Re: The world is in the brain

On 17 Apr 2013, at 19:39, meekerdb wrote: On 4/17/2013 8:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Apr 2013, at 08:41, Russell Standish wrote: Primarily where you assert that conscious states supervening on recordings are an absurdity. There are some other places where intuition has cropped up, bu

Re: The world is in the brain

On 4/17/2013 8:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Apr 2013, at 08:41, Russell Standish wrote: Primarily where you assert that conscious states supervening on recordings are an absurdity. There are some other places where intuition has cropped up, but that seems to be the main one. In the com

Re: The world is in the brain

On 17 Apr 2013, at 08:41, Russell Standish wrote: Primarily where you assert that conscious states supervening on recordings are an absurdity. There are some other places where intuition has cropped up, but that seems to be the main one. In the comp frame. It is absurd because there is no co

Re: The world is in the brain

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:41:55 AM UTC-4, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 01:41:07PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 16 Apr 2013, at 04:14, Russell Standish wrote: > > > > >On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 02:41:19PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>Yo

Re: The world is in the brain

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 01:41:07PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 16 Apr 2013, at 04:14, Russell Standish wrote: > > >On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 02:41:19PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> > >> > >>You cannot be more right on this. It has been part of my job to show > >>that if the brain is Turi

Re: The world is in the brain

On 16 Apr 2013, at 04:14, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 02:41:19PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: You cannot be more right on this. It has been part of my job to show that if the brain is Turing emulable, then the interior experience is not at all isomorphic to brain activity.

Re: The world is in the brain

On 15 Apr 2013, at 20:33, meekerdb wrote: On 4/15/2013 5:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: There are other reason as well. A Newtonian physics uses action at a distance, arguably a non comp phenomenon. Why would comp not accommodate action at a distance? It does, but only due to the FPI. I am

Re: The world is in the brain

On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 02:41:19PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > You cannot be more right on this. It has been part of my job to show > that if the brain is Turing emulable, then the interior experience > is not at all isomorphic to brain activity. It is already done > explicitely in step sev

Re: The world is in the brain

On 4/15/2013 5:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: There are other reason as well. A Newtonian physics uses action at a distance, arguably a non comp phenomenon. Why would comp not accommodate action at a distance? Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E

Re: The world is in the brain

On 15 Apr 2013, at 02:38, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, April 14, 2013 1:27:24 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Apr 2013, at 00:05, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, April 13, 2013 6:47:47 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:18, Craig Weinberg wrote: With comp

Re: The world is in the brain

On 14 Apr 2013, at 23:45, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 15/04/2013, at 3:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: But of course that is not the case, as comp might be false, logically. Indeed, it can be shown refutable, and if the evidences were that physics is Newtonian, I would say that comp would

Re: The world is in the brain

On Sunday, April 14, 2013 1:27:24 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 14 Apr 2013, at 00:05, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Saturday, April 13, 2013 6:47:47 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:18, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> With comp, matter relies on the num

Re: The world is in the brain

On 15/04/2013, at 3:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > But of course that is not the case, as comp might be false, logically. > Indeed, it can be shown refutable, and if the evidences were that physics is > Newtonian, I would say that comp would be quite doubtful. Why? -- You received this mess

Re: The world is in the brain

On 14 Apr 2013, at 00:05, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, April 13, 2013 6:47:47 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:18, Craig Weinberg wrote: With comp, matter relies on the numbers law, or Turing equivalent. Matter also relies on geometry, which comp cannot provide.

Re: The world is in the brain

On Saturday, April 13, 2013 6:47:47 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:18, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > >>> With comp, matter relies on the numbers law, or Turing equivalent. >>> >> >> Matter also relies on geometry, which comp cannot provide. >> >> >> ? >> > > Does that mean

Re: The world is in the brain

On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:18, Craig Weinberg wrote: With comp, matter relies on the numbers law, or Turing equivalent. Matter also relies on geometry, which comp cannot provide. ? Does that mean you think that comp can generate geometry, or that matter doesn't relay on geometry? "comp can g

Re: The world is in the brain

On Friday, April 12, 2013 10:40:33 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:15, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:54:17 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: >> >> > On 10.04.2013 22:52 Telmo Menezes s

Re: The world is in the brain

On 12.04.2013 16:01 Telmo Menezes said the following: On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 23:59 meekerdb said the following: On 4/10/2013 1:55 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 22:52 Telmo Menezes said the following: ... I suspect life is just meani

Re: The world is in the brain

On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:15, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:54:17 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > On 10.04.2013 22:52 Telmo Menezes said the following: > > ... > >> I suspect life is just meaningless from the outside. I'd s

Re: The world is in the brain

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > On 10.04.2013 23:59 meekerdb said the following: > >> On 4/10/2013 1:55 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: >>> >>> On 10.04.2013 22:52 Telmo Menezes said the following: >>> >>> ... >>> I suspect life is just meaningless from the outside. I'd say

Re: The world is in the brain

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:20 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 4/11/2013 2:44 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:22 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 4/11/2013 7:32 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> On 4/10/2013 2:08 PM, Terre

Re: The world is in the brain

On 4/11/2013 2:44 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:22 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 4/11/2013 7:32 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 4/10/2013 2:08 PM, Terren S

Re: The world is in the brain

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:22 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 4/11/2013 7:32 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 4/10/2013 2:08 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: >> >> Hi Telmo, >> >> Yes, those are good counter examples. >> >> But I think to say "pain and

Re: The world is in the brain

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 5:22:47 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 4/11/2013 7:32 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM, meekerdb > > wrote: > >> On 4/10/2013 2:08 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: >> >> Hi Telmo, >> >> Yes, those are good counter examples. >> >> But I t

Re: The world is in the brain

On 4/11/2013 7:32 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 4/10/2013 2:08 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi Telmo, Yes, those are good counter examples. But I think to say "pain and pleasure are fine-tuned by evolu

Re: The world is in the brain

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:38:26 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 17:13, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:54:43 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 10 Apr 2013, at 15:32, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:

Re: The world is in the brain

On 11 Apr 2013, at 17:13, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:54:43 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Apr 2013, at 15:32, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:15:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Apr 2013, at 20:48, Craig Weinberg wrote: On

Re: The world is in the brain

On 10.04.2013 22:58 meekerdb said the following: On 4/10/2013 1:38 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 22:34 meekerdb said the following: On 4/10/2013 1:18 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 07:16 meekerdb said the following: On 4/9/2013 12:19 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... You'

Re: The world is in the brain

On 10.04.2013 23:59 meekerdb said the following: On 4/10/2013 1:55 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 22:52 Telmo Menezes said the following: ... I suspect life is just meaningless from the outside. I'd say that pain and pleasure are fine-tunned by evolution to maximise the survivability

Re: The world is in the brain

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:54:17 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > > > On 10.04.2013 22:52 Telmo Menezes said the following: > > > > ... > > > >> I suspect life is just meaningless from the outside. I'd say that > >> pain and pleasure

Re: The world is in the brain

On 10 Apr 2013, at 23:57, meekerdb wrote: On 4/10/2013 1:36 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: This is close to an idea I have been mulling over for some time... that the source of the phenomenological feeling of pleasure is in some way identified with decreases in entropy, and pain is in some way

Re: The world is in the brain

On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 22:52 Telmo Menezes said the following: ... I suspect life is just meaningless from the outside. I'd say that pain and pleasure are fine-tunned by evolution to maximise the survivability of species in an environment that is largel

Re: The world is in the brain

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:54:43 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 10 Apr 2013, at 15:32, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:15:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 09 Apr 2013, at 20:48, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, April 8, 2013 5:38:

Re: The world is in the brain

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Terren Suydam > wrote: > > Hi Telmo, > > > > Yes, those are good counter examples. > > > > But I think to say "pain and pleasure are fine-tuned by evolution..." is > a > > sleight of hand. Pain and pleasure

Re: The world is in the brain

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:57 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 4/10/2013 1:36 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: > >> This is close to an idea I have been mulling over for some time... that >> the source of the phenomenological feeling of pleasure is in some way >> identified with decreases in entropy, and pain is

Re: The world is in the brain

On 10 Apr 2013, at 15:32, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:15:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Apr 2013, at 20:48, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, April 8, 2013 5:38:44 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Apr 2013, at 19:20, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > On 07.04

Re: The world is in the brain

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 4/10/2013 2:08 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: > > Hi Telmo, > > Yes, those are good counter examples. > > But I think to say "pain and pleasure are fine-tuned by evolution..." is > a sleight of hand. Pain and pleasure are phenomenological primiti

Re: The world is in the brain

On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:38:46 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 4/10/2013 3:26 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:08:31 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: >> >> On 4/10/2013 2:08 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: >> >> Hi Telmo, >> >> Yes, those are good counter examples. >>

Re: The world is in the brain

On 4/10/2013 3:26 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:08:31 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 4/10/2013 2:08 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi Telmo, Yes, those are good counter examples. But I think to say "pain and pleasure are fine-tuned by evolution..." is a slei

Re: The world is in the brain

On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:08:31 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 4/10/2013 2:08 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: > > Hi Telmo, > > Yes, those are good counter examples. > > But I think to say "pain and pleasure are fine-tuned by evolution..." is > a sleight of hand. Pain and pleasure are phenome

Re: The world is in the brain

Evgeniy, I did not read the paper either, but fundmentally agree with your evaluation - not in toto, of course. I even take it further: THE WORLD is in the MIND (not brain, see my reflection to Bruno below) and it is individually different for EACH OF US, as our "mini-solipsism" - the way we, in ou

Re: The world is in the brain

On 4/10/2013 2:08 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi Telmo, Yes, those are good counter examples. But I think to say "pain and pleasure are fine-tuned by evolution..." is a sleight of hand. Pain and pleasure are phenomenological primitives. If evolution created those primitives, how did it do that?

Re: The world is in the brain

On 4/10/2013 1:55 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 22:52 Telmo Menezes said the following: ... I suspect life is just meaningless from the outside. I'd say that pain and pleasure are fine-tunned by evolution to maximise the survivability of species in an environment that is largely also

Re: The world is in the brain

On 4/10/2013 1:36 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: This is close to an idea I have been mulling over for some time... that the source of the phenomenological feeling of pleasure is in some way identified with decreases in entropy, and pain is in some way identified with increases in entropy. It is a way

Re: The world is in the brain

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: > Hi Telmo, > > Yes, those are good counter examples. > > But I think to say "pain and pleasure are fine-tuned by evolution..." is a > sleight of hand. Pain and pleasure are phenomenological primitives. If > evolution created those primitives,

Re: The world is in the brain

On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 4:36:47 PM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote: > > This is close to an idea I have been mulling over for some time... that > the source of the phenomenological feeling of pleasure is in some way > identified with decreases in entropy, and pain is in some way identified > w

Re: The world is in the brain

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > On 10.04.2013 22:52 Telmo Menezes said the following: > > > ... > >> I suspect life is just meaningless from the outside. I'd say that >> pain and pleasure are fine-tunned by evolution to maximise the >> survivability of species in an envir

Re: The world is in the brain

Hi Telmo, Yes, those are good counter examples. But I think to say "pain and pleasure are fine-tuned by evolution..." is a sleight of hand. Pain and pleasure are phenomenological primitives. If evolution created those primitives, how did it do that? By what mechanism? Another way to think of thi

Re: The world is in the brain

On 4/10/2013 1:38 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 22:34 meekerdb said the following: On 4/10/2013 1:18 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 07:16 meekerdb said the following: On 4/9/2013 12:19 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... I have seen that this could be traced to Schrödinger’s W

Re: The world is in the brain

On 10.04.2013 22:52 Telmo Menezes said the following: ... I suspect life is just meaningless from the outside. I'd say that pain and pleasure are fine-tunned by evolution to maximise the survivability of species in an environment that is largely also generated by evolution. It's a strange loop.

Re: The world is in the brain

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: > This is close to an idea I have been mulling over for some time... that the > source of the phenomenological feeling of pleasure is in some way identified > with decreases in entropy, and pain is in some way identified with increases > in en

Re: The world is in the brain

On 10.04.2013 22:36 Terren Suydam said the following: This is close to an idea I have been mulling over for some time... that the source of the phenomenological feeling of pleasure is in some way identified with decreases in entropy, and pain is in some way identified with increases in entropy. I

Re: The world is in the brain

On 10.04.2013 22:34 meekerdb said the following: On 4/10/2013 1:18 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 07:16 meekerdb said the following: On 4/9/2013 12:19 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... I have seen that this could be traced to Schrödinger’s What is Life?, reread his chapter on Order, Di

Re: The world is in the brain

This is close to an idea I have been mulling over for some time... that the source of the phenomenological feeling of pleasure is in some way identified with decreases in entropy, and pain is in some way identified with increases in entropy. It is a way to map the subjective experience of pain and

Re: The world is in the brain

On 4/10/2013 1:18 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 07:16 meekerdb said the following: On 4/9/2013 12:19 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... I have seen that this could be traced to Schrödinger’s What is Life?, reread his chapter on Order, Disorder and Entropy and made my comments http://bl

Re: The world is in the brain

On 10.04.2013 07:16 meekerdb said the following: On 4/9/2013 12:19 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... I have seen that this could be traced to Schrödinger’s What is Life?, reread his chapter on Order, Disorder and Entropy and made my comments http://blog.rudnyi.ru/2013/04/schrodinger-disorder-and

Re: The world is in the brain

On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:15:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 09 Apr 2013, at 20:48, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Monday, April 8, 2013 5:38:44 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 07 Apr 2013, at 19:20, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: >> >> > On 07.04.2013 19:12 meekerdb said the

Re: The world is in the brain

On 09 Apr 2013, at 21:19, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.04.2013 11:38 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 07 Apr 2013, at 19:20, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.04.2013 19:12 meekerdb said the following: On 4/6/2013 11:54 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.04.2013 02:40 Craig Weinberg said the fo

Re: The world is in the brain

On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:16:48 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 4/9/2013 12:19 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > > On 08.04.2013 11:38 Bruno Marchal said the following: > >> > >> On 07 Apr 2013, at 19:20, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > >> > >>> On 07.04.2013 19:12 meekerdb said the following: >

Re: The world is in the brain

On 09 Apr 2013, at 20:48, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, April 8, 2013 5:38:44 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Apr 2013, at 19:20, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > On 07.04.2013 19:12 meekerdb said the following: >> On 4/6/2013 11:54 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: >>> On 07.04.2013 02:40 Craig Wei

Re: The world is in the brain

On 4/9/2013 12:19 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.04.2013 11:38 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 07 Apr 2013, at 19:20, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.04.2013 19:12 meekerdb said the following: On 4/6/2013 11:54 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.04.2013 02:40 Craig Weinberg said the followin

Re: The world is in the brain

On 08.04.2013 11:38 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 07 Apr 2013, at 19:20, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.04.2013 19:12 meekerdb said the following: On 4/6/2013 11:54 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.04.2013 02:40 Craig Weinberg said the following: Ok, here's my modified version of Fig 11

Re: The world is in the brain

On Monday, April 8, 2013 5:38:44 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 07 Apr 2013, at 19:20, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > > > On 07.04.2013 19:12 meekerdb said the following: > >> On 4/6/2013 11:54 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > >>> On 07.04.2013 02:40 Craig Weinberg said the following: > Ok,

Re: The world is in the brain

On 07 Apr 2013, at 19:20, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.04.2013 19:12 meekerdb said the following: On 4/6/2013 11:54 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.04.2013 02:40 Craig Weinberg said the following: Ok, here's my modified version of Fig 11 http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/3

Re: The world is in the brain

On Sunday, April 7, 2013 2:54:08 AM UTC-4, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > > On 07.04.2013 02:40 Craig Weinberg said the following: > > Ok, here's my modified version of Fig 11 > > > > http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/33ost_diagram.jpg > > > > I believe that you have understood t

Re: The world is in the brain

On 07.04.2013 19:12 meekerdb said the following: On 4/6/2013 11:54 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.04.2013 02:40 Craig Weinberg said the following: Ok, here's my modified version of Fig 11 http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/33ost_diagram.jpg I believe that you have under

Re: The world is in the brain

On 4/6/2013 11:54 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.04.2013 02:40 Craig Weinberg said the following: Ok, here's my modified version of Fig 11 http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/33ost_diagram.jpg I believe that you have understood the paper wrong. The authors literally believe

Re: The world is in the brain

On 07.04.2013 02:40 Craig Weinberg said the following: Ok, here's my modified version of Fig 11 http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/33ost_diagram.jpg I believe that you have understood the paper wrong. The authors literally believe that the observed 3D world is geometrically

Re: The world is in the brain

Ok, here's my modified version of Fig 11 http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/33ost_diagram.jpg Craig On Saturday, April 6, 2013 1:45:12 PM UTC-4, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > > Fingelkurts, A., Fingelkurts, A., and Neves, C. (2010). “Natural World > Physical, Brain Operational, and

Re: The world is in the brain

On Saturday, April 6, 2013 6:46:37 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 4/6/2013 10:45 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > > Fingelkurts, A., Fingelkurts, A., and Neves, C. (2010). �Natural World > Physical, Brain > > Operational, and Mind Phenomenal Space-Time�. *Physics of Life > Reviews* 7(2): 195-24

Re: The world is in the brain

On 4/6/2013 10:45 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Fingelkurts, A., Fingelkurts, A., and Neves, C. (2010). “Natural World Physical, Brain Operational, and Mind Phenomenal Space-Time”. *Physics of Life Reviews* 7(2): 195-249. http://scireprints.lu.lv/141/1/Fingelkurts_Space-time_in_Physics_brain_and_mi

Re: The world is in the brain

I like that diagram, and I think its a step in the right direction... but... it does not explain why phenomenal consciousness should be considered to resemble space-time. It really doesn't. To the contrary, spatiotemporal memories merge seamlessly with imaginary places and times, or non-places