A blind man creating a rock by tripping on it.

2013-01-23 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg This get sillier the more realistically we examine your claim. It would also make an interesting experiment to record with a videocam set off with a trip wire that could be posted on Youtube. How fast is the object of perception created in the brain? How fast would the rock

Re: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-23 Thread Roger Clough
Hi John Clark From his hostile postings, Craig seems to have been very very badly hurt by the Christian Church sometime in the past. - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-22, 13:23:37 Subject: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL

Re: Re: Idealism, theology, and the world of science Options

2013-01-23 Thread Roger Clough
Hi socra...@bezeqint.net There is always a well-known solution to every human problem--neat, plausible, and wrong. H. L. Mencken, - Receiving the following content - From: socra...@bezeqint.net Receiver: Everything List Time: 2013-01-22, 13:38:21 Subject: Re: Idealism, theology, and

remarkable female chess master

2013-01-23 Thread Roger Clough
Hi - This national geographic special shows a young hungarian lady who can essentially play and win five games of chess blindfolded. Instead of a blindfold, here she is playing only by voice to voice over a mobile phone. Her father, a psychologist, trained her to excel at chess. This would

Re: Re: Escaping from the world of 3p Flatland

2013-01-22 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal You said: God, matter, consciousness are never computable Is that because the above are nonphysical ? If consciousness is not computable, can ideas be computable ? I'm totally lost. I don't even understand how ANYTHING other than numbers can be computable. Suppose you do

Re: Re: Robot reading vs human reading

2013-01-22 Thread Roger Clough
provides you with knowledge, then that knowledge must be true by definition. - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-21, 09:38:01 Subject: Re: Robot reading vs human reading On 20 Jan 2013, at 21:03, Roger Clough wrote: Hi

Re: Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy

2013-01-22 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg That's quite a stretch. You really expect me to believe that a rock in the path of a blind man walking would be detected by him ? Of course he could detect it with his cane, but what if he had none ? - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver:

Re: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-22 Thread Roger Clough
Hi John Clark Materialism is a religious cult who main tenet is contempt prioor to investigation. - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-21, 11:53:07 Subject: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS. On

Re: Re: Re: Re: Is there an aether ?

2013-01-22 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg If you knew more about the history of philsophy, you'd know that Berkeley finally had to admit that the world out there is real prior to our individual observation because it is all observed by God. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver:

Re: Re: the curse of materialism

2013-01-22 Thread Roger Clough
Hi socra...@bezeqint.net Shechtman also did work on quasicrystals at NIST, as a visiting scientist in the same materials division that I was in. I don't know why he got such a shoddy treatment-- whether it was political or antisemitic or professional jealousy. There was one world- famous

Re: Re: the curse of materialism

2013-01-22 Thread Roger Clough
Hi socra...@bezeqint.net CS Peirce believed that scientific laws were habits or laws developed by nature. So, according to CSP: Firstness= random Secondness = deterministic Thirdness= habit or law Rupert Sheldrake has similar ideas with his morphic resonances. As for myself, I'm too

Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy

2013-01-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Could a blind man stub his toe ? - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-20, 21:35:50 Subject: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy What would an alien intelligence help explain the origin of the universe?

Re: Re: Re: Is there an aether ?

2013-01-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg That is such a silly pov. If a boulder fell off of a cliff above you onto you that you didn't see, would it hurt you or not ? - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-20, 15:47:31 Subject: Re: Re: Is there an

Re: Re: Holy Smokes ! Automobile exhausts are causing polar icecapstoalsomelt on Mars, Jupiter and Pluto

2013-01-21 Thread Roger Clough
You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think. Brent On 1/20/2013 11:36 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Lead me to the proof. - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-19, 15:22:30 Subject: Re: Holy Smokes

Re: Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb You have faith that what Mencken said is true, am I not correct ? - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-20, 18:31:10 Subject: Re: Science is a religion by itself. Men become civilized, not in proportion to their

Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy

2013-01-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi spudboy100 Yes, God is an alien intelligence because he does many things we consider unjust. - Receiving the following content - From: spudboy100 Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-20, 21:11:13 Subject: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy Does anyone have an issue with

Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy

2013-01-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg But nothing would exist for a blind man, since he can see nothing. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-21, 09:11:18 Subject: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy On Monday, January 21, 2013 4:54:58

Does energy obey the laws of materialism ?

2013-01-20 Thread Roger Clough
Does energy obey the laws of materialism ? Energy presents us with an argument against materialism, (or at least materialism as I understand it) since is conserved, regardess of form or physical location. Thus the electrical energy created in a generating station at one location can be

Does energy obey the laws of materialism ?

2013-01-20 Thread Roger Clough
Does energy obey the laws of materialism ? Energy presents us with an argument against materialism, (or at least materialism as I understand it) since is conserved, regardess of form or physical location. Thus the electrical energy created in a generating station at one location can be

Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy

2013-01-20 Thread Roger Clough
, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Many are called, but few are chosen. You mean many are called in error by an omnipotent-yet-incompetent God, or that they are intentionally called and abandoned by a all-loving-yet-consistently-cruel-and-indifferent God? [Roger Clough], [rcl

Re: Re: Holy Smokes ! Automobile exhausts are causing polar icecapstoalso melt on Mars, Jupiter and Pluto

2013-01-20 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Lead me to the proof. - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-19, 15:22:30 Subject: Re: Holy Smokes ! Automobile exhausts are causing polar icecapstoalso melt on Mars, Jupiter and Pluto On 1/19/2013 3:52 AM, Roger

Re: Re: Does energy obey the laws of materialism ?

2013-01-20 Thread Roger Clough
the opposite - energy not being conserved would pose a harder challenge to materialism, because then you'd have to ask where it comes from and where it goes. On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Does energy obey the laws of materialism ? ? Energy?resents us

Re: Re: Escaping from the world of 3p Flatland

2013-01-20 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb All computations are abstract. - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-20, 14:44:33 Subject: Re: Escaping from the world of 3p Flatland On 1/20/2013 3:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I agree. It is always better to stick

Robot reading vs human reading

2013-01-20 Thread Roger Clough
of the reader. - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-20, 07:01:56 Subject: Re: Escaping from the world of 3p Flatland On 18 Jan 2013, at 13:29, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish Firstness is the mode of being of that which

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy

2013-01-20 Thread Roger Clough
AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Many are called, but few are chosen. You mean many are called in error by an omnipotent-yet-incompetent God, or that they are intentionally called and abandoned by a all-loving-yet-consistently-cruel-and-indifferent God? [Roger Clough], [rcl

Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy

2013-01-19 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Many are called, but few are chosen. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/19/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-18, 17:31

Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy

2013-01-19 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb God causes everything to happen, so good, evil, cholera, good health, etc. Some of these he prefers, some not. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/19/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From

Re: Re: Holy Smokes ! Automobile exhausts are causing polar ice capstoalso melt on Mars, Jupiter and Pluto

2013-01-19 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb IMHO the default position is that somebody has yet to prove that man's activities are warming the earth. Or even that the earth is warming beyond statistical possibility. Consider this data : [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/19/2013 Forever is a long time, especially

A God-limited God - My Theodicy

2013-01-18 Thread Roger Clough
, contingent world he has had to limit his powers of action. - Roger Clough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email

Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-18 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy It's not that complicated. The Revelation of John foretells the coming apocalypse. St Augustine and anybody else has to stick with that book, like it or not, unless, of course, liberalism has already destroyed you. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/18/2013

Re: Re: Re: Escaping from the world of 3p Flatland

2013-01-18 Thread Roger Clough
of that which is such as it is, in bringing a second and third into relation to each other. I believe 1p is Firstness (raw experience of cat) + Secondness (identification of the image cat with the word cast to oneself) and 3p = Thirdness (expression of cat to others) [Roger Clough], [rclo

Re: Re: Can there be multiple numbers ?

2013-01-18 Thread Roger Clough
restrictions . [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/18/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-17, 13:21:59 Subject: Re: Can there be multiple numbers

Re: Re: Holy Smokes ! Automobile exhausts are causing polar ice caps toalso melt on Mars, Jupiter and Pluto

2013-01-18 Thread Roger Clough
to find. Just look south between midnight and dawn on any clear night this month. Mars is that eye-catching red star, outshining everything around it. It's getting brighter every night as Earth and Mars converge for a close encounter on August 27th. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/18

Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-17 Thread Roger Clough
of the amount that one of the original functions is translated. Convolution is similar to cross-correlation. It has applications that include probability, statistics, c omputer vision, image and signal processing, electrical engineering, and differential equations. [Roger Clough], [rclo

Re: Re: Aquinas' analogy of being

2013-01-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal 1) To borrow from Dr. Johnson, matter exists out there because I can stub my toe on it. 2) And I should have said that is necessary for the world to operate properly. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/17/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end

Re: Re: Math- Computation- Mind - Geometry - Space - Matter

2013-01-17 Thread Roger Clough
two. Thus duplicates cannot be sustained. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/17/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-17, 07:16:49 Subject: Re

Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes I think we will run out of fresh water and food before we run out of fossil fuels. The ocean floors are covered with frozen methyl hydrates, for example. And there is an unlimited amount of nuclear power. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/17/2013 Forever

Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Ultimately the PEH. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/17/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-16, 17:47:35 Subject: Re: MWI

Re: Re: Can there be multiple numbers ?

2013-01-17 Thread Roger Clough
be distinct for the PEH to operate properly. 5) The PEH can only happen if there is only one, absolutely powerful God. 6) I hope I haven't missed anything. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/17/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following

Re: Algorithmic Thermodynamics

2013-01-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Cool. Go for it. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/17/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-16, 19:29:33 Subject

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error,it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Sorry, I'm missing your point. What is it ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/17/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-17

The tale of a monad. I'm not making this up :-)

2013-01-17 Thread Roger Clough
is that monads are always competing with one another, such that a more dominant one will beat down a weaker one. On the other hand, perhaps his guiding spirit will limit such actions. Etc. This is a my personal rendering of L's Theodicy, at least in part. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error,it should beTwoAspects Theory

2013-01-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg OK, I was just thinking in my old engineering frame of mind. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/17/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time

Re: Re: Math- Computation- Mind - Geometry - Space - Matter

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Alberto G. Corona These days, anything that smacks of authority is trashed. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list

the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
Hi socra...@bezeqint.net You want to know why nobody understands QM ? Because QM is nonphysical, but is treated as being physical. This might be called the curse of materialism. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen

God exists because 1p exists

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal I think that the critical question to ask is not Does God exist ?, but Does God necessarily exist ? IMHO God exists because 1p exists. together with 1p exists because 1p can think. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near

Re: Re: Are numbers substances ? Are quanta substances ?

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal That is only true in heaven, where time does not exist. Nothing could exist (on earth) if there were no time because things (physical or nonphysical) exist in time. That is what to exist means. To be there, dasein. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013

Re: Re: Math- Computation- Mind - Geometry - Space - Matter

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
could not say 1 = 1. A saving grace might be that one of those 1's is before, and the other, after the equal sign. That is, the numbers are distinguished by context. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen

Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
of the physical into its corresponding personal nonphysical state. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-15, 08:47:49

authority and pride

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
a. a judicial decision, statute, or rule of law that establishes a principle; precedent b. legal permission granted to a person to perform a specified act [from French autority, from Latin auctoritas, from auctor author] [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013 Forever is a long

Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
way, but it has nothing to do with being human. It is not even a brain in a vat. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list

Re: Re: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
considered as values of functions on phase space, but as eigenvalues; more precisely: as spectral values (point spectrum plus absolute continuous plus singular continuous spectrum) of linear operators in Hilbert space.[1] I am not able to understand that. [Roger Clough], [rclo

Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist OK, I was thinking about appying Leibniz to it. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01

Re: Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-16, 09:21:38 Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism I

quanta as a special type of monad

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
to collapse. This could be a collision of the wave with an object, or some random interference. But it does not require the creation of a complete universe, which would be unecessary as the situation is complete in itself. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013 Forever is a long time

Re: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist OK I'm fired. I leave the issue to you. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-16, 09:43:48

Re: Re: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal OK. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-16, 10:35:43 Subject: Re: the curse of materialism

Invoking the mnidle man

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
arrangement invoking the SM as middle man (more like a central processing chip) is that the monads, like software, are ideas, and ideas cannot directly interact with one another. But although monads have no windows, they effectively know everything. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013

Re: Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg I agree with you. I have no idea what Richard has in mind. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list

Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
was suggesting that the box be the convolution function, as in systems theory. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-16, 11:02

Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
Leibniz's perception isn't really instantly and continuous, it's more like a slide show. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything

Can there be multiple numbers ?

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-16, 10:59:12 Subject: Re: Math- Computation- Mind - Geometry - Space - Matter On 16 Jan 2013, at 13:13, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Specific properties, at least down here, are needed if you accept Leibniz' dictum that identical entities

Re: Re: Are numbers substances ? Are quanta substances ?

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-16, 10:57:41 Subject: Re: Are numbers substances ? Are quanta substances

Aquinas' analogy of being

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
that their doctrinal statements about God's nature were realistically true, while at the same time allowing for divine mystery. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno

Re: Re: God exists because 1p exists

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal I totally agree. Leibniz would say that God is the sufficient reason for the existence of the world and all in it. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content

How large (program length ?) a Turing Machine would you need to think ?

2013-01-15 Thread Roger Clough
How large (program length ?) a Turing Machine would you need to think ? Is complexity an issue with human thinking ? Is the brain's memory large enough to hold a lifetime of experiences ? http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=what-is-the-memory-capacity The human brain consists of

Re: Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-15 Thread Roger Clough
the energy stored in a compressed or extended spring. 3) Your description of energy release is the only fancy here. Seismometers record the wave motion of earthquakes. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/15/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving

Are numbers substances ? Are quanta substances ?

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
matter. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-13, 11:57:48 Subject: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should

Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Why not ? There are gravitational waves. But earthquakes usually initiate waves by the sudden release of potential energy. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content

Re: Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy A more powwerful way to steal from the future is to continue govt spending as it is. But to get back to the issue, I'll let the market decide. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen

Re: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King I agree with meeker on the nonduplicates of soul, which are as individual as DNA or fingerprints. And the identity of indescernibles. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving

Re: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King You can either be untroubled by the fact that innocent people die or suffer, or you can try to find meaning for why this can be so. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving

Re: Re: cognitive therapy

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes Burns' therapy is called cognitive therapy. I use it all of the time. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything

Re: Re: Re: cognitive therapy

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes Same here. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-14, 07:42:02 Subject: Re: Re

Idealism, theology, and the world of science

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
of mental events. But they deal with different turfs. K takes the phenomenol world and his philosophy of mind is essentially a very good and generally accepted teory of perception, [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen

Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist OK--- in the mind. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-13, 08:45:18 Subject: Re: Re: MWI

Re: Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist God is not righteous by what standards ? Yours? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013

Re: Math- Computation- Mind - Geometry - Space - Matter

2013-01-13 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Alberto G. Corona According to Kant, space and time are intuitions, not perceptions. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/13/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver

Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN

2013-01-13 Thread Roger Clough
some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/13/2013 Forever is a long time, especially

A brief synopsis of morphic resonance and the presence of the past according to the monadology.

2013-01-13 Thread Roger Clough
the homunculus to repeat the past. Here's your habits. In all the universe of monads acts like a computer program with the Supreme Monad as its central processing unit. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen -- You

Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-13 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy I always let the market decide. You can't go wrong that way. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/13/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy Receiver

It may quack like a duck, but it's only a duck when it hits the plate

2013-01-13 Thread Roger Clough
of the experiment is at the end when the wave hits the photographic plate. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/13/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013

Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN

2013-01-13 Thread Roger Clough
3:10 As it is written: There is no one righteous, not even one. And I am a prime example of that. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/13/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything

Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-13 Thread Roger Clough
must travel at the speed of light. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/13/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-12, 10:33:11 Subject: Re: MWI

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-13 Thread Roger Clough
to Sheldrake, and he speaks of morphic resonances. 5. Is the principle of sufficent reason. 6. Can't give a basis for this. 7. same as 4. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/13/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From

A Safely Underground Nuclear Reactor that runs on Nuclear waste

2013-01-13 Thread Roger Clough
Not to worry about running out of fuelat least for a few centureis.. Bill Gates explains Terrapower And The Traveling Wave Reactor A Safely Underground Nuclear Reactor that runs on Nuclear waste https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwRYtiSbbVg [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/13/2013

The vacuum energy: What is the aether or nothingness of space like?

2013-01-12 Thread Roger Clough
from spontaneous symmetry breaking in quantum field theory. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/10/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains viaacomputer

2013-01-12 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Complexity need not have anything to do with intelligence. The critical requirement is autonomy of choice. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From

Re: Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-12 Thread Roger Clough
The only tenet to faith is trust in God. Period. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-11, 15:47:58 Subject: Re

WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN

2013-01-12 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb As you observe, beliefs can be slippery, because reason is the devil's whore. That's why we Lutherans rely first on faith (trust in God). Second on the Bible. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen

MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-12 Thread Roger Clough
to create an additional physical world, since each can exist as aspects of the the same world, one moving in spactime and being physical, the other, like mind, moving simulataneously in the nonphysical world beyond spacetime. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 Forever is a long time

Re: Re: Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-12 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist OK, He would work. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-11, 13:54:47 Subject: Re: Re

Re: Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted frombrainsviaacomputer

2013-01-12 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist I believe that quantum waves are nonphysical. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01

Quntum waves are probability (mathemaqtical) waves, not physical waves

2013-01-12 Thread Roger Clough
a physical box. The probability waves have to conform to the dimensions of the box, but they are ghost-like waves of probability. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From

Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains viaacomputer

2013-01-12 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Good. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-12, 07:02:42 Subject: Re: Subjective states can

cognitive therapy

2013-01-12 Thread Roger Clough
. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-12, 07:05:18 Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God On 12 Jan

Re: Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-11 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb a= not or anti, so atheist is not a theist or is an antitheism. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/11/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013

Re: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-11 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal A life form is a soul of some type. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/11/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-10, 11:51:49

Re: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-11 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal A life field is similar to Sheldrake's morphisms, Leibniz's substances or L's monads or L's souls. The physical is that which is extended in space. Dreams, like mind or ideas, are not extended in space, so not physical. The rest I agree with you on. [Roger Clough

Re: Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-11 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal OK. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/11/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-10, 12:04:54 Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God

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