Re: [slim] New approach to dead Boom / SB3 (Classic) / Transporter
Too lazy to dig up the datasheets for those memories but I suspect they are rated at 10,000 or even 100,000 erase cycles. I feel it is unlikely wear should be an issue when used in this application. Since the erase operation is rather slow, sometimes you don't erase and overwrite when using this kind of device to store small data structures such as player settings, instead you invalidate one setting entry and then append a new. This way you normally don't waste an erase cycle each time you change a setting. Just speculating, have no idea if any of this is how it's done in the SB. And for more speculation. Perhaps some power glitch could be derailing the state machines inside the Flash that perform the low level erase/write operations, leaving stuff half erased/written? Especially since the failures were triggered when playback was about to start. Now, given that this happened after you had replaced a bunch of capacitors that were past their prime the voltages should be cleaner than before, there's a lot to contradict this theory, but maybe it's still worth looking for ripple or spikes on the voltages. Anecdotally, I've seen some weird issues in some consumer electronics when I replaced electrolytic caps of questionable pedigree with the best stuff I could get my hands on, seems like the design was tuned for the low budget components. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=117140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New approach to dead Boom / SB3 (Classic) / Transporter
Sorry for being vague, shouldn't have formulated a question before my first cup of coffee. I was thinking of the model of the memory device. But from your answer I can deduce roughly what kind of Flash it is. Flash of that generation usually have pretty much no data retention problems, but heat can accelerate the process so maybe using a hotplate for soldering could potentially be an issue. Never had a problem with data loss in normal circumstances, some 15 years ago I came across a few memories where single bits had been flipped, but that was on outdoor equipment where we suspected lightning could have been involved. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=117140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New approach to dead Boom / SB3 (Classic) / Transporter
Curious, what's the model number of the device? alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=117140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Analog output on SB3 no longer seems to work - suggestions?
I think the first thing to try is to reprogram the Xilinx. Remove power from the SB3, press and hold '1' on the remote while reconnecting power. I believe you will get some prompt on the display when done. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116250 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Classic V3 dead?
df77 wrote: > I would suggest to first check if the power supply still provides > sufficient power Failing power supplies is perhaps one of the most common causes of "dead" Squeezeboxes, and it's definitely the right place to start, but there is a little caveat when it comes to testing. If you decide to test the power supply by measuring voltage, please note that it must be connected to the Squeezebox. Measuring without anything connected could give a perfectly good level, but once it has to drive the Squeezebox it may buckle. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115078 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Receiver/Duet - no analog sound
As far as I understand, complete lack of sound on this family of players can often be fixed by reprogramming the Xilinx device. On players with infrared remotes, initiating this process is simply a matter of pressing the right button on the remote while connecting the power, but I have no idea how to do this on a receiver. Maybe someone else can step in and explain how it's done? alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114598 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech is done making Harmony remotes
Franck@ wrote: > The creation of "activities" is great and essential. This avoids having > to juggle multiple remote controls Exactly! My Harmony controls TV, AVR, satellite receiver, Squeezebox and an HTPC running Kodi. Aboslutely seamless. Extra comfort points for using RF between remote and Hub. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech is done making Harmony remotes
I bloody love my Harmony Hub, at least when I'm done configuring it because that's an ordeal which perfectly illustrates the vulnerability of hardware that's dependent on cloud services. Hopefully Harmony customers will get the same level of long term support that Squeezebox users have enjoyed with mysqueezebox.com. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I think my SliMP3 just died
Sounds to me like a perfect application for 'the DAC32' (https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?113633-DAC32-low-cost-high-performance-music-streamer). alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113945 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Growing mass of failing SB3 (Classic)
philippe_44 wrote: > Not sure what you mean by contemporary. Ive updated the drivers a while > ago to support color displays as well, so you have a decent choice. Now, > it is SB with and optional color display for artwork. If you want a > Touch/Radio like experience, a Pi with piCore player does a super job. What I'm looking for is pretty much an SB3 replacement. Similar in size, capabilities and user interface. The issue with the display is that there doesn't seem to be a viable replacement for the VFD display. There are lots of nice, sharp monochrome OLEDs but I haven't come across any similar in size and aspect ratio as the one in the SB3. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110985 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Growing mass of failing SB3 (Classic)
florca wrote: > Maybe a slight tangent from the original topic, but... > I have four original, white SB3s which I am *very* attached to, partly > due to their near-perfect industrial design For me the SB3 is the ideal model, nice form factor and a display I can read at a distance. However, like me, they're not getting any younger and the signs of age are beginning to show. My main player recently died (likely the internal PSU, a fair chance it can be fixed), but even if I get it going again, the VFD is beginning to fade now. florca wrote: > So.. has anyone attempted to strip out the entire internals and replace > with something like a Pi zero + mini-DAC (something like a 'HiFiberry > DAC+ Zero' > (https://www.hifiberry.com/shop/boards/hifiberry-dac-zero/))?? I haven't > even opened up any of mine to see how much room is available, and the > obvious challenge would be how to either replace the display (with > what?) or maybe drive the existing one (how?). I've had similar thoughts, the work that has been done on the ESP32 based projects looks amazing, but the display is the crux. There doesn't seem to be any equivalent displays using "contemporary" technology. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110985 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter: No apparent output
I believe there have been some reports on Transporters that stubbornly refuses to output audio, but it's always worth a try to do a Xilinx reset. See 'Wiki' (https://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Special_IR_Keys_on_Reboot_for_Factory_Reset_and_Last_FW.html) N.B. the wiki post doesn't actually list the Transporter, but it's a IP3K-based player so I guess there's a good chance it works the same. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113025 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Need a help
Did you measure the PSU output while loaded, i.e. when driving the Squeezebox? It's quite common that the PSU can deliver the right voltage with an open output but when it's connected to the SB the voltage drops. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112520 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?
chopinhauer wrote: > But if Logitech pulls the plug surely at least my current set up will > still work. Correct? Correct, up to a point. It won't halt the minute Logitech shuts down the servers, but it may still affect you in a longer run. Considering that the Squeezeboxes were always a bit of a niche product, and how long it was since it was dropped, there is still a pretty robust ecosystem and user base. It's obviously not on an upward trajectory, but there are some heroes that manage to keep it relevant with new adaptations and additions in reaction to how use patterns and delivery methods change. If servers were shut down and this forum closed the natural hubs that some of this work depend upon are lost. Fully replacing them will not be trivial if at all possible and that could, in a pessimistic scenario, lead to the end of support and development. For a user that only use a local music library and a handful of plugins it would not immediately change anything, but you could experience a gradual loss of functions. If you need to migrate your server to a more recent operating system, LMS may not fully operate on that without updates, new network security protocols may block crucial resources for LMS or plugins etc. It is very much a community effort today, but the community is helped by the resources Logitech supplies. Sounds like doom and gloom, but what I'm saying is that life with LMS will be easier for all of us as long as it is a maintained product. It could very well go on for years without Logitech sponsorship, but I don't think a transition would be without major hassles, resources scattered and some developers losing interest. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111525 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB2 has died
cliveb wrote: > The power supply wall-wart is fine, supplying 5.08V. Was that measured with the PSU connected to the SB2? A common failure mode of these are to measure fine on open output but buckling when asked to drive any load. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111255 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] creating a current playing display
I tried a different take on this, casting the web interface, in this case the Now Playing of the Material skin, to the Google Nest Hub. The word to note here is the "casting" bit, my home automation controller (Homey) allows me to cast a web page to a specific Chromecast player, but I'm sure there are software available to be run on our servers that can achieve the same thing. The key is that it's the server that initiates this instead of you pointing your display to a specific source. In many cases I think this can be beneficial, perhaps the community can come up with more ideas based on this. One thing to remember is that this particular setup can not be both controller and player. I can use the castbridge plugin to play on the device, but that stream will replace the stream with the control interface and vice versa. Perhaps this could be solved if it was integrated in the same plugin, but as the sound from this device is far from exciting, I don't care. Anyway, I got a tidy interface on my device with minimal tinkering. 27887 +---+ |Filename: hub_control.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27887| +---+ alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Power adaptor for SB2?
Far easier going for one intended for a Squeezebox, like 'this one' (https://www.amazon.de/Ladeger%C3%A4t-Aktuelle-Squeezebox-Netzadapter-Replacement/dp/B014KS6MRW/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=psu+squeezebox=1558884447=ce-de=1-1) (first found on Amazon) They can be found on on Ebay too, or various chinese sites. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110597 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 rebooting after playing a few tracks
Two common faults that can give those symptoms are the external power supply and the WiFi board. Since you have a spare SB3, have you tried with the power supply from that one? Next would be to open the unit and remove the WiFi board and test it using ethernet cable? Both power supply and WiFi board should be possible to source on eBay e.g. If none of that helps, there are capacitors in the internal power supply that could be past it. There are some threads in the forums about replacing those, but start with the simple things. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110531 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter doesn't play anymore
For silent slimproto players, a Xilinx reset sometimes helps. Instead of holding the '+' button pressed during power up, hold the '1' key. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110522 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 reboots after soon after starting to play
Have you tried with a PSU from one of the other SB3s. I would say that for a behaviour like that, more often than not a failing PSU is the culprit. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107412 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox v3 died
Most likely the power supply, voltage shouldn't drop that much when connected. Theoretically it could be something inside the SB3 drawing too much current, but given how prone the power supplies are to fail I'd say it's the place to start. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109861 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Slimdevices Squeezebox Classic stopped working
Could be the WiFi board, but my money is on the power supply. Generic replacements aren't prohibitively expensive. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109765 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox suddenly stopped working help please
Man in a van wrote: > I have run LMS from all types of Windows OS with just the default > firewall and Microsoft anti-virus without these sort of problems. > > i have never had need of a static IP or anything else. Just kept it > plain a simple without programs like Avast, Zone Alarm or CCC which have > all caused me grief in one way or the other. Agreed. Currently don't have it running on any windows machine but never had to jump through any hoops when I did. Just the default stuff and it never missed a beat. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109713 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox suddenly stopped working help please
NE5 wrote: > And both ends of the BT flexplug are directly plugged into the electric > wall sockets too as it tells you too. If disabling the firewall or antimalware software doesn't help, next I'd look at those. It's a bit of a reach since the Squeezebox get an IP address from the router, but still worth investigating. Just as an experiment, bring the Squeezebox to the same room as the router and use just the ethernet cable between the two. You'll see on the display if it connects to the server. Those poweline adapters are great when they work, but sometimes they just don't. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109713 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox suddenly stopped working help please
There does seem to be something amiss with your server, looking at the output from the web interface, but I doubt it's the cause of this problem. You say you use ethernet, but do you have a cable connected straight to the router or do you use some kind of powerline ethernet plugs? These can become a bit unreliable. Also, do you use any kind of firewall or anti-malware software on the PC? Reserving an IP address for the PC will ensure that it will always get the same IP address, it shouldn't affect this issue, but I admit it's a bit strange that the PC gets different addresses. Often the router will assign the same address on the next boot. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109713 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox suddenly stopped working help please
NE5 wrote: > Sorry I missed this last bit I'll do that. What sort if info will it > give ? If you're able to open the web interface to the server it's telling you that the server is at least running, a quick test you can do when the player is unable to connect. NE5 wrote: > I am getting : > > Can't connect to server" > "Left to go back, right to try again" > > Then ive tried both actions repeatedly with no success, changing the ip > address after typing the ones shown on my LMS properties on the PC. It > has connected twice after lots if attempts, and both times Ive turned it > back on the following day and back to square 1. You shouldn't have to change anything, I'd even advice against it, just set it to automatically get IP through DCHP and then never touch it. With a few exceptions, setting IP addresses manually gives no major benefits and has a tendency to cause a lot of weird problems. Another thing, I believe you said that you changed from wireless to ethernet, did you change the configuration in the Squeezebox to use the wired connection instead of the wireless? alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109713 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox suddenly stopped working help please
NE5 wrote: > the squeezebox turns on, and stays turned on. It goes through its > connection sequence but fails to connect, despite several reboots of the > SB, router and PC. It has connected twice in about the last 20 attempts, > and numerous changes of IP selections, it just connected randomly. You really go out of your way not to answer questions don't you? NE5 wrote: > I have tried letting it detect ip settings automatically, and manually. Automatically is generally the way to go for players, as I said, if it's able to fetch an IP address it indicates that a lot of things are good. NE5 wrote: > If you mean, is the server running ie on the PC screen, then it appears > to be but how can I tell if it isn't ?? If you can bring up the web interface it's a good bet it's OK, I even gave you a link to click on. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109713 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox suddenly stopped working help please
NE5 wrote: > it turns on, and tries to connect, but won't. > > It has occasionally failed to connect for a while now, I needed to > reboot the SB, or my PC/router to get it working. Now it isn't working > at all, apart from after numerous attempts when I don't do anything > different at all, just change settings then it decides to play ball. > > I must say, the theory that it is a dislodged or a faulty card fits and > could be the reason. Failed to connect? Any error message on the display helping us understand what's going on? Did you check if the server is running? So far I haven't seen any information to suggest it is (or isn't) a faulty board. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109713 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox suddenly stopped working help please
I have to say I find the descriptions of your problem to be very hard to follow. Can you give some detail about what you mean when you say your Squeezebox has stopped working. It would seem that the display lights up and the unit accepts input from the remote, right? Nevermind that the IP-address changes, that's a red herring, but the fact that you get an IP-address in the right range automatically indicates that quite a lot is healthy. Did you ever verify that the server was actually running on your PC? If you launch a web browser on the PC you should normally be able to open the web interface by going to http://127.0.0.1:9000 alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109713 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Momentarily play sound, continue with the playlist - IoT/smarthouse
I've seen a few discussions on the forum over the years. A quick search only turned up 'this thread' (https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?109058-Announcements-Doorbell-plugin), but I think there are more to be found. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109679 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Scan non standard file extensions into music library
You say "some files", are we talking tens of files in a handful directories or tens of thousands files spread all over the place? Not sure if it solves the issue, and depending on the situation it may for a number of reasons not be manageable, but perhaps building a set of symbolic links with the desired extension in a separate directory could solve this. LMS scans a directory with one extension, iTunes sees another but it's the same file. To me, it seems better to never rename the files and let iTunes work with a bunch of symlinks, but if that doesn't work, try the other way around. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109373 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blank screen when turned off
Just a thought, a cursory glance at the thread I only found stuff regarding the screensaver. Check the brightness setting for the blank SB too, maybe it's set to "off" or whatever the lowest setting is. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109340 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Music Noise Artifacts
I think 'Xilinx reset' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Special_IR_Keys_on_Reboot_for_Factory_Reset_and_Last_FW) is the best bet. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109319 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] replacement remotes?
As it happens, Logitech makes universal remotes, and they were kind enough to include SB support. Currently using a Logitech Harmony Companion to control TV, STB, AV Receiver, DVD and SB3. That said, I haven't tried to set up my SB from scratch using a universal remote. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109229 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox restarts/loses network
jonblauch wrote: > Thanks for the words of advice.I have connected the SqueezeBox 3 to > the network directly ( wired vs wireless) and have the same symptoms. I > have already done the reset/update firmware procedures. I have not > opened up the unit. @alfista - I did not remove the WLAN board as you > suggest, but it does seem all signs point to the unit itself. Agreed? > I haven't had the problem myself, but as far as I understand the WLAN card problem will cause reboots as long as the card is present in the unit, even if you run wired. To me this seems like a hardware problem, internal to the unit or in the external power supply. jonblauch wrote: > I am inclined to buy a whole "new" replacement unit on ebay or through > Amazon.Any thoughts on whether it is worth it to "upgrade" to the > Squeezebox touch? If i buy the same v3, will my current remote work > with the replacement unit ( the ones sold through Amazon often are > missing the remote.) > Your remote will work. For me the v3 is the perfect fit for form factor and function, Touch has some advantages but it's difficult to say if they're worth it without knowing how you use your SB. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109138 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox restarts/loses network
Two likely culprits: There has been quite a few failed WLAN boards which can cause different symptoms, often reboots. This can be verified by removing the board and testing the unit using wired network. Replacement boards are reportedly available on eBay. The power supplies are notorious for failing and generally causing reboots. If this is suspected, 3rd party replacements are dirt cheap. What's a bit different in your case is that you have to go through the setup again. I don't think that's usually the case for the faults mentioned above. Maybe begin with a factory reset (Hold down the '+' key on the remote while pluggin in the power to the unit). alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109138 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Touch upgrade
What are the purpose of the change? To have a more expensive system or some added functionality? alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108925 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Classic - no audio output
Worth a try doing a Xilinx reset, see http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Special_IR_Keys_on_Reboot_for_Factory_Reset_and_Last_FW alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108614 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Classic failing
The two most common problems with SB3, by far, seems to be WiFi boards and power supplies losing steam. You can find decent aftermarket PSUs with the right connector from China for "peanuts", and if you can run wired then you can just remove the WiFi board. Either of those fixes seem to revive the majority of SB3s. If you have a Touch you can try with that PSU, it should work, or maybe someone you know have a SB you can borrow a PSU from and see if it helps. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108576 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] probelm with access point
As already stated, seems like you have two separate networks. I believe the cable should be connected to one of the LAN ports of the AL89300 to avoid creating a separate network. A quick experiment to try at least. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108501 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] squeezebox3 troubleshooting
Removing WiFi board is good advice. Also, try to measure power supply output when connected to the SB3. I've seen power supplies that had good voltage when not loaded but dropped to around 3V when connected to the SB3. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108252 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Radio Menu
You wouldn't be able to provide a little context? Since there is nothing with just that name, you don't exactly give any information that would help getting a relevant answer. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108227 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Smart people will stay with Squeezebox
Tony T wrote: > What I never understood was why Logitech did not make their UE Wireless > speakers (and other brands) compatible with LMS. It would be great if > there was a way to have a portable wireless (or BT) speaker connect to > my LMS. Could be many reasons, at the top I suspect is that it just was two completely different departments under the Logitech umbrella working on the products, possibly on opposite sides of the world. Typical for big companies. And if they against all odds were aware of each other, most likely they didn't see that the potential increase in sales LMS compatibility might generate would warrant the increased development cost. That would have been my assessment at least. I also suspect that most speakers of that kind (regardless of brand) for cost reasons are built around a few pretty specialized chipsets. Probably somewhere between difficult and impossible to implement the necessary protocols. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107925 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezeboz V3 dead - help
When you say it went dark, is it just the display that is affected or is it completely off line? If it is completely out, i.e. not playing and not seen from LMS or Mysqueezebox then I'd start looking at the power supply. They have a tendency to act up, but replacements are readily available on Ebay, Aliexpress et al. Sadly the cheap replacements aren't always the best quality, but at the price I can't complain if they only last 4-5 years. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71402 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
cliveb wrote: > Logitech were, and always would have been, the wrong company to buy Slim > Devices. Their core businesses were just miles apart. Perhaps, but I think most other companies would have struggled to keep the product line going, and most other companies would have wasted no time pulling the plug on support once they pulled out of the market. Another kind of company may have been better suited at operating in a niche market, selling through channels other than the major retail chains or developing a licensing model. But those other companies could just as well have folded during the financial crisis the years after the sale and taken the Squeezebox with them. So even if Logitech, to put it bluntly, failed, they did so in a fairly nice way. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
drmatt wrote: > Sonos also made the executive decision to cripple their digital outputs, > for reasons no one can fathom; nor do they seem interested in sorting it > out. And that must have cost them about five sales or something? I honestly don't think the majority of potential Sonos buyers know, much less care. Wouldn't know if there's an uside somewhere, but since I doubt there's any downside from Sonos' perspective, even the slightest advantage would make it the right decision. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
d6jg wrote: > My point was that Sonos had started to become accepted in the consumer > electronics field just as Logitech pulled out. Yes. Only a different subset of the consumers than the Squeezeboxes caters to. The fact that there was enough buyers to support Sonos doesn't suggest that there would have been enough to keep the Squeezebox going IMHO. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
d6jg wrote: > What is crystal clear though is that they killed the product line at > exactly the wrong time just as other high products such as Sonos etc > were being launched. Is it? Sonos had already gained good traction by the time Logitech shut down production, but I don't see the relevance. In my mind Sonos and Squeezebox don't have an awful lot in common, and it was the market for Sonos-like product that took off while the market for Squeezeboxes withered. The Squeezebox was an idea whose idea had come, and gone. Logitech tried to salvage their investment in the Radio by "dumbing it down", maybe they could have been successful if they had gone even further on that path, but then it wouldn't really have been Squeezeboxes. A Transporter II marketed under a different brand, with the latest audiophile tickbox items and proper marketing hyperbole might have worked, but hardly interesting for a company like Logitech. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
I truly fear for humanity. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57861 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
petarst wrote: > It seems my plan has failed, i knew that router will create some noise > and i want to eliminate it That's just nonsense. There's nothing to suggest that noise carried on the ethernet cable under normal circumstances will affect audio performance. Even so, why would a switch induce worse noise than the NAS? Could just as well be the opposite. Enjoy your system and don't waste time coming up with solutions to problems that simply don't exist. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57861 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Improving Wireless Strength on the Squeezebox
Recoveryone wrote: > but I guess bumping up to 5G allowed less traffic and better signal > strength for all my Touches in the house That's not how WiFi works, moving the server to 5 GHz will not affect the signal strength to your Touches in any way. Your Touches clearly had sufficient connection (signal level and data rate) before the changes you made, otherwise they would have been pretty much unusable with music cutting out at irregular intervals. Any improvement over a level that is "good enough" will make the connection more robust, but it will not make any change to what the Touch receives and hence no change to its output. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=3974 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
Short answer: Nah, at least not a Squeezebox brand based on the architecture we know and (mostly) love. Don't get me wrong, I think the Squeezebox ecosystem is genuinely amazing. There seems to be no limit to the adaptability and extensibility, constantly made to run on new platforms with new exciting integrations like voice control. But I don't see any market large enough for a resurrected Squeezebox line. The "unique selling point" of the package, the jewel in the crown, is LMS. Mysqueezebox is an afterthought and doesn't offer anything the competition already does equally good or better. Since the download market has dropped sharply and CD sales as far as I know are in a slow decline, it seems users having a local media library is a narrowing niche in the market. And sadly, to capitalize on the power and flexibility of LMS, there is a bit of a learning curve. It becomes very obvious when things like the recent changes to Spotify streaming that a lot of users haven't fully managed to understand this glorious concept, and I don't blame them. The Squeezebox was a reasonably priced player that came at a time when there were few alternatives, no online streaming services, no smartphones or bluetooth speakers. It was primarily aimed at users with a bit of computer skills that wanted to play their ripped CDs (and whatever MP3s could be found on Napster et al) through a stereo system. A bit of tinkering came with the territory and wasn't a problem, when you got it working it was in every sense a huge leap forward over hooking your computer to the sound system. Today you get a Spotify client in your TV or your receiver, bluetooth speakers are ubiquitous and if you have a music library at all it's often on your phone. Among "audiophiles" you may still find people interested in maintaining a music collection, but they aren't going to sully their pristine signal chain with some cheap plastic thing from a keyboard manufacturer so they aren't going to help the sales. A "dumbed down" product aimed primarily at online streaming (like UE Radio) is probably the only thing that would make any sense for Logitech, but I doubt it would have an easier time now than it did when it was cancelled in 2014. The phone (that people already use to access Spotify) and a decent speaker does the same thing. I think the Squeezebox as a concept will live on for a long time, maintained and supported by enthusiasts. The ride will inevitably be a bit rocky when Logitech pulls the plug on their servers or assigns M Herger to other tasks, but I believe it will survive that too. As much as I wish there were new players for sale, I don't see it happen, but I keep enjoying the great system I have in LMS and have no plan to stop using it. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Improving Wireless Strength on the Squeezebox
Actually think the internet would be a saner place if all texts containing "s*und st*ge" would be quietly sent to /dev/null. I mean, is it really a thing? Is it ever used in any meaningful context? And if someone actually believed the stuff, hooking up the server to 5 GHz isn't "putting out more bandwidth" to any Squeezeboxes, for a number of reasons it will be exactly the same. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=3974 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Vortexbox forums & VB Wiki domains dead?
Fredo wrote: > > > What did I do wrong? Not sure if that's the reason it failed, but if you have a VB that's not the right package, you should use the RPM. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106668 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Strange Persistent MYSB Memory in SB3
The MAC address of the unit is associated with the old account, the previous owner should have released it before selling it on. Either contact the previous owner or contact Logitech support and have them help you with it. You will have to supply the MAC address that should be on a sticker on the bottom of the unit. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104553 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] My last SB Classic just died...What to replace it with?
rulof72 wrote: Well, I guess it was bound to happen. The last of my SB Classics from 2005 just died. It was losing connectivity for the last few days and today it just stopped completely. It won't even power up. I tried a couple of power adapters but to no avail. There's been many reports of failing WiFi-boards causing similar problems. If you can live with wired connection it could be worth a try to open the SB3 and remove that board, or alternatively trying to find a replacement. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104164 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?
Ikabob wrote: I believe they'd really be able to market them to bring in a very big profit. Can you present a market analysis backing that? alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103588 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] network issue - need some help and advice
The WiFi analyzer will probably not tell you anything useful in trying to solve this problem, and I doubt it has anything to do with WiFi at all. Any chance you could log on to the Pi and check CPU load when you have your TV connected to the LAN. Perhaps the TV for some reason is pelting your Pi with so much traffic that it can't keep up with serving your Squeezeboxes. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103509 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] FNG. Old Touch. Unable my music Any help appreciated.
In short, to use a networked music player, you need a working network, start with getting that sorted before you do any more troubleshooting on your Squeezebox system. I assume your No 1 router is the one connected to your modem or equivalent on its WAN side and that you then have a wired connection to your PC on the LAN, if so that's pretty much the best practice. If the WiFi part of that router doesn't provide enough signal for your premises there are a few methods to improve coverage. The best method is to add access point(s) where signal is weak. The access point may be a dedicated device, or you may configure a router with WiFi to act as an access point. This is then connected via wire to your router. A different method would be to use WiFi repeaters or range extenders, yet another would be to use powerline ethernet adapters to set up a wired connection to your Touch, but it gets increasingly hit-and-miss the further you stray from the proven solutions. If you have 2nd router wired to your No 1 router I suggest to check if it can be setup as an access point, at a minimum you should disable DHCP on it. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103300 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] FNG. Old Touch. Unable my music Any help appreciated.
Apesbrain wrote: Are you able to find instructions on how to use the second router as a repeater? It's typically not as simple as just plugging it into the first one. It's usually referred to as an access point, hopefully the new router can easily be configured in that mode. Either that or setting the original router in bridged mode and disable the WiFi on that. And I agree, just plugging it in is generally not a good idea which this thread illustrates. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103300 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] wireless access denied
I suppose it's asking for a security key for the wireless network, not a password. Is the key really the same as the password? alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103343 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
Was it perhaps the name that shall not be mentioned but sounded a bit like Disunity Quease, that was the problem? I'm truly sorry for the bad fortunes that may have fell upon involved parties, but the way it has been communicated in these forums is bound to draw ridicule. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Classic won't connect to Wifi or LMS
Ok, found the stuff I was thinking of before, and it seems I was on the right track see 'Proprietary SB3 Firmware Turnkey Media Solutions' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?95025-Proprietary-SB3-Firmware-quot-Turnkey-Media-Solutions-quot) Suspect this explains the tkmclassics and the non-standard firmware version. Glad it sorted it self. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100917 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Classic won't connect to Wifi or LMS
If it's a demo model it's not possible AFAIK, but I doubt you would even have come this far with one of those. I believe there are also a number of SB3 floating around that were delivered with firmware for a specific customer (don't remember the details), if it's one of those you may be able to have Logitech set up mysqueezebox.com so that new firmware is downloaded. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100917 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transition to Vortexbox - hoping to do it 'right' from the start
garym wrote: not that I know of. frequently requested. Andrew says the next major update to Vortexbox software will allow installation from USB stick. There are instructions somewhere on how to install from USB, but they were so convoluted that I gave in and burned a CD. Usually I burn to CDRW if I think I'm only going to use it once, but unfortunately the ISO is too large to fit on CDRW. If USB install is coming, it's not a day too soon. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100549 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is there any continued development of the Squeezebox server software?
The concept of LMS is in my opinion the greatest strength of the system and what set it apart from the competition (many of which withered and died long before SB). It is also the reason I went for SB instead of any of the other systems. The actual implementation of LMS may have left something to desire in the stability department though. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98450 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Top 7 products that should still exist according to CNET
So, it's not just us die hards, http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57577076-221/top-7-products-that-should-still-exist/ alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98436 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] My squeezebox classic has wiped firmware i believe how to get firmware on it?
Sounds like some electrolytic capacitor or other is on it's last legs. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98263 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox discontinued, how about its server?
charlotte wrote: Please reassure me Can't be done it seems, you simply seem hell bent on spreading your unfounded FUD wihtout any regard to available information or the replies you've alreade gotten on this forum. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97029 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Paid music services over Squeezebox players in the future- is this gonna discontinue?
DaveWr wrote: There is every reason to speculate, we have no official communication of support status from Logitech. One reason might be that the future support of SB depends on the success of UE Radio which for obvious reasons is unknown. DaveWr wrote: As operating systems change, updates to LMS are unlikely. See above. Since both servers are pretty closely related I wouldn't entirely rule out new builds of LMS. DaveWr wrote: This was always the case, no earning from LMS and permitting iPeng and others to become cheap software players totally undermines any commercial opportunity for this product line. Logitech's apparent radio only approach is a sensible reaction to the environment that many external developers have created. Blaming the situation on external developers it quite a stretch, and for that matter the most commonly used software players was released by Slim Devices/Logitech them selves, if anything I beleive the external developers have helped hardware sales. But I do agree the UE Radio is a sensible reaction, my impression of the last years sales is that SB Radio has massively outsold the Touch, and that most of those Radios only rarely if ever connect to LMS (actual figures would be interesting if a Logitech employee happen to know). If my impressions is correct it makes perfect sense to streamline the products for the main customer group. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96371 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Paid music services over Squeezebox players in the future- is this gonna discontinue?
DaveWr wrote: I don't blame the situation on external developers but the strategy (or lack of) from Logitech. There was no protection of Logitech value, consequently no business case. As soon as derivation of players appeared on third party software products, there was an inevitable issue for Logitech. I have no issue with these developers they did what is natural, but it was bound to have consequences. I wouldn't invest in a business that has no protected intellectual property anymore. The gate are open to all. Logitech apparently thought that there was a business case since they forked over $20 million for the concept and the brand, what has changed since then has nothing to do with the protection of their intellectual property so I fail to see your line of reasoning. Software players were available before their purchase so no difference there, and they've never generated any direct revenue. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96371 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Paid music services over Squeezebox players in the future- is this gonna discontinue?
DaveWr wrote: No I only own two software players with sync capability, but they work fine for hours. I believe hit and miss might appropriately describe the current situation for syncing SW players, and I'm not sure SqueezePlay is significantly better than the others in that respect. DaveWr wrote: People appear to be compiling Squeezeplay for lots of devices if they manage raspberry pi well. Some tinkering is going on in the dimly lit dens of enthusiasts, seriously doubt that it has made a noticeable dent in the hardware sales for Logitech though. As of now I don't think there are any software players that fully emulate their hardware counterparts, especially when it comes to the increasingly popular online music services, Logitech didn't give it all away. Seriously, look at the major changes in the way people listen to music during the last 5 years, isn't that a more likely culprit behind Logitech changing direction, rather than some hobbyists (who often own quite a lot of SB HW) and a few garage companies messing with software players. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96371 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] LMS Future! What's version 10 of UE Music Library
kidstypike wrote: On a windows install there does *NOT* appear to be any way of getting to the Settings web interface, unless you are savvy enough to know your server IP address, and that the port no is 3546. Then again, is there any tangible benefit in using the web interface for configuration on a Win/OSX install? It's all about making things manageable for the person more interested in just listening as opposed to tinkering. Even though I use the web interface occasionally, partly because I now run the server on Linux and partly since old habits die hard, but on my Windows install I found the control panel interface to work just as good if not better. It should be far easier for a complete newbie to come to terms with since the interface is essentially the same as for all other configuration tasks on your OS platform of choice. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96439 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?
pallfreeman wrote: No, what I said was that Logitech have been encouraging use of their official forum since day 1, which is incorrect. The quoute was verbatim from one of your posts in this thread. pallfreeman wrote: Very fair point, but is it not a case of Logitech turning their backs on the SB community? Remains to be seen. Yes they've discontinued production of the SB stuff, but let's be honest, that happens to all consumer electronic products at one point or other and is a perfectly normal event in any market. What makes a difference is the way they will support the product after this point. Will there be support for installing LMS on upcoming OS versions (at least the next increment)? Will Logitech keep support for online music services running on MySB (fix stuff when the services change their API). alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?
pallfreeman wrote: As I (almost) said before, Logitech have encouraged people to use their official forum for the Squeezeboxes for a long time. They may prefer it if we refer all UE stuff there. Could be. Either way, Logitech can have it the way they want, an UE related section here will only happen if a Logitech employee creates it. What you didn't just almost say was: IMO, we should refuse to have anything to do with the UE stuff on the Squeezebox forum. Let's see how well Logitech cope with supporting their users without additional resources from the community. And that seems a bit petty to me, what would the SB community gain from that? Wouldn't it better justify the continued existense of this forum if it provided some help for UE users too? UE is here, SB is soon gone from the market and I don't think we are likely to change that by turning our back on the users who hop on the UE train now, simply because they were too late to catch the SB train (or couldn't figure out where to buy the SB ticket as it were if you think bout the marketing). pallfreeman wrote: They may even think we're being bloody-minded and stubborn because we want to carry on with *this* forum. Certainly a thought, again since this forum is still around it would stand to reason that they're not all that bothered with it. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Shouldn't we have an UE Radio forum?
erland wrote: Currently a success of UE Smart Radio is the biggest chance that Logitech will continue to maintain the Squeezebox server/firmware as it's pretty similar to UE Smart Radio Prexactly! I don't think I will buy into the new products, they're not really the thing for me, but I think there is some method to the madness in the new concept and I believe it could be what it takes for some of the SB DNA to survive in the long run in a world that is vastly different than the one SB was born into. The UE stuff will have to pay for any support we hope to get for our SBs. That's not to say we should act like Logitech fanboys or do the marketing for Logitech in hope of drumming up large sales, but stubbornly trying to obstruct their efforts would be counteractive (and also futile). alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
JJZolx wrote: I'm probably forgetting a few things, but: - much better sound quality than a PC's onboard audio, without a pressing need for an external S/PDIF or USB DAC .. - a color display of what's playing - very low energy use Pretty much turn key installation which is worth a few bucks for those who don't have the time, interest or knowledge to DIY. The old receiver was built on a dead end HW platform that couldn't hack it anymore. By replacing the SB3 and the receiver with a single product, economies of scale came into play. Two different products (one with and one without display) would have led to higher development costs and they might have had to sell the displayless at a lower margin (no big difference in production and material cost but the market would have expected a significantly lower price). alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Labarum wrote: Thank you, you state the general issues. I asked how the proposal affects the older and newer products differently. I think the older and newer products depend differently on mysqueezebox.com, and I think the older products have more elements of the firmware that would remain outside the public domain; if I have read correctly. None of the firmware for the real slim devices have ever been open source I believe and it's not likely to change, for the fatter devices (Touch, Radio and possibly Controller) some source is available, some isn't. For the older products we can pretty much forget a third party FW, for the more recent devices it's technically not trivial (legal issues aside) and I rather doubt there will ever be a third party FW based on Logitech sources. In short, there are differences in that respece but I doubt they have any practical consequences. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
epoch1970 wrote: With a flock of tiny 24/7 servers maybe stream handling could be distributed, as in the torrents + tracker model ? I hardly think server capacity is the issue, rather that some of these services is unlikely to cooperate with a loose knit bunch of hackers. To put it bluntly, I expect many of them want an entity (such as a company) that they can sue if terms in the comprehensive contract is violated. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
epoch1970 wrote: Sure thing. Bandwidth is expensive, so a decentralized system, as far as possible and acceptable, might decrease the costs. I could be wrong, but if we consider only the traffic and processor load involved for users that run local LMS (i e not connecting their players directly to MySB), then my guess is that it is rather small. Kinda doubt that the added complexity of a distributed system with servers all over the world would give any benefit. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
Considering all the clever plugins availabe (which is one of the things that makes the SB system so impressive) I wouldn't be all that surprised to see someone coming up with a plugin or somesuch that made at least some online services available to SB users even after MySB is dropped, perhaps by mimicking a new Radio towards the new backend. Someone used the term proxy and that sums it up pretty good I think. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Grumpy Bob wrote: From my perspective, the new UE system fails my needs because: 1. There's not a HiFi quality player, just a radio with no digital or analogue outputs (other than a headphone socket) Not currently no, but there's nothing to say there won't be. It's been said that there won't be a Touch as we know it that is a rebranded Touch the way the new Radio for all intents and purposes is the same box as the old one. To me this more or less hints that more products will be added to the line, what they will be like is of course another matter. But if you decide to introduce a new line with only one player, I think it makes sense to begin with the Radio considering that the hardware was readily available and that it's the most popular model, hence more likely to rapidly get a bit of momentum for the product line. Grumpy Bob wrote: From my perspective, the new UE system fails my needs because: 2. The UE Music Library software doesn't run on Linux, so I can't run it on my QNAP as I do LMS It's not in the marketing blurbs no, but as has already been confirmed it does run on Linux. Unless you have to replace your SB devices today there's no need to worry too much about what shortcomings the new line has, a lot of it is likely to be remedied before a replacement is due. Also, while we may feel gutted that Logitech killed the SB, giving the new products a bad rap is counterproductive. I suspect that the continued support for SB have more to gain from a success of the UEML-stuff than a failure. After all it's the same people that's behind both products, if the new stuff sell they will be around, if it bombs they may be shut down and canned replies from first line support is all that remains. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: Well if they pull the plug my setup at the office would not work . We have no computers and only use tablets for our business. The Touch is directly connected to the router and only MySqueezebox is being used to play music. On the other hand, seeing as the Touch (as the only SB to date) has its own rudimentary server it would still be able to perform a lot of its entertainment duties even if mysqueezebox was axed. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Jon Lord - RIP
Gingernut63 wrote: ...and fire in the sky. His Hammond organ defined the sound of Deep Purple, more so than Ritchie Blackmore's guitar. Exactly my view, a lot of their tracks wouldn't have nearly the same punch without the organ, sadly it takes more than just a cursory listening to figure this out so I don't think he always got the credit he deserved. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95839 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] make suggestions about the new forum appearance
aubuti wrote: For that matter, on the main page, the icons for Sub-forum has threads with unread posts and Sub-forum does not have threads with unread posts are also too similar -- just a slight difference in the shading of the blue icon. That was the first thing that caught my eye, or maybe didn't catch my as as it were, not as immediately obvious where there's new postst as it was in the old look. aubuti wrote: And too much white space on the screen is the second thing I would say. Yep, I can't put my finger on it, but I get the distinct impression that I'm racking up a lot more mouse miles when browsing the forum now. And it's still a two step process to mark an entire sub forum as read. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94513 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How I fixed my SB3 when it kept freezing /Rebooting
toby10;671307 Wrote: I think you need more exceptions added, not just myi myd And since we're talking about 7.7 I guess, those would no longer be required since SBS/LMS post 7.6 doesn't (normally at least) use mySQL. I've used 7.5, 7.6, 7.7 with MSE and apart from the *.my* exceptions once needed I've never had to tweak MSE in any way. Perhaps a reinstall of LMS after changing security software would do the trick. -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91095 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Headless Squeezebox Player
Carrick1973;668502 Wrote: I love the Squeezebox Touch, but it doesn't seem quite as practical as a headless unit with the same internal DAC Based on the experience from the SB Receiver, the Touch is infinitely more practical than a headless unit, especially during installation. I wouldn't go as far as saying that the cost of the display is negligible, but the cost of the display is likely to be so low that it's not much point for Logitch in having a slightly cheaper but far less flexible product in the lineup. I've never understood why some people are so bothered by having a function on their device that thay rarely use, have a look at the appliances and gadgets in your home, I bet that for most of them there are some features that you've never used. -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Good Squeezebox alternative?
toby10;665837 Wrote: Hi-Fi shops not carrying SB: I'd bet margin is a big factor as well. Yep, definitely more likely to be the factor than sound quality even though there is some merit to the concept of SbS being a bit difficult to explain. toby10;665837 Wrote: MySqueezeBox.com: Yes, unneeded for your local music, and that is a factor. But keep in mind how important streaming services are to the over all hardware sales. Whether you use it or not a reliable and ever improving MySB is truly key to the success of the entire SB line, now and going forward. Agreed. Some of the more vocal members around here are so content with ever improving their tagging scheme to better organize their music that they forget (or just aren't aware) that many others, even when running their own SbS, rely on MySB in one way or other to access the material they want. -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91090 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech servers down in the UK again?
garym;654125 Wrote: Given the intermittent problems, I still think you have a network issue. Have you tried to give the TOUCH a static (fixed) IP address (not a reserved DHCP address). Then again, you haven't been treated to the european MSB experience. It's the definition of intermittent. From a computer on ethernet I can sometimes access the web page, my SB3 is freqently disconnected for longer or shorter periods, if I use the diagnostic feature of SBS it reports communication failure with MSB (currently only on port 9000). It's just the way the server available to us over here works, it can be rock solid for a long time and then without warning (and most notably without any explanation from Logitech) it starts going up and down like a yoyo for months on end. Often it's only one protocol at a time that's unreliable, thus only one class of equipment is affected (slim or fat clients). And as you could see in the thread on the official forum, Logitech isn't likely to open a support ticket on this issue. Oh BTW, it's my estimation that messing about with fixed IP addresses has caused more problems for SB users in total than it has solved. Unless you know very well why you absolutely need fixed IP, stay with dynamic. I may be wrong, but either way, it won't help one bit with MSB in europe when it's having a bad month or three. -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89831 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech servers down in the UK again?
garym;654183 Wrote: And yes, use of SbS 24/7 solves LOTS of problems I think. Undoubtedly, it's however not reasonable to expect those who only use their systems for listening to online content (web radio, Spotify et al) to install and maintain SBS. And since SBS relies on MSB to provide access to some of the online music services you may still experience outages if MSB goes down, although it does seem to be less frequent. The long and short of it is, unless you're only listening to your own library you pretty much have to depend on MSB being available, if it's flaky then all bets are off regardless of what equipment you're able to set up yourself. -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89831 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why recommend someone to get a Squeezebox ?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88915 Question: Why recommend someone to get a Squeezebox ? - Its excellent audio quality - Best price/performance on the market - Excellent hardware/software quality of the whole solution - Great support for online streaming services - Great support for browsing and playing local music - The possiblity to extend it to multiple rooms later on - Its support for third party plugins - The possibility to directly interact with Logitech regarding new features/bugs - This community and forum - I wouldn't recommend a Squeezebox to anyone Going to myself, I believe most answers will reflect the reasons what we enjoy with SB. When (or if) I would recommend it to someone else, the reasons I would refer to would very much depend on who that person would be. For my nieces, the access to Spotify would make the Touch interesting, for my cousins wife the access to radio stations from her home country would make the Radio viable, for my colleague with an interest in obscure death metal it would be niche radio stations, for another colleague with an enormous CD collection it would be possibility to efficiently browse the collection, possibly adied by clever plugins. Then there's a lot of people for whom I don't think it would be a good solution at all. Possibly it would have been more interesting with a poll about our reasons for not recommending an SB product. I'm not sure it's as simple as saying that people with little interest or knowledge in computers would be unable to have a pleasant SB experience. In my experience it's often the more enthusiastic and knowledgeable computer users (tinkerers basically) who tend to run in to the most difficult problems. Sometimes due to more complex network setups, sometimes due to more software conflicts. People with little interest in computers often have more or less plain vanilla systems and generally don't mess with them which mostly keeps them out of trouble, -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88915 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Controller Squeezebox from a different computer
The easiest way would be to use the web interface of the server. Just point the web browser on your netbook to http://192.168.0.2:9000 (replace the IP-number with the appropriate for the machine running Squeezebox Server in your network). Another way would be to install a client on your netbook. Personally I like Squeezeplay which you can download from http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/index.php?ver=7.6 -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88928 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB2/SB3: firmware on mysb.com != firmware on 7.5.3 release?
Yep, there's a mismatch. See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=620486postcount=44 If your SB2/SB3 is set to not update FW automatically the display will be blank if you connect to MySB with the older FW which some has interpreted as the unit being broken. -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86669 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] secondhand classic v3
No, it's in the menus on the SB3 itself. -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85316 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New set-up info required
You need to have Squeezebox Server running on the Linkstation (which it may be good at doing, or not, or anything in between). Check out the forum section for third party hardware for information about this kind of setup, I expect there to be some threads about your model of NAS. -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85327 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify (officially) on SqueezeboxServer?
banananas;601893 Wrote: I'm afraid that Transporter, for example, will drop in sale if there's no official soultion offered. I doubt listening to Spotify is much of a driver for selling Transporters. Very little overlap in customer segments I would expect. banananas;601893 Wrote: Isn't there a way for Logitech to create a lite version of the plugin for the older players (with less memory inside?). As the developers have explained, not unless Spotify remove the DRM malarky. In other words, don't hold your breath. -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84670 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Squeezebox is dead... long live the Squeezebox
gorman;594598 Wrote: Where?!? See this thread http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83542 -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83786 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Squeezebox is dead... long live the Squeezebox
ehjones;593796 Wrote: So after 5 years, several house moves and general abuse my Classic has died (endless rebooting cycle which my troubleshooting-fu has failed to solve). Assuming you have tried factory resets and other operations of that kind there are a few more things you could try. 1) See if you can borrow a power supply from someone, if it turns out to be the cause of the problem it shouldn't be difficult sourcing a replacement. 2) A weak point seems to be the WiFi board, quite a few people has been able to resurrect their Classics by removing and/or replacing them. Disassemble and remove the WiFi-board and see if it works that way. If it does it might be possible to find replacement boards on eBay, unless you're happy with using it wired of course. If it's beyond repair, I'd say there's nothing wrong with buying a Classic if you're happy with it. There seems to be some new in stock and it's likely to be the last chance of getting an unused Classic. -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83786 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Classic Display Scroll
See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83248 -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83635 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pandora Song Title Not Scrolling
Perhaps related to the recent changes in the mysqueezebox.com service: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83248 -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83533 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
