On Dec 4, 2015, at 8:28 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
>
> The average American 20 mile/day is about
> $40 worth of electricity.
Wha…?
Assume 3 miles per kWh. Rounding up, that’s 7 kWh for your daily mileage. Most
places are within shouting distance of $0.10 / kWh for off-peak EV charging,
On Dec 4, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
>
> Though small, It’s a data point we need to include in
> our quiver and come up with some numbers...
I think focussing on the small fry might be distracting and counterproductive.
If you really want to do that sort of thing, you’d hav
On Dec 4, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> How much ELECTRICITY does a gas station consume
Nowhere near as much as you’re suggesting. As a general rule, Americans use
about as much energy on personal transportation as for household electricity,
with the cars generally more
On Nov 24, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
> I'd say the problem is that "Mr. Market" won't buy a product with extremely
> long life.
You may well be right. At the same time, reliability is a popular selling
feature, and, if somebody can make a durable battery that's not much more
ex
On Nov 24, 2015, at 12:43 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
> Mark Abramowitz wrote:
>
>> Stock price is irrelevant to the value of a company's used product.
>> Frequently also irrelevant to the value of the underlying company.
>
> Agreed. Stock price was just an easy way to demonstrate that the mark
On Nov 24, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
> And of course, you have to expect that the batteries will get worse over
> time. All batteries do.
True in practice for today's EVs, but _not_ true as an absolute rule. Iron
Edison-style batteries have functionally limitless lifespans, tho
On Nov 19, 2015, at 9:48 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV
wrote:
> Maybe non-plug hybrid designers really don't care about battery capacity
> (though that woiuld surprise me). However, for true EVs, we definitely care
> about usable capacity.
It'll be a function of total capacity, I think. A Tesl
On Nov 18, 2015, at 4:39 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> This discount, co-developed by the counties, Nissan North America and
> Boulder Nissan, brings the entry-level Leaf S down to $23,461 from $31,810
> before the federal ($7,500) and state (PDF) (~$5,000) tax credits for which
> the Leaf also qu
On Nov 13, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
> Most
> manufacturers spec a too low tire pressure so that you get a soft and
> quiet ride, but pump the tires to the pressure that they have a long
> life (you can easily have a difference of 2 times in tire life, between
> recommende
On Nov 13, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> Maybe Ben's is a special case. Could have some loose transformer windings,
> which I understand are the primary cause of whining.
Not my case! First I heard of an objectionable sound from the Leaf was
Cruisin's warning. Every time my
On Nov 13, 2015, at 10:12 AM, allan bullock wrote:
> Check the reviews like consumer reports. It is down rated due to the motor
> whine. It is loudest at around 55mph, very noticeable.
That may be part of it. It's my parent's car, and I don't remember spending any
significant amount of time on
On Nov 13, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Cruisin via EV wrote:
> Regardless where you buy a Leaf at, take note of the high pitch wine sound
> from the motor. VERY aggravating to most people.
Strange. I haven't noticed it at all.
> Also, excessive road noise
> due to lack of insulation.
It might have highe
On Nov 13, 2015, at 7:54 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> Prescott
I'm not surprised. Prescott (rhymes with, "biscuit") has seen lots of
transformations over the years...from the first territorial capital to a mining
town and, today, a thriving arts and culture scene. If any town in Arizona is
go
On Nov 12, 2015, at 3:07 PM, Jamie K via EV wrote:
> It would be cool if, when the time comes to replace the batteries (in another
> 5+ years), Nissan would offer higher range choices for replacement packs.
Nissan is almost going to have to...but, even if they don't, somebody else
will. The Le
On Nov 12, 2015, at 2:45 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
> Here I am finally possibly buying an OEM EV. Long way from my 1956VW with an
> ADC and 12v marine batteries.
Amazing turn of EVents, indeed -- and seemingly overnight. When I put the PV
array on my roof a few years ago and intention
On Nov 12, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
> I have seen some very good prices on 2013 Leafs with chademo & 6.6 chargers.
> I'm selling the veggie mobile and will need a car and since 12k is affordable
> to me I'm thinking of replacing the mess and thrift with almost as thrifty
On Nov 12, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Ing. Marco Antonio Gaxiola via EV
wrote:
> Considering the rule of EVs efficiency of 250Watt-hr per mile on a 2500 lbs
> compact car, May it apply same in order to calculate the energy efficiency
> of a prototype motorcycle?
We had this discussion a little while b
On Oct 27, 2015, at 1:57 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> “We really need to have a big push for charging,” Tony
> Earley, chief executive officer of PG&E, said in an Oct. 15 appearance at
> San Francisco’s Commonwealth Club. “The charging station ought to be part of
> our grid infrastructure.”
Suck
Depressing to consider that, even in Germany with all its solar and wind power
and now the VW diesel mess...even *that* isn't enough to launch EVs into the
mainstream.
http://phys.org/news/2015-10-vw-dieselgate-spotlight-electric-cars.html
"The government's goal 'is quite simply not achievable,
On Oct 23, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Willie2 via EV wrote:
> I have four of these: http://is.gd/j4BtyS on order for about $1300 each.
Updates on how those work out for you would be appreciated. Oh paper, they're
worth considering for my PHEV Mustang
b&
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On Oct 23, 2015, at 12:29 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> It's essentially down to the "smartphone mentality," the report says: buyers
> aren't interested in keeping their cars long term, because they expect
> something better to supersede them fairly soon.
I really, really hope this trend is short
On Oct 23, 2015, at 9:18 AM, tomw via EV wrote:
> Is it capable of the 50kW continuous
> estimated for the full size pickup?
For this sort of back-of-the-envelope guesstimating, you can use a 1:1
conversion for kW and HP. Getting 50 HP out of a 1800 cc aircooled VW motor is
no problem. Getting
On Oct 22, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
> I do like the
> utility of having a bed to carry stuff around for those times that
> I need it, even though I have also managed to carry a 2-person
> sofa bed in my Classic Prius or 2 50-gal drums.
I can attest that a '68 VW Westfali
On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:35 AM, John Lussmyer wrote:
> My truck cruises at around 30KW at 60mph. A 10KW generator isn't going to
> extend the range much at all.
Did I slip a decimal?
500 Wh / mile and 50 MPH (for easy numbers) is 2 miles per kWh is 25 kWh for an
hour...or 25 kW.
I guess I did
On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:47 AM, John Lussmyer wrote:
> My Electric F-250 gets around 650Wh/Mile. My range is about 70 miles.
> No Towing. (that would REALLY suck power!)
> Even with those restrictions, I find it very useful. I've had it at a bunch
> of car shows, and there have been quite a few
On Oct 22, 2015, at 12:18 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> In order for the individual to
> see the value proposition, the truck would need a range of at least 200-250
> miles, a towing capacity of 4,000 lbs+, and cost under $60,000.
We can do some math on that.
Trucks, especially heavy-duty ones t
On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:08 PM, Roland wrote:
> A electrical worker say he has install a 30 amp circuit, may only mean that
> the wire size is rated for 24 amps at 50 foot circuit run or 16 amps at a 70
> foot run for a 1 percent voltage drop.
I don't remember the actual gauge wire he ran -- this
On Oct 21, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Curt Coleman wrote:
> Interested in a no battery solution?
Huh?
This some over-unity reference?
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On Oct 21, 2015, at 10:03 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV
wrote:
>> "We can't build an electric GT-R today. But do I want to? I'd love to."
>
> I'll bet Elon Musk LOVES reading statements like that.
I don't think he does. Tesla shareholders focused on quarterly earnings
statements likely do, bu
On Oct 21, 2015, at 3:02 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> “We can’t build an electric GT-R today. But do I want to? I’d love to.”
I _still_ say this would be a major tipping point.
And I don't buy that Nissan, maker of the world's best-selling full-sized
electric vehicle, can't make an high perfor
On Oct 20, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV wrote:
> True. I actually meant I've only seen 20A outlets in commercial
> installations. My house is wired with 20A circuits and 15A outlets.
Hmmm...I may well be confused.
I just checked my panel.
Most of the regular outlets have 15A bre
All the garages I'm familiar with have 30A circuits. Garages typically get used
for power equipment like saws that need heavy draws. If there's a single 30A
circuit in the entire house, it'll be in the garage.
...and that's the case with houses built as far back as the Carter
administration. An
On Oct 19, 2015, at 2:24 PM, Jim Walls wrote:
> I've never lived in an apartment, but I know people who often have to park
> blocks from home because that's the closest parking.
It might be a zoning thing here, but every apartment complex in the Phoenix
area is pretty much guaranteed to have a
On Oct 19, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> Don't forget that there is a huge percentage, 30% to 50% depending on how you
> measure, who don't have consistent access to dedicated off street charging.
Almost all those people are apartment dwellers. And I think it's safe to
sugges
On Oct 19, 2015, at 3:24 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> In broad strokes, if you're confident that you can charge your car at home
> every night--or at work every day--then recharge rate may not be quite so
> important.
They're handwaving away the most important point.
People new to EVs are paran
On Oct 19, 2015, at 3:26 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> Bosch Targets 50 kWh Battery That Weighs Only 190 Kilograms, 15-Minute
> Charge To 75%
That means charging at 150 kW...call it 700 amps (with rounding) at 220 volts.
Where's that kind of power going to come from? Dump packs? It's sure not co
On Oct 18, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> Agree 100% that dumping excess solar/wind energy into H2 for storage is an
> absolute good idea that will work.
The gaseous form is one of the worst of the options for hydrogen storage.
In a cruel twist of irony...gasoline and diesel
On Oct 16, 2015, at 9:54 AM, Roland wrote:
> Install the hydrogen tank in a ICE vehicle using standard propane equipment
> that I was already running the engine on.
We're obviously veering sharply offtopic, now. Some years back I looked into
doing pretty much that -- running H2 in, in this cas
On Oct 16, 2015, at 8:35 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV
wrote:
> Compared to EVs, they were noisy, stinky, and
> unreliable. The fuel was hard to get, and dangerous to store.
But there're a lot of big differences today. For one, the whole field of
vehicles was brand-new -- as was the electric
Off-topic because EVs aren't what they're switching to.
http://phys.org/news/2015-10-toyota-aims-gasoline-cars.html
Between VW and now Toyota, the big automakers are signaling that we're now
officially at the end of the ICE era and that the transition to a post-ICE
world has begun.
Toyota's fo
If this is to be believed...it could be absolutely huge! Anybody here have any
further information and / or insight?
http://arstechnica.com/cars/2015/10/vw-responds-to-diesel-scandal-says-the-future-is-electric/
If it turns out the way I'm sure all us here would hope it would, those "rogue
engi
That was written a decade ago. Today, we've not only got the Volt and i3,
exactly the sorts of PHEVs he describes, but a decent selection of pure
electrics (like the Leaf) that are better than his beloved EV1.
...not to mention Teslas
b&
On Oct 15, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV
Something tells me this isn't to be taken at face value. It _reads_ as if
they're going to retrofit all existing ICE vehicles with batteries and electric
motors over the next two years. In all of India. I can't imagine India even
switching all new manufacturing to electric in two years...the mos
On Oct 6, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Peter Gabrielsson via EV wrote:
> If this is a permanent thing you might want to drive a ground rod next to
> the pedestal.
Even if not permanent, there're ways of creating grounds -- including driving a
rod or looking for something conductive already grounded. But
On Oct 4, 2015, at 5:59 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> Limit it to just the time span of the EVDL.
On the contrary; limit it only to that which people willing to volunteer their
time are interested in contributing.
Sure, encourage people to step up for stuff you yourself are most interested
On Oct 3, 2015, at 12:19 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV
wrote:
> Anyone have thoughts on this idea?
You're absolutely right. _A_ wiki would be good for this sort of thing, but
_the_ Wikipedia is not the proper wiki.
Ironically enough, a well-established EVDL wiki could conceivably become a
su
On Sep 29, 2015, at 2:20 PM, rayfellow via EV wrote:
> A tribute to Tesla's market strategy is, the cost of batteries is relitively
> high now. If you're going to put them in a car, make it an expensive one ie.
> Tesla Model S or X.
This is another very important point.
We're at the cusp of mov
On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:12 PM, rayfellow via EV wrote:
> The difference in per mile costs for an efficient EV vs a
> heavy user is still not all that much.
This is a _very_ significant part of the equation.
My parents recently bought a Leaf. They love it, can't stop talking about it.
And they li
On Sep 23, 2015, at 5:51 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> And any fool can see that
> the utility is getting my solar at a time when they are PAYING more than
> 12 cents per kWh average and that I am taking it back out when their
> average cost is only 5 cents.
Yes -- the alignment between pe
On Sep 22, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Lee Hart wrote:
> Ben Goren via EV wrote:
>
>> Not just current state of the art...it's never going to be practical
>> for the four-door five-passenger freeway sedan that dominates the
>> roadways; there just isn't enough insola
On Sep 22, 2015, at 12:12 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> Only if the Golf Cart and dump-pack are FULLY discharged every day.
Hmmm...I don't think that's quite right, but the basic point you make is a good
one. If the car has, say, a 300 mile range, and the fixed generation system
makes an
On Sep 22, 2015, at 11:46 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV
wrote:
> The autonomous onboard-PV EV is a sweet dream. Who wouldn't love to drive
> on pure sunshine and never have to fuel up or plug in? But at the current
> state of the art, that's your heart talking, not your head.
Not just current
On Sep 22, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> That's 1% to 4%. Better than most banks. And FAR better for the future
> since it displaces X amount of coal burning.
If that's your goal, _far_ better to put the panels on your rooftop and
backfeed into the grid -- assuming, of cou
On Aug 23, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Willie2 via EV wrote:
> It was quite hard to ride them slowly. I did get close to 50 mpg when I
> could hold it to 50-55 mph.
Ah...well, I think my point is still proven -- at least, if you amend it to
include driving habits. The only full-sized cars that could ke
On Aug 23, 2015, at 11:45 AM, John Lussmyer wrote:
> On Sun Aug 23 11:25:05 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>> Even the worst full-sized gasoline-powered motorcycle is going to get better
>> fuel economy than the best econobox
>
> That particular part of your statement is incorrect.
> I used t
On Aug 23, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> If it merely 100% replaces a pedal-only bike, then clearly it is dirtier.
I can't help but think this is the perfect being the enemy of the good.
Even the worst full-sized gasoline-powered motorcycle is going to get better
fuel economy
On Aug 23, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote:
> All these words and none to summarize why I would want to try to get it to
> work.
It's just a short cellphone video clip of an hamster running in a wheel in the
rear trunk of a parked Tesla. Ha, ha. Next week it'll be a meme GIF of a L
On Aug 17, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> But for 83% of us, it has dropped to Zero NOW. We aren't waiting.
In addition to this very important point, there's another equally-important
point to be made.
Coal is nasty, yes. But so is petroleum. And even those EVs that are powe
On Aug 14, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
> Coal power is history. It is not
> because of more strict regulations (even though "the polluter pays" would
> have been nice for so many people suffering from the results of decades of
> burning coal) but simply the business case for
On Aug 5, 2015, at 8:18 AM, len moskowitz via EV wrote:
> 60 pounds of battery for 1000 miles of range
Before you get too excited...these batteries are not rechargeable. They work by
combining the aluminum in the battery with atmospheric oxygen -- essentially,
they burn the aluminum, releasing
On Aug 4, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Alan Arrison via EV wrote:
> We already went round and round with this "no self discharge, no BMS" fellow
> a few months ago.
Yes, we did.
I think a good analogy might be the Tire Pressure Monitoring System found in
every new car for ages. You could probably make
On Jul 3, 2015, at 12:58 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> "I felt bad for them," Ms Jamil said, noting that the other seven Model S
> sedans were unattended, a sign that their owners may be picking up items at
> the nearby shopping center while their cars charged. The two drivers needing
> to char
On Jun 27, 2015, at 4:38 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> Electric go-karts offer new thrill for youngsters at Acton track
The local kart racing facility is all electric. Lots of fun to drive, and a
much more pleasant experience than a gasoline-powered kart ride...I don't think
even the most dieha
On Jun 25, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Roger Stockton via EV wrote:
> David's point, I believe is that the exercise of pitting a highly modified,
> purpose-built drag racer against a production car is rather childish
Erm...I don't think you understand how these things work. I very, very much
doubt it's
On Jun 24, 2015, at 3:14 AM, Chris Tromley via EV wrote:
> I continue to be baffled by the drag guys' fascination with comparing a
> highly - and specifically - modified
> race car to a stock-and-standard high performance OEM car.
Teslas aren't why Weyland built the Zombies. I think this is th
On Jun 19, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Willie2 via EV wrote:
> I am curious as to how Paul came to his belief.
His methodology is inadequate to the task -- rather like using a roadside truck
scale to weigh the first four people to pass by and concluding that all humans
weigh exactly 200 pounds.
Lee, in
On Jun 16, 2015, at 8:06 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
> Ben Goren via EV wrote:
>> _Every_ charger has a battery management system.
>
> Only if you define BMS as "Bare Minimum System".
Yes -- exactly my point.
The management might only be sufficient for shoving electr
On Jun 16, 2015, at 10:40 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV
wrote:
> Many of these guys actively LIKE -- deliberately PREFER -- the noise, stink,
> and grime that their ICEVs produce. That may even be more important to them
> than their actual performance. They really DO have "gasoline in their
On Jun 16, 2015, at 10:40 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV
wrote:
> You do too. Yours is just manual. And that can work as long, as you're
> thoroughly knowledgable and attentive.
That's the key point.
_Every_ charger has a battery management system. The only question is the
degree of intell
On Jun 16, 2015, at 2:25 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
> I'm not understanding why you have a problem with Honda developing their line
> based on consumer demand, or the most profit. Don't you understand that this
> is how all the automakers compete, not to mention companies in other fields
On Jun 15, 2015, at 7:24 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV
wrote:
> I agree. This is a dead weight holding back sales of used conversions. For
> many good reasons, lots of EV hobbyists convert old vehicles. The problem is
> that when you go to sell, the vehicle is even older. And hardly anyone
>
On Jun 14, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
> With the right pack this vehicle out range and perform any factory EV. It
> will also be better when the factory EV is broken as it will be fixable by
> the owner or any ev converter. The factory ev will cost big bucks to fix.
> W
On Jun 11, 2015, at 12:17 PM, harry henderson via EV wrote:
> i'm thinking about a 2013 S model right now
>
> also, does anyone know if the $7500 fed tax credits will expire?
The tax credit only applies to the initial purchase of a new vehicle from a
dealer.
On the other hand...you can get li
via EV wrote:
>> If A/C demands aren't great, I've wondered if you could get away with a
>> cooler, some ice packs, some water to carry the "cold" and a circulation
>> pump to run the water through a tubing network installed in a seat cover.
>> I know
>
> A friend of mine has a porsche and belt drives his compressor off the tail
> shaft of the drive motor. It was easy to do, but is about as inefficient as
> my attempt to use a second motor to drive the original a/c compressor. And,
> gotta rev the motor while at a stop li
So, I can imagine all sorts of ways that one might run air conditioning in an
electric vehicle, but I'm sure others have actually tried and done different
ways and likely figured out the best general approach.
Any of those others reading these words and care to point me in a good
direction?
Th
On Jun 9, 2015, at 6:02 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> How Uber's Autonomous Cars Will Reshape The Economy By 2025
> By SeekingAlpha, May 31, 2015 By Zack Kanter
Couple more thoughts on this
First, I think there's still a logistical challenge to be faced with replacing
the commuter car flee
On Jun 9, 2015, at 6:02 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> Virtually
> all of these 10 million jobs will be eliminated within 10-15 years, and this
> list is by no means exhaustive.
This is the big wildcard -- and not just as it relates to vehicles, electric or
otherwise.
Not since the Industrial Re
On Jun 7, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Mark Abramowitz wrote:
> But not matching the Tesla in one important (to me, anyway) respect -
> emissions.
Well, yes and no.
It'll mostly be an all-electric vehicle -- to the point that, as with Volt
owners, save for road trips, I'll have to pay attention to not
On Jun 7, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> A Chevy Volt was designed
> just for this lady!
Almost...but not quite. Never mind how older generations did just fine with
station wagons and even, in my own case, VW Bugs as "family cars," today's
suburbanites "need" an SUV for thei
I think a lot of "the gas folks" really do get that. The problem is that,
especially in the more sprawling metropolises, their lives are built such that
a car with only a two gallon "tank" just isn't any use to them.
I have a good friend who lives in Surprise, Arizona, a suburb of Phoenix. She
On Jun 3, 2015, at 10:23 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
> What EV is better than a Tesla? One person I know that has a Tesla has owned
> cars of all types, many of them luxury ones. He says that his Tesla is the
> best car he has *ever* owned.
>
> So what do you think is better?
Better...
On Jun 3, 2015, at 5:05 PM, Ed Blackmond via EV wrote:
> The guess-o-meter provides neither number.
Ignoring the guess-o-meter for the moment...how accurate is the remaining
charge meter? Can one use it mentally like one does the gas gauge on an ICE
vehicle? That is, if you know that you typic
On Jun 3, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> "Yes, slow charging is just fine, in fact, better for the life of the
> battery than "fast charging". The reason they cannot recommend it is the
> simply the *ergonomics* of customer expectations of the "miles-to-go"
> gauge.
Thanks fo
Lithium Ion battery
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 3, 2015, at 11:12 AM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, everybody, for all the advice.
>>>
>>> Sunday evening when I had dinner at their place, I set the car to only
&
Thanks, everybody, for all the advice.
Sunday evening when I had dinner at their place, I set the car to only charge
to 80%. I also set the timer so that it'll finish charging by 6:00 am, thinking
that that was when their time-of-use plan kicked up to the higher rate. They
actually don't have a
On May 31, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Jay Summet via EV wrote:
> One place where Lithium may work better over Lead is for instant/auto
> start/stop applications.
I would think that such systems will have a relatively short life in the design
studios. If you've got an hybrid of any flavor, the electric t
On May 31, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Jay Summet wrote:
> but proably not at all
> worth the time/effort.
Ah, well. 'Twas a thought
> My understanding is that the 20%-80% range is the
> "safe" range.
Certainly makes things easier...take the time to charge to 80%, program the car
to start charging
On May 31, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Lee Hart wrote:
> I don't say this with pride; I'm actually sad to see it work out this way.
> It's just that our society creates an overwhelming pressure to keep doing the
> Same Old Thing, no matter what, no matter how many better ideas come along,
> until absolu
On May 31, 2015, at 1:45 PM, Charles Galpin wrote:
> Ben, do you mind sharing how much they paid? Leaf’s are getting pretty cheap
> here too. There is a 2012 SV with 15k miles for $11k locally which is calling
> my name.
The charge on my credit card -- including all taxes and registration and
On May 31, 2015, at 1:12 PM, Jay Summet via EV wrote:
> The 2013 battery modules do have more "air holes" in them for passive
> thermal heating than the 2011/2012 modules.
That sparks another interesting thought...would there be any particularly good
place to position a box fan to maximize the
ought have battery thermal control? If so,=
>> =20
>>>> keeping that running would help, right, even though you would dump a=20
>>>> bit more heat into the garage.
>>>>
>>>> Third, even a window-mount A/C unit could have an effect on keeping=20
&
So, Dad just drove Mom home in a 2013 Leaf. ~12k miles, California vehicle;
couldn't tell it from new. There was one bar missing from the charge gauge; the
numeric meter read, "98%."
Everybody's excited. It should be well and truly perfect for them.
One thought I had that I'm hoping somebody mi
On May 30, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Mr23 via EV wrote:
> Isn't the NSA a bit beyond the EVDL's charter ?
The context is vehicles, especially new factory electric vehicles, with a full
suite of Big Brother spying equipment built into the car, hardware that we
already know reports back to the manufactu
So, this morning I help my parents finish putting in a bunch of sod in their
back yard. Afterwards, Dad followed up on a couple Web sites he's been looking
at and did a bit of math...and it seemed just possible that, with a trade-in
offer and Federal tax credits and all the rest, they might be a
On May 30, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Paul Dove via EV wrote:
>>> Same reason they can't ask for your text messages or phone information. You
>>> need a court order
>>
>> Has anybody bothered to tell that to the NSA? Or to the local law
>> enforcement agencies that work with the NSA on "parallel constr
On May 30, 2015, at 4:48 AM, Paul Dove via EV wrote:
> Same reason they can't ask for your text messages or phone information. You
> need a court order
Has anybody bothered to tell that to the NSA? Or to the local law enforcement
agencies that work with the NSA on "parallel construction"? How
On May 29, 2015, at 5:28 PM, Willie2 via EV wrote:
> I believe lithium is now about twice the price of lead for similar energy
> storage capacity.
In general, we are rapidly approaching but not quite yet at the time when
lithium trumps lead for all use cases. Once Tesla's Gigafactory comes onl
On May 27, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> And don't forget the battery replacement cost - perhaps after 10 years or
> 70K miles?
It seems that batteries are lasting at least as long as ICE engines and
transmissions, and replacement new batteries are guaranteed to be much cheap
On May 27, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote:
> Solar at this time, where I live with low cost electrons (<$0.10 /kWh), is
> not a great investment without subsidies.
That's damned cheap electricity. And, at utility scales, the only thing cheaper
than solar these days is coal. Given t
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