[Zope-dev] FWIW, ZCVSMixin now at 0.1.1... and rising. ;-)

2000-06-14 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Folks, I don't know if anyone out there is actually trying to *use* my ZCVSMixin/ZCVS Folder stuff, but if you are you certainly want to get the latest release, ZCVSMixin-0.1.1.tgz from the zope.org site: http://www.zope.org/Members/sspickle/ZCVSMixin I put some screenshots up there

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope ...2.1.7 update - patch for EMarket 0.1.03

2000-06-16 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Adam, I looked at your patch... *** EMarket.py.orig Thu Jun 01 00:06:01 2000 --- EMarket.py Fri Jun 16 02:56:35 2000 *** *** 258,265 newMainF.transactionFolder = newTransF Products.MailHost.MailHost.add(newMainF, 'eMarketMailhost', !

Re: [Zope-dev] EMarket and 2.2.0b3

2000-06-29 Thread Steve Spicklemire
I'm sure a lot of this is because EMarket was a 1.x product that has seen relatively little change, in basic structure, since. I'm working on some patched to allow (1) ZClasses to act as MarketItems and Shoppers and (2) ZPatterns integration so that most objects can be optionally stored in RDBM

Re: [Zope-dev] adding attributes to a python product

2000-06-29 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Steve, If the attribute is immutable, just define it as a 'class' variable, rather than in the constructor. e.g., class Foo(.. ): newAttribute = 'hello?' You can of course *change* it in the constructor for new object, but all your old objects will just use the class variable.

Re: [Zope-dev] FWIW, ZCVSMixin now at 0.1.1... and rising. ;-)

2000-06-30 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Shane, This is great.. it does what I wanted to do, but by making a 'fixed name' folder, (a la, 'acl_users'), to do the trick. It also works a lot more like a 'real' CVS folder. Cool. And.. icing on the cake... you can put it in any kinda container! Double Cool! > "Shane" == Shane Ha

Re: [Zope-dev] EMarket and 2.2.0b3

2000-07-01 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi David, I think the design is flawed from the outset and should be changed. Basically I was trying to have my cake and eat it too with this one... and the solution (iterating through the folder class's manage_options and slapping on my own was goofy anyway...) but there's really no need. I'

Re: [Zope-dev] FWIW, ZCVSMixin now at 0.1.1... and rising. ;-)

2000-07-01 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Jim, et. al... > > Steve and Shane, > > We've been positively *dying* to have cvs or cvs-like functionality. It's > one of those things where we left the unix-everything-is-a-file-idiom and > went, "Oh, um, heh, now what?" =) > Well.. I don't know much about cosource but I did just p

Re: [Zope-dev] More comments on ZPatterns

2000-07-03 Thread Steve Spicklemire
So let's start throwing some brute force hacking at the problem! ;-) >> From a mail about the LinuxTag conference: >> P.S. ABout ZPatterns: everyone I spoke to was thought the basic >> idea behind ZPattern was good and sound and nice and so on. But >> _everyone_ complained about

Re: [Zope-dev] More comments on ZPatterns

2000-07-09 Thread Steve Spicklemire
> "pje" == Phillip J Eby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> a (default) rack of TableInfo objects. >> >> Now... some of the Tableinfo properties, and some of the View >> properties are *really* in MySQL. I figured out, from the mail >> list and the source code, that I can c

Re: [Zope-dev] More comments on ZPatterns

2000-07-09 Thread Steve Spicklemire
ther I'm missing some basic concept or it doesn't really work that way! ;-) thanks! -steve >>>>> "Steve" == Steve Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Steve> Steve Spicklemire wrote: >> I just want to make sure I understand.

Re: [Zope-dev] More comments on ZPatterns

2000-07-09 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Wow.. alright. I think I need "ZPatterns for Dummies" or maybe there needs to be a disclaimer "ZPatterns are NOT for Dummies." ;-) I've pretty much given up on Sheets for now. Nothing I've tried has actually worked. I thought maybe I needed to switch to 2.2, but then all the code that *was worki

[Zope-dev] ZPatterns Question - Talking to a Specialist....

2000-08-10 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hmm... this is probably more of a plain Zope question than a ZPatterns question.. but since I'm *using* ZPatterns, I thought I'd check what other folks are doing to implement apps with ZPatterns. I've been creating Specialists with DataSkin subclassed objects in their defaultRacks. The methods

[Zope-dev] hmmm.. wierd permission issues with getPersistentItemIDs()...

2000-08-14 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi ZPatterns folks... ZPatterns-0.4.1snap1 Zope2.2.0-src I have a specialist with a defaultRack storing DataSkin subclassed ZClass instances with only persistent attribute providers. or ... raise AuthorizationFailed ... works fine. What did I do now? ;-) thanks for any ideas! -ste

Re: [Zope-dev] hmmm.. wierd permission issues with getPersistentItemIDs()...

2000-08-16 Thread Steve Spicklemire
jects__' property to the BTreeItems object. I'm not sure who should do that. maybe Rack.py? For now.. I'll just sort the ids. ;-) thanks, -steve >>>>> "Steve" == Steve Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Steve> Steve Spicklemire wrot

[Zope-dev] ZPatterns and "Strategies & Patterns etc...."

2000-08-18 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Folks, Well.. I never heard any comments about my last question.. so I thought I'd try to frame it differently. I just read Coad's book on Object Models etc.. and I think I pretty well 'grok' it.. at least enough to be mildly dangerous. ;-) I'm implementing a project with ZPatterns and I w

[Zope-dev] Porting EMarket to ZPatterns....

2000-08-22 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Well.. I've started down the long winding road of porting EMarket to ZPatterns. I'm sure I'll learn a lot. ;-) Every time I start something I discover that my understanding is shakey.. but getting less so as time goes on.. Here is a concrete problem. (I always work better with concrete problems.

[Zope-dev] Racks and export/import.....

2000-08-22 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Folks, Is there any reason why a Rack shouldn't be 'exportable'? I have a Rack of objects, but when I export/import (as a .zexp) and then call "getItem" I'm getting: Zope Error Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource. Error Type: AttributeError Er

[Zope-dev] ZPatterns.. Property sheets... once and for all. ;-)

2000-08-24 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Folks, OK.. I didn't hear much from my last plea for advice... I thought perhaps such a concrete problem would product lots of sage advice... but there's good news: here's another chance! Really Really Basic: If I have a class like so: class Shopper( OFS.SimpleItem.Item, ZPatt

[Zope-dev] Re: ZPatterns.. Property sheets... once and for all. ;-)

2000-08-24 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Cool! Thanks Steve.. I'll give that a try. I guess the question behind the question though is is this a reasonable way to handle property sheets? Is this how the designers of ZPatterns envision property sheets will be used? I keep getting the feeling that I'm missing a basic 'grokism' of t

Re: [Zope-dev] Porting EMarket to ZPatterns....

2000-08-27 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Thanks Phillip! OK. that helped a lot. The problem is that when things don't work as I expect.. I guess (usually with a high degree of success) that I am off base. Now I've just been experimenting with this in a simpler 'dtml-only' way just to clarify how it's supposed to work. I created a sim

Re: [Zope-dev] Porting EMarket to ZPatterns....

2000-08-27 Thread Steve Spicklemire
OK.. I think I've found a way to do what I want with propertysheets. I just add a generic attribute provider, or skin script to grab the attributes out of the propertysheet... SkinScript to get property from particular property sheet: WITH self.propertysheets.get('ShopperData') COMPUTE email=g

Re: [Zope-dev] Problems with EMarket

2000-08-31 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi andre... Sorry.. EMarket is currently broken in 2.2.x. I'm trying to find time to fix it (actually... I'm changing the code pretty significantly to use the ZPatterns product) but it's slow going as I have lots of other competing projects. Help, as always, is appreciated. ;-) -steve >

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns: transaction bug

2000-09-04 Thread Steve Spicklemire
ZPatterns 0.4.2a1 PlugIns.py bug? I get a 'Name Error' aq_base when I hit the following code while trying to update the index_html method of one of my Specialists from CVSMixin.. I think that this would get hit anytime you add an object whose id is already in the acquisition path -steve d

Re: [Zope-dev] PlugIns.py bug.... (was incorrectly ZPatterns: transaction bug)

2000-09-05 Thread Steve Spicklemire
} else r=Py_None; Py_INCREF(r); return r; } break; Anyway.. it looks like either fix is OK... I guess! -steve >>>>> "Steve" == Steve Spicklemire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Steve> ZPatterns 0.4.2a1 PlugIn

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns: DropZone example

2000-09-06 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Steve, (and any others who might care to comment) I've been sorting through old ZPatterns email looking for inspiration and I came upon this: > "Steve" == Steve Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Steve> Hi folks, Steve> I've been looking at the DropZone example Phill

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns: DropZone example

2000-09-06 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Steve, > "Steve" == Steve Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> ShopperManager.InsertItemIntoShoppersBasket(shopper=aShopper, >> mi=aMarketItem, quantity=qty), Steve> Seeing as the context is clearly ShopperManger (or Steve> Shoppers), I don't think there's any need f

Re: [Zope-dev] SkinScript, and family

2000-09-08 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Bill, I doubt that skinscript is going to help with 'potentially complicated calculations'. Skin Script works with ZPatterns (Specifically DataSkins) to provide control over how attributes of DataSkins are gotten, and stored. They are normally pretty simple "if THIS then THAT" kinds of

[Zope-dev] ZPatterns.... more thoughts about implimentation of a concrete system...

2000-09-19 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Every couple of weeks I get a little time to work on this stuff... well, it's been a couple weeks. ;-) I was flailing last time over the issue of how to create objects that could be 'plugged' into different frameworks cleanly. One problem was that my existing framework had specific classes of o

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns.... more thoughts about implimentation of a concrete system...

2000-09-20 Thread Steve Spicklemire
t;Itamar" == Itamar Shtull-Trauring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Itamar> Steve Spicklemire wrote: >> (3) Has anyone found a better way to adorn 'plain' objects with >> methods? Itamar> An AttributeProvider? Itamar> -- Itamar S.T. [

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-ZEO] Advice

2000-09-22 Thread Steve Spicklemire
We're using ZCVSMixin for just such a scenario. It's working a lot better than nothing. ;-) It does still have rough edges, and you need to know too much about how it works to do anything complex, but it does allow us to manage changes and test/stage/update etc with a much greater degree of cont

[Zope-dev] How is 'retrieveItem intended to work with TTW Specialists?

2000-09-25 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hello ZPatterns Folk. I'm trying to implement 'delagation' with a custom Specialist. The idea, (I think this is one of the goals of ZPatterns... to allow delegation of responsibility after the Framework is built...) I have: a) MarketItemManager (Python subclass of Specialist) Some of meth

Re: [Zope-dev] How is 'retrieveItem intended to work with TTW Specialists?

2000-09-29 Thread Steve Spicklemire
gt;>>>> "pje" == Phillip J Eby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: pje> At 08:00 AM 9/25/00 -0500, Steve Spicklemire wrote: >> So my retrieve item gets called. *unfortunately* it gets >> called without any namespace parameter... so my retrieve

Re: [Zope-dev] How is 'retrieveItem intended to work with TTW Specialists?

2000-09-30 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Thanks again... it's great that you're willing to entertain my apparantly twisted use of ZPatterns. ;-) > "PJE" == Phillip J Eby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: PJE> To put it another way: design your whitebox specialist how PJE> you want it. Make it complete, but of course some parts

[Zope-dev] Success! Was: Re: [Zope-dev] How is 'retrieveItem intended to work with TTWSpecialists? Specialists?

2000-10-04 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Thanks again... I just wanted to report that this worked like a treat! The actual syntax I ended up using was: WITH ProductSpecialist.getItem(self.id) COMPUTE theRealThing = (RESULT is _.None) and NOT_FOUND or RESULT WITH self.theRealThing COMPUTE price=RESULT.discountPrice(self.theRealTh

Re: [Zope-dev] Success! Was: Re: [Zope-dev] How is 'retrieveItem intended to work with TTW Specialists? Specialists?

2000-10-05 Thread Steve Spicklemire
to 'get around' the security system.) I'm curious to know what you folks do here.. do you write accessor methods for every type stored in your DataSkins? Anyway.. thanks for the great tools! I'm having fun now. ;-) -steve >>>>> "Phillip" == Phillip J

Re: [Zope-dev] Accessors for DataSkin attributes (was Re: [Zope-dev] Success!

2000-10-05 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Phillip First of all... please forgive the long message. When I started it was going to be a quick note... now it's turned into a bit of a novel... but you don't have to read it all. ;-> I'm spewing all this out in part to illustrate some of the things I've done 'wrong' so that others mig

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns design questions

2000-10-05 Thread Steve Spicklemire
OK.. here's the dumbest example I could cook up. It was my first experiment with ZPatterns in July of last summer. It was based on a really early release, I don't remember which, but it seems to work with the latest.. (I just barely testted it... ) Load the Product ToDoProducts.zexp into the pro

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns design questions

2000-10-05 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Ack.. of course I forgot to test creating new instances there was a snippet of code for editing and creating that didn't work with the new propertysheet stuff. I fixed it just now... so it really works. ;-) -steve >>>>> "Steve" == Steve Spicklemire <[EMAIL P

Re: [Zope-dev] Thank you very much SteveS for your efforts and the working zpatterns example.

2000-10-05 Thread Steve Spicklemire
I'd love to bask in the glory of having done something really significant. but just remember... it *is* the Worlds Simplest (some might say Dumbest) example! ;-> -steve > "James" == James Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: James> At last some meat AND potatoes for us feely touchy

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns design questions

2000-10-05 Thread Steve Spicklemire
That's it. I can't imagine anything simpler. ;-) Really! -steve >>>>> "Michael" == Michael Bernstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Michael> Steve Spicklemire wrote: >> Ack.. of course I forgot to test creating new &

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns design questions

2000-10-06 Thread Steve Spicklemire
I should point out a couple of things that might not be obvious (that I noticed only on a second 'read' of the explaination): 1) getPersistentItemIds() can be a pain. is straightforward enough... but what if I don't care if they are sorted, or I want to sort on some other property? One would

Re: [Zope-dev] ToDoManager ZPatterns example not working

2000-10-06 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Erp! Sorry... I think the ZClass and the Rack got out of sync... I'll upload a new 'consistent' pair.. sorry! -steve > "Itai" == Itai Tavor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Itai> Hi, Itai> I installed the ToDoManager/ToDoProduct example Itai> (http://www.zope.org/Members/sspickle/D

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns design questions

2000-10-06 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Ack.. sorry... I was making little changes last night to make sure the ZClass was completely consistent with my explaination, and to make sure I could start 'from scratch'. I created a 'new' ZClass, and a 'new' rack. This confused the 'old' Rack. (I didn't update the ToDoManager.zexp, so if you d

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns design questions

2000-10-06 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Michael, > "Michael" == Michael Bernstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Michael> - You skipped over creating the Product in the Products Michael> folder. Ooops! Sorry... I guess I assumed that the reader would be familiar with ZClasses etc this should probably be stated up fro

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns design questions

2000-10-06 Thread Steve Spicklemire
> "pje" == Phillip J Eby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> - Propertysheets: You don't expressly say that Shared needs to >> be a 'Common Instance Property Sheet'. pje> Actually, if it's intended to be shared across all instances, pje> there seems to me to be little reason to h

Re: [Zope-dev] Accessors for DataSkin attributes (was Re: [Zope-dev] Success!

2000-10-06 Thread Steve Spicklemire
> "pje" == Phillip J Eby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: pje> It is *not* undesirable to have ZClasses be subclasses of pje> your core logic base class. Just make sure they *also* pje> subclass DataSkin, or that you use the metaclass definition pje> stuff above. You've actually

[Zope-dev] Refresh and debugging product creation issues.....

2000-10-07 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Debugging products is a pain... restarting Zope all the time is a Pain THANK GOD for Shane Hathaway. ;-) I am delighted to report general success with the Refresh product! My only problem is while debugging the process of creating new EMarket instances, I find that every time I run 'Refres

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns + Skinscript

2000-10-30 Thread Steve Spicklemire
o be a call to your query: WITH yourQuery(... parameters for your query... ) COMPUTE movie_link, movie_title... etc. If you get the same errors in the first case.. then your problem has nothing to do with SQL. -steve >>>>> "Joachim" == Joachim Schmitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns + Skinscript

2000-10-30 Thread Steve Spicklemire
he first one to try Joachim> it. I try it out. Joachim> On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Steve Spicklemire wrote: >> Hi Joachim, >> >> Hmm.. I would start start really simple here, and then 'work >> up' to the sql query Create a defaul

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns + Skinscript

2000-10-30 Thread Steve Spicklemire
quot;getItem('anyOldThing')") JS> File JS> /usr/local/Zope-2.2.0/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_With.py, JS> line 146, in render (Object: theItem) KeyError: (see above) JS> what's the best way to debug this ? JS> On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Stev

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns + Skinscript

2000-10-31 Thread Steve Spicklemire
OK I think I found the problem(s): *** Expressions.py 2000/10/18 23:11:55 1.1.1.3 --- Expressions.py 2000/10/31 14:14:09 *** *** 133,139 def eval(self,mapping): """Return the result of looking up/calling the name from 'mapping'. If the object was

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns + Skinscript

2000-10-31 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Joachim, > "Joachim" == Joachim Schmitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joachim> Hi Steve, Joachim> that did it, many thanks, how did you debug this ? The debugger is your friend. ;-). Seriously I'd be lost without it: http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/HowTos/TheDebuggerIsYourFri

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns, Racks, Customizers, etc.

2000-11-02 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Would something like this work? newSpecialist = Specialists.Specialist() newSpecialist.id = 'goobers' newSpecialist.title = "Goober Manager" myFolder._setObject(newSpecialist.id, newSpecialist) newSpecialist = newSpecialist.__of__(myFolder) newSpecialist.RacksGroup.

Re: [Zope-dev] Debugging ConflictErrors

2000-11-06 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi John, This is one of the problems with SkinScript, and I've not found any great way to sort through it. Here are my two (three?) cents worth 1) Break the SkinScript triggers down to the simplest possible event, and test them individually. If this is not possible, then debug the trigg

Re: [Zope-dev] It's been a while

2000-11-06 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Roche, PJE produced some great comments about this in reaction to my lame attempt at an example. There also some good discussion about other questions on the list. Here are a few choice posts: http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2000-October/007232.html http://lists.zope.org/piperma

Re: [Zope-dev] JPython Product?

2000-11-08 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Casey, I think this is a fine idea. The main thing that keeps me from doing it is that JPython doesn't work on Netscape (Mac) and so (at this point at least) I can't use it, unless I have a context where I can insist that users use a particular browser. The other annoyance is the long do

Re: [Zope-dev] Objects that are properties

2000-11-08 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Roche, This is a known problem. Use: Now you have the required itemIDs in itemIDs. -steve > "Roch'e" == Roch'e Compaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Roch'e> I have a Customer and Address ZClasses based on Dataskin Roch'e> as well as a CustomerManager specialist.

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns, MySQL, Full Text Searching

2000-11-08 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Chris, ZPatterns and ZCatalog work fine. Here is a skin script I've been using to keep a catalog up to day with DataSkins: WHEN OBJECT ADDED CALL Catalog.catalog_object(self, _.string.join(self.getPhysicalPath(),'/')) WHEN OBJECT DELETED CALL Catalog.uncatalog_object(_.string.join(self.ge

Re: [Zope-dev] Best way to start on ZPatterns ?

2000-11-10 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Nigel, Yes.. the example still works. I am working on an update that incorporates some of the suggestions folks have made and better illustrates some ZPatterns concepts. Basically the example is *too* simple, and it doesn't separate PD, and UI issues very well.. -steve > "Nigel" ==

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns: Remapping object from on to another specialist

2000-11-13 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Jimbo, I'm not sure what you mean by 'not getting anywhere...' but I've generally found it useful to work on problems like this one little step at a time. I might be tempted to just try: WITH EmployZManager.getItem(self.id) COMPUTE original_object = (RESULT is _.None) and NOT_FOUND or R

Re: [Zope-dev] Specialists, Racks, and Objects, oh my!

2000-11-13 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Bill, The 'type' of object is set in the Storage tab of the rack. The specialist can decide which rack to use based on circumstances that dicate one type of object or another. -steve > "Bill" == Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Bill> I want a specialist to have two (or

Re: [Zope-dev] TTW Product not showing up.

2000-11-15 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Jimbo, DataSkin and CatalogAware are incompatable. You can however use SkinScript to emulate CatalogAwareness here is a snippet I use on one site WHEN OBJECT ADDED CALL Catalog.catalog_object(self, _.string.join(self.getPhysicalPath(),'/')) WHEN OBJECT DELETED CALL Catalog.unc

Re: [Zope-dev] CVS and Zope methods

2000-11-16 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Petr, If you're running on something unixy.. you could use ZCVSMixin... -steve > "PK" == Petr Knapek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: PK> Hi Zopists, I am working on a Zope project and we decided to PK> store source code in CVS. With python Zope products there is PK> no problem

Re: [Zope-dev] CVS and Zope methods

2000-11-16 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Robin, You can FTP to the 'methods' tab of your ZClass using: ftp://name@server:xx21/Control_Panel/Products/YourProductFolder/YourZClass/propertysheets/methods -steve > "Robin" == Robin Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Robin> On the same kind of note I find that while the cod

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns: Methods of specialits

2000-11-22 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Roch'e, I'm guessing that getAllContactsForCustomer is a "DTML Method". If I remember correctly the third argument is a 'mapping object' that can be used to augment the effective namespace available to the method. Passing _.None should do nothing (I'm guessing you could just use "getAllCo

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns Project Help!

2000-11-22 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Ben, GAPs are sort of deprecated at this point in favor of SkinScript. In SkinScript you might do something like this: WITH accounts.getItem(self.account_id) COMPUTE account_object=RESULT or more carefully... WITH accounts.getItem(self.account_id) COMPUTE account_object=(RESULT is _.No

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns and ZCLasses

2000-11-22 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Joachim, If you don't care about existing *instances*, but just need a DataSkin subclass you might be able to save labor by creating a subclass with your old ZClass as well as DataSkin as base classes and use that for new instances.. -steve > "Phillip" == Phillip J Eby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [Zope-dev] Method calls

2000-11-23 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Roch, The whole traceback would be helpful.. one clue: Error Type: TypeError Error Value: hasattr, argument 2: expected string, int found 'hasattr' is the function that is complaining do you use it in your code? -steve > "Roch'e" == Roch'e Compaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Re: [Zope-dev] Method calls

2000-11-23 Thread Steve Spicklemire
In Roche, OK.. it's the 'in' tag that's causing the problem. Why not try: and see what 'in' is choking on... -steve > "Roch'e" == Roch'e Compaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ... Roch'e> line 147, in render (Object: Roch'e> modList="Products.Modules.getModulesForProduct(this(

Re: [Zope-dev] Method calls

2000-11-23 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hmm... OK ... next question... what are you doing *in* the 'in' tag? Somehow you're trying to access an object contained in an object manager (one of your modules?) and you're using an 'int' rather than a string as an id. Can you post the code? thanks, -steve > "Roch'e" == Roch'e Compaan <

[Zope-dev] Re: ZPatterns getPersistentItemIDs() bug?

2000-11-27 Thread Steve Spicklemire
n't allowed to be exposed directly by the security machinery. However, 'sort' short-curcuits the machinery so that you can 'handle' them (in this hack, you store them in a simple python list). Anyway.. it's not clear it's a bug worth fixing... if it's a bug at

Re: [Zope-dev] Create Virtual DataSkin

2000-11-27 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hmm... since triggers are done at transaction commit time, could it be that the 'change' trigger doesn't happen if the change occurs on the same transaction as an 'add'? -steve > "bentzion" == bentzion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: bentzion> This simple issue is driving me crazy... I a

Re: [Zope-dev] Non-TTW ZPatterns

2000-11-27 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Chris, No.. you're not off your rocker... I think you can do all the things that are possible through the web in your product, but some/(or most?) of the *point* of ZPatterns is to allow for integration and customization of your application after it's installed. A lot of that happens in Sk

[Zope-dev] Hmmmm.... what do *you* do when Zope is 'stuck'.

2000-12-02 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Folks, Ok.. this is the wierdest thing I've run into yet. Any ideas how to diagnose this would be most appreciated. It's a little bit like quantum mechanics. When you try to measure it... it changes. ;-) I have a Data.fs that has somehow gotten into a state where Zope just hangs there. I c

Re: [Zope-dev] Hmmmm.... what do *you* do when Zope is 'stuck'.

2000-12-02 Thread Steve Spicklemire
OK.. more details... this is definitely a PoPy issue... I reinstalled ZPoPyDA, ran Zope in single threaded mode ( ./start -t 1 ) and then deleted my ZPoPyDA database adaptor. Then I created a new one, connected to postgres, and tested it. Then when I shut down Zope, and restared multi-threaded

Re: [Zope-dev] how to access propertiesheets of a base ZClass

2000-12-03 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Joachim, You want to initialize the value of a property that is inherited from a base class to some constant value? I think you'll need to do that in the constructor. e.g., in the IntField_add method, inside the tags... -steve > "Joachim" == Joachim Schmitz <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPoPyDA for FreeBSD... was (Hmmmm.... what do *you* do when Zope is 'stuck'.)

2000-12-03 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Thanks... I'm pretty sure now that what I was was pthreads/popy related. I didn't realize there was a new/updated PoPy/ZPoPyDA on the zope site with lots of thread related (sem_init, sem_wait,... ) changes so I built it on my FreeBSD boxen and haven't seen the same behavior since. -steve P.S.

[Zope-dev] ZPatterns, ObjectDomain, UML and all that.....

2000-12-04 Thread Steve Spicklemire
I've been working out some issues with EMarket, and as a way to 'clear the cruft'.. I decided to bite the bullet and do some more careful object modeling. Other than scribbling on paper, and making up some diagrams that look a little like those from Coad's book on Patterns and Strategies, I've ne

Re: [Zope-dev] Implementing [XOR A] 1 object connections in ZPatterns

2000-12-05 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Itai, > "Itai" == Itai Tavor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ... Itai> The 2nd way seems to go better with OO principles - all Itai> handling of photos is delegated to the Photos Specialist and Itai> the Product doesn't care if the photo exists or not, or Itai> where it come

[Zope-dev] Re: ZPatterns, ObjectDomain, UML and all that.....

2000-12-12 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Itai, I think this is a brilliant idea! I'm sure there are sixteen ways to implement each of these... but having one concrete way would be a big help to a novice -steve > > >Object relationship| > (Pattern) | Implementation > >--

Re: [Zope-dev] Adding and setting properties from a virtual Specialist

2000-12-13 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Itai, > "Itai" == Itai Tavor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Itai> "OrderingEntities.getItem(some_id).current_order_id)"> shows Itai> me the value of current_order_id of the Employee object Itai> some_id. But I can't figure out how to change the property Itai> so it get chang

Re: [Zope-dev] Adding and setting properties from a virtualSpecialist

2000-12-13 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Itai, > "Itai" == Itai Tavor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Itai> Say I got several Participants, and some of those need to be Itai> able to place orders. I create the Specialist Itai> OrderingEntities to implement the role of 'someone who Itai> places orders'. From what I u

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZPatterns, ObjectDomain, UML and all that.....

2000-12-15 Thread Steve Spicklemire
? What, Itai> another Specialist just to link Actors to Participants? Will Itai> this never end :-(? Itai> See, I'm stuck. Please please please could someone who do Itai> not identify themselves as ZPatterns novices find the time Itai> to add to this g

Re: [Zope-dev] Loginmanager and local roles

2000-12-19 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Morten, > "Morten" == Morten W Petersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Morten> (Can't understand why I had to use an additional list Morten> though). You probably found that Zope doesn't allow you to access the elements of a BTree object (which is what you get from "persistentIte

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope] [BUG] Background processes interfere with Zope's HTTP responses

2000-12-19 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Deiter, Hmm.. I just tried this with my highly experimental product (LocalProc 0.0.1) and I didn't observe the same effect that you did behind my Proxy Server. (I normally run with Rewrite... but when I got your note I tried ProxyPass and it worked on the first try.) (Good howto Anser! ht

Re: [Zope-dev] 'Subclassing' another product

2000-12-19 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Morten, There are two ways to subclass products. You can use straightforward Python subclassing: e.g.,In your custom Product.. here is an example from Zwiff: > import Products.PythonMethod.Guarded > > from Globals import HTMLFile, MessageDialog > from App import Common > > manage_addZ

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZPatterns, ObjectDomain, UML and all that.....

2000-12-23 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Itai, > "Itai" == Itai Tavor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Itai> I'm already using globally unique ids, but still, doesn't Itai> using the same id for the Participant and the Actor make Itai> these objects too tightly coupled? Seems to me that Actors Itai> should provide an

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZPatterns, ObjectDomain, UML and all that.....

2000-12-24 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Itai, Good idea! I'll try to add this to the example. thanks! -steve Itai> P.S. I've been struggling with a problem that might get Itai> cleared up if you added it to the example: Itai> Say you want to allow a user to add a ToDo from the Itai> Deliverable screen (in addi

[Zope-dev] Re: ZPatterns, ObjectDomain, UML and all that.....

2000-12-05 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Thanks Roche! > "RC" == RC Compaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: RC> Hi Steve RC> I'm also a babe in the woods when it comes to object RC> modelling, but here's my pennie's worth. Since code RC> generation was not really required in the models I recently RC> did for Zope

[Zope-dev] ZPatterns example update....

2000-12-28 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Folks, The Dumb ZPatterns example is updated. Now there is some more realistic object referencing going on, borrowing of code snippets between Specialists and suchlike. There is also more in the way of reasonable documentation, though everything is in flux, and it still doesn't resemble a

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns question

2000-12-28 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Christian, Well, nobody else answered that I saw... so I'll take a crack at your questions > "CS" == Christian Scholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: CS> Hi there! CS> Finally I managed to get a basic understanding of how to do CS> things with ZPatterns ;-) So seems quite

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns example update....

2001-01-01 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Itai, >>>>> "Itai" == Itai Tavor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Itai> Steve Spicklemire wrote: >> Hi Folks, >> >> The Dumb ZPatterns example is updated. Now there is some more >> blah blah blah Itai> N

Re: [Zope-dev] How to confuse the publishing process

2001-01-03 Thread Steve Spicklemire
/test1/" /> I am in the test1 folder. I don't see the behavior you describe.. What did I misunderstand? thanks, -steve >>>>> "CW" == Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: CW> Steve Spicklemire wrote: >> Hi Chris, >>

Re: [Zope-dev] Objects with multiple parents and storage flexibility, ZPatterns?

2001-01-03 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Chris, Random thoughts follow. ;-) I think that if you make your DataSkins folderish it will be hard to make the storage anything other than ZODB. However, Steve Alexander posted a neat trick the other day where __bobo_traverse__ is supplied by an attribute provider. You could use this t

Re: [Zope-dev] Objects with multiple parents and storage flexibility, ZPatterns?

2001-01-04 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Chris, >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Chris> Steve Spicklemire wrote: >> I think that if you make your DataSkins folderish it will be >> hard to make the storage anything other than ZODB. Chris> W

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZPatterns: __getitem__ on a DataSkin instance

2001-01-05 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Steve, Hmm.. is the 'id' of your PythonScript also getattr? thanks, -steve > "Steve" == Steve Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Steve> Steve Alexander wrote: >> Let's say I have a DataSkin-derived ZClass that has the >> attribute "forename" (in a dataskin attribute

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPatterns: SAVING doesn't tolerate missing attributes

2001-01-06 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Steve, Could you let some other value represent no car? (e.g., _.None?). untested... WITH CompanyCars.getCar(self.car_id) or NOT_FOUND COMPUTE car=RESULT, car_registration=registration OTHERWISE LET car=_.None car_registration="no car" WHEN OBJECT CHANGED CALL HAS_CHANGE

Re: [Zope-dev] Massive scalability

2001-01-17 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Andy, I'm not sure what you mean by 'interface/way', so.. I'm going to guess at two possible interpretations. 1) Basically ZPatterns allows you to define classes (DataSkins) instances of which can optionally be used to view/create/change/delete external data through methods of the class

Re: [Zope-dev] Local roles and security of ZClass instances in Specialists

2001-01-23 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Itai, I'm sure there's something clever you could do here with an attribute provider for you user object that supplied __roles__ dynamically somehow, but I'd need to think about that more... one easy way to limit who can see different stuff is to use a wrapper around your access methods (e

Re: [Zope-dev] Storing part of an object on the file system

2001-02-09 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Andy, I think that ZPatterns may be helpful for something like this. You could have certain attributes loaded from an exteral method that looks on the filesystem for stuff.. and others in ZODB. It could be configurable via SkinScript. At least this might be a quick way to get something up

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