Re: [Felvtalk] Missing Maizee

2008-11-15 Thread Marylyn
She is there but in a much different form.  She is especially close  
when times are sad.  Please talk to her.  YOu will be surprised.
On Nov 15, 2008, at 7:21 AM, Sherry DeHaan wrote:

 Three years ago today my Maizee Grace left this world. :( Sometimes  
 it seems like yesterday that my beautiful baby girl was still here  
 with me.
 She is the reason that I volunteer at Sids(felv,fiv cat sanctuary).I  
 have had the honor to love MANY wonderful babies in the last 3  
 years.Each and every one of them have a special place in my heart.
 Thank you Maizee

 Sherry



 We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
 than our own,
 Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
 Unable to accept its awful gaps.
 We still would have it no other way



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Re: [Felvtalk] So now what?

2008-11-15 Thread Marylyn
Please check with a holistic vet if that fits into your belief system  
and feed the absolute best diet you can.  It does not have to be the  
most expensive, but one full of vitamins (C especially--grind up  
veggies and mix with the food).  Avoid grains.  Stick with this  
group.  People don't always agree and belief systems vary but the  
information and support is great and will help you find your way.
On Nov 15, 2008, at 8:17 AM, Pat Kachur wrote:

 Hi Lisa - In my opinion you are doing the right thing.  I have 7  
 cats; one,
 who I adopted in July 2007 at about age 5, is positive.  My other  
 cats are
 all adults.  I discussed thoroughly with my vet, who said the  
 vaccine is
 more than 90% effecttive and that it is very unlikely my healthy  
 adult cats
 would be affected.  So, a year and four months later--all are  
 healthy.  The
 positive cat has no symptoms, other than being deaf (which may or  
 may not be
 caused by the leukemia).  I am very glad that I did what I did.   
 Mandy (the
 positive kitty) is the most wonderful, loving kitty I have ever had.


 Pat


 - Original Message -
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 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 8:47 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] So now what?




 My kitten tested positive on his IFA test. My vet told me I should
 keep him isolated, or euthanize him. I couldn't do the latter, and
 isolating him ... well, I think that would just stress everyone out
 even more. So after calling a good friend while sitting outside of
 the vet's office last night, in tears, he's still with me, with my
 other cats, and I'm treating him for his diarrhea. My other cats have
 been vaccinated - my girl had her booster last month, and my other  
 boy
 is going in on Thursday for his booster. He's the one I'm concerned
 about. He's the absolute LOVE of my life. But he's the picture of
 health, and I intend to keep it that way.

 Please just tell me that I can do this ... that I'm doing the right
 thing.

 Lisa
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Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea

2008-11-14 Thread Marylyn
Check with a holistic vet in addition to your regular vet if you can.   
I credit Dixie's life to the cooperation between both types of vets  
here in Louisville.  I have two boys now who are very healthy (thank  
God) and who have tested negative.  I still use both types of vets  
with them.  They came from a pine thicket so have a questionable  
background..thanks to my vets, they are flourishing.

Good luck.
On Nov 14, 2008, at 8:42 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:


 Even if the lab test comes back positive, since he's a kitten, make  
 sure you retest later.  I reccommend 3 months.

 I have never mixed b/c I've only had 1 felv at a time and had a room  
 for that cat, but I have let the cat out in the house to roam while  
 the others are put away so technically, they have shared spaces-  
 but never food or water or litter boxes.  I have never had any later  
 retest as felv due to that exposure.  My own opinion is that felv is  
 not transmitted as easily as believed in the past.  In fact, I am  
 starting to think it's more akin to FIV where the contact has to be  
 very direct, like a deep bite wound, or transmission through birth.   
 Again, that's my own opinion just based on experience and my own  
 self education and I know other list members and vets will disagree,  
 so in the end, it's always up to you to do what's best for the cat.

 caroline kaufmann  Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:13:22 -0500 From: [EMAIL 
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  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2  
 month old kitten with diarrhea  Lisa  It is good that you have a  
 vet who is willing to work with you. I am one of those on this list  
 who mixed my cats. By the time I knew I had a problem all my cats  
 had been exposed for months. Since stress management is very  
 important it would seem wise not to upset the kitten by separating  
 him. That being said he will also be exposed to anything your cats  
 might get as well.  There are many treatments should the IFA test  
 be positive as well. Also sometimes kittens can throw the virus. I  
 too have used probiotics for my cats. Some find pumpkin to be  
 useful for diarreah.  Sally  --  Sally, Eric (not a  
 cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Speedy,  
 Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter,  
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Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea

2008-11-14 Thread Marylyn
Try Feliway spray to calm him and Rescue Remedy in his water.  Believe  
it or not, pumpkin (not pie filling but plain canned pumpkin) mixed in  
canned kitten/cat food will help with the diarrhea.  (Per several vets  
and personal experience with Copper and Thomas Cougar-Kitten).
On Nov 14, 2008, at 8:36 AM, Chris wrote:

 Lisa--good for you for taking such good care of this little guy.   
 And you
 have come to the right place for help--folks here are the most  
 knowledgeable
 I've ever found.  I've mixed and never had a problem.  Also, it is  
 always
 possible that a kitten can throw off the virus so you may want to  
 retest
 several months from now if the IFA is pos.  And know that no matter  
 what
 happens, you will never never never regret letting that little ball  
 of fur
 into your heart...

 Christiane Biagi
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Borden
 Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:25 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea



   Thank you so much, Jane. Any and all advice is welcomed. I'm very
 new to this, and have been going between feeling hopeful about
 things, and bursting into tears. I love him so much. I'm on pins and
 needles waiting for my vet to call with the test results.

   Lisa
 On Fri 14/11/08 7:06 AM , Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
  Hi Lisa
 Forti-Flora will be fine for a kitten. I used it successfully with
 mine.
 I am rushing out and will write more later.
 Jane
 On Nov 14, 2008, at 12:55 AM, Lisa Borden wrote:

 I am so happy to have found this list. Two weeks ago, I took in a
 3
 month old kitten. He's a beautiful orange kitten and I've fallen
 in
 love with him. Yesterday I took him to the vet for his vaccines,
 and
 we ran an FeLV/FIV snap test. It came back positive for FeLV. We
 sent off the other test (IFA?) to the lab and I await those
 results.

 I have two other cats - one is almost 4 (male) and one is 2
 (female). They have both been vaccinated against FeLV. My male in
 particular has become close with the kitten. it proved to be
 impractical to isolate the kitten as he just cried and cried ...
 and
 escaped every time I opened the door. So I decided to supervise
 them,
 make sure they don't fight, keep a clean litterbox, etc. and I
 just
 let him back out with my other cats. From the couple of posts I
 have
 read, I see I am not the only one. And my vet was so adament about
 keeping the baby isolated.

 He does have diarrhea, and I was looking at probiotics. Can
 something like Fortiflora harm him if he does have a compromised
 immune system? I understand I would be giving him good bacteria
 to
 balance things out. He was negative for worms.

 Thank you for any info, and I look forward to the group,
 regardless
 of the test results. My kitten is active, and is a LOVE ... and he
 isn't going anywhere!

 Lisa
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Re: [Felvtalk] New member, advice needed please!

2008-10-24 Thread Marylyn
Of course he has a chance.  Please remember none of us are guaranteed  
any specific time on this earth.  All we can hope/pray for is to be  
cared for and loved...Tora has that.  Please do not focus on  
what may happen but care for Tora and enjoy his love.  I do know what  
I am talking about.  I learned from the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and  
my Junior Partner, Dixie Louise Doodle Katt.  The lessons are hard but  
very important.  You are doing wonderfully.  Tora is cared for and  
knows lovewhat more can any of us ask for?

Blessings to you all and, most of all, peace.
On Oct 24, 2008, at 8:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 amanda,  since you are using vets, acupuncture and holistic, that is  
 about all we can do.  try praying.  God can work miracles if that is  
 in His plan.  at least, He can give you the strength to get thru  
 this.  dorlis
  amanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi , my kitten ' 'Tora' aged about 5 months was diagnosed with FeLV  
 yesterday, he was sick since last friday which I mistaked for food  
 poisoning! That time he had antibiotics and interferon injection  
 and sub fluids which helped him alot, he had swollen lypm node on  
 one side of throat which got much better, but on Tuesday he started  
 getting ill again, quiet ect, so yesterday we tested for FeLV and  
 he come out full possitive. I live in Japan and they suggested  
 interefon injections for the next five days and sub fluids with  
 vitamins and antibiotics, since yesterday he hasn`t been eating,  
 has been dribbling sometimes and looks like he has inflamation of  
 the intestines, when we touch him, he cries in pain.  My husband is  
 an accupunturist and we are doing that too and I asking the advice  
 of a homeopath too. Is there anything else that I can try? Will he  
 have a chance to pull through?  It`s not the first time I`ve had  
 FeLV possitive cats, I had two before, one lived a long normal life  
 and the other pulled through the first bout of sickness like Tora,  
 maybe not as bad, but I remember she didn`t eat for days too! But I  
 lost her to Lymphoma cancer a year later.  Any advice help,  
 information would be truely appreciated!! hugs and purrs Amanda and  
 Tora.
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Re: [Felvtalk] seeking home for adult feluk positive

2008-10-23 Thread Marylyn
And he should be.  Perhaps someone on the list can advise how to  
introduce them.  I've introduced a lot of cats without problems but  
not with the concerns you have.  I can tell you that Feliway spray has  
done wonders for me.  The plug ins do nothing but others have had  
different experiences.
On Oct 23, 2008, at 4:55 PM, Viky Digangi wrote:

 I know and that is the main thing with me adopting this new 9 month  
 old kitten.  My felv cat, Mickey, is NOT happy about it and I worry  
 about what the stress of another cat will have on him.  If he hadn't  
 just had that malignant tumor removed I might not worry so much but  
 no matter how much I want to help this little kitten, he is still my  
 priority as long as he lives.



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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/23/2008 4:51 PM 
 looks like we need to start an adoption group for felv cats.  i just  
 adopted 2 cats and found one is positive.  i wouldn't mind taking on  
 2 or 3 more, but Annie is having trouble accepting just one other  
 cat in HER home.  dorlis
  Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Looks like it.

 How's your FeLv population anyway?  (I have a lovely sweet FeLV+  
 girl --light orange/buff tabby -- living outside a house I just  
 rented in need of a home.)


 --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] seeking home for adult feluk positive
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 Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 8:34 PM
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Re: [Felvtalk] seeking home for adult feluk positive

2008-10-23 Thread Marylyn
Check it out on line.   It has an odor (I can't detect it) that helps  
put them at ease.  Kitty Katt (my father's cat, he died, my mother's  
cat, she became unable to care for Kitty, my very unwilling cat) hid  
for 3 months at my home.  I started using it on me and she finally  
started coming out once I laid down on the floor to sleep (her level,  
less threatening etc---slept there for 3 months trying to get her  
out).  Finally she decided she was safe and able to rule as she had  
never ruled before.  I am using it with Copper and Thomas (feral  
kittens) to teach them what they can and can't scratch, get them used  
to changes etc.  It works wonders for me.  Others may have had  
different experiences.  My vets, both regular and holistic, use it in  
cat boarding areas, exam areas, high stress situations.

Again, I understand the issue with Mickey.  You belong to him  
and ...well, that says it all.
On Oct 23, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Viky Digangi wrote:

 I'm not familiar with Feliway spray.If Mickey wasn't sick I  
 would just let them tough it out until they got used to each other.   
 They are not fighting but he wants to sit on something up high and  
 doesn't want me holding him.  He punishes me.



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 Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/23/2008 5:00 PM 
 And he should be.  Perhaps someone on the list can advise how to
 introduce them.  I've introduced a lot of cats without problems but
 not with the concerns you have.  I can tell you that Feliway spray has
 done wonders for me.  The plug ins do nothing but others have had
 different experiences.
 On Oct 23, 2008, at 4:55 PM, Viky Digangi wrote:

 I know and that is the main thing with me adopting this new 9 month
 old kitten.  My felv cat, Mickey, is NOT happy about it and I worry
 about what the stress of another cat will have on him.  If he hadn't
 just had that malignant tumor removed I might not worry so much but
 no matter how much I want to help this little kitten, he is still my
 priority as long as he lives.



 Viky Digangi
 Support Enforcement Officer II
 Monroe Regional Office
 318-362-5280 ext 297
 Fax 318-362-3363




 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/23/2008 4:51 PM 
 looks like we need to start an adoption group for felv cats.  i just
 adopted 2 cats and found one is positive.  i wouldn't mind taking on
 2 or 3 more, but Annie is having trouble accepting just one other
 cat in HER home.  dorlis
  Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Looks like it.

 How's your FeLv population anyway?  (I have a lovely sweet FeLV+
 girl --light orange/buff tabby -- living outside a house I just
 rented in need of a home.)


 --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Re: [Felvtalk] seeking home for adult feluk positive

2008-10-23 Thread Marylyn
RR is very helpful.  So is some fresh catnip pots to share.   If they  
like fresh catnip, they will be so busy rolling around, they will be  
too busy to fuss.  I have a large (24+ inch diameter) goat food pan  
rollers.  It is full of catnip plants.  They can get up in the pan and  
enjoy them.
On Oct 23, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Laurieskatz wrote:

 I am trying to introduce Tessa, a rescue kitty, to my five. Since I  
 plugged
 in the Feliway there is less hissing. Another thing I am going to  
 try is
 rubbing Bach's Rescue Remedy inside the ears of my 3 upset cats and  
 Tess
 (not into the ear canal but in the upper hairless area). Things are
 improving. She is still behind a dog gate but has about 1/3 of the  
 house
 now...gradualthey have all seen her and she them. Frankie is  
 blind so I
 am not sure how aware he is of her presence.
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Re: [Felvtalk] update on Mickey

2008-10-21 Thread Marylyn
My typical comments on situations that look bad:  see if you can find  
an alternative vet.  Mine has increased the quality of life for four  
of my wonderful friends and the new kittens, Copper and Thomas, see  
one just to make sure they are getting everything they need (they came  
from a pine thicket and very questionable background healthwise.   
Obviously their mothers cared a lot for them because they were brought  
behind my Mom's home where they would be found and given everything.)   
Next, do not dwell on what may be.  None of us are guaranteed a minute  
of life.  The goal, IMO, is to have the highest quality of life  
possible with all the love possible.

Blessings to you and your Mickey.  You are both blessed to have each  
other.
On Oct 21, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Sharyl wrote:

 Vicky, I'm sorry about the dx.  I've never had a cancer kitty so  
 can't offer any advise.  You plan to keep Mickey happy sounds like a  
 good one.
 Sharyl

 --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Viky Digangi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Viky Digangi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Felvtalk] update on Mickey
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 2:29 PM

 I sent this earlier but I don't think it went through.  I wrote a  
 couple of
 weeks ago that my cat, Mickey, was going to have a growth removed  
 from his leg
 that kept bleeding.  The biopsy came back as malignant hemangio  
 sarcoma. Even
 though it was on the skin and the doctor said he was 99% sure he got  
 it all, I
 have been told that it will probably come back in his lungs or  
 heart.  I
 don't think I want to put him through chemo if it does.  I want him  
 to have
 as many good days as he can.



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Re: [Felvtalk] New to group

2008-10-18 Thread Marylyn
Try Rescue Remedy on her long before you take her to the vet.  I am a  
fan of PetzLife's products.  A couple of us have listed holistic vets  
who will consult by phone if you don;t have one locally.

Do not fixate on  what may happen.  Focus on the present and the  
wonderful little friend you have.  The future is no guaranteed to any  
of us.

Blessings to you and to her.
On Oct 18, 2008, at 8:22 PM, Tracey wrote:

 Hello,
I have to say this is a very enlightening forum. I have learned  
 so much
 from you all!  I found a stray 2 months ago at work who was in  
 terrible condition,
 near death, starving, fleas, worms, etc.  She had a 'tipped' ear and  
 I found out
 later she was an Indy Feral cat who was in the TNR program.  Don't  
 know whether
 she was actually 'feral' though, but I doubt it because she has  
 become quite lovable.
 Had her tested at a low cost clinic and was +.  The vet there said  
 her teeth didn't
 look so good and that was typical in feral cats.
When I took her to my regular vet, he somehow neglected to even  
 look in her
 mouth and he said as a + she'd live a couple months to a year,  
 giving a very grim
 diagnosis.  I tried not to prod at her too much at first since she  
 was in such a
 delicate condition, but about a week after the vet appt, I noticed  
 she was missing
 all of her tiny teeth on the top and all but one of the little ones  
 on the bottom.  I was
 horrified and it was then realized that my vet hadn't even looked in  
 her mouth.
 After nursing her back to health, she has become very healthy except  
 for some
 sneezing spells every now and then.  This does worry me because  
 sometimes
 mucus comes out.  She had extreme uncontrollable diarrhea
 when I first got her, which after using fortiflora for a month  
 helped a lot, but did
 not cure it completely.  For the last week I have been feeding her a  
 raw chicken
 diet (I have been feeding my other 3 cats this diet since February  
 with amazing results)
 and her diarrhea is completely gone.
So she's been in my bathroom isolated from my other cats this  
 entire time, and she
 really does seem to be happy there but I hate to keep them  
 separated.  I am getting
 ready to take her to the vet again to have her teeth checked out  
 because her breath
 is really terrible (seeing a different vet there though).   I am  
 worried about stressing her
 out by taking her to the vet and I know they will recommend a  
 cleaning which will
 probably stress her even more, but having an unhealthy mouth would  
 be worse on
 her than the experience of a cleaning.  Right?
I have 3 other (negative) cats, 2 are adults and one is about 1  
 year and 5 months
 (I guess you'd call her an adult, she did just have her 2nd dose of  
 the felv vax)  These
 2 vets say they would absolutely NOT mix.
 My question to all of you who mix is: Have any of your negatives  
 become + ??  Any advice
 would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: [Felvtalk] holistic medicine/veterinarins

2008-10-17 Thread Marylyn
Dr. Maier is wonderful.  The other vet I mentioned was Dr. E. A  
Boswell..502.499.9663.  Both are wonderful
On Oct 17, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:


 http://www.horizonvetserv.com/

 Dr. Maier.  She does phone and email consultations.  She treated my  
 Monkee in the last weeks he was with me.  No saving him, but her  
 treatments made him more comfortable in those last days I do believe.

 caroline kaufmann  Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:50:14 -0500 From: [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] holistic  
 medicine/veterinarins  Help! gave all my info to vet and need  
 names and contact info of holistic vets that do phone consultations.  
 got results of Annie's confirmation test and she has it in her bone  
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Re: [Felvtalk] My Little Leo

2008-10-17 Thread Marylyn

On Oct 17, 2008, at 11:09 PM, Marylyn wrote:

 I am so sorry.  I know how awful it is to lose one, especially one  
 so young and wonderful.  I still miss my Dixie and her sweet meows  
 and cuddles at night.  She sent me two little kittens to purr and  
 nap with.  When it is time, Leo may be so generous.  He knows how  
 full of love your heart is and is so grateful for your care and love.
 On Oct 17, 2008, at 1:52 PM, Fournier, Jill E wrote:

 Please say your prayers for my little Leo who passed away last  
 week.  He was 5 years old and finally lost the battle to this awful  
 disease.  We buried him in the woods he loved to roam.  I go to his  
 grave everyday and cry.  I miss his little meow and him sleeping  
 with me..

 Jill Fournier
 Research Administration Manager
 University of Pittsburgh
 Department of Surgery
 F1263.2 PUH
 Phone:  412-647-8141
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bijou,Cody,Murdoch and London

2008-10-16 Thread Marylyn
Blessings to them and all who care about them.
On Oct 16, 2008, at 9:15 PM, Laurieskatz wrote:

 Done

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry  
 DeHaan
 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:05 PM
 To: Felvtalk; Felvot groups
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Bijou,Cody,Murdoch and London

 Hi all could you please add these 4 Sids kids to your prayers.3 are  
 battling
 high temps and Bijou is struggling with her eyesight.Just keep them  
 in your
 thoughts.Thank you.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Grumpy Gus is gone

2008-10-16 Thread Marylyn
Bless you for loving Gus and giving him all the things all critters  
should have.
On Oct 16, 2008, at 10:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The abandoned Former Grey Tom Cat that I took in and called Grumpy  
 Gus
 or Gus for short, has passed on, this disease is horrible, the  
 list of
 issues he had are long. He sounded like two cats fighting when he  
 meows.
 He was loved, inside, well fed and had Vet care, unlike so many that  
 do
 not in the care of Companions.

 Please add him to Mondays list please.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Lost my Jack-Jack today

2008-10-14 Thread Marylyn
This is so awful for you but Jack-Jack had a wonderful life because  
you cared.
On Oct 14, 2008, at 5:48 PM, Wendy Griebel wrote:

 My little furbaby Jack-Jack crossed the bridge today. He had cancer  
 and
 was not responding to treatment. We will miss him greatly.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Piggee Piggee is gone

2008-10-13 Thread Marylyn
It is awful losing them.  You are doing good though and you have to  
know that in your heart.
On Oct 13, 2008, at 7:56 PM, Sally Davis wrote:

 Caroline

 I am so very sorry. Youe Piggee  sounds like such a wonderful cat.  
 He knows
 he was loved by you and your vet. He is now happy and whole. Playing  
 with
 Monkee, Possee, and Brumley.

 Hugs

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Re: [Felvtalk] New to Group

2008-10-13 Thread Marylyn
The holistic vets I consult use a lot of vitamin C too.
On Oct 13, 2008, at 8:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:

 Puritan's Pride is a good source.  i trust their products.  L Lysine  
 is good.  also echinea, and my personal favorite is vitamin E.  i  
 use it for everything.  just not sure about cats.  things that never  
 hurt dogs and other animals can do them in.  we all need to start  
 searching for reliable sources of info on herbs, oils, etc.  when  
 you read about all the side effcts of man made meds, makes you  
 wonder if we should trust them.  dorlis
  Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You Are at the right place for advice. It will vary from person to  
 person. I
 am so glad you took Macy into your home. Lessening stress is  
 important.
 Feeding a high quality diet the best you can afford. I say that bc  
 the best
 that I could afford was different from what other folks feed. Immune
 boosters are a start. Since many of these cats also have FHV L  
 Lysine is a
 good start and may alleviate her upper respiratory symptoms. At any  
 rate it
 will not do any harm and is inexpensive. I got mine from Puritans  
 Pride. I
 ordered capsules 500mg. You can mix it with wet food. One or two  
 per day
 depending on symptoms. Well I have to run to work. You will get more
 information I am sure.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 7

2008-10-12 Thread Marylyn
Bless you and him.  I suspect he will give you a wonderful life.  You  
are definitely giving him one.
On Oct 12, 2008, at 8:01 AM, catatonya wrote:

 I would not worry about mixing in this situation. jmo based on my  
 experience of over 10 years of dealing with mixing.
  tonya

 Carolyn Rauschert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Dorlis,

 I took in a FELV+ male cat last May. He was a stray who wanted to  
 come in,
 but wasn't neutered. He became deathly sick after he was neutered by  
 the
 Humane Society. They did not test him first. Since I felt  
 responsible, I
 took him in to nurse. I doctored him the best I could and he has  
 thrived. I
 kept him apart from my other 4 female negative cats for three  
 months. Now I
 am letting him out for a good part of the day. He goes in his room  
 at night
 (he has his own bedroom) and I feed him separate as best I can.. All  
 my
 other cats have been vaccinated for years. I could not keep him  
 locked up
 forever. Single MOM.Carolyn
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Re: [Felvtalk] Help my Mickey

2008-10-12 Thread Marylyn
If you don't have one I know of two that do phone consultations.  I  
prefer to have my friends checked out personally but Dr. EA Boswell  
(Louisville, Ky)  is the alternative vet for my two little ones and  
has been for several who have left this world.  My regular vets  
referred me to her in 1996.  Dr. Susan Maier, Simpsonville, Ky. is  
another very good alternative vet.  Both hold DVMs but chose to  
practice holistically.  Dr. Boswell is well known in show horse  
circles and has worked with the Louisville Zoo.  Both are very well  
qualified and respected.
On Oct 12, 2008, at 7:56 PM, Viky Digangi wrote:

 Marylyn,

 No I don't think there is a homeopathic vet in my area but I will  
 check into that.  Thank you for responding.  I have never regretted  
 keeping Mickey.  He has brought me so much pleasure and I thank God  
 for every day I have with him.  He is a little black and white  
 tuxedo cat who weighs a whopping 7 pounds.


 Viky Digangi
 Support Enforcement Officer II
 Monroe Regional Office
 318-362-5280 ext 297
 Fax 318-362-3363



 Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/12/08 7:49 PM 
 Do you have access to a homeopathic/alternative vet?  If so, check
 about a consultation.  Dixie was treated by both her regular vets and
 an alternative vet.  I credit both with her quality of life.  I am so
 very grateful he has had so long with you and hope he has many more.
 You are definately doing something very right.  Know that in your
 heart and in your mind.
 On Oct 12, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Viky Digangi wrote:

 I adopted Mickey when he was about 5 months old and found out he was
 positive for felv.  For 8 years he displayed no signs of the virus
 until last December when he fell in the garage about 8 feet and did
 not land on his feet. Although he was not seriously hurt this
 apparently triggered something with the virus.  He became lethargic
 and would not eat.  My vet at the time began a series of the immuno
 regulen shots and after about 3 months began giving them to him
 every two weeks.

 Last week I awoke to find flood all over my bed and followed the
 trail of blood drops through the house to Mickey.  He had an adenoma
 on his back leg (which I had not noticed) which burst open.  I took
 him to the vet I currently have and he said normally he would
 perform surgery to remove it but in Mickey's condition surgery would
 be dangerous for him.  The adenoma had stopped bleeding by now so I
 said ok.  It was fine all week until yesterday and it burst open
 again.  He cannot keep losing blood this way and I was wondering if
 anyone else had encountered a situation like this.I thought of
 asking my vet if he would switch Mickey to prednisone to see if that
 would promote healing.

 Any suggestions?


 Viky Digangi

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Re: [Felvtalk] Help my Mickey

2008-10-12 Thread Marylyn
My wonderful Dixie, whose first stop we decided what to do with her  
after being tested for FeLV, was at Dr. Boswell, weighed just about  
that much.  She left this world June 12..I miss her so much.   
A month after she left she sent me a wonderful little boy named  
Copper.  Two weeks later, knowing there was no way one little kitten  
could keep me busy enough, she sent me a second little boy, Thomas  
(don't ask).  Both came from the pine thicket she came from and  
neither wanted to be invited to dinner by  the hawks, dogs, fox,  
coyotes.

http://horizonvetserv.com is Dr. Mair's website.  Dr. Boswell can be  
reached at 502.499.9663.  You can tell either one that Dixie and I  
sent you.

Again, blessings.
On Oct 12, 2008, at 7:56 PM, Viky Digangi wrote:

 Marylyn,

 No I don't think there is a homeopathic vet in my area but I will  
 check into that.  Thank you for responding.  I have never regretted  
 keeping Mickey.  He has brought me so much pleasure and I thank God  
 for every day I have with him.  He is a little black and white  
 tuxedo cat who weighs a whopping 7 pounds.


 Viky Digangi
 Support Enforcement Officer II
 Monroe Regional Office
 318-362-5280 ext 297
 Fax 318-362-3363



 Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/12/08 7:49 PM 
 Do you have access to a homeopathic/alternative vet?  If so, check
 about a consultation.  Dixie was treated by both her regular vets and
 an alternative vet.  I credit both with her quality of life.  I am so
 very grateful he has had so long with you and hope he has many more.
 You are definately doing something very right.  Know that in your
 heart and in your mind.
 On Oct 12, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Viky Digangi wrote:

 I adopted Mickey when he was about 5 months old and found out he was
 positive for felv.  For 8 years he displayed no signs of the virus
 until last December when he fell in the garage about 8 feet and did
 not land on his feet. Although he was not seriously hurt this
 apparently triggered something with the virus.  He became lethargic
 and would not eat.  My vet at the time began a series of the immuno
 regulen shots and after about 3 months began giving them to him
 every two weeks.

 Last week I awoke to find flood all over my bed and followed the
 trail of blood drops through the house to Mickey.  He had an adenoma
 on his back leg (which I had not noticed) which burst open.  I took
 him to the vet I currently have and he said normally he would
 perform surgery to remove it but in Mickey's condition surgery would
 be dangerous for him.  The adenoma had stopped bleeding by now so I
 said ok.  It was fine all week until yesterday and it burst open
 again.  He cannot keep losing blood this way and I was wondering if
 anyone else had encountered a situation like this.I thought of
 asking my vet if he would switch Mickey to prednisone to see if that
 would promote healing.

 Any suggestions?


 Viky Digangi

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Re: [Felvtalk] Help my Mickey

2008-10-12 Thread Marylyn
I just sent the website for Dr. Mair and the phone number for Dr.  
Boswell.  If you don't get them soon, please email again.  I love them  
both.
On Oct 12, 2008, at 8:12 PM, Laurieskatz wrote:

 Wondering, do you have phone numbers?
 If not, I am sure they can be located.
 Thanks for this info!
 Laurie

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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn
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 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help my Mickey

 If you don't have one I know of two that do phone consultations.  I
 prefer to have my friends checked out personally but Dr. EA Boswell
 (Louisville, Ky)  is the alternative vet for my two little ones and
 has been for several who have left this world.  My regular vets
 referred me to her in 1996.  Dr. Susan Maier, Simpsonville, Ky. is
 another very good alternative vet.  Both hold DVMs but chose to
 practice holistically.  Dr. Boswell is well known in show horse
 circles and has worked with the Louisville Zoo.  Both are very well
 qualified and respected.
 On Oct 12, 2008, at 7:56 PM, Viky Digangi wrote:

 Marylyn,

 No I don't think there is a homeopathic vet in my area but I will
 check into that.  Thank you for responding.  I have never regretted
 keeping Mickey.  He has brought me so much pleasure and I thank God
 for every day I have with him.  He is a little black and white
 tuxedo cat who weighs a whopping 7 pounds.


 Viky Digangi
 Support Enforcement Officer II
 Monroe Regional Office
 318-362-5280 ext 297
 Fax 318-362-3363



 Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/12/08 7:49 PM 
 Do you have access to a homeopathic/alternative vet?  If so, check
 about a consultation.  Dixie was treated by both her regular vets and
 an alternative vet.  I credit both with her quality of life.  I am so
 very grateful he has had so long with you and hope he has many more.
 You are definately doing something very right.  Know that in your
 heart and in your mind.
 On Oct 12, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Viky Digangi wrote:

 I adopted Mickey when he was about 5 months old and found out he was
 positive for felv.  For 8 years he displayed no signs of the virus
 until last December when he fell in the garage about 8 feet and did
 not land on his feet. Although he was not seriously hurt this
 apparently triggered something with the virus.  He became lethargic
 and would not eat.  My vet at the time began a series of the immuno
 regulen shots and after about 3 months began giving them to him
 every two weeks.

 Last week I awoke to find flood all over my bed and followed the
 trail of blood drops through the house to Mickey.  He had an adenoma
 on his back leg (which I had not noticed) which burst open.  I took
 him to the vet I currently have and he said normally he would
 perform surgery to remove it but in Mickey's condition surgery would
 be dangerous for him.  The adenoma had stopped bleeding by now so I
 said ok.  It was fine all week until yesterday and it burst open
 again.  He cannot keep losing blood this way and I was wondering if
 anyone else had encountered a situation like this.I thought of
 asking my vet if he would switch Mickey to prednisone to see if that
 would promote healing.

 Any suggestions?


 Viky Digangi

 Viky Digangi
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 Fax 318-362-3363




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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

2008-10-04 Thread Marylyn
Kiwi left this world cared for...Bless you for loving the little  
one.  Try to find some peace in the comfort you gave Kiwi.
On Oct 3, 2008, at 9:17 PM, Lynne wrote:

 My prayers go out to you and Kiwi Robin.  I'm so sorry for your  
 loss.  You
 did your best and Kiwi loves you for it.
 Lynne
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Re: [Felvtalk] Testing New Kittens - Need Help

2008-09-30 Thread Marylyn
Perhaps test one and see what the results are.  If positive, test  
another or the rest
On Sep 30, 2008, at 4:49 PM, Pat Kachur wrote:

 I believe that mostly it is true that testing just one kitten would be
 enough.  I have read that if  kittens were fathered by different  
 males (one
 who could have been infected and another who was negative), some  
 could be
 positive and some negative.  I have to think this must be rare,  
 though.

 Others probably have more info to give you.


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 I have four 7 week old kittens and their mother that came from the  
 pound
 that I need to test for FELV/FIV and my vet said that I would only  
 need to
 test the mother and one kitten and not test all kittens.

 Do you think that will be reliable? It's $30 per snap test, so I think
 they're wanting to save me money, which I appreciate, just not sure  
 if some
 of the kittens could contract a disease and others wouldn't.

 Any input would be GREATLY appreciated.  Michelle Brockman
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Re: [Felvtalk] So Happy!

2008-09-23 Thread Marylyn
that is so wonderful.
On Sep 23, 2008, at 2:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello everyone!
 Tweezers tests came back and it is likely that all that is wrong  
 with him (Besides being positive) is a secondary infection!  No  
 liver stint.  No blood parasites, no crystals, no micro cystosis.   
 He already looks so much better.  His eyes are not goopy, he seems  
 to be gaining weight and no more watery stools. He actually was  
 playing for the last day or so!  Celebrate !! (Dance! Dance!  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Letter from new member

2008-09-19 Thread Marylyn
I gave Dixie (FeLV+) colostrum in addition to a lot of other  
supplements, Primal Raw + organic veggies etc (I know there is a  
theory going around that they should not eat raw if they test  
positive--Dixie thrived on it and grain free foods).  Her first trip,  
after testing +, was to a holistic vet.  If you don't have one close,  
there are several, including the ones I worked with, who will do phone  
consultations.  Dixie saw Dr. Boswell every time we went to Louisville  
and I attribute her quality of life to the coordination between Dr.  
Boswell and my regular vets at Middletown Animal Clinic.  Dixie came  
into my life as a 2-3 year old cat (estimate) and stayed with me just  
over 3 years.  She was on her own for a long time and I am sure this  
worsened the situation and shortened her life.  Until the last few  
days she appeared to be in perfect health and was very happy.  She had  
everything a cat could want and more.  A month after she left this  
world she sent me Copper and two weeks later she sent me Thomas.
They are both negative.  Their first visit, after testing negative,  
was to Dr. Boswell who started them on some supplements (again,  
because they were on their own and we are now raising healthy kittens  
who need to make up for a few weeks of hard times).  All of this is to  
encourage you to check in with a holistic vet.

Blessings to you  for caring for the little ones.
On Sep 19, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Lorrie wrote:

 Hi, Diane,

 Thanks for replying to my first post on this group. The kittens are 5
 1/2 months old now.  I've been trying to find homes for them since
 they were 8 weeks old, but no luck :-(  I had no clue that some of
 them had FelV until a friend adopted one, and it became extremely
 sick. It was tested for FelV and soon died.  The others are still
 fine, they had their shots and other than feeling bad for 24 hours,
 which most kittens do, they recovered and are running all over.

 My vet is good. She has always answered all my questions, given me
 plenty of time, and she is also understanding about my ordering vet
 meds online to save money.  In fact she will tell me what to use and
 what dosages to give.  The vet I used before got p.o'ed  big time
 about this!  There are only 2 vet clinics in our very small town, and
 I really like the one I use now. I assume she had to cover her butt
 by giving me a worst case scenario on FelV.  One of the things she
 told me, that didn't seem right, was that felV could be transmitted in
 ways other than by sharing food  water bowls, grooming or biting
 My cats often escape their quarters, and my vet indicated that a
 negative cat might walk where a positive cat had been and pick up the
 virus.  This sounded a bit far fetched to me.  What do you think?
 Is she just covering all bases?

 I am now giving the kittens L Lysine, which I understand will help
 boost their immune systems, however they are all still together. I
 have no place to separate them.  I have 15 cats at home (they are
 rescued inside/outside cats) and I bought a building in town which I
 use as a shelter. There are 33 cats there, so we're full up!  These
 cats are not in cages, they all have individual rooms, but the rooms
 are full, without being over crowded.  I'm working on finding more
 space where all FelV cats can be separated.

 Thanks for writing.

 Lorrie in WV


 On 09-19, Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote:
 Hi, Lorrie --

 Glad you found this group.  You'll get lots of great advice here.

 Firstly, don't beat yourself up too much -- it's too bad about the
 kitties you put to sleep, but nobody knew much about FeLV back  
 then, it
 would have been universally considered to be a death sentence anyway.
 Now, there is so much hope for your positive kittens!

 Admittedly, your vet was probably trying to let you know the worst
 of what you're facing, but if all she can offer is grimness, you
 might want to consider finding another vet, at least for these
 babies.  The fact that she didn't suggest euthanasia is a point in
 her favor, but the kittens would be better served by someone on the
 cutting edge of FeLV. Or, if she's willing to work with you, you
 can print off stuff from the files on the felineleukemia.org
 website and help her expand her knowledge base. ;-)

 I assume the kittens are not showing signs of disease.  If they
 aren't, depending on their age, they may yet shake off the virus.
 But if they don't, there are still ways to keep them asymptomatic.
 FeLV *isn't* an automatic death sentence these days.  You'll get
 lots of advice here on diet and supplements, and (along with some
 heartache) some nice success stories.

 Diane R.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lorrie
 Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 9:34 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] New member

 Hello Everyone,

 I'm a new member to the FelV group, but not new to cat rescue
 and TNR, which I've been doing 

Re: [Felvtalk] worried Mom seeking info

2008-09-18 Thread Marylyn
You might try things that calm him, Rescue Remedy in the water,  
Feliway spray, catnip (mine all prefer a plant or two or three so they  
can roll in it or have fresh snacks).  He is anxious and fearful and  
is picking up on your anxiety and your fear.  There are people on this  
list, myself included, who believe animal communicators can help.  If  
you are one of these, perhaps you should have one talk to all your  
cats but this lovely gentleman particularly.  You can put up an area  
for him to go out in (mine have dog kennels with toppers; one of them  
could be accessed by a pet door in a window and ductwork). So much  
depends on your situation.  RR, Feliway and catnip are relatively  
inexpensive and may do the trick.

Good luck.
On Sep 18, 2008, at 4:01 AM, catatonya wrote:

 Since he has already been exposed to your cats, it's highly unlikely  
 that this will cause any problem.  FeLV is not very contagious at  
 all (if at all) between adult, vaccinated cats.
  tonya

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  Hi, my name is Jackie and I am seeking advice. A year ago I started  
 trapping and altering strays. The first male I caught settled down  
 quite a bit. I started letting him in now and then and eventually I  
 started keeping him in. I have 4 other cats (all strictly indoor). I  
 felt for this guy, he was a rough and tumble wild guy, but he was so  
 sweet after he was fixed. He recently tested positive for leukemia  
 and I have never had to deal with this kind of disease before. I  
 talked to the doctor some and she recommended we retest him in 6  
 weeks, but I'm worried I'm endangering my other cats by having him  
 inside. They are vaccinated, but he is so dominating. I used to let  
 him out on occasion to let off a little steam. Now I can't do that  
 and he got into a scuffle with one of my other cats this weekend. I  
 don't want to euthanize him, but I don't know what else to do. I  
 would appreciate your opinions on my situation.
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Re: [Felvtalk] worried Mom seeking info

2008-09-18 Thread Marylyn
He may not know how to play nicely.  I have a lazer pointer that the  
kittens interact with wonderfully.  Or a feather.  Something that he,  
another and you can play with together may help.
On Sep 18, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Jackie Bessette wrote:

 Thank you. I definitely try to exhibit a calm attitude and provide a  
 cam
 atmosphere for them. I very much believe in that. Funny, I just  
 realized the
 worst scuffles have occurred with someone else in the house.  Maybe  
 I will
 try the Feliway. I really think the trouble comes from him wanting  
 to play
 and my other cats not wanting anything to do with him. I will work  
 on making
 him more comfortable. Thanks for the advice. I will keep you all  
 posted.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 3:10 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] worried Mom seeking info

 You might try things that calm him, Rescue Remedy in the water,  
 Feliway
 spray, catnip (mine all prefer a plant or two or three so they can  
 roll in
 it or have fresh snacks).  He is anxious and fearful and is picking  
 up on
 your anxiety and your fear.  There are people on this list, myself  
 included,
 who believe animal communicators can help.  If you are one of these,  
 perhaps
 you should have one talk to all your cats but this lovely gentleman
 particularly.  You can put up an area for him to go out in (mine  
 have dog
 kennels with toppers; one of them could be accessed by a pet door in a
 window and ductwork). So much depends on your situation.  RR,  
 Feliway and
 catnip are relatively inexpensive and may do the trick.

 Good luck.
 On Sep 18, 2008, at 4:01 AM, catatonya wrote:

 Since he has already been exposed to your cats, it's highly unlikely
 that this will cause any problem.  FeLV is not very contagious at all
 (if at all) between adult, vaccinated cats.
 tonya

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi, my name is Jackie and I am seeking advice. A year ago I started
 trapping and altering strays. The first male I caught settled down
 quite a bit. I started letting him in now and then and eventually I
 started keeping him in. I have 4 other cats (all strictly indoor). I
 felt for this guy, he was a rough and tumble wild guy, but he was so
 sweet after he was fixed. He recently tested positive for leukemia  
 and
 I have never had to deal with this kind of disease before. I talked  
 to
 the doctor some and she recommended we retest him in 6 weeks, but I'm
 worried I'm endangering my other cats by having him inside. They are
 vaccinated, but he is so dominating. I used to let him out on  
 occasion
 to let off a little steam. Now I can't do that and he got into a
 scuffle with one of my other cats this weekend. I don't want to
 euthanize him, but I don't know what else to do. I would appreciate
 your opinions on my situation.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sharky

2008-09-14 Thread Marylyn
Blessings to Sharky and to all that have cared for him.  What is done  
with love and care is not wrong.  It may not work out the way we think  
it should but it is not wrong.
On Sep 14, 2008, at 1:08 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote:

 Hi all I am asking for prayers and good thoughts for our boy  
 Sharky.He is very sick and at the clinic. He was fostered for 5  
 months by one of our volunteers and was returned to see how he would  
 do.(He was not fond of the other cats at the sanctuary)I believe he  
 should have stayed in his foster home,they are kicking themselves  
 for not just adopting him in the first place.so please keep him in  
 your thoughts.Thank you,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Michelle's Patches is an angel

2008-09-10 Thread Marylyn
I am so sorry.  I know from experience how hard it is to have one  
leave this world.
On Sep 10, 2008, at 8:16 AM, Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote:

 Oh, damn.  Gentlest of Bridge journeys to Patches, and hugs to  
 Michelle
 and everyone who loved Patches.

 Diane R.

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 Subject: [Felvtalk] Michelle's Patches is an angel

 I'm sorry to let you all know, Michelle's Patches passed away
 yesterday at the hospital, her body just wasn't physically strong  
 enough

 to handle anymore treatment ... they are devastated, please say a  
 prayer

 for them.

 -- 

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Re: [Felvtalk] New Kitten is FeLV+

2008-09-09 Thread Marylyn
You will receive lots of really good advise here.  The best thing I  
can tell you is to find an alternative/holistic vet to help you.  The  
first stop I made after finding out that Dixie was positive was to Dr.  
Betty Boswell in Louisville.  Dixie saw her frequently and I credit  
the alliance between Dr. Boswell and my regular vets, Drs. Koehler and  
Bishop, with giving Dixie a wonderful, healthy life.

Do not treat your little one as a patient but as a wonderful kitten  
who will have a great life.  No one is guaranteed one minute of life.   
Make her life great and your life with her wonderful and forget about  
how long or short it may be.
On Sep 9, 2008, at 2:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Last week, we took in a darling tortie/calico kitten who'd been  
 abandoned at my workplace.  At her first vet check today, we got the  
 results that she's FeLV+.  We have two other cats that are positive.

 I would appreciate any tips on how to get this little girl off to  
 the healthiest start possible.  We're feeding high protein kitten  
 foods already.  Our other cats are doing well at ages 4 and 1 year,  
 but we'd love to learn anything we can to help our newest 'patient'  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Can you please pray for Michelle's Patches

2008-09-07 Thread Marylyn
Blessings to her for loving and love and prayers to Patches.
On Sep 7, 2008, at 5:37 PM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

 Hi again all,
 Strangely I was just wondering this a.m. how Michelle's Patches was
 doing, and thinking I must email her, and then when I came into work,
 there was the email from her (below). (For those who don't know
 Michelle, she was a tireless, dedicated source of knowledge and  
 support
 on the list for many years).
 Thanks for your prayers for Patches.
 Kerry M.


 Hi, Kerry. Can I bother you to ask the list for prayers again? Patches
 had been doing a lot better for a couple of weeks-- her hematocrit was
 going up (and maybe still is-- she looks quite pink), she gained  
 weight,
 she was getting more active and had started eating some on her own
 again. But the last few days she has looked worse than when we brought
 her to the hospital with the pancreatitis. She had the strongest chemo
 drug 8 days ago, so we thought it was that, but she does not seem to  
 be
 improving. She lays in one spot all day and only gets up to use the
 litterbox, and looks weak when she does. She seems nauseous too. She  
 has
 gained a lot of weight and we think the vets were telling us to feed  
 her
 too much through her tube, and we are wondering if her pancreatitis  
 has
 been aggravated by this. Or, of course, the cancer could be back. We  
 are
 planning on taking her to the hospital tomorrow afternoon when her
 internist is in, to see if they can ultrasound her and if she! needs  
 IV
 fluids.  Prayers always seem to help, though, so I thought I would  
 ask.

 thanks as always, and I hope you and yours are ok,
 Michelle

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Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: testing

2008-08-30 Thread Marylyn
The two new kittens are doing well and are FeLV-.  You should have  
seen the high fives at the vets' office when the results came back on  
both of them!!

Have a good weekend.
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 I see ya! James

 Been busy in the rescue world.
 I too noticed it was quiet...hope all is well too, that is a good   
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 Haven't seen any activity on the list for a couple of days.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Two kitties - names unknown - please add to CLS (non FELV)

2008-08-30 Thread Marylyn
The Humane Society in Louisville did the same thing to a wonderful  
little dog named Jackson.  They knew I wanted him and that I was  
coming to get him that afternoon.  One worker called to confirm and  
tell me Jackson was waiting.  A while later another one called and  
told me they had killed him because he had distemper.my vets  
had worked with this disease and had cured it in lots of dogs.   
Treatment was intense and expensive but I had the ability to cope with  
that.  Then the person who called offered to help me with another  
dog.  Jackson had captured my heart.  I had visited him at Feeders'  
Supply (where they take animals to encourage their adoption) three  
days in a row to make sure  I wanted a dog.  It broke my heart.
On Aug 30, 2008, at 7:50 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

 Hi guys,

 I'm very sad today.  We had made arrangements to pull a blind cat  
 and a cat
 with a cleft palate (the kitty with the cleft palate's mom went into a
 nursing home).  We were supposed to pick them up today.  The shelter  
 rescue
 coordinator called and told us they had accidentally been killed two  
 days
 ago.

 Apparently this shelter's policy is to immediately kill all  
 handicapped
 kitties.

 I still don't understand how you can accidentally kill a cat - these  
 cats
 were safe - they had rescue - and they were still killed.

 Kelley



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Re: [Felvtalk] Two kitties - names unknown - please add to CLS (non FELV)

2008-08-30 Thread Marylyn
Your grief is much fresher than mine.  It is not necessary to meet an  
animal to love it. I am amazed that some of these shelters are so  
careless with the lives of sick/challenged animals.  How awful for the  
original caretaker too.  First to be put in a nursing home then to  
have your friends killed for no reason.
On Aug 30, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

 I'm sorry Marylyn.

 Too many broken hearts to go around.  I've been crying all day.   
 Even though
 we had not met these kitties we had made room for them in our homes  
 and
 hearts.

 On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 wrote:

 The Humane Society in Louisville did the same thing to a wonderful
 little dog named Jackson.  They knew I wanted him and that I was
 coming to get him that afternoon.  One worker called to confirm and
 tell me Jackson was waiting.  A while later another one called and
 told me they had killed him because he had distemper.my vets
 had worked with this disease and had cured it in lots of dogs.
 Treatment was intense and expensive but I had the ability to cope  
 with
 that.  Then the person who called offered to help me with another
 dog.  Jackson had captured my heart.  I had visited him at Feeders'
 Supply (where they take animals to encourage their adoption) three
 days in a row to make sure  I wanted a dog.  It broke my heart.
 On Aug 30, 2008, at 7:50 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

 Hi guys,

 I'm very sad today.  We had made arrangements to pull a blind cat
 and a cat
 with a cleft palate (the kitty with the cleft palate's mom went  
 into a
 nursing home).  We were supposed to pick them up today.  The shelter
 rescue
 coordinator called and told us they had accidentally been killed two
 days
 ago.

 Apparently this shelter's policy is to immediately kill all
 handicapped
 kitties.

 I still don't understand how you can accidentally kill a cat - these
 cats
 were safe - they had rescue - and they were still killed.

 Kelley



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 Check out our Memsaic!
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Re: [Felvtalk] New member here

2008-08-27 Thread Marylyn
Jennifer,

I just wanted you to know that  Dixie sent me a second little one from  
the same pine thicket and surrounded by the same hawks, fox, dogs,  
etc.  Apparently she really thought she had EVERYTHINGcertainly  
enough to loan to two babies who needed homes.
On Jul 30, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Jennifer wrote:

 That's such a touching story...brought tears to my eyes.  What is  
 your new kitty's name?  Hopefully she's with you for a very long  
 time :)

  Jennifer
 ~ loving mama to ~
   Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
   Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
   Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008)

 On Jul 29, 2008, at 11:59 PM, Marylyn wrote:

 Dixie came to me as a grown throw away who had been on her own for  
 a long time.  She found her way to my Mom's where she hung out with  
 the ferals who came for food, water and shelter.  For three years  
 and 12 days she had everything a little cat could want.  She became  
 the owner of a farm in rural Ky with a large sunroom, window sills,  
 deer, turkey and windows everywhere; Christmas trees that stayed up  
 for months just because she liked to sleep under them; a large bed  
 with pillows and dolls...everything a little cat could want,  
 even things she didn't know about when she came into my life.   She  
 had the best regular and holist medical care available from the day  
 I found out that she was FeLV+ and was so wonderfully healthy that  
 I believed she had beaten it.  She remained healthy until a couple  
 of days before she left this world.   When she left she was beside  
 me, where she was always the safest, and in a Jeep that had taken  
 her on many great adventures (she loved to travel between the farm  
 and a home in Louisville).  I have no regrets at all about having  
 this wonderful little girl in my life.  She taught me so much.   
 Now, a month after she left,  she has sent me a tiny kitten from  
 the same pine thicket she came from.  Apparently she thought this  
 little one, who was alone just as she had been,  should have  
 everything too.   There are no certainities in life.  It sounds  
 like you have a good grasp on the situation.  This group has people  
 knowledgeable in supplements that can help strengthen all your  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cole's last fight

2008-08-26 Thread Marylyn
On the topic of opening your heart to another:  Invite Cole to send  
you someone.  Dixie send me not one but two small kittens over a two  
week period.  Dixie waited 30 days from the day she left and sent me a  
copper kitten.  She sent a solid slate grey one two weeks later.  Both  
came from the pine thicket she came from.  That thicket is full of  
hawks, coyotes, dogs, fox and other critters that love to have little  
kittens for snacks.  And both were in need of immediate vet attention  
and were prime for the smallest hawk. All of this is to say, trust  
Cole to help you find just the right cat to help you thru this.   
Dixie's timing was perfect.  I was (and am) still grieving for her but  
I was ready to give againand two healthy kittens can keep you very  
busy.  By the way, they are both FeLV- (a miracle under the  
circumstances) and little boys.  Cole is a heart mate of yours.  Give  
him a chance to prove it and let him provide help for you.  Dixie will  
definitely help me raise these two.
On Aug 26, 2008, at 8:22 AM, Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote:

 I'm so sorry, Kim.  I know it's not a lot of consolation that you had
 him with you for 6-1/2 years when a healthy cat can live 3 times that
 long, but it *is* an extraordinary age for a FeLV+ kitty and both of  
 you
 fought the good fight and loved each other fiercely for all that time.
 Don't try to second-guess yourself about whether it was the exact time
 to help him end it -- I think one of the other members of this list
 would say better a day too early than a second too late.

 When you are talking to him, as Marylyn has suggested, invite him to
 visit you.  So many people have experienced what they feel is a visit
 from their departed pets -- maybe you're in bed and it feels like
 somekitty is walking on the bed, but when you look nobody's there,  
 that
 kind of thing.  And if you ever move, specifically invite Cole to the
 new place too.

 And finally, once it stops hurting quite so badly, be open to the idea
 of finding another kitty, not to take his place but to fill the  
 void.
 He won't want you to be lonely, and so many times people have said  
 they
 felt that their departed kitty has led them right to a new one to  
 love.


 Hugs to you and to Cole in his new home, where he is undoubtedly
 swapping great mommy stories with our kitties there.

 Diane R.

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 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Cole's last fight


 It is with great sadness that I have to say that my Cole has lost his
 fight. The last 2 weeks he has been recieving epogen shots two times a
 week and we found out today that the shots have not improved his  
 anemia.
 He in fact got worse and his hemoglobin went down to 9% from 11% 2  
 weeks
 ago. He has also lost an addition 1lb in 3 days because he would not
 eat. It was the hardest thing ever to have to make the call in putting
 him to sleep or not, but he has been so lethargic and down the last
 couple days, I had no choice. He was not in good enough shape to even
 attempt any other treatment at this point. I wish I would have caught
 this earlier and maybe treatment would have been better. He had been
 living with Feline Leukemia since birth and he lived to be almost 7,  
 so
 at least I was blessed with that time with him. Right now the hardest
 thing is to come home and not have him waiting at the door for me. I  
 am
 praying that I made the right decision and didnt jump the gun on  
 putting
 him to sleep, but I just could not take it if I knew that I was
 prolonging his suffering. I am having him cremated and we are having a
 special urn made for him with his picture. All I can say is that  
 having
 Cole for a short 6 1/2 years was worth the heartache I have now, he  
 was
 my rock and was there for me when I needed him and now it is my turn  
 to
 be there for him. Thank you all for your support and words of  
 advice, it
 helped me make it through the 2 toughest weeks of my life. I love you
 Cole.
 Kim
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cole's last fight

2008-08-25 Thread Marylyn
I know how awful it is to come home to a house without your  
friend..I had to do it when Dixie left this world.  She moved into  
the house on the farm the minute I did and everything was hers.  It  
gets better as time goes on but you know that.  Right now cry and talk  
and generally do what makes you feel a little better.  I am very sure  
you did exactly what Cole would have wanted you to.  After all,  
everything you did was from your heart.  Please remember that he is  
close by.  Talk to him.  Tell him your fears and your love.  You may  
find that, like a lot of us, it helps.

Blessings to you and Cole and all you loved and cared for him.
On Aug 25, 2008, at 11:59 PM, Kim Thomas wrote:


 It is with great sadness that I have to say that my Cole has lost  
 his fight. The last 2 weeks he has been recieving epogen shots two  
 times a week and we found out today that the shots have not improved  
 his anemia. He in fact got worse and his hemoglobin went down to 9%  
 from 11% 2 weeks ago. He has also lost an addition 1lb in 3 days  
 because he would not eat. It was the hardest thing ever to have to  
 make the call in putting him to sleep or not, but he has been so  
 lethargic and down the last couple days, I had no choice. He was not  
 in good enough shape to even attempt any other treatment at this  
 point. I wish I would have caught this earlier and maybe treatment  
 would have been better. He had been living with Feline Leukemia  
 since birth and he lived to be almost 7, so at least I was blessed  
 with that time with him. Right now the hardest thing is to come home  
 and not have him waiting at the door for me. I am praying that I  
 made the right decision and didnt jump the gun on putting him to  
 sleep, but I just could not take it if I knew that I was prolonging  
 his suffering. I am having him cremated and we are having a special  
 urn made for him with his picture. All I can say is that having Cole  
 for a short 6 1/2 years was worth the heartache I have now, he was  
 my rock and was there for me when I needed him and now it is my turn  
 to be there for him. Thank you all for your support and words of  
 advice, it helped me make it through the 2 toughest weeks of my  
 life. I love you Cole.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Duncan is gone

2008-08-20 Thread Marylyn
I am so sorry.  May all the angels hug you and Duncan and all the  
others in both worlds.
On Aug 19, 2008, at 8:32 PM, Laura Mostello wrote:

 Sadly, I had to have Duncan euthanized last night. He was suffering  
 from a URI and getting Clavamox, and the URI was clearing up, but he  
 was still sluggish. On Sunday night he seemed disoriented, and was  
 crying as if he was in a lot of pain. I rushed him to the emergency  
 vet and then to my regular vet Monday morning. The vet called me at  
 5:30 as I was driving home from work to get Duncan's food and told  
 me that he thought Duncan was very close to dying. Test results had  
 showed Hemobartonella and he was fading fast. We talked about  
 possible treatments but Dr Leathers felt that it would be best, and  
 kindest, to put him down.
 He deteriorated so quickly - just a couple of days ago he was eating  
 and walking around. Unfortunately, I assumed he just wasn't 100%  
 because of the URI. I will not make that mistake again. He has never  
 shown any symptoms in the year that I've had him. My other two  
 positives, who lived with him, are fine, but I'm going to have them  
 checked out at the vet next week.
 I lost my 18 year old cat last Monday so this hasn't been a very  
 good past couple of weeks for me.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures and some fabulous non-related news!!!

2008-08-16 Thread Marylyn
Have you checked with Susan re the seizures?  They could be vaccine  
related.


On Aug 15, 2008, at 7:21 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:


 Well, I guess the lord truly does giveth and taketh away in a good  
 ways sometimes!  Just as I am struggling to deal with my returned  
 foster suffering from seziures of unknown origin and reaching the  
 height of my stress...I also have the best news I have had in a long  
 time.  My feleuk foster Manny has a home.  A lady and her 14 yo son  
 were coming to look at him tonight at 6:00 and I had not allowed  
 myself to get excited about it b/c I am realistic.  But they knew he  
 had feleuk and still wanted to see him (tho they have never had a  
 feleuk- had two cats that lived to be 18-20 that died a few months  
 ago a few mths apart).  The son needed time to grieve but has  
 recently been asking for a cat.  They just want 1 so a foster friend  
 suggested my Manny b/c I'm desperate to get him home b/c I just  
 don't have the set up for him to have much of a life here-- running  
 out of rooms!  They have already been screened by the organization I  
 am adopting him thru or else they wouldn't have come to the house to  
 see him.  AND they are cousins by marriage of one of my fellow  
 foster friends!  Manny is the healthiest thing ever and he's  
 flourished in my care-- he's all muscle, not an ounce of fat,  
 vivacious, playful, tons of fun, and a complete alpha male who rules  
 humans and dogs-- whomever he is given the opportunity to interact  
 with!!!  He's the smartest thing in this house and that includes the  
 dogs- of which one is very bright-- but Manny takes the cake in the  
 brains area.  I love love love him and would so keep him if I hadn't  
 already had non-feleuk fosters and house cats and in particular  
 kitten fosters.

 So I didn't get my hopes up too much when they came to see him but  
 they asked all the right questions about feleuk and I think they  
 feel comfortable b/c they can rely on me and my experience since we  
 will have a very open adoption!  She is a nurse so she has a great  
 base of knowledge for understanding his disease!  I just want him to  
 have a home so I have told them that I will help personally with vet  
 bills so that he can have his red blood cells monitored every 6  
 months and should he ever get sick- with the treatment.  The  
 organization I am adopting him thru (I am working with another one  
 on the side now that I am very happy with) helps with vet bills in  
 all cases and will assist with his should he get sick!  They  
 said they were told by another rescuer/foster in the organization  
 that they will just know the right cat for them when they see it and  
 they said we just know it's him!  I just can't believe I got my  
 Manny a home  I have a few days to spend with him to say  
 goodbye so I can ease myself into it-- they want to clean the house  
 for Manny and have to get a litterbox, etc. because they threw  
 things out.  I just can't even explain to you how happy I am but I  
 know you all share my joy!  Manny finally gets a young boy to PLAY  
 WITH, an entire house to romp in, and windows to bird watch from ALL  
 DAY (instead of just a few hours a day)!  I couldn't  
 possibly want more for him.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary issues

2008-08-14 Thread Marylyn
See if you can find a holistic vet.  There may be some supplements you  
can use.  Somewhere I read had cosaquin stregthens bladder  
muscles.I have no personal knowledge but am a big fan of holistic  
medicines, especially when the regular vets are out of ideas.  There  
are nice mattress pads that have a vinyl back (I just put one on my  
bed from K-Mart because of the kittens--ferals are not as easily  
trained as I would like :).  Also there are pads dogs can  
wearwonder if she would wear them?
On Aug 14, 2008, at 8:29 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote:

 Does anyone here know of a group of some sort or have any ideas what  
 I can try next? First of all my fiv+ girl has been diagnosed with  
 IFLUTD ( idiopathic feline lower urinary tract disease) back in  
 April when she started piddling on my bed.Well after being on  
 Amitryptaline for awhil(,which was supposed to help) but did not.She  
 still pees in her sleep and sometimes just sitting there. She has  
 been checked for bladder infections,crystals,growths etc.Dr. Jen aid  
 she has ran all the tests that she could. :(  I am SO  
 frustrated.This morning I was startled awake with pee trickling  
 through my legs.She must have fell asleep on me.I have pads on the  
 bed that she usually lays on,but my feet must have been in the way  
 and she likes to lay on me.She acts fine otherwise,just does not  
 have control of her bladder. :( Any thoughts on this? I am trying to  
 get hold of a doctor at the Cat clinic here that I am going to  
 ask,but I really cant afford to bring her there. I
 spent thousands thee on my Maizee a few years back.Thanks in advance.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary issues

2008-08-14 Thread Marylyn
There are pads that are washable (disposable is too expensive) that  
are used under people in nursing homes/hospitals.  I bought a bunch of  
these when a most loved dog was having similar problems because of a  
terminal illness.  I am lucky enough to have a washer and dryer  
available but these pads made life much easier.  That may be what you  
have on the end of your bed.  I am told there are similar pads for  
changing babies.

Blessings to both of you.
On Aug 14, 2008, at 8:50 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote:

 Thanks for your input Marylyn.I have a mattress pad on there,one of  
 the first things I bought when it all started.I also have a water  
 proof one at the foot of my bed on top,I got tired of washing my  
 bedding every other day,especially having to go to the laundromat. : 
 ( I have used Cosequin or Dasequin for my fiv+ boy with mouth  
 issues,but stopped,seemed to not make a difference. I will have to  
 look into that for this problem. I believe one of the vets at the  
 Cat Clinic is a holistic vet.

 --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary issues
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 9:35 PM

 See if you can find a holistic vet.  There may be some supplements you
 can use.  Somewhere I read had cosaquin stregthens bladder
 muscles.I have no personal knowledge but am a big fan of holistic
 medicines, especially when the regular vets are out of ideas.  There
 are nice mattress pads that have a vinyl back (I just put one on my
 bed from K-Mart because of the kittens--ferals are not as easily
 trained as I would like :).  Also there are pads dogs can
 wearwonder if she would wear them?
 On Aug 14, 2008, at 8:29 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote:

 Does anyone here know of a group of some sort or have any ideas what
 I can try next? First of all my fiv+ girl has been diagnosed with
 IFLUTD ( idiopathic feline lower urinary tract disease) back in
 April when she started piddling on my bed.Well after being on
 Amitryptaline for awhil(,which was supposed to help) but did not.She
 still pees in her sleep and sometimes just sitting there. She has
 been checked for bladder infections,crystals,growths etc.Dr. Jen aid
 she has ran all the tests that she could. :(  I am SO
 frustrated.This morning I was startled awake with pee trickling
 through my legs.She must have fell asleep on me.I have pads on the
 bed that she usually lays on,but my feet must have been in the way
 and she likes to lay on me.She acts fine otherwise,just does not
 have control of her bladder. :( Any thoughts on this? I am trying to
 get hold of a doctor at the Cat clinic here that I am going to
 ask,but I really cant afford to bring her there. I
 spent thousands thee on my Maizee a few years back.Thanks in advance.
 Sherry



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Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens be FeLV+??

2008-08-13 Thread Marylyn
It is so hard to deal with these things.  Thank God they have people  
like you to care about them during their last while on earth.  It is  
so much better to die in loving hands than in a cold cage.  I don't  
know if they still use gas to kill in shelters  or not but that was  
gruesome.  Even the injections in the hands of the uncaring or  
unskilled are awful.  Again, bless you for being there.
On Aug 13, 2008, at 7:55 AM, Laurieskatz wrote:

 Alice, we did euthanize. It was excruciating because they had  
 survived a
 year ~ though small they were healthy. They went downhill quickly as  
 cats
 often do, esp FeLV+ cats. By the slowly die off, I meant first one  
 died and
 then another and then the mama. Last night we had to make a decision  
 to have
 a kitten euthanized shortly after she was rescued from the flood area
 because she was so sick, so small and had injuries that would have  
 meant
 drilling into her bones and several surgeries to repair. We got  
 opinions
 from 3 vets and they all made the same recommendation.
 :L

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 Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 4:57 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the  
 kittens
 be FeLV+??

 Laurie, if the kittens were in so much pain, why didn't you end  
 their pain
 sooner? I told my little kitties right from the start, if they got  
 to a
 point where they were miserable, I would help them over the rainbow  
 bridge,
 no matter how heartbreaking it would be for me. I can't let them
 suffer!!Alice ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date:  
 Tue,
 12 Aug 2008 20:54:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl  
 kitty is
 pregnant...will the kittens be FeLV+??  We rescued one mom with 4  
 kittens.
 All were FeLV+. It was heartbreaking watching them slowly die off.  
 The mom
 and 2 kittens died early on but two kittens lived to age 1 and then  
 died
 excruciating deaths. It was costly and we couldn't find homes. Hard  
 enough
 to find homes for healthy ones. My decision would be to spay/abort.  
 I put
 the mommy's first since they already have life.  L  -Original
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 Subject:
 Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens  
 be
 FeLV+??  Since you are her guardian, obviously it's your choice as  
 to what
 to do, but I know for me, I try to do what is best for the cat, and  
 not
 make a decsion based on how it makes me feel.  But again, it's your  
 decsion
 and we can only give advice.   Please tell me that you have  
 separated Ash
 and Isobel?  On the chance that she isn't pregnant you really need to
 separate them until one of them is fixed. Also, if you do  
 plan on
 letting her have the kittens if she is pregnant, I would start  
 saving some
 money now, because you will need to get her kittens S/N before  
 putting them
 out for adoption, also incase she has a difficult delivery and needs
 emergency care.  The rescue that I work with (I foster kittens when  
 we come
 across them TNR'ing) does not adopt out intact kittens. Which  
 unfortunatly
 is the only way to ensure that a cat will be S/N' d these days.
 We're
 going to keep all paws crossed that Isobel is not pregnant, there  
 is still
 that chance.   Laura  --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Jennifer
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 Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 7:34 PM  I know it makes sense to  
 spay
 abort, but I don't really know.  I don't believe in abortion...and  
 it would
 be a really tough thing for me to do.  I really want to try and  
 find them
 homes.  I just can't imagine killing life...I know it sounds horrible
 especially with the overpopulation.   Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN  
  LOCAL
 SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice.  ~ loving mama to ~
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 Feb. 7,
 2007)   Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28,  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please pray for Michelle Lerner's Patches

2008-08-13 Thread Marylyn
May all the angels surround both of them.
On Aug 13, 2008, at 10:22 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:


 Dear all
 I just had a request for prayers from former member Michelle Lerner  
 for
 her sweet Patches.
 Patches has FeLV, FIV, diabetes and hyperthyroidism, and has survived
 many crises over the years. Now she's battling to overcome another.
 (For those of you who don't know Michelle she was a tireless and  
 hugely
 knowledgeable contributor--as can be seen in the archives--to the
 listserv for many years.)
 Please can everyone send prayers and good wishes for Patches'  
 recovery.
 Thanks so much
 Kerry M.

 I know I have been out of touch. But I am writing to ask you to pray  
 for
 Patches, and to send a request to the listserve on behalf asking for
 prayers. As you may know, Patches is now at least 7 years old (the  
 vets
 think 8 or 9 or older). She has lymphoma and has been doing well on
 chemo. She also has diabetes and hyperthyroidism. Despite all of this,
 and being FeLV+ and FIV+, she was doing really great until two days
 ago-- fat and happy and you would never know a thing was wrong. Two  
 days
 ago had what seemed to be a severe pancreatitis attack (she also had  
 one
 in May 2007 when she became diabetic), and was jaundiced from what  
 they
 thought was cholangeohepatitis, an infection of the liver that often
 accompanies pancreatitis. They did an ultrasound and thought that is
 what it is (internist and oncologist) since it did not look like the
 lymphoma was back.  She has been in the hospital since Saturday night,
 and except for not e! ating, they thought she was doing well at first.
 But she would spit up everything she was syringe fed, and now is
 suddenly very anemic (HCT 16). They put a feeding tube in and are
 transfusing her. We saw her before and after the tube was inserted and
 she purred both times. But the vets do not think she has much chance  
 of
 survival. They think the lymphoma is probably back, which can only be
 fought with chemo, and she can't get chemo in this condition. If it is
 not lymphoma, the rest of the problems she is having, combined, give  
 her
 at best a 50/50 chance of survival. When they put the tube in, they  
 did
 a liver aspirate, so we should not about the lymphoma tomorrow. But  
 they
 really think that is what is going on. If it is, I guess we will just
 take her home for as long as we can keep her comfortable and give her
 lots of cuddling and fussing, but it would probably be for a very  
 short
 time. If it is not lymphoma, I guess she would stay in the hospital  
 and
 try treatment longer. ! we are not hopeful, though.

 Please pray for her to feel better, for it not to be lymphoma, for her
 to get better, and for her to be calm and and as content as possible,
 and to get some good time to spend at home with us. She has been so
 happy being the only cat (our negative Quincy is in a separate part of
 the house and she doesn't see him) and be doted on since the other
 positives died. She has really blossomed in the last year and a half,
 and loves cuddling and pets and catnip and cardboard boxes. I know  
 it is
 miraculous and heroic of her to make it this long, but it still  
 seems to
 soon to let her go. She is such a superhero, and we love her so.



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Re: [Felvtalk] New Here

2008-08-13 Thread Marylyn
I fed Dixie Louise Primal Raw mixed with organic veggies that were  
high in iron and/or vitamin C.  From the China scare she never had  
food with grains.  Until a very few days before she left this world  
she was very healthy and happy.  She saw a holistic vet frequently and  
a regular vet as needed..which was very rarely.

The best thing you can do is love them and let them love and teach  
you.  They are full of wisdom.  Enjoy every second and do not focus on  
the condition.  Give them the best you can in everything but realize  
that there are no guarantees in life.

Blessings to you.
On Aug 13, 2008, at 8:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello!  I'm new to this list.  My husband and I have two FeLV  
 positive cats.  Bo is four, and Seven was a year old in June.  We  
 have them both on interferon and have regular well-cat visits with  
 our vets.  So far, Bo and Seven are in good health.

 I have read a lot recently about diets for cats with FeLV.  Any tips  
 from the folks here on what to look for in designing a good-health  
 diet for our beloved cats?

 Glad to be a part of this list!

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Re: [Felvtalk] New Here

2008-08-13 Thread Marylyn
I am not sure how old  Dixie Louise was when she left this world.  She  
had lived with someone, had been spayed, had been thrown away (she  
showed up in the pine thicket behind my Mom's home where lots of cats  
are dumped/show up etc--they come to her home for food).  She hung out  
at Mom's for quite a long time until I decided to take her to my  
personal vets to be spayed (long story, local vets were not an option  
at that time).  She was with me three years and 12 days from the day I  
took her to Louisville.  Best estimates are that she was 5-6 years  
old.  I know people who have cared for FeLV+ cats for 13-15 years.   
Many FeLV- cats don't have the good fortune to live that long.
On Aug 13, 2008, at 9:45 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote:

 Welcome to the list!  I must admit, I feed pretty ordinary
 food.  Would do better if I didn't do rescue and consequently have
 rescue cats.  But I have 2 FELV cats that I acquired from Oklahoma,
 and they're over 10.  I've had them for a few years, the previous
 owner had them for quite a few.  They're not on anything special,
 except love and care. The vet for the previous owner had them
 vaccinated for FELV yearly - he thought it helped.  Go figure.

 All my FELV cats are over 3.  The problems I've had are at the age
 2.5 to 3 yrs old, and never had one make it past that age.  My
 current 'theory' is to use interferon till they get over 3 yrs.  I
 have a friend with 1 FELV, and 1 non-FELV, and the FELV kitty made it
 to 3 yrs and beyond and she does keep him on interferon.. They're
 doing great too!

 Thanks for writing and for joining the list!

 Gloria
 in Arkansas



 At 08:31 PM 8/13/2008, you wrote:
 Hello!  I'm new to this list.  My husband and I have two FeLV
 positive cats.  Bo is four, and Seven was a year old in June.  We
 have them both on interferon and have regular well-cat visits with
 our vets.  So far, Bo and Seven are in good health.

 I have read a lot recently about diets for cats with FeLV.  Any tips
 from the folks here on what to look for in designing a good-health
 diet for our beloved cats?

 Glad to be a part of this list!

 Jody (and Bo  Seven)
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[Felvtalk] testing kittens

2008-08-12 Thread Marylyn

Dixie Louise was grown when she came into my life.  As you know, she  
left on June 12.  On July 14 and 30 two young kittens (ferals) came  
into my life.  Obviously I want to get them tested.  The results make  
no difference in their futures.  They will be indoor, cared for cats  
all their days.  I do want to get them tested at some point.  The  
question is how old should they be to get  reliable results?  I have  
never raised kittens.  I was always able to find homes for them and I  
kept older cats. 
  

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Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens beFeLV+??

2008-08-12 Thread Marylyn
And the life they lead before they are killed is rough.  They are  
surrounded by awful noises, cold bars..and may or may not have a  
gentle death at the hands of people who cannot afford to love them.
On Aug 12, 2008, at 8:12 AM, Heather wrote:

 Even with negative kittens, unless you find a strictly no kill  
 shelter
 and keep them yourself until they are 8 weeks, they'd probably be  
 put to
 sleep anyway without even being tested...and even a no-kill shelter  
 will
 euthanize the positives.

 I know it sounds sad to terminate but unless you will keep them
 yourself...the one thing sadder than the idea of termination is if  
 you go to
 your local AS/AC agency and see all of the sweet, friendly,  
 beautiful Mom 
 full litters of kittens who are being put to sleep--positive or  
 negative.

 On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 wrote:

 I don't know the groups in Southern New Jersey (although I lived
 there many years ago) - but some group will gladly help you with
 testing and s/n.  Yes, the kittens would most likely be euthanized at
 a shelter, if FELV +.Good chance they'd be euthanized even if
 negative.
 BTW, some vets will spay a pregnant cat, depending on how far along,
 some won't.  Let us know what the test results are!

 Best of luck,

 Gloria



 On Aug 11, 2008, at 7:47 PM, Jennifer wrote:

 and the only possible father is my FeLV+ kitty, Ash.  Isobel is
 showing signs of pregnancy (hard and protruding tummy as well as
 pointy nipples).  She's going this Thursday to get tested for
 FeLV.  My question is, if she tests negative (which my guess is she
 won't being that her and Ash mated), will the kittens be FeLV+
 because their father is FeLV+?  Also, if Isobel is pregnant and she
 is FeLV+, does that automatically mean the kittens will be too?  I
 feel so horrible about not getting her fixed sooner, but my money
 is tight and I have to save up just to take them to the vet.  If
 she is pregnant, I can't keep the kittens as we already have three
 and my boyfriend is allergic and says no way to any more cats in
 the house, which I understand.  If I take them to a shelter and
 they're positive, won't they put them to sleep right away?  I don't
 want that to happen.  I live in Southern New Jersey...anyone want
 more kittens??  When I take her to the
 vet this week, I'll have them confirm her pregnancy.

 Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN  LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice.
~ loving mama to ~
Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008)





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Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens be FeLV+??

2008-08-12 Thread Marylyn
I wonder if you could spay her before you neuter him.  The earlier the  
better for her sake.  Putting him off, since she is already pregnant,  
shouldn't be an issue.
On Aug 12, 2008, at 8:02 PM, Jennifer wrote:

 I was planning on spaying her after Ash gets neutered.  I am still  
 going to spay her at the local SPCA since they do it cheaper than my  
 vet would.  I am still considered doing a spay-abortion.

  Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN  LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice.
 ~ loving mama to ~
 Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
 Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
 Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008)



 --- On Wed, 8/13/08, janine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From: janine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the  
 kittens be FeLV+??
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 12:32 AM

 Hi, I am not so active on this list because I am
 primarily doing rescue with only occassional
 positives.  But, I have to say I would spay this cat
 so fast, pregnant or not.  There are way too many
 kittens being born outside this year - back to back
 pregnancies it seems.  And you don't need your girl to
 have problems giving birth either.

 Janine, from CT, overwhelmed with kittens!


 --- Laura B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Jennifer,

 Even if FeLV were not a factor in this possible
 pregnancy I would suggest a spay-abort. The kitten
 season has been particulary bad this summer in
 Jersey (and probably elsewhere) so if you can't keep
 them they would have a VERY bleak future.  I live in
 central Jersey and if you're not too far from Toms
 River (don't know how far south you are) you can
 take her to a clinic there that does low cost S/N.
 We take all the ferals we can TNR there, and they
 have no problem doing spay-aborts.

 You actually have to go through ABC (Animal Birth
 Control) which is a group based in Bayville (I
 believe) NJ, they will give you a voucher or number
 that will entitle you to a low cost S/N.  If you
 would like I can get the information for you, my
 neighbor has it since she does TNR daily this time
 of year.  I help out financially when I can since I
 work during the day (she doesn't work, cept for
 sterilizing cat colonies for people).

 Laura

 --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Jennifer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is
 pregnant...will the kittens be FeLV+??
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 8:47 PM

 and the only possible father is my FeLV+ kitty,
 Ash.  Isobel is showing signs
 of pregnancy (hard and protruding tummy as well as
 pointy nipples).  She's
 going this Thursday to get tested for FeLV.  My
 question is, if she tests
 negative (which my guess is she won't being that her
 and Ash mated), will
 the kittens be FeLV+ because their father is FeLV+?
 Also, if Isobel is
 pregnant and she is FeLV+, does that automatically
 mean the kittens will be
 too?  I feel so horrible about not getting her fixed
 sooner, but my money is
 tight and I have to save up just to take them to the
 vet.  If she is pregnant,
 I can't keep the kittens as we already have three
 and my boyfriend is
 allergic and says no way to any more cats in the
 house, which I understand.  If
 I take them to a shelter and they're positive, won't
 they put them to
 sleep right away?  I don't want that to happen.  I
 live in Southern New
 Jersey...anyone want more kittens??  When I take her
 to the
 vet this week, I'll have them confirm her
 pregnancy.

  Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN  LOCAL SPCA
 VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice.
 ~ loving mama to ~
 Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
 Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
 Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+
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Re: [Felvtalk] Healthy dry foods?

2008-08-11 Thread Marylyn
I bought organic spinach, carrots, green peas, green beans and squash  
(usually frozen but, if we were traveling, baby food) and just ground  
it up in a small Black  Decker grinder and mixed it with her Primal  
Raw or even canned foods (again, organic no grain food).  Sometimes I  
would get fresh carrots or broccoli.  It depended on what was  
available at the time and what I could manage under the  
circumstances.  I have friends who swear by Honest Kitchen's products  
for their dogs.  www.thehonestkitchen.com has a relatively new cat  
version out.  Dixie loved the veggies.  The kittens she sent me love  
pumpkin mixed in their food.  They are young and feral (they are  
indoor, cared for kittens now obviously) so we are working on diet  
issues.  It takes time.
On Aug 11, 2008, at 6:48 AM, Giselle de Grandis wrote:

 Many thanks to Laurie, Jennifer, Marylyn  Sabrina for writing in
 response to my question about healthy dry foods.

 I'm now seriously considering putting Pixie on a commercially prepared
 raw food diet after discovering a BARF supplier in a nearby town. (I
 find the BARF moniker hilariously appropriate as a vegetarian ;P)
 Their formulation for cats is strictly meats, organs and bones without
 any vegetable component (which they do however include in the dog
 formulation).

 Marylyn, you wrote that you added organic veggies rich in iron and/or
 vitamin C to Dixie's food -- could you tell me a little more about
 this?

 Sabrina, thanks for recommending the Yahoo raw food groups and
 mentioning some brands of grain-free dry food, which I didn't even
 know existed! If the raw food diet doesn't work out I'll definitely go
 out of my way to find grain-free dry food for Pixie.

 Thanks again everyone.

 Giselle

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Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens be FeLV+??

2008-08-11 Thread Marylyn
Can you have them spay her even though she is pregnant?  Anyway you  
look at it, the kittens have no future.  Some people can do this and  
others just can't.  Neither group is right or wrong.  I guess the  
question is whether it is better to lose your life kindly and gently  
or, after you are several weeks or months old, to a shelter or a car  
or a vicious dog or..  This is something you have to settle in  
your heart.  No one can tell you what is right or wrong.  I know for  
myself and many on this list have made their decisions.  Blessings to  
you for loving and caring.

On Aug 11, 2008, at 7:47 PM, Jennifer wrote:

 and the only possible father is my FeLV+ kitty, Ash.  Isobel is  
 showing signs of pregnancy (hard and protruding tummy as well as  
 pointy nipples).  She's going this Thursday to get tested for FeLV.   
 My question is, if she tests negative (which my guess is she won't  
 being that her and Ash mated), will the kittens be FeLV+ because  
 their father is FeLV+?  Also, if Isobel is pregnant and she is FeLV 
 +, does that automatically mean the kittens will be too?  I feel so  
 horrible about not getting her fixed sooner, but my money is tight  
 and I have to save up just to take them to the vet.  If she is  
 pregnant, I can't keep the kittens as we already have three and my  
 boyfriend is allergic and says no way to any more cats in the house,  
 which I understand.  If I take them to a shelter and they're  
 positive, won't they put them to sleep right away?  I don't want  
 that to happen.  I live in Southern New Jersey...anyone want more  
 kittens??  When I take her to the
 vet this week, I'll have them confirm her pregnancy.

  Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN  LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice.
 ~ loving mama to ~
 Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
 Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Maizee Grace

2008-08-08 Thread Marylyn
Anniversaries are very hard.  Talk to her.  She will comfort you.
On Aug 8, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Sherry DeHaan wrote:

 Today would have been my beautiful baby girls 3rd b-day.What   
 georgeous girl she would have been. Missing her like it was just  
 yesterday that she left me.
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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

2008-08-08 Thread Marylyn
I can't explain all the technical stuff.  Try this website and then  
google it because you have to follow your own heart:  
http://www.horizonvetserv.com/

My understanding is that bloodwork is done to determine how much  
immunity an animal has.  Again, follow your heart with the best  
information you can get.
On Aug 8, 2008, at 11:24 AM, lexingtongrn wrote:

 What is a Rabies Titer?


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 Sent: Friday, August 8, 2008 1:30:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

 Kentucky accepts them.
 On Aug 7, 2008, at 10:31 PM, Sabrina wrote:

 Where are you that titers aren't accepted?  Just curious. 

 I *believe* that rabies titers are not accepted in lieu of the actual
 vaccine, as unnecessary as it may be, in any of the 50 states.

 Sabrina
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 www.LovingGraceRescue.org
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Re: [Felvtalk] Healthy dry foods?

2008-08-08 Thread Marylyn
Primal Raw is as easy as opening a can.  The freezer bag contains  
small cubes of meats and some veggies.  I added organic veggies that  
were rich in iron and/or vitamin c to it (Dixie loved vegetables).  I  
am vegetarian and, while I have cooked for my critters, it is a lot  
easier to do the Primal Raw.  When I am sure the kittens are doing  
well, they will be converted to it.
On Aug 8, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Sabrina wrote:

 Hi Giselle,
 Glad to hear that Pixie is doing so well!

 I would drop Nutro like it's on fire! It's better than some foods,  
 but it's
 still FULL of ingredients that our kitties are not designed to eat.
 Remember, cats are obligate carnivores, so they have ABSOLUTELY NO  
 NEED for
 grains! They need MEAT, and a little, tiny bit of vegetable matter.  
 If they
 do eat these foods they were never meant to eat, over time, it  
 shows. Their
 bodies have to deal with these products that they don't know how to
 digest, which takes it's toll on the body. Especially the  
 filtering organs
 like the liver and kidneys as they have to filter out the toxins.  
 Arthritis,
 allergies, kidney/liver disorders, you name it.

 The BEST thing for our kitties is a natural, raw diet of meat, bone,  
 and a
 little bit of veggies. Yes, it's a bit more work than opening a bag  
 of food,
 but remember that these commercial foods were created to be a  
 convenience to
 pet owners and food produced for convenience are rarely, if ever,
 nutritionally adequate. I'll be honest, raw feeding can be VERY  
 intimidating
 at first, but then you'll get the hang of it. There are also Yahoo  
 groups
 that can help you prepare a nutritionally-balanced diet. Contact me  
 off-list
 if you'd like more info.

 Like I said, the BEST food for an animal is a home-prepared raw  
 diet. Second
 best would be a commercially prepared raw diet. Then a home-prepared  
 cooked,
 then a canned food only diet, and at the bottom of the list would be  
 dry
 food only. If you MUST feed a dry food, go for Innova EVO, Wellness  
 CORE,
 Nature's Variety (Prairie) Raw Instinct, or another grain-free cat  
 food.
 These are somewhat better than grain-filled cat foods, but they are  
 still
 HIGH on carbohydrates, and have FAR more carbs than our kitties can  
 process.
 Whatever you do, stay far, FAR away from the best-known brands, like  
 Science
 Diet, Iams/Eukanuba, Purina, Friskies, Meow Mix, etc. These  
 companies spend
 so much money on advertising that there's really no money left over  
 for the
 actual food, so they are about the lowest quality you can find. Well,
 actually, vet-prescribed diets are the lowest quality, but that's  
 another
 rant all-together!

 Sabrina
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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

2008-08-07 Thread Marylyn
Where are you that titers aren't accepted?  Just curious.
On Aug 7, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

 On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 wrote:

 My homeopathic vet does very few vaccinations. She does rabies titers
 whenever possible.


 We are not legally allowed to use titers for rabies here.  I wish  
 we  could.

 Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

 http://www.rescuties.org

 Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20

 Check out our Memsaic!
 http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9

 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

 Please help with some of our kitties medical needs!

 http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses

 Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take  
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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

2008-08-07 Thread Marylyn
Kentucky accepts them.
On Aug 7, 2008, at 10:31 PM, Sabrina wrote:

 Where are you that titers aren't accepted?  Just curious. 

 I *believe* that rabies titers are not accepted in lieu of the actual
 vaccine, as unnecessary as it may be, in any of the 50 states.

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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

2008-08-06 Thread Marylyn
He most assuredly can be.  I have had non-FeLV+ spayed (much more  
serious) without their vaccinations.  Talk to the vet and if you can't  
do anything find another one.  I just took LCK and LGK to the vet to  
be checked out (they came in from the pine thicket--long story).  They  
went in at different times.  They are young (8 or so weeks) but at the  
age people start getting their shots.  I made it very plain that I  
wanted nothing but worming, de-miting/fleaing etc and what they needed  
for their immediate health (one was dehydrated, vomiting etc).  I want  
them to be older and better health before their system is assaulted  
with vaccines.  The vets agreed to that and (unofficially) supported  
the decision.  If he is not boarding the vet has absolutely no reason  
to vaccinate.
On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Jennifer wrote:

 So wait...my Ash is FeLV+ and getting neutered on the 28th, but he's  
 going in for all his shots on the 14th.  He needs to be fixed  
 because he's spraying and I can't have that.  He can't be fixed  
 without his vaxes.  What should I do?


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 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk  
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 Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 8:40 PM

 She will be vaxed, checked out, and spayed before she is rehomed.
 

 Can you get around vaxing her? If she is FeLV+, she should NOT be
 vaccinated. Only healthy, virus-free animals should be vaccinated.  
 Check
 your vaccine manufacturer's directions. This is what my vaccine  
 (Intervet
 Protex-3) says on the label:

 Only healthy animals should be vaccinated. Animals incubating any
 disease,
 or animals stressed due to shipping, malnutrition or parasitism may  
 not
 achieve or maintain an adequate immune response.

 Her immune system is being taxed by the virus, she does not need  
 further
 challenges to her immune system. Contrary to popular belief,  
 vaccines are
 NOT harmless.

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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

2008-08-06 Thread Marylyn

On Aug 6, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Marylyn wrote:

 Some vets  honestly believe vaccinations are in the best interest of  
 the pet and her guardian.  Dixie received s rabies shot before her  
 tests came back.  There was no reason to suspect that she was FeLV 
 +.  She was full grown and appeared very healthy.  That was the last  
 vaccination she received and that was with the blessing of her vets,  
 both the regular vets and her holistic vets.  Check out the comments  
 and links by Dr. Maier at the bottom of the page:

 http://www.kentuckianapets.com/forum/topic/show?id=1246639%3ATopic%3A1517

 We over vaccinate pets in our loving desire to protect them.
 You are your friend's guardian and advocate.  He cannot stand up for  
 himself.  He is literally at your mercy.  Do what your heart says is  
 best with the best information you can get.

 On Aug 6, 2008, at 8:13 PM, Jennifer wrote:

 Really?  I had no idea vets didn't need to vaccinate in order to  
 neuter/spay.  I guess it's their way of getting more money.  I will  
 run that by my vet and tell him I don't want Ash to get any shots  
 because of his FeLV+ status, and see what he says.  See, that's the  
 thing that bugs me.  Vets are supposed to be animal advocates and  
 do what's right by them, and surely they know that giving FeLV+  
 cats vaccines isn't the best thing to do for their immune  
 system...yet they do it anyway!  It all comes down to the mighty  
 dollar.  Ugh!

 --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 12:30 AM

 He most assuredly can be.  I have had non-FeLV+ spayed (much more
 serious) without their vaccinations.  Talk to the vet and if you  
 can't
 do anything find another one.  I just took LCK and LGK to the vet to
 be checked out (they came in from the pine thicket--long story).   
 They
 went in at different times.  They are young (8 or so weeks) but at  
 the
 age people start getting their shots.  I made it very plain that I
 wanted nothing but worming, de-miting/fleaing etc and what they  
 needed
 for their immediate health (one was dehydrated, vomiting etc).  I  
 want
 them to be older and better health before their system is assaulted
 with vaccines.  The vets agreed to that and (unofficially) supported
 the decision.  If he is not boarding the vet has absolutely no reason
 to vaccinate.
 On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Jennifer wrote:

 So wait...my Ash is FeLV+ and getting neutered on the 28th, but he's
 going in for all his shots on the 14th.  He needs to be fixed
 because he's spraying and I can't have that.  He can't be
 fixed
 without his vaxes.  What should I do?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Furry Laura update ?'s

2008-08-03 Thread Marylyn
I wish Dixie had been a little larger weight wise.  She was so small  
that anemia and the resulting dehydration took her very quickly.  A  
little extra weight might have helped.  Unfortunately, Dixie was very  
good, as most cats are, at disguising health problems.  And you are  
feeding a good food.
On Aug 3, 2008, at 7:54 AM, Laura B wrote:

 Hi All,

 I've been reading through this list, lots of great information!   
 Been trying to chime in but having trouble keeping up with the fast  
 pace lately, you are all very chatty :)  Anyway, Laura, my FeLV +  
 kitty is doing wonderfully.  She had several days of loose stool, a  
 few weeks back and I think it was from the vetri-science treats that  
 I was giving her, they had lysine (she has herpes) and DMG in them.   
 Once I stopped them, she firmed back up again.

 She's gained quite a bit of weight, my neighbor/pet sitter (who  
 visits Laura daily) thinks it might be a bit too much.  But honestly  
 I think having a little bit of extra insulalation is good for her,  
 gives her more of a buffer if she should become sick.  What do you  
 all think?  She's not fat, but she is very solid and borderline a  
 little chunky.  She looks great, all of her fur has grown back (she  
 had alot of bald patches when I got her) and her coat is shiny and  
 dense.

 She eats a full can and 1/2 of wellness per day (5.5 oz can) plus I  
 free feed dry wellness for her.  Since I currently have a very sick  
 14 year old, who won't eat, I'm just thrilled that Laura's appetite  
 is so healthy, maybe it's too much, but again, I think she needs a  
 little extra meat on her on bones.

 Thanks in advance for any comments,

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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn
Some people, including me, contact animal communicators when faced  
with problems.  If you are open to this, try it and what rings true to  
your heartnot your mind but your heart.

On Aug 2, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Lynne wrote:

I'm faced with another horrible decision.  Our 19 year old should be  
leaving this world and I just can't deal with this.  He is pretty  
much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy.  But now he is not  
using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about  
everywhere.  We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest  
thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't care about  
that.  Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floor.  He  
won't sit on our laps anymore.  I've tried so hard to stimulate him  
by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a  
blank stare like he isn't really in that body anymore.  I just can't  
tell if he enjoys living or wants it to end.  I wish they were  
allowed to talk just once in their lives so we could know for sure.


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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn


On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Marylyn wrote:

Can you confine him to an area where he will cause no harm?  Perhaps  
try some sort of sedatives or catnip or ? to relieve whatever  
anxieties he may have?  I am a big believer in Feliway and Rescue  
Remedy.  This is assuming he is having some problems because of  
anxiety and/or is picking up on your anxiety over the problems.   
Just ideas.


If there are no a/cs in your area, most will consult by phone.
Here is the emails of two I know personally:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 (Ann Baumbach)[EMAIL PROTECTED]  (Judy Guetig Greenberg).   
You can email them and ask questions re their qualifications,  
prices, etc.  There are wonderful articles on the internet if you  
Google for them.  This is a website that has some information on  
it:  http://www.horizonvetserv.com  You can do this yourself but you  
may find  that you are too close to the situation.  As always, I am  
putting this on the table.  Take what works for you and leave the  
rest.  If none of it feels right to you, do not feel bad.   We are  
all on our own paths and they are not the same.


Good luck.
On Aug 2, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Lynne wrote:

Thanks Marylyn and Sally.  I have never heard of an animal  
communicator.  And no Sally I haven't taken him to the vet.  We  
agreed though that we are going to before making a decision.  My  
husband said he got so angry last night for what Lennie had done  
but says he doesn't want to have him put down if we can make some  
changes that may help him.  I gave my husband a good lashing about  
getting angry about a poor old senile guy not knowing what he's  
doing and reminded him that there may come a day that he craps  
himself and hopefully no one will get angry at him.  He's always  
been very close to Len, and I know he doesn't want to lose him.  SO  
we are going to make an appointment to have him checked out and see  
if there is anything to help him.  The only problem is, you know  
yourself that some vets will order every test ever invented and  
prescribe a ton of medication that honestly serves no purpose.  I  
can almost predict what Len's vet will do.  Prednisone and  
antibiotics, more blood work maybe even an x-ray.  I've practically  
broke the bank with BooBoo, Snowy and Len.  Still, we'll take him  
in for treatment and work on making a plan to help with mistakes  
at night.  AND I am going to search around to see if there is an  
animal communicator in my area.


Again, thanks girls for the advice.
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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn


On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Marylyn wrote:

You are listening to your heart.  This is good.  Try some fresh  
catnip now that he is having problems.  Tastes change and a few  
leaves won't hurt a thing.

On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Lynne wrote:

Thanks again Marylyn.  I had just sat down to do some googling for  
Len.  We have a nice back room, the laundry room, just redid it  
with easily cleanable flooring so we've decided that will be his  
night time room.  We're also able to leave the patio door open  
enough for him to go out there but not wide enough that intruders  
could get in.  The patio is screened in and he enjoys being out  
there during the day.  It's at night when the problems arise, kind  
of like my mom was with Alzheimer's.  | want to do some searching  
about medications too, perhaps sedative and/or calming type  
products.  I have cat nip growing all over the place but neither of  
our cats care about the stuff.  I am also going to look for the  
Feliway.  It's certainly worth a try.  We're not going to give up  
on him yet.  I just don't think it's quite the time.


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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn


On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Marylyn wrote:

Be very careful with lavender.  There is something in the essential  
oil that is poisonous to cats.  Or so my holistic vet, who is an  
expert in cats, says.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19


This is the amazon.com link for Feliway.  I cannot imagine vets not  
carrying it.  Oh well.



On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Lynne wrote:

I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway.   
I also called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able  
to carry it, just vets.  I may have to order it online.  But I will  
try some fresh catnip.  That I have no problem in finding.  Before  
I go to bed at night with Snowball I always spritz the pillows with  
lavender because it is a calming herb.  I swear Snowball enjoys it  
as much as I do.  I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender guy but  
who knows.  I'll try anything.


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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: feliway availability

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn
Thank goodness I have never had that problem and my vets (both regular  
and holistic) believe in it,  use it and sell it.  I do not like the  
plug in version at all though.

On Aug 2, 2008, at 2:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote:

most vets here don't carry it, as it's not a medicine--but for a  
brief period last year, no STORES could carry it because the state  
of michigan decided that it was a drug, and the company that made it  
refused to put it through the years of clinical trials involved,  
since no OTHER state was treating it as a drug. it is now available  
in pet stores again, so i guess the state gave that little money- 
making scheme up.



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wrote:


On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Marylyn wrote:

Be very careful with lavender.  There is something in the essential  
oil that is poisonous to cats.  Or so my holistic vet, who is an  
expert in cats, says.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19


This is the amazon.com link for Feliway.  I cannot imagine vets  
not carrying it.  Oh well.



On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Lynne wrote:

I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway.   
I also called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able  
to carry it, just vets.  I may have to order it online.  But I  
will try some fresh catnip.  That I have no problem in finding.   
Before I go to bed at night with Snowball I always spritz the  
pillows with lavender because it is a calming herb.  I swear  
Snowball enjoys it as much as I do.  I somehow don't picture Len  
as a lavender guy but who knows.  I'll try anything.


Lynne





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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn
Can you confine him to an area where he will cause no harm?  Perhaps  
try some sort of sedatives or catnip or ? to relieve whatever  
anxieties he may have?  I am a big believer in Feliway and Rescue  
Remedy.  This is assuming he is having some problems because of  
anxiety and/or is picking up on your anxiety over the problems.  Just  
ideas.


If there are no a/cs in your area, most will consult by phone.   Here  
is the emails of two I know personally:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
(Ann Baumbach)[EMAIL PROTECTED]  (Judy Guetig Greenberg).  You  
can email them and ask questions re their qualifications, prices,  
etc.  There are wonderful articles on the internet if you Google for  
them.  This is a website that has some information on it:  http://www.horizonvetserv.com 
  You can do this yourself but you may find  that you are too close  
to the situation.  As always, I am putting this on the table.  Take  
what works for you and leave the rest.  If none of it feels right to  
you, do not feel bad.   We are all on our own paths and they are not  
the same.


Good luck.
On Aug 2, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Lynne wrote:

Thanks Marylyn and Sally.  I have never heard of an animal  
communicator.  And no Sally I haven't taken him to the vet.  We  
agreed though that we are going to before making a decision.  My  
husband said he got so angry last night for what Lennie had done but  
says he doesn't want to have him put down if we can make some  
changes that may help him.  I gave my husband a good lashing about  
getting angry about a poor old senile guy not knowing what he's  
doing and reminded him that there may come a day that he craps  
himself and hopefully no one will get angry at him.  He's always  
been very close to Len, and I know he doesn't want to lose him.  SO  
we are going to make an appointment to have him checked out and see  
if there is anything to help him.  The only problem is, you know  
yourself that some vets will order every test ever invented and  
prescribe a ton of medication that honestly serves no purpose.  I  
can almost predict what Len's vet will do.  Prednisone and  
antibiotics, more blood work maybe even an x-ray.  I've practically  
broke the bank with BooBoo, Snowy and Len.  Still, we'll take him in  
for treatment and work on making a plan to help with mistakes at  
night.  AND I am going to search around to see if there is an animal  
communicator in my area.


Again, thanks girls for the advice.
Lynne
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From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

Some people, including me, contact animal communicators when faced  
with problems.  If you are open to this, try it and what rings true  
to your heartnot your mind but your heart.

On Aug 2, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Lynne wrote:

I'm faced with another horrible decision.  Our 19 year old should  
be leaving this world and I just can't deal with this.  He is  
pretty much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy.  But now he is  
not using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about  
everywhere.  We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest  
thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't care  
about that.  Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the  
floor.  He won't sit on our laps anymore.  I've tried so hard to  
stimulate him by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and  
there is just a blank stare like he isn't really in that body  
anymore.  I just can't tell if  he enjoys living or wants it to  
end.  I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so  
we could know for sure.


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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn
I've used them and have had very good luck.  How do you know what a  
baby without words wants?  Or how one cop can sense where the bad guy  
is hiding when dozens others can't?  Or the feeling you get when  
sometime is just really wrong?  There are charlatans out there  
unfortunately.  You are the only person who can decide if it is right  
for you right now.

On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:04 PM, Jennifer wrote:

Do they really work?  I've heard really bad stories about pet  
psychics.  I'm sure animals can be tapped into because they have  
brains, they have feelings, they can think...but I don't know...the  
whole thing seems a bit hoaky.  I'd like to be proven wrong though.


 Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN  LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice.
~ loving mama to ~
  Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
  Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 2:43 PM

Some people, including me, contact animal communicators when faced  
with problems.  If you are open to this, try it and what rings true  
to your heartnot your mind but your heart.

On Aug 2, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Lynne wrote:

I'm faced with another horrible decision.  Our 19 year old should  
be leaving this world and I just can't deal with this.  He is  
pretty much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy.  But now he is  
not using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about  
everywhere.  We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest  
thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't care  
about that.  Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the  
floor.  He won't sit on our laps anymore.  I've tried so hard to  
stimulate him by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and  
there is just a blank stare like he isn't really in that body  
anymore.  I just can't tell if he enjoys living or wants it to  
end.  I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so  
we could know for sure.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn
Ferals will frequently get back in the cage..I have had to release  
the five who stay at my Mom's more times than I can count and so have  
her neighbors.
On Aug 2, 2008, at 5:30 PM, Sally Davis wrote:

 There is this  feral cat where I work. She has been fixed and her  
 ear has been clipped. Getting her to a vet would be impossible as I  
 imagine she would not get in a trap again. That being said she is  
 very friendly to one lady at work who feeds her canned food. Anyway  
 for the past couple months she has had on and off runny eyes and  
 nose. She sneezes. Well figuring there was a chance it was herpes  
 virus I gave Pat Junior's left over Lysine. In a weeks time she  
 started clearing up. Baby Girl is feeling much better.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn
Colostrum is wonderful as far as I am concerned for any stressed  
animal.  The two feral kittens I have been adopted by are getting it  
daily.  They had a hard beginning.  I want them to have everything I  
can think of to help them overcome it.  They are also getting  
probiotics, grain free food etc.  They have not been tested for FeLV  
or FIV yet.  And I have not had them vaccinated for anything.  They  
are inside so, as far as I am concerned, I can give them some extra  
time to gain weight and just be.   I have been told that colostrum can  
be used if Transfer Factor is out of the question.  I have used it on  
cats.  Please remember I believe in a combination of traditional and  
alternative vets.  The first place Dixie Louise went after we took  
execution off the table was to Dr. Betty Boswell.  Betty saw her  
regularly until the day she died.  Dixie was extremely healthy until  
very shortly (like days) before she left this world and her exit was  
fairly easy and quick.


On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Sally Davis wrote:

 Hi Wendy

 Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I  
 believe the
 addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV  
 especially if
 they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to  
 whether it
 boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a  
 cat that
 does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I  
 gave
 Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the  
 herpes
 virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary
 infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether  
 you are
 able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant  
 to be
 inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO.

 I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am  
 uncertain
 how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff  
 and I
 think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If  
 you are
 going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has
 changed formulation but is it the plus form.

 Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so  
 passionate.
 Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going  
 far
 longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing.  
 He lived
 another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got   
 real bad
 very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in  
 case I can
 help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope  
 I am
 not put to the test again.

 Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bring MM in the house

2008-07-31 Thread Marylyn
I really believe in using Feliway spray and Rescue Remedy when  
introducing/calming cats.  Spray the area where they are and where  
they will be and put the RR in the water of all cats involved (and  
consider taking some yourself).  Put washcloths, towels other such  
stuff that the cats have been on (petted with, slept on etc) with the  
other cat/cats so they can get used to the odors.  I am introducing  
two kittensthe new guy is spending a lot of time in a very large  
carrier where the other one can play with him and they can smell each  
other, talk to each other etc.  Maybe you can figure out something  
simularmaybe a screen door??  And have a safe place for the FIV+  
to stay after brief visits with the regular crewmeeting and  
greeting can be exhausting and can go sour quickly.  None of them  
(again, including you) need that kind of stress.

Good luck.  It will work.

New thought:  Are they going to be using the same litter box?  If so,  
try putting some of MM's leavings in the others' box and visa  
versa.  Not a lot but just enough over a period of time to let them  
adjust.


On Jul 31, 2008, at 9:12 PM, April and Jay wrote:

 Hello! Tomorrow we are going to bring our FIV+ cat MM into our  
 house. He is staying in our camper right now. We are going to keep  
 him in a bedroom for a few weeks before we introduce him to our FIv-  
 crew. Is there any tips, advice etc. anyone can give me? Thanks!
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Re: [Felvtalk] New member here

2008-07-30 Thread Marylyn


On Jul 30, 2008, at 6:26 AM, Marylyn wrote:

It doesn't matter how old they are when they leave.it breaks  
your heart. However, he left loved and cared for.  The comfort in  
that.  And he added so much to your life.



On Jul 30, 2008, at 2:20 AM, Karen Griffith wrote:


Jennifer,

I am glad that you are taking such good care of Ash.  I don't get  
the time to post to the list often, but am willing to take  
telephone calls for advise.  I am a 1974 Ohio State University grad  
in Animal Science and have my Masters work in Animal Nutrition and  
Physiology...with over 30 plus years experience and additional  
study as an Animal Scientist (Physiology/Pathology) and  
Nutritionist.  I have worked with many FeLV cats.  I now work  
mainly holistically, but also advise the use of traditional  
veterinary medications along with the natural.  I can work with  
your veterinarian if you so wish.  If you, or your veterinarian,   
would like to give me a call, I can answer any questions you may  
have and hopefully help you on your way to better health with your  
kitty.


Let me know the best time to reach you by phone if I am not  
available when you call.  There is no charge for my services or  
suggestions to anyone on this list.My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
.


My other contact info is following.

Looking forward to speaking with you.  (This invitation also goes  
out to anyone one this list that is in need of help.)


P.S. below, please read.

Karen Griffith
Karen Griffith Farms
34440 State Route 7
Pomeroy, Ohio 45769
Phone: 740-992-5782
Website: www.karengriffith.com
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

If you would put 'Old Tom' in your prayers, it would be  
appreciated.  He was 25 years old 'I knew this for sure as I had  
him for 20 years', and had judged him at at least10 by his teeth  
when I castrated him and did his teeth. He died in the lightning  
storm we had here last week.  He was FeLV positive for the last 10  
yrs, and had endured other severe problems, but was in great health  
at his 'untimely' demise.  You all will think I'm crazy for being  
upset at losing him this way, but it was storming too severely to  
go out in the lightning storm and hail to get him in...I had just  
let him outside 15 minutes before the storm suddenly rolled in.   
There were over 100mph straight line winds, many huge trees down,  
power lines, structural damage, etc.  I miss him terribly.  I have  
25 cats I am taking care of, but 'The Old Man' was special.  He was  
a tough, proud old guy.  There are a lot of good stories about  
him.  (I started to tell a few, but decided to leave it at that).
I just miss him.


The neighbor lost 2 horses in the storm as wellall 70 head of  
my horses came through OK.

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Re: [Felvtalk] New member here

2008-07-30 Thread Marylyn
She doesn't have a name yet.  The right one will come.  However, she  
got a new brother this morning,  Another little one came out of the  
pine thicket a few days ago.  He was extremely weak two days ago.  I  
started feeding him chicken breast Monday and Tuesday.  That livened  
him up a little.  I put this little one in her carrier on the patio.   
He came to investigate.  I suspect the conversation revolved around  
food, toys, food, dry sleeping quarters, food, kind words,  
foodHe was not skittish at all and came within about 3 inches  
of getting in the carrier by himself.  He got close enough that I  
could safely get him in a carrier and haul him to the vets'.  They may  
be litter mates.  They are both too young to test for FeLV but, to be  
honest, even if they test + (and I am sure they won't) they will have  
EVERYYTHHHINGGG all their days.  I just have  
to adjust to having kittens.  I have never raised any.I always  
found them homes and kept older cats. :)))  At the first  
opportunity both will see a holistic vet, Dr. Betty Boswelll, in  
Louisville for a general checkup.  I am going to start both on various  
supplements, especially colostrum, just to aid in their development.   
They, like all the critters who have blessed my life, have had a rough  
start.


Again, please listen to the people on this list and take what seems  
right for you and yours.  Some believe in holistic/alternative care,  
some believe in conventional care, some, like me, believe in a  
combination.  Some believe in communicators, others don't.  It is a  
good variety and the range of experiences is  impressive.  Pick your  
path but do not be afraid to veer from it.  Just make your decisions  
with both your heart and your head.  It worked with the Royal Princess  
Kitty Katt and it worked with Dixie Louise.  It will work with these  
two and it will work for you.

On Jul 30, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Jennifer wrote:

That's such a touching story...brought tears to my eyes.  What is  
your new kitty's name?  Hopefully she's with you for a very long  
time :)


 Jennifer
~ loving mama to ~
  Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
  Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
  Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008)


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From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New member here
To:
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 5:31 AM


On Jul 29, 2008, at 11:59 PM, Marylyn wrote:

Dixie came to me as a grown throw away who had been on her own for  
a long time.  She found her way to my Mom's where she hung out with  
the ferals who came for food, water and shelter.  For three years  
and 12 days she had everything a little cat could want.  She became  
the owner of a farm in rural Ky with a large sunroom, window sills,  
deer, turkey and windows everywhere; Christmas trees that stayed up  
for months just because she liked to sleep under them; a large bed  
with pillows and dolls...everything a little cat could want,  
even things she didn't know about when she came into my life.   She  
had the best regular and holist medical care available from the day  
I found out that she was FeLV+ and was so wonderfully healthy that  
I believed she had beaten it.  She remained healthy until a couple  
of days before she left this world.   When she left she was beside  
me, where she was always the safest, and in a Jeep that had taken  
her on many great adventures (she loved to travel between the farm  
and a home in Louisville).  I have no regrets at all about having  
this wonderful little girl in my life.  She taught me so much.   
Now, a month after she left,  she has sent me a tiny kitten from  
the same pine thicket she came from.  Apparently she thought this  
little one, who was alone just as she had been,  should have  
everything too.   There are no certainities in life.  It sounds  
like you have a good grasp on the situation.  This group has people  
knowledgeable in supplements that can help strengthen all your  
cats.  Please listen to them and your heart.






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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz anemia update

2008-07-30 Thread Marylyn


On Jul 30, 2008, at 11:28 PM, Marylyn wrote:

It has been 10 years since I fixed it for Mai Mai.  I got beef  
liver, lightly cooked it the grinded it up.  I froze it in muffin  
pans so I fixed quite a bit at a time.  I am vegetarian so I tried  
to do a week or so supply.  They are saying that liquids are better  
for absorption than pills if you can find some pet tinic.  That is  
what we tried on Dixie.  If you can't get it easily, www.amazon.com  
has it very reasonably.  Mai Mai was a wonderful dog so she ate a  
lot more than a little cat.  She was also very terminal so she  
pretty well got what she wanted.


One of the holistic vets here recommended raw beef or buffalo/bison,  
preferably organic.  Apparently the bison are raised with fewer drugs.


Just a thoughtyou might grind some liver raw for him.  Literally  
to a soup.  It couldn't do harm that I can see.  I fed Dixie Primal  
Raw and believe in a raw diet.  If he eats it fine if not then try  
to cook some.


Remember that the antibiotics may make him tired but do not  
attribute it all to that.  Keep a very close watch on his gums.


Good luck.
On Jul 30, 2008, at 8:07 PM, Sue  Frank Koren wrote:


Marylyn
I was so sorry to hear about your Dixie.  When I first started on  
this list I remember you saying how special she was to you. It must  
have been so awful to lose her!  Every time we lose one of our  
friends it’s like they take a piece of us with them.  I just lost  
my Tucker on May 31 and it still hurts so much.


How did you fix the liver? Was it chicken liver or beef liver?  I  
have Pet-Tabs vitamins that I have been mixing in with tuna and  
feeding him for the last couple of days.  They say there is 5.0 mg  
of iron in each tablet.


For the last couple of days it has seemed like Buzz has been just  
too tired to purr.  On the deck tonight I was giving him a Reiki  
treatment and he started purring and kept it up for a while.  He  
was rubbing his head against my hands like he was really enjoying  
it.   I am going to take that as a good sign.

Sue


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Re: [Felvtalk] New member here

2008-07-29 Thread Marylyn
This is a hard one but remember that there is nothing certain in this  
world and do not obsess over the diagnosis.  Concentrate on the  
wonderful friends you have and enjoy your lives together.  Give all  
the cats the best food you can and give them the supplements that seem  
right to you.  If you have a holistic/alternative vet available,  
consider checking her out.  I had a little over three wonderful years  
with Dixie.  She wasn't sick until a few days before she left this  
world.  I hope you enjoy a lot more years than I had but I would  
never, ever give up one minute with Dixie Louise...not for  
anything.  The time I had with this wonderful being was worth any price.


Listen to the members of this group.  They are great.

Good luck and all the blessings possible to you and all your little  
friends.

On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:13 PM, Jennifer Lynn wrote:

Hi everyone.  My name is Jennifer and I live in New Jersey.  My one  
year old male kitty, Ash, was just diagnosed with FeLV yesterday.  I  
also have two other cats, Morrison and Isobel, and they've been  
living with Ash for a year (I've had him since birth).  He's blind  
in one eye and has developmental problems in his back area, but  
other than the obvious (his illness), he's a very happy, content,  
sweet and playful boy!  Very talkative as well, especially in the  
morning!  He's all black with tiny white hairs throughout his coat  
that you need to really look to see.  He eats like a pig and right  
now, seems healthy.  He's getting fixed in a month (that's the  
soonest my vet could get him in) and my other two cats are being  
tested for FeLV in two weeks and if they test negative (which I  
really hope is the case), they're getting vaccinated.  My oldest,  
Morrison, was supposedly vaccinated two years ago, but they have no  
record of it at my vet's office, though they told me he was  
vaccinated when I took him for his shots two years ago.


I am looking forward to chatting with you all and I really wish all  
the best for you and your kitties!


PS - can we share pictures of our cats on here?

- Jennifer (and Ash too!)


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Re: [Felvtalk] New member here

2008-07-29 Thread Marylyn


On Jul 29, 2008, at 11:59 PM, Marylyn wrote:

Dixie came to me as a grown throw away who had been on her own for a  
long time.  She found her way to my Mom's where she hung out with  
the ferals who came for food, water and shelter.  For three years  
and 12 days she had everything a little cat could want.  She became  
the owner of a farm in rural Ky with a large sunroom, window sills,  
deer, turkey and windows everywhere; Christmas trees that stayed up  
for months just because she liked to sleep under them; a large bed  
with pillows and dolls...everything a little cat could want,  
even things she didn't know about when she came into my life.   She  
had the best regular and holist medical care available from the day  
I found out that she was FeLV+ and was so wonderfully healthy that I  
believed she had beaten it.  She remained healthy until a couple of  
days before she left this world.   When she left she was beside me,  
where she was always the safest, and in a Jeep that had taken her on  
many great adventures (she loved to travel between the farm and a  
home in Louisville).  I have no regrets at all about having this  
wonderful little girl in my life.  She taught me so much.  Now, a  
month after she left,  she has sent me a tiny kitten from the same  
pine thicket she came from.  Apparently she thought this little one,  
who was alone just as she had been,  should have everything too.
There are no certainities in life.  It sounds like you have a good  
grasp on the situation.  This group has people knowledgeable in  
supplements that can help strengthen all your cats.  Please listen  
to them and your heart.



On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:52 PM, Jennifer Lynn wrote:

Thank you for responding.  I am going to concentrate on keeping Ash  
(and my other kitties) as healthy as possible.  I've been feeding  
them better food for months now...Eukenuba Naturals.  They really  
like it and it helps with their urine and feces (they don't smell  
as much!).  I keep their litter box clean at all times and they  
always have fresh, cold water.  I am very observant of them and I  
try to give them all the love possible.  I am just going to deal  
with this as it comes and treat Ash like a normal cat (like I've  
been doing his whole life) and keep on giving him all the love I  
can :)


I am sorry to hear about your Dixie :(  She's in kitty heaven now  
and nothing can hurt her :)


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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz anemia update

2008-07-28 Thread Marylyn
Try some liver.  I gave it to a wonderful dog who was anemic and it  
helped.  There are some vitamins (Pet Tinic comes to mind) that has  
iron in it too.


Just ideas but sometimes we have to try whatever gives us any hope.   
Dixie developed anemia very quickly.  It was regenerative but the  
suddenness and severity took her from me before we could get it  
reversed.  She had wonderful care from her regular vets and from her  
holistic vet.  If you have access to a holistic/alternative vet, you  
might contact her to see what she recommends.


Good luck to you both.  Remember, though, that the important thing is  
the love you give and the time you spend with your little friend.

On Jul 28, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Sue  Frank Koren wrote:




Hello everyone -
Today I got doxycycline from the vet.  It came in 50mg capsules  
which I have
to open up and divide in two.  I mix half with water and give it  
to Buzzy in a
syringe.  Half a capsule every 12 hours.  Tomorrow he goes for  
some kind of
protein test and possibly set him up with a specialist for a  
transfusion.
When I questioned the vet she said his anemia is not the non- 
regenerative
kind.  Doesn't that mean there is more hope?  He is still eating  
fairly
well.  I have cooked him chicken, and I am mixing some vitamins  
in with
tuna.  I feed him a little bit as often as I can; he seems to  
eat more that
way.  In a little while I will take him out on the deck to sit  
in my lap for

a while.  He loves smelling the fresh air.
I hope this message goes through to the list, this is my fourth  
try.

Thanks for all the help, more suggestions are still appreciated.
Sue


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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2008-07-24 Thread Marylyn
Check with Alley Cat Advocates or any TNR group in your area.   
Consider them a feral colony.  They will help you.  Live trapping is  
easy.  Just remember to be very careful.  A feral bit my finger and  
broke it.and, two surgeries later, it is doing fine.  Luckily I  
had good insurance.  And still had possession of the cat so she could  
be spayed and quarantined for the appropriate amount of time.  If your  
cats really want to be outside, put up a dog kennel so they can go  
thru the pet door into the kennel.  It is great.  With farmland, you  
probably have fox and coyote.  They will kill a cat in a heart beat.   
My Mom has ferals (people dump them in the strip mall behind her  
property) and she has to be concerned about the hawks.  I just got a  
very small kitten from the pine thicket.  She is in the bedroom now,  
napping.  All of this is to say, be careful with your own cats.  I did  
not realize all the dangers when I moved to the farm.  I had hoped to  
have lots of cared for outside cats. That probably won't happen.  Help  
the ferals you can.  Mom has had a couple of dozen spayed/neutered and  
released.  Some stay, some go.  It is very hard when they go and all  
you can do is hope they found a good place to live.  ACA has a good  
website with lots of information re caring for ferals.


I am very sorry Trixter left this world.  I just lost Dixie Louise.   
She made my life so much better though.  I would not have missed one  
second of the time we had together.  Not a nano second.


Good luck.
On Jul 24, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Sharon Harden wrote:


Hi All,

I am new to Felv and just lost my Trixter to this awful Disease. I  
want to thank all of you for the information I have been reading  
from you all.


I have many ferals around my house because of the 3 fields that  
surround me. I have talked to the farmer but he is not interested in  
trying to help me help his cats. I have had to close up my cat door  
to protect my other 3.




I dont know anything about rounding them up and would hate to catch  
them just to be put to death. Any suggestions.



Regards to all, Sharon



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Re: [Felvtalk] like seeing a ghost

2008-07-24 Thread Marylyn
Or Boo could have sent his son to help you recover from your grief.   
I, too, believe in signs.  This little one is in your life for a reason.

On Jul 24, 2008, at 7:18 PM, Sharyl wrote:

Lynne, I don't know what to suggest.  I believe in signs.  Maybe  
BooBoo has sent his son to you for help.  You could call the humane  
society field worker.  Sounds like any home would be better than  
what he has now.


Sharyl

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From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Felvtalk] like seeing a ghost
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 6:20 PM

Most of you know about my experience with BooBoo, the Felv positive  
who died after owning him for only a month.  It was without a doubt  
the most tragic thing I have ever been through in my life..  Not  
long after that we got a rescued persian Snowball who was neglected  
and in foster care for 4 months because she was so ill.  She has  
feline herpes virus, not active and is absolutely thriving now.


Tonight my husband calls me out to the front yard, and who is  
sitting there?  BooBoo's son.  I don't know if he is Felv positive  
or not.  Just as BooBoo was, he has sores on his head, matted fur,  
dirty ears and most likely fleas.  I feel like I'm experiencing our  
tragedy all over again.  If I knew he was not positive, I would take  
him inside right now and those despicable people would never see him  
again.  Odd how he has chosen our house to hang around.  The owners  
were warned about taking care of their cats and I know all I have to  
do is call this field worker at the humane society and he will come  
and pick him up.  I just don't know what to do.  I could never  
subject Snowball to any harm, not after what she went through prior  
to living with us but I don't want to see this little guy suffer  
either.  If this kitty is Felv positive, perhaps a rescue would take  
him.  I simply could not afford the emotional and financial  
devestation we experienced watching BooBoo die.  I'm totally  
confused right now.


Lynne
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Re: [Felvtalk] Any info on FIV cats and non FIV cats

2008-07-23 Thread Marylyn
Consider using Feliway (spray, not plug in) in the room you introduce  
them in and using Rescue Remedy in the water of all involved cats (and  
maybe yourself) for a couple of days prior.  Also consider putting  
items he sleeps on (towel or maybe a wash cloth you have rubbed him  
with a lot) with the other cats and visa versa so they get used to  
each others smells.


Good luck.  This is a wonderful thing to do and he will be a wonderful  
cat for you.  Cats who have been on the streets and chose to live with  
you are the greatest little friends you can have.

On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:50 PM, Laurieskatz wrote:

I think, too, you want to wait a bit before introducing him to the  
other cats. Keep him in his own room for a couple weeks. And  
supervise the first meetings….

Laurie

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any info on FIV cats and non FIV cats

April, be sure he has been neutered and then you shouldn't have any  
major problems.  There is a Yahoo feral cat group that has some  
great files on taming strays and introducing them to your home.


http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feral_cats/

Sharyl

--- On Tue, 7/22/08, April and Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: April and Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Felvtalk] Any info on FIV cats and non FIV cats
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 9:01 PM
I am thinking of bring in a sweet sray we've been caring for into  
our home.
He is FIV Positive and non of my cats are. From what I have been  
reading it
only seems to be past on by a deep bite wound. Does anyone have a  
FIV cat with
non FIV cats? He has been very healthy. How long a life do they  
usely have?

Thanks ahead of time!
Apri


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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Re: [feline-hyperT] OT Cat Litter

2008-07-21 Thread Marylyn
The blue crystals mixed with it contain an anti-bacterial substance  
that is a poison.  I was doing some correspondence trying to get the  
place crystals (without the disinfectant) which are great.  One  
company (can't remember which) almost acknowledged the problem saying  
they didn't cause problems in most cats.  I don't get anything with  
the blue--not the clay or the self absorbing whatever.

On Jul 21, 2008, at 12:21 AM, catatonya wrote:

Could someone remind me what's wrong with the silica gel type  
litter???

tia
t

M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: M [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:39:18 -0500
Subject: Re: [feline-hyperT] OT Cat Litter

Thanks, Tonya. I would appreciate knowing why it is poisonous.

Thanks,
Missy

- Original Message -
From: catatonya
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [feline-hyperT] OT Cat Litter

I don't recall the exact reason, but have always been told that the  
silicone crystals are poisonous to cats on my leukemia list. I can  
check if you'd like.

tonya

M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am considering using the cat litter crystals. Is there any reason  
to not use this? Right now I am using the clumping litter but I now  
have an enclosed litter box and I am afraid the dust might be bad  
for Teddy. What do you recommend?


Thanks,
Missy

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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

2008-07-20 Thread Marylyn

Time for another vet.
On Jul 20, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Debbie Harrison wrote:

Ok, to answer you then...she specializes in well animals!!   
LOL...she hates doing any surgeries, and probably should never have  
become a vet (my personal opinion).


Debbie (COL)
You gotta bloom where you're planted!


Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:24:07 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

lol. i meant does he specialize in cats or is he more of a 'dog'  
person


Debbie Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The wrong kind, obviously!!!

Debbie (COL)
You gotta bloom where you're planted!


Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:15:13 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

yes, hyper thyroid is very common with cats. what kind of vet do you  
go to


Debbie Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Question...is hyper-t hyper thyroid???  It is what I suspected  
with my Baby Ruben...but the vet says cats don't get thatI  
tried to argue the point, but she wouldn't listen...


Debbie (COL)
You gotta bloom where you're planted!


Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:26:08 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight.  Everyone here  
has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a  
few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation).  I got him  
into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back.  That's what  
it was.  The vet detected a heart murmer as well.  He is an  
estimated 18 years old.  He had a fever and the vet put him on some  
amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course.


Problem.  He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any  
med.s down him.  I've given up on everything except the tapazole and  
he still hides.  Should I stress him out with the chase down?  Crate  
him for a while?  He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I  
have an appt. with vet again on Monday.  We were supposed to wait a  
month, but he's getting worse, not better.


Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other  
advice?  I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la.


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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

2008-07-19 Thread Marylyn
If you can crate him and cover his crate with a sheet sprayed with  
Feliway it might helpmaybe put Rescue Rememdy in his water.
On Jul 19, 2008, at 10:26 AM, catatonya wrote:

 My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight.  Everyone here  
 has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a  
 few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation).  I got him  
 into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back.  That's what  
 it was.  The vet detected a heart murmer as well.  He is an  
 estimated 18 years old.  He had a fever and the vet put him on some  
 amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course.

 Problem.  He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any  
 med.s down him.  I've given up on everything except the tapazole and  
 he still hides.  Should I stress him out with the chase down?  Crate  
 him for a while?  He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I  
 have an appt. with vet again on Monday.  We were supposed to wait a  
 month, but he's getting worse, not better.

 Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other  
 advice?  I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Admin: New website design

2008-07-17 Thread Marylyn
Is there a mailing address for those of us who don't do credit cards?
On Jul 17, 2008, at 4:54 PM, James G Wilson wrote:

 On 17 Jul 2008 at 16:18, Gloria Lane wrote:

 It does load up faster, James - is that because of the
 new server or hosting co, or what?

 It's a combination of the new host service and the new
 design. I'm still in shock that folks hadn't told me earlier
 that the old design was so bad... At least it's fixed now,
 and the links and info are updated. Again, if anyone has
 more information and/or comments about the site, please
 let me know. Best wishes to all.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - feline Luk positive

2008-07-15 Thread Marylyn
Thanks.  She had the best of everything and was very happy and loved.   
I miss her so much.  Right now I am looking at a little 4 week old (?)  
copper kitten that came from the same pine thicket Dixie came from.   
After a day of talking, assuring and reassuring her, she allowed me to  
snatch her up and bring her to the farm.  Before you think me awful  
for taking one so young you need to know there are 5 hawks in the  
thicket and she would not have survived very long.  I think her mother  
knew that and sent her meowing toward my mother's home.  She will be  
loved and cared for all of her days.  This little one was born about  
the time Dixie was leaving and is a favorite color of Dixie's.  This  
makes things easier.
On Jul 15, 2008, at 8:11 AM, Jane Lyons wrote:

 Marylyn
 I've been off this list since the server problem. I am so shocked and
 saddened to
 hear about Dixie. I know how much you loved her and can imagine how
 difficult
 it must be without her.  She is so lucky to have felt safe and loved.
 I am so sorry.
 Jane






 On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Marylyn wrote:

 The first and really only thing I can tell you is to enjoy every
 minute you have with your wonderful friend while being alert for any
 infections/problems.  Do not get hung up on the FeLV thing.  Learn
 about it but do not let it ruin the time you have with your friend.
 That time may be long or short, as it may be with any of us.  Dixie
 Louise Doodle Katt, JP enjoyed and I treasure three years with me.
 She had everything a little cat could want with the possible  
 exception
 of mice to hunt.  She had the best regular and holistic care from the
 day we found out she was FeLV+.  She left this world suddenly after  
 an
 infection that left her anemic.  She was fine one day then two days
 later we were making a Code Three run to her vets 21/2 hours away.
 She left this world the next night, riding in the Jeep that took her
 on many adventures and with me by her side.  I am sure she felt safe
 and loved.  I would not trade one second with this wonderful little
 grey cat for all the pain I have felt since she left.  Treasure your
 time.  Give your friend the best you can and create a wonderful life
 for him and wonderful memories for yourself.

 Others on this list can make recommendations for care.  Dixie had  
 both
 regular and holistic care.  Luckily I could/would afford this for her
 even if other things had to go.  And, just as luckily, she loved to
 travel so getting her this care was very possible.  There are a lot  
 of
 supplements available.  Listen to those on this list.  Feed him the
 best possible diet.I really liked Primal Raw and no grain foods.
 Try to reduce the stress in your friend's life.  Dixie had to  
 tolerate
 living in a home that was being constructed and reconstructed but
 seemed to adapt wonderfully.

 Love your little friend with all your heart and let him love you with
 his.

 Good luck and blessings to you.
 On Jul 14, 2008, at 8:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Last summer my son brought home a kitten who was between 2 1/2 and 3
 weeks old.  He found him beside his dead sibling.  He was actually
 in good health.  We bought some kitten formula and he drank like a
 horse.  We worked on getting him use to people so that he could
 eventually get him into a rescue.  My daughter who was living with
 me at the time took her cat in for his regular shots, and took kiwi
 with her so she could be looked at.  I guess kiwi was about 3 months
 old then.  We were very shocked when kiwi came back positive for
 feline luk.  The doctors asked without saying the words if we wanted
 to put him asleep.  We said no.  At that point she was and kind of
 still is a very healthy happy one year old who loves to wrestle with
 our cocker and would love to play with my daughter's Japanese Bob
 Tail Cat, but unfortunately we have to keep them separate.  The
 Japanese Bob Tail Cat has been immunized against Feline Luk, but we
 have also heard that the shot does not offer 100% protection.  It's
 sad because they use to love to play together.  We were hoping that
 in a few months kiwi would come back negative, but he came back
 positive for the second test.  He still is very active, but he has
 been having trouble with loose bowels.  He is also a bit on the thin
 side.  I don't have the money to take him to the vets and we have
 tried to find him a rescue and or foster home, but right now it
 doesn't seem like any are available.  One thing positive is that we
 were able to find an organization to neuter him.  Now he doesn't
 spray.  Thank God!  He is funny sometimes.  Some times he gets one
 of his claws caught  in things like curtains, and cat toys.  He was
 trying to catch a fly one day by our back patio window and his nail
 got caught in the curtain and he couldn't get free.  He was scared
 and somehow got himself wrapped in the curtain.  He was so grateful
 when I freed him.  His favorite toy is a 3 inch round

Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - feline Luk positive

2008-07-14 Thread Marylyn
The first and really only thing I can tell you is to enjoy every  
minute you have with your wonderful friend while being alert for any  
infections/problems.  Do not get hung up on the FeLV thing.  Learn  
about it but do not let it ruin the time you have with your friend.   
That time may be long or short, as it may be with any of us.  Dixie  
Louise Doodle Katt, JP enjoyed and I treasure three years with me.   
She had everything a little cat could want with the possible exception  
of mice to hunt.  She had the best regular and holistic care from the  
day we found out she was FeLV+.  She left this world suddenly after an  
infection that left her anemic.  She was fine one day then two days  
later we were making a Code Three run to her vets 21/2 hours away.   
She left this world the next night, riding in the Jeep that took her  
on many adventures and with me by her side.  I am sure she felt safe  
and loved.  I would not trade one second with this wonderful little  
grey cat for all the pain I have felt since she left.  Treasure your  
time.  Give your friend the best you can and create a wonderful life  
for him and wonderful memories for yourself.

Others on this list can make recommendations for care.  Dixie had both  
regular and holistic care.  Luckily I could/would afford this for her  
even if other things had to go.  And, just as luckily, she loved to  
travel so getting her this care was very possible.  There are a lot of  
supplements available.  Listen to those on this list.  Feed him the  
best possible diet.I really liked Primal Raw and no grain foods.   
Try to reduce the stress in your friend's life.  Dixie had to tolerate  
living in a home that was being constructed and reconstructed but  
seemed to adapt wonderfully.

Love your little friend with all your heart and let him love you with  
his.

Good luck and blessings to you.
On Jul 14, 2008, at 8:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Last summer my son brought home a kitten who was between 2 1/2 and 3  
 weeks old.  He found him beside his dead sibling.  He was actually  
 in good health.  We bought some kitten formula and he drank like a  
 horse.  We worked on getting him use to people so that he could  
 eventually get him into a rescue.  My daughter who was living with  
 me at the time took her cat in for his regular shots, and took kiwi  
 with her so she could be looked at.  I guess kiwi was about 3 months  
 old then.  We were very shocked when kiwi came back positive for  
 feline luk.  The doctors asked without saying the words if we wanted  
 to put him asleep.  We said no.  At that point she was and kind of  
 still is a very healthy happy one year old who loves to wrestle with  
 our cocker and would love to play with my daughter's Japanese Bob  
 Tail Cat, but unfortunately we have to keep them separate.  The  
 Japanese Bob Tail Cat has been immunized against Feline Luk, but we  
 have also heard that the shot does not offer 100% protection.  It's  
 sad because they use to love to play together.  We were hoping that  
 in a few months kiwi would come back negative, but he came back  
 positive for the second test.  He still is very active, but he has  
 been having trouble with loose bowels.  He is also a bit on the thin  
 side.  I don't have the money to take him to the vets and we have  
 tried to find him a rescue and or foster home, but right now it  
 doesn't seem like any are available.  One thing positive is that we  
 were able to find an organization to neuter him.  Now he doesn't  
 spray.  Thank God!  He is funny sometimes.  Some times he gets one  
 of his claws caught  in things like curtains, and cat toys.  He was  
 trying to catch a fly one day by our back patio window and his nail  
 got caught in the curtain and he couldn't get free.  He was scared  
 and somehow got himself wrapped in the curtain.  He was so grateful  
 when I freed him.  His favorite toy is a 3 inch round black rubber  
 spider.  He loves carrying it around in the house.  I don't let him  
 play with it unless someone is here with him because I worry about  
 him swallowing it and it getting stuck in his intestines causing a  
 blockage.  He also loves laser pointers.  She loves chasing the dot  
 on the floor or wall.   He loves the little jingle cat balls, or  
 strings.  One thing I don't understand is that she enjoys licking  
 our cocker spaniels face.  He is such a funny cat.  Besides that he  
 loves to check everything out.  He is the curious little cat.   I  
 would enclose a picture of him but I am new to this site and I don't  
 know if that is allowed.  Well, enough for now.  I would appreciate  
 advise from anyone on raising a feline luk positive cat.  Thanks!   
 Robin Pine

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Re: Smokey update

2008-07-07 Thread Marylyn
Ebony was an adult  feral when he moved in with me.  I bought a 6x6x12  
chain link dog kennel, put a top (very securely) on it and attached it  
to the house by way of a bathroom window.  He went thru a dog/cat door  
into duct work then onto a landing and into the kennel.  He loved it  
all his days, had free access except when I blocked the door for some  
reason (really bad weather etc), and was safe.


Good luck.  I am glad Smokey rebounded.  The emergency vets I know do  
treat FeLV+ cats.

On Jul 7, 2008, at 9:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Everyone,

I had a real scare with Smokey over the weekend. I thought I was  
loosing him and I didn't even know if an emergency vet would treat  
him because of his disease. Do they?The good news is that I didn't  
need to find out, he's snapped out of it. I've been treating him for  
an upper respiratory problem and an eye infection. He also has  
ulcers on his mouth, poor boy! The little cat is a wreck, but he  
appears to have turned the corner. As of today, his mouth is  
healing, his eye isn't running and his breathing is normal. I do not  
want to get my hopes up too much, but I sure do want the little boy  
to stay with me. I can't believe how many tears I have shed for a  
little guy I've known less then two weeks. He's just so sweet.


Is it normal for them to snap back so quickly? Is this a good sign  
that he might live a while? My vet says that he could live a few  
years and has even emailed me outdoor enclosures to look at. He was  
a stray and longs to be outside, so it would be nice for him to go  
outside once in a while.


I really appreciate this site. It's wonderful to hear from people  
who know about this and also who understand. As with my horse, (he's  
a rescue, too) most of my friends think I am nuts for taking on this  
little cat.


Thank you for listening,
Kathryn


-Original Message-
From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 7:33 am
Subject: Re: Welcome, Kathryn

I didn't get your original email Kathryn.  Welcome to ghe group.  Is  
your cat showing any symptoms? How old is he?

tonya

Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You've come to a great place for information and support.  Others  
have much more experience with these babies, but I can tell you that  
diet and stress control are paramount.  If you can give your new guy  
(what's his name?) the best food possible and keep him as happy as  
possible, that's a great first step.  You can also supplement his  
diet with L-lysine (from natural food stores, without the additives  
found in the kind you find in most drugstores, which is toxic to  
cats).  Make sure your vet is knowledgeable on FeLV -- if he/she  
didn't immediately suggest euthanasia, that's a good sign.  If he/ 
she isn't, look around for one who is.  Some people here like  
holistic vets, if there are some in your area, in addition to their  
regular vet.


There's no way to know how long any of them will last.  Some people  
here have kitties who have lived long and well with FeLV, and then  
there are some (like my Patches, who came to me as a stray, too, who  
only stayed with me six weeks.)  What's important is to enjoy him  
every minute he's with you, fight the good fight together, but know  
when it's time to let go.  Not easy, but doable.  Good luck with  
your guy.


Diane R.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 9:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :(

I am very sorry to hear of the passing of Melina. I am new to this  
site and really know nothing of this terrible disease. I have  
recently (just bringing him home from the vets today) adopted the  
sweetest little boy who sadly has this virus. He showed up a few  
days ago as a stray. My husband and I fell in love with him and took  
him to the vet for shots, etc. Sadly, we were informed that he has  
tested positive.


I really do not know what this means. Any information will be  
greatly appreciated. I especially would like to know what I can do  
to keep him well for as long as possible. The vet suggests Vitamin  
C. Any information will be greatly appreciated.


Sincerely,
Kathryn


-Original Message-
From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 8:20 pm
Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :(

I'm so saddened Sherry that Melina couldn't rally yet another time.   
My heart honestly aches everytime I hear of another passing.  It  
sometimes makes one wonder just how much a body can endure.  But I  
guess the courage and trusting nature of these dear creatures makes  
it possible to go on.


Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Sherry DeHaan
To: Felvtalk
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:44 PM
Subject: Melina Please add to the CLS :(

First of all I want to thank all of you for your prayers and good  
thoughts 

Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :(

2008-07-03 Thread Marylyn

Blessings to you and peace to both you and Melina.
On Jul 3, 2008, at 9:44 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote:

First of all I want to thank all of you for your prayers and good  
thoughts for this beautiful baby.The aweful disease was way too much  
for her this time.She was a VERY spunky little girl.My heart aches  
without her in my life.I need to keep telling myself that I gave her  
so much love that she was happy until the end.I will miss her little  
loving head butts and rubbing her sweet face on mine.Ok now the  
tears are coming out. :( Once again thank you all so much for having  
to listen to all my sadness.But I also get ALOT of goodness out of  
these creatures.


Sherry


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Re: Prayers needed AGAIN

2008-07-02 Thread Marylyn
Blessings to her and to those who love her.  This is the most awful  
disease.  It robs us of the sweetest and most innocent.

On Jul 2, 2008, at 7:04 PM, Lynne wrote:


Prayers going up for Melina Sherry.  Too many broken hearts this week.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Sherry DeHaan
To: Felvtalk
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 4:56 PM
Subject: Prayers needed AGAIN

Please can we get ALL the prayers and good thoughts for beautiful  
sweet Melina.Dr.Jen took her home with her to try and get her  
feeling better.She thinks that she may becoming septic.So she has  
started her on Doxy and Prednisone and will do a work up on her  
tomorrow.Please pray for this baby girl that won my heart the moment  
I saw her.I know in the long run the aweful felv will win. :( But  
maybe she can win just this one more time.

THank you all so much
Sherry



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Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS!

2008-06-24 Thread Marylyn
Good idea.  You would not forgive yourself if something happened and  
you didn't.  If you have a holistic/alternative vet in the area you  
might consult them.  If not, and if you would like, I have the website  
of one who will do telelphone consults.  Carolyn has used her too.
On Jun 23, 2008, at 6:59 AM, Lynne wrote:

 Thank you so much Gloria.  I am going to print the article below and  
 take it
 to our vet.  I've decided to have her checked out thoroughly by our  
 vet
 before having the spay.  I realize the importance of having the  
 surgery.
 I'm a huge advocate of sterilizing and feel a bit of a hipocrit for  
 not
 getting this done, but I also will not risk her life if there is the
 slightest chance of something happening to her.  She is healthy, or  
 so she
 was given a clean bill of health when we got her, but still I want her
 examined first by our vet.

 Lynne
 - Original Message -
 From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:16 AM
 Subject: Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS!


 Just want to repeat this, folks - BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT SPAYING
 PERSIANS!  Small airways, more risk of death.
 As I understand this is a Persian!

 Check with the vet first - and check the vet out - make sure they've
 spayed Persians before, know what they're doing,
 will intubate, etc.  Don't let just any vet spay a Persian.  I lost a
 kitty this way.  See the article below.

 Gloria

 --
 -



 On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote:

 Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now?  If so, wait on the
 spay because of that.  Many cats have been exposed to and carry the
 Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you
 might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in
 good shape before any surgery.

 And if she's Persian, I'd wait.  If Persian, she probably also has
 Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes
 which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat
 facial area.  I've just gotten real cautious about Persians.

 I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow.  Cats that have had
 kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern.  BUT Persian
 cats require special attention re surgery.  They have small airways,
 and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just
 using anesthesia alone.  When they're out or groggy from anesthesia,
 the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if
 they're not watched  carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs
 don't know that.   I've had that happen.

 Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to
 anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to
 Persian issues.  One link is here, with a quote:

 ==
 http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html
 Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is
 possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be
 due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats
 undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially
 sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced
 by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats.
 If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more
 sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is
 supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem  
 with
 Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia
 (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate  
 cats
 to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to
 use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs,
 intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets
 can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed
 pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing
 dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though.

 ==

 Hope this is helpful.

 Gloria




 On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote:

 Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I need some
 honest advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to hear but  
 what
 I must hear.

 I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because  
 they
 all lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy
 associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't
 have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very
 quick demise.  My other cats have always been neutered before we  
 got
 them (from the humane society.)  Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a  
 half
 year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus.  It
 caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months  
 in a
 foster home to get her eyes and respiratory 

Re: spaying

2008-06-22 Thread Marylyn
If you do, consider having a vet who uses laser or its equivalent do  
it.  There is supposed to be less bleeding and less stress.  I am not  
saying spay or not, but check this out.

On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote:

Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I need some  
honest advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what  
I must hear.


I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they  
all lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy  
associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't  
have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very  
quick demise.  My other cats have always been neutered before we got  
them (from the humane society.)  Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half  
year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus.  It  
caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a  
foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection  
treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a  
strong heart.  What I did learn about her though was that she did  
have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died.  I have  
read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter  
and that is why it is best to do it at a young age.  I have her  
scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified.  I would  
absolutely die if something were to happen to her.  I worry about  
the stress and her history of Herpes virus.  She's such a happy and  
loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes  
cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian.   
When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very  
horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it  
surgically removed.  It was a horrible sight.  She had to be put  
under she was so hysterical.  The vet even told us we had a bad  
kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she  
has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is  
around 4 months now.  She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go  
outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature.  Neither cat is  
ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them  
and both stay very close.  It is impossible for either one go get  
out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to  
find his way in.  Like I mentioned, they both are supervised  
diligently and only let out for a short time.  90% of the time they  
are inside or in the screened patio.


I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate  
any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject.


Many thanks
Lynne
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Re: spaying

2008-06-22 Thread Marylyn
One caution:  consider refusing all vaccinations and other stressors  
near the time she is spayed.  Having everything done at once is  
convenient for us and for the cat but, if there are problems, can  
overwhelm the little one.  If you have a homeopathic vet around you  
might consider seeing what could reduce the shock of surgery too.

On Jun 22, 2008, at 5:17 AM, Sue  Frank Koren wrote:


Good for Snowy! “Putting a job on him” when he called her a bad kitty.
Personally, I am always pro spay/neuter and it would take a very  
unusual circumstance for me not to have an animal of mine fixed.   
They end up with so much less stress when they are altered.

Sue

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
] On Behalf Of Marylyn

Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: spaying

If you do, consider having a vet who uses laser or its equivalent do  
it.  There is supposed to be less bleeding and less stress.  I am  
not saying spay or not, but check this out.

On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote:


Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I need some  
honest advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what  
I must hear.


I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they  
all lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy  
associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't  
have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very  
quick demise.  My other cats have always been neutered before we got  
them (from the humane society.)  Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half  
year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus.  It  
caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a  
foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection  
treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a  
strong heart.  What I did learn about her though was that she did  
have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died.  I have  
read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter  
and that is why it is best to do it at a young age.  I have her  
scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified.  I would  
absolutely die if something were to happen to her.  I worry about  
the stress and her history of Herpes virus.  She's such a happy and  
loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes  
cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian.   
When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very  
horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it  
surgically removed.  It was a horrible sight.  She had to be put  
under she was so hysterical.  The vet even told us we had a bad  
kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she  
has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is  
around 4 months now.  She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go  
outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature.  Neither cat is  
ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them  
and both stay very close.  It is impossible for either one go get  
out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to  
find his way in.  Like I mentioned, they both are supervised  
diligently and only let out for a short time.  90% of the time they  
are inside or in the screened patio.


I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate  
any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject.


Many thanks
Lynne
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Re: spaying

2008-06-22 Thread Marylyn
One more thought:  consider starting her on colostrum and leaving her  
on it for a good period after her recovery.  It has wonderful  
abilities to aid in repair and recovery.
On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote:

 Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now?  If so, wait on the
 spay because of that.  Many cats have been exposed to and carry the
 Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you
 might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in
 good shape before any surgery.

 And if she's Persian, I'd wait.  If Persian, she probably also has
 Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes
 which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat
 facial area.  I've just gotten real cautious about Persians.

 I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow.  Cats that have had
 kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern.  BUT Persian
 cats require special attention re surgery.  They have small airways,
 and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just
 using anesthesia alone.  When they're out or groggy from anesthesia,
 the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if
 they're not watched  carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs
 don't know that.   I've had that happen.

  Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to
 anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to
 Persian issues.  One link is here, with a quote:

 ==
 http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html
 Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is
 possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be
 due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats
 undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially
 sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced
 by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats.
 If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more
 sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is
 supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with
 Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia
 (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats
 to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to
 use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs,
 intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets
 can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed
 pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing
 dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though.

 ==

 Hope this is helpful.

 Gloria




 On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote:

 Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I need some
 honest advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what
 I must hear.

 I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they
 all lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy
 associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't
 have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very
 quick demise.  My other cats have always been neutered before we got
 them (from the humane society.)  Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half
 year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus.  It
 caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a
 foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection
 treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a
 strong heart.  What I did learn about her though was that she did
 have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died.  I have
 read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter
 and that is why it is best to do it at a young age.  I have her
 scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified.  I would
 absolutely die if something were to happen to her.  I worry about
 the stress and her history of Herpes virus.  She's such a happy and
 loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes
 cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian.
 When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very
 horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it
 surgically removed.  It was a horrible sight.  She had to be put
 under she was so hysterical.  The vet even told us we had a bad
 kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she
 has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is
 around 4 months now.  She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go
 outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature.  Neither cat is
 ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them
 and both stay very close.  It is impossible for either one go get
 out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible 

Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac

2008-06-20 Thread Marylyn
Has she tried Feliway?  And checked him beyond reason for UTI  
infections?

On Jun 20, 2008, at 4:40 PM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:


Dear all

Has anyone ever used a kitty Prozac such as fluoxetine? One of my  
co-workers whose cat has always been a sprayer--and she's had him  
for YEARS, kudos to her---was thrilled when 1/2 tab fluoxetine daily  
fixed the behavior almost immediately. Unfortunately he began  
foaming at the mouth at the same time, so she stopped using it after  
a few days.


Does anyone have any experience in using an alternative prozac  
that worked for spraying without causing foaming or other adverse  
side-effects. She says she's going to the vet to ask about a  
different one after she returns from vacation, and I thought I'd try  
picking your brains before she went. I think it's wonderful that-- 
unlike so many people--she's committed to her cat despite his  
spraying.


I have a sprayer too, but he's feral, so there's nothing I can use  
(he's not into any sort of treat on a regular basis, and he turned  
his nose up at Pillpockets) apart from a dividing line between him  
and the cause of his behavior, my other cats. He has his own loyal  
buddy, a female, Momcat, so he's pretty content on the whole, I think.


Anyway, thanks for any other prozac ideas!

Kerry



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Re: Gustav Please add to CLS :(

2008-06-17 Thread Marylyn

I am so sorry.
On Jun 17, 2008, at 8:41 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote:

I am broken hearted once again.We lost this awesome guy today.He had  
S much personality that you could not help but to love him.I  
will miss my silly GOOF GOOF. :(


Sherry


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Re: Humphrey Please add to the CLS :(

2008-06-11 Thread Marylyn

I am so sorry he had to leave but so grateful he knew such love.
On Jun 10, 2008, at 9:42 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote:

I am saddened to say that we lost yet another sweet Sids  
kid.Humphrey was a trooper through it all,feeding tube,meds  
everything Dr. Jen could do to make him better.He lived with her at  
the clinic during the week and on the weekends someone from the  
clinic would take him home.We had him at the sanctuary on and off  
and just this past weekend he was with us.He was a big beautiful  
gray boy with a sweet soft meow.


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Re: Little Man

2008-06-07 Thread Marylyn
Blessings to Little Man and all who care for him.  He is a very lucky  
cat and he knows it.  He is so loved.

On Jun 6, 2008, at 9:38 PM, KATHY JARVIS wrote:
Definitely Sherry, you are very blessed to have Little Man that  
long.  I lost my little Peanut after only one year and I miss him so  
much.  Kathy


Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Absolutely Sherry.
Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Sherry DeHaan
To: Felvtalk
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:11 PM
Subject: Little Man

PLEASE!! can you all add Little Man to you thoughts and prayers? He  
is Dr Jens felv boy who is 8 years old and having a rough time right  
now.She had to put a feeding tube in Saturday but he is not  
responding very well.Yet he is happy and purring.He is also   
temporary Sids kid on and off and is the sweetest gray boy.THank you  
all

sherry
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Re: Hi again :)

2008-06-05 Thread Marylyn
Dixie has been with me three years now and is perfectly healthy.  She  
was a show-up (thrown away) at my Mom's for several months before that  
and was probably 2-3 years old when she showed up there (best guess  
but full grown and spayed).  There are no guarantees in life.  I knew  
that when I agreed to bring Dixie inside.  I haven't regretted one  
second of it.  She is marvelous, wonderfully intelligent, loving, and  
beautiful.
On Jun 4, 2008, at 9:15 PM, Laura Mostello wrote:

 I have had Duncan for a year now and he is fat, active and symptom- 
 free. Now Celery and Baby Girl have joined him. They are all healthy  
 and love each other's company. A vet tech said to me recently,  
 Enjoy your FeLV + cats while you have them, because they'll  
 probably be dead within a couple of years. Nice. I've been upset  
 about her comment since then, but with luck she'll be proven wrong.

 --- On Wed, 6/4/08, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Hi again :)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 6:26 PM
 current wisdom is that positive cats can remain asymptomatic
 for
 years, until the virus is triggered. no one really knows,
 however,
 what it is that activates it. culprits high on the list are
 serious
 illnesses, but i know that at the sanctuary, we had
 positive who got
 very sick, were treated (often surgically) and recovered
 quite fine to
 go on for a number of years. stress is another thing
 suspected of
 awakening the virus, but how do you define that? the best
 we can do is
 the best we can do: give them as calm and safe and loving
 an
 environment as possible, feed them the best food that your
 own
 research tells you to (that varies because everyone has
 their own
 opinion, and last year before the pet-food recall, some
 people were
 accused of murdering their cats because they didn't
 feed them things
 that others thought they should--things that turned out, in
 some
 cases, to ACTUALLY kill, while the other foods did not); be
 extra
 vigilant about any health concerns or behavior changes, and
 have them
 attended to right away--and did i mention love them as long
 as you
 have them, because no matter how long that is, it won't
 ever be long
 enough.

 there are no guarantees for any of us--the healthiest cat
 or dog or
 human can drop dead tomorrow--to worry about it all the
 time
 accomplishes nothing, and probably creates a level of
 stress that the
 cats can pick up.

 there have been FeLVs in my life who have only had five
 months to
 share with me, and other whom i've known for
 years--it's the quality
 that matters.

 (and take lots of pictures--i get incredible joy from
 looking at the
 photos of the silly little furcritters that aren't
 wandering this
 earth anymore--and i just grin when i see their faces
 looking out at
 me, and remember how they graced my life.)

 MC

 On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Laurieskatz
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 YES. Squeaky tested positive at age 13 and lived to
 age 22, symptom free
 except for his final 3 weeks.
 Laurie

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Sue Koren
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:33 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Hi again :)

 Does anyone know if a positive cat who stays positive
 but not sick for a
 certain length of time, if the chances are that they
 will not become sick?
 Or could the sickness just come on them at any time
 regardless of how long
 they have harbored the virus and remained healthy? (I
 hope that made some
 kind of sense)
 Sue

  MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 =
 yes, cats can retest negative on IFAs if enough time
 has passed so
 that the virus can work itself out of the system. just
 as with initial
 exposure, the time period given varies from 60 to 120
 days, depending
 on who/what you read--i go for the 120 days or longer,
 so i don't
 always wonder.. tho it's not mentioned in the
 current on-line
 merck manual, and i never thought to keep the
 reference back when i
 first read it in 2003 or so, it used to refer to a
 case where it took
 a cat seven or nine (my memory is going) for a cat to
 revert to
 negative on an IFA.

 generally, however, if 120 days or so has passed since
 last possible
 exposure, i figure they're not gonna
 seroconvert--but until/if the
 virus gets activated, they're just positive, not
 sick.

 my little pastel calico, lorelei, who came to me last
 summer solstice,
 just retested positive on the IFA when she was spayed,
 so i'd say that
 it's pretty definite that she's gonna stay
 positive. but it didn't
 really matter, because it wasn't going to change
 anything one way or
 another, so there was no rush here to retest

 and for those who don't know, all my others are
 either vaccinated, or
 were inadvertently exposed almost eight years ago, so
 she's no threat
 to anything other than my 

Re: Hi again :)

2008-06-05 Thread Marylyn
If you have ocassion to see the vet tech again, you might mention that  
life has no guarantees and that we need to enjoy every second with  
those we love..they may drop dead of a heart attach, cancer,  
accidents,  be struck by lightening (yes, I know several people who  
have lost both 2-legged and 4-legged friends this way) etc.  Perhaps  
she will rethink either her beliefs or her hurtful wording.
On Jun 4, 2008, at 9:15 PM, Laura Mostello wrote:

 I have had Duncan for a year now and he is fat, active and symptom- 
 free. Now Celery and Baby Girl have joined him. They are all healthy  
 and love each other's company. A vet tech said to me recently,  
 Enjoy your FeLV + cats while you have them, because they'll  
 probably be dead within a couple of years. Nice. I've been upset  
 about her comment since then, but with luck she'll be proven wrong.

 --- On Wed, 6/4/08, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Hi again :)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 6:26 PM
 current wisdom is that positive cats can remain asymptomatic
 for
 years, until the virus is triggered. no one really knows,
 however,
 what it is that activates it. culprits high on the list are
 serious
 illnesses, but i know that at the sanctuary, we had
 positive who got
 very sick, were treated (often surgically) and recovered
 quite fine to
 go on for a number of years. stress is another thing
 suspected of
 awakening the virus, but how do you define that? the best
 we can do is
 the best we can do: give them as calm and safe and loving
 an
 environment as possible, feed them the best food that your
 own
 research tells you to (that varies because everyone has
 their own
 opinion, and last year before the pet-food recall, some
 people were
 accused of murdering their cats because they didn't
 feed them things
 that others thought they should--things that turned out, in
 some
 cases, to ACTUALLY kill, while the other foods did not); be
 extra
 vigilant about any health concerns or behavior changes, and
 have them
 attended to right away--and did i mention love them as long
 as you
 have them, because no matter how long that is, it won't
 ever be long
 enough.

 there are no guarantees for any of us--the healthiest cat
 or dog or
 human can drop dead tomorrow--to worry about it all the
 time
 accomplishes nothing, and probably creates a level of
 stress that the
 cats can pick up.

 there have been FeLVs in my life who have only had five
 months to
 share with me, and other whom i've known for
 years--it's the quality
 that matters.

 (and take lots of pictures--i get incredible joy from
 looking at the
 photos of the silly little furcritters that aren't
 wandering this
 earth anymore--and i just grin when i see their faces
 looking out at
 me, and remember how they graced my life.)

 MC

 On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Laurieskatz
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 YES. Squeaky tested positive at age 13 and lived to
 age 22, symptom free
 except for his final 3 weeks.
 Laurie

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Sue Koren
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:33 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Hi again :)

 Does anyone know if a positive cat who stays positive
 but not sick for a
 certain length of time, if the chances are that they
 will not become sick?
 Or could the sickness just come on them at any time
 regardless of how long
 they have harbored the virus and remained healthy? (I
 hope that made some
 kind of sense)
 Sue

  MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 =
 yes, cats can retest negative on IFAs if enough time
 has passed so
 that the virus can work itself out of the system. just
 as with initial
 exposure, the time period given varies from 60 to 120
 days, depending
 on who/what you read--i go for the 120 days or longer,
 so i don't
 always wonder.. tho it's not mentioned in the
 current on-line
 merck manual, and i never thought to keep the
 reference back when i
 first read it in 2003 or so, it used to refer to a
 case where it took
 a cat seven or nine (my memory is going) for a cat to
 revert to
 negative on an IFA.

 generally, however, if 120 days or so has passed since
 last possible
 exposure, i figure they're not gonna
 seroconvert--but until/if the
 virus gets activated, they're just positive, not
 sick.

 my little pastel calico, lorelei, who came to me last
 summer solstice,
 just retested positive on the IFA when she was spayed,
 so i'd say that
 it's pretty definite that she's gonna stay
 positive. but it didn't
 really matter, because it wasn't going to change
 anything one way or
 another, so there was no rush here to retest

 and for those who don't know, all my others are
 either vaccinated, or
 were inadvertently exposed almost eight years ago, so
 she's no threat
 to anything other than my peace of mind--calico, after
 

Re: Looking for a home for a Felv+ foster

2008-06-04 Thread Marylyn

Check with Dr. Maier and see if she knows someone.
On Jun 3, 2008, at 2:27 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:
Hi everyone.  I am looking for a home for a foster of mine.  He's a  
1 year old black and brown DSH named Manny and he's the sweetest,  
friendliest boy ever!  I just love him.  But since I foster other  
cats who are all Felv negative, it's not the best situation for  
him.  I have only a downstairs room for him and it doesn't have a  
real door on it- it's more like a closet door that slides open.   
Until we can get a real door put on (which is not going to be  
cheap), we have to keep him in the condo in the room for most of the  
day because he can bust out of the room.  He loves other cats, so  
he will try to play with my felv neg. fosters when he busts out, so  
I have to make sure that doesn't happen.  He would love to be in a  
home with another felv+ cat because he loves other cats and he needs  
a buddy.  He loves his people too and he wants nothing more than to  
follow me around and do chores all over the house, but he can't.


We just had him tested a second time (snap test) Sat. and he was  
positive again.  Sigh.  If anyone is interested or knows anyone who  
might be interested, please let me know.  I've had him a couple of  
months now and have taken very good care of him.  He's put on weight  
and he is very muscular and strong.  He's doing so well.  I just  
really want him to have a chance at a real life.

thanks
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Re: Looking for a home for a Felv+ foster

2008-06-03 Thread Marylyn

Check with Dr. Maier and see if she knows someone.
On Jun 3, 2008, at 2:27 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:

Hi everyone.  I am looking for a home for a foster of mine.  He's a  
1 year old black and brown DSH named Manny and he's the sweetest,  
friendliest boy ever!  I just love him.  But since I foster other  
cats who are all Felv negative, it's not the best situation for  
him.  I have only a downstairs room for him and it doesn't have a  
real door on it- it's more like a closet door that slides open.   
Until we can get a real door put on (which is not going to be  
cheap), we have to keep him in the condo in the room for most of the  
day because he can bust out of the room.  He loves other cats, so  
he will try to play with my felv neg. fosters when he busts out, so  
I have to make sure that doesn't happen.  He would love to be in a  
home with another felv+ cat because he loves other cats and he needs  
a buddy.  He loves his people too and he wants nothing more than to  
follow me around and do chores all over the house, but he can't.


We just had him tested a second time (snap test) Sat. and he was  
positive again.  Sigh.  If anyone is interested or knows anyone who  
might be interested, please let me know.  I've had him a couple of  
months now and have taken very good care of him.  He's put on weight  
and he is very muscular and strong.  He's doing so well.  I just  
really want him to have a chance at a real life.

thanks
caroline k.

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Re: Please add Tucker to CLS

2008-05-31 Thread Marylyn
I am so sorry.  It is awful when they leave.there is such a hole  
in the heart.

On May 31, 2008, at 7:53 PM, Sue  Frank Koren wrote:

This morning I had to have Tucker PTS.  He was not FeLV+ but he had  
Stomatitis and all his teeth were removed last Nov.  My vet though  
what was happening to him had something to do with the immune  
problems associated with that. He said the root of the problem was  
in the bone marrow.  I asked them to take some marrow after he was  
gone so I will know more about what happened. I only hope that  
Tuckers sickness had nothing to do with letting my FeLV + out with  
the other cats.  Even though I had them all vaccinated, that fear is  
there.
 The vet tried all he could think of but this morning his problems  
were so serious that the vet said anything they could try would have  
very little chance of working and also be painful to him.
Tucker always slept right next to me, curled up on my neck if I sat  
on the couch, and I have a cat bed here on the desk next to the  
computer where he would keep me company.  He was a large long haired  
grey tabby.  We called him the great fluffy hunter of dirty socks   
because he would drag them and present them to you like it was a  
major catch.  He was such a loveable boy and will be so very missed.

Sue
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Re: Kissinger and Zin Please add to the CLS :( :(

2008-05-29 Thread Marylyn
I am so sorry.  It is sad when they leave.
On May 29, 2008, at 8:38 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote:

 I found out tonight sweet beautiful Zin lost his battle.He was  
 adopted by one of the volunteers and she told me tonight he left  
 us.He was a flame point beautiful boy.
 Also we lost sweet Kissinger he had such a gentle way about him.  
 This has been a sad week for us at Sids.
 Sherry
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