Re: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia
If it is truly non regenerative anemia a blood transfusion will only buy her a short amount of time because, as my vet told me, she will be unable to remake the red blood cells once they die off. Mine went downhill pretty fast with nonregenerative anemia. We tried antiobiotics just in case it was hemobartonella, but it did nothing. I had their blood check twice a week, but they were gone within 3 weeks. What was her PCV? It usually is very low if they are to the point of eating litter. Give her lots of love make sure she is not suffering. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Susan Loesch pipercat...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:56 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia Hello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a positive who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local shelter...she had begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been tested when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was positive but no followup care or testing was done. We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not bad enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely non-regenerative. We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she came in with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her life will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well. SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what do you recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have always found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only marginally with Felv. Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [FeLVPositiveCats] Too little appetite
Good luck. Thank you for caring so much for her. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Avaykn ava...@gmail.com To: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com Cc: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] [FeLVPositiveCats] Too little appetite Thank you for all your advice. I did give her dry kibbles last night and she did eat them. I'm taking her to my regular vet at 4:30 today and I just got off the phone with our holistic vet who also recommended taking her to get some blood work done as well as a B12 shot. Please keep Kitty in your thoughts and prayers that all is normal and she is just being finicky. Thanks Mally Sent from my iPhone. On Feb 27, 2014, at 9:19, Andrew Werner bayou_rif...@yahoo.com wrote: You might want to try baby food. Look at the label and get some without added onion (onion can cause a kind of anemia in cats). Sometimes 5-6 seconds in the microwave to make it smell better helps. Last resort - try dry kibble. Some of ours see that stuff the way we see potato chips - greasy and good-tasting. If Kitty does go for the kibble, provide water along with it to avoid dehydration and/or urinary problems. I do not know where you are located but if you are someplace where Spring is coming and the weather is changing, be aware that they sense that kind of thing and might change their dietary habits in response. Best of luck. Purrs to you and yours Andrew of Andrew Lizzie Purrkins Diesel Cat, Fuzzy-Xena, Zoro, Zippy, Wellington, Alfred, Bobby, Tactical, Suzi-Q, Pinkie, Morse, Lillian, Ichabod, Dorothy, and Rasputin - in East Bernard, Texas USA From: Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com To: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:15 PM Subject: [FeLVPositiveCats] Too little appetite Hello everyone, Kitty, our little 19 months old FeLV positive cat, has for the past three days been eating less than usual. I have tried all sort of new canned foods but she eats a little bit and then walks away. She will eat maybe 1/3 of what she would normally eat in one meal then walk away sometimes she comes back to it but mostly she will want something else. If I give it to her in a new bowl she might it or not. She has not stopped eating all together but I'm concerned that she is not eating as much as previously. She plays, poops and pees, does not hide, is otherwise her usual adorable self. Has anyone seen these signs before? I don't know if i should take her to the vet or wait. Thanks, Malls and Kitty. Sent from my iPad Yahoo Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FeLVPositiveCats/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FeLVPositiveCats/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: felvpositivecats-dig...@yahoogroups.com felvpositivecats-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: felvpositivecats-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo Groups is subject to: https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/ __._,_.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (3) Visit Your Group • Privacy • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use . __,_._,___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia
My cats had Epogen. It did nothing with the nonregenerative anemia. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: lernermiche...@aol.com lernermiche...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia Does Epogen help if it's not kidney elated? LTCI says it helps if the anemia is severe. I have one dose of it I can send you to get started if you decide to go that route but it would only help if you get more. I aw it help wit boosting wbc. Anyone on the lit haf it help with rbc? Pet Tinic If it's nonregenerative due to lymphoma i the bone marrow, dexamethasone or prednisone will help for a while. Michelle -Original Message- From: Susan Loesch pipercat...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:56 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia Hello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a positive who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local shelter...she had begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been tested when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was positive but no followup care or testing was done. We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not bad enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely non-regenerative. We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she came in with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her life will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well. SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what do you recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have always found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only marginally with Felv. Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vitamins Recommendation
I'd be careful about giving Pet-Tinic as a eneral supplement. It's high in iron. unless they are anemic. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Suzy's Zoo in SC
it sounds like she has taken quite a few cats just from people you are associated with. That would be a concern to me. Maybe taking too many. These places really need secondary people overseeing finances day to day operations. There is one well known rescue I know of that has a fb page was featured on the Halo Pets site,. I have a friend who drove 10 hrs to take a dog there. She returned home with the dog. She said there was no way she could leave it there. Lesson learned. Be really carefil always make sure you visit the place in person. She may be great, but you really can't tell unless you go there. Beth Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] euthanized Shallie Marie, yesterday the last of my
So sorry! My thoughts are with you the fur baby. Beth Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] euthanized Shallie Marie, yesterday the last of my
So sorry! My thoughts are with you the fur baby. Beth Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control
I used the food grade as directed had serious breathing problems. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 1:57 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control Food grade diatomaceous earth is just that - food grade. No tiny pieces. It's as fine as talcum powder and I have used it on my enclosure floors in my outside cat sanctuary with excellent results and no problems with either my breathing or any of my cats, including the older cats. But it must say food grade on the bag. Mine shows a picture of a cow. It's used as a calcium supplement in livestock. On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 9:17 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I think there are Super Fleas in Texas this year. I treated my fur kids with Frontline Plus and they just kept on scratching. Next is to wash, vacuum floors, change the covers on their sleeping places again and treat the floor with the diamatom earth and see what happens. I'm going to rub a little on one of the cats and see if the scratching stops. My outdoor cats don't seem to have this problem. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:19 PM, gbl...@aristotle.net gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Right I've heard bad things about Advantage Multi. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Nov 27, 2013, at 11:19 AM, trustinhi...@charter.net wrote: You don't have to put the full dose on the kitty to get some results. I also use program on some of my cats that I cannot put a topical on. Foster and Smith carries Program and you can order it online. I go to their outlet store in Rhinelander, WI and get it for a reduced price when some packages are damaged. I wouldn't do advantage multi...very strong. But I have used Revolution and Frontline in the past with good results. I also vacuum with regular table salt and/or baking soda on the carpets...kills the luittle buggers cause their eggs dry up. Just apply a little salt/baking soda, wait 30 minutes and vacuum. Carolyn On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Tracey Shrout wrote: I use program suspension, and have used it for many years with excellent results. They do not make it here in the US anymore, it comes from the UK, and I get it from amazon. It is one of the least toxic flea treatments available, and that's why I use it. It's a creamy substance that you mix in their food. I have 6 cats, and they eat it willingly...no problems. I've heard they shut down the plant here in the US because of cleanliness. I would never put a topical on a felv+ cat. Be sure to change bedding daily or at least every other day and vacuum like crazy. You could also look into the food grade diatomaceous earth...it takes some time and effort to work though. Good luck...Tracey On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Michelle B teals...@hotmail.com wrote: I am having a crazy hard time keeping fleas off of my FeLV foster. I do flea comb at least once a day and keep everything very clean but they won't go away. I hate the thought of putting a topical on her because her nodes are huge and her immune sytem is already compromised but I know these fleas are no good either. I have no idea how they can still be on her because I have been so aggressive. Has anyone researched topicals for + cats? Like are there any that are 'safer' than others? I was thinking of trying Revolution on herthat way it it will keep away fleas, ticks, earmites, etc. Thoughts? She is 7 months old and healthy considering. *-- Have YOU Heard About It Yet??? www.JonahsPlace.org http://www.JonahsPlace.org* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control
Neither Frontline or Advantage has worked for me this year. Just vacuuming flea combing :( Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control Frontline has never worked for me, not in FL, not in SC. I use Advantage and Capstar. Outdoors the cats have a better chance. Fleas don't stay on an animal (or person), so outside they drop off and the host moves away. Inside, the flea can re-infest the same poor cat (or dog) over and over. Please be careful with DE. My cats are very sensitive to the dust, and I never saw it do much, if anything, for fleas. Margo -Original Message- From: Lee Evans Sent: Dec 3, 2013 10:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control I think there are Super Fleas in Texas this year. I treated my fur kids with Frontline Plus and they just kept on scratching. Next is to wash, vacuum floors, change the covers on their sleeping places again and treat the floor with the diamatom earth and see what happens. I'm going to rub a little on one of the cats and see if the scratching stops. My outdoor cats don't seem to have this problem. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:19 PM, gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Right I've heard bad things about Advantage Multi. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Nov 27, 2013, at 11:19 AM, trustinhi...@charter.net wrote: You don't have to put the full dose on the kitty to get some results. I also use program on some of my cats that I cannot put a topical on. Foster and Smith carries Program and you can order it online. I go to their outlet store in Rhinelander, WI and get it for a reduced price when some packages are damaged. I wouldn't do advantage multi...very strong. But I have used Revolution and Frontline in the past with good results. I also vacuum with regular table salt and/or baking soda on the carpets...kills the luittle buggers cause their eggs dry up. Just apply a little salt/baking soda, wait 30 minutes and vacuum. Carolyn On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Tracey Shrout wrote: I use program suspension, and have used it for many years with excellent results. They do not make it here in the US anymore, it comes from the UK, and I get it from amazon. It is one of the least toxic flea treatments available, and that's why I use it. It's a creamy substance that you mix in their food. I have 6 cats, and they eat it willingly...no problems. I've heard they shut down the plant here in the US because of cleanliness. I would never put a topical on a felv+ cat. Be sure to change bedding daily or at least every other day and vacuum like crazy. You could also look into the food grade diatomaceous earth...it takes some time and effort to work though. Good luck...Tracey On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Michelle B wrote: I am having a crazy hard time keeping fleas off of my FeLV foster. I do flea comb at least once a day and keep everything very clean but they won't go away. I hate the thought of putting a topical on her because her nodes are huge and her immune sytem is already compromised but I know these fleas are no good either. I have no idea how they can still be on her because I have been so aggressive. Has anyone researched topicals for + cats? Like are there any that are 'safer' than others? I was thinking of trying Revolution on herthat way it it will keep away fleas, ticks, earmites, etc. Thoughts? She is 7 months old and healthy considering. *-- Have YOU Heard About It Yet??? www.JonahsPlace.org * ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Adopting
Minimize stress. That's the number 1 thing. I don't have mine on anything
special except good food lots of love. The two I have now I've had for 3
years. I've had many more. Some lived less than a year, one 5 years. Who knows.
Just love them for the time they have. Be in tune with them so you know if they
are not feeling right get them treated right away. I've had problems with
Stomatitis hemobartonella (sp) with FeLV. Most of mine passed away from
anemia, which for them was not treatable.
Good luck thanks for giving your new kitty a chance.
Beth
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From: Kristi Stringer kristi.stringer@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Adopting
She is six. And i meant she is not systematic
On Nov 26, 2013 7:27 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote:
Good for you! You won’t regret it! How old is she? Best thing you can do for
her is give her decent food, keep her inside safe and sound, and just watch for
those little things that in an felv cat can turn bad pretty quickly—URI, UTI,
teeth and gum problems, etc. You know already that these nasty little
retroviruses are opportunistic—they lurk quietly until the kitty needs a good
immune system to fight off even a minor infection.
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kristi
Stringer
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Adopting
I just found out that the cat i am adopting has Felv but have decided to give
her a loving home anyway Working with retrovirises is part of my job {in
humans } so i feel like i could provide her with the love and care she needs.
Any advice asbo begin this journey?
Currently she is symptomatic
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Re: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control
I would definitely use it cautiously. I used it as directed on my floors had a bad reaction to it. I was having problems breathing I was wearing a good quality fine particle mask. I worry that it I had that reaction, if I spread it on my cats, they would have problems, too. If you are rubbing it into their fur they would have to inhale some of it. I haven't used the rest of it. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control I would cautiously use diatomaceous earth, food grade type, rubbing it into her fur. It's basically a calcium supplement for cattle but it kills fleas instantly by drying out their soft underside. I would also spread it in carpets, her bedding, and sweep it over all floors where she has access. You can vacuum it up if you like but I usually simply leave a thin layer on. But DO comb it out of her fur after you leave it there about 10 minutes so her skin won't get dry. I stopped a zillion fleas dead in their tracks in my small cat sanctuary (large shed with outside enclosure) by spreading this over the floors. Nothing else helped and I was polka dot fleas from ankle to waist every time I went in there even though I had treated the cats with Frontline Plus. Along came a friend and brought me 12 pounds of the Diatom-Earth and bye-bye fleas overnight. Be careful not to get it into her eyes or up her nose and don't you inhale it either. It's a very fine powder and NEVER use the regular type of diatomaceous earth. Only use the food grade and don't fluff it around. Spread it gently and thinly. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:49 PM, Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com wrote: I use program suspension, and have used it for many years with excellent results. They do not make it here in the US anymore, it comes from the UK, and I get it from amazon. It is one of the least toxic flea treatments available, and that's why I use it. It's a creamy substance that you mix in their food. I have 6 cats, and they eat it willingly...no problems. I've heard they shut down the plant here in the US because of cleanliness. I would never put a topical on a felv+ cat. Be sure to change bedding daily or at least every other day and vacuum like crazy. You could also look into the food grade diatomaceous earth...it takes some time and effort to work though. Good luck...Tracey On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Michelle B teals...@hotmail.com wrote: I am having a crazy hard time keeping fleas off of my FeLV foster. I do flea comb at least once a day and keep everything very clean but they won't go away. I hate the thought of putting a topical on her because her nodes are huge and her immune sytem is already compromised but I know these fleas are no good either. I have no idea how they can still be on her because I have been so aggressive. Has anyone researched topicals for + cats? Like are there any that are 'safer' than others? I was thinking of trying Revolution on herthat way it it will keep away fleas, ticks, earmites, etc. Thoughts? She is 7 months old and healthy considering. -- Have YOU Heard About It Yet??? www.JonahsPlace.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Capstar / Topical Flea Control
I've never had problems with Capstar until I gave it to one of my older cats recently. She ran around like a cat possessed for hours. A friend said her dog had the same reaction. Has anyone else had this happen? Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control I have no idea of the safety, but you might want to look into the newer topicals such as Activyl and Simpleguard as it seems Rev/Adv/Frontline aren't as effective as they used to be, for many of us anyway. Program is said to be very safe, as it Capstar (not a preventative) so there might be combinations you could use to try and gently but effectively treat prevent.___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control
I use Frontline Advantage, but they really haven't worked much in the last 2 years, so I've gone to just flea combing lots of vacuuming. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Michelle B teals...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:26 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control I am having a crazy hard time keeping fleas off of my FeLV foster. I do flea comb at least once a day and keep everything very clean but they won't go away. I hate the thought of putting a topical on her because her nodes are huge and her immune sytem is already compromised but I know these fleas are no good either. I have no idea how they can still be on her because I have been so aggressive. Has anyone researched topicals for + cats? Like are there any that are 'safer' than others? I was thinking of trying Revolution on herthat way it it will keep away fleas, ticks, earmites, etc. Thoughts? She is 7 months old and healthy considering. -- Have YOU Heard About It Yet??? www.JonahsPlace.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control
It is dehydrating, which is why I could not breath. So, yes, that would be my concern. Just because it is natural, does not mean it does not have issues. I wouldn't say don't use it, but use it with caution, as anything else. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control I would worry that if it is on their fur, they would ingest when they groom. Isn't it described to be like tiny pieces of broken glass to insects? Shelley Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net On Nov 27, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Beth wrote: I would definitely use it cautiously. I used it as directed on my floors had a bad reaction to it. I was having problems breathing I was wearing a good quality fine particle mask. I worry that it I had that reaction, if I spread it on my cats, they would have problems, too. If you are rubbing it into their fur they would have to inhale some of it. I haven't used the rest of it. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control I would cautiously use diatomaceous earth, food grade type, rubbing it into her fur. It's basically a calcium supplement for cattle but it kills fleas instantly by drying out their soft underside. I would also spread it in carpets, her bedding, and sweep it over all floors where she has access. You can vacuum it up if you like but I usually simply leave a thin layer on. But DO comb it out of her fur after you leave it there about 10 minutes so her skin won't get dry. I stopped a zillion fleas dead in their tracks in my small cat sanctuary (large shed with outside enclosure) by spreading this over the floors. Nothing else helped and I was polka dot fleas from ankle to waist every time I went in there even though I had treated the cats with Frontline Plus. Along came a friend and brought me 12 pounds of the Diatom-Earth and bye-bye fleas overnight. Be careful not to get it into her eyes or up her nose and don't you inhale it either. It's a very fine powder and NEVER use the regular type of diatomaceous earth. Only use the food grade and don't fluff it around. Spread it gently and thinly. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:49 PM, Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com wrote: I use program suspension, and have used it for many years with excellent results. They do not make it here in the US anymore, it comes from the UK, and I get it from amazon. It is one of the least toxic flea treatments available, and that's why I use it. It's a creamy substance that you mix in their food. I have 6 cats, and they eat it willingly...no problems. I've heard they shut down the plant here in the US because of cleanliness. I would never put a topical on a felv+ cat. Be sure to change bedding daily or at least every other day and vacuum like crazy. You could also look into the food grade diatomaceous earth...it takes some time and effort to work though. Good luck...Tracey On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Michelle B teals...@hotmail.com wrote: I am having a crazy hard time keeping fleas off of my FeLV foster. I do flea comb at least once a day and keep everything very clean but they won't go away. I hate the thought of putting a topical on her because her nodes are huge and her immune sytem is already compromised but I know these fleas are no good either. I have no idea how they can still be on her because I have been so aggressive. Has anyone researched topicals for + cats? Like are there any that are 'safer' than others? I was thinking of trying Revolution on herthat way it it will keep away fleas, ticks, earmites, etc. Thoughts? She is 7 months old and healthy considering. -- Have YOU Heard About It Yet??? www.JonahsPlace.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?
Hi Tina - SWeat Scoop also harden to a cement-like texture that is horribly difficult to get out . I had to take a hammer to it. You might want to try Feline Pine. Some cats don't like the texture, but it doesn't have the dust. Also World's Best (corn based) or the new Blue Buffalo (Walnut Based). My cats I like the BB best. I also if your litter box is covered, but that can cause asthmatic problems. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Tina Smith mit...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:56 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV? Hi all, I have an FeLV+ kitty. He has been mostly healthy but is currently going through something that is causing a lot of coughing. We have noticed that he seems sensitive to the drier air of winter and perhaps has some environmental allergies. In addition to other things we are doing I am trying to find a dust-free cat litter for him. Last night I spent a small fortune on SWheatScoop litter and was appalled to see all of the dust that went flying when we put it in his litter pan. So much for dust-free. Has anyone here had luck finding a litter that is good to use for our FeLV+ sweeties? I'll also tell you a little more about what he's going through in case anybody has some insight into what might be causing it. The vet wasn't helpful. Just gave him a Convenia antibiotic injection but couldn't say what the problem might be except possibly pleural effusion. Darwin is coughing a lot - a little like the hairball cough but not exactly. He seems to be breathing mostly okay through his nose, although I have noticed occasionally that there does seem to be a little congestion. There has been no open-mouth breathing. He had a bout of diarrhea for a couple of days this past week but seemed to get over that. Now I think he might actually be constipated. When he coughs nothing comes out but he does swallow as if he has coughed a little something up and then swallows it. I have almost wondered if he might have an obstruction but it does seem to be affecting his breathing some. I haven't been able to pinpoint any triggers. He has coughed after drinking water, he has coughed when the heat was on, he has coughed right after using the litter box. But he has also coughed when he's just resting on the bed and nothing is going on. Any insight would be so welcome. Thank you, Tina Smith ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?
They make sifting litter boxes just for the pine litter. you just sift it to the bottom. And, yes, go to the feed store get the equine once you have determined your cats will actually use it. Beth Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Feline does not have dust when pouring but it turns into a find yellow powder after it breaks down. It's nice and inexpensive where I am because I get pine pellets from a local feed store at $6 for 40#. But it takes a lot of sweeping up after it's used for a while. On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:05 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Tina - SWeat Scoop also harden to a cement-like texture that is horribly difficult to get out . I had to take a hammer to it. You might want to try Feline Pine. Some cats don't like the texture, but it doesn't have the dust. Also World's Best (corn based) or the new Blue Buffalo (Walnut Based). My cats I like the BB best. I also if your litter box is covered, but that can cause asthmatic problems. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Tina Smith mit...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:56 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV? Hi all, I have an FeLV+ kitty. He has been mostly healthy but is currently going through something that is causing a lot of coughing. We have noticed that he seems sensitive to the drier air of winter and perhaps has some environmental allergies. In addition to other things we are doing I am trying to find a dust-free cat litter for him. Last night I spent a small fortune on SWheatScoop litter and was appalled to see all of the dust that went flying when we put it in his litter pan. So much for dust-free. Has anyone here had luck finding a litter that is good to use for our FeLV+ sweeties? I'll also tell you a little more about what he's going through in case anybody has some insight into what might be causing it. The vet wasn't helpful. Just gave him a Convenia antibiotic injection but couldn't say what the problem might be except possibly pleural effusion. Darwin is coughing a lot - a little like the hairball cough but not exactly. He seems to be breathing mostly okay through his nose, although I have noticed occasionally that there does seem to be a little congestion. There has been no open-mouth breathing. He had a bout of diarrhea for a couple of days this past week but seemed to get over that. Now I think he might actually be constipated. When he coughs nothing comes out but he does swallow as if he has coughed a little something up and then swallows it. I have almost wondered if he might have an obstruction but it does seem to be affecting his breathing some. I haven't been able to pinpoint any triggers. He has coughed after drinking water, he has coughed when the heat was on, he has coughed right after using the litter box. But he has also coughed when he's just resting on the bed and nothing is going on. Any insight would be so welcome. Thank you, Tina Smith ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?
Or heartworms. Katherine Kershaw kaths...@gmail.com wrote: May also want to consider pneumonia as a cause for coughing. Xray can determine it. Is it phlegmy sounding? My cat was swallowing, coughing, had a gurgly sounding purr and was diagnosed with a little pneumonia. Cleared up with antibiotics. Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: They make sifting litter boxes just for the pine litter. you just sift it to the bottom. And, yes, go to the feed store get the equine once you have determined your cats will actually use it. Beth Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Feline does not have dust when pouring but it turns into a find yellow powder after it breaks down. It's nice and inexpensive where I am because I get pine pellets from a local feed store at $6 for 40#. But it takes a lot of sweeping up after it's used for a while. On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:05 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Tina - SWeat Scoop also harden to a cement-like texture that is horribly difficult to get out . I had to take a hammer to it. You might want to try Feline Pine. Some cats don't like the texture, but it doesn't have the dust. Also World's Best (corn based) or the new Blue Buffalo (Walnut Based). My cats I like the BB best. I also if your litter box is covered, but that can cause asthmatic problems. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Tina Smith mit...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:56 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV? Hi all, I have an FeLV+ kitty. He has been mostly healthy but is currently going through something that is causing a lot of coughing. We have noticed that he seems sensitive to the drier air of winter and perhaps has some environmental allergies. In addition to other things we are doing I am trying to find a dust-free cat litter for him. Last night I spent a small fortune on SWheatScoop litter and was appalled to see all of the dust that went flying when we put it in his litter pan. So much for dust-free. Has anyone here had luck finding a litter that is good to use for our FeLV+ sweeties? I'll also tell you a little more about what he's going through in case anybody has some insight into what might be causing it. The vet wasn't helpful. Just gave him a Convenia antibiotic injection but couldn't say what the problem might be except possibly pleural effusion. Darwin is coughing a lot - a little like the hairball cough but not exactly. He seems to be breathing mostly okay through his nose, although I have noticed occasionally that there does seem to be a little congestion. There has been no open-mouth breathing. He had a bout of diarrhea for a couple of days this past week but seemed to get over that. Now I think he might actually be constipated. When he coughs nothing comes out but he does swallow as if he has coughed a little something up and then swallows it. I have almost wondered if he might have an obstruction but it does seem to be affecting his breathing some. I haven't been able to pinpoint any triggers. He has coughed after drinking water, he has coughed when the heat was on, he has coughed right after using the litter box. But he has also coughed when he's just resting on the bed and nothing is going on. Any insight would be so welcome. Thank you, Tina Smith ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV and Fleas??
Here are a couple links to suggest FeLV can be passed by fleas: http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheNcpsidt=15342194 http://www.chatvet.com/flv.htm Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV and Fleas?? Haemobartonella fellis is transmitted by fleas, not FeLv. You can Google Haemobartonella and find out about it. That's why it's recommended that you treat all current cats for fleas with Frontline Plus or other flea product if you intend to bring a new cat/kitten into the house. The fleas actually carry the haemobart parasitic bacteria and when biting a cat, inject it. FeLv is a retrovirus mostly contagious through strong contact cat to cat. Even then, one cat may have a strong enough immune system not to get the disease. On Monday, November 4, 2013 1:52 PM, Michelle B teals...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I am pretty familiar with FeLV but heard something that is alarming and am hoping there is someone that can give feedback on this. Our rescue took in a nursing mother cat and her two kittens and a 5 month old kitten, unrelated, at the same time. These cats were in the same quarantine room but in separate holding pens (having no direct contact with each other). The 5 month kitten tested strong positive for FeLV and does have very large nodes. She also had a bad case of fleas. I read that FeLV can be transmitted through fleas - has anyone done research, or spoken with a well qualified veterinarian about this? The mother cat and her kittens have not shown any evidence of fleas or fleas dirt but I am still concerned about this potential for transmission, especially since they are newborns. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bunny Passed Away This Evening
So so sorry, Lee. I always wonder when people. say they have cats throw off the virus. My guess is the 2nd test was not done right. The adults are definitely less likely to get it I don't think you put the kitten at risk unless you put your fingers in Bunny's mouth then into the kitten's mouth. Hugs to you. Beth Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: She came to me two and a half years ago when she was around 9 months old. She had been abandoned at an apartment complex, rescued but then tested FeLv+. She was brought to me to see if she would turn negative. She did! I kept her anyway because she had a few bad habits, like biting my fingers when I was sleeping and trying to tear apart my iPod headphones. She was very mischievous. I named her Bunny because she was brought to me on Easter Sunday. She has lived with me and two other cats in my bedroom/home office since that Easter in 2011. About two weeks ago I noticed a change in her behavior. She no longer pestered Delilah, the resident female cat in the room and she seemed to lose interest in sleeping on the bed with me and Samson and Delilah (the two other cats in the room). However she was eating normally and nothing else seemed out of place. I assumed that it was the change in the weather from very hot to nice, cool evenings and then to rain. On Saturday of last week she seemed lethargic. She was not eating her usual amount of food and not drinking her usual amount of water. I checked her gums to see if it might be stomatitis or some bad tooth upsetting her but her gums were very pale and so was her tongue. I immediately thought it was flea anemia. I took her to the vet on Tuesday because Monday is usually very busy with dogs there. She was more lethargic and depressed by then and her appetite had all but disappeared. She was still drinking water. She had no fleas so I asked the vet to re-test her for FeLv. Sure enough, she was positive. She had all the classic symptoms of active FeLv. I was heart broken but still, I asked him to give her some meds to make her more comfortable and perhaps get back her appetite. He gave her cortisone. Today, she was no better. She just lay on her towel and couldn't make it to the litter box although it was just a few steps away. I took her in again and he gave her some fluids, not too much because he said it would make her even more anemic. He gave her a little more cortisone to try to kick start her appetite. I had been syringe feeding her by then. He also gave her a small dose of Convenia and some B-complex but nothing helped. She passed several hours after the vet visit. I probably should have had him help her pass but I just didn't want to give up hope. There is a question here, in all this upsetting dialog. My other two cats who slept with me and Bunny and groomed each other, ate with each other, drank and used the same litter box are around 7 years old. The vet told me that once they are into adulthood, they are not as likely to get FeLv as they would if they were under 2 years old. Is this true? I will have them tested in about 3 weeks anyway to see what happened, if anything. Also, has anyone had the experience of a young cat throwing off the virus and turning negative, then turning positive again after a year, or was that second test after I had held her in isolation for 4 months a false negative? Right now I'm fostering a kitten who has tested negative for FIV/FeLv. She is several rooms away from where Bunny has lived. They never came in contact with each other but I have walked from my bedroom into the kitten's room to feed, clean, etc.. Did I put her at risk? This is desperately upsetting. I have decided not to take in any more fosters with FeLv. I have never had this happen before. Most of my turned cats are still with me and are well into several years of adulthood. I usually don't have good results with getting turned cats adopted because most people don't want the possibility that the cat is harboring the disease. Maybe Bunny had it in her bone marrow and tested negative on the regular SNAP test. I should have tested with the IFA also but don't have much money to spare. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums
Yes, eating litter, licking things is Pica indicates severe anemia. Cats can be very sick still act normal. Most of my FeLV cats have died from anemia. Get him to the vet ASAP. Sorry you are having to go through this. Beth Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. After doing few searches on the listserv archive and reading past posts I wanted to add that I also have found him a couple of times recently eating litter (the kind he was eating was Worlds Best Cat Litter made from corn, but he also uses clay litter) and he has a tendency to lick the shower drain after my shower. Seems like those could also be symptoms of anemia..missing a mineral or something. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: Pale gums can indicate anemia, if gums are white they are usually near death. I'd get the kitty's PCV (packed cell volume) checked asap. FELV+ cats are particularly prone to anemia, I don't have any FELV+ cats and think sometimes it is non-regenerative but some here might have some advice. Not to scare you, but anemia is something that needs to be addressed quickly. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote: Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the opposite problem - pale gums. One of my positive kittens Terence has started looking/feeling a little skinny and his usually short sleek fur has a more raggedy look to it. I checked his gums this morning and they were pale compared to his 3 siblings (who are also positive). He is 6 months old. They are on lysine and getting wet and dry food. I'm going to try adding fortiflora and get some lixotinic from the vet. Appetite seems normal, he's still active/playful but perhaps less so than usual. Katherine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gum redness
It could be the beginnings of Stomatitis. It's pretty common in the FeLV kits. I've had a couple with it. Nasty stuff. Try the L-lysine. I used that with something else once it worked great, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was. Beth Avaykn ava...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, Kitty, our 16 months old FeLV positive cat is showing a little redness on her gums on her bottom left incisors. I have rubbed a little liquid vitamin E and she has received a dosage of Calcarea carbonica, I'm working with a holistic vet, but I was wondering what if any steps have any of you taken when faced with this situation. Thanks, Mally and Kitty Sent from my iPhone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums
Watch the lunch meat. I didn't realize a lot of the stuff you get at the deli counter has onions or garlic added. Beth Amanda K. Payne amandak.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Pet-tinic is a liquid supplement rich in iron, copper and Vitamins B12, B6 and Thiamine, among other vitamins. The belief is that this supplement will help the animal produce more RBCs. There is also a product called Liqui-Tinic which offers similar vitamins and minerals. It does, however, have corn syrup in it which I am not a big fan of. Transfer Factor Plus is a combination of amino acids and vitamins. It's works by boosting the immune system's response. FeLV+ felines are at greater risk for contracting illness because of the virus; by boosting the immune system, they are able to fight opportunistic illness better. I obviously can't guarantee these are what kept her alive. It could have been the constant love, lunch meat or her little body fighting on its own. However, it also didn't hurt. Several people on this forum have used one or the other or both and have had success with them. I truly believe that if she hadn't contracted FIP, she would have continued to recover with the help of these supplements... and endless amounts of lunch meat ;) -A On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Avaykn ava...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Amanda, Can you please tell me more about Petinic and transfer factor? Thanks, Sent from my iPhone. On Oct 29, 2013, at 13:31, Amanda K. Payne amandak.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Katherine, I definitely have to back Heather here. Pale gums and eating litter are very indicative of anemia. Earlier this year, our sweet girl Polli, started licking walls and clay planters. She slowly lost interest in her toys and food. By the time I took her to the vet, she was severely anemic. The vet didn't think she had more than a week and was hesitant to treat her. She was also about six months when she started showing symptoms. We gave her Pet-tinic and Transfer Factor Plus in addition to a vitamin-rich diet and a lot of pampering. She fought through the anemia but we lost her to FIP five months later. I would suggest taking him to the vet as soon as possible. The earlier you catch anemia, the better the chances are of treating it. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, definitely. I would get him in asap (today). This is a worry with any kitty and especially felv+ kitties. Last time someone told me their cat was eating litter, he died soon after even though they got him to the vet (probably needed a transfusion which I don't think they tried). Again not to scare you but given pale gums + eating litter, would rather err to the side of caution and say get him in asap as that's definitely worriesome. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks. After doing few searches on the listserv archive and reading past posts I wanted to add that I also have found him a couple of times recently eating litter (the kind he was eating was Worlds Best Cat Litter made from corn, but he also uses clay litter) and he has a tendency to lick the shower drain after my shower. Seems like those could also be symptoms of anemia..missing a mineral or something. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: Pale gums can indicate anemia, if gums are white they are usually near death. I'd get the kitty's PCV (packed cell volume) checked asap. FELV+ cats are particularly prone to anemia, I don't have any FELV+ cats and think sometimes it is non-regenerative but some here might have some advice. Not to scare you, but anemia is something that needs to be addressed quickly. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.comwrote: Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the opposite problem - pale gums. One of my positive kittens Terence has started looking/feeling a little skinny and his usually short sleek fur has a more raggedy look to it. I checked his gums this morning and they were pale compared to his 3 siblings (who are also positive). He is 6 months old. They are on lysine and getting wet and dry food. I'm going to try adding fortiflora and get some lixotinic from the vet. Appetite seems normal, he's still active/playful but perhaps less so than usual. Katherine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please help with testing confusion!
I would get the IFA done on Moe. More than likely at this point it will come up positive. If you have 2 cats with a positive IFA there is not way they are going to throw off the virus could be together. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: one23di...@aol.com one23di...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please help with testing confusion! Thank you to everyone who responded - let me just clarify something. The ELISA testing that was done on Moe (2.5 year old, tested a year apart) was NOT the SNAP test done in office, but it was done at an outside lab, Antech Diagnositics. Baby, the 4-5 month old, was both SNAP tested and IFA tested. So, does that change any recommendations? One vet says that they can be put together. The other vet says that to be sure, we should wait another month, and switch the testing on them. Sigh..I am more confused than before if that is possible. -Original Message- From: one23disco one23di...@aol.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:43 pm Subject: Please help with testing confusion! I'm confused and hope people can help me to understand this. I have two cats who have tested positive for felv. One, Moe has tested positive twice on the ELISA, and the tests were done a year apart. Baby, has tested positive both on a SNAP and an IFA test - done two months apart. Different vets were used. They have been kept separate, both from each other and our negative cats. So, the question is can they be safely introduced to each other? Do I need Moe to be retested using the IFA? Do I need Baby retested using the ELISA? Please, any light that can be shed on this will be incredibly helpful. Thank you so much! Leslie the furballs ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please help with testing confusion!
The tests are totally different. The IFA tests to see if the virus is circulating in the bone marrow, which means the cat will not throw off the virus. The ELISA snap tests for the virus in the blood. A cat can be positive on the snap test but negative on the IFA. This means they have a chance of throwing off the virus. So we know Baby is definitely positive. You might want to re-test Moe on the SNAP test if positive do an IFA of just skip to the IFA. If the IFA on Moe is positive neither cat is going to throw off the virus they can mingle. Just FYI, a lot of us here mix out positive negative cats, vaccinating the negative cats. I have done so for almost 15 years have never had the virus get transmitted to my negative cats. My old vet used to vaccinate my negative twice a year. Of coarse this is a personal decision. Good luck thank you for keeping Moe Baby giving them a chance at life. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: one23di...@aol.com one23di...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 6:43 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Please help with testing confusion! I'm confused and hope people can help me to understand this. I have two cats who have tested positive for felv. One, Moe has tested positive twice on the ELISA, and the tests were done a year apart. Baby, has tested positive both on a SNAP and an IFA test - done two months apart. Different vets were used. They have been kept separate, both from each other and our negative cats. So, the question is can they be safely introduced to each other? Do I need Moe to be retested using the IFA? Do I need Baby retested using the ELISA? Please, any light that can be shed on this will be incredibly helpful. Thank you so much! Leslie the furballs ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] virus has caught up with her :-(
So sorry you had to let her go, Jennifer, but I think you made the right decision. I went put my 1st FeLV girl through a lot ended up at emergency putting per down in severe agony. I swore I would never go through all that again. It is so hard to let them go, but it sometimes it is the best thing. My thoughts are with you. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 4:49 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all- This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated. They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home. I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. I'm sincerely heartbroken. I really thought I had nursed her through the most risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to live a halfway long life. In any case, if anyone has any advice or information I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks all, Jennifer -- To love is to risk not being loved in return. To hope is to risk pain. To try is to risk failure, But risk must be taken, Because the greatest hazard in life Is to risk nothing. --Leo Buscaglia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home?
Yahoo. was having some problems a few weeks ago. Sometimes nobody, thankfully, is having any problems. Sometimes no news is good news Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: kat merrykatme...@email.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home? I'm here - tho I mainly just lurk these days.. It has been quiet. Kat (Mew Jersey) - Original Message - From: Lee Evans Sent: 10/07/13 01:25 PM To: Felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home? I haven't received any messages from the group in over two weeks! Yahoo was sending back my messages with the information that the address no longer exists. What gives? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba
He was not good last night when I got home. He barely lifted his head. I wasn't sure he would still be alive this morning. He seems perkier this morning. I'm home all day so we will see how it goes. dlg...@windstream.net wrote: How is Bubba doing now? JC microscopicwin...@yahoo.com wrote: He's in my thoughts and prayers, as are you.. --- On Wed, 6/12/13, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:59 PM Poor Bubba! I'm sorry he's having such a rough time, and a rude bite on the tail to top it off. Hopefully he can clear the Hemobart and move on. I'll add him to the purrayers list. Best wishes to you and Bubba, Lance On Jun 12, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey guys need some positive energy for one of my FeLV fosters - Bubba. He had been battling a URI. Tried a couple different antibiotics, and finally, after a week the URI cleared he started eating on his own last Sunday. Well as soon as I took him off the Doxy he started going down again. We went to the shelter this afternoon thankfully they had a wonderful vet volunteering who has experience in FeLV kitties. We're wondering now if he has Hemobart since he starting going down after withdrawing the Doxy. His gums were pink, though. I've had a constant battle with fleas. Advantage was no longer working so I switched Frontline, but that doesn't seem to be working well either. He got fluids, more Doxy, Prenisone, Cyproheptadine, Capstar AD. On top of that it looks like he has a cat bite o his tail. Poor baby. Going to go home tonight spend some one-on-one time with him. Just being able to talk to you guys about these babies really helps. At least I feel like someone understands how helpless I feel sometimes. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bad News
So sorry, Amanda. Thank you for taking such good care of Polli. You both are in my thoughts. Beth Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Amanda, so sorry to hear about Polli. I'll say a prayer for her, that her journey and transition are easy. And for you, that the pain of loss heals quickly. Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amanda K. Payne Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 5:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Bad News Hi everyone, We took Polli in to a new vet today to get something new to treat her URI. She had a bad reaction to Clavamox and we were looking for a new vet who would be more aggressive and open minded with her treatments. We found a great vet, one I used to go to when I lived on the other side of town. He was optimistic about her treatment and was confident we could get her over this URI. However, he noticed that her belly is distended. He did a tap and diagnosed her with FIP (another disease I have already dealt with before). Her skin and gums are also very jaundiced. He says it appears her body is shutting down. We made an appointment to euthanize her at our home tomorrow afternoon. She's been on a decline for the past two weeks and feel it's time to help her go. Please keep us in your thoughts. Best, -Amanda -- There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge Bertrand Russell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charle
FIP is common in FeLV cats Marci Greer frecklescras...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi everyone,We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an xray of his chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well. I am hoping that the Lasix gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if it is a tumor. If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't wantto loose one of our babies. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
I agree, left alone the condition is lethal. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals Hi Bonnie, So sorry that Lucky is having urinary issues. If he is going in the litter box and crying, and not producing urine, I would take him back in or call the vet immediately. Did he have the surgery to remove his penis, can't think of the name of it, sorry, or did he just have a blockage that was unblocked previously?? If he can't pass urine, that is an emergency, or he could just have a lot of inflammation and/or bladder spasms, but this could lead to another blockage, so the sooner you treat this the better. Is he urinating at all? My cat, Jack, had a blockage about 4 years ago. He only liked Royal Canin Urinary SO canned of the 3 major brands that the vet suggested, including CD and Purina brands. He had to go off of the canned Royal Canin because he has Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy and that food had way too much salt in it. That's when I joined the yahoo group on FLUTD cats and decided to go off of the vet formulas, and just feed canned, non fish or grain foods. Here is the link to join http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FLUTD/ you have to join to see messages. That group has great info and support, I would encourage you to join. It's a very active group, and a few of the most knowledgable folks answer your questions very quickly. Anyway, now I have Jack on canned meaty food, which I add even a little extra water too, no grain, and he does great on it. There are other things to look at besides the crystals. Like you said, stress, there is also just inflammation without bacteria, that many cats are thrown on antibiotics for, even though they don't really have a UTI, bladder spasms, weak bladder wall, etc. The yahoo groups has a lot of super info on all these subjects and different treatment, many holistic. Hope he starts to feel better soon, please call the vet to let her/him know what is going on. Shelley On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Poor Lucky. He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago. Went to the vet; crystals in urine (it’s happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen the urethra). Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today). Also a pill called “Uroeze” to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!). But he is still having problems – pee spots around the house, he’s restless, just tried to pee in the box but nothing. I feel so badly for him -- he must be uncomfortable. And he looks at me a meows! I hate to just run to the vet (it stresses Lucky, he pants on the way home), but don’t know what to do. He won’t eat the CD food designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals. Any ideas? I’d sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky! Thanks Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
I wasn't trying to be discouraging, but it is an urgent situation that requires immediate attention from a vet. I had a cat with a urinary blockage she almost died. I'd hate to see your lose your baby. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals Gosh, thanks so much for the encouragement. I just called made an appointment to take Lucky back to the vet in 45 minutes. And I’ll join the FLUTD group – that will be helpful. He’s on Uroeze because he didn’t like CD food formulated to help with this….maybe just straight canned Wellness or something. Guess I can re-arrange feeding stations to accommodate a special dieter! I thought the surgery he had three years ago would take care of all this but guess not. He’s 14 years old and a very special cat to me – used to be my mother’s cat and she passed away almost 3 years ago, so he’s “my family.” He’s a great tuxedo guy too, really smart. Anyway, I’m worried and really want to help him. He’s sure helped me and my family through tough times. Thanks again, all. Really appreciate your help! Bonnie From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:41 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals I agree, left alone the condition is lethal. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From:Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals Hi Bonnie, So sorry that Lucky is having urinary issues. If he is going in the litter box and crying, and not producing urine, I would take him back in or call the vet immediately. Did he have the surgery to remove his penis, can't think of the name of it, sorry, or did he just have a blockage that was unblocked previously?? If he can't pass urine, that is an emergency, or he could just have a lot of inflammation and/or bladder spasms, but this could lead to another blockage, so the sooner you treat this the better. Is he urinating at all? My cat, Jack, had a blockage about 4 years ago. He only liked Royal Canin Urinary SO canned of the 3 major brands that the vet suggested, including CD and Purina brands. He had to go off of the canned Royal Canin because he has Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy and that food had way too much salt in it. That's when I joined the yahoo group on FLUTD cats and decided to go off of the vet formulas, and just feed canned, non fish or grain foods. Here is the link to join http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FLUTD/ you have to join to see messages. That group has great info and support, I would encourage you to join. It's a very active group, and a few of the most knowledgable folks answer your questions very quickly. Anyway, now I have Jack on canned meaty food, which I add even a little extra water too, no grain, and he does great on it. There are other things to look at besides the crystals. Like you said, stress, there is also just inflammation without bacteria, that many cats are thrown on antibiotics for, even though they don't really have a UTI, bladder spasms, weak bladder wall, etc. The yahoo groups has a lot of super info on all these subjects and different treatment, many holistic. Hope he starts to feel better soon, please call the vet to let her/him know what is going on. Shelley On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Poor Lucky. He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago. Went to the vet; crystals in urine (it’s happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen the urethra). Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today). Also a pill called “Uroeze” to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!). But he is still having problems – pee spots around the house, he’s restless, just tried to pee in the box but nothing. I feel so badly for him -- he must be uncomfortable. And he looks at me a meows! I hate to just run to the vet (it stresses Lucky, he pants on the way home), but don’t know what to do. He won’t eat the CD food designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals. Any ideas? I’d sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky! Thanks Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky
That is encouraging news. My vet said there used to something in Science Diet that caused this, too, ut they changed the formula. Not hat SD is the greatest food to begin with. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today. The great news is Lucky’s blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays (he does have some arthritis in his back). He has no apparent blockages (tumors) in his urinary tract. They did not see any crystals. The vet did say his bladder is very small and looks very inflamed. So they gave him a shot of an anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he calmed down a lot, which is good to see), gave him anti-biotic (suspected u.t.i.), anti-inflammatory and an ocular anti-biotic/steroid for his runny (herpes) eye. Poor little dude, he sure went through a lot today! Now he’s home, getting re-acquainted with the other cats and chilling. Looks like I’ve got a FLUTD feline here. They gave me a prescription for another type of special food (Royal Canine) which I’ll try (he hates the CD). Fingers crossed. Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and encouragements. Lucky thanks you too! Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] diarrhea
If it persists more than a day a vet visit would be in order to get him checked out to see what the root of the problem is. If you don't know the cause you cannot properly treat it. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: laurak...@aol.com laurak...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 12:51 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] diarrhea Hi everyone, I joined the group early in the year when I adopted my sweet felv+ kitten, Dani (who turned a year on June 1st :) About three months ago I adopted another felv+ kitten around Dani's age, Pugsly (he looks just like a little pug--upturned nose and big round eyes.) Pugsly has persistent herpes flare-ups but got that under control with upping his lysine to 500mg twice a day and he's been pretty much fine. Yesterday, though, I found vomit and diarrhea, which I was able to determine to be his. I noticed he didn't eat yeaterday or today with his usual gusto--it's usually gone in a nanosecond. His stool is pasty and jelly-like. There was a very faint pinkish hue to some of it yeaterday. He is still active but not his usual spazzy self. I started probiotic this morning and hope it will help. He is not feverish and is hydrated. Dani is totally fine. He also gets NuCat vitamins, two twice a day, and is on a grain free wet food only diet. I was going to try some pumpkin in his food...I was wondering what other suggestions there are for treating the diarrhea. I also have slippery elm bark. I know I can call my vet and get flagyl or tylan powder but wanted to reach out here first. I just hate giving antibiotics when it's not known if it's a bacterial cause. Thanks for reading, Laura, Dani and her bff Pugsly ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Positive cat
You could have a false positive on the test. At our shelter if a cat tests positive the test is immediately re-done to make sure there were no mistakes. The new 3-way tests are notoriously inaccurate (They test for FIV, FeLV, heartworms) Our shelter stopped using them because there were so many false positives. Why was the cat tested in the first place? Because the one got outside? Was the othere cat exposed to an FeLV cat that you know of? Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Positive cat None of the other cats go outside except for the one that got out Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com wrote: Cat is now testing positive. She was never tested as a kitten although her parents were and her littermate was. She has never been outside although one if the cats in the house did get out for about a week. That cat and all other cats in the house have tested negative. So is it possible that the cat that got out brought it in the house but still tests negative and this cat was exposed and is now positive? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2013, at 9:10 AM, john pollack bucfa...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, it most certainly is. My Tigger was Positve. Everyone else here tested negative, and still does,. Tigger passed at age 5 2 years ago. all STILL negative here. From: kgbarnc...@gmail.com kgbarnc...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Positive cat also, a previously 'negative' cat could in fact have a latent infection which does not show up. This can go on for potentially years and later turn positive when sick/stressed. - Reply message - From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Positive cat Date: Sun, Sep 1, 2013 8:19 am Sure, if the cat got outside or are otherwise exposed to other cats. Not all cats coming into contact with a positive cat will contract the virus.Plus the virus can take 90 days to show up on a test. You'd have to be more specific about the circumstances - when all the cats were tested, what kind of test, are the cats indoors/outdoors? Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 7:43 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Positive cat Is it possible for one cat in a house of multiple cats to be positive when everyone else is negative and even parents and all other cats from its litter are negative. Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Positive cat
Sure, if the cat got outside or are otherwise exposed to other cats. Not all cats coming into contact with a positive cat will contract the virus.Plus the virus can take 90 days to show up on a test. You'd have to be more specific about the circumstances - when all the cats were tested, what kind of test, are the cats indoors/outdoors? Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 7:43 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Positive cat Is it possible for one cat in a house of multiple cats to be positive when everyone else is negative and even parents and all other cats from its litter are negative. Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
Wow. Maybe you have accidentally discovered a cure for thinning hair :) Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:49 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: As long as it works, that is what is important. I know this is a bit late, but been busy taking care of Lil Bit, giving fluids, meds and syringe feeding. All to no avail, she passed last Friday. When I was a child, I got ringworm and my doctor (an old vet who went to Vienna and trained for people meds) used gentian violet on my head. It was purple, but got rid of the ringworm. Ever since then, the hair on that part of my head is curlier and thicker. Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: When we took in a cat with ringworm, the first vet prescribed an expensive oral medication (something like Griseofluvin). We sought the advice of a different vet who gave the cat a shot of antibiotics and recommended we use lime sulfur dips. It took a while, but it did clear up. The dips are messy and stinky, but effective. Good luck. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
Yes, Program does work great. And I think you only give it once of twice. Yes, the liquid oral meds are extremely toxic. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: kgbarnc...@gmail.com kgbarnc...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm Google for the Program flea medicine for cats, it also controls ringworm. My rescue friend says it worked great on a bunch of ringwormy kittens rescued from the kill shelter. Kg - Reply message - From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] ringworm Date: Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:51 am You can also use a cream for athletes foot. As your vet what the safe amount would be on cat skin. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm As long as it works, that is what is important. I know this is a bit late, but been busy taking care of Lil Bit, giving fluids, meds and syringe feeding. All to no avail, she passed last Friday. When I was a child, I got ringworm and my doctor (an old vet who went to Vienna and trained for people meds) used gentian violet on my head. It was purple, but got rid of the ringworm. Ever since then, the hair on that part of my head is curlier and thicker. Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: When we took in a cat with ringworm, the first vet prescribed an expensive oral medication (something like Griseofluvin). We sought the advice of a different vet who gave the cat a shot of antibiotics and recommended we use lime sulfur dips. It took a while, but it did clear up. The dips are messy and stinky, but effective. Good luck. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles
Actually if you do an abdominal tap of the fluid you can pretty much tell just by looking at it if it is FIP. It is a very distinct, stringy, yellow fluid. I'm not a vet, but the 1st time I saw it tapped off one of my cats I knew exactly what it was. But that is usually in the abdomen, not the chest, which is where the fluid seems to be in Charles. Fluid in the chest could be a heart condition, but that is usually not accompanied by swollen lymph nodes. Glad he is feeling a bit better hope the x-rays or ultrasound tell you what is going on. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6 There is really no definitive lab test for FIP and most cats can come up with a high titer for the corona virus without showing any symptoms while others have a lot titer and may actually have the mutated form of the virus. It's a very aggravating disease because it keeps playing hide and seek. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer
In Atlanta we have pet food pantries. You have to be income qualified. There may be something near her for that. Sometimes rescues also get good at a discount will sell to colony feeders. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer I CAN'T HELP, UP TO MY EARS $PROBLEMS, but I have heard that sometimes Petsmart and oher pet stores offer outdated pet foods at reduced or for free. Wouldn't hurt to look into it. Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, I have gone online (she has no computer, can't afford to buy one) and looked into the Pet Food Stamps program but since Karen has a job and is single she is not eligible. I seems like you have to be totally down and out to get any help, especially for animals. I can't get Medicaid because I am regularly paying a mortgage on a house and I desperately need dental work. So there you have it. The great American dream for those of us who actually are doing the right thing has turned into a nightmare. Can anyone help Karen with a donation of a gift card from a pet food supply store? That way she could save some of her hard earned money to make a down payment on something that she can drive to work and to her cat colonies every day, like she used to. She had just paid off the car she had when the transmission cracked. She didn't have air conditioning either and the windows stopped functioning. Needed another car even before the transmission went belly up. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] introduction and some questions
Hi Shelley - First of all, thanks for giving this guy a chance not immediately putting him down. 1) A negative IFA does NOT mean the cat is not FeLV positive. It simply means the virus is not replicating in his bone marrow. If a cat has a positive SNAP test, he is still positive. If you do get an IFA it is positive, it simply means he will not throw the virus off. 2) Those 3-way SNAP tests that test for heartworms are notoriously unreliable. Our shelter stopped using them after we had a slew of cats test postitive for FeLV. They were retested on the 2-way test twice, and came up negative. 3) It is too late now, but I would never give an FelV cat an FVRCP vaccine. I did that once to 2 sisters I had. One immediately became ill (she had been healthy up until then) died shortly afterward. Her sister died soon after. I have heard of other FeLV cats getting sick right after FVRCP vaccines. Not need to stress their immune systems out unless there is some seriously good reason why you need to vaccinate. 4) I don't think L-Lysine can hurt. It's pretty cheap you can get it in a powder form you can sprinkle over their food. 5) I have used Interferon in the past, but from what I understand it takes a long time to work. I stopped because I felt like I was stressing the cats out too much with the daily medicine routine. Plus you have to give it to them the right way. You can't just squirt it randomly in their mouths. 6) I think the best thing you can do is feed a high-quality food keep stress down. Good luck! Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:12 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] introduction and some questions Hi, I finally was able to join your list and am so excited to be able to check in for advice and any questions I might have for my cat Leo. Some history- I trapped Leo last summer to TNR for a neighbor who offered to keep/feed him outdoors. He seemed feral, and was an elusive neighborhood stray for about 3 years prior. We think we know where he was born, as we rescued kittens that were probably younger than him at that time, and they look very similar, from a house where the owners moved and left the cats behind. :-( He has been chased out of yards and finally had a yard to call home with this person, but he tested positive for FeLV last summer and the neighbor would not commit to more in-depth care even though he said he would continue to feed him outdoors in his yard. So, I ended up keeping him as an indoor cat, and he is tame now after housing him in a taming cage that I learned about from the feral cat yahoo group. He is afraid of new things, but is very sweet and gentle. Right now I am keeping him separate from my other 3 indoor cats who are not vaccinated for FeLV, and one has some pretty bad aggression issues Back on July 19, 2012, he was tested with a snap test for FeLV/FIV/heartworm, he tested weak positive for FeLV, neg for the others. The test used was slightly expired by a few months (was a test kit from our rescue group, and I would have liked to have retested that day with a fresh in date kit, but I didn't find out results until the end of that day when he was wide awake and still assumed to be feral...) I tried to bring him in a few days after that to a different vet to get retested, but the vet clinic shook him out of the carrier and freaked him out chasing him around the room, and he bit the tech through a towel and had to be quarantined for 10 days for rabies, since his vacc. was less than 10 days old. I was so upset wondering if that was the time he could maybe throw the virus off, and he would be under so much stress as a feral cat in quarantine. :-( He had to go to a vet again, in Nov, 2012 because I thought he had a urinary blockage, but he ended up being OK. Anyway, this vet retested him because he was very cooperative, with a SNAP 2 test (no heartworm), and I asked them to use serum, assuming first vet used blood but I was not certain of that at the time. It was positive again. So, now it's a year later, he is seemingly healthy, teeth look good, good appetite, he is about 4 years old. I am wanting to do an IFA test. Do you think that he could still be negative after this long? At his check up yesterday, he received a Rabies Purevax vaccine, and I haven't done an FVRCP booster yet. He had one FVRCP last summer. The vet suggested adding Lysine powder, so I have that now, and she mentioned that they can add Interferon to ringers solution and that one bag would last a long time, haven't done that yet. Just would love to get some thoughts on retesting and Interferon. Also, he initially was said to have a grade 3 heart murmur while under anesthesia for his neuter, but it hasn't been heard since... So, with 2 positive SNAP tests
Re: [Felvtalk] introduction and some questions
The Lysine powder for cats can actually come in flavors. The gel is not bad tasting at all, either. In fact I wouldn't mind taking it. I sprinkle the powder on the dry food they have no problem with it. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] introduction and some questions Hi. I have had experience with three FeLv+ cats turning to negative. You have to keep them for about 3 months, then retest with the SNAP non heartworm test. I had no idea that the three way test can cause a false positive. Anyway, have him retested with a fresh SNAP test and if it's negative, it's negative. I have three mixed in with my other cats and no problems so far. One has been there for six years and is getting old but that's the only problem he has experienced in his entire life after I took him in about 5 years ago. As for Interferon or any other major medication, if Leo is not having any symptoms, you don't have to stress him out with a whole lot of medication. The Lysine is a good preventive for several problems in cats so do give him that. There is a formula made just for cats. I tried dumping a 500mg capsule divided into their 4 water bowls and the result was a boycott of the water. I tasted some of the lysine powder and it was awful, bitter. So much for an easy solution. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] introduction and some questions
Kudos to your vet. I was lucky to have a great vet when I found my 1st FeLV cat. She never even mentioned euthanizing. She just laid out a plan for integrating them into the household. If the IFA is negative he could still throw off the virus. In my experience most cats born with FeLV do not live much more than a year. I do have one right now that I got as a 3 month old kitten. I don't know for sure if she was born with it. She lived outside an empty house. No idea what happened to mom. But she is about 3 years old doing great. Fingers crossed :) Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] introduction and some questions Hi Beth, Thank you so much for the fast reply! I should give credit to the vet that neutered him too. She said that she would never put a cat down just because he/she tests positive. I guess that is why she didn't call me right after she tested him that morning, and waited until I went in to pick him up at the end of the day to let me know. That is not the same mindset as other vets around here. So, just to follow up, if IFA turned out to be negative, does that mean he could still possibly throw off the virus? Or does that only happen very early on? I was reading a flow chart for testing, and it sounds like testing can go on for months and months if the SNAP and IFA don't match with either both pos. or both neg. results? Thank you so much for letting me know about the FVRCP vaccine. He was given that vaccine at his initial visit last year. She actually wanted to give him a 4 week booster back then, but I didn't go back and do it at that time, because he was still 'feral' and I didn't want to add any stress, and wasn't really sure if more than one was needed for an adult. Now I will NOT get him another FVRCP at all. I only asked for Purevax Rabies yesterday, not wanting to do 2 vaccines in one office visit either way. I will try to bring him in again for the IFA test, since this clinic is only a few miles away, and they also blend holistic and traditional, which is why I am also trying them for Leo. Thanks so much! By the way, if Leo was related to the other kittens from the abandoned house, they all were negative when tested. That owner took the 2 mom cats with him eventually, so I don't know if they both were neg. But I am guessing that he acquired this as an adult or he wouldn't have lived this long? Shelley Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tests advice
Maryam - Always check their gums fro anemia. I could not agree with the vet who says to only go in emergencies. FeLV cats nee to be looked at if they are not feeling well to catch things early. Good luck! Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 9:55 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Tests advice Hi everyone, I hope everyone is well. Kitty, FeLV +, who is now one year old has had a good year. She is on lysine, a fungi mush powder, tabby tabs multivitamin and is fed canned food for one meal, dr Pierson homemade poultry recipe for another meal and raw rabbit for another meal. She is growing and is now a little over 10lbs. Since Sunday afternoon she has been a bit off, not as eager to eat her food (usually she is very food oriented) or laying under the bed and not coming out unless its calm and quiet. I feel it's because this weekend and yesterday were a bit stressful, vacuuming and some loud voices. This morning she was more like herself but I'm still taking her to the vet tomorrow afternoon. I also work with a holistic vet but she is on vacation this week. I know taking her to the vet will stress her and the holistic vet recommended only going in emergencies but I'm concerned and the last time she went to a regular vet was in March. Do you have any recommendations in general and an specific tests to have done while at the vet? Thanks, Sent from my iPhone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] anemia treatments?
It depends on what is causing the anemia. FeLV can cause the blood cells to not form correctly, making them unable to multiply. That's what has happened to all mine that have died from it. There is nothing you can do about that. Sometimes it is Hemobartonella, caused by fleas, which can be hard to detect. The treatment for that is Doxy, which usually starts working pretty quickly. There are others here who have dealt with other causes of it who may have more suggestions. Good luck. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: KG BarnCats kgbarnc...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:05 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] anemia treatments? What anemia treatments have proven effective for your FELV+ cats? I don't have money for transfusions. Will price LTCI this morning. Kg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] A Tribute to Polli
What a sweet story, Amanda. I can tell you loved her very much. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Amanda K. Payne amandak.pa...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] A Tribute to Polli Bonnie, It brings a smile to my face thinking of Polli disease-free. FeLV robbed her of so much and every day she was ill, I just wanted to make her better so she could enjoy the things she once loved. I can only hope that somewhere, she's fetching toy mice again and singing for treats. Thank you for your sweet words and blessings. We appreciate it during these difficult times. Best, -Amanda On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Amanda, your heart-felt words bring tears to my eyes. A sweet tribute to a deserving being. Blessings to you and your wonderful man during this difficult time. And Polli…we know she now can be pain and disease free in the land of rainbows. Peace Bonnie From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amanda K. Payne Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 7:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] A Tribute to Polli It was just another hot August morning when our upstairs neighbors frantically called my boyfriend. He went out to see what was wrong and came back, worried. He told me I needed to come check something out. Concerned, I went into the foyer and frantically running around and mewing was a tiny gray and white kitten with huge white paws. That was the morning we first met Polli. She was dirty, blanketed with fleas and had a terrible URI that had glued her little eyes shut. Our neighbors couldn’t keep her due to a cat-aggressive dog and my boyfriend wasn’t a pet person who was absolutely against us having another cat. However, we live in a city with high kill shelters and there was no way this little cat would make it out alive. Without a second thought, I rushed her into our home and called the local vet. I promised my guy that once she recovered, I would find a new home for her. Who knew that within those two weeks it took for her to become healthy and strong that she would have also stolen our hearts, officially making my boyfriend a “cat person.” Or as he would say, “a Polli person.” Since August of 2012, we have been the lucky guardians of this sweet girl. Polli, named for her polydactyl paws and the gray dot on her pink nose that reminded us of the dot on a lower-case ‘i’, was like no other cat I have known. As a friend once said, she has the sweetest soul of any creature he has ever met. She rushed to greet whomever came to our home, spent countless hours sprawled out across my boyfriend’s chest and would wake me at 6:30 every morning by sweetly meeping at our bedroom door, waiting to come in to lay in my arms and chew on my hair before falling back asleep. Since her diagnosis in March, the little cat we love slowly faded. Even though the vet gave her just two weeks, she fought on for close to four months, earning her the nickname, “Tiny Brawler”. During those months, we let our hearts spill forth and gave her so much love and affection. Windows were left open for her to rest in, plates full of treats and wet food were always present and not a day went by that we didn’t kiss her little head and tell her what a wonderful cat she was. Her strong will to live and give love was no match for the terrible ways FeLV ravaged her body. We wanted her to leave this earth knowing love and comfort and assisted her passing this afternoon. Her spirit left this earth as her body laid in one of her favorite spots in our kitchen with both my guy and I petting and kissing her. Her life, though short, was filled with love, a full belly and warm home that will feel empty without her. To my sweet Polli, may your spirit soar high with birds and find its place at the Rainbow Bridge. You will be forever missed and loved by so many people, especially Austin and I. -Amanda -- There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge Bertrand Russell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge Bertrand Russell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT-diatomaceous earth - warning
There's a good bit of info out there about it. People do actually eat it. I dd not mean to clog up the list with this post. Just wanted to send out a warning of my experience. I did not use a flour sifter to apply it. I gently spread it on the floor gently swept it into the cracks, creating no visible dust , but it still affected me enough I was afraid I was going to have to call 911. I am still having breathing problems this morning as I did not get it all out of the house. I imagine that will take a long time. It burned my skin. Someone had mentioned that you could actually put it on your animals. If it burned my skin, I cannot imagine putting it on one of my animals. I do have very sensitive skin (I have to have fragrance free lotion) I do get flu-like symptoms around cleaning products, so maybe my body is just extra sensitive. Just wanted to make sure people are cautious when using this test a small area 1st to make sure it does not adversely affect you. If it works great for you with no problems, that's wonderful. I would keep using it. I wish I could. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: C PQ c...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT-diatomaceous earth - warning I know someone that FEEDS it to her cats. That can't be good after hearing your experience. If it's a desiccant, then I would think it might cause internal damage. Anyone know anything about that? - Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=Y3BxMzc0NQ%3D%3D On 07-01, Beth wrote: I don't want to start a barrage of OT emails with this post. Just a quick warnng to be careful I tried the food grade diatomaceous earth this weekend to try to stop the fleas. I have all hardwood floors - really old ones, with lots of crevices for the flea eggs to hide in. I wore a good sanding mask which blocks small particles. I opened the windows (as many as I could without danger of the cats getting out). I sprinkled it in the product on the floors using a sieve. I gently swept it into the cracks in the floor in my bedroom hallway. If did not create any visible dust clouds, etc. I went outside, took the mask off sat for a bit. When I went back inside I could not breath. My mouth immediately became parched my throat started closing. I grabbed some water went back outside. I spent the rest of the day with the mask back on washing the floors trying to get rid of the stuff. Please be careful. I am a very active, relatively young person. I don't have breathing issues. This was quite scary. In addition to the breathing issues, some of it got on my skin it just burned. Again, yes, this was the food grade kind. I know people on this list use it have no problems. That's great. But if you have not tried it, please be careful if you do. Try it in a very small area, first. I guess I will go back to vacuuming flea combing. I may use the rest in the yard since most of the problem seems to be my dog bringing them in from outside. Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
Patricia - Have you put up flyers around your complex? I had a cat escape when some workers were working at a condo I used to live at. We didn't see him for a week, but still put out food let all the neighbors know. A neighbor spotted him we found he was living in a crack between 2 buildings. I had to hire a professional pet rescuer to get him. out. It took 2 weeks to get him back. I really had thought I would never see him again, but, my vet told me to keep looking. She said cats rarely ever go far. I hope you find your baby. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Patricia Romagna msp...@verizon.net To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 8:15 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Hi, I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions. My cat, William (as in Shakespeare) ran away last month. I just hope that he found a loving family. When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to my house just in case he returned home. I live in a townhouse community so every house looks the same and he never left the house before. I will probably get another high needs cat. I adopted William knowing that he had leukemia. Basically I want to adopt a cat that no one else wants. Wishing all of the best to the members of the group. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] OT-diatomaceous earth - warnig
I don't want to start a barrage of OT emails with this post. Just a quick warnng to be careful I tried the food grade diatomaceous earth this weekend to try to stop the fleas. I have all hardwood floors - really old ones, with lots of crevices for the flea eggs to hide in. I wore a good sanding mask which blocks small particles. I opened the windows (as many as I could without danger of the cats getting out). I sprinkled it in the product on the floors using a sieve. I gently swept it into the cracks in the floor in my bedroom hallway. If did not create any visible dust clouds, etc. I went outside, took the mask off sat for a bit. When I went back inside I could not breath. My mouth immediately became parched my throat started closing. I grabbed some water went back outside. I spent the rest of the day with the mask back on washing the floors trying to get rid of the stuff. Please be careful. I am a very active, relatively young person. I don't have breathing issues. This was quite scary. In addition to the breathing issues, some of it got on my skin it just burned. Again, yes, this was the food grade kind. I know people on this list use it have no problems. That's great. But if you have not tried it, please be careful if you do. Try it in a very small area, first. I guess I will go back to vacuuming flea combing. I may use the rest in the yard since most of the problem seems to be my dog bringing them in from outside. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] goodby little one
So sorry Karen. At least she didn't die alone outside. Some of them are with us for such a short time, but they still make a big impression on our hearts. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Karen Harshbarger harshbargerka...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 12:02 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] goodby little one It is with a sad heart that I remember a little cat that came into our lives one cold winter morning this past winter. She lost her battle with feline leukemia last night. Little Squirt --- later to become Penelope (Penny) squeezed her way into our outside kennel and into our hearts. She was sick and needed help, shelter and love; which we gave without question. With medical care, she seemed to become better. We already had so many cats, so I put out a cry for help and assistance. Panora P.E.T.S.. (bless their hearts) offered to take her and her brother to try to help them find a forever home. They found them a foster home while waiting, but soon learned that Penelope had to leave her brother for a new foster home and a cat friend (that also has feline leukemia) because it was discovered she had feline leukemia. She seemed to be doing okay, but this horrible illness finely claimed her life. I remember a beautiful sweet loving cat that was so tiny and loved to be cuddled and cradled like a baby in my arms. Hopefully her friend that she made hereour other cat (Tig) that also lost his battle to this horrible illnessare now playing together in cat heaven and never know illness or pain again---nothing but happiness. Poor little Penelope never found her forever home here on earthbut I know she at least found love from all of those that tried to help her, including us. I cried when we took her to Panora but knew they could give her a better chance of finding a inside loving home. Penelope---know we will always love you and Tig, and you will forever be in our hearts. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts
Yes, anemia is no way to go. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts I see this differently. So does The Winn Foundation. They say; Finally, some cats can develop latent or sequestered infection. This probably happens to about 5-10% of cats. These cats, whose virus is hiding in sites such as the bone marrow, will rarely be contagious and are unlikely to develop illness. They will not test positive on routine testing. True, IF the virus is latent and hiding in the bone marrow, but when a cat is severely anemic the virus is active, and the cat will suffer a painful death. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts
So sorry Amanda - The heavy breathing could be the anemia getting much worse. Keeping you Polli in thy thoughts. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Amanda K. Payne amandak.pa...@gmail.com To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:09 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts Hi everyone! Please send some good energy to my Polli. She's have a rough few days and I'm not sure she'll come out of this. She was diagnosed with severe anemia back at the beginning of March. She rebounded but not completely. Recently, her breathing has become a bit more labored. We also noticed she's pulling out her own fur and has some strange lumps on her stomach. I'm really worried that the end is near for her and feel so guilty that I couldn't do more. Please keep us in your thoughts. It's going to be a tough few days. Best, -Amanda -- There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge Bertrand Russell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba
Covernia was the 1st antibiotic he was given. I'm clad it worked for your boy. Id did nothing for Bubba. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 5:17 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba Hi Beth - I just had a similar problem with Percy. He's a cat who originally tested FeLv+ but turned to negative after 3 months of intensive care, feeding, vitamins, and vet treatment. So a couple of weeks ago, he suddenly stopped eating. He was a real fatso and lost about 2 pounds in 2 weeks. Took to vet for what looked like eye infection. Poor cat had a 103 fever. Since Percy is a difficult boy to pill (unless you like bitten fingers and scratched arms) the vet gave him Convenia, a long acting antibiotic injection. In 3 days he was eating, grooming and acting normal (being a pest when I scooped the litter box and standing on my foot). He still isn't up to par though. I can feel his backbone which is not good since he originally looked like a furry whale. I'm still concerned with his health but so far, he's gobbling up his food normally. Ask your vet about Convenia. It's not for everyone but it is for caregivers who want to survive caring for an ill and ill tempered cat. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] We let Bubba go.
We did the ultrasound Friday. It showed enlarged spleen kidneys. Vet thinks spleen was probably cancerous. I was not putting him through any more. He had just been laying around for 2 1/2 weeks, mostly having to be force fed. I did that with my 1st FeLV I said I would never do it again. I did it at 1st because he had a URI I knew he could get over that. But once that was gone he didn't get better as far as activity eating. It was a really sad decision. I had had a tough time with him at first because he peed on everything. Thanks to some things I learned from watching Jackson Galaxy we got him out of that habit he was becoming a total sweetheart. He just loved to walk up to you an put his head against you. Some hit you harder than others. This was pretty difficult. The lady who found him is having him cremated for me. Thanks guys for just being there. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] For Lance - Ember
What is going on with Ember? Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Callie
Lance please don't beat yourself up. Things happen we just have to deal with what is going forward. It is unlikely Callie got infected unless there was food they were sharing. Thinking of you, Callie, Ember. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 1:07 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Callie Hi everyone, Please pray for my mom's cat, Callie. I mentioned her here a few weeks ago, after my FeLV+ cat, Ember, bit Callie when she accidentally got into Ember's room. Callie has had soft stools for the last four days, and there was blood on her stool on Saturday. Since Callie hasn't been vaccinated since she was a kitten, she probably has no immunity from that route. She is 7 years old, and I'm hoping that she'll be able to deal with the virus better having a more mature immune system. People talk about age resistance with FeLV, but I don't think it can be relied on. I'm dealing with an incredible amount of guilt over this. I love Callie like I love Ember. She's one of my favorite cats ever. It was my fault that she got into Ember's room, and it's my fault that Ember is still here with my parents. It's also my fault that we didn't vaccinate Callie, as I worried about vax site sarcoma for Callie, and the few run-ins that had happened between the two cats over the last seven years were always brief and friendly. I also feel guilty as, if I'd just gotten in the room (quite literally) a minute or so sooner, this wouldn't have happened. Please pray that Callie can fight the virus so that she isn't persistently infected, and please pray for me. I'm dealing with a lot. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba
The bite did not abscess. He never had anemia. He has to be put under for an ultrasound. You can hardly touch his sides/stomach without being bitten. He has always been that way I have been asking for an ultrasound eve since I got him, but the lady who brought him to me was in the hospital, so we are just getting around to it now. I really thought I was ready to let him go this morning. He was very restless last night. But I'm thinking that may have been the cypro I gave him. I have not seen improvement in 2 weeks I really think we will let him go tomorrow. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba Hi Beth, Do you think the infection/inflammation is from the possible bite on his tail? Did it abcess? What antibiotic is he being given for that? So the anemia has resolved? That's very positive, and it's not unusual for cats with a fever to be inappetant. I understand that most people don't choose to use nsaids in cats, but ketoprofen seemed to work wonders for Gribble's hih fever. Does he need to be completely anesthetised for an ultrasound? Have you had problems with him in the past? I've never needed anyone put out completely, can you discuss sedation with your Vet? Other than a tender belly, are there symptoms that lead you to suspect a tumor? I'm sorry he doesn't seem to be improving, will keep the positive energies flowing his way, Hoping for better news soon, Margo -Original Message- From: Beth Sent: Jun 18, 2013 10:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba Got bloodwork done yesterday. The only thing it shows is high WBC, which we figure, so he is trying to fight some sort of infection. He still has a temp of 104. Eating only a little on his own. Trying to arrange an ultrasound as his tummy has always been tender. Could be a tumor? Worried though if they put him under for the ultrasound (which they will have to do) he will not come out. Thought maybe that would be a blessing in disguise. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba How is Bubba doing now? JC microscopicwin...@yahoo.com wrote: He's in my thoughts and prayers, as are you.. --- On Wed, 6/12/13, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:59 PM Poor Bubba! I'm sorry he's having such a rough time, and a rude bite on the tail to top it off. Hopefully he can clear the Hemobart and move on. I'll add him to the purrayers list. Best wishes to you and Bubba, Lance On Jun 12, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey guys need some positive energy for one of my FeLV fosters - Bubba. He had been battling a URI. Tried a couple different antibiotics, and finally, after a week the URI cleared he started eating on his own last Sunday. Well as soon as I took him off the Doxy he started going down again. We went to the shelter this afternoon thankfully they had a wonderful vet volunteering who has experience in FeLV kitties. We're wondering now if he has Hemobart since he starting going down after withdrawing the Doxy. His gums were pink, though. I've had a constant battle with fleas. Advantage was no longer working so I switched Frontline, but that doesn't seem to be working well either. He got fluids, more Doxy, Prenisone, Cyproheptadine, Capstar AD. On top of that it looks like he has a cat bite o his tail. Poor baby. Going to go home tonight spend some one-on-one time with him. Just being able to talk to you guys about these babies really helps. At least I feel like someone understands how helpless I feel sometimes. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba
Got bloodwork done yesterday. The only thing it shows is high WBC, which we figure, so he is trying to fight some sort of infection. He still has a temp of 104. Eating only a little on his own. Trying to arrange an ultrasound as his tummy has always been tender. Could be a tumor? Worried though if they put him under for the ultrasound (which they will have to do) he will not come out. Thought maybe that would be a blessing in disguise. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba How is Bubba doing now? JC microscopicwin...@yahoo.com wrote: He's in my thoughts and prayers, as are you.. --- On Wed, 6/12/13, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:59 PM Poor Bubba! I'm sorry he's having such a rough time, and a rude bite on the tail to top it off. Hopefully he can clear the Hemobart and move on. I'll add him to the purrayers list. Best wishes to you and Bubba, Lance On Jun 12, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey guys need some positive energy for one of my FeLV fosters - Bubba. He had been battling a URI. Tried a couple different antibiotics, and finally, after a week the URI cleared he started eating on his own last Sunday. Well as soon as I took him off the Doxy he started going down again. We went to the shelter this afternoon thankfully they had a wonderful vet volunteering who has experience in FeLV kitties. We're wondering now if he has Hemobart since he starting going down after withdrawing the Doxy. His gums were pink, though. I've had a constant battle with fleas. Advantage was no longer working so I switched Frontline, but that doesn't seem to be working well either. He got fluids, more Doxy, Prenisone, Cyproheptadine, Capstar AD. On top of that it looks like he has a cat bite o his tail. Poor baby. Going to go home tonight spend some one-on-one time with him. Just being able to talk to you guys about these babies really helps. At least I feel like someone understands how helpless I feel sometimes. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] congenital peritoneopericardial diaphragmatic hernia
That's a tough decision, Lance. It does sound like she may be in pain, which is a stress, but so is surgery. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] congenital peritoneopericardial diaphragmatic hernia Hi Kat, That's good advice. As far as I know, Ember has done well with anesthesia. She's had two dentals in the last three years, and she was anesthetized for the CT scan two weeks ago. However, the stress of surgery is another consideration. Since Ember is doing reasonably well (other than a URI she might have right now), it might be prudent to take care of the hernia since she is showing symptoms of it. Unfortunately, it's a lot to think about. I'm hoping to talk to her primary vet today to discuss this some more. Lance On Jun 14, 2013, at 7:58 AM, kat merrykatme...@email.com wrote: Hi Lance, I have not had experience with congenital hernias - but I would be concerned since Ember is FelV+ You might want to check back with her 2 vets about using anesthesia putting her thru the stress of surgery. Kat (Mew Jersey) - Original Message - From: Lance Sent: 06/13/13 04:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] [OT] congenital peritoneopericardial diaphragmatic hernia My 11 year old FeLV+, Ember, was diagnosed with a congenital peritoneopericardial diaphragmatic hernia after CT scans and a consult between a surgeon and a radiologist. So far, her symptoms haven't been too scary: rapid breathing (but not open mouth breathing or panting) and an odd posture she sometimes assumes where she will stand with her forelegs and lie down with her back legs. This tells me that she might be having some discomfort (one lobe of her liver is involved in the hernia). She settles into lying down without problem, and she rests normally. The symptoms have only begun in the last few months, as far as I know (Ember and I weren't in the same part of the world for almost a year). We'd been fearing cancer, so this would seem to be good news. The surgeon is gung-ho to take care of business, and he has an excellent reputation with a lot of experience and education. However, I just spoke to one of Ember's two vets about this, and he said, If she were my cat, I don't think I would do it. He's concerned about moving the liver, and more importantly, about the surgeon having enough to work with when the hernia is likely congenital. Has anyone on the list had experience with congenital hernias in cats? I'd really like to get some more input before I make a decision. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] congenital peritoneopericardial diaphragmatic hernia
Yes, what we all want is more time. Wishing you and Ember the best. What color is she, btw? Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] congenital peritoneopericardial diaphragmatic hernia It's very tough. Surgeon is ready to go, and one vet says, Be careful. Most of what I've read seems to indicate that the surgery is *usually* safe, and that any complications should be minor. However, we all know how that goes... I'd just like more time with my sweet girl. On Jun 14, 2013, at 11:28 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: That's a tough decision, Lance. It does sound like she may be in pain, which is a stress, but so is surgery. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] congenital peritoneopericardial diaphragmatic hernia
I would definitely want to take my babies somewhere where there is a person there with the animals all night. She is beautiful! Black cats are my favorite! Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] congenital peritoneopericardial diaphragmatic hernia Thank you for your thoughts, Margo. Yes, surgery is stressful, and it could cause the FeLV to kick in. We've been very fortunate, but you never know what will happen when FeLV, FIV, or any other random health issue is in the mix. I am concerned that the hernia could progress. Maybe it won't happen tomorrow or next week or next month, but it seems like something to treat sooner rather than pressing our luck. It does seem like this particular operation has a low incidence of mortality, and that the complications are usually easy to deal with. Hyperthermia is one of the most common complications, and that seems easy enough to guard against. I am considering taking her farther away to a veterinary teaching hospital, though the surgeon who did the diagnostic seems to be prepared for possibilities. I know that someone stays at his office all night to check on the animals. Still, yuck. Lance On Jun 14, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Lance, That's a really tough call. On the plus side is that Ember seems to tolerate anesthesia just fine. The unknown is whether the stress of surgery and recovery will kick the FeLV back in. Gribble went under anesthesia to treat a partial urinary blockage, and that procedure seemed to be the catalyst that brought his FeLV to the surface. Before that we assumed that his negative FeLV/FIV test was accurate. But he would likely not have survived without the procedure. So it wasn't really optional. I would think that Ember's hernia is somewhat the same. It is causing her distress, and could worsen. I can't possibly understand how you feel, but I think were she my cat, I would try to get her as ready as possible with whatever treatments have seemed to be beneficial to her to, and have the hernia repaired. The only other option seems to be to treat her palliatively, with the hope that her symptoms don't progress. I'm thinking we'll all face this kind of choice, eventually. Mako has a lump on his side. We're watching it. Maybe it will stay the same. Maybe we'll be faced with a similar dilemma. I am sure that your choice will be the right one for Ember. It won't be easy, but you'll research and weigh the alternatives. And you will hold Ember's best interests first and foremost. All the best, Margo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] diatomaceous earth
Yes, I there has been a lot of discussion on this topic in the past. I am curious how you get it on the cat or spread it around on hardwood floors without the cats inhaling it. Seems like you'd have to be awfully careful. That's what has kept me from trying it. I have no carpets. All hardwoods. Do you have to use a respirator mark when applying it? Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: KG BarnCats kgbarnc...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] diatomaceous earth Must use food grade! The food grade can be fed, mixed on wet canned food. Although it feels silky like baby powder, it is actually made of tiny spiky ball shaped shlls which scratch and dehydrate. It works mechanically so pests can't develop immunity. Kills internal worms when eaten in canned food (good for kittens, ferals, or in/out cats), and can use topically or environmentally... can be used against fleas, ants, roaches etc. Can be sprinkled in feral cat straw bedding in their shelters. Can be rubbed directly into fur. Can be used in carpeting, furniture, corners, cracks, etc if vacuumed up after a while. I have heard to leave it a day or two. Just don't breathe it in, again like baby powder - avoid making clouds while sprinkling. Some say you can use it in the yard but I wouldn't advise that due to all the unintended victims. if bugs are getting in, can put DE around foundation, just reapply after rain. My friends had ants really bad and DE took care of it quickly. Get it cheap at local farm supply. I paid $20 for 50 lbs of food grade, enough for years. Kg On Thursday, June 13, 2013, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: For fleas in your house you might want to use FOOD GRADE diatomaceous earth. Be sure it's the food grade, not the other type because the non-food grade can get into the lungs and cause all sorts of problems. I had a major flea infestation in my outside enclosure shed which is home to ten cats who are inappropriate for house living. My friend gave me a bag of food grade diatomaceous earth which I spread on the floor of the shed and swept it on in a very thin layer. I closed the shed door for that day and night (good weather so the cats could be in their outside completely escape proof area. The next day, when I went into the shed and then stepped outside, there were no nasty black little specks hopping on my pants leg. Nothing. The fleas were gone. It was then easier for the Frontline Plus I use on the cats to do its thing. I even treated part of their yard with the stuff with excellent results and no harmful chemicals. The food grade diatomaceous earth is used as a supplement in feed for cows, horses and dogs so even if the cats lick it off their fur, it will do no harm. It's a calcium supplement. It's excellent for treating carpets and if you don't mind a grey sheen on your lino or wood floors, it's good for that also. For floors, sweep it around the woodwork along the walls and down into crevices where the lino doesn't fit so well against the wall, if you have that problem. It's great for dark closets and behind appliances, even for treating sofas and futons, if you vacuum it out after a few hours. Diatomaceous earth works on the principle of dehydrating the soft underside of the flea. What you end up with is a dead, dehydrated flea. It works on any insect that has a soft underside. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: JC microscopicwin...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba He's in my thoughts and prayers, as are you.. --- On Wed, 6/12/13, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:59 PM Poor Bubba! I'm sorry he's having such a rough time, and a rude bite on the tail to top it off. Hopefully he can clear the Hemobart and move on. I'll add him to the purrayers list. Best wishes to you and Bubba, Lance On Jun 12, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey guys need some positive energy for one of my FeLV fosters - Bubba. He had been battling a URI. Tried a couple different antibiotics, and finally, after a week the URI cleared he started eating on his own last Sunday. Well as soon as I took him off the Doxy he started going down again. We went to the shelter this afternoon thankfully they had a wonderful vet volunteering who has experience in FeLV kitties. We're wondering now if he has Hemobart since he starting going down after withdrawing the Doxy. His gums were pink, though. I've had a constant battle with fleas
Re: [Felvtalk] feline leukemia tests
Karen - What your vet suggested is what I would suggest what we do at the shelter. You would do an IFA only if they test positive on the in-house SNAP test. The IFA would tell you if the virus cannot be thrown off. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Karen Harshbarger harshbargerka...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 1:33 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] feline leukemia tests I had my 5 cats tested for feline leukemia when believed to be exposed. First test 4 tested positive and yesterday (90 days later) all 5 tested negative. my vet said retest in 45 days and see what we get. If two test with same diagnosis then that is the results. Has anyone ever had this and/or what do you have to say about what is going on with my guys? He used the quick in house test---for get the name---not the send out lab test that takes longer for results. Thanks Karen ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba
Hey guys need some positive energy for one of my FeLV fosters - Bubba. He had been battling a URI. Tried a couple different antibiotics, and finally, after a week the URI cleared he started eating on his own last Sunday. Well as soon as I took him off the Doxy he started going down again. We went to the shelter this afternoon thankfully they had a wonderful vet volunteering who has experience in FeLV kitties. We're wondering now if he has Hemobart since he starting going down after withdrawing the Doxy. His gums were pink, though. I've had a constant battle with fleas. Advantage was no longer working so I switched Frontline, but that doesn't seem to be working well either. He got fluids, more Doxy, Prenisone, Cyproheptadine, Capstar AD. On top of that it looks like he has a cat bite o his tail. Poor baby. Going to go home tonight spend some one-on-one time with him. Just being able to talk to you guys about these babies really helps. At least I feel like someone understands how helpless I feel sometimes. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba
Yes, I'm very lucky our shelter has access to a lot of meds. He is over the URI, but back to not eating. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba Hi Beth, All healing energies headed your way for Bubba. Most URI's are viral, and the most common is herpes. Have you tried famciclovir? Has done wonders for my boys. You're very lucky to have access to doxy, now that it is so expensive and scarce, most places don't have it. Hope it does the job. If you can trade the prednisone for prednisolone, it will be more bio-available for Bubba. The capstar should knock out the fleas if you can keep him from re-infesting. Fortunately Advantage still seems to be effective for me, Frontline never did work. Wishing him a swift and complete recovery, All the best, Margo ---Original Message- From: Beth Sent: Jun 12, 2013 3:51 PM To: FeLV Talk Subject: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba Hey guys need some positive energy for one of my FeLV fosters - Bubba. He had been battling a URI. Tried a couple different antibiotics, and finally, after a week the URI cleared he started eating on his own last Sunday. Well as soon as I took him off the Doxy he started going down again. We went to the shelter this afternoon thankfully they had a wonderful vet volunteering who has experience in FeLV kitties. We're wondering now if he has Hemobart since he starting going down after withdrawing the Doxy. His gums were pink, though. I've had a constant battle with fleas. Advantage was no longer working so I switched Frontline, but that doesn't seem to be working well either. He got fluids, more Doxy, Prenisone, Cyproheptadine, Capstar AD. On top of that it looks like he has a cat bite o his tail. Poor baby. Going to go home tonight spend some one-on-one time with him. Just being able to talk to you guys about these babies really helps. At least I feel like someone understands how helpless I feel sometimes. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence
Our shelter tests on intake on the snap test. Positives are immediately re-tested to make sure there was no error. If retest is positive we do an IFA. If the IFA is negative we wait retest on the snap In an ideal world all rescues that tested negative would be quarantined for 3 months rested to make sure they really are negative, since the virus can take 3 months to show up on the snap test. But that just is not feasible. I don't have any suggestions on your second question. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Amanda K. Payne amandak.pa...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 4:57 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence Hi Everyone! I have two questions today regarding FeLV. First, for anyone who has worked in the rescue world, what is your testing protocol? I volunteer w/ several cat/kitten rescues in Los Angeles. I recently found a litter in my garage and they're staying in my guest room until I can find a foster. I have two FeLV+ cats so I'm overly cautious and don't want other cats in the house, even if they're in the spare room away from my cats. One of the rescues found another foster for the litter but the new foster has a cat. I got to talking to her about FeLV and now she won't take the kittens without them being tested--which I TOTALLY agree with. However, the rescue doesn't seem to think it necessary. Am I just paranoid? I think all cats and kittens should be tested before being introduced into a new household. However, I feel like an ass for talking too much because I may have wrecked their potential foster home. I also know that testing isn't the most economical thing to do--LAAS doesn't even test their animals until they are adopted out. How does everyone feel about testing vs. not testing? Also, my girl, Polli (the one who wasn't eating a few weeks ago) has terrible gas. It clears the room. She's eating, drinking and using the litter box fine. She's always had problems with flatulence but now that she's showing signs of leukemia related illnesses, I once again just want to make sure it's not a sign of something bigger. Anyone have FeLV kitties with gas? Or a gassy cat for that matter? Talk to ya'll soon and I hope everyone's kitties are doing well! Best, -Amanda -- There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge Bertrand Russell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] prayers
Karen- Wishing Cole well. I just went through the same thing with one of my FeLV's I had to force-feed him for a week. He finally started eating a little on his own this past Sunday. He had a URI, though it was hard to tell he was congested until you got right next to him could hear a little wheezing. You do just have to treat the symptoms as with any other cat. The only thing I would make sure of is that his gums are pink. I hope he feels better soon. I know how hard it is to see them sick. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Karen Harshbarger harshbargerka...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 3:30 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] prayers Just need some prayers tonight for Cole. He tested positive along with his brothers for feline leukemia about 3 months ago. The have all been doing pretty good, eating well, playing, happy and loving, etc. But then two of his brothers started having problems with scab like bumps and the vet doesn't seem to know what it is. Now Cole refused to eat his supper tonight and I am so worried for him and his brothers. They are due for their second test in about a week. They were doing so good I was hoping that they would test negative and was able to fight their exposure. But now with this I am so afraid for them. And not eating is the worst, cause I am so afraid he won't start eating again. Please say a prayer for him that it is just a little normal stomach upset and tomorrow he will clean his plate at breakfast. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle
L-Lysine is good, also. I cc twice per day. I usually only use it when they get sick, like my cat with the URI, but some people use it every day. It doesn't taste bad. It also comes in a powder you can sprinkle on their food. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 11:07 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle Hi All, So I am getting myself ready for the emergency situations, since the most important thing with felv cats is not to let them get sick. I am wondering what exactly do I need? So far I've got on my list: scale to monitor their weight, thermometer, antibiotics (in case i see any scratches) to prevent infections. I definitely need something good for immune system. I also talked with the vet and we decided to put them on interferon alpha...may help. Please, members with felv experience, let me know what else could be helpful. Thanks, Kasia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle
You can get L-Lysine pills, but they also make a gel - Viralys, that is really easy to administer. L-Lysine can help boost the immune system also helps treat stomatitis, which is very prevalent in FeLV cats. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle I use Lysine as well, to keep herpes infection at bay. 250 mgs per cat, twice a day(in food) for prevention, 500 for an outbreak. I don't think it helps with much other that herpes, but it's on my can't-hurt-might-help list :) Margo -Original Message- From: Beth Sent: Jun 7, 2013 11:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle L-Lysine is good, also. I cc twice per day. I usually only use it when they get sick, like my cat with the URI, but some people use it every day. It doesn't taste bad. It also comes in a powder you can sprinkle on their food. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 11:07 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle Hi All, So I am getting myself ready for the emergency situations, since the most important thing with felv cats is not to let them get sick. I am wondering what exactly do I need? So far I've got on my list: scale to monitor their weight, thermometer, antibiotics (in case i see any scratches) to prevent infections. I definitely need something good for immune system. I also talked with the vet and we decided to put them on interferon alpha...may help. Please, members with felv experience, let me know what else could be helpful. Thanks, Kasia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle
I've personally had success using Viralys with stomatitis. The shelter gives it to me. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle Hi Beth, Could you point me towards more information about that? While I've heard it mentioned, I haven't foundanything to support it, and am very interested. I use the Now L-Lysine powder, about $13 per pound. Margo -Original Message- From: Beth Sent: Jun 7, 2013 2:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle You can get L-Lysine pills, but they also make a gel - Viralys, that is really easy to administer. L-Lysine can help boost the immune system also helps treat stomatitis, which is very prevalent in FeLV cats. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle I use Lysine as well, to keep herpes infection at bay. 250 mgs per cat, twice a day(in food) for prevention, 500 for an outbreak. I don't think it helps with much other that herpes, but it's on my can't-hurt-might-help list :) Margo -Original Message- From: Beth Sent: Jun 7, 2013 11:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle L-Lysine is good, also. I cc twice per day. I usually only use it when they get sick, like my cat with the URI, but some people use it every day. It doesn't taste bad. It also comes in a powder you can sprinkle on their food. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 11:07 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle Hi All, So I am getting myself ready for the emergency situations, since the most important thing with felv cats is not to let them get sick. I am wondering what exactly do I need? So far I've got on my list: scale to monitor their weight, thermometer, antibiotics (in case i see any scratches) to prevent infections. I definitely need something good for immune system. I also talked with the vet and we decided to put them on interferon alpha...may help. Please, members with felv experience, let me know what else could be helpful. Thanks, Kasia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New To Group
Kasia - We've all made mistakes, but we have to go on and do the best we can with what the current situation is. I unknowingly infected a kitten once before I knew much about FeLV. No, your life isn't over. I currently have 4 FeLV cats. 2 I have had for 3 years. They have a much better chance at a longer life if they get it when they are older. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New To Group Lorrie, Yesterday I had the rest of the cats tested for FelV, and they all turned out to be positive. I have 6 cats suffering from FelV and one has lymphoma; I feel like my life has just ended. Kasia Kasia, I unknowingly mixed two FelV cats into my group, and the two positive cats are now 5 years old and in apparent good health in spite of being positive. There were several other older cats (not kittens) who were exposed and only one became very sick and had to be PTS. The other 9 cats are still fine. One has been tested twice and still remains negative. FelV is not always a death sentence for older cats who are exposed, but sadly I have found that kittens born to a FelV mother and testing positive almost always die at a year or so old. Good luck with your cats and welcome to the group. Lorrie On 06-02, kasia mosko wrote: Hello, I have six cats and one of the has been recently diagnosed with feline leukemia and lymphoma (going through a chemotherapy). I have contacted two vets regarding Jack, and my other cats, and they both tell me something totally different. One of them says that I should separate Jack, and test the other cats for Leukemia, and vaccinate them if they are negative. The second vets tells me that the cats were already exposed to the virus and hopefully their immune system was strong enough to fight it. I also understood that once a cat is exposed to it, the virus may come to the surface at any time (even though the test may show negative today it may change tomorrow), and it is too late for the vaccination. I am totally confused and not sure what my next step should be. Help would be greatly appreciated, Kasia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
I think there has to be a bit more to that story. Usually they quarantine the animal. They do need to know it was an animal bite, because they need to know how to treat it. But, yes, I would say it was a stray. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day Here's a suggestion to everyone who has cats or dogs. If your cat or dog has a bad hair day and bites/scratches you and you have to go to a doctor or emergency clinic because you are having a reaction to the saliva, afraid of infection or things like that, DO NOT TELL THEM THAT YOUR ANIMAL did the damage. If it's a bite, you can say that your parrot got off his perch and bit you or that you hammered a rusty nail into your finger, anything but an animal bite. Here where I live, a 4 year old kid was playing with his Chihuahua and was probably too rough. The dog nipped him. The parents took the kid to the doctor to have the wound cleaned. The doctor reported a dog bite. That evening Animal Control showed up with a warrant to confiscate a vicious dog. The family pet was dragged away to Animal Control and the family followed right behind. Animal Control said they would have to put the dog to death because he was determined to be a vicious dog, having bitten a child. The family was aghast. They called the Humane Society and the newspaper in an attempt to save their Chihuahua who had been with them for 8 years. Finally, after several rescue groups and a pro-bono lawyer intervened, the dog was returned to the family. The bite didn't amount to anything. But the bureaucratic mess that followed from the doctor reporting the bite lasted 3 weeks. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
Like I said they usually just quarantine the cat. Sometimes that can even be house quarantine (you agree to keep the cat inside for X number of weeks), of coarse she is already a house cat. I got bit once by one of my cats.. The dr. said he was going to report it he may have, but I never got any calls about it. I think it just depends on how overwhelmed your AC is. Beth. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day Since we're on this subject, when I was at the doc's last night, he did ask me about the bite. I told him that it had come from an indoor family cat, and explained that she doesn't have any issues. He may have reported this, but I haven't gotten a call. Yet. He wants me to get a tetanus shot. He said that the shot would be ~$85 at the office, but $5 if given by the Health Department. I sprung for the $5 script, but I'm now wondering if they're going to question me. I'd be willing to pay the money to not have to deal with them, if there's concern that they'll interrogate me or take Callie away. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
Good point about the strays, Christiane. They may want to give you rabies treatment. I've had lots of puncture wounds from cats, the one only time I went to the Dr. she said I probably had immunity since I've had so much exposure. But really, it is not something you want to take lightly. I know vet techs who have almost died because they did not get treated right away. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day I understand what you’re saying but be very very careful w. cat bites. The potential for a very tough infection in lymph nodes is if travels up to your arm is very high (and easily treated). But if you wait too long, it can be very very serious. But that’s for cats—dogs don’t have that bacteria in their mouth. And if you say it’s a stray cat that bit you, they may want to give your rabies treatment… From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 11:35 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day Here's a suggestion to everyone who has cats or dogs. If your cat or dog has a bad hair day and bites/scratches you and you have to go to a doctor or emergency clinic because you are having a reaction to the saliva, afraid of infection or things like that, DO NOT TELL THEM THAT YOUR ANIMAL did the damage. If it's a bite, you can say that your parrot got off his perch and bit you or that you hammered a rusty nail into your finger, anything but an animal bite. Here where I live, a 4 year old kid was playing with his Chihuahua and was probably too rough. The dog nipped him. The parents took the kid to the doctor to have the wound cleaned. The doctor reported a dog bite. That evening Animal Control showed up with a warrant to confiscate a vicious dog. The family pet was dragged away to Animal Control and the family followed right behind. Animal Control said they would have to put the dog to death because he was determined to be a vicious dog, having bitten a child. The family was aghast. They called the Humane Society and the newspaper in an attempt to save their Chihuahua who had been with them for 8 years. Finally, after several rescue groups and a pro-bono lawyer intervened, the dog was returned to the family. The bite didn't amount to anything. But the bureaucratic mess that followed from the doctor reporting the bite lasted 3 weeks. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
I've not been exposed to rabies as far as I know... I have been bitten by cats many times, though. Mostly from from my cats or cats at the shelter I volunteer at. None of them have ever been diagnosed with rabies. I didn't mean I have immunity to rabiesThe Dr. felt I probably had built up immunity to the bacteria in the cat's mouth. But cat bites are can cause serious problems outside of rabies. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day Beth, I'm very glad you're still with us!! You've been exposed to rabies, and not been treated? I've had the pre-exposure series, but I sure wouldn't mess with it if I thought I'd tangled with a positive critter.g. Margo -Original Message- From: Beth Sent: Jun 5, 2013 3:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day Good point about the strays, Christiane. They may want to give you rabies treatment. I've had lots of puncture wounds from cats, the one only time I went to the Dr. she said I probably had immunity since I've had so much exposure. But really, it is not something you want to take lightly. I know vet techs who have almost died because they did not get treated right away. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day I understand what you’re saying but be very very careful w. cat bites. The potential for a very tough infection in lymph nodes is if travels up to your arm is very high (and easily treated). But if you wait too long, it can be very very serious. But that’s for cats—dogs don’t have that bacteria in their mouth. And if you say it’s a stray cat that bit you, they may want to give your rabies treatment… From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 11:35 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day Here's a suggestion to everyone who has cats or dogs. If your cat or dog has a bad hair day and bites/scratches you and you have to go to a doctor or emergency clinic because you are having a reaction to the saliva, afraid of infection or things like that, DO NOT TELL THEM THAT YOUR ANIMAL did the damage. If it's a bite, you can say that your parrot got off his perch and bit you or that you hammered a rusty nail into your finger, anything but an animal bite. Here where I live, a 4 year old kid was playing with his Chihuahua and was probably too rough. The dog nipped him. The parents took the kid to the doctor to have the wound cleaned. The doctor reported a dog bite. That evening Animal Control showed up with a warrant to confiscate a vicious dog. The family pet was dragged away to Animal Control and the family followed right behind. Animal Control said they would have to put the dog to death because he was determined to be a vicious dog, having bitten a child. The family was aghast. They called the Humane Society and the newspaper in an attempt to save their Chihuahua who had been with them for 8 years. Finally, after several rescue groups and a pro-bono lawyer intervened, the dog was returned to the family. The bite didn't amount to anything. But the bureaucratic mess that followed from the doctor reporting the bite lasted 3 weeks. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
I seriously would not stress yourself too much, Lance. There was a hoarding case I worked with 20+ cats in an apartment. Several of the cats were FeLV+, but we quarantined the negatives re-checked the 6 months later they were still negative. The adults really do seem to have good immunity. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day Tetanus shot acquired. Now, back to worrying about Callie... I wish there was something that could be given within the first few days after possible exposure, but I don't think there's anything like that. I know a lot of people have negatives around positives, but I'm guessing they usually don't jump on each other and bite. I can only suspect that Ember got in a bite or two when they were tumbling. Please keep the thoughts, prayers, wishes, and vibes coming. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam
Good luck Lance. You Ember are in my thoughts. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:05 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember exam We're taking Ember to a veterinary surgeon in another town tomorrow. The main reason for going is to get diagnostics and finally know for sure what the lung mass is. I should have done this a month ago, and I'm kicking myself for not having been aggressive. Depending on what the vet says, he might be opening Ember up tomorrow to remove the tumor. I have big reservations about this, which is why I didn't pursue things more previously. But as I watched Ember eat last Thursday night, it occurred to me that I should at least find out what this is and give Ember the possibility of more time. She's been such a wonderful cat, and I'd love to have more time with her, if that's possible. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sweet double pos orange tabby boy needs a home
I mix my FeLV cats with my FIV cats with no problems, but if you foster for a shelter you def do not want to mix with fosters. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sweet double pos orange tabby boy needs a home Hi Michelle, I think you are right in this. I have combined, but it was inadvertant, and wouldn't do it conciously were there an alternative. No vaccine is 100%. Having run a foster program myself, I understand that you cannot ask them to risk either their own pets, or other fosters. I hope you can find him a home. All the best, Margo -Original Message- From: lernermiche...@aol.com Sent: May 28, 2013 3:19 PM To: felt...@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sweet double pos orange tabby boy needs a home I can't put him in with the other cats. I wouldn't do it with my own cats, one of whom is FIV+ and thus especially vulnerable to contracting FeLV, because the vaccination is not 100% effective and having seen the ravages of FeLV I would never risk that. But it's not up to me in our foster homes, anyway. I can't make other people put FeLV+ cats with their own negative cats, and we can't expose cats we are saying tested negative to FeLV and then adopt them out when they may be incubating it. Plus we cannot afford to give our foster cats 2 FeLV shots on top of everything else we do; it would add another $40/cat in vet costs even with the discount we get. thanks, though, Michelle ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction
I only maintained FVRCP vaccines when I fosterd kittens non- FeLV cats for the rescue I work with. They typically came from animal control facilites, so there was much more risk. Unless your cats are exposed to other cats, I really don't see a reason for the FVRCP vaccine. And I definitely would never vaccinate an FeLV+ cat for FVRCP. I did that once the cat got sick the next day died soon after. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction It depends on your State. Many States require the rabies vax every 3 years. Some feel older cats do not need the FVRCP vax - that previous vaccines should still be in effect. The FVRCP is recommended by the cat vaccine guidelines every 3 yrs. Sharyl From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:17 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction I have a question re vaccinations I have 2 15 year olds, one never goes out, she is terrified of outside and the other goes down on the ground to potty and then back to the deck for a snooze in the sun. Another 8 year old goes out very little and another tht stays on the deck. Do they need vaccinations? FELV they need as I have 1 positive cat, but do they need the others as their chances of contracting anything from strays, etc are very slim Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction
I agree. Once your other cats are fully vaccinated, there is no reason to separate. I have mixed my healthy (even FIV+) cats with my FeLV cats for years with no problems. You might want to search the archives on mixing for more info on this, but many of us mix our positives negative, fully vaccinate cats. By fully vaccinated I mean initial vaccine, booster, wait at least 2 weeks before mixing. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:52 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction If your other cats are vaccinated for FELV, why not let him in with them? Annie is now 8 and doing fine. Her only problem is she was an only cat in her previous home and does not like to share with other cats. (Nitnoy died after 1-1/2 years but she had been feral and lost her tail to a raccoon which really left her stressed out) But Annie only meows at them and swats them so no problem there. She and the others all think they have to sit on my lap every time I sit down and even though I have an ample lap, it is not big enough for 6 cats. That creates a problem. Betheny Laubenthal bailleyspetc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. My name is Beth. I run a feral cat rescue. That's how I ended up with Mozart, a 10 month old kitten. April 18, I took him to a spay clinic to get neutered, his rabies vaccination and for a Felv/FIV test. He tested positive for Felv. It was recommended that he immediately be euthanized. I refused. I contacted my vet. She agreed with my decision to allow him to live out his life. She retested him May 17. Again, he tested positive. This surprised me because he is a healthy cat. No symptoms at all. None of his brothers tested positive. His mom took off with his two sisters when he was 5 weeks old. Mom was feral. Have not found her or the missing kittens. My vet is awesome (which is great because my rescue takes in cats with medical issues and behavioral issues as well as ferals that cannot stay where they are). That's a lot for me to say since I have a general distrust of vets for various reasons. Anyways, she is looking for another felv cat for me to introduce to Mozart as a playmate. Mozart is locked in my bedroom. Other cats in my home were tested. They were negative. We are vaccinating with a 4 way vaccine with leukemia. I am in the process of ordering more vaccination-with and without leukemia. I have him on a raw diet. Been raw feeding for over 3 years-not the least bit concerned about bacteria. I feel as if it is safe and beneficial to feed Mozart this diet. I am looking into this treatment for him: http://tcyte.com/cat-owner-information/ Anyone have any luck with it? Anyone hear of it? Does anyone have any advice they can give to me? Also, what about vaccines? I am concerned about the increase chance of vaccine related sarcomas. Thank you! --Beth Laubenthal ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines
No vaccine is 100% I've been mixing mine for over 10 years have had no negative, vaccinated cats catch the virus. Even my 2 vaccinated FIV cats never caught it. And I have had the negatives retested several times. I've had as many as 5 positives 5 negatives at one time. No transmission. I'd say the vaccine is pretty effective. Of coarse I think cats get more immune to it as they age. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: cer...@new.rr.com cer...@new.rr.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines I have a question about vaccines against FeLeuk itself. I have read that they are not entirely effective, at least not in their current form. Any thoughts? I mean the ones you give your non-positive cats when mixing with those who actually have it. Thanks-Chris C. From: Margo Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccines . ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Glad to hear the update on Ember, Lance! Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Thank you, Heather. We need all the thoughts, prayers, good vibes, etc. that we can get. We're looking at possible metastasized cancer. Still monitoring a likely mass in her lungs, and her extreme anisocoria may be caused by a small tumor. That's an unknown right now. I'm glad that you've gotten such a good amount of time with Shiiva, and that she has been one of the exceptional cases that defies what is generally expected with cancer. I read about these cases, and while I know they're not the norm, they do give me hope. I'm considering a B-12 shot for Ember. We did one about six weeks ago, and while I'm not sure that it helped, I'm willing to give it another try. I've been looking at Life Gold, which is the current cancer supplement made by Pet Wellbeing. I've seen it mentioned on the Yahoo! feline cancer list. I'm waiting to talk to the holistic vet about it before I order. I might try the juice trick you mentioned. I hear tuna water works for that, too. Best to you and Shiiva, Lance On May 9, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: Sending good thoughts to Ember and to you. My Shiiva (not felv+) is just turning 18 and I know we are at the end of her 2+ year battle with tracheal cancer--however, the past 2+ years have been a pure miracle since we initially nearly lost her to the cancer in November of 2013, and there is very little data on cats with this sort of cancer being successfully treated. A couple of small things that of course won't cure cancer, but I think have helped her appetite and keeping her feeling well are B-12 shots fluids weekly. There is a supplement often mentioned on the Feline Cancer group called ES Clear, it was available on the Pet Wellbeing site but I don't see it available now, though there is another product: http://www.petwellbeing.com/products/cat-cancer#ingredients We like to sometimes take the juice from Fancy Feast Fish Shrimp feast and add it to other foods to make them extra tasty. Best wishes, Heather On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food as she'll eat. On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] What to feed a finicky, sick kitten?
Agreed. As long as they act like they want to keep going, that's a good thing. Beth Amanda K. Payne amandak.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks again for the responses. I'm not sure if my original reply has been posted yet or not. Fortunately, Polli decided she liked food again late Thursday night and has regained her appetite somewhat. She's extremely thin now but is active and assisting me with cleaning and gardening. She also realized I keep some of her snacks in the fridge and has started going to the fridge and meowing whenever she wants food. I realize that more than likely her life will be a short one. She isn't the first FeLV+ cat that has found me and I doubt she'll be the last (they literally show up at my door or in my yard). However, I feel that as long as she's up and about, using her litter box, playing and drinking water, I owe it to her to try to get her to eat. -Amanda ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Good morning from South America :)
That's wonderful news! Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Michele Fougeres atomicbetti...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Good morning from South America :) Hi Dorlis, thank you so much for your message :) Abelardo is showing great progress, he has a huge appetite and is very playful, one would never guess he's FeLV positive. When we rescued him, he slept all day and seemed to be tired all the time. He had a urethral blockage and was hospitalized for 5 days. He has shown so much improvement that our vet's hope are high, we don't know how long this is going to last but we are so happy. Thanks for taking the time to send me this message, I'm looking forward to hear from the rest of the group. Michéle Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 21:19:47 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Good morning from South America :) CC: atomicbetti...@hotmail.com There are others with more experience with young cats and you will be hearing from them soon. Michele Fougeres atomicbetti...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I'm new to this group. My husband and I recently adopted a male cat; we named him Abelardo. We noticed he wasn't in very good shape, and that he was desperately looking for a home, so we rescued him. He's FeLV positive and also has anemia. He has low counts for red blood cells, hematocrit, hemoglobin and leukocytes. The test to determine if he was FeLV positive was an antigen test (Elisa). No one performs IFA's tests in Ecuador, my country of residence. The vet said that giving he’s a young cat and that he has been fighting with a urinary tract infection and showing progress, it’s possible that he will become a carrier and will be able to lead a normal life. My research on the internet indicates that after diagnosis, cats usually live for 3 or 4 more years. I asked the doctor about the chance of this being a false positive, but he said that with the antigen test the margin of error is very small. I’ve read about cats that fight the virus and are able to eliminate it from their organisms, later testing negative for FeLV. I don’t want to have false expectations, but I want to hang on to whatever hope there’s still out there for him. We've started him on a biostimulant therapy treatment that will last for 2 weeks with Yatren Caseína (an immune stimulant manufactured by Bayer, don’t know if it’s sold in the USA), which consists of Casein and Yatreinic Acid. This is supposed to help him increase his white blood cells. We are hoping this will boost his immune system. He has also been taking Isoprinosine and B complex with iron syrup for almost 2 weeks. I don’t know if my cat is receiving the best treatment or what should I do to increase the odds of him not having to suffer because of this terrible illness. I’m willing to buy medicine from another country if needed. The vet advised to test my other cat after 30 days to see how he's doing -I have a 9 year old cat who's in perfect health-. I'm concerned now as he shared the litter box and bowls with the FeLV positive cat for almost 48 hours, I didn't even think about this as a risk, and now I feel terribly guilty for placing my beloved pet in danger. If he isn't infected, then I should look into applying him the FeLV vaccine, which is not sold in Ecuador yet. I have to see if there are ways to purchase the vaccine in the US and have it sent to Ecuador through a merchant. I want to keep the FeLV positive cat with me, as chances are no one will want him or will take care of him the way he needs to. We have grown so fond of him, he’s such an adorable, loving cat. I thought about dividing my apartment so the sick cat will not have to remain confined in just one room. I can have the cats’ alternate spaces every week, after disinfecting everything properly with Clorox and not letting them share the same litter boxes or bowls. Do you think this will be a good idea? I'm desperate and I need all the information I can get, as you are all going through the same ordeal, sometimes with moments of happiness when we see even a little sign of improvement. It's comforting to be able to read about your experiences. Abelardo has his ups and downs, days when he only wants to sleep and not be bothered, and others when he's happy and more active. He has kept a good appetite overall, that gives me hope. Thanks for all your help, support and advice. I'm glad to be here. Michéle ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)
One actually did get adopted last year, but mostly they just stay with me until they pass away. Beth Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: What becomes of these FelV cats you foster? Do you do like I do and just keep them until they die or have to be euthanized? I lost three FelV kittens in 2 months and it was heartbreaking. Now the last of this litter just turned one year old and she seems fine, but I watch her every day and never know how long I'll have her. I have several others who were exposed or actively have the virus, but they are still doing fine, but I look at them every day and wonder how long I'll have them. Lorrie On 04-23, Beth wrote: No, I have never seen one throw the virus off. I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted out I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work. Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] seeking advice for treating FeLV positive old CKD cats with the new drugs
You aren't alone thank you for giving this kitty a good life. Beth I-Chun Catherine Chang chang...@umn.edu wrote: Thank you for all the friends providing your precious thoughts for Meowko. She seems doing fairly well today - she finished up almost a whole can for today's dinner! I brought up using ImmunoRegulin, Acemannan, Interferon Alpha etc. with our vet yesterday. She however concerned about the safety of using ImmunoRegulin as she learned some reactions after injection may occur earlier. But she is very willing to listen to other people's experience and work with us. Does anyone have experience of using ImmunoRegulin on your FeLV cat? have you observed any issues/side effects after injection? (if you have gone through treatment plan by using ImmunoRegulin with your vet, may I possibly know where your vet is based, off the list, so that my vet may learn from your vet's experience as well?) Again, thank you very much (reading the responses does make me feel that Meow and I are not alone in this battle) Catherine On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: The vaccine will not make them test positive, the FIV vaccine does that. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ -- *From:* Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2013 11:15 AM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] seeking advice for treating FeLV positive old CKD cats with the new drugs Wait- If u get the vaccine, don't they test positive anyway? And ditto- shots of FeLV confused me too. Not sure how its meant. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 25, 2013, at 8:06 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Shots of FeLV? Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ -- *From:* Sharon Catalan scata...@gmail.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:15 AM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] seeking advice for treating FeLV positive old CKD cats with the new drugs Hello Catherine, My cat Mr Gray is about 14 years old. 3 years ago, he was diagnosed with Felv. He gets regular shots of Felv and today, he's healthier than ever. Try it. It may lengthen the life of your kitty. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 24, 2013, at 12:46 PM, I-Chun C. C. Chang changic...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Felvalk friends, I am very new to this group and was hoping to get some advice for the treatment about my currently very sick cat. My cat is 16 years old, who came to the States with me 6 years ago. I got her when she was 7 (she was abandoned by the previous house owner...) After I got her, she was tested twice negative for FeLV and vaccinated for four years. From then she has been a totally indoor cat. I later adopted another cat, who was also tested negative twice and vaccinated for three years. From then on, since they have been complete indoor apartment cats with no exposure to other cats and the little one always got some reaction to the vaccine, we stopped vaccinating them for FeLV. Last Friday, my 16 years old cat was getting weak, my husband and I rushed her to the ER and were told that she was in sever anemia (pcv less than 10%) due to her chronic kidney disease. Two blood transfusions has been done, but her response to blood transfusions was poor. Doctors then concerned that not only her red blood cell count is low, her white blood cell count is also very low. So the doctors ran the FeLV test again on Tuesday, and it came back positive (!!) (we also rushed our younger one for test yesterday; but he stays negative, and we added a booster vaccine on him). We are getting our 16 years old back tonight. Doctors implicitly has mentioned that FeLV has no cure, plus her Kidney situation (late stage CKD), she may not live long... we were also suggested to consider putting her into sleep soon. But I luckily found last night there is this emailist, and on the website there are several drugs listed for possible treatment plans: ImmunoRegulin, Acemannan, Interferon Alpha etc. Do anyone in this emaillist have experience about treatment on old FeLV cat with CKD by using these new drugs? If yes, may I learn your experience? I really don't want to lose my girl in this way.I am getting my degree soon, and do hope at least I can have her come back to my home country with me... Sorry for such a long email, and thank you very much! I. Catherine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] seeking advice for treating FeLV positive old CKD cats with the new drugs
Dying from anemia on her own could be a pretty painful way to go. The cat is not getting oxygen to the parts of the body it needs. breathing becomes labored. We can give them a gift of passing over before they suffer. That is something we cannot do for out human loved ones. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: WESTNINTHST westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] seeking advice for treating FeLV positive old CKD catswith the new drugs Don't know if u recd this earlier.I don't understand why your cat sud be felv??? Also if she leaving you let her go when she isready in her own home Sent via my Samsung Transform™ Ultra from Boost Mobile Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Catherine - Pcv of 10 is dangerously low. I've never had an FeLV cat recover from one that low. I don't know if anyone else has, but a pcv that low needs to be checked frequently (once or twice per week). Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: I-Chun C. C. Chang changic...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] seeking advice for treating FeLV positive old CKD cats with the new drugs Dear Felvalk friends, I am very new to this group and was hoping to get some advice for the treatment about my currently very sick cat. My cat is 16 years old, who came to the States with me 6 years ago. I got her when she was 7 (she was abandoned by the previous house owner...) After I got her, she was tested twice negative for FeLV and vaccinated for four years. From then she has been a totally indoor cat. I later adopted another cat, who was also tested negative twice and vaccinated for three years. From then on, since they have been complete indoor apartment cats with no exposure to other cats and the little one always got some reaction to the vaccine, we stopped vaccinating them for FeLV. Last Friday, my 16 years old cat was getting weak, my husband and I rushed her to the ER and were told that she was in sever anemia (pcv less than 10%) due to her chronic kidney disease. Two blood transfusions has been done, but her response to blood transfusions was poor. Doctors then concerned that not only her red blood cell count is low, her white blood cell count is also very low. So the doctors ran the FeLV test again on Tuesday, and it came back positive (!!) (we also rushed our younger one for test yesterday; but he stays negative, and we added a booster vaccine on him). We are getting our 16 years old back tonight. Doctors implicitly has mentioned that FeLV has no cure, plus her Kidney situation (late stage CKD), she may not live long... we were also suggested to consider putting her into sleep soon. But I luckily found last night there is this emailist, and on the website there are several drugs listed for possible treatment plans: ImmunoRegulin, Acemannan, Interferon Alpha etc. Do anyone in this emaillist have experience about treatment on old FeLV cat with CKD by using these new drugs? If yes, may I learn your experience? I really don't want to lose my girl in this way.I am getting my degree soon, and do hope at least I can have her come back to my home country with me... Sorry for such a long email, and thank you very much! I. Catherine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] seeking advice for treating FeLV positive old CKD cats with the new drugs
The vaccine will not make them test positive, the FIV vaccine does that. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] seeking advice for treating FeLV positive old CKD cats with the new drugs Wait- If u get the vaccine, don't they test positive anyway? And ditto- shots of FeLV confused me too. Not sure how its meant. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 25, 2013, at 8:06 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Shots of FeLV? Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Sharon Catalan scata...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] seeking advice for treating FeLV positive old CKD cats with the new drugs Hello Catherine, My cat Mr Gray is about 14 years old. 3 years ago, he was diagnosed with Felv. He gets regular shots of Felv and today, he's healthier than ever. Try it. It may lengthen the life of your kitty. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 24, 2013, at 12:46 PM, I-Chun C. C. Chang changic...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Felvalk friends, I am very new to this group and was hoping to get some advice for the treatment about my currently very sick cat. My cat is 16 years old, who came to the States with me 6 years ago. I got her when she was 7 (she was abandoned by the previous house owner...) After I got her, she was tested twice negative for FeLV and vaccinated for four years. From then she has been a totally indoor cat. I later adopted another cat, who was also tested negative twice and vaccinated for three years. From then on, since they have been complete indoor apartment cats with no exposure to other cats and the little one always got some reaction to the vaccine, we stopped vaccinating them for FeLV. Last Friday, my 16 years old cat was getting weak, my husband and I rushed her to the ER and were told that she was in sever anemia (pcv less than 10%) due to her chronic kidney disease. Two blood transfusions has been done, but her response to blood transfusions was poor. Doctors then concerned that not only her red blood cell count is low, her white blood cell count is also very low. So the doctors ran the FeLV test again on Tuesday, and it came back positive (!!) (we also rushed our younger one for test yesterday; but he stays negative, and we added a booster vaccine on him). We are getting our 16 years old back tonight. Doctors implicitly has mentioned that FeLV has no cure, plus her Kidney situation (late stage CKD), she may not live long... we were also suggested to consider putting her into sleep soon. But I luckily found last night there is this emailist, and on the website there are several drugs listed for possible treatment plans: ImmunoRegulin, Acemannan, Interferon Alpha etc. Do anyone in this emaillist have experience about treatment on old FeLV cat with CKD by using these new drugs? If yes, may I learn your experience? I really don't want to lose my girl in this way.I am getting my degree soon, and do hope at least I can have her come back to my home country with me... Sorry for such a long email, and thank you very much! I. Catherine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)
I only have 3 cats of my own left. 2 are quite old 1 is FeLV positive. I do not take in more FeLV fosters unless one passes away. I do not take FeLV cats from individuals unless they agree that it is still their cat, just living at my house. I will not be responsible for vet bills or food expenses. It is tough turning people down, but I have to have a sane life do not want to get overwhelmed. I prefer to educate people that they can mix their cats keep the FeLV's. That being said, I recently agreed to take an FeLV from a lady who volunteers at our shelter who I have known for years. The cat no more than got to my house it is clear he has medical issues she is not returning my calls or emails. This may mark the end of me taking in any FeLV's from individuals, period. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) I had three FeLv+ cats throw it off. They all three were adults. Bunny was the youngest. She tested positive when she was spayed at a shelter. They would usually euthanize them but for some reason she slipped through the cracks, I am pleased to say and the rescuer brought her to me knowing that I would keep her or find a place for her if she did not turn. But she turned. Right now she's annoying two other cats in my computer room. She sleeps with me at night, and is a joyous cat. I would like to find her another home though because I just have too many and can't give her enough attention. My oldest cat, Moses threw it off i about 7 years ago. Percy had both FeLv and FIV. He threw off the FeLv and is now in my FIV room. I have a 5 months old FeLv+ kitten in foster care trying to turn negative. I hope she does. Taco and Smooch, two other FeLv+ cats who were brought to me as strays and tested positive passed away in two years. But at least they had those two years extra and weren't deprived of their short lives. I have chosen the wrong calling though. I'm much too emotional to be able to cope with this. Unfortunately I have no choice. I live from one emotional disaster to another these days because my feline family is approaching the older years. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) No, I have never seen one throw the virus off. I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted out I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats. Have you had any who eventually threw off the virus? All of the kittens I've taken in as FelV positive, who must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. However, from one litter of FelV kittens I have an male who is now 4 years old, and he was the only one in his litter who did NOT test positive when I took them in, and I later tested him and he was still negative. I really admire you for fostering FelV cats. It can be heartbreaking when they become sick and die. I've had three PTS since October. They would have been a year old in May. One from this same litter is still fine, or seems to be. I will retest her soon. Lorrie On 04-23, Beth wrote: Chris - I would search the archives on mixing. A lot of us mix our positive non-positive, vaccinated cats. I have done it for over 10 years with no transmission of the virus to my healthy cats. I even have had FIV cats mix with the FeLV cats with no problems. And, yes, I do retest my negatives. It becomes a little difficult when you foster healthy cats for a shelter. I only foster FeLV cats these days. The shelter would not allow me to foster both positives negative, even if they were separated. Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk
Re: [Felvtalk] seeking advice for treating FeLV positive old CKD cats with the new drugs
Catherine - Pcv of 10 is dangerously low. I've never had an FeLV cat recover from one that low. I don't know if anyone else has, but a pcv that low needs to be checked frequently (once or twice per week). Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: I-Chun C. C. Chang changic...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] seeking advice for treating FeLV positive old CKD cats with the new drugs Dear Felvalk friends, I am very new to this group and was hoping to get some advice for the treatment about my currently very sick cat. My cat is 16 years old, who came to the States with me 6 years ago. I got her when she was 7 (she was abandoned by the previous house owner...) After I got her, she was tested twice negative for FeLV and vaccinated for four years. From then she has been a totally indoor cat. I later adopted another cat, who was also tested negative twice and vaccinated for three years. From then on, since they have been complete indoor apartment cats with no exposure to other cats and the little one always got some reaction to the vaccine, we stopped vaccinating them for FeLV. Last Friday, my 16 years old cat was getting weak, my husband and I rushed her to the ER and were told that she was in sever anemia (pcv less than 10%) due to her chronic kidney disease. Two blood transfusions has been done, but her response to blood transfusions was poor. Doctors then concerned that not only her red blood cell count is low, her white blood cell count is also very low. So the doctors ran the FeLV test again on Tuesday, and it came back positive (!!) (we also rushed our younger one for test yesterday; but he stays negative, and we added a booster vaccine on him). We are getting our 16 years old back tonight. Doctors implicitly has mentioned that FeLV has no cure, plus her Kidney situation (late stage CKD), she may not live long... we were also suggested to consider putting her into sleep soon. But I luckily found last night there is this emailist, and on the website there are several drugs listed for possible treatment plans: ImmunoRegulin, Acemannan, Interferon Alpha etc. Do anyone in this emaillist have experience about treatment on old FeLV cat with CKD by using these new drugs? If yes, may I learn your experience? I really don't want to lose my girl in this way.I am getting my degree soon, and do hope at least I can have her come back to my home country with me... Sorry for such a long email, and thank you very much! I. Catherine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a newbie
Chris - I would search the archives on mixing. A lot of us mix our positive non-positive, vaccinated cats. I have done it for over 10 years with no transmission of the virus to my healthy cats. I even have had FIV cats mix with the FeLV cats with no problems. And, yes, I do retest my negatives. It becomes a little difficult when you foster healthy cats for a shelter. I only foster FeLV cats these days. The shelter would not allow me to foster both positives negative, even if they were separated. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: cer...@new.rr.com cer...@new.rr.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:43 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] a newbie Hi everyone: I just joined up, this is my first post. To be brief, I volunteer at our local animal shelter, and just adopted a FeLeuk+ girl. I have worked with them at the shelter, but never had one in my home, so I joined up to get some tips and help, when I need it. She is about 2 years of age, named Raja, very pretty, and also very sweet, and a happy girl. The shelter had sent in an IFA test on her, to see where she stands, and we are waiting for the results of that. I have just switched to an integrative vet, and plan to take Raja to her after we get the results. I also have 8 other cats and 1 rat, all of which came from the shelter (fallout from volunteering), and I am usually fostering for them as well, usually cats, but I’ve also had rabbits, ferrets, a hedgehog, a hamster, and rats. Now I have a mama and her 6 babies, which were born here. Of course Raja has her own room, with the rat in his cage to keep her company. Before joining I had never heard of mixing them with non leuk cats-I find this interesting. Not sure I would have the guts to do it, though. I was wondering-are there files on the home site that I can look through before I start asking questions that have probably been asked here a million times? Thanks so much for any future help. Chris C. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg
My vet had me vaccinate every 6 months, but as my cats have gotten older I only do it every year. I figure at this point they should have enough immunity. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg The protocol I was given is 1st vaccine followed by booster shot in 30 days Give the 2nd vaccine 30 days before mixing positives and negatives Follow up every 12 months with a booster shot I wasn't aware there was more than 1 type of vaccine Sharyl From: Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg That is what I was worried about him eating out of there dishes,, water bowls and using litterbox. I am still very scared and hope I made the right decision. I have four other healthy 3 yr old females. I would never forgive myself if someone else got sick but wanted to do what was best for bama. Do we vaccinate every year? CHERI On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: They don't have to bite to transmit the virus.It can be transmitted but sharing food water. But the vaccinne seems to have worked just fine over the years for me. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://www.furkids.org/ From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg I've mixed mine (adults) for years also - I dont worry about it unless the are aggressive bite, etc. Gloria From: Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle Thank u sooo much! I needed to heAr that. It's my first week intermingling them. My other four fur kids were vaccinated a week ago. I'm scared.. But I love him and don't want him alone in basement anymore. His constant diarrhea worries me though. His stomatitis doesn't bother him much at all tho! I WUV MY BAMA RAMa thank u all CHERI ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)
No, I have never seen one throw the virus off. I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted out I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats. Have you had any who eventually threw off the virus? All of the kittens I've taken in as FelV positive, who must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. However, from one litter of FelV kittens I have an male who is now 4 years old, and he was the only one in his litter who did NOT test positive when I took them in, and I later tested him and he was still negative. I really admire you for fostering FelV cats. It can be heartbreaking when they become sick and die. I've had three PTS since October. They would have been a year old in May. One from this same litter is still fine, or seems to be. I will retest her soon. Lorrie On 04-23, Beth wrote: Chris - I would search the archives on mixing. A lot of us mix our positive non-positive, vaccinated cats. I have done it for over 10 years with no transmission of the virus to my healthy cats. I even have had FIV cats mix with the FeLV cats with no problems. And, yes, I do retest my negatives. It becomes a little difficult when you foster healthy cats for a shelter. I only foster FeLV cats these days. The shelter would not allow me to foster both positives negative, even if they were separated. Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg
They don't have to bite to transmit the virus.It can be transmitted but sharing food water. But the vaccinne seems to have worked just fine over the years for me. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg I've mixed mine (adults) for years also - I dont worry about it unless the are aggressive bite, etc. Gloria From: Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle Thank u sooo much! I needed to heAr that. It's my first week intermingling them. My other four fur kids were vaccinated a week ago. I'm scared.. But I love him and don't want him alone in basement anymore. His constant diarrhea worries me though. His stomatitis doesn't bother him much at all tho! I WUV MY BAMA RAMa thank u all CHERI ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lethargic
Have you checked her gums? Are they pink or pale? Cats are amazing at hiding illness. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 3:17 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Lethargic Hi everyone, Need some advice and help. Kitty, our 10 months old FeLV positive cat is wonderful, very active and playful. Since last night, she has been laying out more than usual and today she spent most of the day just laying on the bed and not being very active. Are these signs I really need to be concerned about or just a little tiredness? It's Friday and I would hate for her to deteriorate over the weekend, Sent from my iPhone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Thinking of you Ember, Lance. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:59 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to leave our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV non-FeLV cats
Yes, a lot of us mix our vaccinated cats with our FeLV cats with no problems. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle Thank u sooo much! I needed to heAr that. It's my first week intermingling them. My other four fur kids were vaccinated a week ago. I'm scared.. But I love him and don't want him alone in basement anymore. His constant diarrhea worries me though. His stomatitis doesn't bother him much at all tho! I WUV MY BAMA RAMa thank u all CHERI On Apr 19, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: That is what did when I started rescuing feral FeLV kittens. My house kitties were all adults. I got them current on their FeLV vaccine before mixing them. None of my negative kitties contract FeLV. My FeLV kittens lived from 1 - 4 yrs. Each was very special and made a huge impact on my life. I miss them dearly and wouldn't have changed anything. Sharyl. From: Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle Please tell me that other people have vaccinated and intermingled. This is another decision I recently made CHERI On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net wrote: I have A 5 yr old double positive with stomatitis and constant diarrhea ... I am soo scared. I also vaccinated my four others (tho I no it's not 100%). I don't have much money and I am so scared of losing him. Thank you I'm an emotional reck CHERI On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:06 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: So sorry. I know how it feels to loose a loved one human or animal. I am hoping no more of my babies leave me soon. Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: I had an FeLV cat who belonged to a friend. He was her cat, but lived at my house because I have FeLV cats. He has been battlingStomatitis the last few months. She picked him up to take him to the vet yesterday morning. During his exam they felt a mass in his tummy. They put him under to explore further. He had cancer from his abdomen to his esophagus. They never woke him back up. He looked acted so healthy except for the stomatits. He is very much missed. He was a silly, sweet, mischievous boy. I loved him for all of it! Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle / stomatitis
DeAnna - Napoleon's stomatitis symptoms were red, inflamed gums. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: DeAnna Dockery deeannn...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle So sorry for the loss of your precious baby! Praying for your healing heart! Of I may ask, what symptoms did he have For stomatitis? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 17, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Sorry about your baby, Lorrie. But you never know. Siblings can succumb at totally different times. I hope you have your tortie for a long time. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle I am so sorry Beth. I lost a 10 month old young male to FelV yesterday. He was the third one of a litter of 4 FelV kittens I took in last June. I still have one, a dilute tortie, and so far she seems fine, but with this terrible disease we never know how long we'll have them. Thank you for loving this boy. They are all so precious and losing them never gets easier. Lorrie On 04-16, Beth wrote: I had an FeLV cat who belonged to a friend. He was her cat, but lived at my house because I have FeLV cats. He has been battling Stomatitis the last few months. She picked him up to take him to the vet yesterday morning. During his exam they felt a mass in his tummy. They put him under to explore further. He had cancer from his abdomen to his esophagus. They never woke him back up. He looked acted so healthy except for the stomatits. He is very much missed. He was a silly, sweet, mischievous boy. I loved him for all of it! Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle
Sorry about your baby, Lorrie. But you never know. Siblings can succumb at totally different times. I hope you have your tortie for a long time. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle I am so sorry Beth. I lost a 10 month old young male to FelV yesterday. He was the third one of a litter of 4 FelV kittens I took in last June. I still have one, a dilute tortie, and so far she seems fine, but with this terrible disease we never know how long we'll have them. Thank you for loving this boy. They are all so precious and losing them never gets easier. Lorrie On 04-16, Beth wrote: I had an FeLV cat who belonged to a friend. He was her cat, but lived at my house because I have FeLV cats. He has been battling Stomatitis the last few months. She picked him up to take him to the vet yesterday morning. During his exam they felt a mass in his tummy. They put him under to explore further. He had cancer from his abdomen to his esophagus. They never woke him back up. He looked acted so healthy except for the stomatits. He is very much missed. He was a silly, sweet, mischievous boy. I loved him for all of it! Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle
I had an FeLV cat who belonged to a friend. He was her cat, but lived at my house because I have FeLV cats. He has been battlingStomatitis the last few months. She picked him up to take him to the vet yesterday morning. During his exam they felt a mass in his tummy. They put him under to explore further. He had cancer from his abdomen to his esophagus. They never woke him back up. He looked acted so healthy except for the stomatits. He is very much missed. He was a silly, sweet, mischievous boy. I loved him for all of it! Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic. Very Thin 8 year old cat
Only a vet can diagnose. Anemia can cause cold. Are her gums pale? Anemia can be caused by many things, including Hemobartonella, which one of my non-FeLV cats had. If it were that, she would die without meds. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:44 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Off Topic. Very Thin 8 year old cat I realize this is not a FELV+ question but this group has such wide experience and helped so much with Dixie, I just have to try. I have a very thin 8 year old cat who is almost impossible to vet. She has lived in Mom's garage since she was a day old. Recently she has gotten thin and appears cold. I have heat lamps, a cat heating pad, Snuggle Safes and rice bags for her on top of rubber maid totes. I can't be sure what she is eating but there is always food available and I've added Pet Tinic to the mix. She has two cats who hang out with her. They have all been neutered/spayed. Tommy has had weight/ cold issues for at least 8 weeks. She acts ok most of the time but there have been days that she looked like she was ready to leave this world. I am trying chcken livers and anything else I canthink of for iron. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
