On 29 Mar 2013, at 13:14, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, March 29, 2013 6:21:59 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Mar 2013, at 20:15, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, March 28, 2013 10:41:22 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Mar 2013, at 17:53, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On
On 29 Mar 2013, at 13:44, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, March 29, 2013 5:41:19 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Mar 2013, at 18:59, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/28/2013 7:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Intelligence, in my opinion is rather easy too. It is a question of
abstract
On 30 Mar 2013, at 02:13, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, March 29, 2013 1:59:44 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Mar 2013, at 16:02, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, March 29, 2013 10:47:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Mar 2013, at 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
On Saturday, March 30, 2013 7:01:47 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Mar 2013, at 13:14, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, March 29, 2013 6:21:59 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Mar 2013, at 20:15, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, March 28, 2013 10:41:22 AM UTC-4, Bruno
On 28 Mar 2013, at 18:58, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/28/2013 7:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
And if we decide the Mars Rover is conscious, can any test prove
us wrong?
Yes. But it is longer to explain than for comp. Strong AI is
refutable in a weaker sense than comp. The refutation here are
On 28 Mar 2013, at 18:59, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/28/2013 7:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Intelligence, in my opinion is rather easy too. It is a question of
abstract thermodynamic, intelligence is when you get enough heat
while young, something like that. It is close to courage, and it is
2013/3/29 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
On 28 Mar 2013, at 18:59, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/28/2013 7:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Intelligence, in my opinion is rather easy too. It is a question of
abstract thermodynamic, intelligence is when you get enough heat while
young, something like
On 28 Mar 2013, at 19:01, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 28 Mar 2013, at 16:08, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Bruno Marchal
marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 26 Mar 2013, at 18:19, meekerdb wrote:
On 28 Mar 2013, at 20:15, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, March 28, 2013 10:41:22 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Mar 2013, at 17:53, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:13:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Mar 2013, at 13:35, Craig Weinberg wrote:
It is
On Friday, March 29, 2013 6:21:59 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Mar 2013, at 20:15, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, March 28, 2013 10:41:22 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Mar 2013, at 17:53, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:13:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno
On Friday, March 29, 2013 5:41:19 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Mar 2013, at 18:59, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/28/2013 7:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Intelligence, in my opinion is rather easy too. It is a question of
abstract thermodynamic, intelligence is when you get enough
On 29 Mar 2013, at 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/3/29 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
On 28 Mar 2013, at 18:59, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/28/2013 7:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Intelligence, in my opinion is rather easy too. It is a question of
abstract thermodynamic, intelligence is when
On Friday, March 29, 2013 10:47:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Mar 2013, at 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/3/29 Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be javascript:
On 28 Mar 2013, at 18:59, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/28/2013 7:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Intelligence, in my opinion
2013/3/29 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
On 29 Mar 2013, at 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/3/29 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
On 28 Mar 2013, at 18:59, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/28/2013 7:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Intelligence, in my opinion is rather easy too. It is a question
On 29 Mar 2013, at 16:04, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/3/29 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
On 29 Mar 2013, at 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/3/29 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
On 28 Mar 2013, at 18:59, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/28/2013 7:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Intelligence, in
On 29 Mar 2013, at 16:02, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, March 29, 2013 10:47:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Mar 2013, at 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/3/29 Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be
On 28 Mar 2013, at 18:59, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/28/2013 7:52 AM, Bruno Marchal
On Friday, March 29, 2013 1:59:44 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Mar 2013, at 16:02, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, March 29, 2013 10:47:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Mar 2013, at 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/3/29 Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be
On 28 Mar
On 26 Mar 2013, at 18:19, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/26/2013 4:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I can explain why if a machine can have experience and enough
reflexivity, then the machine can already understand that she
cannot justify rationally the presence of its experience. No
machine, nor us,
On 26 Mar 2013, at 18:33, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/26/2013 7:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
It is a bit what happens, please study the theory. Qualia are
useful to accelerate information processing, and the integration of
that processing in a person. And they are unavoidable for machines
in
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 26 Mar 2013, at 18:19, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/26/2013 4:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I can explain why if a machine can have experience and enough reflexivity,
then the machine can already understand that she cannot
On 28 Mar 2013, at 16:08, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 26 Mar 2013, at 18:19, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/26/2013 4:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I can explain why if a machine can have experience and enough
reflexivity,
then
On 3/28/2013 7:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Intelligence, in my opinion is rather easy too. It is a question of abstract
thermodynamic, intelligence is when you get enough heat while young, something like
that. It is close to courage, and it is what make competence possible.
??
Competence
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 28 Mar 2013, at 16:08, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 26 Mar 2013, at 18:19, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/26/2013 4:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I can
On 26 Mar 2013, at 13:35, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 7:21:39 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 25 Mar 2013, at 19:35, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Monday, March 25, 2013 1:25:30 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 25 Mar 2013, at 14:02, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On
On 3/26/2013 7:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
It is a bit what happens, please study the theory. Qualia are useful to accelerate
information processing, and the integration of that processing in a person. And they are
unavoidable for machines in rich and statistically stable universal relations
On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:33:11 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/26/2013 7:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
It is a bit what happens, please study the theory. Qualia are useful to
accelerate information processing, and the integration of that processing
in a person. And they are unavoidable
On 24 Mar 2013, at 20:25, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:44:01 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Mar 2013, at 12:53, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:13:27 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 21 Mar 2013, at 18:44, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On
On Monday, March 25, 2013 6:26:00 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Mar 2013, at 20:25, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:44:01 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Mar 2013, at 12:53, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:13:27 AM UTC-4, Bruno
On 25 Mar 2013, at 14:02, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Monday, March 25, 2013 6:26:00 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Mar 2013, at 20:25, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:44:01 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Mar 2013, at 12:53, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On
On Monday, March 25, 2013 1:25:30 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 25 Mar 2013, at 14:02, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Monday, March 25, 2013 6:26:00 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Mar 2013, at 20:25, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:44:01 PM UTC-4, Bruno
On 21 Mar 2013, at 18:44, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:28:24 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Mar 2013, at 19:16, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
We are examining the activity in the cerebral cortex as a
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:13:27 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 21 Mar 2013, at 18:44, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:28:24 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Mar 2013, at 19:16, Craig Weinberg wrote:
John,
On 22 Mar 2013, at 21:27, John Mikes wrote:
I tried to find FOAR - but failed. You kindly advised to 'show me
how' get subscribed, but it was missing from your post.
Could you repeat it?
You might try this:
To post to this group, send email to f...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this
On 24 Mar 2013, at 12:53, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:13:27 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 21 Mar 2013, at 18:44, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:28:24 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Mar 2013, at 19:16, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:44:01 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Mar 2013, at 12:53, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:13:27 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 21 Mar 2013, at 18:44, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:28:24 PM UTC-4, Bruno
On 3/24/2013 3:25 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:44:01 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Mar 2013, at 12:53, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:13:27 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 21 Mar 2013, at 18:44, Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:15:53 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 3/24/2013 3:25 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:44:01 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Mar 2013, at 12:53, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:13:27 AM UTC-4, Bruno
On 3/24/2013 8:00 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:15:53 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 3/24/2013 3:25 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:44:01 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Mar 2013, at 12:53, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:05:45 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 3/24/2013 8:00 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:15:53 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 3/24/2013 3:25 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:44:01 PM UTC-4,
Hi John,
On 21 Mar 2013, at 21:40, John Mikes wrote:
Dear Bruno,
it is so fascinating to read about universal machines.
Is there a place where I could learn in short, understandable terms
what they may be? Then again the difference between a 'Turing
machine' and a 'physical computer'
I tried to find FOAR - but failed. You kindly advised to 'show me how' get
subscribed, but it was missing from your post.
Could you repeat it?
John M
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Hi John,
On 21 Mar 2013, at 21:40, John Mikes wrote:
Dear Bruno,
it
On 20 Mar 2013, at 19:16, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
We are examining the activity in the cerebral cortex as a whole.
The brain is a non-stop, always-active system. When we perceive
something, the information does not end up in a
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:28:24 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Mar 2013, at 19:16, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
We are examining the activity in the cerebral cortex *as a whole*. The
brain is a non-stop, always-active
Dear Bruno,
it is so fascinating to read about universal machines.
Is there a place where I could learn in short, understandable terms what
they may be? Then again the difference between a 'Turing machine' and a
'physical computer' (what I usually call our embryonic Kraxlwerk).
I grew up into my
On 3/21/2013 4:40 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Dear Bruno,
it is so fascinating to read about universal machines.
Is there a place where I could learn in short, understandable terms
what they may be? Then again the difference between a 'Turing machine'
and a 'physical computer' (what I usually call
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
We are examining the activity in the cerebral cortex *as a whole*. The
brain is a non-stop, always-active system. When we perceive something, the
information does not end up in a specific *part* of our brain. Rather, it
is added to
On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
We are examining the activity in the cerebral cortex /as a whole/. The brain is a
non-stop, always-active system. When we perceive something, the information does not end
up in a
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07:10 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
We are examining the activity in the cerebral cortex *as a whole*. The
brain is a non-stop, always-active system. When
On 3/20/2013 4:29 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07:10 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
On 3/20/2013 1:29 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07:10 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
We
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 5:30:58 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 3/20/2013 4:29 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07:10 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 6:11:18 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/20/2013 1:29 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07:10 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
We are
On 3/20/2013 2:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 3/20/2013 4:07 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
We are examining the activity in the cerebral cortex /as a whole/. The brain is a
non-stop,
On 3/20/2013 3:31 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 6:11:18 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/20/2013 1:29 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07:10 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On 3/20/2013 6:37 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/20/2013 2:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 3/20/2013 4:07 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
We are examining the activity in the cerebral cortex /as a
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 6:52:20 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 3/20/2013 6:20 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 5:30:58 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 3/20/2013 4:29 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07:10 PM
On 3/20/2013 6:32 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 3/20/2013 6:37 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/20/2013 2:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 3/20/2013 4:07 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
We are examining
On 3/20/2013 9:41 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/20/2013 6:32 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 3/20/2013 6:37 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/20/2013 2:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
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