On Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:11:05 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 15 Feb 2013, at 22:14, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:20:12 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Feb 2013, at 23:37, Stephen P. King wrote, to Craig Weinberg
Baudrillard is not talking
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
I think that any debate that even considers word definitions to be real is a
waste of time.
If we're discussing cows but you understand by that word what most
people understand by the word sheep shouldn't we get this
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote:
Umm, are you OK with anthropomorphication... ? Let me ask a different
question: In your opinion, does the universe 'out there' have to have
properties that match up one-to-one with some finite list of
On 2/17/2013 4:17 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Stephen P. Kingstephe...@charter.net wrote:
Umm, are you OK with anthropomorphication... ? Let me ask a different
question: In your opinion, does the universe 'out there' have to have
properties that match
On 15 Feb 2013, at 22:14, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:20:12 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Feb 2013, at 23:37, Stephen P. King wrote, to Craig Weinberg
Baudrillard is not talking about consciousness in particular, only
the sum of whatever is in the
On 16 Feb 2013, at 01:01, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/15/2013 11:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 14 Feb 2013, at 22:00, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/14/2013 11:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Feb 2013, at 23:37, Stephen P. King wrote, to Craig Weinberg
Baudrillard is not talking about
On 2/17/2013 7:17 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote:
Umm, are you OK with anthropomorphication... ? Let me ask a different
question: In your opinion, does the universe 'out there' have to have
properties that match
On 2/17/2013 1:10 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/17/2013 4:17 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Stephen P.
Kingstephe...@charter.net wrote:
Umm, are you OK with anthropomorphication... ? Let me ask a
different
question: In your opinion, does the universe 'out
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
* *Wouldn’t Simulated Intelligence be a more appropriate term than
Artificial Intelligence?
Yes that euphemism [Simulated Intelligence] could have advantages, it
might make the last human being feel a little better about
On Friday, February 15, 2013 7:23:28 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 2/15/2013 4:07 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:01:30 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King
wrote:
On 2/13/2013 9:41 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 5:37:08
On 2/16/2013 2:17 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, February 15, 2013 7:23:28 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 2/15/2013 4:07 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:01:30 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul
King wrote:
On 2/13/2013 9:41 PM, Craig
On Saturday, February 16, 2013 6:46:46 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 2/16/2013 2:17 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, February 15, 2013 7:23:28 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 2/15/2013 4:07 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:01:30 PM
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote:
I meant if the table talks to you just like a person does, giving you
consistently interesting conversation and useful advice on a wide
variety of subjects. Unless it's a trick and there's a hidden speaker
On 2/15/2013 6:26 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote:
I meant if the table talks to you just like a person does, giving you
consistently interesting conversation and useful advice on a wide
variety of subjects. Unless
On 14 Feb 2013, at 22:00, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/14/2013 11:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Feb 2013, at 23:37, Stephen P. King wrote, to Craig Weinberg
Baudrillard is not talking about consciousness in particular,
only the sum of whatever is in the original which is not
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:01:30 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 2/13/2013 9:41 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 5:37:08 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 2/13/2013 5:21 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013
On Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:20:12 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Feb 2013, at 23:37, Stephen P. King wrote, to Craig Weinberg
Baudrillard is not talking about consciousness in particular, only the sum
of whatever is in the original which is not accessible in the copy. His
On Friday, February 15, 2013 12:23:44 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:
* *Wouldn’t Simulated Intelligence be a more appropriate term than
Artificial Intelligence?
Yes that euphemism could have advantages, it might make
On 2/15/2013 11:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 14 Feb 2013, at 22:00, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/14/2013 11:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Feb 2013, at 23:37, Stephen P. King wrote, to Craig Weinberg
Baudrillard is not talking about consciousness in particular, only
the sum of
On 2/15/2013 4:07 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:01:30 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King
wrote:
On 2/13/2013 9:41 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 5:37:08 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul
King wrote:
On 2/13/2013 5:21 PM, Craig
On 13 Feb 2013, at 20:44, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:46:23 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal
wrote:
On 13 Feb 2013, at 17:35, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Wouldn’t Simulated Intelligence be a more appropriate term than
Artificial Intelligence?
A better term would be
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:38:21 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
Whether the
intelligence has the same associated consciousness or not is a matter
for debate, but not the intelligence itself.
On 13 Feb 2013, at 23:40, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 5:11:32 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King
wrote:
On 2/13/2013 2:58 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/13/2013 8:35 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Wouldn�t Simulated Intelligence be a more appropriate term than
Artificial
On 13 Feb 2013, at 23:51, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/13/2013 5:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
[SPK wrote} What difference that makes a difference does that make
in the grand scheme of things? The point is that we cannot 'prove'
that we are not in a gigantic simulation. Yeah, we cannot prove
On 2/14/2013 10:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Feb 2013, at 23:51, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/13/2013 5:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
[SPK wrote} What difference that makes a difference does that
make in the grand scheme of things? The point is that we cannot
'prove' that we
On 13 Feb 2013, at 23:37, Stephen P. King wrote, to Craig Weinberg
Baudrillard is not talking about consciousness in particular, only
the sum of whatever is in the original which is not accessible in
the copy. His phrase 'profound reality' is apt though. If you don't
experience a profound
On 14 Feb 2013, at 17:02, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/14/2013 10:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Feb 2013, at 23:51, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/13/2013 5:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
[SPK wrote} What difference that makes a difference does that
make in the grand scheme of things? The
On 2/14/2013 11:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Feb 2013, at 23:37, Stephen P. King wrote, to Craig Weinberg
Baudrillard is not talking about consciousness in particular, only
the sum of whatever is in the original which is not accessible in
the copy. His phrase 'profound reality' is apt
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 2/13/2013 8:09 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
[SPK wrote: ]I like the idea of a Matrix universe exactly for that
reason; it takes resources to 'run' it. No free lunch, even for universes!!!
You can still
On 2/14/2013 5:45 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King
wrote:
On 2/13/2013 8:09 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
[SPK wrote: ]I like the idea of a Matrix universe exactly for
that reason; it takes resources to 'run'
On Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:03:51 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 2/14/2013 5:45 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King
wrote:
On 2/13/2013 8:09 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
[SPK wrote: ]I like the idea of a
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
I think you're conflating intelligence with consciousness.
Funny, someone else accused me of the same thing already today:
You've conflating 'real intelligence' with conscious experience.
Real or literal
On 2/14/2013 6:08 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
I don't think there are any models or systems at all. Not physically.
There are only presentations and re-presentations. Habits and inertia.
I agree, they cannot be physical at all, they are representations
not things-in-themselves (objects).
On Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:52:21 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 2/14/2013 6:08 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
I don't think there are any models or systems at all. Not physically.
There are only presentations and re-presentations. Habits and inertia.
I agree, they cannot
On Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:45:27 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
I think you're conflating intelligence with consciousness.
Funny, someone else accused me of the same thing already today:
On 2/14/2013 6:45 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
I think you're conflating intelligence with consciousness.
Funny, someone else accused me of the same thing already today:
You've conflating 'real intelligence' with
On 2/14/2013 9:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:52:21 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 2/14/2013 6:08 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
I don't think there are any models or systems at all. Not
physically.
There are only presentations and
On Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:17:08 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 2/14/2013 9:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:52:21 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 2/14/2013 6:08 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
I don't think there are any models or
On 2/14/2013 11:34 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:17:08 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King
wrote:
On 2/14/2013 9:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:52:21 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul
King wrote:
On 2/14/2013 6:08 PM, Craig
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
* *Wouldn’t Simulated Intelligence be a more appropriate term than
Artificial Intelligence?
Yes that euphemism could have advantages, it might make the last human
being feel a little better about himself just before the Jupiter
On 2/15/2013 12:23 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
* *Wouldn’t Simulated Intelligence be a more appropriate term
than Artificial Intelligence?
Yes that euphemism could have advantages, it might make
On 13 Feb 2013, at 17:35, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Wouldn’t Simulated Intelligence be a more appropriate term than
Artificial Intelligence?
A better term would be natural imagination. But terms are not
important.
Thinking of it objectively, if we have a program which can model a
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:46:23 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Feb 2013, at 17:35, Craig Weinberg wrote:
*Wouldn’t Simulated Intelligence be a more appropriate term than
Artificial Intelligence?*
A better term would be natural imagination. But terms are not important.
On 2/13/2013 8:35 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
*Wouldn’t Simulated Intelligence be a more appropriate term than Artificial
Intelligence?*
Thinking of it objectively, if we have a program which can model a hurricane, we would
call that hurricane a simulation, not an ‘artificial hurricane’. If we
On 2/13/2013 2:58 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/13/2013 8:35 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
*Wouldn’t Simulated Intelligence be a more appropriate term than
Artificial Intelligence?*
Thinking of it objectively, if we have a program which can model a
hurricane, we would call that hurricane a
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 2:58:28 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 2/13/2013 8:35 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
*Wouldn�t Simulated Intelligence be a more appropriate term than
Artificial Intelligence?*
Thinking of it objectively, if we have a program which can model a
hurricane, we
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 5:11:32 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 2/13/2013 2:58 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/13/2013 8:35 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
*Wouldn�t Simulated Intelligence be a more appropriate term than
Artificial Intelligence?*
Thinking of it objectively, if
On 2/13/2013 5:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
[SPK wrote} What difference that makes a difference does that make
in the grand scheme of things? The point is that we cannot 'prove'
that we are not in a gigantic simulation. Yeah, we cannot prove a
negative, but we can extract a lot
On 2/13/2013 5:21 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 2:58:28 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 2/13/2013 8:35 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
*Wouldn�t Simulated Intelligence be a more appropriate term
than Artificial Intelligence?*
Thinking of it objectively, if we
On 2/13/2013 5:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
[SPK wrote: ]'reality = best possible simulation.
I just realized how to translate that into my view: Reality = making
the most sense possible. Same thing really. That's why I talk about
multisense Realism, with Realism being the quality of
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 7:05:38 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 2/13/2013 5:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
[SPK wrote: ]'reality = best possible simulation.
I just realized how to translate that into my view: Reality = making the
most sense possible. Same thing really.
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 5:51:27 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 2/13/2013 5:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
[SPK wrote} What difference that makes a difference does that make in
the grand scheme of things? The point is that we cannot 'prove' that we are
not in a gigantic
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 5:37:08 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 2/13/2013 5:21 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 2:58:28 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 2/13/2013 8:35 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
*Wouldn�t Simulated Intelligence be a more
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
Wouldn’t Simulated Intelligence be a more appropriate term than Artificial
Intelligence?
Thinking of it objectively, if we have a program which can model a
hurricane, we would call that hurricane a simulation, not an
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:45:43 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
Wouldn’t Simulated Intelligence be a more appropriate term than
Artificial
Intelligence?
Thinking of it objectively, if we
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
Whether the
intelligence has the same associated consciousness or not is a matter
for debate, but not the intelligence itself.
I disagree. There is no internal intelligence there at all. Zero. There is a
recording
On 2/13/2013 8:09 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
[SPK wrote: ]I like the idea of a Matrix universe exactly for that
reason; it takes resources to 'run' it. No free lunch, even for
universes!!!
You can still have the idea of resources if the universe isn't a
simulation though. No
On 2/13/2013 9:41 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 5:37:08 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King
wrote:
On 2/13/2013 5:21 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 2:58:28 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 2/13/2013 8:35 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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