[scifinoir2] Smith Angered over Hitler Remark
Statements like this almost always get you in trouble, no matter what you intend. Whenever you say that an evil person didn't set out to do evil, it's bound to cause issues. I'm not sure what the exact quote from Smith is, as he obviously seems to think he was misquoted... *** http://www.examiner.com/a-1122731~Will_Smith_Angered_by_Misinterpretation.html LOS ANGELES (Map, News) - Will Smith is angry over celebrity gossip Web site articles that he said misinterpreted a recent remark he made in a Scottish newspaper about Adolf Hitler. In a story published Saturday in the Daily Record, Smith was quoted saying: Even Hitler didn't wake up going, 'let me do the most evil thing I can do today.' I think he woke up in the morning and using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was 'good.' The quote was preceded by the writer's observation: Remarkably, Will believes everyone is basically good. Over the weekend, dozens of celebrity gossip Web sites posted articles about the comment, many saying that Smith believed that Hitler was a good person. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Smith Angered over Hitler Remark
i hear you, i feel for celebs and the fishbowls in which they live. Then there are the ones who *seek* the press, yet bemoan their treatment. okay, so what did you say (or do) after this fire?! -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know that, in H'Wood, microphones are stuck in celebs' faces with annoying regularity, leaving them with no option but to say something. As we all know, too often, this evokes off-the-cuff responses that can be translated in a myriad of ways. Mind you, I'm not saying that Smith actually said anything to this effect, or defending the fact that he said it. Myself, I've only had one mike stuck in my face in my life, that at one of the worst possible moments of my life (as I watched my apartment burning). What I said was easily translatable and, had there not been two large members of DeKalb County's Finest on hand at the moment, would've resulted in a long term of incarceration for yours truly. IMO, the best thing to do in that sitch, not readily available for celebs like Smith, is to push the mike away and walk on. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Statements like this almost always get you in trouble, no matter what you intend. Whenever you say that an evil person didn't set out to do evil, it's bound to cause issues. I'm not sure what the exact quote from Smith is, as he obviously seems to think he was misquoted... *** http://www.examiner.com/a-1122731~Will_Smith_Angered_by_Misinterpretation.html LOS ANGELES (Map, News) - Will Smith is angry over celebrity gossip Web site articles that he said misinterpreted a recent remark he made in a Scottish newspaper about Adolf Hitler. In a story published Saturday in the Daily Record, Smith was quoted saying: Even Hitler didn't wake up going, 'let me do the most evil thing I can do today.' I think he woke up in the morning and using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was 'good.' The quote was preceded by the writer's observation: Remarkably, Will believes everyone is basically good. Over the weekend, dozens of celebrity gossip Web sites posted articles about the comment, many saying that Smith believed that Hitler was a good person. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] OT: Studies Show Dyslexics Make Great Entrepreneurs
Dyslexia forces you to look at things in totality and not just as a single chess move. I play out the whole scenario in my mind and then work through it. All of my life, I've built organizations with a broad perspective in mind. -- John Chambers, CEO, Cisco Systems This is a fascinating article, one of the best concepts i've encountered all year. Apparently the percentage of successful business leaders and entrepreneurs that have dyslexia (estimated at 35 %) is higher than the percentage of Americans who have it (said to be around 15%). while i can't verify the ratio of these numbers yet, the concept is amazing. These people who have the most difficult time reading basic sentences or directions, who later in life deal with increasing difficulty at keeping things sorted and organized in their minds, succeed at a very high rate. As the article says, this can be attributed to many things, such as learning to study carefully and work harder to pull out important facts, knowing what things aren't important to focus on at a given moment, dealing with frustration and failure (the old try, try again mentality), and most importantly, learning to embrace others who might have skillsets to complement one's weaknesses. Charles Schwab, Sir Richard Br anson, Chambers--all the dyslexics who've succeeded in business say they learned long ago to listen to other peoples' opinions, to delegate tasks. One guy said, when you have to learn to accept help from someone in just learning how to read, you learn to listen to people in your company and embrace their ideas without your ego getting in the way. Something to be learned here in for those of us who are for the most part hale and healthy in mind and body... *** http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/dec2007/db20071212_539295.htm Why Dyslexics Make Great Entrepreneurs The ability to grasp the big picture, persistence, and creativity are a few of the entrepreneurial traits of many dyslexics. Just ask Charles Schwab by Gabrielle Coppola When Alan Meckler, the CEO of IT and online imagery hub Jupitermedia (JUPM), was accepted to Columbia University in 1965, the dean's office told him he had some of the lowest college boards of any student ever admitted. I got a 405 or 410 in English, he recalls. In those days you got a 400 just for putting your name down! Yet I was on the dean's list every year I was there, and I won a prize for having the best essay in American history my senior year. It wasn't until years later, at age 58, that Meckler learned he was dyslexic. He struggles with walking and driving directions, and interpreting charts and graphs. He prefers to listen to someone explain a problem to him, rather than sit down and read 20 pages describing it. As a youth, Meckler discovered a unique strengthbaseballand cultivated it religiously to compensate for weakness in other areas. Asset or Handicap? All of these things, according to Dr. Sally Shaywitz, a professor of learning development at Yale University, are classic signs of dyslexia. Shaywitz has long argued that dyslexia should be evaluated as an asset, not just a handicap. She recently co-founded the Yale Center for Dyslexia Creativity, dedicated to studying the link between the two. I want people to wish they were dyslexic, she says. There are many positive attributes that can't be taught that people are generally not aware of. We always write about how we're losing human capitaldyslexics are not able to achieve their potential because they've had to go around the system. It's not clear whether dyslexics develop their special talents by learning to negotiate their disability or whether such skills are the genetic inheritance of being dyslexic. It's a question Shaywitz plans to explore, along with trying to change the way dyslexia is viewed in the educational system and the business world. One project at the center will be an education series to train executives to recognize outside-the-box thinkers who don't perform well on standardized tests. Shaywitz recently tested a well-known CEO (whom she declined to identify) for dyslexia. The man confessed that he'd hired an outside company to help identify future leaders within the organization by administering a reading test. 'The irony is,' I told him, 'you're eliminating and sifting out all the people like yourself who might actually be the ones to be creative and make a difference.' Coping Skills That kind of rejection, along with a penchant for creativity, may help explain why so many dyslexics are inclined to become entrepreneurs. Julie Logan, a professor of entrepreneurship at Cass Business School in London, believes strongly in the connection. In a study to be published in January, Logan found that 35% of entrepreneurs in the U.S. show signs of dyslexia, compared to 20% in Britain. Logan attributes the gap to a more flexible education system
[scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(
I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making National Treasure 2 the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go. Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and Voight (just show me the money!!). Not fun or clever or engaging at all. Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing against low brow humour (saw Knocked Up recently and loved it) or mindless action flicks. Im the guy who will watch The Warriors every single time it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And Face Off? Pure cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go boom!. Love that flick. But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr! Please tell me none of you watched it? National Treasure sleighs Christmas box office Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel National Treasure: Book of Secrets raced to $65 million during its first five days of release across North America, distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday. The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued on Wednesday. Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17 international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the 2004 smash National Treasure stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's assassination. Will Smith's sci-fi thriller I Am Legend was No. 2 with five-day sales of $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros. Pictures. Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit Alvin and the Chipmunks, saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas Day sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million. The fact-based political comedy Charlie Wilson's War earned $14.75 million, and the Johnny Depp musical Sweeney Todd $12.75 million, both after five days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks Pictures, warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses. The box office jury is still out on Charlie Wilson, a high-profile vehicle starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as many theaters as Sweeney Todd, which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner Bros. Further down the rankings, P.S. I Love You had earned $9.1 million in its first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it hoped more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now that Christmas-related chores are behind them. The musical spoof Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story reported a four-day haul of $4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas Day estimate for the box office disappointment. Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because they will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel Alien vs. Predator: Requiem, the Denzel Washington drama The Great Debaters, and the family fantasy The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep. Walt Disney Pictures is a unit of Walt Disney Co. Warner Bros. is a unit of Time Warner Inc. Twentieth Century Fox is a unit of News Corp. Universal Pictures, a unit of General Electric Co's NBC Universal. DreamWorks Pictures is a unit of Viacom Inc. Columbia Pictures is a unit of Sony Corp. (Reporting by Dean Goodman; Editing by Stuart Grudgings) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(
oh, speaking of certain low brow movies i do like-- Bad Santa. Don't forget Bad Santa. I laugh so hard everytime i see that crude movie, i almost bust a gut. My wife is horrified at how i can find humour in Billy Bob Thornton's portrayal of a crooked, soused Santa who curses at an innocent kid while taking advantage of him, but I just love that movie. Then she just says oh, you love 'Monty Python' too. I worry about you sometimes. I'd take Bad Santa over National Treasure any day! -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keith Johnson) I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making National Treasure 2 the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go. Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and Voight (just show me the money!!). Not fun or clever or engaging at all. Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing against low brow humour (saw Knocked Up recently and loved it) or mindless action flicks. Im the guy who will watch The Warriors every single time it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And Face Off? Pure cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go boom!. Love that flick. But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr! Please tell me none of you watched it? National Treasure sleighs Christmas box office Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel National Treasure: Book of Secrets raced to $65 million during its first five days of release across North America, distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday. The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued on Wednesday. Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17 international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the 2004 smash National Treasure stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's assassination. Will Smith's sci-fi thriller I Am Legend was No. 2 with five-day sales of $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros. Pictures. Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit Alvin and the Chipmunks, saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas Day sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million. The fact-based political comedy Charlie Wilson's War earned $14.75 million, and the Johnny Depp musical Sweeney Todd $12.75 million, both after five days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks Pictures, warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses. The box office jury is still out on Charlie Wilson, a high-profile vehicle starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as many theaters as Sweeney Todd, which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner Bros. Further down the rankings, P.S. I Love You had earned $9.1 million in its first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it hoped more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now that Christmas-related chores are behind them. The musical spoof Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story reported a four-day haul of $4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas Day estimate for the box office disappointment. Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because they will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel Alien vs. Predator: Requiem, the Denzel Washington drama The Great Debaters, and the family fantasy The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep. Walt Disney Pictures is a unit of Walt Disney Co. Warner Bros. is a unit of Time Warner Inc. Twentieth Century Fox is a unit of News Corp. Universal Pictures, a unit of General Electric Co's NBC Universal. DreamWorks Pictures is a unit of Viacom Inc. Columbia Pictures is a unit of Sony Corp. (Reporting by Dean Goodman; Editing by Stuart Grudgings) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(
:) -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my milieu! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making National Treasure 2 the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go. Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and Voight (just show me the money!!). Not fun or clever or engaging at all. Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing against low brow humour (saw Knocked Up recently and loved it) or mindless action flicks. Im the guy who will watch The Warriors every single time it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And Face Off? Pure cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go boom!. Love that flick. But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr! Please tell me none of you watched it? National Treasure sleighs Christmas box office Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel National Treasure: Book of Secrets raced to $65 million during its first five days of release across North America, distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday. The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued on Wednesday. Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17 international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the 2004 smash National Treasure stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's assassination. Will Smith's sci-fi thriller I Am Legend was No. 2 with five-day sales of $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros. Pictures. Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit Alvin and the Chipmunks, saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas Day sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million. The fact-based political comedy Charlie Wilson's War earned $14.75 million, and the Johnny Depp musical Sweeney Todd $12.75 million, both after five days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks Pictures, warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses. The box office jury is still out on Charlie Wilson, a high-profile vehicle starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as many theaters as Sweeney Todd, which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner Bros. Further down the rankings, P.S. I Love You had earned $9.1 million in its first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it hoped more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now that Christmas-related chores are behind them. The musical spoof Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story reported a four-day haul of $4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas Day estimate for the box office disappointment. Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because they will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel Alien vs. Predator: Requiem, the Denzel Washington drama The Great Debaters, and the family fantasy The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep. Walt Disney Pictures is a unit of Walt Disney Co. Warner Bros. is a unit of Time Warner Inc. Twentieth Century Fox is a unit of News Corp. Universal Pictures, a unit of General Electric Co's NBC Universal. DreamWorks Pictures is a unit of Viacom Inc. Columbia Pictures is a unit of Sony Corp. (Reporting by Dean Goodman; Editing by Stuart Grudgings) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Smith Angered over Hitler Remark
dude! Did that get aired?! What did she do? That is the worst question a reporter can ask, yet they keep asking it... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keith, as I was standing in the parking lot of my complex, watching fire spatter across my roof, knowing that everything I owned (including some comic books, two titles of which would make you weep), a reporter (still working for Channel 2, so I'll be kind and not mention her name) sticks a mike in my face and asks me the immortal question, How do you feel right now, sir? My exact reply- I feel like I want to rip out your f*cking lungs and feed them to you. And I'm still proud of myself for saying it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i hear you, i feel for celebs and the fishbowls in which they live. Then there are the ones who *seek* the press, yet bemoan their treatment. okay, so what did you say (or do) after this fire?! -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know that, in H'Wood, microphones are stuck in celebs' faces with annoying regularity, leaving them with no option but to say something. As we all know, too often, this evokes off-the-cuff responses that can be translated in a myriad of ways. Mind you, I'm not saying that Smith actually said anything to this effect, or defending the fact that he said it. Myself, I've only had one mike stuck in my face in my life, that at one of the worst possible moments of my life (as I watched my apartment burning). What I said was easily translatable and, had there not been two large members of DeKalb County's Finest on hand at the moment, would've resulted in a long term of incarceration for yours truly. IMO, the best thing to do in that sitch, not readily available for celebs like Smith, is to push the mike away and walk on. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Statements like this almost always get you in trouble, no matter what you intend. Whenever you say that an evil person didn't set out to do evil, it's bound to cause issues. I'm not sure what the exact quote from Smith is, as he obviously seems to think he was misquoted... *** http://www.examiner.com/a-1122731~Will_Smith_Angered_by_Misinterpretation.html LOS ANGELES (Map, News) - Will Smith is angry over celebrity gossip Web site articles that he said misinterpreted a recent remark he made in a Scottish newspaper about Adolf Hitler. In a story published Saturday in the Daily Record, Smith was quoted saying: Even Hitler didn't wake up going, 'let me do the most evil thing I can do today.' I think he woke up in the morning and using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was 'good.' The quote was preceded by the writer's observation: Remarkably, Will believes everyone is basically good. Over the weekend, dozens of celebrity gossip Web sites posted articles about the comment, many saying that Smith believed that Hitler was a good person. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(
to quote Martin, aarrrh!!! Tracey, if you tell me you liked Gone in Sixty Seconds and 3000 Miles to Graceland, I'll just have to go home and cry! :) -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keith I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :( Martin wrote: But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my milieu! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making National Treasure 2 the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go. Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and Voight (just show me the money!!). Not fun or clever or engaging at all. Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing against low brow humour (saw Knocked Up recently and loved it) or mindless action flicks. Im the guy who will watch The Warriors every single time it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And Face Off? Pure cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go boom!. Love that flick. But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr! Please tell me none of you watched it? National Treasure sleighs Christmas box office Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel National Treasure: Book of Secrets raced to $65 million during its first five days of release across North America, distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday. The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued on Wednesday. Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17 international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the 2004 smash National Treasure stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's assassination. Will Smith's sci-fi thriller I Am Legend was No. 2 with five-day sales of $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros. Pictures. Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit Alvin and the Chipmunks, saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas Day sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million. The fact-based political comedy Charlie Wilson's War earned $14.75 million, and the Johnny Depp musical Sweeney Todd $12.75 million, both after five days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks Pictures, warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses. The box office jury is still out on Charlie Wilson, a high-profile vehicle starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as many theaters as Sweeney Todd, which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner Bros. Further down the rankings, P.S. I Love You had earned $9.1 million in its first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it hoped more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now that Christmas-related chores are behind them. The musical spoof Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story reported a four-day haul of $4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas Day estimate for the box office disappointment. Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because they will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel Alien vs. Predator: Requiem, the Denzel Washington drama The Great Debaters, and the family fantasy The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep. Walt Disney Pictures is a unit of Walt Disney Co. Warner Bros. is a unit of Time Warner Inc. Twentieth Century Fox is a unit of News Corp. Universal Pictures, a unit of General Electric Co's NBC Universal. DreamWorks Pictures is a unit of Viacom Inc. Columbia Pictures is a unit of Sony Corp. (Reporting by Dean Goodman; Editing by Stuart Grudgings) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your
RE: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(
lo siento! how was it? There's plenty of kids' fare that's tolerable. Some of it's quite good. The Iron Giant and The Incredibles come to mind. Even Robots or Madagascar are okay for adults to sit through once. But Alvin just seemed horrible to me from the trailers... -- Original message -- From: James Landrith [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, I got sucked into Alvin and the Chipmunks by a 10 year old. The entertainment sacrifices we make for our children. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:01 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :( I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making National Treasure 2 the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go. Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and Voight (just show me the money!!). Not fun or clever or engaging at all. Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing against low brow humour (saw Knocked Up recently and loved it) or mindless action flicks. Im the guy who will watch The Warriors every single time it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And Face Off? Pure cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go boom!. Love that flick. But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr! Please tell me none of you watched it? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(
adding all e-mails from Martin to Spam folder... :) Wow! What did you like about it. Now I need to think of the worst, most panned movie that I like as my guilty pleasure. -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, darkest movie secrets. I love Howard the Duck. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :( Martin wrote: But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my milieu! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making National Treasure 2 the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go. Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and Voight (just show me the money!!). Not fun or clever or engaging at all. Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing against low brow humour (saw Knocked Up recently and loved it) or mindless action flicks. Im the guy who will watch The Warriors every single time it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And Face Off? Pure cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go boom!. Love that flick. But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr! Please tell me none of you watched it? National Treasure sleighs Christmas box office Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel National Treasure: Book of Secrets raced to $65 million during its first five days of release across North America, distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday. The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued on Wednesday. Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17 international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the 2004 smash National Treasure stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's assassination. Will Smith's sci-fi thriller I Am Legend was No. 2 with five-day sales of $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros. Pictures. Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit Alvin and the Chipmunks, saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas Day sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million. The fact-based political comedy Charlie Wilson's War earned $14.75 million, and the Johnny Depp musical Sweeney Todd $12.75 million, both after five days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks Pictures, warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses. The box office jury is still out on Charlie Wilson, a high-profile vehicle starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as many theaters as Sweeney Todd, which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner Bros. Further down the rankings, P.S. I Love You had earned $9.1 million in its first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it hoped more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now that Christmas-related chores are behind them. The musical spoof Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story reported a four-day haul of $4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas Day estimate for the box office disappointment. Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because they will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel Alien vs. Predator: Requiem, the Denzel Washington drama The Great Debaters, and the family fantasy The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep. Walt Disney Pictures is a unit of Walt Disney Co. Warner Bros. is a unit of Time Warner Inc. Twentieth Century Fox is a unit of News Corp. Universal Pictures, a unit of General Electric Co's NBC Universal. DreamWorks Pictures is a unit of Viacom Inc. Columbia Pictures is a unit of Sony Corp. (Reporting by Dean Goodman; Editing by Stuart Grudgings) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country -
Re: [scifinoir2] Smith Angered over Hitler Remark
funny you mention the responsibility of the actors themselves. People like Redford, Newman, Morgan Freeman, the late Robert Urich--all live or lived outside of Hollywood and were very careful with interviews, where they hang out, etc. As for Smith, I just listened to a podcast of him on Tavis Smiley last week. He says the reason so many actors don't blow up like he did is precisely because they :*don't* talk to the media as much as he does, at least, in terms of promoting his movies. Smith says he literally travels the world on press junkets, going from South America to China, and he says few of his peers do that. You can't expect to pull in big box office all the time, he told Smiley, if you won't get out there and promote your work. He also had some interesting things to say about being Black in Hollywood and what it means to him. Bottom line was he feels Black actors would do better in Hollywood if they just simply refused to have the door shut on them. He wasn't denying the problem, just has the mindset that he will succeed no matter the obstacle--or die trying. -- Original message -- From: Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. I am ready for Martin to write his autobiography. You have one book sold here, brother. 2. I agree 100% about ³push the mike aside and walk on. Recently, Japanese pop singer Izumi Sakai died. She was member #1 and lead singer of the group ³ZARD², who have many popular hits. Izumi made, I believe, 5 or 6 TV appearances over 10 years, unheard of for a popular Japanese singer. But it was this that made her even more popular. Because you don¹t see her often, when you did -- it was a big deal. I believe that the ³paparazzi² problem in this country is a 50/50 shared problem. You don¹t see Harrison Ford (for example) quoted or pictured in tabloids because he lives on a ranch in Wyoming. So when he comes to Hollywood, it¹s to work. The more accessible you are, the more you run the risk of playing yourself. The math just catches up to you. Will has been in everything from Men¹s Vogue to you name it to promote ³I Am Legend². It¹s his way. So for this to be one misquote over something he¹s said -- not bad. Now, make it difficult to get a Will Smith interview from now on, and his problem is solved. Will has enough friends who know damn well he¹s not saying Hitler was good¹, and all of those friends have the ability to hire him in the future. He¹s a brand. Nokia is also a brand. And there are Nokia phones you can get for $20 at ATT with a 2 year plan and there is Vertu, Nokia¹s $5,000 phone you can buy that comes with concierge service. You cannot send or receive email on a Vertu, and it¹s not even a great looking phone, but it is such an exclusive brand that people drop the 5 grand and keep it moving. You are hard pressed to find an ad for Vertu. By the time you see one, you¹ve already spent $32 on a magazine. So I¹m with Johnny Depp. Let the work speak for itself, and move out of the way of the ³press². The money will come. On 12/26/07 10:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i hear you, i feel for celebs and the fishbowls in which they live. Then there are the ones who *seek* the press, yet bemoan their treatment. okay, so what did you say (or do) after this fire?! -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com I know that, in H'Wood, microphones are stuck in celebs' faces with annoying regularity, leaving them with no option but to say something. As we all know, too often, this evokes off-the-cuff responses that can be translated in a myriad of ways. Mind you, I'm not saying that Smith actually said anything to this effect, or defending the fact that he said it. Myself, I've only had one mike stuck in my face in my life, that at one of the worst possible moments of my life (as I watched my apartment burning). What I said was easily translatable and, had there not been two large members of DeKalb County's Finest on hand at the moment, would've resulted in a long term of incarceration for yours truly. IMO, the best thing to do in that sitch, not readily available for celebs like Smith, is to push the mike away and walk on. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: Statements like this almost always get you in trouble, no matter what you intend. Whenever you say that an evil person didn't set out to do evil, it's bound to cause issues. I'm not sure what the exact quote from Smith is, as he obviously seems to think he was misquoted... *** http://www.examiner.com/a-1122731~Will_Smith_Angered_by_Misinterpretation.html LOS ANGELES (Map, News) - Will Smith is angry over celebrity gossip Web site articles that he said misinterpreted a recent remark he made in a Scottish newspaper about Adolf Hitler. In a story published Saturday in the Daily Record, Smith was quoted saying: Even Hitler didn't wake up
RE: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(
man you had me spitting out the water i was drinking when i read this. LOL!! The movie-that-didn't-need-to-be-made?! I love it.! It is amazing what kids enjoy. Looking bad, rememeber all those great cartoons--from Bugs Bunny to Rocky and Bullwinkle to Fracture Fairy Tales--that had adult themes and jokes mixed in among the kid-friendly hijinx? That's how you should make a kids' movie: enough jokes and slapstick for the wee ones, but intelligence, innuendo, satire, and in jokes that adults can enjoy as well. that's why The Incredibles is one of the few CGI films that i absolutely love. -- Original message -- From: James Landrith [EMAIL PROTECTED] How was it? Not very good. At its core, the movie suffered from a plot that involved talking and singing chipmunks. For some reason, my son enjoyed it. This same kid loved TMNT, Iron Giant, Incredibles, Robots and Madagascar. Someone explain to me why he liked this Movie-That-Didn't-Need-To-Be-Made? I'm guessing it was the barrage of advertising on Cartoon Network, Nick, Radio Disney, etc. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:47 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :( lo siento! how was it? There's plenty of kids' fare that's tolerable. Some of it's quite good. The Iron Giant and The Incredibles come to mind. Even Robots or Madagascar are okay for adults to sit through once. But Alvin just seemed horrible to me from the trailers... -- Original message -- From: James Landrith [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:james%40jameslandrith.com No, I got sucked into Alvin and the Chipmunks by a 10 year old. The entertainment sacrifices we make for our children. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net ] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:01 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :( I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making National Treasure 2 the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go. Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and Voight (just show me the money!!). Not fun or clever or engaging at all. Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing against low brow humour (saw Knocked Up recently and loved it) or mindless action flicks. Im the guy who will watch The Warriors every single time it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And Face Off? Pure cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go boom!. Love that flick. But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr! Please tell me none of you watched it? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(
Give it up, Tracey. Every parent is curse by one phenom of the times that he/she finds execrable, but which the kids love with a non-stop mania. It could be that purple dinosaur singing, non-stop, or those strange Teletubbies with their chirping noises and curious drug-induced-seeming plots. Or it might even be a halfway decent show that, after the thousandth viewing, simply makes you want to pull your eyes out. I remember many parents complaining that if they heard Barney's I love you, you love me... one more time they'd go bonkers! In the old days parents just self-medicated while their kids zoned out on the stuff... not an option i know! :) -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] James: You have me living in fear of how long I can keep my daughter away from commercial kids shows (we are still on PBS, Disney Pre-School, Noggin and Nick Jr) or the influence of other kids who will be advocating for Alfin and his ilk. Be strong... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Original message -- From: James Landrith How was it? Not very good. At its core, the movie suffered from a plot that involved talking and singing chipmunks. For some reason, my son enjoyed it. This same kid loved TMNT, Iron Giant, Incredibles, Robots and Madagascar. Someone explain to me why he liked this Movie-That-Didn't-Need-To-Be-Made? I'm guessing it was the barrage of advertising on Cartoon Network, Nick, Radio Disney, etc. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:47 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :( lo siento! how was it? There's plenty of kids' fare that's tolerable. Some of it's quite good. The Iron Giant and The Incredibles come to mind. Even Robots or Madagascar are okay for adults to sit through once. But Alvin just seemed horrible to me from the trailers... -- Original message -- From: James Landrith No, I got sucked into Alvin and the Chipmunks by a 10 year old. The entertainment sacrifices we make for our children. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:01 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :( I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making National Treasure 2 the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go. Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and Voight (just show me the money!!). Not fun or clever or engaging at all. Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing against low brow humour (saw Knocked Up recently and loved it) or mindless action flicks. Im the guy who will watch The Warriors every single time it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And Face Off? Pure cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go boom!. Love that flick. But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr! Please tell me none of you watched it? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
How about, Kirk saving the day by outsmarting a super computer, causing it to self-destruct in self-loathing and unreconcilable programming loops? He did that with M5 (How will you atone for the sin of murder...This computer must die...), Nomad (Nomad, you've made three errors, you are flawed. Execute your prime directive.Boom!) and Landru (You are not protecting the Body! Landru! Help me! Boom!) -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction movies. So far two were raised. They are: 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star Trek Next Generation 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in Independence Day Got any others Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(
you're a naturist. Surely you can cook something up in the kitchen that can be smok--er, ingested--which will leave you pleasantly numb and detached, a never fadig plastic smile on your face, while allowing you to keep Kira entertained! -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know it is inevitable. I just survived Barney and Lazy Town. Don't you remember just a few short days ago, I told you we had to watch the Grinch five times a day and then listen to the soundtrack a few dozen times or how we have to watch Cars, draw Cars, color Cars, build cars, be Cars (by poor husband is often Mater) and play with Cars around the clock. but you can't blame me for doing whatever it took to avert the alvin and the chipmunks tragedy! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give it up, Tracey. Every parent is curse by one phenom of the times that he/she finds execrable, but which the kids love with a non-stop mania. It could be that purple dinosaur singing, non-stop, or those strange Teletubbies with their chirping noises and curious drug-induced-seeming plots. Or it might even be a halfway decent show that, after the thousandth viewing, simply makes you want to pull your eyes out. I remember many parents complaining that if they heard Barney's I love you, you love me... one more time they'd go bonkers! In the old days parents just self-medicated while their kids zoned out on the stuff... not an option i know! :) -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] James: You have me living in fear of how long I can keep my daughter away from commercial kids shows (we are still on PBS, Disney Pre-School, Noggin and Nick Jr) or the influence of other kids who will be advocating for Alfin and his ilk. Be strong... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Original message -- From: James Landrith How was it? Not very good. At its core, the movie suffered from a plot that involved talking and singing chipmunks. For some reason, my son enjoyed it. This same kid loved TMNT, Iron Giant, Incredibles, Robots and Madagascar. Someone explain to me why he liked this Movie-That-Didn't-Need-To-Be-Made? I'm guessing it was the barrage of advertising on Cartoon Network, Nick, Radio Disney, etc. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:47 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :( lo siento! how was it? There's plenty of kids' fare that's tolerable. Some of it's quite good. The Iron Giant and The Incredibles come to mind. Even Robots or Madagascar are okay for adults to sit through once. But Alvin just seemed horrible to me from the trailers... -- Original message -- From: James Landrith No, I got sucked into Alvin and the Chipmunks by a 10 year old. The entertainment sacrifices we make for our children. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:01 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :( I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making National Treasure 2 the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go. Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and Voight (just show me the money!!). Not fun or clever or engaging at all. Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing against low brow humour (saw Knocked Up recently and loved it) or mindless action flicks. Im the guy who will watch The Warriors every single time it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And Face Off? Pure cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go boom!. Love that flick. But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr! Please tell me none of you watched it? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(
Among the most unlikely saves, that whole virus killing the alien network in ID4 ranks near the top. I was yelling at the screen when that happened (while the rest of the audience, i might add, was cheering). I kept thinking, how could a conquering race that's thousands of years ahead of us have such a cheap ass firewall and suck-ass anti-virus software? I also hate the If-the-Mothership-Goes-Down-Then-all-ohter-ships-die-because-they-draw-power-from-the-mothership solution. Bogus! the save in ID4 is about as bad as Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star Trek. What?! A race of superintelligent, super adaptive cyborgs who learn from every race they encounter, yet their internal systems programming is so bad that someone can put them in Sleep mode in the middle of an operation, and *then* on top of that the system literally blew up from its non-stop repair cycle? WTF??? -- Original message -- From: James Landrith [EMAIL PROTECTED] What? Are you saying that one man, a Mac laptop and a few hours of virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try? You so totally have to know that Steve Jobs is an alien so Macs are, of course, compatible with all of the major Milky Way operating systems. I refuse to believe otherwise. From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 1:14 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :( Can't get through either. Ugggh! I get a kick out of over the top Hollywoodized, corny, scifi blockbusters. National Treasure, The Island, Transformers, Independence Day. See a trend here. You could not pay me to go to the Theater to see them. just laughing a some of the ridiculous science or the silly over the top lines is a hoot. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
yes indeed. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] That outsmarting the computer theme seems to appear every season on the Original Star Trek and Next Generation [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about, Kirk saving the day by outsmarting a super computer, causing it to self-destruct in self-loathing and unreconcilable programming loops? He did that with M5 (How will you atone for the sin of murder...This computer must die...), Nomad (Nomad, you've made three errors, you are flawed. Execute your prime directive. Boom!) and Landru (You are not protecting the Body! Landru! Help me! Boom!) -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction movies. So far two were raised. They are: 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star Trek Next Generation 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in Independence Day Got any others Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
Bad moment, but it's not technically a save. For a bad straight out save from Star Wars, how about Luke getting his a kicked by the cackling Emperor, whining Father! Help me please!. I always thought the conversion of Vader from this super bad buy who'd spent decades murdering his own former Jedi fellows to a good guy was rushed. We didn't get enough time to believe his love for Luke would grow like that. After all, he'd told the Emperor earlier Luke would joing them or die, then, after one meeting (when Luke, manacled, is carted off to the Emperor) he starts having pangs of guilt?? WTF? There wasn't any real time devoted to him and Luke getting to know each other, to bond. So that's his son? Big deal. The guy's killed God knows how many children over the years. Every time i see that scene i hiss at the screen. -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is my nomination for the worst bad plot blockbuster of all time: Revenge of The Sith: Anakin haunted by visions of the death of his beloved Padme embraces the Dark Side in order to save her from what he sees as an inescapable fate and when she questions his judgement, he attempts to kill her. Not only is this one of the insipid and lackluster character motivations of all time, it's also the single most disappointing moment in the history of Sci-Fi. Watching George Lucas destroy what could have been the single greatest legacy in the history of the genre and essentially reduce it to used asswipe is staggeringly heartbreaking. Arguably, there has never been a moment more anticipated or considered in the history of Science Fiction than the transition of Anakin Skywalker from Jedi Knight to Sith Lord. How could he possibly have done that to himself and his work? Bosco --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction movies. So far two were raised. They are: 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star Trek Next Generation 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in Independence Day Got any others Yahoo! Groups Links __ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
Well, there's the time when two thousand Dominion ships were coming through the wormhole and the Prophets simply got rid of them. That might be the scene, since it was such a neat fix, but that's not the end of the War, technically. At the true end, Section 31 had of course infected the Changelings with a virus that was killing them all. Cardassia had risen against the Dominion, which devastated the planet in punishment. But, the Romulans had finally joined the Federation/Klingon alliance against the Dominion (thanks to Sisko and Garak's subterfuge) and the Prophets prevented more Dominion ships to come into the Alpha quadrant. Still, victory wasn't certain for either side, so Odo helped broker a deal: he would impart his healed DNA to the Changelings, and they would end the war. He healed the one Changeling who'd been running the campaign in the Alpha Quadrant, then travelled to the Changeling home world and gave them the cure. Perhaps that ending was too pat for him? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and stay with them? Daryle wrote: The End of the Dominion War. On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction movies. So far two were raised. They are: 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star Trek Next Generation 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in Independence Day Got any others Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I feel asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i heard an ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling vaguely angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour. I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. I keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, or getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, Battlestar Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), Babylon 5, original Trek, or DS9. I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and stay with them? Daryle wrote: The End of the Dominion War. On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction movies. So far two were raised. They are: 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star Trek Next Generation 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in Independence Day Got any others Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
that 2 am slot sucks. I could tape it, but the commercial interrruptions kill me, and Spike seems to be airing shows that have snippets cut here and there for timing. (it's worse for the OS series rerun, where I can easily detect the cuts). what are the tough times ahead? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I do not know. I do not think that tops the list - except for the prophet's rescue. I would like to see the whole series again. it comes on t 11:00 am sporadically and at 2:00 am, however, I am trying out an experiment with trying to go to bed at normal hours. Tough times ahead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, there's the time when two thousand Dominion ships were coming through the wormhole and the Prophets simply got rid of them. That might be the scene, since it was such a neat fix, but that's not the end of the War, technically. At the true end, Section 31 had of course infected the Changelings with a virus that was killing them all. Cardassia had risen against the Dominion, which devastated the planet in punishment. But, the Romulans had finally joined the Federation/Klingon alliance against the Dominion (thanks to Sisko and Garak's subterfuge) and the Prophets prevented more Dominion ships to come into the Alpha quadrant. Still, victory wasn't certain for either side, so Odo helped broker a deal: he would impart his healed DNA to the Changelings, and they would end the war. He healed the one Changeling who'd been running the campaign in the Alpha Quadrant, then travelled to the Changeling home world and gave them the cure. Perhaps that ending was too pat for him? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and stay with them? Daryle wrote: The End of the Dominion War. On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction movies. So far two were raised. They are: 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star Trek Next Generation 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in Independence Day Got any others Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
Both Conan movie finales. In the first Conan flick (which I love) i thought Conan overcoming Thulsa Doom's mental control to chop off his head was anticlimactic. He wobbled for a bit, then starts swinging the sword. Always feel let down by that one. And in Conan the Destroyer, the fight with the god at the end is just laughable. With the obvious fake lightning and thunder (stagehands flickering the lights and hitting metal sheets with hammers) Conan jumps on the underworld creature and literally tears its mouth open to kill it. Supposed to be a big deal, but seemed stupid to me. Who's he supposed to be, Hercules? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction movies. So far two were raised. They are: 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star Trek Next Generation 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in Independence Day Got any others Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
how is this possible??? I've never even *heard* of this film, let alone seen it! That *never* happens. Sounds like a classically bad flick. Gotta find it! -- Original message -- From: Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry, folks...the ABSOLUTE worst save in Sci Fi history was in the spaghetti sci-fi flick 'Star Crash'...Christopher Plummer was the Emperor of the Universe...a bounty Hunter has found his kidnapped son and he arrives on the planet...The bouty hunter and son tell him Sire, we only have 2 minutes to leave the planet before it explodes! the audience in the theatre as well as I was murmering how the heck are they going to get out of this when suddenly the Emperor looks at them and says Do not worry, I am not the Emperor of the Univese for nothing. He then looks to the sky and says Spaceship! Halt the flow of time! There was dead silence for a good second before the laughter, groan and cat calls began. The movie was so bad, I fell in love with it...I've been looking for it ever since to add to my collection! Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always wondered...Why didn't NOMAD blow up the moment he had discovered his error? oh yeah, it was in the script... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about, Kirk saving the day by outsmarting a super computer, causing it to self-destruct in self-loathing and unreconcilable programming loops? He did that with M5 (How will you atone for the sin of murder...This computer must die...), Nomad (Nomad, you've made three errors, you are flawed. Execute your prime directive. Boom!) and Landru (You are not protecting the Body! Landru! Help me! Boom!) -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction movies. So far two were raised. They are: 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star Trek Next Generation 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in Independence Day Got any others Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Ill only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really dont want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Ill only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really dont want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
i doubt it, unless i can get about fifty people in my house everytime i see a movie! :) -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Agreed. While I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home viewing almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on Netflix until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series Astromancer wrote: Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the big screen and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a suggestion... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I feel asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i heard an ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling vaguely angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour. I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. I keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, or getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, Battlestar Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), Babylon 5, original Trek, or DS9. I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and stay with them? Daryle wrote: The End of the Dominion War. On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction movies. So far two were raised. They are: 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star Trek Next Generation 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in Independence Day Got any others Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so I'll only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really don't want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
LOL!! -- Original message -- From: Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the big screen and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a suggestion... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I feel asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i heard an ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling vaguely angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour. I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. I keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, or getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, Battlestar Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), Babylon 5, original Trek, or DS9. I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and stay with them? Daryle wrote: The End of the Dominion War. On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction movies. So far two were raised. They are: 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star Trek Next Generation 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in Independence Day Got any others Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Ill only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really dont want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] OT: Bhutto Apparently Killed in Attack
Holy crap. I wonder who's behind this, and why she, of all the claimants for leadership of Pakistan, seems to have been the most viciously and consistently targeted? You know there will be major examinations of Musharif, but surely he's not involved...? News stories are extremely incomplete, so the body of this article might say she was only injured, though the title says she died... ** http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/12/27/pakistan.sharif/index.html RAWALPINDI, Pakistan (CNN) -- Pakistan former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto was targeted in a deadly suicide bombing Thursday. Media reports quote her husband saying she suffered a bullet wound to the neck in the attack. The attack has left at least 14 dead and 40 injured, Tariq Azim Khan, the country's former information minister, told CNN in a telephone interview. Bhutto's husband, Asif Ali Zardari told CNN affiliate Geo TV that his wife was shot in the neck in the attack. The attacker is said to have detonated a bomb as he tried to enter the rally where thousands of people gathered to hear Bhutto speak, police said. Bhutto is said to have been leaving the rally when the attack occurred and was taken to a hospital in an unconcious state, the Geo TV report said. Earlier, a spokesman for Bhutto told CNN she was safe and taken away from the scene. Video from the scene of the blast broadcast from Geo TV showed wounded people being loaded into ambulances. Up to 20 people are dead, the report said. Earlier, four supporters of former Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif died when members of another political party opened fire on them at a rally near the Islamabad airport Friday, local police said. Several other members of Sharif's party were wounded, police added. While President Pervez Musharraf has promised free and fair parliamentary elections next month, continued instability in the tribal areas and the threat of attack on large crowds has kept people from attending political rallies and dampened the country's political process. Campaigners from various political groups say fewer people are coming out to show their support due to government crackdowns and the threat of violence. At least 136 people were killed and more than 387 wounded on October 18 when a suicide bomber attacked Bhutto's slow-moving motorcade. The former PM returned to the country after eight years of self-imposed exile to a massive show of support in the southern port city of Karachi. Bhutto called it an attack on democracy and vowed it would not deter her political campaign. Today's violence come less than two weeks ahead of January parliamentary elections and as many days after President Pervez Musharraf lifted a six-week-old state of emergency he said was necessary to ensure the country's stability. Critics said Musharraf's political maneuvering was meant to stifle the country's judiciary as well as curb the media and opposition groups to secure more power. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
you mean, why did he start babbling Error, error! Must analyze error! Faulty! Faulty! Must sterilize imperfection! ? You're right, they had time to put some anti-grav thingies on him, run through the corridors, and get him on the transporter pad. The funniest thing? Kirk *delays* transport for a second and yells one last time Nomad! Execute your prime function!, while Nomad is screaming Must sterilize imperfection! What if he'd gone boom! right there on the pad?! -- Original message -- From: Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've always wondered...Why didn't NOMAD blow up the moment he had discovered his error? oh yeah, it was in the script... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about, Kirk saving the day by outsmarting a super computer, causing it to self-destruct in self-loathing and unreconcilable programming loops? He did that with M5 (How will you atone for the sin of murder...This computer must die...), Nomad (Nomad, you've made three errors, you are flawed. Execute your prime directive. Boom!) and Landru (You are not protecting the Body! Landru! Help me! Boom!) -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction movies. So far two were raised. They are: 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star Trek Next Generation 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in Independence Day Got any others Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Ill only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really dont want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
the mother of a friend of mine kept bees twenty years ago because she was developing arthritis. The bee stings definitely improved her condition greatly. Though, is there a way to get the benefit from the venom without getting stung? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Never!!! if you have pain, try looking into bee sting therapy. I know it sound nuts, but I heard about it on NPR. It is a growing practice here in the states and apparently very popular in Asia Astromancer wrote: I fell on it, probably tore my rotator cuff...have to have if done before construction season...So you're going back into modeling? Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What happened to your shoulder? Astromancer wrote: I will too, provided I don't need surgery on my shoulder... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We had one for a while, but all this cross continent moving has changed that. So , I have the same dreams. Hopefully, now that I am getting well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a reality Astromancer wrote: I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent DVDs or download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big screen TV... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed. While I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home viewing almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on Netflix until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series Astromancer wrote: Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the big screen and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a suggestion... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I feel asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i heard an ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling vaguely angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour. I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. I keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, or getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, Battlestar Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), Babylon 5, original Trek, or DS9. I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and stay with them? Daryle wrote: The End of the Dominion War. On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction movies. So far two were raised. They are: 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star Trek Next Generation 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in Independence Day Got any others Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so I'll only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really don't want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so I'll only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really don't want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
i don't like small TVs or screens. My living room TV is 32 and i can't wait to upgrade to a 42 or 50 plasma so i can watch it from the den as well. (that'll proabably be next Christmas, though). I really like to see detail on the screen, so small screens bug me. i like to be immersed in the complete audio-visual experience (which is why, Tracey, I'll never give up the theatrical experience, even when i get a big flatscreen). I do feel you on the small rooms, though. i wonder if it's because I grew up in a small house (five rooms, three brothers in one bedroom) but I like smaller, cozier, feeling rooms. When I see apartments or houses with giant open plans and soaring, vaulted ceilings, i feel nervous and exposed. Seriously. The biggest thing my wife and i had when we bought our house is that, since it's older, it has smaller, discrete rooms, and only 8' ceilings. My wife--who is only 5' tall--feels closed in by the rooms and the low ceiling. But I--standing 6'1--feel just fine. She wants our next house to be open plan, where the kitchen, den, and living room are all more or less visible, similar to one big one. She even has been talking about getting a loft. My comment to her was that if we do that, i'll almost never be in the living room, probably spending all my time in a smaller guest bedroom. And a loft is right out, i'm afraid. I was the kind of kid who'd find a spot on the couch, then cover myself in pillows to have a fort or something, and feel completely snug and comfortable. The first time I left my neighborhood on foot (instead of in a car) i was a young child walking our dogs with my mom. My old neighborhood is surrounded by freeways, a river, and a railroad track, and has lots of trees. It's one of those where you can feel a bit sequesterd in spots. So, when we walked out of the neighborhood i was greeted by the sight of the trees dropping away to reveal a large expanse of flat land that ran to the freeway, which arcs upward to a bridge. All around me was open sky, open fields, a giant freeway. I freaked out and had to walk back. Soon as I got behind the cover of the trees again, i felt better. To this day really open spaces make me feel a bit nervous and exposed. You know how some people have nightmares about being entrapped, closed in? My nightmares typically find me in an open plain, flat to the horizon, with the exception of a giant building or ship towering above me. The terror i feel at standing in the shadow of a giant cruise ship or spaceship or building towering a thousand feet above me is hard to describe. Yet i'm not afraid of heights... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't really know. Just always have. And I should clarify- the storage room I speak of was actually the master bedroom of my apartment. I don't like big rooms, either, and didn't even use the room when I had the apartment, save for book and comic storage. I could've gone in and watched it (the TV) easily enough. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually like small tvs myself. I do not prefer them, but I shocked my husband when we first started living together. if we both wanted to watch tv and view different programs, I would offer to go watch the small TV in the bedroom. I like the coziness. So you are not totally alone in your penchant for small TVs. However, I would not put a large TV in a storage room. I like them too. Why do you prefer small TVs? Martin wrote: I'm often alone in my weirdness, and I don't think this will be an exception. I've never liked big TVs. I had a 30 once, and hated the thing. I kept in in my bedroom initially, and moved it into my storage room a month later. Since, I've owned nothing bigger than a 19 screen. Right now, I have a 13 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: We had one for a while, but all this cross continent moving has changed that. So , I have the same dreams. Hopefully, now that I am getting well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a reality Astromancer wrote: I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent DVDs or download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big screen TV... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: Agreed. While I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home viewing almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on Netflix until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series Astromancer wrote: Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the big screen and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a suggestion... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes
Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
Hasselhoff too?! Oh that's just perfect! Now, tell me it's got Jimmy JJ Walker, the guy who played Mr. Drummond on Different Strokes, and a few other Love Boat rejects, and we're in business! -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] they got it on Netflix. David Hasselhoff is in it too. Totally missed this one [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how is this possible??? I've never even *heard* of this film, let alone seen it! That *never* happens. Sounds like a classically bad flick. Gotta find it! -- Original message -- From: Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry, folks...the ABSOLUTE worst save in Sci Fi history was in the spaghetti sci-fi flick 'Star Crash'...Christopher Plummer was the Emperor of the Universe...a bounty Hunter has found his kidnapped son and he arrives on the planet...The bouty hunter and son tell him Sire, we only have 2 minutes to leave the planet before it explodes! the audience in the theatre as well as I was murmering how the heck are they going to get out of this when suddenly the Emperor looks at them and says Do not worry, I am not the Emperor of the Univese for nothing. He then looks to the sky and says Spaceship! Halt the flow of time! There was dead silence for a good second before the laughter, groan and cat calls began. The movie was so bad, I fell in love with it...I've been looking for it ever since to add to my collection! Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always wondered...Why didn't NOMAD blow up the moment he had discovered his error? oh yeah, it was in the script... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about, Kirk saving the day by outsmarting a super computer, causing it to self-destruct in self-loathing and unreconcilable programming loops? He did that with M5 (How will you atone for the sin of murder...This computer must die...), Nomad (Nomad, you've made three errors, you are flawed. Execute your prime directive. Boom!) and Landru (You are not protecting the Body! Landru! Help me! Boom!) -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction movies. So far two were raised. They are: 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star Trek Next Generation 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in Independence Day Got any others Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so I'll only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really don't want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so I'll only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really don't want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Bhutto Apparently Killed in Attack
that'd be a cleverly devious way to take some out: use the major event to scatter the crowd, get them in a panic, and then--when even the best security measures show gaps as they try to flee--take the target out. i'm really sad about this... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keith, put nothing past anyone. The official story, as I've gathered it to date, is that there was a suicide bomber at the rally she was attending. She was unhurt, and whisked away in her car so quickly that it led to initial reports that she'd been injured in the bombing. It was as she fled that when her car was shot at. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Holy crap. I wonder who's behind this, and why she, of all the claimants for leadership of Pakistan, seems to have been the most viciously and consistently targeted? You know there will be major examinations of Musharif, but surely he's not involved...? News stories are extremely incomplete, so the body of this article might say she was only injured, though the title says she died... ** http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/12/27/pakistan.sharif/index.html RAWALPINDI, Pakistan (CNN) -- Pakistan former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto was targeted in a deadly suicide bombing Thursday. Media reports quote her husband saying she suffered a bullet wound to the neck in the attack. The attack has left at least 14 dead and 40 injured, Tariq Azim Khan, the country's former information minister, told CNN in a telephone interview. Bhutto's husband, Asif Ali Zardari told CNN affiliate Geo TV that his wife was shot in the neck in the attack. The attacker is said to have detonated a bomb as he tried to enter the rally where thousands of people gathered to hear Bhutto speak, police said. Bhutto is said to have been leaving the rally when the attack occurred and was taken to a hospital in an unconcious state, the Geo TV report said. Earlier, a spokesman for Bhutto told CNN she was safe and taken away from the scene. Video from the scene of the blast broadcast from Geo TV showed wounded people being loaded into ambulances. Up to 20 people are dead, the report said. Earlier, four supporters of former Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif died when members of another political party opened fire on them at a rally near the Islamabad airport Friday, local police said. Several other members of Sharif's party were wounded, police added. While President Pervez Musharraf has promised free and fair parliamentary elections next month, continued instability in the tribal areas and the threat of attack on large crowds has kept people from attending political rallies and dampened the country's political process. Campaigners from various political groups say fewer people are coming out to show their support due to government crackdowns and the threat of violence. At least 136 people were killed and more than 387 wounded on October 18 when a suicide bomber attacked Bhutto's slow-moving motorcade. The former PM returned to the country after eight years of self-imposed exile to a massive show of support in the southern port city of Karachi. Bhutto called it an attack on democracy and vowed it would not deter her political campaign. Today's violence come less than two weeks ahead of January parliamentary elections and as many days after President Pervez Musharraf lifted a six-week-old state of emergency he said was necessary to ensure the country's stability. Critics said Musharraf's political maneuvering was meant to stifle the country's judiciary as well as curb the media and opposition groups to secure more power. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?
Highlander with shape shifters, psychics, vampires, and lots of red tape? Sounds like the crappy last Highlander movie about the Source. That movie sucked beyond belief! -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tracey de Morsella wrote: Looking for some flix to rent on Netflix over the weekend. I just saw a preview for Day Watch, that was interesting. Has anyone hear of it or its prequel Night Watch. Anyone read th trilogy. It got some good reviews. I never heard of them prior to seeing the preview. I think it came out while I was in Mexico. NY Times describes it as Star Wars Meets the Vampires in Moscow. The plots can be convoluted at times, often taking a backseat to cool special effects but they're both fun to watch. Think Highlander with shape shifters, psychics, vampires, magic and lots of red tape. Night Watch is the darker film but the more light-hearted Day Watch is probably the better of the two. I'm really looking forward to the director's next project, Wanted with Angelina Jolie and James McAvoy. ** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Can't Wait for Cloverfield
is being as bleak as the Mist a bad thing? I meant to ask if anyone saw that film. Was it any good? -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just hope they can keep the intensity and suspense at a high levels throughout the entire movie while dishing up monster movie goodness. I've heard a few spoilerfic rumors and if they are true this movie may be as bleak as The Mist. Have you seen any of the tv spots yet? All I will say is that one of them gives you a better look at the after effects of a monster bite. Yikes. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer for Cloverfield, the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, Alias, MI-3, Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk about a suspenseful buildup! Seeing the freakin' Statue of Liberty's head come sailing through the air *all the way from the water* to crash into the street? Awesome. There's also a scene showing the military firing like crazy at something we never see. It reminds me of the great scene in Spieldberg's War of the Worlds when the military attacks the Martians on that hillside and the whole area literally lights up with weapons fire. The Apple site has two trailers. The one labeled trailer is longer and shows more stuff. it's the one you'll see at many other sites. The one labeled teaser gives a slightly different angle. Check 'em out. If you can't see the Apple trailers, try the second link below, which is to a MovieWeb page with lots of videos, including a two second glimpse of the monster (can't see a darn thing, though). Hard to find a lot of stuff on this film, as there's no real officiall movie site, but i included some info from a blogger below the trailers. If nothing else, Abrams knows how to tell an exciting, fast-paced story, and he actually believes in good plotting and acting as well. he also is a fan of old-fashioned monster flicks like Godzilla. So this looks to be a fun ride. The fact that the script has been kept secret, along with any view of the creature, is only heightening the anticipation. I'm looking forward to this movie! Trailers: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/cloverfield/ http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/53/5153/videos/ *** http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10118 What is Cloverfield? This is the question that has been debated across North America in the hours since Transformers debuted the teaser to this upcoming 2008 release. Shrouded in mystery since its inception, the plot of Cloverfield is one of the most carefully guarded secrets in Hollywood right now. BOP is generally not in the business of breaking news as it generally leads to more aggravation than it's worth, but for the first time since we unveiled the voice cast of The Incredibles, we are going to make an exception and do so here in order to clear up some of the mystery. Cloverfield is a J.J. Abrams production, so it should not be surprising to hear that a couple of key players from Abrams' television shows are on board. The writer is Drew Goddard. Goddard has been a producer on both Alias and Lost and served as co-executive producer for the latter show's 2007 episodes. Fans of Joss Whedon (and BOP knows there are a ton of you out there since we sometimes double as a Firefly fan site) also know him as a writer for several episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel. Goddard was the principal scribe on Dirty Girls, the episode from Buffy season seven. This episode featured the return of Faith as well as the transition of Nathan Fillion from the recently canceled Firefly to Buffy wherein he portrayed a nefarious, misogynistic man of the cloth. Goddard's work on Angel primarily occurred during that show's final season as well. He wrote the World War II submarine epic, Why We Fight, and earned his place in permanent Whedon-lore for his invention of The Immortal in The Girl in Question. Clearly, he is one of the most inventive and imaginative young writers in the industry. His presence alone is indic ative of a quality work in the offing. Abrams has not left anything to chance, though. He has also hired one of his most trusted co-workers from the early days of Felicity for this project. BOP has confirmed that Matt Reeves is the director on this project. Reeves is the writer/director of the 1996 David Schwimmer comedy, The Pallbearer, and he served as executive producer during the run of Felicity (pre- and post-Keri Russell haircut). Reeves and Abrams created that project together with Reeves even writing and directing the pilot, so their working relationship goes back a decade now. When Goddard came up with the premise for Cloverfield, Reeves was the easy choice to helm the project. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for Cloverfield
yeah, though i still wonder, why is Abrams so fascinated with young people. all the main stars in Cloverfield seem to be in their early to mid-20s. Even the little blurb I read describes it as Five young New Yorkers. Hopefully, like with Lost, there'll be some old fogies my age who get meaty roles! -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] maybe he is returning to his roots as a master storyteller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer for Cloverfield, the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, Alias, MI-3, Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk about a suspenseful buildup! Seeing the freakin' Statue of Liberty's head come sailing through the air *all the way from the water* to crash into the street? Awesome. There's also a scene showing the military firing like crazy at something we never see. It reminds me of the great scene in Spieldberg's War of the Worlds when the military attacks the Martians on that hillside and the whole area literally lights up with weapons fire. The Apple site has two trailers. The one labeled trailer is longer and shows more stuff. it's the one you'll see at many other sites. The one labeled teaser gives a slightly different angle. Check 'em out. If you can't see the Apple trailers, try the second link below, which is to a MovieWeb page with lots of videos, including a two second glimpse of the monster (can't see a darn thing, though). Hard to find a lot of stuff on this film, as there's no real officiall movie site, but i included some info from a blogger below the trailers. If nothing else, Abrams knows how to tell an exciting, fast-paced story, and he actually believes in good plotting and acting as well. he also is a fan of old-fashioned monster flicks like Godzilla. So this looks to be a fun ride. The fact that the script has been kept secret, along with any view of the creature, is only heightening the anticipation. I'm looking forward to this movie! Trailers: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/cloverfield/ http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/53/5153/videos/ *** http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10118 What is Cloverfield? This is the question that has been debated across North America in the hours since Transformers debuted the teaser to this upcoming 2008 release. Shrouded in mystery since its inception, the plot of Cloverfield is one of the most carefully guarded secrets in Hollywood right now. BOP is generally not in the business of breaking news as it generally leads to more aggravation than it's worth, but for the first time since we unveiled the voice cast of The Incredibles, we are going to make an exception and do so here in order to clear up some of the mystery. Cloverfield is a J.J. Abrams production, so it should not be surprising to hear that a couple of key players from Abrams' television shows are on board. The writer is Drew Goddard. Goddard has been a producer on both Alias and Lost and served as co-executive producer for the latter show's 2007 episodes. Fans of Joss Whedon (and BOP knows there are a ton of you out there since we sometimes double as a Firefly fan site) also know him as a writer for several episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel. Goddard was the principal scribe on Dirty Girls, the episode from Buffy season seven. This episode featured the return of Faith as well as the transition of Nathan Fillion from the recently canceled Firefly to Buffy wherein he portrayed a nefarious, misogynistic man of the cloth. Goddard's work on Angel primarily occurred during that show's final season as well. He wrote the World War II submarine epic, Why We Fight, and earned his place in permanent Whedon-lore for his invention of The Immortal in The Girl in Question. Clearly, he is one of the most inventive and imaginative young writers in the industry. His presence alone is indic ative of a quality work in the offing. Abrams has not left anything to chance, though. He has also hired one of his most trusted co-workers from the early days of Felicity for this project. BOP has confirmed that Matt Reeves is the director on this project. Reeves is the writer/director of the 1996 David Schwimmer comedy, The Pallbearer, and he served as executive producer during the run of Felicity (pre- and post-Keri Russell haircut). Reeves and Abrams created that project together with Reeves even writing and directing the pilot, so their working relationship goes back a decade now. When Goddard came up with the premise for Cloverfield, Reeves was the easy choice to helm the project. [Non-text portions of this message have been
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Omega MAn
i've only seen The Omega Man on network TV, so that scene was cut. I remember liking the movie, and shaking my head at the ending. You ever notice how many times in movies Heston died at the end, but in a noble, martyr-like way? In Omega man, he looks like nothing so much as Christ on the Cross at the end. He also had a bloody, dramatic death in one of the Planet of the Apes films. Indeed, isn't he the one who setoff the Earth-destroying nuke in his death throes? And then there's El Cid, where he dies at the end, yet is tied to his horse so that his body, riding onward on the battlefield, can continue to inspire his men. My wife and I always laugh at Heston in such roles... -- Original message -- From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am a big fan of Omega Man. The late, great Rosalind Cash plays the sassy black girl. Although she remains too thin for my taste, in 1971, when I was fifteen years old, her brief nude scene sho nuff ruled my world. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watched Omega Man and The Last Man on Earth yesterday via Netflix. All very good movies. I like Omega Man cause of the sassy blk girl Lisa. But I can see how they mashed both versions of the movies together to create the Will Smith movie. But see how I Am Legend is much more developed then the previous versions. If anyone is interested there is also a good movie that comes with The Last Man on Earth DVD called Panic in Year Zero. It was a really good film. No zombies but a good look at how if bombs hit people will go nuts. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for Cloverfield
thanks for all the research, Tracey. Knew I could count on you! You know what, though? I'm going to avoid seeing any pictures of the beastie. Having come this far with the project so tightly under wraps, I think I'll wait until i'm in theatre to confront whatever it is, so I can be surprised. I'll read some more about the movie, though. I'm really excited and hopeful. the giant monster flick is something that's long languished in America. It never really took off on the level of truly scaring people, either. I mean, outside the first, awesome, frightening Godzilla movie (I've only seen the Americanized cut with Raymond Burr, hear the original Japanese version is better) I can't think of many giant monster flicks that scared American audiences. We had loads of giant monster pics, of course. We all grew up on them, from Destroy All Monsters to King Kong. But those were rarely *scary*, just exciting, entertaining, or plain silly (Smog Monster, anyone? Mothra?) I think I can recall being afraid of the man-eating Gargantuan, but that's it. I hear the movie The Host was really good, but it didn't do big box office here. It only did two million in America, but over eighty-six million worldwide!Contrast that with something like Rob Zombie's House of 1000 Corpses, which despite being junk, did sixteen million here, but only four million overseas. Seems like in America most monster flicks deal with vampires or werewolves or zombies or ghosts. Wonder why Asia is more into the giant-sized type? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try these sites from imdb There have also been a number of characters' MySpace pages found, through which you can find other characters in the movie. Rob--http://www.myspace.com/robbyhawkins www.jamieandteddy.com http://www.jamieandteddy.com In September 2007 this website was discovered. It features a password protected video of the actress who plays Jamie Lascano as the character keeping a video diary for her boyfriend. The password for the video is jllovesth. There are 5 videos so far. www.theblairgodzillaproject.com http://www.theblairgodzillaproject.com is another new site that shows the characters and films that inspired J.J. Abrams to make the film. http://www.slusho.jp/. This site is designed to appear as a commercial website about a fictitious beverage called 'Slusho' that J.J. Abrams has so far included in both Lost and Alias. Mike Street wrote: try researching Slusho and you'll find out a lot more of what Cloverfield is all about. There is a lot going on with the movie and there are several fake MySpace pages which info on the movie it all ties into an elaborate online game millions are playing right in online and offline On Dec 27, 2007 9:47 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: found some pix of the monster http://www.massiveblack.com/stabby/stabbysidefinal.jpg http://www.massiveblack.com/stabby/paint16.jpg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer for Cloverfield, the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, Alias, MI-3, Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk about a suspenseful buildup! Seeing the freakin' Statue of Liberty's head come sailing through the air *all the way from the water* to crash into the street? Awesome. There's also a scene showing the military firing like crazy at something we never see. It reminds me of the great scene in Spieldberg's War of the Worlds when the military attacks the Martians on that hillside and the whole area literally lights up with weapons fire. The Apple site has two trailers. The one labeled trailer is longer and shows more stuff. it's the one you'll see at many other sites. The one labeled teaser gives a slightly different angle. Check 'em out. If you can't see the Apple trailers, try the second link below, which is to a MovieWeb page with lots of videos, including a two second glimpse of the monster (can't see a darn thing, though). Hard to find a lot of stuff on this film, as there's no real officiall movie site, but i included some info from a blogger below the trailers. If nothing else, Abrams knows how to tell an exciting, fast-paced story, and he actually believes in good plotting and acting as well. he also is a fan of old-fashioned monster flicks like Godzilla. So this looks to be a fun ride. The fact that the script has been kept secret, along with any view of the creature, is only heightening the anticipation. I'm looking forward to this movie! Trailers: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/cloverfield/ http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/53/5153/videos/ *** http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10118 What is Cloverfield? This is the question that has been debated across
Re: [scifinoir2] Conan was Re: Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
okay, okay, i'll give you some of that! But surely you can't defend that scene in the second flick when conan defeats the wizard by smashing all his mirrors! Was that corny or what? And what kind of idiot wizard lets a guy with a big A sword into a room full of breakable glass that's the source of his power?! When you say you soured on Howard, is that due to a deeper realization of his racist views? -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blasphemy!!! LOL. Conan did stuff like that in the books all the time. Conan, Tarzan, Doc Savage and other peak humans regularly perform flatout seemingly superhuman feats so those have never bugged me. The only thing that bugged me about the movies was the origin story. Conan as a placid slave/gladiator didn't mesh with the book version of a wild, skinny youth who: -Was part of the Cimmerian army that sacked Venarium when he was 15. It was a pivotal battle in that universe and only time the Cimmerians were united as an army. The destruction of Venarium stopped the Aquilonians from expanding into Cimmeria. -Was captured by the Hyperboreans and enslaved. This lead to his life long hatred of them. -Escaped into the wilderness and promptly started killing zombie kings, demi-gods, frost giants and the like. Another nitpick: Thulsa Doom was a Kull villain and was totally different than his movie namesake. Thoth-Amon was Conan's great nemesis. As you can see I devoured that stuff when I was a kid. When I grew up and found out more about Robert E. howard it dampened my love for the stories. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both Conan movie finales. In the first Conan flick (which I love) i thought Conan overcoming Thulsa Doom's mental control to chop off his head was anticlimactic. He wobbled for a bit, then starts swinging the sword. Always feel let down by that one. And in Conan the Destroyer, the fight with the god at the end is just laughable. With the obvious fake lightning and thunder (stagehands flickering the lights and hitting metal sheets with hammers) Conan jumps on the underworld creature and literally tears its mouth open to kill it. Supposed to be a big deal, but seemed stupid to me. Who's he supposed to be, Hercules? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction movies. So far two were raised. They are: 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star Trek Next Generation 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in Independence Day Got any others Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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that's my point. I liked movies and books about people my age, but a good scifi/fantasy film starring old folks would draw me just as much. And sometimes I like older characters because I like to see some of the experience, wisdom, or world-weariness they can bring to a role, while still being effective and vigorous. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] good assessment. Since I was in the target demographic at the time, I remember being drawn to those movies. Please note: most were a disappointment and did not compare to my favs which were Hitchcock, Barbara Stanwick, Jimmy Stewart, Betty Davis, Glenn Ford, Ida Lupino, Sofia Loren, Henry Fonda, Charleton Heston, Joan Crawford, type of movies. Ironically, all those people were in the wrong demographic. So, we should be blaming John Hughes, huh? Mike Street wrote: This pretty much started with the 80's moves that started Molly Ringwald and the likes in the Brat Pack. Those movies where so popular that more and more of them started to be turned out as marketers saw a new market as the baby boomers started getting older and older. We can move forward to Gen X, Gen Y, and now the MySpace/YouTube Gen where all of the money is being made and spent. It all has to do with where you should be spending your ad dollars at. Right now the big spend is all for online social media and that demographic is mainly 18-25. On Dec 28, 2007 8:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: see, that's what confuses me. When i was younger, i of course related to films and TV shows that had people close to my age. But at the same time, i absolutely enjoyed movies and shows that had people significantly older than i was then. i didn't have an issue when i was 19 watching a James Bond who was clearly in his late '30s or early '40s. Didn't complain about Kirk being 34-which is old to some---when i was only 14. Never said McCoy is too old about Bones. Even in the comic world back in the day, the typical age for many superheroes was around 28, some a bit younger like Peter Parker, some a bit older like Stephen Strange or Reed Richards. But still, that's darn close to 30 and i never had a problem with it. Now, the likes of Alias, Buffy, and others seems to focus more on kids 18 - 25, with 25 being at the high end. And contrast Wonder Woman, where Lynda Carter was 25 when the series started, with Joss Whedon's goal when he was on the project to craft a Wonder Woman barel y out of her teens. I went back and looked at classic action and scifi films from back in the day. From The Towering Inferno and The Poseidon Adventure to The Omega Man and Bullitt. In many, many of those old films--which set the standard for their day--the stars were typically middle-aged. I found ranges from early 30s on the low end to mid-50s in the likes of Ernest Borgnine and Paul Newman. There were of course youngsters, but even the lesser known stars in these films are about a decade older than the characters Abrams and crew seem to favor. So what changed? Is it just the likes of Abrams and Joss Whedon who love the younger stars? Is Hollywood more focused on younger stars because kids have more disposable income nowadays and thus support movies with these characters more? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ain't gonna happen. It seems to me, he is keeping to the studio demographic formula applied in Star Trek. Maybe some of the supporting characters will be a little older. Let's face it. Most of us over 28 are not going to the theatre every week, where the initial bulk of a studios money is made. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, though i still wonder, why is Abrams so fascinated with young people. all the main stars in Cloverfield seem to be in their early to mid-20s. Even the little blurb I read describes it as Five young New Yorkers. Hopefully, like with Lost, there'll be some old fogies my age who get meaty roles! -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] maybe he is returning to his roots as a master storyteller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer for Cloverfield, the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, Alias, MI-3, Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk about a suspenseful buildup! Seeing the freakin' Statue of Liberty's head come sailing through the air *all the way from the water* to crash into the street? Awesome. There's also a scene showing the military firing like crazy at something we never see. It reminds me of the great scene in Spieldberg's War of the Worlds when the military attacks the Martians on that hillside and the whole area literally lights up with weapons fire. The
Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for Cloverfield
and 18 -25 year olds only watch movies staring others their age? Wasn't that way when I was 18 - 25? That's up there with boys only watch movies about boys and whites only watch movies staring whites (and Will Smith) -- Original message -- From: Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] This pretty much started with the 80's moves that started Molly Ringwald and the likes in the Brat Pack. Those movies where so popular that more and more of them started to be turned out as marketers saw a new market as the baby boomers started getting older and older. We can move forward to Gen X, Gen Y, and now the MySpace/YouTube Gen where all of the money is being made and spent. It all has to do with where you should be spending your ad dollars at. Right now the big spend is all for online social media and that demographic is mainly 18-25. On Dec 28, 2007 8:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: see, that's what confuses me. When i was younger, i of course related to films and TV shows that had people close to my age. But at the same time, i absolutely enjoyed movies and shows that had people significantly older than i was then. i didn't have an issue when i was 19 watching a James Bond who was clearly in his late '30s or early '40s. Didn't complain about Kirk being 34-which is old to some---when i was only 14. Never said McCoy is too old about Bones. Even in the comic world back in the day, the typical age for many superheroes was around 28, some a bit younger like Peter Parker, some a bit older like Stephen Strange or Reed Richards. But still, that's darn close to 30 and i never had a problem with it. Now, the likes of Alias, Buffy, and others seems to focus more on kids 18 - 25, with 25 being at the high end. And contrast Wonder Woman, where Lynda Carter was 25 when the series started, with Joss Whedon's goal when he was on the project to craft a Wonder Woman barel y out of her teens. I went back and looked at classic action and scifi films from back in the day. From The Towering Inferno and The Poseidon Adventure to The Omega Man and Bullitt. In many, many of those old films--which set the standard for their day--the stars were typically middle-aged. I found ranges from early 30s on the low end to mid-50s in the likes of Ernest Borgnine and Paul Newman. There were of course youngsters, but even the lesser known stars in these films are about a decade older than the characters Abrams and crew seem to favor. So what changed? Is it just the likes of Abrams and Joss Whedon who love the younger stars? Is Hollywood more focused on younger stars because kids have more disposable income nowadays and thus support movies with these characters more? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ain't gonna happen. It seems to me, he is keeping to the studio demographic formula applied in Star Trek. Maybe some of the supporting characters will be a little older. Let's face it. Most of us over 28 are not going to the theatre every week, where the initial bulk of a studios money is made. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, though i still wonder, why is Abrams so fascinated with young people. all the main stars in Cloverfield seem to be in their early to mid-20s. Even the little blurb I read describes it as Five young New Yorkers. Hopefully, like with Lost, there'll be some old fogies my age who get meaty roles! -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] maybe he is returning to his roots as a master storyteller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer for Cloverfield, the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, Alias, MI-3, Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk about a suspenseful buildup! Seeing the freakin' Statue of Liberty's head come sailing through the air *all the way from the water* to crash into the street? Awesome. There's also a scene showing the military firing like crazy at something we never see. It reminds me of the great scene in Spieldberg's War of the Worlds when the military attacks the Martians on that hillside and the whole area literally lights up with weapons fire. The Apple site has two trailers. The one labeled trailer is longer and shows more stuff. it's the one you'll see at many other sites. The one labeled teaser gives a slightly different angle. Check 'em out. If you can't see the Apple trailers, try the second link below, which is to a MovieWeb page with lots of videos, including a two second glimpse of the monster (can't see a darn thing, though). Hard to find a lot of stuff on this film, as there's no real officiall movie site, but i included some info from a blogger below the trailers. If nothing else, Abrams knows how to tell an exciting,
Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for Cloverfield
i hear you, it's just odd. I spent some time looking at all kinds of action/fantasy/scifi movies and TV shows from when I was younger. Did a lot of Star Trek research of course. The vast majority of the men and women in many roles are in their late 20s to late '30s. There doesn't seem to be a youth-oriented push, other than if you start counting stuff like the Beach movies with Frankie and Annette. Even the Star Trek vixens of the week were often around 25 and older. I guess the rise of Generation X or Y or Zeta or whatever has got the suits doing the calculations, as you said. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I remember feeling the same when I was young. I did not need every character to be young like me, however, if truth be told I did relate more to the younger characters. But in our world people are different ages, so it felt like something of our world. It felt right. Not every part seems to fit someone in their mid-twenties. I think they did surveys and focus groups with the people who were the most frequent movie goers and uncovered that most of the related more closely to those closer to their age and perhaps were more motivated to go see a movie with characters closer to their age and as a result, 60% of all movies feature characters in their mid-twenties. Ugh... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: see, that's what confuses me. When i was younger, i of course related to films and TV shows that had people close to my age. But at the same time, i absolutely enjoyed movies and shows that had people significantly older than i was then. i didn't have an issue when i was 19 watching a James Bond who was clearly in his late '30s or early '40s. Didn't complain about Kirk being 34-which is old to some---when i was only 14. Never said McCoy is too old about Bones. Even in the comic world back in the day, the typical age for many superheroes was around 28, some a bit younger like Peter Parker, some a bit older like Stephen Strange or Reed Richards. But still, that's darn close to 30 and i never had a problem with it. Now, the likes of Alias, Buffy, and others seems to focus more on kids 18 - 25, with 25 being at the high end. And contrast Wonder Woman, where Lynda Carter was 25 when the series started, with Joss Whedon's goal when he was on the project to craft a Wonder Woman barel y out of her teens. I went back and looked at classic action and scifi films from back in the day. From The Towering Inferno and The Poseidon Adventure to The Omega Man and Bullitt. In many, many of those old films--which set the standard for their day--the stars were typically middle-aged. I found ranges from early 30s on the low end to mid-50s in the likes of Ernest Borgnine and Paul Newman. There were of course youngsters, but even the lesser known stars in these films are about a decade older than the characters Abrams and crew seem to favor. So what changed? Is it just the likes of Abrams and Joss Whedon who love the younger stars? Is Hollywood more focused on younger stars because kids have more disposable income nowadays and thus support movies with these characters more? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ain't gonna happen. It seems to me, he is keeping to the studio demographic formula applied in Star Trek. Maybe some of the supporting characters will be a little older. Let's face it. Most of us over 28 are not going to the theatre every week, where the initial bulk of a studios money is made. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, though i still wonder, why is Abrams so fascinated with young people. all the main stars in Cloverfield seem to be in their early to mid-20s. Even the little blurb I read describes it as Five young New Yorkers. Hopefully, like with Lost, there'll be some old fogies my age who get meaty roles! -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] maybe he is returning to his roots as a master storyteller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer for Cloverfield, the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, Alias, MI-3, Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk about a suspenseful buildup! Seeing the freakin' Statue of Liberty's head come sailing through the air *all the way from the water* to crash into the street? Awesome. There's also a scene showing the military firing like crazy at something we never see. It reminds me of the great scene in Spieldberg's War of the Worlds when the military attacks the Martians on that hillside and the whole area literally lights up with weapons fire. The Apple site has two trailers. The one labeled trailer is longer and shows
Re: [scifinoir2] Conan was Re: Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
I know little about Lovecraft other than references to him in everything from Clive Barker's work to the Real Ghostbusters cartoon. He was a bigot? I heard that about Jack London, but didn't know it was that bad. -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Agreed on that scene and yes Howard's views soured me on his work. He may not have been a rabid racist like H. P. Lovecraft or Jackkk London but he was a man of his time. Plus his close friendship with that repugnant troll Lovecraft raised all sorts of flags. He actually had some decent black characters and Conan never showed a shred of racist behavior on page but I can't really get past his personal views. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: okay, okay, i'll give you some of that! But surely you can't defend that scene in the second flick when conan defeats the wizard by smashing all his mirrors! Was that corny or what? And what kind of idiot wizard lets a guy with a big A sword into a room full of breakable glass that's the source of his power?! When you say you soured on Howard, is that due to a deeper realization of his racist views? -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blasphemy!!! LOL. Conan did stuff like that in the books all the time. Conan, Tarzan, Doc Savage and other peak humans regularly perform flatout seemingly superhuman feats so those have never bugged me. The only thing that bugged me about the movies was the origin story. Conan as a placid slave/gladiator didn't mesh with the book version of a wild, skinny youth who: -Was part of the Cimmerian army that sacked Venarium when he was 15. It was a pivotal battle in that universe and only time the Cimmerians were united as an army. The destruction of Venarium stopped the Aquilonians from expanding into Cimmeria. -Was captured by the Hyperboreans and enslaved. This lead to his life long hatred of them. -Escaped into the wilderness and promptly started killing zombie kings, demi-gods, frost giants and the like. Another nitpick: Thulsa Doom was a Kull villain and was totally different than his movie namesake. Thoth-Amon was Conan's great nemesis. As you can see I devoured that stuff when I was a kid. When I grew up and found out more about Robert E. howard it dampened my love for the stories. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Both Conan movie finales. In the first Conan flick (which I love) i thought Conan overcoming Thulsa Doom's mental control to chop off his head was anticlimactic. He wobbled for a bit, then starts swinging the sword. Always feel let down by that one. And in Conan the Destroyer, the fight with the god at the end is just laughable. With the obvious fake lightning and thunder (stagehands flickering the lights and hitting metal sheets with hammers) Conan jumps on the underworld creature and literally tears its mouth open to kill it. Supposed to be a big deal, but seemed stupid to me. Who's he supposed to be, Hercules? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction movies. So far two were raised. They are: 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star Trek Next Generation 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in Independence Day Got any others Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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true, or maybe i'm just a contrarian! -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe the likelihood of the movie earning more money is raised with those demographics - or maybe our culture is just youth obsessed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and 18 -25 year olds only watch movies staring others their age? Wasn't that way when I was 18 - 25? That's up there with boys only watch movies about boys and whites only watch movies staring whites (and Will Smith) -- Original message -- From: Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] This pretty much started with the 80's moves that started Molly Ringwald and the likes in the Brat Pack. Those movies where so popular that more and more of them started to be turned out as marketers saw a new market as the baby boomers started getting older and older. We can move forward to Gen X, Gen Y, and now the MySpace/YouTube Gen where all of the money is being made and spent. It all has to do with where you should be spending your ad dollars at. Right now the big spend is all for online social media and that demographic is mainly 18-25. On Dec 28, 2007 8:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: see, that's what confuses me. When i was younger, i of course related to films and TV shows that had people close to my age. But at the same time, i absolutely enjoyed movies and shows that had people significantly older than i was then. i didn't have an issue when i was 19 watching a James Bond who was clearly in his late '30s or early '40s. Didn't complain about Kirk being 34-which is old to some---when i was only 14. Never said McCoy is too old about Bones. Even in the comic world back in the day, the typical age for many superheroes was around 28, some a bit younger like Peter Parker, some a bit older like Stephen Strange or Reed Richards. But still, that's darn close to 30 and i never had a problem with it. Now, the likes of Alias, Buffy, and others seems to focus more on kids 18 - 25, with 25 being at the high end. And contrast Wonder Woman, where Lynda Carter was 25 when the series started, with Joss Whedon's goal when he was on the project to craft a Wonder Woman barel y out of her teens. I went back and looked at classic action and scifi films from back in the day. From The Towering Inferno and The Poseidon Adventure to The Omega Man and Bullitt. In many, many of those old films--which set the standard for their day--the stars were typically middle-aged. I found ranges from early 30s on the low end to mid-50s in the likes of Ernest Borgnine and Paul Newman. There were of course youngsters, but even the lesser known stars in these films are about a decade older than the characters Abrams and crew seem to favor. So what changed? Is it just the likes of Abrams and Joss Whedon who love the younger stars? Is Hollywood more focused on younger stars because kids have more disposable income nowadays and thus support movies with these characters more? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ain't gonna happen. It seems to me, he is keeping to the studio demographic formula applied in Star Trek. Maybe some of the supporting characters will be a little older. Let's face it. Most of us over 28 are not going to the theatre every week, where the initial bulk of a studios money is made. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, though i still wonder, why is Abrams so fascinated with young people. all the main stars in Cloverfield seem to be in their early to mid-20s. Even the little blurb I read describes it as Five young New Yorkers. Hopefully, like with Lost, there'll be some old fogies my age who get meaty roles! -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] maybe he is returning to his roots as a master storyteller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer for Cloverfield, the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, Alias, MI-3, Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk about a suspenseful buildup! Seeing the freakin' Statue of Liberty's head come sailing through the air *all the way from the water* to crash into the street? Awesome. There's also a scene showing the military firing like crazy at something we never see. It reminds me of the great scene in Spieldberg's War of the Worlds when the military attacks the Martians on that hillside and the whole area literally lights up with weapons fire. The Apple site has two trailers. The one labeled trailer is longer and shows more stuff. it's the one you'll see at many other sites. The one labeled teaser gives a slightly different angle. Check 'em out. If you can't see the Apple trailers, try the second
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Omega MAn
no, refresh my memory on that one... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pondering on this, Keith, I'm reminded that, in a sense, Heston has taken this into real life. From my cold dead fingers. Ring a bell? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've only seen The Omega Man on network TV, so that scene was cut. I remember liking the movie, and shaking my head at the ending. You ever notice how many times in movies Heston died at the end, but in a noble, martyr-like way? In Omega man, he looks like nothing so much as Christ on the Cross at the end. He also had a bloody, dramatic death in one of the Planet of the Apes films. Indeed, isn't he the one who setoff the Earth-destroying nuke in his death throes? And then there's El Cid, where he dies at the end, yet is tied to his horse so that his body, riding onward on the battlefield, can continue to inspire his men. My wife and I always laugh at Heston in such roles... -- Original message -- From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am a big fan of Omega Man. The late, great Rosalind Cash plays the sassy black girl. Although she remains too thin for my taste, in 1971, when I was fifteen years old, her brief nude scene sho nuff ruled my world. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watched Omega Man and The Last Man on Earth yesterday via Netflix. All very good movies. I like Omega Man cause of the sassy blk girl Lisa. But I can see how they mashed both versions of the movies together to create the Will Smith movie. But see how I Am Legend is much more developed then the previous versions. If anyone is interested there is also a good movie that comes with The Last Man on Earth DVD called Panic in Year Zero. It was a really good film. No zombies but a good look at how if bombs hit people will go nuts. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Omega MAn
now i remember! -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] When Heston was president of the NRA, he gave a now-famous/infamous speech with regard to his right to keep and bear arms. Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NRA... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, refresh my memory on that one... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pondering on this, Keith, I'm reminded that, in a sense, Heston has taken this into real life. From my cold dead fingers. Ring a bell? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've only seen The Omega Man on network TV, so that scene was cut. I remember liking the movie, and shaking my head at the ending. You ever notice how many times in movies Heston died at the end, but in a noble, martyr-like way? In Omega man, he looks like nothing so much as Christ on the Cross at the end. He also had a bloody, dramatic death in one of the Planet of the Apes films. Indeed, isn't he the one who setoff the Earth-destroying nuke in his death throes? And then there's El Cid, where he dies at the end, yet is tied to his horse so that his body, riding onward on the battlefield, can continue to inspire his men. My wife and I always laugh at Heston in such roles... -- Original message -- From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am a big fan of Omega Man. The late, great Rosalind Cash plays the sassy black girl. Although she remains too thin for my taste, in 1971, when I was fifteen years old, her brief nude scene sho nuff ruled my world. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watched Omega Man and The Last Man on Earth yesterday via Netflix. All very good movies. I like Omega Man cause of the sassy blk girl Lisa. But I can see how they mashed both versions of the movies together to create the Will Smith movie. But see how I Am Legend is much more developed then the previous versions. If anyone is interested there is also a good movie that comes with The Last Man on Earth DVD called Panic in Year Zero. It was a really good film. No zombies but a good look at how if bombs hit people will go nuts. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Ill only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really dont want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for Cloverfield
:) -- Original message -- From: Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think we have the basis for a new political party! The Contrarian Party... Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:26 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for Cloverfield Well then I'm one too, because I agree with much that you say KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: true, or maybe i'm just a contrarian! -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com aladvantage.com Maybe the likelihood of the movie earning more money is raised with those demographics - or maybe our culture is just youth obsessed KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: and 18 -25 year olds only watch movies staring others their age? Wasn't that way when I was 18 - 25? That's up there with boys only watch movies about boys and whites only watch movies staring whites (and Will Smith) -- Original message -- From: Mike Street streetforce1@ mailto:streetforce1%40gmail.com gmail.com This pretty much started with the 80's moves that started Molly Ringwald and the likes in the Brat Pack. Those movies where so popular that more and more of them started to be turned out as marketers saw a new market as the baby boomers started getting older and older. We can move forward to Gen X, Gen Y, and now the MySpace/YouTube Gen where all of the money is being made and spent. It all has to do with where you should be spending your ad dollars at. Right now the big spend is all for online social media and that demographic is mainly 18-25. On Dec 28, 2007 8:28 AM, KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: see, that's what confuses me. When i was younger, i of course related to films and TV shows that had people close to my age. But at the same time, i absolutely enjoyed movies and shows that had people significantly older than i was then. i didn't have an issue when i was 19 watching a James Bond who was clearly in his late '30s or early '40s. Didn't complain about Kirk being 34-which is old to some---when i was only 14. Never said McCoy is too old about Bones. Even in the comic world back in the day, the typical age for many superheroes was around 28, some a bit younger like Peter Parker, some a bit older like Stephen Strange or Reed Richards. But still, that's darn close to 30 and i never had a problem with it. Now, the likes of Alias, Buffy, and others seems to focus more on kids 18 - 25, with 25 being at the high end. And contrast Wonder Woman, where Lynda Carter was 25 when the series started, with Joss Whedon's goal when he was on the project to craft a Wonder Woman barel y out of her teens. I went back and looked at classic action and scifi films from back in the day. From The Towering Inferno and The Poseidon Adventure to The Omega Man and Bullitt. In many, many of those old films--which set the standard for their day--the stars were typically middle-aged. I found ranges from early 30s on the low end to mid-50s in the likes of Ernest Borgnine and Paul Newman. There were of course youngsters, but even the lesser known stars in these films are about a decade older than the characters Abrams and crew seem to favor. So what changed? Is it just the likes of Abrams and Joss Whedon who love the younger stars? Is Hollywood more focused on younger stars because kids have more disposable income nowadays and thus support movies with these characters more? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com aladvantage.com ain't gonna happen. It seems to me, he is keeping to the studio demographic formula applied in Star Trek. Maybe some of the supporting characters will be a little older. Let's face it. Most of us over 28 are not going to the theatre every week, where the initial bulk of a studios money is made. KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: yeah, though i still wonder, why is Abrams so fascinated with young people. all the main stars in Cloverfield seem to be in their early to mid-20s. Even the little blurb I read describes it as Five young New Yorkers. Hopefully, like with Lost, there'll be some old fogies my age who get meaty roles! -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly
Re: [scifinoir2] SF Movies coming Up in 2008 - Vin Diesel
I think Diesel is trying to establish himself, and as you said, maybe some ego got in the way. Yet, he did that family-friendly flick where he was agent having to babysit a family, so surely that was just to please the crowd and make some dough (a la Eddie Murphy). A Man Apart was pretty good, but not spectacular. I sometimes think Diesel is from the Kevin Costner/Wesley Snipes school: they aim high, trying to make big, epic, soaring pictures (Waterworld, The Postman), or high-octane action flicks (Murder at 1600, others) that don't always do as well as hoped. So people then see the movies and the actors as just average. While the actors are aiming high and big, the audience seems them as just average. Some actors seem to have built in likability/visability/studio support, and get attention that frankly may be out of proportion to their abilities (Schwarzenegger, Will Smith) but they make it work. Arnold had his weightlifting background, and the good sense to team up with Camero n (Terminator) and DeLaurentis (Conan) to help get him going. Smith had the Fresh Prince background, and a couple of crowd-pleasing hits (Bad Boys, Men in Black) to get his visibility. Is it that Diesel and Snipes aren't as good/likeable as Arnold and Smith, did they make worse choices, rush their careers too fast, or haven't been as lucky? One thing I will say about Diesel: The Chronicles of Riddick is one of the closest disappointments i've seen in recent years. That trailers promised a soaring epic, a scifi film to stand on the same level as LOTR and in the scifi world, we haven't had that in ages. And will i love The Chronicles of Riddick, everytime I see it I realize it falls short of the glory Diesel intended. So many great moments, such great background and setup, but spoiled by a beginning and middle that's too much cliched scifi. By the time they really try to bring in the mythos and otherworldliness of the Necromongers, it's too late. I think that's the film that could have put him on the road to Arnold territory, but it just missed the mark. Too bad, 'cause I really wanted to see a third film too, the second was so damn good in spots... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I liked both Pitch black and the sequel. After Pitch Black and Boiler Room, I thought he was really going places. I guess his career sorta fizzled Mike Street wrote: yeah Vin is doing an animated Hannibal for BET and looks like he might be in another Fast and Furious flick. But i think that franchise is pretty much dead. So looks like he is trying to rebuild his career with Hannibal as an epic movie. But I think he was at his best in Boiler Room. That was the only movie I ever really liked him in. On Dec 29, 2007 12:03 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding Vin. I think there was room for both. i think him, his ego and his decisions about watch movies to do killed it. Mike Street wrote: I feel sorry for Vin Diesel cause he was gonna be the next big action star. Then The Rock came along and pretty much killed his career. There are some good movies on this list. Lots of stuff I wanna see and a lot of stuff I will never watch. Narina is gonna do big number and I'm glad they are doing the books justice. I watched the British version and I think they are doing an excellent job. I just wanna know what will happen after the 3rd book. Cause the kids can't come back to Narina after the Silver Chair. On Dec 29, 2007 8:44 AM, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One Missed Call- sums it up perfectly. In The Name of the King- it'll probably flop, but I'll pay to see Statham go medieval on someone's a$$. (pun fully intended) Cloverfield- the young'uns will make it happen. Teeth- doubt it'll have any bite. Untraaceable- I think it's got a great chance, in the Internet-voyeur era. Jumper- another one for the kids. If it's done right, it might pick up some of the adults who read the book. The Spiderwick Chronicles- my niece and her friends have been talking this one up since it was announced last year. Based on that, I'll say yes. The Signal- One Missed Call again. Cancellation effect. Babylon A.D- no. Not even with the Big Diesel in front. The Water Horse- I've heard that this one's not really even for kids, that it as a few bits that might spook the younger kids. If my scuttlebutt is right, then I think it'll draw the first weekend, then tail off as word of mouth gets out. 10,000 B.C.- only if Raquel does a cameo. The Forbidden Kingdom- it might recover its money, but I don't see it going big big big. Iron Man- if it doesn't do well, it'll be because they refused to let the Technonerdati in the door. Prince Caspian- ditto. I wasn't expecting much out of the first Narnia movie, and
Re: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(
i'm still skeptical. Roger Ebert says your mouth hangs open--at how preposterous the movie is. Question: just because the stars are over 30, does that mean the movie is then for the 30+ audience? Can't youngsters in their 20s still go? That was my question to Tracey earlier: when I was in my early 20's I didn't stay away from a good action flick simply because the stars were in their 30s or 40s. -- Original message -- From: Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] I saw National Treasure 2 last night and it was good actually. I'm pretty much into anything that involves puzzles and decoding something. I play a lot of turn based card games, and I enter just about any online contest that involves puzzle solving. My favorite online puzzle contest was the Da Vinic Code. It was really well done. But NT2 was wayyy better then the first one. And it was cross generational so not all movie are youth obsessed. This one was totally for the 30+ audience. The young people in this movie only played a minor role. You can't make Nick Cage look younger then 35 esp. with the hair plugs he's got going on. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(
ever had a Meyers-Briggs analysis done on you? You sound like an introvert, which is not, as some think, a 'wall flower. Simply means you get a lot of energy internally, that you like to analyze things. Extroverts simply get more energy externally, from other people, but doesn't mean they're always running around with lamp shades on their heads at parties. I'm a strong extrovert: going to the mall on Black Friday gets me pumped and hyper like a kid. I'm never bored in an airport 'cause I almost OD on watching people. I do have difficulty not speaking into silence (you called it talking just to talk). But by the same token, once my batteries are charged, I have to get away from people to think and analyze or write. But then I have to be back among the mading crowd. I've taken Meyers Briggs tests three times. I'm a strong ENFP: Extroverted - Getting psychic/mental/emotional/spiritual energy from others instead of internally (as opposed to Introverted, getting energy from within) Intuitive - making lots of leaps in thought and creativity based on the gut or inspiration (as opposed to Sensers, who need hard facts to fuel the process) Feeling - ruled by emotions and passions, going with what feels right (as opposed to Thinkers, who analyze things and tend to rely on logic more) Perceiving - filter the world based on what I feel and how things should be (right and wrong), wanting to fluidly adjust circumstances to individuals' needs, strongly ruled by a sense of right (as opposed to Judgers, who tend to be more rigid, less focused on right and wrong , but on what's fair for all, tending to want a set of rules that apply as well as possible to the masses, with little emotion to change them. not prone to want to change laws or rules willy-nilly) so of course, being fueled by emotions and passions and feelings, and a cosmic sense of right and wrong, I majored in electrical engineering in college and now work as a network administrator. According to all tests (and my feelings) i should have been a writer, journalist, musician, public relations person--or a minister. Which is why I wrtie more posts than anyone except maybe Martin, why I'm long winded, why I'm always ranting about something being wrong in the universe. :) -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Wife and I are strikingly different. She is a heavy extrovert and prone to being the life of a party. Her skills as a former model, multiple pageant winner, on-air personality (radio), television host, etc. make it seem effortless. She turns it on like flicking a switch at parties and public events. I prefer to be behind the scenes a bit more. In the office, I have to make an effort to self-promote as my natural tendency is to let my work speak for itself while I get trampled by those who underperform, yet have mastered the art of self-promotion (I believe Keith posted similar sentiments a few months ago). Through my websites and as a media contact for Veterans for Common Sense, I've done several TV and radio appearances and a lot of print media interviews, but only reluctantly. I've turned down more than I've accepted. I much prefer to let my written words speak for me via my writings. Over the next few years, I'll be putting out a book related to some of advocacy work, which will require active PR and appearances. (sigh) At social events, while The Wife is on and entertaining, I prefer to relax in a quiet corner, nursing my drink with a friend or two. I'm the guy you think is not having fun, but I'm really analyzing the guests and storing data about who I've met or talked with that night. At home, I need that quiet time with a book or my laptop. Or at a coffee shop for a bit on the way home from work. My blog and commentary persona are nothing like my meatspace personality. I'm not shy. I just prefer to observe and think. I hate small talk and refuse to speak just for the sake of speaking. When I do speak, it is because I have something real to add to the conversation. I abhor hoopla and I suck at entertaining. I'm not the guy screaming his head off at sporting events or concerts. If you see me at a concert, it'll likely be a more intimate club like the Birchmere - listening to a band, sipping a margarita - just enjoying the music. And I hate being asked if something is wrong. __ James Landrith [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 703-593-2065 * fax: 760-875-8547 AIM: jlnales * ICQ: 148600159 MSN and Yahoo! Messenger: jlandrith http://www.linkedin.com/in/jlandrith http://www.jameslandrith.com http://www.multiracial.com http://www.multiracial.com/abolitionist/ __ Tracey said: My husband has a split reclusive/ social personality as well. So, we encourage each other to get alone time. This was especially important when we were working with the business full-time. You are so
RE: [scifinoir2] Plug Pulled on Netscape Navigator
This makes me very angry. My first foray into the Net was with AOL, which I loved for a while. Once I tired of it, I got MindSpring, an Atlanta-based company which later merged with Earthlink. Mindspring's browser of choice was Netscape Navigator. I loved everything about Netscape: the way you could easily copy/paste its list of saved URLs to another computer...the way you could do the same with its Address book...the interface that let you quickly see what plugins the browser had and what function they fulfilled...and especially, a little feature (whose name escapes me) that allowed you to put the same URL in several different folders without having to do a copy/paste. This was a great device for me, as some links fit in more than one category. Black Ameria Web, for example, goes in both my Black Culture and Audio Sites folders. Best of all, Netscape was powerful, easy to use, well laid out, and not a major drain on computer resources. Then Bill Gates decided to give away Internet Explorer for free. I can't stand people who can't compete fairly, and this was a major example of Gates just cheating far as i'm concerned. Worse, like so many of microsoft's moves, Gates actually pushed *inferiour* software on is in the form of IE. Most of Microsoft's major products and functionality over the years have been inferiour to the competition, but money, power, dirty tactics, and market penetrability have won the day. AOL destroyed Netscape, however, and i quit using it after that. I don't use Firefox for the simple reason that my main computer is a company laptop and i don't want anyone geting on me about it. I will use Firefox on the next home machine I build. Saddest of all is that Netscape's demise will be largely unheralded and unremarked. Most people the world around will not remember there was a better alternative to IE, won't remember yet another example of how Gates squashed creativity and innovation for greed, and won't realize just how free our choices are in this world. Very, very sad news... -- Original message -- From: Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a Firefox guy myself. I keep IE7 on my machine, but it's got dust on it. I DID buy something from Microsoft that I love, though. Windows Live OneCare. It does my virus, spyware and firewall protection, defrags my drives, backs up my drives, and a couple of other things. Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ravenadal Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 10:27 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Plug Pulled on Netscape Navigator I have always hated Microsoft Explorer (I currently use Firefox) but I was big Netscape fan until AOL bought it and did what it did to Time Warner. ~(no)rave! http://www.foxnews. http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Dec28/0,4670,NetscapeRIP,00.html com/wires/2007Dec28/0,4670,NetscapeRIP,00.html AOL Pulls Plug on Netscape Web Browser Friday, December 28, 2007 By ANICK JESDANUN, AP Internet Writer NEW YORK - Netscape Navigator, the world's first commercial Web browser and the launch pad of the Internet boom, will be pulled off life support Feb. 1 after a 13-year run. Its current caretakers, Time Warner Inc.'s AOL, decided to kill further development and technical support to focus on growing the company as an advertising business. Netscape's usage dwindled with Microsoft Corp.'s entry into the browser business, and Netscape all but faded away following the birth of its open-source cousin, Firefox. While internal groups within AOL have invested a great deal of time and energy in attempting to revive Netscape Navigator, these efforts have not been successful in gaining market share from Microsoft's Internet Explorer, Netscape Director Tom Drapeau wrote in a blog entry Friday. In recent years, Netscape has been little more than a repackaged version of the more popular Firefox, which commands about 10 percent of the Web browser market, with almost all of the rest going to Internet Explorer. People will still be able to download and use the Netscape browser indefinitely, but AOL will stop releasing security and other updates on Feb. 1. Drapeau recommended that the small pool of Netscape users download Firefox instead. A separate Netscape Web portal, which has had several incarnations in recent years, will continue to operate. The World Wide Web was but a few years old when in April 1993 a team at the University of Illinois' National Center for Supercomputing Applications released Mosaic, the first Web browser to integrate images and sound with words. Before Mosaic, access to the Internet and the Web was largely limited to text, with any graphics displayed in separate
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Omega MAn/Charleston Heston
You know, i've always liked Heston. Yeah, he's a conservative, and his NRA rhetoric got on my nerves. But he is one of those old-school actors who always said what he felt. He didn't dissemble or demure for fear of damaging his career and rep: he told it like it was. Heston did a wide range of films, being fortunate enough to work back in the days when Biblical epics were considered as valid as cop dramas. And he crossed into scifi at a time when some major stars shied away from it as too silly for them. Heston also spoke out against segregation and racism when he was younger, back when many stars refused to get involved. He marched with Dr. King. (see wiki entry below). Now later in life he became more conservative, attacked political correctness, and was against affirmative action. I think like a lot of white guys, the reality of having to *work* for a *long time* to ensure equality was more and scarier than he thought when he was marching and speaking out. (Lot of white folk have fatigue with our issues; i guess they think 30 years of half-ass equality more than makes up for going on 400 years of oppression). Despite his swing to the right, though, I still like Heston. I guess he seems like one of those old school real men whose attitudes i often abhor, but whose courage and forthrightness i can respect. If only their powers could be used for good and all... From wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleton_Heston In his earlier years, Heston was a liberal Democrat, campaigning for Presidential candidates Adlai Stevenson in 1956 and John F. Kennedy in 1960. A civil rights activist, he accompanied Martin Luther King Jr. during the civil rights march held in Washington, D.C. in 1963, even going so far as to wear a sign that read All Men Are Created Equal. Heston later claimed it a point of pride that he helped in the civil rights cause long before Hollywood found it fashionable, as he often says in his speeches. Heston had also planned to campaign for Lyndon Johnson, but was unable to do so when filming on Major Dundee went over schedule. In 1968, following the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, Heston appeared on The Joey Bishop Show and, along with fellow actors Gregory Peck, Kirk Douglas and James Stewart, called for public support for President Johnson's Gun Control Act of 1968. He later claimed he was young and foolish.[citation needed] In 1969, Heston was asked by some Dem ocrats to run for the California State Senate, a move that would have likely had bipartisan support in the state.[citation needed] He declined because he wanted to continue acting. He was also an opponent of McCarthyism and racial segregation, which he saw as only helping the cause of Communism worldwide. He opposed the Vietnam War and considered Richard Nixon a disaster for America. He turned down John Wayne's offer of a role in The Alamo, because the film was a right-wing allegory for the Cold War. By the 1980s, however, Heston had began to support more conservative positions on such issues as affirmative action and gun rights. Heston changed his registration from Democrat to Republican. He has campaigned for Republican candidates and Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sad :( Martin wrote: Yes, Tracey, he has. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hasn't he retired from public life as a result of Alzheimer's? Astromancer wrote: NRA... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, refresh my memory on that one... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pondering on this, Keith, I'm reminded that, in a sense, Heston has taken this into real life. From my cold dead fingers. Ring a bell? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've only seen The Omega Man on network TV, so that scene was cut. I remember liking the movie, and shaking my head at the ending. You ever notice how many times in movies Heston died at the end, but in a noble, martyr-like way? In Omega man, he looks like nothing so much as Christ on the Cross at the end. He also had a bloody, dramatic death in one of the Planet of the Apes films. Indeed, isn't he the one who setoff the Earth-destroying nuke in his death throes? And then there's El Cid, where he dies at the end, yet is tied to his horse so that his body, riding onward on the battlefield, can continue to inspire his men. My wife and I always laugh at Heston in such roles... -- Original message -- From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am a big fan of Omega Man. The late, great Rosalind Cash plays the sassy black girl. Although she remains too thin for my taste, in 1971, when I was fifteen years old, her brief nude scene sho nuff ruled my world. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mike
Re: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(
Having to go to work everyday helped me, as there are some folks there I'm able to talk and joke with (none in my immediate group, unfortunately). Having gone through this before with my dad's death, and during a period when I was unemployed for a few months, I literally have been forcing myself to get up and out: going to movies, bookstores, going out to eat, hitting the gym. Christmas was the worst, because this is the first Christmas in a decade where I couldn't go back to Texas to be with family (had to work). it was sad and lonely being here in Atlanta, but again I forced myself to smile when I wanted to cry, to laugh when I wanted to yell. Having this group to talk to about stuff really helps too-more than you'd believe. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have struggled against the recluse thing ever since I had a lot of death in my immediate family. It is a hard habit to break. Fortunately during my worse periods I had pushy friends and family. Getting married and having a kid has forced me to resist these urges too. I do not want to inflict it on them. Reece Jennings wrote: I hear you! Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Astromancer Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:31 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :( I am becoming a hardcore recluse...I really don't like going out any more... Reece Jennings mcjennings124@ mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com yahoo.com wrote: I hear you. I'm not a crowd/life of the party type person either. I'm a party voyeur... Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyho http://www.legacyhomesavers.com mesavers.com http://www.legacyho http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ mesavers.com/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :( No, I'm eternally uncomfy in public sitches. I'm the guy who makes one round to make himself known to those I want to be known to, then finds a corner to cower in for the remainder of the party. Forty-three years of life it's taken me to find three people like myself. Reece Jennings mcjennings124@ mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com yahoo.com wrote: Do you still, Howard? I mean Martin? It seems to me that you'd be the one who is comfortable in any crowd. Are you comfortable but feeling different from others? I revel in being that way...now...LOL! Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyho http://www.legacyho http://www.legacyhomesavers.com mesavers.com mesavers.com http://www.legacyho http://www.legacyho http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ mesavers.com/ mesavers.com/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 1:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :( Forgot to add on the literal duck out of water premise, which I sympathize with daily. I've always felt out of place, even among the Technonerdati. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com aladvantage.com wrote: Wow! Thank you for making yourself vulnerable and opening up. Now the question you had to anticipate... why? Martin wrote: Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, darkest movie secrets. I love Howard the Duck. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com aladvantage.com wrote: Keith I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :( Martin wrote: But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my milieu! KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making National Treasure 2 the number one
Re: [scifinoir2] SF Movies coming Up in 2008
you think Dwayne Johnson--isn't that his given name? I hear he no longer wants to go by The Rock--killed Diesel's career? I didn't think so. Johnson has done well, but not gangbusters by any means. The Rundown was a good movie that established he has screen presence. I enjoyed it, but it didn't do major bucks. Walking Tall remake was panned by critics and didn't do all that well. His most recent movies where he was working with troubled youth as a football coach and the other one with little kids, did well, but again, not on the level of Will Smith or something. I don't know many people who flock to the theatre just because Johnson's the lead. I tend to think it's not that another bi-racial action star came out that hurt Diesel, I think it's just been his choice of films. He did a couple of films that weren't meant for big box office (one where he played a real life mob guy testifying against his cohorts was well reviewed, but little seen), and he hasn't been churning them out with great frequency. -- Original message -- From: Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] I feel sorry for Vin Diesel cause he was gonna be the next big action star. Then The Rock came along and pretty much killed his career. There are some good movies on this list. Lots of stuff I wanna see and a lot of stuff I will never watch. Narina is gonna do big number and I'm glad they are doing the books justice. I watched the British version and I think they are doing an excellent job. I just wanna know what will happen after the 3rd book. Cause the kids can't come back to Narina after the Silver Chair. On Dec 29, 2007 8:44 AM, Martin wrote: One Missed Call- sums it up perfectly. In The Name of the King- it'll probably flop, but I'll pay to see Statham go medieval on someone's a$$. (pun fully intended) Cloverfield- the young'uns will make it happen. Teeth- doubt it'll have any bite. Untraaceable- I think it's got a great chance, in the Internet-voyeur era. Jumper- another one for the kids. If it's done right, it might pick up some of the adults who read the book. The Spiderwick Chronicles- my niece and her friends have been talking this one up since it was announced last year. Based on that, I'll say yes. The Signal- One Missed Call again. Cancellation effect. Babylon A.D- no. Not even with the Big Diesel in front. The Water Horse- I've heard that this one's not really even for kids, that it as a few bits that might spook the younger kids. If my scuttlebutt is right, then I think it'll draw the first weekend, then tail off as word of mouth gets out. 10,000 B.C.- only if Raquel does a cameo. The Forbidden Kingdom- it might recover its money, but I don't see it going big big big. Iron Man- if it doesn't do well, it'll be because they refused to let the Technonerdati in the door. Prince Caspian- ditto. I wasn't expecting much out of the first Narnia movie, and was pleasantly surprised. Indiana Jones IV- if they offer Geritol at the door, they might recoup. Not even *I'm* game for this. And I *hate* Nazis... Starship Dave- no. Just no. No, I take that back. It'll probably do well, but I won't be there. Speed Racer- yes. Kids like retro. Adults like retro, too. The Incredible Hulk- doubt t. People's memories are short, but their senses of smell are long, and The Hulk stunk the joint up but good. The Dark Knight- try to keep 'em out of the theaters. I dare you. Wallace to quote the eminent scientist Hubert Farnsworth, Hu-WHA? Hancock- probably. But I'm not sold on it, especially after seeing the trailer. Just me and my weirdness. Hellboy 2- yes. Yes.YES. The Mummy 3- no. No. NO. To paraphrase, once was enough. Jurassic Park IV- see above. The Day The Earth Stood Still'- Klaatu. Barada. NiktNO... Star Trek XI'- Probably will do well. My only question- WHY? The Mutant Chronicles- X-fans will go to see it, be p*ssed off because there are no X-Men in it. Word gets out, and it's on DVD the following month. Deathrace 3000 Zelazny will rise from his grave just long enough to beg the masses *not* to see this. He won't have to be out for long. They Came From Upstairs- probably won't do well at the box office. Based on this blurb, I'll go to see it. Watchmen- if it doesn't, I'll be surprised. The Lovely Bones- Peter Jackson. Need I say more? Wolverine- uh, this is a trick question, right? Monsters vs. Aliens- it'll do even better if the Aliens in it aren't the Aliens from Aliens vs Predator. Terminator 4- I don't think it will fly. I think that all but the hardcore fans are sick of the franchise. Sin City 2- The Yellow B*stard will be swimming in green. Logan's Run- it might do well, appealing to the young'uns who are
Re: [scifinoir2] Grindhouse #4: A Box Office Horror
Actually, it opened where I expected. Films like that don't do big box office. Ironically, had it been a *real* piece-of-crap cheesy or gore-filled flick like The Cave or something, it'd have done twenty mill -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grindhouse A Box Office Horror Grindhouse was a box-office horror over the Easter weekend, opening in a disappointing fourth place with only $11.6 million, despite positive buzz for the faux double feature from directors Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino, the Hollywood trade papers and wire services reported. The film seemed unlikely to recoup its estimated $53 million production cost, at least domestically. Grindhouse opened lower than Disney's animated Meet the Robinsons, which placed second in its second weekend of release, taking in $17 million and raising its 10-day total to $52.2 million. Grindhouse fell well short of expectations: Forecasters had figured the movie would premiere in the ballpark of Tarantino's two Kill Bill movies and Rodriguez's Sin City, whose opening weekends ranged from $22 million to $29 million, the Associated Press reported. The movie's three-hour-plus running time was an impediment, limiting the number of screenings theaters could fit in. Grindhouse played to big crowds on the East and West coasts, but failed to click with audiences in the Midwest and South. Hilary Swank's horror movie The Reaping, meanwhile, also opened poorly, taking fifth place and $10.1 million for the three days or $12.0 million when including receipts from its opening day on April 5. http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=40990 Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Goyer Sells Green Arrow Pitch
goyer's the one. I did an extensive list on him when the Blade series came out. He has some good stuff to his credit like Dark City, Batman Begins, and Threshold. Not sure what happened with Blade. I guess the guy behind Puppet Masters did that! http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0333060/ -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Should I be frightened? Isn't goyer the one who tried to make Blade as second tier character in both #3 of the movie and the series blade? Tracey Goyer Sells Green Arrow Pitch Batman Begins writer David Goyer told Wizard magazine that he's sold Warner Brothers on a new take on the Green Arrow, a classic DC Comics superhero. Supermax is Goyer's take on supervillain incarceration in the DC universe, the magazine reported. Goyer's story revolves around a wrongly convicted Green Arrow, who is whisked away to the supermax prison for out-of-control heroes and villains, where he's forced to face a number of inmates that he put there. He's Green Arrow for the first 10 minutes of the movie, and then he's arrested, and his secret identity is revealed, Goyer told the magazine. They shave his goatee, and they take his costume and send him to prison for life, and he has to escape. It's like Alcatraz, and he has to team up with, in some cases, some of the very same villains he is responsible for incarcerating in order to get out and clear his name. Of course, tons of people try to kill him while he's in there. We've populated the prison with all sorts of B and C villains from the DC universe. For the fans, there will be all sorts of characters the hardcore comic-book junkies will know, but they're all going to be there under their human names, and no one is wearing a costume, but there will be a lot of characters with powers and things like that. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] OT: Imus Gets Two Week Suspension
Basically, Imus gets to take a vacation. Big deal. I guarantee you the friendship, support, and possibly even future business deals he'll get from this will more than offset the loss of two weeks' pay. Glen Beck--another person whose existence in media I question--has already done the Common, he's sorry, enough already thing. Comments I've heard from others, like some of the the ignorant stalwarts at my job, show me the Limbaugh crowd feels Imus is being unfairly attacked for a bad (but funny, I'm sure) joke. The more people like Sharpton clamor for his firing, the more such people rally around him. But that's America in all its glorious diversity: you have the right to remain ignorant, so help you God. I think the real lesson to be learned here is that racism, ignorance, bigotry--call it what it is--is alive and well. As we struggle with issues of the new millennium such as gay rights, immigration, religion, American relations with Islamic countries, the shrinking dominan ce of the white man in culture, expect to hear more junk like this. Those used to being in power just can't handle the changes in our world. I am proud that Sharpton and others stayed on this, that they handled it with aplomb, and I'm *really* glad that Sharpton now has a radio show where he can respectfully but firmly take people like Imus to task. No longer just a guy who marches and protests to gain attention, Sharpton can in a small way use his radio and TV presence to combat the ultra-conservative/racist guys who've dominated for so long. We certainly aren't going to be able to get the Imus' and Limbaugh's fired anytime soon, but by taking them on from a position of confidence and savy, I think we can at least get some companies to think more about their blind support of the fools. Imus has said things as bad if not worse in the past, and nothing was done. So while I think his racist friends will ultimately help him out, I also think the protests force stations like MSNBC and halfway intelligent people to at least distance themselves, so that it's clear exactly what kind of people continue to support Imus and his ilk. * Imus Gets Two Week Suspension Don Imus gets paid a bundle for opening his big mouth on a daily basis. Now, he's desperately trying to extricate his foot from said orifice to save his job. So far it's working. Following a flurry of on-air apologies from the shock jock Monday, CBS Radio and MSNBC announced they were suspending Imus for two weeks effective Apr. 16 for his comments last week referring to Rutgers University's predominantly African-American women's basketball team as nappy-headed hos. The companies stopped short at terminating the popular host, whose Imus in the Morning radio show is syndicated nationally by CBS Radio and simulcast on MSNBC. Our continued relationship with Imus is contingent on his ability to live up to his word, MSNBC said in a statement, citing Imus' mea culpa as the reason he was not terminated. CBS Radio declined comment beyond explaining that Imus' show will be allowed to continue for the rest of this week due to previously scheduled fundraisers for Thursday and Friday. For his part, Imus told listeners that the controversy taught him to measure his remarks more carefully. Here's what I've learned: that you can't make fun of somebody, because some people don't deserve it, he said. Because the climate on this program has been what it's been for 30 years doesn't mean it's going to be what it's been for the next five years or whatever because that has to change, and I understand that. Imus explained away his statements by saying he was only trying to be funny last Wednesday during a conversation with producer Bernard McGuirk about the women's college basketball finals, which Rutgers lost to the University of Tennessee the day before. That's some rough girls from Rutgers, Imus quipped to McGuirk. Man, they got tattoos. To which the producer added, Some hard-core hos. That's some nappy-headed hos there, I'm going to tell you that, Imus replied. On Monday, Imus said he regretted his words. I'm not a bad person, I'm a good person, but I said a bad thing. But these young women deserve to know it was not said with malice, he said. The outspoken radio personality pointed to his charitable work founding the Imus Ranch for Sick Children on his cattle ranch in New Mexico, noting that he works with children of many races and ethnicities.I'm not a white man who doesn't know any African-Americans, he continued. Also on Monday, Imus appeared as a guest on the Reverend Al Sharpton's radio show hoping to do further damage control. Sharpton has been one of Imus' most vocal critics, calling on Imus' corporate bosses at CBS Radio to give him the boot for his diabolical and racist remarks. Our agenda is to be funny and sometimes we go too far. And this time we went way too far, Imus told Sharpton. This is not about
Re: [scifinoir2] When She Graduates as He]
Wow, this is fascinating. I won't pretend to understand the culture. My experience with transgender is extremely limited. I do, however, have some experience with young gays and lesbians. One thing I have noticed among some young women--not all, but some--is that they turn to lesbianism not because they're inately that way, but as a reaction to life pressures and problems. I've seen young women who've been sexually molested and raped turn away from men and toward women, an obvious inability to deal with the male gender. What I believe is a reaction that's not real, (that is, they weren't born gay) can, after years of living the life, become almost indistinguishable. I know someone now who's going through that. His daughter was molested, and before that was hetereo. Over the last five years or so, she's sworn off men, and has markedly changed her clothign, her hair, her speech, her walk, all to look more masculine. I worry that one day she'll reach a point where she'll never even attempt to be with a man again, having found a type of safety in women. I also think some young girls play with lesbianism almost as an expected or accepted thing to do. Witness a culture in which Madonna french kisses Britany Spears on TV, something I thought was unnecessary. Or how some stars like Anne Heche jumping back and forth over the fence. I do wonder if some youngsters don't see it as something trendy to play with for a while, or as a previously unavailable avenue to deal with loneliness and rejection from boys. That being said, I wonder how many young people would go the transgender route--either the dressing up or the medicine/surgery--unless they truly, deeply, felt they were in the wrong body? Maybe I can see the dress up/playacting thing, but when it comes to changing the body itself, I wonder if they weren't born with an internal conflict that wasn't caused by societal pressures? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Original Message Subject: [Blackfolks] When She Graduates as He Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:52:42 -0400 From: The Village Idiot Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Village Idiot Productions To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] When She Graduates as He There's a battle brewing at the Seven Sisters over the growing population of transgender students. The question at its core: What kind of women's college awards diplomas to men? By Adrian Brune | April 8, 2007 Though born a girl, raised a girl, and now attending a womens college, Isaiah Bartlett didnt feel quite right being female. Old pictures show a very feminine, rosy-cheeked Allison Bartlett with chin-length dark brown hair. Yet every time her mother coaxed her into a dress for one of those photographs, Allisons skin would crawl and her mind would race with insecurities. Even coming out as a butch lesbian in her freshman year at Mt. Holyoke College and getting rid of those dresses for good didnt seem to solve the problem. Not long after Allison enrolled, in the fall of 2005, she shaved most of her hair into a mohawk and picked up a few pairs of boxer shorts. Soon she started binding her breasts with an Ace bandage every day before going out. After a year of struggling in school and a semester off to sort out her emotions, the popular 20-year-old psychology major returned to school and went to a talk by fellow student Kevin Murphy. Then things began to make sense. Allison realized that though she was a biological woman, she wanted nothing more than to be a man. She adopted the name Isaiah. When I heard Kevins story, his talk about struggling with coming out as a lesbian, then realizing that he really wanted to be a man, I felt as if he was telling bits of my own story, Bartlett says one October afternoon in his room in Mt. Holyokes Buckland Hall dormitory, just before a friend comes barreling up in a robe and a green face mask to offer a quick hug and some dish. Soon after, I came out as a transman. This is the latest subculture to emerge at the elite womens colleges in the Northeast known as the Seven Sisters young women, some still teenagers, who, like Bartlett, are exploring the possibility of growing up to be men. And its creating a social upheaval at these historically all-female enclaves as they wrestle with what to do about all this gender bending. The Seven Sisters colleges were founded in the 19th century, and famous graduates have ranged from anthropologist Margaret Mead (Barnard) to actresses Stockard Channing (Radcliffe) and Meryl Streep (Vassar) to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (Wellesley). Vassar started accepting male students in 1969, and Radcliffe officially merged with Harvard College in 1999, leaving just five sisters Mt. Holyoke, Bryn Mawr, Smith, Barnard, and Wellesley. But the same
Re: [scifinoir2] Restless Leg Syndrome???
I think I mentioned this before, about how i hate the taste of corn syrup as a sweetener versus good old cane sugar. I've also read that the biofuel programs starting to gear up are also focusing on the wrong type of biofuels, which I believe also benefits the corn guys? I think I read there's a better type of biofuel to get, but the corn folks are strong... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] You just described the pharmaceutical industry's long-term strategy. Never cure anything, do not fund research for cures, use lobbying and other nefarious techniques to block public awareness of non-patentable cures and treatments, make non-patentable cures and treatments illegal. I think they have a joint venture with the Corn industry. Corn Syrup in every processed food helps create the target market for weight loss treatments, diabetes treatments and a host of other treatments. Tracey Reece Jennings wrote: I have a theory about disease in America: NOBODY wants to cure disease, at least not medical and corporate America. Disease is a perfect marketing target. Raise awareness about the disease, scare the crap out of those who have it, make everybody else THINK they might have it, and sell a drug to treat symptoms. Call the drug a cure. This is true for Cancer, Allergies, OSA, RLS, EIEIO, every mental condition, every childhood normal problem...have a walk/march/run...parade those with the disease who are still alive, in remission, 'cured'... Diabetes: This is a laziness disease. It's not even really a disease. We get fat. We eat American food, We grow up on white sugar, drink coffee, smoke cigarettes, eat all the fat in the world...So Pharmaceutical Companies GIVE us the little finger prickers. Why? They make LOTS of money off of the little disposal needles And the blood measuring devices...not to mention Diabetic candy, lozenges, drinks, etc... But they don't tell us: You fat dummy! You're ruining your pancreas! How long do you think you can squeeze that Poor organ into pumping enough insulin to counteract all the sugar you're eating? And your cells can't absorb that Sugar, so you're going to piss your brains out trying to get the sugar out of your body. Oh...and you think your kidneys Like THAT extra activity? HAH! Not a complaint...just an observation... When I visit my doctor, there are more drug pushers than patients! And doctors are constanly giving out samples Of the drugs to us... We don't even take responsibility for our own health. We turn it over to doctors. BIG mistake! Ok...I'm done...burp! Where's my donut? Want a scholarship into the Millionaire Mind Intensive worth $2590? http://www.secretsofthemillionairemind.com/a/?wid=399929 -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:27 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ; GIRLFRIEND Subject: [scifinoir2] Restless Leg Syndrome??? My husband, has a thing about the pharmaceutical industry the manipulative nature their ads. Up until now, at least the ads we saw were for real illnesses. The other day some ads began running for Restless Leg Syndrome Please tell me that this is a real condition and these profit hungry companies are not just trying to find another way to bilk the public. Does anyone know what it is or know anyone who has it? Tracey Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] 'Grindhouse' To Be Split in Two?
I think I disagree with this. I don't think the idea of a double-feature is that hard to grasp, even for youngsters who've never seen one before. Hell, I'm 43, and though I'm extremely familiar with the term, I never saw one at the theatre back in the day. I think it has more to do with whether the subject matter and marketing themselves were appealing. I think the girl with the machine-gun leg, adn the cheesy zombie shots made some people laugh, but maybe didn't excite them. People nowadays--espeically the young folk--seem to be going for that disgustingly explicit and gore-based horror that's all the rage. Stuff like Saw, Hostel, Touristas, etc. Both of these flicks are very tongue-in-cheek and self-referential. Now, I rmember the days of crap like Boggy Creek, MAcon COunty Line, The Incredible Two-Headed Transplant, etc., so I want to see them. But for those who aren't my age, and for youngsters, the lack of obvious horror gore or Kill Bill style fighting and acti on may not be a draw. Perhaps--perhaps--the combined three hour length hurt a bit of business. But I think a tweak in marketing--such as trailers shown--would be more effective. I'd hate to see the concept die just because the audience isn't hip or interested enough to get it. Besides, sometimes the movie going public just doesn't get it. That's what DVD and On Demand rentals are for. Grindhouse is gonna do very well there... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ovie mogul Harvey Weinstein is planning to re-release Grindhouse as two separate films - after the double-bill flopped at the box office. The film, a double-feature directed by Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez made just $11.6 million in its opening weekend in the US. Producer Weinstein is disappointed - and thinks Tarantino's Death Proof, starring Kurt Russell, and Rodriguez' Planet Terror, with Rose McGowan, will perform better on their own. He tells PageSix.com, I don't think people understood what we were doing. The audience didn't get the idea that it is two movies for the price of one. I don't understand the math, but I want to accommodate the audience. http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/2007-04-11/ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Sponsors Abandon Imus
I disagree in that nappy-headed would have been okay. That term is clearly aimed at black people, our hair, and is *not* uttered by a white person in anything that can be termed good humour or affection. Frankly the nappy-headed pissed me off more. It's singling out a specific trait of Blacks--our hair--and putting us down for it. He might as well have said fat assed, big lipped, or lizard skinned, to describe other aspects of our physiology--real or imagined. -- Original message -- From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] The simple answer to this question is that the hos referred to in rap music are general (and of tenuous, if dubious merit) and the insult hurled at the Rutgers basketball team is specific and totally without merit. To expand, the use of ho in rap music may even have context (see Prince's Darling Nikki). Imus' insult had no context whatsoever. Further, the co-mingling of offensive rap lyrics and Imus' comments is ingenuous and truly the last refuge of this scoundrel. I submit that Imus may have been safe if he had stopped at tatted up and nappy-headed. Calling this accomplished women hos is where he crossed the line. I am curious if any of you can refer me to a rap lyric to me that similarly and specifically trashes black women of character and accomplishment. I ask because while I enjoy rap music, I never listen to the lyrics, I only listen to the beats (I don't listen to the lyrics of any music - imagine my surprise as I was watching Walk the Line when Joachim Phoenix articulated that famous Johnny Cash line from Folsom Prison Blues: I shot a man...just to watch him die. Lord, a mercy! I'm a scared of hillbillies, now! Somebody got do something bout that anti-social country music!). ~rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], votomguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While it'll probably be hard for Imus to get work again, a very important issue within our community has to be answered. Why is it ok for us to call our women hos, but if someone outside our race does it we're suddenly up in arms. The saddest thing to me about the whole Imus thing is the la attitude that blacks are taking towards our own who refer to women as hos. This whole thing that it's ok for me to talk about my momma, but you can't talk about my momma. Imus should be held accountable, but the double standard in our community has to go. We can't say zero tolerance and then turn around and have special exceptions. It's also sad to say, but how much attention do we really pay to NCAA womens basketball. This one team has received more attention then any other team in Women's basketball history. Everyone talks about their story, but where was all of this coverage before the Imus debacle. That is the saddest thing of all in all of this. Would we have paid any real attention to these women and what they accomplished, or would we have glossed over the story simply saying wow that's nice. If anything, we really need to reexamine not only how we treat women, but also their accomplishments. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin truthseeker_013@ wrote: It's a start. Now he has to lose his job, and be unable to obtain gainful employment for some time to come, before the collective lesson begins to sink in. I was watching Cold Pizza on ESPN2 yesterday, and one of the commentators said (paraphrasing *very* roughly), if a regualr everyday broadcaster were to have uttered such words, he or she would've been fired on the spot. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote: By DAVID CRARY ASSOCIATED PRESS NEW YORK â Bruce Gordon, former head of the NAACP and a director of CBS Corp., said Wednesday the broadcasting company needs a âzero tolerance policyâ on racism and hopes talk-show host Don Imus is fired for his demeaning remarks about the mostly black Rutgers womenâs basketball team. âHeâs crossed the line, heâs violated our community,â Gordon said in a telephone interview with the Associated Press. âHe needs to face the consequence of that violation.â Gordon, a longtime telecommunications executive, stepped down in March after 19 months as head of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, one of the foremost U.S. civil rights organizations. He said he had spoken with CBS chief executive Leslie Moonves and hoped the company, after reviewing the situation, would âmake the smart decisionâ by firing Imus rather than letting him return to the air at the end of a two-week suspension that was announced Tuesday. âWe should have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to what I see as irresponsible, racist behavior,â Gordon said. âThe Imus comments go beyond humor. Maybe he thought it was funny, but thatâs not what occurred. There has to be a consequence for that behavior.â
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: viewers Walk Out on Grindhouse
There you go! That's what I'm talking about, and your response is what Tarentino/Rodriguez were hoping for! -- Original message -- From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] I no longer care what movies gross. The only important thing is that they get made. I don't own stock in the Weinstein Company, so, poor grosses aside, I could not have been happier than to receive my copy of Entertainment Weekly with Rose McGowan and Rosario Dawson arranged seductively on the hood of Kurt Russell's Death Proof Chevy Nova. Take that up two notches when I received my copy of Rolling Stone with butt naked Dawson and McGowan on the cover - covered only with strategic strings of shotgun shells. (In addition, the shot of all the Grindhouse women dressed alike in white blouses, black mico-mini skirts and black high heeled shoes caught in mid-leap, in the Green Issue of Vanity Fair, is not to be missed!) I am going to violate my rule of seeing no movie before it reaches the Budget theater (the popcorn is better there). Hopefully it is playing at the Oriental (one of the last remaining movie palaces in Milwaukee, which coincidentally has pretty darn good popcorn and real cherry coke). I will purchase the Grindhouse DVDs - together and/or separately, when they are released. ~rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ Harvey Weinstein told me this morning that he's incredibly disappointed with the half-than-expected $12 mil box office for Grindhouse released on Easter Weekend (a controversial move itself). So much so, that he's considering abandoning the double feature as a single feature concept and re-releasing the Quentin Tarantino/Robert Rodriguez movie around the U.S. in a couple of weeks as two separate feature-length movies with additional footage put in. grindhouse_bigfinalposter.jpgThat's what Harvey says The Weinstein Co. is already intending to do with the film's release in Europe: split it into two separate pics, Tarantino's Death Proof and Rodriguez's Planet Terror. Quentin's movie goes out first in competition at Cannes. He'll do an extensive 4 to 5 month tour. And the trailer will be all Quentin's, Weinstein told me about his European plans. Then we'll release Robert's a couple of months later. By splitting it up, we're going to do a hell of a lot better internationally than we did here. Weinstein noted that, even in Grindhouse's video deal as well as its TV deal with Starz Entertainment Group, it's been sold as two separate movies. Our deal with Encore is that they can play it any way they want. So this is why The Weinstein Co. is now deciding to suck it up and do in this country what it probably should have done all along. First of all, I'm incredibly disappointed. We tried to do something new and obviously we didn't do it that well, Harvey told me today. It's just a question of how is it going to hang in there. But we could split the movies in a couple of weeks. Make Tarantino's a full-length film, and Rodriguez's too. We'll be adding those 'two missing reels' that's talked about in the movie. (At one point in Grindhouse, a sex scene is interrupted because of two missing reels -- one of the many conceits and indulgences.) Weinstein pointed to several reasons why Grindhouse did so poorly in theaters over Easter weekend. Our research showed the length kept people away. It was the single biggest deterrent. It was 3 hours and 12 minutes long. grondhouse1.jpgWe originally intended to get it all in in 2 hours, 30 minutes. That would have been a better time. But the movies ran longer, the [fake] trailers ran longer, everything ran longer, Harvey told me. Weinstein also criticized his own marketing plan. We didn't educate the South or Midwest. In the West and the East, the movie played well. It played well in strong urban settings. But we missed the boat on the Midwest and the South. But he denies others' thinking that the Grindhouse subject matter was too foreign for mainstream audiences in mainstream theaters. He's wrong, of course. (In many theaters, before the pic began, either a leaflet was handed out or an usher came out to tell audiences that Grindhouse was designed to look old and scratched and to have missing reels, and that the intermission, including the fake trailers, was also part of the movie. Obviously the managements had received some complaints at earlier shows.) Yet The Weinstein Co. wouldn't give the film to actual Grindhouses, or even the Grindhouse Film Festival, to screen and create buzz. That may be one reason the advance tracking on the film prior to Friday was only so-so. The hype seems to have been all Internet-generated, which is why New Line's Snakes On A Plane flopped. grindhouse2.jpgWeinstein admitted to spending at
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Grindhouse' To Be Split in Two?
yeah, I hear that Planet Terror isn't thought to be as good as Death Proof. I still wish they could have left them together as one movie, though i admit that a three hour length is too long. -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] I better get my butt in gear and check it out before it disappears. I grew up in New Orleans and there were several Grindhouse type theaters(The Circle, The Gallo, The Carver, The Famous, The Orpheum, etc.) and I got to watch some of the same stuff that Tarantino loves so much. Unfortunately those movies were cult flicks for a reason. I get that Planet Terror is pastiche of Italian zombie gore flicks but some folks don't. Another downside to the movie is the massive shift in tone from Planet Terror to Death Proof. It seems to be throwing some folks off. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I disagree with this. I don't think the idea of a double- feature is that hard to grasp, even for youngsters who've never seen one before. Hell, I'm 43, and though I'm extremely familiar with the term, I never saw one at the theatre back in the day. I think it has more to do with whether the subject matter and marketing themselves were appealing. I think the girl with the machine-gun leg, adn the cheesy zombie shots made some people laugh, but maybe didn't excite them. People nowadays--espeically the young folk--seem to be going for that disgustingly explicit and gore-based horror that's all the rage. Stuff like Saw, Hostel, Touristas, etc. Both of these flicks are very tongue-in-cheek and self-referential. Now, I rmember the days of crap like Boggy Creek, MAcon COunty Line, The Incredible Two-Headed Transplant, etc., so I want to see them. But for those who aren't my age, and for youngsters, the lack of obvious horror gore or Kill Bill style fighting and acti on may not be a draw. Perhaps--perhaps--the combined three hour length hurt a bit of business. But I think a tweak in marketing--such as trailers shown--would be more effective. I'd hate to see the concept die just because the audience isn't hip or interested enough to get it. Besides, sometimes the movie going public just doesn't get it. That's what DVD and On Demand rentals are for. Grindhouse is gonna do very well there... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ovie mogul Harvey Weinstein is planning to re-release Grindhouse as two separate films - after the double-bill flopped at the box office. The film, a double-feature directed by Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez made just $11.6 million in its opening weekend in the US. Producer Weinstein is disappointed - and thinks Tarantino's Death Proof, starring Kurt Russell, and Rodriguez' Planet Terror, with Rose McGowan, will perform better on their own. He tells PageSix.com, I don't think people understood what we were doing. The audience didn't get the idea that it is two movies for the price of one. I don't understand the math, but I want to accommodate the audience. http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/2007-04-11/ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Novelist Kurt Vonnegut dies at age 84
Martin, you were just talking to me about Vonnegut's work, which I guess I'll now be discovering posthumously for him. Again, I hate to admit I've never read any of his stuff. Love the quotes, especially this jab at teh Bushites: (upper-crust C-students who know no history or geography), or this epitaph left for aliens who visit Earth in the future: We probably could have saved ourselves, but we were too damned lazy to try very hard... and too damn cheap I wonder, what writer(s) active now would you consider to be a spiritual descendant of Vonnegut's? *** Novelist Kurt Vonnegut dies at age 84 By CRISTIAN SALAZAR, Associated Press Writer 54 minutes ago Kurt Vonnegut, the satirical novelist who captured the absurdity of war and questioned the advances of science in darkly humorous works such as Slaughterhouse-Five and Cat's Cradle, died Wednesday. He was 84. Vonnegut, who often marveled that he had lived so long despite his lifelong smoking habit, had suffered brain injuries after a fall at his Manhattan home weeks ago, said his wife, photographer Jill Krementz. The author of at least 19 novels, many of them best-sellers, as well as dozens of short stories, essays and plays, Vonnegut relished the role of a social critic. Indianapolis, his hometown, declared 2007 as The Year of Vonnegut an announcement he said left him thunderstruck. He lectured regularly, exhorting audiences to think for themselves and delighting in barbed commentary against the institutions he felt were dehumanizing people. I will say anything to be funny, often in the most horrible situations, Vonnegut, whose watery, heavy-lidded eyes and unruly hair made him seem to be in existential pain, once told a gathering of psychiatrists. A self-described religious skeptic and freethinking humanist, Vonnegut used protagonists such as Billy Pilgrim and Eliot Rosewater as transparent vehicles for his points of view. He also filled his novels with satirical commentary and even drawings that were only loosely connected to the plot. In Slaughterhouse-Five, he drew a headstone with the epitaph: Everything was beautiful, and nothing hurt. But much in his life was traumatic, and left him in pain. Despite his commercial success, Vonnegut battled depression throughout his life, and in 1984, he attempted suicide with pills and alcohol, joking later about how he botched the job. I think he was a man who combined a wicked sense of humor and sort of steady moral compass, who was always sort of looking at the big picture of the things that were most important, said Joel Bleifuss, editor of In These Times, a liberal magazine based in Chicago that featured Vonnegut articles. His mother killed herself just before he left for Germany during World War II, where he was quickly taken prisoner during the Battle of the Bulge. He was being held in Dresden when Allied bombs created a firestorm that killed an estimated tens of thousands of people. The firebombing of Dresden explains absolutely nothing about why I write what I write and am what I am, Vonnegut wrote in Fates Worse Than Death, his 1991 autobiography of sorts. But he spent 23 years struggling to write about the ordeal, which he survived by huddling with other POW's inside an underground meat locker labeled slaughterhouse-five. The novel, in which Pvt. Pilgrim is transported from Dresden by time-traveling aliens from the planet Tralfamadore, was published at the height of the Vietnam War, and solidified his reputation as an iconoclast. He was sort of like nobody else, said Gore Vidal, who noted that he, Vonnegut and Norman Mailer were among the last writers around who served in World War II. He was imaginative; our generation of writers didn't go in for imagination very much. Literary realism was the general style. Those of us who came out of the war in the 1940s made it sort of the official American prose, and it was often a bit on the dull side. Kurt was never dull. Vonnegut was born on Nov. 11, 1922, in Indianapolis, a fourth-generation German-American religious skeptic Freethinker, and studied chemistry at Cornell University before joining the Army. When he returned, he reported for Chicago's City News Bureau, then did public relations for General Electric, a job he loathed. He wrote his first novel, Player Piano, in 1951, followed by The Sirens of Titan, Canary in a Cat House and Mother Night, making ends meet by selling Saabs on Cape Cod. Critics ignored him at first, then denigrated his deliberately bizarre stories and disjointed plots as haphazardly written science fiction. But his novels became cult classics, especially Cat's Cradle in 1963, in which scientists create ice-nine, a crystal that turns water solid and destroys the earth. Many of his novels were best-sellers. Some also were banned and burned for suspected obscenity. Vonnegut took on censorship as an active member of the PEN writers' aid group
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Grindhouse' To Be Split in Two?
Kill Bill was three hours, and Tarentino and the studio therefore split it into Kill Bill Part 1 and Kill Bill Part 2, released a few month's apart. That seems to have worked. The LOTR flicks were all three hours long, but that's rare nowadays, and I think the density of the source material more than justified it. I'm probably a bad example, because I like long movies and have no trouble with a three hour double-feature, but I can see that most people nowadays don't have the staying power. Heck, more people are deciding to skip the theatre altogether in favor of home viewing, where they can pause movies frequently. I'm old-school and love my big-screen theatre-going experience, where you more or less have to absorb the whole film at once. Nothing drives me crazier than watching a movie at home and having to pause it for bathroom breaks, cooking, phone calls, etc. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] While I agree that three hours is too long, wasn't Kill Bill and lord of the rings long too? Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, I hear that Planet Terror isn't thought to be as good as Death Proof. I still wish they could have left them together as one movie, though i admit that a three hour length is too long. -- Original message -- From: B. Smith I better get my butt in gear and check it out before it disappears. I grew up in New Orleans and there were several Grindhouse type theaters(The Circle, The Gallo, The Carver, The Famous, The Orpheum, etc.) and I got to watch some of the same stuff that Tarantino loves so much. Unfortunately those movies were cult flicks for a reason. I get that Planet Terror is pastiche of Italian zombie gore flicks but some folks don't. Another downside to the movie is the massive shift in tone from Planet Terror to Death Proof. It seems to be throwing some folks off. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I disagree with this. I don't think the idea of a double- feature is that hard to grasp, even for youngsters who've never seen one before. Hell, I'm 43, and though I'm extremely familiar with the term, I never saw one at the theatre back in the day. I think it has more to do with whether the subject matter and marketing themselves were appealing. I think the girl with the machine-gun leg, adn the cheesy zombie shots made some people laugh, but maybe didn't excite them. People nowadays--espeically the young folk--seem to be going for that disgustingly explicit and gore-based horror that's all the rage. Stuff like Saw, Hostel, Touristas, etc. Both of these flicks are very tongue-in-cheek and self-referential. Now, I rmember the days of crap like Boggy Creek, MAcon COunty Line, The Incredible Two-Headed Transplant, etc., so I want to see them. But for those who aren't my age, and for youngsters, the lack of obvious horror gore or Kill Bill style fighting and acti on may not be a draw. Perhaps--perhaps--the combined three hour length hurt a bit of business. But I think a tweak in marketing--such as trailers shown--would be more effective. I'd hate to see the concept die just because the audience isn't hip or interested enough to get it. Besides, sometimes the movie going public just doesn't get it. That's what DVD and On Demand rentals are for. Grindhouse is gonna do very well there... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) ovie mogul Harvey Weinstein is planning to re-release Grindhouse as two separate films - after the double-bill flopped at the box office. The film, a double-feature directed by Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez made just $11.6 million in its opening weekend in the US. Producer Weinstein is disappointed - and thinks Tarantino's Death Proof, starring Kurt Russell, and Rodriguez' Planet Terror, with Rose McGowan, will perform better on their own. He tells PageSix.com, I don't think people understood what we were doing. The audience didn't get the idea that it is two movies for the price of one. I don't understand the math, but I want to accommodate the audience. http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/2007-04-11/ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Grindhouse' To Be Split in Two?
I agree. I know two guys at work who both have widescreen TVs and watch a lot of movies at home. Our conversations often include them telling me how it's taking two or three days to watch a film. They'll say things like Well, I got to this part of Lord of the Rings, but I stopped the DVD and will watch the rest this weekend. I just can't do that. -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've noticed that patience these days is a lost artform. I even know a cpouple of hardcore AI fans who can't bother to watch the show, because it's too long. They'll watch the Daily Buzz the next day on UPN for the AI update. I was waffling on whether to go and see this, but this lukewarm reception it's getting publicly (so bad that Rose McGowan has been doing a second talk-show publicity run for it this morning) is driving me toward saddling up and pushing on up that five-minute-long road to the theater... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kill Bill was three hours, and Tarentino and the studio therefore split it into Kill Bill Part 1 and Kill Bill Part 2, released a few month's apart. That seems to have worked. The LOTR flicks were all three hours long, but that's rare nowadays, and I think the density of the source material more than justified it. I'm probably a bad example, because I like long movies and have no trouble with a three hour double-feature, but I can see that most people nowadays don't have the staying power. Heck, more people are deciding to skip the theatre altogether in favor of home viewing, where they can pause movies frequently. I'm old-school and love my big-screen theatre-going experience, where you more or less have to absorb the whole film at once. Nothing drives me crazier than watching a movie at home and having to pause it for bathroom breaks, cooking, phone calls, etc. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] While I agree that three hours is too long, wasn't Kill Bill and lord of the rings long too? Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, I hear that Planet Terror isn't thought to be as good as Death Proof. I still wish they could have left them together as one movie, though i admit that a three hour length is too long. -- Original message -- From: B. Smith I better get my butt in gear and check it out before it disappears. I grew up in New Orleans and there were several Grindhouse type theaters(The Circle, The Gallo, The Carver, The Famous, The Orpheum, etc.) and I got to watch some of the same stuff that Tarantino loves so much. Unfortunately those movies were cult flicks for a reason. I get that Planet Terror is pastiche of Italian zombie gore flicks but some folks don't. Another downside to the movie is the massive shift in tone from Planet Terror to Death Proof. It seems to be throwing some folks off. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I disagree with this. I don't think the idea of a double- feature is that hard to grasp, even for youngsters who've never seen one before. Hell, I'm 43, and though I'm extremely familiar with the term, I never saw one at the theatre back in the day. I think it has more to do with whether the subject matter and marketing themselves were appealing. I think the girl with the machine-gun leg, adn the cheesy zombie shots made some people laugh, but maybe didn't excite them. People nowadays--espeically the young folk--seem to be going for that disgustingly explicit and gore-based horror that's all the rage. Stuff like Saw, Hostel, Touristas, etc. Both of these flicks are very tongue-in-cheek and self-referential. Now, I rmember the days of crap like Boggy Creek, MAcon COunty Line, The Incredible Two-Headed Transplant, etc., so I want to see them. But for those who aren't my age, and for youngsters, the lack of obvious horror gore or Kill Bill style fighting and acti on may not be a draw. Perhaps--perhaps--the combined three hour length hurt a bit of business. But I think a tweak in marketing--such as trailers shown--would be more effective. I'd hate to see the concept die just because the audience isn't hip or interested enough to get it. Besides, sometimes the movie going public just doesn't get it. That's what DVD and On Demand rentals are for. Grindhouse is gonna do very well there... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) ovie mogul Harvey Weinstein is planning to re-release Grindhouse as two separate films - after the double-bill flopped at the box office. The film, a double-feature directed by Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez made just $11.6 million in its opening weekend in the US. Producer Weinstein is
[scifinoir2] OT: Leon quits �Cat on a Hot Tin Roof,� apparently taking Forest Whitaker with him
Interesting. The cast was a stellar one. I've seen Phyllicia Rashad in two plays here in Atlanta--Pearl Cleage's Blues for an Alabama Sky (which co-starred Tauren Blacque from Hill Street Blues) and Medea. She's great onstage, and I image Forrest would be a powerhouse as well. Kenny Leon is a legend here among Black theatre goers--well, maybe not among those who only see Tyler Perry and gospel musicals. But Leon did a lot to bring the likes of August Wilson's work to Atlanta, making people see that serious Black works can be intelligent and successful. He also directed a lot of things that weren't race-specific, like A Christmas Carol. Brother's can't skills... Leon quits Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, apparently taking Forest Whitaker with him By Wendell Brock | Thursday, April 12, 2007, 11:25 AM The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Atlanta director Kenny Leon has resigned from the highly anticipated African-American production of Tennessee Williams Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, citing artistic differences with the Broadway producer. It just wasnt working out, Leon said Thursday morning from New York, where he is in rehearsals for the Broadway run of August Wilsons Radio Golf. Leon said he was disappointed, because he had assembled an A-list cast, including Oscar winner Forest Whitaker for the role of Big Daddy; four-time Tony Award winnner Audra McDonald as Maggie the Cat and his longtime colleague Phylicia Rashad as Big Mama. Actor Anthony Mackie was to play Brick and is still said to be a candidate. I spent time talking with Forest Whitaker and Phylicia and Audra McDonald and Anthony Mackie, and I thought they would have been a great production, Leon said. But not everyone thinks the same. Meanwhile, producer Steven Byrd has hired Broadway actress and choreographer Debbie Allen to direct and still plans an October opening. Rashad, who is Allens sister, is expected to remain on board, while the part of Big Daddy has been offered to Danny Glover, a publicist for the show said Thursday. I care about the relationships I have cultivated with Forest and Phylicia and Audra and Anthony, and in terms of protecting those relationships, I thought it was best to walk away from the project, Leon said. Leon, who worked with Allen when he was head of Atlantas Alliance Theatre, said: I know Debbie and I wish her well. Under consideration for the part of Maggie are actresses Thandie Newton and Anika Noni Rose. Besides Mackie, Blair Underwood and LL Cool J have been mentioned for the part of Brick. Byrd a former investor with Goldman Sachs who now runs a private equity fund is a Broadway newcomer. Radio Golf, the final installment of Wilsons 10-play cycle about African-American life in the 20th century, is set to begin previews on April 20 and open May 8. Leon said there was no doubt in my mind that he would be working with Whitaker and the cast he had lined up for Cat in the near future. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] SciFi Friday is Back
Well, at least Friday nights will be a little less boring for a while. Though, damn! A decade of me mostly ignoring Stargate: SG-1, seeing only a handful of shows, and when i *finally* start watching it's cancelled. :(I guess there's still Atlantis. Oh yeah, and PainKiller Jane, which was, well, painful to watch. More on that one later. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Painkiller Jane Series Premiere
Anyone catch this besides me? Man, this was just awful: cliched, predictable, boring. Some of the stuff that hit me from the start: * Kristanna Loken isn't a very good actress. She was stiff and delivered her lines with all the emotion of a Vulcan. Maybe it was the dialogue and uninspired writing, which were sho' 'nuff problems,but I doubt it. But then, what reason is there to expect the latest Terminator to have acting ability? * Within five minutes of the opening, the show was in one of those cliched (using that word again!) underground rave-type clubs with the pulse-pounding music and young people from Central Casting posing and dancing wildly, while obvious bad guys skulk in their midst doing drug deals. Truly one of the most overused scenes in such shows outside of strip clubs. Booorinng! * The first--and only, I might add--of the good guys to get killed was a brother. Sad thing is, soon as I saw him I thought This show's gonna kill that Black man. Bingo! There is another Brother left, but of course he's older and out of shape, not young and/or hunky like the rest of the cast. he was already punked by Jane. Surprise! * Will someone *Please* teach these new directors that herky-jerky and tilting camera work is *not* a good way to add action to a scene? Just makes it confused and amateurish-looking. Who's running film school these days, Michael Bay?! * The good guys are another one of those shadow-type groups that hang out in a hidden warehouse HQ with high-tech equipment, and who are answerable only to ourselves. How original! * There is of course a resident computer geek, and of course he's the oddball who wears stocking caps, tennis shoes, warmup suits, etc. Just once nowadays I'd like to see an IT expert that's not pushing the Gen Y look. * The doctor on here appears to be Indian or Middle Eastern, but has a British accent. I'm really getting tired of Indian, Pakistani, or Arab characters with British accents. From Bashir on DS9 to Sayid on Lost (who is British in real life and fakes an Iraqi accent) American-produced shows are replete with such characters who speak the Queen's English or their native tongue with such an accent. Is there a reason we can't get actors who actually *sound* like they're from their characters' country of origin? * Man, I think half the profits of the drug trade and the budget of government law enforcement agencies, must go to leather wear! Amazing how every henchman and supposedly underpaid government agent is wearing thousands of dollars worth of leather jackets and pants! Can you tell I wasn't impressed? There were several fights, all of which were dizzying (not in a good way) and too fast-paced. Everyone's too busy posing and speaking bad lines as if they have sticks up their arses. This show reminds me of the late, unlamented Mutant X, and that ain't a good thing. Not sure I'll watch this one again unless it improves drastically or I'm very bored. What did y'all think? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Painkiller Jane Series Premiere
never saw the flick. I assume it sucked? -- Original message -- From: Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] You mean like in BloodRayne??? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone catch this besides me? Man, this was just awful: cliched, predictable, boring. Some of the stuff that hit me from the start: * Kristanna Loken isn't a very good actress. She was stiff and delivered her lines with all the emotion of a Vulcan. Maybe it was the dialogue and uninspired writing, which were sho' 'nuff problems,but I doubt it. But then, what reason is there to expect the latest Terminator to have acting ability? * Within five minutes of the opening, the show was in one of those cliched (using that word again!) underground rave-type clubs with the pulse-pounding music and young people from Central Casting posing and dancing wildly, while obvious bad guys skulk in their midst doing drug deals. Truly one of the most overused scenes in such shows outside of strip clubs. Booorinng! * The first--and only, I might add--of the good guys to get killed was a brother. Sad thing is, soon as I saw him I thought This show's gonna kill that Black man. Bingo! There is another Brother left, but of course he's older and out of shape, not young and/or hunky like the rest of the cast. he was already punked by Jane. Surprise! * Will someone *Please* teach these new directors that herky-jerky and tilting camera work is *not* a good way to add action to a scene? Just makes it confused and amateurish-looking. Who's running film school these days, Michael Bay?! * The good guys are another one of those shadow-type groups that hang out in a hidden warehouse HQ with high-tech equipment, and who are answerable only to ourselves. How original! * There is of course a resident computer geek, and of course he's the oddball who wears stocking caps, tennis shoes, warmup suits, etc. Just once nowadays I'd like to see an IT expert that's not pushing the Gen Y look. * The doctor on here appears to be Indian or Middle Eastern, but has a British accent. I'm really getting tired of Indian, Pakistani, or Arab characters with British accents. From Bashir on DS9 to Sayid on Lost (who is British in real life and fakes an Iraqi accent) American-produced shows are replete with such characters who speak the Queen's English or their native tongue with such an accent. Is there a reason we can't get actors who actually *sound* like they're from their characters' country of origin? * Man, I think half the profits of the drug trade and the budget of government law enforcement agencies, must go to leather wear! Amazing how every henchman and supposedly underpaid government agent is wearing thousands of dollars worth of leather jackets and pants! Can you tell I wasn't impressed? There were several fights, all of which were dizzying (not in a good way) and too fast-paced. Everyone's too busy posing and speaking bad lines as if they have sticks up their arses. This show reminds me of the late, unlamented Mutant X, and that ain't a good thing. Not sure I'll watch this one again unless it improves drastically or I'm very bored. What did y'all think? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Such music flow on the Fringe...and no one can resist singing to Scarlet. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Jet Li to Star in Fantasy Film with Jackie Chan
This ought to be interesting, though I'm not too thrilled that the movie is told with an American teen inserted into the legend. I'd rather it all stayed Asian. I bet people are really curious to see what Yuen Woo-ping will do in pairing the fighting styles of Jet Li and Jackie Chan. Frankly, I'd love to see Chan streamline his moves a bit and fight with a little less comedic improvisation and more tradiational gung fu intensity. Otherwishe, Li might overshadow him. Oh well, at least Jet Li is back! The claims that Fearless was Li's last martial arts film seems to have been a misdirection by the studio in order to get fans to see the movie. Li's intent is actually not to make any more films that have martial arts fighting as their core. He will do films that requires him to fight, as long as the fighting serves a greater plot. Here's a quote from Li (which is admittedly a bit confusing): [Li says] Fearless will be his last movie that has martial arts as its core subject matter. Li said he no longer wants to make movies in this genre because he has said all he has to about martial arts through movies. But he will continue doing action and kungfu movies because, to him, the three are of different genres. Action and martial arts stories only use the form of martial arts. Kungfu represents a concept of time. You spend time practicing it, and you learn new skills. Martial arts are an overall concept, which also includes nurturing the soul. Fantasy Journey for Jackie Chan Jet Li By MIN LEE, AP Entertainment Writer HONG KONG - The first film pairing of kung fu stars Jackie Chan and Jet Li will tell the tale of an American teenager's fantasy journey to ancient China to rescue a mythological monkey king, the film's U.S. distributor said Wednesday. The Forbidden Kingdom will start shooting May 2 in movie studios in Hengdian, located southwest of Shanghai, and neighboring locations, the movie's producer, Casey Silver, said in a phone interview with The Associated Press. The project has drawn attention because of the teaming of the two stars but plot details have been scarce. The story line originates from the classic Chinese novel Journey to the West, in which a monkey king helps guard a Buddhist monk who searches for religious texts. In this new version, the teenager, a fan of kung fu movies, travels back in time after discovering the monkey king's stick weapon in a Chinatown pawn shop, film distributor Lionsgate said in a news release. While Chan's and Li's roles are still under wraps, the film could offer a sharp contrast of fighting styles. Chan is known for his improvisational, defensive moves while Li tends to dominate his on-screen opponents. Famed kung fu choreographer Yuen Woo-ping, known for his work on the Matrix trilogy, will design the action sequences in Forbidden Kingdom, and Rob Minkoff, who made Stuart Little and The Lion King, will direct the movie. Cinematographer Peter Pau, who won an Oscar for his work on Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, will shoot the movie. Both Chan and Li made their names in Hong Kong cinema before moving on to Hollywood. Chan was recently filming the third installment of the Rush Hour series with Chris Tucker. Li's recent Hollywood credits include Cradle 2 the Grave and Kiss of the Dragon. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Painkiller Jane Series Premiere
Can't believe I've never seen this show, not even to dog it out. Was it as bad
as the awful series Adrian Highlander Paul was in, the one where he was
tracking down rogue aliens on Earth, Alien Tracker?
-- Original message --
From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Keith, whyfor you insult Vulcans so?
Seriously, this is nothing more in my eyes than Codename: Eternity (was that
the name of that craptastic show?) with a slightly better-looking lead.
*Slightly*...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone catch this besides me? Man, this was just awful: cliched, predictable,
boring. Some of the stuff that hit me from the start:
* Kristanna Loken isn't a very good actress. She was stiff and delivered her
lines with all the emotion of a Vulcan. Maybe it was the dialogue and
uninspired writing, which were sho' 'nuff problems,but I doubt it. But then,
what reason is there to expect the latest Terminator to have acting ability?
* Within five minutes of the opening, the show was in one of those cliched
(using that word again!) underground rave-type clubs with the pulse-pounding
music and young people from Central Casting posing and dancing wildly, while
obvious bad guys skulk in their midst doing drug deals. Truly one of the most
overused scenes in such shows outside of strip clubs. Booorinng!
* The first--and only, I might add--of the good guys to get killed was a
brother. Sad thing is, soon as I saw him I thought This show's gonna kill that
Black man. Bingo! There is another Brother left, but of course he's older and
out of shape, not young and/or hunky like the rest of the cast. he was already
punked by Jane. Surprise!
* Will someone *Please* teach these new directors that herky-jerky and tilting
camera work is *not* a good way to add action to a scene? Just makes it
confused and amateurish-looking. Who's running film school these days, Michael
Bay?!
* The good guys are another one of those shadow-type groups that hang out in a
hidden warehouse HQ with high-tech equipment, and who are answerable only to
ourselves. How original!
* There is of course a resident computer geek, and of course he's the oddball
who wears stocking caps, tennis shoes, warmup suits, etc. Just once nowadays
I'd like to see an IT expert that's not pushing the Gen Y look.
* The doctor on here appears to be Indian or Middle Eastern, but has a British
accent. I'm really getting tired of Indian, Pakistani, or Arab characters with
British accents. From Bashir on DS9 to Sayid on Lost (who is British in real
life and fakes an Iraqi accent) American-produced shows are replete with such
characters who speak the Queen's English or their native tongue with such an
accent. Is there a reason we can't get actors who actually *sound* like they're
from their characters' country of origin?
* Man, I think half the profits of the drug trade and the budget of government
law enforcement agencies, must go to leather wear! Amazing how every henchman
and supposedly underpaid government agent is wearing thousands of dollars worth
of leather jackets and pants!
Can you tell I wasn't impressed? There were several fights, all of which were
dizzying (not in a good way) and too fast-paced. Everyone's too busy posing and
speaking bad lines as if they have sticks up their arses. This show reminds me
of the late, unlamented Mutant X, and that ain't a good thing. Not sure I'll
watch this one again unless it improves drastically or I'm very bored.
What did y'all think?
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Re: [scifinoir2] Painkiller Jane Series Premiere
wow, it must be really bad! Was it able to make it into so-bad-it's-funny territory? -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BloodRayne = Bad. Terrible. Horrible. It both sucked and blew. Someone needs to be beaten for letting unleashing that piece of garbage on the public. By the way, I didn't like it either. __ James Landrith [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 703-593-2065 * fax: 760-875-8547 AIM: jlnales * ICQ: 148600159 MSN and Yahoo! Messenger: jlandrith Taking the Gloves Off - http://www.jameslandrith.com The Multiracial Activist - http://www.multiracial.com The Abolitionist Examiner - http://www.multiracial.com/abolitionist/ __ never saw the flick. I assume it sucked? -- Original message -- From: Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] You mean like in BloodRayne??? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone catch this besides me? Man, this was just awful: cliched, predictable, boring. Some of the stuff that hit me from the start: * Kristanna Loken isn't a very good actress. She was stiff and delivered her lines with all the emotion of a Vulcan. Maybe it was the dialogue and uninspired writing, which were sho' 'nuff problems,but I doubt it. But then, what reason is there to expect the latest Terminator to have acting ability? * Within five minutes of the opening, the show was in one of those cliched (using that word again!) underground rave-type clubs with the pulse-pounding music and young people from Central Casting posing and dancing wildly, while obvious bad guys skulk in their midst doing drug deals. Truly one of the most overused scenes in such shows outside of strip clubs. Booorinng! * The first--and only, I might add--of the good guys to get killed was a brother. Sad thing is, soon as I saw him I thought This show's gonna kill that Black man. Bingo! There is another Brother left, but of course he's older and out of shape, not young and/or hunky like the rest of the cast. he was already punked by Jane. Surprise! * Will someone *Please* teach these new directors that herky-jerky and tilting camera work is *not* a good way to add action to a scene? Just makes it confused and amateurish-looking. Who's running film school these days, Michael Bay?! * The good guys are another one of those shadow-type groups that hang out in a hidden warehouse HQ with high-tech equipment, and who are answerable only to ourselves. How original! * There is of course a resident computer geek, and of course he's the oddball who wears stocking caps, tennis shoes, warmup suits, etc. Just once nowadays I'd like to see an IT expert that's not pushing the Gen Y look. * The doctor on here appears to be Indian or Middle Eastern, but has a British accent. I'm really getting tired of Indian, Pakistani, or Arab characters with British accents. From Bashir on DS9 to Sayid on Lost (who is British in real life and fakes an Iraqi accent) American-produced shows are replete with such characters who speak the Queen's English or their native tongue with such an accent. Is there a reason we can't get actors who actually *sound* like they're from their characters' country of origin? * Man, I think half the profits of the drug trade and the budget of government law enforcement agencies, must go to leather wear! Amazing how every henchman and supposedly underpaid government agent is wearing thousands of dollars worth of leather jackets and pants! Can you tell I wasn't impressed? There were several fights, all of which were dizzying (not in a good way) and too fast-paced. Everyone's too busy posing and speaking bad lines as if they have sticks up their arses. This show reminds me of the late, unlamented Mutant X, and that ain't a good thing. Not sure I'll watch this one again unless it improves drastically or I'm very bored. What did y'all think? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Such music flow on the Fringe...and no one can resist singing to Scarlet. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] New Highlander Movie Slated for 2007 Release
Well, well, well. They're trying yet another Highlander movie, the first of a planned trilogy, no less. Given how awful most (outside the first) have been, I'm not hopeful. There was a version of Highlander: The Source released in Russian and made available online, but reviews from fans were overwhelmingly scathing. Now the film's being re-edited. Highlander is such a cool property. The series was excellent (with the exception of most of season two, when McLeod ran around saving inner city neighborhoods and such). Great characters, like Methos, Amanda, even Joe Dawson. But the movies haven't been good. Endgame was a major disappointment to me. There were a few cool concepts in it--a wearyConner forcing McLeod to kill him was an example--but overall it sucked. Maybe they should leave this alone... http://highlander-thesource.com/news-updates.html SYNOPSIS The world is falling into chaos. As he roams a crumbling city, Duncan MacLeod, the Highlander, remembers happier times before the love of his life left... Hopeless and alone, MacLeod finds his way to a band of immortal companions, including his mysterious friend Methos, and a mortal, Watcher Joe Dawson. Together this small group sets out on a quest to find the origin of the first Immortal and The Source of their immortality. Celebrating 20 years of The Legend, Davis-Panzer Productions, Sequence Films and Grosvenor Park are proud to announce the upcoming 2007 release of HIGHLANDER: The Source. Brett Leonard is the director with Adrian Paul playing the immortal Scottish swordsman, Duncan MacLeod. This new adventure, starring Adrian Paul is the first feature in the Trilogy. The Source tells the story of Immortals as they quest to locate the Holy Grail of their world. The entire series of films will chronicle the origins of the Immortals. Director Brett Leonard commented This is a tremendous opportunity for a storyteller of this genre to take part in the mythology of 20 years. He continues that HIGHLANDER is an amazing ongoing story that I can bring my visual style to... Everything I have done has led me to this kind of mythical fantasy. Brett Leonard pioneered the creation of digital visual effects in filmmaking with 1992's Lawnmower Man, he also directed 1995's Virtuosity, and most recently completed Marvel's Man-Thing. He is heralded as a maverick in science fiction, fantasy and adventure by creating films with a strong visual presence. Peter Davis of Davis-Panzer Productions noted, We are truly celebrating this milestone in HIGHLANDER history by pairing Brett and Adrian in our newest Trilogy. We anticipate that this combination will recapture the filming glory of the original HIGHLANDER. Davis-Panzer Productions is busy further immortalizing the Clan MacLeod during the series' twentieth year with an anime feature film in partnership with Imagi and Madhouse of Japan and a video game with SCI Games Ltd. of London. There is no limit when your story is timeless and Immortal! HIGHLANDER: The Source will be distributed in North America through Lions Gate Films and in 40 foreign territories through the top independent distributors. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Christina Ricci Joins Speed Racer Cast
I'm assuming Ricci is Trixie? Great casting! She's one of the few actresses I can see pull of that trademark Trixie yell. Now if only Hirsch can do the famous Speed cry of fear as well. If you don't remember the English-dubbed series, there's *no way* in hell I can describe those exceedingly funny screams of fear from the cartoon! Man, i wish we could upload sound! Didn't I read that Vince Vaugh is playing Racer X? While I don't think he has the look of Racer X--unless he hits the gym--I will say Vaugh's ability to do rapid-fire speaking is a perfect rif on the too-fast English voice acting of the Americanized cartoon. Christina Ricci is joining Matrix creators Larry and Andy Wachowski's live-action adaptation of the 1960s cartoon Speed Racer. Emile Hirsch, Susan Sarandon and John Goodman already have boarded the high-octane Warner Bros. project, which is based on the anime series created by Tatsuo Yoshida for Japanese audiences and later imported to the U.S. Speed centers on a young race car driver, Speed (Hirsch), and his quest for glory in his thundering, gadget-laden vehicle Mach 5. Ricci will star as Speed's girlfriend Trixie, his formidable ally on and off the track. The show revolved around Speed's family. In the big-screen adaptation, Goodman will play Pops, a race car owner and builder. Sarandon is on board as Pops' wife, the backbone of the family as well as the Mach 5 Go Racing Team. The Wachowskis, who are writing and directing, are eyeing a summer shoot in Berlin with a summer 2008 release. The casting is a change in direction for Ricci, who has tended to star in such indie-oriented fare as Monster, Penelope and the recent Black Snake Moan. She also appeared on ABC's Grey's Anatomy, a turn that earned her an Emmy nomination last year. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Grindhouse' To Be Split in Two?
I remember back when MTV had SHort Attention Span Theatre, and I thought that was a silly title. How prescient it was! Still, though the suits often dumb down entertainment, there are things that show it's not necessary. Slowly-unfolding-mystery shows like Lost and Heroes require a type of long-term attention, as they're not quick payoffs. You get some excitement each ep, but the ultimate answers are a long time coming. Viewers have to keep multiple characters and multiple storylines in their heads. That requires something beyond the quick instant gratification of one-shot shows. I think if we demand more from the audiences, sometimes--sometimes--they will rise to the challenge. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martin: i'm with you. When I rent DVD's I do double features, but for the sure attention spans of the average movie goer, I wonder if it is too long. I've been reading accounts of some movies many of us dislike, but thought we might like where the powers that be decided that it was too long or the plot too complicated and ordered as much as 40 minutes out of the movie. This is getting increasingly common. Tracey Martin wrote: Tracey, foe me, I could tolerate the length of the LOTR movies because the books themselves read as though they were infinitely long as well. And, from my own history of illness, I'vve mastered the art of being still for long periods of time. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: While I agree that three hours is too long, wasn't Kill Bill and lord of the rings long too? Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, I hear that Planet Terror isn't thought to be as good as Death Proof. I still wish they could have left them together as one movie, though i admit that a three hour length is too long. -- Original message -- From: B. Smith I better get my butt in gear and check it out before it disappears. I grew up in New Orleans and there were several Grindhouse type theaters(The Circle, The Gallo, The Carver, The Famous, The Orpheum, etc.) and I got to watch some of the same stuff that Tarantino loves so much. Unfortunately those movies were cult flicks for a reason. I get that Planet Terror is pastiche of Italian zombie gore flicks but some folks don't. Another downside to the movie is the massive shift in tone from Planet Terror to Death Proof. It seems to be throwing some folks off. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I disagree with this. I don't think the idea of a double- feature is that hard to grasp, even for youngsters who've never seen one before. Hell, I'm 43, and though I'm extremely familiar with the term, I never saw one at the theatre back in the day. I think it has more to do with whether the subject matter and marketing themselves were appealing. I think the girl with the machine-gun leg, adn the cheesy zombie shots made some people laugh, but maybe didn't excite them. People nowadays--espeically the young folk--seem to be going for that disgustingly explicit and gore-based horror that's all the rage. Stuff like Saw, Hostel, Touristas, etc. Both of these flicks are very tongue-in-cheek and self-referential. Now, I rmember the days of crap like Boggy Creek, MAcon COunty Line, The Incredible Two-Headed Transplant, etc., so I want to see them. But for those who aren't my age, and for youngsters, the lack of obvious horror gore or Kill Bill style fighting and acti on may not be a draw. Perhaps--perhaps--the combined three hour length hurt a bit of business. But I think a tweak in marketing--such as trailers shown--would be more effective. I'd hate to see the concept die just because the audience isn't hip or interested enough to get it. Besides, sometimes the movie going public just doesn't get it. That's what DVD and On Demand rentals are for. Grindhouse is gonna do very well there... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) ovie mogul Harvey Weinstein is planning to re-release Grindhouse as two separate films - after the double-bill flopped at the box office. The film, a double-feature directed by Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez made just $11.6 million in its opening weekend in the US. Producer Weinstein is disappointed - and thinks Tarantino's Death Proof, starring Kurt Russell, and Rodriguez' Planet Terror, with Rose McGowan, will perform better on their own. He tells PageSix.com, I don't think people understood what we were doing. The audience didn't get the idea that it is two movies for the
Re: [scifinoir2] New Highlander Movie Slated for 2007 Release
i fear you're right...
-- Original message --
From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Remove the maybe, Keith...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, well, well. They're trying yet another
Highlander movie, the first of a planned trilogy, no less. Given how awful most
(outside the first) have been, I'm not hopeful. There was a version of
Highlander: The Source released in Russian and made available online, but
reviews from fans were overwhelmingly scathing. Now the film's being re-edited.
Highlander is such a cool property. The series was excellent (with the
exception of most of season two, when McLeod ran around saving inner city
neighborhoods and such). Great characters, like Methos, Amanda, even Joe
Dawson. But the movies haven't been good. Endgame was a major disappointment
to me. There were a few cool concepts in it--a wearyConner forcing McLeod to
kill him was an example--but overall it sucked. Maybe they should leave this
alone...
http://highlander-thesource.com/news-updates.html
SYNOPSIS
The world is falling into chaos. As he roams a crumbling city, Duncan MacLeod,
the Highlander, remembers happier times before the love of his life left...
Hopeless and alone, MacLeod finds his way to a band of immortal companions,
including his mysterious friend Methos, and a mortal, Watcher Joe Dawson.
Together this small group sets out on a quest to find the origin of the first
Immortal and The Source of their immortality.
Celebrating 20 years of The Legend, Davis-Panzer Productions, Sequence Films
and Grosvenor Park are proud to announce the upcoming 2007 release of
HIGHLANDER: The Source. Brett Leonard is the director with Adrian Paul playing
the immortal Scottish swordsman, Duncan MacLeod.
This new adventure, starring Adrian Paul is the first feature in the Trilogy.
The Source tells the story of Immortals as they quest to locate the Holy Grail
of their world. The entire series of films will chronicle the origins of the
Immortals.
Director Brett Leonard commented This is a tremendous opportunity for a
storyteller of this genre to take part in the mythology of 20 years. He
continues that HIGHLANDER is an amazing ongoing story that I can bring my
visual style to... Everything I have done has led me to this kind of mythical
fantasy.
Brett Leonard pioneered the creation of digital visual effects in filmmaking
with 1992's Lawnmower Man, he also directed 1995's Virtuosity, and most
recently completed Marvel's Man-Thing. He is heralded as a maverick in science
fiction, fantasy and adventure by creating films with a strong visual presence.
Peter Davis of Davis-Panzer Productions noted, We are truly celebrating this
milestone in HIGHLANDER history by pairing Brett and Adrian in our newest
Trilogy. We anticipate that this combination will recapture the filming glory
of the original HIGHLANDER.
Davis-Panzer Productions is busy further immortalizing the Clan MacLeod during
the series' twentieth year with an anime feature film in partnership with Imagi
and Madhouse of Japan and a video game with SCI Games Ltd. of London. There is
no limit when your story is timeless and Immortal!
HIGHLANDER: The Source will be distributed in North America through Lions Gate
Films and in 40 foreign territories through the top independent distributors.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [scifinoir2] Painkiller Jane Series Premiere
wow, that IS bad!
-- Original message --
From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Worse, IMO. One of the bad guys was possibly the most metrosexual android ever
conceived of in SF. Every time it got its a$$ kicked, it stopped to dust itself
off meticulously. And the lines- at least Tracker characters could deliver
their lines and not sound as though they were strangling on them.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't believe I've never seen this show, not even to
dog it out. Was it as bad as the awful series Adrian Highlander Paul was in,
the one where he was tracking down rogue aliens on Earth, Alien Tracker?
-- Original message --
From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Keith, whyfor you insult Vulcans so?
Seriously, this is nothing more in my eyes than Codename: Eternity (was that
the name of that craptastic show?) with a slightly better-looking lead.
*Slightly*...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone catch this besides me? Man, this was just awful: cliched, predictable,
boring. Some of the stuff that hit me from the start:
* Kristanna Loken isn't a very good actress. She was stiff and delivered her
lines with all the emotion of a Vulcan. Maybe it was the dialogue and
uninspired writing, which were sho' 'nuff problems,but I doubt it. But then,
what reason is there to expect the latest Terminator to have acting ability?
* Within five minutes of the opening, the show was in one of those cliched
(using that word again!) underground rave-type clubs with the pulse-pounding
music and young people from Central Casting posing and dancing wildly, while
obvious bad guys skulk in their midst doing drug deals. Truly one of the most
overused scenes in such shows outside of strip clubs. Booorinng!
* The first--and only, I might add--of the good guys to get killed was a
brother. Sad thing is, soon as I saw him I thought This show's gonna kill that
Black man. Bingo! There is another Brother left, but of course he's older and
out of shape, not young and/or hunky like the rest of the cast. he was already
punked by Jane. Surprise!
* Will someone *Please* teach these new directors that herky-jerky and tilting
camera work is *not* a good way to add action to a scene? Just makes it
confused and amateurish-looking. Who's running film school these days, Michael
Bay?!
* The good guys are another one of those shadow-type groups that hang out in a
hidden warehouse HQ with high-tech equipment, and who are answerable only to
ourselves. How original!
* There is of course a resident computer geek, and of course he's the oddball
who wears stocking caps, tennis shoes, warmup suits, etc. Just once nowadays
I'd like to see an IT expert that's not pushing the Gen Y look.
* The doctor on here appears to be Indian or Middle Eastern, but has a British
accent. I'm really getting tired of Indian, Pakistani, or Arab characters with
British accents. From Bashir on DS9 to Sayid on Lost (who is British in real
life and fakes an Iraqi accent) American-produced shows are replete with such
characters who speak the Queen's English or their native tongue with such an
accent. Is there a reason we can't get actors who actually *sound* like they're
from their characters' country of origin?
* Man, I think half the profits of the drug trade and the budget of government
law enforcement agencies, must go to leather wear! Amazing how every henchman
and supposedly underpaid government agent is wearing thousands of dollars worth
of leather jackets and pants!
Can you tell I wasn't impressed? There were several fights, all of which were
dizzying (not in a good way) and too fast-paced. Everyone's too busy posing and
speaking bad lines as if they have sticks up their arses. This show reminds me
of the late, unlamented Mutant X, and that ain't a good thing. Not sure I'll
watch this one again unless it improves drastically or I'm very bored.
What did y'all think?
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Re: [scifinoir2] Painkiller Jane Series Premiere
wow, Tracey, you're bad as me: you'll sometimes watch almost anything to get a
scifi fix. if *you* hate it, it must be bad.
-- Original message --
From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Craptastic is being kind. there was a robot in it who was always dieing
an coming back to life. They actor would crack/title his nect to the
side whenever he came back. I wanted to break it for him.
Tracey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can't believe I've never seen this show, not even to dog it out. Was
it as bad as the awful series Adrian Highlander Paul was in, the one
where he was tracking down rogue aliens on Earth, Alien Tracker?
-- Original message --
From: Martin
Keith, whyfor you insult Vulcans so?
Seriously, this is nothing more in my eyes than Codename: Eternity
(was that the name of that craptastic show?) with a slightly
better-looking lead. *Slightly*...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone catch this besides me? Man, this was just awful: cliched,
predictable, boring. Some of the stuff that hit me from the start:
* Kristanna Loken isn't a very good actress. She was stiff and
delivered her lines with all the emotion of a Vulcan. Maybe it was the
dialogue and uninspired writing, which were sho' 'nuff problems,but I
doubt it. But then, what reason is there to expect the latest
Terminator to have acting ability?
* Within five minutes of the opening, the show was in one of those
cliched (using that word again!) underground rave-type clubs with the
pulse-pounding music and young people from Central Casting posing and
dancing wildly, while obvious bad guys skulk in their midst doing drug
deals. Truly one of the most overused scenes in such shows outside of
strip clubs. Booorinng!
* The first--and only, I might add--of the good guys to get killed was
a brother. Sad thing is, soon as I saw him I thought This show's
gonna kill that Black man. Bingo! There is another Brother left, but
of course he's older and out of shape, not young and/or hunky like the
rest of the cast. he was already punked by Jane. Surprise!
* Will someone *Please* teach these new directors that herky-jerky and
tilting camera work is *not* a good way to add action to a scene? Just
makes it confused and amateurish-looking. Who's running film school
these days, Michael Bay?!
* The good guys are another one of those shadow-type groups that hang
out in a hidden warehouse HQ with high-tech equipment, and who are
answerable only to ourselves. How original!
* There is of course a resident computer geek, and of course he's the
oddball who wears stocking caps, tennis shoes, warmup suits, etc. Just
once nowadays I'd like to see an IT expert that's not pushing the Gen
Y look.
* The doctor on here appears to be Indian or Middle Eastern, but has a
British accent. I'm really getting tired of Indian, Pakistani, or Arab
characters with British accents. From Bashir on DS9 to Sayid on Lost
(who is British in real life and fakes an Iraqi accent)
American-produced shows are replete with such characters who speak the
Queen's English or their native tongue with such an accent. Is there
a reason we can't get actors who actually *sound* like they're from
their characters' country of origin?
* Man, I think half the profits of the drug trade and the budget of
government law enforcement agencies, must go to leather wear! Amazing
how every henchman and supposedly underpaid government agent is
wearing thousands of dollars worth of leather jackets and pants!
Can you tell I wasn't impressed? There were several fights, all of
which were dizzying (not in a good way) and too fast-paced. Everyone's
too busy posing and speaking bad lines as if they have sticks up their
arses. This show reminds me of the late, unlamented Mutant X, and
that ain't a good thing. Not sure I'll watch this one again unless it
improves drastically or I'm very bored.
What did y'all think?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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[scifinoir2] Edward Norton Signs on to New Hulk Movie
Norton's a good actor, and I never saw Unleashed. But Leterrier's directing Transporter 2, worries me. I hope we're not looking at another movie full of too-quick camera work and artificially hyped action. That's the Michael Bay Bad Boys 2 territory that worries me. Penn working on Elektra, FF4, and X3 also worries me. A fun movie is all well and good, but stuff like Ghost Rider makes me fear that the studios are trying to pump out forgettable actioneers to make a buck, rather than something that's intelligently written and fun, like the Spidey flicks and Batman Begins. Curiously, the younger comic writers are actually rebelling against the last two decades of angst-ridden characters and deep psychological storylines epitomized by the likes of Frank Miller's Batman and Daredevil. Over at DC, the current writers have been sneaking Supes' power levels back up (They were drastically reduced by John Byrne in the 80s), and have even started bring back better-left-gone stuff like Krypto, red kryptonite, etc. They feel comics have gotten too serious in recent years and want to bring back the gee-whiz factor. Too bad... * Norton to turn green as 'The Hulk' Staff Reporter Mon, 16 Apr 2007 Four years after the green superhero The Hulk hit the big screen in Ang Lee's maligned film, the muscled Marvel Comics icon is making a return with Edward Norton in the title role. The acclaimed star of such films as 'American History X' and 'Fight Club' is to take over the role previously filled by 'Munich' and 'Troy' actor Eric Bana. Directing duties are to be handled by Frenchman Louis Leterrier, best known for his work on 'Transporter 2' and the Jet Li-starring 'Unleashed'. Marvel Studios, which made Lee's 'The Hulk', intends the new film to be more fun, in keeping with the mood of the TV series and comic book. To be shot in Toronto during the northern hemisphere summer, the film is set to be released in North America on 13 June next year. Called 'The Incredible Hulk', the screenplay is by Zak Penn who has helped bring other Marvel films like 'Fantastic Four', two 'X-Men' instalments and 'Elektra' to cinemas. His script begins with the Hulk's alter-ego, Bruce Banner, fleeing from authorities while attempting to find a remedy for the condition that transforms him into the green monster. Edward Norton is a rare talent and one of the most versatile actors in the business, said Kevin Feige, the production president of Marvel Studios, speaking of the actor who has spent the last few years of his career avoiding blockbuster films. The star of projects like 'The Italian Job' and 'Red Dragon' has most recently worked on independent films like 'The Illusionist' and 'The Painted Veil' and will next appear opposite Colin Farrell in 'Pride and Glory'. His ability to transform into a particular role makes him the ideal choice to take on the character of Bruce Banner and the Hulk, added Feige. Edward is perfectly suited to bring one of the most popular and important Marvel icons to the bigscreen in a new and exciting way. Feige said the project would be a fun, high-octane event. Lee's film was criticised for being overly dramatic and concerned with the psychology of its characters. It failed to match the success of other Marvel projects like 'Spider-Man', 'Ghost Rider' and 'X-Men'. We could not be more excited about this project, added Feige. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Grindhouse' To Be Split in Two?
Well, that's how *I* do it, but most people don't. Heck, I even put the e-mail down when a movie starts! :O -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keith: Let me run the Homeviewing Rules by you: 1. Cooking - all home viewing fans know that the movie does not start until the food is prepared, picked up, or delivered and served. 2. go to the bathroom before the movie starts - however you bathroom breaks are permitted 3. Phones calls? no voice mail :) Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing drives me crazier than watching a movie at home and having to pause it for bathroom breaks, cooking, phone calls, etc. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) While I agree that three hours is too long, wasn't Kill Bill and lord of the rings long too? Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, I hear that Planet Terror isn't thought to be as good as Death Proof. I still wish they could have left them together as one movie, though i admit that a three hour length is too long. -- Original message -- From: B. Smith I better get my butt in gear and check it out before it disappears. I grew up in New Orleans and there were several Grindhouse type theaters(The Circle, The Gallo, The Carver, The Famous, The Orpheum, etc.) and I got to watch some of the same stuff that Tarantino loves so much. Unfortunately those movies were cult flicks for a reason. I get that Planet Terror is pastiche of Italian zombie gore flicks but some folks don't. Another downside to the movie is the massive shift in tone from Planet Terror to Death Proof. It seems to be throwing some folks off. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I disagree with this. I don't think the idea of a double- feature is that hard to grasp, even for youngsters who've never seen one before. Hell, I'm 43, and though I'm extremely familiar with the term, I never saw one at the theatre back in the day. I think it has more to do with whether the subject matter and marketing themselves were appealing. I think the girl with the machine-gun leg, adn the cheesy zombie shots made some people laugh, but maybe didn't excite them. People nowadays--espeically the young folk--seem to be going for that disgustingly explicit and gore-based horror that's all the rage. Stuff like Saw, Hostel, Touristas, etc. Both of these flicks are very tongue-in-cheek and self-referential. Now, I rmember the days of crap like Boggy Creek, MAcon COunty Line, The Incredible Two-Headed Transplant, etc., so I want to see them. But for those who aren't my age, and for youngsters, the lack of obvious horror gore or Kill Bill style fighting and acti on may not be a draw. Perhaps--perhaps--the combined three hour length hurt a bit of business. But I think a tweak in marketing--such as trailers shown--would be more effective. I'd hate to see the concept die just because the audience isn't hip or interested enough to get it. Besides, sometimes the movie going public just doesn't get it. That's what DVD and On Demand rentals are for. Grindhouse is gonna do very well there... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) ovie mogul Harvey Weinstein is planning to re-release Grindhouse as two separate films - after the double-bill flopped at the box office. The film, a double-feature directed by Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez made just $11.6 million in its opening weekend in the US. Producer Weinstein is disappointed - and thinks Tarantino's Death Proof, starring Kurt Russell, and Rodriguez' Planet Terror, with Rose McGowan, will perform better on their own. He tells PageSix.com, I don't think people understood what we were doing. The audience didn't get the idea that it is two movies for the price of one. I don't understand the math, but I want to accommodate the audience. http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/2007-04-11/ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Woman Offers Self for Video Game Gold
To step away for a moment from the heaviness of homicidal maniacs, suicide bombers in Iraq, and administration missteps... For those of you who don't pay attention to the video game world, it's a multi-billion dollar market that by most accounts is surpassing Hollywood in sales dollars. Video games are up there with pornography and DVD/on-demand rentals in terms of money spent by Americans each year. MMORPG's (Massively Multi-Player Online Role Playing Games) have followings in the millions worldwide. In recent years the phenomenon of creating/buying in-game characters hit. Level up enough to make your wizard go from hobbit to Gandalf and you have a hot commodity. Pimp your ride out with sufficient flash and horsepower, and you have a monster that not only looks good, but can smoke the competition on the streets. Three years ago a Japanese dude brought an intellectual properties lawsuit against another gamer who somehow managed to steal a virtual character the guy had created. The plaintiff placed a dollar value on the game charcacter he created, and sued for damages. Now video game makers allow you to upgrade characters by using points won from other games, by accumulating in-game money to be exchanged for the upgrades or characters, or even by engaging in transactions through eBay! Many of the most fanatic players clock 40+ hours per week easy just playing their games, and their worlds of dragons, warriors and wizards is a meaningful to them as ours is to us. So no surprise that this happens. If people can sue for the theft of a virtual character, why wouldn't some woman hit on using the world's oldest bargaining chip to gain some quick and easy gaming money? You might want to stay abreast of the gaming and movie industries, as the changes there will impact our society in ways you may not have anticipated. And please: no corny jokes about her needing an epic mount! *** Woman Offers [Favors] for 'Warcraft' Gold By: Ruben Diaz For: Game Invasion Reports are circling around the Internet at a rapid pace about a woman who had posted a personal ad on Craigslist.org offering sexual favors in exchange for 'World of Warcraft' gold. Needing 5000 gold to purchase an 'Epic Flying Mount,' one of the fastest mounts in the game, she offered anyone, male or female, playing on her server the opportunity to perform a variety of sexual acts in exchange for the in-game currency. Chief among her deviant interests was finding a partner into role-playing, going so far as to inform potential suitors that she has a costume ready for the occasion. ClubSi.com managed to snag screenshots of the postings, including a posting the next day about her success, before they were removed from Craigslist. Obviously she didn't read the upcoming 'World of Warcraft' development notes where her character class will be able to acquire an epic mount (epic flying form) through a quest in lieu of purchasing one. Look at this as an example of immediate vs. differed gratification, kids. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] New Robot Eyes Humans with Human-Like Eyes
Kewl! Funny, though I'm familiar with domo arigato (I used to own that Styx album), my first thought was that his name came from major-domo--a butler or household steward. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] By Tom Chao LiveScience.com Staff Writer posted: 16 April 2007 08:26 am ET A new breed of robots could soon break free of assembly line duties to assist human living in myriad ways. MIT researchers recently demonstrated the capabilities of such a robot, named Domo, which, like the robot in a recent General Motors ad, can transcend mass-production's repetition. It is designed to interact with humans and adapt to its environment in ways previously only imagined in science fiction. Presently, Domo can identify objects, reach for them and place them on shelves. Unlike an assembly-line robot, Domo can sense its surroundings using a pair of video cameras for eyes; they are connected to 12 computers. The cameras are built into remarkably human-looking eyeballs, for a reason, said Domo's developer, Aaron Edsinger. I found that, by making them immediately understandable as eyes, it was very easy to read [Domo's] eye-gaze direction, which is important when working with it, Edsinger said. They also greatly increase people's comfort level with the robot. Domo has been designed to tune into unexpected motion, allowing it to function within human environments. It is especially sensitive to human faces, which is necessary for social interaction. When Domo spots motion resembling a human face, the robot locks on it. By your command A recent demonstration showed off Domo's voice recognition capabilities. Hey, Domo, Edsinger said, and Domo responded in kind. Shelf, Domo, Edsinger said. Domo gingerly reached for a nearby shelf with an arm-like appendage of metal and wires, and touched the shelf to verify its existence. Next, Edsinger placed a bag of coffee beans in Domo's other hand. By wiggling it and making optical measurements, Domo deduced the size of the object. Then Domo figured out how to transfer the bag from one hand to the other, and then placed the bag on the shelf. A robot capable of such tasks may serve many useful purposes for the elderly or mobility-impaired, especially in light of aging Baby Boomers. Edsinger, who has worked on Domo for the past three years, describes it as the next generation of MIT robots. Domo follows in the robotic footsteps of Kismet, designed for human interaction, and Cog, which had the capability of manipulating unfamiliar objects. Don't touch me there Unlike its predecessors, Domo also has the ability to sense touch, necessary for safe interaction with humans. Springs in its arms, hands and neck can sense force, allowing it to respond appropriately. Pushing its hand will make it move in the direction of the push. By placing that spring in there, you get physical compliance that makes the whole body sort of springy, which makes it safer for human interaction, Edsinger said. But too much force or moving Domo's arms in the wrong direction will produce a vocal response of ouch. Original funding for Domo came from NASA, and the project is now supported by Toyota, which could apply such a robot for assembly line production. Intelligent robots could work together with people to make workers more productive and save manufacturing jobs from being sent overseas, Edsinger said. The name Domo was inspired by the Japanese phrase, domo arigato [thank you very much], Edsinger told LiveScience, and also by the Styx song, Mr. Roboto. Also, the two strong syllables are easy for the speech recognition system to understand. http://www.livescience.com/technology/070416_mit_robot.html Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] MGM New SF films for DVD
I ain't feeling it, especially with the focus on young adults -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anybody else disappointed by the initial line-up? Tracey MGM Announces SF DVD Slate MGM announced an ambitious development slate of new films for DVD, including science fiction titles aimed at young men and women, as well as two telemovies based on SCI FI Channel's Stargate SG-1: Stargate: The Ark of Truth and Stargate: Continuum. The Ark of Truth began production on April 15, while Continuum, which will feature epic ice-camp scenes shot on location in the Arctic, will resume filming on May 15. The films will feature SG-1 stars Richard Dean Anderson, Ben Browder, Amanda Tapping, Christopher Judge, Claudia Black and Michael Shanks. MGM has plans to release 12 or more projects per year, primarily based on popular film and television franchises with wide appeal to young-adult entertainment consumers. A list of SFF MGM DVD titles under development follows. â¢Audrey Rose, a remake of the 1977 supernatural suspense film, to be written by Andrea Meyer â¢Pet, a horror-thriller written by Jeremy Slater â¢Angelmaker, written by Alexander Vesha â¢A new film based on Showtime's supernatural series Dead Like Me, written by Steven Godchaux and directed by Stephen Herek â¢Species: The Awakening, the latest installment of the SF film franchise â¢Wargames: The Dead Code, based on the 1983 movie WarGames ww.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=41125 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Season 7 of ‘Smallville’ could be last
Glad to hear it's finally ending. It jumped the shark awhile back to my mind: the continued Kryptonian relics in Smallville, Lana/Clark/Lex love triangle, the introduction of a whole bunch of people who shouldn't be in the picture (Lois Lane, Perry White, Oliver Queen, possibly Bruce Wayne), killing Johnathan Kent--it's been too much. I'd love to see Clark finally leave for those Lost Years of journeying around the world. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] tâs been a busy year for Smallville. Lois Lane (Erica Durance) hooked up with the Green Arrow (Justin Hartely), Clark (Tom Welling) helped form the Justice League, and Lana Lang (Kristen Kreuk) married the villain of the story who also happens to have a secret agenda of his own for their union. And according to Michael Rosenbaum, who plays the twisted Lex Luthor on the series, itâs only going to get bigger. In an interview with JewReview, the actor confirmed that the seventh season (due on The CW this fall) will not only be the last season for the series, but it also will finally allow Lex to show his true face as the villain he was destined to become. âThat will be my final year,â said Rosenbaum. âThen I can hopefully delve into more comedies. For me, itâs great work and I think the show is getting intense as we go; Lex is inevitably getting darker, and next year is when he lets all his colors show.â Rosenbaum was also enthusiastic about what he knows of the seventh season, hinting that it will be the âbiggest year of all.â âSmallvilleâ is now in a position that is rare to find on TV these days, whereby the show actually knows its coming to an end rather than being axed by the network. This means the series will be able to plan for a grand finale and ensure all the characters get the send-off they deserve. So whatâs the secret, why has âSmallvilleâ lasted so long? As far as Rosenbaum is concerned, itâs all down to the audience. âThe ratings are consistently high,â he said. âItâs great when youâre on a show that has that longevity, but itâs even better when a showâs ratings are so high; our showâs ratings are just as high as the first couple seasons. Weâre creating more and more fans, and I know weâre going next year.â However, playing a villain for seven long years is bound to have an impact on any actor, and Rosenbaum is no different. In the early years of the series, the actor said he struggled a little to keep the character of Lex Luthor confined to the series without him spilling over into his own life. But given time, keeping the two apart became easier. âI was a little nervous in the first year, I was trying to find the character,â he said. âYou want to please the audience, but you want to bring some humility to the character; I donât want him to be a cartoon. I try to make every character I do, and thatâs who he is â as long as you stay in that box. And Iâve been pretty lucky, but I guess, over the years itâs become easier and easier.â http://www.jewreview.net/article.php?id=1315 http://www.syfyportal.com/news423523.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Season 7 of �Smallville could be last
Bruce Wayne hasn't shown up, but they've been talking about him making an appearance. I'm not surprised it's popular in Mexico. It's not a *bad* show, just one that's run a lot of plotlines into the ground. I really feel the loss of Johnathan Kent. I guess they wanted to bring the show in line with the (mistaken) plot of the films, where Johnathan is dead. The old WB used to show old eps on Sunday evenings, but don't think it's done so since the advent of the CW network. Here in Atlanta, reruns of the show are aired around 2 am on the local ABC affiliate. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've missed some episodes, when did Bruce Wayne show up. By the way I think smallville is big in Mexico, it came on Three times a day in syndication there. Is it in syndication here in the states? Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad to hear it's finally ending. It jumped the shark awhile back to my mind: the continued Kryptonian relics in Smallville, Lana/Clark/Lex love triangle, the introduction of a whole bunch of people who shouldn't be in the picture (Lois Lane, Perry White, Oliver Queen, possibly Bruce Wayne), killing Johnathan Kent--it's been too much. I'd love to see Clark finally leave for those Lost Years of journeying around the world. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] tââ¬â¢s been a busy year for Smallville. Lois Lane (Erica Durance) hooked up with the Green Arrow (Justin Hartely), Clark (Tom Welling) helped form the Justice League, and Lana Lang (Kristen Kreuk) married the villain of the story who also happens to have a secret agenda of his own for their union. And according to Michael Rosenbaum, who plays the twisted Lex Luthor on the series, itââ¬â¢s only going to get bigger. In an interview with JewReview, the actor confirmed that the seventh season (due on The CW this fall) will not only be the last season for the series, but it also will finally allow Lex to show his true face as the villain he was destined to become. ââ¬ÅThat will be my final year,ââ¬Â said Rosenbaum. ââ¬ÅThen I can hopefully delve into more comedies. For me, itââ¬â¢s great work and I think the show is getting intense as we go; Lex is inevitably getting darker, and next year is when he lets all his colors show.ââ¬Â Rosenbaum was also enthusiastic about what he knows of the seventh season, hinting that it will be the ââ¬Åbiggest year of all.ââ¬Â ââ¬ÅSmallvilleââ¬Â is now in a position that is rare to find on TV these days, whereby the show actually knows its coming to an end rather than being axed by the network. This means the series will be able to plan for a grand finale and ensure all the characters get the send-off they deserve. So whatââ¬â¢s the secret, why has ââ¬ÅSmallvilleââ¬Â lasted so long? As far as Rosenbaum is concerned, itââ¬â¢s all down to the audience. ââ¬ÅThe ratings are consistently high,ââ¬Â he said. ââ¬ÅItââ¬â¢s great when youââ¬â¢re on a show that has that longevity, but itââ¬â¢s even better when a showââ¬â¢s ratings are so high; our showââ¬â¢s ratings are just as high as the first couple seasons. Weââ¬â¢re creating more and more fans, and I know weââ¬â¢re going next year.ââ¬Â However, playing a villain for seven long years is bound to have an impact on any actor, and Rosenbaum is no different. In the early years of the series, the actor said he struggled a little to keep the character of Lex Luthor confined to the series without him spilling over into his own life. But given time, keeping the two apart became easier. ââ¬ÅI was a little nervous in the first year, I was trying to find the character,ââ¬Â he said. ââ¬ÅYou want to please the audience, but you want to bring some humility to the character; I donââ¬â¢t want him to be a cartoon. I try to make every character I do, and thatââ¬â¢s who he is ââ¬â as long as you stay in that box. And Iââ¬â¢ve been pretty lucky, but I guess, over the years itââ¬â¢s become easier and easier.ââ¬Â http://www.jewreview.net/article.php?id=1315 http://www.syfyportal.com/news423523.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use
Re: Scifiholic speaks out Re: [scifinoir2] Painkiller Jane Series Premiere
did you see the crap with Robert Chakotay Beltran from Voyager? It was about a sentient fire creature running around immolating people. Junk! Then there was the one about gargoyles, which was yet another of the SciFi Originals with incredibly bad FX. Why are their films sporting CGI that looks ten years out of date? seriousl, I've seen better on home PCs -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] In perfect honesty, I watch almost every Saturday. Always with the sound off (I'm weird that way, rarely watch TV with sound, relying on Closed Caption). At least every other week, I ahve to turn off the captioning, because I get too far into my MSTie rant and lose track of the program. I even write mini-reviews of some of the movies. Allow me to share the one from the spectacular Kaw. Never more. Never more. Seriously. It's the sole purpose behind my viewing them, having a list of movies to pick from when I realize my dream of restarting the MST3K franchise. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The truth shall set me free huh? OK, lemme give it a try. But it the group starts to throw stones at me, it will be your fault. So, here is my confession, While I have finally given up on decent scifi movies on Saturdays, when scifi channel first started the Saturday night D movie programming, I watched regularly for at least 8 weeks hoping that some of the movies would be good campy fun. Even after I went cold turkey and stopped watching, I fell off the wagon at least six times. However, I'm happy to report, that I have only watched two D movies straight through in the past 12 months. OK, your turn to 'fess up. Tracey Martin wrote: Tracey, not long after I chose the username I carry aound 'Net-wide, I read a quote from someone (need to find out who), that went, In order to seek the truth in all things, you have to *speak* the truth in all things. If it's truly bad, lady, NEVER HOLD BACK. ;) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: I plead the 5th. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow, Tracey, you're bad as me: you'll sometimes watch almost anything to get a scifi fix. if *you* hate it, it must be bad. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) Craptastic is being kind. there was a robot in it who was always dieing an coming back to life. They actor would crack/title his nect to the side whenever he came back. I wanted to break it for him. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't believe I've never seen this show, not even to dog it out. Was it as bad as the awful series Adrian Highlander Paul was in, the one where he was tracking down rogue aliens on Earth, Alien Tracker? -- Original message -- From: Martin Keith, whyfor you insult Vulcans so? Seriously, this is nothing more in my eyes than Codename: Eternity (was that the name of that craptastic show?) with a slightly better-looking lead. *Slightly*... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone catch this besides me? Man, this was just awful: cliched, predictable, boring. Some of the stuff that hit me from the start: * Kristanna Loken isn't a very good actress. She was stiff and delivered her lines with all the emotion of a Vulcan. Maybe it was the dialogue and uninspired writing, which were sho' 'nuff problems,but I doubt it. But then, what reason is there to expect the latest Terminator to have acting ability? * Within five minutes of the opening, the show was in one of those cliched (using that word again!) underground rave-type clubs with the pulse-pounding music and young people from Central Casting posing and dancing wildly, while obvious bad guys skulk in their midst doing drug deals. Truly one of the most overused scenes in such shows outside of strip clubs. Booorinng! * The first--and only, I might add--of the good guys to get killed was a brother. Sad thing is, soon as I saw him I thought This show's gonna kill that Black man. Bingo! There is another Brother left, but of course he's older and out of shape, not young and/or hunky like the rest of the cast. he was already punked by Jane. Surprise! * Will someone *Please* teach these new directors that herky-jerky and tilting camera work is *not* a good way to add action to a scene? Just makes it confused and amateurish-looking. Who's running film school these days, Michael Bay?! * The good guys are another one of those shadow-type groups that hang out in a hidden warehouse HQ with high-tech equipment, and who are answerable only to ourselves. How original! * There is of course a resident computer geek, and of course he's the oddball who wears stocking caps, tennis
Re: [scifinoir2] Matthew Fox To be Racer X
Forget all that--what I wanna know is, who's the voice coach?! They have *got* to talk in that ridiculous run-on way that the American translation gave us back in the day. That was great! -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fox Races To Speed Matthew Fox (ABC's Lost) is in final negotiations to play Racer X in Larry and Andy Wachowski's upcoming live-action Speed Racer movie, according to The Hollywood Reporter. The movie, based on the 1960s animated TV series, comes from Warner Brothers and producer Joel Silver. Australian actor Kick Gurry, meanwhile, is in negotiations to play Sparky, Speed Racer's hippie mechanic. Emile Hirsch, Christina Ricci, Susan Sarandon and John Goodman have already been cast in the film, which will shoot in the summer in Berlin. Speed centers on a young race-car driver, Speed (Hirsch), and his quest for glory in his gadget-laden Mach 5. Fox will play Speed's mysterious racing rival, an enigmatic soldier of fortune. Fox will fit Speed Racer in around the series' summer hiatus. http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=41156 Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Scifiholic speaks out Re: [scifinoir2] Painkiller Jane Series Premiere
This one dealt with a bunch of pilots fighting the creatures in the skies above Europe, I think. It must have been a WWII era pic. The gargoyle CGI sucked! I guess it's all about profit, but nothing's worse than bad CGI. Heck, *good* CGI can sometimes bother me, as it's still too obviously not real. The Spider-Man movies, for example, are great, but the CGI leaves a lot to be desired. SciFi seems to have decided they can put out crap with crap CGI on the cheap. For example, did you see the movie about some giant killer cyborg/clone monster that was stalking German soldiers in WWII? The thing was so obviously CGI it was awful! I have video games whose cut-scene characters are more realistic looking that that. Or how 'bout that flick with Dean Superman Cain where a cloned dragon is stalking the corridors of an underground research lab? It's horrible because every single scene of the monster is obviously the exact same one! There's that horrible film that takes place on an is land where Coolio (!) is playing a Special Forces commander whose men are menaced by monsters. The monsters are so fake-looking, it's almost as laughable as Coolio playing a military man! The sad thing is, men in costume--like the ones in the orginal Gargoyles with Cornel Wilde--look better than the bad CGI on SciFi. Heck, for that matter, I'd take the old stop-motion beasties of Ray Harryhausen over that! -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are you referring to the gargoyle picture with the girls from Roswell? That wasn't that bad. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did you see the crap with Robert Chakotay Beltran from Voyager? It was about a sentient fire creature running around immolating people. Junk! Then there was the one about gargoyles, which was yet another of the SciFi Originals with incredibly bad FX. Why are their films sporting CGI that looks ten years out of date? seriousl, I've seen better on home PCs -- Original message -- From: Martin In perfect honesty, I watch almost every Saturday. Always with the sound off (I'm weird that way, rarely watch TV with sound, relying on Closed Caption). At least every other week, I ahve to turn off the captioning, because I get too far into my MSTie rant and lose track of the program. I even write mini-reviews of some of the movies. Allow me to share the one from the spectacular Kaw. Never more. Never more. Seriously. It's the sole purpose behind my viewing them, having a list of movies to pick from when I realize my dream of restarting the MST3K franchise. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: The truth shall set me free huh? OK, lemme give it a try. But it the group starts to throw stones at me, it will be your fault. So, here is my confession, While I have finally given up on decent scifi movies on Saturdays, when scifi channel first started the Saturday night D movie programming, I watched regularly for at least 8 weeks hoping that some of the movies would be good campy fun. Even after I went cold turkey and stopped watching, I fell off the wagon at least six times. However, I'm happy to report, that I have only watched two D movies straight through in the past 12 months. OK, your turn to 'fess up. Tracey Martin wrote: Tracey, not long after I chose the username I carry aound 'Net-wide, I read a quote from someone (need to find out who), that went, In order to seek the truth in all things, you have to *speak* the truth in all things. If it's truly bad, lady, NEVER HOLD BACK. ;) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: I plead the 5th. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow, Tracey, you're bad as me: you'll sometimes watch almost anything to get a scifi fix. if *you* hate it, it must be bad. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) Craptastic is being kind. there was a robot in it who was always dieing an coming back to life. They actor would crack/title his nect to the side whenever he came back. I wanted to break it for him. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't believe I've never seen this show, not even to dog it out. Was it as bad as the awful series Adrian Highlander Paul was in, the one where he was tracking down rogue aliens on Earth, Alien Tracker? -- Original message -- From: Martin Keith, whyfor you insult Vulcans so? Seriously, this is nothing more in my eyes than Codename: Eternity (was that the name of that craptastic show?) with a slightly better-looking lead.
Re: [scifinoir2] Universal Remaking Colossus : The Forbin Project
one of my fav scifi movies from back in the day. I remember when Dr. Forbin asks Colossus for permission to use the bathroom or have women over without being monitored by Colossus' cameras, and the computer responsds no. Or how he has several military guys who'd plotted his overthrow executed by their own men, the bodies to be left untouched for a week as an abject lesson. It was *really* scary when Colossus merged with its Russian counterpart. And that ending, when they fitted him with a voice, and he says In time you and your children will come to love me, even as God. Wow! I hope Howard brings a deft touch and doesn't bury the theme in a bunch of overblown action and adventure. This isn't a film that needs to be a blockbuster, in my opinion. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Universal Remaking Colossus Universal and Imagine Entertainment will remake the 1970 SF drama Colossus: The Forbin Project, about a computer that takes over the world, as a potential directing vehicle for Ron Howard, Variety reported. Brian Grazer will produce. Jason Rothenberg has been set to write the screenplay for the remake, which will be called simply Colossus. Based on a book by D.F. Jones, the original film was a forerunner of movies such as The Terminator, introducing the idea of a government-built computer that becomes sentient. Rothenberg will use the original's premise as a springboard and will incorporate two subsequent Colossus novels written by Jones to create a broader story. Universal is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] I watched Pain Killer Jane yesterday...
you shoulda trusted my post the other day and spared yourself the, eh--pain--of Painkiller Jane! So, what was the worst for you, Loken's stiff acting, the cliched characters and settings, the bad music and music video camera work, the Heroes ripoff plot, or the fact they killed the one brother?! -- Original message -- From: drcsaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] What the EARTHSEA?!?!?!?!?! I felt like that guy in Clockwork Orange who's eyes were pinned open at the end of the movie. (I see Nick Cage is doing that in Next). I couldn't watch Pain Killer Jane longer than 10 minutes. My lady friend sitting next to me asked me why I was watching PKJ and I said answered her that I wanted to see if its as bad as people say it is. She then ask me, How can you tell how bad it is if your your face is in your hands and your looking at the floor shaking your head? Because I can hear it., I answered. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Universal Remaking Colossus : The Forbin Project
wow, I never knew that. Now I'm really intrigued as to what Howard will use as the source material. Modern movies in the scifi realm are unfortunately in the main leaving intelligent writing and true suspense behind. But Howard is an older director and intelligent, so one can hope. I'm just not in the mood for this to be yet another FX/explosion-filled affair. -- Original message -- From: Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] I hope that they stick closer to the book version because what is done there was a whole lot more realistic than what the movie implied...Like for instance, what you said about the incident where Colossus had the military officers killed for 'treason'; he actually left the bodies out for a week to ensure that they were dead as he didn't quite understand the concept of death as well as not trusting those who carry out the excecution. There was another incident where he had one of the scientists who conspired to destroy him shot, decpitated and immmersed in a tak of water for several hours to ensure he was dead as well as satiate his curiosity about death...If they spent as much time on the psychology of the computer, I think it would come off more chilling than what we saw in the TV movie... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one of my fav scifi movies from back in the day. I remember when Dr. Forbin asks Colossus for permission to use the bathroom or have women over without being monitored by Colossus' cameras, and the computer responsds no. Or how he has several military guys who'd plotted his overthrow executed by their own men, the bodies to be left untouched for a week as an abject lesson. It was *really* scary when Colossus merged with its Russian counterpart. And that ending, when they fitted him with a voice, and he says In time you and your children will come to love me, even as God. Wow! I hope Howard brings a deft touch and doesn't bury the theme in a bunch of overblown action and adventure. This isn't a film that needs to be a blockbuster, in my opinion. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Universal Remaking Colossus Universal and Imagine Entertainment will remake the 1970 SF drama Colossus: The Forbin Project, about a computer that takes over the world, as a potential directing vehicle for Ron Howard, Variety reported. Brian Grazer will produce. Jason Rothenberg has been set to write the screenplay for the remake, which will be called simply Colossus. Based on a book by D.F. Jones, the original film was a forerunner of movies such as The Terminator, introducing the idea of a government-built computer that becomes sentient. Rothenberg will use the original's premise as a springboard and will incorporate two subsequent Colossus novels written by Jones to create a broader story. Universal is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Lets just saying you know more than you think, but were not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Waayy OT: Armed Miss America 1944 stops intruder
This is OT, but I had to send this one. Mamma wasn't messing around! * Armed Miss America 1944 stops intruder Fri Apr 20, 8:16 PM ET Miss America 1944 has a talent that likely has never appeared on a beauty pageant stage: She fired a handgun to shoot out a vehicle's tires and stop an intruder. Venus Ramey, 82, confronted a man on her farm in south-central Kentucky last week after she saw her dog run into a storage building where thieves had previously made off with old farm equipment. Ramey said the man told her he would leave. I said, 'Oh, no you won't,' and I shot their tires so they couldn't leave, Ramey said. She had to balance on her walker as she pulled out a snub-nosed .38-caliber handgun. I didn't even think twice. I just went and did it, she said. If they'd even dared come close to me, they'd be 6 feet under by now. Ramey then flagged down a passing motorist, who called 911. Curtis Parrish of Ohio was charged with misdemeanor trespassing, Deputy Dan Gilliam said. The man's hometown wasn't immediately available. Three other people were questioned but were not arrested. After winning the pageant with her singing, dancing and comedic talents, Ramey sold war bonds and her picture was adorned on a B-17 that made missions over Germany in World War II, according to the Miss America Web site. Ramey lived in Cincinnati for several years and was instrumental in helping rejuvenate Over-the-Rhine historic buildings. She returned to Kentucky in 1990 to live on her farm. I'm trying to live a quiet, peaceful life and stay out of trouble, and all it is, is one thing after another, she said. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] OT: Catholic Church buries limbo after centuries
Wow, this is really something. Sometimes--many times, in truth--I do understand why some of my friends are atheists or agnostics. It does seem that Man grafts so much of his own fears, needs, greed, etc.onto religious truth that such truth can be twisted all out of recognition. Limbo wasn't really belived in by most in the Catholic church, yet they had to get around to removing it from the literature? So many concepts of sin and morality seem to be based on the mores of the current times and political/social climates, not on a true connection to God. For example, I look back with chagrin remembering a time when I had to consciously get comfortable with the idea of female preachers. The church in which I was raised teaches the old time belief that men alone should be preachers, and as a kid, I didn't really question that too much. Of course, as my family will tell you, I basically question *everything* in life--with one notable exception being the existence of a God--so I got a round to the gender thing too. I had to look at history and realize the attitudes of the church were based on societal attitudes about women, just as the Mormons used to teach that we blacks weren't worthy of the same grace as whites, or how there have been times when churches would teach that long hair on men was improper, yet be okay worshipping a Jesus with same. I had to make myself get over that prejudice. So much of what we accept from organized religion needs to be examined closely. And times like these, so many who claim to follow God twist the truth to serve their own ends. A friend of mine likes to say that Jesus never meant to start a religion. I get that. I believe in God, but man, do people make it hard! Catholic Church buries limbo after centuries By Philip PullellaFri Apr 20, 2:21 PM ET The Roman Catholic Church has effectively buried the concept of limbo, the place where centuries of tradition and teaching held that babies who die without baptism went. In a long-awaited document, the Church's International Theological Commission said limbo reflected an unduly restrictive view of salvation. The 41-page document was published on Friday by Origins, the documentary service of the U.S.-based Catholic News Service, which is part of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. Pope Benedict, himself a top theologian who before his election in 2005 expressed doubts about limbo, authorized the publication of the document, called The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die Without Being Baptised. The verdict that limbo could now rest in peace had been expected for years. The document was seen as most likely the final word since limbo was never part of Church doctrine, even though it was taught to Catholics well into the 20th century. The conclusion of this study is that there are theological and liturgical reasons to hope that infants who die without baptism may be saved and brought into eternal happiness even if there is not an explicit teaching on this question found in revelation, it said. There are reasons to hope that God will save these infants precisely because it was not possible (to baptize them). The Church teaches that baptism removes original sin which stains all souls since the fall from grace in the Garden of Eden. NO NEGATION OF BAPTISM The document stressed that its conclusions should not be interpreted as questioning original sin or used to negate the necessity of baptism or delay the conferral of the sacrament. Limbo, which comes from the Latin word meaning border or edge, was considered by medieval theologians to be a state or place reserved for the unbaptized dead, including good people who lived before the coming of Christ. People find it increasingly difficult to accept that God is just and merciful if he excludes infants, who have no personal sins, from eternal happiness, whether they are Christian or non-Christian, the document said. It said the study was made all the more pressing because the number of nonbaptised infants has grown considerably, and therefore the reflection on the possibility of salvation for these infants has become urgent. The commission's conclusions had been widely expected. In writings before his election as Pope in 2005, the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger made it clear he believed the concept of limbo should be abandoned because it was only a theological hypothesis and never a defined truth of faith. In the Divine Comedy, Dante placed virtuous pagans and great classical philosophers, including Plato and Socrates, in limbo. The Catholic Church's official catechism, issued in 1992 after decades of work, dropped the mention of limbo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Scifiholic speaks out Re: [scifinoir2] Painkiller Jane Series Premiere
I posted a reply to Tracey listing crappy movies ,and I talked of a cyborg/clone monster thingie with crap CGI. SS Doomtrooper was it! -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, yeah. He was all in that role. :P And that gargoyle fun-fest...I'm still shaking my head. Reminded me of the SS Doomtrooper crap. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did you see the crap with Robert Chakotay Beltran from Voyager? It was about a sentient fire creature running around immolating people. Junk! Then there was the one about gargoyles, which was yet another of the SciFi Originals with incredibly bad FX. Why are their films sporting CGI that looks ten years out of date? seriousl, I've seen better on home PCs -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] In perfect honesty, I watch almost every Saturday. Always with the sound off (I'm weird that way, rarely watch TV with sound, relying on Closed Caption). At least every other week, I ahve to turn off the captioning, because I get too far into my MSTie rant and lose track of the program. I even write mini-reviews of some of the movies. Allow me to share the one from the spectacular Kaw. Never more. Never more. Seriously. It's the sole purpose behind my viewing them, having a list of movies to pick from when I realize my dream of restarting the MST3K franchise. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The truth shall set me free huh? OK, lemme give it a try. But it the group starts to throw stones at me, it will be your fault. So, here is my confession, While I have finally given up on decent scifi movies on Saturdays, when scifi channel first started the Saturday night D movie programming, I watched regularly for at least 8 weeks hoping that some of the movies would be good campy fun. Even after I went cold turkey and stopped watching, I fell off the wagon at least six times. However, I'm happy to report, that I have only watched two D movies straight through in the past 12 months. OK, your turn to 'fess up. Tracey Martin wrote: Tracey, not long after I chose the username I carry aound 'Net-wide, I read a quote from someone (need to find out who), that went, In order to seek the truth in all things, you have to *speak* the truth in all things. If it's truly bad, lady, NEVER HOLD BACK. ;) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: I plead the 5th. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow, Tracey, you're bad as me: you'll sometimes watch almost anything to get a scifi fix. if *you* hate it, it must be bad. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) Craptastic is being kind. there was a robot in it who was always dieing an coming back to life. They actor would crack/title his nect to the side whenever he came back. I wanted to break it for him. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't believe I've never seen this show, not even to dog it out. Was it as bad as the awful series Adrian Highlander Paul was in, the one where he was tracking down rogue aliens on Earth, Alien Tracker? -- Original message -- From: Martin Keith, whyfor you insult Vulcans so? Seriously, this is nothing more in my eyes than Codename: Eternity (was that the name of that craptastic show?) with a slightly better-looking lead. *Slightly*... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone catch this besides me? Man, this was just awful: cliched, predictable, boring. Some of the stuff that hit me from the start: * Kristanna Loken isn't a very good actress. She was stiff and delivered her lines with all the emotion of a Vulcan. Maybe it was the dialogue and uninspired writing, which were sho' 'nuff problems,but I doubt it. But then, what reason is there to expect the latest Terminator to have acting ability? * Within five minutes of the opening, the show was in one of those cliched (using that word again!) underground rave-type clubs with the pulse-pounding music and young people from Central Casting posing and dancing wildly, while obvious bad guys skulk in their midst doing drug deals. Truly one of the most overused scenes in such shows outside of strip clubs. Booorinng! * The first--and only, I might add--of the good guys to get killed was a brother. Sad thing is, soon as I saw him I thought This show's gonna kill that Black man. Bingo! There is another Brother left, but of course he's older and out of shape, not young and/or hunky like the rest of the cast. he was already punked by Jane. Surprise! * Will someone *Please* teach these new directors that herky-jerky and tilting camera work is *not* a good way to add action to a scene? Just makes it confused and amateurish-looking.
Re: [scifinoir2] Universal Remaking Colossus : The Forbin Project
What you say about the trilogy, and Colossus coming back, reminds me of a series by scifi writer Jack Chalker, Rings of the Master. Ever read it? It takes place centuries in the future, in which the galaxy is ruled by a master computer. A group of diverse humans undertakes the mission of shutting down the computer, which can be done by finding five rings which are actually electronic circuits, then taking those rings to the computer's original control interface. The computer has grown to the point where it's literally expanded itself throughout the galaxy, but its core program--dating back to its initial programming--provides for an override sequence. The computer can't destroy the code, nor destroy the rings, but it does take license by hiding the rings and the location of its master control panel. A pretty good series, full of Chalker's signature strangeness of dealing with humans as basical biochemical machines, and his penchant for playing round with sexual identity and s uch. -- Original message -- From: Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, you're right...we can only hope... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow, I never knew that. Now I'm really intrigued as to what Howard will use as the source material. Modern movies in the scifi realm are unfortunately in the main leaving intelligent writing and true suspense behind. But Howard is an older director and intelligent, so one can hope. I'm just not in the mood for this to be yet another FX/explosion-filled affair. -- Original message -- From: Astromancer I hope that they stick closer to the book version because what is done there was a whole lot more realistic than what the movie implied...Like for instance, what you said about the incident where Colossus had the military officers killed for 'treason'; he actually left the bodies out for a week to ensure that they were dead as he didn't quite understand the concept of death as well as not trusting those who carry out the excecution. There was another incident where he had one of the scientists who conspired to destroy him shot, decpitated and immmersed in a tak of water for several hours to ensure he was dead as well as satiate his curiosity about death...If they spent as much time on the psychology of the computer, I think it would come off more chilling than what we saw in the TV movie... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one of my fav scifi movies from back in the day. I remember when Dr. Forbin asks Colossus for permission to use the bathroom or have women over without being monitored by Colossus' cameras, and the computer responsds no. Or how he has several military guys who'd plotted his overthrow executed by their own men, the bodies to be left untouched for a week as an abject lesson. It was *really* scary when Colossus merged with its Russian counterpart. And that ending, when they fitted him with a voice, and he says In time you and your children will come to love me, even as God. Wow! I hope Howard brings a deft touch and doesn't bury the theme in a bunch of overblown action and adventure. This isn't a film that needs to be a blockbuster, in my opinion. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) Universal Remaking Colossus Universal and Imagine Entertainment will remake the 1970 SF drama Colossus: The Forbin Project, about a computer that takes over the world, as a potential directing vehicle for Ron Howard, Variety reported. Brian Grazer will produce. Jason Rothenberg has been set to write the screenplay for the remake, which will be called simply Colossus. Based on a book by D.F. Jones, the original film was a forerunner of movies such as The Terminator, introducing the idea of a government-built computer that becomes sentient. Rothenberg will use the original's premise as a springboard and will incorporate two subsequent Colossus novels written by Jones to create a broader story. Universal is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Lets just saying you know more than you think, but were not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Lets just saying you know more than you think, but were not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your
Re: Scifiholic speaks out Re: [scifinoir2] Painkiller Jane Series Premiere
How about Ssss? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I challenge you guys to recall a title crappier than KAW Tracey Astromancer wrote: Hmm...Even the title is crappy! [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: I posted a reply to Tracey listing crappy movies ,and I talked of a cyborg/clone monster thingie with crap CGI. SS Doomtrooper was it! -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com Oh, yeah. He was all in that role. :P And that gargoyle fun-fest...I'm still shaking my head. Reminded me of the SS Doomtrooper crap. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: did you see the crap with Robert Chakotay Beltran from Voyager? It was about a sentient fire creature running around immolating people. Junk! Then there was the one about gargoyles, which was yet another of the SciFi Originals with incredibly bad FX. Why are their films sporting CGI that looks ten years out of date? seriousl, I've seen better on home PCs -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com In perfect honesty, I watch almost every Saturday. Always with the sound off (I'm weird that way, rarely watch TV with sound, relying on Closed Caption). At least every other week, I ahve to turn off the captioning, because I get too far into my MSTie rant and lose track of the program. I even write mini-reviews of some of the movies. Allow me to share the one from the spectacular Kaw. Never more. Never more. Seriously. It's the sole purpose behind my viewing them, having a list of movies to pick from when I realize my dream of restarting the MST3K franchise. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: The truth shall set me free huh? OK, lemme give it a try. But it the group starts to throw stones at me, it will be your fault. So, here is my confession, While I have finally given up on decent scifi movies on Saturdays, when scifi channel first started the Saturday night D movie programming, I watched regularly for at least 8 weeks hoping that some of the movies would be good campy fun. Even after I went cold turkey and stopped watching, I fell off the wagon at least six times. However, I'm happy to report, that I have only watched two D movies straight through in the past 12 months. OK, your turn to 'fess up. Tracey Martin wrote: Tracey, not long after I chose the username I carry aound 'Net-wide, I read a quote from someone (need to find out who), that went, In order to seek the truth in all things, you have to *speak* the truth in all things. If it's truly bad, lady, NEVER HOLD BACK. ;) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: I plead the 5th. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: wow, Tracey, you're bad as me: you'll sometimes watch almost anything to get a scifi fix. if *you* hate it, it must be bad. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) Craptastic is being kind. there was a robot in it who was always dieing an coming back to life. They actor would crack/title his nect to the side whenever he came back. I wanted to break it for him. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: Can't believe I've never seen this show, not even to dog it out. Was it as bad as the awful series Adrian Highlander Paul was in, the one where he was tracking down rogue aliens on Earth, Alien Tracker? -- Original message -- From: Martin Keith, whyfor you insult Vulcans so? Seriously, this is nothing more in my eyes than Codename: Eternity (was that the name of that craptastic show?) with a slightly better-looking lead. *Slightly*... [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: Anyone catch this besides me? Man, this was just awful: cliched, predictable, boring. Some of the stuff that hit me from the start: * Kristanna Loken isn't a very good actress. She was stiff and delivered her lines with all the emotion of a Vulcan. Maybe it was the dialogue and uninspired writing, which were sho' 'nuff problems,but I doubt it. But then, what reason is there to expect the latest Terminator to have acting ability? * Within five minutes of the opening, the show was in one of those cliched (using that word again!) underground rave-type clubs with the pulse-pounding music and young people from Central Casting posing and dancing wildly, while obvious bad guys skulk in their midst doing drug
Re: Scifiholic speaks out Re: [scifinoir2] Painkiller Jane Series Premiere
huh?? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] S speaks to the socil dynamic of snakes. You buy that Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about Ssss? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I challenge you guys to recall a title crappier than KAW Tracey Astromancer wrote: Hmm...Even the title is crappy! [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: I posted a reply to Tracey listing crappy movies ,and I talked of a cyborg/clone monster thingie with crap CGI. SS Doomtrooper was it! -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com Oh, yeah. He was all in that role. :P And that gargoyle fun-fest...I'm still shaking my head. Reminded me of the SS Doomtrooper crap. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: did you see the crap with Robert Chakotay Beltran from Voyager? It was about a sentient fire creature running around immolating people. Junk! Then there was the one about gargoyles, which was yet another of the SciFi Originals with incredibly bad FX. Why are their films sporting CGI that looks ten years out of date? seriousl, I've seen better on home PCs -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com In perfect honesty, I watch almost every Saturday. Always with the sound off (I'm weird that way, rarely watch TV with sound, relying on Closed Caption). At least every other week, I ahve to turn off the captioning, because I get too far into my MSTie rant and lose track of the program. I even write mini-reviews of some of the movies. Allow me to share the one from the spectacular Kaw. Never more. Never more. Seriously. It's the sole purpose behind my viewing them, having a list of movies to pick from when I realize my dream of restarting the MST3K franchise. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: The truth shall set me free huh? OK, lemme give it a try. But it the group starts to throw stones at me, it will be your fault. So, here is my confession, While I have finally given up on decent scifi movies on Saturdays, when scifi channel first started the Saturday night D movie programming, I watched regularly for at least 8 weeks hoping that some of the movies would be good campy fun. Even after I went cold turkey and stopped watching, I fell off the wagon at least six times. However, I'm happy to report, that I have only watched two D movies straight through in the past 12 months. OK, your turn to 'fess up. Tracey Martin wrote: Tracey, not long after I chose the username I carry aound 'Net-wide, I read a quote from someone (need to find out who), that went, In order to seek the truth in all things, you have to *speak* the truth in all things. If it's truly bad, lady, NEVER HOLD BACK. ;) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: I plead the 5th. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: wow, Tracey, you're bad as me: you'll sometimes watch almost anything to get a scifi fix. if *you* hate it, it must be bad. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) Craptastic is being kind. there was a robot in it who was always dieing an coming back to life. They actor would crack/title his nect to the side whenever he came back. I wanted to break it for him. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: Can't believe I've never seen this show, not even to dog it out. Was it as bad as the awful series Adrian Highlander Paul was in, the one where he was tracking down rogue aliens on Earth, Alien Tracker? -- Original message -- From: Martin Keith, whyfor you insult Vulcans so? Seriously, this is nothing more in my eyes than Codename: Eternity (was that the name of that craptastic show?) with a slightly better-looking lead. *Slightly*... [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: Anyone catch this besides me? Man, this was just awful: cliched, predictable, boring. Some of the stuff that hit me from the start: * Kristanna Loken isn't a very good actress. She was stiff and delivered her lines with all the emotion of a Vulcan. Maybe it was the dialogue and uninspired writing, which were sho' 'nuff problems,but I doubt it. But then, what reason is there to expect the latest Terminator to have acting ability? * Within five minutes of the opening, the show was in one of those cliched (using that word again!) underground rave-type clubs with the pulse-pounding music and young people from Central
Re: [scifinoir2] Fav B Movie - Worse B Movie
A modern one that I'm really liking is Decoys, starring Nicole Eggert. it's about a group of nubile cheerleaders on a small college campus who are actually aliens that feed on humans. It's camp and funny and very entertaining. You may remember i posted on it last year while watching it at 4 am! And wonder of wonders, it's airing on Sci Fi *right now*! -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] all this talk of really bad movies, bad me decide to post the following... What is your favorite B-Movie and what do you think is the worse b-movie you have seen. My favorite is Night of the Comet. Tracey Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Fav B Movie - Worse B Movie
I don't think Decoys was a Sci Fi Original. Just a few years ago, the bulk of the movies aired on Sci Fi were films they'd obtained from other sources. Things like Re-Animator, Lake Placid, a bunch of Steven King miniseries, etc. I think Decoy was from that group. Almost without fail, the Originals have been very crappy in writing, and distinguished by supposedly more modern, but miserable, CGI. -- Original message -- From: Oyabun of Beats [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wasn't Decoys a (gasp) Sci-FI Original? If so, I think I remember being a little impressed by the opening cinematography, then being horribly put off by the opening bit of dialogue. Do any of the Robocops count as B movies now? I think it's clear that Robocop 2 deserves to be on all of our lists. On Apr 24, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: I really liked Screamers. Didn't see SSDoomtrooper Tracey B. Smith wrote: SS Doomtrooper and Screamers are two of my faves. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A modern one that I'm really liking is Decoys, starring Nicole Eggert. it's about a group of nubile cheerleaders on a small college campus who are actually aliens that feed on humans. It's camp and funny and very entertaining. You may remember i posted on it last year while watching it at 4 am! And wonder of wonders, it's airing on Sci Fi *right now*! -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] all this talk of really bad movies, bad me decide to post the following... What is your favorite B-Movie and what do you think is the worse b-movie you have seen. My favorite is Night of the Comet. Tracey Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Fav B Movie - Worse B Movie
I remember that one, but not sure if it's the original movie with that theme, which has been done to death. I think I saw one with Nia Peeples just a couple of years ago with the same theme. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I totally missed that. I'm making a list of this thread of B-movies to rent. This is good stuff. By the way B-Movie Rutger Hauer made a movie I like where he is a prisoner who where a ring around his neck that will explode if he is not near the prisoner with the matching rink. They discover eachother and escape, ultimately defeating their foes and falling in love. Anyone remember it or know the name? Tracey Martin wrote: Another personal favorite of mine- Crossworlds with Josh Sports Night CHarles and Rutger Middle-Age Spread Hauer. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: Some more I like: ~Amanda and The Alien with Michael Dorn, Stacy Keach and Nicole Eggert ~Yesterday's Target with LeVar Burton, Malcolm McDowell, T.K. Carter, Daniel Baldwin ~Starcrossed with James Spader ~Tremors I - NOT THE TV SHOW ~Time Runner with Mark Hamil and Rae Dawn Chong Tracey Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: Here are some other B-movies I like 20 Million Miles to Earth Anything Edgar Rice Burroughs Rocky Horror Picture Show Them There are a few Vincent Price, Christopher Lee, Peter Cushing, Doug McClure movies that I should include, but Their names escape me. Tracey Martin wrote: Millennium. Qualifies as Excederin Headache Number 0... Oyabun of Beats wrote: My Gods. Night Of The Comet is my #2 of ALL. TIME. Every time it's on I HAVE to watch it. It's got everything you don't need! Zombies, a cheerleader, video games, wack cover songs of 80's music...Chakotay as a truck driver...all it needs is Kung Fu and it's a masterpiece of a horrible B movie. But, my number ONE choice? Are you KIDDING? Millennium. 1989. Cheryl Ladd, Kris Kristofferson, Daniel J. Travanti. We've talked about this already. It simply is THE worst science fiction B movie of all time. YES. Including Star Trek 5. Behold, the plot: An investigator seeking the cause of an airline disaster discovers the involvement of an organisation of time travellers from a future Earth irreparably polluted who seek to rejuvenate the human race from those about to die in the past. Based on a novel by John Varley. On Apr 22, 2007, at 12:39 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: all this talk of really bad movies, bad me decide to post the following... What is your favorite B-Movie and what do you think is the worse b- movie you have seen. My favorite is Night of the Comet. Tracey Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] My B-Movie Dream Re: Fav B Movie - Worse B Movie
The Sean of the Dead people would have a field day with that concept! It's a great one, that could be full of all kinds of satirical jabs at the industry. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] All this talk of bad movies and B-Movies caused me to have a dream in which there was a serial killer who was running around killing the writers, producers, directors and stars of bad b movies and the industry. As a result the industry started to dry up because they couldn't catch him and everyone was afraid that he might think their movie was bad. Sounds like a treatment for a B-Movie Tracey Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
