Re: [ZION] War on Iraq

2002-09-25 Thread John W. Redelfs
to hide. John W. Redelfs[EMAIL PROTECTED] * For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against

Re: [ZION] War on Iraq

2002-09-25 Thread John W. Redelfs
of information. And I think it is entirely possible that you don't either. What if George W. Bush did it? heh, heh John W. Redelfs[EMAIL PROTECTED] * For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against

Re: [ZION] John Pratt performance art

2002-09-26 Thread John W. Redelfs
his education of these things by direct revelation. Can the same be said for John Pratt? John W. Redelfs[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Trying is the first step toward failure. --Homer Simpson

[ZION] A Strange People

2002-09-27 Thread John W. Redelfs
work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act. (Isaiah 28:21) John W. Redelfs[EMAIL PROTECTED] * For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities

RE: [ZION] John Pratt performance art

2002-09-27 Thread John W. Redelfs
. They are probably just being normal. John W. Redelfs[EMAIL PROTECTED] * If only they knew the deep and all abiding weirdness that lurks under the surface of much of Mormon culture. --Eric Samuelson, AML

Re: [ZION] John Pratt performance art

2002-09-27 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 04:08 PM 9/26/02 -0600 Steven Montgomery favored us with: I'm a fan of the truth, not necessarily John Pratt. Yet, In the spirit of Moses 6: 63 I have found much of John Pratt's research to be valid and based on the truth. I admit that some of John Pratt's research is in the area of

Re: [ZION] John Pratt performance art

2002-09-27 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 05:49 PM 9/27/02 -0600 Steven Montgomery favored us with: No more bizarre than some ward road-shows I've seen grin. I think you need to cut this guy some slack--he's a teacher and got a program together with like-minded individuals--what's wrong with that? Maybe he has a flair for the

Re: [ZION] War on Iraq

2002-09-27 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 04:50 PM 9/27/02 -0600 Marc A. Schindler favored us with: Can you support your statement that the Saudi's are granting visas without US approval? Anyone can print anything they want to, but that doesn't mean that we have to allow them entry. How about, I heard it on MSNBC news?

RE: [ZION] War on Iraq

2002-09-28 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 05:23 PM 9/28/02 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] favored us with: Being in country under those circumstances causes a very interesting feeling to one, such as I, who is accustomed to the freedoms of the US of A. It is one of the reasons I refuse to leave the USA. --JWR

RE: [ZION] War on Iraq

2002-09-29 Thread John W. Redelfs
understand detaining a person if there has been a criminal problem or something, but the general concept of requiring permission for a visitor to leave strikes me as being a bit unusual. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [ZION] Ivory Coast - who goes?

2002-10-01 Thread John W. Redelfs
are not being reported at all. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] * For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness

RE: [ZION] LDS Study Bible

2002-10-01 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 11:14 PM 10/1/02 + Stephen Beecroft favored us with: If I understand Marc correctly, they're not changing any words at all. They're just adding study information, references, and such. So I don't think the two projects are comparable. I must have misunderstood. --JWR

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-01 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 06:05 PM 10/1/02 -0600 Marc A. Schindler favored us with: Maybe better food is why our special forces killed more Taliban than your special forces did in Afghanistan over the past six months even though your group is 4 times the size of ours (1300 vs 300)* ;-) Yeah, its real nice to know

[ZION] Tariffs and War

2002-10-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
? I'm just curious why 1) we would make ourselves dependent on the rest of the world for almost everything except computer software, and then 2) pick a fight? John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
library, and a good bookstore. I guess one can't ever expect to have it all. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] * For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against

Re: [ZION] Honorable Nations

2002-10-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
come out against us three times, and we have warned them each time. Ah... I don't want to talk about this any more. It is too depressing. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] * For we wrestle

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
to solving America's foreign policy problems. Your friend and brother, John W. Redelfs, [EMAIL PROTECTED] / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html

[ZION] A Saint First, Then an American

2002-10-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
. In a democratic republic such as we have, all of us are suppose to speak up for the policies that we think are right and good. A person cannot be a traitor merely by voicing an unpopular opinion. I am a saint first, and then an American. I hope we all feel that way. Your friend and brother, John W

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 06:43 PM 10/2/02 -0500 Paul Osborne favored us with: I'll slightly violate a personal (temporary) rule of mine and ask all on this list who think that Canada needs the US to protect it: Canada would beg for US assistance if their country was under attack by aliens from outer space. It could

Re: [ZION] Tariffs and War

2002-10-03 Thread John W. Redelfs
of seal? skin with the fur on the inside. Till, who really would like to know This is correct. Bunny boots, with the valve stem, are the warmest boots there are. Sometimes they are also called Mickey Mouse boots because they look so much like the shoes that Mickey Mouse wears. John W. Redelfs

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 07:36 AM 10/3/02 -0400 Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with: A little MYOB would go a long way to solving America's foreign policy problems. Make your own beer Mind Your Own Business --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER:

Re: [ZION] A Saint First, Then an American

2002-10-04 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 10:05 PM 10/3/02 -0400 Grampa Bill favored us with: Grampa Bill comments: I do. But in all candor, I must admit that I would be very uncomfortable if I heard a Muslim say, I am a Moslem first, and then an American. Islam is a false religion. Ours is true. It makes all the difference.

Re: [ZION] A Saint First, Then an American

2002-10-04 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 01:00 PM 10/4/02 -0400 Jon Spencer favored us with: That thar's the basis for strife. Or as UBL would say Christianity is a false religion. Ours is true. It makes all the difference. --UBL Who is UBL? / /// ZION

RE: [ZION] Wallpaper

2002-10-05 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 08:53 PM 10/4/02 -0700 Rick Mathis favored us with: After work this afternoon another guy from the office and I went out and spent a couple of hours trolling for salmon off the mouth of the Chetco River. Where is the Chetco River? --JWR

Re: [ZION] Civil Disobedience

2002-10-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
will decide when and where civil disobedience is permitted, not us. A good Latter-day Saint never takes the law into his own hands. Your friend and brother, John W. Redelfs, [EMAIL PROTECTED] / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please

[ZION] Free Elections

2002-10-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
there could be a free election in a totalitarian state? By definition, an election would not be free. And if the election is not free, why should we call it democracy? scratching head John W. Redelfs[EMAIL PROTECTED

[ZION] No War?

2002-10-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
the Vietnam War. And I have lived to be ashamed of myself and my country. I don't want to make the same mistake twice. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is an eternal principle that has existed with God

[ZION] Atomic Holocausts Predicted

2002-10-13 Thread John W. Redelfs
America's finest young men and women lay down their lives for nothing? John W. Redelfs[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Even the Church shall be cleansed, and those who are of the world, who are numbered among the members

Re: [ZION] Elder Nelson misquoted

2002-10-13 Thread John W. Redelfs
After careful consideration, Jon Spencer wrote: You have often railed against the Gadiantons in our midst. Well, can't you see that Saddam is one of them? The Nephites constantly pursued the Gadiantons - they actively searched for them and tried to destroy them. Were they wrong to do this?

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

2002-10-13 Thread John W. Redelfs
Hussein is hypocritical. Bush has some secret reason for wanting to attack Iraq. And I refuse to be manipulated by Bush and the media. Our military should be used here at home for defending our own shores and borders, period. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [ZION] Elder Nelson misquoted

2002-10-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
After careful consideration, Marc A. Schindler wrote: Funny, but that's what I believe, too. (Well, that he's of our race, anyway, and I think he's *trying* to be decent, he's just in over his head and is a figurehead for more sinister forces [goshdarnit, I'm beginning to sound more and more

Re: [ZION] Assyria

2002-10-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
After careful consideration, Gary Smith wrote: We may help establish freedom in Iraq. I think many Arabs are interested in the gospel, however their current dictatorships and religious police will not allow them to even say the word, Mormon. God does work through Zion, however I know that he

Re: [ZION] Assyria

2002-10-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
. It seems to me that the majority held by the righteous has dwindled to the point where it either exists by a thread, or it has become a minority. What do you think? John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === It may be, for instance

Re: [ZION] Attack Iraq?

2002-10-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
, and Isaac, and Abraham, and all mine ancient prophets and apostles. (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 98:23 - 32) John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === It may be, for instance, that nothing except the power of faith and the authority

[ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
places. (New Testament | Ephesians 6:11 - 12) John W. Redelfs[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** There is no conspiracy theory in the Book of Mormon --it is a conspiracy fact. (Ezra Taft Benson, April 1972

Re: [ZION] Attack Iraq?

2002-10-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
Iraq and Bush needs me, I will fight. My 19 year old son will fight. We believe in keeping the laws of the land. But insofar as I have power to do it, I will be a voice against war and for peace. The benefits of war almost never outweigh the hideous costs. John W. Redelfs

Re: [ZION] Elder Nelson misquoted

2002-10-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
what we will be doing in Iraq if we fight them. We will be killing for money, in this case, Middle Eastern oil. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === It may be, for instance, that nothing except the power of faith and the authority

Re: [ZION] Elder Nelson misquoted

2002-10-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === It may be, for instance, that nothing except the power of faith and the authority of the priesthood can save individuals and congregations from the atomic holocausts that surely shall be. --Bruce R

[ZION] A Prophet Preaching Doctrine

2002-10-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
that you reference. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === It may be, for instance, that nothing except the power of faith and the authority of the priesthood can save individuals and congregations from the atomic holocausts that surely

RE: [ZION] Hindsight

2002-10-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
is the one we're after. I agree. But since we can't get to him except by repenting, there is no one to declare war on except his mortal agents. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === The gospel, the kingdom of God, can prosper only

Re: [ZION] Righting all the Wrongs

2002-10-15 Thread John W. Redelfs
the desire to risk a nuclear holocaust with us. However, if a renegade terrorist gets a weapon, just who do we punish? Afghanistan and Iraq? John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === It may be, for instance, that nothing except the power of faith

Re: [ZION] War with Saddam

2002-10-15 Thread John W. Redelfs
After careful consideration, Marc A. Schindler wrote: As Latter-day Saints, we need to continue to support individual members of the armed forces (of all the countries where we live) and their families. However, we should also make our voices heard loudly and clearly: war is madness, and we

Re: [ZION] Elder Nelson misquoted

2002-10-15 Thread John W. Redelfs
After careful consideration, Paul Osborne wrote: FWIW-- I too would have lied under oath if I had been hounded over my personal sex life. It's nobody's business. Good for Clinton for lying and good for Abraham too. --- Comparing Clinton with Abraham is quite a stretch. --JWR

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

2002-10-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
of peace. I'm talking about the difference between a war and a battle. Surely if we are at war, then a battle may morally be pre-emptive. But we have not been at war with Iraq since the Persian Gulf War. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
the bums out. It is too late for that. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === It may be, for instance, that nothing except the power of faith and the authority of the priesthood can save individuals and congregations from the atomic

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
will know if we remain true and faithful. And an understanding of this secret combination might help us remember the urgency of our preparations. Otherwise, we might be inclined to forget about the imminence of his coming, and get too wrapped up in worldly concerns. John W. Redelfs

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
are right, it is new doctrine to me. I'd need to see some sources. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === It may be, for instance, that nothing except the power of faith and the authority of the priesthood can save individuals

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
. We just need to understand the situation so that we can defend ourselves and our families more effectively. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === It may be, for instance, that nothing except the power of faith and the authority

Re: [ZION] Elder Nelson misquoted

2002-10-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
a week ago. My family surely did enjoy him while he was here. If the rest of your grandchildren are like him, you are one lucky grandmother. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === When attacked by error, truth is better served by silence

Re: [ZION] Wars of preparation

2002-10-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
of Deceit. And he has greater power over men during these last few hours of the telestial earth than at any previous time in the history of the world except immediately preceding the Great Flood. Trivia time: Whatever became of Gorbachev? And what is he doing now? John W. Redelfs

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

2002-10-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
into the Church, to strengthen the feeble knees, etc. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is an eternal principle that has existed with God from all Eternity that that man who rises up to condemn others

[ZION] No More Sex Talk

2002-10-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
OK people, no more sex talk. It is a charter violation. I'll stop if you will. --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

RE: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
After careful consideration, Stephen Beecroft wrote: Wow. NATO, led by the US, no doubt, decided out of a clear blue sky to station some missiles in Turkey. No history to that action, of course. Just a sudden, impulsive decision by those imperialistic westerners against the poor, oppressed Soviet

RE: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
to dilute it down enough. Well, I happen to like sarcasm as long as it doesn't get too personal and hurt too much. My maternal grandfather was heavily into sarcasm and I appreciate the humor as long as it is directed elsewhere. grin Jim Cobabe is really good at it too. John W. Redelfs

[ZION] Clinton the Felon

2002-10-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
was a criminal. It means the people have lost all honor. In our grandfather's day I don't think it could have happened. It shows that we are no longer a virtuous people, if we ever were. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === When attacked

[ZION] Is This Authentic?

2002-10-23 Thread John W. Redelfs
. It is a stone box inscribed with the words, James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus. What do you think? Pretty awesome, huh? John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === If you were a poor Indian with no weapons, and a bunch of conquistadors came

[ZION] UN Moral Authority

2002-10-23 Thread John W. Redelfs
might that affect the good or evil done by the umbrella organization? John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. --Jack Handy

[ZION] Alma and High Priests

2002-10-23 Thread John W. Redelfs
, ie. the Melchizedek priesthood. I see no indication in Alma that he is referring to the office. He is referring to one holding the high priesthood. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Better not take a dog on the space shuttle

Re: [ZION] High Priests

2002-10-23 Thread John W. Redelfs
if his calling requires it. At least that is my understanding. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === I don't think I'm alone when I say I'd like to see more and more planets fall under the ruthless domination of our solar system

RE: [ZION] High Priest

2002-10-23 Thread John W. Redelfs
the three different ways in which a person may be a high priest. I believe that the references in Alma are to item #2, a priest holding the high priesthood. And that would include Elders in our own day. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

2002-10-23 Thread John W. Redelfs
. The pay is just as good, and the work is a lot more fun. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. --Jack Handy === All my

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

2002-10-23 Thread John W. Redelfs
in order to stir up a discussion. I coached him while he was here. grin It works pretty good, doesn't it Paul? John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: Mankind

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

2002-10-23 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 08:48 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Gary Smith wrote: I would say that most apostles will have money. There are exceptions, though fewer and fewer as the Church grows. Even today, many of our apostles are not wealthy, but are comfortable. In my family comfortable is a euphemism for wealthy.

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

2002-10-23 Thread John W. Redelfs
accept the call when given. I think it depends on where you are. There is little prestige in being a bishop or stake president here in this part of Alaska. But in the SLC-Provo area those callings are definitely prestige callings. You can tell by listening to the wives. John W. Redelfs

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

2002-10-23 Thread John W. Redelfs
. Babylon, I would get so depressed I would never get over it. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === If you were a poor Indian with no weapons, and a bunch of conquistadors came up to you and asked where the gold was, I don't think it would

[ZION] High Priests More Active Than Elders

2002-10-23 Thread John W. Redelfs
not nearly as many per thousand. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === I can image a world without war, a world without fear, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.' --Jack

Re: [ZION] James' Ossuary

2002-10-23 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 09:00 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Gary Smith wrote: It fits. So there is a high possibility of this being authentic and in the right timeframe. But imagine having the bones of James! No bones, just the box. The bones are long gone. --JWR

Re: [ZION] James' Ossuary

2002-10-23 Thread John W. Redelfs
were once very much different, who knows what they might find? John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: Mankind. Basically, it's made up of two separate words - mank

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-18 Thread John W. Redelfs
After careful consideration, Marc A. Schindler wrote: I know what you mean, but technically Khrushchev had nothing to do with the embargo of Cuba, which was put into place by the U.S. I think you mean the emplacement of missiles there. But what very few USAmericans realize, and what you

Re: [ZION] Wars of preparation

2002-10-18 Thread John W. Redelfs
. His family were wealthy industrialists. Shortly after they married, Bonnie went to India with her husband, and we never heard from her again. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === The gospel, the kingdom of God, can prosper only

[ZION] Notice from Listowner

2002-10-21 Thread John W. Redelfs
is bouncing so much of your mail, or plan on changing your email address. Again, I'm sorry about these problems, but there is not much that I can do about it. I thought I ought to let you know what is going on. Your friend and brother, John W. Redelfs, [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [ZION] First Presidency statement on war

2002-10-21 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 11:03 AM, Monday, 10/21/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the area of oxymorons, is it possible to have a card carrying liberal democrat and a temple going straight laced Latter Day Saint? Not in my opinion. A conservative Democrat, yes. A liberal Democrat is a socialist. And socialism is

Re: [ZION] War in Iraq

2002-10-21 Thread John W. Redelfs
Trade relations agreement. I just don't understand this telestial world. I'm completely confused. Why is it, that almost every 10 to 20 years we get into a war with someone who has been built up and armed by us? John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [ZION] War in Iraq

2002-10-21 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 12:03 PM, Monday, 10/21/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote: Incidentally, just to twit those who belittle Jimmy Carter's long crusade against war, it was Carter who went to Pyongyang about 6 or 7 years ago and defused the last dangerous situationt here. Maybe Bush should use Carter this time, too ;-)

[ZION] I Just Hate It

2002-10-21 Thread John W. Redelfs
nation deports itself on the international stage, so maybe I should move in Marc's direction. Then again I am a foaming-at-the-mouth anti-communist, so perhaps I should move towards Stephen. I'm starting to get dizzy. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [ZION] Cult of personality

2002-10-22 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 12:01 AM, Tuesday, 10/22/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote: Actually I had posted this because some people had voiced doubts about whether you could be a good member and a Democrat. This idea is often attributed to a well-known GA. A person can be a Democrat and a good Mormon, or he can be a

Re: [ZION] Stop kicking the stuffing out of Turkey

2002-10-22 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 01:44 PM, Tuesday, 10/22/02, Paul Osborne wrote: O come on Steven, get real. We don't even know which of the Presidential candidates the GA's voted for let alone which parties they think the world leaders are in. So how come we know where President Benson stood on these issues? --JWR

RE: [ZION] RE: Voting and parties

2002-10-22 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 09:09 PM, Tuesday, 10/22/02, Stephen Beecroft wrote: But in my judgment, you can't be a liberal Democrat, supporting the liberal Democrat party line, and still be a faithful, believing Latter-day Saint. Much as some, American and otherwise, might find that hard to understand, I think it's

Re:RE: [ZION] Voting and parties

2002-10-22 Thread John W. Redelfs
has been lost in a complete rout. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: Mankind. Basically, it's made up of two separate words - mank and ind. What do

Re: [ZION] Voting and Parties

2002-10-23 Thread John W. Redelfs
is in the office, he should be kept there indefinitely to keep the scoundrels out of that seat. Term limits can backfire. Actually they usually do. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === I don't think I'm alone when I say I'd like

Re: [ZION] What is patriotism?

2002-10-26 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 09:18 PM, Saturday, 10/26/02, Gary Smith wrote: there is more freedom in an American jail than on the streets of Moscow I've been on the web for over an hour trying to confirm this Cleaver quote, and I cannot find it. Do you have a reference? --JWR

Re: [ZION] What is patriotism?

2002-10-26 Thread John W. Redelfs
free and increase the threat of terrorism in the USA. War with Iraq is not in the best interests of the USA. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === I don't think I'm alone when I say I'd like to see more and more planets fall under

[ZION] A Disturbing Contradiction

2002-10-26 Thread John W. Redelfs
of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. And there is no other way to get in. No one obtains the Celestial Kingdom unless he becomes, dead or alive, a member of the Church. There seem to be a lot of people who are losing sight of this fundamental teaching of the gospel. John W. Redelfs

Re: [ZION] Jerusalem temple

2002-10-27 Thread John W. Redelfs
. McConkie spoke of other churches as apostate Christendom. In fact, that was his favorite label for them. It was a phrase he used often. Was he in error to do so. I don't think he was. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === It takes a big

[ZION] American Gnosticism

2002-10-27 Thread John W. Redelfs
to know the answers to these questions. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === I can image a world without war, a world without fear, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.' --Jack

[ZION] Using the Gospel As a Club

2002-10-29 Thread John W. Redelfs
the gospel into it. Okay? Had you understood my post in the spirit with which it was written you would not be upset with me. Nevertheless, I apologize. Please forgive me. I was my responsibility to communicate my meaning more effectively. Apparently I failed in this instance. John W. Redelfs

Re: [ZION] Who is the House of Israel?

2002-10-29 Thread John W. Redelfs
. And if he defiantly continues to expound the false teaching, he will be excommunicated. We always need to keep in mind the difference between false doctrine and not doctrine. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === It takes a big man to cry

Re: [ZION] The veil

2002-10-29 Thread John W. Redelfs
it said that if we could only pierce that veil we would hold each other in much higher regard. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. --Jack Handy

Re: [ZION] The veil

2002-10-29 Thread John W. Redelfs
, or as long as it is convenient, or until something comes along that I like better. But then I don't think the word love should be used so cheaply. In other word I'm still in love with the movie, Princess Bride. Farm Boy and Buttercup had it right. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL

Re: [ZION] Mormon's words on war

2002-10-31 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 08:41 AM, Thursday, 10/31/02, Geoff FOWLER wrote: I know that we are supposed to defend ourselves. However, I have a difficult time reconciling what we (meaning the United States) are currently doing in the world and the words given to us by the Savior through Joseph Smith in section 98 of

Re: [ZION] Iraq: letters in Meridian

2002-10-31 Thread John W. Redelfs
, and the murderer used a knife, not a gun. What we need is murderer control, not gun control. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === I don't think I'm alone when I say I'd like to see more and more planets fall under the ruthless domination of our

Re: [ZION] Imagine that!

2002-10-31 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 04:48 AM, Friday, 11/1/02, Mark Gregson wrote: Apparently, what the Nigerians really want is to get out of Nigeria. That's why they want to steal your money. Or to dupe you into arranging a meeting with them somewhere outside of Nigeria. I read an article a while back about Internet

[ZION] Weapons of Mass Destruction

2002-10-31 Thread John W. Redelfs
would rather that I and all my family die rather than for us to become murderers or those who consent to murder. And if the Lord does not think we are justified in invading Iraq, murderers is exactly what we will be. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [ZION] Iraq: letters in Meridian

2002-10-31 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 05:42 PM, Thursday, 10/31/02, Paul Osborne wrote: Not me, Marc. The damage done by a bat could leave me in terrible shape with broken bones and a bashed in skull. The gun will probably kill me and send me on my way to bliss. So, I'll take the gun bullet, please, with a coke and an order of

[ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-01 Thread John W. Redelfs
in the Americas until after the first contact with Europe? What do you think? John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography and the dancers hit each other. -- Jack Handy

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-01 Thread John W. Redelfs
not the history of science show that it began as a specialized branch of philosophy? And is not philosophy often just secular religion? If so, then there is definitely an overlap that needs to be resolved... or not. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-01 Thread John W. Redelfs
defending a flock of turkeys when he cut all those guys arms off? Always wondering, so many questions, so few answers, John W. Redelfs, [EMAIL PROTECTED] / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-01 Thread John W. Redelfs
. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography and the dancers hit each other. -- Jack Handy === All my opinions are tentative

Re: [ZION] Iraq: letters in Meridian

2002-11-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
free trade, they are being hypocrites. They have no interest in genuinely free trade. It would break their monopolies. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 08:19 PM, Friday, 11/1/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote: And hence the humble SWAG is born... What is a SWAG? I don't recognize the acronymn. --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

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