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On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 09:05:27PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > That is an assumption. There are proposed cosmologies that allow for > an infinite number of computational steps to occur - IIRC, the "big > rip" is one such. > > > I don't think so -- the "big rip" would simple tear

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On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 6:00 PM Russell Standish wrote: > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 05:11:20PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 4:45 PM Russell Standish > wrote: > > > > > > > > That remains to be proved. Church-Turing is about calculable > numbers, not about > >

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On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 05:11:20PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 4:45 PM Russell Standish > wrote: > > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 04:12:00PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 10:27 AM Russell Standish > > > wrote: > > > >     On

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On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 4:45 PM Russell Standish wrote: > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 04:12:00PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 10:27 AM Russell Standish > > > wrote: > > > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:47:36PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > > On Fri, May 17, 2019

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On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 04:12:00PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 10:27 AM Russell Standish > wrote: > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:47:36PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:14 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > >     On 16 May 2019,

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On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 10:27 AM Russell Standish wrote: > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:47:36PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:14 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > > On 16 May 2019, at 03:27, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:59 AM

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On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 7:27:53 PM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote: > > > Bruno's work does not address this ultrafinitist case, as the CT > thesis is an explicit assumption. Except that the Movie Graph Argument > is supposedly about that case. > > Cheers > > Re:The Movie Graph Argument

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On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:47:36PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:14 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 16 May 2019, at 03:27, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:59 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > The first order theory of

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On 5/17/2019 5:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 May 2019, at 01:40, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 5/15/2019 9:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 May 2019, at 23:46, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 5/13/2019 8:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: But then what is

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On 5/17/2019 5:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 May 2019, at 01:28, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 5/15/2019 8:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Mathematical logic distinguish well the name of a thing and the thing itself. You confuse “0” and 0. Also, when you say that

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On 5/17/2019 3:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: It's a matter of equivocating on "the natural numbers".  If you regard them as a theory of things, the way you learn them at your mother's knee, then there are objective truths "Two garbanzo beans plus two chick peas make four beans." the way

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ith physical brother mathematical notion of multiverse remains to be done by the future generations. It is  complex subject.  Bruno -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list Sent: Wed, May 15, 2019 11:31 am Subject: Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon On

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On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:14 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 16 May 2019, at 03:27, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:59 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > The first order theory of the real numbers does not require arithmetical >> realism, but the same theory + the trigonometrical

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niverse, but many, many, "domains," which, for me, is the same >>> thing as Everett's-Deutsch's-Tegmark's multiverses. I am not sure if all >>> domains followed the identical laws, or varied, or..? >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> F

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me >> thing as Everett's-Deutsch's-Tegmark's multiverses. I am not sure if all >> domains followed the identical laws, or varied, or..? >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> >> To: everything-list > &

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o compare with physical brother mathematical notion of multiverse remains to be done by the future generations. It is complex subject. Bruno > > > -Original Message- > From: Bruno Marchal > To: everything-list > Sent: Wed, May 15, 2019 11:31 am > Subject: R

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> On 16 May 2019, at 03:42, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 2:18 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 14 May 2019, at 01:27, Bruce Kellett > wrote: >> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:19 AM Telmo Menezes >

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> On 16 May 2019, at 03:27, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:59 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 11 May 2019, at 01:02, Bruce Kellett > wrote: >> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 11:42 PM Jason Resch >

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> On 16 May 2019, at 01:40, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/15/2019 9:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 13 May 2019, at 23:46, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/13/2019 8:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: But then what is

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> On 16 May 2019, at 01:28, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/15/2019 8:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Mathematical logic distinguish well the name of a thing and the thing >> itself. You confuse “0” and 0. >> >> Also, when you say that something does not exist, you

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> On 16 May 2019, at 01:25, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/15/2019 8:15 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> Nothing is wrong, except that you are using a different notion of "real". >> Integers are invented by humans, even though there is intersubjective >> agreement about

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> On 16 May 2019, at 01:20, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/15/2019 7:39 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:29 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> >> >> On 5/14/2019 9:49 AM,

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> On 15 May 2019, at 19:50, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 10:31:37 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 13 May 2019, at 08:55, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > There is no settled "truth" in mathematics. > > For example (as Hamkins shows) the CH is true in one

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On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:15 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 15 May 2019, at 13:18, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 5:50 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 10 May 2019, at 15:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:51 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> >>> That is

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> On 15 May 2019, at 16:26, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 5:17 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > > > On 5/14/2019 2:33 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 3:47 PM 'Brent Meeker' via

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> On 15 May 2019, at 13:18, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 5:50 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 10 May 2019, at 15:16, Bruce Kellett > wrote: >> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:51 PM Bruno Marchal > >

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> On 15 May 2019, at 08:28, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 7:29:07 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > On 5/14/2019 9:49 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> What is truth? (Pontus Pilate). Arithmetical statements are true if they are >> theorems derived from the axioms. >> >>

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> On 15 May 2019, at 03:30, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 2:49 AM Jason Resch > wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 6:06 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 1:50 AM Jason Resch

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> On 15 May 2019, at 02:29, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/14/2019 9:49 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> What is truth? (Pontus Pilate). Arithmetical statements are true if they are >> theorems derived from the axioms. >> >> This is false. In every consistent system of

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> On 15 May 2019, at 01:14, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/14/2019 1:20 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, May 14, 2019, at 00:55, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 5/13/2019 4:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: 3) Or maybe it's "what

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> On 15 May 2019, at 00:17, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/14/2019 2:33 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 3:47 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> >> >> On 5/14/2019 9:10 AM,

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On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 1:56:05 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: > > > > There is plenty of evidence, informally known as "the unreasonable > effectiveness of math". > As *Max Tegmark* points out, all of our scientific theories (he was talking about physics, checked out on computers) do not need

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On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 4:56 PM Telmo Menezes wrote: > On Sat, May 11, 2019, at 00:02, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 11:42 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:16 AM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > > Then with mechanism, we get the many-histories from a simple fact

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On Sat, May 11, 2019, at 00:02, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 11:42 PM Jason Resch wrote: >> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:16 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> Then with mechanism, we get the many-histories from a simple fact to prove: all computations are realised in all

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On 5/16/2019 12:10 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 7:25 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 5/15/2019 8:15 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Nothing is wrong, except that you are using a different notion of

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On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 7:25 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 5/15/2019 8:15 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > Nothing is wrong, except that you are using a different notion of "real". >> Integers are invented by humans, even though there is

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 7:20 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 5/15/2019 7:39 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:29 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On

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> On 14 May 2019, at 22:47, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/14/2019 9:10 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 4:46 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> >> >> On 5/13/2019 8:50 AM,

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On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 6:45:43 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 14 May 2019, at 01:54, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > > On 5/13/2019 4:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > 3) Or maybe it's "what the brain does", as many physicalists

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am not sure if all domains followed the identical laws, or varied, or..? -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> To: everything-list <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> Sent: Wed, May 15, 2019 11:31 am Subject: Re: My book "I Am" publish

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riginal Message- > From: Bruno Marchal > To: everything-list > Sent: Wed, May 15, 2019 11:31 am > Subject: Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon > > >> On 13 May 2019, at 08:55, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, May 12, 201

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On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 2:18 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 14 May 2019, at 01:27, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:19 AM Telmo Menezes > wrote: > >> On Mon, May 13, 2019, at 22:36, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: >> >> On 5/13/2019 6:11 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >>

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On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:59 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 11 May 2019, at 01:02, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 11:42 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:16 AM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Then with mechanism, we get the many-histories from a simple

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On 5/15/2019 9:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 May 2019, at 23:46, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 5/13/2019 8:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: But then what is arithmetical truth? We have no label for it. It cannot be derived from or defined by labels. And it depends on the

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On 5/15/2019 8:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Mathematical logic distinguish well the name of a thing and the thing itself. You confuse “0” and 0. Also, when you say that something does not exist, you might give us your metaphysical axioms. Taken literarily, what you say is like saying that

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/15/2019 8:15 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Nothing is wrong, except that you are using a different notion of "real". Integers are invented by humans, even though there is intersubjective agreement about them. I would say we invented theories (axioms) to study them, but that the

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On 5/15/2019 7:39 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:29 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 5/14/2019 9:49 AM, Jason Resch wrote: What is truth? (Pontus Pilate). Arithmetical statements are true

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On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 11:06:59 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 14 May 2019, at 00:11, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > in which we can interpret the proposition. “2+2=4” is true if it is the > case that 2 + 2 = 4. > > > Semantics is a big deal in programming language theory. >

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On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 10:31:37 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 13 May 2019, at 08:55, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > There is no settled "truth" in mathematics. > > For example (as Hamkins shows) the CH is true in one dialect (of set > theory) and false in another. > > > That

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> On 14 May 2019, at 02:04, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/13/2019 4:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> It is Bruce who accuses Platonism of being a failure, even though he is not >> able to name any point where physicalism succeeds and Platonism fails. It >> goes

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> On 14 May 2019, at 01:54, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/13/2019 4:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> 3) Or maybe it's "what the brain does", as many physicalists like to say. My >> body as mass, because the atoms that make up my body amount to that mass. >> What

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> On 14 May 2019, at 01:27, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:19 AM Telmo Menezes > wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2019, at 22:36, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: >> On 5/13/2019 6:11 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> >>> Physicalism fails to

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> On 14 May 2019, at 00:11, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 4:36:18 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > On 5/13/2019 6:11 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> Physicalism fails to account for consciousness. This is the worst possible >> failure I can imagine, given that

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> On 13 May 2019, at 23:46, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/13/2019 8:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> But then what is arithmetical truth? We have no label for it. It cannot be >> derived from or defined by labels. > > And it depends on the model. Which is why it's

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> On 13 May 2019, at 23:36, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/13/2019 6:11 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> >> On 13. May 2019, at 05:19, Bruce Kellett > > wrote: >> >>> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 2:00 PM Jason Resch >>

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--Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list Sent: Wed, May 15, 2019 11:31 am Subject: Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon On 13 May 2019, at 08:55, Philip Thrift wrote: On Sunday, May 12, 2019 at 9:40:12 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote: Incompleteness disproves nomin

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> On 13 May 2019, at 08:19, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 3:49 PM Jason Resch > wrote: > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 11:20 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 2:00 PM Jason Resch

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> On 13 May 2019, at 08:55, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, May 12, 2019 at 9:40:12 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote: > > > > > Incompleteness disproves nominalism. Arithmetical truth was proven not only > to be not human defined, but to be not human definable. > > > > (This is

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> On 13 May 2019, at 04:52, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 12:40 PM Jason Resch > wrote: > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 9:04 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > From: Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> >> On Fri, May

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On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 8:30 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 2:49 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 6:06 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 1:50 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> >> Most scientists would say quarks are real, because

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> On 12 May 2019, at 00:38, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/8/2019 11:28 PM, smitra wrote: >> On 08-05-2019 21:55, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: >>> On 5/5/2019 7:06 PM, smitra wrote: Or perhaps it's a mistake to attribute consciousness to

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> On 11 May 2019, at 01:02, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 11:42 PM Jason Resch > wrote: > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:16 AM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > Then with mechanism, we get the many-histories from a simple fact

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> On 11 May 2019, at 00:30, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 12:24:56PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Wittgenstein is sum up with his “what we cannot talk about should not be >> talked >> about”, but that is self-defeating (What are you talking about Mr >>

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On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:29 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 5/14/2019 9:49 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > What is truth? (Pontus Pilate). Arithmetical statements are true if they >> are theorems derived from the axioms. >> > > This is false.

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> On 10 May 2019, at 18:48, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 6:25 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > >> Turing was interested in intelligence and, being a scientist, he knew he > >> couldn't say anything about consciousness unless he made the assumption >

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On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 6:14 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 2:49 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 6:06 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 1:50 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> But then what is arithmetical truth? We have no

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On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 5:17 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 5/14/2019 2:33 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 3:47 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On

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On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 5:50 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 10 May 2019, at 15:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:51 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> That is impossible. The first person plural is when two persons enter the >> annihilation box. They will share the

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> On 10 May 2019, at 15:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:51 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 7 May 2019, at 01:04, Bruce Kellett > wrote: >> On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 7:02 AM Jason Resch > >

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On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 7:29:07 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/14/2019 9:49 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > What is truth? (Pontus Pilate). Arithmetical statements are true if they >> are theorems derived from the axioms. >> > > This is false. In every consistent system of axioms there are

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On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 2:49 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 6:06 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 1:50 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> > >>> Most scientists would say quarks are real, because they are part of >>> successful theories which have explanatory power.

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On 5/14/2019 9:49 AM, Jason Resch wrote: What is truth? (Pontus Pilate). Arithmetical statements are true if they are theorems derived from the axioms. This is false. In every consistent system of axioms there are statements that are true but cannot be derived from the axioms.

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On 5/14/2019 1:20 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, May 14, 2019, at 00:55, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 5/13/2019 4:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: 3) Or maybe it's "what the brain does", as many physicalists like to say. My body as mass, because the atoms that make up my

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On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 2:49 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 6:06 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 1:50 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> >>> But then what is arithmetical truth? We have no label for it. It cannot >>> be derived from or defined by labels. >>>

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On 5/14/2019 2:33 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 3:47 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 5/14/2019 9:10 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 4:46 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

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On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 3:47 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 5/14/2019 9:10 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 4:46 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On

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On 5/14/2019 9:10 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 4:46 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 5/13/2019 8:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > But then what is arithmetical truth? We have no label for it. It > cannot

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On Tue, May 14, 2019, at 00:55, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > > > On 5/13/2019 4:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> 3) Or maybe it's "what the brain does", as many physicalists like to say. My >> body as mass, because the atoms that make up my body amount to that mass. >> What

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On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 12:52:54 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/13/2019 11:22 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 12:14:48 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 6:55:03 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> The physical model that says

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On 5/13/2019 11:22 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 12:14:48 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 6:55:03 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: The physical model that says consciousness is the brain processing information by neuron's firing

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On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 6:06 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 1:50 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 7:45 AM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> >>> I am not sure I have the time to delve into Muller's paper to find out >>> his reasons. He is clearly misguided,

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On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 4:46 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 5/13/2019 8:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > But then what is arithmetical truth? We have no label for it. It > > cannot be derived from or defined by labels. > > And it depends on

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On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 1:18:39 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/13/2019 10:14 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 6:55:03 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > The physical model that says consciousness is the brain processing >> information by neuron's firing at

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On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 12:14:48 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 6:55:03 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > The physical model that says consciousness is the brain processing >> information by neuron's firing at synapses...a very successful model. >> > > >>

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On 5/13/2019 10:18 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 7:04:14 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 5/13/2019 4:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > It is Bruce who accuses Platonism of being a failure, even though he > is not able to name any point where physicalism

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On 5/13/2019 10:14 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 6:55:03 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: The physical model that says consciousness is the brain processing information by neuron's firing at synapses...a very successful model. Brent I completely missed the news

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On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 7:04:14 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/13/2019 4:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > It is Bruce who accuses Platonism of being a failure, even though he > > is not able to name any point where physicalism succeeds and Platonism > > fails. It goes without saying

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On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 6:55:03 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: The physical model that says consciousness is the brain processing > information by neuron's firing at synapses...a very successful model. > > Brent > I completely missed the news of that success, explicitly stating: "a very

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On 5/13/2019 4:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: It is Bruce who accuses Platonism of being a failure, even though he is not able to name any point where physicalism succeeds and Platonism fails. It goes without saying that all of modern science is compatible with Platonism. Because Platonism

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On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:55 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 5/13/2019 4:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > 3) Or maybe it's "what the brain does", as many physicalists like to say. > My body as mass, because the atoms that make up my body amount

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On 5/13/2019 4:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: 3) Or maybe it's "what the brain does", as many physicalists like to say. My body as mass, because the atoms that make up my body amount to that mass. What amounts to my consciousness? What are the building blocks? There is no accounting, there is

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On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:19 AM Telmo Menezes wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2019, at 22:36, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > > On 5/13/2019 6:11 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > Physicalism fails to account for consciousness. This is the worst possible > failure I can imagine, given that

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On Mon, May 13, 2019, at 22:36, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > > > On 5/13/2019 6:11 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> >> On 13. May 2019, at 05:19, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >>> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 2:00 PM Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 9:52 PM Bruce

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On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 1:50 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 7:45 AM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> >> I am not sure I have the time to delve into Muller's paper to find out >> his reasons. He is clearly misguided, because there are many viable >> cosmological theories that do not

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On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 4:36:18 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/13/2019 6:11 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > Physicalism fails to account for consciousness. This is the worst possible > failure I can imagine, given that consciousness is the only thing I can be > certain to exist. > > > I

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On 5/13/2019 8:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: But then what is arithmetical truth? We have no label for it. It cannot be derived from or defined by labels. And it depends on the model.  Which is why it's undefinable within the system.  And also why it's not the same as the "true" in "It is true

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On 5/13/2019 6:11 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On 13. May 2019, at 05:19, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 2:00 PM Jason Resch > wrote: On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 9:52 PM Bruce Kellett

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On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 7:45 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 5:42 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 1:20 AM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 3:49 PM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 11:20 PM Bruce Kellett

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On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 3:11:41 PM UTC+2, telmo wrote: > > > > > On 13. May 2019, at 05:19, Bruce Kellett > > wrote: > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 2:00 PM Jason Resch > wrote: > >> On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 9:52 PM Bruce Kellett > > wrote: >> >>> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 12:40 PM Jason Resch >>

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> On 13. May 2019, at 05:19, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 2:00 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >>> On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 9:52 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 12:40 PM Jason Resch wrote: >>> > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 9:04 PM Bruce Kellett

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