Re: What it Means to Live in a Virtual World Generated by Our Brain

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 6:37 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > That would imply that people in sensory deprivation tanks would dream. I > don't think they do though they experience sensory illusions. > > Of course the interesting question is why do we sleep. When you're asleep > you're not actually dep

Re: A question for Bruno

On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 11:38 PM, Charles Goodwin wrote: > Hi everyone and everything, I was discussing comp and similar things with > Liz the other day and we came across a sticking point in what I think (from > memory) is step 7 of the UDA. Maybe you can help? > > I'm assuming AR, "Yes, Doctor"

Re: "We spent a long time trying to convince ourselves this wasn’t real"

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:49 AM, John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 spudboy100 via Everything List > wrote: > >> > >> What do you feel would be the reaction of our species if magically, it >> gets determined that it is indeed Dyson builders? > > > It would be a very odd star system for the Ev

Re: "We spent a long time trying to convince ourselves this wasn’t real"

, as they do already with the fossil record, for example. And you? Cheers, Telmo. > > > -----Original Message- > From: Telmo Menezes > To: everything-list > Sent: Sun, Aug 7, 2016 1:14 pm > Subject: "We spent a long time trying to convince ourselves this wasn’t > rea

"We spent a long time trying to convince ourselves this wasn’t real"

What do you guys think of this? http://gizmodo.com/the-so-called-alien-megastructure-just-got-even-more-my-1784883811?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebook&utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow Cheers Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E

Re: That stupid diary

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 8:49 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > > >> > >> I am asking if you think that, for computationalism to be true, the >> diaries of the duplicates must be equal even after the duplic

Re: That stupid diary

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 10:14 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/31/2016 1:48 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > I would agree but Bruno wouldn't, according to him there is something about >> me that a physical machine can't duplicate, Bruno is clear as mud about &

Re: That stupid diary

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 9:32 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 4:48 AM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > > >>>> >> We make a copy of you. [...] >> >> >>> > >>> > >>> OK stop right there! Bruno says >>> &quo

Re: That stupid diary

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 4:25 AM, John Clark wrote: > O > n Sat, Jul 30, 2016 Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> > >> You have a set of memories >> >> about your past that we can refer to as your "diary". > > > But there is nothing in the laws of phy

Re: That stupid diary

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 6:42 PM, John Clark wrote: > For some reason Bruno takes great stock in a written diary "Diary" refers to a set of memories of the past that one recognizes as genuine, independently of how they are recorded. Bruno's argument does not rely on giving credence to some legalis

Re: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 15 Jul 2016, at 10:10, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Brent Meeker >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/14/2016 4:58 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 15/07/2016 8:31 pm, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 3:19 AM, Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >>> >>> On 15/07/2016 11:03 am, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> >>> Al

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 3:19 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 15/07/2016 11:03 am, Brent Meeker wrote: > > On 7/14/2016 5:07 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On 15/07/2016 9:42 am, Jason Resch wrote: > > I printed the following "Duplicate Questionnaire" and gave one to both > John-Washington, and John-Mo

Re: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/14/2016 4:58 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 8:25 PM, Brent Meeker >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 7/11/2016 10:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>> >

Re: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 8:25 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/11/2016 10:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 09 Jul 2016, at 18:35, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 6:11 PM, John Clark wrote: >>>> >>

Re: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 11:25 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 , Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> >> > >> I am sick of >> playing the game > > > Yes I know you said that before, but then why do you continue to play it? Human nature. > &g

Re: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 6:11 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 4:53 AM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > > >> > >> Thanks for illustrating what I just said. > > > What you just said was: > > " > Most sane people sooner or later realize that

Re: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 7:47 PM, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > >> John, >> Let us be completely honest here. You have more or less destroyed this >> mailing list. >> [ long long list of blather followed by]

Re: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

John, Let us be completely honest here. You have more or less destroyed this mailing list. It is not that you disagree with something, it is that you use manipulative techniques to score points (the only thing you really seem to care about): - You take people's sentences out of context and reply

Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

> For every sentence about how intelligent behavior works there are a thousand > about how consciousness works because theorizing about consciousness is many > orders of magnitude easier than theorizing about intelligence due to the > fact that intelligence theories actually have to perform while a

Re: 9 remarks on absolute idealism 2.0

Hi Peter, I think it's quite clear you're a fellow neo-platonist :) Your ideas touch many things that have been discussed on this mailing list throughout the years, especially Bruno Marchal's ideas. You diverge in many ways too. Just a couple of things that caught my attention: If I understand

Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:32 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 6/15/2016 9:25 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> Yes. The point of my crude simplification was to argue that, in the >> extreme, computationalism creates no more of a mystery about >> consciousness than ph

Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 1:33 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 15/06/2016 12:19 am, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:22 AM, Bruce Kellett >> >>> Assuming arithmetic does not even account for mind, much less account for >>> matter. Saying

Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 7:09 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 14 Jun 2016, at 16:19, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:22 AM, Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >>> >>> On 13/06/2016 7:12 am, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> On 6/12/2016

Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:22 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 13/06/2016 7:12 am, Brent Meeker wrote: > > On 6/12/2016 10:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > William S. Cooper, "The Origin of Reason" makes an argument that mathematics > is a way of brains thinking about things that was found by evolution

Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 7:14 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 6:11 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > >>> >> >>> It makes no difference if the physics is simulated or not; a simulated >>> calculation produces real arithmetic not simulated arithmetic and a >>> simulated brain will produce re

Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 9:39 PM, John Clark wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > > >>> > >>> > >>> But WHY? Why does a particular form of matter make it impossible for >>> hisconsciousness to exist

Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 4:37 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> > >> His >> [Bruno's] >> consciousness is a certain pattern of computational threads and these >> exist eternally (in PA or equivalent). Poisoning his material merely makes >> it impossible for

Re: Aaronson/Penrose

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 3/06/2016 4:39 pm, Brent Meeker wrote: > > Scott Aaronson's blog on his debate with Roger Penrose is probably of > interest to the list: > > “Can computers become conscious?”: My reply to Roger Penrose > June 2nd, 2016 > A few weeks ago, I

Re: Has the mind-body problem been solved (was Re: Has the mystery of Black Holes been solved?

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 8:58 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 6/1/2016 2:01 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Pierz wrote: > >> >> >> On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 4:44:33 AM UTC+10, Brent wrote: >>> >

Re: Has the mind-body problem been solved (was Re: Has the mystery of Black Holes been solved?

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Pierz wrote: > > > On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 4:44:33 AM UTC+10, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 5/31/2016 10:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> > >> > On 31 May 2016, at 00:36, Pierz wrote: >> > >> >> Clark v Marchal! I love this match-up. I predict it will go 47000 >>

Re: Bektashi Alevi

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:50 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > The Quran, Chapter 112 > > Say: He is Allah, the One! Allah, the eternally Besought of all! He > begetteth not nor was begotten. And there is none comparable unto Him

Re: Bektashi Alevi

> If you mean deliberately changing DNA with technology according to our whims, we've been doing this for centuries (millennia?) to other species and we already do it to humans in several ways. Not even mentioning many other forms of "tampering with creation" including surge

Re: Bektashi Alevi

Dear Samya, I am sorry to tell you but you are infected by a thought virus. I hope you are cured from it eventually. You state that the Quran is the ultimate source of truth. Many people claim, and have claimed, throughout the ages, that X is the ultimate source of truth. You are claiming that al

Re: God

God's Final Message After discovering that the people of the Universe were rather unhappy with their Universe, God set out to make sure they understood He hadn't purposefully tried to screw with them. And so He wrote the following message o

Re: Old Testament, New Testament & Quran: text analysis

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 09 Feb 2016, at 18:18, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Hi Samiya, > > We have to be careful. This uses a technique usually referred to as > "sentiment analysis" and sometimes as "opinion mining". Ther

Re: Old Testament, New Testament & Quran: text analysis

con Valley and the high priests are venture capitalists and CEOs. > Anyway a mind-work above the )materialistic?) human thinking. > Then we can start fabricating the 'machine-based' ARTIFICIAL. > I think we agree. Telmo. > > John M > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 12:1

Re: Old Testament, New Testament & Quran: text analysis

Hi Samiya, We have to be careful. This uses a technique usually referred to as "sentiment analysis" and sometimes as "opinion mining". There is extensive research on using it for things like election forecasting, and the results are not exactly encouraging... The idea is very interesting in itsel

Re: New prime number found

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:49 PM, John Mikes wrote: > >> JKC: is that so indeed? my minuscule math tells me that if something (any >> long number - or short) ends with a "1" then the* MINUS 1* of this &

Re: New prime number found

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:49 PM, John Mikes wrote: > JKC: is that so indeed? my minuscule math tells me that if something (any > long number - or short) ends with a "1" then the* MINUS 1* of this number > ends in a zero, dividable e.g. by 2, even 10 etc... 22 million digits??? > John, the number

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 10:17 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 5:11 AM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > > ​ >>> ​>> >>> be warned, your liberal membership card could be revoked; >>> >> >> ​> ​ >> Wow, that would ruin my da

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

[sorry my hand slipped and an incomplete email got sent] On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 6:05 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 Telmo Menezes wrote: > > ​>> ​ >>> if somebody is obviously struggling to find lame excuses to defend the >>> indefensible just

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 6:05 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 Telmo Menezes wrote: > > ​>> ​ >>> if somebody is obviously struggling to find lame excuses to defend the >>> indefensible just because it's a minority screaming about a >>>

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 1/5/2016 6:09 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 5:10 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 1/1/2016 3:11 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >>

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:17 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> ​> ​ >> And a conservative is against personal freedom, for war, the NSA, >> Homeland Security, and the Chicago police. Against immigrants, blacks, >> hispanics, women, gays, atheists

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:29 PM, John Clark wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 11:10 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: > > ​>> ​ >>> What if they are hyper-intelligent social insects, >> >> >> ​> ​ >> I don't think that's possible under Darwinian evolution. >> > > ​I don't see why Darwin would prevent i

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 5:10 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 1/1/2016 3:11 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:06 AM, Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/28/2015 5:30 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >&g

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:27 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 1/4/2016 2:47 PM, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 Telmo Menezes < > te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote: > > ​ >>> ​ >> ​ >>> Subjectivity, especially my subjectivity, is the

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

4, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > hehehe > > Sorry friends, but there is no better cure for a liberal than seeing his > own caricature in the face of another liberal slightly more radical > > 2016-01-04 1:16 GMT+01:00 John Clark : > >> >

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 1:16 AM, John Clark wrote: > > ​O​ > n Sun, Jan 3, 2016 Telmo Menezes wrote: > > ​>> ​ >>> but that is not to say I think ethics are unimportant, far from it, I >>> think subjectivity is vastly more important than objectivity. &g

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 8:31 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > > ​> >>>> ​>>​ >>>> ​ >>>> So you agree with our subjugation if a more advanced civilization >>>> discovers their w

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 5:19 AM, John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 Telmo Menezes wrote: > > ​> ​ >> So you agree with our subjugation if a more advanced civilization >> discovers their way to Earth? >> > > ​If I had to answer with one word it would be

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/28/2015 5:48 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/28/2015 2:53 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >&g

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:06 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/28/2015 5:30 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/28/2015 2:53 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >&g

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/28/2015 2:53 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/27/2015 3:56 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >&g

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/28/2015 2:53 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/27/2015 3:56 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >&g

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Pierz wrote: > > > On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 2:01:09 PM UTC+11, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/27/2015 5:49 PM, Pierz wrote: >> > The argument that the telescope should be built (or not) can only be >> > founded on values, not facts. Like JC, I value the pro

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/27/2015 3:56 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 7:04 AM, Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/23/2015 1:12 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >&g

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 7:04 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/23/2015 1:12 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 6:31 PM, John Clark wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 Telmo Menezes < >> te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote: >> &g

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 6:40 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 Telmo Menezes wrote: > > ​>>> ​ >>>> they >>>> ​ [the ​ >>>> Pirãha tribe >>>> ​]​ >>>> have absolutely no interest in anything our civili

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:14 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at Telmo Menezes wrote: > > ​> ​ >> You have the example of the Pirãha tribe, which is to this day a tribe of >> hunter-gatherers in the Amazon. Daniel Everett was the first researcher to >

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

​ > > > ​> ​ >> Many "barbarian" tribes look at our way of life and are not so impressed. >> > > Baloney. The third world is not uninterested in money, and the reason the > third dislikes the first is that one has it and the other wants it. > Well, Switzerland and Sweden don't seem to have any

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On 24 December 2015 at 22:54, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 4:24 AM, John Clark wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 Telmo Menezes wrote: >>>

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 4:24 AM, John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 Telmo Menezes wrote: > > >> ​> ​ >> All I am saying is that ramming things down people's throats isn't >> working out so well. >> > > ​Civilized ​people wanted the Thi

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 6:31 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 Telmo Menezes wrote: > > ​> >>>> ​>>​ >>>> ​ >>>> and their land is not your land. >>>> >>> >>> ​ >>> ​>> ​ >>>

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 7:39 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 Telmo Menezes wrote: > > ​> ​ >> Disappointing, >> > > ​And infuriating and worthy of my utter contempt for the native > barbarian ignoramuses who destroyed the magnificent Thirty Meter

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:22 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/22/2015 4:31 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 1:07 AM, John Clark wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Telmo Menezes < >> te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote: &

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 1:07 AM, John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > > >> ​> ​ >> In realty, 16th century Spaniards couldn't give a rat's ass about human >> rights. >> > > ​True without the sligh

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 10:48 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/22/2015 1:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> It wasn't their land either until they conquered whoever was there before >>

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 9:55 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 Brent Meeker wrote: > > ​> ​ >> It wasn't their land either until they conquered whoever was there before >> them. The "prime directive" was to not interfere in another culture...it >> didn't say anything about replacing

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

ace a government, or perform financial warfare or whatever...) I have so much confidence in our culture that I believe we can lead by example. Telmo. > > Brent > > > > > On 12/22/2015 5:34 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Disappointing, but I imagine a truly advanced civil

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

y tales. > Agreed. > We don't KNOW a lot, but exercise violence in cases we THINK we KNOW. > Agreed. > Also: we are far, far away from seeing clearly and acting on reason. > Agreed. Telmo. > John M > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Telmo Menezes >

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

Disappointing, but I imagine a truly advanced civilization to have something akin to the "prime directive" à la Star Trek. And respect the fact that, superstitious and unsophisticated as the other cultures might appear to you, they were there first and their land is not your land. We might have to

Re: Debate questions.

from religious, > fanatic, hostiles. > But is there any evidence that this is the case? Cheers, Telmo. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Telmo Menezes > To: everything-list > Sent: Sun, Nov 29, 2015 6:29 pm > Subject: Re: Debate questions. > > &

Re: Debate questions.

ng Islamist aggression, or acts by China in the > Pacific, or Mother Russia, but are ever, against the US military, the UK, > etc. > > In any case, may you have a Joyous, Newtomas Season (The season of > reason?), though, I prefer a holiday that invokes Hugh Everett, or

Re: Debate questions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pji_IX-UacM On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 5:36 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 11/28/2015 6:28 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: > > One could ask the Dems directly - > Ms Clinton-What do accept money for the Clinton Foundation from the > Saudi's ? > > > I

Re: A breakthrough in computer science?

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 6:50 PM, John Clark wrote: > László Babai says he's found a > ​​ > algorithm that can solve the Graph > ​ ​ > Isomorphism > ​ ​ > Problem > ​ ​ > in > ​ ​ > Quasi-polynomial > ​ ​ > Time, that is to say the difficulty in solving > ​the problem​ > > ​would ​ > grow with th

Re: The desert island amnesiac - a multiverse parable

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 2:57 AM, Pierz wrote: > > > On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 8:48:49 PM UTC+11, telmo_menezes wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Pierz wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 5:27:04 AM UTC+11, telmo_menezes wrote: >>> On Sun, Nov

Re: Fwd: experimental study contradicts global workspace theory

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 1:38 AM, Russell Standish wrote: > The study demonstrate that the P3b signal may well not be a neural > correlate of consciousness, but doesn't contradict my understanding of > the global workspace theory (that consciousness is a means for global > coordination of the brain

Re: The desert island amnesiac - a multiverse parable

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Pierz wrote: > > > On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 5:27:04 AM UTC+11, telmo_menezes wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 3:14 AM, Pierz wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 11:20:32 PM UTC+11, telmo_menezes wrote: On Sat, O

Re: The desert island amnesiac - a multiverse parable

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 3:14 AM, Pierz wrote: > > > On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 11:20:32 PM UTC+11, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 5:19 AM, Pierz wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 1:01:08 PM UTC+11, Brent wrote: On 10/30/2015

Re: The desert island amnesiac - a multiverse parable

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 5:19 AM, Pierz wrote: > > > On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 1:01:08 PM UTC+11, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/30/2015 5:39 AM, Pierz wrote: >> >> So imagine a guy washed up on a small desert island after a plane crash. >> Unfortunately during the plane crash he suffered a

Re: Mandela effect?

On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 04 Oct 2015, at 15:26, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 1:26 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> As the simulation runs at the spe

Re: Mandela effect?

On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > 2015-10-04 15:26 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes : > >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 1:26 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List < >> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> As the

Re: Mandela effect?

inst despair. I agree. > Consider this a super-goal, perhaps one that is best resolved by > hypercomputing. This utilizes both the cerebrum and the amygdala, to > achieve this goal. We use the cerebrum to discover, we use the amygdala to > decide when we are pleased with the res

Re: Mandela effect?

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > Never heard of it before. > > http://www.skeptic.com/insight/the-mandela-effect/ > I have heard about it, and found it silly (I agree with the link and with what Bruno said). It is fun to see how the Internet enables kids to explore weird

Re: A scary theory about IS

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 9/27/2015 12:55 PM, John Mikes wrote: > > Bruno, it seems I cannot shake you out from the 'classical' format that > -WHOEVER (Nominative, not: "whomever" which is Accusative) *lies* > himself into getting the (questionable?) majority

Re: Violation of Bell inequality. Last big progress.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:58 PM, John Clark wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > http://arxiv.org/abs/1508.05949v1 >> >> ​> ​ >> But of course, this does not make Einstein wrong. This shows local non >> locality, so to speak, >> > > ​No, it does make Einstein wro

Re: seizing private pensions

Hi Brent, This is common practice in Europe, it just might be more or less blatantly done. My mother had her pension cut several times in the last few years. Even though she payed full contributions her entire life, at some point the state decides it needs the money for other stuff and that's that

Re: Some questions on ontology of dreams

Hi Brian, That's an interesting question. My take is this: I think trying to understand that experience is like trying to understand what it feels like to be an amoeba. It's just too alien. We have some clues. For example, it is known that if children don't learn a language until a certain age, t

Re: The Mental Being

On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 10:31 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 8/16/2015 11:13 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > >> >> and yes they were totalitarian and many atheists claim not to be. They >> killed to support atheism, which is indisputable, >> >> >> I

Re: The Mental Being

> > and yes they were totalitarian and many atheists claim not to be. They > killed to support atheism, which is indisputable, > > > It's not only disputable, it's unevidenced. They didn't care what people > believed about the supernatural, just so they didn't oppose the regime. > Brent, I am not

Re: The Girard-Boole

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 2:06 AM, John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 Telmo Menezes wrote: > > >> ​> ​ >> if he >> ​ [Bruno]​ >> slips back to talking like a normal person you have this shitty argument >> ready to deploy. > > > ​

The Girard-Boole

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:12 AM, John Clark > wrote: > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > ​ >> > The question is asked to any entity, or machines, before they undergo a >> duplication. The question is: what do you expect to live. >> > > The question is why does > ​ > Bruno Marchal >

Re: FPI & possible continuations

Hi Terren, I won't try to answer but instead increase the scope of the question. Could it also apply to the past? Could there be many (infinite?) possible histories that lead to the current state of affairs, but until you learn about, say, the Mongol invasions then the Mongol invasions are just a

Quantum Bayesianism

http://www.wired.com/2015/06/private-view-quantum-reality/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To po

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

> On 10 Jun 2015, at 09:51, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > >> On 10 Jun 2015, at 01:40, LizR wrote: >> >>> On 10 June 2015 at 11:38, meekerdb wrote: >>>> On 6/9/2015 2:25 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:15

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

> On 10 Jun 2015, at 01:51, Russell Standish wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 09:39:37AM +1000, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >>> On 10 June 2015 at 08:37, LizR wrote: >>> >>> The normal answer to this is as stated - a superintelligence may form, as >>> per various Arthur C Clark (or Olaf S

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

> On 10 Jun 2015, at 01:38, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 6/9/2015 2:25 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:15 PM, John Clark wrote: >>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> >>>> > Supe

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Terren Suydam >> wrote: >> >>> Perhaps most superintelligences end up merging into o

<    1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   >