Re: Digital Neurology

2014-02-24 Thread LizR
Sounds (vaguely) similar to Fred Pohl's A Plague of Pythons. On 24 February 2014 20:14, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/23/2014 10:21 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 24 February 2014 16:49, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/23/2014 9:26 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:

Re: How would an Earth-Earth system evolve, different than the Earth-Moon

2014-02-24 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, February 24, 2014 3:35:33 AM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 23, 2014 11:39:50 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: They would pull further away, I believe. Tidal drag slows the rotation of the bodies (for example by pulling the ocean out into an ovoid in this case) and

Re: Digital Neurology

2014-02-24 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:45:36 AM UTC, David Nyman wrote: On 23 February 2014 17:27, Stathis Papaioannou stat...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: John Searle in one of his papers proposes that if our brain were being gradually replaced we would find ourselves losing qualia while

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, February 22, 2014 8:12:05 PM UTC, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Ghibbsa, Well, first of all my theory doesn't tell nature what to do, it asks nature what it does and attempts to explain it. All the issues you raise are good ones, but when my theory is understood it greatly SIMPLIFIES

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Jesse, Let me make sure I understand what you are saying. You say we can drop an arbitrary coordinate system onto spacetime, and then we can place an originally synchronized clock at every grid intersection. Is that correct? And that those clocks read what is called the coordinate times of

Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-02-24 Thread ghibbsa
On Thursday, February 20, 2014 6:56:39 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi ghibbsa, On 20 Feb 2014, at 16:19, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:59:50 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Bruno, You've said somewhere in this thread that by logic comp

Re: All mass and energy are just various forms of relative motion

2014-02-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:59:44 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: This seems vaguely akin to the discovery that most of the mass-energy of a proton is the binding energy holding it together. If we found that the mass of the quarks was also in fact binding energy we might end up with something

Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-02-24 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 7:42 AM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, February 20, 2014 6:56:39 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi ghibbsa, On 20 Feb 2014, at 16:19, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:59:50 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Bruno, You've said

Re: Digital Neurology

2014-02-24 Thread David Nyman
On 24 February 2014 11:27, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: Yo David, You said somewhere you had a thought for how consciousness might be. I'm into that one at the moment so I'd be interested to hear anything you have to say. Assuming it's not secret squirrel - which if it is mazel tov geezer you go

Re: All mass and energy are just various forms of relative motion

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Craig, How do you define experiential phenomena without invoking an observer to experience them? Just something that COULD be experienced if an observer was there to experience it? In my book I define what I call Xperience as the computational alteration of any information form (information

Re: All mass and energy are just various forms of relative motion

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Craig, PS: but there do seem to be a lot of 1p perspective fanatics which amounts to pretty much the same thing. Edgar On Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:43:08 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:13:15 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Craig, Yes of course there can

Re: All mass and energy are just various forms of relative motion

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Liz, Good points! Edgar On Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:59:44 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: This seems vaguely akin to the discovery that most of the mass-energy of a proton is the binding energy holding it together. If we found that the mass of the quarks was also in fact binding energy we

Re: Digital Neurology

2014-02-24 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:05:17 PM UTC, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 11:27, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Yo David, You said somewhere you had a thought for how consciousness might be. I'm into that one at the moment so I'd be interested to hear anything you have to

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Craig, Pardon me but what does CTM stand for? Edgar On Sunday, February 23, 2014 9:55:27 AM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: This might be a more concise way of making my argument: It is my claim that CTM has overlooked the necessity to describe the method, mechanism, or arithmetic principle

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread David Nyman
On 24 February 2014 03:38, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:22:36 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 23 February 2014 19:55, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:35:33 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 23 February

Re: Digital Neurology

2014-02-24 Thread David Nyman
On 24 February 2014 13:13, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: Well, so long as you understood the sort of thing I was suggesting you had said, I think you'd probably know if you had said it, so I guess I got you mixed up. Sorry about that. But I've no idea what you are suggesting I had said. Could you

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Stathis, 1. This disproves what it sets out to prove. It assumes a RUNNING computer which assumes a flowing time. This example can't be taken seriously. If anything it's a proof that time has to flow to give the appearance of time flowing, which is the correct understanding... 2. I assume in

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Stathis, You've of course hit on the crux in your explanation, though perhaps unknowingly so. You state The me, yesterday is not me, now Yes, I agree completely. You, yourself have just stated the selection mechanism is the 'NOW' which you mention. It is the now that you are in that

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Ghibbsa, To address one of your points. My P-time theory starts by accepting EVERY part of relativity theory and adding to it rather than trying to change any part of it. If my theory is inconsistent with relativity in any respect I would consider my theory falsified. I'm not trying to

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Feb 2014, at 14:16, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Pardon me but what does CTM stand for? It is Computationalist Theory of Mind. It is another name of computationalism or comp, although usually comp refers explicitly to the very weak (logically) version of it. Usually CTM assumes that the

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, February 24, 2014 8:17:02 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 03:38, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:22:36 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 23 February 2014 19:55, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Thanks Bruno... As an advocate of a computational reality, I certainly believe that part of that universe (subsets) is computational minds, though I suspect we'd disagree about most of the rest Edgar On Monday, February 24, 2014 8:53:37 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Feb 2014,

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, February 24, 2014 8:16:00 AM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Craig, Pardon me but what does CTM stand for? Computational Theory of Mind. Someone mentioned that they are tired of the word 'Comp', and I agree. Something about it I never liked. Makes it sound friendly and natural,

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Feb 2014, at 15:55, Craig Weinberg wrote: This might be a more concise way of making my argument: It is my claim that CTM has overlooked the necessity to describe the method, mechanism, or arithmetic principle by which computations are encountered. My hypothesis, drawn from both

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Craig, All this discussion about replacing selves or brains is entirely a matter of definition, and thus pretty much a meaningless discussion. It is clear that if we could replace in EVERY last detail, that the new self would be an exact duplicate of the old self with the exact same mental

Re: All mass and energy are just various forms of relative motion

2014-02-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, February 24, 2014 8:09:35 AM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Craig, How do you define experiential phenomena without invoking an observer to experience them? The same way that I would invoke 'material phenomena' or 'energetic phenomena' without an observer to experience them. We

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Craig, I agree too. Makes it sound low brow and pop culturish, like some consumer product for housewives. But that's a good way to distinguish it from my computational reality. :-) Edgar On Monday, February 24, 2014 8:58:19 AM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, February 24, 2014

Re: Turning the tables on the doctor

2014-02-24 Thread David Nyman
On 24 February 2014 02:43, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: How do you turn your desire to move your hand into the neurological changes which move them? The neurological change is the expression of what you actually are. These primitive levels of sense are beyond the question of

Re: Digital Neurology

2014-02-24 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:19:09 PM UTC, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 13:13, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Well, so long as you understood the sort of thing I was suggesting you had said, I think you'd probably know if you had said it, so I guess I got you mixed up.

Re: Digital Neurology

2014-02-24 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:15:53 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:19:09 PM UTC, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 13:13, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: Well, so long as you understood the sort of thing I was suggesting you had said, I think you'd probably

Re: Digital Neurology

2014-02-24 Thread David Nyman
On 24 February 2014 14:22, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: I think you said something like I may have stumble [an explanation],,, Oh, well that definitely wasn't me, then. David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread David Nyman
On 24 February 2014 13:53, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I am not sure why David switched the term. Perhaps to avoid the confusion between comp and its assumptions (like John Clark does sometimes), or perhaps just to allude to the fact that it is a common theory used by most cognitive

Re: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room)

2014-02-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Feb 2014, at 02:04, chris peck wrote: Hi Liz Let's also suppose you don't know which solar system you will be sent to, and that in fact the matter transmitter is supposed to send you to A or B with equal probability based on some quantum coin flip. But by accident it duplicates

Re: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room)

2014-02-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Feb 2014, at 02:41, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 01:04, chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com wrote: This is the same as saying that I will experience all possible futures in the MWI - but by the time I experience them, of course, the version of me in each branch will be

Re: All mass and energy are just various forms of relative motion

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Craig, It's hard to understand how your view is self consistent. You still seem to be assuming some unstated observer, which you deny, by claiming pattern recognition, aesthetics, appreciation, participation must somehow precede any ontological formulation. These are all aspects of how mind

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:21:15 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 13:56, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Sure, but there is a difference between restoring damaged parts of a living person's brain and putting parts synthetic brain parts and

Re: Digital Neurology

2014-02-24 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:23:39 PM UTC, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 14:22, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I think you said something like I may have stumble [an explanation],,, Oh, well that definitely wasn't me, then. David It possibly was you but you were

Re: Turning the tables on the doctor

2014-02-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:13:26 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 02:43, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: How do you turn your desire to move your hand into the neurological changes which move them? The neurological change is the expression of what

Re: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room)

2014-02-24 Thread David Nyman
On 24 February 2014 15:50, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 24 Feb 2014, at 02:41, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 01:04, chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com wrote: *This is the same as saying that I will experience all possible futures in the MWI - but by the time I

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Feb 2014, at 15:38, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 13:53, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I am not sure why David switched the term. Perhaps to avoid the confusion between comp and its assumptions (like John Clark does sometimes), or perhaps just to allude to the fact

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread David Nyman
On 24 February 2014 16:01, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:21:15 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 13:56, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, but there is a difference between restoring damaged parts of a living person's

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:41:17 PM UTC, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Ghibbsa, To address one of your points. My P-time theory starts by accepting EVERY part of relativity theory and adding to it rather than trying to change any part of it. If my theory is inconsistent with relativity in

Re: All mass and energy are just various forms of relative motion

2014-02-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, February 24, 2014 10:56:08 AM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Craig, It's hard to understand how your view is self consistent. You still seem to be assuming some unstated observer, which you deny, by claiming pattern recognition, aesthetics, appreciation, participation must

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Feb 2014, at 14:26, Edgar L. Owen wrote: It assumes a RUNNING computer which assumes a flowing time. Not at all. you can hope that there is a physical universe capable of running a computation, but a computation is a mathematical, even arithmetical notion. The existence of any

Re: Digital Neurology

2014-02-24 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, February 24, 2014 4:03:06 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:23:39 PM UTC, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 14:22, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: I think you said something like I may have stumble [an explanation],,, Oh, well that definitely wasn't

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, February 24, 2014 11:43:28 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 16:01, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:21:15 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 13:56, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Feb 2014, at 14:57, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Thanks Bruno... As an advocate of a computational reality, I certainly believe that part of that universe (subsets) is computational minds, though I suspect we'd disagree about most of the rest You are welcome, but may be David meant

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread David Nyman
On 24 February 2014 16:42, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 24 Feb 2014, at 15:38, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 13:53, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I am not sure why David switched the term. Perhaps to avoid the confusion between comp and its assumptions (like

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Feb 2014, at 15:10, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Craig, I agree too. Makes it sound low brow and pop culturish, like some consumer product for housewives. But that's a good way to distinguish it from my computational reality. But please tell us what it is. computational is a technical

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:03:30 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Feb 2014, at 15:55, Craig Weinberg wrote: This might be a more concise way of making my argument: It is my claim that CTM has overlooked the necessity to describe the method, mechanism, or arithmetic principle by

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Ghibbsa, Nevertheless people keep accusing P-time of being inconsistent with relativity when it isn't and no one has been able to demonstrate any way that it is. Edgar On Monday, February 24, 2014 11:48:09 AM UTC-5, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:41:17 PM UTC, Edgar

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread David Nyman
On 24 February 2014 16:59, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: You seem to be answering a different question. I thought it was a direct entailment of your theory that no part of the brain could be substituted purely functionally without affecting the consciousness of the person

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Plenty of people have already demonstrated the inconsistency of your view of p-time and simultaneity... you just ignore it and play dumb. You still haven't grasped what it means to be at the same spacetime coordinate... Quentin 2014-02-24 18:14 GMT+01:00 Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net:

Re: All mass and energy are just various forms of relative motion

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Craig, This seems crazy to me at least, as it seems to assume that reality was somehow created so people could appreciate it and participate in it. To me that seems a few orders of magnitude less likely than e.g. P-time! I would turn this around and say that humans were created of the same

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
O Bruno, Bruno! First you snip my post you respond to so no one can tell that my quote applied to a very specific example given by Stathis which you snipped out, and NOT to what your quote implies it referred to. Second you once again repeat the charge I haven't explained what I mean by

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Quentin, I challenge you to show me a single inconsistency between P-time and relativity. There aren't any that I'm aware of even though Jesse has tried repeatedly he is still trying to prove the very first one (by his own admission) and hasn't succeeded so far You can't just state an

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:16:26 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 16:59, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: You seem to be answering a different question. I thought it was a direct entailment of your theory that no part of the brain could be

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
ahahah 2014-02-24 18:36 GMT+01:00 Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net: Quentin, I challenge you to show me a single inconsistency between P-time and relativity. There aren't any that I'm aware of even though Jesse has tried repeatedly he is still trying to prove the very first one (by his own

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
For your pleasure, just a little quote from yourself: If as you say, the same point in time in relativity just MEANS that two events are assigned the same time coordinate then the twins are NOT at the same point in time because the two events of their meeting have different time coordinates in

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Bruno, As I've stated on many occasions, computational reality is what computes the actual information states of the observable universe. It is what computes what science observes and measures, whatever that may be. Your comp starts with an abstract assumption without any empirical

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Bruno, PS: I have no idea what you are asking in the following question. If you make it clear I'll try to respond You did not answer my question about the relation between p-time and 1-person. If I accept an artificial brain, and that clock of that artigicial brain can be improved, I

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Quentin, As I expected you can't show us anything to make your point, and just revert to hot air... Edgar On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:39:30 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: ahahah 2014-02-24 18:36 GMT+01:00 Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.net javascript:: Quentin, I challenge you to

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Yeah yeah... you're a misundestood genius... poor guy. 2014-02-24 18:50 GMT+01:00 Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net: Quentin, As I expected you can't show us anything to make your point, and just revert to hot air... Edgar On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:39:30 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Quentin, The pitiful thing is that you don't understand that is a true statement exactly as stated. It's a comment on definitions of terminology another poster was using, rather than actual theory. Keep trying my friend, but if that is the best you can do it will take a very long time! Edgar

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
I prefer the Pasta theory of the universe... the universe is generated with pasta... My pasta universe starts with the actual observable state of the universe and works backward. That absolutely ensures that it is correct by definition even before we might know what all of those actual pastas are

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Quentin, Certainly you clearly CAN'T understand very much of anything, certainly not my theory. You demonstrate your lack of comprehension by being unable to even spell misunderstood correctly! :-) Edgar On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:53:12 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Yeah yeah...

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Yes, you didn't know proper time and coordinate time, and now you're mastering it... you're the best joke of the internet... you should open a circus. Quentin 2014-02-24 18:56 GMT+01:00 Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net: Quentin, The pitiful thing is that you don't understand that is a true

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
écris donc en français et on en discute... 2014-02-24 18:58 GMT+01:00 Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net: Quentin, Certainly you clearly CAN'T understand very much of anything, certainly not my theory. You demonstrate your lack of comprehension by being unable to even spell misunderstood

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Quentin, The typical adolescent response of someone unable to even understand the post he is responding to. Edgar On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:57:17 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: I prefer the Pasta theory of the universe... the universe is generated with pasta... My pasta universe

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
blablabla... genius. 2014-02-24 19:01 GMT+01:00 Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net: Quentin, The typical adolescent response of someone unable to even understand the post he is responding to. Edgar On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:57:17 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: I prefer the

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, February 24, 2014 3:38:40 AM UTC, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:22:36 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 23 February 2014 19:55, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:35:33 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 23 February

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread David Nyman
On 24 February 2014 17:38, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: No, that's the point of the analogy, so you can see for yourself why the question is not reasonable. The question posed over and over to me here has been some variation of this same But if the world didn't work the way that

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Quentin, Even if that were true, and it's not, it doesn't even address your contention my theory is inconsistent with relativity, which remains unproved and simply an unfounded opinion on your part. Perhaps you are trying to change the subject because you can't prove your original contention?

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Quentin, Again you confirm my contention, and confirm your inability to state any inconsistency between P-time and relativity whatsoever. You can blubber forever and that will remain the same... Edgar On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:05:01 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: blablabla... genius.

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread David Nyman
On 24 February 2014 17:41, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, it would be possible to have part of your brain removed and not be aware of any difference also - my point though is, 'so what?' You can be dead and not know the difference either, presumably. Are you making some

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-24 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: There are many reasons why nuclear power is dead in the water. I think the main reason is that reactors got too big too fast and their design has been frozen for nearly half a century. They found a nuclear reactor

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Just first, explain what p-time is supposed to solve in the first place that relativity doesn't. (if you come back again with the possibility for the twins to meet up, relativity doesn't need p-time for that, so you should find a real problem p-time solve that relativity alone can't). Then answer

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, February 24, 2014 5:14:20 PM UTC, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Ghibbsa, Nevertheless people keep accusing P-time of being inconsistent with relativity when it isn't and no one has been able to demonstrate any way that it is. Edgar Well, I can put hand on heart I have no

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, February 24, 2014 5:14:20 PM UTC, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Ghibbsa, Nevertheless people keep accusing P-time of being inconsistent with relativity when it isn't and no one has been able to demonstrate any way that it is. Edgar Well, I can put hand on heart I have no personal

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:10:03 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 17:38, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: No, that's the point of the analogy, so you can see for yourself why the question is not reasonable. The question posed over and over to me

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-24 20:02 GMT+01:00 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com: On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:10:03 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 17:38, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: No, that's the point of the analogy, so you can see for yourself why the question is not

Re: All mass and energy are just various forms of relative motion

2014-02-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:21:59 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Craig, This seems crazy to me at least, as it seems to assume that reality was somehow created so people could appreciate it and participate in it. That would be crazy, but no, you are forgetting that nothing that I am

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:06:24 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-02-24 20:02 GMT+01:00 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: : On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:10:03 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 17:38, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: No,

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 7:24 AM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Jesse, Let me make sure I understand what you are saying. You say we can drop an arbitrary coordinate system onto spacetime, and then we can place an originally synchronized clock at every grid intersection. Is that

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread David Nyman
On 24 February 2014 19:02, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:10:03 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 17:38, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: No, that's the point of the analogy, so you can see for yourself why the question is

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-24 20:24 GMT+01:00 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com: On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:06:24 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-02-24 20:02 GMT+01:00 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com: On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:10:03 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, February 24, 2014 7:55:35 PM UTC, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 19:02, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:10:03 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 17:38, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: No,

Re: Turning the tables on the doctor

2014-02-24 Thread David Nyman
On 24 February 2014 16:31, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:13:26 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 02:43, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: How do you turn your desire to move your hand into the neurological changes which

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread David Nyman
On 24 February 2014 20:15, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: MHO the stage for bickering comes after a lot of this goes down. Prematurally, you've got a virtual cast iron guar antee, however long this runs, it's endings will the familiar territory, in line with all the other instances you participated

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, February 24, 2014 3:11:47 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-02-24 20:24 GMT+01:00 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: : On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:06:24 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-02-24 20:02 GMT+01:00 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com:

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread LizR
The point Edgar seems to be missing vis-a-vis block universes is that, whether correct or not, they explain our experience of time. Otherwise Einstein, Weyl, Minkowski etc would have dismissed the idea of space-time out of hand, instead of embracing it as a replacement for the Newtonian paradigm

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-24 Thread LizR
Solar cells are getting cheaper and easier to use (e.g. flexible plastic ones). It should be possible to stick them anywhere you want, e.g. on buildings or cars. This would mean at least some solar power could be harvested using existing infrastructure. As usual the technology is there, or almost

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread LizR
Bless your noddly appendages. On 25 February 2014 06:57, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: I prefer the Pasta theory of the universe... the universe is generated with pasta... My pasta universe starts with the actual observable state of the universe and works backward. That

Re: Turning the tables on the doctor

2014-02-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, February 24, 2014 3:32:03 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 16:31, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:13:26 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 02:43, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: How

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread LizR
On 25 February 2014 06:57, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: My pasta theory conforms to standard scientific method in this respect while yours does not. Tch. You've got a sauce. PS bless your noodly appendages! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread LizR
2014-02-24 19:01 GMT+01:00 Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net: Quentin, The typical adolescent response of someone unable to even understand the post he is responding to. For some reason my irony meter just exploded. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: Digital Neurology

2014-02-24 Thread LizR
On 25 February 2014 05:53, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: Now, 24 years later, there has been no improvement in our understanding, no progress whatsoever in these fundamental issues of consciousness. I think that I may actually have stumbled on the real improvement, but it's going to take a long

Re: Edge.org: 2014 : WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? The Computational Metaphor

2014-02-24 Thread LizR
On 25 February 2014 01:57, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: MWI cannot be falsified in the Popperian sense because all scientific experiments are necessarily limited to one world. Yet MWI is central to asking the doctor. But there is no scientific experiment that verifies MWI.

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread spudboy100
Pasta with meatballs and the meat balls are higher dimensional energy fields and the tomato sauce is the rolling tide of higgs singlets reacting with all. -Original Message- From: Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Feb

Re: MODAL 5 (was Re: Better Than the Chinese Room)

2014-02-24 Thread LizR
On 24 February 2014 07:57, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: About [](A - B) - ([]A - []B), let me ask you a more precise exercise. Convince yourself that this formula is true in all worlds, of all Kripke multiverses, with any illumination. Hint: you might try a reductio ad absurdum.

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