to hide.
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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
darkness of this world, against
of information. And I think it is entirely possible that you don't either.
What if George W. Bush did it? heh, heh
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*
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
his education of these things by direct revelation. Can
the same be said for John Pratt?
John W. Redelfs[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
Trying is the first step toward failure. --Homer Simpson
work, his strange work; and bring to pass his
act, his strange act. (Isaiah 28:21)
John W. Redelfs[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
principalities
. They are probably just being normal.
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If only they knew the deep and all abiding weirdness that
lurks under the surface of much of Mormon culture. --Eric
Samuelson, AML
At 04:08 PM 9/26/02 -0600 Steven Montgomery favored us with:
I'm a fan of the truth, not necessarily John Pratt. Yet, In the spirit of Moses 6: 63
I have found much of John Pratt's research to be valid and based on the truth. I
admit that some of John Pratt's research is in the area of
At 05:23 PM 9/28/02 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] favored us with:
Being in country under those circumstances causes a very
interesting feeling to one, such as I, who is accustomed to
the freedoms of the US of A.
It is one of the reasons I refuse to leave the USA. --JWR
are not being reported at all.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
darkness
At 11:14 PM 10/1/02 + Stephen Beecroft favored us with:
If I understand Marc correctly, they're not changing any words at all.
They're just adding study information, references, and such. So I don't
think the two projects are comparable.
I must have misunderstood. --JWR
At 06:05 PM 10/1/02 -0600 Marc A. Schindler favored us with:
Maybe better food is why our special forces killed more Taliban than your
special forces did in Afghanistan over the past six months even though your group
is 4 times the size of ours (1300 vs 300)* ;-)
Yeah, its real nice to know
? I'm just curious why 1) we would make
ourselves dependent on the rest of the world for almost everything except computer
software, and then 2) pick a fight?
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED
library, and a good bookstore. I guess one can't ever
expect to have it all.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
principalities, against
come out against us
three times, and we have warned them each time.
Ah... I don't want to talk about this any more. It is too depressing.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
For we wrestle
to solving
America's foreign policy problems.
Your friend and brother,
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republic such as we have, all of us are suppose to speak up for the policies that we
think are right and good. A person cannot be a traitor merely by voicing an unpopular
opinion.
I am a saint first, and then an American. I hope we all feel that way.
Your friend and brother,
John W
At 06:43 PM 10/2/02 -0500 Paul Osborne favored us with:
I'll slightly violate a personal (temporary) rule of mine and ask all on
this list who think that Canada needs the US to protect it:
Canada would beg for US assistance if their country was under attack by
aliens from outer space. It could
of seal?
skin with the fur on the inside.
Till, who really would like to know
This is correct. Bunny boots, with the valve stem, are the warmest boots there are.
Sometimes they are also called Mickey Mouse boots because they look so much like the
shoes that Mickey Mouse wears.
John W. Redelfs
At 07:36 AM 10/3/02 -0400 Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with:
A little MYOB would go a long way to solving America's foreign policy problems.
Make your own beer
Mind Your Own Business --JWR
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Grampa Bill comments:
I do. But in all candor, I must admit that I would be very uncomfortable if I
heard a Muslim say, I am a Moslem first, and then an American.
Islam is a false religion. Ours is true. It makes all the difference.
At 01:00 PM 10/4/02 -0400 Jon Spencer favored us with:
That thar's the basis for strife. Or as UBL would say Christianity is a false
religion. Ours is true. It makes all the difference. --UBL
Who is UBL?
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At 08:53 PM 10/4/02 -0700 Rick Mathis favored us with:
After work this afternoon another guy from the office and I went out and spent a
couple of hours trolling for salmon off the mouth of the Chetco River.
Where is the Chetco River? --JWR
will decide when and where civil disobedience is permitted, not us. A
good Latter-day Saint never takes the law into his own hands.
Your friend and brother,
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there could be a free election in a totalitarian
state? By definition, an election would not be free. And if the election
is not free, why should we call it democracy? scratching head
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the Vietnam
War. And I have lived to be ashamed of myself and my country. I don't
want to make the same mistake twice.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is an eternal principle that has existed with God
America's finest young men and women lay down their lives for nothing?
John W. Redelfs[EMAIL PROTECTED]
***
Even the Church shall be cleansed, and those who are
of the world, who are numbered among the members
After careful consideration, Jon Spencer wrote:
You have often railed against the Gadiantons in our midst. Well, can't
you see that
Saddam is one of them? The Nephites constantly pursued the Gadiantons -
they actively searched for them and tried to destroy them. Were they
wrong to do this?
Hussein is
hypocritical. Bush has some secret reason for wanting to attack Iraq. And
I refuse to be manipulated by Bush and the media. Our military should be
used here at home for defending our own shores and borders, period.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED
After careful consideration, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
Funny, but that's what I believe, too. (Well, that he's of our race,
anyway, and
I think he's *trying* to be decent, he's just in over his head and is a
figurehead for more sinister forces [goshdarnit, I'm beginning to sound
more and
more
. It seems to me that the majority held by the righteous has dwindled
to the point where it either exists by a thread, or it has become a
minority. What do you think?
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It may be, for instance
, and Isaac, and Abraham, and all mine ancient prophets
and apostles.
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 98:23 - 32)
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It may be, for instance, that nothing except the power of
faith and the authority
places.
(New Testament | Ephesians 6:11 - 12)
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There is no conspiracy theory in the Book of Mormon
--it is a conspiracy fact. (Ezra Taft Benson, April 1972
Iraq and Bush needs me, I will fight. My 19 year old
son will fight. We believe in keeping the laws of the land. But insofar
as I have power to do it, I will be a voice against war and for peace. The
benefits of war almost never outweigh the hideous costs.
John W. Redelfs
what we will be doing in
Iraq if we fight them. We will be killing for money, in this case, Middle
Eastern oil.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It may be, for instance, that nothing except the power of
faith and the authority
.
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It may be, for instance, that nothing except the power of
faith and the authority of the priesthood can save
individuals and congregations from the atomic holocausts
that surely shall be. --Bruce R
that you reference.
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It may be, for instance, that nothing except the power of
faith and the authority of the priesthood can save
individuals and congregations from the atomic holocausts
that surely
is
the one we're after.
I agree. But since we can't get to him except by repenting, there is no
one to declare war on except his mortal agents.
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The gospel, the kingdom of God, can prosper only
the desire to risk a nuclear holocaust with us.
However, if a renegade terrorist gets a weapon, just who do we punish?
Afghanistan and Iraq?
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It may be, for instance, that nothing except the power of
faith
After careful consideration, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
As Latter-day Saints, we need to continue to support individual members
of the
armed forces (of all the countries where we live) and their families.
However, we
should also make our voices heard loudly and clearly: war is madness, and we
After careful consideration, Paul Osborne wrote:
FWIW-- I too would have lied under oath if I had been hounded over my
personal sex life. It's nobody's business. Good for Clinton for lying and
good for Abraham too.
---
Comparing Clinton with Abraham is quite a stretch. --JWR
of peace. I'm talking about the difference between a war and
a battle. Surely if we are at war, then a battle may morally be
pre-emptive. But we have not been at war with Iraq since the Persian Gulf
War.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED
the bums out. It is too late for
that.
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It may be, for instance, that nothing except the power of
faith and the authority of the priesthood can save
individuals and congregations from the atomic
will know if we
remain true and faithful. And an understanding of this secret combination
might help us remember the urgency of our preparations. Otherwise, we
might be inclined to forget about the imminence of his coming, and get too
wrapped up in worldly concerns.
John W. Redelfs
are right, it is new doctrine to
me. I'd need to see some sources.
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It may be, for instance, that nothing except the power of
faith and the authority of the priesthood can save
individuals
. We just need to understand the situation so that we can defend
ourselves and our families more effectively.
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It may be, for instance, that nothing except the power of
faith and the authority
a
week ago. My family surely did enjoy him while he was here. If the rest
of your grandchildren are like him, you are one lucky grandmother.
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When attacked by error, truth is better served by silence
of Deceit. And he has
greater power over men during these last few hours of the telestial earth
than at any previous time in the history of the world except immediately
preceding the Great Flood.
Trivia time: Whatever became of Gorbachev? And what is he doing now?
John W. Redelfs
into
the Church, to strengthen the feeble knees, etc.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is an eternal principle that has existed with God from all
Eternity that that man who rises up to condemn others
OK people, no more sex talk. It is a charter violation. I'll stop if you
will. --JWR
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After careful consideration, Stephen Beecroft wrote:
Wow. NATO, led by the US, no doubt, decided out of a clear blue sky to
station some missiles in Turkey. No history to that action, of course.
Just a sudden, impulsive decision by those imperialistic westerners
against the poor, oppressed Soviet
to dilute it down enough.
Well, I happen to like sarcasm as long as it doesn't get too personal and
hurt too much. My maternal grandfather was heavily into sarcasm and I
appreciate the humor as long as it is directed elsewhere. grin Jim
Cobabe is really good at it too.
John W. Redelfs
was
a criminal. It means the people have lost all honor. In our grandfather's
day I don't think it could have happened. It shows that we are no longer a
virtuous people, if we ever were.
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When attacked
. It is a stone box inscribed with the
words, James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus.
What do you think? Pretty awesome, huh?
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If you were a poor Indian with no weapons, and a bunch
of conquistadors came
might that affect the good or evil done by the
umbrella organization?
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It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to
laugh at that man. --Jack Handy
, ie. the Melchizedek
priesthood. I see no indication in Alma that he is referring to the
office. He is referring to one holding the high priesthood.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Better not take a dog on the space shuttle
if his calling requires it.
At least that is my understanding.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't think I'm alone when I say I'd like to see more
and more planets fall under the ruthless domination of
our solar system
the three
different ways in which a person may be a high priest. I believe that
the references in Alma are to item #2, a priest holding the high
priesthood. And that would include Elders in our own day.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED
. The pay is just as good, and the work is a lot more fun.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to
laugh at that man. --Jack Handy
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All my
in order to stir up a
discussion. I coached him while he was here. grin
It works pretty good, doesn't it Paul?
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Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look
at the word itself: Mankind
accept the call when given.
I think it depends on where you are. There is little prestige in being a
bishop or stake president here in this part of Alaska. But in the
SLC-Provo area those callings are definitely prestige callings. You can
tell by listening to the wives.
John W. Redelfs
. Babylon,
I would get so depressed I would never get over it.
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If you were a poor Indian with no weapons, and a bunch
of conquistadors came up to you and asked where the
gold was, I don't think it would
not nearly as
many per thousand.
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I can image a world without war, a world without fear, a
world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that
world, because they'd never expect it.' --Jack
At 09:00 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Gary Smith wrote:
It fits. So there is a high possibility of this being authentic and in
the right timeframe. But imagine having the bones of James!
No bones, just the box. The bones are long gone. --JWR
were once very much different, who knows
what they might find?
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look
at the word itself: Mankind. Basically, it's made up of
two separate words - mank
After careful consideration, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
I know what you mean, but technically Khrushchev had nothing to do with the
embargo of Cuba, which was put into place by the U.S. I think you mean the
emplacement of missiles there. But what very few USAmericans realize, and what
you
. His family were wealthy
industrialists. Shortly after they married, Bonnie went to India with her
husband, and we never heard from her again.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The gospel, the kingdom of God, can prosper only
is bouncing so much of your mail, or plan on changing your email address.
Again, I'm sorry about these problems, but there is not much that I can do
about it. I thought I ought to let you know what is going on.
Your friend and brother,
John W. Redelfs, [EMAIL PROTECTED
At 11:03 AM, Monday, 10/21/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the area of oxymorons, is it possible to have a card carrying liberal
democrat and a temple going straight laced Latter Day Saint?
Not in my opinion. A conservative Democrat, yes. A liberal Democrat is a
socialist. And socialism is
Trade relations agreement.
I just don't understand this telestial world. I'm completely
confused. Why is it, that almost every 10 to 20 years we get into a war
with someone who has been built up and armed by us?
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED
At 12:03 PM, Monday, 10/21/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
Incidentally, just to twit those who belittle Jimmy Carter's long
crusade against war, it was Carter who went to Pyongyang about 6 or 7
years ago and defused the last dangerous situationt here. Maybe Bush
should use Carter this time, too ;-)
nation deports itself on the international stage, so maybe I should move in
Marc's direction. Then again I am a foaming-at-the-mouth anti-communist,
so perhaps I should move towards Stephen. I'm starting to get dizzy.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED
At 12:01 AM, Tuesday, 10/22/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
Actually I had posted this because some people had voiced doubts about whether
you could be a good member and a Democrat. This idea is often attributed to a
well-known GA.
A person can be a Democrat and a good Mormon, or he can be a
At 01:44 PM, Tuesday, 10/22/02, Paul Osborne wrote:
O come on Steven, get real. We don't even know which of the Presidential
candidates the GA's voted for let alone which parties they think the
world leaders are in.
So how come we know where President Benson stood on these issues? --JWR
At 09:09 PM, Tuesday, 10/22/02, Stephen Beecroft wrote:
But in my judgment, you can't be a liberal Democrat, supporting the
liberal Democrat party line, and still be a faithful, believing Latter-day
Saint. Much as some, American and otherwise, might find that hard to
understand, I think it's
has been
lost in a complete rout.
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Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look
at the word itself: Mankind. Basically, it's made up of
two separate words - mank and ind. What do
is in the office, he should be kept there indefinitely
to keep the scoundrels out of that seat. Term limits can
backfire. Actually they usually do.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't think I'm alone when I say I'd like
At 09:18 PM, Saturday, 10/26/02, Gary Smith wrote:
there is more freedom in an American jail than on the streets of Moscow
I've been on the web for over an hour trying to confirm this Cleaver quote,
and I cannot find it. Do you have a reference? --JWR
free and increase the
threat of terrorism in the USA.
War with Iraq is not in the best interests of the USA.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't think I'm alone when I say I'd like to see more
and more planets fall under
. McConkie spoke of other churches as apostate Christendom. In
fact, that was his favorite label for them. It was a phrase he used
often. Was he in error to do so. I don't think he was.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It takes a big
to know the answers to these questions.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I can image a world without war, a world without fear, a
world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that
world, because they'd never expect it.' --Jack
the gospel into it. Okay?
Had you understood my post in the spirit with which it was written you
would not be upset with me. Nevertheless, I apologize. Please forgive
me. I was my responsibility to communicate my meaning more
effectively. Apparently I failed in this instance.
John W. Redelfs
. And if he defiantly continues to expound the false teaching, he will
be excommunicated.
We always need to keep in mind the difference between false doctrine and
not doctrine.
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It takes a big man to cry
it said that if we could
only pierce that veil we would hold each other in much higher regard.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to
laugh at that man. --Jack Handy
, or as long as it is
convenient, or until something comes along that I like better. But then I
don't think the word love should be used so cheaply.
In other word I'm still in love with the movie, Princess Bride. Farm Boy
and Buttercup had it right.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL
At 08:41 AM, Thursday, 10/31/02, Geoff FOWLER wrote:
I know that we are supposed to defend ourselves. However, I have a
difficult time reconciling what we (meaning the United States) are
currently doing in the world and the words given to us by the Savior
through Joseph Smith in section 98 of
, and the murderer
used a knife, not a gun.
What we need is murderer control, not gun control.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't think I'm alone when I say I'd like to see more
and more planets fall under the ruthless domination of
our
At 04:48 AM, Friday, 11/1/02, Mark Gregson wrote:
Apparently, what the Nigerians really want is to get out of
Nigeria. That's why they want to steal your money. Or to dupe you into
arranging a meeting with them somewhere outside of Nigeria. I read an
article a while back about Internet
would rather that
I and all my family die rather than for us to become murderers or those who
consent to murder. And if the Lord does not think we are justified in
invading Iraq, murderers is exactly what we will be.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED
At 05:42 PM, Thursday, 10/31/02, Paul Osborne wrote:
Not me, Marc. The damage done by a bat could leave me in terrible shape
with broken bones and a bashed in skull. The gun will probably kill me
and send me on my way to bliss. So, I'll take the gun bullet, please,
with a coke and an order of
in the Americas until after the first contact with Europe?
What do you think?
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no
music, no choreography and the dancers hit each other.
-- Jack Handy
not the history of science show that it began as a
specialized branch of philosophy? And is not philosophy often just secular
religion? If so, then there is definitely an overlap that needs to be
resolved... or not.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED
defending a flock of turkeys when he cut all
those guys arms off?
Always wondering, so many questions, so few answers,
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To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no
music, no choreography and the dancers hit each other.
-- Jack Handy
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All my opinions are tentative
free trade, they are being hypocrites. They have no interest in genuinely
free trade. It would break their monopolies.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no
music, no choreography
At 08:19 PM, Friday, 11/1/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
And hence the humble SWAG is born...
What is a SWAG? I don't recognize the acronymn. --JWR
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essay on how I look at things.
Incidentally, a person doesn't have to be a scholar to appreciate a real
bibliography. I'm not a scholar, and I appreciate them. In fact, I think
that most bibliographies are more interesting than the works built upon them.
John W
it is an anthropology text. I think it is a history book,
a record of God's dealings of man since the first man down to the time of
Moses.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no
music
At 08:37 PM, Friday, 11/1/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
Then perhaps you should follow the counsel of the brethren and learn how:
I quote
again, Leave geology, biology, archaeology, and anthropology, no one of
which
has to do with the salvation of the souls of mankind, to scientific research.
Testament is devoted
to teachings that apply to all mankind. I assume that includes the Chinese
too.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If you were a poor Indian with no weapons, and a bunch
of conquistadors came up to you and asked
think he really comes close to that line.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to
laugh at that man. --Jack Handy
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All my opinions
prophets, and the testimony of the Holy Ghost.
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To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no
music, no choreography and the dancers hit each other.
-- Jack Handy
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