[ZION] Einstein and religion

Allow me to come back here just long enough to tell you about a link I found while researching some work (no, really). Someone here was writing about the idea that "God is dead" and related things about 20th-century beliefs and disbeliefs. I found a link wherein Albert Einstein discusses some

RE: [ZION] Genetic Republicans

> I have an amazing tolerance for perversity, which perhaps > explains why I abide your insufferable sanctimony with grin > and a groan. My friends, I've had enough of taking (and witnessing) abuse in what is supposed to be a friendly forum. If I were more mature, I would follow the example of

RE: [ZION] Genetic Republicans

-Ron- > REPUBLICANISM SHOWN TO BE GENETIC IN ORIGIN This is about as funny as the Hillary Clinton joke posted a few days ago, and in about as good taste. Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// ht

RE: [ZION] Martha Stewart Guilty

-JWR- > Martha Stewart is guilty on all counts. On all remaining counts, perhaps. Several (the most serious, I think) were dismissed a week or two ago. I think it's a pity. If she's guilty, then she needs to pay the penalty, but I haven't seen any convincing evidence. I think it was part wi

RE: [ZION] Cool Riddle

-Jonathan- > Name something that is better than God, that dead people eat > all of the time, and that if you eat it you will die? I think I know it, but I ain't guessin' nuthin' 'less you ask me to. Stephen (Fast Sunday coming up)

RE: [ZION] The Return of the King

-Tilly- > Last winter I decided to take the Beecroft challenge and see > what really was in Pride and Prejudice Till! I'm flattered. And glad to hear you enjoyed it, eventually at least. > Her style has to grow on you, I guess. Orson Scott Card, LDS writer of fiction/science fiction/fantasy,

RE: [ZION] The Return of the King

-Tom- > I found the Tolkein movie that I watched (something about rings > I think) Just curious if there's a Tolkien movie that isn't "about rings"... > to be a tiresome road movie where the heroes kept getting into > impossible situations for no apparent reason and then being > rescued in the be

RE: [ZION] Very cold news sources

-Ron- > network of stringers in virtually every berg in the world. Enjoying the mental picture of CNN correspondents huddled, shivering, on various icebergs floating around the north Atlantic... A visiting Asian* seated himself on an airplane next to the window, and was shortly joined by a man

RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition

-Ron- > I love the way some of you apply gospel doctrine in your lives. > Amazing. I've gotta tell you, Ron, that I've been thinking exactly the same thing while reading your posts to this list for the last week. Stephen //

[ZION] "Mother" Teresa

Christopher Hitchens hates "Mother" Teresa. This is not a secret. Given some of Hitchens' proclivities, I am not necessarily prone to uncritical acceptance of his viewpoint, but the man is very intelligent and, I think, makes a few good points. (Not that I know enough about the issues to mak

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[ZION] Hai karate?

About seventeen years ago, I lived at BYU with my cousin in a big old yellow polygamist house in Provo (5th East and 7th North, across the street from the laundromat there) that had been divided into four apartments. The smallest of those apartments was inhabited by a guy who taught ninjutsu,

[ZION] My intro

Who am I? Think back to high school. Remember the coolest kid there? He was incredibly smart, but so athletic that the jocks wanted to hang with him anyway. He was so good-looking that the cheerleaders all wanted to date him, but his girlfriend was the friendly but shy girl with braces that

RE: [ZION] Dungeons and Dragons

-Cousin Bill- > It decided I would be a Chaotic Good Half-Elf Bard. -JWR- > I'm a neutral, good, human, fighter, ranger. I'm a confused bipolar half-Romulan smuggler accountant. Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please

RE: [ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love

-Ron- > Ah, the Church of Ezra resurrects itself. Who is its profit: Reed? I don't understand this. Why would the prophet's words in General Conference constitute the "Church of Ezra"? And why would Reed Benson be called its "profit"? While I don't know Reed Benson personally, I have had a f

RE: [ZION] Whom God hateth

-Stephen- > However, as I pointed out, the very wording of the scriptural > verses I cited shows that God hates the person or people being > named< [Note that I believe you were replying to an earlier, erroneously-sent version of my email. Possibly I expressed myself somewhat more clearly in th

RE: [ZION] Repentance from adultery (was: RE: Is God's Love Unconditional?)

-Grampa Bill- > Not at all certain of this, but it appears that this might be > instruction rather than doctrine. In this matter, I would be much more inclined to trust the understanding of a bishop/former bishop than my own. (Especially since my understanding of this principle is, as I mentio

[ZION] Definitions (was: RE: Eternal Life vs. Immortality)

-Ron- > To me, immortality and eternal life have the same meaning. Your > definition of "immortality" is mine for "salvatation." Yours > for "eternal life" is mine for "exaltation." I think you meant "salivation". ;)~ <--(drool) This points up once again that which I personally believe to be th

RE: [ZION] Repentance from adultery (was: RE: Is God's Love Unconditional?)

-Ron- > But a more important question: Why do people on ZION focus so > intently on such things -- judging others in particular -- > anyway? Who authorizes us to hold people to "artificial > standards" that may or may not have anything whatsoever to do > with the gospel Christ taught and can not b

RE: [ZION] Whom God hateth

(Sorry about sending off that last one early) -Stephen- > Still, God has seen fit to represent his feeling as hatred, so > I don't think we have much business telling him he's wrong. -Ron- > After reading the scriptures you cited that God's hatred is of > the "deeds" a man commits. You may gloss

RE: [ZION] Whom God hateth

-Stephen- > Still, God has seen fit to represent his feeling as hatred, so > I don't think we have much business telling him he's wrong. -Ron- > After reading the scriptures you cited that God's hatred is of > the "deeds" a man commits. You may gloss the scriptures however you choose, of course,

[ZION] Repentance from adultery (was: RE: Is God's Love Unconditional?)

John W. Redelfs wrote: > > -Harold- > It's also true that there is a limited number of times one can > repent of adultery. -JWR- > I've heard this before, but I was challenged on it by the wife > of our mission president. I tried to prove the "three times and > you are out" rule, and I was una

[ZION] Whom God hateth

-JWR- > I went looking for some scriptural evidence that God ever hates > any of his children, and my cursory survey did not turn up > anything. Am I missing something? Surely God hates wickedness, > but does he hate the wicked? He hates sin, but does he hate > sinners? Perhaps you could point

[ZION] Conditional divine love

-Ron- > God's love is unconditional, according to Hinckley (many sources). What are some of those sources? For some reason, this topic generates a great deal of emotion in people on both sides of the issue. I fail to understand why, even in myself, such emotions arise. The quality of God's lo

RE: [ZION] Wish List

-JWR- > You may be getting this news late, but Marc Schindler passed > away in his sleep a little more than a week ago. I will miss > him terribly. He was a real pillar of the Zion list. Yes, I had heard. In fact, I resubbed to Zion a while ago to express my condolences. I figured if we were

RE: [ZION] Apostate Cat

-Tom- > The version of my poem that you have posted was a reworked version > by Stephen Beecroft. Please disregard my previous post. ;) Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

RE: [ZION] Wish List

-JWR- > I am compiling a wish list of people I miss, people that I wish > would actively participate on the list. Would any of you care to > help me make my wish list? Any such list would be doubtless incomplete, but in addition to those you've listed, I would have to add (of course) Marc Schind

RE: [ZION] Apostate Cat

-JWR- > Since it is one of my favorites. I dug this out of my archives: > > The Apostate Cat by Tom Matkin Actually, this is my recast version of Tom's poem, which was a bit freer and less versificated. I would hate for Tom to get blamed for my pedantry. :) I used it as a practice piece to s

RE: [ZION] About Marc

-Steven- > I think highly of you too. Are you sure you don't want to > reconsider and be a part of ZION again? Steven, I'm flattered that you even remember me. My good friend John has asked that I return, as well. Guess he thought there wasn't enough bickering on the list... As you might be a

[ZION] About Marc

Dear friends, I've resubscribed so that I might express to you my sense of loss at Marc Schindler's passing. I did not always treat Marc with the respect he deserved or give adequate weight to his opinions in some matters; shamefully, I used this very forum more than once to express my disple

RE: [ZION] Conditional divine love

-Elder Nelson- > "Divine love is perfect, infinite, enduring, and universal. The > full flower of divine love and our greatest blessings from that > love are conditional -- predicated upon our obedience to eternal > law." -George- > Stephen, this statement seems to negate your earlier idea that >

RE: [ZION] Conditional divine love

-Geoff- > I guess in order to clear up the semantics issue, we would need > to turn to the scriptures and words of the prophets and > determine how / when they use the term "unconditional love". Agreed. I'm quite sure you'll find the term absent from scripture. However, as you note, other (and re

RE: [ZION] Conditional divine love

-Geoff- > Great post! According to the prophets, then it appears that there > are actually two types of love: > 1. Divine love > 2. Unconditional love > They are not one and the same. However, it is true that our > Heavenly Father has and exercises both, and that we are > commanded to do likewise.

[ZION] Conditional divine love

Some time ago on this very list (probably its incarnation on zilker.net or some other pre-Topica server), a rather heated discussion -- imagine that! -- arose regarding, of all topics, God's love. Some of us claimed that the scriptures clearly teach that God's love is conditional, given to some

[ZION] You're back!

Missed me, huh? I knew you couldn't stay away for long. Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// //

RE: [ZION] Subject to natural law

-George- > When God created this universe -Jon- > He did not create this universe. He caused it to be organized. > Big difference! -Stephen- > The prophets and the scriptures are unanimous in declaring that > God did, indeed, create the heavens and the earth. "Cause to be > organized" is what "cr

RE: [ZION] Worship Christ

-Paul- > there are times in my life when I sneak a prayer to Jesus only > without thinking of the Father. I wouldn't teach this at the > church pulpit, or what not, but I am telling my friends (you) in > private that sometimes (not often) I just want to focus my > thoughts on Christ alone and tell

[ZION] Unsolicited, irrelevant opinion

IMO: Topica is no worse than many other free mailing-list services, and is better than many. Its downtime is actually relatively small, all things considered. Zion has a history on Topica that now stretches back three and a half years -- quite a long time in Internet-speak. Finally, if the Top

RE: [ZION] Subject to natural law

-George- > When God created this universe -Jon- > He did not create this universe. He caused it to be organized. > Big difference! The prophets and the scriptures are unanimous in declaring that God did, indeed, create the heavens and the earth. "Cause to be organized" is what "create" means, j

RE: [ZION] Worship Christ

-Paul- > What do you mean we don't worship Christ? I worship Jesus Christ > and so do the prophets of every dispensation. [...] I agree with > you on this John and submit the following to Marc which I think > shows that we must worship Christ as well as his Father and not > just in name only: [...]

RE: [ZION] Article in "Science" on genetic diversity

-Marc- > Within-population differences among individuals account for 93 > to 95% of genetic variation; differences among major groups > constitute only 3 to 5%. Nevertheless, without using prior > information about the origins of individuals, we identified > six main genetic clusters, five of which

RE: [ZION] can't be a sealer

-Paul- > No one got back on the subject of why a man can't be a sealer in > the temple if he has been divorced even by no fault of his own. I don't know why. I don't think it matters. Being a sealer is not a right, and in the strict sense is not even a privilege. It is a calling, just like being

RE: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21

-Jon- > God cannot rob justice to pay mercy. > How's that? Nope. Another false-by-definition, as well as (I think) a misquotation of scripture, which says that *mercy* cannot rob justice. I already brought up the example that God "cannot" save people in their sins, which is clearly a false-by-d

RE: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21

-Stephen- > I would be surprised if any man or woman can name something that > God cannot do, whether because of the limitations of "natural > law" or anything else, that doesn't fall into this class of > false-by-definition. -Chet- > He cannot lie. > He cannot disobey any of his own commandments.

RE: [ZION] Natural Law

-George- > Much of what is quoted by Sis Black is from a paper by LaMar > Garrard, "God, Natural Law, and the Doctrine and Covenants" Brother Garrard may well have been my wife's and my favorite teacher at BYU, even though we only ever had him for one class. When he came in the first day, I thou

RE: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21

> I would be surprised if any man or woman can name something that > God cannot do, whether because of the limitations of "natural >law" or anything else, that doesn't fall into this class of > false-by-definition. Sorry for the weenie-speak. Let me try again: I disbelieve that any man or woman

RE: [ZION] Subject to natural law

-John- > It is my understanding of Mormon doctrine that the laws by which > Heavenly Father became and exalted being are coeternal with him. > They are uncreate. And it was by obedience to these laws that > he because God. My understanding follows Jim's quotation of Joseph Smith's teachings and

RE: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21

-Marc- > The problem arises out of the word "natural," and is a limitation > of our language. By natural are we referring to the corruptible > telestial world, or are we referring simply to the fact that > there are higher laws which are "natural" but which operate in > *their* realms, and which we

RE: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21

-Stephen- > God's word defines "natural law". He is the master, not the > subject. That is why he is called the Lawgiver. -Jim- > Yes, I thought that was a significant point to emphasize. Interesting that we independently arrived at a similar conclusion, even using similar wording. Almost like w

RE: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21

-Marc- > We LDS do *not* believe God is omnipotent in the sense the Romans > used this term -- we believe he's subject to "natural law," Perhaps you believe so. I don't. God's word defines "natural law". He is the master, not the subject. That is why he is called the Lawgiver. Stephen /

RE: [ZION] Microsoft interview questions

-Marc- > No wonder Microsoft's spellchecker is so lousy ;-) (carabiners, > from a German word for "carbine hook". Ah. I had never seen/heard the term, and the guy (Russian) called/spelled them "carob-beaners". I wondered how that term had come about. What's a "carob bean", anyway? But I had not

[ZION] Microsoft interview questions

The funnest thing about interviewing at Microsoft are the famous (or infamous) "interview questions", of which you're likely to get at least one per interview. A classic example is: You have three closed barrels in front of you, one filled with black marbles, one filled with white marbles, and

RE: [ZION] No biological basis for race

-Marc- > A new study of Brazilians confirms what biologists have always > known (but maybe not anthropologists?): namely, that there is > no genetic basis for determining race: > ><

RE: [ZION] New guy

-George- > Could that be right, wright. or wrong? The "W" should be capitalized. Write "Wright" right. (But don't fixate on it to the point that you feel compelled to do so, or you'll find yourself performing the "Write 'Wright' right" rite.) Stephen ///

RE: [ZION] Re: New guy

-Val- > Can this list handle another Cobabe?? :-o No, we can't have two Cobabes. At least one of them has to be the primary Babe. I suppose they'll have to decide between themselves which is better-looking. Stephen //

RE: [ZION] The Two Towers (LOTR)

-Gary- > Also, if you send the answers to this list, make sure to warn > everyone that there is spoiler information involved. Good call. WARNING!! This message contains SPOILER INFORMATION!! Don't read it unless you already know everything it says! In which case, reading it is superfluous. But

RE: [ZION] Saving My Head

-Tom- > And you can always get some of that spray to make the bald spot > disappear. I remember seeing a commercial on TV a couple of years ago touting a cure-all spray to make bald men, well, carpeted. I watched in fascination as they applied a can of spray paint to the balding head of a middl

RE: [ZION] Canada: Bush is an idiot

-Marc- > A customer is not in any way responsible for what one of its > subcontractors say unless it is in the context of both of them > acting together. -Stephen- > So then, why do you bother including the disclaimer at the end > of each of your posts? -Marc- > I don't follow you. I don't have a

RE: [ZION] Temperature conversion chart

-Stacy- > How do I decrease my sensitivity to cold? Convert to Celsius. If you find yourself getting cold at a mere 59 degrees Farenheit, for example, people will laugh and mock and point their finger at you and call you various unpleasant names, like "weenie" or "pansy-girl" or "Gary Smith". B

RE: [ZION] Canada: Bush is an idiot

-Marc- > A customer is not in any way responsible for what one of its > subcontractors say unless it is in the context of both of them > acting together. So then, why do you bother including the disclaimer at the end of each of your posts? > And please read properly: it was the *Alberta* governm

RE: [ZION] Canada: Bush is an idiot

-Marc- > Odd that we get critized for merely reacting to the U.S. but now > a truly insignificant molehill is over-shadowed by a mountain, > and all the Marc, I'm baffled at your insistent glee on this topic. I have seen no "mountain" regarding this. I would have missed the initial report altoge

RE: [ZION] Canada watch: background behind Francie Ducros' resignation

-Marc- > And Jim never did admit he was wrong in his initial report. Why should he? He wasn't wrong. Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// /

RE: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

-Marc- > W/L 5/8 BELOW > Any plumbers out there who can read toiletese? ;-) I'm neither a plumber nor fluent in toiletese, but I suspect the first number is the tank capacity, while the second refers to the total amount of water per flush. Septic Stephen ///

RE: [ZION] Francie Ducros to quit

-Marc- > As I have suggested to USAmericans who are over-reacting, leave > the thin-skinned theatrics to us Canuckistanis. We do it far > better, having had more practice. ;-) "Over-reacting"? As far as I have seen, you've made that comment to two people on this list -- Jim, who expressed amazeme

RE: [ZION] Canada: Bush is a moron

-Marc- > OK. And? A civil servant fits none of these definitions. You don't think she qualifies as "one actively engaged in conducting the business of a government"? You don't think she is "a person engaged in party politics as a profession"? I think she very clearly qualifies under at least th

RE: [ZION] November 2002 Ministry Update

-Stacy- > What do you all think of this? Should Protestant Fundamentalists > be the ones to tell homosexuals how to live their lives? Why not? Free country and all that. We have all sorts of people telling each other how to live their lives. For instance, I've gotten over being inordinately ups

RE: [ZION] Canada: Bush is a moron

-Jim- > Canadian politician calls President Bush a moron. -Marc- > It wasn't a politician, it was an aide, Huh? That's like saying, "It wasn't an animal, it was a housefly." Of course she is a politician. Do you mean that she is not an elected official? That much is clear, but really doesn't im

RE: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

-Paul- > PS. Hi Jack! Tut, tut. We don't make such overt terroristic threats on this list. A Pauled, Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

RE: [ZION] No Desire To Discuss What Is Forbidden

-Marc- > My only fear in bringing Pamela Anderson into the discussion > was that I might be accused of artificiality > (tiddly-BOOM) As our Mexican neighbors might say, "Si! Si!" Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER

RE: [ZION] Something Else To Ponder

-Stacy- > I've long suspected that psychoactive drugs, while helping > someone to feel better, also lessens perception of personal > revelation. Am I right? I'm no authority on the matter, but I believe you are. As a general rule, it seems transparently obvious to me that altering one's brain c

RE: [ZION] Pamela Lee Anderson: poster girl of a different sort now

I'm quite sure that the mere mention of Pamela Lee Anderson violates several elements of the charter. Which means I'll probably get booted now. Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.z

RE: [ZION] Main Street Plaza: Meridian Editorial

-Jim referenced- > http://www.meridianmagazine.com/editorial/021118plaza.html I noticed a couple of days the Salt Lake Tribulation had a *front-page* story (at least it was a lead story in their web edition), telling that the Church would release a statement about the plaza and speculating what

RE: [ZION] Hogwarts and all

-Stacy- > Don't you know that'll just irritate Protestant Fundamentalists > worse than anything else? They'll think we're Satanists for sure! Strong evidence, indeed, in arguing for the virtue of Harry Potter books... Stephen ///

[ZION] Caffeine chemistry

Quick recap and primer for all interested parties (or should I say, both interested parties): Xanthine (ZAN-theen) is purine with oxygens bonded in the 2 and 6 positions, that is, 2,6-dihydroxypurine. Ronn also referred to this as 2,6-dioxopurine and as purine-2,6-dione, apparently following al

RE: [ZION] Hogwarts and all

-Gary- > My wife and I saw it today. What a great film. I haven't read > the books, but now will have to do it. Definitely a great > series. This film was better than the first, and the first > was really good. I like how so many characters were developed > in such a short time, and the power behin

RE: [ZION] "Social" Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

-Marc- > Oh, NOW you've opened a can of worms. Ronn -- a short lecture on > chemical nomenclature if you don't mind. What *do* those numbers > before a chemical compound's name mean? I'm not Ronn, nor to I play him on TV, but I did take organic chemistry a couple of decades ago at BYU. Organic mo

RE: [ZION] "Social" Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

-Ronn- >> (FWIW, I've been unable to find out why there is apparently no >> such compound as 1,7-trimethylxanthine. > > Oops. I meant 1,7-dimethylxanthine . . . Also called "paraxanthine"; described as an adenosine receptor ligand and a major metabolite of caffeine at http://www.sigma-aldrich.c

RE: [ZION] "Social" Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

-Ronn- > (FWIW, I've been unable to find out why there is apparently no > such compound as 1,7-trimethylxanthine. Perhaps because the "1,7" and the "tri" prefixes are mutually exclusive? Just a guess. :) Stephen // ///

RE: [ZION] Evolution's missing link

-Gary- > Here is the evolution of Michael Jackson's face > http://anomalies-unlimited.com/Jackson.html This is one of the saddest things I've ever seen. I'm not even a fan, and I feel terrible for him. The gospel could heal this man, but I doubt anything else could. How nightmarish his life

RE: [ZION] Answer to life

-Gary- > what if the person isn't using Euclidean mathematics? Then > 9 times 6 may NOT equal 42. [...] -Jon- > Then 9 times 6 equals 46. And that IS the correct answer. -Marc- > In the decimal system, of course, you decidigicist, you... Just occurred to me: 9 x 6 = 42 in base 13, and 9 x 6 =

RE: [ZION] Magnetic Personality

-Tom- > It seems that the incident actually did happen. Here's a typical > report that came up when I did a "Fetch" search on "MRI killing" Guess you're right. Here's another: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/mri010731.html How sad. I know it's old news by now, but still, how tragic.

RE: [ZION] Magnetic Personality

ember any more > than what I > wrote. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Stephen Beecroft: > > > > >-Marc- > > >> ... a tech had inadvertently left an oxygen cylinder in the > > >> room, and when the MRI was turned on, it got sucked

RE: [ZION] Answer to life

-Marc- > Then the sum of the squaws with the hides is equal to the > squaw of the hippopotamus, of course. I told this joke probably eight years ago on Zion. One member, who shall remain unnamed (you're welcome, Dave), didn't like me messing up the spiritual tenor of the list with silly jokes. S

RE: [ZION] a whirlwind trip south

-Marc- > Seriously -- did you guys hear about a case back east somewhere, > New York state, iirc, where a tech had inadvertently left an > oxygen cylinder in the room, and when the MRI was turned on, it > got sucked right into the core, killing the poor patient (a > young boy) instantly. Unless MR

RE: [ZION] Answer to life

-Gary- > what if the person isn't using Euclidean mathematics? Then > 9 times 6 may NOT equal 42. And if he is using Euclidean mathematics? Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsb

RE: [ZION] One party rule?

-Irwin- > Thanks for the clarification. We are not even married yet and > I need to be corrected. (grin) -John- > After you are married, you will get all the correction you need. That's what I thought at first, but Michelle informs me that this is a slanderous falsehood. Stephen //

RE: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

-Stephen- > -Stephen- >> I wish I could, Stephen. But there isn't any coastal route from >> the Seattle area to Prince Rupert. Amazing. I quoted myself. No, wait, that was actually John. I just got confused and thought he was me because he's going to be in Utah with me. Except that I don't live

RE: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

-Stephen- > I wish I could, Stephen. But there isn't any coastal route from > the Seattle area to Prince Rupert. Nonsense! There's always a route. Oh, do you mean a route you can drive your car through? Never mind. > You mean you can't get in any of the building because they laid > you off? Sh

RE: [ZION] Answer to life

-Jon- >>> It's kind of like saying that the answer to life, the universe >>> and everything is 42. >> >> Ahh, that's true. But what is the question > > The question is: "What is 9 times 6?" And to think some scoff at American ignorance! Let that be a lesson to you, Marc, on the power

RE: [ZION] One Party Rule?

-Marc- > [Previously] One party domination is in direct defiance of the > Brethren. > [Now] Also, you've missed a quite legitimate parsing of my > sentence. When one says x is in defiance of y, that implies > that "belief in x" is in defiance of y. Okay, that's reasonable. I don't agree with it, b

RE: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

If you decide to take the coastal route, stop by and visit. I'll even show you around Microsoft's campus, though I can't get in any buildings... Stephen John W. Redelfs wrote: > It looks like I'm going to make a whirlwind visit to SLC-Provo this > coming > weekend. My son-in-law, Jeff, has t

[ZION] Madsen claims

I enjoy listening to Truman Madsen. Though he tends to sappy and over-the-top rhetoric, he is knowledgeable and pretty enjoyable to listen to. I'm listening to some lectures he gave on Joseph Smith, wherein he references some things I'm not familiar with and have been unable to turn up on Googl

RE: [ZION] One Party Rule?

-Marc- > One party domination is in direct defiance of the Brethren. "Defiance"? Institutions are not capable of defiance, only individuals. Which individuals do you believe are in defiance of the Brethren? The leaders of the Republican party in Utah? Any Utah Republicans? Any LDS Republicans?

[ZION] "Social" Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

-Jim- > In my experience it is common to find "social" mormons with a > misplaced sense of loyalty to such matters. They identify more > strongly with sociopolitical ideology than with their faith in > Christ. Funny you should write this, Jim. Just today, I was bathing in raw sewage, er, that is

RE: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

-Steven- > Perhaps you're right, but I still fail to see how the United > States maintained the moral high ground by bombing civilians. Like Jim, I don't know what constitutes "moral high ground" in a war. Note that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both industrial cities, and thus legitimate targets,

RE: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

-Jim- > Senator Peolosi from San Francisco is being groomed to take > over the top of the Dem heap in the Congress [...] It will be > truly gratifying if such openly radical nuts dominate in the > new Democrat organization. -John- >> [Steven] Choosing Senator Pelosi will ring a death knell for >>

RE: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

-Steven quotes _The New American Magazine_- > This current display, therefore, repeats the notion that the > dropping of the bombs by the U.S. brought Japan to the peace > table and saved countless lives on both sides. But this > historical view, like the original commentary intended for the > exhi

RE: [ZION] Home automation

-Jon- > Yep - I have automated quite a bit at our bookstore, and some > at my home (because I can never get any time to finish it. > What area do you have in mind? Probably my basement family room, to start with. I've been dreaming about home automation for many years, and toying with the idea of

[ZION] Home automation

Anyone here interested in home automation? Anyone do any? Stephen / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// //

RE: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

-Paul- > The President of the United States and US intelligence has > determined that he is guilty. Case closed. -John- > Just hope they don't find you guilty of anything without evidence. I agree with John. Poor Saddam. My heart bleeds for him. Sympathetic Stephen /

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