Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten tossed out of car

2017-07-31 Thread Amy Glunt
Makes me sick! Just about a month ago I picked up a kitten off the side of the 
road that had been tossed out of a car. He's recovered well and is napping next 
to me on the couch. Fortunately none of his injuries were internal or very 
serious, but it just makes you rage inside. Who'd do something like that? :( 
hope the little grey kitten makes a full recovery. 

Amy

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> On Jul 31, 2017, at 11:16 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> Ardy – generally, I am not supportive of the death penalty, but I would 
> gladly make an exception for barbarians like those you describe, and I would 
> just as happily be the executioner. This is not the first time I have heard 
> this same hideous story. Several years ago in Toronto, Ontario, the same 
> thing happened on one of our highways, and again, that little kitten at least 
> got lucky enough to survive and be rescued by a motorist who saw what 
> happened.
>  
> I have heard it repeated elsewhere. I guess that stupid idiot f*&^%s can’t 
> find anything more vulnerable and helpless than a kitten to show their 
> toughness. Just obscene.
>  
> I shudder to think just how many times the kittens don’t survive.
>  
> Amani
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
> Robertson
> Sent: July-31-17 11:51 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten tossed out of car
>  
> Hello my Felv friends  this is a little off-topic, but I have to vent: My 
> granddaughter texted me this afternoon that a Facebook friend of hers was 
> driving from our city to a neighboring town, when the vehicle ahead of her 
> tossed a kitten out of the car window at 60 mph!! The poor little babe struck 
> her windshield! She was able to come to a safe stop, but was unable to get 
> the license number or really much of a description of the vehicle. The little 
> gray kitty was badly injured, but she is taking good care of it, and has it 
> home with her tonight. He (or she) has eye and nose injuries, among others, 
> but I believe he is stable. My granddaughter messaged her friend and said 
> that she will help with the vet bill and also with the food and other 
> supplies she will need for this kitty. The friend says she is going to 
> provide a forever home for the kitty. I am dropping off some money in the 
> morning at my granddaughter’s house to pitch in, because she is going 
> shopping for kitty food, a bed, some toys, a brush, etc. for her friend. We 
> are just so irritated that someone would do something like this, and I am so 
> grateful there are people like my granddaughter and her friend who are 
> willing to do what it takes to help this poor little babe.
>  
> I am hoping someone on Facebook will see the story they posted, with 
> pictures, and turn this person in to the authorities. He also could have 
> caused an accident if the girl had swerved to avoid hitting the kitty – but I 
> suppose it happened so fast she probably didn’t even know what it was. I hope 
> this person does not have other pets, or children!
>  
> Thanks for listening!
> Ardy
>  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

2017-06-21 Thread Amy Glunt
I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and 
NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. But 
now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm 
astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this 
information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live 
in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of 
the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my 
outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever 
symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to 
suffer. I'll hold out hope. 
Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. You 
literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge will 
save me from the agony of cold sores. 

Amy

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> On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see 
> very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this 
> substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is 
> clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial 
> overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, 
> the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new 
> mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on 
> drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all 
> scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, 
> that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of 
> the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a 
> pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the 
> cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no 
> known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to 
> being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money 
> for the drug company.
> 
> Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are 
> Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing 
> research regarding the healing powers of this substance.
> 
> Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its 
> medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably 
> effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy 
> where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only 
> medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into 
> complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop 
> seizures, but doesn’t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents 
> in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole 
> families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children 
> suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved 
> to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted 
> with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be 
> very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and 
> women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. 
> 
> With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which 
> occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 
> months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with 
> experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed 
> complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development 
> of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has 
> been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are 
> nothing short of earth-shattering. 
> 
> Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been 
> helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply 
> disturbing.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> 
> I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify 
> making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that 
> wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.
> 
>  ROBE

Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

2017-06-20 Thread Amy Glunt
Bob, I'm curious if you could link to the study you mention. I've been taking 
lysine for years to help with my cold sores and I find that it most definitely 
IS effective at helping suppress them. Maybe it's different for animals. 

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> On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
> 
> I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for 
> Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness 
> but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective   I'd prefer to " 
> believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other 
> anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of 
> side effects  Once again... have to weight the benefits against the 
> drawbacks.
> 
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>> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus.  
>> Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino acid, so not 
>> harmful.  Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work.  
>> Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. 
>> Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway.  
>> Antibiotic seems to not be working either.  I am feeding cat food with a 
>> syringe and she is going to the vet today for a consult on using steroids 
>> and Zander's Protocol.
>> 
>> 
>> Marilyn
>> 
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>> Ardy Robertson
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>> 
>> May I ask ? what is lycine that was mentioned for use in water dishes (not 
>> that Topaz drinks out of dishes! But Peekers does.)
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit

2017-01-05 Thread Amy Glunt
Sherri,
I want to suggest a pill gun for giving pills to your Bogey. It's made giving 
the winstrol and pred to my Gravy such a breeze. Before, stuffing pills down 
her throat was traumatic (for both of us), but with the pill gun, I'm able to 
put both pills in it as well as a tiny bit of water, I tilt her head back and 
say "open" then squirt the pills down her throat...takes about 5 seconds, no 
fighting, it doesn't even bother her. Search "Kruuse Buster Pet Pill/Tablet 
Syringe with Soft Tip" on Amazon. I got mine from the vet. 

Amy
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> On Jan 5, 2017, at 11:02 PM, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sherri,
> Hi – I recently wanted to look at my Topaz’ gums because she has black spots 
> in her mouth and I was concerned. She just would not let me in there for 
> anything……UNTIL, I realized she likes to bite on pens! So I can hold a pen 
> crossways, and she bites it, thus opening her mouth. I can see in there very 
> well, and the vet says there is nothing wrong – she just has that color 
> pigmentation in her mouth. But I could have easily held the pen with one hand 
> and snapped a picture with my phone in the other hand.
>  
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Sherri Godschalk
> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:24 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit
>  
> I was leaning that way Amani and you just cemented it for me. I am just going 
> to dump that powder down the middle the best I can and give her half AM and 
> half PM. I think I will do the same with the Pred (split the pill). 5mg at 
> once seems like a lot for this little cat. (6lb 5oz). She may feel better 
> having it that way anyway. 
>  
> I have to say, I have trouble getting Bogey to take that Doxy. It must really 
> taste bad. I am going to try to crush it and put it in ice cream or yogurt 
> this time around. I also feel that the dose she is on for that is high. 25mg 
> twice a day. They cut the pills poorly the first time around and the “parts” 
> were smaller. When they refilled, they had the 100mg cut in actual quarters 
> and she took ill shortly after we started her back on it in December. 
>  
> My hope is that Bogey will be able to come off the meds for some periods like 
> your Zander did. I thought I was getting better at noticing pinkness in gums 
> and nose but clearly I haven’t mastered that yet. I looked at her gums today 
> and they looked awfully pink compared to 4 months ago. I tried to get her to 
> sit still while I took a pic of them for reference…gonna have to get another 
> pair of hands for that kind of photography. :-) 
>  
> We are about 4.5 months into this treatment. I hope that by restarting the 
> regiment of meds, with some changes, her numbers will come up to where they 
> were in December. I think we were really making progress.
>  
> Yea I don’t understand the “icteric” either. Just gonna accept that something 
> looked off to the tech and trust the results. (and you)
>  
> Your Zander…was a lucky little boy to have you!
>  
> From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani 
> Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
> Reply-To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Date: Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 8:47 PM
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit
>  
> I would suggest 1 mg 2x a day then, Sherri. I had Zander on 2 mg 2x a day but 
> only right at the start for a month or so to “kickstart” the process because 
> his haematocrit was s low. I think the usually recommended dose for 
> Winstrol for cats is 1 mg twice a day. I gave Zander his pills all at once – 
> prednisone, Winstrol and Doxycycline. I suspect that the problems you 
> encountered are far more likely to be related to the higher Winstrol dose 
> than the staggering of the medication.  
>  
> Now that you have clarified the dosing for Bogey, I think that the problem 
> was the high dosing of the Stanazolol. I think if you drop it by half, and 
> keep everything else the same, you might get a better response. Frankly, 
> though, it is the very fact that the numbers tumble every time the meds are 
> pulled, that convinces me that it is definitely the meds that are making such 
> a significant difference in the levels. I really found, with Zander, that it 
> took more than 10 months before the numbers would “stick” – ie – when I 
> discontinued the meds, that the numbers wouldn’t start to immediately 
> decline, and I was testing him weekly. I could always see an immediate 
> reaction in the blood work, if I pulled him off the 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 58

2016-12-24 Thread Amy Glunt
Robert,
Have you tried Pet-Tinic or Liqui-Tinic? They are liquid iron supplements for 
cats. I have a bottle that I haven't used much of, I'm happy to mail it to you 
if you send me your address directly. Not sure how much it would help your boy, 
but it's better than nothing. 

Amy

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> On Dec 24, 2016, at 1:53 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> Amani et al
> 
> Any idea of the life expectancy of untreated non regenerative anemia in a 
> FeLV catGot a call on Yogi's  Most Recent Bloodwork and the vet states 
> HCT of 14 and non regenerative anemia  I was taken aback and didn't ask 
> nearly enough questions but it was VERY clear that she felt it was time to 
> put the little guy down.   I am at the end of my money at this point and 
> cannot take him to a bunch of other vets hoping one will be willing to 
> prescribe the cocktail that is showing itself to be effective with others 
> cats...( I don't think I am going to get a lot of cooperation from the Vet I 
> was using after I gave her my opinion of her unwillingness to help me through 
> unconventional means).Nor can I afford Bone Marrow Biopsies and more 
> definitive narrowing of the parameters of his drop in blood values ( it's 
> Xmas eve and they are all gone from the office)   As much as I would like 
> to save this little guy... He has so many other things wrong with him that I 
> don't know that I
  am doing him any favors. Temp is 104...weight has dropped a full pound in 
the last 6 months If it weren't for the fact that he is still eating 
heartily I'd put him down Without further treatment is it kinder to put him 
down or allow nature to take it's course??.The idea of him suffering from 
an inability to get enough O2 is unacceptable
> any suggestions are welcome but... please...  no admonitions re: what I _ 
> should_ do.I have learned an immense amount from this experience and 
> will NOT repeat it...  My other boy is still doing OK and I WILL find someone 
> eventually that is willing to work with me..
> 
> 
> 
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>> Randy
>> 
>> The news is good. Whatever works. I am a big believer in keeping close tabs 
>> on the bloodwork and adjusting the medication, depending on what the lab 
>> results show.
>> 
>> Given that Curley is eating and you are getting an improvement on the red 
>> cells already, I agree that the Winstrol and Doxy should help even more. 
>> Keep track of the blood work and adjust accordingly.
>> 
>> Amani
>> 
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Randy Henke
>> Sent: December-23-16 11:02 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis
>> 
>> The situation with Curly is getting a bit more complicated but in a good 
>> way. Her blood work a week ago showed an RBC of 9 which is critically low. 
>> White cell count was 3.1. After one week of Prednisone her white cell count 
>> is 3.7 which is the low end of normal and her red blood cell count is up to 
>> 13 which is still very low but a very significant increase in just one week. 
>> So the Prednisone alone is making a big difference. We've now had two 
>> positive ELISA tests, a negative IFA and severe anemia that is responding 
>> well to just Prednisone. I am very confused. Even our vet seems surprised by 
>> the sudden improvement in her numbers. He thinks we should do a bone marrow 
>> biopsy for a

Re: [Felvtalk] Negative IFA test

2016-12-22 Thread Amy Glunt
If my cat has tested negative on both, is it possible that she could be 
contagious in the future? I would like to get her a younger cat as a friend, 
especially now with her energy levels I think she would definitely benefit from 
having a feline partner. However I am not eager to have another cat with anemia 
and immune related issues. I figure if there's any chance of her shedding the 
virus, it's just not safe to bring another cat into the house, and I'm not sure 
how foolproof the vaccines are against the virus. 

Amy

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> On Dec 22, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> With a negative IFA, the cat should have no virus in a position to shed. It 
> is either not present, or is sequestered in the bone marrow, and undetectable 
> by IFA or Elisa. When a cat is shedding a virus, they are contagious. Is that 
> what you mean?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Margo
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: "Armstrong-Brown, Sheila   DDS Timonium" 
>> <sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov>
>> Sent: Dec 22, 2016 8:12 AM
>> To: "'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Negative IFA test
>> 
>> I had the same situation but when the IFA is negative, the cat should shed 
>> the virus after testing negative.   They normally retest every 3 months for 
>> the felv elisa test.  The IFA test is 99.9% accurate. 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Corinne Shank
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 8:34 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Negative IFA test
>> 
>> Amy,
>> 
>> Your story is similar to mine.  I think that there is so much that vets 
>> don't know about Felv, so it is great to hear from others with their 
>> situation.  When I found out that she had Felv from the Elisa test,  her 
>> blood work was fairly normal and since that time she has gained weight.  So 
>> I think it is wait and see situation.  She still likes to wake me up at 3:00 
>> am , so I think she still feels good. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Amy Glunt <amyynoe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm interested in replies to this as well. I have a somewhat similar 
>>> experience which I have been pondering over. My own cat, Gravy, tested 
>>> positive on the Elisa for FeLV in March when we took her in for an ear 
>>> infection and persistent lethargy. A month ago she had both Elisa and IFA 
>>> tests and was negative for both and the vet said that the leukemia must 
>>> have gone dormant in her marrow but that she would still have a suppressed 
>>> immune system and if she gets ill again, the leukemia could possibly flare 
>>> back up. 
>>> Also, I got the news today that after a month on Winstrol and prednisolone 
>>> (we skipped the doxycycline since she was negative) her RBC has gone from 
>>> 16 to 40. She is a whole new cat, it's absolutely incredible, and I owe it 
>>> all to you guys here...my Christmas miracle!
>>> Sorry to hijack your post Corinne!
>>> 
>>> Amy
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Corinne Shank <cms9...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> My cat tested positive for Felv a few months ago from an Elisa test.  I 
>>>> had her tested after she had persistent yeast ear infections and I had 
>>>> read that immune suppressed cats were prone to yeast infections.  In 
>>>> addition,  when she was a kitten she tested positive but then tested 
>>>> negative.  I was told that she had shed the virus and that is why she 
>>>> tested negative.She is now 8 years old.
>>>> 
>>>> So I put off getting the IFA test as I wanted to see how she did and I 
>>>> felt that she probably was infected.  I finally took her in to get the 
>>>> test and it came back negative.  So I know that the virus is not in her 
>>>> bone marrow.  But what does this mean?  The vet said to bring her back in 
>>>> 6 months for a snap test to see if she has shed the virus, but is this 
>>>> really possible?
>>>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Negative IFA test

2016-12-21 Thread Amy Glunt
I'm interested in replies to this as well. I have a somewhat similar experience 
which I have been pondering over. My own cat, Gravy, tested positive on the 
Elisa for FeLV in March when we took her in for an ear infection and persistent 
lethargy. A month ago she had both Elisa and IFA tests and was negative for 
both and the vet said that the leukemia must have gone dormant in her marrow 
but that she would still have a suppressed immune system and if she gets ill 
again, the leukemia could possibly flare back up. 
Also, I got the news today that after a month on Winstrol and prednisolone (we 
skipped the doxycycline since she was negative) her RBC has gone from 16 to 40. 
She is a whole new cat, it's absolutely incredible, and I owe it all to you 
guys here...my Christmas miracle!
Sorry to hijack your post Corinne!

Amy

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> On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Corinne Shank <cms9...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My cat tested positive for Felv a few months ago from an Elisa test.  I had 
> her tested after she had persistent yeast ear infections and I had read that 
> immune suppressed cats were prone to yeast infections.  In addition,  when 
> she was a kitten she tested positive but then tested negative.  I was told 
> that she had shed the virus and that is why she tested negative.She is 
> now 8 years old.
> 
> So I put off getting the IFA test as I wanted to see how she did and I felt 
> that she probably was infected.  I finally took her in to get the test and it 
> came back negative.  So I know that the virus is not in her bone marrow.  But 
> what does this mean?  The vet said to bring her back in 6 months for a snap 
> test to see if she has shed the virus, but is this really possible?
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vet asks, where to source stanozolol

2016-11-12 Thread Amy Glunt
Hello everyone,

Thanks so much. I'm all set up with Diamondback to get the stanozolol. The 
confirmation IFA test came back saying negative on FeLv as well, so all the vet 
and I can think is that the FeLV has gone into dormancy in her blood marrow 
since she positive in April. Hopefully the meds will get her anemia under 
control. Everything is looking positive...wishing well for everyone else and 
their kitties, hoping we all can have good outcomes. 

Amy

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 10, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Amy,
> I googled "compounding pharmacy" and found Diamondback Drugs in Arizona. I
> directed my vet to their website - www.diamondbackdrugs.com - and from there
> they were able to fill out a prescription online. There is also a toll free
> number on the site that you can call and talk to a HUMAN not a machine. They
> are very helpful, my prescription was around $42 with shipping. They take
> credit cards, and ship right away. They understand you need it right away
> and have different shipping options. I got one refill, and then my vet would
> have to do another RX online etc. There are many forms, and flavors. I took
> the salmon-flavored liquid, but you can see what else is available. I highly
> recommend them. Best wishes to you!
> Ardy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
> Glunt
> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 2:44 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet asks, where to source stanozolol
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Found a new vet and re-tested my felv+ cat, she is up from an RBC count of
> 10 earlier this year when she was diagnosed, to a 16. She also didn't test
> positive on the ELISA test this time so a secondary IFA test is being run,
> results tomorrow. Not 100% sure what this all means. But the vet was open
> and interested when I asked about options involving stanozolol, and she did
> some research on it and wasn't finding that it's available in the US. I
> thought surely that's wrong, since some of you have been able to get it...so
> I would like to ask, especially Amani, Ardy, and Sherri...where are your
> vets getting the steroids from? She also mentioned it as an injectable form,
> does anyone have experience with that? From everything I've read here, you
> all use the pill form. 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Amy
> 
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[Felvtalk] Vet asks, where to source stanozolol

2016-11-09 Thread Amy Glunt
Hi all,

Found a new vet and re-tested my felv+ cat, she is up from an RBC count of 10 
earlier this year when she was diagnosed, to a 16. She also didn't test 
positive on the ELISA test this time so a secondary IFA test is being run, 
results tomorrow. Not 100% sure what this all means. But the vet was open and 
interested when I asked about options involving stanozolol, and she did some 
research on it and wasn't finding that it's available in the US. I thought 
surely that's wrong, since some of you have been able to get it...so I would 
like to ask, especially Amani, Ardy, and Sherri...where are your vets getting 
the steroids from? She also mentioned it as an injectable form, does anyone 
have experience with that? From everything I've read here, you all use the pill 
form. 

Thanks!

Amy

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol

2016-10-01 Thread Amy Glunt
I think it would be really great if we could all compile a list of vets that 
prescribe the stanzolol, perhaps by state. That would be a really great 
resource for people who are looking for this information. I'm calling around my 
city tomorrow to see if I can find any vets who will prescribe it for my cat. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Sherri Godschalk  wrote:
> 
> Had to shorten this…hope it doesn’t post twice as it went to the moderator 
> because of size.
> 
> Good to know about the liver test. I will NOT mention it to my vet. 
> 
> Since this whole process has started for Bogey and I, I often wonder what 
> logic is used when saying that the side affects from taking the Stanzolol are 
> liver issues, but the side effect of not taking it, is death. I know for me 
> personally, if I was sick and facing this decision, I know what I would do 
> without question. Believe it or not, I read that exact paper you are 
> describing when Bogey was first prescribed the Stanzolol. (Google search) I 
> felt pretty defeated (although many of the terms were over my head) after 
> reading it. I did not notice the dosages though. Doesn’t sound like a very 
> scientific study does it. Maybe we should start our own. Post the names of 
> vets who are willing to prescribe it as well as the results each person has 
> with their pet that is taking it. There again, I am way out in front of 
> myself here because Bogey is not thriving but she did just run into the room 
> with a Q-tip in her mouth (her favorite toy) and 60 days ago she could barely 
> walk into the room without laying down. She has also steadily gained weight. 
> Over a pound which doesn’t sound like much but she barely weighed 5 pounds to 
> begin with. Life is still happening here.
> 
> It does seem like there is secrecy surrounding vets prescribing Stanzolol. 
> Almost like I am scoring some heroin or something. (no I am not a drug user) 
> From what you found with your other cat, clearly this could be a positive 
> choice for inoperable tumors, and or life extending treatment for senior 
> pets. At any rate, I feel luckier each day that my current vet values the 
> life of my cat enough to try to save her. It sounds like your vet is terrific 
> and that you have a great, long relationship with them. I hope to have the 
> same, one day.
> 
> Sherri
> 
> From: Felvtalk  on behalf of Amani 
> Oakley 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Friday, September 30, 2016 at 8:29 PM
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol
> 
> Sherri
>  
> I wouldn’t recommend you run the liver enzymes. If they rise (and they often 
> do) it will cause your vet to try to get you to stop the Winstrol.
>  
> I was running a full biochemistry profile along with the full haematology 
> profile on Zander. So tests like ALP, AST, ALT, TBili and DBili are 
> indicators of liver function. With Zander, they rose sharply, but there was 
> simply no other option but to continue. I had done all my research, tried out 
> the two most likely new and promising therapies (LTCI and Interferon) and 
> they were not at all (I mean AT ALL) helpful. So, discontinuing the Winstrol 
> meant certain death for Zander. I am so glad I ignored the liver enzymes. 
> They settled down on their own, and Zander never had any liver problems after 
> almost a FULL YEAR on Winstrol.
>  
> I had another cat with a nasal sarcoma, who was 16 when she got the sarcoma 
> and a tiny skinny thing. I put her on Winstrol because again, there were no 
> really good options. Again, I had a great response, with it upping her 
> appetite dramatically, and keeping the sarcoma in a shrunken state with far 
> less discharge and swelling than prior to the administration of the Winstrol. 
> Her liver enzymes went through the roof and the vet (a very good friend of 
> mine who is the head of vet oncology and a brilliant man) knowing how I feel 
> about Winstrol, just asked if I would agree to discontinue the Winstrol to 
> see if the liver enzymes would reduce. (Very gently. He knew he was on thin 
> ice.)  I did, for a few weeks, then put her back on. She lived to age 19 with 
> that sarcoma, because the Winstrol kept her eating, and happy and strong.
>  
> One of the smart folks on this chatline, recently sent me what was likely the 
> stupid vet research publication which likely started the whole “liver” scare. 
> Look it up because I cannot attach it to this email as it will not go 
> through. The title is, “Hepatotoxicity of stanozolol in cats” by Kenneth R. 
> Harkin, et. al. in JAVMA, Vol. 217, No. 5, September 1, 2000. Bizarrely, in 
> this study, the authors put the cats on a “loading dose” of 25 mg 
> intramuscularly, then 2 mg a day by mouth, every 12 hours. So, just for 
> starters, you see that for some 

Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma

2016-06-14 Thread Amy
Hi Ashley,
I can only comment on the stomatitis. Haven't dealt with asthma. I've had 
numerous leuk positives and have never had to deal with major mouth issues. 
I've had some with red gums that need a dose of antibiotics and or pred but 
they always respond well. I volunteer for a rescue, though, and we see so much 
stomatitis. There are so many treatment options and in my experience no two 
vets agree. Many of our cats have had 2nd opinions and they totally differ. 
Some vets test for Bartonella, some think it is a waste. Some do antibiotics 
and or steroids. Some recommend laser treatment. Some suggest full extraction. 
I can tell you that we have not had to do full extractions on any cats since 
I've been with the rescue. We always try other methods and they seem to respond 
well. That said, if a cat is really painful and not responding to treatment, I 
have heard it is more humane to extract so they are not in pain. If we had a 
cat that was an extreme case, we wouldn't be opposed to extractions. If I was 
going to do that, I think I'd want a 2nd opinion to make sure that it is really 
necessary as I've seen vets that jump to that too quickly.
As far as keeping them healthy, just love them, try to minimize stress, watch 
their health and treat anything that comes up as needed. I'm sure supplements 
and other things help too but I just love mine and do everything I can to keep 
them healthy. Nobody knows how long you will have. I've had some that live 
months and I have one that has been with me 12 years. Just enjoy Twigs for 
whatever time you have.  I hope you have many happy years together.
Just my 2 cents.Amy

  From: ashley egger 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:18 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma
   
Hi there!    I've been lurking for sometime, ever since my cat Twigs was 
diagnosed about a year ago.  I figure it's time I post something and put myself 
out there and hopefully some of you may have experience or suggestions with 
some of things I'm facing.  Twigs is 2 years old, got him from a rescue 
where he tested negative and was vaccinated against Felv.  Then he developed a 
cough, I took him to the vet and got a terrible surprise- he tested positive 
(and had been exposed to no other cats since adoption.) so I'm guessing he got 
it while with the rescue or a false neg. the first time.    Anyway- vet 
diagnosed Felv and stomatitis, but his bloodwork was perfect.  He acts 
perfectly normal- eating, playing, etc.  I am just filled with dread at the 
thought that he may not always be like this. Back at the vet today for 
check-up- had them do another Elisa test- still positive (damnit) but bloodwork 
still perfect and he has actually gained weight (a plump healthy 10-11lbs) and 
vet said he seemed remarkably healthy. He still has the cough and vet diagnosed 
asthma after I showed her a video of him having one his "spells."  He does it 
on average once a day or every other day.  She prescribed advair inhaler for 
the asthma and full extraction of all his teeth for the stomatitis.     My 
questions I guess are:-Anyone have cat with both felv and asthma?  any concerns 
with inhaler use?  Is this the best treatment?
-Any thoughts on the stomatitis and anyone have experience with the 
extractions?  Is this the best treatment? 
-Also what can I do to prolong this mostly healthy time for Twigs and prevent 
(or at least delay) his decline from the felv (ugh I HATE that word so much.)  
Realistically how much time do I have? I feed him good grain free food and he 
takes multiple supplements currently.
   I will do whatever I can to prolong his life and comfort, but cost is 
definitely an issue too.  Anyway thanks in advance for any help.  
-ashley
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

2016-05-19 Thread Amy
Hi all,
I just wanted to write about my comment about the cats that we have taken in 
converting. I'm referring to the cats that have come into the rescue where I 
volunteer, not my personal cats. None of my personal cats have ever converted 
that I know of. I have do have one positive that has been with me 12 years that 
I have not retested. He was positive on the IFA and snap when I rescued him so 
I never bothered retesting. His bloodwork also still shows signs that point to 
him being positive. My other cats lived varied lives with the disease, some 
less than 2 years, some 4-8, some 10-12. 
We do not see a ton of leuk positives at our shelter. We have had 6 in the two 
years that I have been there, a mom and 4 kittens, and an adult. All 6 were 
able to fight off the virus and retested negative on several later tests. We 
did not do anything special other than quarantine them, try to reduce stress 
(which is not easy in a shelter environment), feed them a quality food and 
retest at 30, 60, and 90 days. Even though the recommendation is to do an IFA 
if you get a positive SNAP, we always wait 30 days and resnap. The reason for 
that is we often take cats in from outdoors that may have had casual contact 
and may initially test positive but fight it off. The IFA is expensive to do if 
we think the cat might fight it off. If when we retest, the cat is still pos, 
we do the IFA to confirm. The mom and the 4 kittens all converted as well as 
the adult. We held them until they tested negative on 3 different snap tests 
each over 30 days apart. My guess is that the test caught the exposure right 
after it happened. My understanding is that this is NOT the norm. I'm not 
surprised about the adults fighting it off but I was pretty shocked by the 
kittens. I adopted one of the kittens that converted because I have a leuk 
positive and all my other cats are vaccinated. We ran 5 different brands of 
tests on him and 4 of the 5 repeatedly come up negative but for some reason he 
tested positive on the Witness test. So just in case there is a trace of the 
virus there that could be passed on, we didn't want to put him into a home that 
wasn't prepared for leukemia. My vet has no explanation for why he tests 
positive on the one test and neither does Zoetis but they all consider him 
negative based on all the other test results. So odd. Either way, he has a 
forever home with me. If he is positive, so be it. If he is negative and the 
test is goofy, even better. I continue to retest and get the same results. Neg 
on everything except the Zoetis Witness test. Makes me question what others say 
about the virus going latent and coming back later. I have heard numerous 
people tell me stories about cats that tested negative numerous times, lived 
with them, never went outside, never had contact with other cats and then came 
up positive later in life. Hard to say for sure when I wasn't there and don't 
know if there was any chance of exposure, but makes me stop and think for sure. 
I often question the reliability of the Zoetis Witness test and my vet has 
since stopped using them.
That's my story.Amy

  From: kat <merrykatme...@email.com>
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 12:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
   
Ardy, The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said 
"So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some time."  
But like you, I would like to know what her protocol has been to be so 
successful. Kat (Mew Jersey)Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM
From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net>
To: 'Amy' <awilkin...@yahoo.com>, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat SanctuaryHi Lorrie – if you don’t mind me asking, 
what do you mean by “most cats you have taken in have converted after some 
time”? Does that mean they no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you 
attribute that to? Thank you,Ardy  From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary Lorrie, That sounds amazing! I do cat 
rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos 
kitties, we do our best to find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like 
so many of the groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my 
home. We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the leuk positives 
because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full with non-contagious 
cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to contact you to see if you are 
able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We always hold them at least 30 days to 
restest and often 60 or 90 days and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to 
make sure they aren't going to fight it off first. So far, most of the ones we 
have taken in have co

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

2016-05-16 Thread Amy
Lorrie,
That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill 
rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to find places for 
them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the groups do. I have positives 
of my own but I am at capacity in my home. We can keep the FIV positives at our 
building but not the leuk positives because we are cage free and all of our 
rooms are full with non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I 
able to contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We 
always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days and we run 
both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't going to fight it 
off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some 
time. We are always looking for more options on the rare occasion we do get one 
in that remains positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks 
for helping these kitties
Let me know!Thanks Amy

  From: Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com>
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
   
> 
>    Lorrie,
> 
>    Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
> 
>    Kat (Mew Jersey)

Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.


I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
just see a two story brick building not the inside.
-

It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
-

My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.  Downstairs are 5
rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
full bathroom and a half bath.  The cats have access to every room
and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
outside.


The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
upstairs rooms.  The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room. 


Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] The Brock Star has left the building

2016-04-29 Thread Amy
Marsha,
I am so sorry to hear about Brock. I hope the wonderful memories bring you some 
comfort during this difficult time.
Amy

  From: Marsha <mar...@lynxe.com>
 To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
 Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 6:29 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] The Brock Star has left the building
   
Brock left this earthly plane this afternoon.  This morning he didn't 
get out of the lounge chair to greet me, refused his heart pills again, 
and his third eyelids were showing.  He did eat all the food I brought 
him though - he licked off the spoon as I held it up in front of him on 
the lounge chair.  We did half, then the other half later.  I visited 
with him a lot.  He spent most of his time in his lounge chair on his 
fleece blanket, but once he got down and took a short stroll through his 
domain.  Usually I am in the lounge chair, with Brock on my lap.  Such a 
tired boy; his bone marrow was no longer working as it should - low RBC, 
WBC, and platelets, and not making new.  He had Feline Leukemia Virus, 
survived a year with Restrictive Cardiomyopathy & CHF, and just recently 
developed lymphoma.  So not fair to such a sweet and handsome boy.

He received a sedative first and we spent a half hour or 45 minutes 
together.  His paw rested on my hand.  As he relaxed, he ever so lightly 
made biscuits on my hand.  He even did his elevator butt routine, but 
laying down instead of standing up.

He was only with me a year and a half, but he had so much love to give 
out during that time, that there is now another permanent scar on my 
heart.  Along with too many others that are still somewhat fresh.

Dearest Brock, visit me soon in my dreams.  I left the patio lights on 
for your spirit to find the way back to Fort Shappell.

Marsha

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Re: [Felvtalk] Tigger

2016-01-11 Thread Amy
Luigi is 12 and still going strong :)
Amy
 

  From: "dlg...@windstream.net" <dlg...@windstream.net>
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; felineres...@frontier.com 
 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 11:24 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tigger
   
Annie is 8+ and still going strong.

 Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote: 
> Very true Ardy, I have FelV pos. cats who have lived to be 8 years
> old and still seem fine.  
> 
> Good luck with Tigger.
> 
> Lorrie and 14 rescued cats at home
> 
> On 01-10, Ardy Robertson wrote:
> >    My vet told me the other day that it is possible that Tigger can live a
> >    complete life-span and be healthy. She said it is not the FeLV that
> >    usually kills FeLV+ cats, but rather secondary things so we need to be
> >    very vigilant. I asked if she thinks he needs frequent blood testing
> >    and she said no, not unless he is showing signs of being ill. Needless
> >    to say I watch him like a hawk!
> > 
> >    Ardy
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Upsetting notices

2015-10-29 Thread Amy
I got this a week or so ago, no clue either
Amy
  From: Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com>
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 10:48 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Upsetting notices
   
I keep getting these notices that they will drop me for bounces and
I have not had any bounces or my system would advise me of this.

Has anyone else had this happen?  It is most upsetting to me as 
this is my favorite cat group with such valuable help for FelV.

I don't know what they mean about my password (see below) this is NOT
my password. Can someone please help me with this problem. I have to
keep reinstating my membership.

Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Bella

2015-10-29 Thread Amy
So sorry to hear about your loss.
Amy
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My sweet little girl crossed over yesturday.she was 4 years old. So sad
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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot

2015-10-19 Thread Amy
Keeping you and Merlot in my thoughts. Hope you figure it out and Merlot is 
feeling better soon.
Amy
  From: Maya D'Alessio <mde...@gmail.com>
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 10:09 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot
   
Merlot was admitted to the vet hospital this morning. His fever is persisting 
and we still have no idea as to cause. Last night they tested for pancreatitis 
and that test came back normal. He got sub-Q fluids and they sent him home with 
us. He has vomitted a few times and he has not really kept down any nutrition 
since Saturday morning. They just did an x-ray but there is no obvious issue. 
They are going to do a barium contrast imaging series now after they administer 
IV fluids and antibiotics in hope that his fever will come down.
The worst part is that we still really have no idea what is going on, so I am 
just waiting to hear and worrying :(
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Marsha <mar...@lynxe.com> wrote:

 

 Treatment depends on the cause of the low platelet count.  If it's low enough 
that blood can't clot properly, he could develop internal bleeds from minor 
events, and become anemic or worse.  If the cause was his immune system 
attacking his own platelets, the treatment might be prednisolone to suppress 
his immune system.  But if he's FeLV+, that's not so likely.  Platelet 
deficiency is called thrombocytopenia.
 
 Marsha
 
 On 10/18/2015 1:54 PM, Maya D'Alessio wrote:
  
 Hey everyone, 
  Merlot is my 3.5 year old cat. Last summer my other cat passed away from FeLV 
(we had no idea she had it), and we had Merlot tested. He tests + on the  
snap/pcr test, but - on the ELISA. This gave me a little bit of piece of mind, 
in the hope that he would not become persistently +. 
  Last night he was completely uninterested in dinner (very unusual for him), 
and he seemed a bit warm and lethargic. I took him in to the vets this morning  
and they wanted to do bloodwork. He has a temperature of 40.5 C. First results 
come back all normal except a very low platelet count.  
  They gave him a small dosage of prednisone, and a shot of penicillin and sent 
me home with doxycillin and some food to force feed him if he won't eat on his 
own. They want me to watch him and come back in to the vets in 3 days to 
re-test his blood. 
  Any experience with low platelet count, what that means and if there is any 
treatment? 
  -- 
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Coordinator Biology GSA Vice Chair GSA Director At-Large University of Waterloo 
   
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlin has gone to the bridge

2015-09-27 Thread Amy
Kelley,
I am so sorry to hear about Merlin. Thank you for loving him and caring for him.
Amy
  From: Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com>
 To: felvtalk <Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
 Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 3:08 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Merlin has gone to the bridge
   
They say his heart gave out.
Kelley
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rehome one-year-old grey cat

2015-05-10 Thread Amy
Hi Kelley,
Just a quick question.  When you say false positives are common, are you 
referring to all cases where you get a negative IFA and positive SNAP?  I spoke 
with a vet the other day that has been telling clients that if you get a 
negative IFA, the cat is negative and the positive SNAP can be ignored (in 
other words, a false positive).  That is totally wrong but I know some people 
have been told that and consider that a false positive.  
The reason I ask is that I just got what we are thinking is a true false 
positive at the vet this week.  We tested a litter of 4 kittens and one tested 
positive and 3 negative.  We retested all 4 immediately before sending out an 
IFA test and they were all negative.  That is the first time that I have ever 
come across what I think might be a true false positive on the SNAP and we test 
cats all the time at our rescue.  We sure hope it is a  false positive but we 
will hold the litter and retest in 30 days just to be sure.  I've been told 
that false positives are rare but wondered if your experience has been 
different.
Amy


  From: Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 10:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rehome one-year-old grey cat
   
If you really wish to rehome this kitty, much as I dislike them, Best Friends 
Animal Society often has spaces for FELV+ cats.  You would be responsible for 
getting the kitty to Utah. I would not do anything until you have a 
confirmatory IFA though.  False positives on the snap test are common.

On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 4:30 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

Harley and Dee go outside at will and spend most of their time on the deck.  
Homie and Annie do not go out.  Homey was a feral, but 2 years ago, she stopped 
going outside, acts afraid.  I don't know what frightened her, maybe my BIG cat 
(mountain lion), but he has never come closer to the house than 100 yards.  
Annie is a basket case , afraid of her own shadow.  She was left by her owner 
who died of cancer in a trailer for 3 weeks, then chucked in a box, brought to 
the vet and then came home with me to a large house, 2 humans and 2 cats.  she 
spent her first 2 weeks in the basement , sneaking up for food and water.  sshe 
is getting better, but runs and hisses when she sees the others, only feels 
safe in my closet or on my bed when i go to bed.

 Maria Hunter maria.hunte...@cox.net wrote:
 Also do you keep her indoors?

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 Jennifer Lewis
 Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 8:37 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rehome one-year-old grey cat

 Where?
 On May 9, 2015, at 3:08 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

  If youi can afford it, keep him/her.  I have a nine year old that was
 diagnosed at age 4.  She is still healthy as can be.  None of my other cats
 has contracted FELV.
 
 
   Maria Hunter maria.hunte...@cox.net wrote:
 
  Hello, I am trying to find new homes for my sisters cats that she has
 been taking care of for a year now. The next door neighbor complained and
 was going to have them picked up by animal control. Therefore I had them
 brought to my garage by the help of a Cat rescue inc. volunteer. I have been
 trying to get help for adoption of five cats. Unfortunately I had one of
 them fixed yesterday and he is diagnosed with feline leukemia. Trying to
 find a new home for him. Any suggestions?
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please help! Anemic felv kitty, what can be done??

2015-02-27 Thread Amy
I have lost several leukemia positives to non-regenerative anemia. In my 
experience, when all other causes of anemia had been ruled out (including 
Hemobart), I was unable to find anything that stopped the progression. That 
said, I never lost hope for a miracle. I hope you have a different outcome. I 
watched mine closely as the hematocrit dropped and when I knew it was time, I 
took them to the vet. I didn't let them pass on their own as a very low 
hematocrit makes it difficult to carry oxygen and I didn't want them to suffer. 
It was very clear to us when it was time with each one. Each cat is so 
different and it is such a personal decision.

My 2 cents, rule out all other causes of anemia. If truly non-regenerative, 
enjoy every minute with the kitty! Best wishes for your kitty.

Amy

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[Felvtalk] Donatello

2015-01-20 Thread Amy
Can somebody just tell me if my email about Donatello went out yesterday?  I 
got a response that my membership was disabled due to excessive bounces, no 
idea why.  Wondering if anybody got my email.
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[Felvtalk] Donatello - Leuk positive cat in PA

2015-01-19 Thread Amy
The rescue where I volunteer recently took in a stray that tested positive for 
leukemia.  We are looking for a loving home for him.  I have pictures if 
anybody is interested and his information is on Facebook and on our website.  
He is one handsome fella!
https://www.facebook.com/AnimalServiceLeague

http://www.animalserviceleagueny.org/

Donatello was found as a stray. He is a large, male, black and white spotted 
cat. Upon testing, he was found to be positive for feline leukemia. This test 
has been confirmed by further blood work. He is estimated to be about four 
years old and is a big, truly friendly, and affectionate cat. He is VERY sweet 
and full of personality! He is in need of a loving, permanent indoor home with 
other leukemia positive cats or in a home with properly leukemia vaccinated 
cats. Although he has been accustomed to outdoor life, he is currently in 
indoor isolation away from other cats and would be very happy to have more 
freedom and friends. He just cannot be outside anymore where he could expose or 
infect other cats. His eyes are bright and he appears healthy and is active. We 
have neutered him and completed his vaccinations. If you are interested in a 
special needs cat, please consider Donatello. We will do whatever we have to do 
to find him a safe place! 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Newly adopted sick babies. Help

2015-01-01 Thread Amy
Are they positive for FIV or leukemia?  Cats can live a very long life with FIV.
Amy
  From: barbe berbes berbe...@gmail.com
 To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2015 4:28 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Newly adopted sick babies. Help
   
I have recently adopted  a mommy/son family both tested positive for feline 
aids(which is why I adopted them).  I realize theirlifespan is limited and want 
to give them the best care   love possible. Love comes easy however I don't 
know anything about the disease nor how  to treat it, what signs to look for 
that may be a red light for immediate vet trip or new treatment. I am 59 and 
have plenty of love and time to devote to my new babies.  Please help me with 
websites, advice and ANY other information to help my little lovelies. Thank 
you for hearing my plea. God bless all who are fortunate enough to share 
moments with kitties who if left in shelters would have a lonely hard short 
life.
Barbe Freppon 
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[Felvtalk] 5 leukemia positive kittens

2014-11-14 Thread Amy
I volunteer for a rescue in Rochester, NY and have also owned leukemia positive 
cats (rescues) for years.  We were recently contacted by somebody that adopted 
out a kitten from a litter of 5 that she found outdoors.  She got a call from 
the adopters that the kitten tested positive and that the people needed to 
bring him back.  She wanted help so we paid to have all 5 kittens tested this 
week.  All five are positive.  The foster is willing to hold them for 30 days 
so we can retest them but she does not want to euthanize (nor would we suggest 
that) and she can't keep them.  She has five cats of her own and can't take 
another 5.  She would like us to try to find adoptive homes for them.

We have agreed to find homes for them if she will let us screen the homes and 
do the adoptions through our rescue, Animal Service League.  We would love to 
find homes for them with people that know this disease.  We have a black, a 
blue cream, a gray and white, a calico and a tortie.  Pictures are available if 
you email me.  We will determine sex and give them names soon.  We will also 
retest them at 30 days or possibly do an IFA to make sure they are positive if 
somebody wants them sooner and has other leuk positives.  We wouldn't want to 
send them to a home with leukemia if there is any chance they are going to 
fight it off but will all five positive, we suspect some or all of them will 
remain positive.

These kittens will not be free.  We will do all the vetting on them - 
spays/neuters, microchipping, rabies, distemper, flea and parasite treatment, 
etc., and will charge a $115 adoption fee.  We are a rescue and will not adopt 
out animals that are not fully vetted and we don't do free adoptions.  We are 
aware that they may not live past a year or two but they still deserve a 
loving, responsible home and proper veterinary care.  

If anybody is interested in helping one of these little beauties, please let us 
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Re: [Felvtalk] 5 leukemia positive kittens

2014-11-14 Thread Amy
Did she get leukemia as a kitten?  I have a 12 year old leuk positive but I 
didn't get him til he was three so not sure if he had it as a kitten or an 
adult.  I also just lost one of my leuk positives that was 12, also got her 
around 4 so not sure when she got leukemia.  Anybody that I had with leukemia 
as a kitten hasn't made it past 2 :(  I know any of them can defy the odds and 
I always tell people that but I will warn people that there may be heartbreak 
ahead.  I think it is only fair.  Never stopped me from helping these little 
ones though.  They are all so special.

We just had an entire litter convert at our rescue (which the vets and the 
specialists have told me is really unusual) so I'm hoping for the best for 
these little cuties.  So happy your Annie is doing well!!!



 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 5 leukemia positive kittens
 

MAY NOT LIVE OVER A YEAR, BUT THEN YOU NEVER KNOW.  MY ANNIE IS NOW 8 YEARS OLD 
.




 Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 I volunteer for a rescue in Rochester, NY and have also owned leukemia 
 positive cats (rescues) for years.  We were recently contacted by somebody 
 that adopted out a kitten from a litter of 5 that she found outdoors.  She 
 got a call from the adopters that the kitten tested positive and that the 
 people needed to bring him back.  She wanted help so we paid to have all 5 
 kittens tested this week.  All five are positive.  The foster is willing to 
 hold them for 30 days so we can retest them but she does not want to 
 euthanize (nor would we suggest that) and she can't keep them.  She has five 
 cats of her own and can't take another 5.  She would like us to try to find 
 adoptive homes for them.
 
 We have agreed to find homes for them if she will let us screen the homes and 
 do the adoptions through our rescue, Animal Service League.  We would love to 
 find homes for them with people that know this disease.  We have a black, a 
 blue cream, a gray and white, a calico and a tortie.  Pictures are available 
 if you email me.  We will determine sex and give them names soon.  We will 
 also retest them at 30 days or possibly do an IFA to make sure they are 
 positive if somebody wants them sooner and has other leuk positives.  We 
 wouldn't want to send them to a home with leukemia if there is any chance 
 they are going to fight it off but will all five positive, we suspect some or 
 all of them will remain positive.
 
 These kittens will not be free.  We will do all the vetting on them - 
 spays/neuters, microchipping, rabies, distemper, flea and parasite treatment, 
 etc., and will charge a $115 adoption fee.  We are a rescue and will not 
 adopt out animals that are not fully vetted and we don't do free adoptions.  
 We are aware that they may not live past a year or two but they still deserve 
 a loving, responsible home and proper veterinary care.  
 
 If anybody is interested in helping one of these little beauties, please let 
 us know.
 
 Amy Weygandt


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Re: [Felvtalk] 5 leukemia positive kittens

2014-11-14 Thread Amy
 they are leukemia free and can be 
adopted out as such.  I know that is highly unlikely but it can happen.  The 
SNAP tests only indicates exposure, not true infection from what I've been 
told.  Not every exposed cat remains infected as you all know and I just want 
to be sure these are true positives if they are going to mix with leuk 
positives.

So anyway, that is all I can say about these babies.  Not sure why people are 
on my case.  I thought this would be a great resource because I've seen people 
ask about finding a leuk positive kitty.  Just wanted to post here in case 
somebody was willing to open their home and heart to one of these babies.

Btw, to the poster that told me I most likely have 3 girls.  Yes, I suspected 
the blue cream, the tortie and the calico would be girls.  They are.  The black 
and the gray and white are boys.  I just wasn't 100 sure yet :)

Amy Weygandt



 From: Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 5 leukemia positive kittens
 


Marsha..sorry..when I said I don't know what you want I was referring to the 
OP, who if I recall correctly said something along the lines of we don't want 
these cats in with other FELV+ cats if they could possibly be negative.  So 
the way I read her post was:  we want people with no cats who are willing to 
take the very probable heartbreak of a FELV+ kitten and promise to not expose 
it to other FELV+ cats and who will pay us over a hundred dollars for doing so. 
 This is possible, but not very likely IMHO.   Even in our rescue, after a 
certain point they would eat up over $100 worth of food and we would be losing 
money even if we did get $100 plus for them.  More importantly, everyone is 
limited in space, and an animal in a foster home means another animal your 
rescue cannot help.
The facebook group is interesting, and I encourage those on Facebook to join, 
not that I want to take traffic away from here, but most are very very very 
very stridently against mixing.I tried to get them to come here, but 
haven't had any luck that I know of.  There is a very strange situation going 
on there that I'd like to get some input on.  There is a kitten who has tested 
(snap and IFA) pos for FELV.  This kitten came from a breeder who tests all her 
cats regularly and none has ever tested positive.  The kitten's owner took the 
kitten to the vet as per contract within 10 days of buying the cat and got a 
positive test.  Rechecked with IFA, still positive.  ALL THE OTHER CATS were 
retested by the breeder and are still negative.  All the other kittens in the 
litter have tested negative.  HOW did this kitten contract FELV?  

Anyway here is the link:  https://www.facebook.com/groups/26073442228/




On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:




Kelly, now *I'm* confused.  I don't want anything.  I was just sharing my 
personal experiences and putting some suggestions out there.  Some of the 
resources you or others may already know about, but others might be new to 
some people.  Feel free to list your Facebook resources so people here are 
aware of those too.   Or maybe you were really replying to the same person I 
was replying to?  

Idea for everyone:  make up a flyer with some basic info about
  FeLV, with a picture of one or more or your FeLV+ cats looking
  happy and living the good life.  Maybe put a link on the flyer to 
felineleukemia.org or other resource(s).  Distribute the flyer to local vet 
offices for when the vet gets a client with a cat that tests positive.  The vet 
could show the flyer to the owner so that the owner can see that there is 
support available, and that FeLV+ cats can live a happy life for a variable 
number of years.

Marsha

On 11/14/2014 1:00 PM, Kelley S wrote:

There are some other places to list on Facebook, if you would like the links.  
One thing that struck me when I read your post was confusion on my part as to 
what exactly you wanted.  It seemed to me reading it, and I may be reading 
things into this, that you did not want the kittens to go to a home with FELV+ 
cats in there already.   That, in addition to the adoption fee, is going to 
make it *almost* impossible to ever find these kittens a home (nothing is 100% 
impossible of course).  Also, once you adopt the kitten out, you don't have 
control over what the adopters do later.  They may bring in FELV+ cats later.  
My heart kitty died of heart disease brought on by a congenital defect.  I 
spent a lot of time holding her and crying because she was going to die.  They 
are all going to die, we hope after many years in a happy home.  I spent more 
time mourning her death than I did celebrating her life.  This was  a grave 
mistake on my part.



On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:

Some adopters may make a donation to the organization they adopt a zero-fee 
cat from.  I

Re: [Felvtalk] 5 leukemia positive kittens

2014-11-14 Thread Amy
Marsha,

I would like to thank you for your suggestions, help and support.  Even though 
you may not agree with everything I'm saying, you have been very respectful and 
helpful.  It is most appreciated.

Amy



 From: Marsha mar...@lynxe.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 5 leukemia positive kittens
 

Some adopters may make a donation to the organization they adopt a 
zero-fee cat from.  I did.  You might make a cat low or no fee, but say, 
donations gratefully accepted.  If you list on PetFinder, consider 
adding FeLV+ to the heading, besides just listing them as special 
needs.  Some people are looking specifically for a FeLV+ cat as a 
companion for one they already have, and not putting that in the heading 
forces those people to sift through every special needs listing to find 
the FeLV+ kitty.  I turned to PetFinder after having no luck locally 
finding a companion for Harley, and did a search by zip code.  I 
specified up to 100 miles, and that's how I found Brock.  Actually, 
113 miles away, but the search goes by zip code.

There are also some listings here (up for adoption or looking to adopt 
FeLV, FIV, FIP +): 
http://www.bemikitties.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/classifieds/classifieds.cgi
You can also get to that by the felineleukemia.org website.

One other place to list is the PurringPixie yahoo group.

Marsha
(with Harley  Brock)




On 11/14/2014 11:05 AM, Katherine K. wrote:
 Amy,
 I wish you the best of luck in placing these kittens. I had a litter 
 of 4 positive kittens and tried very hard to find good homes for them, 
 with no luck, so they lived with me until they passed away, most 
 before they were 1 year old. It was a very busy year, but they were a 
 lovely little group and it was nice seeing them stay together as a 
 family for the time they had.
 I have to agree with Kelley that a $115 adoption fee in reality is not 
 likely to help you get them placed in homes. In my experience, people 
 just don't want to adopt and get attached to, much less pay a fee for, 
 a kitty who will probably not live long. I was lucky enough to be 
 working with a larger rescue organization who covered their shots, 
 spay/neuters and testing expenses. I just provided the home, food, 
 love and tears :)
 I suggest making flyers with the best photos you can get, and make 
 them sound very friendly and loving. Play the sympathy card for all 
 it's worth! :)



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Re: [Felvtalk] 5 leukemia positive kittens

2014-11-14 Thread Amy
Katherine,

I as well tried adopting out a mom and 3 kittens.  No response.  I kept them 
all and that was my start to a life of leuk positives.  I wouldn't change it 
for anything!  I have a son now, though, and the constant heartbreak on him is 
too much.  I wish I could save these 5 but I have a senior with leukemia and my 
vet thinks it would be unfair to him.

Amy


 From: Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Cc: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 5 leukemia positive kittens
 


Amy,

I wish you the best of luck in placing these kittens. I had a litter of 4 
positive kittens and tried very hard to find good homes for them, with no luck, 
so they lived with me until they passed away, most before they were 1 year old. 
It was a very busy year, but they were a lovely little group and it was nice 
seeing them stay together as a family for the time they had. 

I have to agree with Kelley that a $115 adoption fee in reality is not likely 
to help you get them placed in homes. In my experience, people just don't want 
to adopt and get attached to, much less pay a fee for, a kitty who will 
probably not live long. I was lucky enough to be working with a larger rescue 
organization who covered their shots, spay/neuters and testing expenses. I just 
provided the home, food, love and tears :) 

I suggest making flyers with the best photos you can get, and make them sound 
very friendly and loving. Play the sympathy card for all it's worth! :)

Good luck,
Katherine





On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

I must not be getting all the posts.  FELV+ kittens are very hard to place,and 
the adoption fee you are charging doesn't make it easier.  I too do rescue.   
We adopted out a double positive cat to a person on this list. We altered her, 
vaccinated her, tested and retested her.  We charged $25 and today I doubt we'd 
charge that. She went to an excellent home, we got pictures and updates.  She 
recently was euthanized due to severe cardiomyopathy and lived 7.5 years.  I 
wish you the best of luck testing your 5.  Maybe someone here has room for a 
new kitty:)



On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 8:53 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

I GOT ANNIE AS AN ADULT OF 4 YRS, BUT THE VET THINKS SHE WAS ALWAYS POSITIVE.  
SHE HAD NEVER BEEN OUTSIDE THE LADY'S HOUSE AND WAS SPOILED ROTTEN.  I HAVE 
HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH MY OTHER CATS WHO WERE ANYWHERE FROM 1 YEAR TO 10 YEARS.  
MOST DIE OF OLD AGE AT 18 OR SO.  YOU DO HAVE TO BE VERY OBSERVANT AND CATCH 
ANY PROBLEM BEFORE IT CAN GET STARTED.
I AGREE, YOU HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE, BUT IF THEY REALLY LOVE CATS, THEY WILL 
TAKE THE CHANCE AND LOVE THEM UNTIL THEY ARE GONE.  WHAT YOU GET FROM THEM IN 
THAT SHORT TIME IS WORTH IT.

 Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Did she get leukemia as a kitten?  I have a 12 year old leuk positive but I 
 didn't get him til he was three so not sure if he had it as a kitten or an 
 adult.  I also just lost one of my leuk positives that was 12, also got her 
 around 4 so not sure when she got leukemia.  Anybody that I had with 
 leukemia as a kitten hasn't made it past 2 :(  I know any of them can defy 
 the odds and I always tell people that but I will warn people that there 
 may be heartbreak ahead.  I think it is only fair.  Never stopped me from 
 helping these little ones though.  They are all so special.

 We just had an entire litter convert at our rescue (which the vets and the 
 specialists have told me is really unusual) so I'm hoping for the best for 
 these little cuties.  So happy your Annie is doing well!!!


 
  From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
 To: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 9:28 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 5 leukemia positive kittens



 MAY NOT LIVE OVER A YEAR, BUT THEN YOU NEVER KNOW.  MY ANNIE IS NOW 8 YEARS 
 OLD .




  Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:
  I volunteer for a rescue in Rochester, NY and have also owned leukemia 
  positive cats (rescues) for years.  We were recently contacted by 
  somebody that adopted out a kitten from a litter of 5 that she found 
  outdoors.  She got a call from the adopters that the kitten tested 
  positive and that the people needed to bring him back.  She wanted help 
  so we paid to have all 5 kittens tested this week.  All five are 
  positive.  The foster is willing to hold them for 30 days so we can 
  retest them but she does not want to euthanize (nor would we suggest 
  that) and she can't keep them.  She has five cats of her own and can't 
  take another 5.  She would like us to try to find adoptive homes for them.
 
  We have agreed to find homes for them if she will let us screen the homes 
  and do the adoptions through our rescue, Animal Service League.  We would 
  love to find homes for them

Re: [Felvtalk] Light positive reading

2014-09-28 Thread Amy
The rescue I'm part of had 4 kittens that all tested positive for leukemia.  We 
held them all and retested later and found one negative, some weak positives 
and a strong positive.  We retested again later, all 4 negative.   We spoke 
with somebody at the ASPCA and they said if it had been one kitten, they may 
have thought test error.  Since all 4 converted and still remain negative, it 
appears the weak positive showed they were clearing the virus from their 
system.  We got very lucky!
Amy
  From: Marsha mar...@lynxe.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Light positive reading
   
Many years ago (early 80's I think), I had a cat that supposedly showed 
a faint positive.  The vet thought maybe it was a mistake, and a later 
test turned up negative.  I have heard that it is always a mistake, and 
I have also heard the theory that a cat is fighting off the infection. 
Anybody want to contact a manufacturer?

Marsha



On 9/28/2014 12:02 PM, Lance wrote:
 I’d like to know more about this as well. I was told that Ember was a “weak 
 positive” at her first test. She definitely had the virus (subsequent ELISAs 
 were positive, and CBCs seemed to back those up in showing immunosuppression).

 On Sep 28, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi guys,

 Long ago I learned from this list, there is no such thing as light positive 
 reading.  It indicates an error with the test.  I don't have documentation to 
 back this up, can anyone help?



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Re: [Felvtalk] Just tested positive

2014-07-25 Thread Amy
Hi Jennifer,

So sorry to hear about Smoosh.  Thank you for loving her for the 13 months you 
had with her.  She was a lucky girl.  

Amy



 From: Jennifer Lewis blonded...@mac.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Just tested positive
 


We said goodnight to my heart, my Smoosh about an hour ago. 
She contracted the virus from her feral mom, and came to us at 8 weeks after 
being trapped. We loved her dearly for 13 wonderful months until she left with 
my heart tonight. 





On Jul 24, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Maya D'Alessio wrote:

I am a microbiologist, so the lack of research really does frustrate me. I was 
asking the vet if we know if the viral load increases over time like in hiv. He 
said there was very limited funding for felv research. Very frustrating.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Just tested positive

2014-07-25 Thread Amy
First of all,  I'm so sorry about your loss of Yang.  I've been through it so 
many times and it NEVER gets any easier.

The good news is that I have two adults, 10 and 11, that have had leukemia 
since I got them, almost 10 years ago.  They have been healthy all along.  I've 
had my share of ones that made it less than 2 years and some that made it 4 or 
5 years.  You never really know.  Just take it one day at a time and cherish 
every minute. 

We don't do anything special here.  We tried lots of stuff at the beginning but 
it never seemed to help for us.  I just try to keep stress levels low and love 
them and that seems to work :)

Best of luck.  Hope you have many years with Merlot.

Amy



 From: Maya D'Alessio mde...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:12 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Just tested positive
 


Hello everyone,

My cat Merlot, just tested positive for FeLV yesterday afternoon.  We had him 
tested, because my three year old cat Yang (female) started acting ill at the 
end of June, the next morning I took her in to the vets and we discovered she 
was anemic, jaundiced and had a high fever.  They checked her blood levels and 
found she was anemic (about 13, vs 26 in a healthy cat).  She stayed at the vet 
during the day  and her blood levels didn't get any worse, and our vet was 
optimistic.  They transferred her over to the emergency clinic which was open 
all evening and in to the weekend.  They monitored her overnight and her red 
blood cells decreased, her fever lowered but she went past normal to too cold.  
That morning the blood tests came back and she was positive for FeLV.  We were 
shocked.  Even worse was that her detailed blood work showed no uptick in blood 
cell production, where she should have increased production, she actually had 
almost no
 production.  We then got to see her before we had to put her down.  That was 
the hardest day of my life.

Now, with Merlot testing positive I am terrified of losing him so quickly, and 
I am still grieving for Yang.  I know the statistics are not great for long 
term prognosis, but he is currently healthy (just a tiny bit of gingivitis - we 
are going to start brushing his teeth).  What can I do to keep him healthy?  
How do I live with him everyday without starting to grieve him already?  I know 
we all are going to die someday, but this just feels like it is going to hang 
over me.  I am still doing reading on the disease and newer treatments and 
such, but do these all start after the cat becomes noticeably ill, or are there 
things I can be doing now to help keep him healthy?  Are probiotics helpful in 
this case?

For those who have or have had a healthy FeLV cat, how long did they stay 
healthy for?


-- 

Maya D'Alessio

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Re: [Felvtalk] Positive to negative

2014-07-17 Thread Amy
You tried Leuk's Landing?



 From: Mercy Cats mercyc...@outlook.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Positive to negative
 


Thank you, everyone.  I'm still trying to catch the mother cat from the park 
and am worried about her status.  When I catch her I'll get her tested myself.  
But positive or negative, I don't have room for another cat.  I found out about 
the park from my husband.  The conversation started, I don't want another cat. 
 If I told you I know where there's a mother cat and kittens, where could they 
go?  I had to find someplace to take them before he showed me where they were. 
 The local humane society changed management last year.  They are now no kill 
except for FIV and FeLV.  Before that they killed everything.  The shelter I 
used to work with also changed management, but that one was for the worse.   

Both my husband and I have health issues.  Taking in another cat is not an 
option.  Is anyone from the group in Michigan?  I'm in St. Clair County.  There 
are 2 rescues on the west side of the state that take FeLV+ cats, but both are 
full.  

I can't just abandon the mother cat.  Someone already did that.  But I'm making 
an almost 50 mile round trip every day to feed her.










From: lini...@fastmail.fm
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 20:39:00 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Positive to negative


Current thinking seems to be that the odds of a regressive infection resulting 
in FeLV-related disease is “unlikely”. This is according to the 2008 AAFP 
Retrovirus Guidelines. Focal infections where the virus is restricted to 
certain tissues are rare, and these infections also seem unlikely to result in 
FeLV-associated disease. 

Lance

On Jul 16, 2014, at 8:29 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:

Note on going negative:  sometimes the virus can become dormant and hide for 
a while.  It can later reactivate and the cat will test positive again.

Marsha


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Re: [Felvtalk] Positive to negative

2014-07-17 Thread Amy
Nope, I meant Leuk's.  They were going to take a litter of positive kittens 
from me but they all converted.  It is a leukemia only sanctuary.  Leona Foster 
runs it and is great.

Leuk's Landing

  
             
Leuk's Landing
Non profit permanent home for kitties with Feline Leukemia (FeLV).  
View on www.leukslanding.org Preview by Yahoo  
  

Amy



 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
To: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Positive to negative
 


Are you referring to Crash's Landing? They're a large no-kill in Grand Rapids 
(I think). They have a separate shelter next door for FeLV and FIV cats called 
Big Sid's. I support CL when I can. They really care, and Dr. Jen (the vet 
behind Crash's) has pulled off some miracles on injured and ill rescues.

On Jul 17, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:


You tried Leuk's Landing?




 From: Mercy Cats mercyc...@outlook.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Positive to negative
 


Thank you, everyone.  I'm still trying to catch the mother cat from the park 
and am worried about her status.  When I catch her I'll get her tested myself. 
 But positive or negative, I don't have room for another cat.  I found out 
about the park from my husband.  The conversation started, I don't want 
another cat.  If I told you I know where there's a mother cat and kittens, 
where could they go?  I had to find someplace to take them before he showed 
me where they were.  The local humane society changed management last year.  
They are now no kill except for FIV and FeLV.  Before that they killed 
everything.  The shelter I used to work with also changed management, but that 
one was for the worse.   

Both my husband and I have health issues.  Taking in
 another cat is not an option.  Is anyone from the group in Michigan?  I'm in 
St. Clair County.  There are 2 rescues on the west side of the state that take 
FeLV+ cats, but both are full.  

I can't just abandon the mother cat.  Someone already did that.  But I'm 
making an almost 50 mile round trip every day to feed her.










From: lini...@fastmail.fm
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 20:39:00 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Positive to negative


Current thinking seems to be that the odds of a regressive infection resulting 
in FeLV-related disease is “unlikely”. This is according to the 2008 AAFP 
Retrovirus Guidelines. Focal infections where the virus is restricted to 
certain tissues are rare, and these infections also seem unlikely to result in 
FeLV-associated disease. 


Lance

On Jul 16, 2014, at 8:29 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:

Note on going negative:  sometimes the virus can become dormant and hide for 
a while.  It can later reactivate and the cat will test positive again.

Marsha


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Re: [Felvtalk] Positive to negative

2014-07-16 Thread Amy
We just had four kittens and an adult go from pos to neg at our rescue.

Amy



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Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:19 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Positive to negative
 


 
I just found out that a couple of young cats (nine months old or so) that had 
been abandoned in a county park, and that I caught and took to a local humane 
society last month, were euthanized because they were felv+.   The cats 
probably wouldn't have survived the virus; they were emaciated and one had lost 
the sight in one eye because of an untreated URI.  But the shelter tried to 
tell me that felv is ALWAYS fatal, and I realize it's difficult to get people 
to adopt + cats, but I know some adult cats can shake off the virus.  
Our garage cat, Snowball, originally came to us from our veterinarian because 
we were the only ones who would take a leuk+ cat.  That was in December 2008.  
At the time we had Harley who was dumped as an FeLV kitten.   Harley died six 
weeks later.  Snowball tested negative for FeLV in August 2013 and again in 
February 2014.   I've seen a few postings by people who have also had cats go 
from (+) to (-).   Does this happen more often than most people think?   


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[Felvtalk] from: Amy Dalgliesh subject:

2013-06-09 Thread Amy Dalgliesh


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[Felvtalk] FIV and oral cancer

2012-07-18 Thread Amy
I know this isn't an FIV group but I thought I might be able to find some 
helpful info.  I have two cats that have leukemia and I've been through 
lymphoma and cancer with several of the positives.  This time it is my FIV+ 
that is having trouble.  About a month ago, we noticed a large swelling on the 
side of her face.  We took her to the vet and she had a bad tooth which started 
bleeding when the doctor touched it.  My vet, who I adore and who has never 
steered me wrong over all the years of my leuk positives, recommended I put her 
on antibiotics and bring her back to have the tooth removed.  We did that and 
she had 4 extractions.  She had bloodwork and testing prior to surgery and 
everything was beautiful.  No signs of anything but a dental abscess.  

Following the surgery, the swelling on her face was not going away.  She has 
been on very strong antibiotics (trying different kinds and multiple ones 
together) and yet the mass continues to grow.  My vet started by saying she was 
concerned we might be dealing with cancer.  At this point, she is fully 
convinced there is a tumor growing in there.  For all my other cats, I have 
pursued test after test trying to save them.  I've done chemo, I've gone to 
Cornell University trying to save some of them, but ultimately the cancer 
always seems to win.  So my vet said I could let her be or I could put her 
under and do dental x-rays and a biopsy.  Her socket has not even healed from 
her dental and my vet said she personally probably wouldn't put her through the 
biopsy as we are either dealing with infection or cancer and we are both 
confident this is not infection.  Has anybody else ever been through something 
like this?  I don't want to put her through
 any more sedation, testing, etc. if her days are numbered but I also wonder if 
I could be missing something.  My vet gave me this kitty and she loves her like 
her own kitty so I'm leaning towards following her advice.  I just always 
thought my FIV+ kitty might live a long, normal life and am so bummed to be 
possibly dealing with cancer yet again.  Would love to hear about anybody else 
that has been through oral cancer as this is one cancer that I haven't been 
through before.

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Re: [Felvtalk] What_could_it_be?

2012-04-28 Thread Amy Dalgliesh
I have an FeLV kitty that out of the blue one day couldn't stand up.  She 
leaned and fell to the right.  If I leaned her up against an ottoman, she could 
walk in a circle clock-wise, but if she moved away from the ottoman, she fell 
down.  The veterinarian had no idea what it was, and attributed it to the 
leukemia and gave me a sad prognosis.  That was three years ago.  She still has 
a little bit of balance problem, but compensates for it by standing in what we 
call her ballet first position.  We still don't know what it was, but I hope 
your little one has as much of a turn around as Eliza Jane has had.



From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What_could_it_be?


Oh - we went to see the opthalmologist about her uveitis.  He gave her 
azithromycin (sp?) and two kinds of eye drops.  It was prednisolone and 
neomycin eye drops.  It still hasn't gone away.  He said it could be anything, 
especially since she has FeLV, but the treatment was the same so we didn't 
waste money doing any further testing on her.  The uveitis has gotten better 
but it hasn't completely gone away and there's still some swelling behind her 
eye.  It's not nearly as red or painful anymore.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:48:08 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What_could_it_be?


I've never heard of CH, thanks for the info. Diabetes is not good even though 
it's treatable. I do hope that you get more blood work done even though you 
stated the bloodwork was okay a couple of months ago. Have you noticed an 
increase in fluids or urination? Keep us posted, I will be thinking of you. You 
have helped me in so many ways in the past. 
 
What meds did your vet give for the uveitis?
 
Good luck, Maureen!
 
Lynda
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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What_could_it_be?

Maureen,
She could be a CH Kitty...Cerebellar Hypoplasia this can happen in both cats 
and dogs at a young age. Some are born with it. It is a Brain Neuro issue. It 
can affect any kitty whether they are FELV or not.
I have 2 kitties that have this as they are Siamese. One is about 6-7 months 
old and the other is a senior. 
You can also go to facebook and look this up under this. (Cerebellar 
Hypoplasia Kitties) I'm on the group as well. It will give you more details. 
There is help and a great deal of knowledge.
You can google this as well.
My suggestion is to take the kitty to the Vet for blood-work. If the 
blood-work comes back clean ask your Vet about this. A good Vet will make it 
more understanding for you.
Some animal shelters will euthanized both kittens/cats/puppies/dogs that have 
this. They don't want to deal with a special needs animal. 
My kitties came from out of state shelters.
These animals can live very full lives. They just aren't normal they can eat, 
play, sleep, and use the potty like others but slower with handicaps.



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Date: Sat, April 28, 2012 4:51 am
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

I have a FeLV kitten that I'm fostering.  She's six or seven months old.  
She's the one I emailed about a couple months ago with uveitis.  The uveitis 
never has completely cleared up.  But now I'm not sure what's going on.  Her 
back legs are kind of wobbly.  It's not bad enough that my husband has 
noticed yet, but I can see it.  It's like she's slightly drunk.  She's 
walking okay with the front legs but her back legs give way a little or 
something when she's walking.  She's eating and going to the bathroom.  She 
doesn't run around and play as much as the other cats do, but never really 
has.  She's just a real mellow and loving kitten and I just thought that must 
be why she's not as playful.  I'm not sure though.  She's not growing a lot 
too.  The other kitten her age, not related, has grown much faster than she 
has.

So any ideas?  Why do you guys think she's started getting wobbly in the back 
legs.  She can still jump on things but not as sure-footed as the others.  I 
don't know if her muscles are getting weak or if she's anemic or what.  A 
couple months ago her bloodwork at the 

[Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-06 Thread Amy
Ben,

I'm very sorry to hear about Dexter.  He sounds like such a special boy.  It's 
never easy to know exactly the right time to let such a cherished friend go.  I 
have lost so many to this disease and I wonder the same things at times.  Did 
this one suffer?  Did I wait too long?  Did I miss something?  Could I have 
changed the outcome?  Could I have done more?  I've just tried to focus on the 
positive.  Dexter had you by his side through all of this.  What more could he 
possibly have asked for?  All that matters is that you love him and had his 
best interest in mind the whole time and he knows that.  He was so lucky to 
have you and you him.  Hoping you find comfort in all the wonderful memories 
you have of Dexter.    

Amy

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[Felvtalk] Test post

2011-07-06 Thread Amy
My last post to Ben had question marks all through it that I did not type.  
Guessing it might be due to the new Yahoo e-mail upgrade.  Sorry!
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[Felvtalk] Rosie

2011-03-30 Thread Amy
Alice,

I'm so sorry to hear about Rosie.  I have followed your journey closely always 
hoping and praying your kitties would beat this.  I started my journey with a 
leuk positive mom and 3 kitties (Shelby, Mystique, Nirvana and Hannibal) who 
have all since passed so your story hit really close to home for me.  It has 
been so difficult to watch any of my cats go through this but I know it was 
really tough to see the disease take down one family member after another.  I 
hope you find peace in knowing they are all together again.  So sorry.

Amy  

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[Felvtalk] Murphy

2010-10-27 Thread Amy
Alice,

I'm so sorry to hear about Murphy.  I will so miss reading about him.  I feel 
like I knew him and hoped for him to beat this disease like I do my own cats.  
I got introduced to this disease when I found a mom and three kittens that all 
tested positive and have never had a cat that's not positive since.  I read 
your posts always hoping your kitties would defy the odds and live long adult 
lives.  You were so wonderful to Murphy.  I hope you have many happy memories 
to bring you comfort during this sad time.  

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Re: [Felvtalk] please add Tiger to the CLS

2010-09-02 Thread Amy
Laura,

Sorry to hear about Tiger.  I can relate to what you are feeling.  I lost a cat 
quickly about a year ago.  He showed no signs of illness for the longest time.  
By the time he was sick enough for me to notice, it was too late to save him.  
I'll never know why he crashed so hard or so quickly.  I think he had hemobart 
and was anemic and I had just switched to yearly blood work as opposed to every 
6 months so I missed it.  I beat myself up over losing him and wish I had seen 
the signs.  Sorry for the long story.  Just wanted to say that now that time 
has passed, I realize that I loved him and I did the best I could.  He wouldn't 
have expected anything more than that.  Tiger was so lucky to have you.  He was 
loved and cared for and that is what matters.  Sorry he left you too soon.  

Amy



  

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Re: [Felvtalk] EVO and high calcium levels

2010-08-29 Thread Amy
Yeah this is what Cornell suggested with Wolfie.  He was anemic 
(non-regenerative) and I posted here about whether to pursue it.  Decided not 
to take the extra blood so I don't know if it was really a problem.

This kitty, Sierra, is stable so it probably wouldn't be a big deal.  I asked 
my vet about it and she said she'd first rather send the sample out to an 
outside lab and verify the high value.  Came back high.  I'll ask again about 
drawing more blood for an ionized calcium.

Thanks!
Amy  

--- On Sat, 8/28/10, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] EVO and high calcium levels
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 10:23 PM
 Amy, I'm guessing you have only
 checked the serum calcium levels.  You need to check
 the ionized calcium levels to know if there is a
 problem.  If the iCa is high then you would want to
 look into the cause.  The iCa test is expensive but the
 only way I know of to verify if there is a problem.
 Sharyl
 
 --- On Sat, 8/28/10, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
  Subject: [Felvtalk] EVO and high calcium levels
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 8:33 PM
  Has anybody had a problem with high
  calcium levels after feeding EVO?  I changed my
  household to it over a year ago when Wolfie was
 losing
  weight.  At one of his last visits, his calcium
 tested
  just slightly elevated.  Now I've taken my FIV+ cat
 in
  and she is also testing high for calcium.  She seems
  perfectly healthy and my vet recommended we look at
 the diet
  before getting all freaked out by the high calcium. 
  
  EVO says it contains about 2.59% calcium.  My vet
 says
  this is about double what most of the foods she looked
 up
  contain.  The pet store told me that the grain free
  foods can contain more of stuff because the idea is
 that the
  pet will eat less of it than other foods.  I'm going
 to
  contact the company but just wondered if anybody else
 has
  experienced this with cats on EVO.  
  
  Amy
  
  
        
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] EVO and high calcium levels

2010-08-29 Thread Amy
Hi Laurie,

That's good to know, thanks!  Any explanation for why she was not concerned?  

--- On Sun, 8/29/10, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:

 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] EVO and high calcium levels
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 1:19 PM
 All of my cats have elevated calcium.
 I feed (grain free) Wellness Turkey
 and Salmon. The vet was not concerned.
 Laurie
 
 



  

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[Felvtalk] EVO and high calcium levels

2010-08-28 Thread Amy
Has anybody had a problem with high calcium levels after feeding EVO?  I 
changed my household to it over a year ago when Wolfie was losing weight.  At 
one of his last visits, his calcium tested just slightly elevated.  Now I've 
taken my FIV+ cat in and she is also testing high for calcium.  She seems 
perfectly healthy and my vet recommended we look at the diet before getting all 
freaked out by the high calcium. 

EVO says it contains about 2.59% calcium.  My vet says this is about double 
what most of the foods she looked up contain.  The pet store told me that the 
grain free foods can contain more of stuff because the idea is that the pet 
will eat less of it than other foods.  I'm going to contact the company but 
just wondered if anybody else has experienced this with cats on EVO.  

Amy


  

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[Felvtalk] Wolfie - Please add to CLS

2010-08-23 Thread Amy
Wolfie left us today after a long battle with leukemia.  I took him in 6 years 
ago after he was found in a pole barn and was going to be put to sleep after 
testing positive.  I still remember going to see him for the first time.  He 
had cuts under his eyes and looked so sad.  I couldn't possibly resist even 
though my husband is horribly allergic to cats.  Wolfie thrived in our home and 
was a joy to live with for the past 6 years.  The horrible sores under his eyes 
went away and he grew to be one of my biggest boys.  He was always a momma's 
boy and spent hours and hours on my chest purring and kneading daily.  Even 
when I was pregnant, he spent every night on my belly.  He was the most 
opinionated cat I've ever had and he insisted on his way at all times but it 
was an honor to know him.  

He was diagnosed with non-regenerative anemia on my b-day last year and has 
graced me with almost another year to enjoy him.  I'm so grateful for that time 
with him.  He has fought for the last year with such strength, courage and 
amazing determination.  However, he decided today was the end of the fight.  I 
wouldn't expect anything less from him.  My favorite number is 23 (hence my 
e-mail address awilkins23) and while it's a sad day, I'm glad that I will think 
of Wolfie with wonderful memories every time I see that number.

Thanks for all the advice and support that I've been given while trying to help 
Wolfie beat this disease.

Amy


  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie and weakness

2010-07-28 Thread Amy
Hi Jenny,

Sorry to take so long to respond.  I've just been spending every minute I can 
with Wolfie.  I have been calling around and looking into holistic 
alternatives. So far I've found a vet that does herbal stuff and acupuncture.  
I've not yet found anybody that does chiro.  Still waiting to here from the vet 
at Cornell before making any final decisions.  Thanks for the suggestions.

Amy

--- On Mon, 7/26/10, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:

 From: jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Wolfie and weakness
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 1:09 PM
 Amy,
 
 I don't have much input on restricting activity.  In
 general it seems to me
 that once a cat realizes his limitations he'll limit
 himself.  I am not big
 on limiting them.  They generally do that on their
 own.  I guess it's a
 personal opinion.  Certainly something could happen,
 but something could
 happen to any of us.
 
 I really wanted to see if you would be interested in trying
 a tonic.  It is
 a tonic meant for treatment of cancers, but it has
 properties and benefits
 that extend beyond this.  It has helped various people
 and animals in
 various way.  Noone has ever reported any significant
 negative side effects
 with its use.  It is an herbal tonic consistenting of
 four plant
 derivatives.  I was wondering if it could help a felv
 cat.  It would be
 fantastic to see a reversal of neurologic symptoms.  I
 don't know that it
 would help, but it has done wonders in many settings.
 
 If you're interested I can send you the list of herbs and
 how to prepare
 it.
 
 On a different note, I have seen some amazing things with
 acupuncture and
 alignment on dogs and cats.  If the weakness is not
 due to felv, these
 procedures may help.  You'd have to go to an
 alternative vet for that
 though.  I don't know it was just a thought and I
 figured I put it out
 there.
 
 Jenny
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Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs

2010-07-24 Thread Amy
The potassium was fine at the last vet visit when he was checked for the leg 
weakness (about 4 weeks ago).  I don't think they checked blood pressure.  I'm 
hesitant to keep taking him in over and over for blood work as he has had 
non-regenerative anemia for almost a year now.  

--- On Fri, 7/23/10, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote:

 From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 11:58 PM
    What is the kitties
 potassium and blood pressure?
 
 -- Belinda
 happiness is being owned by cats ...
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs

2010-07-24 Thread Amy
I thought about this too but I always thought arthritis was painful.  I've had 
Wolfie for 6 years and while I know cats don't typically show pain, I'm pretty 
sure this one would let it be known.  I'll definitely bring this up with my vet 
as well, though, in case I'm missing something.  

Thanks!
Amy

--- On Fri, 7/23/10, Chris ti...@mindspring.com wrote:

 From: Chris ti...@mindspring.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 10:57 PM
 Amy--am afraid I haven't been
 following all the details of the various tests
  suggestions and I know it sounds stupid, but is there
 any chance Wolfie
 developed very bad early onset arthritis?  
 
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[Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs

2010-07-23 Thread Amy
Wondering if people would offer an opinion.  My cat, Wolfie, has rear leg 
weakness that is getting progressively worse.  He's been seen by numerous vets 
and it's not going to get any better.  I'm guessing the leukemia is finally 
getting the best of him.  

Anyway, I'm just wondering how much I should let him do.  Initially my vet said 
not to restrict him, that letting him use the muscles was good for them.  He is 
now starting to stumble or sit more often.  He doesn't totally fall over or 
anything, just gets a bit wobbly or sits down.  If he's on linoleum, he has 
much less control of his legs.  He is still jumping up and down on my bed, 
eating, purring, laying on my chest, going up and down stairs, etc.  I don't 
want him to get hurt and him doing the stairs makes me so nervous.  On the 
other hand, I don't want to restrict him out of fear.  I talked to the 
receptionist at the vet and she said if it was her cat, the stairs would be off 
limits.  This will be so tough because I have 3 other cats, 1 very shy one that 
hides in the basement and only comes out when my son is sleeping.  I would have 
to force her to stay in the basement or out of the basement (as opposed to 
having access to the cat door in the
 basement door).  The last thing I want is to see Wolfie get hurt but I can't 
seem to think that if he gets to a point where he can't do the stairs, he will 
stop doing them.  Is that foolish?  He is such an opinionated, strong-willed 
cat and I know he will not be pleased if I restrict him in any fashion.

Oh and he doesn't have to do any stairs.  He has food, water, and litter on all 
floors.  He just chooses to.

Thoughts?

Thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs

2010-07-23 Thread Amy
Hi Tracy,

Thanks for writing.  Sorry to hear about your cat.  I certainly understand you 
being bummed out.  I don't think I could be more bummed out over all this.  Any 
info is helpful to me at this point and I'm very grateful to be part of this 
list.  Please keep me posted on what you find out about the FIP.  

I did come across FIP in my research on what could be causing Wolfie's leg 
problems.  He has seen multiple vets so I guess I just assumed somebody would 
have picked up on that if he was showing any symptoms.  I'll definitely bring 
it up though.  I'm waiting to hear back from Cornell to see if I should take 
him there again.

Amy

--- On Fri, 7/23/10, Tracy Weese trwe...@earthlink.net wrote:

 From: Tracy Weese trwe...@earthlink.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 5:40 PM
 I remember when you posted initially
 -- I responded that I, too, had a cat that began
 experiencing rear leg weakness and then some head
 tremors.  Her blood work (a reg health screen) was
 great (but for FeLV) so they sent her home and said watch
 her and see if it gets better, worse, etc.  Well, it
 never got better so I took her in for xrays and the vet then
 said that toxoplasmosis was a possiblity and one other thing
 (crypto??) and so we ran specific tests for that -- the
 xrays showed no tumors or lesions.
 
 The test results said NO toxo or crypto, but it did show
 corona virus and so now folks are thinking FIP (dry). 
 They are running a blood serum test now and then once I have
 those results will decide whether there is any need to
 explore further.
 
 My vet thinks it really must be FIP bec. of the FeLV status
 and the neuro symptoms and the fact that the xrays were good
 and the other blood tests were negative -- even though it is
 sometimes hard to diagnoses FIP.  So, I am really
 bummed out and don't mean to bum you out, but did not know
 if you explored this or not.  Right now my cat is
 eating well but still has that rear leg weakness and some
 head tremors -- although they seem a little less (this
 could be wishful thinking on my part).  When she came
 home from the xrays and while we were waiting on the toxo
 results, the vet started her on clindamyacin which I
 finished giving her this week.
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
 Sent: Jul 23, 2010 5:23 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs
 
 Amy, I've had several FelV cats with back leg problems,
 and 
 they seem to know when it's time to stop climbing
 stairs or
 trying to jump up on things.  I'd let him do what
 he thinks
 he is up to doing. To restrict him would stress him,
 and 
 this is always bad for FelV cats.
 
 Lorrie
  
 
 On 07-23, Amy wrote:
 
  Wondering if people would offer an opinion. 
 My cat, Wolfie, has
  rear leg weakness that is getting progressively
 worse.  He's been
  seen by numerous vets and it's not going to get
 any better.  I'm
  guessing the leukemia is finally getting the best
 of him.
  
  Anyway, I'm just wondering how much I should let
 him do.  Initially
   my vet said not to restrict him, that
 letting him use the muscles
   was good for them.  He is now starting
 to stumble or sit more
   often.  He doesn't totally fall over or
 anything, just gets a bit
   wobbly or sits down.  If he's on
 linoleum, he has much less
   control of his legs.  He is still
 jumping up and down on my bed,
   eating, purring, laying on my chest, going
 up and down stairs,
   etc.  I don't want him to get hurt and
 him doing the stairs makes
   me so nervous.  On the other hand, I
 don't want to restrict him
   out of fear.  I talked to the
 receptionist at the vet and she said
   if it was her cat, the stairs would be off
 limits.  This will be
   so tough because I have 3 other cats, 1 very
 shy one that hides in
   the basement and only comes out when my son
 is sleeping.  I would
   have to force her to stay in the basement or
 out of the basement
   (as opposed to having access to the cat door
 in the basement
   door).  The last thing I want is to see
 Wolfie get hurt but I
   can't seem to think that if he gets to a
 point where he can't do
   the stairs, he will stop doing them. 
 Is that foolish?  He is such
   an opinionated, strong-willed cat and I know
 he will not be
   pleased if I restrict him in any fashion.
  
  Oh and he doesn't have to do any stairs.  He
 has food, water, and
  litter on all floors.  He just chooses to.
  
  Thoughts?
  
  Thanks
  Amy
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs

2010-07-23 Thread Amy

Thanks to all that have replied.  My gut tells me to let Wolfie do what he 
wants.  That's the way it has always been with him and I don't think he'd have 
it any other way to be honest.  I guess I just needed reassurance that I wasn't 
being an irresponsible mom.  Thanks for all the support!  

Amy

 From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 5:23 PM
 Amy, I've had several FelV cats with
 back leg problems, and 
 they seem to know when it's time to stop climbing stairs
 or
 trying to jump up on things.  I'd let him do what he
 thinks
 he is up to doing. To restrict him would stress him, and 
 this is always bad for FelV cats.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs

2010-07-23 Thread Amy
Laurie

I remember you mentioning Coco having this and did add it to my list of 
possible causes.  Was the problem able to be resolved?




  

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Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness- Revolution used? and update

2010-06-30 Thread Amy
No idea why he has hind leg weakness.  I'll researched all the causes and none 
seem to apply other than the leukemia.  He has had routine blood work every 6 
months of his life and we have monitored him very closely as we do all our 
positive cats.  No major problems other than some weight loss and IBD over the 
past couple years.

I don't think I've ever taken one of my positive cats to the vet that some 
level hasn't been off.  Historically when I've drawn more blood or done further 
testing, it always ends up being nothing.  I spend lots of money and put the 
cats through lots of testing and then 6 months later, the value is normal 
again.  I've just grown to step back and not flip out every time I see a low or 
high value for that reason.  I have to say I still feel sick every time I see 
the HCT drop in one of them though.  So that's my hesitation with taking 3 ml 
of blood from a non-regenerative anemic cat.  He just had a full CBC/Chem which 
is not a small amount of blood and I'm afraid to draw so much blood again when 
I think his time with me is limited to begin with.  

The only thing I can come up with as a cause of the hind leg weakness is long 
term steroid use.  I read that it's more common with injectable steroids so not 
sure if it even applies to pred.  He's been on pred for almost a year.  
However, I have no doubt that it is the one thing that has kept him alive.  
Neither me or the specialist I'm seeing are even considering taking him off 
that as I have no doubt he will crash.  We tried weaning him off it a year ago 
after treating him for hemobart and he started going downhill quickly.  That 
said, his bone marrow is shot.  He's been non-regenerative for over a year and 
making red blood cells from his spleen or elsewhere.  We knew he couldn't do 
this forever so I'm not shocked at where we are, just sad.  Since he's been 
anemic for a year and holding steady, I guess the weakness could be a result of 
the anemia as well.  Yet he doesn't seem weak otherwise really.  He sleeps a 
lot and yes it's obvious he doesn't keep
 up with the other cats but not so weak that it takes too much energy to walk 
in my opinion. 

His liver and kidney values are all normal. Appetite is normal.  No signs of 
lymphoma after 2 ultrasounds, probably has IBD and is on EVO which seems to 
have helped keep that in check.  His calcium is just over normal - 11.6 with 
normal being 8.2-11.5.  I looked at blood work from all my other cats and they 
all run towards the high end, 10 or higher.  So I'm weighing the risk worth the 
benefit of drawing another 3 ml of blood to see if he's really got a high 
calcium vs just waiting it out and if he's around in a month or so, rechecking 
it then.  Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome.

Thank you everyone for all the suggestions.  My gut tells me that he is close 
to the point of losing his battle with this disease.  I always try to keep hope 
and remain optimistic but watching one cat after another be taken down by this 
disease, it's hard to keep the faith sometimes.  Fingers crossed, Wolfie will 
pull through this and defy the odds as he has until now.  

Amy  

 Why does he have hind leg weakness.  This can
 sometimes be a vascular issue
 (basically a blood clot in one of the large vessels) or
 felv involving the
 central nervous system, or an autoimmune process,
 etc.  Are his kidneys okay
 (tested for with BUN and Creat.) and liver (AST, ALT,
 albumin, Bilirubin)
 and bone marrow (anemic? high or low WBC, presence of
 lymphoma?).  Is his
 appetitie okay?  These things would influence my
 personal decision of
 proceeding or not.  It seems likely that the elevated
 Calcium is secondary
 to some other process, if that process cannot be treated, I
 would probably
 not proceed with trying to find out why the calcium is
 elevated and simply
 provide IV fluids and a change of diet to keep him
 comfortable while he is
 here.  If the underlying problem can be treated, I
 would treat that first
 and change diet and possibly give IV fluids, then watch the
 calcium and see
 if it drops.
 
 This is a tough decision at times.  Iwish you the best
 of luck and may God
 bless.
 
 Jenny
 
 On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  I have not used Revolution on Wolfie.
 
  Wolfie is still acting himself, is eating fine but he
 is definitely getting
  weaker in the back legs.  It's really hard to see
 because I don't think
  things are going to get better.  He has food and
 litter on the main floor
  but is still choosing to do stairs (making me a
 nervous wreck).  He's
  starting to have a tough time with the kitchen floor
 (linoleum) so I'm
  putting carpets down to help.  Wish I could do
 something more for him but I
  always feel that way when my leuk positives start
 going downhill.  I hate
  this disease.
 
  Looking for opinions here.  Wolfie's calcium was
 11.6 when the blood work
  was done.  Normal is 8.2-11.5.  The vet at
 Cornell wants me

Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness

2010-06-30 Thread Amy
Sharyl,

Wolfie's phos was 2.8 (3-6.6).

Amy

 Amy, based on what you have written I
 wouldn't worry about the high Ca right now.  What was
 his phos level?  There is an issue when both Ca and
 Phos are high but again that wouldn't affect his hind
 legs.  It could be the anemia.    
 
 In the end we do what we can with the resources we
 have.  He's lucky to have you loving him.
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Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness

2010-06-30 Thread Amy
Sharyl,

Are you saying that phos level would cause a problem?  Neither of my vets 
seemed concerned with that level as it was just a tad below normal.

Amy

--- On Wed, 6/30/10, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 11:19 PM
 Amy, that sure would cause a
 problem.  Hope he is feeling better
 Sharyl
 
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  From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 10:30 PM
  Sharyl,
  
  Wolfie's phos was 2.8 (3-6.6).
  
  Amy
  
   Amy, based on what you have written I
   wouldn't worry about the high Ca right now. 
 What
  was
   his phos level?  There is an issue when both Ca
 and
   Phos are high but again that wouldn't affect his
 hind
   legs.  It could be the anemia.    
   
   In the end we do what we can with the resources
 we
   have.  He's lucky to have you loving him.
   Sharyl
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness- Revolution used? and update

2010-06-27 Thread Amy
I have not used Revolution on Wolfie.  

Wolfie is still acting himself, is eating fine but he is definitely getting 
weaker in the back legs.  It's really hard to see because I don't think things 
are going to get better.  He has food and litter on the main floor but is still 
choosing to do stairs (making me a nervous wreck).  He's starting to have a 
tough time with the kitchen floor (linoleum) so I'm putting carpets down to 
help.  Wish I could do something more for him but I always feel that way when 
my leuk positives start going downhill.  I hate this disease.  

Looking for opinions here.  Wolfie's calcium was 11.6 when the blood work was 
done.  Normal is 8.2-11.5.  The vet at Cornell wants me to draw another sample 
to check his active or ionized calcium to see if his Calcium is actually high.  
Would you put your cat through this if your gut is that he doesn't have long?  
I asked what we would do if it's high.  She said we'd look at all causes and 
rule them out and if none of those applied, we'd alter his diet to try bringing 
it down.  He's anemic and having trouble with his legs.  Would you pursue 
something like this or let him be in peace?

Amy

--- On Sun, 6/27/10, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:

 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness- Revolution used?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Cc: 'Carmen Conklin' cwshel...@wildblue.net
 Date: Sunday, June 27, 2010, 2:06 PM
  
 
 From: Carmen Conklin [mailto:cwshel...@wildblue.net]
 
 Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:57 PM
 To: Laurieskatz
 Subject: felvgroup
 
  
 
 Hi, I can't seem to be able to email into the felv group
 today-could you ask
 them a question regarding the Re: weakness in hind legs
 thing??
 
 I want to know if they had used Revolution on any of the
 cats that had that
 weakness in hind legs problem... Thanks, Carmen
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs

2010-06-25 Thread Amy
They did check it and it was fine.

--- On Thu, 6/24/10, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 11:05 PM
 Amy did they check Wolfie's potassium
 level?  Low K can cause back leg weakness.  
 Sharyl
 
 --- On Thu, 6/24/10, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 10:22 PM
  Just wondering what sort of
  experience people have had with leuk positive cats
 getting
  weak in the back legs.  My cat, Wolfie, is 8 and has
  been positive since we rescued him 6 years ago. 
 He's
  been pretty healthy other than the last year or so. 
  Last September he was diagnosed with non-regenerative
 anemia
  but has been fairly stable since then.  I recently
 took
  him to the vet as I noticed he was getting weak in his
 hind
  legs, walking differently and avoiding putting weight
 on
  them for long periods of time.  His HCT is down, WBC
  and RBC are a bit lower than usual.  Chemistry looks
  ok.  
  
  I've had 9 cats die from this disease and only ever
 saw one
  with leg issues.  She woke up one morning and had
 lost
  all use of her back legs, no warning.  This is
  different from that situation and just wondering what
 could
  be going on.  We did an ultrasound today.  No sign
  of lymphoma or anything pressing on the spine.  No
 real
  loss of muscle mass on physical exam.  We are
 putting
  him on doxy/pred in case hemobart is causing the
  anemia.  The specialist at Cornell mentioned it
 could
  be something with the leukemia affecting the muscle
 or
  nerves directly but she couldn't find any literature
 on
  this.  I told her I'd post here and see if anybody
 has
  had a similar experience or has anything to add on
 what
  could be going on.
  
  Thanks
  Amy
  
  
        
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Re Weakness in hind legs

2010-06-25 Thread Amy
Hi Lorrie,

Thanks for the info.  That is kind of what I was thinking but didn't know 
anybody that's been through it.  Wolfie has probably been weak in the legs for 
about 2 weeks.  I know it's always different with every cat but any sort of 
time frame as to how quickly they completely lost the back end - days, weeks, 
months?  He still acts like he feels fine.  He eats, goes up and down the 
stairs, etc.  I've had way too much experience with this disease, though, so 
it's hard to stay optimistic knowing what he's up against.  

As far as the lesions or tumors on the spine go, is that what you or the vet 
thought was going on or have you actually seen them in x-rays or ultrasounds?  
I was sure that's what we were going to find but they checked his spine pretty 
thoroughly and saw nothing.  He his on pred, though, and I know that can mask a 
lot of stuff.

Amy  

--- On Fri, 6/25/10, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:

 From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Re Weakness in hind legs
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 3:38 PM
 Amy, I've had several cats die from
 this. First they get weak
 in their legs then they can't stand up at all and they
 soon
 lose bowel and bladder control.  It seems to be fairly
 common
 with FelV cats.  Lesions or tumors on the spine I
 believe.  
 
 Wolfie has been very fortunate to go 6 years with no
 problems,
 and since his ultra sound was okay perhaps he will not get
 any
 worse.
  
 Lorrie
 
 On 06-24, Amy wrote:
 
  Just wondering what sort of experience people have had
 with leuk
  positive cats getting weak in the back legs.  My
 cat, Wolfie, is 8
  and has been positive since we rescued him 6 years
 ago.  He's been
  pretty healthy other than the last year or so. 
 Last September he
  was diagnosed with non-regenerative anemia but has
 been fairly
  stable since then.  I recently took him to the
 vet as I noticed he
  was getting weak in his hind legs, walking differently
 and avoiding
  putting weight on them for long periods of time. 
 His HCT is down,
  WBC and RBC are a bit lower than usual. 
 Chemistry looks ok.
  
  I've had 9 cats die from this disease and only ever
 saw one with
  leg issues.  She woke up one morning and had lost
 all use of her
  back legs, no warning.  This is different from
 that situation and
  just wondering what could be going on.  We did an
 ultrasound today. 
  No sign of lymphoma or anything pressing on the
 spine.  No real
  loss of muscle mass on physical exam.  We are
 putting him on
  doxy/pred in case hemobart is causing the
 anemia.  The specialist
  at Cornell mentioned it could be something with the
 leukemia
  affecting the muscle or nerves directly but she
 couldn't find any
  literature on this.  I told her I'd post here and
 see if anybody
  has had a similar experience or has anything to add on
 what could
  be going on.
  
  Thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs

2010-06-25 Thread Amy
Heather,

Thanks.  I checked out the CRF list and it seems we have ruled out most of the 
things listed.  I initially thought a clot but they don't seem to suspect that. 
 My regular vet told me that typically comes on pretty suddenly as opposed to 
gradually.  The vet that did the ultrasound said there was very good blood flow 
going to the legs and it didn't look like anything was restricting or blocking 
flow.  Not sure if there's any other way to rule out a clot.

Amy

--- On Thu, 6/24/10, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 11:08 PM
 Hind leg weakness seems to come up
 somewhat frequently on the CRF group,
 this website has a great index of symptoms  treatments
 A-Z,
 http://www.felinecrf.org/symptoms_treatments_index.htm
 see W for weakness
 in back legs and several things are listed, though I think
 most are things
 that would have showed in the
 chemistry.   We had a feral kitty who was
 paralyzed in her rear legs due to a lesion on her spine,
 but sounds like
 you've covered that with the ultrasound (as much as it can
 be covered
 anyway).   Do they think throwing a clot is
 a possibility?
 
 I hope you can figure out the cause, others might have some
 good input.
 
 Love  good thoughts to Wolfie!
 
 Heather
 
 On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  Just wondering what sort of experience people have had
 with leuk positive
  cats getting weak in the back legs.  My cat,
 Wolfie, is 8 and has been
  positive since we rescued him 6 years ago.  He's
 been pretty healthy other
  than the last year or so.  Last September he was
 diagnosed with
  non-regenerative anemia but has been fairly stable
 since then.  I recently
  took him to the vet as I noticed he was getting weak
 in his hind legs,
  walking differently and avoiding putting weight on
 them for long periods of
  time.  His HCT is down, WBC and RBC are a bit
 lower than usual.  Chemistry
  looks ok.
 
  I've had 9 cats die from this disease and only ever
 saw one with leg
  issues.  She woke up one morning and had lost all
 use of her back legs, no
  warning.  This is different from that situation
 and just wondering what
  could be going on.  We did an ultrasound
 today.  No sign of lymphoma or
  anything pressing on the spine.  No real loss of
 muscle mass on physical
  exam.  We are putting him on doxy/pred in case
 hemobart is causing the
  anemia.  The specialist at Cornell mentioned it
 could be something with the
  leukemia affecting the muscle or nerves directly but
 she couldn't find any
  literature on this.  I told her I'd post here and
 see if anybody has had a
  similar experience or has anything to add on what
 could be going on.
 
  Thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs

2010-06-25 Thread Amy
Hi Laurie,

I tried reading up on this but couldn't find much info.  Please let me know if 
you have a website you could suggest.

Thanks
Amy

--- On Thu, 6/24/10, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:

 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 11:19 PM
 Check out myonecrosis. Coco (FeLV-)
 had this. Her back legs were weak and
 she was having trouble eating (tongue issues). There are
 several causes -
 one was toxoplasmosis, one was that she had gotten into
 some toxins and the
 third was nutritional. They attributed hers to a lack of
 Vitamin D,
 Selenium. I was pouring her dry Wellness food into
 Tupperware containers. I
 was told that allows too much oxygen to get to the food and
 it depletes the
 food of those nutrients. We switched to canned and she
 survived. Another cat
 taken to the ER that same day with her same symptoms, but
 more advanced, was
 not so lucky.
 Laurie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Sharyl
 Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:06 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs
 
 Amy did they check Wolfie's potassium level?  Low K
 can cause back leg
 weakness.  
 Sharyl
 
 --- On Thu, 6/24/10, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 10:22 PM
  Just wondering what sort of
  experience people have had with leuk positive cats
 getting
  weak in the back legs.  My cat, Wolfie, is 8 and has
  been positive since we rescued him 6 years ago. 
 He's
  been pretty healthy other than the last year or so. 
  Last September he was diagnosed with non-regenerative
 anemia
  but has been fairly stable since then.  I recently
 took
  him to the vet as I noticed he was getting weak in his
 hind
  legs, walking differently and avoiding putting weight
 on
  them for long periods of time.  His HCT is down, WBC
  and RBC are a bit lower than usual.  Chemistry looks
  ok.  
  
  I've had 9 cats die from this disease and only ever
 saw one
  with leg issues.  She woke up one morning and had
 lost
  all use of her back legs, no warning.  This is
  different from that situation and just wondering what
 could
  be going on.  We did an ultrasound today.  No sign
  of lymphoma or anything pressing on the spine.  No
 real
  loss of muscle mass on physical exam.  We are
 putting
  him on doxy/pred in case hemobart is causing the
  anemia.  The specialist at Cornell mentioned it
 could
  be something with the leukemia affecting the muscle
 or
  nerves directly but she couldn't find any literature
 on
  this.  I told her I'd post here and see if anybody
 has
  had a similar experience or has anything to add on
 what
  could be going on.
  
  Thanks
  Amy
  
  
        
  
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[Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs

2010-06-24 Thread Amy
Just wondering what sort of experience people have had with leuk positive cats 
getting weak in the back legs.  My cat, Wolfie, is 8 and has been positive 
since we rescued him 6 years ago.  He's been pretty healthy other than the last 
year or so.  Last September he was diagnosed with non-regenerative anemia but 
has been fairly stable since then.  I recently took him to the vet as I noticed 
he was getting weak in his hind legs, walking differently and avoiding putting 
weight on them for long periods of time.  His HCT is down, WBC and RBC are a 
bit lower than usual.  Chemistry looks ok.  

I've had 9 cats die from this disease and only ever saw one with leg issues.  
She woke up one morning and had lost all use of her back legs, no warning.  
This is different from that situation and just wondering what could be going 
on.  We did an ultrasound today.  No sign of lymphoma or anything pressing on 
the spine.  No real loss of muscle mass on physical exam.  We are putting him 
on doxy/pred in case hemobart is causing the anemia.  The specialist at Cornell 
mentioned it could be something with the leukemia affecting the muscle or 
nerves directly but she couldn't find any literature on this.  I told her I'd 
post here and see if anybody has had a similar experience or has anything to 
add on what could be going on.

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Re: [Felvtalk] RIP Brillo and Desmond

2010-03-24 Thread Amy
I'm so sorry.  Thank you for opening your heart and home to them.  They were 
lucky to have you.

Amy

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 Subject: [Felvtalk] RIP Brillo and Desmond
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 4:01 PM
 Both of my beautiful baby boys,
 Brillo and Desmond joined their brother Nibbler in heaven
 today.
 My heart is broken.  They will be missed more then words
 can describe.
 
 
       
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic

2010-03-22 Thread Amy
I would consider trying pred and doxy too.  My cat is nonregenerative (has been 
since at least Sept).  His HCT isn't that low but while trying to find out why 
he was anemic, he did test positive for hemobart.  I had lost a cat to anemia a 
few months before.  He was completely fine and then crashed suddenly (started 
eating litter).  I tried to save him but he went so quickly.  At that time, I 
didn't know to start pred and doxy.  We had done bloodwork every 6 months 
routinely and it never showed on a smear.  My vet thought that was extremely 
unlikely.  I will always wonder if I could have saved Maverick if I had given 
him a transfusion along with pred and doxy but I just didn't know what I know 
now.  I still feel that all happened to teach me something.  I tested every cat 
in the house and all my positives except one tested positive, were treated, 
retested and are all negative now.  They also had routine bloodwork every since 
months and not one had ever
 shown hemobart on a smear.

I know my experience with anemia in kittens born with leukemia hasn't been very 
good but I had kittens early on and didn't know what I know now.  I also always 
wonder if I could have saved any of them if I'd treated for hemobart.

My understanding is that the type of hemobart my cats had is closely linked to 
the progession of leukemia.  I honestly think if we hadn't treated my cats 
hemobart, I would have lost him like every other cat I lost to anemia.  I will 
probably put every positive that ever becomes anemic on both meds now while 
trying to rule out other causes.

Sending positive thoughts for Brillo and Desmond.

Amy

--- On Mon, 3/22/10, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 12:27 AM
 She originally had Brillo on it for
 the first day 3 weeks ago.  She had him stop because he
 threw it up.  She also told me since it turned out to be
 non reg it wouldn't make a difference...I will call tomorrow
 and double check.  She didn't mention trying it for
 Desmond...I will ask about him tomorrow when I call
 tomorrow.  Thank you.
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 12:12:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic
 
 Has both of them been put on prenisolone and doxocycline? 
 When my Bailey was anemic he was put on epogen and his
 anemia resolved, his bone marrow aspirate showed the virus
 in his bone marrow but the epogen brought his HCT from a low
 of 15% to 40% in about 6 weeks.  Most vets are scared to
 death to use it so don't be surprised if you get resistance
 ... I am almost afraid and tired of repeating my success
 with it because so many vets seem terrified of the idea of
 using it and I see cat after cat die because of it.  But I
 promised Bailey I would, and in his honor I will continue to
 try to save every furkid I can with his story so I plug on
  if it doesn't work the results are the same, your
 furkid will die, if it does work ...
 
 -- 
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 happiness is being owned by cats ...
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron?

2010-03-18 Thread Amy
Hi Belinda,

    I'll give her the
 benefit of the doubt, but what exactly is she basing her
 information that FeLV+'s have such a bad experience with
 using epogen, because I have not heard of any studies that
 have been done on this to bear that out and if there is one
 I would like the reference so I can look into it and give it
 to my vet.

I think she was basing it on her experience using Epogen to treat cats with 
leukemia.  I could be wrong on that.  She talked about how she has seen a case 
or two where it helped despite there being no reason it should but she saw far 
more cases where irreversible damage was done and the cat was actually worse 
off than before the Epogen.  She is fine with me trying LTCI or some of the 
stuff that she agrees doesn't pose a risk but she definitely feels that Epogen 
can do harm.  I don't know what I think yet, just relaying her thoughts.  The 
one thing she said that I can't stop thinking about is that these cats are 
immune compromised and a lot of these treatments are introducing foreign 
substances into their body which can alter an already very delicate balance.  
So much to think about...
 
 Amy never be afraid to say anything on this list, all I am
 saying is that in my experience your vets information is
 incorrect about the use of epogen.   Both
 from other people experiences that I know of that have
 FeLV+'s and from my vets experiences.

Definitely worth knowing!  The more info I have the better.  I just feel like 
sometimes this list is pretty hard on vets.  I genuinely feel this one is 
treating my cat like she would treat her own.  She's not my vet so I have no 
reason to try to defend her.  I went to Cornell for a 2nd opinion to see if 
there is anything else I could possibly try to save Wolfie.  If anything I 
would think they would be telling me to try one thing after another because 
they would be making a whole lot more money off me than they are now.  I really 
think this vet is trying to help me give Wolfie the best quality of life for 
the longest time possible.

 And there isn't a lot of information out there because most
 vets won't even try it and I am not lying when I say most
 vets are terrified of epogen in general and have no idea how
 to use it because in vet school they are taught that 30% or
 better of cats using it will have an adverse reaction to
 it.  That is old information and most vets who actually
 use it on a regular basis, mostly on CRF cats say that
 number is closer to 10% or less and only after 5 months or
 longer of use.

I'll have to inquire more about her experience using it and what she is basing 
her info on.
 
 And everyone here knows I have no love for Cornell, their
 information about FeLV had always been outdated and in my
 opinion inaccurate.  And years ago when most vets knew
 little to nothing about FeLV, their outdated information
 caused many positive, healthy cats their lives since they
 were then the only veterinary site with the most info out
 there about FeLV+, no matter it was inaccurate.

I wasn't aware of that.  They were very receptive to helping my cat and never 
once gave me the impression that he should be treated any different than any 
other cat with any other issue.  

  *Secondary viremia*, a later stage characterized by
 persistent infection of the bone marrow and other tissue. If
 FeLV infection progresses to this stage it has passed a
 point of no return: the overwhelming majority of cats with
 secondary viremia will be infected for the remainder of
 their lives.
 
 It says it is to the point of no return but *ONLY the
 majority of cats* will remain infected for the remainder of
 their lives, doesn't add up, if it is to the point of no
 return then *ALL of those cats* would be infected the
 remainder of their lives.  Guess they got to cover
 their butts in case a cat does fight off secondary
 viremia.  I have heard of one cat that did but have no
 proof so can't say it has or hasn't happened.

I see where that statement can be confusing.

 In my opinion because they won't spend the money to do
 those tests, but if you talk with many people using one or
 another of these treatments most are having good results, so
 since there isn't scientific evidence because no studies
 have been done, well I personally will go with people with
 positives that have experience using these types of
 treatments, but if you tell anyone at Cornell that, I'm
 pretty sure they will poo poo it and tell you it is a waste
 of your time and money.

Actually she was fine with me trying anything other than Epogen.   However she 
presented me several studies on interferon and several other options that 
showed no benefit in the treated group.  We discussed Wolfie's  quality of life 
and decided that I can't mess with a good thing when there is not one study 
that shows these things help.  I posted to this group to see if anybody has 
been able to save a cat with nonregenerative anemia using any of the treatments 
ever

Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron?

2010-03-17 Thread Amy
Hi Belinda,

I do know Bailey's story well and honestly you are one of the only stories I've 
heard with positive results (not to say there aren't a lot more good ones out 
there, that's why I'm asking).  Your story keeps me wondering if I should try 
it despite the warnings.  I'm so glad you had these results with Epogen.  I 
actually had the vet research WHY it could possibly help a leuk positive cat 
because of your story.  I can't find one vet that can explain why it could 
possibly help since a leuk positive cat is normally making erythropoietin just 
fine on it's own.  That's not to say it has never helped.  She has heard of 
cases but said there is no biological/medical reason it should help .  Does 
anybody know how or why it might help a cat with nonregenerative anemia?

I just want to say that the vet that told me this is most likely not flat out 
lying.  She is a highly recommended internal med from Cornell University.  She 
has been absolutely wonderful and has researched everything I've asked her 
about extensively.  When I asked her about Epogen she didn't have to research 
it because she did have experience with it, with cats with CRF and cats 
without.  I did A LOT of searching of all the medical facilities within 
hundreds of miles to find a specialist that actually deals with leukemia and 
treats cats with it regularly.  Many vets in my area have never even seen a 
positive cat other than the ones they euthanize.  I've lost one cat after 
another to leukemia and despite trying one thing after another, have never been 
able to bring one back from nonregenerative anemia.  My cat that is currently 
being treated by Cornell is stable and holding his own 6 months after being 
diagnosed.  I don't believe that would be the case
 without her help.  I totally understand people on here feeling that most vets 
know nothing about leukemia but I just wanted to say that I spent A LOT of time 
and effort trying to locate a vet that would do the best possible job for this 
cat and it stings a bit to hear somebody say she is flat out lying to me or 
doesn't know how to use Epogen.  Anyways, I don't post on here a lot and was 
nervous about saying anything about my fears of Epogen because I thought it 
might ruffle some feathers.  I just couldn't at least throw it out there 
because I personally would feel awful if I did something to speed up how 
quickly this disease can take down a positive cat.  I really think each person 
needs to do what they are comfortable with and I just wanted to throw out what 
I heard on the off chance it is accurate.

I'd love to hear from others that have tried Epogen too.

Amy

--- On Wed, 3/17/10, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote:

 From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 12:58 AM
    Amy,
   This vet is either flat out lying or isn't using it
 correctly.
 
 It is very rare but a cat can have a reaction and that
 reaction is that it wouldn't help and the HCT would continue
 to go down, in some cases this is because the dose isn't
 high enough, a few kitties need higher than the standard
 dose.  But of course the vets freak out and assume the
 cat is having a reaction.  So many vets are terrified
 of this drug and it doesn't make sense, basically if it
 isn't working you would be right back where you started. 
 It is documented that about 10% to 30% of cats would fall
 into this category and of those it takes 5 months or longer
 of use for this to happen.
 
 I know many, many people who have used it and only know of
 one cat that is was suspected had this happen and I honestly
 don't think that was the problem, I think that cat wasn't
 getting a high enough dose.  Most of these cats are CRF
 but a few aren't and were anemic because of cancer or
 something else.
 
 I've told Bailey's story more than once, he was positive,
 he became anemic and once his HCT got to 20%, I decided to
 try epogen, I think he was barely regenerative but honestly
 it has been so long I can't remember.  He did not have
 kidney disease.
 
 By the time we got the epogen in it took a few days, he had
 gone to 18% and once we started it went down to 15%, it took
 about 6 weeks to get his HCT to 40% which is a little
 quicker than you would like but he was fine and his HCT was
 still normal at 33%, 34% 5 months later when he died of
 pancreatic cancer.
 
 You do have to monitor the blood pressure because it can go
 high, Bailey's did the opposite and got low but we had no
 problems with the epogen.
 
 My vet has used it several times with FeLV+ cats and had
 luck with it.
 
 -- 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron?

2010-03-17 Thread Amy
 Amy, I have not used epogen for a CRF
 or FeLV kitty though I have had both with anemia.  
 
 There is a Yahoo Anemia group that may be able to answer
 some of your questions about the risks of using epogen or
 Darbepoetin.
 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline_Anemia/

I was part of this group for quite some time but couldn't find anybody using 
Epogen, with success, for a leuk positive kitty.  
   
 I used vitamins and supplements (B12, Super B Complex and
 Folic Acid) to manage chronic anemia. 

Did you do any tests to see if the cat was low in B12 or did you just use the 
vitamins and supplements?  I have had Wolfie tested and everything is fine but 
my vet wants to check it once more (it's been a few months) at his next routine 
blood draw.  We discussed B12 injections and have discussed 
vitamins/supplements.  We are going to address this again after seeing his 
bloodwork.  

 I do agree that if the kidneys are producing erythropoietin
 but the bone marrow is not responding then giving epogen
 shots would not be beneficial.  I have not heard it
 called nonregenative anemia when the kidneys are producing
 erythropoietin.  
 Sharyl

My understanding is that erythropoietin is made and released by the kidneys.  
In a cat with damaged kidneys, sufficient erythropoietin can't be produced.  In 
a leuk positive cat with healthy kidneys, erythropoietin is still being 
produced but the bone marrow is unable to respond.  I think it's still 
nonregenerative if new red blood cells aren't being made.  Does anybody know if 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Casper Epogen shot

2010-03-17 Thread Amy
Sue,

Will you please keep me posted on Casper's progress?  I'd love to hear how the 
Epogen/LTCI work for you.  Good luck.

Amy

--- On Wed, 3/17/10, Frank  Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote:

 From: Frank  Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Casper Epogen shot
 To: FeLV talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 7:46 PM
 I just gave Casper his first Epogen
 shot.  He is supposed to get .15 ml daily to
 start.  Hopefully things will get better for him. 
 Tomorrow I am supposed to pick up the Imulan and give him
 that shot. 
  I am shocked at how expensive all this stuff is.  The
 one vial of Epogen was about  $75.00 at Walgreens and
 it only has enough for three shots! the Imulan is going to
 be even more. Does anyone know of a kitty drug discount
 store?
 Sue
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Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron?

2010-03-17 Thread Amy
Not sure if this is for me or not but Wolfie has been tested and was fine.  I 
had him on an iron supplement for several months anyways just in case it might 
help.

Amy
--- On Wed, 3/17/10, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote:

 From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 11:55 AM
 PS.  Has she tested his iron to
 see if that is low, many anemic acts are low in iron?
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron?

2010-03-16 Thread Amy
Hi Sue,

Just wanted to ask what Casper's HCT is right now?  Does he have CRF?  I have 
looked into Epogen as well and know some people swear by it.  I don't want to 
contradict anything you've heard but just wanted to offer up another thing to 
consider.  The specialist I talked to said all of the treatments mentioned on 
this list, that is the only one she would never use.  She said that while a 
positive may respond well to it, the chance of doing irreversible harm is high. 
 I know that is controversial but she said she has seen one cat after another 
react to it.  She said that is is really tough to reverse the damage if the cat 
does react and not a risk she would ever take.  I don't know where I stand on 
Epogen because I have heard such completely opposing views on it.  I don't 
judge those that use it nor do I judge those who won't go near it.  Just wanted 
to present what I was told in case it could help in any way.  I hope whatever 
you try works wonders for
 Casper!

What have other people heard/experienced with Epogen?  I know that if a cat has 
nonregenerative anemia, has a HCT below 20, etc. the idea is sometimes that the 
cat is going to die anyways so what's the harm in trying something that could 
cause a reaction or might not.  What I don't get is the reason behind using 
Epogen for a cat that is not in renal failure.  If the cat is producing 
erythropoietin fine, what could the Epogen do to help?  I'd love to hear more 
about this.

Amy

--- On Tue, 3/16/10, Frank  Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote:

 From: Frank  Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 8:59 PM
 I can't remember now what the time
 frame was. He was tested at his first vet visit after I
 adopted him but I don't remember how long that was after I
 brought him home.  Normally I take a newly adopted cat
 right in to be checked but it has been about four years...
 Today I called my vet back and told him I wanted the Epogen
 because I wasn't going to just sit back and watch him
 die.  He called a prescription in to Walgreens and they
 had to order it.  I will pick it up after work tomorrow
 along with the syringes and give him his first injection
 tomorrow evening. My vet also contacted another vet he knows
 who had Imulan in stock and I am going to pick that up
 Thursday after work.  I didn't realise that Epogen and
 Imulan could be given concurrently.  Who knows, maybe
 there is some hope for my beautiful white fluffy boy after
 all.
 Sue
 - Original Message - From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron?
 
 
  sue, was casper ever double tested to make sure he was
 actually negative? a
  single negative test means no more than a single
 positive test does: unless
  we know for sure when the last possible date of
 exposure was, and do a final
  test 90-120 days after that, we cannot know that any
 cat is truly negative.
  this is how my cats all become exposed back in
 2000--my housemate, the
  shelter director, brought in a beautiful little girl
 who'd tested negative.
  we didn't know to retest back then, and didn't. she
 became symptomatic less
  than a year later.
  
  as far as i know, there are no cases of an actually
 negative cat (tested
  twice) who has been vaccinated ever becoming positive
 from living with
  positives. don't blame yourself for something that you
 probably DIDN'T do.
  
  MC
  
  -- Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
  Maybe That'll Make The Difference
  
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 (www.purebredcats.org)
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Re: [Felvtalk] MeMe 2006-3-32010

2010-03-05 Thread Amy
Jane,

It sounds like MeMe had a wonderful 3 years with you.  She was so lucky to be 
loved and cared for by you through this horrible disease and it sounds like you 
were just as lucky to have her.  I'm sorry to hear of her passing and hope 
those precious memories of her bring you some comfort.

Amy

--- On Fri, 3/5/10, Jane Lyons j.ly...@mindspring.com wrote:

 From: Jane Lyons j.ly...@mindspring.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] MeMe 2006-3-32010
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 10:11 AM
 I sent this message yesterday with a
 photo of MeMe but it did not go through the list.
 There are two photos of her on my photo webpage. The one on
 the bottom right is the best of the two (if anyone wants to
 see her face)
 Say two of the grieving process is not any better.
 Jane
 
 photos
 http://digitalimagecafe.com/member_profile.asp?member=memex2
 
 
 
 
 Last night the vet came at 10:00 to put MeMe to sleep. I
 had her for three years and two
 days and I am grateful for each and everyone of those days.
 She was an extraordinary cat.
 
 She was highly symptomatic with Felv  when we adopted
 her but we managed to
 get her to a place of almost normalcy for almost three
 years and up until the last few months
 she lived a full and happy life.
 
 She had been in steady decline since mid December and the
 quality of her life had diminished
 drastically. She stopped eating three days ago and
 yesterday morning she could not jump
 down from the kitchen countertop. It was at that moment
 that I knew I had to make the call.
 
 Four weeks ago she had a complete blood work up which
 turned out to be completely normal.
 The vet was astonished when he called me with her report.
 He said he had been afraid to read it
 because he didn't want to call me with , what he was sure,
 would be a bad report. I knew, despite
 the numbers that she was not well. We had given her a round
 of Clavamox to help her stomatitis
 and she developed diarrhea that I could not get rid of
 despite homeopathy and Forti-Flora that
 had worked before.
 We did an ultra sound of her digestive tract which proved
 to be inconclusive'' and yet she continued
 to get sicker. Yesterday my husband found a mass behind her
 right ear that was enormous. It had not
 been there a few weeks ago but I suspect her lymphatic
 system has been under assault since mid December
 when I began to see changes in her coat and her energy and
 then her behavior. Through it all, she continued
 to seek us out to sit in our laps and to sleep in our bed.
 She never hid or indicated that she wanted to be alone.
 
 This weekend I walked into the front hall to find her lying
 between our two Scotties in a pool of sunlight.
 As sick and as vulnerable as she was, she trusted them and
 us. She was a strong and trusting and courageous
 animal who could scale 40' trees with more agility than a
 squirrel. She was fearless and when we discovered that
 she was positive and could not go out she adapted to her
 cat jacket and spent all her days outside or going for
 walks with the dogs. She led the pack with her tail
 straight up and an occasional detour to climb a tree (with
 her
 20' retractable leash).
 
 I could go on forever. She was just too wonderful.
 
 I have one positive thing to report. She had stomatitis
 (inflamed and sore gums) which we treated with antibiotics
 and homeopathy and a topical spray. Nothing worked for
 long. I discovered over this past month that the pro-biotic
 I was using for her diarrhea helped her mouth enormously. I
 was mixing Forti-Flora in her food twice a day for weeks
 and last week I noticed that her mouth was almost normal.
 For anyone dealing with stomatitis you might try a
 probiotic.
 
 So dear friends I think that all of us who are loving these
 endearing, loving creatures can learn a lot from their
 nobility and grace.
 MeMe was a gift and a life lesson to me. She has taught me
 so much and while she is not sitting in my lap as I type
 (and cry) she is deeply imbedded in
 my heart and will always be.
 
 Bless all of you who are living and learning from these
 very special beings
 
 love
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Re: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive

2010-03-04 Thread Amy
So sorry to hear about Casper.  I have one cat with leukemia that became anemic 
in September of last year.  He is still holding his own.  He does have 
non-regenerative anemia so I asked how it is that his HCT isn't dropping if 
he's not making more red blood cells.  I guess the spleen and another organ can 
make some red blood cells too.  Do you know if Casper has regenerative or 
non-regenerative anemia?  Either way I hope you have lots of time left.  I 
think it totally depends on what's causing the anemia to begin with.  I asked 
the internist if non-regenerative anemia is a definite death sentence.  She 
said there is no way to tell how long Wolfie will continue to hold his own but 
she hopes he lives until he's 20.  I know that's not going to happen but it 
never hurts to hope.  We know his odds aren't good now that the leukemia is in 
his bone marrow but his odds of living this long weren't good either and he 
did.  Hoping for the best for Casper.

Amy  

 My poor sweet Casper is FeLV+. 
 So by making the decision to mix I have condemned him. 
 He is anemic and he is going on Doxycyclne and
 Prednosolone.  Has anyone ever heard of a cat that has
 anemia living longer then a few months?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bernie Update

2010-02-22 Thread Amy
Maria,

I'm sorry to hear about Bernie.  I lost my first leuk positive to intestinal 
lymphoma.  It's so hard to get a diagnosis like that for such a young cat but I 
hope you find some peace in knowing how special you've made these months for 
him.  Enjoy whatever time you have left with him.  He's very lucky to have you.

Amy

--- On Mon, 2/22/10, Maria mian...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Maria mian...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Bernie Update
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 12:53 PM
 I took Bernie to the vet this morning
 and did an x-ray.  He has a large mass
 near his stomach/intestine.  We have decided not to do
 chemo and have put
 him on some steroids and pain medication.  He is still
 eating and purring
 which is good, but it will only get worse.
 
 We will probably put him to sleep Friday or Saturday. 
 Sooner if it gets
 worse, but I want everyone to be able to be there if they
 can.
 
 For the record:
 Bernie - Diagnosed FelV+ at 7 months, diagnosed with
 uveitis at 1 year 7
 months, diagnosed with lymphoma about 1 year 8 months.
 
 He is the most amazing cat I have ever had.  The best
 personality and made
 me smile every day.  I don't regret one vet bill or
 day I had with him.
  I want to thank everyone on this list for their support
 and knowledge.  I
 really appreciate it and I think all of you are amazing. I
 will keep you and
 all your babies in my prayers.
 
 
 Thank you again,
 
 Maria
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bernie - Uveitis

2010-02-18 Thread Amy
Hi Maria,

I don't know if you saw my post the other day about my cat with the gold, 
coppery color ring around his eye (nobody responded but I think it went out to 
the list).  It's a little different situation but my cat's bloodwork is perfect 
as well.  He's going back next week to have his eye stained and then to start 
on steroids in case it's uveitis.  The specialist also mentioned lymphoma.  My 
cat doesn't show any sign of illness so I know it's different but just wanted 
to say I understand how tough it is to never have the answers.  My vet said 
this may be something my cat has had his whole life and we just never noticed 
or it may be the start of something.  

I have another cat that has been holding steady for several months after being 
treated at Cornell.  However, I know it's only a matter of time and I hate the 
helpless feeling of not knowing what is going on and what the best course of 
action is.  It's so tough with this disease because I don't like to disturb the 
balance in what appears to be a healthy cat but I don't want to miss something 
either.

Hoping you find some answers soon and that Bernie starts feeling better.

Amy  

--- On Thu, 2/18/10, Maria mian...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Maria mian...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bernie - Uveitis
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 12:37 PM
 I had a conversation with my primary
 vet this morning about Bernie and his
 Uveitis/possible lymphoma.  I'm not sure what to do.
 I'm frustrated, sad,
 angry and I feel like I'm running into walls
 everywhere.  It seems like
 there are never answers for these cats. It could be one
 thing, but that is a
 symptom of something else, we could do this test, but that
 might not tell us
 for sure what is wrong.  I keep going in circles and
 the bottom line still
 is my baby doesn't feel well, and I'm emotionally and
 financially spent. I
 want to do something to help him but I don't know what or
 what will work.
 
 His activity appears to be declining each day.  Still
 eating, but this
 morning he didn't eat his whole bowl of food.  To find
 out if it is
 lymphoma, we could do a biopsy on the eye, but its risky,
 and its a hard
 area to get a good sample.  We could go to an
 internist and have a scan done
 to see if there are any masses somewhere else in the
 body.  Even if there
 are, we would still have to do a biopsy to find out if it
 is lymphoma. His
 blood work 2 weeks ago was completely normal. I am
 continuing w/ steroid
 drops 3x a day.
 
 Apparently with Uveitis there isn't usually any pain
 associated with the
 eye... so she didn't recommend pain medication at this
 point.  I don't think
 he is in pain (cats can probably cover this up well
 though.), he doesn't
 wince or anything, but he is just not acting like himself.
 
 I guess we just take it day by day at this point but I feel
 helpless like
 I'm just letting him go.   Sorry for the
 rant, just needed to type to get my
 thoughts out.  Thanks.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bernie - Uveitis

2010-02-18 Thread Amy
Me too.  We are actually going to go back through all the pictures I've taken 
of him over the years and see if I can ever see the color around his eyes.  I 
haven't taken tons of close-ups though so it's a long shot.  I'm just not ready 
to go up against lymphoma again :(

Amy

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 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bernie - Uveitis
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 1:20 PM
 Amy
 
 I saw your post, but had no experience to suggest anything.
 I one had a
 doctor tell me she had never seen eyes like mine. Weird
 huh. Now there
 wasn't anything wrong it was just how my eyes were
 pigmented.
 
 Hoping this is normal for your cat.
 
 Sally
 
 Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bernie - Uveitis

2010-02-18 Thread Amy
Maria,

Nothing really funny looking about Luigi's eye.  It's almost kind of cool 
looking.  He just has a ring around about 1/2 of his eye.  It's down one side 
and down the other side and just looks like a coppery tone.  My vet didn't 
recall noticing it before and called a specialist just to see if she should 
refer me.  He started talking about how it could be all these horrible things 
and how we could remove the eye, etc.  This cat has been with me for several 
years with no illness or odd behavior of any type so I'm definitely not 
considering anything like that.  What if it's nothing?  He runs around like a 
wild man and is certainly not in any discomfort that I can see.  So anyway, I'm 
kind of worried, yet hopeful that it might be nothing.  You would never think 
anything was strange about his eye looking at him but we all just wonder why 
this color would appear out of nowhere.

I did get the toxo results back and they are negative.  I was also kind of 
hoping it would be positive but I guess anything these cats don't have is a 
plus.  

Please let me know how things go with Bernie and how you choose to proceed.  
I've lost several positives over the years and I think I might go back and look 
at the bloodwork for the couple I lost to lymphoma just to see if it was odd or 
normal.

Keep us posted!
Amy  

 Amy -
 
 Thanks for the kind words.  I re-read your post about
 your kitty and and the
 gold colored ring around his eye.  When you look at
 his eye in light, does
 it look funny like how animals eyes sometimes show up in
 pictures taken with
 a flash?  That's how we first noticed Bernie's eye
 issue.  He was looking at
 me and one eye was reflecting really funny while the other
 was not.  He
 doesn't have a gold colored ring... but there looks like
 there is a mass up
 in the corner of the eye.  The iris is swollen as
 well. His eye also had
 a cloudy film all over the eye, but the steroid eye drops
 cleared that up.
 
 We also tested Bernie for toxo.. it came back negative...
 and we ran a
 mycoplasma test as well.. also negative.  Did you get
 your kitty's toxo test
 back yet?  I was almost hoping it was toxo... there is
 at least an
 antibiotic for that.
 
 I learned this morning from the vet that cat's with
 lymphoma sometimes have
 normal blood work.  I never knew that. I assumed that
 the white blood cells
 would go up.  She said depending on the type of
 lymphoma, the white blood
 cells may drop, stay the same, or rise.
 
 Please keep me up to date on your kitty!  I hope he is
 ok and doing better
 soon.
 
 Maria
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[Felvtalk] Gold color around one eye

2010-02-12 Thread Amy
Hi all,

I have a question about one of my leuk positive cats.  I took him to the vet 
yesterday for his annual visit.  His bloodwork was all fine but the vet noticed 
a coppery/gold ring around the outside of his right eye.  She wanted to know if 
it's new or if it has always been there.  I looked at it but really don't think 
it's something I would have ever noticed.  Not sure if it's new or always been 
there.  

She talked to an eye expert who suggested testing for toxo (test is going out 
today).  If that is negative he suggests treating it as a chronic uveitis.  She 
mentioned that it could be a manifestation of lymphoma as well but my vet said 
it would have to be very early stages as she felt nothing during his exam and 
his bloodwork was great.  Just wondering if anybody has had a cat experience 
this.  His eye doesn't seem red or painful and he's never had any trauma since 
living with me which has been several years.  He's 7 and has been healthy the 
entire time I've had him.  Just wondering if this could be nothing or if it's 
something to really worry about.

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Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing

2009-11-26 Thread Amy
Hi Jenny,

Thanks for the advice.  I have certainly considered all my options and I know 
that this is not a good place for Wolfie to be at.  I've had so many positive 
cats and unfortunately I know how it usually ends.  This one has made it longer 
than any of my other ones and I would do anything to save him if I thought that 
something existed.  

Wolfie started pred after testing positive for hemobart.  I tried weaning him 
off the pred once the treatment was completed and he became very weak and 
lethargic after dropping to one pill a day.  The specialist at Cornell told me 
that the pred could definitely be helping if we are dealing with lymphoma or 
other issues and we all agreed that having Wolfie crash right now by taking him 
off the pred is probably not the way to go.  I know it's not going to reverse 
his non-regenerative anemia.  Is there anything that can do that?  Nothing I'm 
aware of does.  That's why I posted asking if anybody has seen a cat brought 
back by LTCI once non-regenerative anemia has been confirmed.  There are some 
definite pros and cons to using it.  Numerous vets have told me that it doesn't 
come without the stress of bloodwork, additional visits, monitoring, etc.  If I 
had evidence that this could reverse Wolfie's situation, I would seriously 
consider it.  Heck I'm
 considering it even knowing it probably won't.  I have nothing but Wolfie's 
best interest in mind.  I'm not sure monitoring and routinely drawing blood on 
a cat that is no longer making red blood cells is a wise decision when not one 
person out there has been able to say yes, this saved my cat from 
non-regenerative anemia.  

I hope that LTCI turns out to be a life-saver.  I really do.  I'm just afraid 
of all the hype because if just seems too good to be true.  I have to think 
about Wolfie and the fact that he is very opinionated.  He's not a cat that 
would want to sit at a vet getting drips or being hospitalized.  I'm all for 
doing everything I can to save him but I also have to respect the cat that he 
is and how I want his last months, weeks, days, whatever to be spent.  I'm 
trying to gather as much info as possible to make the best decision for him.  I 
hate this disease and I hate that I might not be able to do anything to save 
him :( 

Thanks again for all the suggestions.  I am definitely researching everything.  
I am very familiar with holistic approaches and by no means feel obligated to 
follow conventional medicine.  I just want to do what is best for Wolfie and 
I'm not sure any of us really know the answer to that when it comes to this 
disease.  

Amy  

--- On Thu, 11/26/09, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:

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 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 3:37 PM
 
  Amy,
 
 
 You have a cat in the stages that most of us dread. 
 You have a few options
 available to you.  You can follow conventional advice
 or you can take a
 chance.  From what I've seen conventional medicine
 does not help in this
 scenario.
 
 My first question is this; Why is he on prednisone? 
 The only possible
 reason I can see for this is hemobartonella.  If
 that's not present, I fail
 to see the value.  Prednisone seems to be the cure all
 in veterinary
 medicine and with few exceptions it simply relieves
 symptoms while your cat
 dies.
 
 I don't think you have much time to make a choice. 
 Unless there is a valid
 reason for using the prednisone, I would stop it (taper
 it)  I would be
 aggressive at this point.  I would get acemannan, LTCI
 and I would probably
 try the vitamin c drip (I have not used this yet, but Sally
 would certainly
 be willing to help you with it).  I would do it all
 together and right now.
 This is of course dependent on your financial situation - I
 understand the
 massive investment this could mean.  If, however, you
 simply treat symptoms
 and try transfusion, antibiotics, prednisone etc you are
 simply prolonging
 the inevitable and only by a small amount - this will also
 be exceptionally
 expensive.
 
 Here's the thing, you have not done a transfusion yet so
 you sort of have
 that as a back door immediate rescue if you need it. 
 The prednisone is not
 raising the Hct so why do you think it's helping?  You
 have a non
 regenerative anemia on your hands.  Unless you reverse
 that you're dead in
 the water - prednisone will not do this.
 
 You are facing a tough decision, I know, I understand and I
 am so sorry for
 that.  If you leave the beaten path of veterinary
 medicine you have to do
 the leg work and fight an uphill battle.  Medicine is
 not perfect and
 neither are people but I can honestly say that from what I
 have seem,
 conventional medicine has failed time and again in this
 situation.
 
 Good luck and God bless.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing

2009-11-25 Thread Amy
Belinda,

I hope Fred is feeling feeling better soon.  Please keep us posted.

Amy

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote:

 From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 10:48 PM
     Took Fred in today
 because he is getting weaker and weaker, his HCT is up to
 27.5, so still going up, I think he has a massive infection
 somewhere, he does have an ear infection and is on ear drops
 for that but I think he has a urinary tract infection
 too.  Will have the results tomorrow.



  

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Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing

2009-11-24 Thread Amy

Hi Gary,

Wolfie hasn't had any transfusions yet.  We've done ultrasounds, x-rays, lots 
of panels of testing, etc.  We have discussed transfusions with the internal 
med at Cornell but I won't put him through repeated ones just to buy him a 
little more time.  I totally understand why other people do it and I would do 
it in a crisis until we could try other stuff if needed.

Anyways, I did hear that I'd have to wean off the pred if trying LTCI and 
that's why I was asking if anybody has seen this stuff turn around a cat like 
this.  I've talked to numerous vets and they all agree they wouldn't risk 
taking a stable cat off the pred and having him crash just to try the LTCI.  
I'd feel awful if I made things worse.  I'm torn because I'm willing to do 
anything to help him but at $90 a dose, I'm trying to weigh the pros and cons.

Amy

 I have had a number of cats that were FeLV positive and had
 anemia.  I have
 tried Epogen and if it did anything at all, it wasn't
 noticeable.  It is too
 bad you live in such an expensive area, I'll bet those
 treatments Wolfie has
 had would be half that here in Arkansas.  You are
 fortunate that Wolfie does
 so well with transfusions, many times they don't last very
 long and don't
 raise the HCT all that much.  I also tried
 Immunoregulin on a couple.  It
 appeared there was a very short term improvement and then
 they went
 downhill.  That doesn't mean it wouldn't work for
 you.  I believe the
 protocol says if there isn't an improvement in a very short
 time after
 starting treatment, you know it isn't going to work.
 
 Now is definitely the time to try something while his HCT
 is still at a
 reasonable level.  I haven't tried the LTCI, mostly
 because I can't afford
 it.  I recently took in two kittens that tested
 positive for FeLV, both were
 thin and anemic.  I tried some Acemannan on them and
 they are both doing
 great now.  It is much less expensive than LTCI, but I
 could not guarantee
 it would help in any particular situation.  I wish I
 had the chance to try
 it on a couple of the adult FeLV cats I have lost to
 anemia.
 
 Personally, I don't think any of the available supplements
 that people
 (including myself) give these babies to build their immune
 systems, will
 reverse non-regenerative anemia.  Something a bit more
 proactive is needed.
 If you decide to try LTCI or Acemannan, I believe you will
 have to stop the
 pred. before starting either of those.
 
 Gary
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Amy
 Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 9:02 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing
 
 I've posted before about my cat Wolfie.  He's 7 years
 old and has been
 losing weight for the past 4 years.  His HCT is also
 down (currently 25).
 We've treated for hemobart and retested and he's now
 negative (was positive
 before).  He has started gaining weight and has put on
 a pound but I'm sure
 the leukemia is in his bone marrow.  He's been tested
 and has
 non-regenerative anemia.  He's been stable for a few
 months but his WBC,
 RBC, and platelet counts are all gradually declining. 
 I was expecting him
 to crash when I got the confirmation of non-regenerative
 anemia but he's
 holding his own.  I was told he's probably making red
 blood cells in his
 liver or spleen, just no longer in the bone marrow.  
 
 Has anybody ever had luck with LTCI or any of the other
 things mentioned
 once it has gotten to this point?  I've done all sorts
 of testing for
 digestive issues, lymphoma, IBD, etc.  We have made a
 couple trips to
 Cornell and decided to just keep him on pred and monitor
 trends for now.  I
 keep hoping for some miracle but I know the prognosis is
 not good.
 
 Thanks
 Amy  
 
 
       
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing

2009-11-24 Thread Amy
Hi Belinda,

I definitely considered Epogen but have decided against it for now.  Wolfie 
spent several months on Nutrived with no change in his HCT.  I was hoping that 
might do the trick :(

Thanks
Amy

 Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 1:58 AM
    Bailey was on
 epogen with his non regenerative anemia and it did bring his
 HCT back to normal, my Fred currently is on epogen, he is
 not positive but has non regenerative anemia because of CRF
 (chronic renal failure), his HCt is slowly coming back
 up.  I prefer Nutrived to Pet Tinic because it has
 folic acid in it, vit b, iron and folic acid are needed to
 build new blood cells.  As far as I know Pet Tinic
 doesn't have folic acid.  Bailey was positive.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing

2009-11-24 Thread Amy
Hi Lance,

Thanks for all the info.  I'm familiar with LTCI but not as much with some of 
the others you mention.  I definitely plan to ask the internal med at Cornell 
to look into these.  We are definitely considering LTCI but the pred is the 
sticky part.  Neither one of us want to take him off of the pred for something 
that has no research backing up that it works.  She read all the research and 
had several others review it.  They all agreed the science sounds reasonable 
but there are just so many problems with the paper.  I have yet to read it 
myself but plan to.  That is probably the one option I'm leaning towards.  

I also heard Neupogen mentioned somewhere and plan to ask her about that one.

Amy

--- On Mon, 11/23/09, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 11:08 PM
 Hi Amy,
 
 I'm sorry to hear about Wolfie. I don't have most of my
 email handy, so
 I can't look back at what you've written. Have you tried
 Transfer
 Factor?
 What about Liquid DMG? These are affordable supplements,
 and they *seem*
 to have helped in the case of my FeLV+ girl, Ember. DMG
 especially 
 *seems* to have little possibility of any negative
 consequences. When
 I've seen wbc issues in Ember, I've *seemingly* reversed
 some losses
 with these supplements. Please note how I use the word
 *seem*. 
 
 Neupogen might be an option. It's something I'm keeping in
 mind, 
 but I don't know much about it, other than it helps with
 wbc generation. 
 I believe some folks have used ImmunoRegulin in similar
 situations to
 yours 
 and had good results. Maybe the archives will shed some
 light on that. 
 And I could be wrong, but I seem to remember Epogen helping
 in non-regen 
 anemia, though that makes absolutely no sense. Again, the
 archives will
 hopefully help.
 
 LTCI might help with wbc generation. I'm seeing lots of
 mention of it
 on the list, but I'm very leery of it. We FeLV+ caregivers
 are so eager
 for anything that might help, but the marketing Immulan has
 engaged in
 has been questionable. Of course, that doesn't mean that it
 doesn't
 help,
 but the company haven't done enough proper tests to provide
 real
 reassurance
 that their product works. It's good that we're getting
 anecdotal
 evidence
 on the list, but that only goes so far. 
 
 Finally, I wonder if Pet Tinic might not help the rbc that
 Wolfie is
 able
 to produce. It's really just nutrients and nothing terribly
 unusual...
 mainly iron, I think. 
 
 Obviously, when it comes to any of these options, please
 consult your
 vet.
 
 My hopes and prayers for Wolfie's health, and for your
 ability to find
 something that might help his blood counts.
 
 Lance
 
 On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:01 -0800, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
  I've posted before about my cat Wolfie.  He's 7
 years old and has been
  losing weight for the past 4 years.  His HCT is
 also down (currently 25).
   We've treated for hemobart and retested and he's
 now negative (was
  positive before).  He has started gaining weight
 and has put on a pound
  but I'm sure the leukemia is in his bone marrow. 
 He's been tested and
  has non-regenerative anemia.  He's been stable
 for a few months but his
  WBC, RBC, and platelet counts are all gradually
 declining.  I was
  expecting him to crash when I got the confirmation of
 non-regenerative
  anemia but he's holding his own.  I was told he's
 probably making red
  blood cells in his liver or spleen, just no longer in
 the bone marrow.  
  
  Has anybody ever had luck with LTCI or any of the
 other things mentioned
  once it has gotten to this point?  I've done all
 sorts of testing for
  digestive issues, lymphoma, IBD, etc.  We have
 made a couple trips to
  Cornell and decided to just keep him on pred and
 monitor trends for now. 
  I keep hoping for some miracle but I know the
 prognosis is not good.
  
  Thanks
  Amy  
  
  
        
  
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[Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing

2009-11-23 Thread Amy
I've posted before about my cat Wolfie.  He's 7 years old and has been losing 
weight for the past 4 years.  His HCT is also down (currently 25).  We've 
treated for hemobart and retested and he's now negative (was positive before).  
He has started gaining weight and has put on a pound but I'm sure the leukemia 
is in his bone marrow.  He's been tested and has non-regenerative anemia.  He's 
been stable for a few months but his WBC, RBC, and platelet counts are all 
gradually declining.  I was expecting him to crash when I got the confirmation 
of non-regenerative anemia but he's holding his own.  I was told he's probably 
making red blood cells in his liver or spleen, just no longer in the bone 
marrow.  

Has anybody ever had luck with LTCI or any of the other things mentioned once 
it has gotten to this point?  I've done all sorts of testing for digestive 
issues, lymphoma, IBD, etc.  We have made a couple trips to Cornell and decided 
to just keep him on pred and monitor trends for now.  I keep hoping for some 
miracle but I know the prognosis is not good.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help

2009-11-19 Thread Amy
Hi Crystal,

Are you far from Cornell University in NY?  I recently took my cat to see an 
internal med there and have been incredibly pleased with her knowledge and 
compassion.  She is the only one who has not given up on my leuk positive cat.  
I'd be happy to send you her name if it's a trip that you could make.

Amy  

--- On Thu, 11/19/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 3:43 AM
 Hi Diane-
 I am not sure how much my vet knows about FeLV.  I am very
 thankful and grateful to have her help.  She is very busy
 and always listens to my constant questions.  However, she
 keeps telling me that its the FeLV running its course and
 there's nothing I can do.  However, I've been reading
 everyone's messages on here and it seems sometimes there is
 something you can do so I am trying to get as much
 information as possible.  I emailed two other vets
 yesterday that are 2 hours away to see if they are
 specialists on it.  I live in NW PA and I'm finding it
 difficult to find any vet that has dealt with it a lot.  I
 am laid off right now but if I have to scrape my pennies
 together and eat spaghetti for a month, I will.  She did
 tell me that sometimes kittens can convert to negative but
 since Nibbler had such problems already it didn't look good
 for him.  I am still trying everything to get him out of
 the slump and get some weight on him and maybe he can
  be as big and healthy as his 2 FelV + brothers.
 Crystal
  
 -
  
  
 Diane Rosenfeldt
 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:41:47 -0800
 Hi, Crystal --
 
 You'll get some great advice on this list. You guys are
 great for taking on
 this problem. I'm sorry Nibbler isn't doing so well. I
 guess my first (and
 only -- there are many more experienced people on this list
 to ask the
 others) question is how confident are you that your vet is
 up to speed on
 FeLV? That's kind of crucial here so that Nibbler gets the
 most
 knowledgeable care. Did your vet tell you that sometimes
 kittens convert to
 negative once their immune systems develop, and do you know
 if this is still
 an option for yours? 
 
 Best of luck and good vibes for Nibbler and the rest.
 
 Diane R. 
 
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 On Behalf Of Crystal Proper
 Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:22 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
 
 Hi, my name is Crystal.  My husband and I rescued three
 kittens that were 4
 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old
 building.  We tamed them
 as well.  About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were
 all FELV positive. 
 Two of them are fine and doing great.  The runt, Nibbler,
 isnt.  Hes been
 on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny
 eyes and nose…we had
 to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody
 diarrhea.  He is very
 symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its
 course and has
 run out if suggestions for me.  Hes also half the size of
 his brothers. 
 However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for
 me because I
 dont want to give up on him.  Heres my list… He has
 severe diarrhea. 
 Today it seems to be much more watery and blood.  I have
 been given him
 yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora.  He was
 getting boiled chicken,
 but will only eat canned cat food now.  Hes also been
 wormed.
 He has a constant runny eyes and nose.  He gets L-Lysine,
 B Vitamin Complex,
 and Ginger Root.
 Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet
 Tinic.
 He still runs and tries to get into rooms hes not supposed
 to and gets on
 my chest and purrs in my face.  Hes my baby.
 Please and help and prayers would be appreciated.
 
 
       
 
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[Felvtalk] Grrr went to the bridge...

2009-11-18 Thread Amy Ackerman

I haven't posted much since Grrr was diagnosed back in the spring, but I have 
been reading and learning.  
Sadly, my big nasty boy stopped eating a couple of weeks ago.  He spent a week 
at the vets receiving fluids which perked him up a bit, but he would 
deteriorate quickly when the IV was stopped.  My husband and I spent a long 
time with him on Monday evening, and he made it plain to us that he was tired 
and ready to go.  We stayed with him while he was sent to sleep, and true to 
his nature he bit the vet and myself one more time for good measure on the way 
out.  It sounds a little twisted, but none of us could stop laughing about that 
in the moments after he was gone- wiping away tears all the while.  It was as 
if he was talking to us- I'm ready to go; thanks for the good times, and don't 
you ever forget who the boss is here, you jerks!We should all be lucky enough 
to have our parting message be heard so clearly by our loved ones.
We miss his big nasty self around here.  The dog and the other cats have been 
walking on egg shells, testing their new limits carefully, as if they expect 
him to pop around a corner at any second and reestablish his dominance.  The 
other cats still will not go near his bed or food dish.  The dog, who weighs 
140 lbs., still will not enter Grrr's favorite room.  Even in absentia he is 
respected.
To all of you who contribute to this list, thank you so very much.  I have no 
doubt that the knowledge I gained here added time and quality to Grrr's life, 
and I've shared much of what I've learned with my vet, who has been eagerly 
absorbing the information; other FeLV+ cats in my area will benefit from my 
experience with Grrr.
Thanks again all.  Sleep easy, my good boy.  We miss you more than words can 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator

2009-08-25 Thread Amy
Thanks Jenny, 

I hope your sweet girl pulls through.  Please keep us posted.

Amy

--- On Tue, 8/25/09, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:

 From: jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 11:01 AM
 Amy,
 
 The shot cost me $60.  It is somewhat expensive and
 still pretty new to the
 field.  I think if you can get them started early on
 before the bone marrow
 suppression starts you have a better chance at controlling
 the virus.  I
 don't know all the details.  I am planning on calling
 them today to ask a
 few more questions.  I will keep you updated. 
 Good luck with your decision.
 
 Jenny
 
 
 On 8/24/09, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  Jenny,
 
  Do you mind me asking the price of a shot?  I'm
 thinking of trying this for
  my cats but I think I heard $90 a shot somewhere and
 I'm thinking that means
  $360 the first month, $200 the second month, and $90 a
 month after that.  I
  have several cats and am trying to figure out if it's
 practical for me to
  start it.
 
  Thanks
  Amy
 
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 wrote:
 
   From: jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net
   Subject: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic
 immunomodulator
   To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 5:19 PM
   Hello everyone,
  
   I really hope this email works.  I have been
 a part of
   this community for
   awhile but don't often respond.  I did,
 however, want
   to share this with
   you.
  
   I have had two cats die from severe anemia and
 bone marrow
   suppression
   associated from felv+.  It is a common cause
 of death
   for these guys and I
   have heard over and again in this forum.
  
   I currently have another sweet little girl who is
 about 1
   1/2 years old.
   She was doing well until recently when she
 started to
   become lethargic,
   stopped eating and was found to have a hematocrit
 of
   11%.  This is really,
   really, really low.  It is a
 non-regenerative anemia,
   with signs of
   lymphoma.  This is pretty much a death
 sentence for
   these guys.  A blood
   transfusion would only prolong the sufferng
  
   So here's the deal.  I found a vet that had
 the
   immunomodulator (from
   Imulan), got the shot and gave it to her on
 Friday.
   Her energy is gradually
   improving, her mucous membrane are pinking up and
 there are
   signs of
   improvement.
  
   I don't know if she'll pull through or not, but I
 have to
   tell you that this
   is currently the best option out there for
 treating this
   disease.  I found
   some of the information on it.  There is
 rapid and
   profound improvement of
   anemia, an increase in bone marrow activity and
 in some
   cases, return to
   normal with negative testing for the virus.
  
   I know there isn't a full proof cure out there
 but I have
   to say this may
   prove to be very helpful.  The long terms
 studies are
   still pending.
  
   So here's the deal, if you have a felv+ with bone
 marrow
   suppression
   (including anemia - low red blood cells,
 thrombocytopenia -
   low platelets,
   neutropenia - low levels of neutrophils, or
 lymphopenia -
   low lymphocyte
   count) and may or may not have the associated
   infections;  I highly
   recommend giving this a try.
  
   It is a simple subcutaneous shot given weekly at
 first and
   than monthly with
   improvement of bone marrow suppression and
 clinical
   symptoms.  It requires a
   vet order to get it.
  
   It is a far better alternative than the repeat
 cycle of
   blood transfusions,
   antibiotic regimens and prednisone.
  
   I will let you know how she does.
  
   Good luck everyone and God bless you for your
 generous and
   selfless hearts.
  
   Jenny
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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator

2009-08-24 Thread Amy
Jenny,

Do you mind me asking the price of a shot?  I'm thinking of trying this for my 
cats but I think I heard $90 a shot somewhere and I'm thinking that means $360 
the first month, $200 the second month, and $90 a month after that.  I have 
several cats and am trying to figure out if it's practical for me to start it.

Thanks
Amy

--- On Mon, 8/24/09, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:

 From: jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator
 To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 5:19 PM
 Hello everyone,
 
 I really hope this email works.  I have been a part of
 this community for
 awhile but don't often respond.  I did, however, want
 to share this with
 you.
 
 I have had two cats die from severe anemia and bone marrow
 suppression
 associated from felv+.  It is a common cause of death
 for these guys and I
 have heard over and again in this forum.
 
 I currently have another sweet little girl who is about 1
 1/2 years old.
 She was doing well until recently when she started to
 become lethargic,
 stopped eating and was found to have a hematocrit of
 11%.  This is really,
 really, really low.  It is a non-regenerative anemia,
 with signs of
 lymphoma.  This is pretty much a death sentence for
 these guys.  A blood
 transfusion would only prolong the sufferng
 
 So here's the deal.  I found a vet that had the
 immunomodulator (from
 Imulan), got the shot and gave it to her on Friday. 
 Her energy is gradually
 improving, her mucous membrane are pinking up and there are
 signs of
 improvement.
 
 I don't know if she'll pull through or not, but I have to
 tell you that this
 is currently the best option out there for treating this
 disease.  I found
 some of the information on it.  There is rapid and
 profound improvement of
 anemia, an increase in bone marrow activity and in some
 cases, return to
 normal with negative testing for the virus.
 
 I know there isn't a full proof cure out there but I have
 to say this may
 prove to be very helpful.  The long terms studies are
 still pending.
 
 So here's the deal, if you have a felv+ with bone marrow
 suppression
 (including anemia - low red blood cells, thrombocytopenia -
 low platelets,
 neutropenia - low levels of neutrophils, or lymphopenia -
 low lymphocyte
 count) and may or may not have the associated
 infections;  I highly
 recommend giving this a try.
 
 It is a simple subcutaneous shot given weekly at first and
 than monthly with
 improvement of bone marrow suppression and clinical
 symptoms.  It requires a
 vet order to get it.
 
 It is a far better alternative than the repeat cycle of
 blood transfusions,
 antibiotic regimens and prednisone.
 
 I will let you know how she does.
 
 Good luck everyone and God bless you for your generous and
 selfless hearts.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Andrew and Sable

2009-08-24 Thread Amy Dalgliesh
You've got it Sherry.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed that things get 
better for Andrew and Sable.
 
Amy

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From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Andrew and Sable
To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 8:19 PM


Could I please get good thoughts and prayers for these 2 wonderful Sids 
kids.They are at the clinic and being taken care of by the best.But sometimes 
the best is not enough.THank you all so much
Sherry
 
 


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a Sanctuary

2009-08-24 Thread Amy Dalgliesh
The way I read it is they take in cats that are in dire straights and have made 
provisions for FeLV's and FIV's.  It looks to me like they ask for the large 
donations if you have a pet for which you want them to take 
over responsibility. I agree with Gary, that if people pay that amount for 
lifetime care, they're not apt to want their cat adopted out.  I think this fee 
takes care of a couple of issues for the sanctuary, it keeps the numbers of 
owner forfeitures down and the money they do get covers costs so the expense 
doesn't cut into the rescue end.  They also have a vet on staff and a low cost 
spay neuter clinic that is open to the public.  It looks pretty impressive.  
That said, I would still have to check it out myself before any of mine went 
there (or anywhere for that matter).  Of course, I'd have to win the lotto also.

--- On Mon, 8/24/09, JENI RECA jrock...@hotmail.com wrote:


From: JENI RECA jrock...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a 
Sanctuary
To: feluk feluk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 10:10 AM



you could try angel's gate, they have a place in long island, but also one in 
upstate near delhi (they were willing to take a feluk cat I was trying to find 
a home for, but in the end I kept him due to medical issues and anxiety)  that 
was about two years ago so I dont know if they are still up and running.  I 
emailed them through their website.  Also another sanctuary is called love and 
hope in upstate new york they have a website (google love and hope sanctuary 
new york) i think you will find it through there.  good luck!Jeni

 From: dhotz...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:52:41 -0400
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a    
 Sanctuary
 
  
 I live in Central New Jersey and I have a cat that showed up on my doorstep 
 about 10 months ago.  He is so super friendly that my husband and I decided 
 that we wanted to take him in as one of our own.  We took him to the vet 
 about 3 weeks ago and he tested positive for Leukemia.  We were heartbroken.  
 We cannot take him inside due to the fact that we have 2 healthy cats 
 inside already.
 
 The vet said that he is about 2-3 years old and in good health with the 
 exception of testing positive for Leukemia.  (by the way - he did test 
 negative for HIV and he has been neutered)  He is the sweetest cat and just 
 wants to be petted and loved and talked to.  I was out back the other back in 
 my lounge chair and he jumped up onto my chest and wanted me to pet him, 
 which of course I did.  He is also very friendly with the neighbor children.
 
 I would love to find a safe place for him where he can get some interaction 
 with humans as well as other cats.  We have a few other cats that we feed 
 outside and he seems to get along well with them.
 
 I need  to find a safe place for him where he will be loved and cared 
 for.   We really need your help!!!  Any information in the New Jersey, New 
 York and Pennsylvania area will be helpful.
 
 Thanks!
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Re: [Felvtalk] RIP Mattie 7/09 - 8/09

2009-08-17 Thread Amy
Sharyl,

I'm sorry to hear about Mattie.  She sounds so sweet.  Her story reminds me a 
lot of a little grey kitty I lost.  She had so much personality and was so full 
of life.

Amy

--- On Thu, 8/13/09, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] RIP Mattie 7/09 - 8/09
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 4:42 PM
 I had to make that last vet trip with
 my dear sweet Mattie today.  She lost the use of her
 back legs last week due to neurological issues from the
 FeLV.  The paralysis spread and she had lost bladder
 and bowel control.  She was still eating and grooming
 herself but I couldn't wait until she was suffering. 
 She deserved better than that.  She fell asleep in my
 arms from the sedative and never felt the 2nd shot.
 
 Even though blind since birth she was the most inquisitive
 kitten I've ever had.  No challenge was too great for
 her.  She is the last of a litter of 4 positive babies
 I rescued last summer.  What amazes me is that their
 mom and 3 aunts, all positives and now spayed, are still
 doing fine.  
 
 All I can say is Mattie had a wonderful 12 months wanting
 for nothing and teaching me so much.  I learned not to
 let a handicap limit me.  It sure didn't limit her love
 of life.   She is now at the Rainbow Bridge
 with Bright Eyes, Houdini, and CJ.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you for your help

2009-08-12 Thread Amy Dalgliesh
MaryChristine,
What is it about those sassy, fiesty, independant calico girls that makes us 
love them so?  We must be suckers for punishment, cause they sure do love to 
dole it out.  One of mine is ancient, weighs less than 6 lbs, toothless and I 
still can't pill her.  She's the smallest cat of the bunch, but she can move a 
15 lb male from his bowl of canned food just by staring at him.  I'm crazy 
about her and I celebrate her attitude.

--- On Wed, 8/12/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:


From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you for your help
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 11:12 AM


i think it's really natural for us to want to try EVERYTHING to help our
beloved ones, even when, sometimes, it's in our best interests and not
really theirs. that's what i believe that i have learned from my cats in
their final days. i know that, early on, i kept some of mine around
longer than i would do now, but not from meanness, rather from lack of
awareness. i had to learn... to separate out their needs from mine, to ask
them what they needed, to truly listen to what they were telling me.

people learn at different rates; i try very hard (not always successfully,
as those reading another FeLV list can attest) not to judge others'
progress.

i actually have a kitty in terminal crf right now; she bit the hell out of
me the last two times i tried to hydrate her. she's my remaining heartcat,
and her refusing treatment is killing me--but how can i not honor her
choices, after all she's given me through the years? she's the official
international spokescat for the Calico Liberation Coalition, CaLiCo, a
4-paw-declawed, harlequin girl that refuses to purr tho will, very
occasionally, practice Rhythmic Growling--to force her to do anything would
be an assault on her very cathood. she's someplace close to 16 years
old, and has blessed my life with bite wounds and attiTUDE for over ten
years now--i adore her, and know completely that in her furry little
multicolored heart, she  feels the same way toward me. i will do what is
best for her when her job on this earth is complete; no matter how much it
pains me--i know that she will tell me if she needs help, tho actually i'm
just hoping she'll allow me to be with her when the time comes, and not just
leave me an email.

the wisest advice i've ever gotten, though, is that it's best to send them
across the bridge one day too soon, than five minutes too late. feeling
guilty about their, not being ready, when they weren't yet suffering, is
pointless, but nothing compared to the knowledge that one has waited too
long.

sometimes, tho, we need to go through the latter to understand. we need to
be gentle with one another as we learn these horrible lessons. and hope that
what we learn so painfully can help someone else learn them with less
difficulty.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Staph Protein A

2009-08-10 Thread Amy
Hi Hebert,

Do you mind if I forward this info to my vet so she can give me her opinion on 
Staph Protein A?

Thanks
Amy

--- On Sat, 8/8/09, hebert ferrarezzi hferrare...@hotmail.com wrote:

 From: hebert ferrarezzi hferrare...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Staph Protein A
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 9:58 PM
 
 Dear Gary
 I have used Staphoccocal Protein-A, from Sigma Aldrich:
 Product: P6031 - 1MG, Protein A from Staphylococcus aureus;
 Soluble, essentially salt-free, lyophilized powder;  or
 Product: P3838 - 1MG, Protein A from Staphylococcus aureus;
 Soluble, Cowan Strain, essentially salt-free, lyophilized
 powder. 
 http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/etc/medialib/docs/Sigma/productinformationsheet2/p3838pis.Par.0001.File.tmp/p3838pis.pdf
 
 
  
 
 It is important to note that transgenic Protein A expressed
 in Escherichia colli, although having the same
 immunoglobulin binding properties, does not have the same
 superantigenic properties as the native one. The difference
 may be due to a bit of contamination with other
 superantigens from Staphlococcus aureus (perhaps with staph
 entherotoxin-A during product extraction and purification).
 So the transgenic version does not serve to our intent.
 
 This product is currently used as a chemical reagent, and
 not as a medication (except in experimental studies). You
 have to register before buying and affiliation to some
 university or research institute is wanted (maybe you can
 get an aid from another person).
 
 Although I am a researcher, I was not made any experiment
 with my FelV+ cats, so I cannot be sure if apparently
 hopeful outcomes were not merely by chance. I just think the
 subject merits more attention, considering the earlier
 surprising results obtained by scientists.  I am also
 aware of a subsequent statistically controlled study carried
 on by Vet-researchers found no significant difference from
 the placebo group. But I am also aware that unknown
 variables, then unsuspected (such a little bit of
 contamination mentioned above, certainly a trait neither
 standard nor regularly desired by the fabricants), can
 account for different results obtained by different
 researchers in different circumstances.
 
 By the way, tree of my four FelV+ cats have already gone
 (crossed the bridge as you say), Pupa and Mãe victims of
 lymphoma, and Porchops due an idiopathic cystitis
 (apparently not felv-related).  All the four got
 considerable improvement in most blood counts during and
 after treatment and never suffered from FelV-related
 opportunistic infections. Jorge, the one that remains in
 this world, is doing very fine, thanks, being asymptomatic
 up to now.  Early experiments using protein A have
 reported that 28% of the cats respond positively to the
 treatment. I think the attempt was not deceiving yet.
 
  
 
 Best wishes for you all.
 
 Hebert
 
  
  From: gcru...@centurytel.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:17:53 -0500
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Staph Protein A
  
  Has anyone on the list ever used Staph Protein A for
 treatment of FeLV cats?
  If so, where did you get it? I just talked with two of
 the manufacturers
  that are listed on the Felineleukemia.org site and
 both said they could not
  sell it except to a research facility. They said if a
 vet wanted it, he
  would have to be doing a research study and his
 application for it would be
  reviewed by the company to see if they though he met
 their criteria. They
  would not sell it simply for treatment use.
  
  I will keep looking, but it seems a shame that
 something with all the
  promise of Staph Protein A (and a LOT cheaper than
 LTCI) can't be purchased
  to save kitties.
  
  Gary
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Staph Protein A

2009-08-10 Thread Amy
Oh, my mistake.  I thought I read that he got some from Sigma Aldrich.  I'll 
have to go back and read more.

Amy

--- On Mon, 8/10/09, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:

 From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Staph Protein A
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 1:07 PM
 It won't matter much if we can't
 figure out how to get some.  Anybody out
 there with a biological research company who would be
 willing to buy us some
 Staph Protein A for the research on our kitties?
 
 Gary
 
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 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Amy
 Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 9:54 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Staph Protein A
 
 Hi Hebert,
 
 Do you mind if I forward this info to my vet so she can
 give me her opinion
 on Staph Protein A?
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-08-08 Thread Amy
Hi Gary,

This makes more sense.  I saw you said you gave a dose of 100 units and I was 
thrown since my vet told me to dose at 100 units per KG.  The price is actually 
pretty similar that way because you have 4 doses at $30 or 24 doses at $240.  
My vet's quote was for Procrit, 24 doses (500U/dose, dosed at 100U/kg).  I will 
definitely let her know about the Walmart specialty pharmacy, though, since 
it's still about $40 less.  Thanks for that info.  It will be nice to not have 
to start with buying 24 doses right from the start since this will be our first 
time trying it. 

Amy

 I made a slight error when typing
 below, it should say a dose is 100 units
 PER KG, not just 100 units.  How many doses one vial
 gives you depends on
 the size of your cat.  For mine it is 5 doses, just
 about enough to see if
 it is working.  You start with 3 times a week and as
 you approach your
 target level of hemocrit, you start cutting back to twice a
 week and monitor
 results and then to once a week and if you get lucky, maybe
 to once every 10
 - 14 days.  It just depends on how the hemocrit level
 responds.  Here is a
 link to an article you may find helpful.
 http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#epogen_eprex_procrit
 
 
 Your vet is over the edge on prices, just have him call it
 in to the Walmart
 Specialty Pharmacy at 1-877-453-4566.  You will also
 need U100 insulin
 syringes, they are .5ml maximum and are marked for .01ml
 minimum so it is
 pretty easy to draw up the units you need.
 
 Gary
 
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 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Amy
 Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 8:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
 
 Hi Gary,
 
 How many shots does that vial give you?  I'm trying to
 figure out the
 expense of Epogen.  My vet quoted me $277 for Procrit
 and she said it was
 almost double that at the other pharmacy she uses.  I
 need to do the math to
 figure out how many doses that $277 is for but it sounds
 like your deal is
 way better.  
 
 Amy
 
  I had the vet call in a prescription
  to the Walmart Specialty Pharmacy.
  
  It was $30.68 for a 1ml 2000 unit vial and they
 shipped it
  FedEx overnight
  for free.  Got it about an hour ago and have already
  given the first shot
  (100 units).  As long as it is given Sub-q, I do it
  myself (shots, fluids,
  etc.).
  
  I am looking into Staph Protein A which showed a lot
 of
  promise in treating
  FeLV back in the mid 80s.  This is given with a shot
  into the abdominal
  cavity - I think I will be letting the vet do that.
  
  Gary
  
 
 
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[Felvtalk] More Hemobart

2009-08-08 Thread Amy
Ok, so I took my FIV+ cat in for her check up and her HCT was 29%, low for her 
and the same as Wolfie's was a month ago.  We checked her for hemobart and she 
has also come back positive for the same organism as Wolfie, M. haemominutum.  
I have never had fleas in my home that I'm aware of.  All my cats go every 6 
months for full check-ups.  I'm going to take my other 2 in next week to get 
checked but am wondering if anybody else has tested for hemobart.  I read 
somewhere that leuk positive cats are predisposed to testing positive for this. 
 I've also read it's not contagious so I'm stunned by the fact that cats from 
different locations, brought in at different times, have this.  I'm hoping that 
this may be the cause of Wolfie's anemia/weight loss now that I see Sierra's 
HCT is possibly being affected by it as well.  Fingers crossed that I'm dealing 
with anemia due to this and not nonregenerative anemia.  My vet says hemobart 
is not that common so I'm
 curious how many others have come across it in.  All my cats have had numerous 
blood smears done (every 6 months for the past 5-6 years) and have never shown 
any sign of hemobart.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-08-07 Thread Amy
So here's my dilemma.  I'm struggling with a lot of decisions right now but 
I'll try to summarize.  His hematocrit was 29 a month ago, now it's 27.  Over 
the past 5 years, it's never been below high 30's.  So something is going on 
that it's going down.  My vet wants me to bring him back Wednesday and do an 
ear prick, check his HCT, and if it's ok, do a digestive panel to check for 
malabsorption, pancreatitis and other stuff (this is a test I've been asking 
about for some time, not something she is pushing).  It takes 4 mls of blood.  
I definitely want to rule this stuff out but am hesitant to draw more blood.  
Part of me feels I'm so terrified of this decreasing HCT that I've sort of 
given up.  That same part of me definitely doesn't want to accelerate that 
decline by drawing blood if he's really going down the path of the virus in the 
bone marrow, not making red blood cells, HCT steadily decreasing til he fails.  
On the other hand what if the anemia is
 mild because it's due to something like the digestive stuff and I could save 
him and don't try?  I'm so torn.  I'll hate myself if I do this bloodwork and 
my happy, relatively stable cat starts to crash.  Thoughts?  I'm going to post 
his whole history on the anemia group and get some opinions too and I'm trying 
to research the likelihood of the anemia coming from digestive issues.

Amy

--- On Thu, 8/6/09, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote:

 From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 10:31 PM
 PS.  His anemia was related to
 his positive status.  My vet thinks the virus activated
 in his bone marrow and that is what brought on the anemia,
 he developed pancreatic cancer in the 6 months we were
 trying to figure out what was going on.  It was obvious
 something was still wrong because even after we got his HCT
 normalized he was very lethargic and wouldn't eat.  My
 gut feeling was pancreatitis but my vet didn't think so
 because his blood work was normal, I wish I had followed my
 instincts and had the test for pancreatitis done, he may not
 have developed cancer if we had treated him for that.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-08-07 Thread Amy
Hi Belinda,

Can I just clarify?  Bailey was leuk positive and had no other issues other 
than the anemia?  While you were trying to figure that out, he developed 
pancreatitis?  No CRF or anything else, you were using the Epogen solely for 
the leukemia related anemia?  The reason I'm asking is because I'm trying to 
weigh the pros and cons of whether to start Epogen when Wolfie's HCT gets low.  
My vet and I are trying to understand how it could hypothetically work for 
anemia related to bone marrow issues as opposed to CRF and she says it doesn't 
make sense that it would help.  Again she's not saying it doesn't help or that 
we shouldn't try it (she's totally up for it if I am), we are just trying to 
figure out how it could help by looking at the causes of the anemia.  You are 
the only person I've heard say they used it for a leuk pos cat with anemia 
rather than CRF so we are very interested in your story.  Thanks for sharing.  
Sounds like Bailey was a very lucky cat to
 have you.

Amy

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 From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 10:27 PM
   Bailey was on epogen for
 almost 6 months when he became anemic, it brought his HCT
 from a low of 15% back up to 40% within 6 weeks or so. 
 When he passed he was still on a maintanence dose of epogen
 once a week and his HCT was holding at 33%.
 
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[Felvtalk] Wolfie

2009-08-07 Thread Amy
One more question.  We did a reticulocyte count on Wolfie because we had to 
draw blood for a CBC and we were able to do the test with the same sample.  I 
hoped it would give me some useful information.  The results came back and my 
vet felt they really weren't very informative or helpful.  She called for 
clarification and to explain Wolfie's history of leukemia, higher HCT's, etc. 
and to ask if the anemia is non-regenerative or not.  They said that the amount 
of reticulocytes was appropriate for a cat with a HCT of 27 but that they can't 
tell if it's regenerative or not because the HCT has to be below 20 to 
determine that.  We knew it was recommended to wait til then to do it but both 
felt we didn't want to be waiting that long or drawing more blood at that 
stage.  I'm confused.  If it was non-regenerative, he wouldn't be making 
reticulocytes, right?  Anybody ever do a retic count before the HCT drops below 
20?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-08-07 Thread Amy
Hi Gary,

How many shots does that vial give you?  I'm trying to figure out the expense 
of Epogen.  My vet quoted me $277 for Procrit and she said it was almost double 
that at the other pharmacy she uses.  I need to do the math to figure out how 
many doses that $277 is for but it sounds like your deal is way better.  

Amy

 I had the vet call in a prescription
 to the Walmart Specialty Pharmacy.
 
 It was $30.68 for a 1ml 2000 unit vial and they shipped it
 FedEx overnight
 for free.  Got it about an hour ago and have already
 given the first shot
 (100 units).  As long as it is given Sub-q, I do it
 myself (shots, fluids,
 etc.).
 
 I am looking into Staph Protein A which showed a lot of
 promise in treating
 FeLV back in the mid 80s.  This is given with a shot
 into the abdominal
 cavity - I think I will be letting the vet do that.
 
 Gary
 
 -Original Message-
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 On Behalf Of Sander, Sue
 Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 2:04 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
 
 Gary,  What do you mean you are expecting a delivery
 of Epogen.  Don't
 you need to get this from your vet?  I'm new to all of
 this.
 
 Susan 
 
 
 
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