Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry, and his soon to be ex-roomies
On 11/27/2014 8:45 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: If I was the moderator of this group I'd put him on probation with a very strong warning and demand an apology to the entire group and until he does I'd limit his participation. / / A good, and appropriate suggestion - Rick, what is your take, please? Richard's suggestion makes sense, in terms of the ongoing viability of this forum. /As time passes, people and friends tend to get spread out all over the world and we and our relatives are scattered far and wide. Families sometimes grow up not knowing each other, and brothers, sisters, moms and dads are separated by state lines and time zones. When this happens, it's important that we all make an effort to stay in touch and affirm what it is that makes our friendship so special. / /Well, I haven't forgotten the time we spent together. I have certainly missed your companionship and being able to get together more often. I know, though, that we have a special bond, which will endure any distance and time, no matter how great./ // /These words are recorded more to remind myself of my own earthliness, rather than to inform. Up here, words almost fail in their ability to describe the sense of order that I sometimes feel, an almost transcendental awareness of calm. / /Here I sit, Buddha style, my laptop by my side, fully convinced that I have realized my very own portable zone of tranquility. / /Anyway, if you ever get out to my place, we will have plenty of time to Be. There will also be plenty of time to just sit on the porch and watch the moon climb over the mountain. / ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : We warned this guy years ago about posting these kind of messages - a double-edged sword. Anyone that has been posting as long as Barry (since 1994) has been posting should know better. Anything can be taken out of context so it's just much better to be friendly online and reserve off-color comments for buddies at the bar. This was really dumb of Barry - in fact, it's one of the dumbest comments I've ever seen on newsgroups since I started in 1999. If I was the moderator of this group I'd put him on probation with a very strong warning and demand an apology to the entire group and until he does I'd limit his participation. This was TOTALLY inappropriate for a family forum like this. On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 6:43 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Anyone who uses such language is seriously disturbed. I just hope he doesn't harm that small child he is often photographed with. Someone oughta call the cops on him, and at least check his hard drive for kiddie porn. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Hilarious; from fantasizing about butt fucking babies to: /I felt myself drawn into it and through it into other realities. The Turq is coherent indeed :-)/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/26/2014 10:10 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: */My output is what it isbecause I am more coherent and a better thinker. /* /HIS BODY TURNED GOLD . . . . . . he began to shrink, then grow to tremendous heights. He raised his arms and a shower of energy rushed down onto us while lines of power pushed up through my spine. His body turned gold, then it turned into a doorway. It became an absence. I felt myself drawn into it and through it into other realities. I felt myself spinning, floating, turning in various directions, then expanding and contracting. - /Uncle Tantra http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The_Last_Incarnation.htm http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The%20Last%20Incarnation.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry, and his soon to be ex-roomies
On 11/27/2014 8:51 PM, jr_esq wrote: Richard, This is an excellent observation. I think the person in question uses this forum to get attention and notoriety without consideration for common courtesy and decency. Rick should reprimand this person. It's a cry for attention, obviously. /Some tantric traditions are very hip to the exchange of energies between individuals, and also hip to the fact that someone who knows how can artificially add to their own kundalini or life energy by getting people to focus on them, and then sorta sucking the energy from that focused attention./ - TurquoiseB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : We warned this guy years ago about posting these kind of messages - a double-edged sword. Anyone that has been posting as long as Barry (since 1994) has been posting should know better. Anything can be taken out of context so it's just much better to be friendly online and reserve off-color comments for buddies at the bar. This was really dumb of Barry - in fact, it's one of the dumbest comments I've ever seen on newsgroups since I started in 1999. If I was the moderator of this group I'd put him on probation with a very strong warning and demand an apology to the entire group and until he does I'd limit his participation. This was TOTALLY inappropriate for a family forum like this. On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 6:43 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Anyone who uses such language is seriously disturbed. I just hope he doesn't harm that small child he is often photographed with. Someone oughta call the cops on him, and at least check his hard drive for kiddie porn. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Hilarious; from fantasizing about butt fucking babies to: /I felt myself drawn into it and through it into other realities. The Turq is coherent indeed :-)/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/26/2014 10:10 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: */My output is what it isbecause I am more coherent and a better thinker. /* /HIS BODY TURNED GOLD . . . . . . he began to shrink, then grow to tremendous heights. He raised his arms and a shower of energy rushed down onto us while lines of power pushed up through my spine. His body turned gold, then it turned into a doorway. It became an absence. I felt myself drawn into it and through it into other realities. I felt myself spinning, floating, turning in various directions, then expanding and contracting. - /Uncle Tantra http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The_Last_Incarnation.htm http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The%20Last%20Incarnation.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] It's the cult thinking, stupid!
On 11/26/2014 10:34 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */I hope I've made my point to lurkers and those with somewhat open minds. /* */ /* */All I had to do was use a little colorful language to describe Maharishi, and the four extreme cultists on this forum went fucking crazy attacking me. /* */ /* */I suggest that what Richard Williams, Jim Flanegin, Ann, and Steve have done in response to that is some of the purest CULT BEHAVIOR I've ever seen. /* */ /* */It follows a pattern I've been trying to document on this forum since I arrived on it, a tendency to react to anyone who criticizes, makes fun of, or (worst) shows zero respect for the person they're guru-whipped by with anger, hatred, and a dedicated attempt to get them. /* */ /* */Richard has demonstrated a willingness to lie to do this, signing my name to things I didn't write. /* How much would you willing to wager? /I've always been a closet lesbian, and proud of it.../ - Uncle Tantra https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.meditation.transcendental/13PyYkZo7ao/DqT4nCmCPr4J /* */ */Jim has demonstrated a willingness to stalk me on the Internet to find photos that he can then crop and caption to make them look more sinister, and Ann and Steve have demonstrated that they'll pounce on any subject (in this most recent case, polyamory) that allows them to get Barry./* */ /* */Did I provoke these people by intentionally pushing their buttons? /* */ /* */You betcha. I wanted to put their reactivity -- and the nature of it -- on display. /* */ /* */I think I succeeded. These four people, more than anything else, demonstrate why I consider TM a cult, and FFL a cult forum. These people were all TRAINED to act like this. /* */ /* */You may not like my tactics -- or me -- very much, but please watch these four in the future. They will probably continue to attack me, but watch how they treat *others* who dare to criticize Maharishi or TMers. They'll use the same tactics. If I've helped even a few people to see this, then I've succeeded. /* */ /* */ /* */ /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] There is NO American Dream
On 11/28/2014 5:46 PM, Bhairitu wrote: “America has no higher rate of social mobility than medieval England, so says UC Davis economics prof: http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/11/26/uc-davis-economics-professor-there-is-no-american-dream/ Dream on college kids. It will probably take and insurrection to correct this. /Why do almost all of your economic solutions involve violence? //All Americans are already living the American Dream - it's not just an economic, class, or status idea. //Everyone, rich or poor, is already living the dream, Barry2! Wake up and smell the coffee. /
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There is NO American Dream
On 11/28/2014 6:05 PM, s3raphita wrote: Re It will probably take an insurrection to correct this.: Let me know the date and time - I'll be there! /The American dream is stated in the U.S. Declaration of Independence: all men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights including Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. / ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : “America has no higher rate of social mobility than medieval England, so says UC Davis economics prof: http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/11/26/uc-davis-economics-professor-there-is-no-american-dream/ Dream on college kids. It will probably take and insurrection to correct this.
Re: [FairfieldLife] There is NO American Dream
Dream on college kids. It will probably take and insurrection to correct this. /Why do almost all of your economic solutions involve violence? / / /On 11/28/2014 7:23 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Because history repeats itself. The people have the right of revolution but individuals do not. At present you stand alone. /All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient./ *The Constitution of Texas, Article 1, Sect 2:* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Texas /All Americans are already living the American Dream - it's not just an economic, class, or status idea. //Everyone, rich or poor, is already living the dream, Barry2! Wake up and smell the coffee. / Try reading the article first before you comment. The professor disagrees with you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Buddha was every inch a Hindu
On 11/28/2014 8:07 PM, sri...@ymail.com wrote: Buddha was every inch a Hindu - Koenraad Elst https://bharatabharati.wordpress.com/2013/08/10/buddha-was-every-inch-a-hindu-koenraad-elst/ According to Professor Flood, there were no Hindus in the historical Buddha's time. /The actual term Hindu first occurs as a Persian geographical term for the people who lived beyond the river Indus./ The term Hindu then was a geographical term and did not refer to a religion. Work cited: Flood, Gavin (Editor) (2003). *The Blackwell Companion to Hinduism*. Malden, MA: Blackwell Publishing Ltd. p.6.
Re: [FairfieldLife] porno vid
On 11/28/2014 8:24 PM, sri...@ymail.com wrote: Toronto photographer’s ‘skyline porn’ video goes viral http://www.680news.com/2014/11/28/toronto-photographers-skyline-porn-video-goes-viral/ This search for significant meanings where none are to be found recalls the reply made by Sigmund Freud to overzealous disciples who felt that there must be a significant meaning behind his cigar smoking -///Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, and his soon to be ex-roomies
On 11/27/2014 9:32 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: I had exactly the same thought about lines crossed. I am even starting to really evaluate my participation here at FFL. Barry is a disturbed man who has really effected this forum. Because of him most useful discussions are either curtailed or participants simply stop posting here. And who can blame them? I am being very serious when I say the guy lives to pollute and he is very good at it. He simply should be kicked off, stopped, told to go away. He crosses lines of personal decency and respect repeatedly. He will the the death of this place. We have all of, what, 10 active posters here? I am not sure if I have ever used this word here but he is a real troll who seeks to pretty much corrupt anything of substance anyone says. The other trolls simply drive by and leave again leaving a steaming pile in their wake but Barry never goes away, he is a constant and he's perverted in very fundamental ways. Who wants to be around something like that day to day? Really, the toxicity of it is quite disturbing. Alex has banned others for smaller offences. It remains to be seen if Rick agrees and has the balls to done something about it. /Apparently Barry used to call himself Uncle Tantra for a reason./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hey, Did Anyone Wish the Lurking Reporter, Happy Thanksgiving?
Gobble. On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 4:39 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Happy Thanksgiving LR!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Experimenters to put digitize worm brains
So, I'm just imagining that I'm self-conscious and that I perceive a constructed character of knowing and see other things and events that others see at the same time that I see and experience them. Just because we all see doors and tables at the same time and experience events in time and space and can communicate with each other and discuss them, there's no proof that these things actually exist except as a mass illusion in our minds. I don't have free will and nobody else has free will - I am being controlled by bio-chemical software that tells me what to do at any given moment. There's no inner controller and nothing to write home about anyway. Go figure. On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.neted [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Experimenters are digitizing worm brains using them in robots. Maybe they're learn that most insects are essentially robots or just organic machines. Then they'll learn that most humans are robots and just organic machines. And probably that consciousness is just an illusion. :-D http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2851663/Are-brink-creating-artificial-life-Scientists-digitise-brain-WORM-place-inside-robot.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry, and his soon to be ex-roomies
We warned this guy years ago about posting these kind of messages - a double-edged sword. Anyone that has been posting as long as Barry (since 1994) has been posting should know better. Anything can be taken out of context so it's just much better to be friendly online and reserve off-color comments for buddies at the bar. This was really dumb of Barry - in fact, it's one of the dumbest comments I've ever seen on newsgroups since I started in 1999. If I was the moderator of this group I'd put him on probation with a very strong warning and demand an apology to the entire group and until he does I'd limit his participation. This was TOTALLY inappropriate for a family forum like this. On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 6:43 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Anyone who uses such language is seriously disturbed. I just hope he doesn't harm that small child he is often photographed with. Someone oughta call the cops on him, and at least check his hard drive for kiddie porn. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Hilarious; from fantasizing about butt fucking babies to: *I felt myself drawn into it and through it into other realities. The Turq is coherent indeed :-)* ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/26/2014 10:10 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: *My output is what it is because I am more coherent and a better thinker. * *HIS BODY TURNED GOLD . . . . . . he began to shrink, then grow to tremendous heights. He raised his arms and a shower of energy rushed down onto us while lines of power pushed up through my spine. His body turned gold, then it turned into a doorway. It became an absence. I felt myself drawn into it and through it into other realities. I felt myself spinning, floating, turning in various directions, then expanding and contracting. - *Uncle Tantra http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The_Last_Incarnation.htm http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The%20Last%20Incarnation.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Predatory Scientific Journals
On 11/26/2014 4:35 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */It sounds as if this is exactly the journal to which Lawson should submit his ME research that requires statistical analysis to catch. Instead of repeating the phrase that these authors submitted, the TMO could write a paper that consists entirely of: /* */ /* */All you have to do is click your butt cheeks together three times and say 'There's no place like OM...there's no place like OM.' Add this graphic, and you're sure to get published:/* You've got some nerve talking to Lawson like that after publishing that /Road Tr//ip Mind/ journal! So, I wonder what was going on in Barry's mind when he witnessed Fred move the fucking stars around. If any normal person would have witnessed something like that they would probably not have been able to click their but cheeks together - and would have shit their pants (if they had any on). Go figure. /I've seen him -- so help me -- move the fucking stars around in the sky, shift whole constellations, draw smiley faces with them. That's a real corker to digest, because you know that physically they weren't moving around, at least in this dimension, or a bunch of astronomers would've had a hissy fit. Yet they moved around. I saw it, and hundreds of other students saw it./ - Barry Wright http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife/yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html */ /* */http://imgur.com/r/thick/IfmCkur /* */ /* */:-)/* *From:* anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:00 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Predatory Scientific Journals This one had me splitting my sides. Get Me Off Your Fucking Mailing List is an actual science paper accepted by a journal http://www.vox.com/2014/11/21/7259207/scientific-paper-scam image http://www.vox.com/2014/11/21/7259207/scientific-paper-scam Get Me Off Your Fucking Mailing List is an a... http://www.vox.com/2014/11/21/7259207/scientific-paper-scam It's literally just those seven words, over and over again. View on www.vox.com http://www.vox.com/2014/11/21/7259207/scientific-paper-scam Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield and M. Effect
*From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : The Maharishi Effect has always, at least in the theoretical discussions, been a big numbers effect that requires statistical analysis to catch. It's rubbish in other words. On 11/26/2014 1:42 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */I was going to insert an edit and change the last word of Lawson's sentence from catch to fake. :-)/* You, Sir, are a phoney. WTF do you think 200 hippies were doing out in the middle of the night meditating together with Fred if it wasn't the ME? /I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night./ - TurquoiseB Subject: TM is a Cult? Author: TurquoiseB Group: Yahoo Fairfieldife Date: Friday, 23 May 2014 http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html */ /* */It's still a weird moment when I run into someone who actually seems to believe in the ME. It's like encountering an actual person who believes that the earth is only a few thousand years old -- part of me is repulsed, like when you see the geek in a traveling carnival show, but another part is so astounded that someone can possibly believe this stuff that I can't look away. /* */ /* */People must be really, really desperate for attention to still be seeking credit for saving the world by bouncing on their butts. It's as if they're hoping someday their groupie status will be so big people will ask for their autographs. /* */Speaking of autographs, I was somewhat subdued in my FFL posting yesterday because I was still savoring the discovery that I got mentioned by name in Bruce Cockburn's new memoir Rumours Of Glory. It's just one paragraph recalling a time we met briefly in Toronto, but it was good to know that he'd actually read the piece I wrote it up in, and remembered it. For a Cockburn fan that's like 15 seconds were added to my lifetime 15 minutes of fame, so I understand the butt-bouncers' desire to have someone pat them on the back and say, Hey...great job saving the world! :-)/* */ /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield and M. Effect
On 11/26/2014 1:32 AM, salyavin808 wrote: This is clever, he can prove there are paranormal powers without anyone ever demonstrating any such thing! A first for science, makes me wonder why his institute isn't taken seriously.. Lies, damn lies, statistics etc.. You are another informant that probably needs to keep his big pie hole shut about paranormal powers and science statistics. Until you can offer a rebuttal or a an intelligent comment on Barry's paranormal claims, you're just a damn hypocrite. Step up to the plate. I'm calling you out - you phoney fuk! Put up or STFU. /I've been sitting three feet in front of him and seen him go invisible, to the point where you could see stars through the outline of his body, and then no outline. I've seen him do the same trick from the feet up, leaving only a Cheshire Cat smile before it went pop! and disappeared, too. I've seen him project the double, as described in the Castaneda books. One of him was standing a few feet in front of me and another one was up on top of the mountain we were in front of, waving./ - Barry Wright http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife/yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's teachings and those of Maharishi
On 11/26/2014 6:17 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Ahhh, I love to watch the True Believers fight amongst one another - just a good confirmation of the lack of effect of TM and the so-called Marshy Effect! You'd think a guy hailing from SC with a reputation like he's got would try to make himself look good - at least on the internet. Go figure. *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 26, 2014 6:47 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's teachings and those of Maharishi I would not have written what I did if Maharishi had not himself warned that this exact situation would arise some time in the future. I've never for a moment believed that Paul Mason has the Movement's progress as one of his priorities. As for the rest of what you wrote it's mostly blabber, same stuff as your review of An Autobiography of A Yogi. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tkinnes@... wrote : be aware of false prophets. When someone is talking Guru Dev this and Guru Dev that, their agenda could be to try to hurt Maharishi's Movement and ultimately try to stop people from meditating. I recognise it is good to prepare for foul weather (in good time) when the weather is fine and the sky is clear, too. Sure, sure. But to warn against rain in the middle of a desert seems out of place too. Since the fall of Troy there has been a saying against Greeks carrying gifts. I am not a Greek. Greekings, -- Tormod Kinnes
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield and M. Effect
On 11/26/2014 6:07 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: The Maharishi Effect has always, at least in the theoretical discussions, been a big numbers effect that requires statistical analysis to catch. Which means its horseshit - if its as magical as they claim, it would work large or small - its a con artist deal on the part of the Movement, nothing more. You bigot - it only took 200 hippies meeting in the desert and everybody, /according to Barry/, got off on the /Rama Effect//./ /I've seen him -- so help me -- move the fucking stars around in the sky, shift whole constellations, draw smiley faces with them. That's a real corker to digest, because you know that physically they weren't moving around, at least in this dimension, or a bunch of astronomers would've had a hissy fit. Yet they moved around. I saw it, and hundreds of other students saw it./ - Barry Wright http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife/yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html *From:* lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:58 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield and M. Effect The Maharishi Effect has always, at least in the theoretical discussions, been a big numbers effect that requires statistical analysis to catch. By theory, a town the size of Fairfield would be too small to really see the effect manifest reliably, regardless of what research beleivers decided to publicize in order to encourage other believers to participate more regularly. Consider the effect that a single pickpocketing Sidha would have on Fairfield's crime-rate, for example... [By the way, I came up with that example on a Washington, DC course a year or two before the course that lead to the resarch everyone likes to pooh-pooh -a pickpocket had slipped into the gathered sidhas outside the flying hall, and was working the crowd so the police were called] The activities of a single criminal in a crowd of several thousand are sufficient to raise the crime-rate in that crowd, no matter how enlghtened they are as individuals and the fact that this person was willing to roam freely amongst the TMers meant his behavior wasn't noticeably affected by their presence - in fact, you cold argue that his behavior was *inspired* by their presence. The same issue holds true for a town of 10,000, like Fairfield. It is only when you get to the level of communities with a million or more people that the Maharishi Effect is (according to the theoretical papers) supposed to be reliably detectable since a single person's behavior is lost in the statistics involving hundreds or thousands of criminals. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : It's Maharishi's fault! LOL *From:* LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:36 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect Since the number of Pundits is down to about 200 and the number of TM-Sidhas practicing is way below the number their theory says is required, the most they could say is that they have failed to have a positive effect on Ferguson because they have failed to keep their numbers sufficiently high. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : 227.5 miles - evidently the Marshy Effect is still to funnel money from TB'ers pockets to the TMO's coffers, rather than create peace. OF course, the TMO will have a different spin on the situation, the remedy of which will include giving more money to the TMO, you know, to get more pundits and increase the Dome numbers - ha ha! *From:* Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:29 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect Does anybody know how far Ferguson Mo. is from Fairfield Ia.? Was group program called off yesterday?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield and M. Effect
On 11/26/2014 6:08 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Not for all the tea in China. Just for the record, you probably wouldn't be allowed to set foot on the MUM campus after you threw all your friends under the bus. All you had to do in order to earn your keep was to set some tables a few times a day and not burn down the trailer house they gave you to sleep in. Go figure. *From:* dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 26, 2014 12:27 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield and M. Effect The evident Science would tell us though that hands down the bestest chance we have to support and give peace between peoples, and religions for instance, is cultivating the practice of a transcending meditation as spirituality practice. According to the science, it would be best to see more people in the domes meditating together or other large groups meditating together. The spiritual field effect is fabulous by experience at the least. You all should come to Fairfield and join the group meditation. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck LEnglish writes : The Maharishi Effect has always, at least in the theoretical discussions, been a big numbers effect that requires statistical analysis to catch. By theory, a town the size of Fairfield would be too small to really see the effect manifest reliably, regardless of what research beleivers decided to publicize in order to encourage other believers to participate more regularly. Consider the effect that a single pickpocketing Sidha would have on Fairfield's crime-rate, for example... [By the way, I came up with that example on a Washington, DC course a year or two before the course that lead to the resarch everyone likes to pooh-pooh -a pickpocket had slipped into the gathered sidhas outside the flying hall, and was working the crowd so the police were called] The activities of a single criminal in a crowd of several thousand are sufficient to raise the crime-rate in that crowd, no matter how enlghtened they are as individuals and the fact that this person was willing to roam freely amongst the TMers meant his behavior wasn't noticeably affected by their presence - in fact, you cold argue that his behavior was *inspired* by their presence. The same issue holds true for a town of 10,000, like Fairfield. It is only when you get to the level of communities with a million or more people that the Maharishi Effect is (according to the theoretical papers) supposed to be reliably detectable since a single person's behavior is lost in the statistics involving hundreds or thousands of criminals. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : It's Maharishi's fault! LOL *From:* LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:36 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect Since the number of Pundits is down to about 200 and the number of TM-Sidhas practicing is way below the number their theory says is required, the most they could say is that they have failed to have a positive effect on Ferguson because they have failed to keep their numbers sufficiently high. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : 227.5 miles - evidently the Marshy Effect is still to funnel money from TB'ers pockets to the TMO's coffers, rather than create peace. OF course, the TMO will have a different spin on the situation, the remedy of which will include giving more money to the TMO, you know, to get more pundits and increase the Dome numbers - ha ha! *From:* Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:29 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect Does anybody know how far Ferguson Mo. is from Fairfield Ia.? Was group program called off yesterday?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield and M. Effect
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : The Maharishi Effect has always, at least in the theoretical discussions, been a big numbers effect that requires statistical analysis to catch. On 11/26/2014 1:32 AM, salyavin808 wrote: It's rubbish in other words. Rubbish is when all you had to do was */speak up/* about the crimes going on in Rotherham. You don't have much room to criticize others with that kind of record. You'd look a lot better on this forum if you had some integrity of your own. You sound like a phoney to me - coming here to trash your old friends that tried to help you and gave you food and a place to live when you were down and out. Funnily enough I was reading about statistics and paranormal research the other day. There's a guy called Dean Radin - friend of Fred Travis and member of the institute of noetic research - who proved via statistical analysis that the human mind has magical powers like telepathy and precognition. The amazing thing about his research is that he statistically meta - analysed hundreds of decent papers that had found no such thing! This is clever, he can prove there are paranormal powers without anyone ever demonstrating any such thing! A first for science, makes me wonder why his institute isn't taken seriously.. Lies, damn lies, statistics etc.. By theory, a town the size of Fairfield would be too small to really see the effect manifest reliably, regardless of what research beleivers decided to publicize in order to encourage other believers to participate more regularly. Consider the effect that a single pickpocketing Sidha would have on Fairfield's crime-rate, for example... Or a single gun rampage could have on otherwise also unconvincing statistics in Washington or Lebanon. [By the way, I came up with that example on a Washington, DC course a year or two before the course that lead to the resarch everyone likes to pooh-pooh -a pickpocket had slipped into the gathered sidhas outside the flying hall, and was working the crowd so the police were called] The activities of a single criminal in a crowd of several thousand are sufficient to raise the crime-rate in that crowd, no matter how enlghtened they are as individuals and the fact that this person was willing to roam freely amongst the TMers meant his behavior wasn't noticeably affected by their presence - in fact, you cold argue that his behavior was *inspired* by their presence. So clearly, you have to statistically remove any crime to make the figures right... The same issue holds true for a town of 10,000, like Fairfield. It is only when you get to the level of communities with a million or more people that the Maharishi Effect is (according to the theoretical papers) supposed to be reliably detectable since a single person's behavior is lost in the statistics involving hundreds or thousands of criminals. And the larger amount of criminals in large towns make the statistics unconvincing in those cases in exactly the same way. But it's nice that Buck doesn't have to worry about anything affecting the science in Fairfield. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : It's Maharishi's fault! LOL *From:* LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:36 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect Since the number of Pundits is down to about 200 and the number of TM-Sidhas practicing is way below the number their theory says is required, the most they could say is that they have failed to have a positive effect on Ferguson because they have failed to keep their numbers sufficiently high. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : 227.5 miles - evidently the Marshy Effect is still to funnel money from TB'ers pockets to the TMO's coffers, rather than create peace. OF course, the TMO will have a different spin on the situation, the remedy of which will include giving more money to the TMO, you know, to get more pundits and increase the Dome numbers - ha ha! *From:* Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:29 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect Does anybody know how far Ferguson Mo. is from Fairfield Ia.? Was group program called off yesterday?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's teachings and those of Maharishi
*From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Buck, be aware of false prophets. When someone is talking Guru Dev this and Guru Dev that, their agenda could be to try to hurt Maharishi's Movement and ultimately try to stop people from meditating. On 11/26/2014 6:11 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: */Can't argue with Nabby's logic here, because it's essentially the same thing that Michael and Salyavin and myself have been saying for years: /* So, what happened to all the money you collected from poor students and gave to the Fred Lenz cult - promising them /instant enlightenment/ just to pay for a phoney magic trick show? You and Fred made P.T Barnum look like a saint! */ /* */Any time you see the words 'Jai Guru Dev' written at the bottom of something, run away quickly because nine times out of ten the person who wrote it is trying to rip you off./* /* */ Please stop the hypocrisy, Barry - it's just too embarrassing - you're making all military-brats look like bigots. Why can't you figure this out? /* */
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's teachings and those of Maharishi
On 11/26/2014 7:09 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: */While I'm giving you the standard Newbie warning about Nabby, Tormod, I should probably caution you about the person posting as Richard J. Williams (and also occasionally posting as punditster, Pundit Sir, WillyTex, and other obvious aliases). /* Since we are introducing ourselves, maybe we should start out by letting new subscribers know that they can judge the respondents on this list by reading what they have posted to the group and just let their words speak for themselves. Is that alright with you Mr. Wright? http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=Richard+J.+Williamsl=fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com */ /* */He's another well-known crank and Internet troll, famous for doing everything he possibly can on this and other forums to disrupt real conversations and provoke arguments for over 20 years now. /* */ /* */Read his stuff if you want, but bear in mind before replying to him that he is still on the Sexual Offender's List of the state he lives in. As I understand it, many people where he lives...uh...date outside their species, but Richard preferred his conquests young, and thus developed relationships with *underaged* prairie dogs. That's looked down upon, even in Texas. /* */ /* */Don't say you weren't warned.../* */ /* *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 26, 2014 1:37 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's teachings and those of Maharishi */Tormod, it may interest you to know that the person who has been giving you such a hard time while posting anonymously as Nablusos1008 also lives in Norway. /* */ /* */He *claims* to have been a TM teacher and even claims to have spent some time on TM Purusha courses in the past. But it's important to remember that these are unsubstantiated claims because 1) he posts anonymously, so no one knows his name, 2) as far as we can tell he wouldn't be allowed anywhere near a real TM facility these days because of his association with and promotion of Off The Program teachers such as Benjamin Creme, and 3) he spends so much of his time being angry and lashing out at anyone who isn't him that it's doubtful he ever meditated a day in his life. /* */ /* */Nabby (our nickname for him, since literally no one here takes him seriously) is regarded by most as a crank. He tends to write about his belief in aliens that he calls the Space Brothers and about the supposed savior Maitreya touted by his real teacher Benjamin Creme, who has been about to appear any day now for almost thirty years. Without ever appearing, of course. :-) /* */ /* */If you're there on the ground in Norway and in touch with real TMers, ask around. Someone probably knows who this guy claiming to be a former TM teacher really is. Let us know when you find out. /* *From:* Tormod Kinnes tkin...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 26, 2014 1:24 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's teachings and those of Maharishi RALLYING THROUGH SUSPICIONS Nablusoss1008 - if that is your real name . . . I would not have written what I did if Maharishi had not himself warned that this exact situation would arise some time in the future. I've never for a moment believed that Paul Mason has the Movement's progress as one of his priorities. As for the rest of what you wrote it's mostly blabber, same stuff as your review of An Autobiography of A Yogi. Every wild donkey has a right to be on its guard of predators and humans. You look much more like a clown to me, but . . . you may be on the side of Jesus. He not only suspected his family contained enemies who would kill him - and they tried to - but warned in public that a man's enemies will be the members of his own household. (Matthew 10:36). You are not of my household, thanks God! Go and suspect wisely and well on Biblical ground, you! But don't be rash. There is Buddha's great advice to investigate - going against dumb belief - a help to suspect well, try to live wisely and well, a candle in a dark, dark cave: Etha tumhe Kalama. Ma anussavena, ma paramparaya, ma itikiraya, ma pitasampadanena, ma takkahetu, ma nayahetu, ma akaraparivitakkena, nid ditthinijjhanakkhantiya, ma bhabbarupataya, ma samanro no garu ti. It says, in one translation: Do not accept anything on mere hearsay (ie, thinking that thus have we heard it for a long time). Do not accept anything by mere tradition (ie, thinking that it has been handed down thus through many generations). Do not accept anything on
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's teachings and those of Maharishi
On 11/26/2014 7:46 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */No problemo, Tormod. I posted partly to warn you who you were dealing with in Nabby, but also to give *him* a bit of a panic because he's terrified people here will find out his real name. /* */ /* */As for Richard Williams, what I said about him being...uh...overly fond of prairie dogs is not really true. At least not to the best of my knowledge. /* */ /* */What I said about him being generally recognized as being one of the biggest trolls on the Internet IS true, however, so be warned. Interacting with him in any way will just prove to be a waste of your time. I posted to warn you because his pattern is to pounce on all newbies /* / Now this is really funny - /Barry Wright pounced on a newbie to warn him about Richard Williams pouncing on a newbie. /It just doesn't get any better than this! Thanks, Barry you just made my day! LoL!// * */ */(who don't know his patterns) and try to get them to interact with him, so he can waste their time and energy. /* *From:* Tormod Kinnes tkin...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 26, 2014 2:39 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's teachings and those of Maharishi Hei (Norwegian greeting), Thanks! I have no idea of Nabby's identity, and may not try to find out either. Now, there is one more thing - Maharishi did a lot to keep the TM movement rolling, and TM surely helps a lot. I am glad that much research has confirmed it. I have a lot to be grateful for - my life, too, I can tell. Loving greetings, -- Tormod Kinnes
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC
NOT! On 11/26/2014 9:35 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Share wrote: 'So Xeno, now that you've been corrupted into writing short posts, would you deem them also thin?' Because the universe may be perceived in pieces, all is corruptible; no thing is immune from being demeaned, truncated, belittled, debased, degraded, despised, disparaged, abased, and detracted from. Those that that think they are incorruptible (Judy comes to mind) are not aware of their own human nature and the nature of the world. A single brief post many does not make, Share. If you look at most posts by Fleetwood, they tend to be short. Barry on the other hand sometimes writes quite a bit. He may even write more than Fleetwood, but he normally collects his thoughts together and arranges them instead of shooting from the hip. The post count limit we used to have tended to force people to be a bit more coherent in their output. Whether or not you like what Barry writes, his output is more coherent and well thought out than Fleetwood's, because he is less impulsive. Fleetwood is also more dismissive, preferring not to delve into an issue he cannot be bothered with, and so he writes a quick dismissive note ignoring any points made. While Barry can be dismissive too, after all he does not read a lot of posts here, but he often goes into some detail why he thinks something is nuts. The master here on FFL of often lengthy but usually irrelevant posting is Richard. When he gets going, no one can match Richard for pointless quantity and number of posts. It always seems to me that Richard is seeing what goes on FFL out the corner of his eye, but his mind is elsewhere with a different agenda (i.e., trolling) so the posts look as if they have something to do with a particular discussion but really do not have that much relevance. In my e-mail I have a Richard folder, and from time to time just mark them 'all read'. When I post, because I am a slow writer, and tend to length, I do not have time to read too many posts, maybe because I take too long to write them, and so cannot remain in any particular conversation for very long most of the time. Thank you heartily for noticing that I am corruptible. There is a wonderful grit to corruption and graft, ill will and misunderstanding. It is the spice of life, and the greatest moments are when we can smooth over that roughness with a bit of harmony. Life then is not thin and drawn or empty. I do think before I write. But if you are interested in brevity, take a gander at the following: *The Lost Art of Brevity* by Mike Myatt Do you ever grow weary of listening to the verbose, or reading the work of those that have issues with clear articulation? I certainly do…but fear not; the lost art of brevity is making a comeback. Those of you that know me have come to understand that I prefer to cut to the chase. I like to get to the root of an issue as quickly as possible. While I appreciate the great oratory skills of those who communicate using wonderful word pictures, or the academics who can wax eloquent while always using the best form of prose, I prefer my business communication to be quick and dirty. In the immortal words of Jack Webb: The facts ma'am…just the facts. In today's post I'll look at the benefits associated with the resurgence of brevity. Let me begin clearly stating that it is not my goal to be perceived as a word-basher. I appreciate anyone who has command of a great vocabulary, but I don't have time for a 30 minute explanation of something that could have been, and should have been, communicated in 2 minutes. Brevity is rare because it takes both skill and effort to simplify the complex. It's easier to remain ethereal, vague and ambiguous than it is to communicate with purpose and clarity. My message today is a simple one – refining your communications skill is well worth the effort. Don't be the person known for rambling on, be the person known for being articulate and to the point. Probably the greatest example of the power of brevity comes from what is widely considered to be the greatest speech in American history: The Gettysburg Address. President Lincoln's speech was only 10 sentences long (272 words), and lasted less than a mere 3 minutes in length. Contrast Lincoln's brilliant example of the power of brevity with the keynote speech that day. The renowned orator Edward Everett preceded President Lincoln on the podium at Gettysburg. Everett's speech was an amazing two hours in length. He was after all the President of Harvard, but I digress…My question is this: which speech was more effective, and more memorable? Ah, the power of brevity… The good news is that there are two big trends emboldening those of us who prefer brevity over other more irritating forms of communication. First is the time pressure for our attention. People simply don't have the time to listen
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC
On 11/26/2014 9:38 AM, fleetwood_macncheese: Yes, polyamory is basically there, to take care of lust. Humans, though, do themselves a disservice getting addicted to it. Part of Barry's many problems, is that he never made the transition, from lust, to intimacy (which incorporates plenty of lust), and doesn't understand the difference - hence, no long-term relationships for him, ever. I doubt he has even lived with a woman for longer than a year, during his entire adult life. He just doesn't get it. /I don't think I was ever a starry-eyed TMer, and// //I definitely never thought he had any kind of // //pipeline to any useful knowledge, but I used to // //go to his Friday night talks in L.A. regularly, // //because it was the best place in town for a TM // //guy to get lucky. /// - TurquoiseB http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife/yahoogroups.com/msg66703.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I have to say that it appears to me that the central tenant of polyamory, is that I am going to fuck who I want, when I want, and if it bothers you, then you had best get over it, or used to it. Now, along with that you may try to carve out a life with others with whom you get along with reasonably well, at least for the moment, but the relationship(s) are always subject to I reserve the right to bring home anyone with whom I wish to have sex. And it also seems that you can be voted off the island at anytime. I'm not sensing a lot of happiness in that arrangement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Search Facebook Accounts?? Are you hallucinating, too? I despise Facebook, and would NEVER have an account on there. That site is for overgrown pimply teenagers like yourself, imo. I found your pictures, in five seconds, with the following search string on Google: Barry Wright Leiden polyamory Try it.:-) :-) :-) Yes, interesting. It turns out the lampshade is a paper hat on his head. Some insights into bawee's life here; he seems nicer when not at FFL. I wonder why that is? The whole subject of polyamory is interesting. Reading about the dad in the family I wonder how willing he would be to share his daughter Maya with outside families - allow her to live and be loved and kept and nourished/raised by other households in the same way he is willing to allow his lovers the same freedoms. He does say that Maya especially is the light of his life, his main love so I would have to wonder if he wouldn't want to hold her much closer to himself in every way, but only he could tell us that. I have lots of ideas about polyamory and I know it has been sort of discussed here but bawee, as usual, was criticizing and abusing anyone who had qualms about it. Maybe because he doesn't read 90% of the posters here we could have a civilized discussion about it now.
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
On 11/26/2014 10:09 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: No big deal, Richard. I very much understand his anger and frustration, being put under his own spotlight. His choice, and his consequences.:-) /He does kind of make a large target, Jim, and we have it all in writing - I don't even need to make up stuff about him. LoL!/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/24/2014 4:21 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: */The only sense that I can make of it is that Jim had a total mental breakdown during that period, and actually believed he *was* a woman. /* Maybe it's time for you to just keep your big pie hole shut about Jim. Almost everyone on this forum is pretty fed up with your phoney bullshit, Barry. Do I make myself clear? /Over the years, I saw him levitate, as in sitting in lotus and just lifting up off the chair and hovering there in midair for minutes at a time, sometimes telling a joke the whole time. Or in the desert, he'd just step up off the sand and onto a staircase that wasn't there, and just climb up and down it for a while, several feet above the ground.// - /Barry Wright http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife/yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC
On 11/26/2014 10:10 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: */My output is what it isbecause I am more coherent and a better thinker. /* /HIS BODY TURNED GOLD . . . . . . he began to shrink, then grow to tremendous heights. He raised his arms and a shower of energy rushed down onto us while lines of power pushed up through my spine. His body turned gold, then it turned into a doorway. It became an absence. I felt myself drawn into it and through it into other realities. I felt myself spinning, floating, turning in various directions, then expanding and contracting. - /Uncle Tantra http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The_Last_Incarnation.htm http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The%20Last%20Incarnation.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress'
On 11/26/2014 1:05 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: he left them alone because he was morally bankrupt - a liar, womanizer, thief and con artist and flim flam man. /Good work MJ - this message should really impress the newbies!/ *From:* fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 26, 2014 2:02 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress' Thank you. Yep - Maharishi was probably wise to leave alone any sort of moral precepts, as he wanted the TM technique available as widely as possible, vs. taking on the various religious creeds. As desires become more comprehensive, these enemies must be faced anyway, and resolved, so that further growth is possible. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Fleetwood-Nice quote, the real Jihad is the inner one, though that is accomplished by the inner AND outer disciplines. This is the REAL teaching of Yoga as defined by SBS and loosely referred to by MMY. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Here is Brahmananda Saraswati, talking about the six enemies (aka stress): In truth then victory is really this; for the one who has no risk of inner defeat. In truth, by the suppression only of outer (usual) enemies no one can become permanently victorious; because from those enemies there is no lasting suppression. True knowledge of victory occurs then from obtaining control over internal enemies. Really, only by the permanent subjugation of internal enemies is the subjugation of the external enemy achieved; because the inner enemy gives rise to the creation of the external enemies. The internal enemies are kaama (lust), krodha (anger), lobha (greed), moha (delusion), mada (intoxification) and maatsarya (jealousy). This is really the shhaDarivarga, the group of six inner enemies which create any external enemies of the world; therefore if you wish to experience happiness and peace one must gain victory over all one's gross enemies, then you should cut off the place of birth of the six subtle enemies, kaama (lust), krodha (anger), lobha (greed), moha (delusion), mada(intoxification) and maatsarya (jealousy). Without gaining victory over the shhaDarivarga (group of six enemies) then you cannot completely irradicate the external enemies. This is fixed. This is the proven experience of those who have gained victory over these internal subtle enemies, that if the birthplace of the external enemies becomes destroyed and all enemies have become eradicated then afterwards no enemies remain and in truth this is considered to be a real victory. For him the true and lasting store-house of happiness and peace is opened. Jai Guru Dev ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Doshas aren't stress, in Maharishi's eyes, as far as I know. Samskaras are stress. The term doṣa literally means contamination but I don't think that Maharishi ever used it in that sense. That is more a Buddhist thing to use doṣa to refer to lust, etc.. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Are you beginning to 'get' what MMY was talking about when he was talking about stress? Lust, Anger, Greed to name a few, (the doshas). These, are the sleeping elephants MMY used to talk about in the early days, IMHO.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC
On 11/26/2014 3:20 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Hilarious; from fantasizing about butt fucking babies to: /I felt myself drawn into it and through it into other realities. The Turq is coherent indeed :-)/ ///...turning in various directions, then expanding and contracting./ - Uncle Tantra ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/26/2014 10:10 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: */My output is what it isbecause I am more coherent and a better thinker. /* /HIS BODY TURNED GOLD . . . . . . he began to shrink, then grow to tremendous heights. He raised his arms and a shower of energy rushed down onto us while lines of power pushed up through my spine. His body turned gold, then it turned into a doorway. It became an absence. I felt myself drawn into it and through it into other realities. I felt myself spinning, floating, turning in various directions, then expanding and contracting. - /Uncle Tantra http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The_Last_Incarnation.htm http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The%20Last%20Incarnation.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
On 11/24/2014 5:08 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */Now, now. You don't want to insult dogs, do you? :-)/* /empty shill or turqey? //* */ *From:* emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 12:06 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more I believe that's spelled Pundit Çur.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC
On 11/25/2014 6:51 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: Search Facebook Accounts?? Are you hallucinating, too? I despise Facebook, and would NEVER have an account on there. That site is for overgrown pimply teenagers like yourself, imo. I found your pictures, in five seconds, with the following search string on Google: Barry Wright Leiden polyamory /Maybe Barry should have put a better-looking photo of himself on his Facebook page. He looks really old and grumpy in that photo. Go figure./ Try it.:-) :-) :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */Line on water, or on the ropes? You decide./* */ /* */Seems to me that someone this desperate to defend himself has an awful lot of self to defend./* Ah, but he is speaking from the home of all the laws of nature so that's a lot of extra energy from the unified field to give him a much needed boost when he's flagging. And I think you should cut him some slack, you forget that he's doing spontaneous right action so it isn't like he gets a choice. Personally I feel sorry for him, imagine attaining the highest of the high, the goal of realising your birthright and then you spend all day searching the internet for photo's of people you don't like and putting juvenile captions on them. I don't remember that in the brochure. Jai Guru Dev! Go figure */Thank you so much for pointing this out, Salyavin. Checking the Post Count this morning and realizing exactly *how* obsessed with me Jimbo has become, I had decided to lay off of him anyway, out of compassion. But your interpretation of his actions provides an even more compassionate view of him, and one that flatters *me* as well. /* */ /* */If you are right, he really can't help but obsess on me, because the Laws Of Nature are forcing him to. But if you think it through, for the Laws Of Nature to make an Enlightened One obsess enough on little ol' me to write 40+ posts about me a day, they (the Laws Of Nature) must consider *me* pretty fuckin' important. Are they likely to force an Enlightened One to write 2.5 posts an hour about just anybody? /* */ /* */No way. I must really rock. /* */ /* */And the photos? The Laws Of Nature forced him to search not only my Facebook account, but to search the Facebook accounts of several other people (my FB Friends) to find them. The Laws Of Nature must think I'm pretty important, to force an Enlightened One to violate the privacy of people he's never even met or exchanged posts with. Clearly, /**/I rock even more. /* */ /* */So I'm going to swing behind your interpretation of Jimbo's actions, Sal, and cut him some slack. I'll stop bugging him about pretending to be a woman on FFL for months, because hey!...the Laws Of Nature probably forced him to do *that*, too. They also probably forced him to deny having done it, when he got caught at it. /* */ /* */Interestingly, the most fascinating (and most compassionate) thing about your interpretation of Jimbo's actions, Sal, is that it works *whether he's enlightened or not*. /* */ /* */If I'm wrong and he is enlightened, then /**/*/according to Maharishi /**of course* he has no will of his own and is just acting out the will of the Laws Of Nature. It's *them* doing the creepy stalking, not him. And if I'm right and instead of being enlightened he's just crazier than a bedbug, he *still* has no will of his own. It's the bad chemicals in his brain that are making him do things like stalk people he doesn't like (or know) and pretend to be a woman. Either way -- enlightened or insane -- he's off the hook. /* */ /* */I'm still trying to work out how this works for the *others* who are stalking me, though. Y'know...Richard, Ann, and Steve. They're essentially obsessing on me almost as much as Jimbo is. Does this mean that *they* are enlightened, too, or that they're crazy, too? Curious minds want to know. :-)/* *From:* FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:15 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 11/22/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 11/29/14 00:00:00 378 messages as of (UTC) 11/25/14 00:04:36 *84 fleetwood_macncheese*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened
On 11/24/2014 9:23 PM, feste37 wrote: I agree with Share on this. I remember seeing some posts from enlightened_dawn and never for a moment thought the handle referred to a woman named Dawn. I assumed it was a variation on dawn of the age of enlightenment that MMY used to say, like an enlightened dawn. The idea that the poster was pretending to be a woman is ridiculous. You might as well say that TurquoiseBee is pretending to be a turquoise bee. The alias TurquoiseB was taken by Barry from the Sixth Dalai Lama of Tibet, Tsangyang Gyatso: /He had grown up a youth of high intelligence, liberal to a fault, fond of pleasure, of wine and of women, eventually becoming a drunk and later led a playboy lifestyle. He disappeared near Qinghai, probably murdered, on his way to China in 1706./ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6th_Dalai_Lama http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6th_Dalai_Lama. The Bohemian Poet - A Short Biography of the Sixth Dalai Lama: http://www.kalachakra.org/articles/sixth_dalai.shtml ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : That is one interpretation, but I have started to read some of those old posts. I have not found the part where Jim supposedly says he is a woman as search is really only partially functional in Neo, and not much better in the archive, but Barry ragged on him about it back then. And Jim denied that enlightened_dawn11 was him, and also said, as enlightened_dawn11, that he/she was new to the forum, even though Jim seemed to have been on the forum for about a year before that under his own name. So my research is incomplete, and I will be busy for the next few days, so I do not know when I will have time to read more of that. The exchanges between Barry and Jim back then seem pretty much the way they run now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I've always assumed that Fleetwood's dawn name meant something like enlightened sunrise. *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 4:21 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened */Isn't it fascinating that after all these years Jim Flanegin STILL can't admit that he posed as a woman here on Fairfield Life for several months, posting as enlightened_dawn all that time?/* */ /* */One *really* has to wonder 1) what the fuck he was *thinking* doing that, and for so long, and 2) what is wrong with his supporters that they manage to ignore it. It's really the biggest elephant in the room display of denial and cognitive dissonance in the history of the forum, even bigger than Robin Carlsen trying to continue denying that he'd hit his students, immediately after having admitted it. /* */ /* */The only sense that I can make of it is that Jim had a total mental breakdown during that period, and actually believed he *was* a woman. /* */ /* */When you think about it, that's no weirder than convincing himself he's enlightened./* */ /* */Whatever. Bottom line is that it's probably a good thing he's living way out in the boonies now, where he can't hurt anyone if he has another similar breakdown. /* *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 5:25 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened *From:* anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened. I presume Jim can clarify what this means. */To be honest, I'd rather hear him expostulate on what value posing as a woman for several months had in helping him realize his enlightenment. /* */ /* */Is this a technique he would suggest to other people interested in becoming enlightened? And if so, should they cross-dress only when posting on the Internet, or should they dress in drag when at work, shopping, going to church, and on other occasions?/* */ /* */I think that many who are interested in enlightenment would also be interested in why, once he achieved his enlightenment by pretending to be a woman for so long, he's never admitted to having done it. One would think that an enlightened being who has come up with such an innovative sadhana as Cross-Dressing For Enlightenment would want to talk it up to all who would listen. /* */ /* */What serious seeker would *not* want to know, for example, how Jimbo managed to conceal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Search Facebook Accounts?? Are you hallucinating, too? I despise Facebook, and would NEVER have an account on there. That site is for overgrown pimply teenagers like yourself, imo. I found your pictures, in five seconds, with the following search string on Google: Barry Wright Leiden polyamory Try it.:-) :-) :-) On 11/25/2014 9:01 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, interesting. It turns out the lampshade is a paper hat on his head. /Now this is weird - Barry made fun of the Rajas wearing Burgher King hats, yet Barry wears a paper hat? Is that cognitive dissonance or just plain hypocrisy. or both? Go figure./ Some insights into bawee's life here; he seems nicer when not at FFL. I wonder why that is? The whole subject of polyamory is interesting. Reading about the dad in the family I wonder how willing he would be to share his daughter Maya with outside families - allow her to live and be loved and kept and nourished/raised by other households in the same way he is willing to allow his lovers the same freedoms. He does say that Maya especially is the light of his life, his main love so I would have to wonder if he wouldn't want to hold her much closer to himself in every way, but only he could tell us that. I have lots of ideas about polyamory and I know it has been sort of discussed here but bawee, as usual, was criticizing and abusing anyone who had qualms about it. Maybe because he doesn't read 90% of the posters here we could have a civilized discussion about it now.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Guru Dev's teachings and those of Maharishi
On 11/25/2014 9:26 AM, tkinnes wrote: Paul wonders for example what Maharishi replaced 'Paramatma(n)' with, what word(s) did Maharishi use for Supreme (Highest, Ultimate etc.) Brahman? According to the Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon the Sanskrit word para and paramatma means /Supreme or Absolute Being , the Universal Soul - or the soul of the universe./ http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
On 11/25/2014 11:03 AM, Bhairitu wrote: I would think that you as a conservative would wants the troops home, bases closed and military spending reduced. After all that stuff is big government which you disdain so much.;-) /Almost everyone, liberal or conservative, wants to bring our troops home, close the bases, and reduce the military spending. But, if the U.S. did that, who would defend Europe from the Russians and defend Japan and South Korea from the Chinese and North Koreans? Sometimes you just don't make any sense, Barry2. What would happen if the U.S. didn't honor signed treaties with our allies? I think you know the answer to this already, but I'd like to see your response in writing. Thanks./ On 11/25/2014 06:32 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! *From:* fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
I would think that you as a conservative would wants the troops home, bases closed and military spending reduced. After all that stuff is big government which you disdain so much.;-) /Almost everyone, liberal or conservative, wants to bring our troops home, close the bases, and reduce the military spending. But, if the U.S. did that, who would defend Europe from the Russians and defend Japan and South Korea from the Chinese and North Koreans? / On 11/25/2014 11:51 AM, Bhairitu wrote: // 'Scuse me? Those countries can defend themselves. So, why then are the Ukrainians being invaded by Russian troops? Do you seriously believe that Finland could win a war against the Russians? They've got plenty of money. Not enough to win a war on their own. Thanks to the U.S. and it's military, sent in by the democratic president to save Europe and the Pacific from the Nazis and the Japanese and help rebuild their economy after it was destroyed by the Germans and Japanese war of aggression. You don't seem to be much on history. Go figure. /Germany conquered or controlled much of continental Europe, and formed the Axis alliance with Italy and Japan. In December 1941, Japan attacked the United States and European territories in the Pacific Ocean, and quickly conquered much of the Western Pacific./ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt Why should Americans do it? Because the U.S. signed treaties with our allies in order to help them defend themselves? If the U.S. was to suddenly abrogate our agreements, how long do you think it would take for the Russians to annex all Europe? / / / Sometimes you just don't make any sense, Barry2./ Apprently because I'm talking above your pay grade. /You sound kind of naive about power and idealistic in the extreme. Go figure. / /What would happen if the U.S. didn't honor signed treaties with our allies? I think you know the answer to this already, but I'd like to see your response in writing. Thanks./ You mean the profit making military industrial complex would lose out on a lot of their blood money? /What profit? The U.S. military spends money, not make it. And, why do you suppose the U.S. Congress appropriates money to fund the U.S. military since before 1776?/ On 11/25/2014 06:32 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! *From:* fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
On 11/25/2014 7:02 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: BTW MJ almost all the weapons used by those that we end up fighting bought their weapons( AK 47's and RPGs) from China or former Soviet Union countries. The US and our allies aren't making a penny off of the trouble makers. In fact,we end up barrowing money from China to finance the destructiobn of the weapons they supply to our enemies. /You don't seriously expect someone of MJ's level of intelligence or education to understand something like this do you, Mike?/ *From:* jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 3:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS MJ, Ideally, it's not a good national policy to base an economy solely and exclusively on war and ammunition production. But it is morally defensible to promote justice, freedom and equality in the world. If there is injustice in the world, it is licit to stop the violators of these ideals. The act of stopping the violators may unfortunately result in violence and wars. But this is justifiable because the means and the objective end are both moral and for the common good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being naive. The international community WANTS this situation - war is good for business. The more fighting there is the more money both governments and the arms manufacturers and arms dealers make, not to mention the lobbying groups who lobby the guv'ment on behalf of the arms makers and defense contractors. *From:* jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:55 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! *From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
On 11/25/2014 8:38 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: You don't understand - the arms manufacturers AND all the other vendors who supply everything the army, navy, etc uses make money when these items are used in combat, which is one of the reasons our forces deliberately leave equipment behind when they vacate an area - the vendors and lobbyists pay the politicians to make sure they see to it the military does this and more to insure the government continually buys what the defense contractors sell - this is the military industrial complex Eisenhower spoke of - war is big business, make no mistake. As to your post, it don't mean shit where the Arabs get their arms from as long as our military keeps buying what they need from the American vendor. /YOU don't understand - you helped elect a guy that has absolutely zero experience doing anything. You were sold a pack of lies, and you were dumb enough to believe it. Go figure. / *From:* Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:02 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS BTW MJ almost all the weapons used by those that we end up fighting bought their weapons( AK 47's and RPGs) from China or former Soviet Union countries. The US and our allies aren't making a penny off of the trouble makers. In fact,we end up barrowing money from China to finance the destructiobn of the weapons they supply to our enemies. *From:* jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 3:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS MJ, Ideally, it's not a good national policy to base an economy solely and exclusively on war and ammunition production. But it is morally defensible to promote justice, freedom and equality in the world. If there is injustice in the world, it is licit to stop the violators of these ideals. The act of stopping the violators may unfortunately result in violence and wars. But this is justifiable because the means and the objective end are both moral and for the common good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being naive. The international community WANTS this situation - war is good for business. The more fighting there is the more money both governments and the arms manufacturers and arms dealers make, not to mention the lobbying groups who lobby the guv'ment on behalf of the arms makers and defense contractors. *From:* jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:55 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! *From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC
On 11/25/2014 9:11 PM, anartaxius wrote: I am not sure short sentence verbosity deserves any reward, but I was thinking of you tonight because I made mac and cheese for myself for dinner, plus some broccoli. /My suggestion to you Sir, is to eat less and do more./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Whee! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffl.postcount@... wrote : Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 11/22/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 11/29/14 00:00:00 465 messages as of (UTC) 11/26/14 00:01:35 105 fleetwood_macncheese
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
On 11/24/2014 4:21 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: */The only sense that I can make of it is that Jim had a total mental breakdown during that period, and actually believed he *was* a woman. /* Maybe it's time for you to just keep your big pie hole shut about Jim. Almost everyone on this forum is pretty fed up with your phoney bullshit, Barry. Do I make myself clear? /Over the years, I saw him levitate, as in sitting in lotus and just lifting up off the chair and hovering there in midair for minutes at a time, sometimes telling a joke the whole time. Or in the desert, he'd just step up off the sand and onto a staircase that wasn't there, and just climb up and down it for a while, several feet above the ground.// - /Barry Wright http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife/yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html
[FairfieldLife] It's All About Barry, was A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
On 11/23/2014 8:26 PM, anartaxius wrote: Were I to characterise Barry, I would say he is a terrorist in Beliefland. A belief is the pretence you know something you do not know, an opinion, an idea not supported by facts, unlike an informed belief which is more of an hypothesis that can stand additional testing. Like balloons floating in Disney World, mere beliefs, even if tightly held, are airy ideas that have no substance, and Barry is the pin that attempts to pop the pretence. It is difficult for Barry, or anyone else, to teach others how to abandon their beliefs if they themselves have deep-seated beliefs of their own which conflict with their own pedagogy. We all have beliefs and we all have an ego that we protect. The problem with this teaching style is that it is easy to lapse into hypocrisy. My style of teaching is similar to Barry's - /every statement, when taken to extremes, will be found to be self-contradictory/. The difference being that I /want/ to talk about my own cognitive dissonance and beliefs. For example, a pretense that he witnessed Rama levitate up off of a sofa hundreds of times, is an easy target because it is obviously contrary to common sense, science and even to his own teaching. It was false on it's face and a mistake. Even more so when he is attempting to rid others of their beliefs! In fact, this sort of claim is almost pure self-deception. To be confronted with one's own cognitive dissonance, at least for Barry, seems to be the most terrifying threat possible - to the point that he seems to be almost unable to discuss it with anyone. Barry is the loose pin that unraveled due to his own hubris. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] It's All About Barry, was A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Press conference to proclaim someone Enlightened ? What a joke. The TMO, thankfully, has more dignity than the Turq can ever imagine. They would never ever engage in such circus-activities as this troubled poster suggest. On 11/24/2014 8:46 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Although I didn't read most of what our esteemed colleague wrote below (I caught the gist) I had the same thought as Nabby. It is not the job or the business of the TMO to go around hanging signs around people's necks in order to verify their enlightenment. /By far the biggest fib Barry ever told was his claim that he witnessed REAL levitation. ///I don't know how any adult could possible think that anyone is that stupid -it's just pure hubris. Go figure./ But also right up there was his fib about MMY promising enlightenment in 5-7 years. I am convinced that this is a total fabrication. It doesn't even make common sense - in 1965, there were already hundreds of people that had been practicing TM for over 10 years. These two falsehoods puts Barry into the totally discredited category. / If there is such a thing then perhaps only one's spiritual teacher (if one had one at all) could possibly verify the state of his student's state of consciousness. And whose business is that anyway? Putting labels on people and dressing them up as poster people for the Movement because of their supposed state would be absurd and as far as I'm concerned it is a credit to them that they refrain from this. As Nabby said, What a joke. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved. /* */ /* */If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world. /* */ /* */However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the planet, has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual and said, This is an example of what we are selling. This person is enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell. So it's not exactly likely that they're going to hold such a press conference now. /* */Just think about that 50+-year track record, and how often the TMO has produced someone enlightened. /* */ /* */NEVER. /* */ /* */NOT ONCE. /* */ /* */The TM organization likes to talk about the millions of people who have learned TM. But somehow, *over the course of 50 years*, that same TM organization has NEVER produced *a single person* who it can point to publicly and say that this person has actually succeeded in attaining enlightenment by practicing the fastest path to it. /* */ /* */NOT ONE. /* */ /* */ZERO. /* */ /* */BUPKUS. /* */ /* */So I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for Bevan Morris or John Hagelin or King Tony Nader to come rushing in to support the person Nabby is speaking about and certify or authorize his supposed enlightenment. Not gonna happen. /* */ /* */Therefore his claim is -- and shall remain -- just that, a claim. /* */ /* */Furthermore, it's a claim that NO ONE believes. But that's NOT because of any generalized anger and resentment about the concept of enlightenment itself, or an equally generalized lack of belief that anyone, anywhere can attain it. /* */And I can prove it. /* */ /* */All you have to do is compare the person Nabby is talking about to, say, Adyashanti, a person who *also* claims to be enlightened. LOTS of people seem to believe Adyashanti. He's got a whole *movement* full of people who follow him and buy his books and attend meetings with him because they believe he is enlightened. /* */ /* */So clearly the person Nabby is talking about on this forum does not have the same level of believability as Adyashanti. Heck, he doesn't have the same level of believability as Bill Cosby. /* */ /* */So can you say, Nice straw man argument, Nabby? I think you can. /* */ /* */Better luck next time... :-)/*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Brain-tenna? Unlock your car, by touching your head
On 11/23/2014 10:04 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: California is in pretty good shape fiscally. This is a specious argument, about only taxing the rich here. Real estate costs a small fortune in California, and *everybody* pays a mint in property taxes. It adds up. Contrary to what you say, taxing the rich is not complicated, because their wealth doesn't fluctuate during economic ebbs and flows. In fact, the wealth of the rich always goes up, unlike yours and mine. They can definitely afford to throw more into the coffers. According to what I've read, the top 1% of earners fill the coffers of states like California and New York during a boom—and leave them starved for revenue in a bust. Go figure. /Nearly half of California's income taxes before the recession came from the top 1% of earners: households that took in more than $490,000 a year. High earners, it turns out, have especially volatile incomes—their earnings fell by more than twice as much as the rest of the population's during the recession. When they crashed, they took California's finances down with them./ 'The Price of Taxing the Rich' http://online.wsj.com/articles/ http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704604704576220491592684626 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/23/2014 5:58 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: Corporations DO NOT pay their fair share - It is supposed to be 35 to 40%, but several pay NO taxes at all. They can go incorporate in Liberia, for all I care - Greedy, unpatriotic bastards. I like the idea of a flat tax, but will settle for the letter of the law. PS There is exactly ONE political party in the USA - Quit getting played for a chump. It looks like we are in some agreement. Both political parties are not working in our interest. Bhairitu's idea of a third party makes a lot of sense. In the next presidential election I may vote independent. It's easy to paint taxation with a large brush and to combine notions of individual earned income tax with corporate taxation and the idea of taxing the rich. It's complicated. The problem with taxing the rich is that when the economy is good politicians love it, but when the economy is poor, they hate it - the instability is not a good thing. In California what is needed is a flat tax rate to help stabilize state revenues, according to U.S. Rep Tom McClintock (R., CA). /The working class may be taking a beating from spending cuts used to close a cavernous deficit, Mr. Williams said, but the root of California's woes is its reliance on taxing the wealthy. / http://online.wsj.com/articles/ http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704604704576220491592684626/ /Libertarian Party on Tax Reform:/ // //Government should not incur debt, which burdens future generations without their consent. We support the passage of a “Balanced Budget Amendment” to the US Constitution, provided that the budget is balanced exclusively by cutting expenditures, not raising taxes.// // /http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Libertarian_Party_Tax_Reform.htm /The kid-glove treatment of corporate tax offenders by both parties is exhibit A in America's shift from a functioning democracy to a nascent oligarchy./ http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-biggest-tax-scam-ever http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-biggest-tax-scam-ever-20140827?page=4 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : On 11/23/2014 1:01 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: The current situation is shameful. /Agreed, but the answer is not//in continuing the current tax structure. I am opposed to unfair income taxation. A better idea might be a tax on luxury goods. One of the reason businesses are leaving California and the U.S. is because of unfair corporate taxation./ It is lying with statistics, /The chart was compiled in 2011 by President Obama's Congressional Budget Office (CBO) - it's a non-partisan analysis. It proves that the rich pay almost all of the income tax in the U.S. Do the math.// // //https://www.cbo.gov// /http://www.aei.org/publication/new-cbo-study-shows-rich-dont-just-pay-fair-share-pay-almost-everybodys-share// based on an outmoded tax structure - Let the ultra-wealthy give something back, besides the minimum. The only reason that chart is trotted out, is to quiet those who know they are being screwed, and to appease the very rich. /So, it's an Obama government conspiracy to quiet those who don't pay any income tax? You're not even making any sense
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
On 11/23/2014 10:19 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Damn, nothing like bring the conversation down to earth. I find it both readable and interesting. I think it is one thing to be the devils advocate, which is a means to have someone defend, or clarify their position. It is quite another thing to engage in cavil, cavil: 1. To make petty or unnecessary objections. 2. An objection seen as petty or unnecessary. 3. To find fault unnecessarily; raise trivial objections. 4. To quibble about; detect petty flaws in. 5. A carping or trivial objection. /Barry caviled about Judy's dialog with Robin./ http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cavil http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cavil or at least misrepresentations for the purposes of getting a rise out of people, or really, to just elevate one's point of view. You obviously see the dynamics here differently, which is fine, but at least you've staked out your position, and I respect you for that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Ann, at least took the time to write more than a couple of one liners. I do indeed think Barry makes up stuff to meet his own agenda. Don't we all. Jim makes up all sorts of stuff too. I make up stuff. Most of what others write about Barry, including me is stuff they make up. Our minds are good a fabricating shit. It is a necessary skill in order for it to attempt to figure out the world. I do not see that Jim, for example, is making up less than Barry. One of the primary ways to go after someone's beliefs is to be a contrarian, to deliberately state you think the opposite of what the other guy or gal thinks, even if you do not really believe that. Now this is objectionable to some. I do not object to Barry because I don't see him and other people really as persons, they are objects in my field of experience. On FFL, everyone is a text object in my field of experience. My body is an object in my field of experience. Now calling everyone, you even, as an object does not mean I, in person, will interact with you as if you were an inanimate object. I can hold conversations, more or less. I tend not to like small talk. People here mostly talk about how other people behave, which I find boring. There are few substantive conversations. Curtis is good for a substantive argument. Barry less so, he does not seem to have a lot of patience, so if you want to communicate with Barry, you have to be succinct, not like me, but one or two line retorts like Jim fires off are mindless, they usually show no deep thought. People on the Internet are not necessarily the same as they are in person. Distance and anonymity, the lack of physical contact allows certain darker sides of our personalities shine. Most of what I think of others would probably seem very strange to those others. Jim says certain things about others, and I don't see it at all; Judy did this all the time. Barry does it too. The target of such comments almost invariable say that is not what they think. So the real question, as I see it, is why do we think what we think is true, and so little of what others say they think, especially about us, we think is false? This mismatch of reality among we human beings is rampant. One needs a certain flexibility to deal with it without going nuts. There is a woman here with me; we have very divergent views on many things, often including the nature of enlightenment, but we get along pretty well and have for some time. I make up stuff all the time to puncture her belief system, she calls me a contrarian, but the trick is to make her laugh, to see the absurdity of a position. I doubt very much Barry is as serious about what he says as most people on this forum take things. he has been beaten around by the spiritual con as much as any here, but unlike you, Jim, and others, I think he understands the spiritual con better than most. Barry does repeat many themes many many times. For all I know he could be a computer. There have been experiments on the Internet where a computer program posts to social forums and people think it is a real person. I tend to like people who have good intellects rather than emotional responses. These tend to be people who have much more slack in their belief systems, are willing to consider themselves idiots at times, and to consider the status quo, or the prevailing peer paradigm as potentially bonkers. You seem much more a people person than I am. Also, I like much smaller mammals than you do, ones that can't kill you, and which require low maintenance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : This is a non starter Xeno for one simple and real reason: bawee never speaks to what people actually believe - he simply makes stuff up to fit his own agenda. Consequently you have taken all this time to write a small essay and it
Re: [FairfieldLife] All you need to know about the differences between US and Netherlands
On 11/24/2014 1:26 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */Americans use drones to surveil people they don't like and kill them. /* /* */Barry, sometimes you are so silly it's beyond belief. I sometimes wonder if you are really the offspring of military parents. They must really get a kick out of your comments on the U.S. Armed Forces. They have probably disowned you by now, if not long before. Go figure. */The Dutch use drones to see things they wouldn't normally have been able to see, so they can enjoy them. /* Ten months is a long time to wait for the weather to clear up to take a few photos from a drone. So, I wonder if the Finns are using drones to watch what the Russians are doing? * **'Finland feeling vulnerable amid Russian provocations'* http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/finland-feeling-vulnerable/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/finland-feeling-vulnerable-amid-russian-provocations/2014/11/23/defc5a90-69b2-11e4-bafd-6598192a448d_story.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
On 11/24/2014 4:52 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: God I know, what a ludicrous suggestion. Barry thinks the enlightened people want to be proclaimed and shown off. /If what Barry says is accurate, that's what Rama used to do - show off. The funny thing is that Barry can't fly or levitate, and obviously he is unenlightened - the only show he puts on is on social media. I mean, even if Rama could levitate, what does that prove? Maybe it's easy to impress Barry with stage-show tricks - he does seem to be prone to suggestibility. But, are you really sure Barry is in a waking state - it seems more and more like he is in a maya-like dream state./ /Who would hang around a place for ten months waiting for good weather just to take a snap shot of the sky? Go figure./ Nothing further from the truth. They are already rewarded beyond measure, needing nothing more than what naturally gravitates to them. There is no need for anything, adulation included. They are who they are, and that is pay back enough. Waking state people like Barry, are the ones who dream of being lauded and famous. But that is simply because a person in waking state is needy, and this feeling is transferred to the enlightened person, who is never needy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Press conference to proclaim someone Enlightened ? What a joke. The TMO, thankfully, has more dignity than the Turq can ever imagine. They would never ever engage in such circus-activities as this troubled poster suggest. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved. /* */ /* */If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world. /* */ /* */However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the planet, has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual and said, This is an example of what we are selling. This person is enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell. So it's not exactly likely that they're going to hold such a press conference now. /* */Just think about that 50+-year track record, and how often the TMO has produced someone enlightened. /* */ /* */NEVER. /* */ /* */NOT ONCE. /* */ /* */The TM organization likes to talk about the millions of people who have learned TM. But somehow, *over the course of 50 years*, that same TM organization has NEVER produced *a single person* who it can point to publicly and say that this person has actually succeeded in attaining enlightenment by practicing the fastest path to it. /* */ /* */NOT ONE. /* */ /* */ZERO. /* */ /* */BUPKUS. /* */ /* */So I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for Bevan Morris or John Hagelin or King Tony Nader to come rushing in to support the person Nabby is speaking about and certify or authorize his supposed enlightenment. Not gonna happen. /* */ /* */Therefore his claim is -- and shall remain -- just that, a claim. /* */ /* */Furthermore, it's a claim that NO ONE believes. But that's NOT because of any generalized anger and resentment about the concept of enlightenment itself, or an equally generalized lack of belief that anyone, anywhere can attain it. /* */And I can prove it. /* */ /* */All you have to do is compare the person Nabby is talking about to, say, Adyashanti, a person who *also* claims to be enlightened. LOTS of people seem to believe Adyashanti. He's got a whole *movement* full of people who follow him and buy his books and attend meetings with him because they believe he is enlightened. /* */ /* */So clearly the person Nabby is talking about on this forum does not have the same level of believability as Adyashanti. Heck, he doesn't have the same level of believability as Bill Cosby. /* */ /* */So can you say, Nice straw man argument, Nabby? I think you can. /* */ /* */Better luck next time... :-)/* *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 10:03 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more *I have, and am enlightened. Haven't you been reading what I write?* *This is for obvious reasons the most provocative claim ever posted on FFL. * Though many start TM to have better sleep and improve health the majority of young people including the posters here who tried TM, the idea that enlightenment was easily available to anyone so convincingly put forward by Maharishi was the main reason to start TM. When
Re: [FairfieldLife] German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death
On 11/24/2014 5:12 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: */Yeah, but is there CANNIBALISM after death? /* Apparently Barry believes in metempsychosis* and he even posted a few messages to FFL and AMT describing a few of his past lives. If so, who is to say that Barry isn't eating some of his old friends who got reborn as cattle, pigs or chickens? I could be wrong, but has Barry ever claimed to be a vegetarian? Following this logic he could have eaten his teacher Rama! Although I don't really know what someone would be born as if they had taken their own life - Rama could have been born as a rodent, a mollusk or even slime or some other French food source. It sounds like Barry is having some cognitive dissonance as well as harboring a guilt complex. Go figure. Metempsychosis: noun: plural noun: metempsychoses 1. /The supposed transmigration at death of the soul of a human being or animal into a new body of the same or a different species./ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metempsychosis /* */ */Given the way you were falling all over yourself the other day praising people who practice it, won't you feel let down if you find that there is life after death but that you can no longer chow down on your fellow man? :-)/* */ /* */Also, Nabby, since you know it's gonna come up...do the Space Brothers you and Benny Creme go on about feel the same way about cannibalism that you do? Should we be concerned if (like the Twilight Zone episode) they come bearing a book called To Serve Man? :-) /* */ /* */And when Maitreya (the returned Christ according to some of your own posts) shows up and has to feed the masses the way the original Christ did, is he going to accomplish this by saying, Yea verily I saw unto thee...if thou art hungry, turn and take a big honkin' bite out of the person on your left. :-)/* *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 11:35 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death *Berlin| A team of psychologists and medical doctors associated with the Technische Universität of Berlin, have announced this morning that they had proven by clinical experimentation, the existence of some form of life after death.* *This astonishing announcement is based on the conclusions of a study using a new type of medically supervised near-death experiences, that allow patients to be clinically dead for almost 20 minutes before being brought back to life.* - See more at: German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german-scientists-prove-there-is-life-after-death/#sthash.y9EXFMpd.dpuf image http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german-scientists-prove-there-is-life-after-death/#sthash.y9EXFMpd.dpuf German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german-scientists-prove-there-is-life-after-death/#sthash.y9EXFMpd.dpuf Berlin| A team of psychologists and medical doctors associated with the Technische Universität of Berlin, have announced this morning that they had ... View on worldnewsdailyreport... http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german-scientists-prove-there-is-life-after-death/#sthash.y9EXFMpd.dpuf Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death
On 11/24/2014 5:12 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */Yeah, but is there CANNIBALISM after death? /* Apparently Barry believes in metempsychosis* and he even posted a few messages to FFL and AMT describing a few of his past lives. If so, who is to say that Barry isn't eating some of his old friends who got reborn as cattle, pigs or chickens? I could be wrong, but has Barry ever claimed to be a vegetarian? Following this logic he could have eaten his teacher Rama! Although I don't really know what someone would be born as if they had taken their own life - Rama could have been born as a rodent, a mollusk or even slime or some other French food source. It sounds like Barry is having some cognitive dissonance as well as harboring a guilt complex. Go figure. Metempsychosis: noun: plural noun: metempsychoses 1. /The supposed transmigration at death of the soul of a human being or animal into a new body of the same or a different species./ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metempsychosis /* */ */Given the way you were falling all over yourself the other day praising people who practice it, won't you feel let down if you find that there is life after death but that you can no longer chow down on your fellow man? :-)/* */ /* */Also, Nabby, since you know it's gonna come up...do the Space Brothers you and Benny Creme go on about feel the same way about cannibalism that you do? Should we be concerned if (like the Twilight Zone episode) they come bearing a book called To Serve Man? :-) /* */ /* */And when Maitreya (the returned Christ according to some of your own posts) shows up and has to feed the masses the way the original Christ did, is he going to accomplish this by saying, Yea verily I saw unto thee...if thou art hungry, turn and take a big honkin' bite out of the person on your left. :-)/* *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 11:35 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death *Berlin| A team of psychologists and medical doctors associated with the Technische Universität of Berlin, have announced this morning that they had proven by clinical experimentation, the existence of some form of life after death.* *This astonishing announcement is based on the conclusions of a study using a new type of medically supervised near-death experiences, that allow patients to be clinically dead for almost 20 minutes before being brought back to life.* - See more at: German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german-scientists-prove-there-is-life-after-death/#sthash.y9EXFMpd.dpuf image http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german-scientists-prove-there-is-life-after-death/#sthash.y9EXFMpd.dpuf German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german-scientists-prove-there-is-life-after-death/#sthash.y9EXFMpd.dpuf Berlin| A team of psychologists and medical doctors associated with the Technische Universität of Berlin, have announced this morning that they had ... View on worldnewsdailyreport... http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german-scientists-prove-there-is-life-after-death/#sthash.y9EXFMpd.dpuf Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Many Swami Brahmananda Saraswati discourses are waiting to be published
On 11/22/2014 3:14 PM, Tormod Kinnes wrote: You get a horde of mantras with variants, that is true, but not the Advaitic Smartist system that TM traces its first mantras to, SBS was initiated into the Shankaracharya tradition by his guru, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati of the Upper Kashi. It is incumbent on all Saraswati Swamis to meditate at least twice every day. Everyone already knows this. Brahmananda Saraswati practiced samaya marga of Sri Vidya, according to his biographer. Sri Vidya is a path of internal puja to the deity of the Sri Yantra. There are fifteen bija mantras enumerated in the Saundalahari composed by the Adi Shankara. All the Shankaracharya Advaita sannyasin worship Shakti, this is a fact. According to Shankara's Soundaryalahari, all saanyasins meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati. That's why SBS gave out the Saraswati bija mantra - for people to meditate on. According to Swami Rama, SBS used to meditate just like TMers do today - a meditation that is transcendental. According to Duffy: /This too, is my understanding of Guru Dev's practice as well. ...via mantras and nyasas. I would add that the bija mantras used are the same as the mantras used in TM.../ Works cited: /*The swami is said to have been one of those rare siddhas (accomplished ones) who had the knowledge of Sri Vidya/ Rama, Swami (1999) Himalayan Institute, *Living With the Himalayan Masters*, page 247 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmananda_Saraswati Subject: Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya From: James Duffy Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2003-04-21 12:17:54 PST Read more: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/srividya.htm Swami Brahmananda Sarasvati: Srividya siddha; highly respected Shankaracharya of Jyotirmya pitha, Shankara Matha, Badrinath: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shankaracharya /His disciples included Swami Shantanand Saraswati, Transcendental Meditation founder Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Swami Swaruananda Saraswati and Swami Karpatri. Five months before his death in 1953, he made a will naming his disciple, Swami Shantanand Saraswati as his successor./ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmananda_Saraswati
Re: [FairfieldLife] Many Swami Brahmananda Saraswati discourses are waiting to be published
On 11/22/2014 3:48 PM, Bhairitu wrote: I don't think anyone knows for sure where the beej mantras came from. Those are lost in antiquity and undoubtedly commonly in use even at the time of Shankara. So let's review what we know about the TM bija mantras: The Sankrit word man in Sanskrit means to think and tra, means a tool; bija in Sanskrit means a seed. Bija mantras are seed sounds used as a tools for meditation. So, in TMer practice you just become aware of the seed syllable, experienced just like any other thought; then you add a little fertilizer; you just water the root and enjoy the fruit. It's not complicated. Are we agreed so far? Now we can review the purpose of bija mantra: There are several uses of bija mantras: for purification, acquisition, propitiation, or in some cases, for protection. But, according to Brooks, the most noble use of bija mantras is for spontaneous meditation. Seed-syllables (bijasaras), are the purest form of mantric sound - they do not make a request or praise a God - they are natures purest expression of Being. Now we can consider the history of bija mantra usage: There are no bija mantras mentioned in the Rik Veda - bija mantras came much later during the alchemical phase of the Nath Siddhas, after the rise of Tantric Buddhism in the Indian Gupta period. To sum up: Meditation on a bija mantra seed syllables rather than words, transcends such mundane considerations as semantic meaning. Accordingly, a bija-only mantra meditation is not merely esoteric, but inherently superior. However, bija mantras are not meaningless sounds; everything in the cosmos has meaning. But, bija mantras are non-semantic sounds - they are not words found in any standard Sanskrit lexicon. Bija mantras, by definition, are esoteric. Works cited: *Auspicious Wisdon* The Texts and Traditions of Srividya Sakta Tantrism in South India by Douglas Renfrew Brooks SUNY, 1992 p.95 On the origin of the TM bija mantras: /Bija mantras issued by TM are ''Sri Vidya'' bija mantras. To be fair, I won't go into what they are, but if one listens to all TM mantras, except for 2, they are 2 or 3 syllable, and this is a very important component of the // //technique... / From: Billy Smith Subject: Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: April 22, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/ye8my2 / //You are getting warmer when it comes to understanding TM's origins with your posts regarding the Shankaracharya tradition and its practice of Srividya... / From: James Duffy Subject: Re: TM: Siva Sutra Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.yoga, alt.meditation Date: September 21, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/yjwa2yr
Re: [FairfieldLife] Many Swami Brahmananda Saraswati discourses are waiting to be published
On 11/22/2014 4:51 PM, Tormod Kinnes wrote: There are some sources outside TM, sources that reveal the settings and transmission to Maharishi when he was trained by Guru Dev, benefited by his company, and was asked to bring swift and deep meditation to the masses. /Hariharananda Saraswati, (Karpatri Swami), the disciple of SBS, was also the great expert of Shree Vidya and probably all the present day experts in Varanasi have somehow or the other obtained Shree vidya from him or his pupils./ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri Shree Vidya: /The details of the beliefs vary in different texts, but the general principles are similar to those found in Kashmir Shaivism...The name srividya is also used to refer to a specific mantra used in this tradition having fifteen syllables./ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shri_Vidya
Re: [FairfieldLife] Many Swami Brahmananda Saraswati discourses are waiting to be published
On 11/22/2014 7:13 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Do you know what shaktipat is? The term Shaktipat in Sanskrit means /the transference of psychic energy to another person/ either by means of an initiation, a sacred word or phrase, a mantra, a touch or even a thought or a mere glance. Swami Muktananda was a great teacher of the shakti tradition who used shaktipat on many occasions to initiate his students. The question is, how or why did the Shankara Saraswati tradition adopt the shakti siddha doctrine? According to this tradition, Shankara journeyed to Kamarup - the present Guwahati-in Assam and held a controversy with Abhinava Gupta, the Shakta commentator. Kamarupa is the site of an ancient tantric cult of the Shakti Kamakhya which is located in Assam. It is one of the main Shakti-pithas in the tanric Shakti cult. Shankara supposedly won an important debate with Abhinava. Shankara then went to the Himalayas and built a Mutt at Joshi and a Mandir at Badri and then he then proceeded to Kedarnath higher up in the Himalayas where he became one with the Shakti Devi in 820 A.D. in his thirty-second year. The Sharda Temple, which by tradition was visited by Shankara in his travels, is located in Kishanganga Valley just across the Line of Control in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. The meaning of this tradition story is that Shankara reached the peak of spirituality when he converted to Shaki worship. As it is not possible to visit this shakti peetha, one can visit the famous Saraswathi temple in Basara in Nizamabad district of Andhra Pradesh. Basara is 200 km from Hyderabad. You can read more about the Shakti Pithas here: http://www.srinithyakalyani.org/index.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamakhya Suggested Reading: *Play of Consciousness: A Spiritual Autobiography* by Swami Muktananda, Gurumayi Chidvilasananda and Paul Muller-Ortega SYDA Foundation, 1994 *Secret of the Siddhas* by Swami Muktananda SYDA Foundation, 1994 *The Doctrine of Vibration* An Analysis of the Doctrines and Practices of Kashmir Shaivism by Mark S. G. Dyczkowski State University of New York Press, 1987 *Meditation Revolution* A History and Theology of the Siddha Yoga Lineage by S.P. Sabharathnam and Douglas Brooks Agama Press, 1997
Re: [FairfieldLife] Many Swami Brahmananda Saraswati discourses are waiting to be published
On 11/22/2014 10:20 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: You have no idea what I or anyone else knows about India and your trip or trips there make you no expert. In fact, we don't even know who you are. Go figure. Your time in TM seems to have given you a certain amount of TM similar hubris on your expertise - Apparently /Bhairitu/ was a teacher of TM and studied with a famous tantric for a decade in order to become a tantric acharya. He has been to India and can speak and read Hindi and Sanskrit. He and /emptybill/ are probably the foremost experts on tantric mantra shastra on FFL - they make you look like a piker. perhaps you can give us some John Hagelin style videos of your I'm certain I'm right cuz I been to new Delhi? Non sequitur. Piker: /Someone who bakes bread on a small scale and in an amatuerish fashion. /
Re: [FairfieldLife] How to tell you're in Leiden on a Sunday afternoon in November
Dia de Los Muertos, San Antonio: http://youtu.be/7J8EQa5ST8o On 11/23/2014 6:55 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: St. Nicholas Center ::: The Evolution of Zwarte Piet http://www.stnicholascenter.org/pages/zwarte-piet/ image http://www.stnicholascenter.org/pages/zwarte-piet/ St. Nicholas Center ::: The Evolution of Zwarte Piet http://www.stnicholascenter.org/pages/zwarte-piet/ Everything about St Nicholas: stories, customs, crafts more View on www.stnicholascenter.org http://www.stnicholascenter.org/pages/zwarte-piet/ Preview by Yahoo *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, November 23, 2014 6:50 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] How to tell you're in Leiden on a Sunday afternoon in November */First, get out and take a walk or a bike ride. If you stay inside, you could be anywhere, right?/* */ /* */Now that you're out, do you see gangs of brightly dressed people in black face makeup walking around? Hundreds of them? OK, you're in Leiden./* */ /* */For those of you who have never experienced the Dutch tradition of Sinterklaas and his Zwarte Piet companions, it sounds kinda weird. And it probably is, but the blackface has been part of the tradition since medieval periods, and people aren't about to change it now, even though there have been protests about it for racist reasons./* */ /* */Anyway, it's a lot of fun. Sinterklaas himself arrived yesterday a boat, while thousands of parents and their kids cheered his arrival. The Zwarte Piets are his helpers, sorta like elves but with more clought. If a kid has been good, the Zwarte Piets give them a pepper cookie. If they've been bad, theoretically the Zwarte Piets get to throw the kid into a big sack and take him off to Spain. Don't ask me what happens to the bad kids once they get there...I've never wanted to know./* */ /* */sinterklaas leiden 2014 - Google Search https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1hl=ensite=imghptbm=ischsource=hpbiw=1036bih=560q=sinterklaas+leiden+2014oq=sinterklaas+leidengs_l=img.1.0.0i24l2.1864.9597.0.11575.20.19.1.0.0.0.197.1965.12j7.19.0.cprnk%2Cekomodo%3Dtrue%2Ckpnr%3D100...0...1.1.58.img..1.19.1865.24a8eWIYrQY/* image https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1hl=ensite=imghptbm=ischsource=hpbiw=1036bih=560q=sinterklaas+leiden+2014oq=sinterklaas+leidengs_l=img.1.0.0i24l2.1864.9597.0.11575.20.19.1.0.0.0.197.1965.12j7.19.0.cprnk%2Cekomodo%3Dtrue%2Ckpnr%3D100...0...1.1.58.img..1.19.1865.24a8eWIYrQY sinterklaas leiden 2014 - Google Search https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1hl=ensite=imghptbm=ischsource=hpbiw=1036bih=560q=sinterklaas+leiden+2014oq=sinterklaas+leidengs_l=img.1.0.0i24l2.1864.9597.0.11575.20.19.1.0.0.0.197.1965.12j7.19.0.cprnk%2Cekomodo%3Dtrue%2Ckpnr%3D100...0...1.1.58.img..1.19.1865.24a8eWIYrQY vandaagopstap.nl Intocht Sinterklaas Leiden 502 × 315 - 123k - jpg vandaagopstap.nl Huis van Sinterklaas in Leiden 502 × 315 - 34k - jpg nufoto.nl fullscreen 1024 ×... View on www.google.com https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1hl=ensite=imghptbm=ischsource=hpbiw=1036bih=560q=sinterklaas+leiden+2014oq=sinterklaas+leidengs_l=img.1.0.0i24l2.1864.9597.0.11575.20.19.1.0.0.0.197.1965.12j7.19.0.cprnk%2Cekomodo%3Dtrue%2Ckpnr%3D100...0...1.1.58.img..1.19.1865.24a8eWIYrQY Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Brain-tenna? Unlock your car, by touching your head
On 11/22/2014 11:54 AM, Bhairitu wrote: People sure are desperate for making money so they come up with their weirdest ideas. If there is a future it's going to be VERY, VERY weird. Just think what a nicer world this would be if people didn't have to worry about making money. /Just think what a nicer world this would be if everyone had a job so they could earn some money, so they wouldn't be so desperate./ On 11/22/2014 08:11 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Can't find your car? Hold your key fob up to your head. (Really.) http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/22/7259707/car-key-fob image http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/22/7259707/car-key-fob Can't find your car? Hold your key fob up to your he... http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/22/7259707/car-key-fob It sounds crazy, but it extends its range just a little bit. View on www.vox.com http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/22/7259707/car-key-fob Preview by Yahoo Turn your brain into an antenna, by holding your key fob close to your head...
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On 11/22/2014 2:28 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: Yes, I agree that a larger safety net is necessary, and the bucks for that should come from the ultra wealthy who shirk their national responsibility, by evading taxes. /A new CBO study shows that ‘the rich’ don’t just pay their ‘fair share,’ they pay almost everybody’s share. http://www.aei.org/publication/new-cbo-study-shows-rich-dont-just-pay-fair-share-pay-almost-everybodys-share// Otherwise, we will continue to see the middle class disappear, and be headed for a second revolution, eventually. Part of the issue, is that corporate titans are seen as great visionaries and geniuses, instead of simply being true to their charter, which is to turn as big a profit, as possible, resources and populations be damned. We need real leaders, not Warren Buffet and a bunch of unethical salesmen, running this country. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : One of the ways of doing it would be guaranteed annual income. That's a safety net and keeps people from becoming desperate. In fact the crime reduction it might produce might pay for it. You can look up the different countries implementing it and see how they are going to pay for it. Otherwise limit how much money anyone can have because we're seeing that billionaires are mentally ill and don't deserve the power they wield. Americans are so brainwashed with a Tarzan like capitalism good, socialism bad meme that its difficult to get any decent change and it'll just send us back to the middle ages where there are two classes the extremely wealthy and the extremely poor. Don't stand for it! Nothing brings this out more than than the holiday season or Crassmust. On 11/22/2014 10:20 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, but I don't know how that would be possible. This area I now live in, was a paradise for the natives, for 3,000 years - no inter-tribal warfare, and absolute respect for territorial boundaries. But, they had nothing, and lived entirely off the land. I like my tech, and modern life, and not sure how that would happen, without monetary rewards. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : People sure are desperate for making money so they come up with their weirdest ideas. If there is a future it's going to be VERY, VERY weird. Just think what a nicer world this would be if people didn't have to worry about making money. On 11/22/2014 08:11 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Can't find your car? Hold your key fob up to your head. (Really.) http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/22/7259707/car-key-fob image http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/22/7259707/car-key-fob Can't find your car? Hold your key fob up to your he... http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/22/7259707/car-key-fob It sounds crazy, but it extends its range just a little bit. View on www.vox.com http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/22/7259707/car-key-fob Preview by Yahoo Turn your brain into an antenna, by holding your key fob close to your head...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Brain-tenna? Unlock your car, by touching your head
On 11/22/2014 12:28 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, I agree that a larger safety net is necessary, and the bucks for that should come from the ultra wealthy who shirk their national responsibility, by evading taxes. Otherwise, we will continue to see the middle class disappear, and be headed for a second revolution, eventually. On 11/22/2014 4:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Food prices are climbing very high. The pound of butter I paid $2.99 for at Trader Joes the last time cost me $3.99 the other day. That's a 33% increase. I don't eat beef but the price of hamburger is over $4 now. /It is a fact that prices have gone up, but people need to realize that most of the food they consume is killing them. All the average person really needs in order to be healthy are clean air, pure water, salt, a few simple grains, vegetables, salads and olive oil, and a little fruit. The average person should consume only 1800 calories per day. We have eliminated all dairy and sugar and most carbohydrates from our diet and we've never felt better. ///We try to avoid all refined sugar, corn syrup, corn, potatoes, meat and poultry, eggs, milk and any boxed food at the store. We still have a weakness for chocolate, good wine, and occasional chicken taco when we eat out./ Our food bill is way down! / The riots in Greece were because people could no longer afford food not because they were economic experts. Only a matter of time until riots begin here and the government is trying to be proactive but just the wrong way. /There would be no food riots if everyone ate a sensible diet - most people do not need a lot of beer, wine and tobacco smoke, to which they are addicted, including the Greeks./ Part of the issue, is that corporate titans are seen as great visionaries and geniuses, instead of simply being true to their charter, which is to turn as big a profit, as possible, resources and populations be damned. We need real leaders, not Warren Buffet and a bunch of unethical salesmen, running this country. But being in tech also you know the corporate titans are not the visionaries. They buy small companies started by people who are visionary or accidentally (more often than not) created something visionary. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : One of the ways of doing it would be guaranteed annual income. That's a safety net and keeps people from becoming desperate. In fact the crime reduction it might produce might pay for it. You can look up the different countries implementing it and see how they are going to pay for it. Otherwise limit how much money anyone can have because we're seeing that billionaires are mentally ill and don't deserve the power they wield. Americans are so brainwashed with a Tarzan like capitalism good, socialism bad meme that its difficult to get any decent change and it'll just send us back to the middle ages where there are two classes the extremely wealthy and the extremely poor. Don't stand for it! Nothing brings this out more than than the holiday season or Crassmust. On 11/22/2014 10:20 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, but I don't know how that would be possible. This area I now live in, was a paradise for the natives, for 3,000 years - no inter-tribal warfare, and absolute respect for territorial boundaries. But, they had nothing, and lived entirely off the land. I like my tech, and modern life, and not sure how that would happen, without monetary rewards. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : People sure are desperate for making money so they come up with their weirdest ideas. If there is a future it's going to be VERY, VERY weird. Just think what a nicer world this would be if people didn't have to worry about making money. On 11/22/2014 08:11 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Can't find your car? Hold your key fob up to your head. (Really.) http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/22/7259707/car-key-fob image http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/22/7259707/car-key-fob Can't find your car? Hold your key fob up to your he... http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/22/7259707/car-key-fob It sounds crazy, but it extends its range just a little bit. View on www.vox.com http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/22/7259707/car-key-fob Preview by Yahoo Turn your brain into an antenna, by holding your key fob close to your head...
Re: [FairfieldLife] What we can learn about MMY from Bill Cosby
On 11/23/2014 2:38 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */I think there are interesting parallels in terms of both being stuck in the past and being stuck in denial here. /* For the record, I'm not a Cosby fan and I'm not taking up for him, but it's not as if this is a new breaking story, Barry - you've had a decade or more to post a comment on this subject, but for some reason you had to wait until a black man was accused. Is there some kind of White Rape Privilege going on here? It's also not very fair of you to include MMY in your comment. You failed to mention a few of your favorites: Fred Lenz, Roman Polanski Woody Allen, Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton and Terry Richardson. Go figure. http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/bill-cosby-terry-richardson /I don't think I was ever a starry-eyed TMer, and// //I definitely never thought he had any kind of // //pipeline to any useful knowledge, but I used to // //go to his Friday night talks in L.A. regularly, // //because it was the best place in town for a TM // //guy to get lucky. // // //The women would go and listen to him and get all// //starry-eyed and feel that lower chakra kundalini // //energy flowing, and then they'd go for the first // //non-celibate guy they ran into. Even non-TM guys // //knew about the scene and would go there looking // //to get laid, usually successfully./ - TurquoiseB http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife/yahoogroups.com/msg66703.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg66703.html */ /* */So far, at least 13 women have come forward to say that Bill Cosby drugged and raped them, or at the very least, in some way forced them to have sex with him. Several other voices (some of them male) have confirmed that there was a whole support mechanism in place among Cosby's staff and organization to keep any of these rapes from ever becoming public. /* */ /* */At the same time, the other night at a comedy performance, the audience gave Cosby a standing ovation. /* */ /* */Does anyone else see the parallels here?/* */ /* */- First, how lost in the past do you have to BE to attend a Bill Cosby performance, all these years after he's gone over the hill? That's a clear parallel to people still caring about Maharishi, who is even more over the hill, being...uh...dead, in addition to being discredited. /* */ /* */- Second, for these Cosby True Believers, nothing they've seen in the press or heard seems to bother them. They're still willing to stand and applaud Cosby, either refusing to believe that he could possibly have done any wrong, or refusing to consider using his position of power to rape women wrong. Another clear parallel to what TM True Believers do when new tales of Maharishi screwing his women students come out. They find ways to ignore them completely, so that they can continue idolizing MMY. /* */ /* */- Third, notice what the Cosby True Believers say about these women coming forward. They call them names, Liars! being the least of them, and demonstrate their misogyny with every word. The MMY supporters do the exact same thing, demonizing the women who have had the courage to tell the truth about both how Maharishi seduced them, and then went out of his way to hide it. /* */ /* */All in all, it looks like the behavior of True Believers is equally shameful, whether they're clinging to their illusions about Bill Cosby, or about Maharishi.../* */ /* */A Complete List of the Women Who Have Accused Bill Cosby of Sexual Assault http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/11/21/bill_cosby_accusers_list_sexual_assault_rape_drugs_feature_in_women_s_stories.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_ru/* image http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/11/21/bill_cosby_accusers_list_sexual_assault_rape_drugs_feature_in_women_s_stories.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_ru A Complete List of the Women Who Have Accused Bill Cos... http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/11/21/bill_cosby_accusers_list_sexual_assault_rape_drugs_feature_in_women_s_stories.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_ru The following women have alleged as a matter of public record that Bill Cosby sexually assaulted or raped them. They are listed in the order their allegations becam... View on www.slate.com http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/11/21/bill_cosby_accusers_list_sexual_assault_rape_drugs_feature_in_women_s_stories.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_ru Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Brain-tenna? Unlock your car, by touching your head
On 11/23/2014 1:01 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: The current situation is shameful. /Agreed, but the answer is not//in continuing the current tax structure. I am opposed to unfair income taxation. A better idea might be a tax on luxury goods. One of the reason businesses are leaving California and the U.S. is because of unfair corporate taxation./ It is lying with statistics, /The chart was compiled in 2011 by President Obama's Congressional Budget Office (CBO) - it's a non-partisan analysis. It proves that the rich pay almost all of the income tax in the U.S. Do the math.// // //https://www.cbo.gov// /http://www.aei.org/publication/new-cbo-study-shows-rich-dont-just-pay-fair-share-pay-almost-everybodys-share// based on an outmoded tax structure - Let the ultra-wealthy give something back, besides the minimum. The only reason that chart is trotted out, is to quiet those who know they are being screwed, and to appease the very rich. /So, it's an Obama government conspiracy to quiet those who don't pay any income tax? You're not even making any sense today, Jim.// The federal government’s most intrusive and potentially punitive institution, the IRS, unquestionably worked for Barack Obama’s reelection by suppressing activities by conservative groups.// // //http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-will// http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-will-in-wisconsin-done-in-by-john-doe/2014/10/24/b30ee2ec-5ad8-11e4-b812-38518ae74c67_story.html How is someone worth a billion dollars, going to miss a hundred million or so? /A few million here and a few million there and pretty soon you're talking real money. But, seriously it's not about the money - it's all about the jobs./ The ultra rich use a disproportionate share of the common, and they should pay their fair share, without any tax breaks. /Not sure how you figure rich people paying 90% of all the U.S. income tax is paying their fair share. It sounds more like the rich are the ones being screwed. The only fair income tax would be a flat tax. We are all supposed to be equal under the law, not prejudiced against those that have more. Without the opportunity to be rich people, everyone would be poor. Go figure./ If they did that, and corporations chipped in their fair share, that would be good enough for me. /It's not good enough for me until they reform the tax code and eliminate the IRS and implement a flat tax. A true flat rate tax is a system of taxation where one tax rate is applied to all income with no deductions. //Flat taxes offer simplicity in the tax code, which has been reported to increase compliance and decrease administration costs. A true flat rate tax is a system of taxation where one tax rate is applied to all income with no exceptions. The flat rate would be applied to all taxable income and profits without exception or exemption. // // //It could be argued that under such an arrangement, no one is subject to a preferential or unfair tax treatment. No industry receives special treatment, large households are not advantaged at the expense of small ones, etc. // // //Moreover, the cost of tax filing for citizens and the cost of tax administration for the government would be further reduced, as under a true flat tax only businesses and the self-employed would need to interact with the tax authorities./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/22/2014 2:28 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: Yes, I agree that a larger safety net is necessary, and the bucks for that should come from the ultra wealthy who shirk their national responsibility, by evading taxes. /A new CBO study shows that ‘the rich’ don’t just pay their ‘fair share,’ they pay almost everybody’s share. http://www.aei.org/publication/new-cbo-study-shows-rich-dont-just-pay-fair-share-pay-almost-everybodys-share// Otherwise, we will continue to see the middle class disappear, and be headed for a second revolution, eventually. Part of the issue, is that corporate titans are seen as great visionaries and geniuses, instead of simply being true to their charter, which is to turn as big a profit, as possible, resources and populations be damned. We need real leaders, not Warren Buffet and a bunch of unethical salesmen, running this country. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : One of the ways of doing it would be guaranteed annual income. That's a safety net and keeps people from becoming desperate. In fact the crime reduction it might produce might pay for it. You can look up the different countries implementing it and see how they are going to pay for it. Otherwise limit how much money anyone can have because we're seeing that billionaires are mentally ill and don't deserve
Re: [FairfieldLife] Brain-tenna? Unlock your car, by touching your head
On 11/22/2014 2:11 PM, Bhairitu wrote: One of the ways of doing it would be guaranteed annual income. /What would be the incentive to work if there was a guaranteed annual income?/ That's a safety net and keeps people from becoming desperate. In fact the crime reduction it might produce might pay for it. You can look up the different countries implementing it and see how they are going to pay for it. /You are not even making any sense. How would everyone being poor reduce the crime rate? In an ideal world, everyone would be rich, not poor - there would be no crime because everyone would have all they want, so there would be no reason to steal. / /But, we don't live in an ideal world yet, so we have to be practical and earn money ourselves and not depend on the government./ Otherwise limit how much money anyone can have because we're seeing that billionaires are mentally ill and don't deserve the power they wield. /Non sequitur. There is no evidence that being a billionaire would indicate a person was mentally ill. The richest man on the planet, Bill Gates, gives away millions of dollars every day to help people. Most rich Americans are the biggest donors to charity and good causes./ Americans are so brainwashed with a Tarzan like capitalism good, socialism bad meme that its difficult to get any decent change and it'll just send us back to the middle ages where there are two classes the extremely wealthy and the extremely poor. Don't stand for it! /If my plan is implemented there will be plenty of work for everyone, making good money so they can buy what they need and pay their own way./ Nothing brings this out more than than the holiday season or Crassmust. /You're not even making any sense: without a job to earn money there would be no gifts to give. You are just being negative and showing your prejudice - t//he whole idea of Christmas is to give./ On 11/22/2014 10:20 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, but I don't know how that would be possible. This area I now live in, was a paradise for the natives, for 3,000 years - no inter-tribal warfare, and absolute respect for territorial boundaries. But, they had nothing, and lived entirely off the land. I like my tech, and modern life, and not sure how that would happen, without monetary rewards. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : People sure are desperate for making money so they come up with their weirdest ideas. If there is a future it's going to be VERY, VERY weird. Just think what a nicer world this would be if people didn't have to worry about making money. On 11/22/2014 08:11 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Can't find your car? Hold your key fob up to your head. (Really.) http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/22/7259707/car-key-fob image http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/22/7259707/car-key-fob Can't find your car? Hold your key fob up to your he... http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/22/7259707/car-key-fob It sounds crazy, but it extends its range just a little bit. View on www.vox.com http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/22/7259707/car-key-fob Preview by Yahoo Turn your brain into an antenna, by holding your key fob close to your head...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Brain-tenna? Unlock your car, by touching your head
On 11/23/2014 2:50 PM, Bhairitu wrote: I was reading an article about Amazon in Seattle this morning and how Jeff Bezos is a libertarian and we know how cruel that thinking is. it's sink or swim, I've got mine and to hell with everyone else. /Nobody on this forum today seems to be making any sense to me today. Why should I depend on you or the government, an authority or anyone else, to tell me what I should be doing or thinking with my free will? I am the owner of myself and nobody else - I should be able to pursue free market economics if I want to./ Not only that you probably noticed that the previously apolitical software programmers decided that libertarianism was the cat's meow back in the 1990s. Society is doomed with that kind of thinking. It's very Dickensonian. /Libertarianism is //the rejection of dogma, its deliberate avoidance of rigidly systematic theory, and, above all, its stress on extreme freedom of choice and on the primacy of the individual judgment. / Are rich really that stupid? /You in fact, just posted libertarian ideas today. Go figure. / //Woodcock, George (2004). */Anarchism: A History Of Libertarian Ideas And Movements/**. Peterborough*, Ont.: Broadview Press. p. 16. / / Must be or wealth has fogged their minds and they are one pointed about one thing: making more money even though they have plenty already. They are destroying society. Not that this is anything new it has happened before and regardless of what we try to do history just repeats itself. The article on Amazon: http://www.geekwire.com/2014/commentary-amageddon-seattles-increasingly-obvious-future/ I was last in Seattle in 2007 and it has lost it's charm. Downtown looked like something out of Bladerunner. On 11/23/2014 11:01 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The current situation is shameful. It is lying with statistics, based on an outmoded tax structure - Let the ultra-wealthy give something back, besides the minimum. The only reason that chart is trotted out, is to quiet those who know they are being screwed, and to appease the very rich. How is someone worth a billion dollars, going to miss a hundred million or so? The ultra rich use a disproportionate share of the common, and they should pay their fair share, without any tax breaks. If they did that, and corporations chipped in their fair share, that would be good enough for me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/22/2014 2:28 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: Yes, I agree that a larger safety net is necessary, and the bucks for that should come from the ultra wealthy who shirk their national responsibility, by evading taxes. /A new CBO study shows that ‘the rich’ don’t just pay their ‘fair share,’ they pay almost everybody’s share. http://www.aei.org/publication/new-cbo-study-shows-rich-dont-just-pay-fair-share-pay-almost-everybodys-share// Otherwise, we will continue to see the middle class disappear, and be headed for a second revolution, eventually. Part of the issue, is that corporate titans are seen as great visionaries and geniuses, instead of simply being true to their charter, which is to turn as big a profit, as possible, resources and populations be damned. We need real leaders, not Warren Buffet and a bunch of unethical salesmen, running this country. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : One of the ways of doing it would be guaranteed annual income. That's a safety net and keeps people from becoming desperate. In fact the crime reduction it might produce might pay for it. You can look up the different countries implementing it and see how they are going to pay for it. Otherwise limit how much money anyone can have because we're seeing that billionaires are mentally ill and don't deserve the power they wield. Americans are so brainwashed with a Tarzan like capitalism good, socialism bad meme that its difficult to get any decent change and it'll just send us back to the middle ages where there are two classes the extremely wealthy and the extremely poor. Don't stand for it! Nothing brings this out more than than the holiday season or Crassmust. On 11/22/2014 10:20 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, but I don't know how that would be possible. This area I now live in, was a paradise for the natives, for 3,000 years - no inter-tribal warfare, and absolute respect for territorial boundaries. But, they had nothing, and lived entirely off the land. I like my tech, and modern life, and not sure how that would happen, without monetary rewards. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
On 11/23/2014 12:51 PM, emptybill wrote: I just wanna know who gets which title? On this forum anyone can pretty much choose their own title or alias. For example, I am the /Master Pundit/, because I like punditry. You chose /emptybill/ for your title, but you are hardly empty of opinions. Go figure. You tried to give me the title of /Professor/, but I am not an educator. So, you can address me as /Pundit Sir. /
Re: [FairfieldLife] Thoughts and Chai in the Morning
On 11/23/2014 2:01 PM, jr_esq wrote: Good mornin' to ya'll, Good evening. It's an overcast day out here in my neck of the woods, a nice respite from the needed rain we had last Thursday and Friday We had rain last night and today it is clear and warm. How many of you have tried a packaged chai in the morning? I bought two boxes of this cardamon chai at a Muslim Indian grocery store in Berkeley, CA last week. The chai is just a good as the one you'd get at an Indian restaurant. We used to enjoy prepared hot /chai/ in the morning, or anytime for that matter. We can't consume it much anymore since I am diabetic and Rita is on a diet. Now I have to drink my coffee black, so we only buy beans at Whole Foods and grind them ourselves. I wonder how old those beans are? We can't stand cheap coffee anymore. A friend of ours drives across town just to get fresh-roasted beans that are only one hour old if you get there in the morning. Go figure. Here is a nice recipe for home brewed /chai /from Epicurious: Ingredients: / Filtered water; Darjeeling black tea leaves; cardamon pods, ginger, cinnamon, black peppercorns, whole cloves, brown sugar; and whole milk./ Directions: / Combine the ingredients by lightly crushing using a mortar and pestle and place in a saucepan. Add and bring to a boil on high heat; reduce heat and cover and let simmer for 10 minutes. ///Place the tea leaves in a strainer. Immerse the strainer full of leaves in the tea cup full of the ingredients mixture and steep for a few minutes. Remove the strainer filled with the tea leaves and add milk and sugar to taste and whisk for a few minutes. Serve hot in a cup or mug./Enjoy. /http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Homemade-Chai-201226/ /Thoughts on the word /chai:/ /Camellia sinensis/, from the Madarin Chinese word for tea (cha) which was invented in China as a medicinal drink back in the 10th century B.C. The word /chai/ comes from the Persian which was derived from Mandarin Chinese, which passed overland to Central Asia and Persia on the Silk Road, where it picked up the Persian grammatical suffix -yi before passing on to Russian, Arabic, Urdu, Turkish, and Indian languages. I couldn't find this brand at Safeway or other supermarket in my neighborhood. But there is a small Indian grocery store at the Fillmore District which sells the same product... For the naysayers here, you should know that Lindsay Lohan has also taken up TM. That's probably understandable since she has worked for Oprah Winfrey, an ardent TMer. I saw this from a video clip of Ellen Degeneris Show last night. She too is a meditatorThere appears to be a tacit connection here with the TMO... /Everyone seems to be getting into the TM these days./ It was nice to see the Raiders win a football game last Thursday. They might win another game or two. But in the end, they would still have a losing season... This afternoon the 49ers take on RG3 and the Redskins. The Niners are favored to win. They could probably make the playoffs. But there is still a lingering rumor that Coach Harbaugh might jump ship to another team after the season is over... Meanwhile, a violin player is playing a blissful tune on the radio...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Brain-tenna? Unlock your car, by touching your head
On 11/23/2014 5:58 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: Corporations DO NOT pay their fair share - It is supposed to be 35 to 40%, but several pay NO taxes at all. They can go incorporate in Liberia, for all I care - Greedy, unpatriotic bastards. I like the idea of a flat tax, but will settle for the letter of the law. PS There is exactly ONE political party in the USA - Quit getting played for a chump. It looks like we are in some agreement. Both political parties are not working in our interest. Bhairitu's idea of a third party makes a lot of sense. In the next presidential election I may vote independent. It's easy to paint taxation with a large brush and to combine notions of individual earned income tax with corporate taxation and the idea of taxing the rich. It's complicated. The problem with taxing the rich is that when the economy is good politicians love it, but when the economy is poor, they hate it - the instability is not a good thing. In California what is needed is a flat tax rate to help stabilize state revenues, according to U.S. Rep Tom McClintock (R., CA). /The working class may be taking a beating from spending cuts used to close a cavernous deficit, Mr. Williams said, but the root of California's woes is its reliance on taxing the wealthy. / http://online.wsj.com/articles/ http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704604704576220491592684626/ /Libertarian Party on Tax Reform:/ // //Government should not incur debt, which burdens future generations without their consent. We support the passage of a “Balanced Budget Amendment” to the US Constitution, provided that the budget is balanced exclusively by cutting expenditures, not raising taxes.// // /http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Libertarian_Party_Tax_Reform.htm /The kid-glove treatment of corporate tax offenders by both parties is exhibit A in America's shift from a functioning democracy to a nascent oligarchy./ http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-biggest-tax-scam-ever http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-biggest-tax-scam-ever-20140827?page=4 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/23/2014 1:01 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: The current situation is shameful. /Agreed, but the answer is not//in continuing the current tax structure. I am opposed to unfair income taxation. A better idea might be a tax on luxury goods. One of the reason businesses are leaving California and the U.S. is because of unfair corporate taxation./ It is lying with statistics, /The chart was compiled in 2011 by President Obama's Congressional Budget Office (CBO) - it's a non-partisan analysis. It proves that the rich pay almost all of the income tax in the U.S. Do the math.// // //https://www.cbo.gov// /http://www.aei.org/publication/new-cbo-study-shows-rich-dont-just-pay-fair-share-pay-almost-everybodys-share// based on an outmoded tax structure - Let the ultra-wealthy give something back, besides the minimum. The only reason that chart is trotted out, is to quiet those who know they are being screwed, and to appease the very rich. /So, it's an Obama government conspiracy to quiet those who don't pay any income tax? You're not even making any sense today, Jim.// The federal government’s most intrusive and potentially punitive institution, the IRS, unquestionably worked for Barack Obama’s reelection by suppressing activities by conservative groups.// // //http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-will// http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-will-in-wisconsin-done-in-by-john-doe/2014/10/24/b30ee2ec-5ad8-11e4-b812-38518ae74c67_story.html How is someone worth a billion dollars, going to miss a hundred million or so? /A few million here and a few million there and pretty soon you're talking real money. But, seriously it's not about the money - it's all about the jobs./ The ultra rich use a disproportionate share of the common, and they should pay their fair share, without any tax breaks. /Not sure how you figure rich people paying 90% of all the U.S. income tax is paying their fair share. It sounds more like the rich are the ones being screwed. The only fair income tax would be a flat tax. We are all supposed to be equal under the law, not prejudiced against those that have more. Without the opportunity to be rich people, everyone would be poor. Go figure./ If they did that, and corporations chipped in their fair share, that would be good enough for me. /It's not good enough for me until they reform the tax code and eliminate the IRS and implement a flat tax. A true flat rate tax is a system of taxation where one tax rate is applied to all income with no deductions. // //Flat taxes offer
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
On 11/22/2014 1:52 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */Just checking, John. Is there something weird going on with your Jyotish chart that is preventing you from apologizing to me for calling me a liar, and then encouraging others to pile on and also call me one? /* / It has already been established that you fib a lot - you told a whopper about witnessing Rama levitate for REAL. It would probably be a good thing for you to just keep your big lie hole shut about anyone lying or being dumb. * */ */Now that I've proved that you *were* dumb enough to suggest that a noted atheist was angry at God (a God he doesn't believe exists), doncha think you should admit having said it?/* */ /* */Now that I've also proved that *YOU* were the person lying when you claimed it wasn't true and that I was lying about you having said it, doncha think you owe me an apology?/* */ /* */Also, doncha think a word or two admonishing the others who piled on to your lie might be in order?/* */ /* */If not, and you choose to remain silent, should we assume that you're failing to 'fess up and apologize because:/* */ /* */1. You believe in God, and that allows you to lie any time you feel like it,/* */ /* */2. You believe in Jyotish, so you can make up some excuse from the stars for why you can't act with integrity, /* */ /* */3. You're just a dick, or/* */ /* */4. All of the above./* */ /* */The lurking reporters and I await your response... :-)/* *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 9:53 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!! */Ahem. /* */ /* */See https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/398619/**/, which contains the following, in an exchange with Salyavin about Stephen Hawking: /* *--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : * *Do you think he's angry at God because he lost his ability to speak and walk?* */ /* */ /* */I'll wait for your apology... :-)/* *From:* jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:00 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!! Hey, Barry You're completely clueless. I've never said anything close to the one you quoted in this thread. You're living in delusion, dude. Perhaps you can learn something from Dubya, as shown here: Frank Caliendo bush collection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evIdgL8mJPM image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evIdgL8mJPM Frank Caliendo bush collection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evIdgL8mJPM lol. please rate and comment. View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evIdgL8mJPM Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/20/2014 9:17 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: Dear Turq's secretary, please forward the following response (and his choice of puppy chow), to our common acquaintance: So, the bottom line is that being in an enlightened state is a subjective state that defies any material proof. Having said that, someone, anyone, please explain to me what Barry meant when he posted this message below, because now I'm getting confused and you don't want to confuse the willytex. /I cannot expect anyone else to believe that these experiences had anything to do with enlightenment. And I don't. Also, I might interpret the experiences in my own way, but that doesn't mean that anyone else hearing them can't, and won't, interpret them differently. That they do so doesn't mean that they're attacking me, merely that they see things a different way, from another point of view. - /TurquoiseB http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg96217.html Buck is not envious of me, nor is anyone else on this forum, except YOU. :-) :-) :-) The question (for you) is, WHY? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : */Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be envious of him. /* */ /* */Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, I'll pass, thanks. :-) :-) :-)/* *From:* dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here. On 11/22/2014 1:55 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. /So, it's all about Willytex - but do you have to be so mean?// // //You can call me anything you want, if that helps you dehumanize me for the purpose of starting a dialog. But, just for the record, my alias is Pundit Sir and my name is Richard. / Just try simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service. /You sound scared, but maybe it's just your prejudice that I'm addressing. Now that I've got your attention, why do you come across as prejudiced and bigoted?/ If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it. After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure. /Non sequitur./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
On 11/22/2014 3:29 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */Well said, Sal. /* */ /* */My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink it, of course. :-)/* How much would you be willing to wager? /* */ */But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not many, and only for a second or two. /* How much would you be willing to wager - do you have a PayPal account? */ /* */After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. /* So, it's all about Richard and not about your cognitive dissonance.Go figure. /* */ *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ** ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here. I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service. If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it. After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure. Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. Every day. Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not. It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've got brand new tires. *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet. /For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's his game. Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says//- he's never accomplished a damn thing, so far as I can tell./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
[FairfieldLife] Cognitive Dissonance, was Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
On 11/22/2014 2:44 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */Cephus is very much *not* just setting up straw men. He has been very active for many years on atheist chat groups, where one commonly sees *every single one* of the dumb behaviors he lists being demonstrated by idiotic Chrisschuns /* / /You sound very prejudiced against certain religious groups. Your intolerance and prejudiced opinions count as nothing in my book, Barry. First, you came for the Jews - next you'll be going after all the gays and lesbians, the cross-dressers, trans-sexuals, and trans-genders. You're starting to sound like an old, mean and bigoted skin-head biker. Go figure../ //* */ */who descend on such groups to try to convert the heathens. *Out of context*, his article may seem to be a straw man argument, but if you had spent any time on such forums, you would know how spot-on his descriptions of common anti-atheist rhetoric are. /* */ /* */As for the distinction between how a modern-day British person might feel about religion vs. how Americans might feel, there is a grain of truth in what you say, but only a grain. Modern-day British Catholics seem just as insane to me as Catholics in other parts of the world, for example. /* */ /* */I think you're cherry-picking arguers for the existence of God to make it appear as if the ones you LIKE are more common than they are. I could do the same thing, quoting Christians I actually LIKE such as Bruce Cockburn or G.K. (Seriousness is not a virtue) Chesterton. But they're exceptions. You are not likely to find their equals among the many people trying to sell their God on the Internet. Almost by definition, anyone zealous enough to try to *convert* someone else to a belief in God has left reason and rationality behind and is working from a platform of elitism and emotion. (IMO, of course.) /* */ /* */My idea of a *civilized* discussion about the existence of God would be as follows:/* */- Person 1: I believe God exists./* */- Person 2: I believe that no such being as God exists./* */- Person 1: OK, nice talking to you./* */- Person 2: Yup. See you round./* */ /* */That's it. It's about BELIEF, so there is really nothing more to be said, or any point in trying./* // It's really none of your business what anyone else believes, Barry. You should probably working on your own cognitive dissonance: /I've seen him project the double, as described in the Castaneda books. One of him was standing a few feet in front of me and another one was up on top of the mountain we were in front of, waving./ - TurquoiseB */As for your speculations about some trying event in my past w.r.t. religion, Bzt, thanks for playing, but you're wrong. I was never raised religious, and never spent much time around anyone religious (other than TM Neo-Hindus). For that matter, I've never spent any time around atheists, either, because as I suggest above I don't see any point in arguing about something that is purely a matter of belief and that can never be resolved. /* *//* */What I'm on about is a set of very common behaviors one tends to see on the Internet among those who feel the need to push their God agendas on others. You are probably correct that when I rail against such people I may be ignoring the 1% (or fewer) believers who actually have some intelligence, but so be it. It's the 99% I'm talking about, and to. If you don't consider yourself part of them, just don't read my stuff. /* *From:* s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:16 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... This Cephus is just setting up a straw man; then knocking him down and feeling pleased with himself. Just take a look at Richard Dawkins debating with the (former) Archbishop of Canterbury at Oxford University. You may or may not think that Dawkins has the better of Rowan Williams but Williams is clearly *not* stupid and doesn't employ any of the ten statements that Cephus castigates. One issue that strikes me about the difference between Barry and myself is that he's American; I'm English. And what kind of difference would that be? Well, in the USA, religion (including fundamentalist versions) is big - indeed it's big business. In the UK, religion is now marginal. It conjures up images of well-meaning but ineffectual Anglican vicars with little input into current societal changes. To me religion is harmless - rather sweet perhaps. To Barry the mention of religion triggers memories of some unresolved trauma from his childhood or adolescence. To Barry it's all about visceral emotion; to me it's all about sweet reason and nuanced reflection. Here's Dawkins/Williams in civilized debate . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs ---In
Re: [FairfieldLife] Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
On 11/21/2014 6:08 AM, Share Long wrote: Ok, if it doesn't matter whether or not there's a God, then a genuinely interesting question is: why do people go on and on about it? What is really going on in all these supposedly intellectual conversations? What are people really attempting to accomplish by such posts and exchanges? /It's actually very simple, Share - trolls send duplicitous messages to discussion groups in order to get angry responses./ *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 5:24 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... */One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) /* */ /* */But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect.../* */ /* 10 Stupid Things Theists Say to Atheists http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/2013/10/09/10-stupid-things-theists-say-atheists/ October 9, 2013 by Cephus http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/author/admin/ http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/author/admin/ Say Something Stupid http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Say-Something-Stupid.jpg As atheists, we see this kind of thing all the time, really absurd things that are said to us by theists in the midst of a debate or discussion that leave us rolling our eyes. This really isn’t intended so much for the atheist, but for the theist, who really needs to understand that none of these things are going to convince anyone of the validity of their arguments. Maybe that’s okay with them, but maybe, just maybe, they never realized just how pointless any of the following statements actually are. It leaves me wondering if theists are really debating to come to a mutually agreeable conclusion, or if they’re just “debating” to hear themselves talk or see themselves type. And so, in no particular order, these are ten statements that I see routinely from theists that are simply not helping your case, and why. 10. /*I’ll pray for you…* / This is totally and completely useless. If you really feel the need to talk to yourself about us, I suppose it’s your time to waste, but this statement really comes off as a final flip of the finger to the atheist when the theist has run out of other arguments. It’s essentially “I’m still right, so there!” It appears to be childish, even if it’s sincere. We don’t want you to pray for us, we want you to be able to defend your beliefs. Maybe you should spend more time worrying about that. 9. /*The Bible says… * /We don’t care what the Bible says. In fact, we probably know the Bible better than you do and not only the Bible, but many other religious texts as well. Often, that’s why we’re atheists, because we had the courage and commitment to read the Bible and think about what it actually says. We don’t limit our knowledge to the words on the page though, we often know why it’s there, where it came from and how it came to be accepted by your religion. We’ve engaged in higher criticism of your religious text and can almost certainly show how and why your book isn’t trustworthy. Don’t pretend we’re not well-versed in what your book says, we are. 8. /*This website says… * /This is probably even worse than the previous statement because not only does it show that you think we’re not well-versed in all of the standard apologetic arguments, it demonstrate that you are not. If the best you can do is grab a claim off some apologist’s website or YouTube video, there’s really no point in talking to you because clearly, you don’t understand the argument well enough to present your own take on it. I don’t care what William Lane Craig says, I’m not debating William Lane Craig, I’m debating you. Make your own arguments and understand what you’re saying because I absolutely will attack the argument and expect you to defend it. 7. /*You can’t prove God doesn’t exist… * /No I can’t, it’s not my job to do so. It’s yours. You’re the one claiming that God is real, it rests solely on your shoulders to prove it. After all, you can’t prove that Krishna doesn’t exist, does that mean that the Hindus are right and Krishna does? You can’t prove that unicorns exist, does that make them real? The burden of proof is always on the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A complete list of Turquoiseb's supporters on Fairfieldlife
On 11/22/2014 5:39 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Dear Awoelflebater, It seems true that some of the negativity written here rises to the level of terrorism with intent. Delicate flower, Gird on thy Spiritual Armor and have shields up as you venture forth in FFL. Have a nice day, -Buck /Does anyone else wonder what kind of computer software Buck is using to post these messages? Go figure./ awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yes, I am perplexed when someone says they find [Turq's] perspectives interesting or thought provoking. It is a simple formula he uses here, over and over and over, again: 1. Take a conventional view. (ex: belief in God) 2. Simplify it, to the point of absurdity. (ex: God is an old man who tells us what to do) 3. Accuse forum members of being gullible idiots, and guilty of believing in the straw man just created. 4. Pontificate about why you are superior, because you don't believe in the straw man. Anyone impressed by this behavior, simply leaves me speechless. Good synopsis. Here is my problem. You try and engage and you get slapped around. You decide he is not anyone interested in engaging - he simply likes to do all of the above. So you ignore him but then he dominates the place with more and more outrageous fabrications, lies and just plain odious posts that are not only too many in number but so bloody repetitive. I don't mind disagreement and alternate viewpoints and additions to a conversation if someone could at least make it INTERESTING. But no, he just blathers on and on with the same old formula as you so clearly posted above. Then you get the bleeding heart who insists he is just a wounded bear and requires compassion despite the fact that all he does is abuse her and she takes it like that is going to heal him in some way. It really does give one pause and I ask myself every single day why I continue to log on here. So many good people have left for perfectly good reasons which include what I have just written about. But for now I remain for the occasional nugget of interest and because I genuinely like a few of you here and you bring reason and sanity back for short periods of time. I am now going back to try and ignore what is virtually unignorable - think of it not as compassion but as common sense and self preservation of my delicate mental state!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
On 11/22/2014 6:34 AM, Share Long wrote: turq, huh?! How can Richard stalk and abuse you if you put his posts in a Folder and instruct your Folder Secretary to not show them to you? /Barry actually didn't say he filtered my messages into a folder, Share - //he said he kill-filed me, meaning he doesn't even see them unless they are included in another reply. He doesn't take criticism very well - maybe he is scared. He is a complicated character to figure out. He probably hates me now for exposing his deep cognitive dissonance, but he did ask for feedback //and invited us to read his Rama web site./ ! And fyi, I would miss Richard if he wasn't here and I bet there are others who feel the same. And I hope you can be more at peace with your emotions about Richard. *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 22, 2014 3:29 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... */Well said, Sal. /* */ /* */My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink it, of course. :-)/* */ /* */But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not many, and only for a second or two. /* */ /* */After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. /* *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ** ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here. I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service. If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it. After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure. Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. Every day. Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not. It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've got brand new tires. *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet. /For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. The guy has been
[FairfieldLife] Go Figure, was Good article by someone
*/But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not many, and only for a second or two. /* */ /* */After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. /* I suspect everyone will be as curious as me to find out what he's really like, he plays his cards so close to his chest it's hard to see the humanity beneath. Or maybe he really does only speak in one sentence missives with a go figure at the end. Perhaps it's a Texan thing we didn't know about? On 11/22/2014 9:34 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */Actually, he stole Go figure from me. He read it in Road Trip Mind and has been using it ever since. /* /* */So how exactly, would Barry be knowing what I said in an internet discussion group? Obviously he is is mistaken - I started using that phrase on May 5, 2001 on Google Groups. Everyone already knows that. Excerpt from my essay entitled Bon:/ Later, the Walla asked Dr. Moore, Professor of Psychology, if the so-called Manchurian Candidate, i.e. brainwashing hypothesis, was supported by modern social scientists, to which the doctor replied I haven't seen that movie yet. Go figure. /Thread: Bon Subject: A knowledge that is next to nil Author: willytex/ /Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Cinco de Mayo, 2001/ http://tinyurl.com/kcqbacb **/
[FairfieldLife] It's All About Willytex, was Good article by someone [1 Attachment]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */Well said, Sal. /* */ /* */My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink it, of course. :-)/* /* */On 11/22/2014 8:52 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I think we should organise one, be fascinating to see what everyone is really like and if we mix like sociable humans or gather into predictable corners or start fighting over whether Erich Von Daniken is a better scientist than John Hagelin. And I'd sit down for a pint with Judy any day! */ /* */But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not many, and only for a second or two. /* */ /* */After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. /* I suspect everyone will be as curious as me to find out what he's really like, he plays his cards so close to his chest it's hard to see the humanity beneath. Or maybe he really does only speak in one sentence missives with a go figure at the end. Perhaps it's a Texan thing we didn't know about? /The reason I posted photos of my face to FFL was so other informants could see what I look like, so it's not like I was trying to hide anything. Years ago John Manning ripped off a photo of my face and posted it to Google Groups in a silly effort to try and discredit me - he got the photo off of my Yahoo public profile. LoL!/ /Willytex - he wanted to be in, but he went too far out./ *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ** ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here. I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service. If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it. After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure. Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. Every day. Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not. It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've got brand new tires. *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet. /For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet -
[FairfieldLife] Filters and Folders, was Good article by someone
On 11/22/2014 10:02 AM, Share Long wrote: Thanks, Richard, I guess I lost track of who got put into Folders. Anyway, in revolt, and as a *spiritual* practice LOL, I'm aiming to read EVERY SINGLE FFL POST from now on. /It only takes about five minutes a day to read all the FFL messages using the FairfieldLife Mail Archive; then all you have to do is compose a reply to the ones you find interesting. It's not complicated./ http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife/yahoogroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/ It seems kind of dumb to me to avoid reading certain posters. Except for that bit about taking on someone else's karma...hmmm, it's a conundrum. May have to rethink my strategy. Will report later (-: /Actually it was Xeno who said he made the filters and the folders - he is really taking this seriously, I guess. Apparently he put Ann in the Canada folder and my stuff in the Texas folder - you are probably in his Iowa folder. At first I felt a little insulted because that seemed to be kind of a prejudiced way of carrying on an open discussion, since all the messages would be read out of context. Doesn't matter now anyway, because I don't have much to say these days. The question is, why would someone try to manage all these messages at their place of employ when they can use the FFL Mail Archive and set a filter to read sequentially all the messages from an individual, right from the comfort of their home? Go figure./ *FairfieldLife Mail Archive:* http://tinyurl.com/pvfnj4h *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:28 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... On 11/22/2014 6:34 AM, Share Long wrote: turq, huh?! How can Richard stalk and abuse you if you put his posts in a Folder and instruct your Folder Secretary to not show them to you? /Barry actually didn't say he filtered my messages into a folder, Share - //he said he kill-filed me, meaning he doesn't even see them unless they are included in another reply. He doesn't take criticism very well - maybe he is scared. He is a complicated character to figure out. He probably hates me now for exposing his deep cognitive dissonance, but he did ask for feedback //and invited us to read his Rama web site./ ! And fyi, I would miss Richard if he wasn't here and I bet there are others who feel the same. And I hope you can be more at peace with your emotions about Richard. *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com mailto:turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 22, 2014 3:29 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... */Well said, Sal. /* */ /* */My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink it, of course. :-)/* */ /* */But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not many, and only for a second or two. /* */ /* */After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. /* *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ** ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here. I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service. If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well
[FairfieldLife] Go Figure, was Good article by someone
I suspect everyone will be as curious as me to find out what he's really like, he plays his cards so close to his chest it's hard to see the humanity beneath. Or maybe he really does only speak in one sentence missives with a go figure at the end. Perhaps it's a Texan thing we didn't know about? */Actually, he stole Go figure from me. He read it in Road Trip Mind and has been using it ever since. /* /* */On 11/22/2014 10:55 AM, awoelflebater wrote: *Some Urban Slang defs of go figure:* * */Also the phrase means: I am sending this message because I am in cognitive dissonance./**/LoL!/* ** * * * 3 http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=300winname=addthispub=ra-50dc926d011f6845source=tbx-300lng=en-USs=twitterurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgo-figure.urbanup.com%2F7367749title=Urban%20Dictionary%3A%20Go%20figure http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=300winname=addthispub=ra-50dc926d011f6845source=tbx-300lng=en-USs=facebookurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgo-figure.urbanup.com%2F7367749title=Urban%20Dictionary%3A%20Go%20figure http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=300winname=addthispub=ra-50dc926d011f6845source=tbx-300lng=en-USurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgo-figure.urbanup.com%2F7367749title=Urban%20Dictionary%3A%20Go%20figure http://www.urbandictionary.com/favorites.form.php?defid=7367749 Go figure http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Go%20figuredefid=7367749 A slang phrase used only in the United States of America, short for go and figure that out. It is typically only used in speech, and is an attempt to ridicule the previous thing they said. In fact, all it does is indicate that the person is both ignorant and stupid. Go figure http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Go%20figuredefid=3672024 A saying used when something happens that you might have expected, but you have absolutely nothing original or intelligent to say. Generally used by idiots with IQs below 85, who just want to hear them selves talk, and build thier own unfounded egos. */ /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist
On 11/20/2014 7:44 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: Honestly, I believe Barry to be incredibly naive, culturally unsophisticated, and with no greater than average intelligence. A perfect candidate for hypnosis, and/or mood-making, around all this levitation nonsense he has dreamed up. He cannot explain it, because it simply never happened. Poor guy. /It doesn't matter to me what Barry does or thinks - all I'm responding to are the hypocritical and prejudiced statements he posts almost every day. Otherwise it's all just grist for the mill now - without The Corrector around to help us moderate these guys. Seriously, it's not that I don't like the guy - I've never met him, it's the arrogant taunting and elitism that grates on me and the exaggeration, puffing himself up. Plus, he makes himself the largest target around - he deserves to be reminded that he's not so special and he doesn't have all the answers. The way I see it, my job is not to answer questions, but to question answers. Every statement, when taken to extremes, will be found to be self-contradictory./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : How do we explain Barry's conviction that he witnessed Lenz rise up from the ground? Premise 1: The laws of physics imply that levitation events as claimed by Barry are improbable-verging-on-the- impossible. Premise 2: Barry is not communicating with us from the padded cell of an institute for the incurably insane. Premise 3: One in five people are suitable subjects for deep-hypnosis experiences. Premise 4: Frederick Lenz was a hypnotist. (This seems likely in view of the testimony of ex-followers who do claim that Lenz could use mass hypnosis.) It's commonplace in hypnosis work to induce negative and positive visual hallucinations - I've seen Derren Brown convince someone that he (Derren) was invisible and that objects moving around in front of him were levitating - though we observers could see Derren himself simply lifting up and putting down the items. I can't see why a hypnotist couldn't persuade people that he was floating mid-air. That may not even be necessary: if Lenz was simply to give someone a post-hypnotic suggestion that they'd have the /memory/ of having seen the master float - then induce amnesia of what was said during the hypnotic trance itself - the subject would faithfully recall the miraculous event. As 20 per cent of people are natural somnambulists, maybe Lenz selected from that group to be in his inner circle. Barry may not be naturally somnambulistic but as he's been into lots of weird shit he's probably trained himself to enter altered states. So I wonder if Barry recalls ever being formally hypnotised by Lenz? Maybe someone has another explanation?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....
On 11/20/2014 8:07 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: Glad to hear it - I am a Red Box kind of guy, and will definitely grab a copy. /That's the funny thing about Brian the dog on Family Guy - he's a dog, but talks just like a normal person with a normal voice, while all the other family members have cartoon voices. I mean, that's funny when the only sane character in the whole family is the pet dog. Go figure./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/20/2014 7:21 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: Wasn't he walking his enlightened dog, too? Its a wonder he kept track of it all... His dog is probably like Brian on /The Family Guy/ - the smartest one in the whole house. But I still don't get why Barry would post a review of a pirated copy of /Intersteller/ that he watched on a 14 inch laptop, with Dutch captions. We saw it on the IMAX screen in 70 mm in Dolby Surround Sound and it was great. He didn't seem to enjoy the movie very much - something probably got lost in the translation. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : that's cool, Michael. One of the informants here went in and out of dimensions while simply walking through the city in which he lives. We were all so envious, wishing we could be special like that. The rest of us, sigh, can only take simple, uneventful walks, sigh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : There is no evidence for there being any multiverses That's not true - there are any number of channels and New Age-y types who claim there are multiple dimensions all over the place. *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:18 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote : ReThe multiverse is a theory . . . I don't see why atheists would use this theory to support their idea that there is no God.: There is no evidence for there being any multiverses - it is as much a leap of faith as believing in God. The God option really means you have trust in whatever is unfolding. There might be soon. David Deutsch, who runs the quantum computing lab at Oxford, makes the case that multiverse theories are the simplest way of explaining quantum theory. Most other physicists disagree due to lack of evidence but he intends to prove it using a virtual reality program of an atom running on a quantum computer. I don't fully get what he's going on about but apparently there is a way that quantum computers can reveal how they work while they are doing computations about themselves (!), this will tell us a lot about what sort of universe we live in. All we need is a computer we don't have yet that exploits Qbits, the ability of things in the quantum world to be in potentially two, or more, places at once. But they are on the way. I get the impression that if he pulls it off he'll be the most famous scientist since Einstein but it's a long way away. But quantum computing is the future whatever it tells us. But as I said in another post, this in't the multiverse you are talking about but they might be provable - should they exist. Maybe cosmologists should just start again. Wouldn't be the first time...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A complete list of Barry Wright's supporters on Fairfieldlife
On 11/20/2014 9:07 PM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Actually I stand by Turquoiseb; some of us would be nothing on FFL if it were not for Turqb. Considering Turqb as a source it seems we have come to know him a lot better as time has gone along. He appears a sympathetic character as you come to understand his perspective. I always read his rants for the perspective they give even though they are often filled with negativity and denouncement. -Buck in the Dome /Maybe that's the problem - we don't know what his perspective is because he won't talk to us about anything - he is too arrogant and defensive and just plain JELLOS at times. All I want from the guy is some straight information, but all we're getting from him is double-talk and put-downs. We're all supposed to be equals on this list, not discriminated against because of our religion, sex, gender, age, nationality, or race.//That's what I think./ fleetwood_macncheese wrote : this page intentionally left blank
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry, the somnambulist
On 11/20/2014 11:56 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */Sorry. No hypnosis, no suggestion -- either prior to the things we witnessed or afterwards. /* /// This is double-speak. You already claimed that TM was a form of hypnosis and that the reason anyone was a True Believer was because of suggestion. ///I think the exact words you used were brain washed. /Obviously you were in a trance induction state for years and by your own account you gave large sums of money to the organization at their suggestion. Then, you threw all your friends under the bus and accused us of being the TBs. ///You're the guy that is stalking us. /Go figure. **/ */That would be the easy explanation on one level, but unfortunately it doesn't match the reality of what people experienced around him. On another level, it's even more problematic, because you're suggesting someone who could hypnotize hundreds of people at once -- many of whom he'd never met before. /* */ /* */I've often wished that I had the ability to do whatever it was that he did, and could demonstrate it to sceptics on this forum. What I'd do is take each person who thinks they've got their shit together and demonstrate levitation to them -- but while they were alone with me, no other witnesses. I'd make sure that they'd seen it and admitted to me that they'd seen it, and then I'd smile and leave, saying, Fine...now you're in the same position I am...go forth and try to convince anyone else that you saw what you saw. Heh heh./* */ /* */Seriously, s3raphita, I really don't give a shit what you or anyone else thinks about what I and hundreds of others experienced. We're still trying to figure it out ourselves. And one of the only things we can say for sure is that it doesn't seem that any kind of traditional hypnotism was employed./*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question for those who believe in God
*From:* s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */If you were find out for sure that there is NO God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted believing in one?/* */ /* */We non-theists wouldn't. It would have no impact on our lives whatsoever. /* */ /* Of course it would have no impact for non-theists! What a dumb comparison. The corresponding question for *non-theists* should be: If you were to find out for sure that there IS a God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted not believing in one? How would you answer that? On 11/21/2014 12:01 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */Already answered in another thread -- absolutely nothing would change in my life. /* /If you saw little green men from Mars, you would change your mind about believing in little green men from Mars or you would be in denial. You are not making any sense./ /You are not even being logical - everyone changes when they absorb knowledge - the very act of sensing causes changes in the nervous system. You can never step into the same river twice - everything is based on change. The only thing that is absolutely non-changing is the Being itself which never changes. Go figure./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist
On 11/21/2014 2:37 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */And people wonder why I publish using pseudonyms./* /That would explain why you signed some of your writings with //Barry Wright. / */It's because of the stalkers, dummy. :-)/* /Cognitive dissonance. You invited us to read your web site, Barry. http://www.ramalila.net/RoadTripMind/rtm03.html / *From:* s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 2:54 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist /Now he is a science writer./ / / Do you have a list of the books that Barry has had published? Are they available on Amazon? Perhaps all his literary endeavors are works in progress . . .// / / / /
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
On 11/21/2014 2:53 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */Ahem. /* */ /* */See https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/398619/**/, which contains the following, in an exchange with Salyavin about Stephen Hawking: /* *--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : * *Do you think he's angry at God because he lost his ability to speak and walk?* */ /* */ /* */I'll wait for your apology... :-)/* // We are still waiting for your explanation: /I cannot expect anyone else to believe that these experiences had anything to do with enlightenment. And I don't. Also, I might interpret the experiences in my own way, but that doesn't mean that anyone else hearing them can't, and won't, interpret them differently. That they do so doesn't mean that they're attacking me, merely that they see things a different way, from another point of view. - /TurquoiseB http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg96217.html *From:* jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:00 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!! Hey, Barry You're completely clueless. I've never said anything close to the one you quoted in this thread. You're living in delusion, dude. Perhaps you can learn something from Dubya, as shown here: Frank Caliendo bush collection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evIdgL8mJPM image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evIdgL8mJPM Frank Caliendo bush collection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evIdgL8mJPM lol. please rate and comment. View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evIdgL8mJPM Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/20/2014 9:17 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: Dear Turq's secretary, please forward the following response (and his choice of puppy chow), to our common acquaintance: So, the bottom line is that being in an enlightened state is a subjective state that defies any material proof. Having said that, someone, anyone, please explain to me what Barry meant when he posted this message below, because now I'm getting confused and you don't want to confuse the willytex. /I cannot expect anyone else to believe that these experiences had anything to do with enlightenment. And I don't. Also, I might interpret the experiences in my own way, but that doesn't mean that anyone else hearing them can't, and won't, interpret them differently. That they do so doesn't mean that they're attacking me, merely that they see things a different way, from another point of view. - /TurquoiseB http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg96217.html Buck is not envious of me, nor is anyone else on this forum, except YOU. :-) :-) :-) The question (for you) is, WHY? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : */Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be envious of him. /* */ /* */Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, I'll pass, thanks. :-) :-) :-)/* *From:* dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:01 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment **I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts. I can relate to what he is talking about by experience. He is very clear and accurate in his writings. You seem threatened by his writing. -Buck** *//* */*/ /*/* */turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened./* ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : That's pretty funny, Share. I imagine the exchange went something like this. Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this. BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate believers about. BS: But sir, I think.. BW: Okay, what is it already! BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan. he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious of his enlightenment. BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before! What
Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
On 11/21/2014 6:53 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */I agree. Just make sure that when it comes out it's stored in the Fiction section of the library. :-) /* / Put it in the fiction section right next to your book, Road Trip Mind? **/ *From:* dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 1:48 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment *A collection of Fleet's published FFL writings here about enlightenment would make a really fine anthology on the subject. -Buck in the Dome* turquoiseb wrote : */Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be envious of him. /* */ /* */Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, I'll pass, thanks. :-) :-) :-)/* *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment **I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts. I can relate to what he is talking about by experience. He is very clear and accurate in his writings. You seem threatened by his writing. -Buck** *//* */*/ /*/* */turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened./* ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : That's pretty funny, Share. I imagine the exchange went something like this. Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this. BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate believers about. BS: But sir, I think.. BW: Okay, what is it already! BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan. he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious of his enlightenment. BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before! What am I paying you for? Let me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any other developments along these lines. I have a reputation to uphold! BS: Yes sir. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?! *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!! */I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. The quote was:/* */ /* *Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state.* */ /* */I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more stupid than that. /* */ /* */But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-)/* */ /* */The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. /* */ /* */Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent turnips. :-) :-) :-)/* */ /* */Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism. /* */ /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] For Ann and...
On 11/21/2014 9:43 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: and proof the Marshy Effect is finally being realized /Never pass up a tragedy if you think it will help you win a religious debate./ http://www.sltrib.com/news/1846892-155/firing-execution-squad-utah-lethal-death
Re: [FairfieldLife] Martian Apocalypse?
On 11/21/2014 12:49 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Perhaps the aliens were from the Land of the Veda. ;-) The Land of the Veda was in what is now Pakistan and Iran. You are not making any sense. Go figure. On 11/21/2014 10:21 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Do we have an FFLer in Illinois? A roving reporter could send us a report on this story: Were Martians wiped out by nuclear bomb-wielding aliens? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2843871/Ancient-Martian-civilisation-wiped-nuclear-bomb-wielding-aliens-attack-Earth-claims-physicist.html image http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2843871/Ancient-Martian-civilisation-wiped-nuclear-bomb-wielding-aliens-attack-Earth-claims-physicist.html Were Martians wiped out by nuclear bomb-wielding aliens? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2843871/Ancient-Martian-civilisation-wiped-nuclear-bomb-wielding-aliens-attack-Earth-claims-physicist.html A scientist is to present his theory at a talk in Illinois that ancient life on Mars was massacred. Dr Brandenburg says there is evidence for two nuclear explo... View on www.dailymail.co.uk http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2843871/Ancient-Martian-civilisation-wiped-nuclear-bomb-wielding-aliens-attack-Earth-claims-physicist.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
On 11/21/2014 7:54 PM, emptybill wrote: Sorry but there ain't no stinkun Litemint. Them hindoos stole it from Buddhists and it's worth about that much. Not before, during or after a human lifetime is there Litemint. We are not born with it. Anything born will perish and therefore is just another blow job. Such a Litemint is just another toke on the prana-pipe. Invert attention to its source-field - just as it is now. That is what we are and the rest is just the fantasy of this world. WTF om gomaya svaha /Nihilism is the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless, purposeless, or lacks any intrinsic value.// // //http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
On 11/21/2014 6:46 AM, steve.sundur wrote: or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. /The Last Incarnation f Lord Vishnu killed himself. Something was seriously broken in his life./ I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) /* */ /* */But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect.../* */ /* 10 Stupid Things Theists Say to Atheists http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/2013/10/09/10-stupid-things-theists-say-atheists/ October 9, 2013 by Cephus http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/author/admin/ http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/author/admin/ Say Something Stupid http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Say-Something-Stupid.jpg As atheists, we see this kind of thing all the time, really absurd things that are said to us by theists in the midst of a debate or discussion that leave us rolling our eyes. This really isn’t intended so much for the atheist, but for the theist, who really needs to understand that none of these things are going to convince anyone of the validity of their arguments. Maybe that’s okay with them, but maybe, just maybe, they never realized just how pointless any of the following statements actually are. It leaves me wondering if theists are really debating to come to a mutually agreeable conclusion, or if they’re just “debating” to hear themselves talk or see themselves type. And so, in no particular order, these are ten statements that I see routinely from theists that are simply not helping your case, and why. 10. /*I’ll pray for you…* / This is totally and completely useless. If you really feel the need to talk to yourself about us, I suppose it’s your time to waste, but this statement really comes off as a final flip of the finger to the atheist when the theist has run out of other arguments. It’s essentially “I’m still right, so there!” It appears to be childish, even if it’s sincere. We don’t want you to pray for us, we want you to be able to defend your beliefs. Maybe you should spend more time worrying about that. 9. /*The Bible says… * /We don’t care what the Bible says. In fact, we probably know the Bible better than you do and not only the Bible, but many other religious texts as well. Often, that’s why we’re atheists, because we had the courage and commitment to read the Bible and think about what it actually says. We don’t limit our knowledge to the words on the page though, we often know why it’s there, where it came from and how it came to be accepted by your religion. We’ve engaged in higher criticism of your religious text and can almost certainly show how and why your book isn’t trustworthy. Don’t pretend we’re not well-versed in what your book says, we are. 8. /*This website says… * /This is probably even worse than the previous statement because not only does it show that you think we’re not well-versed in all of the standard apologetic arguments, it demonstrate that you are not. If the best you can do is grab a claim off some apologist’s website or YouTube video, there’s really no point in talking to you because clearly, you don’t understand the argument well enough to present your own take on it. I don’t care what William Lane Craig says, I’m not debating William Lane Craig, I’m debating you. Make your own arguments and understand what you’re saying because I absolutely will attack the argument and expect you to defend it. 7. /*You can’t prove God doesn’t exist… * /No I can’t, it’s not my job to do so. It’s yours. You’re the one claiming that God is real, it rests solely on your shoulders to prove it. After all, you can’t prove that Krishna doesn’t exist, does that mean that the Hindus are right and Krishna does? You can’t prove that unicorns exist, does that make them real? The burden of proof is always on the individual who makes the positive claim. Most atheists do not claim God does not exist, they just reject your claim that he does based on lack of corroboratory evidence. 6. /*You really believe in God, but… * /Theists make this statement to make themselves feel better, it has no critical validity. It is a form of the argument from ignorance, where a statement is made, not because there’s evidence that it’s so, but because the individual can’t come up with a better argument. You don’t
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
On 11/21/2014 7:09 AM, Share Long wrote: Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it. /Apparently you just don't understand Barry - this is what he wants; all the attention. If nobody responded to his messages, he would probably get even more depressed. He probably gets a good laugh seeing everyone piling on - that's how he thinks he is winning - it's all about winning, Share. //We just want to make Barry happy./ /Besides, he doesn't read our posts anyway, remember?/ *From:* steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel compelled to address them. Pretty much as simple as that. That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? *From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) /* */ /* */But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect.../* */ /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet. /For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's his game. Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says//- he's never accomplished a damn thing, so far as I can tell./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it. On 11/21/2014 7:21 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he loves a good tease! /You just wasted a chance to post a critical comment about Barry's claims of witnessing human levitation. So you and Barry have both been discredited - all that talk about science was just bullshit - you two are in fact, the True Believer//s. Go figure./ Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working? /Non sequitur./ Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it wasn't working and be off to the beach! /Non sequitur./ *From:* steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel compelled to address them. Pretty much as simple as that. That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? *From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) /* */ /* */But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect.../* */ /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
On 11/21/2014 8:13 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it. Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably chuckling to himself over his cappuccino. I know him well enough to know he loves a good tease! */Busted. And worse, it's a fair cop. :-)/* Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working? Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it wasn't working and be off to the beach! */It's still a bit frosty here for beach weather, but (strangely enough, given what I read about weather in other parts of the world), it's still warm enough that I am comfortable here on the outdoor terrace of one of my favorite pubs...and in mid-November. This kind of weather is simply unheard-of in the Netherlands, so I'm far from the only person here. /* */ /* */But I've probably lost the thread...what were we talking about? :-)/* /We were talking about you not being able to get a date on Saturday night and why you're sending messages to us, instead of having a fun social life at your favorite pub. / *From:* steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel compelled to address them. Pretty much as simple as that. That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? *From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) /* */ /* */But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect.../* */ /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest
On 11/19/2014 7:58 PM, Share Long wrote: Richard, the coal trains go through FF all day long! /A coal train is running through the middle of the Global Country of World Peace? // // //Well, I just hope they're not using any pesticides on Buck's farm - if so, the chemicals would have to come in on a truck to the local feed store.// Although we don't drink milk anymore, we are still have questions about consuming raw milk. Also, we are concerned about the piped-in drinking water to Buck's farm - is it safe for to use to grow food? How can we keep chemicals out of our food chain? Apparently even brown rice has some arsenic in it. What?! Are there any organic farms around there? So many questions about the pipeline. Go figure.// /*/ /**Illnesses linked to raw milk in Wisconsin *Milwaukee-Wisconsin Journal Sentinel:* *http://tinyurl.com/mc4w9bx *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:48 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest On 11/19/2014 1:49 PM, Share Long wrote: Richard, hopefully Buck is NOT drinking the tap water of FF! /I hope he's not using any electricity produced by that coal burning Archer Daniels Midland Cedar Rapids Power Plant!/ *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com mailto:pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:41 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest On 11/19/2014 10:41 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com mailto:pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 11/19/2014 11:04 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: I've got trains with oil cars on them passing a block away on a trestle. There is a movement to ban them going through town but I doubt if it's going to work being this is a refinery town that Shell owns. /A local train derailment with oil aboard is probably the least of your problems. The gasoline that gets refined and brought in to your local gas station on a truck twice a week probably drives right past your house. You probably have better odds of getting hit by lightening than injured by spilled oil downtown. As long as you use gasoline and oil there are going to be pipelines. Go figure./ On 11/19/2014 1:18 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Those trucks neither need nor are allowed to drive down this residential street. /The gasoline trucks have to get to the gas station somehow. It takes a big truck to pick up trash on the street in any neighborhood and probably none of them are electric or hybrid./ A lot of people own hybrids around here. /It takes a lot fuel to run an electric company for a town the size of Oakland and Walnut Creek. / We figure most are owned by refinery workers. :-D /The key is to diversify: nuclear, solar, and wind power generated electricity, like down here./ /P.S. Please remind Buck that he probably gets most of his water through a pipeline of some sort./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur wrote : I guess your TM obsession began the day Fred died? That would make sense. I think Edg called that one. Two teachers whose philosophy you bought into. The second one dies, and then you return to the first. Okay, makes a little more sense now. On 11/19/2014 9:02 AM, awoelflebater wrote: Edg delivered the most succinct and laser-like post to bawee I've ever read. I think bawee's hair is still on fire, the little he has left of it. /Years ago I tried to warn Barry to watch his big pie hole but he wouldn't listen to me - he got whipped real bad by Judy, Delia and Andrew over on Google Groups, which is why he came over to Yahoo Groups. But, he just couldn't shut up, so he copied a bunch of my messages from FFL and then went back over to *alt.meditation.transcendental*. and posted them, along with a challenge for Judy to come over here and continue the discussion. It was a really stooopid thing to do - he really did a bad thing. Apparently this is a pattern because he followed me over to *alt.religion.gnostic* and tried to pick a fight over there about the *Gnostics and the Silk Road*. Barry got really beat up bad by Kater - it was a real spectacle. (//Links on request)./ / /On 11/19/2014 8:40 PM, awoelflebater wrote: /Edg did a pretty good and very succinct job of it here the other day. I'm still marveling. See, I just sit back and do nothing and it accomplishes everything. / / It looks like Edg is on Barry's no-read list now. /// /The really funny thing is, after posting the challenge on Google Groups, Barry then refused to dialog with me, insinuating that I was just a military brat and a hick from Texas who had nothing better to do than screw prairie dogs. The cognitive dissonance is clear: he challenged me to a debate, copied my stuff and posted it, then refused to debate. Which is really weird, since he's a hick from Texas and a military brat with nothing better to do than copy my stuff. Go figure.// /
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sharing
/There's probably nothing more pathetic than a anonymous troll who joins a online spiritual discussion just to berate and make fun of people on a spiritual path, posting rude and hateful messges. And and then refusing to respond - making up filters and folders to discriminate against other members, based on their birth circumstances, where they were born, their race, or their gender. /On 11/19/2014 8:58 PM, awoelflebate wrote:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Reminds me of Fairfield Life :-)
This is a perfect example of a troll posting, Barry. You are making us military brats look like dumb-ass bigots. You've never even set foot in Fairfield, IA. Go figure. /Troll - A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses./ On 11/19/2014 9:46 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/23730_10151152973687687_1869282985_n.jpg?oh=3f3b1518c546890cba3e8fb9b9eec421oe=54DC1203__gda__=1423455696_1675b3087070dea11ae6bc0865de61cc
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why I have absolutely no interest in Chinese culture
/Yeah, Barry, I guess this is why you worked for a guy that called himself the Zen Master Rama, who earned a black-belt in Chinese martial arts and philosophy. This has got to be one of the clearest//examples of cognitive dissonance I've ever read. What is wrong with you - are you so desperate for attention that you have to whack eight million Asians on a Yahoo chat-room? Go figure./ On 11/20/2014 3:35 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */In one video. Eight million people found this interesting? WTF, indeed.../* */ /* */This Chinese Music Video Is Every Kind Of WTF http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf//* image http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf/ This Chinese Music Video Is Every Kind Of WTF http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf/ This is a batshit insane music video for the song Chick Chick by Chinese pop group Wang Rong Rollin. It makes stuff like What Does The Fox Say? seem ab View on www.incrediblething... http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why I have absolutely no interest in Chinese culture
/You guys are making yourselves look very prejudiced and mixed up. Both of you are probably using Chinese-made computers and neither of you can read or understand a single word of Chinese.//Go figure./ On 11/20/2014 4:00 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Thanks, that really brightened up my day! Wonder what the lyrics mean? Something really profound I'll bet... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */In one video. Eight million people found this interesting? WTF, indeed.../* */ /* */This Chinese Music Video Is Every Kind Of WTF http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf//* image http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf/ This Chinese Music Video Is Every Kind Of WTF http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf/ This is a batshit insane music video for the song Chick Chick by Chinese pop group Wang Rong Rollin. It makes stuff like What Does The Fox Say? seem ab View on www.incrediblething... http://www.incrediblethings.com/video/chinese-music-video-every-kind-wtf/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Dear rry, was There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
/Dear Barry,// // //As a friend, let me take this opportunity to let you know that you are acting like a ten-year old child. Is this all you can think of to post to a spiritual discussion group? // //It looks like the votes are in, Barry, almost everyone on this list thinks you are trolling. Which is kind of funny, since for ten years you've been calling me the troll. Go figure./ /Hint:***NOBODY CARES IF JIM CLAIMS HE IS ENLIGHTENED OR NOT.*/ On 11/20/2014 6:59 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. The quote was:/* */ /* *Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state.* */ /* */I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more stupid than that. /* */ /* */But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-)/* */ /* */The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. /* */ /* */Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent turnips. :-) :-) :-)/* */ /* */Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism. /* */ /*
[FairfieldLife] Dear Barry, was There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
/Dear Barry,// // //As a friend, let me take this opportunity to let you know that you are acting like a ten-year old child. Is this all you can think of to post to a spiritual discussion group? // //It looks like the votes are in, Barry, almost everyone on this list thinks you are trolling. Which is kind of funny, since for ten years you've been calling me the troll. Go figure./ /Hint:***NOBODY CARES IF JIM CLAIMS HE IS ENLIGHTENED OR NOT.*/ On 11/20/2014 6:59 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. The quote was:/* */ /* *Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state.* */ /* */I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more stupid than that. /* */ /* */But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-)/* */ /* */The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. /* */ /* */Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent turnips. :-) :-) :-)/* */ /* */Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism. /* */ /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
On 11/20/2014 7:08 AM, Share Long wrote: dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?! /Barry does seem to be JELLOS. I can understand why that could make an insecure person envious. But, why do you suppose Barry wants everyone everyone to see how badly he resents others success? But to post this confession on a public forum and risk being ridiculed is kind of bizarre to say the least. Go figure./ *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!! */I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. The quote was:/* */ /* *Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state.* */ /* */I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more stupid than that. /* */ /* */But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-)/* */ /* */The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. /* */ /* */Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent turnips. :-) :-) :-)/* */ /* */Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism. /* */ /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
Share wrote: ** dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?! On 11/20/2014 7:15 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */It's someone who used to post here and who delights in seeing me mock the afflicted. I thank him for the occasional pointers he sends me to posts I would otherwise have never seen because of my filters. This one was just so perfect at demonstrating the extent of Jimbo's obsessive narcissism that I couldn't resist. Mea culpa. :-) /* /You sound really JELLOS of Jim's success: apparently he has had a rewarding career, raised a family and is able to retire to a nice big house in California and enjoy life, in an enlightened state. In contrast, you seem unenlightened, poor and depressed and envious. You sure don't sound like you've had a very successful career or have a home and a family. I could be wrong about this, but you do seem to be quite angry and disappointed in your current circumstances. What's up with that?/ *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!! */I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. The quote was:/* */ /* *Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state.* */ /* */I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more stupid than that. /* */ /* */But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade. :-)/* */ /* */The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. /* */ /* */Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent turnips. :-) :-) :-)/* */ /* */Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism. /* */ /*
