Re: [Felvtalk] Suzy's Zoo in SC

[Heather]

Thank you Susan! And Lorrie. They have taken a few cats from our local shelter, 
and I know some who are taking one there tomorrow. A close friend has one 
pending retest this week who will otherwise be euthanized and we've since heard 
Suzy's will take, so I will pass this on. Susan, if you know where I can find 
direct feedback can you let me know, so I may share with those sending or 
considering sending cats there? I understand if you can't or don't have this 
information. Thanks so much for your input!!

Heather

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On Jan 5, 2014, at 10:39 AM, Susan Saunders  wrote:

> I checked into last summer - got good and not so good comments so I passed on 
> them
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 5, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
>> 
>> Never heard of it and I've been researching sanctuarys for years.
>> Do they have a website?  Make sure they are legitimate and also
>> charge at least $1,000 UP  (mostly up) per cat as the ones who 
>> charge to little for the lifetime care of a cat will usually end
>> up with too many cats and get shut down.
>> 
>> Lorrie
>> 
>>> On 01-04, Heather wrote:
>>> Hello, wondering if anyone has been to or has experience with this 
>>> sanctuary? A friend may contact them about a kitty she rescued.
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[Felvtalk] Suzy's Zoo in SC

[Heather]

Hello, wondering if anyone has been to or has experience with this sanctuary? A 
friend may contact them about a kitty she rescued. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Need feline interferon omega very quickly

[Heather]

Hideyo Yamomoto (unsure on last name/spelling) who used to be on this list as 
well as others, might be a good person to ask about this. 

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On Dec 23, 2013, at 9:17 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:

> Hi,
>  
> My name is Michelle and I used to be a regular on this list for several years 
> when I had 6 FeLV+ cats, none of whom, unfortunately, are still with me. At 
> the time, several of us were ordering feline interferon omega and would send 
> it to each other when needed in an emergency. I have an FIV+ cat now who 
> appears to have non-effusive FIP (not definite but many signs pointing 
> there). The only hope of helping that is feline interferon omega given in 
> combination with steroids, and given quickly. I will not be able to get it 
> quickly. Does anyone have it who might be willing to sell me a few doses to 
> get him started while I try to get it? Or to do an exchange like we used to 
> do, sending me a few doses while I order and then I send it back? 
>  
> Michelle L.
> NJ (used to be MA)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Uneven pupils

[Heather]

I think there can be a variety of causes.  Some of the ones of concern, I
think, are high blood pressure, tumor, and toxoplasmosis possibly.  We had
a 14 year old feral FIV+ kitty who had an eye issue like this and my vet
felt it was a tumor, we then found out she had CRF and toxoplasmosis (vet
didn't feel eye related to toxo) and she was treated for just under a year,
sucessfully, for all until a urinary issue took her quality of life.  At
first I'd been so scared of an eye tumor, but the eye was never a problem
again.  I've had other feral cats with uneven pupils where it never seemed
to be a problem.

Good luck


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Marcia  wrote:

> I can tell you from experience that sometimes an uneven pupil can be
> caused by an ear infection. Good luck with your babies(-:
>
> Sent from my absolutely outstanding iphone(:
>
>
> On Dec 20, 2013, at 9:46 AM, "Katherine K."  wrote:
>
> Forgot to say - Krammer has an appointment for Monday morning with his
> usual vet, but I could take him tomorrow if needed. I am not sure how
> urgent it is.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Katherine K.  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I just noticed my 10 year old FeLV cat, Krammer, has uneven pupils. He
>> had a winky/weepy eye a couple of weeks ago for a few days, where he had
>> some drainage and one eye was squinty with a smaller pupil. It cleared up
>> on it's own after a few days (I give him lysine). A day or two ago it came
>> back, this time the other eye (if I recall correctly). The affected eye is
>> squinty, third eyelid shows a little, and one pupil is small while the
>> other pupil looks normal.  I'm not sure if this is just a herpes flare up,
>> or something else. He first tested positive about 6 months ago. I found the
>> term anisocoria while searching this list archives. Gonna research a
>> little more.
>>
>> Second question:
>> One of my 8 month old FeLV kittens, Shmoo, began having what I would call
>> labored or heavy breathing 2 days ago. I can see his sides and nose moving
>> as he breathes. He is a little less active, and last night he
>> coughed/wheezed a little and his paw pads, usually pink (he's a white cat),
>> looked slightly purple, like he's not getting enough oxygen. He looked pink
>> again this morning. Gonna take him in, but wanted to mention it here too in
>> case anyone has input.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Katherine
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite

[Heather]

I researched it before and read no on oregano oil. The phenols in essential 
oils can not be processed by the feline liver. Lym dyp is safe and effective. 

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On Dec 18, 2013, at 10:08 PM, KG BarnCats  wrote:

> Can oregano oil be used on cats?  A friend has two kittens with awful 
> ringworm.  So far Program and Vetericyn haven't done much.  (Gave her some 
> Vibactra Plus tonite to try boosting the kittens' immune system.)
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, December 17, 2013, Marcia  wrote:
> > Yes, I'm actually more into natural and homeopathic then conventional 
> > medicine.
> >
> > Sent from my absolutely outstanding iphone(:
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 17, 2013, at 6:07 AM, Margo  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >>> From: dlg...@windstream.net
> >>> Sent: Dec 17, 2013 12:04 AM
> >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
> >>>
> >>> I am leary of drs. who want to see/know about herbs, etc. as they might 
> >>> report you for practicing medicine without a license.
> >>
> >>   Unless one is charging for services, simply suggesting or selling a 
> >> legal product probably presents no legal issue. I've had mixed results 
> >> with alternative therapies, but don't hesitate to try them, after 
> >> considerable research. It's probably best to tell your Allopath about 
> >> anything you're taking, no matter how "safe", as some herbal remedies and 
> >> products can significantly affect physiology. Which means they work :)
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >>
> >> Margo
> >>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Capstar / Topical Flea Control

[Heather]

If they have a lot of fleas, I've never attributed that to anything more
than that, the fleas are all running around on them dying so they get
itchy/scratchy/crazed for a bit.  Not sure if this is the same as what your
friend is describing but I can see how someone might describe what we've
seen that way--though I'd say an hour, not hours.


On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Beth  wrote:

> I've never had problems with Capstar until I gave it to one of my older
> cats recently. She ran around like a cat possessed for hours. A friend said
> her dog had the same reaction. Has anyone else had this happen?
>
> Beth
>
>
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/>
>
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:00 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control
>
> I have no idea of the safety, but you might want to look into the newer
> topicals such as Activyl and Simpleguard as it seems Rev/Adv/Frontline
> aren't as effective as they used to be, for many of us anyway.  Program is
> said to be very safe, as it Capstar (not a preventative) so there might be
> combinations you could use to try and gently but effectively treat &
> prevent.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control

[Heather]

I have no idea of the safety, but you might want to look into the newer
topicals such as Activyl and Simpleguard as it seems Rev/Adv/Frontline
aren't as effective as they used to be, for many of us anyway.  Program is
said to be very safe, as it Capstar (not a preventative) so there might be
combinations you could use to try and gently but effectively treat &
prevent.


On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Michelle B  wrote:

> I am having a crazy hard time keeping fleas off of my FeLV foster. I do
> flea comb at least once a day and keep everything very clean but they won't
> go away. I hate the thought of putting a topical on her because her nodes
> are huge and her immune sytem is already compromised but I know these fleas
> are no good either. I have no idea how they can still be on her because I
> have been so aggressive.
>
> Has anyone researched topicals for + cats? Like are there any that are
> 'safer' than others? I was thinking of trying Revolution on herthat way
> it it will keep away fleas, ticks, earmites, etc. Thoughts? She is 7 months
> old and healthy considering.
>
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[Felvtalk] Los Angeles - Good vet for very sick FIV+ kitty needed!!!

[Heather]

I am in Tampa and a friend who adopted a very special FIV+ kitty from us 2
years ago is afraid she is losing him, tests are showing nothing and she is
having a terrible time with the vets.  Can anyone recommend a good vet for
a very sick FIV+ kitty in the Los Angeles area?

His main symptom is just extreme weight loss and constant vomiting.  B/w,
xray and ultrasounds have been unremarkable--I have warned her about HL and
the need to force feed.

Thank you for any suggestions!!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums

[Heather]

Yes, definitely.  I would get him in asap (today).  This is a worry with
any kitty and especially felv+ kitties.  Last time someone told me their
cat was eating litter, he died soon after even though they got him to the
vet (probably needed a transfusion which I don't think they tried).

Again not to scare you but given pale gums + eating litter, would rather
err to the side of caution and say get him in asap as that's definitely
worriesome.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Katherine K.  wrote:

> Thanks. After doing few searches on the listserv archive and reading past
> posts I wanted to add that I also have found him a couple of times recently
> eating litter (the kind he was eating was Worlds Best Cat Litter made from
> corn, but he also uses clay litter) and he has a tendency to lick the
> shower drain after my shower. Seems like those could also be symptoms of
> anemia..missing a mineral or something.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Heather  wrote:
>
>> Pale gums can indicate anemia, if gums are white they are usually near
>> death.  I'd get the kitty's PCV (packed cell volume) checked asap.  FELV+
>> cats are particularly prone to anemia, I don't have any FELV+ cats and
>> think sometimes it is non-regenerative but some here might have some advice.
>>
>> Not to scare you, but anemia is something that needs to be addressed
>> quickly.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Katherine K. wrote:
>>
>>> Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the opposite
>>> problem - pale gums.
>>>
>>> One of my positive kittens Terence has started looking/feeling a little
>>> skinny and his usually short sleek fur has a more raggedy look to it. I
>>> checked his gums this morning and they were pale compared to his 3 siblings
>>> (who are also positive). He is 6 months old. They are on lysine and getting
>>> wet and dry food.
>>>
>>> I'm going to try adding fortiflora and get some lixotinic from the vet.
>>> Appetite seems normal, he's still active/playful but perhaps less so than
>>> usual.
>>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums

[Heather]

Pale gums can indicate anemia, if gums are white they are usually near
death.  I'd get the kitty's PCV (packed cell volume) checked asap.  FELV+
cats are particularly prone to anemia, I don't have any FELV+ cats and
think sometimes it is non-regenerative but some here might have some advice.

Not to scare you, but anemia is something that needs to be addressed
quickly.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Katherine K.  wrote:

> Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the opposite problem
> - pale gums.
>
> One of my positive kittens Terence has started looking/feeling a little
> skinny and his usually short sleek fur has a more raggedy look to it. I
> checked his gums this morning and they were pale compared to his 3 siblings
> (who are also positive). He is 6 months old. They are on lysine and getting
> wet and dry food.
>
> I'm going to try adding fortiflora and get some lixotinic from the vet.
> Appetite seems normal, he's still active/playful but perhaps less so than
> usual.
>
> Katherine
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Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm

[Heather]

How does a human use Genetian violet for RW, internally or topically?

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On Aug 31, 2013, at 2:58 PM, "Gloria B. Lane"  wrote:

> 
> I'm on Digest version of this list, and it's not easy to reply... but I 
> learned about Gentian Violet when I was a kid, and it worked great for 
> ringworm - mine was on my hand.  I've since used it on cats when appropriate 
> and it worked.  I generally use Golden Seal tincture (from the health food 
> store, about $8), as it works well and isn't purple.  But have used Malaseb 
> shampoo and it worked well. I don't use Grisiofulvin since it's systemic, 
> unless it's a bad case of ringworm - has a Persian like that so did use the 
> Grisiofulvin.
> 
> I read up on Advantage Multi a while back, and didn't like some of the 
> reports of it - so I never use Advantage Multi.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Gloria
> 
> 
> 
> From: Catherine Chang 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
> 
> 
> 
> Hi felv friends, 
> 
> 
> I was away from emails for several days, so I am not sure whether bathing 
> options has been mentioned in this thread about ringworm. If they been 
> mentioned, please skip this email. If not, here they are: 
> 
> I know 2 shampoos can eliminate ringworm very effectively by just bathing 
> the cat (or just his/her infected area) twice a week.  
> 
> 1. Malaseb shampoo: it contains 2% Miconazole which can treat ringworm 
> very effectively. It is available on Amazon. 
> 2. Nizoral Shampoo: it is a human dandruff shampoo made with 
> Ketoconazole. The 1% version can be obtained in drug stores. Although 
> taking Ketoconazole by mouth could make cat lethargy, such side effect is 
> less seen when only using it by bathing as far as I know. There is also a 
> pet version of 2% Ketoconazole shampoo, but you will need a prescription 
> to get that. 
> 
> hope it helps.
> catherine
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Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm

[Heather]

The oral meds can be very hard on the liver, I believe Itraconazole
(sporanox) is considered the "safest", griseofulvin and ketoconzole can be
dangerous, Griseofulvin should not be used in FIV+ cats (one of the main
people on the former Ringworm group lost his FIV+ kitty that way), and my
understanding is that Ketoconazole shouldn't be used in cats.  Personally I
would not use either, but if oral meds seem necessary would stick to
Itraconazole.

Just a two cents, I'm not a vet but know many here are already dealing with
challenged kitties so wanted to mention :-)


On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:49 PM,  wrote:

> As long as it works, that is what is important.  I know this is a bit
> late, but been busy taking care of Lil Bit, giving fluids, meds and syringe
> feeding.  All to no avail, she passed last Friday.
> When I was a child, I got ringworm and my doctor (an old vet who went to
> Vienna and trained for people meds) used gentian violet on my head.  It was
> purple, but got rid of the ringworm.  Ever since then, the hair on that
> part of my head is curlier and thicker.
>
>  Cindy McHugh  wrote:
> > When we took in a cat with ringworm, the first vet prescribed an
> expensive oral medication (something like Griseofluvin). We sought the
> advice of a different vet who gave the cat a shot of antibiotics and
> recommended we use lime sulfur dips. It took a while, but it did clear up.
> The dips are messy and stinky, but effective.
> >
> > Good luck.
> > Cindy
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer

[Heather]

Yes, I'm not a big fan of fb either but am active on there for animal
purposes and it does seem to be the best way to find help these days.

Send me the info & I will share it, if you can send any pics of the cats
(of course that won't disclose her feeding location), I can post with a pic
in hopes that  might help:)

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Lee Evans  wrote:

> Great idea! I have a PayPal account which I need because I work from
> online in several different types of jobs and companies (independent
> contractor) so be sure to earmark it for Community Cats. That way I will be
> able to give her whatever donations come in. If you could post on Facebook,
> that would be even more of a help. My Facebook page is under my online name
> at a company I have been working for over 10 years and I'm not allowed to
> use it for private purposes. I don't have a FB page of my own. Facebook
> Phobia? Thanks again. I will get the info together and send it to you at
> your private email address.
>
>
>
> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
> neighbors too!
>
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> *Sent:* Thursday, August 8, 2013 11:15 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer
>
> If there is a paypal address that donations may be made to and passed to
> her, let me know and I will try to do some networking on FB.  I can also
> post a physical address that checks or gift cards can be mailed to if she
> doesn't mind that being out there (would need her full name, address, and
> someone's Paypal address for the first idea I mentioned, which I do think
> is most likely to draw contributions since then people can stop right there
> and contribute online before they forget).
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Lee Evans  wrote:
>
> Yes, I have gone online (she has no computer, can't afford to buy one) and
> looked into the Pet Food Stamps program but since Karen has a job and is
> single she is not eligible. I seems like you have to be totally down and
> out to get any help, especially for animals. I can't get Medicaid because I
> am regularly paying a mortgage on a house and I desperately need dental
> work. So there you have it. The great American dream for those of us who
> actually are doing the right thing has turned into a nightmare. Can anyone
> help Karen with a donation of a gift card from a pet food supply store?
> That way she could save some of her hard earned money to make a down
> payment on something that she can drive to work and to her cat colonies
> every day, like she used to. She had just paid off the car she had when the
> transmission cracked. She didn't have air conditioning either and the
> windows stopped functioning. Needed another car even before the
> transmission went belly up.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer

[Heather]

If there is a paypal address that donations may be made to and passed to
her, let me know and I will try to do some networking on FB.  I can also
post a physical address that checks or gift cards can be mailed to if she
doesn't mind that being out there (would need her full name, address, and
someone's Paypal address for the first idea I mentioned, which I do think
is most likely to draw contributions since then people can stop right there
and contribute online before they forget).

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Lee Evans  wrote:

> Yes, I have gone online (she has no computer, can't afford to buy one) and
> looked into the Pet Food Stamps program but since Karen has a job and is
> single she is not eligible. I seems like you have to be totally down and
> out to get any help, especially for animals. I can't get Medicaid because I
> am regularly paying a mortgage on a house and I desperately need dental
> work. So there you have it. The great American dream for those of us who
> actually are doing the right thing has turned into a nightmare. Can anyone
> help Karen with a donation of a gift card from a pet food supply store?
> That way she could save some of her hard earned money to make a down
> payment on something that she can drive to work and to her cat colonies
> every day, like she used to. She had just paid off the car she had when the
> transmission cracked. She didn't have air conditioning either and the
> windows stopped functioning. Needed another car even before the
> transmission went belly up.
>
> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
> neighbors too!
>
>
>   --
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Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer

[Heather]

I understand all too well.  I've been having great difficulty feeling very
alone in the daily commitment, let alone the financial side.

Is there a paypal address that can be shared publicly (like on facebook)
for donations?  It might help a little if there were a 501(c)3 rescue who
will allow donations to be sent to them, noted for Karen's work, that will
then purchase food for her (since people are often more inclined to donate
to 501(c)3.

If there is further contact info that can be shared on fb, let me know and
I will.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Lee Evans  wrote:

> Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately, Karen and I have both worked on this
> problem, I on the computer and Karen asking friends, rescuers and others
> for some help, mostly to no avail. The TNR group here is San Antonio Feral
> Cat Coalition. They do not have a shelter situation so get very little cat
> food donations. They have already contributed to her as much as they can
> but as I said, she has to feed these cats every day. She is getting free
> TNR certificates from Animal Care Services which is out local
> kill-everything shelter but the city came on board with kicking and
> screaming when we were trying to force the TNR idea into the animal laws.
> They finally accepted it when public opinion soared in favor and the local
> newspaper printed several articles in support and against what was taking
> place at the kill shelter (gas chamber). But that still leaves Karen
> without a car and without money to buy one if she doesn't get some
> donations to help with the cat food. It's not organizations I'm asking now,
> it's just individuals who can spare a few dollars to call in to Petsmart,
> Pet Supplies Plus and Petco to get her gift cards on file so she can
> purchase the cat food with at least a little help. She also has rent and
> utilities to pay, which is sucking money out of her paycheck and she is not
> eligible for any steady help from anywhere else because she has a job.
>
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> neighbors too!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer

[Heather]

I can sure empathize with your friend, my bf and I care for over 20
colonies.  The rescue bills over the years have taken any credit we can
find, we have no money for a home (health/dental etc) for ourselves, and
our daily lives completely hinge on the weather and our colonies, not to
mention work, TNR and the tons of rescue that goes with all of this.  We
just this week had a litter of kittens dumped at one of our spots (an
obvious dumping as opposed to "wandered up" kittens--all the cats are
fixed) with one kitten needing a blood transfusion, and already had several
kittens in rescue.

So I can absolutely relate...I'm not familliar with any Texas groups other
than ShadowCats, but hope perhaps there is a group that gets damaged goods
from grocery stores that could help with food?  We used to get that though
haven't in about a year, it was through a rescue group so I can't offer any
pointers on how to find that but it's certainly worth inquiring with any
group she can find.

If they have good low-cost TNR clinics there, she should check with them
and any shelters that support TNR and might have a food bank.  Our Humane
Society has a food bank for needy people with pets and will allow
caretakers in need to draw upon this a bit, if they have sufficient stock.

If I think of any ideas I will post, please let your friend know there are
others out there in similar dire straits--not much consolation, I know!

Thank you for trying to help her, I hope support is found.

Heather

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 1:36 AM, Lee Evans  wrote:

> This is probably not allowed on this list but I can't just stand by and
> see my friend Karen suffer. She has been feeding about 16 outdoor colonies.
> She watches over the health and welfare of these cats as if they were her
> own house cats. Recently, she has had a really bad run of luck. She rescued
> a cat who needed over $1,000 dollars in eye surgery. i have him now and the
> surgery saved his one remaining eye. Otherwise, he would have been a
> totally blind cat. She also rescued a cat who was bone thin and  combo
> tested positive for both FIV and FeLv cat. She spent several hundred
> dollars curing him of mange and anemia. I fostered the cat and he turned
> negative for FeLv. He's now in my FIV room with 4 other FIV+ cats. Karen
> has rescued and found homes for over a hundred hard case cats, including 3
> FeLv+ cats who did not turn. One of them is still alive and enjoying life
> as a healthy pampered puss with a lovely lady. The cat is over  6 years old
> now. Karen works an 8 hour a day job. The trouble is that she spends all
> her pay on feeding the colony cats and her three remaining indoor cats. She
> has spent over $1,000 for a cat she rescued and took into her own house and
> who after a year, developed a malignant tumor in her ear canal. The cat
> lived with it for several months, on medication and vitamins until she
> passed away suddenly one afternoon. And now, another disaster has hit my
> friend. He car died. She has been relying on friends and neighbors to get
> her to work but she is struggling with the cat colony feeding and is
> running out of money to feed them and even to buy her own food. She needs
> help and there is very little available in San Antonio where we both live.
> I am almost at the poverty level myself, with an online job that pays
> sporadically and two other jobs which are exhausting because they involve a
> lot of driving and delivering so I can't help Karen financially. I have
> over 3 dozen cats of my own to deal with. Karen spends more than $70 a week
> every week. At that rate she will never be able to replace her car, even
> with a junker.  Is there any help out there for Karen before she goes
> under? I was thinking that if people could donate pet food gift cards to
> her that would help alleviate some of the expense of feeding the colonies.
> One person has already done this by calling Petsmart and purchasing a gift
> card over the phone with his credit card. He then notified Karen that he
> had done this and the next time she went to the store, they told her she
> had a gift card credit. I think that all pet food stores have this system
> now. Anyway, if you are able to help, even a few dollars would be a
> blessing. I'm sorry to bother the list with this problem as we are all
> struggling with vet bills for our special needs cats but I am watching my
> friend get more and more depressed and desperate every day and I can't just
> stand by and do nothing. Lots of cats are depending on her for their very
> lives. Thanks for reading this long post. Contact me off list if you can
> help.
>
> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
> neighbors too!
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Re: [Felvtalk] A Tribute to Polli

[Heather]

Amanda,

Thank you for sharing this beautiful tribute to sweet Polli (there was a
character in the old cartoon Underdog named Sweet Polly).

I am so, so sorry your time with her was so short, thank you for making her
life so wonderful and full of love.

There really aren't words to express my sadness for you, but I will
remember Polli's story and will think of her often, what a very special
girl she obviously was.

My heart goes out to you at this very sad time.

Heather in Tampa

On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Amanda K. Payne wrote:

> It was just another hot August morning when our upstairs neighbors
> frantically called my boyfriend.  He went out to see what was wrong and
> came back, worried.  He told me I needed to come check something out.
> Concerned, I went into the foyer and frantically running around and mewing
> was a tiny gray and white kitten with huge white paws.
>
>
> That was the morning we first met Polli.  She was dirty, blanketed with
> fleas and had a terrible URI that had glued her little eyes shut.  Our
> neighbors couldn’t keep her due to a cat-aggressive dog and my boyfriend
> wasn’t a pet person who was absolutely against us having another cat.
> However, we live in a city with high kill shelters and there was no way
> this little cat would make it out alive.  Without a second thought, I
> rushed her into our home and called the local vet.  I promised my guy that
> once she recovered, I would find a new home for her.  Who knew that within
> those two weeks it took for her to become healthy and strong that she would
> have also stolen our hearts, officially making my boyfriend a “cat
> person.”  Or as he would say, “a Polli person.”
>
>
> Since August of 2012, we have been the lucky guardians of this sweet girl.
> Polli, named for her polydactyl paws and the gray dot on her pink nose that
> reminded us of the dot on a lower-case ‘i’, was like no other cat I have
> known.  As a friend once said, she has the sweetest soul of any creature he
> has ever met.  She rushed to greet whomever came to our home, spent
> countless hours sprawled out across my boyfriend’s chest and would wake me
> at 6:30 every morning by sweetly meeping at our bedroom door, waiting to
> come in to lay in my arms and chew on my hair before falling back asleep.
>
>
> Since her diagnosis in March, the little cat we love slowly faded. Even
> though the vet gave her just two weeks, she fought on for close to four
> months, earning her the nickname, “Tiny Brawler”.  During those months, we
> let our hearts spill forth and gave her so much love and affection. Windows
> were left open for her to rest in, plates full of treats and wet food were
> always present and not a day went by that we didn’t kiss her little head
> and tell her what a wonderful cat she was. Her strong will to live and give
> love was no match for the terrible ways FeLV ravaged her body.  We wanted
> her to leave this earth knowing love and comfort and assisted her passing
> this afternoon.  Her spirit left this earth as her body laid in one of her
> favorite spots in our kitchen with both my guy and I petting and kissing
> her.
>
>
> Her life, though short, was filled with love, a full belly and warm home
> that will feel empty without her.  To my sweet Polli, may your spirit soar
> high with birds and find its place at the Rainbow Bridge. You will be
> forever missed and loved by so many people, especially Austin and I.
>
> -Amanda
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Re: [Felvtalk] Ember

[Heather]

Sending good thoughts to Ember and to you.  My Shiiva (not felv+) is just
turning 18 and I know we are at the end of her 2+ year battle with tracheal
cancer--however, the past 2+ years have been a pure miracle since we
initially nearly lost her to the cancer in November of 2013, and there is
very little data on cats with this sort of cancer being successfully
treated.

A couple of small things that of course won't cure cancer, but I think have
helped her appetite and keeping her feeling well are B-12 shots & fluids
weekly.  There is a supplement often mentioned on the Feline Cancer group
called ES Clear, it was available on the Pet Wellbeing site but I don't see
it available now, though there is another product:
http://www.petwellbeing.com/products/cat-cancer#ingredients

We like to sometimes take the juice from Fancy Feast Fish & Shrimp feast
and add it to other foods to make them extra tasty.

Best wishes,

Heather

On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Lance  wrote:

>  I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki
> Cat has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her
> a 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of
> food as she'll eat.
>
>  On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi 
> wrote:
>
>   Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a
> little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

[Heather]

This just happened not far from us, our cat community is very upset and the
person removed the tip of the arrow to avoid identification.
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/19661631/2012/09/27/cat-shot-with-arrow-recovering#.UGWrSCitdWc.facebook

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Lorrie  wrote:

> Bow hunting is CRUEL. It often leaves the poor animal in agony and it dies
> a
> slow painful death.  We had a buck dying in our yard last winter, and we
> had
> to call for someone to put it out of it's misery.  It was horrible and I
> was
> upset for weeks. I still can't stand to think about it.
>
> Hunters don't kill only for food. They also take the very best bucks who
> should be left to reproduce. I am so sick of hearing jerks say they are
> killing deer to keep them from starving.  BS. They kill for fun!
>
> On 10-02, Joslin Potter wrote:
> >I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting
> >season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now?
> >To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer,
> and
> >the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the
> >wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a
> >healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to
> >enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie?
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Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight

[Heather]

Hi,

My bf and I feed around 140 cats in 20+ spots (colonies) each day.  Unless
they are adoptable and you find homes, or work with a rescue to find homes,
their only option is basically death (which is what will most likely happen
if taken to a shelter).  Sadly so many very adoptable cats are euthanized
due to the lack of homes each day.   I have been doing this 8 years
now...it really is a lifetime commitment (as far as the cats' lifetime
goes, anyway), unless you find someone else willing to get involved or take
over.  Unless the cats are friendly/adoptable, I would caution you not to
raise any attention to them such as the media...if unadoptable the best
thing that you can do is ensure they are spayed/neutered, vaccinated & ear
tipped and tend to any medical needs that may arise, in which case you
might need help or advise. Alley Cat Allies website is a great info
resource, and also has "feral friends" by area, they might be able to put
you in touch with someone if there is anyone in your area who has
registered as a contact.   There is also a great Feral Cats yahoo group
where you can get a lot of great input.

Ensuring they are all spayed/neutered is the most important part here, or
there will be more cats with the same "plight".

  I hope you can find someone to assist during your recovery, and that your
surgery goes well--thank you for caring for these cats!  If you can't find
anyone to help feed, you could certainly try contacting rescue groups to
see if anyone nearby can help while you are recovering.

Heather
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 4:02 PM, dot winkler  wrote:

> Hi.  I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went
> thru - I didn't see any replies.
> I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat
> feeding.  I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now.
> I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks
> and will have a very difficult postop recovery.  I have no-one else to feed
> the cats.  I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously
> the newspaper to expose their plight.  Perhaps some can be adopted, if a
> facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the
> newspaper.  I also could try to help in the adoption process.  ALSO, my
> other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats?  I
> am thinking this cannot go on forever.  Where do I find people to help me
> out with it, if I can't find adoptions?  Any input on this, would be great.
>  Thanks
>
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> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites?
>
> I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other
> conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze
> it for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this
> year we lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted
> fluid from the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high
> protein content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so
> concluded that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was
> greenish_his sister also got a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical;
> yellow viscous fluid, no cancer.
> I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten
>
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> *To:* Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites?
>
> My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell
> me it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV?
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV and oral cancer

[Heather]

PS:   Oral SCC would be a useful term to search on this type of cancer.

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Heather  wrote:

> Hi Amy,
>
> I'm really sorry to hear what all you have been through.
>
> We have had 3 cases of oral cancer (squamous cell carcinoma).  It is
> ruthless and horrible.  My understanding is that it can be tough to
> distinguish between the oral tumors and other oral/dental problems
> sometimes until the tumor becomes so visible/obvious it is already very
> advanced (which was the case with all 3 of ours, they were not cats living
> with us so not quite exact situation you have--just let me know if you'd
> like more info though).  My understanding is also that there is not much
> you can do treatment wise for such a cancer (though I think I have
> heard there may be some cases where they can remove part of the jaw if
> applicable).
>
> There have been many cases of this type of cancer on the Feline Cancer
> group, I's suggest posting there.
> http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-cancer/   There was one person
> (search Jen & Ski) who used Neoplasense and did as much for her kitty as
> possible, from what I've heard keeping them comfortable is the main
> objective since there is not a lot (to my knowledge) that you can do
> treatment wise.
>
> I wish you and your kitty the best, and really appreciate you caring about
> her so much.  I hope by chance this is not what you are dealing with, and
> that if you are you can find some helpful information and experience on
> this or the cancer group that might help you.
>
> Heather
>
>  On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Amy  wrote:
>
>>   I know this isn't an FIV group but I thought I might be able to find
>> some helpful info.  I have two cats that have leukemia and I've been
>> through lymphoma and cancer with several of the positives.  This time it is
>> my FIV+ that is having trouble.  About a month ago, we noticed a large
>> swelling on the side of her face.  We took her to the vet and she had a bad
>> tooth which started bleeding when the doctor touched it.  My vet, who I
>> adore and who has never steered me wrong over all the years of my leuk
>> positives, recommended I put her on antibiotics and bring her back to have
>> the tooth removed.  We did that and she had 4 extractions.  She had
>> bloodwork and testing prior to surgery and everything was beautiful.  No
>> signs of anything but a dental abscess.
>>
>> Following the surgery, the swelling on her face was not going away.  She
>> has been on very strong antibiotics (trying different kinds and multiple
>> ones together) and yet the mass continues to grow.  My vet started by
>> saying she was concerned we might be dealing with cancer.  At this point,
>> she is fully convinced there is a tumor growing in there.  For all my other
>> cats, I have pursued test after test trying to save them.  I've done chemo,
>> I've gone to Cornell University trying to save some of them, but ultimately
>> the cancer always seems to win.  So my vet said I could let her be or I
>> could put her under and do dental x-rays and a biopsy.  Her socket has not
>> even healed from her dental and my vet said she personally probably
>> wouldn't put her through the biopsy as we are either dealing with infection
>> or cancer and we are both confident this is not infection.  Has anybody
>> else ever been through something like this?  I don't want to put her
>> through any more sedation, testing, etc. if her days are numbered but I
>> also wonder if I could be missing something.  My vet gave me this kitty and
>> she loves her like her own kitty so I'm leaning towards following her
>> advice.  I just always thought my FIV+ kitty might live a long, normal life
>> and am so bummed to be possibly dealing with cancer yet again.  Would love
>> to hear about anybody else that has been through oral cancer as this is one
>> cancer that I haven't been through before.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Amy
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV and oral cancer

[Heather]

Hi Amy,

I'm really sorry to hear what all you have been through.

We have had 3 cases of oral cancer (squamous cell carcinoma).  It is
ruthless and horrible.  My understanding is that it can be tough to
distinguish between the oral tumors and other oral/dental problems
sometimes until the tumor becomes so visible/obvious it is already very
advanced (which was the case with all 3 of ours, they were not cats living
with us so not quite exact situation you have--just let me know if you'd
like more info though).  My understanding is also that there is not much
you can do treatment wise for such a cancer (though I think I have
heard there may be some cases where they can remove part of the jaw if
applicable).

There have been many cases of this type of cancer on the Feline Cancer
group, I's suggest posting there.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-cancer/   There was one person
(search Jen & Ski) who used Neoplasense and did as much for her kitty as
possible, from what I've heard keeping them comfortable is the main
objective since there is not a lot (to my knowledge) that you can do
treatment wise.

I wish you and your kitty the best, and really appreciate you caring about
her so much.  I hope by chance this is not what you are dealing with, and
that if you are you can find some helpful information and experience on
this or the cancer group that might help you.

Heather

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Amy  wrote:

>  I know this isn't an FIV group but I thought I might be able to find
> some helpful info.  I have two cats that have leukemia and I've been
> through lymphoma and cancer with several of the positives.  This time it is
> my FIV+ that is having trouble.  About a month ago, we noticed a large
> swelling on the side of her face.  We took her to the vet and she had a bad
> tooth which started bleeding when the doctor touched it.  My vet, who I
> adore and who has never steered me wrong over all the years of my leuk
> positives, recommended I put her on antibiotics and bring her back to have
> the tooth removed.  We did that and she had 4 extractions.  She had
> bloodwork and testing prior to surgery and everything was beautiful.  No
> signs of anything but a dental abscess.
>
> Following the surgery, the swelling on her face was not going away.  She
> has been on very strong antibiotics (trying different kinds and multiple
> ones together) and yet the mass continues to grow.  My vet started by
> saying she was concerned we might be dealing with cancer.  At this point,
> she is fully convinced there is a tumor growing in there.  For all my other
> cats, I have pursued test after test trying to save them.  I've done chemo,
> I've gone to Cornell University trying to save some of them, but ultimately
> the cancer always seems to win.  So my vet said I could let her be or I
> could put her under and do dental x-rays and a biopsy.  Her socket has not
> even healed from her dental and my vet said she personally probably
> wouldn't put her through the biopsy as we are either dealing with infection
> or cancer and we are both confident this is not infection.  Has anybody
> else ever been through something like this?  I don't want to put her
> through any more sedation, testing, etc. if her days are numbered but I
> also wonder if I could be missing something.  My vet gave me this kitty and
> she loves her like her own kitty so I'm leaning towards following her
> advice.  I just always thought my FIV+ kitty might live a long, normal life
> and am so bummed to be possibly dealing with cancer yet again.  Would love
> to hear about anybody else that has been through oral cancer as this is one
> cancer that I haven't been through before.
>
> Thanks
> Amy
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Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

[Heather]

I hated to but was just about to reply suggesting that as a possibility as
wellI am so sorry that you are dealing with FELV let alone having to
consider FIP.   We lost the kitty we consider our first real rescue
(adopted out to a friend) to FIP, she was the happiest, healthiest seeming
kitty you could imagine, it broke our hearts for sure.

Thank you for loving this little girl, please keep us posted.  There is a
FIP group, I am on it, here is a link:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FIP/

Please know that many thoughts are with you!

Heather



On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 8:08 AM, molvey...@hotmail.com <
molvey...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I hate to say it but I have a feeling it's FIP.  I read a lot about it
> last night and she has a lot of the symptoms of the dry form.  I'll give a
> few more details later.  It breaks my heart.
>
>
> Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on AT&T
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Lorrie" 
> To: 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
> Date: Sat, Apr 28, 2012 5:35 pm
>
>
> I've had several FelV positive kittens who have been exactly like
> this..Less playful than others their age, and finally wobbly
> in the back legs then complete loss of the use of the back legs.
>
> Lorrie
>
>
> On 04-28, molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >I  have  a  FeLV kitten that I'm fostering.  She's six or seven months
> >old.   She's the one I emailed about a couple months ago with uveitis.
> > The  uveitis  never  has completely cleared up.  But now I'm not sure
> >what's  going  on.   Her  back  legs are kind of wobbly.  It's not bad
> >enough  that  my husband has noticed yet, but I can see it.  It's like
> >she's  slightly drunk.  She's walking okay with the front legs but her
> >back  legs  give  way a little or something when she's walking.  She's
> >eating  and going to the bathroom.  She doesn't run around and play as
> >much  as  the  other cats do, but never really has.  She's just a real
> >mellow and loving kitten and I just thought that must be why she's not
> >as  playful.   I'm not sure though.  She's not growing a lot too.  The
> >other kitten her age, not related, has grown much faster than she has.
> >So  any  ideas?  Why do you guys think she's started getting wobbly in
> >the back legs.  She can still jump on things but not as sure-footed as
> >the  others.  I don't know if her muscles are getting weak or if she's
> >anemic or what.  A couple months ago her bloodwork at the vet's office
> >was  okay.   I  assume this is FeLV related but before I go to the vet
> >I'd like to be prepared and have some ideas of what's going on.
> >Maureen
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Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list again

[Heather Clark]

Got it

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 1:29 AM,   wrote:
> Got it...
>
> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
> Sultan, WA. 98294
> Terrie Mohr-Forker
> http://tazzys.org/
> Non-Profit national rescue
> Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
>
>
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>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Testing the list again
> From: "James G Wilson" 
> Date: Mon, April 16, 2012 7:43 pm
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>
> Hey all,
>
> Let me know if you get this message. I think there are still
> some problems with the list. Haven't received any mail
> since the host said they fixed the problem. Sorry for the
> inconvenience. Best.
>
> James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net
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Re: [Felvtalk] NYC: pathetic maybe-FeLV needs foster/adopter

[Heather]

I saw this cat on the Pets on Death Row Facebook page--heartwrenching, no 
matter how little time he may have on this earth sure would be nice for it to 
end with love and not at that awful shelter. 

Scent from my wireless handheld litterbox =^..^=

On Apr 9, 2012, at 7:26 PM, MaryChristine  wrote:

> BY TONIGHT
> 
> this is a website for cats in the NYC pound system, which is an absolutely 
> horrible place. anyone who isn't sick when they get there will be. there's 
> question about how much of that is the sheer number of critters who pass 
> through the doors, and how much is really bad management and use of resources.
> 
> every day around 6pm EDT, they post the cats who are marked for death the 
> next day--the shelters are open to serious adopters phone calls til 8pm; they 
> start euthing at 6am the following day.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/nycurgentcats 
> 
> the guy we're working on is the second one from the left--if you scroll down 
> a bit, you'll see his biography; his name is patrick.
> 
> the problem with these cats is that no rescue will pull them without having a 
> definite, approved foster/adopter
> 
> the website has more info than i do.
> 
> MC
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> Maybe That'll Make The Difference
> 
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> Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
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Re: [Felvtalk] mssr. phelps

[Heather]

I don't know if this will help the sarcoma, but am guessing they were
referring to what is called Black Salve Neoplasene.

There is a yahoo group for Neoplasene use in pets, and also a very
wonderful  Feline Cancer group.  I would definitely suggest the Feline
Cancer group regardless of your interest in the Neoplasene, perhaps someone
has experience with a similar cancer.  And I would suggest researching the
salve thoroughly, I don't know much about it but sounds like it can be
extremely painful in some cases.

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-cancer/
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheBlackSalveNeoplaseneCancerForum/

Good luck to Ms Phelps and to you!

Heather

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:43 PM,  wrote:

> **
>   I have mss phelps who is FIV/FELV.  All of a sudden,he got a huge lump
> on the side of his neck.  I immed took him to vet where they did a biopsy.
> This a.m. I called and they said it is sarcoma.  someone told me about some
> black paste I can use on it.  can anyone in this group steer me in the
> right direction.  thank you.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bounces

[Heather]

Yes I got one of those too.  I'd had a couple bounce so thought it was
legit but hadn't had time to re-read/click..hm, anyone know if it's legit?
Kinda seemed to be but what do I know:)

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Lorrie  wrote:

> On 03-11, Sally Davis wrote:
> >Did  anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are
> >bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link .
> >James I am still here.
> >Sally Davis
>
> YES,  I did and it was most upsetting I never have bounced mail, as I
> keep my posts short and I trim former messages. I wrote back right
> to the owner right away, and still don't know if I'm being dumped!
>
> Did anyone else get this ???
>
> Lorrie
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Re: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :(

[Heather]

Me too Sherry.  I know I have said this before but I just am always so
touched by how in just a few sentences you capture so much of the
personality (and everyone's love and appreciation of) a certain kitty's
essence, that it actually creates an image.  And the names are just always
so unique and fitting...full of the love and dedication you all obviously
pour into knowing and caring for each kitty.

I am so sorry, and also so glad they have you.  Peace to S'Matter & to you
all.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Edna Taylor  wrote:

>  I am sorry for your loss :(
>
>  --
> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:30:16 -0800
> From: sherryd...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :(
>
>
>   This morning we lost sweet scared S'Matterhe was quite the scaredy
> cat,but we did our best to calm his fears...he never really trusted us
> totally,but when I handed out treats I spotted him out of his hiding spot
> in the last couple monthstook pics to prove to others that he was
> a little braverwell I hope this wide eyed boy is calm and relaxed
> nowwe will miss you S'Matter  :(
> Sherry
>
> *"We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary*
> *than our own,*
> *Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.*
> *Unable to accept its awful gaps.*
> *We still would have it no other way"*
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: TNR

[Heather]

Yeah, it's a catch-22, the elements are much kinder to the cats here...and
thus we have many more cats with year round reproduction...kitten season
never really ends here, though it does slow down considerably and when it
hits--it's like kitten hurricane season.   Worried about this one as we had
an extremely mild winter, shelters are already filling up with kittens and
nursing mamas[?]

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:40 PM, GRAS  wrote:

>  At least the cat colonies don’t have to freeze in the winter in FL like
> they do elsewhere…
>
> Most TNR groups that I know of in this area don’t tests at all.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
> felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Heather
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2012 1:27 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Fwd: TNR
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: *Heather* 
> Date: Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 1:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>
> 
>
> Definitely not to argue, but to provide some perspective on high volume
> TNR and the ACA (and Neighborhood Cats) stance on routine testing of TNR
> ferals...
>
>  
>
> While millions of cats are of course killed in shelters each year
> nationally, the free roaming cat population on the streets may differ
> vastly geographically.  In my city (Tampa), there are hundreds of thousands
> of feral cats.   There are several of us constantly practicing TNR on the
> "population at large" (or colonies where the feeders are not fixing--a huge
> sore spot with us, too), meaning trapping pretty much every week, sometimes
> more than once a week, cats who are not at our own colonies.  Some of my
> friends trap anywhere from 10 - 50 cats per week for TNR (and of course
> kittens and such are rescued as much as space/socialization/fosters permit,
> sick cats treated, etc.)  Routine TNR's--not being rescued for adoption or
> not being addressed/treated for illness are not tested.   If we tested
> every cat, we could only spay/neuter/vaccinate a fraction of the cats.
> There would be far more (exponentially, we all know how cats can
> reproduce--here it's hot and a mama will have 3 litters a year) cats
> breeding, spreading illness.  There would be more negative AND more
> positive cats, and therefore since unfixed, also more positive (and
> negative) kittens being born on the streets.   In our city, we are serving
> the greater good by fixing as many as possible.   Since we all also do a
> lot of rescue, pulling friendlies/dumped cats, or cats to be treated for
> illness, from colonies, I can say we run into FELV fairly seldomly.
> Despite my own very high # of colonies, in addition to helping people
> rescue and fix cats all over, I have run into FELV the most of anyone I
> know and it's really just been in two areas, close in proximity, where the
> feeders are NOT fixing the cats.  Disease definititely seems to proliferate
> where the cats are unsterilized, though of course I realize it spreads in
> other ways besides reproducing. 
>
>  
>
> As TNR has steadily increased in our county, the # of cats euthanized at
> our county AS has steadily declined--I can share a graph if anyone is
> interested, the results are absolutely amazing and pretty much in direct
> proportion in terms of euth decrease/TNR increase.   Several years ago
> 16K-18K cats were killed per year at this county shelter; now it is down to
> around 9K.
>
>  
>
> Even our own local Humane Society--which has the most awesome s/n/TNR
> clinic, but was very firm on testing for years, finally conceded with the
> ACA/Neighborhood Cats stance that, on routine TNR's not showing signs of
> illness, the resources are best spent in sterilizing more cats than on
> testing.  They do sometimes call us while assessing/operating and say they
> feel a particular cat needs to be tested.  They are elated by the decrease
> in shelter euthanasia as well.
>
>  
>
> I have no qualms returning an FIV+ cat to a safe area with a good
> caretaker, I had one FIV+ female who lived to be 14 outside until we
> brought her in to live her last 9 months due to geriatric issues.  Granted,
> this was on a university campus where we often have cats live to be over 10
> years old (just a little different environment from the true streets such
> as fast food joints, etc.).
>
>  
>
> I hope me providing this perspective isn't resented--again, it's not
> intended to argue, just some comments to explain why many embrace the ACA
> perspective on not testing routine TNR's
>
>  
>
> 

[Felvtalk] Fwd: TNR

[Heather]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Heather 
Date: Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


Definitely not to argue, but to provide some perspective on high volume TNR
and the ACA (and Neighborhood Cats) stance on routine testing of TNR
ferals...

While millions of cats are of course killed in shelters each year
nationally, the free roaming cat population on the streets may differ
vastly geographically.  In my city (Tampa), there are hundreds of thousands
of feral cats.   There are several of us constantly practicing TNR on the
"population at large" (or colonies where the feeders are not fixing--a huge
sore spot with us, too), meaning trapping pretty much every week, sometimes
more than once a week, cats who are not at our own colonies.  Some of my
friends trap anywhere from 10 - 50 cats per week for TNR (and of course
kittens and such are rescued as much as space/socialization/fosters permit,
sick cats treated, etc.)  Routine TNR's--not being rescued for adoption or
not being addressed/treated for illness are not tested.   If we tested
every cat, we could only spay/neuter/vaccinate a fraction of the cats.
There would be far more (exponentially, we all know how cats can
reproduce--here it's hot and a mama will have 3 litters a year) cats
breeding, spreading illness.  There would be more negative AND more
positive cats, and therefore since unfixed, also more positive (and
negative) kittens being born on the streets.   In our city, we are serving
the greater good by fixing as many as possible.   Since we all also do a
lot of rescue, pulling friendlies/dumped cats, or cats to be treated for
illness, from colonies, I can say we run into FELV fairly seldomly.
Despite my own very high # of colonies, in addition to helping people
rescue and fix cats all over, I have run into FELV the most of anyone I
know and it's really just been in two areas, close in proximity, where the
feeders are NOT fixing the cats.  Disease definititely seems to proliferate
where the cats are unsterilized, though of course I realize it spreads in
other ways besides reproducing.

As TNR has steadily increased in our county, the # of cats euthanized at
our county AS has steadily declined--I can share a graph if anyone is
interested, the results are absolutely amazing and pretty much in direct
proportion in terms of euth decrease/TNR increase.   Several years ago
16K-18K cats were killed per year at this county shelter; now it is down to
around 9K.

Even our own local Humane Society--which has the most awesome s/n/TNR
clinic, but was very firm on testing for years, finally conceded with the
ACA/Neighborhood Cats stance that, on routine TNR's not showing signs of
illness, the resources are best spent in sterilizing more cats than on
testing.  They do sometimes call us while assessing/operating and say they
feel a particular cat needs to be tested.  They are elated by the decrease
in shelter euthanasia as well.

I have no qualms returning an FIV+ cat to a safe area with a good
caretaker, I had one FIV+ female who lived to be 14 outside until we
brought her in to live her last 9 months due to geriatric issues.  Granted,
this was on a university campus where we often have cats live to be over 10
years old (just a little different environment from the true streets such
as fast food joints, etc.).

I hope me providing this perspective isn't resented--again, it's not
intended to argue, just some comments to explain why many embrace the ACA
perspective on not testing routine TNR's[?]

Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion and best practices for
what they are doing.  The overpopulation problem in Florida is insane, that
is one thing that goes without saying.

Thanks everyone for caring about cats!

Heather

  On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Beth  wrote:

>  I agree, FeLV should be put down or homed. I have returned FIV cats
> Unfortunately, Alley Cat Allies thinks they all should be returned & not
> even tested. The place I have gotten ferals fixed believes this & refuses
> to test ferals.
> Crazy.
>
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[Felvtalk] Fwd: caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

[Heather]

 My bf and I take care of over 140 feral/homeless cats on the streets
everyday (in over 20 different spots), 365 days a year for several years
now, they are spayed and neutered/vaccinated, treated for illnesses as much
as we are able (including going to far lengths both
medically/financially--when not unkind given their temprament, some are
friendly or close--and far lengths to trap them in drainpipes or wherever
they might be if they are ill and difficult to trap).  We have treated
colonies successfully for scabies both multiple cats at a time or
individual ones, we have a friendly feral in our bathroom right now
recovering (very well!) from liver disease.  We have brought in CRF cats to
live out their lives, unblocked ferals and continued them healthfully with
dietary management and supplements.

I live in Florida where fortunately, weather is pretty easy on the cats--it
is unfortunately also why there are so many feral cats down here, they can
reproduce year round due to the climate, and, the climate of course doesn't
"control" the population otherwise either.

I have known about Caboodle Ranch since 2007, back when there were far
fewer cats (150 or less I think) and many of my contacts went there with
good reports.  It seemed to me in the last couple of years from the things
I was hearing that there were problems.   Caboodle Ranch took in many feral
cats from situations/rescuers in Florida who's colonies were otherwise
facing death/extermination; they also took in many friendly pets from
people who, for whatever reason, were no longer 'able' (or willing, my
guess in most cases) to care for them.  To me, that would account for the
400 who the ASPCA says (probably correct) were dying for attention and went
right into carriers.

I am not sticking up for Caboodle, nor the other side, but I would love for
even some sort of a misdemeanor neglect/cruelty/stupidity charge to be
brought on every person who dumped their friendly pet there, thinking that
for $150, they were going to get the love, attention and medical care
needed amongst hundreds of others that they themselves were apparently not
either willing or able to provide to them on a one-on-one (or two or ten--I
doutbt these people had 700 cats) basis.

It sucks that we rescuers are dealing with such large volumes and many life
and death choices.  Since the people on this group are people who chose
life for FELV+ cats (which even some rescuers might not), I would hope that
choosing to spay/neuter (TNR) and care for a feral cat for their life on
the streets would be an act that is respected (there are people who believe
that not euthanizing an FELV is cruel as well, unfortunately, or even
believe it's wrong for them to "take homes from healthy cats"--an opinion
that really bothers me). We are choosing life for these feral cats, making
their lives better, and ensuring they do not contribute to the
overpopulation problem. It is a lifetime commitment, some may not do a very
good job at it just like some owners do not.  We are making the best of a
bad situation, and actually doing something to fight the overpopulation
problem that results not only in so many living on or being born on the
streets, but then also ending up in shelters.  The way I see it you are
either part of the problem or part of the solution.  Whether you think
feral cats should live outdoors or not, spaying/neutering (TNR) serves to
reduce the number living on the streets.   Those practicing TNR are part of
the solution.   People who haul feral cats in to be killed at shelters, on
tax payer dollars, could instead be taking them to a spay/neuter clinic.

I have no idea what to make of the differing reports on Caboodle's status
in the time leading up to the raid, but I wish the people who dumped their
pets at a large scale sanctuary might have to justify their actions rather
than just shake their heads and say "but we gave him $150 and trusted
him".  It is sad for those who perhaps were dealing with serious illnesses
such as cancer, etc., but I'd be willing to bet a lot of those people were
just moving and not taking the cats with them.



>  **
>
> *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
> felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Marta Gasper
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 06, 2012 10:26 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links**
> **
>
> ** **
>
> < there were feeders? (I'm not one of them, but consider that, before
> condemning the guy.)>>
>
>  
>
> You mean the policy of returning cats to a feral colony if the colony has
> a feeder?..how that fits into this situation? TNR is for ferals not
> housecats.
>
> Though in some cases_such as mine I trap cats on the loose, ferals or not.
> If feral they go to a feral colony, if not I try to find owner, education
> goes so far, most people will want to keep the cat in/out but at least the
> cat is neutered now and won't be making more. If possibl

[Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch link

[Heather]

I'm just posting this link in case anyone is interested in hearing the
"other side" of the story--I am not trying to take either side but thought
this may be of interest to some.

I can't say which side is right--my guess would be neither and that the
truth lies somewhere in between, however, PETA is absolutely using this
case to try to fight the Florida Animal Rescue Act and for me, their
involvement really skews things.  Again though just posting since this case
has been discussed here.  Thanks!
http://caboodleranch.livejournal.com/43479.html
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Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort

[Heather]

I've seen a lot about the NY quick kill bill, Christiane--it is horrible,
so many pets may be euthanized on intake before anyone has a chance to look
for them.The rest of the country (well, some of it) is moving toward
recognizing TNR and "feral freedom", but this bill will put NY in
reverse.   It is very sad.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Christiane Biagi wrote:

>  Most of the time these big raids end up in the lap of the local
> rescues/shelters.  Usually the big orgs like PETA, HSUS, ASPCA provide
> transportation to various rescues & shelters who then have responsibility
> for the animals.  
>
> ** **
>
> As far as the law referred to would only require that no animal in a
> shelter would be euthanized if a legitimate rescue is willing to take it.
> http://www.floridarescueact.com/ While local rescues are universally
> advocating for this bill, the big organizations are all against it.  In NY,
> my home state, ASPCA has spent millions pushing the “quick kill” bill which
> would, among other things, allow shelters to immediately kill any animal
> they deem to be under “psychological pain”
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
> felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth
> *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2012 11:39 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
> 
>
>   ** **
>
> PETA definitely does questionable things. What exactly does the bill do?**
> **
>
> I am glad that a very reputable Georgia rescue - Good Mews, is helping out
> with this. Unfortunately if they take animals it means more animals in GA
> will die. Lose-lose situation.
>
> ** **
>
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> ***
>
>  
>
> ** **
>   --
>
> *From:* Heather 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Friday, March 2, 2012 11:13 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
> 
>
> ** **
>
> What is upsetting to me as well about PETA's involvement, is that  they
> sent out an email about Caboodle, then at the end used the situation to
> call for withdrawl of the proposed FL Animal Rescue Act.
>
>  
>
> This bill is very important in the minds of all FL rescue people that I
> know of--I am in FL and very involved with rescue--and now PETA is saying
> this will enable places like Caboodle to pull animals from shelters.  So
> now all sorts of people who are not involved in rescue and have no
> familiarity with the bill probably think it is horrible and will be
> speaking out against it (there was a link to contact FL legislators), at
> the time when it needs all the support it can get.
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:31 PM,  wrote:
>
> I agree.  PETA does not have too good a record themselves.  This man
> simply got in over his head and did not know how to solve the problem.  I
> also agree about those who tortue.  There was a man in the St. Louis area
> who adopted puppies and kittens and then trtured them to death.  He kept
> them alive as long as possible so he could enjoy their sufering.  If I had
> my way, this man would have been shot on site.  I was called for jury duty
> on an animal cruelty case.  They asked me if I had an opinion on the case.
>  I said shot the sob.  They didn't call me for that jury.
>
>
>  GRAS  wrote:
> > When I first saw a video about this ranch a few years ago, I wondered how
> > anyone could possible keep track of and care for so many cats, especially
> > when there's absolutely no control over them, in all those little houses
> (no
> > matter how cute they are), no central feeding place, etc. I am not really
> > surprised!  However, the fact that PETA is involved, worries me a
> bit..for
> > several reasons. Natalie
> >
> >
> >
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
> > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:51 AM
> > To: FeLV Talk
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/good-mews-assists-aspca-in-rescue-of
> > -600-cats#photo-9221699
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort

[Heather]

What is upsetting to me as well about PETA's involvement, is that  they
sent out an email about Caboodle, then at the end used the situation to
call for withdrawl of the proposed FL Animal Rescue Act.

This bill is very important in the minds of all FL rescue people that I
know of--I am in FL and very involved with rescue--and now PETA is saying
this will enable places like Caboodle to pull animals from shelters.  So
now all sorts of people who are not involved in rescue and have no
familiarity with the bill probably think it is horrible and will be
speaking out against it (there was a link to contact FL legislators), at
the time when it needs all the support it can get.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:31 PM,  wrote:

> I agree.  PETA does not have too good a record themselves.  This man
> simply got in over his head and did not know how to solve the problem.  I
> also agree about those who tortue.  There was a man in the St. Louis area
> who adopted puppies and kittens and then trtured them to death.  He kept
> them alive as long as possible so he could enjoy their sufering.  If I had
> my way, this man would have been shot on site.  I was called for jury duty
> on an animal cruelty case.  They asked me if I had an opinion on the case.
>  I said shot the sob.  They didn't call me for that jury.
>
>
>  GRAS  wrote:
> > When I first saw a video about this ranch a few years ago, I wondered how
> > anyone could possible keep track of and care for so many cats, especially
> > when there's absolutely no control over them, in all those little houses
> (no
> > matter how cute they are), no central feeding place, etc. I am not really
> > surprised!  However, the fact that PETA is involved, worries me a
> bit..for
> > several reasons. Natalie
> >
> >
> >
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
> > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:51 AM
> > To: FeLV Talk
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/good-mews-assists-aspca-in-rescue-of
> > -600-cats#photo-9221699
> >
> >
> >
> > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Image removed by sender. 
> > www.Furkids.org
> > 
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort

[Heather]

One of the related, inner struggles I have with such cases are, the cruelty
charges made to those with "good intentions" (which I do believe existed
here) will likely stick, yet every day sick individuals who purposely
torture and maim cats and dogs get off very easily even with much
evidence.  I read one case recently of a man in California who was caught
torturing then consuming stray cats, supposedly he was even witnessed
skinning one alive (and other horrible acts), and he got a bit of community
service, probation and a fine under $500.  This happens all the time.
Perhaps the discrepancy is solely in evidence, witnesses and the legal
process, but it seems to me that hoarders are penalized more stringently
than flat out torturers who commit such acts willingly, not because they
got in over their heads.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Beth  wrote:

>
> http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/good-mews-assists-aspca-in-rescue-of-600-cats#photo-9221699
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Black salve

[Heather]

If anyone is interested in learning more about the black salve, there is a
yahoo group for black salve neoplasene.

It also has been discussed a bit on the Feline Cancer group by a few who
have used it.

I have no experience--just mentioning in case anyone is interested in
reading others experiences with it.

Best to all,

Heather

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Lorrie  wrote:

> I have my doubts about this black salve too. If it is that much of
> a miracle salve vets would surely be using it. I fear this is just
> another quack making money on desperate people who want to save their
> pets.  Human cancer victims fall for these things all the time, and
> it is unbelievably cruel to take money from people and give them
> false hope.
>
> Lorrie  (aka older and wiser)
>
> On 02-19, Ruth Parsons wrote:
> >Hi
> >
> >I  appreciate  all  the  info  on FELV this group provides. I research
> >treatments  suggested  and  look  for a variety of reliable sources to
> >help me care for our cat, who is presently thriving despite 2 positive
> >tests.  The  recent  postings  regarding "black salve" and Deva Khalsa
> >gave  me some concern. The links below, and others, raise issues about
> >this product and the products promoted by this person. Just FYI.
> >1. [1]http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/eschar
> .
> >html
> >
> >2.
> >[2]
> http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2010/07/double-helix-water-more-magic-wate
> >r-quackery/
> >
> > References
> >
> >1.
> http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/eschar.html
> >2.
> http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2010/07/double-helix-water-more-magic-water-quackery/
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Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent Advice Needed

[Heather]

Can u contact rescues around you to try to find some doxy?  Most I know usually 
have it on hand. Very sorry to hear about Kiss:(

Scent from my wireless handheld litterbox =^..^=

On Feb 10, 2012, at 9:36 PM, Beth  wrote:

> So sorry to hear about Kiss. Poor baby.
> Are sure he had Hemobartonella? Doxy would have been the treament. I had a 
> non FeLV cat who had it.
> So sad.
> Beth
> 
> dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
> 
>> If you have any question about the antibotic and cannot get a reasonable 
>> answer from him soon, I would go for a 2nd opinion.  Do yo have a 24 hour 
>> emergency vet near you?  I can get to one i about 1 hour and they have a 
>> very up to date set up with ultrasound and the works.  
>>  Amanda Vollaro  wrote: 
>>> I am sad to say that Kiss (FeLV + Blood parasite boy) did not make it. He 
>>> hung on for three days and fought like the dickens but could not shake it. 
>>> 
>>> What I need to know is why my vet prescribed azithromyicin and clavamox for 
>>> the parasite when doxycycline is the only proven treatment. I cannot get 
>>> him on the phone as he is in surgery, and I have another cat who has 
>>> stopped eating and is lethargic. I need her to get the appropriate 
>>> treatment quickly, she is the mother of most of our brood and is very 
>>> special to us. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Amanda Vollaro
>>> avoll...@optonline.net
>>> 516-350-0131
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charlie,Whispy and Bubba Please add to the CLS :(

[Heather Clark]

so sorry for your loss, Sherry

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Sherry DeHaan  wrote:

> All three of these wonderful FORMER Sids kids had the joy of having
> wonderful homes
> Charlie was a sweet loving gray boy who had a great home with one of our
> volunteers Marcia who also had Whispy for a short time.Whispy passed today
> on Marcias birthday:(
> Charlie passed 2 days ago.
> Then Bubba,I remember meeting him when I first started volunteering at
> Sids,a beautiful white boy with one yellow eye and one green eye. Bubba had
> a loving home with Julie another one of our awesome volunteers for almost 6
> years.What a sad week for so many
> Sherry
>
> *"We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary*
> *than our own,*
> *Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.*
> *Unable to accept its awful gaps.*
> *We still would have it no other way"*
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lila Rose and Roxxi Please add to the CLS :(

[Heather Clark]

So sorry for your loss.  My heart goes out to you.

Sent from my VZW 4G LTE Revolution at blazing fast speed
On Nov 13, 2011 7:16 PM, "Sherry DeHaan"  wrote:

> We lost these two Sids girls in the last several days.
> Lila Rose was a shy scared girl that was only with us for just a few
> months.
> Roxxi was a beautiful Torti girl who was very quiet and sweet.I had the
> honor of loving her for just over 3 years. I was broken hearted over these
> two lovely ladies.   :(
> Sherry
> *"We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary*
> *than our own,*
> *Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.*
> *Unable to accept its awful gaps.*
> *We still would have it no other way"*
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Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone in CA know of someone to take FeLV kitten?

[Heather]

I sure hope she might retest first, so many false positives these days it
seems...

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Natalie  wrote:

>  Can anyone help?  Natalie 
>
> ** **
>
> sus...@bannermattress.net writes:
>
> I found a stray kitten at work last week. I took her to my vet this
> Saturday and she tested positive for feline leukemia. I already have two
> kittens, 7 months and 3 months old, so there is no possibility for "Rockie"
> to join my household. I have heard that there are people who keep or foster
> cats with leukemia. Do you know of anyone who does this?
>
> She is a friendly, sweet, delightful little tortie who gets along
> wonderfully with my two dogs. She is approximately 7 weeks old and weighs in
> at a whopping 1.11 lbs.
>
> Thanks for any help you can provide.
>
> Susan Macias
>
> (909) 730-9762
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle....

[Heather]

Hilarious!!!

Scent from my wireless handheld litterbox =^..^=

On Aug 26, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Natalie  wrote:

> A Trip to Costco 
> 
> Yesterday I was at my local COSTCO buying a large bag of Purina dog chow for 
> my loyal pet, Jake, the Wonder Dog and was in the check-out line when a woman 
> behind me asked if I had a dog. What did she think I had, an elephant? So 
> since I'm retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I 
> didn't have a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again. I added that I 
> probably shouldn't, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that 
> I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes 
> coming out of most of my orifices and IVs in both arms. 
> 
> I told her that it was essentially a Perfect Diet and that the way that it 
> works is, to load your pants pockets with Purina Nuggets and simply eat one 
> or two every time you feel hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so it 
> works well and I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that 
> practically everyone in line was now enthralled with my story.) Horrified, 
> she asked if I ended up in intensive care, because the dog food poisoned me.  
> I told her no, I stepped off a curb to sniff a poodle's ass and a car hit me. 
> 
> I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was laughing 
> so hard. 
> 
> Costco won't let me shop there anymore. 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

[Heather]

Yep my thoughts exactly, there just is no end to the weird situations that
come up. Had one where the chip contact info was all outdated (phones didn't
work, moved, etc.), kept doing internet searches & Yahoo suggested a
different spelling of the last name--name had been spelled incorrectly on
the chip records.  Still were skeptical as the cat was found at a very
obvious/common dumping spot, but turned out the chip info was from the
original owner (just last name spelled wrong but I located once Yahoo
figured that part out) who had adopted the cat to a friend a year
prior...friend dumped the cat, to the original owner's shock (and showed no
remorse when contacted)...orig. owner felt horrible and took the kitty back.

Have had more than one where I was only able to find the owner, in
situations where it was a very, very old cat (18+, 2 cases like this) but
chip not registered/contact info not up to date, by asking the chip company
where the cat was chipped (unfortunately, the representatives don't always
offer this info up unless you ask but it can be the missing link) or by
guessing the family vet by the registered address & calling the vet who
either knew the cat or was able to look up the people's name.  Found 2
owners that way.

It sucks people don't keep chip info up to date but have seen every very
good homes go through divorce or other change and forget to do so.

I agree, sounds like this kitty has been on the streets a while, still best
to scan for chip & do homework just in case

And remember there is a "universal microchip lookup" website.   I have also
had chips we scanned ourselves, gave us the chip # and said "petlink" with a
ph# (or other company), that company had no record...but turned out people
registered with another company.

As a rescuer, I have been very frustrated by these experiences as it tells
me the average joe cat finder won't know/think to try all these things which
makes finding owners even harder...this happened to me once where the chip
info WAS up to date, but, registered to AKC and not coming up via other
searches (including the company/ph# that came up on the scanner when we
scanned the chip).

Sorry to go on, it's a peeve of mine:-)

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Christiane Biagi wrote:

>  I do lost/found work for a couple of shelters & you have no idea how far
> animals wander.  A chip got a cat home that had disappeared months ago from
> its home about 10 miles away.  Thing is sometimes, people pick up strays,
> bring them home, and then lose or dump them again—now even further from
> home.  Its ALWAYS worth scanning, and checking with your local shelter &
> maybe taking a look at craig’s list—though in this case, it sounds like the
> cat’s been out there for a couple of years.  
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
> felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Heather
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:46 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
>
>   ** **
>
> Lots of good advice--given this kitty was already spayed, is a cleft palate
> himi (many cleft palate babies do not survive), this was likely someone's
> pet.   some of the cats at my colonies who have been most standoffish were
> sweet once we got our hands on them.
>
>  
>
> Was she scanned for a chip?  I would definitely do this.
>
>  
>
> She may of course be abandoned but also could be displaced/lost.
>
>  
>
> Most of the chipped cats I find do not have up to date contact info and
> I've had to do detective work, but because the chip info isn't up to date
> doesn't always mean the cat doesn't have someone who loves & misses it.***
> *
>
>  
>
> So many don't have/need homes, it is worth the effort I believe...most turn
> out to be deadbeat owners, but there could be a kid in the family who's been
> crying for months over their lost pet--I have had this situation before
> where we really didn't think the cat had a good home, one never knows.  I
> say this knowing that most do end up being deadbeatsbut, not always, or
> at least, there might be one person in the family who does care and deserves
> to know the kitty is alive and have a chance to claim.
>
>  
>
> Just thoughts, I've had recent situations in this regard--please pardon if
> I missed something that clearly indicated the cat was abandoned (like people
> just moved out, etc.).
>
>  
>
> Good luck and thank you for helping her!!
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Edna Taylor  wrote:*
> ***
>
> Kat, great advice and exactly what I would do.  Place her in a 

Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

[Heather]

Lots of good advice--given this kitty was already spayed, is a cleft palate
himi (many cleft palate babies do not survive), this was likely someone's
pet.   some of the cats at my colonies who have been most standoffish were
sweet once we got our hands on them.

Was she scanned for a chip?  I would definitely do this.

She may of course be abandoned but also could be displaced/lost.

Most of the chipped cats I find do not have up to date contact info and I've
had to do detective work, but because the chip info isn't up to date doesn't
always mean the cat doesn't have someone who loves & misses it.

So many don't have/need homes, it is worth the effort I believe...most turn
out to be deadbeat owners, but there could be a kid in the family who's been
crying for months over their lost pet--I have had this situation before
where we really didn't think the cat had a good home, one never knows.  I
say this knowing that most do end up being deadbeatsbut, not always, or
at least, there might be one person in the family who does care and deserves
to know the kitty is alive and have a chance to claim.

Just thoughts, I've had recent situations in this regard--please pardon if I
missed something that clearly indicated the cat was abandoned (like people
just moved out, etc.).

Good luck and thank you for helping her!!

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Edna Taylor  wrote:

>  Kat, great advice and exactly what I would do.  Place her in a room in
> the house (bathroom/bedroom) and you might find that she is quite friendly,
> simply scared.  If you let her outside now, you will never see her again :(
>
>  --
> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:19:55 +
> From: merrykatme...@email.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
>
>
> Hi Bonnie,
>
> I would try to bring her over to your house, but not directly outside.
>
> Do you have a small room @ your house you can use for a few weeks?  If so,
> you should keep her in there - with litter, food & water & a place to hide
> (large box with hole in it & some towels will do just fine) while you get
> her accustomed to you as her new care giver.  Go in there everyday to be
> with her - even if you don't touch her.  Stay in there for at least a
> half-hour & read something out loud (normal voice) so she can get used to
> hearing you.
>
> If you decide to name her - use her name over & over when you go in to feed
> her.  Praise her for being a smart & strong kitty.  etc.
>
> Then after a few weeks, leave her in the room, but with a screened window
> cracked open a bit, so she can get used to the new neighborhood "smells"
> from inside.  That way, when you do finally let her out (& put her box
> outside too) she will already be familiar with the surroundings & won't be
> so apt to bolt or run off.
>
> Good luck!  It will be worth the time & the effort!!!
>
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: Bonnie Hogue
>
> Sent: 08/11/11 09:05 AM
>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
>
>  Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I’m literally an
> hour away from needing to decide.
>
>
>
> The problem is that my aunt (who’s tame housecat I took) also had a “feral”
> living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the
> past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only
> source of food?).
>
>
>
> Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and
> excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That
> means some (fill in the blank nasty term) ‘person’ had just abandoned her!
>
>
>
> So here’s the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she’s in a strange
> place.  The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take
> her back to my aunt’s house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows
> what will happen, where she will find food, and the next ‘trapper’ may not
> have as good a motivation as I do.
>
>
>
> I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.
>
>
>
> But what would YOU do?
>
>
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
>
>
> ~Bonnie
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Zombo Please add to the CLS :(

[Heather Clark]

Sherry, so sorry.  What a handsome and sweet boy he was.  My FeLV boy
is a sweet orange man too.  It breaks my heart for you every time I
see one of these posting.  Thank you for having such strength to
continue to love these babies without hesitation, even while knowing
the great risk of loss.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt
 wrote:
> Sherry, Zombo sounds like such a special treasure. I'm crying with you for
> his loss, and the loss of the way-too-many other SIDS kids who have left you
> these last couple of weeks. Gentlest of Bridge vibes to every one of them,
> and hugs to every one of you.
>
> Diane R.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 8:07 PM
> To: Felvtalk
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Zombo Please add to the CLS :(
>
> Seriously are we being tested by a higher being og how much loss we REALLY
> can take???  Oh where do I start about are AWESOME Zombo? This crazy fun
> lovin boy had been a charmer since day 1 with us...He would get on the
> counter and if you walk up to him he would reach up and put a paw on each
> shoulder and give lovin hugs..(crying now,pardon any mispellings) His hugs
> were just the sweetest relief from a bad day at work. This disease is so
> awful and heartbreaking...yet I know that in my heart this is what I am
> supposed to be doing for these beautiful babiesI love you Zombo you
> handsome orange and white baby boy
> Sherry
> PS One of my fav Sids girls Bonnet must have knew I needed some comforting
> cause she was all over me with love before I left Sids tonight  :) I love
> them ALL so much
>
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> Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
> Unable to accept its awful gaps.
> We still would have it no other way"
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Re: [Felvtalk] Oscar Please Add to the CLS :( :( :(

[Heather Clark]

Sherry, my heart is filled with sorrow for you and the sweet sids
babies that have crossed the bridge.  Bless you for having the
strength to continue to love these angels.

On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Lynda Wilson  wrote:
> My heart is filled with sadness as well.  It's comforting that you did get
> the chance to kiss him and was able to tell him you loved him.
>
> I don't know how you deal with these tragedies on a daily basis, but I'm
> glad that you so freely do more than your share.  These babies rely on the
> humans that have a special heart for the ones that need it most. Thanks for
> having a big, special heart!
>
> RIP, Oscar. You were loved!
>
> Hugs to you,
> Lynda
> - Original Message - From: "Sherry DeHaan" 
> To: "Felvtalk" 
> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 12:10 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Oscar Please Add to the CLS :( :( :(
>
>
> Ok really how much heartache are we supposed to handle all at one time???
> Oscar was a great tiger boy,he was our special one -eyed guy. I lovingly
> called him Oscar de la One eye. We found out this morning that Dr. Jen had
> to let him go...something about diabetic shockI was so happy that I did
> have the chance to tell him I love him and kiss him last night before I left
> from my shift at Sids.My heart new to give EXTRA lovin last night.My heart
> is so heavy today with sadness..
> Sherry
>
>
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> than our own,
> Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
> Unable to accept its awful gaps.
> We still would have it no other way"
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Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :(

[Heather]

I am sorry too Sherry, SIDS kitties always have the best, unique names, it's
so evident how much love and thought goes into your SIDS kids.  Thanks to
you and everyone there for making sure Umberto, Turner & Studley do Right
had the love they so deserved in their time here.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Natalie  wrote:

> This really has been a bad week - I am so sorry for Umberto!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sara Kasteleyn
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:21 AM
>  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :(
>
>
> Noo...how can we have lost so many sweet babies in so short a time?
>
> Another candle was lit tonight in SoCal for Umberto.
>
> Frolic with the rest of our special ones and wait for us, Umberto.
>
> S
>
> --Original Mail--
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:31:14 +
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :(
>
> He passed today Belinda
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Belinda Sauro 
> Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:28:20
> To: 
> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :(
>
> Aww Sherry, sound like a sweetie pie, when did he pass?
>
> --
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Xana to the CLS

[Heather Clark]

I am so sorry to hear that Xana lost her fight with this horrible
disease.  Bless you for showing her love and comfort.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Esther Jorda  wrote:
> Xana passed away last Thursday of severe anemia. Xana got much worse in the
> last two weeks. Nothing could help her.
> She has not reached 3 years.
>
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> = ^..^ =
> adopta a 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Turner and Studley Do Right Please add to the CLS :(

[Heather Clark]

So Sorry to hear of Turner and Studley crossing the bridge.  My heart
goes out to you and all that loved them.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Sara Kasteleyn
 wrote:
>
> Sherry...such sad news to start the day today.  Wishing you light and love as 
> you remember them and smile.  Candles tonight in their honor in SoCal.  Sara
>
>
>
> --Original Mail--
> From: "Sherry DeHaan" 
> To: "Felvtalk" 
> Sent: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:23:07 -0700 PDT
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Turner and Studley Do Right Please add to the CLS :(
>
> We lost 2 more of our Sids kids today
> Turner was one of my rescues from off the awful streets of Grand Rapids,He 
> was sweet handsome buff and white boy that cooed like a pidgeon when you 
> scratched his back.
>
> Studley was a sweet gray and white boy,he LOVED everyone and let them know it 
> !!! Rest in peace you sweet fur angels.
> Sherry
>
>
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> than our own,
> Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
> Unable to accept its awful gaps.
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Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

[Heather]

Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know
his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in
from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick
kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat".  One is a year out from the
extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well!   Both of
those guys were negative.  My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and
his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for
a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably
can't do that, though.

All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't
believe it.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie  wrote:

> Your cats had stomatitis?  And it helped having all teeth removed?
> The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is
> FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky!  It does
> sound rather drastic, doesn't it?
> We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're chomping
> a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more than canned food
> at times.
> Natalie
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
>
>  Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3
> we've
> had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats afterwards, and have
> done wonderfully ever since.  They were not FELV cats, though.
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie  wrote:
>
> > Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+
> cats?
> >
> > I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO
> > THE
> > POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and
> > unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to
> > have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on
> cleaning
> > out the areas extremely well.  My vet says that he doesn't like doing it
> > because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG.
> >
> > I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different
> > forms.
> >
> >
> >
> > It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications:
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

[Heather]

Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 we've
had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats afterwards, and have
done wonderfully ever since.  They were not FELV cats, though.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie  wrote:

> Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats?
>
> I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO
> THE
> POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and
> unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to
> have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning
> out the areas extremely well.  My vet says that he doesn't like doing it
> because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG.
>
> I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different
> forms.
>
>
>
> It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications:
>
> http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

[Heather]

I would suggest also posting to the Feline Cancer group, I am so sorry and hope 
you can determine what is best for Dexter. I will be thinking of him. 

Heather in Tampa

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On Jul 4, 2011, at 10:25 PM, Ben Williams  wrote:

> We are having a hard time making a very tough decision for Dexter.  In the 
> past three days, Dex has suffered facial and paw swelling and has started 
> having difficulty breathing.  Today has been bad and he is now receiving 
> oxygen at the Dallas emergency vet clinic.  X-rays show that he has lymph 
> node involvement in every area and his liver and spleen are enlarged and have 
> move out of the proper body cavity. This puts him in, I think, stage 4 of 
> lymphosarcoma. He is whimpering and obviously in pain.  We don't want to give 
> up and we are willing to do chemo for him. We want to do what's best for 
> Dexter, but it is so hard to make that final decision.  Is it time for his 
> suffering to be over? Does he have a chance?  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Ittle Bitty

[Heather]

Sally,

I have no idea if this input will be helpful or not, as I know these
neurological issues can be very vague and differ from case to case and I
don't want to give you false hope.

We have a formerly feral rescue kitty, Marlee, who showed up at the colony
one day staggering/head tilt/disoriented.   It was a bout of vestibular
syndrome, along with Hyper T, and she did mostly recover.  However, a year
later, she had either a second vestibular bout/relapse--or possible a
stroke--which left her unable to stand on her own for several weeks, close
to 2 months I think.  She was not paralyzed, but couldn't stand.  They gave
her supportive nursing care and each week saw improvement.  Had there not
been slow, gradual but clear signs of improvement, the vets may have felt
differently about treating.

However, she did get through it and is now (months later) the healthiest and
strongest she's been since we've known her, and given her reliance on humans
during her down time, now completely social.  She's an adorable little long
hair torti point Siamese and now after 2 years in foster, finally ready for
a home, we just don't know how to find someone we can trust since if she
relapsed and couldn't stand again, she could sadly be put down.

Anyway--I have no idea how much of a miracle her story is, but she did
recover slowly but surely.  Again, each week saw progress in the right
direction as far as her movement and such went.  Cautious optimism, as Diane
said, is a good way of putting it.

Her vitals/organ function was good, as was her mental state, which also gave
optimism.

Please keep us posted, sending good wishes to Itty Bitty!   The only
lingering neuro. signs we are seeing with Marlee are that she licks (licks
US) obsessively, and is extremely animated and silly...but in a good, happy
way it seems.   Her life has really turned around, she was once a feral in
the worst hood where we fear for our lives feeding every night...now we just
need to a find a home that's worthy for this little princess!

Heather

On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Sally Davis  wrote:

> The clinic called with an update. Not sure it is good news, but he made it
> through the night. He is still not able to use his hind legs. He did not
> eat
> this moring but they said there was some interest, Moslty he lays on his
> left side and has a head tilt. Any one here with experience with this sort
> of problem? I am wondering how he will be once he is home. If there is
> going
> to be no improvement that would not be good. The Vet should be calling
> later
> any feedback would be a great help.
>
> And Melinda I hope VooDoo come back soon. I have been in your shoes before.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten - Update

[Heather]

I could be way out there, but worry if she could have a fluid accumulation in 
the chest impacting her breathing. An X-ray or ultrasound would probably be 
needed to determine that. I am very sorry for what you and little Cali are 
going through, I know it is both painful and frustrating...and as you said, 
very stressful.  I hope you will have answers  soon, I am not experienced with 
interferon but hopefully others will have some input.
Sending best wishes for Cali, and you-
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> Hi Everyone:  
> 
> I took Cali to Dr. Wright here in Dallas as Lakewood Vet Hospital.  He is 
> very compassionate and took a lot of time trying to explain what was going 
> on.  He agreed that it was highly unlikely that Sasha would get the virus 
> since Cali had probably had the virus from birth and they have always been 
> indoors.  Sasha has been vaccinated and she also tested negative on Monday of 
> this week.  
> 
> He is doing a IFA test to be sure of Cali's situation.  He drew blood on 
> Wednesday, but then his office called yesterday and said that I needed to 
> bring Cali back in because the lab (or someone) messed up the test, and it 
> had to be redone.  So I still don't know the results.  
> 
> He wanted to start her on 1cc of Interferon Alpha 2B (1X a day for 7 days and 
> then 1 time a week for thereafter). 
> 
> She ate really well yesterday all day long but is still really tired and 
> basically wanted to eat, drink water, and sleep.
> 
> Last night, before I started the Interferon, she started breathing with 
> short, fast, breaths. She was still eating and drinking well, just seemed to 
> be breathing more abruptly than normal.  I went ahead and started her on the 
> medication, but now this morning, she doesn't really want to eat and isn't 
> drinking much water.  She is still breathing kind of hard.   I called the Vet 
> and told them I wasn't going to bring her in to draw more blood today because 
> she seemed nauseaed and she has been at a vet almost every day this week.  
> They tell you not to stress a cat the is FeLV+ and then you need to take them 
> to a stressful environment everyday.  I don't understand.  I told them they 
> would have to draw the blood on Monday morning.  
> 
> I guess my question is, can the Interferon give them nausea?  She hasn't 
> thrown up, but she "smacks" her lips together, which I think is a sign that 
> she has an upset stomach.  The Vet said that I needed to be concerned about 
> her not eating, but she was eating before I gave her the Interferon.  
> 
> It's just last night her breathing changed to quick short breaths, before I 
> started the medication, so I don't know if that is something I should be more 
> concerned about more than the not eating, or what.  Too many things are 
> changing, and I don't know what to do first.
> 
> Please give me some input.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Cathy  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lilac Please add to the CLS :(

[Heather Clark]

So Sorry or the loss of Lilac.  It is a blessing that she was able to
know a real home if only for a short time.  These sweet babies bless
us with all the love they have!!

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Sherry DeHaan  wrote:
> Lilas was a sweet little beautiful tortie. She had a BIG spirit and LOTS of 
> love to give !!! She had the chance to live in a loving home of her own for a 
> short time,but I know it was full of LOVE. Her sister Posey passed a couple 
> weeks before but also lived in the same wonderful home. Camden lovingly calls 
> his home Camp Feleuk. He has a big heart that has had to deal with MANY 
> losses lately,but I know he believes it was worth giving the special babies a 
> REAL home of their own. :)
> Sherry
>
>
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> Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
> Unable to accept its awful gaps.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Crockett Please add to the CLS :*(

[Heather]

Sherry,

I'm sorry to hear about the loss of Crockett, we've got a couple who love
spankings too, it is so cute and endearing.  Thanks for loving him!
Crockett is a great name for a big, orange pile of love & stripes.

I am always sticken by the unqiue and special names SIDS comes up with for
each of these wonderful cats.   And in the same fashion,  you are always
able to give us a glimpse into some of the things that made each kitty
special, even in just a few sentences.  It really captures the love they
were surrounded by--something said so well in such few words, or a name that
brings a face with it, come truly from the heart.

Thank you so much for sharing with us so we can all remember them too.  We
are sad for their losses and their shortened lives but so glad for the love
they had in your care.  Keep up the amazing work.

Heather in Tampa

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Sherry DeHaan  wrote:

> Sids lost yet another GREAT cat yesterday. Crockett was a big sweet tiger
> that LOVED spankings !! I do believe his spankings helped his battle through
> anemia a few months back,but the anemia won this time :( I love you my
> Crockett Man
> Sherry
>
>
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> than our own,
> Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
> Unable to accept its awful gaps.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Chanel has crossed the Rainbow Bridge

[Heather Clark]

This brought tears to my eyes.  I am so sorry for your and the littles ones
lost.  She is surely a kitty angel now looking down on them.

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On Apr 13, 2011 9:06 AM, "Natalie"  wrote:

I am so sorry for them and for you - poor little chirpers! Natalie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Abbey

[Heather]

I was just reading about bovine lactoferrin for the same reason--seems worth
a try to me.

I've also seen flagyl/metronidazole mentioned (used in conjunction with
antibiotics, I think)perhaps you could ask your vet about this?

Trental is another thing I read about helping a difficult case.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Mary Lou  wrote:

> Okay guys we need your help big time.  Abbey is felu and fel imun positive.
> She has stomatitis. Had 14 teeth, roots and all removed 2 wks ago. Mouth
> greatly improved but not all - in the back between upper and lower still
> red.  Not on any meds for now. She will not lick lysine. Am going to try to
> water down lysine and get it in her or spread pill powder and mix in food.
> Would mixing bovine interferon maybe help? I am frantic to help her. She
> does not deserve this. Cannot pill. Feeding watered down a/d or baby food or
> fancy feast. She has a great appetite until she hits her sore area with a
> piece of food.  She has 10 days til she goes back to the vet. He is thinking
> about steriods.  Any ideas of what to do? I really don't want to put her on
> steriods unless nothing else to do.  She is the baby that was dumped by my
> great neighbors and they moved leaving her outside with no food or water or
> anywhere to sleep unless she crawled under the slab of their house.
>  Abbey is the sweetest loving black cat. We apreciate any help you can
> offer. Thank you.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Husband has passed away..... :(

[Heather]

 Terrie,

I don't know that we've ever spoken but I always recognize your name when it
pops up here as all if my family is from WA. I can't even imagine how
difficult this must be. My bf of 11 years is also my partner in rescue, and
I know many do not have the support and help of their partners in this line
of work. I am sure the bond you have shared for so long spans far beyond the
words love, friendship, husband, partner and companion.

I hope the many years lof love you had together will help carry you on. It
has to be harder than words could every say and no expression of sympathy
could truly feel adequate.

Thank you for sharing here so that we can all keep you in our thoughts.

Heather in Tampa


On Apr 2, 2011, at 11:27 AM,  wrote:

  Thank you all for your kind words and love in this difficult time for me.
It is hard on me since we have been together for many years.
He had a genuine love for animals and supported me in everything I did in
rescue.

My husband passed away 4:30 in the morning on Thursday. He died peacefully
in his sleep. I know he is longer in pain and sick is healthy again.

He will be greeted by others that have went to the Rainbow Bridge especially
by my Taz as he loved him too.


TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
Sultan, WA. 98294
Terrie Mohr-Forker
http://tazzys.org/
Non-Profit national rescue
Dedicated to the welfare of animals.


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> From: "ter...@tazzys.org" 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 8:09:59 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.
>
> Hi all,I'm taking some time off from rescue due to my husband's
> illness. He
> has
> liver failure and is not a candidate for a transplant. He has been
> hospitalized 2 times this month and once last month he was placed
> into a
> skill
> nursing facility since the 18th of February after the first trip to
> the
> hospital.
>
> He is in the end final stage of his disease his liver has stopped
> working.
> Can die at any given time. He is being given all the pain meds he
> wants for
> comfort so he will most likely fall asleep an never wake up again.
>
> I want to make myself available at all times for him.
> He is only 64 years old... I know to some of you that may sound old
> but it
> isn't
> really.
> Hospice has been part of this as well to help me cope with all of
> this.
> Hospice
> is available to me 24 hours a day.
>
> Sincerely,
> Terrie
>
> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
> Sultan, WA. 98294
> Terrie Mohr-Forker
> http://tazzys.org/
> Non-Profit national rescue
> Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

[Heather Clark]

Bless you for helping to make her trip to the bridge as painless as
possible, for showing her the love and compassion she so deserved.  Her
story breaks my heart.

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On Mar 30, 2011 8:19 PM, "Belinda Sauro"  wrote:

  Hi All,
 I have added, Lola, Rosie and Muffy to the Candle Light Service, my
condolences to all of you, their passing is so sad, but sweet little Lola
really tore me up, I have a little one that looks just like her, she is
small for her age and she is a joy I wouldn't want to not have in my life
... I can't imagine people being so self absorbed and cruel.

-- 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS

[Heather Clark]

My heart aches for your loss.  You gave Rosie, Murphy, and her brothers all
you could.  They were safe, loved, and comfortable.  Bless you for taking
such good care of them and knowing when to let them cross the bridge.  You
will be in my thoughts and prayers.

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On Mar 30, 2011 8:15 AM, "2nd Hotmail"  wrote:

It breaks my heart, immensely!!! I am so sorry for your loss!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please

[Heather]

I am sad to hear this too and Studs will be in my thoughts.  Second
transport related health crisis I've heard of recently--a week or two ago,
one of the big organizations (HSUS or someone) sent an e-mail out
fundraising for a small dog or puppy that was being transported in a car
with another, much larger dog, not in carriers and was attacked when they
stopped for gas or something to that effect, resulting in critical
injuries.  Very sad.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Edna Taylor  wrote:

>
> OMG, can someone PLEASE go hit that woman in the head with a tack hammer?
>  Studs is in my thoughts and prayers.  I think this goes without saying but
> are you putting the transporter on a "DO NOT USE" list?
>
> Please let us know how Studs is doing.
>
> Edna
>
> > Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 09:23:13 -0700
> > From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
> > To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please
>  >
> > I was supposed to have a new FeLV kitty "Studs" aka "Stud Muffin" last
> night, but the lady who was transporting him left him in a carrier in her
> carport with no food or water all day. I live in Atlanta & it has been hot.
> He had to be treated for severe dehydration & is currently at the vet. They
> also discovered he had a severe heart murmur, so they are going to check to
> see if that can me managed with meds or if it is too late. He is apparently
> a total love bug. My favorite kind of cat - big black short haired cat with
> green eyes.
> >
> > Beth
> > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> >
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

[Heather]

Me three...

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:47 PM, TANYA NOE wrote:

> I was just going to say that Sam!
>
> --- On Tue, 3/22/11, SomeWhere Sam  wrote:
>
> > From: SomeWhere Sam 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 4:36 PM
> > Sorry but that information is
> > outdated or biased.
> >
> > The number one killer of birds is humans due to habitat
> > loss or construction for
> > same.
> >
> > Humans: The Number One Threat to Birds
> > http://www.alleycat.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=325
> >
> > SomeWhere Sam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Bonnie Hogue 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Tue, March 22, 2011 2:37:38 PM
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
> >
> > In the newspaper today:
> >
> > House cats are the #1 predator of wild birds.  The
> > American Bird Conservancy
> > estimates up to 500 million birds per year are killed by
> > cats.  About 400,000
> > are killed yearly by wind turbines (less than 20% of the
> > number killed by
> > cats).  So now we have another reason to keep our cats
> > indoors -- not only for
> > their own health and safety, but for that of our BIRD
> > population!
> > Save the cats and the birds: Keep Your Cat Indoors!
> > ~Bonnie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rosie's Check Up Today-Pretty Good!

[Heather Clark]

Awesome news.  I will keep Rosie in my prayers!

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On Mar 17, 2011 11:03 AM, "Jannes Taylor"  wrote:

Great news! Rosie is so blessed to have you taking care of her. God Bless
you
all.
 Jannes





From: Sara Kasteleyn 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 8:50:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rosie's Check Up Today-Pretty Good!



Wow Alice, this is really great news.  Keeing you all in y thoughts and
prayers
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

[Heather]

I hope this link works.  I live in Florida and know several people who have
been to Caboodle.

>From what I can surmise, it seems it was pretty decent years ago and has
possibly declined with illness and the increasing population.   Hearing
reports of a cat with its eye hanging out (two different people from
different areas of florida who don't know each other reported seeing this
cat), or an exposed fracture as mentioned in this article, are pretty
scary.   I've heard some things that suggest it may have been cleaned up
some (do not know), but this article was in a local paper in the last few
weeks.

I don't think much can be worse than being stacked in a carrier or cage for
life, but, check it out before leaving an animal is of course the best
advice as stated here by others.

http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/article1151027.ece


On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Debbie Bates  wrote:

>
> I have not personally visited Caboodle...however, the group I foster for
> said they would NEVER allow any of their animals to go there.  The animals
> live out of doors (for the most part)and this guy really discourages
> visitors.  So if a cat gets sick and hides ... how will he know?  The
> healthy ones probably enjoy themselves, but he has no way to keep accurate
> health care records
> Now, you can take this with a grain of saltthis same group is the one
> who placed my "unadoptable" foster momma in the "sanctuary" that was shut
> down by Law EnforcementI DID get to see that one and it was nothing
> short of a concentration camp for cats...I still have nightmares.
>
> Debbie
> ~ When the world says, "Give up," hope whispers, "Try it one more time" ~
>
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:57:43 -0500
> > From: felineres...@kvinet.com
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
>  >
> > On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote:
> >
> > > This is the problem with most "sanctuaries." It's a flawed
> > > business model. A "sanctuary" by definition offers lifetime care
> > > So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and
> > > more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to
> > > start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because
> > > they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and
> > > sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying "no." This is
> > > just not a sustainable model.
> >
> > I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now,
> > (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart
> > this earth.
> >
> > Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida??
> > It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they
> > certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less
> > than wonderful!
> >
> > They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to
> > the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me.
> >
> > If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info
> > about Caboodle please let me know.
> >
> > Lorrie
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Purrayers for our Rosie

[Heather Clark]

You are in my purrayers, Rosie!  Your Mom and new fursiblings need you to be
the survivor.

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On Feb 21, 2011 5:59 PM, "katskat1"  wrote:

Comeon Rosie!  We are all pulling for you!  Listen to us and fight to
stay healthy so you can play with your new siblings.

Kat



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Re: [Felvtalk] Isaac

[Heather Clark]

I don't have any insights for you.   I just wanted to let you know
that my heart goes to out to you.  I will light a candle for Issac

On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 3:33 PM, czadna sacarawicz
 wrote:
>
> Isaac would have been 3 years young on 4.14.  He tested positive along with 4 
> others of my inner circle of seven on 3.1.2010.  I did not test further but 
> put efforts into food and supplements.
>
> Isaac  was big (not fat) black, neutered and active and appeared healthy and 
> aggravated Scrumptious assertively.  This group lived an indoor-outdoor life 
> in the rural Carolina Piedmont.
>
> Tuesday morning he did not eat.  His breath was horrendous.  He liked to eat 
> - - I used to joke with him that he and I both needed to spend time on the 
> treadmill.  That night he was not there nor on Wednesday nor Thursday morning 
> though I searched and called.  Thursday night he answered.  He could not move 
> and his pupils were dilated and fixed.  He did not look as if he had been 
> attacked by dogs or coyotes.
>
> I took him the 14 miles home and hydrated him orally during the night.  He 
> got up to walk several times during the late night morning but would walk 3 
> steps and wobble and fall down; he would cry out while sleeping with me or 
> when I moved him but I did not know what the matter was.  Conscious but not 
> responsive to me. (the crying out & walking with falling down reminiscent of 
> Torie Rose - - in her last earthly night.  She was the first and original of 
> this inner circle of 8 who was euthanized 2.28.2010).  I made an appointment 
> with a vet for Friday. He gave fluids - - thought Isaac's teeth and forehead 
> spoke of liver failure, said his lungs were clear and heart sounded good 
> though a little fast.  The plan was to do fluids over the weekend and 
> reassess early in the week.  Vet said could be leukemia.  could be poison.  
> didn't know.
>
> I unintentionally killed him Friday night and will say no more about that.  
> That is a heavy load.
>
> To have him suddenly in major distress was unimaginable.  He was only a 
> nanometer beyond Scrumptious in closeness to me.  He and Shallie Marie 
> appeared to be the healthiest.  This is the last thing I would have expected.
>
> Thank you for hearing my story.
>
> any wisdom or insights will be appreciated.
>
> Blessings
>
>
> megan and Scrumptious and Luscious and Mama and Pookashay and Shallie Marie 
> and Breanne;
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Re: [Felvtalk] A BIG THANK YOU

[Heather Clark]

Great news!  There beautiful faces have been on my heart since I read
about them.  Bless you, Jenine!

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 6:10 PM, TANYA NOE  wrote:
> Wonderful news!!!
>
> --- On Fri, 2/18/11, Kelley Saveika  wrote:
>
>> From: Kelley Saveika 
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] A BIG THANK YOU
>> To: "felvtalk" 
>> Date: Friday, February 18, 2011, 5:53 PM
>> To Jenine for adopting the 3 FELV+
>> kittens in Austin, Texas.  It took a bit
>> of fancy footwork as we only had a few hours, but they are
>> SAFE!  Yay!
>>
>> --
>> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>>
>> http://www.rescuties.org
>>
>> Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
>>
>> http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
>>
>> Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
>> http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
>>
>> Please help Trooper!
>>
>> http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper
>>
>>
>> "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal
>> lovers they
>> can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the
>> animals, that they
>> should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to
>> continue."
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] A BIG THANK YOU

[Heather]

They are beautiful, what wonderful news!

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Kelley Saveika  wrote:

> To Jenine for adopting the 3 FELV+ kittens in Austin, Texas.  It took a bit
> of fancy footwork as we only had a few hours, but they are SAFE!  Yay!
>
> --
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>
> Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
>
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
>
> http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
>
> Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
> http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
>
> Please help Trooper!
>
> http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper
>
>
> "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
> can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they
> should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue."
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Osiris, Finn, Windsor and Orson Please Add to the CLS :(

[Heather Clark]

Sherry, my heart aches for.  One loss is devastating enough.  Bless you for
loving and caring for these sweet fur angels.  You were certainly an angel
to them.  I hope you are able to take solace at the thought of them romping
together at the rainbow bridge.  A candle is lit here in VA to help guide
them there.

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On Feb 5, 2011 9:47 PM, "Sherry DeHaan"  wrote:

What can I say we lost 4 more of our wonderful Sids kids tonight.Losing 5 in
2 days is VERY hard on all of us volunteers,not to mention Dr. Jen.
Osiris has been a part of my life ever since I started volunteering at
Sids.He was there before I started over 5 years ago.He was a beautiful sweet
soul,with the cutest face.He always took his everyday meds like a champ.I
will miss you Osee.
Finn,now he was a special guy in my heart. He had the most sweet crooked
head tilt(I am a sucker for tilts) I will forever remember his sweet loving
ways.
Windsr was a unique looking sweet boy who loved crawling into anybodys lap
he could find.
Orson was a VERY handsome siamese boy with beautiful blue eyes.He too was a
lover.
I will post pics on Facebook as I do for ALL our Sids kids...if anyone would
like to see them I am Sherry DeHaan...just send a friend request and tell me
you are from the yahoo group.I will try to post them later tonight when I
get home.
Thank you all for your support
Sherry

"We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tweeze is gone.

[Heather Clark]

I wish there were words to help ease your pain.  Tweezer was a beautiful
happy boy who was so lucky to have you in his life.  Thank you for giving
him such a happy life.

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On Feb 4, 2011 10:54 PM, "Sherry DeHaan"  wrote:

I am SO sorry for your loss.Tweezer was a BEAUTIFUL boy.I cried watching
your video.I know the pain of losing babies to this awful disease.He was so
lucky to have had such great parents! And YOU were lucky to have had him to
love. Hugs to you.
Sherry


"We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way"

--- On Fri, 2/4/11, Frank & Sue Koren  wrote:


From: Frank & Sue Koren 

Subject: [Felvtalk] Tweeze is gone.

To: "FeLV talk" 
Date: Friday, February 4, 2011, 8:05 PM



Tweezer lost his battle with this horrible disease this afternoon.  He had
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Re: [Felvtalk] Oatmeal Creme Pie Please Add to the CLS :(

[Heather Clark]

So sorry to hear of your loss.  A candle will be lit in VA to help him find
his way.

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On Feb 4, 2011 11:57 AM, "Peggy Verdonck" 
wrote:

So sorry to hear about your sweet Oatmeal Creme Pie! Rest in peace OCP!

We have 4 Snowshoes :-)

Peggy

2011/2/4 Sharyl 


> Rest in peace Oatmeal Creme Pie. Sometimes there isn't anything we can do
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Re: [Felvtalk] Is ther anything that can reverse the anemia?

[Heather]

I guess you are presuming this is non-regenerative, correct?

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Frank & Sue Koren wrote:

> I am worried that my 4 year old FeLV+ kitty Tweezer may be anemic.  I will
> be taking him to the vet asap but am wondering if there is anything that
> can
> reverse the anemia once is starts.  I have lost two positive kitties
> already
> to anemia and I sure don't want to see it happen to Tweezer.  We bought
> Buzzy a few months with Doxycycline and Prednelolone but it's never enough
> time.  Does anyone know of anything that can reverse it?
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Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

[Heather Wienker]

So this woman is a rescue type person?  How did you come into contact?  
Wonder if any local rescues or shelters know of her. It is all odd,  
could just be emotional issues.


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On Jan 19, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Emeraldkittee   
wrote:



thanks, Laurie, I appreciate you chiming in.

yes, he is neutered, he wandered into her yard fixed, many years  
ago.  She gave the cat to the relative, then a boyfriend, then the  
relative again.  The kitty doesn't get daily attention, since she  
doesn't live there, which is why I really want to assess the  
situation.  Now she isn't sure about the size of the space we can  
provide- one day we're great, the next day, she's got misgivings. As  
far as the masturbation thing, she said she asked the vet several  
years ago and was told the kitty is bored and lonely. I agree, the  
kitty needs a vet - 'very thin' makes me want to check his thyroid  
and blood sugar.  It's hard to get her to stay focused, she rambles  
about other things; I know I'm dealing with more than a sad kitty  
here.

--- On Wed, 1/19/11, Laurieskatz  wrote:


From: Laurieskatz 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:44 PM


Imo this kitty needs your help. I did rescue for 13 years and have  
never
heard of a kitty masturbating...? is he neutered? She might be  
embarrassed

to have a cat in this condition belonging to a relative (this is my
suspicion). As a rescuer friend of mine says when she is trying to  
help
someone who is not being reasonable, "it's not the cat's fault". I  
would go
over there and assess things yourself. Take a carrier. If the  
carrier won't
work, ask about trapping him. Does anyone interact with this poor  
cat? The
"masturbation" might be another bodily fluid...dental issue or  
infection. It
sounds like this kitty needs to see a vet. How would her vet even  
know if
the cat saw someone else. She could say the potential adopter wanted  
to go
to someone else. I sense fear of something behind this refusal to  
cooperate.

Please go get him and let us know what you find out.
L

"Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't  
deprive them

of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you,  
with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the  
traces

of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!"~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of  
Emeraldkittee

Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying  
relative
has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV.  She can't take him  
because of
the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own  
bunch.
 We've had a few conversations.  I have been told the following: the  
kitty
hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has  
always been
very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention  
because to
me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room  
he's in and
never attacks the other cats.  The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has  
been in

supposed perfect health.  There's never been an IFA or Western Blot.

I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge  
of their

health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could
certainly use their vet.  She mentioned she no longer goes to that  
vet and
didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw  
blood'. Today
she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her  
permission
to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't  
know'.

It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there.


When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't  
like
carriers and might need a shot to be sedated.  That wasn't mentioned  
the

first few conversations.

Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me.  I know this  
person is
overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that.  
BUT.  I
am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation  
is, but
why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't  
lead to an
adoption?  She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but  
doesn't

know about doing this.

I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical
conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel  
I need
to see what's going on.  I got the impression there was a problem  
with the
vet she originall

Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

[Heather Wienker]

I will write more when I can get to a computer but my gut (from a  
distance knowing far less than you so perhaps not entitled to a 'gut'  
on this:) is that yes, this woman has issues (or sometimes 'normal'  
people the issue is that they are too preoccupied with their own  
lives) and the cat needs help which will likely require someone just  
taking the cat asap.  I totally understand you may not be able to do  
that, sadly even many rescue people don't understand the importance of  
an IFA or what giving a home to and felv cat really entails. And  
'normal' people seeking help for a cat often aren't willing to do much  
and will make every excuse in the world why they can't.  Or perhaps  
she really is just kind of nuts, that is quite possible. Poor kitty:(


Thank you for caring enough to explore further. I've also seen rescue  
people say 'somethings not right--I'm out of this one", but those are  
likely often some of the situations where the animal really needs  
help. I may be way wrong though!  It is so hard to guess what the heck  
is up with people much of the time but getting away from crazy people/ 
bad situations often seems to help the cats who the people claim are  
the ones with the problem (and they are, due to the people and all  
they've been through).


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On Jan 19, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Emeraldkittee   
wrote:



thanks, Laurie, I appreciate you chiming in.

yes, he is neutered, he wandered into her yard fixed, many years  
ago.  She gave the cat to the relative, then a boyfriend, then the  
relative again.  The kitty doesn't get daily attention, since she  
doesn't live there, which is why I really want to assess the  
situation.  Now she isn't sure about the size of the space we can  
provide- one day we're great, the next day, she's got misgivings. As  
far as the masturbation thing, she said she asked the vet several  
years ago and was told the kitty is bored and lonely. I agree, the  
kitty needs a vet - 'very thin' makes me want to check his thyroid  
and blood sugar.  It's hard to get her to stay focused, she rambles  
about other things; I know I'm dealing with more than a sad kitty  
here.

--- On Wed, 1/19/11, Laurieskatz  wrote:


From: Laurieskatz 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:44 PM


Imo this kitty needs your help. I did rescue for 13 years and have  
never
heard of a kitty masturbating...? is he neutered? She might be  
embarrassed

to have a cat in this condition belonging to a relative (this is my
suspicion). As a rescuer friend of mine says when she is trying to  
help
someone who is not being reasonable, "it's not the cat's fault". I  
would go
over there and assess things yourself. Take a carrier. If the  
carrier won't
work, ask about trapping him. Does anyone interact with this poor  
cat? The
"masturbation" might be another bodily fluid...dental issue or  
infection. It
sounds like this kitty needs to see a vet. How would her vet even  
know if
the cat saw someone else. She could say the potential adopter wanted  
to go
to someone else. I sense fear of something behind this refusal to  
cooperate.

Please go get him and let us know what you find out.
L

"Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't  
deprive them

of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you,  
with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the  
traces

of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!"~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of  
Emeraldkittee

Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying  
relative
has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV.  She can't take him  
because of
the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own  
bunch.
 We've had a few conversations.  I have been told the following: the  
kitty
hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has  
always been
very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention  
because to
me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room  
he's in and
never attacks the other cats.  The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has  
been in

supposed perfect health.  There's never been an IFA or Western Blot.

I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge  
of their

health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could
certainly use their vet.  She mentioned she no longer goes to that  
vet and
didn't know 'w

Re: [Felvtalk] potential kitty tested negative

[Heather Wienker]

Breaks my heart thinking of how many cats lives are ruined, or lost,  
based on a single test that might not even be correct.


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On Jan 18, 2011, at 10:19 PM, Emeraldkittee   
wrote:



Thanks, everyone :)  there's lots of educating to do!

--- On Tue, 1/18/11, Laurieskatz  wrote:


From: Laurieskatz 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] potential kitty tested negative
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 9:01 PM


:-) you are an angel in this kitty's life!!!

"Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't  
deprive them

of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you,  
with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the  
traces

of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!"~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane  
Rosenfeldt

Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] potential kitty tested negative

Excellent! Bravo for this sweet kitty!

Diane R.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of  
Emeraldkittee

Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:52 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] potential kitty tested negative

I mentioned that one of the kitties we were going to look at for  
adoption
never had an IFA test.  She’s been in a cage for a year at a shelter 
.  I had
them do an IFA and she’s negative!  She’s a healthy, roly-poly  
adult,
sweetie pie.  They actually thanked me for educating them and said  
they will
follow a different testing protocol going forward.  I’m happy for th 
is

kitty.

shannon



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Re: [Felvtalk] potential kitty tested negative

[Heather]

Good for you Shannon!  You saved a life, and likely more there!

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Emeraldkittee wrote:

> I mentioned that one of the kitties we were going to look at for adoption
> never had an IFA test.  She’s been in a cage for a year at a shelter.  I had
> them do an IFA and she’s negative!  She’s a healthy, roly-poly adult,
> sweetie pie.  They actually thanked me for educating them and said they will
> follow a different testing protocol going forward.  I’m happy for this
> kitty.
>
> shannon
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Diet recommendations

[Heather Clark]

Thank you both for the advice!  I bought him some Blue Buffalo.  And I will
love and treasure him for as long as I can.

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Katy Doyle wrote:

> I've switched my cats to Blue Buffalo and they seem to love the food and
> they have been healthier. They used to vomit randomly, but haven't since
> being on the new food. I also smudge of Nutri-Cal on their paw once a day,
> just so they get some extra vitamins.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 15, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Sharyl  wrote:
>
> > Heather, I rescued a pair of FeLV kittens.  Sissy always had enlarged
> lymph nodes especially at her neck.  Rocket never did.  I tried several
> things but never helped.  I feed her the highest quality food she would eat
> supplemented with L-lysine, B12, folic acid.  I enjoyed 4 years with my
> sweet Sissy.
> >
> > Love and treasure Squiggy every day.  That really is the best medicine.
> > Sharyl
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 1/15/11, Heather Clark  wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Heather Clark 
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Diet recommendations
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 9:02 AM
> >
> >
> > My boy, Squiggy, was diagnosed with feline leukemia about 6 months ago.
>  He
> > has stayed pretty healthy since, with just one secondary infection that
> was
> > treated with antibiotics.  But the lymph nodes in his throat are swollen
> and
> > stay that way all the time,  Sometimes they are larger than others but
> they
> > are always swollen.  My vet doesn't seem concerned by this.  She just
> says
> > it is a symptom of the FeLv.  But it concerns me becasue that is what
> made
> > me take him to the vet 6 months ago.  His lymph nodes were swollen and he
> > was having trouble breathing.  Has anyone else experienced this?  Is
> there
> > anything I can do for him diet or medication wise to decrease the
> swelling?
> > He also has a licking issue.  He will lick everything.  But when I had a
> > bloodwork check on him the vet said it looked good.  That he was just
> > slightly anemic but very good for a FeLv cat.  I feed him wet food in the
> > morning and add Lysine powder and Missing Link to it.  Any other
> > recommendations?  I would really appreciate any advice.  He is eating
> well
> > and maintaining his weight but I want to stay as far ahead of the disease
> as
> > I can.  I do some rescue work out of my house and lost a very young
> kitten
> > to FeLv already.  Squiggy was rescued from a chemical plant but was such
> a
> > standout sweet kitten that I couldn't bring myself to give him up.  Thank
> > you for your help.
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[Felvtalk] Diet recommendations

[Heather Clark]

My boy, Squiggy, was diagnosed with feline leukemia about 6 months ago.  He
has stayed pretty healthy since, with just one secondary infection that was
treated with antibiotics.  But the lymph nodes in his throat are swollen and
stay that way all the time,  Sometimes they are larger than others but they
are always swollen.  My vet doesn't seem concerned by this.  She just says
it is a symptom of the FeLv.  But it concerns me becasue that is what made
me take him to the vet 6 months ago.  His lymph nodes were swollen and he
was having trouble breathing.  Has anyone else experienced this?  Is there
anything I can do for him diet or medication wise to decrease the swelling?
He also has a licking issue.  He will lick everything.  But when I had a
bloodwork check on him the vet said it looked good.  That he was just
slightly anemic but very good for a FeLv cat.  I feed him wet food in the
morning and add Lysine powder and Missing Link to it.  Any other
recommendations?  I would really appreciate any advice.  He is eating well
and maintaining his weight but I want to stay as far ahead of the disease as
I can.  I do some rescue work out of my house and lost a very young kitten
to FeLv already.  Squiggy was rescued from a chemical plant but was such a
standout sweet kitten that I couldn't bring myself to give him up.  Thank
you for your help.
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[Felvtalk] FELV+ Flame Point-Shortie Tail teen in Tampa, FL needs foster/home ASAP

[Heather]

 Hello,

I was not able to attach a picture, but please e-mail me if anyone would
like pics especially if you are able to help spread the word for this SUPER
sweet kitty Weasley.

Weasley has twice tested FELV+ on snap tests and the rescuer does not have
funds for an IFA.  It is a bit of a complicated story, my friend who rescued
him was volunteering at a high volume low-cost "spay day" when sweet little
Weasley was brought in, he had horrible scabies and the person who brought
him wouldn't keep him and he was going to be euthanized.   My friend took
him home, treated him for scabies (he was neutered at the clinic but not
tested), and came accross another rescue volunteer who wished to adopt him,
which she did but he since tested + for FELV twice and so she returned him.
Since his history is unknown, we do not know if he was born with it/infected
as a kitten or more recently as a teen on the streets.

My rescue friend is in a difficult situation, she is one who saves so many
cats that no one else steps up to help and is loaded with more than 30 cats
and fosters, including several very hard to place special needs cats
(including a somewhat traumatized, 4 paw declaw deaf white kitty who was
living on the streets and needs a home badly as well), and her young husband
is going through chemo for a brain tumor.  She is a graduate student with a
lot on her hands and mounting cat situations and has no where to keep this
sweet boy separate other than caged, she has to be careful since she has so
many fosters to be adopted out who can't be exposed.

Weasley is so sweet and described to have the personality of a puppy!  He
has a shortie tail, about 1/3 - 1/2 of a regular tail, making him even
cuter.  I was told he is about 6 months old.

If anyone in Florida can help find a foster or permanent home for Weasley,
they may contact me or my friend Olya @ olyagr...@gmail.com

Thanks for reading!

Heather
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats not getting along

[Heather]

My bf and I care for over 20 feral cat colonies a day (around 143 cats) and
what I see in the colonies is much more peaceful than what is going on in my
packed condo.   I do see some scuffles perhaps at larger colonies or those
in problematic spots, but most cohabitate pretty well though their
preference would be to each have their own feeding dish or pile of food
which is not always possible.  That's mainly when we see scuffles, or if an
unneutered male shows up (until they are done).

Of course once they finish eating, they've got all the room in the world to
spread out and ignore each other if desired so that is probably the key.

My place is a battle zone but it's definitely an issue of too little space.

On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Bonnie Hogue  wrote:

> Wow, Lorrie, good for you for taking in 14 felines!
> I often wonder how these "cat colonies" one reads about manage, for I've
> never seen a totally peaceful group.  In my experience, "everyone finds
> their spot" where they are comfortable and secure, then that's it.  One
> furry body out of place and the whole bunch get in a tizzy.  But, as I told
> my little clan this morning while it was pouring rain outside, "At least you
> guys are warm, dry, safe and don't have to hunt for your next meal."  So it
> beats the alternative!
> ~Bonnie
> - Original Message - From: "Lorrie" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 8:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats not getting along
>
>
>
> None of my cats sleep together either. They are affectionate with me,
>> but not each other. They either ignore each other or have hiss, spit,
>> yowling arguments along with a few well placed swats at each other.
>>
>> I wonder if this is because all 14 of my cats were rescues who all
>> arrived here at different times. None of them were kittens who grew
>> up together, tho some were kittens when I took them in. The kittens
>> are accepted better by the others, and the most difficult cats to
>> introduce are grown males who remain a threat to my other males even
>> tho they've been neutered immediately.  Our house is large, and they
>> have plenty of room, toys, climbing trees, cat condos as well as port
>> holes to three outside enclosures.  You'd think this would make them
>> happy, but the tension in our household is ongoing, unless all 14
>> happen to be sleeping at the same time :-(
>>
>> Lorrie
>>
>> On 12-15, Bonnie Hogue wrote:
>>> Beverly
>>> Oh, how I long for a home like yours! I agree about the intro, and
>>> I've tried to "do it right" with everyone.  The most recent one was
>>> Lucky, and he's doing well and seems accepted by all. But there are
>>> tensions, especially between Stormy and the other girl, Miya Chan
>>> (she's a rehabilitated feral).  I think boy cats are mellower, more
>>> accepting.  I would love to see everyone curled up together on the
>>> couch or my bed, or playing together.  Sigh. Thanks for another
>>> perspective! Bonnie
>>>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Beverly
>>>
>>> >Hi Bonnie,
>>> >
>>> >I must beg to differ that most cats prefer to be the only!  I have
>>> >five male cats (aged fifteen years to six months) in our small
>>> >apartment and they are all best buds.  They rumble and tumble and
>>> >play, and curl up and sleep together when they get tired.  I don't
>>> >think any of them would do well as an only cat.  Most of my
>>> >friends and family also have multiple cats that are great friends.
>>> >
>>> >It's all about the introduction - a slow, careful introduction of
>>> >a new cat to the resident cats can lead to a very happy
>>> >relationship.
>>> >
>>> >Just my two cents.
>>> >
>>> >Beverly
>>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLv alternative treatment

[Heather]

On the cancer list I heard of a product called ES Clear, it has Slippery
Elm,  Chinese Rhubarb and a couple of other ingredients.  Several have
indicated they felt it helped their kitties quality of life--it is indicated
for cancer, but, mentioning in case it might have general use (since I'm
sure it's not actually a cure for cancer).

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Natalie  wrote:

> So far, I have come across only these alternatives from Dr. McDougall.
>
> Hasn't someone posted some herbal stuff, a tonic, a few months ago?
>
>
>
>
> http://www.herbal-treatments.net/alternative-cat-treatments/leukemia-virus-f
> elv.html  - at the very bottom, herbal treatments are suggested. You can
> contact them regarding these herbs; I have.
>
>
>
> http://www.catconnection.net/care/flv.php  - very basic info on FeLV
>
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.

[Heather]

Well chances are it is negative, I do high volume rescue and have to say
honestly I don't think I've done a second test on any of my own that I've
kept (I don't mean that's a good thing or anything).   I don't even live in
a house so know how it is dealing with segregating (I have kittens in both
bathrooms right now and much of the time).

I just know this is a place where most on the list are interested in the
various possibilities and experiences others have had with testing and
such, so we tend to share those, it's just not a perfect or predictable
world.

 So maybe something positive has already happened!   And if not but you are
able to find the kitten a good home--that is still a very positive thing.
But sounds like you are taken with the kiddo so hope it works out:-)


On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Peggy Verdonck
wrote:

> I understand and I'm very aware of that. I guess I just want this kitten to
> have a good home but it might not be with us.
> I lost 3 cats in this past year (only one to Felv) and I am just so ready
> for something positive to happen in this household. A new kitten is such a
> joy, but maybe not under these circumstances. It is to soon I'm afraid.
> Still waiting to hear back from my vet, and then I will make my final
> decision on what to do with this kitten.
>
> My other cats were exposed to my Felv+ cat (we just didn't know, until she
> got sick) for almost a year and every single one of them tested negative in
> the first test.
>
> 2010/12/8 Melinda Kerr 
>
> > My cat tested negative at 6 weeks old. She did not go out until she was 8
> > months old. Even then she rarely if ever came in contact with another
> cat.
> > She was only out for very short periods close by the house. She never
> came
> > home showing signs of a fight.
> >
> > Looking back at her medical history, including a fairly severe virus when
> > she came to us, the vet believes she got it from her mother.
> >
> > So yes, it is possible for a young kitten to test negative. It is also
> > possible to test negative shortly after exposure. That is why they
> recommend
> > retesting even for negatives.
> >
> > Melinda, Fuji, and Voodoo
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Dec 9, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Peggy Verdonck 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > My other cats are all negative!
> > >
> > > But if kittens test is negative now, then he is negative right?  I know
> > > about false positives being common, but not false negatives.
> > >
> > > What kind of risks do you mean by using the Felv vaccine?
> > >
> > > Thanks for your time!
> > >
> > > Peggy
> > >
> > > 2010/12/8 Natalie 
> > >
> > >> You can test at any age, the question is whether the test result will
> be
> > >> correct, or a false positive...
> > >> If you can keep him isolated in your bathroom (the best isolation ward
> > at
> > >> our house) until he is over 3 months old, test result efficacy
> improves.
> > >> Are your other cats negative or positive for FIV/FeLV?
> > >> If they are negative, and kitten proves to be negative - don't use
> FeLV
> > >> vaccine unnecessarily (they, too, pose risks and, as all vaccines, are
> > only
> > >> 80% effective)
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy
> > Verdonck
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:40 PM
> > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.
> > >>
> > >> He is about 10 weeks old, if not older. When I look at some of his
> body
> > >> parts (and testicals ;-) he even seems older then that.
> > >>
> > >> What do you think? Too young for testing, or okay?
> > >>
> > >> I have to go to the vet later this afternoon to pick up a prescription
> > and
> > >> I
> > >> will talk to her about it. I've also send my friend, who is a vet, an
> > >> email,
> > >> and waiting on her answer!
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for your input!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 2010/12/8 Natalie 
> > >>
> > >>> It all depends on the kitten's age - when tested too young, tests can
> > >> have
> > >>> false results.
> > >>>
> > >>> -Original Message-
> > >>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > >>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy
> > Verdonck
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:52 AM
> > >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > >>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.
> > >>>
> > >>> About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on Felv.
> > >> She
> > >>> went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week
> > >> later.
> > >>> She was suffering!
> > >>> We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested
> the
> > >>> same
> > >>> day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living
> > with
> > >>> Oreo for almost a year!
> > >>> To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while.
> > >>>
> > >>> The thing is.we rescued th

Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.

[Heather Wienker]

Hi Peggy,

Here is an example, when I rescued a double positive Mama and her  
kittens, at first (6 weeks old, and pulled from Mom at that point) 2  
tested double positive, the other two positive for Fiv only. A vet and  
another rescuer told me that with kittens from an felv+ Mom sometimes  
they will teat negative at first but then 'go positive'-which  
unfortunatelybdid happen in this case. The ones that initially tested  
+ for fiv only, did go on to test + for felv ( but all cleared the  
fiv) on multiple tests.  All of her kittens succumbed by 6 months to  
just over a year of age, but 3.5 years later, Mama is still going.


There is no "rule" I don't think, this is just an example of how a  
kitten can test negative then turn out to be felv+ after all.  And the  
opposite can happen as well!


Scent from my wireless handheld litterbox =^..^=

On Dec 8, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Melinda Kerr  wrote:

My cat tested negative at 6 weeks old. She did not go out until she  
was 8 months old. Even then she rarely if ever came in contact with  
another cat. She was only out for very short periods close by the  
house. She never came home showing signs of a fight.


Looking back at her medical history, including a fairly severe virus  
when she came to us, the vet believes she got it from her mother.


So yes, it is possible for a young kitten to test negative. It is  
also possible to test negative shortly after exposure. That is why  
they recommend retesting even for negatives.


Melinda, Fuji, and Voodoo

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 9, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Peggy Verdonck > wrote:



My other cats are all negative!

But if kittens test is negative now, then he is negative right?  I  
know

about false positives being common, but not false negatives.

What kind of risks do you mean by using the Felv vaccine?

Thanks for your time!

Peggy

2010/12/8 Natalie 

You can test at any age, the question is whether the test result  
will be

correct, or a false positive...
If you can keep him isolated in your bathroom (the best isolation  
ward at
our house) until he is over 3 months old, test result efficacy  
improves.

Are your other cats negative or positive for FIV/FeLV?
If they are negative, and kitten proves to be negative - don't use  
FeLV
vaccine unnecessarily (they, too, pose risks and, as all vaccines,  
are only

80% effective)

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy  
Verdonck

Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:40 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.

He is about 10 weeks old, if not older. When I look at some of his  
body

parts (and testicals ;-) he even seems older then that.

What do you think? Too young for testing, or okay?

I have to go to the vet later this afternoon to pick up a  
prescription and

I
will talk to her about it. I've also send my friend, who is a vet,  
an

email,
and waiting on her answer!

Thanks for your input!



2010/12/8 Natalie 

It all depends on the kitten's age - when tested too young, tests  
can

have

false results.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy  
Verdonck

Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:52 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.

About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on  
Felv.

She
went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a  
week

later.

She was suffering!
We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all  
tested the

same
day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after  
living with

Oreo for almost a year!
To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while.

The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday  
evening.

Found
him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and  
decided to

take
him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing  
cold.

He is now warm and safe in our bathroom, separated from the rest.
My question is.would it be safe for him and the others, to  
have him
tested for Felv/Fiv and if negative, vaccinate for Felv and  
integrate

into

the group in about 2 weeks.
Againour other cats are negative but there is still a small  
chance

that

there might be a positive test result in the 2nd round of testing!

We really would like to keep him and give a good home. But if it  
appears

to

be a bad idea we will find him a good home with someone else.

Thanks for your thoughts!

Peggy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Helping kitty with extreme congestion

[Heather Wienker]

If no nebulizer you cam do a humidifier or sit kitty in a carrier/ 
bathroom with hot steamy shower. Not as good as a nebulizer but it's  
been suggested to me before.


Scent from my wireless handheld litterbox =^..^=

On Dec 6, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Melinda Kerr  wrote:

As I wrote in my previous post on mixing, my little kitty is  
extremely congested.  The vet has given him antibiotics and anti- 
inflammatory medicine, but since he isn't too interested in eating,  
I am having trouble getting them into him.  I have very limited  
access to medications or natural remedies unless they are homemade  
using easily accessible ingredients.  I read something about saline  
drops or using children's Afrin.  Does anyone have any suggestions?


Thank you,
Melinda and VooDoo


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Re: [Felvtalk] Spanky's chest cavity fluid - rutin?

[Heather]

Rutin was suggested to me for our Mama cat who was in CHF and did have fluid
that was drained--if the Rutin was suggested specifically to help or prevent
fluid accumulation, I did not realize it (she was also on Lasix), but it's
possible--I thought it was supposed to be helpful to the heart in general.
Sorry I do not have the dosage:(   I think you can buy it at vitamin stores?

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Stacy Zacher wrote:

> Hi:
>
> Regarding my previous post about Spanky's fluid in his chest cavity - I
> seem to recall someone was using rutin for fluid - Alice for her Murphy
> maybe? Please let me know if anyone has used it, dosage, where to buy it and
> if it would help at all and provide him some relief without a chest tab. I
> just read an article on the ncbi website about it.
>
> Thanks
> Stacy and Spanky
> stacy_zac...@yahoo.com
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Caesar Please add to the CLS :(

[Heather Clark]

I am so sorry for your loss.  Caesar felt your love and it made his life
better.  I will light a candle in VA to help him on his way.

On Nov 22, 2010 8:41 PM, "Sherry DeHaan"  wrote:

What can I say about this BEAUTIFUL sweet boy,he had the softest most gentle
look in his eyes ALWAYS. And he knew out of ALL the Sids kids he was extra
special to my heart.I got to spend some time with him after my shift
Saturday,and deep in my heart I knew I was not going to see him again.I had
such a hard time leaving that night.I could NOT give him enough kisses on
his beautiful black and white face or tell him I loved him enough times.He
knew he was my special baby.As you all know I love all the Sids kids,but
some melt into your heart just a little more. My heart is so heavy tonight.
:(
Sherry


"We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way"



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Re: [Felvtalk] periactin/cyproheptadine

[Heather]

I had used Cypro before without problems and know it is used widely, but did
notice that some people on the CRF had cats with sensitivities to it.  I
recently tried it for my 15 year old cat and was really glad my vet
suggested trying 1/4 (rather than 1/2 which had always been suggested
before) as it seemed to make her irritable and not feel very good, she was
very vocal.

I think I would definitely start with the lower dose of 1/4.   I've never
heard of it being used 3 times a day, but that doesn't mean it isn't ever
used that frequently.   There is another, Mirtazapine, that I think usually
is used every 3 days.

Good luck!

On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Stacy Zacher  wrote:

> Hi
> My vet just prescribed Spanky with this for an appetite stimulant.  He said
> the recommended dosage is 1/2 tablet 1-3x a day. Others have said they gave
> 1/4 of a tablet every few days.  I'm just wondering about side effects
> (drowsiness) and what others have given as a dosage or their experience with
> it.  I asked him about the liquid form and he said I would have to give 5ccs
> to get the 1tsp dosage so I'll give him the pill form in a gel cap.
>
> Thanks so much,
> Stacy
> stacy_zac...@yahoo.com
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 14:24:17 -0400
> From: Natalie 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how do you search the felv archives?
> Message-ID: <0dd101cb79f1$feae34e0$fc0a9e...@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Sorry, I can't give you info on how to search archives, but I can tell you
> to give Spanky CoQ10 for keeping gums and heart and much more in good
> shape.
> Get the GNC Vegetarian formula; it comes in powder form in capsules - give
> 50mg daily, sprinkled into food (tasteless). All my FIV/FeLV positive and
> heart patient cats get it daily - really works wonders!  If the
> antihistamine "Periactin" in liquid form is still available, it's great for
> stimulating appetite! Natalie
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is gone.

[Heather Clark]

My heart is breaking for you as I read this.  I really felt as though I knew
Murphy through your posts.  I was always anxious to hear how he was doing
and praying for his health.  You are truely an angel for the care you have
given these babies.  They were all blessed to have you.  I will light a
candle in Midlothian, VA for Murphy.  And I will keep Rosie in my prayers.

On Oct 26, 2010 3:52 PM, "dana giordano"  wrote:

Alice, I'm so sorry to hear Murphy passed. He was lucky to have you. It
sounds like he loved you a lot. And you obviously loved him, and was solidly
there for him when he needed you.

I also wanted to thank you so much for sharing the details of his final days
- for me, as a first time Felv+/FIV+ cat owner,  that has been one of the
things I have most been scared of because I have never experienced the death
of an animal and I'm terrified because I'm still trying to understand the
progression of what happens, and am worried and ignorant of how to prepare
for it.  Thank you for shedding a little light on the subject, and in the
process helping me, and others like me attempt to emotionally prepare for
the day we all hope never comes.







On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Bonnie Hogue  wrote:

> Alice
> It saddens m...
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Re: [Felvtalk] Calcitriol

[Heather]

There is also a Yahoo group for Calicitriol discussion.

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Natalie  wrote:

> http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=Calcitriol+for+cats - lots
> of
> info on this page
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 4:50 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Calcitriol
>
> What is Calcitriol?  It was not suggested by my vet when my
> 16 year old cat had CRF.
>
>
> On 10-25, Natalie wrote:
> > I have dealt with many, many renal failure cats - some urine may be quite
> > diluted if cat gets fluids daily; however, those that don't and don't
> drink
> > enough water, the urine can be quite concentrated.  I've also had an
> older
> > cat that didn't get sub-q fluids, and he always peed under himself in his
> > sleep. Every cat and every case is different, even if they all receive
> the
> > same treatment. But since most of the renal failure cats get Calcitriol,
> > their lives have been dramatically changed for the better and longer,
> > without many typical and expected side effects. Natalie
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

[Heather]

I just bought Lysine treats from my vet, I had heard some cats hated them
but have had pretty good luck so far--though they need to eat many so might
get tired of them quickly, and, they are expensive, $20 a pouch.

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Sharyl  wrote:

> Bonnie, I don't know what buffers are used with the tablets.  I buy the
> pure L-lysine powder from www.iHerbs.com .  That
> way I don't have to worry about reactions to buffering agents.  It comes in
> a 1 lb jar.  I use 1/4 tsp (250 mg) per qt. of water or per one 5.5 oz can
> of food.
> Sharyl
>
> --- On Mon, 10/11/10, Bonnie Hogue  wrote:
>
> > From: Bonnie Hogue 
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 11:50 AM
>  > Have been reading lately on here
> > about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a tablet very well (I
> > have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and we
> > had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food.
> > Poor guy vomited it right up -- I mean, back into the feed
> > dishes!
> > So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to
> > half a tab (about 250 mg)?
> > Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to
> > L-Lysine?  Ideas?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on our Lydia

[Heather]

It sounds like she is very jaundiced? (yellow)   Is she being treated?
Sounds like liver failure/hepatic lipidosis.   This is "treatable", but
often deadly if not treated immediately & carefullyit is usually a
somewhat long road to stabilize I believe, though have heard or one or two
making great improvements within a couple of weeks.

Usually they would need to be force feed or have a feeding tube, and would
be an a SAME based med, such as Denosyl or Denamarin.  My vet in these cases
has prescribed  a "cocktail" including other supplements such as arginine
and cartinine...I can't recall what else, and of course don't know what
specifics in the bloodwork may or may not call for particular supplements.

Please pardon if I missed something, as I see mention of her eating on her
own, just worried since it sounds like she is jaundiced, if that was being
treatedI'm at work so read quickly, but if she is jaundiced she
definitely needs to be treated.   Caution in amounts is imperative, there is
an excellent Yahoo group for feline assist feeding I have seen mentioned on
this website, if that is needed.

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Anndrea DeLozier wrote:

> Oh, I guess I hadn't put her name in the first message, so I can see why
> people don't know what I'm talking about :)
>
>
>
> The heading was:
>
> [Felvtalk] Questions about FeLV
>
>
>
> My name came up as:
>
> A D
>
>
>
> And it was posted:
> Tue, 28 Sep 2010 00:26:52 -0700
>
>
>
> Anyway, any idea how much Pet Tinic I should give her?
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on an iron supplement? Liquid seems to be the way to go :)
>
>
>
> Also, and I hope I don't sound too dumb.but can kitty have human blood in a
> transfusion?
>
>
>
> And/Or, can her sister (if she's FeLV negative) donate blood to her?
> Biological sister, not adopted sister :)
>
>
>
> Would a vet do a transfusion from one cat to another? Any idea if it would
> be extremely expensive?
>
>
>
> We are going to be moving 1400 miles away, and we leave on the 15th. It'll
> take a few days to get there. I know that will be stressful on her, is
> there
> anything I can do to make it any less stressful? Like if she rides on
> someone's lap instead of in a crate.or get one of those "calming collars"
> I've seen at Walmart.? They have some kind of pheromone or something on
> them, I think.?
>
>
>
> There will be other cats in crates, and 2 dogs possibly in crates, possibly
> not, but the dogs and this cat get along very well.
>
>
>
> She has continued to eat baby food.not a ton, but some.and she urinated the
> other day (on the floor - missed the box, I guess) and it was a very
> "string" yellow color, but not orange, brown, or red.like a.hi-liter
> yellow,
> but really concentrated. Like if you hi-lited the same spot on a piece of
> paper over and over.hope that makes some sense.lol.
>
>
>
> She's still real yellow-skinned (and paw pads and nose and gums). She has
> been more alert the last few days, but still not active much.
>
>
>
> The vet she saw was very sure that she won't make it. He kept saying he has
> seen cats with the levels in her bloodwork, and it never turns out good. I
> don't expect a miracle (thought it would be nice), but if she can live for
> a
> while, and not be in pain or discomfort, I have to try.ya know?
>
>
>
> If she makes it until the 15th, and makes the trip, I will be looking for a
> vet that is maybe a bit more optimistic.but realistic, too.
>
>
>
> Oh.and guess what? She was purring for me the other morning :) That was the
> first time I'd heard/felt that in a while.
>
>
>
> She seems to not want to be warm. She won't stay under the covers at night
> like she used to, prefers the bare wood floor to the soft beds, and we even
> found her in the empty bathtub yesterday.  Most of her day is spent in the
> top of a tall laundry basket, laying on a fleece blanket. At night she
> sleeps at the foot of our bed.
>
>
>
> Anyway, any more info, encouragement, ideas, etc. are greatly appreciated
> :)
>
>
>
> ~Anndrea
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Charlie to the CLS list

[Heather Clark]

What a sweet and precious angel.  I candle will be lit in VA tonight to help
him find his way.

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Beth  wrote:

> Charlie was a little Flame Pt. Siamese mix kitten with Medium super soft
> hair. He was a joy to have around & purred constantly. Charlie
>  lost his battle with FeLV this morning. He had been going down hill for
>  a week or so, but had a good night last night where his rescue mom got
> to visit & he ate almost a whole jar of baby food. This morning,
> however, he hardly ate anything, even with an appetite stimulant. His
> 3rd eyelids were up & he would have to rest after walking only a few
>  feet. He was not in my life for long, but he made a big
> impression on me & his rescue mom. We love you little boy!You can see pics
> of Charlie on the FeLV Cats FD page at: http://tinyurl.com/27gdqas
>
> Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] please add Tiger to the CLS

[Heather Clark]

A candle will burn in Richmond, VA for Tiger.  Tiger didn't blame you, you
cant blame yourself.  They are so good at hiding their sickness.  It is hard
to notice when they don't have physical symptoms.  He knows he was loved!

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:57 PM, LauraM  wrote:

> Tiger didn't have FeLV, but he passed away last night, much too soon. He
> was thirteen. I'd had him for three years.  He was always a gentleman & a
> loving, sweet boy. Three weeks ago we went to the vet. Something was wrong;
> he was sluggish and not eating well. It turns out he had a large abcess in
> his throat. The abcess was lanced, a whole lot of dead tissue was removed,
> we were sent home with antibiotics and everyone thought things would be
> fine. They weren't - there was a second vet visit last Monday, the abcess
> was drained again & he was given more fluids. Tiger was hospitalized this
> Monday. The abcess wouldn't clear up, and even though he was given a
> stronger antibiotic he just couldn't fight the infection. I visited him
> yesterday and he ate for me and purred and purred. I didn't want to get my
> hopes up too high, but I still wasn't expecting my vet to call this morning
> & give me the news that he'd died. I thought maybe we had a little bit of a
>  chance. It turns out that Tiger had a hole in his esophagus; he must have
> ingested something that cut him. I would give anything to have him back with
> me.
> I wish I had taken him in sooner. He'd been quiet this summer, and not
> sleeping with me at night like he normally did, but everybody was quiet this
> summer because the house was so warm. Nobody else was snuggling with me on
> the bed either. I didn't pick up on the little signs that he wasn't feeling
> well. If I had, he might still be alive today.
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

[Heather]

Yes, she will be spayed regardless of the outcome, we've spayed/neutered all
FELV+ rescues in the past but wanted to wait till her restet, she is not
with any other cats so we will retest & spay her soon.

Thank you all for the input!!!

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Beth  wrote:

> Heather I went through this with my 1st FeLV. I was hesitant to spay her,
> but when she went into heat (I'd never seen ANY cat in heat before) I
> figured the stress of that was far worse than the stress of the spay. She
> needs to be spayed regardless of the outcome of the retest.
> Beth
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>
> --- On Fri, 8/27/10, Heather  wrote:
>
> From: Heather 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 12:15 PM
>
> Hello,
>
> Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested
> FIV/FELV positive (the FELV was that controversial "light" positive) and is
> awaiting retest, of course we did not want to stress her immune system so
> were waiting to spay her (just found her a couple of weeks ago) but I was
> worried this would likely happen, she is in heat.  I would guess that is
> also a stress to her system, but am not really sure what we should do.
>
> I am a rescuer & highly involved with feral cats/TNR so spay/neuter is
> always a priority but of course the hopes of clearing the FELV is right now
> the biggest hope for this little girl's lifeany input is appreciated.
> I
> asked my vet and she really wasn't certain what to advise & is going to get
> back to me.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Heather
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

[Heather]

This is very helpful Michelle, thank you!!!

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Michelle Brockman wrote:

>
> Hi Heather,
>
> I also do TNR so I know where you're coming from. We actually had this same
> situation happen to us a couple months ago with our 5 mo old kitten we
> plucked from a colony that tested 'light' positive. We only test ferals if
> we can find them a home (like kittens). Anyway, our vet said that since we
> were keeping her indoors and secluded it would be best to NOT spay her until
> we retest in 2 months because the spay and vaccines WOULD weaken the immune
> system further. And if she did test postive after the the 2 months he
> suggested not spaying her at all and just keeping her indoors.
>
> Thankfully she tested negative after the two months and did get spayed but
> the urgency from the vet was to not do anything that would 'shock' her
> system and make her immune system weaker.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
>
>
> Michelle Brockman
> "It is when we forget ourselves that we do the things which will be
> remembered"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:15:43 -0400
> > From: furrygi...@gmail.com
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?
>  >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested
> > FIV/FELV positive (the FELV was that controversial "light" positive) and
> is
> > awaiting retest, of course we did not want to stress her immune system so
> > were waiting to spay her (just found her a couple of weeks ago) but I was
> > worried this would likely happen, she is in heat. I would guess that is
> > also a stress to her system, but am not really sure what we should do.
> >
> > I am a rescuer & highly involved with feral cats/TNR so spay/neuter is
> > always a priority but of course the hopes of clearing the FELV is right
> now
> > the biggest hope for this little girl's lifeany input is appreciated.
> I
> > asked my vet and she really wasn't certain what to advise & is going to
> get
> > back to me.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Heather
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

[Heather]

Thank you both VERY much for this extremely helpful input--and for
a quick answer for now on one important aspect I absolutely agree on, we
only test rescues/friendlies who we are trying to find homes for, or ferals
who are being treated for serious medical conditions/seeking indoor
placement, etc.  We do not routinely test TNR ferals & also discourage the
practice of doing so, or ever test TNR ferals unless they might not be going
back out or sometimes on a cat in really bad shape the clinic might insist
on it & pay for it (still leaving any decisions to us).

My vet has helped us with a number of FIV & FELV+ cats but I guess the
situation of one in heat when awaiting retesting hasn't come up before.

It has only been 2 weeks since she was first tested but I also considered
just going ahead and re-testing now and using that info to decide on whether
to proceed with spay or not.  I just didn't want to jinx myself by retesting
so soon (I know, jinxes are not scientific so it sounds silly, but my life
seems to so full of them or just bad luck that I worry!)

This sweet little kitty also has a huge objection to the drawing of
blood...it is quite stressful for her.  I'm at work so will re-read & read
the links, thanks for sending!

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:36 PM, MaryChristine wrote:

> if she was tested on the new HW/FIV/FeLV test, you cannot trust the
> result. find a vet who has a stock of the old, FIV/FeLV-only test--if
> you can find one, and retest NOW. in checking with MANY rescues and
> shelters across the country, we have only found one true positive in
> any cat tested with the new test: way below the natural distribution.
>
> if you do that, the rest of your questions will be moot.
>
> BUT:
>
> here's the info on the faint/slight positives, directly from IDEXX,
> who held the exclusive patent on the SNAP technology til last november
> (tho i'm not sure how come there were cheaper, less accurate tests out
> there...) http://tinyurl.com/No-Faint-Positives
>
> a cat doesn't clear the virus so much as not truly become
> infected--the ELISA and IFA test for exposure (antigens), not
> infection (antibodies).
>
> send your vet this link (after thanking her PROFUSELY for caring
> enough to look into it): http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines
>
> she sounds like a great vet, and she'll probably check out the merck
> veterinary manual that talks about how many cats do NOT remain
> viremic. i've posted that before, so an archive check will bring it up.
>
> some folks think that the stress of pregnancy and nursing is much
> greater on a FeLV mom than that of spaying. but first you need to find
> out if she's REALLY testing positive for exposure.
>
> have you all read the guidelines about testing/re-releasing true
> FIV/FeLV positives? many TNR groups no longer bother testing, they
> just treat all asymptomatic cats as that: healthy cats. last time i
> looked it up, i just did it through a search engine.
>
> wordy as ever,
> MC
> --
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> Maybe That'll Make The Difference....
>
> MaryChristine
> Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org
> )
> Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Heather  wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested
> > FIV/FELV positive
>
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[Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

[Heather]

Hello,

Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested
FIV/FELV positive (the FELV was that controversial "light" positive) and is
awaiting retest, of course we did not want to stress her immune system so
were waiting to spay her (just found her a couple of weeks ago) but I was
worried this would likely happen, she is in heat.  I would guess that is
also a stress to her system, but am not really sure what we should do.

I am a rescuer & highly involved with feral cats/TNR so spay/neuter is
always a priority but of course the hopes of clearing the FELV is right now
the biggest hope for this little girl's lifeany input is appreciated.  I
asked my vet and she really wasn't certain what to advise & is going to get
back to me.

Thanks!

Heather
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[Heather Clark]

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[Felvtalk] Please add Theo to CLC list

[Heather Clark]

This sweet little orange baby was found starving in a ditch at a  few weeks
old.  We got him as well as we could but he never managed to be symptom
free.  We gave him lots of love and hopefully made his short life better.
 He succumbed to his illness today at only five months old.  It's amazing
how much they touch your hearts in such a short time.
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Re: [Felvtalk] False positives with snap test?

[Heather]

One of our large local cat rescue groups also said they have had a ton of
"bad tests"/false positives lately.

If this is characteristic of these tests, something needs to be done--many
lives will be lost, most do not retest whether due to lack of resources, or
simply lack of knowledge.

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 6:41 PM, LauraM  wrote:

> We had two cats test positive for FeLV at our shelter yesterday. Today we
> found out that the new snap tests (the ones that test for heartworm also)
> have been associated with a higher number of false positives. I'm wondering
> how many of you have had experience with this, since one of these cats is a
> five year old neutered 20-pounder who's never been around other cats and has
> never been outside, and so I was a little surprised at the positive result.
> We would like to retest them but can't find any tests of the older type.
> Desperation is setting in because if we can't find somewhere else for them
> to go, and we have only yesterday's results to rely on, both will go down on
> Tuesday. If any of you can give me more info, I'd really appreciate it; I
> can then relay that to my director and maybe buy them another week. Thanks!!
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