Re: Transfering Files
On May 13, 2004, at 10:11 PM, Bruce Hunter wrote: I have two computer systems. 1 windows 2k system where I do web development work, specifically php development. The other system is a FBSD headless system that I control via ssh, from my windows system. The FBSD system is my local webserver where I do my testing before transfering to another server. My question is this. What is the best way to get my files from my windows system over to the FBSD webserver. FTP? Samba? or someting else? Also, I want to make this webserver a file server wher I can save my downloads and mp3's. Not sure what which direction to go with these two tasks? Probably the easiest thing to do is to use SAMBA to create a sharepoint and then put common files to move into that. I don't use my Linux system as a file server so I don't have samba shares, but to open a share point to get some files to a Win9x system I have on the network I have the Windows system sharing a folder marked public then I can mount it and transfer things from the command line. If you want to make the FBSD system a file server, I'd put the share on that and then move things around as your needs dictate. It entirely depends on your end goals (FBSD needs the files *from* a Win system *and* will be acting as primary file storage for files you want to access from the Win system)...if it were just to occasionally transfer a file, I'd mount a share set up on the Windows system... -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ntfs mount
On May 7, 2004, at 1:40 PM, Mark Ovens wrote: J. W. Ballantine wrote: It a Dell, but given the configuration, i do not believe it came pre-installed from the factory. I would have thought that a Dell would have had *an* OS pre-installed. Not always. I am running FBSD 4.9 on a couple Dell 2650's ordered just for the purpose of installing FreeBSD on them for some of our server use...you can specify *no operating system* and they ship you the system and rails with nothing but the hard drives configured for RAID on the PERC controller. No fuss, no muss :-) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ntfs mount
On May 7, 2004, at 2:12 PM, Mark Ovens wrote: Bart Silverstrim wrote: On May 7, 2004, at 1:40 PM, Mark Ovens wrote: J. W. Ballantine wrote: It a Dell, but given the configuration, i do not believe it came pre-installed from the factory. I would have thought that a Dell would have had *an* OS pre-installed. Not always. I am running FBSD 4.9 on a couple Dell 2650's ordered just for the purpose of installing FreeBSD on them for some of our server use...you can specify *no operating system* and they ship you the system and rails with nothing but the hard drives configured for RAID on the PERC controller. No fuss, no muss :-) That's good to know :-) Does it only apply to servers, or can you get desktop machines /sans/ OS? I don't know for sure to give an authoritative answer; if you call them for ordering, you should be able to cajole them into it. We may get different treatment because we're a school and they like us calling them back when another project needs another server (I think educational institutions are considered businesses by Dell, so we can all our sales rep and they seem to be able to work whatever magic we want for configurations when we make it clear that's what we want). Dell doesn't make systems, IIRC, until they are ordered...read something about how it cuts down on inventory left in warehouses and allows for customization...so I don't see why they couldn't make a desktop system sans OS. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is there any hardware RAID (SCSI) that is fully supported?
On May 7, 2004, at 7:13 PM, Peter Schuller wrote: Hello, is there any hardware SCSI RAID controller that is fully supported in FreeBSD? By fully supported I mean being able to monitor and talk to the controller on a live system in order to initiate a rebuild on a replace drive and such. Mylex/Adaptec seems to be a dead end, LSI's MegaRAIDs I'm not sure about. Anything else out there? Adaptec; I think that is what the Dell PERC controllers use (just rebranded?). There' s a CLI utility that was ported from the Linux world...aacli I think is what it is called (or something similar to it). Although I haven't had to try the actual rebuild from the CLI (THANK $DEITY, knock on wood...), the command line program does talk to the controller for information. Try digging around for what the PERC controllers use for their chipset... -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FTPD SSHD server
On May 23, 2004, at 10:04 AM, Andri Kok wrote: Hello fellas, I have FTPD and SSHD running. The way enabled it was by uncommenting lines in inetd.conf. Now, If I access it from the outside (school's lab to my home computer, we have static IP) it works. But If my friends try to access it from the local network, it doesn't work (Using windows). I set up my server using a DHCP assigned IP address (C class), and the router that I use is the default router from my adsl modem. Should I use the server as the gateway as well? suggestions? TIA guys =) You mean if your friends try accessing the server from the *internal* network it won't let them, but from the outside world going into the server it works fine? A) Did you verify the IP address they are connecting to is the actual internal IP the server has? B) Is the server set to reject certain IP addresses from accessing those services? C) What do the logs have to say about the connection attempts? If *I* were setting it up, I'd advise not having the server set up using DHCP internally. Set the server system to a static IP outside of the router's DHCP range, then make sure the port forwarding on the router is set up properly to forward those protocols to the internal server's static IP address. Only the router would be the gateway, as it is what is handling the routing of packets to the Internet (Unless you're setting up your BSD system to act as a proxy server with something like Squid...but I think that's outside the scope of your question :-) I've seen this setup several times...you have a static IP as seen from the Internet (actually it hits a router/NAT/soho device just behind the cable modem or DSL modem); that device is set to forward certain services to internal machines. Those machines should have static addresses to prevent the server from wandering if the DHCP address changes for some reason. Leave the DHCP to be sent to visiting machines and non-server workstations on the internal network...if you don't have a reason for them to constantly keep the IP, then they're a candidate for DHCP (advice? Don't do it unless you have notebook PCs. Home and small networks usually don't present such a management quagmire that it's too difficult to keep static IPs on them. I personally have my internal computers set to static IPs with a DHCP server handing out only a narrow number of IPs for the visiting laptops I use from work and the occasional playing with the PDA with wireless access...it's much easier to see if another system is hopping the network when an alien MAC address shows up in the logs; that's just my personal take on it though). Hope that helps...if you can, try posting errors from the server logs if the above suggestions don't help you. -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FTPD SSHD server
On May 23, 2004, at 8:04 PM, Andri Kok wrote: Hi Bart, Thx for the reply. The problem that I had from windows was connection timeout. When I try to ssh to my BSD box, it prompts the login name, than it hangs till it finally get connection time out. The same goes with ftp and telnet. There is a prompt that you enter a username to, then it just hangs instead of giving a password prompt? Most definitely odd... Regarding the error logs, which ones should i check? he path would be nice =) And thx for your suggestion, I'll try to do that as soon as I have time (still got assignments to do ;) thx again -) error logs should all be in the directory /var/log. Try a connection, and once it errors out, do a tail on any files that have their timestamps updated indicating that they were just written to at the time of your connection attempt...they might have info that could be of help. -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Solved: FreeBSD as print server w/CUPS + samba + apsfilter
On May 24, 2004, at 9:56 PM, Mike wrote: Greetings: This post is a result of 2 days of thrashing trying to get FreeBSD (4.9) to act as a print server to Win2K/XP clients. I have included links to a how-to that I wrote that includes a full install and configuration of CUPS and Samba so that local (connected to server) printers print locally, and so that that local printer(s) can then be shared (served) as network printer amongst Windows 2k/XP clients. Is it possible to have the writeup put on something like bsddiary so others could easily refer to it down the road? ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LDAP
Are there any references that will step through creating an LDAP database? I have been banging my head into a wall trying to get one set up...I have it at a point where the slapd will start and monitor for connections, but using ldapbrower logging in as the rootdn will yield errors whenever I try to add an entry. I'm ready to try wiping the database (since it's empty anyway) and try over from scratch. Any guidance/pointers? Thanks, -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LDAP
On May 27, 2004, at 2:38 PM, Thompson, Jimi wrote: The question then becomes - What do you plan to use the LDAP to store? Depending on your answer, you may need to modify your schema in order to store that information. For example, there is a library which uses LDAP to store information about their books. As books don't need a lot of the address type information, their schema is heavily modified to support this. For example, humans don't have an author or publisher whereas books do. Thanks for the response... Right now, we're using a testbed server to see if it's possible to use LDAP with pGINA on Windows to replace our current active directory structure. We don't use a lot of the advanced features of AD, and would like to begin this work as a possible way of eventually migrating users to something a little more flexible (it seemed everything could talk to LDAP for authentication...with the proper amount of headache-suffering...) For what we're using it for, it would be primarily user authentication. Right now, to get Windows 2000/XP systems to talk to it. Eventually, email using (postfix?) for authenticating 2000 users. Email directories would also be helpful for clients to talk to the LDAP server and get username, maybe some properties like phone number, building they're in, room number, student ID number...things like that. The 2000 machines need to get usernames, home directories, profile directories at a minimum...and would there be a way to get it to handle the permissions (group memberships, etc.)? We would probably need to figure out if the home directory and profile directories can be also stored in the LDAP directory as well as maybe memberships for that username? Would these be possible? Part of this would also rely on pGINA as well. The last systems that may need to talk to it are Win9x machines, if we can get the 2000 machines to talk to it then maybe SAMBA could be tied to it for authenticating Win9x. An alternative, I suppose, would be to get the machine to run samba and have samba act as some kind of domain controller and authenticating to the LDAP server on the Windows machines' behalf... Anyone hear of a setup to accomplish something similar to this, and if so have some tips/ideas on what to do? I know this sounds like a big jumble...I guess I'm just starting out into this project and looking for guidance on where to start charting a course :-) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LDAP
On May 27, 2004, at 2:11 PM, Vince Hoffman wrote: On Thu, 27 May 2004, Bart Silverstrim wrote: Are there any references that will step through creating an LDAP database? I have been banging my head into a wall trying to get one set up...I have it at a point where the slapd will start and monitor for connections, but using ldapbrower logging in as the rootdn will yield errors whenever I try to add an entry. I'm ready to try wiping the database (since it's empty anyway) and try over from scratch. I was getting ready to give up with LDAP (for samba and pam_ldap) untill i tried phpldapadmin, worked like a dream, not sure its in ports yet though. ( oh and i'll recomend ldap account manager which is in ports but only useful if you want to store posix and samba accounts under ldap.) I've sent a message to the list responding to someone else outlining some of the goals I hope to achieve with the LDAP server, but what information is your server handing out? Just username/password for Win9x, or can it handle Win2k information, or...? ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LDAP
On May 27, 2004, at 3:49 PM, Vince Hoffman wrote: I'm using it to store posix and samba users, handles XP and 2k authentication fine (dont have any 9x on the network,) All i'm doing is runing a samba PDC for a small network, and am using ldap as it means its easy to have a BDC if needed and using pam_ldap and nss_ldap i can centralise my user database, anything that supports pam authentication is authenticated again it (ie. the external ftp site, uw-imap, smtp auth (sasl2 using pam) and shell logins where needed, as well as the internal windows domain, (xp and 2k workstations, samba servers)) If your interested who uses samba and how many users then look here http://samba-survey.sernet.de/commit.html? action=sortorder=file_sharing_clientsdir=descindex=0 Maybe I'm approaching this the wrong way then. I have multiple locations (VPN connected) with Windows2000/Win9x clients. I need them to authenticate username/password pairs. I wanted to use LDAP so that I could also eventually use the same directory for a new email server to use as an authentication backend. Depending on how the project would go, I'd like to have directory lookups also work from this in email clients (in-house mail directory, information on what room a staff member is based in, etc.) Basically a central repository of directory information. I would like to get some information like membership attributes...i.e., Bob is a member of administrators. Sue is a member of ourbuilding_secretaries, and Alanis is also a member of building2_secretaries, so I can set share permissions on Samba for common sharepoints. Would a better approach be to have Samba set up on these authentication servers, pointing to an LDAP backend? FreeBSD can use PAM easily? (I've had to jump into Linux authentication for a RADIUS project many moons ago, but haven't had to reconfigure anything regarding authentication under FreeBSD before...please forgive the naivety :-) Is there a way to have LDAP also handling the memberships, etc. for the NT machines to understand the memberships for authorization of access to shares, etc...so that it would be easy to spread this out to cache machines in other buildings? If it can all be handled via LDAP, I hoped slurpd would be all that's necessary on a set of SAMBA servers to keep our databases in sync in each building... ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
5.2.1 boot-install
I downloaded the 2 meg boot floppy for installing FreeBSD 5.2.1. I wanted to burn it to a CD (I usually install via ftp, and use a smaller CD that I have here to transport the media since I didn't want to burn a full ISO). I downloaded the boot image and checked the MD5. On my iBook, I ran mkisofs -pad -b boot.flp -R -o ./cdboot.iso ./boot.flp I then used the disk utility to burn the resulting image. I have used this technique with 4.9, and it worked. On a machine i wanted to install 5.2.1 on, it won't (this is a machine the 4.9 install worked on fine). The boot process starts, and it locks up ending with this in the bootup sequence: GEOM: create disk ad0 dp=0xc2006560 ad0: 19092MB ST320014A [38792/16/63] at ata0-masster UDMA100 ata1-master: FAILURE - ATA_IDENTIFY status=7f READY, DMA_READY, DSC, DRQ, CORRECTABLE, INDEX_ERROR error=7fUNCORRECTABLE, MEDIA_CHANGED, NID_NOT_FOUND, MEDIA_CHANGE_REQUEST, ABORTED,NO_MEDIA,ILLEGAL_LENGTH LBA=0 It doesn't like the CDROM drive? Did I miss something in the boot disc creation? There may be a minor typo or two in the above error...I had to transcribe it :-) Here's what 4.9 is reporting post-bootup... $ dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-2003 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE-p5 #0: Mon Apr 26 10:29:04 EDT 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/compile/WINE Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz (1999.78-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = GenuineIntel Id = 0xf29 Stepping = 9 Features=0xbfebfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE ,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE real memory = 132382720 (129280K bytes) avail memory = 123412480 (120520K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel kernel at 0xc0548000. Warning: Pentium 4 CPU: PSE disabled Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled md0: Malloc disk Using $PIR table, 9 entries at 0xc00f52d0 npx0: math processor on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: Host to PCI bridge on motherboard pci0: PCI bus on pcib0 agp0: Intel 82845G (845G GMCH) SVGA controller mem 0xffa8-0xffaf,0xf000-0xf7ff irq 11 at device 2.0 on pci0 agp0: detected 892k stolen memory agp0: aperture size is 128M uhci0: Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-A port 0xe800-0xe81f irq 11 at device 29.0 on pci0 usb0: Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-A on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-B port 0xe880-0xe89f irq 5 at device 29.1 on pci0 usb1: Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-B on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci2: Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-C port 0xec00-0xec1f irq 9 at device 29.2 on pci0 usb2: Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-C on uhci2 usb2: USB revision 1.0 uhub2: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered pci0: USB controller at 29.7 irq 10 pcib1: Intel 82801BA/BAM (ICH2) Hub to PCI bridge at device 30.0 on pci0 pci1: PCI bus on pcib1 fxp0: Intel 82801DB (ICH4) Pro/100 VE Ethernet port 0xdc00-0xdc3f mem 0xff8ff000-0xff8f irq 11 at device 8.0 on pci1 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:0c:f1:b7:06:fe inphy0: i82562ET 10/100 media interface on miibus0 inphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto isab0: PCI to ISA bridge (vendor=8086 device=24c0) at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: ISA bus on isab0 atapci0: Intel ICH4 ATA100 controller port 0xffa0-0xffaf,0-0x3,0-0x7,0-0x3,0-0x7 at device 31.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 pci0: unknown card (vendor=0x8086, dev=0x24c3) at 31.3 irq 3 pci0: unknown card (vendor=0x8086, dev=0x24c5) at 31.5 irq 3 pmtimer0 on isa0 fdc0: NEC 72065B or clone at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1440-KB 3.5 drive on fdc0 drive 0 atkbdc0: Keyboard controller (i8042) at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: AT Keyboard flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 psm0: PS/2 Mouse irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model IntelliMouse, device ID 3 vga0: Generic ISA VGA at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa-0xb on isa0 sc0: System console at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA 16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300 sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 ppc0: Parallel port at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppi0: Parallel I/O on ppbus0 plip0: PLIP network interface on ppbus0 lpt0: Printer on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ad0: 19092MB ST320014A [38792/16/63] at
Re: 5.2.1 boot-install
On Jun 2, 2004, at 8:21 AM, Bart Silverstrim wrote: I have used this technique with 4.9, and it worked. On a machine i wanted to install 5.2.1 on, it won't (this is a machine the 4.9 install worked on fine). The boot process starts, and it locks up ending with this in the bootup sequence: GEOM: create disk ad0 dp=0xc2006560 ad0: 19092MB ST320014A [38792/16/63] at ata0-masster UDMA100 ata1-master: FAILURE - ATA_IDENTIFY status=7f READY, DMA_READY, DSC, DRQ, CORRECTABLE, INDEX_ERROR error=7fUNCORRECTABLE, MEDIA_CHANGED, NID_NOT_FOUND, MEDIA_CHANGE_REQUEST, ABORTED,NO_MEDIA,ILLEGAL_LENGTH LBA=0 Answering myself for the archives.. This *should* have worked and would have worked if not for a bug I had to workaround in 4.9 on that CDROM. The CDROM is the only device on the bus, and if it were set to master, I kept getting ata1-master resetting ad infinitum; the jumper, once removed from the back of the CDROM drive, allowed 4.9 to work like a charm. I remembered this after downloading and burning the bootonly ISO and having that fail with the same error... Once I put the jumper back in to set the device to master, the 5.2.1 CD booted straight to sysinstall. Something for people to keep in mind... :-) -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Issues with large files on nfs-mounted filesystems?
On Jun 3, 2004, at 7:16 AM, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 11:42:40AM +0100, Jim Hatfield wrote: I've made a large .mpg file on a Linux machine (because some tools, such as mplex, are newer than available in FreeBSD ports). Here's a directory listing: -rw-r--r-- 1 jim users 4388444160 Jun 2 23:15 movie.mpg I want to burn it to DVD but the burner is on a BSD box, so I nfs-mount the /home partition. However when I look at the same file from FreeBSD 5.1 I get: -rw-r--r-- 1 jim 100 93476864 Jun 3 00:15 movie.mpg (yes I know there is a time zone issue. I haven't worked out how to set it on Gentoo yet). The difference between the sizes is 4294967296, ie 2^32. Anyone know if this is an issue with the NFS implementations or whether the NFS protocols have a 32-bit size limit? The mount_nfs manpage tells you: -2 Use the NFS Version 2 protocol (the default is to try version 3 first then version 2). Note that NFS version 2 has a file size limit of 2 gigabytes. Linux used to, and maybe still does, have stability problems with NFSv3, so the default was/is to use NFSv2. FreeBSD has no such problems :) One quick workaround I'd suggest is scp if you have SSH working... -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: x-forwarding problem - no window contents
On Jun 4, 2004, at 10:10 AM, Simon Timms wrote: I have tried using several different window managers and different users in the hopes it was some sort of setting I had accidentally triggered but to no avail. Has anybody seen this before and how do I fix it? I assume that it is a problem on the desktop machine since forwarding does work between the server and other boxes. Does compression (-C) on ssh have any effect? I've noticed some programs run very slow without compression (and even then, still run with a bit of lag...like Pan... :-( Does it work better if you connect to a ssh-forwarded VNC session? Anything showing up in logs for ssh? ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Scripting backup of file naming?
Hello scripting gurus.. I'm sure this is an easy one for someone out there. Here's what I'd like to do, and hoping someone out there knows a simple way to do this without ripping my hair out. Scenario: *Two servers, Server1 and Server2. *I want Server1 to copy a set of files from Server2 on a regular basis using cron and scp. I should be able to do that by just generating a ssh key and automating the login from Server1 into Server2. *problem; on server1, I'm going to have two directories: ~/archive and ~/workingdir. I want the scp to move the files from server2 to ~/workingdir, tar and zip them as a file name with a date attached (like backup06072004.tgz) to make the filename distinctive, then move that file from ~/workingdir to ~/archive. The filename would need to be distinctive both to allow for reference when needing to restore a snapshot and also to keep the archives from overwriting each other when moved over. Is there a simple way to do this with a script running from cron? -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SSH
-e in ssh-keygen is my friend...it seems to be working now. Thank you! ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SSH question
Hello... Sorry if this is too OT, but I recently posted about copying some files from one server to another using scp...I thought I could get that set up easily since I've done it before. Silly me! The primary server is running # ssh -V OpenSSH_3.5p1 FreeBSD-20030924, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090703f While the server I want to copy FROM is apparently running sshd2: SSH Secure Shell 3.2.3 (non-commercial version) on i686-pc-linux-gnu I have created the pub key on the FreeBSD system with ssh-keygen -t dsa then copied the resulting .pub file to the other server with the name ~/.ssh/authorized_keys and ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2. Neither one seems to work, and I don't see errors being generated in the logs. The non-BSD system is of turnkey configuration, so I'm kind of limited in how much I can alter it or experiment to get the key working. The authentication for sshd2 says that allowedauthorization type includes publickey. Is there an alteration between openssh and ssh that I have to do to get the non-BSD server to see my BSD server's public key? Offered solutions via google don't seem to be working :-/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Jun 8, 2004, at 8:21 AM, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of power? Not necessarily. If you want to measure it, make sure you have a decent UPS (which I'd recommend for ANY desktop setup) and most UPSs now have a monitoring utility or tool available (or load meter on the front) that will give you an idea how much power is being used. The most I'd do is turn off the monitor...that probably uses most energy if it's not an LCD. You can get figures from the power supply of the wattage and figure out what the MOST energy use would be for your area's rate with your last electric bill. It would all depend on how many drives/fans/etc. you have running all the time, but overall I wouldn't think that one computer is that big of a drain. Is it true that the heat buildup in a home system (rather than a heavily fanned commercial system) will kill the drives faster and this is a good reason to turn it off during the day when I am not home? As long as it has all it's cooling fans working and the room doesn't get too hot, it should be okay. If you're worried you can add more cooling fans. I keep a small air conditioner in the room (it's a small room where my systems are) running for summer days. Will it kill the drives faster? Well, *using* it will shorten it's lifespan. It all depends on how valuable the data is...make backups of important data, or for me, I keep a RAID system set up (not that it's a backup...I'm protecting against drive failure as a loss of data). Or get another computer and configure a RAIC...redundant array of inexpensive computers :-) save data to multiple systems periodically. All depends on your setup and how important your data is. Personally I have a Win9x system at home that's been abused since college (old PII 350 with a TV card) and a Linux desktop from Pogo that I use as a server, with IDE Raid in it...but it's just a modified desktop system. Works like a champ so far, both are running 24/7 with the Windows machine getting rebooted once every other day or so. UNIX systems prefer not getting rebooted...they do Cron chores at night for housekeeping, and UNIX was made with being run constantly in mind. I'd advise NOT shutting down Unix systems unless there's a particular reason to do so, and configure your network/computers to try to keep data loss from failure of a component as a minimal worry; backups and software RAID may be good options. but that's just me. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
pkgdb -F question
I am working on an installation of Metadot. Running a portversion on the server yielded an error, and I suspect it's because part of the instructions had several CPAN modules installed via the CPAN shell rather than just ports. Here's what I was getting: # pkgdb -F --- Checking the package registry database Missing origin: bsdpan-MIME-tools-5.411 - Ignored. (the package is held; specify -f to force) Missing origin: bsdpan-MailTools-1.62 - Ignored. (the package is held; specify -f to force) Missing origin: bsdpan-libwww-perl-5.79 - Ignored. (the package is held; specify -f to force) Stale dependency: mod_perl-1.29 - p5-libwww-5.79 (www/p5-libwww): p5-XML-Parser-2.34_1 (score:20%) ? ([y]es/[n]o/[a]ll) [no] New dependency? (? to help): ? [Enter] to skip, [Ctrl]+[D] to delete, [.][Enter] to abort, [Tab] to complete New dependency? (? to help): . Abort. *** What is the answer I'm supposed to give, so that portupgrade will work and the system won't get fouled up? Advice? -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
On Jun 13, 2004, at 8:02 PM, Edward Hendrie wrote: Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD because they have religious objections to a product that is promoted by a devil. He's a play on the word daemon. From the jargon file: * daemon operating system /day'mn/ or /dee'mn/ (From the mythological meaning, later rationalised as the acronym Disk And Execution MONitor) A program that is not invoked explicitly, but lies dormant waiting for some condition(s) to occur. The idea is that the perpetrator of the condition need not be aware that a daemon is lurking (though often a program will commit an action only because it knows that it will implicitly invoke a daemon). For example, under ITS writing a file on the LPT spooler's directory would invoke the spooling daemon, which would then print the file. The advantage is that programs wanting files printed need neither compete for access to, nor understand any idiosyncrasies of, the LPT. They simply enter their implicit requests and let the daemon decide what to do with them. Daemons are usually spawned automatically by the system, and may either live forever or be regenerated at intervals. Unix systems run many daemons, chiefly to handle requests for services from other hosts on a network. Most of these are now started as required by a single real daemon, inetd, rather than running continuously. Examples are cron (local timed command execution), rshd (remote command execution), rlogind and telnetd (remote login), ftpd, nfsd (file transfer), lpd (printing). Daemon and demon are often used interchangeably, but seem to have distinct connotations (see demon). The term daemon was introduced to computing by CTSS people (who pronounced it /dee'mon/) and used it to refer to what ITS called a dragon. [Jargon File] (1995-05-11) You may think that is a small issue, but when you are trying to create market awareness you need a mascot that evokes simplicity and goodwill, not one that evokes evil and deception. I don't think they are creating a marketing presence. FreeBSD users aren't making money off this. It's not a business. Many of the old school users probably really don't care about taking over the desktops around the world...we want our workstations and servers to stay up with as little downtime and hassle as possible. If someone prefers to be offended by a logo and stay away from it, then they can put up with the additional hassles of Windows or move to a Linux distro of their choice. Doesn't cut into our profit margin :-) Look at how MSN is marketing its ISP. They use characters dressed in harmless butterfly costumes. Linux, has done the same with its pudgy cute penguin. You might want to rethink your mascot. JW Gacy was a clown, MS has a butterflyboth look harmless...judging by a mascot, while important for marketing, won't really affect a product that isn't reliant on marketing but instead on merit. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
On Jun 15, 2004, at 11:20 AM, Chris Lynch wrote: This thread cracks me up. No matter how many times the same subject has been brought up, I still can't stop laughing at the silliness of it all. Maybe FreeBSD should make a fuzzy bunny that does a happy dance...but, then we'd be stepping on the Easter Bunnies toes, and we all know what could happen then!!! can't. You never looked up Plan 9's mascot? ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 5.2.1 - Joke-only release ? April Fools ??
On Jun 19, 2004, at 3:26 AM, Michael W. Oliver wrote: On 2004-06-18T23:17:14-0700, Joe Schmoe wrote: So the question is, has any person, anywhere, at any time, successfully installed 5.2.1-RELEASE on any hardware whatsoever ? Or is it just a practical joke release ? That's a tad caustic, don't you think? I bet it's the devil logo that's screwing him up. We should change it. :-) FWIW, I have managed to get 5.2.1 to install on a LAM test system (ironic?) at work, once I set the CDROM to master on it's own channel (I had to remove the jumpter to install 4.9 because it crashed at boot until I did; 5.2.1 crashed at boot until I set it to the opposite way). I had burned the 2 meg install floppy to a small CD to install it after checking the MD5 sums. It sounds like your install images or floppies were bad. I'd doublecheck the MD5's and if they check out, re-image some floppies (or try putting it on a CD...they tend to be more resilient). -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: E-Mail Gateway
On Mar 8, 2004, at 11:25 AM, Wright, Greg wrote: I would like to use FreeBSD (4.9) as the platform on which to run an secure e-mail gateway. At least that is what I think I would like to do. The reason for FreeBSD is that I much more familiar with it than other free Unix like operating systems. I have worked with DEC Ultrix, Digital Unix and AIX in the past so have some knowledge of Unix. But the real goal is to put some sort of secure mail server/forwarder between my internal MS Exchange system and the Internet. I don't want to connect Exchange directly to the Internet if at all possible. What I'm looking for are recommendations for free SMTP servers that I can use for this purpose. I would like to include basic anti-virus and SPAM control as well. Unfortunately, I have no money (other than my time) to do this project so am looking at minimal cost products. Any suggestions for e-mail gateways. I've looked at postfix and qmail but am not sure that they are appropriate. I could use the built in sendmail, but worry about security. I'm in the middle of this kind of project right now. Using postfix-SMTP server clamav-free antivirus amavisd-new-plugin daemon that redirects mail to spamassassin and the clamd antivirus for checking Mail comes in, gets checked for viruses, and then checked and scored as spam. Quarantines things that don't pass, forwards everything else to our internal Exchange server. Postfix is a good choice for me; it's a drop in replacement for sendmail and tends to be simpler to configure. All absolutely free...we only paid for the server hardware to do this. -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Update utility
On Mar 8, 2004, at 12:15 PM, Ioannis Vranos wrote: Is there any utility in FreeBSD 4.9 to check for possible updates/bug fixes via internet? I *think* have have kind of a handle on this on the server I just installed... I usually do a cvsup to update the list of the ports tree, then use a procedure I picked out of http://www.freebsddiary.org/portupgrade.php to update applications with portupgrade. If anyone else has a method other than this, I'd love to know the procedure :-) This only updates ports. Updating FreeBSD, I don't know of anything other than if you find a security advisory, you have to have the src tree and patch that portion and recompile whatever had the vulnerability, following the advisory instructions. I'm thinking that since most daemons/applications are from ports, keeping your ports tree updated should limit most remote exploits...I would be interested in knowing of a way to check whether the installation of the OS is up to date, though. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: E-Mail Gateway
On Mar 8, 2004, at 12:33 PM, Wright, Greg wrote: Bart, thanks for the reply !! I had been looking at qmail with clam and spamassassin, but somebody told me that qmail might not be appropriate as a secure mail gateway. It was not designed to route mail, but instead to act as just a mail server for local mailboxes. I'll take another look at postfix. Thanks again. As a side note: I'm not trying to start an MTA war :-) I've used Qmail a long time ago; it's fast, it's very secure, and I liked it. I chose postfix for this particular case because I wasn't doing anything elaborate with the messages and I wanted something that was as compatible as possible...the exact configuration for the system I was setting up I couldn't find any simple HOWTOs for, and there is a lot of material for Sendmail and Postfix floating around out there and if documentation said that a particular program, like Amavis, worked with Sendmail then chances were pretty good that it would work with Postfix too since Postfix was designed to be a drop-in replacement for Sendmail. Postfix is also pretty simple to set up, in my experiences. Once I get the server here set up to production level, I'm planning on writing up how I configured it and I'm hoping to get permission to put it in out for people to use as a reference if they have a project like this one to do; I don't know if people would be interested but I know I could have used a guide like this :-) -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Amavis-Stats
Has anyone installed Amavis-Stats on a FreeBSD 4.9 Release server? When I try running the Perl script, I get an error about not being able to find warnings.pm... -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Amavis-Stats.
On Mar 8, 2004, at 6:53 PM, Julien Gabel wrote: Has anyone installed Amavis-Stats on a FreeBSD 4.9 Release server? When I try running the Perl script, I get an error about not being able to find warnings.pm... There exists a little FreeBSD guide for amavisd-new at: http://www.erodia.net/doc/amavis-stats_freebsd.txt I had gone through that guide as I was initially working on it; the part I'm stuck at is actually executing the script because it seems to be giving me a Perl error. When I change into the directory with the Perl script and run it, I get: Can't locate warnings.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-freebsd /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005 . /usr/libdata/perl/5.00503/mach /usr/libdata/perl/5.00503) at ./amavis-stats line 30. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./amavis-stats line 30. My Perl -v gives: Summary of my perl5 (5.0 patchlevel 5 subversion 3) configuration: Platform: osname=freebsd, osvers=4.0-current, archname=i386-freebsd uname='FreeBSD freefall.FreeBSD.org 4.0-current FreeBSD 4.0-current #0: $Date$' hint=recommended, useposix=true, d_sigaction=define usethreads=undef useperlio=undef d_sfio=undef Compiler: cc='cc', optimize='undef', gccversion=2.95.2 19991024 (release) cppflags='' ccflags ='' stdchar='char', d_stdstdio=undef, usevfork=true intsize=4, longsize=4, ptrsize=4, doublesize=8 d_longlong=define, longlongsize=8, d_longdbl=define, longdblsize=12 alignbytes=4, usemymalloc=n, prototype=define Linker and Libraries: ld='cc', ldflags ='-Wl,-E -lperl -lm ' libpth=/usr/lib libs=-lm -lc -lcrypt libc=, so=so, useshrplib=true, libperl=libperl.so.3 Dynamic Linking: dlsrc=dl_dlopen.xs, dlext=so, d_dlsymun=undef, ccdlflags=' -Wl,-R/usr/lib' cccdlflags='-DPIC -fpic', lddlflags='-Wl,-E -shared -lperl -lm ' Characteristics of this binary (from libperl): Built under freebsd Compiled at Oct 27 2003 14:43:39 @INC: /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-freebsd /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005 . /usr/libdata/perl/5.00503/mach /usr/libdata/perl/5.00503 Anyone run into something like this before? -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Update utility
On Mar 9, 2004, at 12:57 AM, Steve Ireland wrote: Below is from a post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It sounds like what you're looking for. I haven't tested it yet, but it my list of things to look into. I glanced over the site (http://www.roq.com/projects/quickpatch/) and it's saying that if I run that sequence of commands, then the next day I'd just have one script to run and that would patch the system for me and have everything up to date? Anyone using QuickPatch, and have some experiences to share with using it? The system I am currently using is portupgrade (update the ports tree via cvsup; portupgrade everything). Does anyone know if QuickPatch checks your current versions of software so you don't get a patch for software that's already been updated/altered? Someone else mentioned freebsd-update. I haven't looked at that yet...is it just for binary updates, or system-wide, or...? I guess what would really help (especially for newer users) is a reference or howto with definitive steps on how to do this, as in a step by step guide or script on how to keep your system up to date after a fresh install and keeping it up to date thereafter...does this exist somewhere? The documentation I've found seems fragmented between binary installs and source installs and port updates versus OS updates and...sorry, just gets confusing sometimes :-) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Moving SSH port off of port 22
On Mar 9, 2004, at 2:01 PM, Jason Halbert wrote: Hello All: I need some help moving SSH off of port 22, preferably onto port 23 and disabling telnet. Can I do this just by changing something in /etc/services or by means of a firewall? I have a firewall installed on the box and using NAT with ipfw. If you just want to plain move the SSHD's listening port, there's a port directive in /etc/ssh/sshd_config (default is a commented Port 22) that you can change what port it listens to. Altering that and restarting the sshd process should have it listen to the new port. -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rebuilding the World Question
Here's a definite question from a first timer, but there are so many variations out there that I thought I'd bounce this off the list and see what people thought (if I was doing this correctly) I have a 4.9-RELEASE installation. It was recently pointed out to me that to get all the bug fixes and security fixes, I need to cvsup with RELENG_4_9, not RELENG_4_9_0_RELEASE. So...here's the src-supfile I am using: *** *default host=cvsup7.FreeBSD.org *default base=/usr *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=. *default delete use-rel-suffix *default tag=RELENG_4_9 src-all doc-all * (does the tag=. matter here?) I run it with cvsup -g -L 2 src-supfile glance over /etc/make.conf cd /usr/src make buildworld make buildkernel make installkernel reboot into single user mode with boot -s mergemaster -p make installworld mergemaster reboot into normal multiuser mode One source I found said that they allow mergemaster to pretty much overwrite files unless it is asking about /etc/passwd /etc/hosts /etc/groups /etc/master.passwd This is an update from 4.9 release to the (hopefully) security updated version, and the system is running a generic kernel and is a pretty stock install (some ports are in place, but port updates are done separately, as I understand it) Are there any steps or pieces of advice I'm missing here? Advice/explanations/etc. are all appreciated. Thanks! ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Amavis-Stats.
On Mar 9, 2004, at 11:05 AM, Julien Gabel wrote: snip For my part, it doesn't work... but later than you : I get an *access denied on the stats files* when launching the index.php file from my browser... certainly not too hard to fix, but I had no time fot that this week. But the difference is... I use a FreeBSD-5.X not a FreeBSD-4.X and the perl version is 5.6.1 for this installation. I let you know if I will have the time investigate this problem. :-/ I really am a little bit too far into the configuration of the 4.9 server to update to a 5.x server...isn't 4.9 the recommended production release from Freebsd.org? But according to the document 'amavis-stats_freebsd.txt', the version used is the same than yours... Maybe can you try to contact its author for more information? I just sent an email tonight asking if the author had run into this problem. Odd... To me, it looks like Perl isn't finding an end-of-line (;) somewhere or isn't seeing the script file properly formatted. Or he had another version of Perl installed, or a module from CPAN that I don't have?... :-( ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Amavis-Stats.
On Mar 10, 2004, at 2:29 AM, Julien Gabel wrote: :-/ I really am a little bit too far into the configuration of the 4.9 server to update to a 5.x server...isn't 4.9 the recommended production release from Freebsd.org? Yes, it is. To me, it looks like Perl isn't finding an end-of-line (;) somewhere or isn't seeing the script file properly formatted. Or he had another version of Perl installed, or a module from CPAN that I don't have?... :-( For the moment, I can just say that on a FreeBSD-5.2.1 the warings.pm module is located under /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.1/. I got nothing under a FreeBSD-4.8 (i.e. /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.00503/). My first impression is that the perl version installed whith 4.X isn't sufficiently recent to be used with this script, but: 1/ I don't know perl (read: I can't debug the output); 2/ The proposed tutorial was written using 4.9, so... Waiting for the answer of the writer... I've been in touch with the author of the amavis-stats tutorial for 4.9. He had a ports 5.8 perl installed, and I am in the process of getting it configured on my system here to get it working (to get other ports that rely on perl to keep working after changing versions...) Thanks to everyone who tried helping me out...I'm much closer now to getting amavis-stats to work. I just have a little more testing to do then I'll email him back with how/whether it works (he wants to edit his instructions for others trying to get it working...) thanks again! -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
clamav ports
I've emailed the maintainer about this a few hours ago, but wondered if anyone else had experienced this... I'm running postfix with amavisd-new and clamav (clamd) to scan incoming email from the Internet then forward it to an internal Exchange server (a spam/virus filter server, essentially). I just finished updating to the latest 4.9 bug fixes, and afterwards did a portupgrade of my installed ports. Clamav was updated to the latest version, and now clamd is missing some viruses that it was catching before (and clamscan, I believe, can still catch...somefool.b-petite, for example). The version is 0.67-1. It is still reporting that it is quarantining some viruses, so I know it is working, but I don't know why it would have just stopped catching some of the emailed viruses. Anyone else run into this problem? Is there a new setting that I'm missing? I wanted to post this question to the clamav-users list, but I subscribed late last week and while I get the messages it says I'm a non-member and posts are held for moderator approval, and I haven't heard anything from the moderator after three messages to the list and one to the address that I thought might be a maintainer's address :-( I thought it could be somewhat FreeBSD related since it just started happening after I upgraded from ports, though. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: clamav ports
On Mar 10, 2004, at 9:26 PM, Jonathan T. Sage wrote: Bart - just a thought, but it is possible that the port updated the virus database to the possibly older version in the distfile. You may want to run freshclam and see if this clears up the issue. Hopefully thats all the problem is. hope this helps On a lark, I reran the test (situation: I ssh to my home account that isn't filtered, and send myself two small viruses that some MS user was so kind to have unknowingly sent to me...I'm using Mac to store/send them, so I guess it's nice to be immune when I have to test these things :-) Weird. It caught it this time. And I did run a freshclam, thinking something odd happened to the database. Perhaps clamd just doesn't see the update right away? (there's also a freshclam run from a cron script every four hours or so). I doublechecked and I wasn't imagining things; one virus I sent slipped right through the first time, but this time in an identical test almost five hours later the antivirus on the FreeBSD filter slapped it right down. Not gonna question it though, as long as it's working! Thanks! ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: clamav ports
On Mar 11, 2004, at 12:00 AM, Paul Murphy wrote: Just a thought, do you have '#NotifyClamd [/optional/config/file/path]' uncommented in freshclam.conf I didn't, but I did uncomment it now. I don't have a freshclam running from the rc.conf; I have a crontab file for root that is 0 */4 * * * /usr/local/bin/freshclam Should I be running the script file instead from rc.conf? Do both ways still notify clamd?...I don't know what config file it should be pointing to, but since it was optional I didn't add one (just have a line in freshclam.conf stating NotifyClamd). I still have no idea why the system just started magically picking up the virus that after the rebuild it was letting through. Maybe it happened after it did a database consistency check? Thank you! -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
log rotation
Quick questions: I've run across some mumblings in the ClamAV lists about Clamd not logging anymore (or not scanning anymore?) when the maximum logfile size is reached. Is anyone in FreeBSD running this, and if so, are you using Newsyslog to rotate the logs? What are your settings (how would I set it up)? Elaborations: I didn't know what would be a safe way to do this, since I also have an every-four-hour update running for the clamav and I didn't know what would happen if A) the update for the database falls at a moment when the log is rotating B) I didn't find the proper way to rotate the log so Clamd doesn't have an open file handle on a log being rotated and/or have clamd try writing to the file while it's being rotated C) how can clamd have the file rotated without being temporarily disabled running into problems because that disabled clamd may be called on in that period by amavisd-new to do a virus scan on a mail message... Anyone got a good log rotation scheme in place to handle this automatically without running into problems? Thanks! -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: log rotation
On Mar 15, 2004, at 7:37 AM, Ruben de Groot wrote: On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 10:30:05PM +1030, Wayne Sierke typed: On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 10:37, Bart Silverstrim wrote: Quick questions: I've run across some mumblings in the ClamAV lists about Clamd not logging anymore (or not scanning anymore?) when the maximum logfile size is reached. Is anyone in FreeBSD running this, and if so, are you using Newsyslog to rotate the logs? What are your settings (how would I set it up)? Having recently installed clamav I was interested in getting log rotation enabled too (5.2-RELEASE). As an experiment I set the when entry in newsyslog.conf to 1 hour. After the log rotation I'm not getting any new entries written to the logfile. I believe I saw somewhere someone claiming that logrotate was working for them (but probably on Linux). Might have to try that instead. Are you using syslogd for logging (LogSyslog in clamav.conf) ? Log rotation through newsyslog is working fine here. What is your clamav.conf and newsyslog config file setup? (and what release of FreeBSD? I'm using 4.9-p3...should work, shouldn't it?) Thanks! ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Antivirus suggestion...
On Mar 15, 2003, at 9:01 AM, Xpression wrote: Anybody can suggest me a free antivirus to use with MailScanner + Spammassassin on a FreeBSD-4.8 box running Exim as MTA ??? Thanks in advance... I haven't tried it on Exim, but I've had mostly good luck with ClamAV (need to work on the log rotation question I've posted previously about, though...) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ClamAV Log Rotation (WAS: Antivirus suggestion...)
On Mar 16, 2004, at 6:28 PM, Wayne Sierke wrote: On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 08:45, Jonathan T. Sage wrote: Hope this is of some use: snip Clamd log rotation: first and foremost, make sure that clamav is gonna drop a pidfile. in /usr/local/etc/clamav.conf, uncomment: # This option allows you to save the process identifier of the listening # daemon (main thread). PidFile /var/run/clamd.pid then, add the following (one line) to /etc/newsyslog.conf /var/log/clamd.log 644 3 *$W0D1 BJ \ /var/run/clamd.pid 1 this will rotate the log once a week, keep 3 of them (current log +3 weeks). it will also compress the old one with bzip2 and SIGHUP the clamd process. seems to work just fine for me, running clamav-devel on -current (Mar 3 or so right now) Here's what I got: # ls -lrt /var/log/clamd* -rw-r- 1 clamav clamav 0 Mar 17 06:00 /var/log/clamd.log -rw-r- 1 clamav clamav 35873 Mar 17 09:00 /var/log/clamd.log.0 # tail -n 6 /var/log/clamd.log.0 Wed Mar 17 05:58:54 2004 - SelfCheck: Database status OK. Wed Mar 17 06:00:00 2004 - SIGHUP catched: log file re-opened. Wed Mar 17 06:00:00 2004 - ERROR: accept() failed. Wed Mar 17 06:59:32 2004 - SelfCheck: Database status OK. Wed Mar 17 08:00:10 2004 - SelfCheck: Database status OK. Wed Mar 17 09:00:48 2004 - SelfCheck: Database status OK. # portversion -v clamav* clamav-0.67.1 = up-to-date with port Hmm, just saw a submission to -ports for an update to 0.70-rc, looks like that version is needed to have the SIGHUP handling (according to its NEWS file). I suppose the next question is, how *should* I be doing the log rotation (if I do a ports update and it does indeed update to .70)...what entries in the newsyslog.conf file should be made and what, if anything, needs to be entered into the clamav file? I don't want to mix workaround for not continuing to log old method with new works with sighup method... Thanks everyone! -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mail readers (was: Re: Portupgrade troubles, interactive ports)
On Mar 17, 2004, at 5:45 PM, Kris Kennaway wrote: 1) Please wrap your lines at 70 characters so your emails may be easily read. I'm using Mail.app on OS X 10.3.3, and someone offering some advice from this list also asked me to fix line wrapping. I checked and checked, but found nothing in Mail that allows a wrapping unless it's done manually. I went to the MacOSX admin mailing list and asked there. They said that the problem is that when Mail.app sends as text (I avoid whenever possible sending html or rich text stuff through email...if it's good enough for telnet, it's good enough for me! :-) the format is flow (format = flowed), and pointed me to http://www.joeclark.org/ffaq.html for some information. From what I understood the problem isn't Mail.app, it was a MUA that isn't correctly reading format=flowed Out of curiosity, what email program are you using that it's not showing up? I thought the FAQ said that many term emailers support the flowed format...essentially my hitting enter at the end of each line is making it more difficult for the format=flowed-speaking- mailers to correctly format my email for quoting, etc... Suggestions? I'm not trying to start any kind of religious MUA war or anything like that, just asking for honest opinion on best practices... ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail readers (was: Re: Portupgrade troubles, interactive ports)
On Mar 18, 2004, at 3:42 PM, Jerry McAllister wrote: Yup. I do it manually - just hit that nice big Enter/Return key between a couple of word when I get out around that far. Which is why, on my mailer, quoting you gives a full line then one word then a line...it kind of reminds me of a person I knew in college who typed his first multipage essay with the hard linefeeds at the end of each line instead of the end of each paragraph, then made a change near the beginning and foobar'd his formatting for the whole document... :-) That's all too complicated. It is really because many people read their mail on text only readers - such as on a console without much gui stuff or whatever. So, the stuff either just wraps at lousy places and runs stuff together or it ignores all the html or other markup junk that clutters up the message file and splats it all out on the screen just as it gets it which is hard to read. In the FAQ (and the conversation I had with the person on the OS X lists), it isn't HTML, and it isn't a GUI thing. Format=flowed works in several console programs, from what the FAQ said. Re: HTML, the FAQ said: No. Nothing. Format=flowed applies solely to plain-text messages. HTML messages already have something functionally equivalent to f=f: the BLOCKQUOTE attribute, which... um... quotes blocks of text. When f=f mailers that also can handle HTML encounter BLOCKQUOTE text, its usually marked up with the same excerpt bars were familiar with from f=f. Format=flowed isnt actually at work there, but since BLOCKQUOTE text flows nicely when you resize a window, the effect is the same. A return in there usuall doesn't mess up the gui Email readers. They tend to ignore it. But it sure helps text based Email readers. Actually, it is displaying oddly in my MUA...because of the hard returns mixed with the f=f. Incidentally, can others on the list verify where my mail is wrapping? I was working with someone offlist to see if, in Mail.app, my wrapping is affected by the size of the composition window when I send the message. I noticed that quirk in a few other OS X apps when working with printing documents...WYSIWYG taken to an extreme :-) -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail readers (was: Re: Portupgrade troubles, interactive ports)
On Mar 18, 2004, at 5:22 PM, Parv wrote: in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Bart Silverstrim thusly... Incidentally, can others on the list verify where my mail is wrapping? Love to! Your first reply did not wrap around ~72 characters; it went until the width of my terminal (mutt 1.5.5.1_1 in xterm) for all practical purposes. This message of yours was around ~72 characters, and i like you for that. Now. I'm still conversing with someone else from the list about this...I really think it depends on the width of Mail.app's composition window as to where it inserts the formatting codes! Probably will know more shortly...I just sent him two messages, each with differently width-ed windows for the composition windows. -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail readers
On Mar 19, 2004, at 2:49 AM, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No. Nothing. Format=flowed applies solely to plain-text messages. HTML messages already have something functionally equivalent to f=f: the BLOCKQUOTE attribute, which... um... quotes blocks of text. When f=f mailers that also can handle HTML encounter BLOCKQUOTE text, its usually marked up with the same excerpt bars were familiar with from f=f. Format=flowed isnt actually at work there, but since BLOCKQUOTE text flows nicely when you resize a window, the effect is the same. I've never heard of this f=f stuff and don't have time just now to investigate, but I'll keep typing anyway. I think the problem is the same but worse. f=f is probably spec'd in a new draft RFC and many mail readers don't support it, so your correspondents on a list list this can't handle it well. According to the FAQ, it (f=f) was developed (IIRC) by Qualcomm to not solve any problem in particular. However, this form of formatting would allow text to be easily formatted into columns readable by any kind of simple display...i.e., PDAs and cellphones with text messaging and email, etc. and at the same time it would easily scale to larger (PC) displays with pretty formatting and proper wrapping. Older readers would just ignore the formatting characters and mangle it accordingly. Oddly enough (if my current theory holds) where the invisible f=f formatting is inserted in an Apple app is dependent on the width of the composition window...which on my iBook really sucks because this window looks so NARROW compared to what I'm used to, hoping that other people's mail readers work a little better with reading my posts to the list. I haven't heard other people complaining as much about my mail wrapping at the 120 mark, so I'm hoping that maybe this will make it easier for others... It shouldn't be that hard for terminal mailers to adopt f=f, if I'm understanding it properly...just be a matter of time. -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Top posting
On Mar 21, 2004, at 7:35 PM, Lucas Holt wrote: Aside from mailing lists, I tend to be a top poster. I don't like when people leave the last 12 emails and then bottom post.. i have to scroll all day. They should, in my opinion, delete extraneous stuff that doesn't have anything to do with the comment... The other irritant is people who actually post in the middle of messages. That breaks the FLOW as well. After someone replies top or bottom its VERY hard to read. How? I see it as a conversational thread. Here's what YOU said, here's what I have to say in reply... I have a friend who seems to take the MS lazy approach to email. I'll ask him three unrelated questions in the course of a reply to his mail. He top posts the answers at the very top...I have no idea what in hell he's talking about. Talk about breaking the flow of the message... How about a new convention. Delete everything but the last reply in the thread when you send to the list and say bottom post. What if you're referring to what was referred to in flow to the previous message? Why would you want to stop and wonder what the heck the previous person what talking about? The bottom line is that people reply. This list is here to help users with FreeBSD. I'd take an answer to my questions in any format! As long as it isn't something that you're puzzling over and have to ask several questions to get a final answer to out of it :-) -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How To Upgrade to Perl 5.8 on 4.9 System?
On Mar 23, 2004, at 8:41 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: Drew Tomlinson wrote: I'm using 4.9-RELEASE. Is is possible to upgrade Perl from the default 5.005 version to 5.8.2? Yes. Are there any steps required beyond installing the port? Try: cd /usr/ports/lang/perl5.8 make install use.perl port I also had to re-install some of my ports after installing the new Perl and switching the system perl to the newer version (4.9-release-p3). Otherwise I saw failures when I restarted Perl applications... Dunno if a reboot would have fixed it, but I noticed that when I did a make deinstall, make clean, then make install of the ports that acted up, part of the messages mentioned the newer version of PERL :-) Just a note in case you run into the problems I did...maybe I did something wrong in the process, but this worked amid the rising feeling of panic :-) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ! why?
On Mar 25, 2004, at 8:37 AM, __Clint__ wrote: The [EMAIL PROTECTED] email was a one-time disposable email address that I only ever gave to FreeBSD.org. Well, you started out with the right strategy, but you abandoned it too soon. You've now blown what looks like your real email address. Never reveal your true email address, for it can be used against you. How have I blown it? I sent a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] when I got spammed. The automatic bounceback said to send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If [EMAIL PROTECTED] is actually a mail list, I was never told. So yes -- maybe it's been blown (even further) now. But that is due to your poor bounceback message. 1) I get spam 2) I complain to abuse 3) it bounces with a message to use another address 4) I guess, from what you've said, that address is a mail list so in exchange for complaining about you selling my [EMAIL PROTECTED] email address to spammers, you have now redirected me into unknowningly posting to a mail list, thereby causing more spam. Maybe when I get spam I should just sit here helpless and do nothing. But that didn't work well for the jews in WWII. Complacency is not an attitude I like to adopt. What are you talking about?? Did you get spam that REPORTED to be FROM the FreeBSD list? If so, look up spoofing and forging headers...the FreeBSD list had NOTHING to do with it. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ! why?
On Mar 25, 2004, at 8:57 AM, __Clint__ wrote: I once submitted my address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] to SOME webform on www.freebsd.org. Never used or heard of the address again until that spam was directed to it. Never been on the list. Everything after + but before @ in my email is ignored. Whenever I submit my mail, and I don't want to use a hotmail address, I usually add the domainname there. Like [EMAIL PROTECTED] So that when I get spammed later, I know just who gave it to them. Okay...I'm still missing a couple of parts of the picture...(clever tracking system, though) You don't recall what the form was you submitted it to? In order to get into the freebsd-questions list, there is a submission request...as I recall it verifies you want to be signed up to it. How did you get on the FreeBSD list to say this had happened if you never signed up to it? ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hi I have a suggestion! To Imporve the perfect Freebsd!
On Mar 28, 2004, at 2:09 PM, Joe Falcone wrote: With your help your os will become a alternetive to all operating systems on the market. Correct me if I'm wrong, but... a) the goal of FreeBSD isn't to become a marketed product, per se... and b) FreeBSD already IS an alternative to marketed OS's. If you will make WINE a hidden component in the operating system and tell everyone about the new compatability you will make a difference in operating systems of future computing. Disturbing... a) why make Windows out of a system that isn't Windows? If you need it...why not just run it? b) I don't WANT invisible compatibility. I don't need the virus propagations and hacks for one OS showing up in another one. I *like* knowing that I can have a virus binary on my system sandboxed tightly in because it *can't* run on my platform. I regularly test some of my mailscanners and AV implementations using files saved on my OS X system. Make a difference and change the way operating systems work by taking this advice of mine and you will have a flawless operating system of sorts. Except that it runs Windows stuff. :-p YOUR OPERATING SYSTEM WILL DO IT ALL No OS is perfect if it aims to be all things for all people. Focus on the strengths that work best for the OS niche, and you'll have a usable system for that segment...at least that's my philosophy. I've been wrong many times before though :-) if you make this a special component in the operating system. We can acomplish! The world needs windows programs without the blue screen of death So do this and you will be rewarded inside af how you changed the world! Then wait for MS to fix their problems. Me, I'm happy with my servers running FreeBSD and Linux and my notebook running OS X and I tolerate the servers the end users use with Win2k :-/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SpamAssassin
Question...Is anyone else running amavisd-new with spamassassin from ports? If so, where/how should I be updating or altering the spamassassin rules? I'd like to try updating some of the rules from the spamassassin site, but didn't know where the ports version was putting the rulesets... a) what directory should I put them into? b) is there a config file I'd have to alter to get spamassassin to use them? c) can I just plonk new SA files into that directory and they would be used automatically? d) should I just wait until the ports version of SA is updated to get new rules, or does ports have the newer rules integrated into it? e) do I need to alter anything in amavisd-new to get the new rules to work? Thanks! -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
portupgrade question
I recently ran a portupgrade on one of our servers. The following error and exchange came up: server# pkgdb -F --- Checking the package registry database Stale dependency: portupgrade-20040325_1 - openssl-0.9.7d (security/openssl): New dependency? (? to help): ? [Enter] to skip, [Ctrl]+[D] to delete, [.][Enter] to abort, [Tab] to complete New dependency? (? to help): portupgrade-20040325_1 Fixed. (- portupgrade-20040325_1) Cyclic dependencies: portupgrade-20040325_1 - (portupgrade-20040325_1) Unlink portupgrade-20040325_1 - portupgrade-20040325_1 ? [yes] Command failed [exit code 1]: grep -v \^portupgrade-20040325_1\\\$\ /var/db/pkg/portupgrade-20040325_1/+REQUIRED_BY /tmp/+REQUIRED_BY82988.0 server# What should I have chosen? pkgdb -F doesn't find any problems now, and no errors that I *see* are coming up, but should I deinstall and reinstall portupgrade or have I done something wrong to the database? How can I fix it? -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anti-virus
On Mar 29, 2004, at 9:52 PM, Earl Larsen wrote: I was wondering what is a good, free ;) anti virus program for FreeBSD. Clamav has worked very well for me... ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
portupgrade problem w/ dependency?
After doing a make install on openssl and then a portupgrade -f portupgrade, here's what I ran... server# pkgdb -F --- Checking the package registry database server# portsdb -Uu Updating the ports index ... Generating INDEX.tmp - please wait.. Done. done [Updating the portsdb format:bdb1_btree in /usr/ports ... - 10657 port entries found .1000.2000.3000.4000.5000... ..6000.7000.8000.9000.1.. . done] server# pkdgdb -F pkdgdb: Command not found. server# pkgdb -F --- Checking the package registry database server# This was what was happening after my previous selection of the portupgrade as a dependency using tab completion (it wouldn't allow openssl with tab completion); no errors seemed to show up afterwards. How can I tell that the link/dependency is properly fixed with portupgrade now, or does the above show it's okay? I don't know if now portupgrade has a circular dependency or not... :-( (below was the exchange that started my problem in the first place and prompted me to send to the list) I'd think that the command failed part meant nothing was changed?...below was what prompted the question, above is the output after installing openssl and going portupgrade -f portupgrade, sorry for the out-of-sequence-of-events-posting :-) server# pkgdb -F --- Checking the package registry database Stale dependency: portupgrade-20040325_1 - openssl-0.9.7d (security/openssl): New dependency? (? to help): ? [Enter] to skip, [Ctrl]+[D] to delete, [.][Enter] to abort, [Tab] to complete New dependency? (? to help): portupgrade-20040325_1 Fixed. (- portupgrade-20040325_1) Cyclic dependencies: portupgrade-20040325_1 - (portupgrade-20040325_1) Unlink portupgrade-20040325_1 - portupgrade-20040325_1 ? [yes] Command failed [exit code 1]: grep -v \^portupgrade-20040325_1\\\$\ /var/db/pkg/portupgrade-20040325_1/+REQUIRED_BY /tmp/+REQUIRED_BY82988.0 server# * Thanks, -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sf.net: host not found
On Mar 31, 2004, at 10:52 AM, Shantanoo wrote: I told you how to setup your _own_ _DNS_ server. You won't need to use other DNS server. Shantanoo Forgive me, but does the country block access to the root Internet servers? If so, wouldn't it only cache information that is available...i.e., if his DNS server can't get the IP's for those sites because his upstream has it blocked, he could only get the crippled available IPs from those within the country? I knew they blocked things in the country using proxies, but I didn't (and don't) know the full range of the blocking that's done...my first thoughts were that he was inviting trouble by discussing trying to get to these sites on a public mailing list, wondering if they were watching and noting his attempt to subvert their blocking. Maybe someday they'll come to their senses and drop the Internet censorship :-) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PERL question
Okay, this is probably off topic, and I'll gladly take it offlist if someone can contact me directly with an answer...I was hoping that with the BSD Unix gurus here, someone may have experience in the area of this question :-) I'm looking for a PERL script that can act kind of like a proxy (filter?) for an IMAP connection, and when certain lines of text come through, it will erase them while leaving everything else intact. What I'm thinking of aiming for is to have the proxy run on the local machine, and tell my IMAP client to connect to it; the proxy would connect to the real address of the IMAP server. All the commands for browsing, reading, flagging, etc. would be passed just fine but when headers for read receipt/tracking requests come into the proxy, it would just filter them out (or alter them in a way that they would be useless). Would such a thing even be possible to easily implement, if it doesn't already exist? It should be pretty transparent, I would think... Thanks for any guidance you could offer in this area... -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is Anyone Receiving List Mail?
On Apr 1, 2004, at 8:40 PM, Drew Tomlinson wrote: I haven't received any mail from any of the several FBSD lists to which I subscribe since this morning, April 1 at around 06:00 PST. I am receiving mail from other sources so I don't suspect my system. If others are receiving mail, please respond cc'ing me directly so I can look into the matter further. I'm getting this mail through the questions list... ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OS X and FreeBSD: What could be a good setup
On Apr 2, 2004, at 12:06 PM, Doug Poland wrote: Panna wrote: You see I'm in a state of confusion.. You're simply using a FreeBSD as a file server. You serve up files to the client via NFS (OS X) or CIFS (Windows). FreeBSD doesn't care. Now if you want FreeBSD to understand and manipulate those files is a different issue. See, this is part of where I was getting a little munged up in trying to figure out how I want to aim for renetworking my home... I'm looking at using FreeBSD on a server (web, mail, file server) with OS X, Windows, and probably Linux clients. I'd like the FreeBSD server to handle authentication, but that may be a pipe dream to accomplish across platforms easily :-/ For the file serving I was looking at NFS (especially using the NFS server with Services for Unix under Windows), but the common cross-platform version may too insecure to use comfortably, especially with wireless (most of my wireless connections are wrapped in ssh if they're important anyway). That would leave SMB/CIFS, meaning SAMBA, but I haven't found anyone able to tell me if CIFS is secure over the wire. I seem to recall a utility that would sniff network packets and if NFS is used, it can capture the files as they're travelling over the network; can this happen with CIFS? I would really rather NOT use mixed protocols to share; NFS for Linux/OS X, CIFS for Windows...then I'd have increased overhead to managing permissions, etc... Advice? ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OS X and FreeBSD: What could be a good setup
On Apr 12, 2004, at 3:14 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: Bart Silverstrim wrote: [ ... ] I'm looking at using FreeBSD on a server (web, mail, file server) with OS X, Windows, and probably Linux clients. I'd like the FreeBSD server to handle authentication, but that may be a pipe dream to accomplish across platforms easily :-/ LDAP would be the way to go given the platforms you mention, although NIS would work for everything but Windows and would be much easier to set up. I suppose this would leave Windows 9x out of the loop :-) I did see where pGINA was making strides for XP/NT2K, though, to make LDAP authentication simpler... [ ... ] That would leave SMB/CIFS, meaning SAMBA, but I haven't found anyone able to tell me if CIFS is secure over the wire. I seem to recall a utility that would sniff network packets and if NFS is used, it can capture the files as they're travelling over the network; can this happen with CIFS? Oh, yes: unless you use an encrypted tunnelling protocol like a VPN or an SSH tunnel, pretty much all filesharing protocols are vulnerable to subnet-local sniffing. Using strong encryption when using wireless is a fine idea. :-) VPN would be a little strong to use for client-wap, though, wouldn't it? I have used VPN's for WAP-WAP bridges, but not for a notebook computer to a WAP. What I HAVE used is SSH, to create a redirected series of ports. That's reasonably simple to open on a notebook. BUT I don't know how (or even *if*) it could be used to redirect CIFS connections. How come NFS got such heavy flak for insecurity when CIFS also transfers in clear text over the wire? Just curious...perhaps it's easier to misconfigure to allow mounts that people didn't mean to mount (although the same could be said of being able to mount C$ without the user on the machine knowing it...) -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
portupgrade-razor-agents, amavis, sa errors
Unfortunately, it rebuilt many things and the output of the compile had scrolled off (is there a log somewhere of what happened?), but after a portupgrade I was greeted with the following error: * [Updating the pkgdb format:bdb1_btree in /var/db/pkg ... - 118 packages found (-0 +1) . done] ** Listing the failed packages (*:skipped / !:failed) ! mail/razor-agents (razor-agents-2.36_3) (unknown build error) * mail/p5-Mail-SpamAssassin (p5-Mail-SpamAssassin-2.63) * security/amavisd-new (amavisd-new-20030616.p8_1) --- Packages processed: 9 done, 105 ignored, 2 skipped and 1 failed ** I'm assuming this means that amavis and spamassassin were skipped in updating, although I don't know why, and there was a problem with razor agents? Would the problem with razor-agents have caused the other two to fail, since I thought that amavis requires spam assassin which may also rely on razor-agents? Has anyone else run into this? before I blindly chart a course of action, I'd like to hear from the more experienced admins out there who can tell me what I should do...it also rebuilt squid and clamav on this system and stopping and restarting squid, clamd, and amavis seems to all have succeeded...Did I do something wrong? Many thanks, -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Excel/Word compatible ports?
On Apr 13, 2004, at 11:52 AM, Joshua Lokken wrote: * Conrad Sabatier [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-04-13 06:41]: I know, I know, I could probably find the answer to this question myself, but I thought I'd save myself the time and trouble. :-) Looks like someone already pointed out the flaw in that logic ;) One could argue that it saves time if someone else can name off the top of their head the solution they have found best, rather then spending time sifting through possible solutions and possibly choosing one that does NOT work best... Just playing devil's advocate :-) Does anyone know of any ports in the ports collection that can read/write/edit MS Excel/Word files? I need this for a project I've been assigned at work. I didn't see it mentioned yet, but AbiWord2 handles .docs. It is considerably smaller (everything's considerably smaller) than OO, but doesn't include the full suite, just Word. /usr/ports/editors/AbiWord2 Abiword, openoffice, Koffice? Is koffice usable in ports? Are you just trying to manipulate the documents or edit them with open source packages? The best answer would be open office, in my experience...plus open office (OO.o) is cross-platform. Linux, Windows, OS X (although I think they need a new version released for OS X soon...I hope they will, anyway), freeBSD... ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: have i been hacked?
On Apr 14, 2004, at 1:47 AM, Luke Kearney wrote: On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:51:06 -0400 dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] granted us these pearls of wisdom: Hello, Wondering if a system on my network has been hacked? At approx 12:30 this evening the hard disk went crazy, i have been out of town lately and have not checked any of the machines, when i did the CPU usage was at 15% snip What about output from chkrootkit, to check to see whether any rootkit programs have been installed? ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What happened after gnome upgrade??
On Apr 14, 2004, at 10:08 PM, Vulpes Velox wrote: On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:48:32 -0400 R. M. Los [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, Something strange has happened. In gnome-2.4 I had the CPU/Memory/Network monitors setup on my bottom bar, as well as my battery meter, etc. Now with Gnome-2.6 upgraded (mostly OK, crashed towards the VERY end...), all my things don't work right anymore. All apps like GnomeMeeting, the battery meter, etc appear to be completely messed up. For the most part, they run, but none of the words, etc are there! The battery meter, when I click on it, only shows the Do Not Enter ERROR box, no text and nothing else visible - again, no words, etc. The same goes for GnomeMeeting. Also when I try to run the proccess display applet, nothing shows up, just the line graph of CPU usage, but nothing such as process names, descriptions, etc or menu items along the top shows up anymore. HOW do I fix this?! GTK+ was updated recently and this sounds like what happens when apps that use it get out of sync with it. You will have to recompile everything that uses GTK+. I suggest portupgraded. /me recently saw this himself with the gtk apps he uses when updated gtk+ Are you saying that a portupgrade -fRra is required? ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems mailing FreeBSD Lists
On Apr 20, 2004, at 12:38 PM, Ben Pratt wrote: Hello - I've been having problems recently sending e-mail to FreeBSD lists. For some reason I'm able to receive messages without a problem but when I try to send them I'm getting rejected by the list server. I've tried using Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 as well as MS Outlook 2003. I've been able to send in the past but I'm not sure if that was before I switched from Outlook XP to Outlook 2003. Does anybody have any ideas as to why these clients wouldn't be able to send?? Thanks, Ben p.s. I'm sending this from a free OpenBSD shell that I've got. I had problems recently and got them resolved; needed my DNS host to resolve back to what my SMTP MTA was claiming it's name was (which was the name of an internal server by host...) with the HELO command, as I recall. A day or two later I'd get the note that my post was rejected; the admin for the mailing list said once my DNS was altered so host name reversed properly to the name given by my MTA I'd be okay. Lo and behold, an hour later I was all fixed up and able to post. anyway, what is the error you're getting in the bounce? ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
sysinstall/ports?
Silly question but it's the first time I've played with X under FreeBSD... I am in the process of installing X with Gnome from /stand/sysinstall. Will the packages added through this be the same as those from ports, or is there a way to use ports (portupgrade) to update the packages? Do I have to do something to change the version used to the ports version if I want to keep up to date with portupgrade? Thanks, -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hardware RAID
On Jan 21, 2005, at 4:02 AM, Stijn Hoop wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 05:22:36AM -0800, Sandy Rutherford wrote: On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:57:21 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: This did teach me a lesson that I kind of knew already but didn't think too much about. That is, a software array is no substitute for a hardware array. ... I respectfully disagree here; it is a substitute in some respects, especially if you factor in cost. My vinum volumes allowed me to survive for a long time without backups (bad idea, don't do that), and for the past years have allowed me to survive without having to restore my backups. This through about 5 failing ATA disks and multiple upgrades of the storage space. I'd say it was worth it for me, including reliability. If you need speed, or have the cash, etc, you can go for hardware RAID. But even there I've seen and heard horror stories of incompatible disks, spontaneously lost configurations or even worse, silent data corruption due to a bad disk. Just to interject such a tale, since we just had to put up with it... This was with a Windows 2000 server on a Dell with a Perc 3/di RAID controller, using four drives in a RAID 5 array. We came in to find that one of the disks had gone bad and the server was blinking red. Disk 2 was dead. Not a problem, with the Dells with a Perc card you just call it in, they send a new drive, you remove the bad and insert the new and it should start rebuilding! The wonder of hardware RAID...hot swap rebuilding to minimize downtime. Well...it wouldn't rebuild. Go around with the tech a couple times, and then ran the onboard diagnostics on the RAID controller...disk 2 was brand new, of course, so it was blank. Disk 3 kept showing about five bad blocks on it. Turns out that sometimes disks will have bad blocks that the array controller can't repair (even though in the utilities it would run the repair and not give any indication that the repair didn't work), and it didn't warn about the bad blocks either; those bad blocks will prevent the controller from rebuilding the array. The only solution? Make a full backup, replace the other drive as well, then rebuild the volume from scratch and restore your data. But hey, who needs a weekend anyway? :-) Hardware RAID should keep you running for awhile, but in this case, it was only a stopgap to buy some time. Like I said, this just happened to us, so thought I'd share. -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
portmanager loop?
I had (have?) several packages in the ports collection that needed updating, and recently someone in the list was talking about using portmanager -u to save on problems with updating; it doesn't touch the ports database, it won't mess up the collection, it walks dependencies automagically, etc...should be as easy as portmanager -u and letting it do it's magic, correct? On the Dell 2650 this is running on (FBSD 4.9) *seems* to keep recompiling xfree86-4-server. Is there a way to tell if it is stuck in a loop? I had to stop it yesterday after it had been upgrading for several hours. Can someone take a look at this status output and tell me if I need to do something to get a successful portmanager run, or verify that letting it go will eventually untangle whatever it's doing? The portmanager -s shows: # portmanager -s --- PMGRrStatus 0.2.4_0 info: Creating inital data bases --- awk: cmd. line:1: fatal: cannot open file `/usr/local/etc/portmanager/pm-020.conf' for reading (No such file or directory) --- PMGRrStatus 0.2.4_0 info: looking for missing dependent ports --- --- -=MISSING=- xfree86-dri-4.4.0[graphics/xfree86-dri] may be a dependency of XFree86-Server-4.4.0_6 verifing dependency status of xfree86-dri-4.4.0 (may take awhile) by executing command: cd /usr/ports/x11-servers/XFree86-4-Server; make all-depends-list * * * * xfree86-dri-4.4.0 is no longer a dependency of XFree86-Server-4.4.0_6 forcing rebuild of XFree86-Server-4.4.0_6 to fix /var/db/pkg/XFree86-Server-4.4.0_6/+CONTENTS file. * * * * WARNING: xfree86-dri-4.4.0 may conflict with a new XFree86-Server-4.4.0_6 dependency and may have to be manually removed with pkg_delete -f xfree86-dri-4.4.0. If portmanager fails during rebuild of XFree86-Server-4.4.0_6 then review /usr/ports/UPDATING and also note what is at the bottom of /usr/ports/MOVED. --- PMGRrStatus 0.2.4_0 info: looking for old installed ports --- have:png-1.2.8 status: CURRENT: graphics/png have:libXft-2.1.6 status: CURRENT: x11-fonts/libXft have:pkgconfig-0.15.0_1status: CURRENT: devel/pkgconfig have:fontconfig-2.2.3,1status: CURRENT: x11-fonts/fontconfig have:p5-XML-Parser-2.34_1 status: CURRENT: textproc/p5-XML-Parser have:XFree86-FontServer-4.4.0_2 status: CURRENT: x11-servers/XFree86-4-FontServer have:dri-6.2_2,2 status: CURRENT: graphics/dri have:lsof-4.74 status: CURRENT: sysutils/lsof have:XFree86-clients-4.4.0_1 status: OLD available:XFree86-clients-4.4.0_4 x11/XFree86-4-clients have:pico-4.62 status: CURRENT: editors/pico have:XFree86-documents-4.4.0 status: CURRENT: x11/XFree86-4-documents have:XFree86-fontEncodings-4.4.0 status: CURRENT: x11-fonts/XFree86-4-fontEncodings have:XFree86-font100dpi-4.4.0 status: CURRENT: x11-fonts/XFree86-4-font100dpi have:XFree86-font75dpi-4.4.0 status: CURRENT: x11-fonts/XFree86-4-font75dpi have:XFree86-fontCyrillic-4.4.0 status: CURRENT: x11-fonts/XFree86-4-fontCyrillic have:pine-4.62 status: CURRENT: mail/pine4 have:XFree86-libraries-4.4.0_3 status: CURRENT: x11/XFree86-4-libraries have:XFree86-fontDefaultBitmaps-4.4.0 status: CURRENT: x11-fonts/XFree86-4-fontDefaultBitmaps have:bitstream-vera-1.10 status: CURRENT: x11-fonts/bitstream-vera have:wrapper-1.0_3 status: CURRENT: x11/wrapper have:XFree86-manuals-4.4.0_1 status: CURRENT: x11/XFree86-4-manuals have:linux_base-6.1_6 status: CURRENT: emulators/linux_base-6 have:fvwm-1.24rstatus: CURRENT: x11-wm/fvwm have:libtool-1.3.5_2 status: CURRENT: devel/libtool13 have:expat-1.95.8 status: CURRENT: textproc/expat2 have:gmake-3.80_2 status: CURRENT: devel/gmake have:ezm3-1.2 status: CURRENT: lang/ezm3 have:cvsup-without-gui-16.1h status: CURRENT: net/cvsup-without-gui have:openssl-0.9.7e_1 status: OLD available:openssl-0.9.7e_2 security/openssl have:ruby-1.6.8.2004.07.28_1 status: CURRENT: lang/ruby16 have:ruby16-shim-ruby18-1.8.1.p3 status: CURRENT: lang/ruby16-shim-ruby18 have:unzip-5.51status: CURRENT: archivers/unzip have:p5-Digest-HMAC-1.01 status: CURRENT: security/p5-Digest-HMAC have:aaccli-1.0status: CURRENT: sysutils/aaccli have:gettext-0.14.1status: CURRENT: devel/gettext
Re: portmanager loop?
On Jan 26, 2005, at 4:38 AM, cali wrote: I had (have?) several packages in the ports collection that needed updating, and recently someone in the list was talking about using portmanager -u to save on problems with updating; it doesn't touch the ports database, it won't mess up the collection, it walks dependencies automagically, etc...should be as easy as portmanager -u and letting it do it's magic, correct? I read the same thing, and thought I'd give it a shot. On the Dell 2650 this is running on (FBSD 4.9) *seems* to keep recompiling xfree86-4-server. Is there a way to tell if it is stuck in a loop? I had to stop it yesterday after it had been upgrading for several hours. The same thing happened to me. Not sure where it was stuck but I was getting a distinct sense of deja-vu watching the output (I don't really mean deja-vu but I can't think of a better way to say it). I left it for 30 hours, and then cancelled it. I'm going to try and run it again today, I'd like to know also if it will eventually get out of the loop, i.e if it is really a loop or something different. sorry that this post doesn't really help the situation Actually the developer for portmanager contacted me about it. He asked for some logfiles, and I didn't think the list wanted a 300k zip file mass mailed so I was privately emailing him about the situation. He's looking into it and hoped to have a fix soon. He's been wonderful with response time to this error and I was glad to help with any logs or testing I could. He had hoped to have a fix in there soon, but I don't know if he found answers yet as to what caused the loop. -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: portmanager loop?
On Jan 26, 2005, at 10:40 AM, Michael C. Shultz wrote: Thanks Bart for your patience, this one required me to set up XFree86-4 on a FreeBSD 4.11 machine and back date all of the ports. Perfectly understandable and I thank you for the efforts you're going through to get portmanager updated so quickly. So now I know that on December 1st, 2004 /usr/ports/graphics/xfree86-dri and /usr/ports/graphics/dri both existed and both report their name as dri-5.0.2,2 on that date. This caused portmanager to loop so I have duplicated the problem which means it can be fixed. I still need to move the ports forward to the current date before I have a certain fix but right now I think the quick work around will be to go into each of these directories (graphics/dri and graphics/xfree86-dri) and manually de-install them. Then let portmanager pull back in the correct one. That worked for the ports as they existed on December 1st, 2004 but I still need to verify it works for the current date. So for a quick fix at the moment, I should just go into /usr/ports/graphics/dri and /usr/ports/graphics/xfree86-dri and run make deinstall, then run portmanager -u and it should install the proper version for the dependancies, correct? Thanks again! -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do I do a COLD Reboot on FreeBSD?
On Jan 31, 2005, at 1:53 PM, Billy Newsom wrote: Jerry McAllister wrote: Well, I guess I completely do not understand what you are asking. From anything I can get from what you write here, its behavior is normal and expected. What is the problem and what are you trying to fix or to get it to do? A cold boot - which is what you ask about in your original post - is a boot all the way up from a powered off machine as far as I know. So, all I did was explain how to get what you asked for in the post. No, I said a cold reboot. That's the term for a reboot which runs the entire POST, counts memory, etc. The screen looks identical to a cold start or cold boot. We all know what the warm reboot means -- that's when many parts of the POST are skipped. Windows uses a cold reboot, for example, when you click Restart on the Shutdown menu. FreeBSD does a warm reboot using the reboot command. The warm reboot may save thirty to sixty seconds over the cold reboot. A warm reboot typically skips the memory check and does a cursory check of hard drive parameters, etc. to save time. If you use a PC DOCTOR disk and tell it to reboot, it will do a cold reboot. When you flash your BIOS from DOS, it will usually do a cold reboot when it exits. When you save changes and reboot from the BIOS setup screen, it will do a cold reboot. Many other examples are possible. What I tried to explain is that this PC crashes on the subsequent boot if a warm reboot is performed by FreeBSD. But if I could perform a cold reboot every time, this would solve the issue. A cold reboot is not the act of shutting the power off and turning it back on. That is called a power cycle and it is obviously manual. A cold reboot is done by a special software command. I was always told a cold reboot comes from powering down the system; minimal power to the logic board and wiping any and all traces possible (short of unplugging it) of random crap in the capacitors and memory. Literally cold boot because usually it happened after powering it down and it would cool off until the user came back to work on their computer for awhile. Warm boots basically just cycle the computer to restart the OS. It's just restarting it, and power to the components has been maintained the whole time so as far as the computer hardware is concerned nothing really happened, just a chunk of memory access and the processor mode getting kicked around a bit. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Funny disclaimers (Was: Re: ssh root@localhost)
On Feb 2, 2005, at 4:49 PM, Erik Norgaard wrote: Sorry to join in on the noise: =quote= This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and intended solely for the addressee; it may also be privileged. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy it. As its integrity cannot be secured on the Internet, the Company group liability cannot be triggered for the message content. Although the sender endeavours to maintain a computer virus-free network, the sender does not warrant that this transmission is virus-free and will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus transmitted. =quote= I regularly get mails with this kind of legal bable at the end, some worse threatening me with legal actions if I am not the intended receipient and do not imidiately delete the mail and forget the content. What makes me wonder is that these messages are always at the end, when you have read the secret message. If anything it will only make me alert that this could be secret, and if I am evil, ofcourse I would not delete the mail. I wonder why if the messages are so important they don't PGP or GPG them. Wouldn't that make more sense for sensitive material? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor
On Feb 5, 2005, at 3:01 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Erik Norgaard Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 11:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: favor Mike Hauber wrote: Fact is, the cats out of the bag, and I have yet to meet a cat that likes bags. :) I went on radio some years ago, now I realize that the radiowaves are about to hit alien civilizations. Too late, I understand the Queen of Golgafrinchin heard you and thinks you sound delicious, and is on it's way here for a bite. Every once in awhile I read a posting to a sysadmin list and wonder how much radiation monitors give off and how much time listserv members have spent at the keyboard... :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Electricity bill [was: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ?]
On Feb 7, 2005, at 3:34 AM, markzero wrote: * Erik Trulsson [2005-02-05 23:55 +0100] Also keep in mind that if you leave the computer running all the time it will show up on your electricity bill, so if you wish to save power you should shut down your computer over night. Given that your house needs to be warmed up (a presumption I think is correct for Sweden as you appears to be sending from; it sure does for Norway, I don't know about the OP), it does not matter where that heat comes from. If your other heating is termostatically controlled, then running your computer all night long uses no less electricity than leaving your heating on. Eventually, all those kWhs ends up as heat. You might just as well use it for something usefull in the way from electric to thermic energy, and not just send your electrons through an electric resistance for nothing (except heat-generation)! Actually, I've found that five machines, each with two disks, onboard graphics and sound, an average 700mhz P3 with a 250w power supply haven't really made a dent on my electricity bill. In the summer of last year, however, I bought an air conditioner and this added £40 (roughly $75) to my bill. I see I'm not the only one that thought of using the servers AS the heating! My basement where my Apple G5 runs, during the cold snaps we've recently had in PA, was typically ~50-55 degrees Farenheit. The computer keeping itself warm was a bonus. As for electrical use, I remember I once needed to drain an APC UPS so I hooked it up to a Christmas tree in the living room to run it down. The load meter on the front, although it's a very very rough indicator of load, had the same number of bars for the Xmas tree as it did for the old PIII with monitor and some peripherals hooked up to it... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor
On Feb 7, 2005, at 11:30 AM, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote: EK Let us make an analogue betwixt our Valerie and one who submits to the EK local newspaper. There is a roughly equal level of consent given in EK both cases ... Not so, on two points: (1) the newspaper is obviously available to anyone (it's on the newsstands), and not only to a selected group, and Not always so, I know of many newspapers that go to subscribers only (which local libraries are often among). This is especially true of places without newstands. Given that the it is rather common sense that the Internet has a long memory about things, and that this is a mailing list going out to any wazoo who subscribes, and that there are archives that are known to exist by anyone who bothers to take a few moments to look at what they're getting into by posting, and that people have been quoted and quoted and quoted so many times from the previous posts that it would be nearly impossible to purge a person's entire transcript from each and every message out there in which it's been quoted short of an EM burst that would wipe out every computers' hard drive on the planet, as well as the difficulty in getting copyright agreements to stick equally to me, you, and Ichabod in the country of Elbonia, wouldn't it make sense just to say, If you don't want it known to everyone, encrypt it...if you want people's help, post it in cleartext, and risk it forever quoting the fact that you were at some point ignorant of a subject and asking for help? I mean, how many people have even touched on the subject of copyright infringment by the fact that I am quoting two other people in this message, and this is something done CONSTANTLY with hundreds of thousands of messages out there? You give consent by letting your words fly out there. You sent it, I got it, don't want me to read it, shoulda' encrypted it or not sent it at all. c'mon...sending to a mailing list where there are little if any safeguards to restrict access kinda' should imply that you're giving consent for others to get the messages and may reproduce it. Hell, if anything, it's a safeguard. I've seen some people on Usenet that have used the Google cache to point out where someone twisted or altered quoting of their original messages so the fact that it's archived and mirrored *helped* them prove they said what they claimed. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor
On Feb 7, 2005, at 11:37 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Eric Kjeldergaard writes: EK To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the EK freebsd-questions Archives. EK EK Since we are discussing implicit contracts, I would think that the EK announcement that the collection of prior postings is linked to and EK mentioned/described to be reasonable notification that the mailing EK list gets archived. It's not. And there must be no other way of subscribing in order for this method to be valid, anyway. Why do you think that software companies and Web sites and other organizations require you to check a box to accept terms and conditions, instead of just assuming that you read and understand them when they are displayed? You mean the boilerplate like the one for the CD I just recently installed telling me what I could run their program on, only to discover that their program was nothing but a bunch of PDF files hyperlinked by an index.html page? PLEASE. These companies don't even bother reading their own license agreements anymore. They get some generic thing drafted by their lawyer (or steal someone else's) and spew it into their packaged software to cover their butts. The one I read was definitely for an application of some kind, but the content on the CD was definitely NOT an application. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!
On Feb 11, 2005, at 2:18 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Ted Mittelstaedt writes: That is so not true that it makes me almost as angry as the original debate. Maybe getting angry about a mere logo is a bad sign. Just to sum up things as I understand it... People want to change the logo from Beastie to something else because Beastie isn't professional enough, so some committers decided to hold a contest for a new logo? Out of curiosity, is Beastie so terrible, a logo, that a business would be stupid enough to base their server decisions based on it? Would you care if a business were that dumb...would you actually *want* them using it? Someone said people change logos all the time. That's flat out wrong. When a company spends mucho dinero on marketing their logo, they don't just flip around and decide to change their logo that they spent so much money and time getting mindshare with. Have any examples of logos that have constantly changed? Windows' logo isn't even a logo. It's a flag of a window pane falling apart in the breeze. I associate windows with broken glass. These things don't seem to hinder Windows from getting massive market share. Since when did FreeBSD, a project always driven by volunteers and not by commercial matters, suddenly gain a marketing department that is trying to steer FreeBSD into the business sector? Is FreeBSD starting to have marketing dictate technology instead of technology dictate marketing? Or is this all some sneaky way of saying that Beastie is too much like the Devil and this new logo contest is a way to slip out the connotative Beastie with some other more politically correct symbol, like the drive in American classrooms for Intelligent Design to be taught in science classes (It's not Creationism! It's not Creationism! It's *science*...) Just asking, since I was largely ignoring the thread but got curious after so MANY posts were made about the topic. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!
On Feb 11, 2005, at 8:53 AM, Greg Barniskis wrote: Bart Silverstrim wrote: Out of curiosity, is Beastie so terrible, a logo, that a business would be stupid enough to base their server decisions based on it? Would you care if a business were that dumb...would you actually *want* them using it? The problem (from my point of view) really has a lot more to do with having to communicate about an OS after it is selected, rather than the act of selection (which is rightly based on technical merit). I need to communicate about ongoing server operations with boards of trustees, with my immediate customers, and indirectly with their customers. I can't use Beastie in these discussions because I can't afford the time to explain the multiple inside jokes re: daemon/demon, the tennis shoes, etc., over and over and over again, and I really, really can't afford to lose a debate about FreeBSD's appropriateness. While the amusing subtleties embodied in the Beatie emblem are indeed endearing to the IT community, they are a serious *drag* when communicating to the less clueful. I suppose if my employers were that close in resemblance to the PHB in Dilbert, I'd probably just not use the logo and use some text version of the OS name. That is, if they care enough to question it. My employers don't know anything about our servers, and they don't care to know about them either, so they don't question it; just my immediate supervisor cares enough to know about the situation. Maybe as an experiment I should introduce the logo sometime to the administrative staff to see if they question it. I'm missing the part about the tennis shoes though. I didn't realize that was part of the joke...? :-) Windows' logo isn't even a logo. It's a flag of a window pane falling apart in the breeze. I associate windows with broken glass. These things don't seem to hinder Windows from getting massive market share. My board of directors never looked at the Windows logo and said What the f#$% is that!?. Argue all you like about the fact that people need to be more open and clueful, and how precious Beatie's legacy is (I agree it is), the bottom line is that some rather important people aren't very clueful, and many of them can't ever be expected to be clueful, and I don't have time to educate dozens of people every time I want to compare our organization's use of various OS flavors. So, I limit myself to indicating FreeBSD by text only, and I know that the impact of that on the decision makers is somewhat lower than if I had a stylin' graphic suitable for use in official communications like uptime graphs, scope of use, service dependencies, project activities, etc. I suppose you could always migrate to OpenBSD. I always liked the blowfish. My personal approach if stuck without a cluebat would be to just make something up just for your presentations. If you honestly think they are going to run into FreeBSD info out there on the in-tar-net, they're GOING to get exposed to the evil devil like being. And that logo, like it or not, is going to continue floating around out there. It can't be pushed aside like some dark family secret. Most clueless management have interest spans regarding technology that lasts about as long as the meeting in which they're exposed to the forbidden information. Get the McDonald's logo or get a picture of a stack of pancakes and use that for your presentation. I doubt they'd care about the difference. Why have the world bend to the will of the minority to please a couple PHBs? That's thinking like a PHB... OK, so now maybe I expect some flamage about bein' chicken, not standing up for what's right, etc. Well, horse hockey. I have a duty to my employer not to waste everyone's time with the deamon/demon discussion (over and over and over again). It would be one thing if we could do it once and get it over with, but that is clearly not the case. If it's your duty not to waste their time with daemon/demon (etc), why are you bringing it up? Oh, you mean THEY are bringing it it up. After you already explained it. So THEY're the problem, since they aren't listening and remembering. AND they're wasting your time by having you review the material again and rehash issues regarding a *logo* instead of what the meeting is supposed to be about? Just checking. Your duty should be to answer their questions and go over pertinent information for the presentation. If they want to know about it *again*, give them the info. If they keep forgetting, print up a pamphlet. There may already be stuff at the FreeBSD advocacy sites ready to print. -- Greg Barniskis, Computer Systems Integrator South Central Library System (SCLS) Library Interchange Network (LINK) gregb at scls.lib.wi.us, (608) 266-6348 You work in a library and yet they don't want to be educated. I always found that ironic. The best way to punish educated people? Make them read. I found
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!
On Feb 11, 2005, at 12:17 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Napper writes: Its been my experience that the corporate suits get the perception of teenage hacker from the cartoonish mascots. Agreed. And their perception is not always incorrect. Am I the only one that finds some amusement in the reference to corporate suits then being followed up with a comment about perception of a stereotype? :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Virus question
On Feb 11, 2005, at 1:55 PM, Karen Donathan wrote: To Whom it may concern: My name is Karen Donathan and I am a computer science teacher at George Washington High School in Charleston, WV. We run our website (http://gwhs.kana.k12.wv.us) on a FreeBSD server. This project was given to me, and I am afraid that I really should know more about how this works. My question is as follows: How can I run a virus scan on my system? What scan do you recommend? The reason I am asking this question is that our school system administrator just found that there were some files infected with Klez.h in the webroot directory of our server. He found this out as he downloaded some files from this directory to our Windows-XP school server, and Norton flagged it right away. Any suggestions? The FreeBSD server itself is immune to that virus. I'd look at the files and ask how they got there (who put them there). Second, personally I'd recommend you go into the ports tree and install ClamAV. Then you can run Clamscan and that will flag which files are infected. Then you can go through and delete them or quarantine them. -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!
On Feb 11, 2005, at 4:51 PM, Peter Risdon wrote: On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 15:56 -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote: At 8:00 AM -0500 2/11/05, Bart Silverstrim wrote: [...] Since when did FreeBSD, a project always driven by volunteers and not by commercial matters, FreeBSD is a commercially viable operating system. I happen to think it's the best server OS there is - for businesses. This thread has made it seem, sometimes, as though the touch of commerce is anathema, which is silly. As I understand it, the support of commercial organisations is vital to the project. If you want a project that pisses on its sponsors, there's always OpenBSD. I didn't say it wasn't commercially viable. What I said was that it was driven by the volunteers. Commercial support isn't being pissed on. BUT it can easily taint it when a commercial sponsor goes from *just* supporting to saying they'll support more if...and more if this...and that...oh, and you don't want that person over there on the commit list because he's not a team player. And yes, I'm overdramatizing to try to make a point. If they want to support it, that's great. But the thing I don't want to see (and I hope others don't want to see) is FreeBSD starting to have it's priorities driven by commercial interests or a group of people who want to mess with something solely because it's not their definition of politically correct. The difference between driven by volunteers and driven by commercial interests is that commercial interests will cater to the user and give them what they want. The volunteers give them what they need. What they want yields products like Windows, so hobbled by bandages and bandaids for backward compatibility and security breaches to support their ease of use mantra that it is...well...crappy for use anywhere but the desktop. What they need yields servers that are reliable and robust and minimize unscheduled downtime. suddenly gain a marketing department that is trying to steer FreeBSD into the business sector? You mean it isn't in the business sector? It's just for geeks to put on their home computers? Somebody ought to mention that to Yahoo. And let's hope nobody who is having FreeBSD pitched to them as a viable server OS for their business reads that remark as they google. Again, never said it wasn't. It was well made and it HAPPENED TO BE perfectly viable for that use. It was never a group of people who sat down and said, How can we build this OS to serve Yahoo's customers the best? Never read the remark that there's an ulterior motive behind the creation of FreeBSD, that it was aimed for businesses? My impression was that it was created to be a good server OS. Use it or don't. It doesn't need businesses to survive, but if they use it they'd be better off. It was untainted by business politics and marketing tripe. FreeBSD and Linux were examples of what happens when marketers stay OUT of the core process of delivering the project and the geeks using and developing the OS told users that if they wanted a feature, they might put it in...maybe not. Don't like it, you can do it yourself. Is this the best approach? Probably not. But it's how it came to this point. If marketing led FreeBSD's goals now, you'd have an OS that would require three times the RAM, twice the disk space, Ports would have a front end tool that's entirely GUI driven, the OS would have more services by default, and it would always install and boot to a GUI based on GNOME or KDE...because it friendlier and more marketable that way. Is FreeBSD starting to have marketing dictate technology instead of technology dictate marketing? What changes would a logo require of the underlying technology of FreeBSD? That's just rhetoric. It doesn't. The question was, is FreeBSD starting to have Some of those volunteers would like to see a new logo. Others would not. The vast majority probably do not care at all. Somehow the ones who like the present logo seem to think they can simply dismiss all comments from the other volunteers who would like a new logo, as if the work done by THOSE volunteers is somehow irrelevant. I haven't noticed anyone suggest that Beastie be banished, just that a proper logo might be appropriate now. Here's a suggestion: Beastie stays as the mascot. People use it as and when they wish, subject to conditions which are at the discretion of a private individual and not the FreeBSD project. And there's a new logo, as opposed to mascot, if the competition throws up one people like. This distinction has been being made more and more; change logo, not mascot. I think what got people's hackles in a bind was that there has been periodic discussion over changing or altering the mascot because it's too satanic. He's evil! You're debbil worshippers! This periodic infringement of religion on geek territory...the mascot that has come to represent what many people have donated significant portions
Re: My thoughts on the list as of late...
On Feb 12, 2005, at 7:19 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 4:11 AM To: FreeBSD - Questions Subject: OT: My thoughts on the list as of late... As I read *some* (mainly because there is far too much crap going in, and not enough decent content coming out) of the postings, I reflect back on my personal views on mankind as a whole. Being of a cynical nature - I tend to look at things with a there must be a reason for this influx of crapoloa in. I come up with, divide and conquer. I'm starting to see a pattern in this list. Far too many users bickering about; 1. FreeBSD vs. (insert OS here) 2. 4.xx is better then 5.xx 3. Ports are crappy compared to ... 4. Too many dependencies compared to ... 5. FreeBSD is on SORBS ... what next? Etc. etc. etc. I suppose this could be just one big pissing contest, then again (being cynical) I tend to think it's a select group of users that are set out to divide and conquer. Keep the list in termoil, keep them bashing whom or whatever, keep them distracted from the real goals - so that when potential users want to investigate *BSD, they see the turmoil going on within the *BSD lists. Could that be a turn off to the potential new-comer? Very possible. Am I on target with this cynical point of view? Probably not however, ask yourself after reading a few weeks of the garbage that seeps into this list then pose that question again. I suppose it is all just coincidence that the list has become messy over the last few months. But is seems to me that it has increased more so since the posting on the FreeBSD site relating to the Deep Study. Again, I'm not pointing fingers. Nor am I creating an innuendo. I'm simply drawing conclusions based on my view points and I thought I might share them in hopes that perhaps some of us will not respond to what I think are baiting posts. Good thoughts - now, I have to ask the obligatory Is there a question somewhere here before someone else does. You do realize that without asking one, you are participating in the non-question-based discussion you are trying to argue against, right? Here's a question...could it not be the byproduct of the same growth in signal-to-noise that has been rising ever since the Internet became popular among the non-academic crowd? As more Joe Normals join up to this Internet phenomena thing, there is an expected growth in all these lists not being used purely as they were meant to be used? At a hundred posts a day, there are many many threads I skip or delete without reading. If the subject doesn't show something that I may be able to glean some information from or contribute something to...*blip*...gone. People complaining about the noise might want to hit delete more often. Then again, that's what I used to say ten years ago about SPAM... -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
On Feb 12, 2005, at 5:30 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Michael C. Shultz writes: I Agree! My FreeBSD desktop is very stable and user friendly. What ever time I spend fixing/managing desktops is on my friends windows machines, never my own because it always just works. Maybe you can explain to me how to get the following applications to run on a FreeBSD desktop: Adobe Photoshop Adobe Illustrator Quark XPress The Sims 2 snip I never quite liked these arguments. The question to ask is, What can I use for graphics editing on platform X? What can I use for desktop publishing on platform Y?. Otherwise, it's like saying, Explain how I can get a Ford from Chevrolet? Not everyone absolutely needs Photoshop to edit their family Xmas digicam pictures. -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
On Feb 12, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Vonleigh Simmons writes: Rat Bastards at FreeBSD that don't break into the companies, steal the code, and port their apps. I don't understand this comment. I can go months without rebooting. My NT machine has gone for nearly a year without a reboot. *looks up your IP* My IP won't tell you what uptime I have on my systems, although Netcraft can tell you how long the production server has been running (but I can save you the trouble: I booted it 26 hours and 50 minutes ago, because I had thought that I had soft updates turned off). Um...methinks he was referring to finding your IP to crack your system since you just announced you don't update it... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
On Feb 12, 2005, at 4:05 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Bart Silverstrim writes: I never quite liked these arguments. The question to ask is, What can I use for graphics editing on platform X? What can I use for desktop publishing on platform Y?. Not in this case, because many of these applications must produce files that I can share with others, and/or they must work with legacy files that I've collected myself, and/or they must read files provided to me by others. So equivalent functionality isn't good enough: it has to be the same application. Thank you for supporting vendor lock-in. At any rate, what you're essentially saying is that you want to run a particular application so no matter what happens this is what you must have and use. Do don't even bother asking people who will suggest alternatives, because it's not what you want to hear. Use what you're going to use. *shrug* ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
On Feb 12, 2005, at 4:20 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Bart Silverstrim writes: Thank you for supporting vendor lock-in. Recognizing, not supporting. Every $ spent on a product is another $ supporting it. Do don't even bother asking people who will suggest alternatives, because it's not what you want to hear. It's not a matter of what I want or don't want. I don't have any choice. That's business. Rarely. You have no choice but to play Sims 2, eh? Business...some people find alternatives that can read more than one format. http://news.com.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html?tag=lh But like I said...you don't want to seek a change, so you wouldn't even want to look for an alternative. Maybe not everyone out there looking for information is in your position, so I'd rather let them find this post with some hope of finding something that may suit their needs rather than your postings of FreeBSD can't run insert favorite Windows-only application here, so don't even bother trying... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X on a server Re: Freebsd vs. linux
On Feb 13, 2005, at 4:14 PM, Ean Kingston wrote: On February 13, 2005 03:53 am, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: You can install the X libraries and client apps on your server -- this works fine at secure level 3 and does not require kernel configurations changes or special daemons or anything. What it allows you to do is then link software against the X libraries and then redirect the display to your workstations X server. This meets your criteria and can be handy for certain things. Your apps still run in userland only and there is no HW touching stuff. You are not running the X Server on your FBSD Server machine. I'll consider it, although it still sounds complicated. What do I gain from X that I don't already have with remote terminal sessions like those created with SecureCRT? I know it looks pretty, but what server-related things can I do with X that I cannot do with ordinary terminals? I'm not aware of anything right now; it seems that everything can be done from a command line (thank goodness--working with Windows is a nightmare precisely _because_ so many things cannot be done from a command line). I run an XLoad app on every server with the display on my desktop (set to update once a minute. It lets me keep an eye on the general health of the servers during the day. Asside from that I haven't found a truely useful GUI app for servers. I don't know if this counts at all (especially since it's not FBSD), and I'm loathe to say positive things about NetWare, but I remember reading their Snakes screensaver was actually a load meter...the bigger the load on the server, the longer the tales on the snakes and the faster they moved on the screen. -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo contest?!
On Feb 14, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Martin Ibert wrote: Hi, I'm at a loss about whom to contact, since the PR slot on the contacts page only says seat open. So I tried questions. I've read on slashdot that you entertain the notion of running a FreeBSD logo contest. As a long-time user of FreeBSD, both professionally and privately, I seriously question the wisdom of doing so. For us old-timers in the IT field, the Beastie logo has always been a reassuring point of reference. BSD code has been renowned for being rock-solid, brilliantly engineered, and all that has been symbolized by the daemon logo. But alas! All your sibling projects that I am aware of have chickened out and chosen some other imagery as their logo (NetBSD, the faceless banner; OpenBSD, the fat fish; Dragonfly, what choice did they have?). You are the last one standing, the carrier of the flag. Please, don't chicken out like the others. Carry Chuck, the Beastie, forward into the new millennium, as a reassuring presence that excellence in coding is still alive and kicking (or be it with sneakers). Dude, here's a can of worms. Do with it what you will. -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Freebsd vs. linux
On Feb 14, 2005, at 7:43 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Eric Kjeldergaard writes: Well, no that's not entirely true...First off, there's the claim by Windows itself that it's not drivers. The OS itself never identifies problems as being within the drivers. Driver code is assimilated with the kernel while it is running. You've read the code (as you say) and know that Windows wouldn't possibly lie about the fact that it's not the drivers. Sure it would. Most error messages are generic; few programmers are conscientious enough to put in extremely detailed and specific error messages. And in some cases the OS doesn't really know what happened, especially for faults in the kernel (or the drivers, which are assimilated with the kernel, as I've said). And then there's the thing where since one is including drivers along with an operating system, they are part of the operating system even if they were written by a third party. They are not part of the operating system. You spend a lot of time arguing...Let's look at it this way. It's not part of the OS! Fine. Will MS let me buy just the kernel? Didn't think so. It's all or nothing. While that's the technical way of looking at it (not part of the OS) they ARE part of the distribution, and for practicality's sake, and for the definition of any reasonable person, they ARE part of the OS. If it comes with the average CD installation, it's part of the OS. I don't hunt the @#$$% driver down, I don't run a separate installer, I don't jump through hoops to install it, the OS detects the device and installs the driver then for all purposes of the rest of the sane Earth it's part of the OS. Why? I bought Windows, I installed it, and it installed the [EMAIL PROTECTED] driver without intervention. Extend it a little more, even MS argued that Internet Explorer was part of the operating system and could not be unbundled. For their product definition, it was part of the OS. Technically, it was not. Practically, it was. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Freebsd vs. linux
On Feb 15, 2005, at 12:40 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Microsoft doesn't understand servers very well. Most people at Microsoft grew up using microcomputers, and that's all they know (sound familiar?). They truly have no idea of some of the constraints that apply to the server world. As a result, they don't build ideal server software. The closest they've come has been with the early versions of Windows NT, which had a very solid kernel. They were an outside team that worked on VMS. They started NT before Windows became a marketing drone's dream. The Windows subsystem became the default subsystem after Windows 3.x took off. Originally it wasn't going to have a GUI. A GUI always detracts from a server's function. Nobody is sitting in front of a server, Three of ours are sitting right behind me. That has never been an objective of Microsoft. Their servers have elaborate GUIs because the operating systems come from the desktop world, and won't function without a GUI. They have GUIs because they thought it was easier to market. They have GUIs because they're easier for novices to use as servers. They have GUIs because MS started trying to market servers to the workgroup and not corporate markets. They have GUIs because NT was a new kid on the block, people were familiar with Windows, and they were able to help marketing-wise slip some sales in because it was a lower learning curve. They have GUIs because believe it or not, sometimes you don't need the strict definition of a Server in order to serve files to a couple other computers in your home network and that Server can, in fact, do double duty. One of the most serious criticisms made of Windows in the server world is that you cannot run a Windows server without a GUI, and remote administration is an unbelievably awkward nightmare. That's two criticisms, and at this point, I really think most people don't give a rat's behind about the GUI in a server, since the OS should be paging out unused pages to swap if the server settles down. Remote administration sucks, yes I'd agree. You have to jump through hoops to find decent tools for reigning in Windows in many situations. Apple is smart enough to pull it off ... Apple has no advantage over Microsoft in this respect. They are locking their own OS into a GUI, too. But they probably realize that their future is in desktops, not servers. That surely explains their sales of XServes and RAID servers. Don't want the GUI, then install Darwin. Want GUI and remote admin/monitoring tools, use OS X Server. Don't log into it, and it'll swap out most of the GUI stuff to disk. ... but all Microsoft has done is continue to guarantee employment for MSCE's who continue to exclusively recommend any and everything Microsoft who in turn continually ensures these champions stay employed. As I've said, Microsoft doesn't care about employment of MCSEs. They most certainly profit from MCSEs. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anthony
On Feb 15, 2005, at 7:56 AM, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: On 15 Feb Timothy Smith wrote: Stijn Hoop wrote: On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 02:34:24AM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: MSIE has traditionally followed HTML standards more closely than almost any other browser. Firefox does pretty well, tough; Opera much less so. Thank you for giving me another reason to killfile you again, after you resurfaced without your vanity domain. You clearly don't know jack about the things you write. Maybe you could write some code instead of exploding the lists with drivel. *plonk* hah well said sir I think most of the time Anthony *does* know what he writes about but does not care enough to be honoust about *all* the facts. In Holland we also had a person like him -silent for quite some time now- polluting a list with propaganda and twisted truths about windows/linux things. Discussion will *never* silence such a person, nor will polite questions do the trick. They feed on response. The only way we got rid of this person was to *totally* ignore everything he wrote about. *Everything*! It took quite a while before everybody understood this to be the way to go. As long as people keep on responding, Anthony's will florish.. The problem with that is that the propaganda will be picked up by Google caches and the like; people that know enough to search for answers and and starting out trying to learn the ropes start finding the drivel and lies and if no one responds, by nature, people tend to believe the crap. No one offered a counter to it :-/ These events also show the personality of the cult in which new people are starting to dip their toes into. I can't count the number of people I've read accounts from saying that they were turned off to Linux a couple of times simply because the help was to go to IRC or newsgroups, and the people there were childish monsters. Here is a list forum that has attracted people with FreeBSD questions (technical questions, general questions...I see it listed on the reply as just questions and not tech-questions) and some of these side discussions are now being met with listmoms demanding it be moved to -discussion (if it's supposed to be strict, wouldn't this forum be to ask questions and discussion be to get answers?). If the list starts getting really negative, other people will be turned off to it. (All this talk about logo/mascot contests...why would people WANT to get involved for marketing it if the people that usually help new people or people having trouble turn sour at others when they could opt just to ignore it?). Sometimes the discussion DOES still help people. One person commented that they thought the Ernie Ball story was interesting. I had assumed people involved in using OSS or have to market it to their bosses would have found that information years ago already. Eventually people probably will get so sick of it they just stop replying. As I said early on to Anthony, he didn't hear what he wants to hear, so there's no point in answering him. Sorry, no photoshop for FreeBSD, and if that's the only kind of criticism you have, there's nothing we can do about it. Go away then. But he continued to post about things that can mislead other people. Yes, I'm guilty of feeding him too at the moment...I've worked hard at learning FreeBSD and Linux, and when people rip at it with information that is inaccurate, I don't want others to find that and think it's gospel truth. It's just an OS but I've wasted a good portion of my life trying to learn the ropes of it and introducing it to my workplace, and I know what it's like to run into people with these kind of attitudes and I know that I've personally found ways that for me (and for what the majority of other people do) there *are* workarounds and alternatives available to them. Anthony comes off as the type of person that already has his mind set and what he's hoping to accomplish here I don't know... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Freebsd vs. linux
On Feb 15, 2005, at 12:40 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Bart Silverstrim writes: It's not part of the OS! Fine. Will MS let me buy just the kernel? No, but you don't have to buy or install most of the drivers. If you run with only required default drivers, the system will be stable. Let's pretend I'm working on a system for the good old days, see if that will help make sense for a minute... *THE ISSUE BEING ADDRESSED HERE WAS THE DRIVERS INCLUDED WITH THE OS ARE CONSIDERED PART OF THE OS. IF THE DRIVERS ARE THIRD PARTY BUT INCLUDED ON THE DEFAULT, AS-PURCHASED CD, 99% OF SANE PEOPLE OUT THERE IN THE REAL WORLD CONSIDER IT PART OF THE OS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO GO OUT AND JUMP THROUGH HOOPS TO INSTALL IT. THE OS DETECTED THE DEVICE AND INSTALLED THE DRIVER, THIRD PARTY OR NOT, BECAUSE IT WAS WITH THEIR CD. AS I RECALL BUT THE QUOTE HAS BEEN SNIPPED, SOMEONE SAID THEY HAD BEEN RUNNING THE DEFAULT DRIVERS AND THE DRIVER WAS CRAP SO THE OS STILL CRASHED. WITH A DEFAULT, INCLUDED, DETECTED AND OS-INSTALLED DRIVER.* Extend it a little more, even MS argued that Internet Explorer was part of the operating system and could not be unbundled. For their product definition, it was part of the OS. Technically, it was not. Practically, it was. They tried very hard to make it part of the OS, which was a serious mistake, but they were very taken with the whole idea of web-everything at the time. That *DOESN'T MATTER*. The fact is they did it. Of course it was a bloody mistake. The fact is they marketed and in court testified that it was PART OF the OS. For all practical purposes, they bundled it as part of the OS. Technically speaking it isn't. I don't CARE what the justification is. They did it. End of story. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Freebsd vs. linux
On Feb 15, 2005, at 12:48 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Bart Silverstrim writes: They were an outside team that worked on VMS. They started NT before Windows became a marketing drone's dream. The Windows subsystem became the default subsystem after Windows 3.x took off. Originally it wasn't going to have a GUI. Oh well ... it's a bit late to dream about what could have been. As I recall, this is what caused Microsoft and IBM to part ways. IBM was to collaborate on the NT project. But IBM wanted a CLI, like DOS or OS/2, whereas Microsoft insisted that a GUI was the wave of the future on the desktop. As it turned out, Microsoft was right. Um, no. OS/2 had the Presentation Manager layer on it for the GUI. They parted ways because MS was working on the Windows-centric version of NT behind IBM's back, realizing they had a new cash cow out of Windows 3.x. IBM was schnookered hook, line and sinker, and realized it only after MS was presenting more and more updates to their project with Windows API's instead of OS/2. MS wanted to split from Big Blue because of cultural differences and MS wanted independence from IBM, knowing full well that that dependence on OS/2 would be a hindrance to their market engine. Read ShowStopper!. It's an excellent history of the background of NT (and Cutler). You can also read the Why I Hate Microsoft rant posted at http://www.euronet.nl/users/frankvw/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html . I find it an excellent read for the history in it. (And do NOT turn this into a OS-bashing thread. I am posting this because it has history in it and was well written with history and footnotes. So everyone stick to the facts and do NOT start the bashing crap). The GUI still requires destabilizing code in the kernel. It still takes up space and resources. I'll agree there. And, worst of all, on a GUI-oriented server like Windows, you cannot administer the machine without using the GUI. True to a point. Just because you have a GUI as the primary interface it doesn't mean that the OS *must* have crappy administration tools. It is just the tendency because of the low variety of popular server OS's out there. The Mac is primarily GUI driven for it's audience and uses a primarily GUI paradigm, but CLI admin tools are very much available (and many of the Apple GUI tools act as front ends to the CLI tools). It's a question of design. Xserves, etc. They're off the radar for servers. The only people who install Apple servers are people who are already in love with Apple desktops. They're kind of the inverse of people who fall in love with server operating systems and then insist on forcing them onto the desktop as well. Wrong-o. Xserves are wonderful for people that want integration of OS and hardware while at the same time are familiar with UNIX. Yes, there's a lot of point and click, but 90% of their tools are mirrored in CLI tools as well. Do more reading on how OS X works. Don't want the GUI, then install Darwin. Want GUI and remote admin/monitoring tools, use OS X Server. Don't log into it, and it'll swap out most of the GUI stuff to disk. Why not just install FreeBSD? Because we were discussing at that particular point Apple, their GUI, their OS. OS X = Darwin + Aqua. Don't need the proprietary layer, then strip out Aqua/Finder/Apple tools, you've got Darwin. If you want to install something else, be my guest. I personally don't care what you're running, I was just pointing out if you want Apple stuff and want to keep parity with OS X without their tools, use Darwin. They most certainly profit from MCSEs. Yes, by training and certifying them. But after that, they're on their own, and out of Microsoft's revenue stream. Then once again, they profit from them and continue to profit by their recertification. They are human advertisements, they are MS evangelists by proxy, they reinforce market position, and they are brainwashed into MS-centric solutions for everything thus encouraging more purchases by the companies they work for/in from MS. SO that would mean MS profits from them and their existence and their having to get re-certified for their new OS's periodically. End of story. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Freebsd vs. linux
On Feb 16, 2005, at 12:22 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Bart Silverstrim writes: Um, no. OS/2 had the Presentation Manager layer on it for the GUI. Presentation Manager was an afterthought, once they realized how far they had gone astray. anthony: But IBM wanted a CLI, like DOS or OS/2, whereas Microsoft insisted that a GUI was the wave of the future on the desktop. As it turned out, Microsoft was right. They added a GUI on OS/2 when machines could start handling a GUI without knuckling under. Point is, OS/2 was graphical, and PM was out before Program Manager on NT. Because we were discussing at that particular point Apple, their GUI, their OS. OS X = Darwin + Aqua. Let's return to discussion of FreeBSD, then. Fine, then it's agreed that Apple's OS isn't necessarily married to the GUI, just as FreeBSD isn't married to X. If you want their tools, however, you take the good with the bad. Otherwise get handy with the command line on Darwin. Then once again, they profit from them and continue to profit by their recertification. If they bother to recertify. Irrelevant. They (MS) still profit in every other way I mentioned. And if these are corporate techs that survive in the world of certs by having as many acronyms as possible on their resume', they recertify. They are human advertisements, they are MS evangelists by proxy, they reinforce market position, and they are brainwashed into MS-centric solutions for everything thus encouraging more purchases by the companies they work for/in from MS. They are not brainwashed by MS. They were that way long before they became MCSEs, otherwise they would not have become MCSEs. I made the mistake of taking a swipe at the popularity of the cert programs out there. Any cert test it seems (except maybe A+) is aimed at pushing the product you cert on. I thought you'd catch what I was implying. And you're over-categorizing. Many people get MCSE because their boss or business requires it or pays for it along the way, not because they want to use Windows as a solution for everything short of running their expresso machine. How many BSD admins have a cert around somewhere? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the easiest way to do a backup and verify?
On Mar 7, 2005, at 10:05 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Jerry McAllister writes: The only real thing you can do is to read back the tape and look for a couple of files with fairly high inode numbers for each file system dumped.If you can read them, you can assume the tape is readable. I'm surprised there isn't just some way of reading the tape and doing a few simple sanity checks on the data (without comparing it to anything). A drive or tape error would likely show on such checks. The only way I've found to fully verify it is to get an identical server and actually do a full restore and test :-( When it comes to backups, you can't be sure until you're actually under the gun to get the system back up and running. Although it is easier when you're just backing up data files instead of bare-metal system state. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
postfix on FreeBSD
I'm trying to set up postfix to reject messages to two specific usernames on our domains. The FreeBSD server is taking the messages, checking them for spam and viruses, then forwarding them on to our internal mail server. In the /usr/local/etc/postfix/main.cf file, I added the line: smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_recipient_access hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/access I then added to the file /usr/local/etc/postfix/access: username1@ REJECT username2@ REJECT I then ran the commands postmap /usr/local/etc/postfix/access postfix stop postfix start Then using tail -f /var/log/maillog, I got the error: Mar 9 10:28:16 myserver postfix/postfix-script: stopping the Postfix mail system Mar 9 10:28:16 myserver postfix/master[66263]: terminating on signal 15 Mar 9 10:28:17 myserver postfix/postfix-script: starting the Postfix mail system Mar 9 10:28:17 myserver postfix/master[73766]: daemon started -- version 2.1.5 Mar 9 10:28:48 myserver postfix/smtpd[73796]: fatal: parameter smtpd_recipient_restrictions: specify at least one working instance of: check_relay_domains, reject_unauth_destination, reject, defer or defer_if_permit Mar 9 10:28:49 myserver postfix/master[73766]: warning: process /usr/local/libexec/postfix/smtpd pid 73796 exit status 1 Mar 9 10:28:49 myserver postfix/master[73766]: warning: /usr/local/libexec/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling I put in a hash mark for the smtpd_ line in main.cf and ran another postfix stop and start to get mail working again, but what am I doing wrong with the file? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: postfix on FreeBSD
On Mar 9, 2005, at 10:56 AM, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:43:05 AM -0500 Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I then ran the commands postmap /usr/local/etc/postfix/access Should be: postmap hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/access man (1) postmap I was running the command as was outlined in the access file...from that file, it says: #/usr/local/etc/postfix/main.cf: #smtpd_client_restrictions = #check_client_access hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/access # #/usr/local/etc/postfix/access: #1.2.3 REJECT #1.2.3.4 OK # #Execute the command postmap /usr/local/etc/postfix/access after #editing the file. I think I know what was happening...the main.cf file didn't have the smtpd_recipient_restrictions directive in it, and postfix used reasonable defaults. When I set smtpd_recipient_restrictions, it overrode the defaults, and was complaining because it wanted some reasonable settings placed in there along with my customized settings. So my actual line to put in would be something like, smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_recipient_access hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/access, permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination in main.cf, correct? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: postfix on FreeBSD
On Mar 9, 2005, at 11:26 AM, Jim Trigg wrote: On Wed, March 9, 2005 10:43 am, Bart Silverstrim said: In the /usr/local/etc/postfix/main.cf file, I added the line: smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_recipient_access hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/access Then using tail -f /var/log/maillog, I got the error: Mar 9 10:28:48 myserver postfix/smtpd[73796]: fatal: parameter smtpd_recipient_restrictions: specify at least one working instance of: check_relay_domains, reject_unauth_destination, reject, defer or defer_if_permit I put in a hash mark for the smtpd_ line in main.cf and ran another postfix stop and start to get mail working again, but what am I doing wrong with the file? Read the error message - currently you are configured to accept *any* message presented except those going to the specified users. That includes spam intended for completely unrelated domains. I would recommend using the following as a *bare* minimum: smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination, check_recipient_access hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/access I would also recommend looking at http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html and http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt -- they will help you understand what should be in your smtpd_*_restrictions. I saw the errors and googled for it, but it just led to the man pages and site web pages for the postfix project (which I read); what was throwing me was the fact that it wasn't an open relay before and it didn't have the directive previously. I think it was using reasonable defaults before and my adding that line to my main.cf overrode them causing it to burp the error messages. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to deal with spam for good?
On Mar 9, 2005, at 11:54 PM, Mike Hauber wrote: On Wednesday 09 March 2005 10:53 pm, Luciano Musacchio wrote: Hi, I'm wondering, how does this mailing list doesn't get any spam? :), I need to set some filter on my mail server, can some one here give me a hint on this? thanks heh... I'm working on that right now, actually... :) There are so many options and combinations out there, it wouldn't be worth it to list them. From my experience (somewhat limited)... If you're running sendmail on FreeBSD, then SpamAssassin and clamav running thorugh MIMEDefang is probably the best way to go (MIMEDegang is pretty cool and it simplifies the whole process... and it supports a lot of other stuff too) At the moment we're running FreeBSD 4.x with postfix, clamav, and spamassassin via amavisd-new; after processing the message is injected into another postfix queue where it's forwarded to an internal mail server. Is there an easy way to plug mimedefang into that kind of setup? Is there a nice howto on the subject? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to deal with spam for good?
On Mar 11, 2005, at 1:34 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony Atkielski Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:25 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to deal with spam for good? There's no fundamental, objectively verifiable difference between spam and any other e-mail, Actually, there is. Spam is what I object to. Non-spam is what I don't object to. Isn't he referring to the technical side, as in an easy algorithm for a computer to examine it and say Spam! and get rid of it vs. someone sending a relative an email about their experiences using v1agra? so no automated or technical solution will ever work completely. It would if my computer could understand what I'm telling it better. ;-) Ever read I, Robot? I embrace our technological overlords... :-) Seriously, filters that are customized to the individual are very effective. The problem is getting the average person on the street to put in the time to write a customized e-mail filter for themselves. Yup...good luck with that one. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to deal with spam for good?
On Mar 11, 2005, at 1:37 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kirk Strauser Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 11:42 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to deal with spam for good? You know, I'm no longer sure that's true. I think that spam will stick around as long as stupid business owners continue to get suckered into thinking that it's a legitimate means of marketing. One of my associate's customers (a brick and mortar store) was being sweet-talked by a spammer into sending a series of broadcasts. In this situation, the spammer would profit off the ignorance of that *business owner*. Even if 100% of the messages were blocked, he'd still get his pay for performing the service. Didn't anyone tell your associate's customers that spamming is now a felony? And, even if they hire a spammer to do it for them, the law still prosecutes them for the spamming? Add some teeth to that law and some lawyers who are willing to pursue this in volume, and you'd be on to something. As it stands, it's like prosecuting jaywalkers. Who bothers? Even junk faxer's get away with that kind of crap despite the fines (happened to catch Tom Martino on the radio yesterday talking about it...) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Clock slew vulnerability in FreeBSD?
On Mar 10, 2005, at 10:44 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Kris Kennaway writes: Isn't this a non-problem if you use ntpd? Unfortunately, no, because the TCP stacks on most systems don't use the disciplined clock provided by NTP for the timestamps. Instead they use a clock based directly on the RTC, which reveals a characteristic skew that is unique to each machine. If the stacks used the NTP-disciplined actual time of day, plus perhaps a randomizing factor to avoid revealing patterns, this technique would become useless. Wouldn't the skew resolution necessary for this tracking technique become useless with temperature variations, humidity, etc. that can affect most systems over the course of the day/week/year? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
