Re: "humans are machines unable to recognize the fact that they are machines,"

Hey Craig, What is the origin of the quote? Also, what privileges the process of 'introspection' to reveal anything contrary to the hypothesis that we are machines? Isn't introspection a bit of a dubious test for finding out a thing's machinehood? Finally, I'm not so sure that it is 'consciou

Dear Edgar Owen

Might I respectfully suggest the following: 1) That when you have an "obvious" intuition or brilliant stroke of insight that goes against a century or more of insight from the most distinguished physicists and 2) That when you are unable to operationalize your intuition in such a way that othe

Re: Another stab at the universal present moment - a gedanken..

In order for criticism to be effective, the one being criticized must be willing to see his errors, something I think you have long ago given up. I'm afraid there is no help for you, my friend. On Sunday, December 29, 2013 6:11:59 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > Richard, > > It is true I ent

Re: Another stab at the universal present moment - a gedanken..

ALL HAIL TIME CUBE!! <http://www.timecube.com/> On Sunday, December 29, 2013 6:35:10 PM UTC-5, freqflyer07281972 wrote: > > In order for criticism to be effective, the one being criticized must be > willing to see his errors, something I think you have long ago given up. > >

Re: Another stab at the universal present moment - a gedanken..

Far from it, really;-) I assure you, I wish you no burning at any stakes, whether literal or figurative. You are perfectly entitled to be as incorrect as you wish, especially in an area as solidly established as relativistic physics. It's just that (a ma parte, at least), I feel a bit bad for y

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

Haha! Ya Liz, I think your point is very well taken. On my part, I am finding it infinitely amusing that a guy who is so obviously self-deluded and unable to grok any of the most basic criticisms of his "theory" from the many textbook gedanken experiments so compassionately offered by people (

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > Dear Flyer, > > You must be hard up for entertainment. Perhaps you should try watching the > Matrix one more time with popcorn or try contributing something meaningful > to the discussion? > :-) > > Edgar > > > > On Monday, January 13,

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 8:24:31 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > Jason, > > There are no 'synthetic neurons' that could replace biological ones "one > by one". When there are let me know and I'll check them out and answer > your question. > > You are letting your imagination run wild he

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

l neurons one by one". > > Send me a few links referencing that being possible please > :-) > > Edgar > > > > On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 8:51:13 PM UTC-5, freqflyer07281972 wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 8:24:31 PM UTC-5, Edgar

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

Also, I am really starting to understand why you have difficulty with finding a life partner. On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 9:02:30 PM UTC-5, freqflyer07281972 wrote: > > OK. > > http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/adfm.201200640/abstract > > > > On Tuesday, Jan

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

rote: > > Freq, > > But I have a life partner, a truly wonderful one. > > You? > > Edgar > > On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 9:03:55 PM UTC-5, freqflyer07281972 wrote: >> >> Also, I am really starting to understand why you have difficulty with >> fin

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

P.S. for Liz: TAKE NOTE! While you might be out of the running to be Edgar's companion, perhaps you might know some "non-feminist" women who could be? On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 9:26:02 PM UTC-5, freqflyer07281972 wrote: > > *"SEEKING A COMPATIBLE WOMAN OR LONG TERM

Edgar, Personal Attacks, and the Real Consequences of Comp

Hey everyone, I'm starting a new topic here so as not to derail any conversations on other threads -- the original thread I am commenting on seems to have some interesting stuff about computer simulations etc. and I don't want to bother others about it. Edgar has repeatedly posted links to bo

Re: Edgar, Personal Attacks, and the Real Consequences of Comp

cized my lack of immediate response on several occasions but I > at least do have a real life apart from this group!) > > So your claim that "Edgar REPEATEDLY posted links to both his business and > personal website" is simply FALSE. I posted only one link period. > &g

Re: Edgar, Personal Attacks, and the Real Consequences of Comp

Wow, Liz, very sorry to hear about your friend. If you don't mind me asking (and if you do mind, simply ignore my question), if you magically just knew that the universe was in fact a large computation engine where all possibilities are eventually played out, and also entailing some form of QTI

Re: Edgar, Personal Attacks, and the Real Consequences of Comp

On what authority do you make such claims? On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:14:54 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > Liz, (and Dan) > > When people die they vanish from existence. To believe otherwise may be > comforting, but it's just superstition.. > > There must be a living human body to prod

Re: Edgar, Personal Attacks, and the Real Consequences of Comp

ranks. On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:32:28 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2014/1/15 freqflyer07281972 > > >> On what authority do you make such claims? >> > > Isn't it obvious ? His own, it is so obviously obvious, it's a shame^Wjoke > y

Re: Donald Hoffman Video on Interface Theory of Consciousness

Hey Craig! I watched the video... very cool! Questions: 1) Who is the user of the interface? What is "us"? 2) What is the interface representing? Hoffman uses the analogy of the file and the trash bin icons on the desktop. In a computer, I know that the file ultimately represents binary value

Re: Edgar, Personal Attacks, and the Real Consequences of Comp

I have a funny comic I think all of you will appreciate to one extent or another. I'm also curious as to your reaction regarding the status of "questions" versus "answers": http://comicsthatsaysomething.quora.com/A-Day-at-the-Park On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 4:19:39 PM UTC-5, Terren Suydam

Re: Edgar, Personal Attacks, and the Real Consequences of Comp

What on god's green earth are you talking about, man? Jeez, ya hold out an olive branch, and ya just get more of the same. Sheesh. Edgar, you are now officially on my pay no mind list... On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 5:39:43 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > Liz, > > Wow, do we have some real

Re: Edgar, Personal Attacks, and the Real Consequences of Comp

Alberto, Thanks for your thoughts on this issue. They make a lot of sense and I agree for the most part. For example, the "adolescent sense of superiority" that comes with thinking you've got it all figured out is something that I myself have experienced (at times in my life when I thought

Re: Edgar, Personal Attacks, and the Real Consequences of Comp

> > > Unless I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together, of > course. > > Well, that's just it, isn't it? :-) Or indeed, if all of this "self" stuff is really a very sophisticated mental model we run... I've tried making that claim here before, but the response if I recall was

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 4:54:09 PM UTC-5, cdemorsella wrote: > > Man that’s uncool. You may think he is an idiot, but to go troll the > internet and then publish on this list his very personal life is crossing a > line. I think you owe the man an apology and need to look into your own >

Re: Edgar, Personal Attacks, and the Real Consequences of Comp

Thank you for posting that link... I really enjoyed reading your blog post! It captured well many of the thoughts I have had about the whole shebang. And sorry to hear that your hero died... I've never heard of John Galbraith Graham before, but learning about him has inspired me to try to do a

Re: Edgar, Personal Attacks, and the Real Consequences of Comp

I totally agree with you that science, when you really start getting into the implications of things like QM (and relativity for that matter), provides some rather unsettling (and yet very exciting!) conclusions. And yet... they always rest on the tip of uncertainty. Either that, or else the c

Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle in Doubt

Is anyone here aware of the following? http://www.tgdaily.com/general-sciences-features/66654-heisenbergs-uncertainty-principle-in-doubt Does it have implications for MW interpretations of quantum physics? I'd love to see comments about this. Cheers, Dan -- You received this message becaus

Omnipotence vs. Omniscience in the context of UDA

Dear Bruno and other loyal followers of the list, I had a thought tonight -- half baked and somewhat vague, but nevertheless I thought relevant to your discussions here... Is it not true, on the basis of what you laid out in Sane2004, that there is a necessarily inverse relationship between omn

Doesn't UDA simply imply that teleportation is impossible?

Hey all on the list, Bruno, I must say, thinking of the UDA. The key assumption is this teleportation business, and wouldn't it really be quite Ockham's Razorish to simply conclude from the entire argument that the correct substitution level is, in principle, not only not knowable, but not achi

Re: Doesn't UDA simply imply that teleportation is impossible?

On Saturday, November 10, 2012 3:00:33 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 11/10/2012 1:11 AM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: > > Hey all on the list, > > > > Bruno, I must say, thinking of the UDA. The key assumption is this > teleportation > > business, and wou

Chosen-ness

Hey everyone, I've been following this group a lot. I read it everyday and enjoy all of the wonderful stuff that comes up, even if some of it tends towards ad hominem, argument from authority, and petitio principi. Hey, we're humans, right? That means we get to make these fallacies, in good con

Re: meditation

Dear Telmo, With my recent post fresh in my mind, I think I can engage with you a bit on the meaning and purpose of meditation. I think the main point of meditation is to see 'what is' for 'what it is.' Nothing more, nothing less. All 'other worlds, other universes, other possibilities' are

Re: Why I love the Jews

Is there a way Roger can be banned for a comment like that? Or should the moderators/admins of this list simply change it to the 'Everything-Nazi List'? That's gotta be one of the dumbest and most offensive things I've ever read on this list. Roger, get a life. On Monday, February 4, 2013 3

Re: Chosen-ness

Hi Craig, Thank you for your very well considered point of view on my original post. I have some interjections that I would enjoy hearing a response to: On Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:37:03 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:35:22 PM UTC-5, freqf

Re: Does p make sense?

Dear Bruno, I would like to know what 'doxastic models of consciousness' means, as well as what means "S4Grz" - I know Craig was the one who originally used the term 'doxastic models' but you seemed to know right away what that meant, so I'd like to know from your perspective what it means; mo

Re: Chosen-ness

On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:15:53 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 7:05:39 PM UTC-5, freqflyer07281972 wrote: >> >> Hi Craig, >> >> Thank you for your very well considered point of view on my original >> po

Re: Films I think people on this forum might like

I've been following this thread with some interest, waiting for one movie to be invariably mentioned among this crowd, and surprised that it hasn't been yet: "Waking Life" by Richard Linklater. Not only would members of this list like this movie, they would also be reminded of the different ki

Magical Thinking

Hello everyone, I don't post here very often, but I read your posts every day via nabble (it is just easier to load responses on the mobile device). I also don't usually have much to contribute, but I'd like to contribute something today. After reviewing and re-reviewing all of the stuff that

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

Hey Craig, thanks for the feedback. Please refer to below: On Friday, October 11, 2013 5:10:39 AM UTC-4, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Friday, October 11, 2013 2:58:13 AM UTC-4, freqflyer07281972 wrote: >> >> The vocable "I" becomes attached to each impulse th

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

On Friday, October 11, 2013 2:58:13 AM UTC-4, freqflyer07281972 wrote: > > The vocable "I" becomes attached to each impulse that arises in a psychic > complex, no matter how mutually contradictory such impulses may appear to > be. From this process springs the idea of

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

On Friday, October 11, 2013 5:18:44 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Oct 2013, at 08:58, freqflyer07281972 wrote: > > The vocable "I" becomes attached to each impulse that arises in a psychic > complex, no matter how mutually contradictory such impulses ma

Re: Doesn't UDA simply imply that teleportation is impossible?

Sorry to resurrect such an old thread, but I think I'd like to respond here: On Saturday, November 10, 2012 4:32:16 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 10 Nov 2012, at 10:11, freqflyer07281972 wrote: > > > Hey all on the list, > > > > Bruno, I mus

Re: Doesn't UDA simply imply that teleportation is impossible?

urday, October 12, 2013 1:33:10 AM UTC-4, freqflyer07281972 wrote: > > Sorry to resurrect such an old thread, but I think I'd like to respond > here: > > On Saturday, November 10, 2012 4:32:16 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 10 Nov 2012,

Note to Russell Standish

Dear Russell, Back in 2012, you made the following claims regarding my general attack on Bruno's "mathematical reductionism": 1) Self-awareness is a requirement for consciousness 2) We expect to find ourselves in an environment sufficiently rich and complex to support self-aware structures

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

from quantia, including their(meaning, my experiences) magically "emerge" from the many quants that Bruno's idea seems to require. On Saturday, October 12, 2013 1:00:38 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 10/11/2013 9:44 PM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: > > Sometimes, Bruno,

Re: The Panopticon: QM and Relativity

Whoa, dude... you just blew my mind! I love this list! On Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:46:14 AM UTC-4, Stephen Lin wrote: > > A quote I got somewhere: "Understanding that the world is a Panopticon is > the easy part; the hard part is figuring out whether you're on the inside > looking out or t

Re: About wisdom

Stephen Lin, Are you on some kind of methamphetamine binge where you think it is totally cool for you to post vaguely sensible (but mostly nonsensical) thoughts that drive through your drug addled brain? Dude, we've all been there, we've got the t-shirts and postcards, and we are ready for s

Re: What's my name and what do you think I need to help me along my journey?

I think you need to lay off whatever drugs you are doing, find faith in some kind of higher power, and stop posting in a place on the internet made for serious thinkers and not lame ass dilletantes such as yourself. You do know you can comment on Youtube videos, don't you? On Wednesday, October

Re: I have a very good question but I don't know how to ask it...

Put down your crack pipe and seek help On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:23:39 AM UTC-4, Stephen Lin wrote: > > Without coaching anyway assume an answer. Trust me, it really is on-optic; > it has something to do with a supercomputer. > > Annywy, here does: Give that I am Neo, is it possible for me

Re: Dialetheism

Craig, As sympathetic as I am to all of your various multisense realism projects and the different conclusions they are intended to imply, I must warn you: If you're going to try to prove black is white, beware the Zebra crossings...(and if you don't get it, read Douglas Adams and the ultim

Re: Neuroscientists discover new 'mini-neural computer' in the brain

What are the 8 hypostases? I've seen this referred to a few other times on this list and have never really known what it refers to. thanks dan On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:30:26 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 29 Oct 2013, at 14:14, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > > > > On Tuesday,

Question for Bruno Regarding the question of whether information is physical.

Hey everyone, Here is a question for Bruno (and anyone else who wants to chime in) -- I came across this postover at Sean Carroll's Preposterous Universe blog, wherein he seems to be claiming that the relationship betwee

Re: Dancing in the flames

You're a crackpot and have no business posting on this list and you contribute nothing of value. Please go away. On Wednesday, June 12, 2013 3:33:28 PM UTC-4, Roger Clough wrote: > > > Christopher Hichens made his name > Attacking our dear Savior. > By now he's dancing in the flames > Wi

John Leslie's 'Infinite Minds: A Philosophical Cosmology'

Hey List! (and in particular Bruno) I have started re-reading the book I mention in the subject line -- after languishing in my bookshelf for a number of years, I pulled it out and began noticing the uncanny parallels it had with Bruno's UDA, although it reaches the same conclusions by some ra

Why Roger Clough's Posts are impossible to understand without severe brain damage.

There are two different, yet equally fruitless ways of conceiving why Roger Clough bothers to post garbage all over what used to be a very bright and interesting list. One, he is old and retired, so he has little else to fill his days. The other reason is that he thinks his ideas have some ki

The stupid legacy of another crackpot, Roger Clough

Because of Roger Clough, a less than mediocre Lutheran apologist who considers himself an astute interpreter of Leibniz, a formerly bright corner of the internet, the Everything List, has gone mostly dark due to the intellectual torpor and carelessness that seems to surround everything Clough

Leibniz, Leibniz, Leibniz.... oh, and did I mention Leibniz? Oh, yah, and monads and monism.

Subjectivity is impossible to understand, so don't bother trying to understand it. The best things anyone ever said about subjectivity, consciousness, the universe, god, or really, basically anything else that you can think of, were ALL said by one man 500 years ago. His name was Leibniz. He

Re: The stupid legacy of another crackpot, Roger Clough

g 2, 2013 12:29 pm > Subject: Re: The stupid legacy of another crackpot, Roger Clough > > No, it wuz the Libruls and their evil propaganda against delicious DDT. > > On Friday, August 2, 2013 1:35:31 AM UTC-4, freqflyer07281972 wrote: >> >> Because of Roger Clough, a less

Waster of Time, Life, and Mind: Roger Clough

Clough could have done himself a favor by maybe thinking more and posting/talking less, or perhaps sharing his delusory thinking with a psychiatrist, rather than spewing it all over a mostly unmoderated internet reading list that he has ruined as a result. Crackpots seem often to be paranoid l

Re: Whui I keep posting about Leibniz

Roger, Just because you perceive that people are 'wasting their time' by providing their own unique points of view on questions dear to their heart (and not, by the way, on rehashing simplistic strawmen positions of philosophers that lived during the Age of Enlightenment) does not give you lic

Leibniz, now Leibniz was a man...

A way out west there was a fella, fella I want to tell you about, fella by the name of Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz. At least, that was the handle his lovin' parents gave him, but he never had much use for it himself. This Leibniz, he called himself das Dude. Now, Dude, that's a name no

If a donut was baked that was large enough, would the hole in the middle of it be so large that even God couldn't eat it?

Should the holes in donuts even count as part of the donut? If so, what of Timbits? Could God eat so many donuts that there would be none left for us? Could we, perhaps term this the donut catastrophe? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything

Leibniz was quite the dandy!

What is matter? Never mind. What is mind? No matter. If life isn't non-physical, why can't I understand it? I think it's time I had some cake -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

Re: Whui I keep posting about Leibniz

an, Aion, etc, all suggest the same kind of 180 degree pivot of the > assumption of universe as assembled objects. Once we try this cosmological > flip, we wind up with experiences that can be counted, rather than > countings which can simulate experience. The totality of arit

Re: Re: R: Leibniz was quite the dandy!

The source for the quote given by Maxwell is found here: http://books.google.ca/books?id=VvMzJiLU0fEC&pg=PA244&lpg=PA244&dq=The+only+laws+of+matter+are+those+which+our+minds+must+fabricate,+and+the+only+laws+of+mind+are+fabricated+for+it+by+matter+maxwell+bibliography&source=bl&ots=bo4DyCQyrv&sig=

Leibniz and bacon - because EVERYTHING goes well with both (therefore not off topic)

A wise man once said (perhaps it was me, I don't know, I wrote it down but lost it during my last blackout): "BWAH! GET YOUR HANDS OFF MY WALLET YOU DIRTY FILCHER!" Bacon sure is good. And you know what else is good? Leibniz. But when bacon is cooking, I don't smell it, I only smell deliciousn

cross-posting out of context and psychological manipulation

Hi person from a totally different forum, I'm just going to post my response to you here in this reading list, even though it has no bearing on anything that they usually (or at least used to, before I came along) talk about here, but subtly suggests that if someone keeps bugging me, I might ki

Serious Proof of why I'm an Oblivious Moron

Really?! You need proof? Try: http://everything-list.105.n7.nabble.com/Not-to-worry-about-global-warming-We-re-long-overdue-for-an-ice-age-starting-iimmediately-td39038.html http://everything-list.105.n7.nabble.com/Please-read-me-td39055.html http://everything-list.105.n7.nabble.com/Think-of-t

Re: Whui I keep posting about Leibniz

Clever Robot! On Monday, August 5, 2013 12:41:21 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > > > in some respects, Roger seems like a shadow version of myself > > > Does he also engage in astrology and numerology? > > John K Clark > -- You

Re: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood

"And I have better ways to allocate my time than that." Coming from a cuckoo clock/roulette wheel... LOL. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: How PIP solves the hard problem of consciousness

Thanks Craig, you've articulated quite well a number of difficulties in approaching the hard problem, IMHO. I was reading this article in the SEP and thought of your approach: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nishida-kitaro/ Look especially under his glossing of the idea of 'pure experience.' I

The confluence of cosmology and biology

So it seems to me that all of us are situated within a spectacular confluence of cosmological and biological factors. The cosmological factors include the fact that dark energy hasn't gotten strong enough to rip the whole works apart, that the moon just so happens to be just as big as it is to

The I Concept, Analytically

The vocable "I" becomes attached to each impulse that arises in a psychic complex, no matter how mutually contradictory such impulses may appear to be. From this process springs the idea of a multitude of "me"'s. The impulses in question are affective, so that the inferential "I" is affective

Virtual Logic - Formal Arithmetic

A fun little article I came across that I thought everyone here might appreciate: http://www.imprint.co.uk/C&HK/vol7/kauffman_7-4.pdf Thoughts? Objections? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

Re: Virtual Logic - Formal Arithmetic

I don't get it. Please explain? Are you making a joke, something on the order of "both of these guys are spouting such metaphysical hogwash that the debate between them would be an even bigger yawnfest than their articles in particular"? Or is it some specific aspect of what each of them profe

Re: Virtual Logic - Formal Arithmetic

anks to the old Taoistic chestnut that "the Void, when named, is not the Void." And yet, formal reasoning seems to lead us to some kind of meaningful conclusions about it regardless. On Friday, May 16, 2014 12:53:38 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 5/15/2014 9:30 PM, freqflyer07281

Re: Virtual Logic - Formal Arithmetic

e: > > On 5/16/2014 2:41 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 16 May 2014 17:14, meekerdb > wrote: > >> On 5/15/2014 10:04 PM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: >> >> So do you think there is some merit in Kauffman's conclusions? Do you >> think it is poss

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

Hey there, I don't often post on this board, but I follow it quite frequently, and perhaps I might inject a 'fresh voice' to rescue this thread of a cul-de-sac of its own. It's essentially buddhist in nature rather than mathematical or computational, so forgive me if I appear presumptuous, or off

Parmenides, Monism, Bits

Hi There, I've been an avid reader of this group for a long time, and I always come here to try to think through the BIG questions... because I think the everything theory is, really let's face it, about as big as things get... that being said, I wanted to contribute something, albeit a fragment

A Question...

Hey There, I love reading the posts on this group, and I find a lot of the ideas mindblowing (and more than occasionally over my head) but I was wondering if anyone could clarify this question(s): 1) Is QI implied by UDA and comp? 2) Is QI implied by ASSA/RSSA? More generally, what is the existe

James Higgo and "Four Reasons Why You Don't Exist"

Hi everyone, This is my first post to this group. I find so many of the posts so fascinating, but I am still immersing myself in the discussion, so forgive the somewhat trivial direction of the present post. I found a website memorializing James Higgo's thoughts on quantum physics, quantum immo