat who joined the family and whom I fostered., Any new cat was isolated for 2 -4 months, until tested negative twice, and vaccinated and boostered before meeting everyone else. L -
Re: New FELV Positive- questions
My concern is for the unrelated cat who only just had her first (of the 2 feleuk vaccinations) after the kitten tested positive. We don't know how long they have been in the same room. Maybe only days. That's why I would separate the unrelated cat, even if only until the kitten is retested and tests negative ~ because the unrelated cat isn't fully vaccinated and because of the possibility of limited prior exposure (if this is the case) reducing her chances of infection. - Original Message - From: MaryChristine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 1:05 PM Subject: Re: New FELV Positive- questions i was specifically looking at the fact that this was ONE kitten of two, where the mom and the other kitten were negative--while we don't know about the other cat, we have a pretty good idea how long mom and kids have been together remember that it requires a first shot, then a booster two to three weeks later (depending on the vaccine) for full immunity to take effect; so while mom and sibkit and companion kitty have been vaccinated once, they haven't had the full therapeutic dosage yet. as for the other adult cat: if she's just recently come into contact with this family, the chances that the exposure amounts to, prolonged, persistent contact is slim; if she's healthy, her chances of maintaining a viremic status despite exposure are low; and without a second test on the kitten, who knows if there's any danger at all. we don't know that anyone has been exposed to anything at this point. MC On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 9:39 AM, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes but the non-related cat was NOT vaccinated before exposure. It's one thing if everyone was already vaccinated AND the person is going to keep all of them but another if she is planning to adopt out the negatives. I would not want to adopt a cat who'd I knew had been exposed. I think it's different if they are all your own, the negatives have been vaccinated before exposure, the cats have lived together a long time already (not just days or weeks) and you are keeping them all. Laurie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:17 PM Subject: Re: New FELV Positive- questions I totally agree with Gloria. Everyone has been exposed too late on separating them. There is no such thing as a light positive. It is either positive or negative. I can honestly say that I had positives and negatives live together for years. I vaccinated the negatives every year. Not one of the negatives died from FELV they died of other Feline illnesses. In a message dated 3/28/2008 9:08:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but tho i didn't specifically answer this before, i of course agree with gloria and everyone: by now, everyone's been exposed and separating them is pointless MC TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ -- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: re spaying my kitten
Isabella gets interferon 7 days on/7 days off. - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:51 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten No, I wish I had known my cat was positive a year ago and I would have put him on interferon then. By the time we did, it was way too late. Actually I gave the Interferon to the Clinic and it was going to be used for a healthy positive cat. I'm sure this will be of great benefit to your little girl. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to bring her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her sapyed. I believe they said they would do blood work at that time. After she tested positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her on interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea? Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I guess you have to trust your vet. I still have misgivings about it but will be getting my girl spayed also. I must confess I am very nervous about having it done. She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no cause for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do get her spayed. Why is your little one on interferon? Has she had routine blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok? There was a young leukemia positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was going to be spayed. So I don't know what the best thing to do is. I never had a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed everything went downhill rapidly after he was neutered. I'm just a little paranoid these days. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet said she seems very healthy. The vet said that cats that are not spayed have more problems with cancer. She has be en in heat twice now and it does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: STYLE Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat onl y and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. kathy Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. kathy Special deal for Yahoo! users friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now
Re: re spaying my kitten
I think there is one kind of interferon (cat rather than human) that is given daily and much more expensive. others may know more about that particular interferon. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:15 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten That was our plan too but he only had 2 shots and had to be put down because of complications with FIP and his leukemia. - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:59 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten Isabella gets interferon 7 days on/7 days off. - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:51 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten No, I wish I had known my cat was positive a year ago and I would have put him on interferon then. By the time we did, it was way too late. Actually I gave the Interferon to the Clinic and it was going to be used for a healthy positive cat. I'm sure this will be of great benefit to your little girl. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to bring her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her sapyed. I believe they said they would do blood work at that time. After she tested positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her on interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea? Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I guess you have to trust your vet. I still have misgivings about it but will be getting my girl spayed also. I must confess I am very nervous about having it done. She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no cause for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do get her spayed. Why is your little one on interferon? Has she had routine blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok? There was a young leukemia positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was going to be spayed. So I don't know what the best thing to do is. I never had a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed everything went downhill rapidly after he was neutered. I'm just a little paranoid these days. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet said she seems very healthy. The vet said that cats that are not spayed have more problems with cancer. She has be en in heat twice now and it does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: STYLE Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat onl y and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. kathy
Re: Balance of puddy cats
I am sure mine do. After Stripes died, Squeaky kept urinating on the paper towel roll. I would replace and he'd urinate again. The vet said it was grief. It stopped after a couple weeks ~ dind't have this behavior before or after. They were best pals for 15 years. After Teddy died, I almost lost Coco. I know she was grieving for him. They were inseparable. It was heartbreaking. She has never been like that with another cat but is with me now. L - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: Balance of puddy cats Hi Folks, You never know if the other cats miss a deceased cat. I figure for the most part mine don't. I am now rethinking that. Being cats they are subtle about their emotions. Well Right now I have 5 cats on my bed, no room for me unless I move one. And Grey and White who shows her dislike for me more often than not has been lovey dovey towards me. Not sure that will last but there does seem to be a change in her behavior. I am was not sure...contemplating taking on another felk cat who is at a Vet Clinic not far from me. However I am not sure how the stress of many cats would affect this cat. I am not sure how a new cat will affect my cats. Mostly they will go OH another one I have not talked with the owner yet. She has a home for it in May but cannot house the cat until that time. Anyway, just thinking out loud. Emotionally I am not sure I can handle another 'sick' cat. I know it is a crap shoot with these guys even with the best care. Maybe I will keep him until May. Well I hope everyone is well and the kitties slaves as well :-) Sally -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: Balance of puddy cats ~ new cat?
ps re adding another. You never know. My friend just added a third cat to his 2 female cat, 2 male golden retriever household. Rocco has been a perfect addition, bringing out the best in each of the other cats. The dogs are terrified of him! Part of it, I think, is he kept Rocco isolated for quite a while and did slow introductions (followed Pam Johnson Bennett's suggestions). Another friend introduced a male kitten to her two old boy cats and dog. They do mostly fine with occasional annoyance directed toward the kitten, now one year old. White I still had 6 cats (now only 5), I tried to introduce an older, disabled male foster cat and then a neglected male foster kitten. My youngest boys would have none of it. They harrassed and chased and fought with the new one. The older boy was adopted by one friend and the kitten by another. The kitten was accepted warmly by the 2 resident (adult male litter mate cats) in his new home. The older boy got along with the dogs in his new home. I think, like people, the personalities make a difference. L - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 1:53 PM Subject: Re: Balance of puddy cats I know mine miss the stolen ones. Shimmer is my eldest, he is 12 now, and not too much into the antics of the young ones. Missy is my kitty with congenital heart disease, and she self-limits her play. That leaves Tuffy no one really to play with when I am gone, and I think she is lonely and confused. On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 10:38 PM, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure mine do. After Stripes died, Squeaky kept urinating on the paper towel roll. I would replace and he'd urinate again. The vet said it was grief. It stopped after a couple weeks ~ dind't have this behavior before or after. They were best pals for 15 years. After Teddy died, I almost lost Coco. I know she was grieving for him. They were inseparable. It was heartbreaking. She has never been like that with another cat but is with me now. L - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: Balance of puddy cats Hi Folks, You never know if the other cats miss a deceased cat. I figure for the most part mine don't. I am now rethinking that. Being cats they are subtle about their emotions. Well Right now I have 5 cats on my bed, no room for me unless I move one. And Grey and White who shows her dislike for me more often than not has been lovey dovey towards me. Not sure that will last but there does seem to be a change in her behavior. I am was not sure...contemplating taking on another felk cat who is at a Vet Clinic not far from me. However I am not sure how the stress of many cats would affect this cat. I am not sure how a new cat will affect my cats. Mostly they will go OH another one I have not talked with the owner yet. She has a home for it in May but cannot house the cat until that time. Anyway, just thinking out loud. Emotionally I am not sure I can handle another 'sick' cat. I know it is a crap shoot with these guys even with the best care. Maybe I will keep him until May. Well I hope everyone is well and the kitties slaves as well :-) Sally -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties
Re: Balance of puddy cats ~ new cat IA sancutary?
Sally, Is the Iowa contact a sanctuary? Is it Carmen? If not, BEWARE. Please feel free to email me privately. I am from Iowa and know the folks here. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Balance of puddy cats ~ new cat? I am really on the fence about this. On one hand I would like to think fate is intervening. A felk near me. He was just neutered 1.5 yo needs a home. May have a home in IOWA I am in VA. The person in IA cannot take until May but deals with FELV cats. I have not talked to the owner or I should say caretaker she is not able to keep the cat until then. Right now the cat is still at the Vet clinic. i have only spoken with a siamese rescue person who got involved bc it is siamese. They cannot house due to teh felk. I had a part Siamese cat 4 years ago and will always miss the funny boy named Puttyrat See my email addy. I am just too tired to talk to this lady today. I had a root canal started Friday and my mouth still hurts. Hard to be upbeat when I am in pain. I think the cats will be taken care of, but I kinda would like the Siamese boy. Sally On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 4:57 PM, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ps re adding another. You never know. My friend just added a third cat to his 2 female cat, 2 male golden retriever household. Rocco has been a perfect addition, bringing out the best in each of the other cats. The dogs are terrified of him! Part of it, I think, is he kept Rocco isolated for quite a while and did slow introductions (followed Pam Johnson Bennett's suggestions). Another friend introduced a male kitten to her two old boy cats and dog. They do mostly fine with occasional annoyance directed toward the kitten, now one year old. White I still had 6 cats (now only 5), I tried to introduce an older, disabled male foster cat and then a neglected male foster kitten. My youngest boys would have none of it. They harrassed and chased and fought with the new one. The older boy was adopted by one friend and the kitten by another. The kitten was accepted warmly by the 2 resident (adult male litter mate cats) in his new home. The older boy got along with the dogs in his new home. I think, like people, the personalities make a difference. L - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 1:53 PM Subject: Re: Balance of puddy cats I know mine miss the stolen ones. Shimmer is my eldest, he is 12 now, and not too much into the antics of the young ones. Missy is my kitty with congenital heart disease, and she self-limits her play. That leaves Tuffy no one really to play with when I am gone, and I think she is lonely and confused. On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 10:38 PM, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure mine do. After Stripes died, Squeaky kept urinating on the paper towel roll. I would replace and he'd urinate again. The vet said it was grief. It stopped after a couple weeks ~ dind't have this behavior before or after. They were best pals for 15 years. After Teddy died, I almost lost Coco. I know she was grieving for him. They were inseparable. It was heartbreaking. She has never been like that with another cat but is with me now. L - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: Balance of puddy cats Hi Folks, You never know if the other cats miss a deceased cat. I figure for the most part mine don't. I am now rethinking that. Being cats they are subtle about their emotions. Well Right now I have 5 cats on my bed, no room for me unless I move one. And Grey and White who shows her dislike for me more often than not has been lovey dovey towards me. Not sure that will last but there does seem to be a change in her behavior. I am was not sure...contemplating taking on another felk cat who is at a Vet Clinic not far from me. However I am not sure how the stress of many cats would affect this cat. I am not sure how a new cat will affect my cats. Mostly they will go OH another one I have not talked with the owner yet. She has a home for it in May but cannot house the cat until that time. Anyway, just thinking out loud. Emotionally I am not sure I can handle another 'sick' cat. I know it is a crap shoot with these guys even with the best care. Maybe I will keep him until May. Well I hope everyone is well and the kitties slaves as well :-) Sally -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him
Re: Balance of puddy cats ~ new cat IA sancutary?
Sally, I prefer not to discuss in the forum format. Would be happy to discuss via private email or by phone. Thanks Laurie - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Balance of puddy cats ~ new cat IA sancutary? Laurie I do not think so. The person is a guy who supposedly looks after Felk cats possibly holistically his email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does this match your information. Belinda who is in Siamese rescue lead me to believe he has been checked out. I may be able to get more information tomorrow. What is the sanctuaries name? Sally On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 9:17 PM, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, Is the Iowa contact a sanctuary? Is it Carmen? If not, BEWARE. Please feel free to email me privately. I am from Iowa and know the folks here. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Balance of puddy cats ~ new cat? I am really on the fence about this. On one hand I would like to think fate is intervening. A felk near me. He was just neutered 1.5 yo needs a home. May have a home in IOWA I am in VA. The person in IA cannot take until May but deals with FELV cats. I have not talked to the owner or I should say caretaker she is not able to keep the cat until then. Right now the cat is still at the Vet clinic. i have only spoken with a siamese rescue person who got involved bc it is siamese. They cannot house due to teh felk. I had a part Siamese cat 4 years ago and will always miss the funny boy named Puttyrat See my email addy. I am just too tired to talk to this lady today. I had a root canal started Friday and my mouth still hurts. Hard to be upbeat when I am in pain. I think the cats will be taken care of, but I kinda would like the Siamese boy. Sally On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 4:57 PM, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ps re adding another. You never know. My friend just added a third cat to his 2 female cat, 2 male golden retriever household. Rocco has been a perfect addition, bringing out the best in each of the other cats. The dogs are terrified of him! Part of it, I think, is he kept Rocco isolated for quite a while and did slow introductions (followed Pam Johnson Bennett's suggestions). Another friend introduced a male kitten to her two old boy cats and dog. They do mostly fine with occasional annoyance directed toward the kitten, now one year old. White I still had 6 cats (now only 5), I tried to introduce an older, disabled male foster cat and then a neglected male foster kitten. My youngest boys would have none of it. They harrassed and chased and fought with the new one. The older boy was adopted by one friend and the kitten by another. The kitten was accepted warmly by the 2 resident (adult male litter mate cats) in his new home. The older boy got along with the dogs in his new home. I think, like people, the personalities make a difference. L - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 1:53 PM Subject: Re: Balance of puddy cats I know mine miss the stolen ones. Shimmer is my eldest, he is 12 now, and not too much into the antics of the young ones. Missy is my kitty with congenital heart disease, and she self-limits her play. That leaves Tuffy no one really to play with when I am gone, and I think she is lonely and confused. On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 10:38 PM, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure mine do. After Stripes died, Squeaky kept urinating on the paper towel roll. I would replace and he'd urinate again. The vet said it was grief. It stopped after a couple weeks ~ dind't have this behavior before or after. They were best pals for 15 years. After Teddy died, I almost lost Coco. I know she was grieving for him. They were inseparable. It was heartbreaking. She has never been like that with another cat but is with me now. L - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: Balance of puddy cats Hi Folks, You never know if the other cats miss a deceased cat. I figure for the most part mine don't. I am now rethinking that. Being cats they are subtle about their emotions. Well Right now I have 5 cats on my bed, no room for me unless I move one. And Grey and White who shows her dislike for me more often than not has been lovey dovey towards me. Not sure that will last but there does seem to be a change in her behavior
Re: Balance of puddy cats
I agree. The stress of traveling to Iowa won't be the best for the kitty.. - Original Message - From: Tracy Weese To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 7:42 PM Subject: Re: Balance of puddy cats Then I say...go for it. I understand being tired and wondering if you can do it (again) but something is pulling you to this cat. - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Balance of puddy cats ~ new cat? I am really on the fence about this. On one hand I would like to think fate is intervening. A felk near me. He was just neutered 1.5 yo needs a home. May have a home in IOWA I am in VA. The person in IA cannot take until May but deals with FELV cats. I have not talked to the owner or I should say caretaker she is not able to keep the cat until then. Right now the cat is still at the Vet clinic. i have only spoken with a siamese rescue person who got involved bc it is siamese. They cannot house due to teh felk. I had a part Siamese cat 4 years ago and will always miss the funny boy named Puttyrat See my email addy. I am just too tired to talk to this lady today. I had a root canal started Friday and my mouth still hurts. Hard to be upbeat when I am in pain. I think the cats will be taken care of, but I kinda would like the Siamese boy. Sally
Re: re Foxy/ bad news
Doxycycline (in case he had hemobartonella), appetite stimulant and pain meds are what we gave our rescue kitten who was severely anemic and in kidney failure. He was also hospitalized for 2 of his first 3 weeks with us so they could IV feed him. We could not get him to eatfinally he rallied and is 100% now. He is not FeLV+. Laurie - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:50 PM Subject: Re: re Foxy/ bad news Since Foxy has been healthy to this point, maybe this event is an anomaly and that with the correct care she will be able to rebound. Is the vet that you are using up on FeLV? As Belinda suggests, there may be a way to reverse her anemia. There are people on the list who may be able to give you advise. I hope someone who has dealt with this will see your post and be able to help you. I know how stressful the unknowns of this disease are. It is awful to be told she has a few days to live and then discover that she has rebounded. It is so confusing and such an emotional roller coaster. I would relay Belinda's experience to your vet and get as much information as you can to post to this group. Maybe someone with more experience with anemia will see your post. I hope that there is someway to help Foxy get through this crisis. I'm sending you every good wish. Jane On Apr 1, 2008, at 7:54 PM, Kathy Dillard wrote: First of all- thank-you for your response. When Foxy went to the vet yesterday they gave her steroid shot, and antibiotic (shot) and fluid under the skin (shot) as she was dehydrated. They did a blood test and said her white count was almost nonwxisent and her red count was at 10- even too low for a transfusion. So we took her home and cried- and prepared ourselves for the worst. Today Foxy is doing better ( which is probably due to the shots) but she is eating and grooming herself and she doesnt have a fever. My husband and I dont understand and feel confused because Foxy is not breathing heavy which you would think would be happening because of lack of red blood cells and and lack of oxygen. Foxy has been very healthy up to this point so I think she has a strong constitution to draw from-but wonder if her blood count is so low now that it is too late. We did call the vet back today to let them know that she was actually looking better and if there was anything else we could do and they had us pick up a prescription of prednisone. i have raised alot of cats but have never had one with feline leukemia and feel very overwhelmed but want to do everything possible for Foxy and to make sure she is comfortable and not suffering. I hope this information helps clarify her condition and if you have anymore information or thoughts I would greatly appreciate it. I will definitley call the vet tomorrow with more questions and information. Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This may be too late already but what does your vet say is causing the anemia If he said it is the FeLV causing it RUN to another vet Is she getting doxycycline in case she has hemobartonella, something positives are prone to get and VERY hard to test for??? Bailey was anemic at one point and it was because the virus had activate in his bone marrow and was preventing the making of new red blood cells, he got high doses of prednisolone and epogen and his anemia was reversed. Send her numbers to the list. How low is low?? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com kathy You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.
Re: Another Important Question
I never had to do one thing for FeLV+ Squeaky. He had no symptoms. Stripes had a cold from time to time. They tested positive in 1985, 2 years after I adopted them. When they tested positive, Stripes was 11 and Squeaky was 10. I was their second guardian and they were always inside and my only cats. No one was too excited about it and no one suggested anything special. They did fine. Isabella, after her first sick months has been the picture of health. We do give some meds and interferon but are in the process of weaning her off meds. L - Original Message - From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Another Important Question Here's the thing FELV actually is not fatal in it of itself. Rather, it can cause suppression of the immune system and a cat can then die from complications of other diseases. Example--I believe that kittens who are positive are at higher risk of succumbing to Upper Respiratory Infections--infections from which they might well recover were their immune system not compromised. Older cats seem to be more at risk of getting certain lymphomas, have problems with anemia, etc. But again, nothing is certain... I have 2 FELV+ cats one of whom, Tucson, lived with my 3 negatives for 5 years before I knew she was even positive. They all groomed each other, occasionally swatted each other, used the same litter boxes, shared food/water dishes, toys, etc. For me, I knew I couldn't separate them and vaccinated the non-positives and just went on as usual==that was almost 4 years ago and everybody's still fine. I do give them some higher quality food, Wellness, but that's more because a couple are real porkos and I was trying to get away from too much dry food and too many fillers. My second FElV+, Romeo, is a stray that I'd been feeding outside for a couple of years--I never dreamed he was positive as I had never seen him sick. He's probably the oldest of my brood and he's had some gum problems which we handled with antibiotics--not very costly. When I first found out my Tucson was positive, I ran to the vet every two seconds--but after a while, I calmed down. Many people on this board take in positive kittens and sadly, those I think, are at highest risk. I had my Tucson since she was a kitten but clearly, she got through the most critical period and is now her hefty 18 lbs and a cantankerous calico to boot! I've not done interferon and outside of some relatively inexpensive supplements that I periodically try to get into their food, I haven't done much different than if they were all negative. I know the personality of these two, and I know that if things do go bad, it would be more hurtful to subject them to too much--they're just those kinds of cats. Outside cats, clearly, have more problems cause they're much more likely to get worn down, to not be as well fed, to be in the cold, etc. Inside, with some decent food, they've got a good chance of just living regular lives. Of course, anything can happen but the way I look at it, anything can happen with my negative cats too. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 913-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 7:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Another Important Question One of the ladies in Iowa to whom I spoke mentioned the possibility that Binxy may only be a carrier of the disease since she is four yrs. old and healthy. So, is there any way (other than the passage of time) to definitively determine whether she is just a carrier? And, am I correct in the assumption that being a carrier only would give her the same life expectancy as any other cat who does not carry this virus? Or can a cat convert from being just a carrier to being actively infected for whatever reason?---just trying to get my facts straight. Thanks. Caroline -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free
Re: Another Important Question
Squeaky was a carrier. The virus was in his bone marrow. He lived to age 22, symptom free until his final 3 weeks of life. Laurie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 5:27 PM Subject: Another Important Question One of the ladies in Iowa to whom I spoke mentioned the possibility that Binxy may only be a carrier of the disease since she is four yrs. old and healthy. So, is there any way (other than the passage of time) to definitively determine whether she is just a carrier? And, am I correct in the assumption that being a carrier only would give her the same life expectancy as any other cat who does not carry this virus? Or can a cat convert from being just a carrier to being actively infected for whatever reason?---just trying to get my facts straight. Thanks. Caroline -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free
URGENT: o/t anyone know what weak/wobbly rear legs might mean
My experience with weak rear legs was myonecrosis. Coco also had trouble eating. Her tongue would come out of her mouth. We saw a neurologist and a biopsy of her rear leg muscles was done. Her muscles were dying. Possible causes were toxic, nutritional and something else (parasite?). We immediately took her off the dry food and put her on canned Wellness. The nutritional deficiency was caused by a lack of selenium and vitamin D (might have been E). Anyway, the food change addressed the issues and she is a happy health 12 year old 4 years later. Nutritional deficiencies such as hers are caused by moisture or air getting to the food during processing or storage. We were feeding dry Wellness and I would dump the entire bag into tupperware containers and scoop from there. I offer food twice a day and throw out food and put out fresh bowls before the next meal. The vet teaching hospital where we went had 2 cats come in that day. The other cat was more advanced and did not survive. The 3 day dose med was probably metacam, a pain killer. This is very potent. I don't use it. I urge your friend to get her kitty to a specialist immediately. Laurie - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:38 AM Subject: o/t anyone know what weak/wobbly rear legs might mean Dear all A co-worker asked me if I had any idea what might be wrong with her cat as the treatment hasn't fixed the problem. She clearly loves her cat and is very upset. I said I didn't have an answer and would ask you wonderful guys. (Altho' my Caramel's rear legs also stopped working, Caramel was FeLV pos, tho, and it happened right before the end. My co-worker's cat is negative.) Here's her description of the problem. Thanks very much for any info or ideas you may have for her, Kerry M. The first inkling I had that something was wrong with Goomba was several weeks ago when I observed him attempting to jump up on my bathroom sink (which he usually did while I was getting ready in the morning) and he didn't make it. He never has tried again. Subsequently, he stopped jumping up on my bed at night to sleep and his demeanor became increasingly irritable. And so it was for a couple of weeks. Meanwhile, his appetite remained good and he still showed interest in going outside. My concern increased when I noticed his gait becoming wobbly and he groaned loudly when ascending steps, and hissed at any attempt by me to help him. At this point, I took him to the vet, Monday, March 31. Goomba was not a happy patient, but I left him there for some tests. They sedated him, of course, did a blood test and took an x-ray. All measurements of the blood test were within normal range. The x-ray showed his spine to be in perfect condition (I had thought the problem might have been an injury). It also showed that he has a small kidney stone, which the doctor indicated should not be causing any problems. The problem the x-ray did reveal was inflammation around his heart, so a test for heartworm was also done that test ultimately came back negative. To alleviate his symptoms, they also gave him a shot (I do not know for sure, but I believe the shot he was given was a corticosteroid. I can call and ask if such information will help.) Unfortunately, it's making him think he's mightier than he really is! I was also given three syringes of medication to be administered every other day (I believe that was for pain). He came home, was rather peppy for the following week, and even got up on a love seat one day for his nap. His last dose of this medicine was given on Saturday, April 5. He was feeling pretty good, but his condition deteriorated over the course of the week until when I came home on Friday, April 11, I thought he might be dying. His rear legs were weak, he was collapsing on them and literally dragging them along at times. This continued through the weekend, seeming to get a little worse each day. But he persists. His appetite remains strong as does his desire to go outside. On Tuesday, April 15, I got more medicine from the vet and gave it to him that morning before I left for work. When I came home, I could tell that he felt better, but his legs were still not working as they should. And that brings us to today. This morning he wanted to go outside and he ate a full meal. Following breakfast he went downstairs to use the litter box, flopping down one step at a time. It's heartbreaking to watch him work so hard; his will is so strong yet. To eliminate the possibility that this is a neurological problem, the vet suggested I perform a couple of screening tests. Based on Goomba's response, I don't think the problem is neurological. Goomba was diagnosed with fatty liver disease a couple of years ago, from which he seemingly recovered rather quickly. That was his only life-threatening illness. He is about
Re: Please add Inky to CLS
Hi Kerry. So sorry to hear of Inky's passing. He lived a long time with those challenging health issues. You must be a good mommy and he was determined to stay with you as long as he could. Those last 10 days, must, in retrospect be a comfort..? You have another angel and he is free now. From the looks of it, he was your only kitty when he passed? Squeaky was my only kitty when he died at age 22. Somehow that was harder because there were no others to care for and to comfort and be comforted by. May you find strenght and comfort today and every new day. Blessings, Laurie - Original Message - From: Kerry Roach To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 2:54 AM Subject: Fw: Please add Inky to CLS I didn't see this posted at the group so I thought I would re-send it. I guess there has been a problem with the sight. Hope this was ok. Thanks, Kerry --- On Thu, 4/17/08, Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please add Inky to CLS To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 17, 2008, 6:51 PM Hi everyone, I think some of you might remember helping me with Inky back when Bandy was ill. Although Inky wasn't felv+, I would like him added to friends at the CLS. He was Buster and Lil Rascal's uncle. He was 21 yrs 8 months and 4 days. He fought a tough battle with CRF, IBD, and hyper-t for the past 2 1/2 yrs. He went on his own terms and in his own time..He did some really unusual things the last 10 days prior to his death. Just re-visiting some of his favorite places in the house and such..He was one exceptional kitty, and I miss him so much..The place isn't the same without him as most of you know how that is. Anyway, he passed on April 13, Sunday. Thanks so much for all your help in the past and if I can ever help with anything I would be glad to do so..I hope to get back on here real soon. Kerry, Angel's Bandy, Inky, Buster, Lil Rascal, Snoopy, Striper, Albert and Alberta -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: spaying ~ bllood work, lysine and meditation
Lynne, I understand. I always insist on blood work up as that will tell you if everything is normal, no matter what the age of the cat. Some vets only want to do this on older cats. I would give her L-lysine twice a day, 500 mg each time until she goes in and for a few days after she gets home (late notice I realize) ~ this is for the herpes. Winston's acts up when he is stressed and he gets stressed going to the vet. I crush a 500mg pill and mix in with canned food. I recommend,if you are so inclined, you turn this over to your higher power, the universe, etc and RELEASE any negative energy you are carrying about this. You don't want Snowy to pick up on your fears. I find I bring to myself those things I fear...Frankie is having a biopsy tomorrow so I am in the midst of this process, too. I practice breathing when I go to that place of fear... I take a breath in and think or say in with peace and breathe out and think or say out with negativity). The serenity prayer is another way I calm myself. Our best to you and Snowy. Headbutts, Laurie and Frankie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:47 PM Subject: spaying Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne
Re: spaying
They are going to use Buprenex for Frankie. I won't use metacam on my cats. - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:43 AM Subject: Re: spaying Lynne, I know it is scary. My Rocket was just spayed Tuesday and came thru with flying colors. You can ask the vet what type of anesthesia they use. My vet used isoflurane. Sevoflurane also puts less strain on the cat. Be sure to tell the vet you do not want Metacam given as a pain med. Not the injection or oral liquid. Even though a single Metacam injection is approved by the FDA for use in cats it has caused chronic renal failure in some kitties. Buprenorphine (Buprenex) has been used for kitties with no adverse affect. There is always a risk with anesthesia but there are also risks not spaying her. The incidence of mammary cancer is higher in kitties that have not been spayed. We'll keep our fingers and toes crossed for her. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: spaying
Lynne, maybe you can request oxygen? My Frankie is having surgery to remove some lumps and have them biopsied tomorrow. He is asthmatic. I requested oxygen. L - Original Message - From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: Re: spaying Thanks Dede, I realize I'm concerned about a procedure that is routine but I was still worried about her little pushed in nose and having difficulty in breathing while under but the technician I spoke to told me that she would be carefully monitored during the procedure. After all she has been through in her short 3 years I just feel bad about having to subject her to anything that involves pain. She's just so happy now. And I'm still kind of in disbelief about what happened with BooBoo. I just don't take anything for granted anymore when it comes to my pets. Lynne - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: spaying Lynne, I know how you feel. Your new little one is healthy. If you go to a capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, she'll be fine. I have seen the proceedure done many times. We waited almost a year to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma. I was a basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery. She is now 10 yrs old...fat and very content. Good luck and God bless. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: spaying To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: my poor snowy
Poor baby. At least you found it! Frankie wa sent home with a hood yesterday after his biopsy. He promptly removed it. He is blind so needs those whiskers to navigate. I am not sure what I will do as he is supposed to thave the hood on for 2 weeks! BTW, that vet had no business washing her eyes without your permission, imo. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:32 PM Subject: my poor snowy Well I won't be taking Snowy in for spaying this coming week. I went to clip her nails tonight and noticed that there was a big lump on her right paw. When I touched it she meowed so I got her into the emergency vet. They told me I did nothing wrong that this had happened to her over a very long period of time. Her nail had grown into her skin, along with hair and they had to put her under and remove it. It had grown far into her pad and couldn't be removed easily. I don't get this. She had seen 2 vets prior to our getting her and no one noticed this. Now the poor little thing has to be on antibiotics (Clindamycin) and wear one of those horrible hood things so she won't lick her paw. She had a piece taken out of it and cauterized. I am so sorry for what this poor little dear has been through in her short life. I just hope all this trauma doesn't cause her herpes virus to resurface. The first thing the vet did when we got her there was to squirt eye wash into her eyes and she got all upset. I kind of yelled at him for doing that and asked why. He said she looks like she has allergies and I said she's a persian their eyes tear. Fortunately there was a very knowledgeable technician present who seemed to know a lot more than this guy did. Lynne
Re: my poor snowy
Thanks Lynne. I am looking into something called a Pro-collar, in extra small, for Frankie. It's made by www.gandbmarketing.com but I cannot find (so far) any place locally that offers the extra small. Frankie did cause some bleeding by scratching the incision/stitch in one of the 4 bipsied sites. I can't imagine any cat wearing that hood much less one like your Snowy or my blind, Formerly Feral Frankie! Sigh. Take care of yourself and your baby girl! L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 8:13 AM Subject: Re: my poor snowy We can't keep the hood on her. She became hysterical. She can be a very high strung little girl and fight like a lion when she has to do something she doesn't want to. I did manage to get the Clindamycin capsules down her this morning with only one scratch. She is on this for a couple weeks so we're in for a stressful time. I just called the vet and told them the story about the hood and the technician said occasional licking is ok, it's just constant licking that can present a problem. When Bob picked her up last night the vet told him he had washed her eyes AGAIN. I had to take my dad back home so wasn't able to go. I think I would have given him a real lashing if I had been there. Whatever he put in her eyes stained her fur horribly, not that I care what she looks like, but when we tried washing her face with a warm cloth it smeared all over. Fortunately we won't have to go back there. The vet did say to absolutely cancel her spaying though which certainly makes sense. I can't imagine Frankie or any animal wearing one of those things for 2 weeks especially if the poor dear is blind. There has to be a better way. I hope Frankie's biopsy turns out ok. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: Re: my poor snowy Poor baby. At least you found it! Frankie wa sent home with a hood yesterday after his biopsy. He promptly removed it. He is blind so needs those whiskers to navigate. I am not sure what I will do as he is supposed to thave the hood on for 2 weeks! BTW, that vet had no business washing her eyes without your permission, imo. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:32 PM Subject: my poor snowy Well I won't be taking Snowy in for spaying this coming week. I went to clip her nails tonight and noticed that there was a big lump on her right paw. When I touched it she meowed so I got her into the emergency vet. They told me I did nothing wrong that this had happened to her over a very long period of time. Her nail had grown into her skin, along with hair and they had to put her under and remove it. It had grown far into her pad and couldn't be removed easily. I don't get this. She had seen 2 vets prior to our getting her and no one noticed this. Now the poor little thing has to be on antibiotics (Clindamycin) and wear one of those horrible hood things so she won't lick her paw. She had a piece taken out of it and cauterized. I am so sorry for what this poor little dear has been through in her short life. I just hope all this trauma doesn't cause her herpes virus to resurface. The first thing the vet did when we got her there was to squirt eye wash into her eyes and she got all upset. I kind of yelled at him for doing that and asked why. He said she looks like she has allergies and I said she's a persian their eyes tear. Fortunately there was a very knowledgeable technician present who seemed to know a lot more than this guy did. Lynne
Re: my poor snowy
Hm. I am not getting all the emails. Sharyl, only saw yours within Lynne's. Anyhoo, Sharyl, thanks for good wishes for Frankie. He has four biopsy spots on his chin and I am hanging out where he is today to make sure he doesn't scratch. Unfortunately, I am having a mild surgical procedure tomorrow that will take me out of the house midday. I am not sure what I will do about Frankie. If he just sleeps, he will be fine. May have someone check on him or stay with him ps for meds...we use transdermal and medicated treats. They work GREAT. You need a prescription. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 9:07 AM Subject: Re: my poor snowy Sharyl, BooBoo was given a prescription for Clindamycin liquid when he was alive, chicken flavored. He almost choked on it. I tasted it and it was disgusting. Snowball is even worse when it comes to fighting, so I just did as our vet showed us. Back her up against me, between my legs, gently pull her upper jaw up and throw the capsules down her throat. Sounds kind of brutal but even though she shook her head like crazy, they went down. She's a really messy eater so If I put the capsule contents in her food, it would probably be missed. As nerve wracking as just giving her the pills is, at least I know she gets them. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: Re: my poor snowy Sorry Snowy is having such a rough time. I can't imagine any of mine putting up with a hood. Clindamycin is also available as a liquid if that would be easier to admin but it is nasty tasting stuff. Mine get hysterical with any pill. But I can crush the pills, mix with 1-2 cc of water and a tsp or 2 of meat baby food (no onions or garlic). Mine will lick this mixture off a spoon or you could syringe it. I hope Frankie leaves the stitch es alone so you don't have to get another collar. Hugs to Snowy and Frankie Sharyl Sissy and Stormie Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We can't keep the hood on her. She became hysterical. She can be a very high strung little girl and fight like a lion when she has to do something she doesn't want to. I did manage to get the Clindamycin capsules down her this morning with only one scratch. She is on this for a couple weeks so we're in for a stressful time. I just called the vet and told them the story about the hood and the technician said occasional licking is ok, it's just constant licking that can present a problem. When Bob picked her up last night the vet told him he had washed her eyes AGAIN. I had to take my dad back home so wasn't able to go. I think I would have given him a real lashing if I had been there. Whatever he put in her eyes stained her fur horribly, not that I care what she looks like, but when we tried washing her face with a warm cloth it smeared all over. Fortunately we won't have to go back there. The vet did say to absolutely cancel her spaying though which certainly makes sense. I can't imagine Frankie or any animal wearing one of those things for 2 weeks especially if the poor dear is blind. There has to be a better way. I hope Frankie's biopsy turns out ok. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: Re: my poor snowy Poor baby. At least you found it! Frankie wa sent home with a hood yesterday after his biopsy. He promptly removed it. He is blind so needs those whiskers to navigate. I am not sure what I will do as he is supposed to thave the hood on for 2 weeks! BTW, that vet had no business washing her eyes without your permission, imo. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:32 PM Subject: my poor snowy Well I won't be taking Snowy in for spaying this coming week. I went to clip her nails tonight and noticed that there was a big lump on her right paw. When I touched it she meowed so I go t her into the emergency vet. They told me I did nothing wrong that this had happened to her over a very long period of time. Her nail had grown into her skin, along with hair and they had to put her under and remove it. It had grown far into her pad and couldn't be removed easily. I don't get this. She had seen 2 vets prior to our getting her and no one noticed this. Now the poor little thing has to be on antibiotics (Clindamycin) and wear one of those horrible hood things so she won't lick her paw. She had a piece taken out of it and cauterized. I am so sorry for what this poor little dear has been through in her short life. I just hope all this trauma
Re: my poor snowy
Sharyl, good reminder. I used to chase with syringe of 1 cc water unless the kitty would eat canned food or drink broth after being pilled. Pills can stick to esophagus and cause ulcer. For more info about pilling and alternatives see this vet's website: www.catinfo.org Laurie - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 3:07 PM Subject: Re: my poor snowy Lynne, be sure to chase that capsule with some food or water. Cats have a really long esophagus. All meds should be followed by water or food to make sure they get to the tummy. Glad you are able to pill her. The horrid taste is why I mix the liquid Clindamycin with the baby food. Sharyl Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sharyl, BooBoo was given a prescription for Clindamycin liquid when he was alive, chicken flavored. He almost choked on it. I tasted it and it was disgusting. Snowball is even worse when it comes to fighting, so I just did as our vet showed us. Back her up against me, between my legs, gently pull her upper jaw up and throw the capsules down her throat. Sounds kind of brutal but even though she shook her head like crazy, they went down. She's a really messy eater so If I put the capsule contents in her food, it would probably be missed. As nerve wracking as just giving her the pills is, at least I know she gets them. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: Re: my poor snowy Sorry Snowy is having such a rough time. I can't imagine any of mine putting up with a hood. Clindamycin is also available as a liquid if that would be easier to admin but it is nasty tasting stuff. Mine get hysterical with any pill. But I can crush the pills, mix with 1-2 cc of water and a tsp or 2 of meat baby food (no onions or garlic). Mine will lick this mixture off a spoon or you could syringe it. I hope Frankie leaves the stitch es alone so you don't have to get another collar. Hugs to Snowy and Frankie Sharyl Sissy and Stormie Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We can't keep the hood on her. She became hysterical. She can be a very high strung little girl and fight like a lion when she has to do something she doesn't want to. I did manage to get the Clindamycin capsules down her this morning with only one scratch. She is on this for a couple weeks so we're in for a stressful time. I just called the vet and told them the story about the hood and the technician said occasional licking is ok, it's just constant licking that can present a problem. When Bob picked her up last night the vet told him he had washed her eyes AGAIN. I had to take my dad back home so wasn't able to go. I think I would have given him a real lashing if I had been there. Whatever he put in her eyes stained her fur horribly, not that I care what she looks like, but when we tried washing her face with a warm cloth it smeared all over. Fortunately we won't have to go back there. The vet did say to absolutely cancel her spaying though which certainly makes sense. I can't imagine Frankie or any animal wearing one of those things for 2 weeks especially if the poor dear is blind. There has to be a better way. I hope Frankie's biopsy turns out ok. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: Re: my poor snowy Poor baby. At least you found it! Frankie wa sent home with a hood yesterday after his biopsy. He promptly removed it. He is blind so needs those whiskers to navigate. I am not sure what I will do as he is supposed to thave the hood on for 2 weeks! BTW, that vet had no business washing her eyes without your permission, imo. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:32 PM Subject: my poor snowy Well I won't be taking Snowy in for spaying this coming week. I went to clip her nails tonight and noticed that there was a big lump on her right paw. When I touched it she meowed so I go t her into the emergency vet. They told me I did nothing wrong that this had happened to her over a very long period of time. Her nail had grown into her skin, along with hair and they had to put her under and remove it. It had grown far into her pad and couldn't be removed easily. I don't get this. She had seen 2 vets prior to our getting her and no one noticed this. Now the poor little thing has to be on antibiotics (Clindamycin) and wear one of those horrible hood things so she won't lick her paw. She had a piece taken out of it and cauterized. I am so sorry
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Too funny. Made me laugh! Frankie wore his E collar like a cape until he removed it! I had pushed it back so he could use his whiskers. Black cat, blue cape. Pretty cute if you aren't Frankie! L - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 8:02 AM Subject: RE: my poor snowy My Mickey was fitted with a hood after being treated for a hematoma. Well, Mickey's feral, and no self-respecting feral is gonna put up with that. He quickly set about pushing his paws through the hood, so it turned into a skirt. Because he's feral I couldn't remove it without causing him and his roommate a great deal of stress. So he had to wear the useless skirt until I had to (catch and) take him back for his check-up. Kerry -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 9:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: my poor snowy We can't keep the hood on her. She became hysterical. She can be a very high strung little girl and fight like a lion when she has to do something she doesn't want to. I did manage to get the Clindamycin capsules down her this morning with only one scratch. She is on this for a couple weeks so we're in for a stressful time. I just called the vet and told them the story about the hood and the technician said occasional licking is ok, it's just constant licking that can present a problem. When Bob picked her up last night the vet told him he had washed her eyes AGAIN. I had to take my dad back home so wasn't able to go. I think I would have given him a real lashing if I had been there. Whatever he put in her eyes stained her fur horribly, not that I care what she looks like, but when we tried washing her face with a warm cloth it smeared all over. Fortunately we won't have to go back there. The vet did say to absolutely cancel her spaying though which certainly makes sense. I can't imagine Frankie or any animal wearing one of those things for 2 weeks especially if the poor dear is blind. There has to be a better way. I hope Frankie's biopsy turns out ok. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: Re: my poor snowy Poor baby. At least you found it! Frankie wa sent home with a hood yesterday after his biopsy. He promptly removed it. He is blind so needs those whiskers to navigate. I am not sure what I will do as he is supposed to thave the hood on for 2 weeks! BTW, that vet had no business washing her eyes without your permission, imo. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:32 PM Subject: my poor snowy Well I won't be taking Snowy in for spaying this coming week. I went to clip her nails tonight and noticed that there was a big lump on her right paw. When I touched it she meowed so I got her into the emergency vet. They told me I did nothing wrong that this had happened to her over a very long period of time. Her nail had grown into her skin, along with hair and they had to put her under and remove it. It had grown far into her pad and couldn't be removed easily. I don't get this. She had seen 2 vets prior to our getting her and no one noticed this. Now the poor little thing has to be on antibiotics (Clindamycin) and wear one of those horrible hood things so she won't lick her paw. She had a piece taken out of it and cauterized. I am so sorry for what this poor little dear has been through in her short life. I just hope all this trauma doesn't cause her herpes virus to resurface. The first thing the vet did when we got her there was to squirt eye wash into her eyes and she got all upset. I kind of yelled at him for doing that and asked why. He said she looks like she has allergies and I said she's a persian their eyes tear. Fortunately there was a very knowledgeable technician present who seemed to know a lot more than this guy did. Lynne _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate
Re: Hobbs, 1 Yr. old FELV, crashing hard
Heather, Isabella would cry out if touched and had unexlained tremors (we thought she was dead at least twice) and high fever. She was anemic. She pulled through with care from internal med specialist. We had her on antitiobics and pred and painkillers, interferon and feline transfer factor. She did not quit eating which helped tremendously. She had ultrasound which showed slightly enlarged spleen. Nothing else. I wish for you that you will get some answers... please let us know what her person finds out? - Original Message - From: Heather Wienker To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 12:15 PM Subject: Hobbs, 1 Yr. old FELV, crashing hard Hello, I first joined this group a year ago in regards to a double-positive Mom and her kittens. All kittens cleared FIV, remained + for Leuk. Only the two who stayed together remain, and one has crashed hard. I am not his caretaker but what I know is, he had a dental a little over a month ago due to stomatitis (lots of drooling mouth pain). That went well, then a few days ago he crashed very hard, not eating, not drinking, crying in pain...losing weight rapidly. He is to go to the vet today, but has anyone pulled a Leukemia+ kitty through a serious crash? We are looking into Imulan but right now the caregiver fears he is suffering and can't wait for treatment. We don't want him to die on IV's in a hospital. His little Sister is very close to him, we always thought she'd go first as she's so much more fragile, we are so scared of not just losing this precious kitty, but also how it will affect his Sister. Hobbs' caretaker loves him very, very much and the prospect of losing him is very painful for her. Any suggestions are appreciated, thank you for listening- Heather
Re: Hobbs, 1 Yr. old FELV, crashing hard
Frankie's pancreatitis is controlled by eating lite canned food. L - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: Hobbs, 1 Yr. old FELV, crashing hard I'm so sorry to read that Hobbs is crashing. I haven't had to deal with that yet. What you are describing sounds a lot like an acute pancreatitis attack. Pancreatitis can only be dx by a special blood test fPLI done at TAMU or maybe by an ultra sound if it is done by an experienced person. Here is the link to a good pancreatitis board that would have more info. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_pancreatitis_support/ Pancreatitis can be treated and controlled for many kitties. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Heather Wienker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I first joined this group a year ago in regards to a double-positive Mom and her kittens. All kittens cleared FIV, remained + for Leuk. Only the two who stayed together remain, and one has crashed hard. I am not his caretaker but what I know is, he had a dental a little over a month ago due to stomatitis (lots of drooling mouth pain). That went well, then a few days ago he crashed very hard, not eating, not drinking, crying in pain...losing weight rapidly. He is to go to the vet today, but has anyone pulled a Leukemia+ kitty through a serious crash? We are looking into Imulan but right now the caregiver fears he is suffering and can't wait for treatment. We don't want him to die on IV's in a hospital. His little Sister is very close to him, we always thought she'd go first as she's so much more fragile, we are so scared of not just losing this precious kitty, but also how it will affect his Sister. Hobbs' caretaker loves him very, very much and the prospect of losing him is very painful for her. Any suggestions are appreciated, thank you for listening- Heather -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: Hobbs, more info--Liver
YES. My friend's' Lucie was in liver failure because she was not eating her normal amount of food. Her blood count numbers were off the charts. The internal med doc did ultrasound to make sure it wasn't cancer and placed an E tube. They kept her (24/7 clinic) for a few days to get her started. There were meds ~ prednisone and anti nausea. Mike had to feed her 4 times a day. She thrives! She was REALLY bad when Mike took her in. I went with him. I did not think she would or could live. E tubes are the BEST! Hepatic lipidosis is reversible and Diane is right...feed feed feed and quick quick quick!! good luck. ps I would take kitty to vet during day and at home at night. I agree. At vet they are alone from 5PM-7:30AM. A ridiculously and perilously long time. I would also have them place the E tube immediately. Prayers, Energy and Thoughts for the kitty (name?) Laurie - Original Message - From: Rosenfeldt, Diane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 1:01 PM Subject: RE: Hobbs, more info--Liver If the bilirubin is high, could this be fatty liver disease (hepatic lipidosis)? I've been through this with my Luc and it is very reversible with proper treatment. The treatment is simple -- feed, feed, feed, and quick, quick, quick! The problem is that the cat may not feel like eating, in which case force-feeding or tube-feeding is the way to go. With Luc, force-feeding was so stressful that we elected to have an esophageal tube inserted through his neck. We thinned out and blended some A/D from the vet and syringed it through a little funnel into the tube. Within a week, he started to feel better and lapped it up on his own, and turned right around. We had to wait a while to have the tube removed -- the rough edges of the hole needed to heal over before they could be stitched shut. We too had the test to the tune of several hundred dollars, and then Luc didn't react well to the anesthetic and they kept him overnight for several more hundred, so I feel your pain on having to consider money. The tube insertion itself was only a couple hundred dollars (although the vet may have taken pity on us after the original $1200 we'd spent on tests and the overnight stay). Thankfully, my mother had left a small amount of money and I know she would have been happy to know it went to save my heart-kitty's life. I hope things turn out okay for Hobbs! Hugs to him and his hoomins. Diane R. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heather Wienker Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 1:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Hobbs, more info--Liver Hi everyone, I thank you all so much for your caring insightful replies! It appears the problem is Hobbs' liver, his bilirubin is very high. They are suggesting a regimen of meds including Denocil, baytril, amox., Cartinine Arginine, and fluids. BW suggested an infection which may be the reason for the antibiotics. They also suggested doing X-ray/ultrasound/fine needle aspirate cytology for the liver. I asked if we can start the meds and see how he responds. If anyone has comments on this it is appreciated. My rescue vet bills were $1,100 last week and I hate considering money, but the vet did say we could proceed that way...I also thought sedating for the aspirate might not be good if he's so weak? What we are trying to figure out now is if it's best to hospitalize him for 3 days for fluids as suggested, or, for my friend to take him home where she can watch over him more during the night (my vet's does not have staff there overnight). She can't do fluids so would have to bring him back each day for fluids if so. I think that would be stressful, but it might be best for him to be at homeespecially if he took a turn for the worse, I don't think she'd like his last moments to be in the hospital if possible. I am always boarding cats so they can get proper care but in this case am not sure which is best, kind of a toss up. Karen, if you have suggestions now that we know that the liver seems to be the issue, it's appreciated or I can give you a call. A good rescue friend suggested SamE, but I think the Denocil is like an RX version that might have some further benefits if I'm understanding correctly. Thank you allI haven't been active in the group but always scan the messages and pray for all of our kitties. Blessings to you all--and especially to your furry ones, Heather This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with
Re: Hobbs, May 4, 2008
I am so sorry. Three friends also lost cats this weekend... 2 Saturday night and one early this morning. Prayers for all those kitty angels and their grieving caretakers/guardians. L - Original Message - From: Heather Wienker To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 12:47 PM Subject: Hobbs, May 4, 2008 I am very sad to let everyone know that Hobbs passed away Sunday afternoon at 12:48 p.m. His caregiver, Jann, woke up Saturday and dashed around to replenish suppliesbut when she got home he was clearly declining. She felt he was suffering and made the decision on Sunday to cease force feedings as he was obviously in pain. She did keep his mouth moist and tried to keep him warm, mostly just allowing him to do whatever he wanted or could. She took a sleeping bag in her spare room slept with him Saturday night, and spent Sunday morning in her yard with him in the sun, petting and consoling him. We had been trying to find a vet to come to her home, but he ended up passing on his own...which we are grateful for, though she fears she allowed him to suffer. I think had we not tried the treatments of this last week, we would be wondering if he might have had more time. Please add Hobbs to the Candle Light Service, and keep Jann and his sister Sissy in your prayers, they were two little peas in a pod, as Jann would say. Hobbs was a year old. I am very thankful to Jann for giving Hobbs Sissy the chance to live the life of love that all kitties deserve, regardless of what is in their blood. We found them when, after 20 years in the same building on a busy university campus, I moved to a new office on the other side of campus. I was very nervous about this decision and kept telling everyone I wished that I'd get a sign from God. Upon moving, I had 2 injured feral cats colonies in the first two weeks, and also was approached by a new coworker regarding an injured cat, who was Hobbs' and Sissy's Mom. She had an eye ear injury and my heart immediately told me I had to help her; we did not know she was a nursing Mom. I had been told she was declawed, and that they'd caught her 6 months prior along with a kitten of hers (negative), she also was not injured then. Why she was put back out unspayed, I will never know unless it was because they thought she might have more kittens. When I trapped her, she was not declawed but was positive for FELV, FIV, and a nursing Mom. I really feel that Mama, Sissy, Hobbs, Mickey Sebastian were that sign from God I'd sought, as they would either still be out there reproducing and likely ill, or would have been put down due to testing positive for Leukemia had someone else trapped them. I set out to find/trap the kittens and found out that 2 ladies had already found 2 of them, I had to give them the news of the Mom' testing status. Both of their kittens were weak double+, but did clear the FIV. Initially Sissy and Hobbs were only FIV+, but they retested positive for Leukemia a month later, confirmed by retesting twice. I was so upset by all that this Mom kitty had been through, and knowing that much of it--including this litter of kittens with leukemia, could have been prevented had she been spayed...there was no way I could not give them their chance. However, being in a small condo with 10 cats, I didn't even have room for another negative cat. It is Hobbs' caretaker, Jann, who gave Hobbs and Sissy the chance for life and love that they deserved, and I know they could not have had a more loving home. I am very grateful for Jann, and know she is hurting badly right now. I want to thank everyone for their kindness, support, advice and prayers. Hobbs was a very special boy, when I first took them to Jann's as kittens she said she felt an instant connection, she has always told me this. His illness and loss has been very hard for her and she has been very appreciative of the support. Thank you all for giving these special kitties love for the time that they have here, it means everything in the world for them. In Loving Memory of Hobbs, Heather
Re: New Member
Welcome Laura and Laura! L- lysine is great for herpes. You might want to join the feline herpes group, too. Those kitties can have eye and mouth problems. Winston (probable herpes) also has unexplained high fevers and anorexia on rare occasions - it is touch and go at those time. For herpes, the main thing to to keep their stress level low (for FeLV, too). The feline acne group has lots of info on allergies (the fur loss could be allergies or stress grooming). Check out www.catinfo.org for food info. This site belongs to a veterinarian who also does rescue. She likes Wellness and suggests the grain free diets. The best food I have found for mine is Petguard turkey and barley lite. All five like it and all seem to be thriving on it. Of course, it does have grains. I feed it because Frankie had panreatitis and needed a low fat food. Good luck and I hope others may have more insight into your combination of issues (ps my Frankie is blind) Laurie - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: New Member I'm posting for Laura because she can't subscribe, list problems, Jim is working on them. You can post on the list to answer she is going to read the archives for answers! Her message is below: -- Hi All, I've tried subscribing to this list but for some reason the form won't go through. I've sent an e-mail to the list holder. I figured for now, I'll just read from the archives but would like to introduce myself to you all :) My name is Laura, I live in Jersey and currently have 7 wonderful kitties. My newest family member is FeLV+, 2 years old, and also named Laura, (I'll fill you in on that in a bit) she is blind (very bad herpes infection as a kitten) has one bad eye and the other was removed last year. Her background: About 2 years ago my neighbor and I had to clean up a colony down the street from us of about 50 cats and kittens, we had them all fixed, some were TNR'd and the adoptables were given to a local rescue to find homes. I fostered all the kittens except 2 which who went straight to my vets office since they had eye issues, and I knew the rescue I deal with would not take them and try to place them. The kittens were named Laura and Dave, and tested Neg for FeLV. About a 3rd of this colony tested Pos, so we knew it was in the colony...but all the kittens were testing Neg. I ended up keeping one of the kittens (Rusty) and had him tested 3 times, because one of the kittens we adopted out later tested positive when the family vet tested her.Anyway, Laura and Dave lived at my vets for the past 2 years with several other cats. My vet took Dave home several months ago and Laura started having problems with a new cat that was bullying her. I found out about it and offered to take Laura, since I already have a blind cat and have no problem with it. I brought her home and put her in a room with a screen door, so she could smell my other cats and get to know them without any issues, plus I work long hours and didn't want her wandering around my house unsupervised yet. My vet had sent out an IFA test for Laura just to be sure she was Neg, at my request. Well, it came back positive. She then did snap tests on cats that were living with Laura and 2 were also positive (ironically the bully is pos too). She also tested Dave who is living with her and he was pos. So, for now I'm keeping Laura in her own room with the screen door, I also put up a baby gate so that she can't dart out when I go in and out of the room, that would be disastrous when I'm leaving for work at 5:30 amI just don't have time. Aside from the FeLV, Laura also has herpes, and has lots of bald patches which my vet thinks is from the stress of living with the bully. I'm not so sure, so I put her on Wellness instead of the crappy fancy feast she was eating to see if it might be food related? I don't know, I'm hoping in time, she'll settle in and her fur will grow back, she is a beautiful tortie. That's our story, sorry so long! I just wanted to say hello and ask if you all had any advice, especially when it comes to food for these kittiesSince I have Laura confined, I can feed her anything. I'm going to start putting L-lysine in her food for the herpes but is there anything else I should be giving her? I don't want to throw too much at her at once, her stools are lovely and I don't want to mess that up, and also want to see how her coat reacts to these small changes. Thanks in advance~! Laura -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
RE: I have to share
Sweet. I love cats. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 9:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: I have to share I just felt like telling you folks about something that happened last night with our Snowy and Lennie. Lennie is our 19 year old, who is showing signs of not being with us much longer. He's deaf, frail and weak but still appears to enjoy his life. Snowy is our rescued Persian. Len has not cared for her much since she first came home with us but over the past couple months has agreed to accept her. When we take them outside for fresh air, Snowy will follow Len just like a little puppy but if he turns around she kind of stops and puts her head down. They both get a lot of affection from us but you can kind of tell that Snowy is a touch jealous. Well last night we were out on the patio enjoying the evening. Bob was sitting between the two cats taking turns kissing them on their heads. When it was time to come in Lennie was cleaning his face and Snowy went over to him and stuck her little face right on his forehead. Len stopped licking his paw, looked at her and continued his grooming. Snowy then just walked by into the house. To see it you would have sworn she went over and kissed him. You can tell she cares about him, almost like she knows he isn't doing that well. It's stuff like this that makes me love cats so much. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
RE: spaying
I get messages on a very on and off basis,too. ?? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: spaying hi guys this seems to be the last post I have rec'd from the list. Is something wrong? At one point I was asked to sign in, which I did, but that was a long time ago. I hope everyone is ok ...it feels so strange not being connected. If anyone can help, I would appreciate it. On Apr 25, 2008, at 9:45 PM, laurieskatz wrote: Lynne, maybe you can request oxygen? My Frankie is having surgery to remove some lumps and have them biopsied tomorrow. He is asthmatic. I requested oxygen. L - Original Message - From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: Re: spaying Thanks Dede, I realize I'm concerned about a procedure that is routine but I was still worried about her little pushed in nose and having difficulty in breathing while under but the technician I spoke to told me that she would be carefully monitored during the procedure. After all she has been through in her short 3 years I just feel bad about having to subject her to anything that involves pain. She's just so happy now. And I'm still kind of in disbelief about what happened with BooBoo. I just don't take anything for granted anymore when it comes to my pets. Lynne - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: spaying Lynne, I know how you feel. Your new little one is healthy. If you go to a capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, she'll be fine. I have seen the proceedure done many times. We waited almost a year to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma. I was a basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery. She is now 10 yrs old...fat and very content. Good luck and God bless. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: spaying To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne _ ___ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
RE: new vaccine for feleuk prevention
Maybe this has been discussed here...I saw vet this AM and he uses a new vaccine for feline leukemia (prevention). It puffs under the skin, using a needle the size of a hair. I think he said he uses it every year on cats that go outside and those that fight. He uses 3 years on high risk cats (presumably those that go outside but don't fight). I want to say he called it Orafax or Oravaxanyway, this was news to me and good news! Laurie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
