Re: [Felvtalk] Missing Maizee
She is there but in a much different form. She is especially close when times are sad. Please talk to her. YOu will be surprised. On Nov 15, 2008, at 7:21 AM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: Three years ago today my Maizee Grace left this world. :( Sometimes it seems like yesterday that my beautiful baby girl was still here with me. She is the reason that I volunteer at Sids(felv,fiv cat sanctuary).I have had the honor to love MANY wonderful babies in the last 3 years.Each and every one of them have a special place in my heart. Thank you Maizee Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] So now what?
Please check with a holistic vet if that fits into your belief system and feed the absolute best diet you can. It does not have to be the most expensive, but one full of vitamins (C especially--grind up veggies and mix with the food). Avoid grains. Stick with this group. People don't always agree and belief systems vary but the information and support is great and will help you find your way. On Nov 15, 2008, at 8:17 AM, Pat Kachur wrote: Hi Lisa - In my opinion you are doing the right thing. I have 7 cats; one, who I adopted in July 2007 at about age 5, is positive. My other cats are all adults. I discussed thoroughly with my vet, who said the vaccine is more than 90% effecttive and that it is very unlikely my healthy adult cats would be affected. So, a year and four months later--all are healthy. The positive cat has no symptoms, other than being deaf (which may or may not be caused by the leukemia). I am very glad that I did what I did. Mandy (the positive kitty) is the most wonderful, loving kitty I have ever had. Pat - Original Message - From: Lisa Borden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 8:47 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] So now what? My kitten tested positive on his IFA test. My vet told me I should keep him isolated, or euthanize him. I couldn't do the latter, and isolating him ... well, I think that would just stress everyone out even more. So after calling a good friend while sitting outside of the vet's office last night, in tears, he's still with me, with my other cats, and I'm treating him for his diarrhea. My other cats have been vaccinated - my girl had her booster last month, and my other boy is going in on Thursday for his booster. He's the one I'm concerned about. He's the absolute LOVE of my life. But he's the picture of health, and I intend to keep it that way. Please just tell me that I can do this ... that I'm doing the right thing. Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea
Check with a holistic vet in addition to your regular vet if you can. I credit Dixie's life to the cooperation between both types of vets here in Louisville. I have two boys now who are very healthy (thank God) and who have tested negative. I still use both types of vets with them. They came from a pine thicket so have a questionable background..thanks to my vets, they are flourishing. Good luck. On Nov 14, 2008, at 8:42 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Even if the lab test comes back positive, since he's a kitten, make sure you retest later. I reccommend 3 months. I have never mixed b/c I've only had 1 felv at a time and had a room for that cat, but I have let the cat out in the house to roam while the others are put away so technically, they have shared spaces- but never food or water or litter boxes. I have never had any later retest as felv due to that exposure. My own opinion is that felv is not transmitted as easily as believed in the past. In fact, I am starting to think it's more akin to FIV where the contact has to be very direct, like a deep bite wound, or transmission through birth. Again, that's my own opinion just based on experience and my own self education and I know other list members and vets will disagree, so in the end, it's always up to you to do what's best for the cat. caroline kaufmann Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:13:22 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea Lisa It is good that you have a vet who is willing to work with you. I am one of those on this list who mixed my cats. By the time I knew I had a problem all my cats had been exposed for months. Since stress management is very important it would seem wise not to upset the kitten by separating him. That being said he will also be exposed to anything your cats might get as well. There are many treatments should the IFA test be positive as well. Also sometimes kittens can throw the virus. I too have used probiotics for my cats. Some find pumpkin to be useful for diarreah. Sally -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea
Try Feliway spray to calm him and Rescue Remedy in his water. Believe it or not, pumpkin (not pie filling but plain canned pumpkin) mixed in canned kitten/cat food will help with the diarrhea. (Per several vets and personal experience with Copper and Thomas Cougar-Kitten). On Nov 14, 2008, at 8:36 AM, Chris wrote: Lisa--good for you for taking such good care of this little guy. And you have come to the right place for help--folks here are the most knowledgeable I've ever found. I've mixed and never had a problem. Also, it is always possible that a kitten can throw off the virus so you may want to retest several months from now if the IFA is pos. And know that no matter what happens, you will never never never regret letting that little ball of fur into your heart... Christiane Biagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Borden Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea Thank you so much, Jane. Any and all advice is welcomed. I'm very new to this, and have been going between feeling hopeful about things, and bursting into tears. I love him so much. I'm on pins and needles waiting for my vet to call with the test results. Lisa On Fri 14/11/08 7:06 AM , Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Hi Lisa Forti-Flora will be fine for a kitten. I used it successfully with mine. I am rushing out and will write more later. Jane On Nov 14, 2008, at 12:55 AM, Lisa Borden wrote: I am so happy to have found this list. Two weeks ago, I took in a 3 month old kitten. He's a beautiful orange kitten and I've fallen in love with him. Yesterday I took him to the vet for his vaccines, and we ran an FeLV/FIV snap test. It came back positive for FeLV. We sent off the other test (IFA?) to the lab and I await those results. I have two other cats - one is almost 4 (male) and one is 2 (female). They have both been vaccinated against FeLV. My male in particular has become close with the kitten. it proved to be impractical to isolate the kitten as he just cried and cried ... and escaped every time I opened the door. So I decided to supervise them, make sure they don't fight, keep a clean litterbox, etc. and I just let him back out with my other cats. From the couple of posts I have read, I see I am not the only one. And my vet was so adament about keeping the baby isolated. He does have diarrhea, and I was looking at probiotics. Can something like Fortiflora harm him if he does have a compromised immune system? I understand I would be giving him good bacteria to balance things out. He was negative for worms. Thank you for any info, and I look forward to the group, regardless of the test results. My kitten is active, and is a LOVE ... and he isn't going anywhere! Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [1] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org [2] ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [3] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org [4] Links: -- [1] mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [2] https://webmail2.agoc.com/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Ffelineleukemia.org %2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ffelvtalk_felineleukemia.org [3] mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [4] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New member, advice needed please!
Of course he has a chance. Please remember none of us are guaranteed any specific time on this earth. All we can hope/pray for is to be cared for and loved...Tora has that. Please do not focus on what may happen but care for Tora and enjoy his love. I do know what I am talking about. I learned from the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and my Junior Partner, Dixie Louise Doodle Katt. The lessons are hard but very important. You are doing wonderfully. Tora is cared for and knows lovewhat more can any of us ask for? Blessings to you all and, most of all, peace. On Oct 24, 2008, at 8:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: amanda, since you are using vets, acupuncture and holistic, that is about all we can do. try praying. God can work miracles if that is in His plan. at least, He can give you the strength to get thru this. dorlis amanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi , my kitten ' 'Tora' aged about 5 months was diagnosed with FeLV yesterday, he was sick since last friday which I mistaked for food poisoning! That time he had antibiotics and interferon injection and sub fluids which helped him alot, he had swollen lypm node on one side of throat which got much better, but on Tuesday he started getting ill again, quiet ect, so yesterday we tested for FeLV and he come out full possitive. I live in Japan and they suggested interefon injections for the next five days and sub fluids with vitamins and antibiotics, since yesterday he hasn`t been eating, has been dribbling sometimes and looks like he has inflamation of the intestines, when we touch him, he cries in pain. My husband is an accupunturist and we are doing that too and I asking the advice of a homeopath too. Is there anything else that I can try? Will he have a chance to pull through? It`s not the first time I`ve had FeLV possitive cats, I had two before, one lived a long normal life and the other pulled through the first bout of sickness like Tora, maybe not as bad, but I remember she didn`t eat for days too! But I lost her to Lymphoma cancer a year later. Any advice help, information would be truely appreciated!! hugs and purrs Amanda and Tora. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] seeking home for adult feluk positive
And he should be. Perhaps someone on the list can advise how to introduce them. I've introduced a lot of cats without problems but not with the concerns you have. I can tell you that Feliway spray has done wonders for me. The plug ins do nothing but others have had different experiences. On Oct 23, 2008, at 4:55 PM, Viky Digangi wrote: I know and that is the main thing with me adopting this new 9 month old kitten. My felv cat, Mickey, is NOT happy about it and I worry about what the stress of another cat will have on him. If he hadn't just had that malignant tumor removed I might not worry so much but no matter how much I want to help this little kitten, he is still my priority as long as he lives. Viky Digangi Support Enforcement Officer II Monroe Regional Office 318-362-5280 ext 297 Fax 318-362-3363 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/23/2008 4:51 PM looks like we need to start an adoption group for felv cats. i just adopted 2 cats and found one is positive. i wouldn't mind taking on 2 or 3 more, but Annie is having trouble accepting just one other cat in HER home. dorlis Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like it. How's your FeLv population anyway? (I have a lovely sweet FeLV+ girl --light orange/buff tabby -- living outside a house I just rented in need of a home.) --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] seeking home for adult feluk positive To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 8:34 PM Am I still connected to this list Tad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] seeking home for adult feluk positive
Check it out on line. It has an odor (I can't detect it) that helps put them at ease. Kitty Katt (my father's cat, he died, my mother's cat, she became unable to care for Kitty, my very unwilling cat) hid for 3 months at my home. I started using it on me and she finally started coming out once I laid down on the floor to sleep (her level, less threatening etc---slept there for 3 months trying to get her out). Finally she decided she was safe and able to rule as she had never ruled before. I am using it with Copper and Thomas (feral kittens) to teach them what they can and can't scratch, get them used to changes etc. It works wonders for me. Others may have had different experiences. My vets, both regular and holistic, use it in cat boarding areas, exam areas, high stress situations. Again, I understand the issue with Mickey. You belong to him and ...well, that says it all. On Oct 23, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Viky Digangi wrote: I'm not familiar with Feliway spray.If Mickey wasn't sick I would just let them tough it out until they got used to each other. They are not fighting but he wants to sit on something up high and doesn't want me holding him. He punishes me. Viky Digangi Support Enforcement Officer II Monroe Regional Office 318-362-5280 ext 297 Fax 318-362-3363 Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/23/2008 5:00 PM And he should be. Perhaps someone on the list can advise how to introduce them. I've introduced a lot of cats without problems but not with the concerns you have. I can tell you that Feliway spray has done wonders for me. The plug ins do nothing but others have had different experiences. On Oct 23, 2008, at 4:55 PM, Viky Digangi wrote: I know and that is the main thing with me adopting this new 9 month old kitten. My felv cat, Mickey, is NOT happy about it and I worry about what the stress of another cat will have on him. If he hadn't just had that malignant tumor removed I might not worry so much but no matter how much I want to help this little kitten, he is still my priority as long as he lives. Viky Digangi Support Enforcement Officer II Monroe Regional Office 318-362-5280 ext 297 Fax 318-362-3363 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/23/2008 4:51 PM looks like we need to start an adoption group for felv cats. i just adopted 2 cats and found one is positive. i wouldn't mind taking on 2 or 3 more, but Annie is having trouble accepting just one other cat in HER home. dorlis Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like it. How's your FeLv population anyway? (I have a lovely sweet FeLV+ girl --light orange/buff tabby -- living outside a house I just rented in need of a home.) --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] seeking home for adult feluk positive To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 8:34 PM Am I still connected to this list Tad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] seeking home for adult feluk positive
RR is very helpful. So is some fresh catnip pots to share. If they like fresh catnip, they will be so busy rolling around, they will be too busy to fuss. I have a large (24+ inch diameter) goat food pan rollers. It is full of catnip plants. They can get up in the pan and enjoy them. On Oct 23, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: I am trying to introduce Tessa, a rescue kitty, to my five. Since I plugged in the Feliway there is less hissing. Another thing I am going to try is rubbing Bach's Rescue Remedy inside the ears of my 3 upset cats and Tess (not into the ear canal but in the upper hairless area). Things are improving. She is still behind a dog gate but has about 1/3 of the house now...gradualthey have all seen her and she them. Frankie is blind so I am not sure how aware he is of her presence. Laurie -Original Message- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] update on Mickey
My typical comments on situations that look bad: see if you can find an alternative vet. Mine has increased the quality of life for four of my wonderful friends and the new kittens, Copper and Thomas, see one just to make sure they are getting everything they need (they came from a pine thicket and very questionable background healthwise. Obviously their mothers cared a lot for them because they were brought behind my Mom's home where they would be found and given everything.) Next, do not dwell on what may be. None of us are guaranteed a minute of life. The goal, IMO, is to have the highest quality of life possible with all the love possible. Blessings to you and your Mickey. You are both blessed to have each other. On Oct 21, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Sharyl wrote: Vicky, I'm sorry about the dx. I've never had a cancer kitty so can't offer any advise. You plan to keep Mickey happy sounds like a good one. Sharyl --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Viky Digangi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Viky Digangi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] update on Mickey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 2:29 PM I sent this earlier but I don't think it went through. I wrote a couple of weeks ago that my cat, Mickey, was going to have a growth removed from his leg that kept bleeding. The biopsy came back as malignant hemangio sarcoma. Even though it was on the skin and the doctor said he was 99% sure he got it all, I have been told that it will probably come back in his lungs or heart. I don't think I want to put him through chemo if it does. I want him to have as many good days as he can. Viky Digangi Support Enforcement Officer II Monroe Regional Office 318-362-5280 ext 297 Fax 318-362-3363 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New to group
Try Rescue Remedy on her long before you take her to the vet. I am a fan of PetzLife's products. A couple of us have listed holistic vets who will consult by phone if you don;t have one locally. Do not fixate on what may happen. Focus on the present and the wonderful little friend you have. The future is no guaranteed to any of us. Blessings to you and to her. On Oct 18, 2008, at 8:22 PM, Tracey wrote: Hello, I have to say this is a very enlightening forum. I have learned so much from you all! I found a stray 2 months ago at work who was in terrible condition, near death, starving, fleas, worms, etc. She had a 'tipped' ear and I found out later she was an Indy Feral cat who was in the TNR program. Don't know whether she was actually 'feral' though, but I doubt it because she has become quite lovable. Had her tested at a low cost clinic and was +. The vet there said her teeth didn't look so good and that was typical in feral cats. When I took her to my regular vet, he somehow neglected to even look in her mouth and he said as a + she'd live a couple months to a year, giving a very grim diagnosis. I tried not to prod at her too much at first since she was in such a delicate condition, but about a week after the vet appt, I noticed she was missing all of her tiny teeth on the top and all but one of the little ones on the bottom. I was horrified and it was then realized that my vet hadn't even looked in her mouth. After nursing her back to health, she has become very healthy except for some sneezing spells every now and then. This does worry me because sometimes mucus comes out. She had extreme uncontrollable diarrhea when I first got her, which after using fortiflora for a month helped a lot, but did not cure it completely. For the last week I have been feeding her a raw chicken diet (I have been feeding my other 3 cats this diet since February with amazing results) and her diarrhea is completely gone. So she's been in my bathroom isolated from my other cats this entire time, and she really does seem to be happy there but I hate to keep them separated. I am getting ready to take her to the vet again to have her teeth checked out because her breath is really terrible (seeing a different vet there though). I am worried about stressing her out by taking her to the vet and I know they will recommend a cleaning which will probably stress her even more, but having an unhealthy mouth would be worse on her than the experience of a cleaning. Right? I have 3 other (negative) cats, 2 are adults and one is about 1 year and 5 months (I guess you'd call her an adult, she did just have her 2nd dose of the felv vax) These 2 vets say they would absolutely NOT mix. My question to all of you who mix is: Have any of your negatives become + ?? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] holistic medicine/veterinarins
Dr. Maier is wonderful. The other vet I mentioned was Dr. E. A Boswell..502.499.9663. Both are wonderful On Oct 17, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: http://www.horizonvetserv.com/ Dr. Maier. She does phone and email consultations. She treated my Monkee in the last weeks he was with me. No saving him, but her treatments made him more comfortable in those last days I do believe. caroline kaufmann Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:50:14 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] holistic medicine/veterinarins Help! gave all my info to vet and need names and contact info of holistic vets that do phone consultations. got results of Annie's confirmation test and she has it in her bone marrow. vet is willing to work with holistic treatments. thanks, dorlis ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Store, manage and share up to 5GB with Windows Live SkyDrive. http://skydrive.live.com/welcome.aspx?provision=1? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_102008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My Little Leo
On Oct 17, 2008, at 11:09 PM, Marylyn wrote: I am so sorry. I know how awful it is to lose one, especially one so young and wonderful. I still miss my Dixie and her sweet meows and cuddles at night. She sent me two little kittens to purr and nap with. When it is time, Leo may be so generous. He knows how full of love your heart is and is so grateful for your care and love. On Oct 17, 2008, at 1:52 PM, Fournier, Jill E wrote: Please say your prayers for my little Leo who passed away last week. He was 5 years old and finally lost the battle to this awful disease. We buried him in the woods he loved to roam. I go to his grave everyday and cry. I miss his little meow and him sleeping with me.. Jill Fournier Research Administration Manager University of Pittsburgh Department of Surgery F1263.2 PUH Phone: 412-647-8141 Fax: 412-647-4236 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bijou,Cody,Murdoch and London
Blessings to them and all who care about them. On Oct 16, 2008, at 9:15 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: Done -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:05 PM To: Felvtalk; Felvot groups Subject: [Felvtalk] Bijou,Cody,Murdoch and London Hi all could you please add these 4 Sids kids to your prayers.3 are battling high temps and Bijou is struggling with her eyesight.Just keep them in your thoughts.Thank you. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its aweful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Grumpy Gus is gone
Bless you for loving Gus and giving him all the things all critters should have. On Oct 16, 2008, at 10:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The abandoned Former Grey Tom Cat that I took in and called Grumpy Gus or Gus for short, has passed on, this disease is horrible, the list of issues he had are long. He sounded like two cats fighting when he meows. He was loved, inside, well fed and had Vet care, unlike so many that do not in the care of Companions. Please add him to Mondays list please. Sam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lost my Jack-Jack today
This is so awful for you but Jack-Jack had a wonderful life because you cared. On Oct 14, 2008, at 5:48 PM, Wendy Griebel wrote: My little furbaby Jack-Jack crossed the bridge today. He had cancer and was not responding to treatment. We will miss him greatly. Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Piggee Piggee is gone
It is awful losing them. You are doing good though and you have to know that in your heart. On Oct 13, 2008, at 7:56 PM, Sally Davis wrote: Caroline I am so very sorry. Youe Piggee sounds like such a wonderful cat. He knows he was loved by you and your vet. He is now happy and whole. Playing with Monkee, Possee, and Brumley. Hugs Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New to Group
The holistic vets I consult use a lot of vitamin C too. On Oct 13, 2008, at 8:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Puritan's Pride is a good source. i trust their products. L Lysine is good. also echinea, and my personal favorite is vitamin E. i use it for everything. just not sure about cats. things that never hurt dogs and other animals can do them in. we all need to start searching for reliable sources of info on herbs, oils, etc. when you read about all the side effcts of man made meds, makes you wonder if we should trust them. dorlis Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You Are at the right place for advice. It will vary from person to person. I am so glad you took Macy into your home. Lessening stress is important. Feeding a high quality diet the best you can afford. I say that bc the best that I could afford was different from what other folks feed. Immune boosters are a start. Since many of these cats also have FHV L Lysine is a good start and may alleviate her upper respiratory symptoms. At any rate it will not do any harm and is inexpensive. I got mine from Puritans Pride. I ordered capsules 500mg. You can mix it with wet food. One or two per day depending on symptoms. Well I have to run to work. You will get more information I am sure. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 7
Bless you and him. I suspect he will give you a wonderful life. You are definitely giving him one. On Oct 12, 2008, at 8:01 AM, catatonya wrote: I would not worry about mixing in this situation. jmo based on my experience of over 10 years of dealing with mixing. tonya Carolyn Rauschert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dorlis, I took in a FELV+ male cat last May. He was a stray who wanted to come in, but wasn't neutered. He became deathly sick after he was neutered by the Humane Society. They did not test him first. Since I felt responsible, I took him in to nurse. I doctored him the best I could and he has thrived. I kept him apart from my other 4 female negative cats for three months. Now I am letting him out for a good part of the day. He goes in his room at night (he has his own bedroom) and I feed him separate as best I can.. All my other cats have been vaccinated for years. I could not keep him locked up forever. Single MOM.Carolyn - Original Message - From: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Help my Mickey
If you don't have one I know of two that do phone consultations. I prefer to have my friends checked out personally but Dr. EA Boswell (Louisville, Ky) is the alternative vet for my two little ones and has been for several who have left this world. My regular vets referred me to her in 1996. Dr. Susan Maier, Simpsonville, Ky. is another very good alternative vet. Both hold DVMs but chose to practice holistically. Dr. Boswell is well known in show horse circles and has worked with the Louisville Zoo. Both are very well qualified and respected. On Oct 12, 2008, at 7:56 PM, Viky Digangi wrote: Marylyn, No I don't think there is a homeopathic vet in my area but I will check into that. Thank you for responding. I have never regretted keeping Mickey. He has brought me so much pleasure and I thank God for every day I have with him. He is a little black and white tuxedo cat who weighs a whopping 7 pounds. Viky Digangi Support Enforcement Officer II Monroe Regional Office 318-362-5280 ext 297 Fax 318-362-3363 Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/12/08 7:49 PM Do you have access to a homeopathic/alternative vet? If so, check about a consultation. Dixie was treated by both her regular vets and an alternative vet. I credit both with her quality of life. I am so very grateful he has had so long with you and hope he has many more. You are definately doing something very right. Know that in your heart and in your mind. On Oct 12, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Viky Digangi wrote: I adopted Mickey when he was about 5 months old and found out he was positive for felv. For 8 years he displayed no signs of the virus until last December when he fell in the garage about 8 feet and did not land on his feet. Although he was not seriously hurt this apparently triggered something with the virus. He became lethargic and would not eat. My vet at the time began a series of the immuno regulen shots and after about 3 months began giving them to him every two weeks. Last week I awoke to find flood all over my bed and followed the trail of blood drops through the house to Mickey. He had an adenoma on his back leg (which I had not noticed) which burst open. I took him to the vet I currently have and he said normally he would perform surgery to remove it but in Mickey's condition surgery would be dangerous for him. The adenoma had stopped bleeding by now so I said ok. It was fine all week until yesterday and it burst open again. He cannot keep losing blood this way and I was wondering if anyone else had encountered a situation like this.I thought of asking my vet if he would switch Mickey to prednisone to see if that would promote healing. Any suggestions? Viky Digangi Viky Digangi Support Enforcement Officer II Monroe Regional Office 318-362-5280 ext 297 Fax 318-362-3363 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Help my Mickey
My wonderful Dixie, whose first stop we decided what to do with her after being tested for FeLV, was at Dr. Boswell, weighed just about that much. She left this world June 12..I miss her so much. A month after she left she sent me a wonderful little boy named Copper. Two weeks later, knowing there was no way one little kitten could keep me busy enough, she sent me a second little boy, Thomas (don't ask). Both came from the pine thicket she came from and neither wanted to be invited to dinner by the hawks, dogs, fox, coyotes. http://horizonvetserv.com is Dr. Mair's website. Dr. Boswell can be reached at 502.499.9663. You can tell either one that Dixie and I sent you. Again, blessings. On Oct 12, 2008, at 7:56 PM, Viky Digangi wrote: Marylyn, No I don't think there is a homeopathic vet in my area but I will check into that. Thank you for responding. I have never regretted keeping Mickey. He has brought me so much pleasure and I thank God for every day I have with him. He is a little black and white tuxedo cat who weighs a whopping 7 pounds. Viky Digangi Support Enforcement Officer II Monroe Regional Office 318-362-5280 ext 297 Fax 318-362-3363 Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/12/08 7:49 PM Do you have access to a homeopathic/alternative vet? If so, check about a consultation. Dixie was treated by both her regular vets and an alternative vet. I credit both with her quality of life. I am so very grateful he has had so long with you and hope he has many more. You are definately doing something very right. Know that in your heart and in your mind. On Oct 12, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Viky Digangi wrote: I adopted Mickey when he was about 5 months old and found out he was positive for felv. For 8 years he displayed no signs of the virus until last December when he fell in the garage about 8 feet and did not land on his feet. Although he was not seriously hurt this apparently triggered something with the virus. He became lethargic and would not eat. My vet at the time began a series of the immuno regulen shots and after about 3 months began giving them to him every two weeks. Last week I awoke to find flood all over my bed and followed the trail of blood drops through the house to Mickey. He had an adenoma on his back leg (which I had not noticed) which burst open. I took him to the vet I currently have and he said normally he would perform surgery to remove it but in Mickey's condition surgery would be dangerous for him. The adenoma had stopped bleeding by now so I said ok. It was fine all week until yesterday and it burst open again. He cannot keep losing blood this way and I was wondering if anyone else had encountered a situation like this.I thought of asking my vet if he would switch Mickey to prednisone to see if that would promote healing. Any suggestions? Viky Digangi Viky Digangi Support Enforcement Officer II Monroe Regional Office 318-362-5280 ext 297 Fax 318-362-3363 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Help my Mickey
I just sent the website for Dr. Mair and the phone number for Dr. Boswell. If you don't get them soon, please email again. I love them both. On Oct 12, 2008, at 8:12 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: Wondering, do you have phone numbers? If not, I am sure they can be located. Thanks for this info! Laurie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help my Mickey If you don't have one I know of two that do phone consultations. I prefer to have my friends checked out personally but Dr. EA Boswell (Louisville, Ky) is the alternative vet for my two little ones and has been for several who have left this world. My regular vets referred me to her in 1996. Dr. Susan Maier, Simpsonville, Ky. is another very good alternative vet. Both hold DVMs but chose to practice holistically. Dr. Boswell is well known in show horse circles and has worked with the Louisville Zoo. Both are very well qualified and respected. On Oct 12, 2008, at 7:56 PM, Viky Digangi wrote: Marylyn, No I don't think there is a homeopathic vet in my area but I will check into that. Thank you for responding. I have never regretted keeping Mickey. He has brought me so much pleasure and I thank God for every day I have with him. He is a little black and white tuxedo cat who weighs a whopping 7 pounds. Viky Digangi Support Enforcement Officer II Monroe Regional Office 318-362-5280 ext 297 Fax 318-362-3363 Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/12/08 7:49 PM Do you have access to a homeopathic/alternative vet? If so, check about a consultation. Dixie was treated by both her regular vets and an alternative vet. I credit both with her quality of life. I am so very grateful he has had so long with you and hope he has many more. You are definately doing something very right. Know that in your heart and in your mind. On Oct 12, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Viky Digangi wrote: I adopted Mickey when he was about 5 months old and found out he was positive for felv. For 8 years he displayed no signs of the virus until last December when he fell in the garage about 8 feet and did not land on his feet. Although he was not seriously hurt this apparently triggered something with the virus. He became lethargic and would not eat. My vet at the time began a series of the immuno regulen shots and after about 3 months began giving them to him every two weeks. Last week I awoke to find flood all over my bed and followed the trail of blood drops through the house to Mickey. He had an adenoma on his back leg (which I had not noticed) which burst open. I took him to the vet I currently have and he said normally he would perform surgery to remove it but in Mickey's condition surgery would be dangerous for him. The adenoma had stopped bleeding by now so I said ok. It was fine all week until yesterday and it burst open again. He cannot keep losing blood this way and I was wondering if anyone else had encountered a situation like this.I thought of asking my vet if he would switch Mickey to prednisone to see if that would promote healing. Any suggestions? Viky Digangi Viky Digangi Support Enforcement Officer II Monroe Regional Office 318-362-5280 ext 297 Fax 318-362-3363 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi
Kiwi left this world cared for...Bless you for loving the little one. Try to find some peace in the comfort you gave Kiwi. On Oct 3, 2008, at 9:17 PM, Lynne wrote: My prayers go out to you and Kiwi Robin. I'm so sorry for your loss. You did your best and Kiwi loves you for it. Lynne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Kiwi Kiwi is with God now. I'm to upset to say anything else right now. Robin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3494 (20081003) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Testing New Kittens - Need Help
Perhaps test one and see what the results are. If positive, test another or the rest On Sep 30, 2008, at 4:49 PM, Pat Kachur wrote: I believe that mostly it is true that testing just one kitten would be enough. I have read that if kittens were fathered by different males (one who could have been infected and another who was negative), some could be positive and some negative. I have to think this must be rare, though. Others probably have more info to give you. - Original Message - From: Michelle Brockman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Testing New Kittens - Need Help I have four 7 week old kittens and their mother that came from the pound that I need to test for FELV/FIV and my vet said that I would only need to test the mother and one kitten and not test all kittens. Do you think that will be reliable? It's $30 per snap test, so I think they're wanting to save me money, which I appreciate, just not sure if some of the kittens could contract a disease and others wouldn't. Any input would be GREATLY appreciated. Michelle Brockman _ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] So Happy!
that is so wonderful. On Sep 23, 2008, at 2:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone! Tweezers tests came back and it is likely that all that is wrong with him (Besides being positive) is a secondary infection! No liver stint. No blood parasites, no crystals, no micro cystosis. He already looks so much better. His eyes are not goopy, he seems to be gaining weight and no more watery stools. He actually was playing for the last day or so! Celebrate !! (Dance! Dance! Dance!) Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Letter from new member
I gave Dixie (FeLV+) colostrum in addition to a lot of other supplements, Primal Raw + organic veggies etc (I know there is a theory going around that they should not eat raw if they test positive--Dixie thrived on it and grain free foods). Her first trip, after testing +, was to a holistic vet. If you don't have one close, there are several, including the ones I worked with, who will do phone consultations. Dixie saw Dr. Boswell every time we went to Louisville and I attribute her quality of life to the coordination between Dr. Boswell and my regular vets at Middletown Animal Clinic. Dixie came into my life as a 2-3 year old cat (estimate) and stayed with me just over 3 years. She was on her own for a long time and I am sure this worsened the situation and shortened her life. Until the last few days she appeared to be in perfect health and was very happy. She had everything a cat could want and more. A month after she left this world she sent me Copper and two weeks later she sent me Thomas. They are both negative. Their first visit, after testing negative, was to Dr. Boswell who started them on some supplements (again, because they were on their own and we are now raising healthy kittens who need to make up for a few weeks of hard times). All of this is to encourage you to check in with a holistic vet. Blessings to you for caring for the little ones. On Sep 19, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Lorrie wrote: Hi, Diane, Thanks for replying to my first post on this group. The kittens are 5 1/2 months old now. I've been trying to find homes for them since they were 8 weeks old, but no luck :-( I had no clue that some of them had FelV until a friend adopted one, and it became extremely sick. It was tested for FelV and soon died. The others are still fine, they had their shots and other than feeling bad for 24 hours, which most kittens do, they recovered and are running all over. My vet is good. She has always answered all my questions, given me plenty of time, and she is also understanding about my ordering vet meds online to save money. In fact she will tell me what to use and what dosages to give. The vet I used before got p.o'ed big time about this! There are only 2 vet clinics in our very small town, and I really like the one I use now. I assume she had to cover her butt by giving me a worst case scenario on FelV. One of the things she told me, that didn't seem right, was that felV could be transmitted in ways other than by sharing food water bowls, grooming or biting My cats often escape their quarters, and my vet indicated that a negative cat might walk where a positive cat had been and pick up the virus. This sounded a bit far fetched to me. What do you think? Is she just covering all bases? I am now giving the kittens L Lysine, which I understand will help boost their immune systems, however they are all still together. I have no place to separate them. I have 15 cats at home (they are rescued inside/outside cats) and I bought a building in town which I use as a shelter. There are 33 cats there, so we're full up! These cats are not in cages, they all have individual rooms, but the rooms are full, without being over crowded. I'm working on finding more space where all FelV cats can be separated. Thanks for writing. Lorrie in WV On 09-19, Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: Hi, Lorrie -- Glad you found this group. You'll get lots of great advice here. Firstly, don't beat yourself up too much -- it's too bad about the kitties you put to sleep, but nobody knew much about FeLV back then, it would have been universally considered to be a death sentence anyway. Now, there is so much hope for your positive kittens! Admittedly, your vet was probably trying to let you know the worst of what you're facing, but if all she can offer is grimness, you might want to consider finding another vet, at least for these babies. The fact that she didn't suggest euthanasia is a point in her favor, but the kittens would be better served by someone on the cutting edge of FeLV. Or, if she's willing to work with you, you can print off stuff from the files on the felineleukemia.org website and help her expand her knowledge base. ;-) I assume the kittens are not showing signs of disease. If they aren't, depending on their age, they may yet shake off the virus. But if they don't, there are still ways to keep them asymptomatic. FeLV *isn't* an automatic death sentence these days. You'll get lots of advice here on diet and supplements, and (along with some heartache) some nice success stories. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 9:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] New member Hello Everyone, I'm a new member to the FelV group, but not new to cat rescue and TNR, which I've been doing
Re: [Felvtalk] worried Mom seeking info
You might try things that calm him, Rescue Remedy in the water, Feliway spray, catnip (mine all prefer a plant or two or three so they can roll in it or have fresh snacks). He is anxious and fearful and is picking up on your anxiety and your fear. There are people on this list, myself included, who believe animal communicators can help. If you are one of these, perhaps you should have one talk to all your cats but this lovely gentleman particularly. You can put up an area for him to go out in (mine have dog kennels with toppers; one of them could be accessed by a pet door in a window and ductwork). So much depends on your situation. RR, Feliway and catnip are relatively inexpensive and may do the trick. Good luck. On Sep 18, 2008, at 4:01 AM, catatonya wrote: Since he has already been exposed to your cats, it's highly unlikely that this will cause any problem. FeLV is not very contagious at all (if at all) between adult, vaccinated cats. tonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, my name is Jackie and I am seeking advice. A year ago I started trapping and altering strays. The first male I caught settled down quite a bit. I started letting him in now and then and eventually I started keeping him in. I have 4 other cats (all strictly indoor). I felt for this guy, he was a rough and tumble wild guy, but he was so sweet after he was fixed. He recently tested positive for leukemia and I have never had to deal with this kind of disease before. I talked to the doctor some and she recommended we retest him in 6 weeks, but I'm worried I'm endangering my other cats by having him inside. They are vaccinated, but he is so dominating. I used to let him out on occasion to let off a little steam. Now I can't do that and he got into a scuffle with one of my other cats this weekend. I don't want to euthanize him, but I don't know what else to do. I would appreciate your opinions on my situation. Thanks, Jackie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] worried Mom seeking info
He may not know how to play nicely. I have a lazer pointer that the kittens interact with wonderfully. Or a feather. Something that he, another and you can play with together may help. On Sep 18, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Jackie Bessette wrote: Thank you. I definitely try to exhibit a calm attitude and provide a cam atmosphere for them. I very much believe in that. Funny, I just realized the worst scuffles have occurred with someone else in the house. Maybe I will try the Feliway. I really think the trouble comes from him wanting to play and my other cats not wanting anything to do with him. I will work on making him more comfortable. Thanks for the advice. I will keep you all posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 3:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] worried Mom seeking info You might try things that calm him, Rescue Remedy in the water, Feliway spray, catnip (mine all prefer a plant or two or three so they can roll in it or have fresh snacks). He is anxious and fearful and is picking up on your anxiety and your fear. There are people on this list, myself included, who believe animal communicators can help. If you are one of these, perhaps you should have one talk to all your cats but this lovely gentleman particularly. You can put up an area for him to go out in (mine have dog kennels with toppers; one of them could be accessed by a pet door in a window and ductwork). So much depends on your situation. RR, Feliway and catnip are relatively inexpensive and may do the trick. Good luck. On Sep 18, 2008, at 4:01 AM, catatonya wrote: Since he has already been exposed to your cats, it's highly unlikely that this will cause any problem. FeLV is not very contagious at all (if at all) between adult, vaccinated cats. tonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, my name is Jackie and I am seeking advice. A year ago I started trapping and altering strays. The first male I caught settled down quite a bit. I started letting him in now and then and eventually I started keeping him in. I have 4 other cats (all strictly indoor). I felt for this guy, he was a rough and tumble wild guy, but he was so sweet after he was fixed. He recently tested positive for leukemia and I have never had to deal with this kind of disease before. I talked to the doctor some and she recommended we retest him in 6 weeks, but I'm worried I'm endangering my other cats by having him inside. They are vaccinated, but he is so dominating. I used to let him out on occasion to let off a little steam. Now I can't do that and he got into a scuffle with one of my other cats this weekend. I don't want to euthanize him, but I don't know what else to do. I would appreciate your opinions on my situation. Thanks, Jackie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sharky
Blessings to Sharky and to all that have cared for him. What is done with love and care is not wrong. It may not work out the way we think it should but it is not wrong. On Sep 14, 2008, at 1:08 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: Hi all I am asking for prayers and good thoughts for our boy Sharky.He is very sick and at the clinic. He was fostered for 5 months by one of our volunteers and was returned to see how he would do.(He was not fond of the other cats at the sanctuary)I believe he should have stayed in his foster home,they are kicking themselves for not just adopting him in the first place.so please keep him in your thoughts.Thank you, Sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Michelle's Patches is an angel
I am so sorry. I know from experience how hard it is to have one leave this world. On Sep 10, 2008, at 8:16 AM, Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: Oh, damn. Gentlest of Bridge journeys to Patches, and hugs to Michelle and everyone who loved Patches. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Michelle's Patches is an angel I'm sorry to let you all know, Michelle's Patches passed away yesterday at the hospital, her body just wasn't physically strong enough to handle anymore treatment ... they are devastated, please say a prayer for them. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New Kitten is FeLV+
You will receive lots of really good advise here. The best thing I can tell you is to find an alternative/holistic vet to help you. The first stop I made after finding out that Dixie was positive was to Dr. Betty Boswell in Louisville. Dixie saw her frequently and I credit the alliance between Dr. Boswell and my regular vets, Drs. Koehler and Bishop, with giving Dixie a wonderful, healthy life. Do not treat your little one as a patient but as a wonderful kitten who will have a great life. No one is guaranteed one minute of life. Make her life great and your life with her wonderful and forget about how long or short it may be. On Sep 9, 2008, at 2:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last week, we took in a darling tortie/calico kitten who'd been abandoned at my workplace. At her first vet check today, we got the results that she's FeLV+. We have two other cats that are positive. I would appreciate any tips on how to get this little girl off to the healthiest start possible. We're feeding high protein kitten foods already. Our other cats are doing well at ages 4 and 1 year, but we'd love to learn anything we can to help our newest 'patient' stay healthy and happy. Thanks, Jody ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Can you please pray for Michelle's Patches
Blessings to her for loving and love and prayers to Patches. On Sep 7, 2008, at 5:37 PM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Hi again all, Strangely I was just wondering this a.m. how Michelle's Patches was doing, and thinking I must email her, and then when I came into work, there was the email from her (below). (For those who don't know Michelle, she was a tireless, dedicated source of knowledge and support on the list for many years). Thanks for your prayers for Patches. Kerry M. Hi, Kerry. Can I bother you to ask the list for prayers again? Patches had been doing a lot better for a couple of weeks-- her hematocrit was going up (and maybe still is-- she looks quite pink), she gained weight, she was getting more active and had started eating some on her own again. But the last few days she has looked worse than when we brought her to the hospital with the pancreatitis. She had the strongest chemo drug 8 days ago, so we thought it was that, but she does not seem to be improving. She lays in one spot all day and only gets up to use the litterbox, and looks weak when she does. She seems nauseous too. She has gained a lot of weight and we think the vets were telling us to feed her too much through her tube, and we are wondering if her pancreatitis has been aggravated by this. Or, of course, the cancer could be back. We are planning on taking her to the hospital tomorrow afternoon when her internist is in, to see if they can ultrasound her and if she! needs IV fluids. Prayers always seem to help, though, so I thought I would ask. thanks as always, and I hope you and yours are ok, Michelle _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: testing
The two new kittens are doing well and are FeLV-. You should have seen the high fives at the vets' office when the results came back on both of them!! Have a good weekend. On Aug 30, 2008, at 12:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see ya! James Been busy in the rescue world. I too noticed it was quiet...hope all is well too, that is a good sign! In a message dated 8/29/2008 10:05:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey all, Haven't seen any activity on the list for a couple of days. So, I'm testing the list. Hope all is well with everyone. Best wishes. James G. Wilson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.myspace.com/wilsonjamesg (My Space Page) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE _http://tazzys.org/_ (http://tazzys.org/index.html) _http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/_ (http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/ ) OTRA VERIFIED TRANSPORTER (On The Road Again) Terrie Mohr-Forker **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Two kitties - names unknown - please add to CLS (non FELV)
The Humane Society in Louisville did the same thing to a wonderful little dog named Jackson. They knew I wanted him and that I was coming to get him that afternoon. One worker called to confirm and tell me Jackson was waiting. A while later another one called and told me they had killed him because he had distemper.my vets had worked with this disease and had cured it in lots of dogs. Treatment was intense and expensive but I had the ability to cope with that. Then the person who called offered to help me with another dog. Jackson had captured my heart. I had visited him at Feeders' Supply (where they take animals to encourage their adoption) three days in a row to make sure I wanted a dog. It broke my heart. On Aug 30, 2008, at 7:50 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi guys, I'm very sad today. We had made arrangements to pull a blind cat and a cat with a cleft palate (the kitty with the cleft palate's mom went into a nursing home). We were supposed to pick them up today. The shelter rescue coordinator called and told us they had accidentally been killed two days ago. Apparently this shelter's policy is to immediately kill all handicapped kitties. I still don't understand how you can accidentally kill a cat - these cats were safe - they had rescue - and they were still killed. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Two kitties - names unknown - please add to CLS (non FELV)
Your grief is much fresher than mine. It is not necessary to meet an animal to love it. I am amazed that some of these shelters are so careless with the lives of sick/challenged animals. How awful for the original caretaker too. First to be put in a nursing home then to have your friends killed for no reason. On Aug 30, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I'm sorry Marylyn. Too many broken hearts to go around. I've been crying all day. Even though we had not met these kitties we had made room for them in our homes and hearts. On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Humane Society in Louisville did the same thing to a wonderful little dog named Jackson. They knew I wanted him and that I was coming to get him that afternoon. One worker called to confirm and tell me Jackson was waiting. A while later another one called and told me they had killed him because he had distemper.my vets had worked with this disease and had cured it in lots of dogs. Treatment was intense and expensive but I had the ability to cope with that. Then the person who called offered to help me with another dog. Jackson had captured my heart. I had visited him at Feeders' Supply (where they take animals to encourage their adoption) three days in a row to make sure I wanted a dog. It broke my heart. On Aug 30, 2008, at 7:50 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi guys, I'm very sad today. We had made arrangements to pull a blind cat and a cat with a cleft palate (the kitty with the cleft palate's mom went into a nursing home). We were supposed to pick them up today. The shelter rescue coordinator called and told us they had accidentally been killed two days ago. Apparently this shelter's policy is to immediately kill all handicapped kitties. I still don't understand how you can accidentally kill a cat - these cats were safe - they had rescue - and they were still killed. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New member here
Jennifer, I just wanted you to know that Dixie sent me a second little one from the same pine thicket and surrounded by the same hawks, fox, dogs, etc. Apparently she really thought she had EVERYTHINGcertainly enough to loan to two babies who needed homes. On Jul 30, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Jennifer wrote: That's such a touching story...brought tears to my eyes. What is your new kitty's name? Hopefully she's with you for a very long time :) Jennifer ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) On Jul 29, 2008, at 11:59 PM, Marylyn wrote: Dixie came to me as a grown throw away who had been on her own for a long time. She found her way to my Mom's where she hung out with the ferals who came for food, water and shelter. For three years and 12 days she had everything a little cat could want. She became the owner of a farm in rural Ky with a large sunroom, window sills, deer, turkey and windows everywhere; Christmas trees that stayed up for months just because she liked to sleep under them; a large bed with pillows and dolls...everything a little cat could want, even things she didn't know about when she came into my life. She had the best regular and holist medical care available from the day I found out that she was FeLV+ and was so wonderfully healthy that I believed she had beaten it. She remained healthy until a couple of days before she left this world. When she left she was beside me, where she was always the safest, and in a Jeep that had taken her on many great adventures (she loved to travel between the farm and a home in Louisville). I have no regrets at all about having this wonderful little girl in my life. She taught me so much. Now, a month after she left, she has sent me a tiny kitten from the same pine thicket she came from. Apparently she thought this little one, who was alone just as she had been, should have everything too. There are no certainities in life. It sounds like you have a good grasp on the situation. This group has people knowledgeable in supplements that can help strengthen all your cats. Please listen to them and your heart. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cole's last fight
On the topic of opening your heart to another: Invite Cole to send you someone. Dixie send me not one but two small kittens over a two week period. Dixie waited 30 days from the day she left and sent me a copper kitten. She sent a solid slate grey one two weeks later. Both came from the pine thicket she came from. That thicket is full of hawks, coyotes, dogs, fox and other critters that love to have little kittens for snacks. And both were in need of immediate vet attention and were prime for the smallest hawk. All of this is to say, trust Cole to help you find just the right cat to help you thru this. Dixie's timing was perfect. I was (and am) still grieving for her but I was ready to give againand two healthy kittens can keep you very busy. By the way, they are both FeLV- (a miracle under the circumstances) and little boys. Cole is a heart mate of yours. Give him a chance to prove it and let him provide help for you. Dixie will definitely help me raise these two. On Aug 26, 2008, at 8:22 AM, Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: I'm so sorry, Kim. I know it's not a lot of consolation that you had him with you for 6-1/2 years when a healthy cat can live 3 times that long, but it *is* an extraordinary age for a FeLV+ kitty and both of you fought the good fight and loved each other fiercely for all that time. Don't try to second-guess yourself about whether it was the exact time to help him end it -- I think one of the other members of this list would say better a day too early than a second too late. When you are talking to him, as Marylyn has suggested, invite him to visit you. So many people have experienced what they feel is a visit from their departed pets -- maybe you're in bed and it feels like somekitty is walking on the bed, but when you look nobody's there, that kind of thing. And if you ever move, specifically invite Cole to the new place too. And finally, once it stops hurting quite so badly, be open to the idea of finding another kitty, not to take his place but to fill the void. He won't want you to be lonely, and so many times people have said they felt that their departed kitty has led them right to a new one to love. Hugs to you and to Cole in his new home, where he is undoubtedly swapping great mommy stories with our kitties there. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Thomas Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 12:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Cole's last fight It is with great sadness that I have to say that my Cole has lost his fight. The last 2 weeks he has been recieving epogen shots two times a week and we found out today that the shots have not improved his anemia. He in fact got worse and his hemoglobin went down to 9% from 11% 2 weeks ago. He has also lost an addition 1lb in 3 days because he would not eat. It was the hardest thing ever to have to make the call in putting him to sleep or not, but he has been so lethargic and down the last couple days, I had no choice. He was not in good enough shape to even attempt any other treatment at this point. I wish I would have caught this earlier and maybe treatment would have been better. He had been living with Feline Leukemia since birth and he lived to be almost 7, so at least I was blessed with that time with him. Right now the hardest thing is to come home and not have him waiting at the door for me. I am praying that I made the right decision and didnt jump the gun on putting him to sleep, but I just could not take it if I knew that I was prolonging his suffering. I am having him cremated and we are having a special urn made for him with his picture. All I can say is that having Cole for a short 6 1/2 years was worth the heartache I have now, he was my rock and was there for me when I needed him and now it is my turn to be there for him. Thank you all for your support and words of advice, it helped me make it through the 2 toughest weeks of my life. I love you Cole. Kim ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties
Re: [Felvtalk] Cole's last fight
I know how awful it is to come home to a house without your friend..I had to do it when Dixie left this world. She moved into the house on the farm the minute I did and everything was hers. It gets better as time goes on but you know that. Right now cry and talk and generally do what makes you feel a little better. I am very sure you did exactly what Cole would have wanted you to. After all, everything you did was from your heart. Please remember that he is close by. Talk to him. Tell him your fears and your love. You may find that, like a lot of us, it helps. Blessings to you and Cole and all you loved and cared for him. On Aug 25, 2008, at 11:59 PM, Kim Thomas wrote: It is with great sadness that I have to say that my Cole has lost his fight. The last 2 weeks he has been recieving epogen shots two times a week and we found out today that the shots have not improved his anemia. He in fact got worse and his hemoglobin went down to 9% from 11% 2 weeks ago. He has also lost an addition 1lb in 3 days because he would not eat. It was the hardest thing ever to have to make the call in putting him to sleep or not, but he has been so lethargic and down the last couple days, I had no choice. He was not in good enough shape to even attempt any other treatment at this point. I wish I would have caught this earlier and maybe treatment would have been better. He had been living with Feline Leukemia since birth and he lived to be almost 7, so at least I was blessed with that time with him. Right now the hardest thing is to come home and not have him waiting at the door for me. I am praying that I made the right decision and didnt jump the gun on putting him to sleep, but I just could not take it if I knew that I was prolonging his suffering. I am having him cremated and we are having a special urn made for him with his picture. All I can say is that having Cole for a short 6 1/2 years was worth the heartache I have now, he was my rock and was there for me when I needed him and now it is my turn to be there for him. Thank you all for your support and words of advice, it helped me make it through the 2 toughest weeks of my life. I love you Cole. Kim ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Duncan is gone
I am so sorry. May all the angels hug you and Duncan and all the others in both worlds. On Aug 19, 2008, at 8:32 PM, Laura Mostello wrote: Sadly, I had to have Duncan euthanized last night. He was suffering from a URI and getting Clavamox, and the URI was clearing up, but he was still sluggish. On Sunday night he seemed disoriented, and was crying as if he was in a lot of pain. I rushed him to the emergency vet and then to my regular vet Monday morning. The vet called me at 5:30 as I was driving home from work to get Duncan's food and told me that he thought Duncan was very close to dying. Test results had showed Hemobartonella and he was fading fast. We talked about possible treatments but Dr Leathers felt that it would be best, and kindest, to put him down. He deteriorated so quickly - just a couple of days ago he was eating and walking around. Unfortunately, I assumed he just wasn't 100% because of the URI. I will not make that mistake again. He has never shown any symptoms in the year that I've had him. My other two positives, who lived with him, are fine, but I'm going to have them checked out at the vet next week. I lost my 18 year old cat last Monday so this hasn't been a very good past couple of weeks for me. Laura ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures and some fabulous non-related news!!!
Have you checked with Susan re the seizures? They could be vaccine related. On Aug 15, 2008, at 7:21 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Well, I guess the lord truly does giveth and taketh away in a good ways sometimes! Just as I am struggling to deal with my returned foster suffering from seziures of unknown origin and reaching the height of my stress...I also have the best news I have had in a long time. My feleuk foster Manny has a home. A lady and her 14 yo son were coming to look at him tonight at 6:00 and I had not allowed myself to get excited about it b/c I am realistic. But they knew he had feleuk and still wanted to see him (tho they have never had a feleuk- had two cats that lived to be 18-20 that died a few months ago a few mths apart). The son needed time to grieve but has recently been asking for a cat. They just want 1 so a foster friend suggested my Manny b/c I'm desperate to get him home b/c I just don't have the set up for him to have much of a life here-- running out of rooms! They have already been screened by the organization I am adopting him thru or else they wouldn't have come to the house to see him. AND they are cousins by marriage of one of my fellow foster friends! Manny is the healthiest thing ever and he's flourished in my care-- he's all muscle, not an ounce of fat, vivacious, playful, tons of fun, and a complete alpha male who rules humans and dogs-- whomever he is given the opportunity to interact with!!! He's the smartest thing in this house and that includes the dogs- of which one is very bright-- but Manny takes the cake in the brains area. I love love love him and would so keep him if I hadn't already had non-feleuk fosters and house cats and in particular kitten fosters. So I didn't get my hopes up too much when they came to see him but they asked all the right questions about feleuk and I think they feel comfortable b/c they can rely on me and my experience since we will have a very open adoption! She is a nurse so she has a great base of knowledge for understanding his disease! I just want him to have a home so I have told them that I will help personally with vet bills so that he can have his red blood cells monitored every 6 months and should he ever get sick- with the treatment. The organization I am adopting him thru (I am working with another one on the side now that I am very happy with) helps with vet bills in all cases and will assist with his should he get sick! They said they were told by another rescuer/foster in the organization that they will just know the right cat for them when they see it and they said we just know it's him! I just can't believe I got my Manny a home I have a few days to spend with him to say goodbye so I can ease myself into it-- they want to clean the house for Manny and have to get a litterbox, etc. because they threw things out. I just can't even explain to you how happy I am but I know you all share my joy! Manny finally gets a young boy to PLAY WITH, an entire house to romp in, and windows to bird watch from ALL DAY (instead of just a few hours a day)! I couldn't possibly want more for him. Caroline _ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary issues
See if you can find a holistic vet. There may be some supplements you can use. Somewhere I read had cosaquin stregthens bladder muscles.I have no personal knowledge but am a big fan of holistic medicines, especially when the regular vets are out of ideas. There are nice mattress pads that have a vinyl back (I just put one on my bed from K-Mart because of the kittens--ferals are not as easily trained as I would like :). Also there are pads dogs can wearwonder if she would wear them? On Aug 14, 2008, at 8:29 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: Does anyone here know of a group of some sort or have any ideas what I can try next? First of all my fiv+ girl has been diagnosed with IFLUTD ( idiopathic feline lower urinary tract disease) back in April when she started piddling on my bed.Well after being on Amitryptaline for awhil(,which was supposed to help) but did not.She still pees in her sleep and sometimes just sitting there. She has been checked for bladder infections,crystals,growths etc.Dr. Jen aid she has ran all the tests that she could. :( I am SO frustrated.This morning I was startled awake with pee trickling through my legs.She must have fell asleep on me.I have pads on the bed that she usually lays on,but my feet must have been in the way and she likes to lay on me.She acts fine otherwise,just does not have control of her bladder. :( Any thoughts on this? I am trying to get hold of a doctor at the Cat clinic here that I am going to ask,but I really cant afford to bring her there. I spent thousands thee on my Maizee a few years back.Thanks in advance. Sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary issues
There are pads that are washable (disposable is too expensive) that are used under people in nursing homes/hospitals. I bought a bunch of these when a most loved dog was having similar problems because of a terminal illness. I am lucky enough to have a washer and dryer available but these pads made life much easier. That may be what you have on the end of your bed. I am told there are similar pads for changing babies. Blessings to both of you. On Aug 14, 2008, at 8:50 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: Thanks for your input Marylyn.I have a mattress pad on there,one of the first things I bought when it all started.I also have a water proof one at the foot of my bed on top,I got tired of washing my bedding every other day,especially having to go to the laundromat. : ( I have used Cosequin or Dasequin for my fiv+ boy with mouth issues,but stopped,seemed to not make a difference. I will have to look into that for this problem. I believe one of the vets at the Cat Clinic is a holistic vet. --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary issues To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 9:35 PM See if you can find a holistic vet. There may be some supplements you can use. Somewhere I read had cosaquin stregthens bladder muscles.I have no personal knowledge but am a big fan of holistic medicines, especially when the regular vets are out of ideas. There are nice mattress pads that have a vinyl back (I just put one on my bed from K-Mart because of the kittens--ferals are not as easily trained as I would like :). Also there are pads dogs can wearwonder if she would wear them? On Aug 14, 2008, at 8:29 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: Does anyone here know of a group of some sort or have any ideas what I can try next? First of all my fiv+ girl has been diagnosed with IFLUTD ( idiopathic feline lower urinary tract disease) back in April when she started piddling on my bed.Well after being on Amitryptaline for awhil(,which was supposed to help) but did not.She still pees in her sleep and sometimes just sitting there. She has been checked for bladder infections,crystals,growths etc.Dr. Jen aid she has ran all the tests that she could. :( I am SO frustrated.This morning I was startled awake with pee trickling through my legs.She must have fell asleep on me.I have pads on the bed that she usually lays on,but my feet must have been in the way and she likes to lay on me.She acts fine otherwise,just does not have control of her bladder. :( Any thoughts on this? I am trying to get hold of a doctor at the Cat clinic here that I am going to ask,but I really cant afford to bring her there. I spent thousands thee on my Maizee a few years back.Thanks in advance. Sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens be FeLV+??
It is so hard to deal with these things. Thank God they have people like you to care about them during their last while on earth. It is so much better to die in loving hands than in a cold cage. I don't know if they still use gas to kill in shelters or not but that was gruesome. Even the injections in the hands of the uncaring or unskilled are awful. Again, bless you for being there. On Aug 13, 2008, at 7:55 AM, Laurieskatz wrote: Alice, we did euthanize. It was excruciating because they had survived a year ~ though small they were healthy. They went downhill quickly as cats often do, esp FeLV+ cats. By the slowly die off, I meant first one died and then another and then the mama. Last night we had to make a decision to have a kitten euthanized shortly after she was rescued from the flood area because she was so sick, so small and had injuries that would have meant drilling into her bones and several surgeries to repair. We got opinions from 3 vets and they all made the same recommendation. :L -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alice hanson Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 4:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens be FeLV+?? Laurie, if the kittens were in so much pain, why didn't you end their pain sooner? I told my little kitties right from the start, if they got to a point where they were miserable, I would help them over the rainbow bridge, no matter how heartbreaking it would be for me. I can't let them suffer!!Alice ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:54:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens be FeLV+?? We rescued one mom with 4 kittens. All were FeLV+. It was heartbreaking watching them slowly die off. The mom and 2 kittens died early on but two kittens lived to age 1 and then died excruciating deaths. It was costly and we couldn't find homes. Hard enough to find homes for healthy ones. My decision would be to spay/abort. I put the mommy's first since they already have life. L -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura B Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens be FeLV+?? Since you are her guardian, obviously it's your choice as to what to do, but I know for me, I try to do what is best for the cat, and not make a decsion based on how it makes me feel. But again, it's your decsion and we can only give advice. Please tell me that you have separated Ash and Isobel? On the chance that she isn't pregnant you really need to separate them until one of them is fixed. Also, if you do plan on letting her have the kittens if she is pregnant, I would start saving some money now, because you will need to get her kittens S/N before putting them out for adoption, also incase she has a difficult delivery and needs emergency care. The rescue that I work with (I foster kittens when we come across them TNR'ing) does not adopt out intact kittens. Which unfortunatly is the only way to ensure that a cat will be S/N' d these days. We're going to keep all paws crossed that Isobel is not pregnant, there is still that chance. Laura --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens be FeLV+?? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 7:34 PM I know it makes sense to spay abort, but I don't really know. I don't believe in abortion...and it would be a really tough thing for me to do. I really want to try and find them homes. I just can't imagine killing life...I know it sounds horrible especially with the overpopulation. Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please pray for Michelle Lerner's Patches
May all the angels surround both of them. On Aug 13, 2008, at 10:22 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Dear all I just had a request for prayers from former member Michelle Lerner for her sweet Patches. Patches has FeLV, FIV, diabetes and hyperthyroidism, and has survived many crises over the years. Now she's battling to overcome another. (For those of you who don't know Michelle she was a tireless and hugely knowledgeable contributor--as can be seen in the archives--to the listserv for many years.) Please can everyone send prayers and good wishes for Patches' recovery. Thanks so much Kerry M. I know I have been out of touch. But I am writing to ask you to pray for Patches, and to send a request to the listserve on behalf asking for prayers. As you may know, Patches is now at least 7 years old (the vets think 8 or 9 or older). She has lymphoma and has been doing well on chemo. She also has diabetes and hyperthyroidism. Despite all of this, and being FeLV+ and FIV+, she was doing really great until two days ago-- fat and happy and you would never know a thing was wrong. Two days ago had what seemed to be a severe pancreatitis attack (she also had one in May 2007 when she became diabetic), and was jaundiced from what they thought was cholangeohepatitis, an infection of the liver that often accompanies pancreatitis. They did an ultrasound and thought that is what it is (internist and oncologist) since it did not look like the lymphoma was back. She has been in the hospital since Saturday night, and except for not e! ating, they thought she was doing well at first. But she would spit up everything she was syringe fed, and now is suddenly very anemic (HCT 16). They put a feeding tube in and are transfusing her. We saw her before and after the tube was inserted and she purred both times. But the vets do not think she has much chance of survival. They think the lymphoma is probably back, which can only be fought with chemo, and she can't get chemo in this condition. If it is not lymphoma, the rest of the problems she is having, combined, give her at best a 50/50 chance of survival. When they put the tube in, they did a liver aspirate, so we should not about the lymphoma tomorrow. But they really think that is what is going on. If it is, I guess we will just take her home for as long as we can keep her comfortable and give her lots of cuddling and fussing, but it would probably be for a very short time. If it is not lymphoma, I guess she would stay in the hospital and try treatment longer. ! we are not hopeful, though. Please pray for her to feel better, for it not to be lymphoma, for her to get better, and for her to be calm and and as content as possible, and to get some good time to spend at home with us. She has been so happy being the only cat (our negative Quincy is in a separate part of the house and she doesn't see him) and be doted on since the other positives died. She has really blossomed in the last year and a half, and loves cuddling and pets and catnip and cardboard boxes. I know it is miraculous and heroic of her to make it this long, but it still seems to soon to let her go. She is such a superhero, and we love her so. Please send prayers and warm thoughts. thanks, Michelle _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New Here
I fed Dixie Louise Primal Raw mixed with organic veggies that were high in iron and/or vitamin C. From the China scare she never had food with grains. Until a very few days before she left this world she was very healthy and happy. She saw a holistic vet frequently and a regular vet as needed..which was very rarely. The best thing you can do is love them and let them love and teach you. They are full of wisdom. Enjoy every second and do not focus on the condition. Give them the best you can in everything but realize that there are no guarantees in life. Blessings to you. On Aug 13, 2008, at 8:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! I'm new to this list. My husband and I have two FeLV positive cats. Bo is four, and Seven was a year old in June. We have them both on interferon and have regular well-cat visits with our vets. So far, Bo and Seven are in good health. I have read a lot recently about diets for cats with FeLV. Any tips from the folks here on what to look for in designing a good-health diet for our beloved cats? Glad to be a part of this list! Jody (and Bo Seven) -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] testing kittens
Dixie Louise was grown when she came into my life. As you know, she left on June 12. On July 14 and 30 two young kittens (ferals) came into my life. Obviously I want to get them tested. The results make no difference in their futures. They will be indoor, cared for cats all their days. I do want to get them tested at some point. The question is how old should they be to get reliable results? I have never raised kittens. I was always able to find homes for them and I kept older cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens beFeLV+??
And the life they lead before they are killed is rough. They are surrounded by awful noises, cold bars..and may or may not have a gentle death at the hands of people who cannot afford to love them. On Aug 12, 2008, at 8:12 AM, Heather wrote: Even with negative kittens, unless you find a strictly no kill shelter and keep them yourself until they are 8 weeks, they'd probably be put to sleep anyway without even being tested...and even a no-kill shelter will euthanize the positives. I know it sounds sad to terminate but unless you will keep them yourself...the one thing sadder than the idea of termination is if you go to your local AS/AC agency and see all of the sweet, friendly, beautiful Mom full litters of kittens who are being put to sleep--positive or negative. On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know the groups in Southern New Jersey (although I lived there many years ago) - but some group will gladly help you with testing and s/n. Yes, the kittens would most likely be euthanized at a shelter, if FELV +.Good chance they'd be euthanized even if negative. BTW, some vets will spay a pregnant cat, depending on how far along, some won't. Let us know what the test results are! Best of luck, Gloria On Aug 11, 2008, at 7:47 PM, Jennifer wrote: and the only possible father is my FeLV+ kitty, Ash. Isobel is showing signs of pregnancy (hard and protruding tummy as well as pointy nipples). She's going this Thursday to get tested for FeLV. My question is, if she tests negative (which my guess is she won't being that her and Ash mated), will the kittens be FeLV+ because their father is FeLV+? Also, if Isobel is pregnant and she is FeLV+, does that automatically mean the kittens will be too? I feel so horrible about not getting her fixed sooner, but my money is tight and I have to save up just to take them to the vet. If she is pregnant, I can't keep the kittens as we already have three and my boyfriend is allergic and says no way to any more cats in the house, which I understand. If I take them to a shelter and they're positive, won't they put them to sleep right away? I don't want that to happen. I live in Southern New Jersey...anyone want more kittens?? When I take her to the vet this week, I'll have them confirm her pregnancy. Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens be FeLV+??
I wonder if you could spay her before you neuter him. The earlier the better for her sake. Putting him off, since she is already pregnant, shouldn't be an issue. On Aug 12, 2008, at 8:02 PM, Jennifer wrote: I was planning on spaying her after Ash gets neutered. I am still going to spay her at the local SPCA since they do it cheaper than my vet would. I am still considered doing a spay-abortion. Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) --- On Wed, 8/13/08, janine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: janine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens be FeLV+?? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 12:32 AM Hi, I am not so active on this list because I am primarily doing rescue with only occassional positives. But, I have to say I would spay this cat so fast, pregnant or not. There are way too many kittens being born outside this year - back to back pregnancies it seems. And you don't need your girl to have problems giving birth either. Janine, from CT, overwhelmed with kittens! --- Laura B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jennifer, Even if FeLV were not a factor in this possible pregnancy I would suggest a spay-abort. The kitten season has been particulary bad this summer in Jersey (and probably elsewhere) so if you can't keep them they would have a VERY bleak future. I live in central Jersey and if you're not too far from Toms River (don't know how far south you are) you can take her to a clinic there that does low cost S/N. We take all the ferals we can TNR there, and they have no problem doing spay-aborts. You actually have to go through ABC (Animal Birth Control) which is a group based in Bayville (I believe) NJ, they will give you a voucher or number that will entitle you to a low cost S/N. If you would like I can get the information for you, my neighbor has it since she does TNR daily this time of year. I help out financially when I can since I work during the day (she doesn't work, cept for sterilizing cat colonies for people). Laura --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens be FeLV+?? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 8:47 PM and the only possible father is my FeLV+ kitty, Ash. Isobel is showing signs of pregnancy (hard and protruding tummy as well as pointy nipples). She's going this Thursday to get tested for FeLV. My question is, if she tests negative (which my guess is she won't being that her and Ash mated), will the kittens be FeLV+ because their father is FeLV+? Also, if Isobel is pregnant and she is FeLV+, does that automatically mean the kittens will be too? I feel so horrible about not getting her fixed sooner, but my money is tight and I have to save up just to take them to the vet. If she is pregnant, I can't keep the kittens as we already have three and my boyfriend is allergic and says no way to any more cats in the house, which I understand. If I take them to a shelter and they're positive, won't they put them to sleep right away? I don't want that to happen. I live in Southern New Jersey...anyone want more kittens?? When I take her to the vet this week, I'll have them confirm her pregnancy. Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Healthy dry foods?
I bought organic spinach, carrots, green peas, green beans and squash (usually frozen but, if we were traveling, baby food) and just ground it up in a small Black Decker grinder and mixed it with her Primal Raw or even canned foods (again, organic no grain food). Sometimes I would get fresh carrots or broccoli. It depended on what was available at the time and what I could manage under the circumstances. I have friends who swear by Honest Kitchen's products for their dogs. www.thehonestkitchen.com has a relatively new cat version out. Dixie loved the veggies. The kittens she sent me love pumpkin mixed in their food. They are young and feral (they are indoor, cared for kittens now obviously) so we are working on diet issues. It takes time. On Aug 11, 2008, at 6:48 AM, Giselle de Grandis wrote: Many thanks to Laurie, Jennifer, Marylyn Sabrina for writing in response to my question about healthy dry foods. I'm now seriously considering putting Pixie on a commercially prepared raw food diet after discovering a BARF supplier in a nearby town. (I find the BARF moniker hilariously appropriate as a vegetarian ;P) Their formulation for cats is strictly meats, organs and bones without any vegetable component (which they do however include in the dog formulation). Marylyn, you wrote that you added organic veggies rich in iron and/or vitamin C to Dixie's food -- could you tell me a little more about this? Sabrina, thanks for recommending the Yahoo raw food groups and mentioning some brands of grain-free dry food, which I didn't even know existed! If the raw food diet doesn't work out I'll definitely go out of my way to find grain-free dry food for Pixie. Thanks again everyone. Giselle ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens be FeLV+??
Can you have them spay her even though she is pregnant? Anyway you look at it, the kittens have no future. Some people can do this and others just can't. Neither group is right or wrong. I guess the question is whether it is better to lose your life kindly and gently or, after you are several weeks or months old, to a shelter or a car or a vicious dog or.. This is something you have to settle in your heart. No one can tell you what is right or wrong. I know for myself and many on this list have made their decisions. Blessings to you for loving and caring. On Aug 11, 2008, at 7:47 PM, Jennifer wrote: and the only possible father is my FeLV+ kitty, Ash. Isobel is showing signs of pregnancy (hard and protruding tummy as well as pointy nipples). She's going this Thursday to get tested for FeLV. My question is, if she tests negative (which my guess is she won't being that her and Ash mated), will the kittens be FeLV+ because their father is FeLV+? Also, if Isobel is pregnant and she is FeLV +, does that automatically mean the kittens will be too? I feel so horrible about not getting her fixed sooner, but my money is tight and I have to save up just to take them to the vet. If she is pregnant, I can't keep the kittens as we already have three and my boyfriend is allergic and says no way to any more cats in the house, which I understand. If I take them to a shelter and they're positive, won't they put them to sleep right away? I don't want that to happen. I live in Southern New Jersey...anyone want more kittens?? When I take her to the vet this week, I'll have them confirm her pregnancy. Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Maizee Grace
Anniversaries are very hard. Talk to her. She will comfort you. On Aug 8, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: Today would have been my beautiful baby girls 3rd b-day.What georgeous girl she would have been. Missing her like it was just yesterday that she left me. Sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?
I can't explain all the technical stuff. Try this website and then google it because you have to follow your own heart: http://www.horizonvetserv.com/ My understanding is that bloodwork is done to determine how much immunity an animal has. Again, follow your heart with the best information you can get. On Aug 8, 2008, at 11:24 AM, lexingtongrn wrote: What is a Rabies Titer? blockquote dir=ltr style=MARGIN-RIGHT:0px; img src=http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/ tsmileys2/04.giffont face=Comic Sans MSPaula Howell/font/ blockquote - Original Message From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 8, 2008 1:30:56 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes? Kentucky accepts them. On Aug 7, 2008, at 10:31 PM, Sabrina wrote: Where are you that titers aren't accepted? Just curious. I *believe* that rabies titers are not accepted in lieu of the actual vaccine, as unnecessary as it may be, in any of the 50 states. Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Healthy dry foods?
Primal Raw is as easy as opening a can. The freezer bag contains small cubes of meats and some veggies. I added organic veggies that were rich in iron and/or vitamin c to it (Dixie loved vegetables). I am vegetarian and, while I have cooked for my critters, it is a lot easier to do the Primal Raw. When I am sure the kittens are doing well, they will be converted to it. On Aug 8, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Sabrina wrote: Hi Giselle, Glad to hear that Pixie is doing so well! I would drop Nutro like it's on fire! It's better than some foods, but it's still FULL of ingredients that our kitties are not designed to eat. Remember, cats are obligate carnivores, so they have ABSOLUTELY NO NEED for grains! They need MEAT, and a little, tiny bit of vegetable matter. If they do eat these foods they were never meant to eat, over time, it shows. Their bodies have to deal with these products that they don't know how to digest, which takes it's toll on the body. Especially the filtering organs like the liver and kidneys as they have to filter out the toxins. Arthritis, allergies, kidney/liver disorders, you name it. The BEST thing for our kitties is a natural, raw diet of meat, bone, and a little bit of veggies. Yes, it's a bit more work than opening a bag of food, but remember that these commercial foods were created to be a convenience to pet owners and food produced for convenience are rarely, if ever, nutritionally adequate. I'll be honest, raw feeding can be VERY intimidating at first, but then you'll get the hang of it. There are also Yahoo groups that can help you prepare a nutritionally-balanced diet. Contact me off-list if you'd like more info. Like I said, the BEST food for an animal is a home-prepared raw diet. Second best would be a commercially prepared raw diet. Then a home-prepared cooked, then a canned food only diet, and at the bottom of the list would be dry food only. If you MUST feed a dry food, go for Innova EVO, Wellness CORE, Nature's Variety (Prairie) Raw Instinct, or another grain-free cat food. These are somewhat better than grain-filled cat foods, but they are still HIGH on carbohydrates, and have FAR more carbs than our kitties can process. Whatever you do, stay far, FAR away from the best-known brands, like Science Diet, Iams/Eukanuba, Purina, Friskies, Meow Mix, etc. These companies spend so much money on advertising that there's really no money left over for the actual food, so they are about the lowest quality you can find. Well, actually, vet-prescribed diets are the lowest quality, but that's another rant all-together! Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?
Where are you that titers aren't accepted? Just curious. On Aug 7, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My homeopathic vet does very few vaccinations. She does rabies titers whenever possible. We are not legally allowed to use titers for rabies here. I wish we could. Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?
Kentucky accepts them. On Aug 7, 2008, at 10:31 PM, Sabrina wrote: Where are you that titers aren't accepted? Just curious. I *believe* that rabies titers are not accepted in lieu of the actual vaccine, as unnecessary as it may be, in any of the 50 states. Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?
He most assuredly can be. I have had non-FeLV+ spayed (much more serious) without their vaccinations. Talk to the vet and if you can't do anything find another one. I just took LCK and LGK to the vet to be checked out (they came in from the pine thicket--long story). They went in at different times. They are young (8 or so weeks) but at the age people start getting their shots. I made it very plain that I wanted nothing but worming, de-miting/fleaing etc and what they needed for their immediate health (one was dehydrated, vomiting etc). I want them to be older and better health before their system is assaulted with vaccines. The vets agreed to that and (unofficially) supported the decision. If he is not boarding the vet has absolutely no reason to vaccinate. On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Jennifer wrote: So wait...my Ash is FeLV+ and getting neutered on the 28th, but he's going in for all his shots on the 14th. He needs to be fixed because he's spraying and I can't have that. He can't be fixed without his vaxes. What should I do? Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Sabrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Sabrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 8:40 PM She will be vaxed, checked out, and spayed before she is rehomed. Can you get around vaxing her? If she is FeLV+, she should NOT be vaccinated. Only healthy, virus-free animals should be vaccinated. Check your vaccine manufacturer's directions. This is what my vaccine (Intervet Protex-3) says on the label: Only healthy animals should be vaccinated. Animals incubating any disease, or animals stressed due to shipping, malnutrition or parasitism may not achieve or maintain an adequate immune response. Her immune system is being taxed by the virus, she does not need further challenges to her immune system. Contrary to popular belief, vaccines are NOT harmless. Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?
On Aug 6, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Marylyn wrote: Some vets honestly believe vaccinations are in the best interest of the pet and her guardian. Dixie received s rabies shot before her tests came back. There was no reason to suspect that she was FeLV +. She was full grown and appeared very healthy. That was the last vaccination she received and that was with the blessing of her vets, both the regular vets and her holistic vets. Check out the comments and links by Dr. Maier at the bottom of the page: http://www.kentuckianapets.com/forum/topic/show?id=1246639%3ATopic%3A1517 We over vaccinate pets in our loving desire to protect them. You are your friend's guardian and advocate. He cannot stand up for himself. He is literally at your mercy. Do what your heart says is best with the best information you can get. On Aug 6, 2008, at 8:13 PM, Jennifer wrote: Really? I had no idea vets didn't need to vaccinate in order to neuter/spay. I guess it's their way of getting more money. I will run that by my vet and tell him I don't want Ash to get any shots because of his FeLV+ status, and see what he says. See, that's the thing that bugs me. Vets are supposed to be animal advocates and do what's right by them, and surely they know that giving FeLV+ cats vaccines isn't the best thing to do for their immune system...yet they do it anyway! It all comes down to the mighty dollar. Ugh! --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 12:30 AM He most assuredly can be. I have had non-FeLV+ spayed (much more serious) without their vaccinations. Talk to the vet and if you can't do anything find another one. I just took LCK and LGK to the vet to be checked out (they came in from the pine thicket--long story). They went in at different times. They are young (8 or so weeks) but at the age people start getting their shots. I made it very plain that I wanted nothing but worming, de-miting/fleaing etc and what they needed for their immediate health (one was dehydrated, vomiting etc). I want them to be older and better health before their system is assaulted with vaccines. The vets agreed to that and (unofficially) supported the decision. If he is not boarding the vet has absolutely no reason to vaccinate. On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Jennifer wrote: So wait...my Ash is FeLV+ and getting neutered on the 28th, but he's going in for all his shots on the 14th. He needs to be fixed because he's spraying and I can't have that. He can't be fixed without his vaxes. What should I do? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Furry Laura update ?'s
I wish Dixie had been a little larger weight wise. She was so small that anemia and the resulting dehydration took her very quickly. A little extra weight might have helped. Unfortunately, Dixie was very good, as most cats are, at disguising health problems. And you are feeding a good food. On Aug 3, 2008, at 7:54 AM, Laura B wrote: Hi All, I've been reading through this list, lots of great information! Been trying to chime in but having trouble keeping up with the fast pace lately, you are all very chatty :) Anyway, Laura, my FeLV + kitty is doing wonderfully. She had several days of loose stool, a few weeks back and I think it was from the vetri-science treats that I was giving her, they had lysine (she has herpes) and DMG in them. Once I stopped them, she firmed back up again. She's gained quite a bit of weight, my neighbor/pet sitter (who visits Laura daily) thinks it might be a bit too much. But honestly I think having a little bit of extra insulalation is good for her, gives her more of a buffer if she should become sick. What do you all think? She's not fat, but she is very solid and borderline a little chunky. She looks great, all of her fur has grown back (she had alot of bald patches when I got her) and her coat is shiny and dense. She eats a full can and 1/2 of wellness per day (5.5 oz can) plus I free feed dry wellness for her. Since I currently have a very sick 14 year old, who won't eat, I'm just thrilled that Laura's appetite is so healthy, maybe it's too much, but again, I think she needs a little extra meat on her on bones. Thanks in advance for any comments, Laura ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
Some people, including me, contact animal communicators when faced with problems. If you are open to this, try it and what rings true to your heartnot your mind but your heart. On Aug 2, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Lynne wrote: I'm faced with another horrible decision. Our 19 year old should be leaving this world and I just can't deal with this. He is pretty much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy. But now he is not using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about everywhere. We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't care about that. Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floor. He won't sit on our laps anymore. I've tried so hard to stimulate him by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare like he isn't really in that body anymore. I just can't tell if he enjoys living or wants it to end. I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so we could know for sure. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Marylyn wrote: Can you confine him to an area where he will cause no harm? Perhaps try some sort of sedatives or catnip or ? to relieve whatever anxieties he may have? I am a big believer in Feliway and Rescue Remedy. This is assuming he is having some problems because of anxiety and/or is picking up on your anxiety over the problems. Just ideas. If there are no a/cs in your area, most will consult by phone. Here is the emails of two I know personally: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ann Baumbach)[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Judy Guetig Greenberg). You can email them and ask questions re their qualifications, prices, etc. There are wonderful articles on the internet if you Google for them. This is a website that has some information on it: http://www.horizonvetserv.com You can do this yourself but you may find that you are too close to the situation. As always, I am putting this on the table. Take what works for you and leave the rest. If none of it feels right to you, do not feel bad. We are all on our own paths and they are not the same. Good luck. On Aug 2, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Lynne wrote: Thanks Marylyn and Sally. I have never heard of an animal communicator. And no Sally I haven't taken him to the vet. We agreed though that we are going to before making a decision. My husband said he got so angry last night for what Lennie had done but says he doesn't want to have him put down if we can make some changes that may help him. I gave my husband a good lashing about getting angry about a poor old senile guy not knowing what he's doing and reminded him that there may come a day that he craps himself and hopefully no one will get angry at him. He's always been very close to Len, and I know he doesn't want to lose him. SO we are going to make an appointment to have him checked out and see if there is anything to help him. The only problem is, you know yourself that some vets will order every test ever invented and prescribe a ton of medication that honestly serves no purpose. I can almost predict what Len's vet will do. Prednisone and antibiotics, more blood work maybe even an x-ray. I've practically broke the bank with BooBoo, Snowy and Len. Still, we'll take him in for treatment and work on making a plan to help with mistakes at night. AND I am going to search around to see if there is an animal communicator in my area. Again, thanks girls for the advice. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Marylyn wrote: You are listening to your heart. This is good. Try some fresh catnip now that he is having problems. Tastes change and a few leaves won't hurt a thing. On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Lynne wrote: Thanks again Marylyn. I had just sat down to do some googling for Len. We have a nice back room, the laundry room, just redid it with easily cleanable flooring so we've decided that will be his night time room. We're also able to leave the patio door open enough for him to go out there but not wide enough that intruders could get in. The patio is screened in and he enjoys being out there during the day. It's at night when the problems arise, kind of like my mom was with Alzheimer's. | want to do some searching about medications too, perhaps sedative and/or calming type products. I have cat nip growing all over the place but neither of our cats care about the stuff. I am also going to look for the Feliway. It's certainly worth a try. We're not going to give up on him yet. I just don't think it's quite the time. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Marylyn wrote: Be very careful with lavender. There is something in the essential oil that is poisonous to cats. Or so my holistic vet, who is an expert in cats, says. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19 This is the amazon.com link for Feliway. I cannot imagine vets not carrying it. Oh well. On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Lynne wrote: I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway. I also called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, just vets. I may have to order it online. But I will try some fresh catnip. That I have no problem in finding. Before I go to bed at night with Snowball I always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a calming herb. I swear Snowball enjoys it as much as I do. I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender guy but who knows. I'll try anything. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: feliway availability
Thank goodness I have never had that problem and my vets (both regular and holistic) believe in it, use it and sell it. I do not like the plug in version at all though. On Aug 2, 2008, at 2:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote: most vets here don't carry it, as it's not a medicine--but for a brief period last year, no STORES could carry it because the state of michigan decided that it was a drug, and the company that made it refused to put it through the years of clinical trials involved, since no OTHER state was treating it as a drug. it is now available in pet stores again, so i guess the state gave that little money- making scheme up. On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Marylyn wrote: Be very careful with lavender. There is something in the essential oil that is poisonous to cats. Or so my holistic vet, who is an expert in cats, says. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19 This is the amazon.com link for Feliway. I cannot imagine vets not carrying it. Oh well. On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Lynne wrote: I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway. I also called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, just vets. I may have to order it online. But I will try some fresh catnip. That I have no problem in finding. Before I go to bed at night with Snowball I always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a calming herb. I swear Snowball enjoys it as much as I do. I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender guy but who knows. I'll try anything. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
Can you confine him to an area where he will cause no harm? Perhaps try some sort of sedatives or catnip or ? to relieve whatever anxieties he may have? I am a big believer in Feliway and Rescue Remedy. This is assuming he is having some problems because of anxiety and/or is picking up on your anxiety over the problems. Just ideas. If there are no a/cs in your area, most will consult by phone. Here is the emails of two I know personally: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ann Baumbach)[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Judy Guetig Greenberg). You can email them and ask questions re their qualifications, prices, etc. There are wonderful articles on the internet if you Google for them. This is a website that has some information on it: http://www.horizonvetserv.com You can do this yourself but you may find that you are too close to the situation. As always, I am putting this on the table. Take what works for you and leave the rest. If none of it feels right to you, do not feel bad. We are all on our own paths and they are not the same. Good luck. On Aug 2, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Lynne wrote: Thanks Marylyn and Sally. I have never heard of an animal communicator. And no Sally I haven't taken him to the vet. We agreed though that we are going to before making a decision. My husband said he got so angry last night for what Lennie had done but says he doesn't want to have him put down if we can make some changes that may help him. I gave my husband a good lashing about getting angry about a poor old senile guy not knowing what he's doing and reminded him that there may come a day that he craps himself and hopefully no one will get angry at him. He's always been very close to Len, and I know he doesn't want to lose him. SO we are going to make an appointment to have him checked out and see if there is anything to help him. The only problem is, you know yourself that some vets will order every test ever invented and prescribe a ton of medication that honestly serves no purpose. I can almost predict what Len's vet will do. Prednisone and antibiotics, more blood work maybe even an x-ray. I've practically broke the bank with BooBoo, Snowy and Len. Still, we'll take him in for treatment and work on making a plan to help with mistakes at night. AND I am going to search around to see if there is an animal communicator in my area. Again, thanks girls for the advice. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision Some people, including me, contact animal communicators when faced with problems. If you are open to this, try it and what rings true to your heartnot your mind but your heart. On Aug 2, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Lynne wrote: I'm faced with another horrible decision. Our 19 year old should be leaving this world and I just can't deal with this. He is pretty much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy. But now he is not using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about everywhere. We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't care about that. Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floor. He won't sit on our laps anymore. I've tried so hard to stimulate him by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare like he isn't really in that body anymore. I just can't tell if he enjoys living or wants it to end. I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so we could know for sure. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
I've used them and have had very good luck. How do you know what a baby without words wants? Or how one cop can sense where the bad guy is hiding when dozens others can't? Or the feeling you get when sometime is just really wrong? There are charlatans out there unfortunately. You are the only person who can decide if it is right for you right now. On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:04 PM, Jennifer wrote: Do they really work? I've heard really bad stories about pet psychics. I'm sure animals can be tapped into because they have brains, they have feelings, they can think...but I don't know...the whole thing seems a bit hoaky. I'd like to be proven wrong though. Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 2:43 PM Some people, including me, contact animal communicators when faced with problems. If you are open to this, try it and what rings true to your heartnot your mind but your heart. On Aug 2, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Lynne wrote: I'm faced with another horrible decision. Our 19 year old should be leaving this world and I just can't deal with this. He is pretty much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy. But now he is not using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about everywhere. We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't care about that. Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floor. He won't sit on our laps anymore. I've tried so hard to stimulate him by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare like he isn't really in that body anymore. I just can't tell if he enjoys living or wants it to end. I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so we could know for sure. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements
Ferals will frequently get back in the cage..I have had to release the five who stay at my Mom's more times than I can count and so have her neighbors. On Aug 2, 2008, at 5:30 PM, Sally Davis wrote: There is this feral cat where I work. She has been fixed and her ear has been clipped. Getting her to a vet would be impossible as I imagine she would not get in a trap again. That being said she is very friendly to one lady at work who feeds her canned food. Anyway for the past couple months she has had on and off runny eyes and nose. She sneezes. Well figuring there was a chance it was herpes virus I gave Pat Junior's left over Lysine. In a weeks time she started clearing up. Baby Girl is feeling much better. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine
Colostrum is wonderful as far as I am concerned for any stressed animal. The two feral kittens I have been adopted by are getting it daily. They had a hard beginning. I want them to have everything I can think of to help them overcome it. They are also getting probiotics, grain free food etc. They have not been tested for FeLV or FIV yet. And I have not had them vaccinated for anything. They are inside so, as far as I am concerned, I can give them some extra time to gain weight and just be. I have been told that colostrum can be used if Transfer Factor is out of the question. I have used it on cats. Please remember I believe in a combination of traditional and alternative vets. The first place Dixie Louise went after we took execution off the table was to Dr. Betty Boswell. Betty saw her regularly until the day she died. Dixie was extremely healthy until very shortly (like days) before she left this world and her exit was fairly easy and quick. On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Sally Davis wrote: Hi Wendy Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I believe the addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV especially if they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to whether it boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a cat that does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I gave Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the herpes virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether you are able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant to be inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO. I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am uncertain how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff and I think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If you are going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has changed formulation but is it the plus form. Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so passionate. Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going far longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing. He lived another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got real bad very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in case I can help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope I am not put to the test again. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bring MM in the house
I really believe in using Feliway spray and Rescue Remedy when introducing/calming cats. Spray the area where they are and where they will be and put the RR in the water of all cats involved (and consider taking some yourself). Put washcloths, towels other such stuff that the cats have been on (petted with, slept on etc) with the other cat/cats so they can get used to the odors. I am introducing two kittensthe new guy is spending a lot of time in a very large carrier where the other one can play with him and they can smell each other, talk to each other etc. Maybe you can figure out something simularmaybe a screen door?? And have a safe place for the FIV+ to stay after brief visits with the regular crewmeeting and greeting can be exhausting and can go sour quickly. None of them (again, including you) need that kind of stress. Good luck. It will work. New thought: Are they going to be using the same litter box? If so, try putting some of MM's leavings in the others' box and visa versa. Not a lot but just enough over a period of time to let them adjust. On Jul 31, 2008, at 9:12 PM, April and Jay wrote: Hello! Tomorrow we are going to bring our FIV+ cat MM into our house. He is staying in our camper right now. We are going to keep him in a bedroom for a few weeks before we introduce him to our FIv- crew. Is there any tips, advice etc. anyone can give me? Thanks! April PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New member here
On Jul 30, 2008, at 6:26 AM, Marylyn wrote: It doesn't matter how old they are when they leave.it breaks your heart. However, he left loved and cared for. The comfort in that. And he added so much to your life. On Jul 30, 2008, at 2:20 AM, Karen Griffith wrote: Jennifer, I am glad that you are taking such good care of Ash. I don't get the time to post to the list often, but am willing to take telephone calls for advise. I am a 1974 Ohio State University grad in Animal Science and have my Masters work in Animal Nutrition and Physiology...with over 30 plus years experience and additional study as an Animal Scientist (Physiology/Pathology) and Nutritionist. I have worked with many FeLV cats. I now work mainly holistically, but also advise the use of traditional veterinary medications along with the natural. I can work with your veterinarian if you so wish. If you, or your veterinarian, would like to give me a call, I can answer any questions you may have and hopefully help you on your way to better health with your kitty. Let me know the best time to reach you by phone if I am not available when you call. There is no charge for my services or suggestions to anyone on this list.My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] . My other contact info is following. Looking forward to speaking with you. (This invitation also goes out to anyone one this list that is in need of help.) P.S. below, please read. Karen Griffith Karen Griffith Farms 34440 State Route 7 Pomeroy, Ohio 45769 Phone: 740-992-5782 Website: www.karengriffith.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you would put 'Old Tom' in your prayers, it would be appreciated. He was 25 years old 'I knew this for sure as I had him for 20 years', and had judged him at at least10 by his teeth when I castrated him and did his teeth. He died in the lightning storm we had here last week. He was FeLV positive for the last 10 yrs, and had endured other severe problems, but was in great health at his 'untimely' demise. You all will think I'm crazy for being upset at losing him this way, but it was storming too severely to go out in the lightning storm and hail to get him in...I had just let him outside 15 minutes before the storm suddenly rolled in. There were over 100mph straight line winds, many huge trees down, power lines, structural damage, etc. I miss him terribly. I have 25 cats I am taking care of, but 'The Old Man' was special. He was a tough, proud old guy. There are a lot of good stories about him. (I started to tell a few, but decided to leave it at that). I just miss him. The neighbor lost 2 horses in the storm as wellall 70 head of my horses came through OK. - ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New member here
She doesn't have a name yet. The right one will come. However, she got a new brother this morning, Another little one came out of the pine thicket a few days ago. He was extremely weak two days ago. I started feeding him chicken breast Monday and Tuesday. That livened him up a little. I put this little one in her carrier on the patio. He came to investigate. I suspect the conversation revolved around food, toys, food, dry sleeping quarters, food, kind words, foodHe was not skittish at all and came within about 3 inches of getting in the carrier by himself. He got close enough that I could safely get him in a carrier and haul him to the vets'. They may be litter mates. They are both too young to test for FeLV but, to be honest, even if they test + (and I am sure they won't) they will have EVERYYTHHHINGGG all their days. I just have to adjust to having kittens. I have never raised any.I always found them homes and kept older cats. :))) At the first opportunity both will see a holistic vet, Dr. Betty Boswelll, in Louisville for a general checkup. I am going to start both on various supplements, especially colostrum, just to aid in their development. They, like all the critters who have blessed my life, have had a rough start. Again, please listen to the people on this list and take what seems right for you and yours. Some believe in holistic/alternative care, some believe in conventional care, some, like me, believe in a combination. Some believe in communicators, others don't. It is a good variety and the range of experiences is impressive. Pick your path but do not be afraid to veer from it. Just make your decisions with both your heart and your head. It worked with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and it worked with Dixie Louise. It will work with these two and it will work for you. On Jul 30, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Jennifer wrote: That's such a touching story...brought tears to my eyes. What is your new kitty's name? Hopefully she's with you for a very long time :) Jennifer ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) --- On Wed, 7/30/08, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New member here To: Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 5:31 AM On Jul 29, 2008, at 11:59 PM, Marylyn wrote: Dixie came to me as a grown throw away who had been on her own for a long time. She found her way to my Mom's where she hung out with the ferals who came for food, water and shelter. For three years and 12 days she had everything a little cat could want. She became the owner of a farm in rural Ky with a large sunroom, window sills, deer, turkey and windows everywhere; Christmas trees that stayed up for months just because she liked to sleep under them; a large bed with pillows and dolls...everything a little cat could want, even things she didn't know about when she came into my life. She had the best regular and holist medical care available from the day I found out that she was FeLV+ and was so wonderfully healthy that I believed she had beaten it. She remained healthy until a couple of days before she left this world. When she left she was beside me, where she was always the safest, and in a Jeep that had taken her on many great adventures (she loved to travel between the farm and a home in Louisville). I have no regrets at all about having this wonderful little girl in my life. She taught me so much. Now, a month after she left, she has sent me a tiny kitten from the same pine thicket she came from. Apparently she thought this little one, who was alone just as she had been, should have everything too. There are no certainities in life. It sounds like you have a good grasp on the situation. This group has people knowledgeable in supplements that can help strengthen all your cats. Please listen to them and your heart. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz anemia update
On Jul 30, 2008, at 11:28 PM, Marylyn wrote: It has been 10 years since I fixed it for Mai Mai. I got beef liver, lightly cooked it the grinded it up. I froze it in muffin pans so I fixed quite a bit at a time. I am vegetarian so I tried to do a week or so supply. They are saying that liquids are better for absorption than pills if you can find some pet tinic. That is what we tried on Dixie. If you can't get it easily, www.amazon.com has it very reasonably. Mai Mai was a wonderful dog so she ate a lot more than a little cat. She was also very terminal so she pretty well got what she wanted. One of the holistic vets here recommended raw beef or buffalo/bison, preferably organic. Apparently the bison are raised with fewer drugs. Just a thoughtyou might grind some liver raw for him. Literally to a soup. It couldn't do harm that I can see. I fed Dixie Primal Raw and believe in a raw diet. If he eats it fine if not then try to cook some. Remember that the antibiotics may make him tired but do not attribute it all to that. Keep a very close watch on his gums. Good luck. On Jul 30, 2008, at 8:07 PM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: Marylyn I was so sorry to hear about your Dixie. When I first started on this list I remember you saying how special she was to you. It must have been so awful to lose her! Every time we lose one of our friends it’s like they take a piece of us with them. I just lost my Tucker on May 31 and it still hurts so much. How did you fix the liver? Was it chicken liver or beef liver? I have Pet-Tabs vitamins that I have been mixing in with tuna and feeding him for the last couple of days. They say there is 5.0 mg of iron in each tablet. For the last couple of days it has seemed like Buzz has been just too tired to purr. On the deck tonight I was giving him a Reiki treatment and he started purring and kept it up for a while. He was rubbing his head against my hands like he was really enjoying it. I am going to take that as a good sign. Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New member here
This is a hard one but remember that there is nothing certain in this world and do not obsess over the diagnosis. Concentrate on the wonderful friends you have and enjoy your lives together. Give all the cats the best food you can and give them the supplements that seem right to you. If you have a holistic/alternative vet available, consider checking her out. I had a little over three wonderful years with Dixie. She wasn't sick until a few days before she left this world. I hope you enjoy a lot more years than I had but I would never, ever give up one minute with Dixie Louise...not for anything. The time I had with this wonderful being was worth any price. Listen to the members of this group. They are great. Good luck and all the blessings possible to you and all your little friends. On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:13 PM, Jennifer Lynn wrote: Hi everyone. My name is Jennifer and I live in New Jersey. My one year old male kitty, Ash, was just diagnosed with FeLV yesterday. I also have two other cats, Morrison and Isobel, and they've been living with Ash for a year (I've had him since birth). He's blind in one eye and has developmental problems in his back area, but other than the obvious (his illness), he's a very happy, content, sweet and playful boy! Very talkative as well, especially in the morning! He's all black with tiny white hairs throughout his coat that you need to really look to see. He eats like a pig and right now, seems healthy. He's getting fixed in a month (that's the soonest my vet could get him in) and my other two cats are being tested for FeLV in two weeks and if they test negative (which I really hope is the case), they're getting vaccinated. My oldest, Morrison, was supposedly vaccinated two years ago, but they have no record of it at my vet's office, though they told me he was vaccinated when I took him for his shots two years ago. I am looking forward to chatting with you all and I really wish all the best for you and your kitties! PS - can we share pictures of our cats on here? - Jennifer (and Ash too!) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New member here
On Jul 29, 2008, at 11:59 PM, Marylyn wrote: Dixie came to me as a grown throw away who had been on her own for a long time. She found her way to my Mom's where she hung out with the ferals who came for food, water and shelter. For three years and 12 days she had everything a little cat could want. She became the owner of a farm in rural Ky with a large sunroom, window sills, deer, turkey and windows everywhere; Christmas trees that stayed up for months just because she liked to sleep under them; a large bed with pillows and dolls...everything a little cat could want, even things she didn't know about when she came into my life. She had the best regular and holist medical care available from the day I found out that she was FeLV+ and was so wonderfully healthy that I believed she had beaten it. She remained healthy until a couple of days before she left this world. When she left she was beside me, where she was always the safest, and in a Jeep that had taken her on many great adventures (she loved to travel between the farm and a home in Louisville). I have no regrets at all about having this wonderful little girl in my life. She taught me so much. Now, a month after she left, she has sent me a tiny kitten from the same pine thicket she came from. Apparently she thought this little one, who was alone just as she had been, should have everything too. There are no certainities in life. It sounds like you have a good grasp on the situation. This group has people knowledgeable in supplements that can help strengthen all your cats. Please listen to them and your heart. On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:52 PM, Jennifer Lynn wrote: Thank you for responding. I am going to concentrate on keeping Ash (and my other kitties) as healthy as possible. I've been feeding them better food for months now...Eukenuba Naturals. They really like it and it helps with their urine and feces (they don't smell as much!). I keep their litter box clean at all times and they always have fresh, cold water. I am very observant of them and I try to give them all the love possible. I am just going to deal with this as it comes and treat Ash like a normal cat (like I've been doing his whole life) and keep on giving him all the love I can :) I am sorry to hear about your Dixie :( She's in kitty heaven now and nothing can hurt her :) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz anemia update
Try some liver. I gave it to a wonderful dog who was anemic and it helped. There are some vitamins (Pet Tinic comes to mind) that has iron in it too. Just ideas but sometimes we have to try whatever gives us any hope. Dixie developed anemia very quickly. It was regenerative but the suddenness and severity took her from me before we could get it reversed. She had wonderful care from her regular vets and from her holistic vet. If you have access to a holistic/alternative vet, you might contact her to see what she recommends. Good luck to you both. Remember, though, that the important thing is the love you give and the time you spend with your little friend. On Jul 28, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: Hello everyone - Today I got doxycycline from the vet. It came in 50mg capsules which I have to open up and divide in two. I mix half with water and give it to Buzzy in a syringe. Half a capsule every 12 hours. Tomorrow he goes for some kind of protein test and possibly set him up with a specialist for a transfusion. When I questioned the vet she said his anemia is not the non- regenerative kind. Doesn't that mean there is more hope? He is still eating fairly well. I have cooked him chicken, and I am mixing some vitamins in with tuna. I feed him a little bit as often as I can; he seems to eat more that way. In a little while I will take him out on the deck to sit in my lap for a while. He loves smelling the fresh air. I hope this message goes through to the list, this is my fourth try. Thanks for all the help, more suggestions are still appreciated. Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
Check with Alley Cat Advocates or any TNR group in your area. Consider them a feral colony. They will help you. Live trapping is easy. Just remember to be very careful. A feral bit my finger and broke it.and, two surgeries later, it is doing fine. Luckily I had good insurance. And still had possession of the cat so she could be spayed and quarantined for the appropriate amount of time. If your cats really want to be outside, put up a dog kennel so they can go thru the pet door into the kennel. It is great. With farmland, you probably have fox and coyote. They will kill a cat in a heart beat. My Mom has ferals (people dump them in the strip mall behind her property) and she has to be concerned about the hawks. I just got a very small kitten from the pine thicket. She is in the bedroom now, napping. All of this is to say, be careful with your own cats. I did not realize all the dangers when I moved to the farm. I had hoped to have lots of cared for outside cats. That probably won't happen. Help the ferals you can. Mom has had a couple of dozen spayed/neutered and released. Some stay, some go. It is very hard when they go and all you can do is hope they found a good place to live. ACA has a good website with lots of information re caring for ferals. I am very sorry Trixter left this world. I just lost Dixie Louise. She made my life so much better though. I would not have missed one second of the time we had together. Not a nano second. Good luck. On Jul 24, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Sharon Harden wrote: Hi All, I am new to Felv and just lost my Trixter to this awful Disease. I want to thank all of you for the information I have been reading from you all. I have many ferals around my house because of the 3 fields that surround me. I have talked to the farmer but he is not interested in trying to help me help his cats. I have had to close up my cat door to protect my other 3. I dont know anything about rounding them up and would hate to catch them just to be put to death. Any suggestions. Regards to all, Sharon ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] like seeing a ghost
Or Boo could have sent his son to help you recover from your grief. I, too, believe in signs. This little one is in your life for a reason. On Jul 24, 2008, at 7:18 PM, Sharyl wrote: Lynne, I don't know what to suggest. I believe in signs. Maybe BooBoo has sent his son to you for help. You could call the humane society field worker. Sounds like any home would be better than what he has now. Sharyl --- On Thu, 7/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] like seeing a ghost To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 6:20 PM Most of you know about my experience with BooBoo, the Felv positive who died after owning him for only a month. It was without a doubt the most tragic thing I have ever been through in my life.. Not long after that we got a rescued persian Snowball who was neglected and in foster care for 4 months because she was so ill. She has feline herpes virus, not active and is absolutely thriving now. Tonight my husband calls me out to the front yard, and who is sitting there? BooBoo's son. I don't know if he is Felv positive or not. Just as BooBoo was, he has sores on his head, matted fur, dirty ears and most likely fleas. I feel like I'm experiencing our tragedy all over again. If I knew he was not positive, I would take him inside right now and those despicable people would never see him again. Odd how he has chosen our house to hang around. The owners were warned about taking care of their cats and I know all I have to do is call this field worker at the humane society and he will come and pick him up. I just don't know what to do. I could never subject Snowball to any harm, not after what she went through prior to living with us but I don't want to see this little guy suffer either. If this kitty is Felv positive, perhaps a rescue would take him. I simply could not afford the emotional and financial devestation we experienced watching BooBoo die. I'm totally confused right now. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Any info on FIV cats and non FIV cats
Consider using Feliway (spray, not plug in) in the room you introduce them in and using Rescue Remedy in the water of all involved cats (and maybe yourself) for a couple of days prior. Also consider putting items he sleeps on (towel or maybe a wash cloth you have rubbed him with a lot) with the other cats and visa versa so they get used to each others smells. Good luck. This is a wonderful thing to do and he will be a wonderful cat for you. Cats who have been on the streets and chose to live with you are the greatest little friends you can have. On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:50 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: I think, too, you want to wait a bit before introducing him to the other cats. Keep him in his own room for a couple weeks. And supervise the first meetings…. Laurie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any info on FIV cats and non FIV cats April, be sure he has been neutered and then you shouldn't have any major problems. There is a Yahoo feral cat group that has some great files on taming strays and introducing them to your home. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feral_cats/ Sharyl --- On Tue, 7/22/08, April and Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: April and Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] Any info on FIV cats and non FIV cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 9:01 PM I am thinking of bring in a sweet sray we've been caring for into our home. He is FIV Positive and non of my cats are. From what I have been reading it only seems to be past on by a deep bite wound. Does anyone have a FIV cat with non FIV cats? He has been very healthy. How long a life do they usely have? Thanks ahead of time! Apri PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Re: [feline-hyperT] OT Cat Litter
The blue crystals mixed with it contain an anti-bacterial substance that is a poison. I was doing some correspondence trying to get the place crystals (without the disinfectant) which are great. One company (can't remember which) almost acknowledged the problem saying they didn't cause problems in most cats. I don't get anything with the blue--not the clay or the self absorbing whatever. On Jul 21, 2008, at 12:21 AM, catatonya wrote: Could someone remind me what's wrong with the silica gel type litter??? tia t M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:39:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [feline-hyperT] OT Cat Litter Thanks, Tonya. I would appreciate knowing why it is poisonous. Thanks, Missy - Original Message - From: catatonya To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [feline-hyperT] OT Cat Litter I don't recall the exact reason, but have always been told that the silicone crystals are poisonous to cats on my leukemia list. I can check if you'd like. tonya M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am considering using the cat litter crystals. Is there any reason to not use this? Right now I am using the clumping litter but I now have an enclosed litter box and I am afraid the dust might be bad for Teddy. What do you recommend? Thanks, Missy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (8)Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar The opinions expressed are the author's own and should not be taken as a substitute for professional veterinary advice. MARKETPLACE Special offer for Yahoo! Groups from Blockbuster! Get a free 1-month trial with no late fees or due dates. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe RECENT ACTIVITY 14 New Members Visit Your Group New web site? Drive traffic now. Get your business on Yahoo! search. Biz Resources Y! Small Business Articles, tools, forms, and more. Yahoo! Groups Latest product news Join Mod. Central stay connected. . __,_._,___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
Time for another vet. On Jul 20, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Debbie Harrison wrote: Ok, to answer you then...she specializes in well animals!! LOL...she hates doing any surgeries, and probably should never have become a vet (my personal opinion). Debbie (COL) You gotta bloom where you're planted! Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:24:07 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem lol. i meant does he specialize in cats or is he more of a 'dog' person Debbie Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The wrong kind, obviously!!! Debbie (COL) You gotta bloom where you're planted! Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:15:13 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem yes, hyper thyroid is very common with cats. what kind of vet do you go to Debbie Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question...is hyper-t hyper thyroid??? It is what I suspected with my Baby Ruben...but the vet says cats don't get thatI tried to argue the point, but she wouldn't listen... Debbie (COL) You gotta bloom where you're planted! Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:26:08 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! Try it! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Get news, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Check it out!___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Discover the new Windows Vista Learn more! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
If you can crate him and cover his crate with a sheet sprayed with Feliway it might helpmaybe put Rescue Rememdy in his water. On Jul 19, 2008, at 10:26 AM, catatonya wrote: My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Admin: New website design
Is there a mailing address for those of us who don't do credit cards? On Jul 17, 2008, at 4:54 PM, James G Wilson wrote: On 17 Jul 2008 at 16:18, Gloria Lane wrote: It does load up faster, James - is that because of the new server or hosting co, or what? It's a combination of the new host service and the new design. I'm still in shock that folks hadn't told me earlier that the old design was so bad... At least it's fixed now, and the links and info are updated. Again, if anyone has more information and/or comments about the site, please let me know. Best wishes to all. James G. Wilson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.myspace.com/wilsonjamesg (My Space Page) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - feline Luk positive
Thanks. She had the best of everything and was very happy and loved. I miss her so much. Right now I am looking at a little 4 week old (?) copper kitten that came from the same pine thicket Dixie came from. After a day of talking, assuring and reassuring her, she allowed me to snatch her up and bring her to the farm. Before you think me awful for taking one so young you need to know there are 5 hawks in the thicket and she would not have survived very long. I think her mother knew that and sent her meowing toward my mother's home. She will be loved and cared for all of her days. This little one was born about the time Dixie was leaving and is a favorite color of Dixie's. This makes things easier. On Jul 15, 2008, at 8:11 AM, Jane Lyons wrote: Marylyn I've been off this list since the server problem. I am so shocked and saddened to hear about Dixie. I know how much you loved her and can imagine how difficult it must be without her. She is so lucky to have felt safe and loved. I am so sorry. Jane On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Marylyn wrote: The first and really only thing I can tell you is to enjoy every minute you have with your wonderful friend while being alert for any infections/problems. Do not get hung up on the FeLV thing. Learn about it but do not let it ruin the time you have with your friend. That time may be long or short, as it may be with any of us. Dixie Louise Doodle Katt, JP enjoyed and I treasure three years with me. She had everything a little cat could want with the possible exception of mice to hunt. She had the best regular and holistic care from the day we found out she was FeLV+. She left this world suddenly after an infection that left her anemic. She was fine one day then two days later we were making a Code Three run to her vets 21/2 hours away. She left this world the next night, riding in the Jeep that took her on many adventures and with me by her side. I am sure she felt safe and loved. I would not trade one second with this wonderful little grey cat for all the pain I have felt since she left. Treasure your time. Give your friend the best you can and create a wonderful life for him and wonderful memories for yourself. Others on this list can make recommendations for care. Dixie had both regular and holistic care. Luckily I could/would afford this for her even if other things had to go. And, just as luckily, she loved to travel so getting her this care was very possible. There are a lot of supplements available. Listen to those on this list. Feed him the best possible diet.I really liked Primal Raw and no grain foods. Try to reduce the stress in your friend's life. Dixie had to tolerate living in a home that was being constructed and reconstructed but seemed to adapt wonderfully. Love your little friend with all your heart and let him love you with his. Good luck and blessings to you. On Jul 14, 2008, at 8:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last summer my son brought home a kitten who was between 2 1/2 and 3 weeks old. He found him beside his dead sibling. He was actually in good health. We bought some kitten formula and he drank like a horse. We worked on getting him use to people so that he could eventually get him into a rescue. My daughter who was living with me at the time took her cat in for his regular shots, and took kiwi with her so she could be looked at. I guess kiwi was about 3 months old then. We were very shocked when kiwi came back positive for feline luk. The doctors asked without saying the words if we wanted to put him asleep. We said no. At that point she was and kind of still is a very healthy happy one year old who loves to wrestle with our cocker and would love to play with my daughter's Japanese Bob Tail Cat, but unfortunately we have to keep them separate. The Japanese Bob Tail Cat has been immunized against Feline Luk, but we have also heard that the shot does not offer 100% protection. It's sad because they use to love to play together. We were hoping that in a few months kiwi would come back negative, but he came back positive for the second test. He still is very active, but he has been having trouble with loose bowels. He is also a bit on the thin side. I don't have the money to take him to the vets and we have tried to find him a rescue and or foster home, but right now it doesn't seem like any are available. One thing positive is that we were able to find an organization to neuter him. Now he doesn't spray. Thank God! He is funny sometimes. Some times he gets one of his claws caught in things like curtains, and cat toys. He was trying to catch a fly one day by our back patio window and his nail got caught in the curtain and he couldn't get free. He was scared and somehow got himself wrapped in the curtain. He was so grateful when I freed him. His favorite toy is a 3 inch round
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - feline Luk positive
The first and really only thing I can tell you is to enjoy every minute you have with your wonderful friend while being alert for any infections/problems. Do not get hung up on the FeLV thing. Learn about it but do not let it ruin the time you have with your friend. That time may be long or short, as it may be with any of us. Dixie Louise Doodle Katt, JP enjoyed and I treasure three years with me. She had everything a little cat could want with the possible exception of mice to hunt. She had the best regular and holistic care from the day we found out she was FeLV+. She left this world suddenly after an infection that left her anemic. She was fine one day then two days later we were making a Code Three run to her vets 21/2 hours away. She left this world the next night, riding in the Jeep that took her on many adventures and with me by her side. I am sure she felt safe and loved. I would not trade one second with this wonderful little grey cat for all the pain I have felt since she left. Treasure your time. Give your friend the best you can and create a wonderful life for him and wonderful memories for yourself. Others on this list can make recommendations for care. Dixie had both regular and holistic care. Luckily I could/would afford this for her even if other things had to go. And, just as luckily, she loved to travel so getting her this care was very possible. There are a lot of supplements available. Listen to those on this list. Feed him the best possible diet.I really liked Primal Raw and no grain foods. Try to reduce the stress in your friend's life. Dixie had to tolerate living in a home that was being constructed and reconstructed but seemed to adapt wonderfully. Love your little friend with all your heart and let him love you with his. Good luck and blessings to you. On Jul 14, 2008, at 8:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last summer my son brought home a kitten who was between 2 1/2 and 3 weeks old. He found him beside his dead sibling. He was actually in good health. We bought some kitten formula and he drank like a horse. We worked on getting him use to people so that he could eventually get him into a rescue. My daughter who was living with me at the time took her cat in for his regular shots, and took kiwi with her so she could be looked at. I guess kiwi was about 3 months old then. We were very shocked when kiwi came back positive for feline luk. The doctors asked without saying the words if we wanted to put him asleep. We said no. At that point she was and kind of still is a very healthy happy one year old who loves to wrestle with our cocker and would love to play with my daughter's Japanese Bob Tail Cat, but unfortunately we have to keep them separate. The Japanese Bob Tail Cat has been immunized against Feline Luk, but we have also heard that the shot does not offer 100% protection. It's sad because they use to love to play together. We were hoping that in a few months kiwi would come back negative, but he came back positive for the second test. He still is very active, but he has been having trouble with loose bowels. He is also a bit on the thin side. I don't have the money to take him to the vets and we have tried to find him a rescue and or foster home, but right now it doesn't seem like any are available. One thing positive is that we were able to find an organization to neuter him. Now he doesn't spray. Thank God! He is funny sometimes. Some times he gets one of his claws caught in things like curtains, and cat toys. He was trying to catch a fly one day by our back patio window and his nail got caught in the curtain and he couldn't get free. He was scared and somehow got himself wrapped in the curtain. He was so grateful when I freed him. His favorite toy is a 3 inch round black rubber spider. He loves carrying it around in the house. I don't let him play with it unless someone is here with him because I worry about him swallowing it and it getting stuck in his intestines causing a blockage. He also loves laser pointers. She loves chasing the dot on the floor or wall. He loves the little jingle cat balls, or strings. One thing I don't understand is that she enjoys licking our cocker spaniels face. He is such a funny cat. Besides that he loves to check everything out. He is the curious little cat. I would enclose a picture of him but I am new to this site and I don't know if that is allowed. Well, enough for now. I would appreciate advise from anyone on raising a feline luk positive cat. Thanks! Robin Pine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing
Re: Smokey update
Ebony was an adult feral when he moved in with me. I bought a 6x6x12 chain link dog kennel, put a top (very securely) on it and attached it to the house by way of a bathroom window. He went thru a dog/cat door into duct work then onto a landing and into the kennel. He loved it all his days, had free access except when I blocked the door for some reason (really bad weather etc), and was safe. Good luck. I am glad Smokey rebounded. The emergency vets I know do treat FeLV+ cats. On Jul 7, 2008, at 9:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, I had a real scare with Smokey over the weekend. I thought I was loosing him and I didn't even know if an emergency vet would treat him because of his disease. Do they?The good news is that I didn't need to find out, he's snapped out of it. I've been treating him for an upper respiratory problem and an eye infection. He also has ulcers on his mouth, poor boy! The little cat is a wreck, but he appears to have turned the corner. As of today, his mouth is healing, his eye isn't running and his breathing is normal. I do not want to get my hopes up too much, but I sure do want the little boy to stay with me. I can't believe how many tears I have shed for a little guy I've known less then two weeks. He's just so sweet. Is it normal for them to snap back so quickly? Is this a good sign that he might live a while? My vet says that he could live a few years and has even emailed me outdoor enclosures to look at. He was a stray and longs to be outside, so it would be nice for him to go outside once in a while. I really appreciate this site. It's wonderful to hear from people who know about this and also who understand. As with my horse, (he's a rescue, too) most of my friends think I am nuts for taking on this little cat. Thank you for listening, Kathryn -Original Message- From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 7:33 am Subject: Re: Welcome, Kathryn I didn't get your original email Kathryn. Welcome to ghe group. Is your cat showing any symptoms? How old is he? tonya Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've come to a great place for information and support. Others have much more experience with these babies, but I can tell you that diet and stress control are paramount. If you can give your new guy (what's his name?) the best food possible and keep him as happy as possible, that's a great first step. You can also supplement his diet with L-lysine (from natural food stores, without the additives found in the kind you find in most drugstores, which is toxic to cats). Make sure your vet is knowledgeable on FeLV -- if he/she didn't immediately suggest euthanasia, that's a good sign. If he/ she isn't, look around for one who is. Some people here like holistic vets, if there are some in your area, in addition to their regular vet. There's no way to know how long any of them will last. Some people here have kitties who have lived long and well with FeLV, and then there are some (like my Patches, who came to me as a stray, too, who only stayed with me six weeks.) What's important is to enjoy him every minute he's with you, fight the good fight together, but know when it's time to let go. Not easy, but doable. Good luck with your guy. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 9:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( I am very sorry to hear of the passing of Melina. I am new to this site and really know nothing of this terrible disease. I have recently (just bringing him home from the vets today) adopted the sweetest little boy who sadly has this virus. He showed up a few days ago as a stray. My husband and I fell in love with him and took him to the vet for shots, etc. Sadly, we were informed that he has tested positive. I really do not know what this means. Any information will be greatly appreciated. I especially would like to know what I can do to keep him well for as long as possible. The vet suggests Vitamin C. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Kathryn -Original Message- From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 8:20 pm Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( I'm so saddened Sherry that Melina couldn't rally yet another time. My heart honestly aches everytime I hear of another passing. It sometimes makes one wonder just how much a body can endure. But I guess the courage and trusting nature of these dear creatures makes it possible to go on. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:44 PM Subject: Melina Please add to the CLS :( First of all I want to thank all of you for your prayers and good thoughts
Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :(
Blessings to you and peace to both you and Melina. On Jul 3, 2008, at 9:44 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: First of all I want to thank all of you for your prayers and good thoughts for this beautiful baby.The aweful disease was way too much for her this time.She was a VERY spunky little girl.My heart aches without her in my life.I need to keep telling myself that I gave her so much love that she was happy until the end.I will miss her little loving head butts and rubbing her sweet face on mine.Ok now the tears are coming out. :( Once again thank you all so much for having to listen to all my sadness.But I also get ALOT of goodness out of these creatures. Sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Prayers needed AGAIN
Blessings to her and to those who love her. This is the most awful disease. It robs us of the sweetest and most innocent. On Jul 2, 2008, at 7:04 PM, Lynne wrote: Prayers going up for Melina Sherry. Too many broken hearts this week. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 4:56 PM Subject: Prayers needed AGAIN Please can we get ALL the prayers and good thoughts for beautiful sweet Melina.Dr.Jen took her home with her to try and get her feeling better.She thinks that she may becoming septic.So she has started her on Doxy and Prednisone and will do a work up on her tomorrow.Please pray for this baby girl that won my heart the moment I saw her.I know in the long run the aweful felv will win. :( But maybe she can win just this one more time. THank you all so much Sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS!
Good idea. You would not forgive yourself if something happened and you didn't. If you have a holistic/alternative vet in the area you might consult them. If not, and if you would like, I have the website of one who will do telelphone consults. Carolyn has used her too. On Jun 23, 2008, at 6:59 AM, Lynne wrote: Thank you so much Gloria. I am going to print the article below and take it to our vet. I've decided to have her checked out thoroughly by our vet before having the spay. I realize the importance of having the surgery. I'm a huge advocate of sterilizing and feel a bit of a hipocrit for not getting this done, but I also will not risk her life if there is the slightest chance of something happening to her. She is healthy, or so she was given a clean bill of health when we got her, but still I want her examined first by our vet. Lynne - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:16 AM Subject: Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS! Just want to repeat this, folks - BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT SPAYING PERSIANS! Small airways, more risk of death. As I understand this is a Persian! Check with the vet first - and check the vet out - make sure they've spayed Persians before, know what they're doing, will intubate, etc. Don't let just any vet spay a Persian. I lost a kitty this way. See the article below. Gloria -- - On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in good shape before any surgery. And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs don't know that. I've had that happen. Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: == http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though. == Hope this is helpful. Gloria On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory
Re: spaying
If you do, consider having a vet who uses laser or its equivalent do it. There is supposed to be less bleeding and less stress. I am not saying spay or not, but check this out. On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: spaying
One caution: consider refusing all vaccinations and other stressors near the time she is spayed. Having everything done at once is convenient for us and for the cat but, if there are problems, can overwhelm the little one. If you have a homeopathic vet around you might consider seeing what could reduce the shock of surgery too. On Jun 22, 2008, at 5:17 AM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: Good for Snowy! “Putting a job on him” when he called her a bad kitty. Personally, I am always pro spay/neuter and it would take a very unusual circumstance for me not to have an animal of mine fixed. They end up with so much less stress when they are altered. Sue From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: spaying If you do, consider having a vet who uses laser or its equivalent do it. There is supposed to be less bleeding and less stress. I am not saying spay or not, but check this out. On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: spaying
One more thought: consider starting her on colostrum and leaving her on it for a good period after her recovery. It has wonderful abilities to aid in repair and recovery. On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in good shape before any surgery. And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs don't know that. I've had that happen. Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: == http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though. == Hope this is helpful. Gloria On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible
Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac
Has she tried Feliway? And checked him beyond reason for UTI infections? On Jun 20, 2008, at 4:40 PM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Dear all Has anyone ever used a kitty Prozac such as fluoxetine? One of my co-workers whose cat has always been a sprayer--and she's had him for YEARS, kudos to her---was thrilled when 1/2 tab fluoxetine daily fixed the behavior almost immediately. Unfortunately he began foaming at the mouth at the same time, so she stopped using it after a few days. Does anyone have any experience in using an alternative prozac that worked for spraying without causing foaming or other adverse side-effects. She says she's going to the vet to ask about a different one after she returns from vacation, and I thought I'd try picking your brains before she went. I think it's wonderful that-- unlike so many people--she's committed to her cat despite his spraying. I have a sprayer too, but he's feral, so there's nothing I can use (he's not into any sort of treat on a regular basis, and he turned his nose up at Pillpockets) apart from a dividing line between him and the cause of his behavior, my other cats. He has his own loyal buddy, a female, Momcat, so he's pretty content on the whole, I think. Anyway, thanks for any other prozac ideas! Kerry _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Gustav Please add to CLS :(
I am so sorry. On Jun 17, 2008, at 8:41 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: I am broken hearted once again.We lost this awesome guy today.He had S much personality that you could not help but to love him.I will miss my silly GOOF GOOF. :( Sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Humphrey Please add to the CLS :(
I am so sorry he had to leave but so grateful he knew such love. On Jun 10, 2008, at 9:42 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: I am saddened to say that we lost yet another sweet Sids kid.Humphrey was a trooper through it all,feeding tube,meds everything Dr. Jen could do to make him better.He lived with her at the clinic during the week and on the weekends someone from the clinic would take him home.We had him at the sanctuary on and off and just this past weekend he was with us.He was a big beautiful gray boy with a sweet soft meow. Sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Little Man
Blessings to Little Man and all who care for him. He is a very lucky cat and he knows it. He is so loved. On Jun 6, 2008, at 9:38 PM, KATHY JARVIS wrote: Definitely Sherry, you are very blessed to have Little Man that long. I lost my little Peanut after only one year and I miss him so much. Kathy Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely Sherry. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:11 PM Subject: Little Man PLEASE!! can you all add Little Man to you thoughts and prayers? He is Dr Jens felv boy who is 8 years old and having a rough time right now.She had to put a feeding tube in Saturday but he is not responding very well.Yet he is happy and purring.He is also temporary Sids kid on and off and is the sweetest gray boy.THank you all sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Hi again :)
Dixie has been with me three years now and is perfectly healthy. She was a show-up (thrown away) at my Mom's for several months before that and was probably 2-3 years old when she showed up there (best guess but full grown and spayed). There are no guarantees in life. I knew that when I agreed to bring Dixie inside. I haven't regretted one second of it. She is marvelous, wonderfully intelligent, loving, and beautiful. On Jun 4, 2008, at 9:15 PM, Laura Mostello wrote: I have had Duncan for a year now and he is fat, active and symptom- free. Now Celery and Baby Girl have joined him. They are all healthy and love each other's company. A vet tech said to me recently, Enjoy your FeLV + cats while you have them, because they'll probably be dead within a couple of years. Nice. I've been upset about her comment since then, but with luck she'll be proven wrong. --- On Wed, 6/4/08, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hi again :) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 6:26 PM current wisdom is that positive cats can remain asymptomatic for years, until the virus is triggered. no one really knows, however, what it is that activates it. culprits high on the list are serious illnesses, but i know that at the sanctuary, we had positive who got very sick, were treated (often surgically) and recovered quite fine to go on for a number of years. stress is another thing suspected of awakening the virus, but how do you define that? the best we can do is the best we can do: give them as calm and safe and loving an environment as possible, feed them the best food that your own research tells you to (that varies because everyone has their own opinion, and last year before the pet-food recall, some people were accused of murdering their cats because they didn't feed them things that others thought they should--things that turned out, in some cases, to ACTUALLY kill, while the other foods did not); be extra vigilant about any health concerns or behavior changes, and have them attended to right away--and did i mention love them as long as you have them, because no matter how long that is, it won't ever be long enough. there are no guarantees for any of us--the healthiest cat or dog or human can drop dead tomorrow--to worry about it all the time accomplishes nothing, and probably creates a level of stress that the cats can pick up. there have been FeLVs in my life who have only had five months to share with me, and other whom i've known for years--it's the quality that matters. (and take lots of pictures--i get incredible joy from looking at the photos of the silly little furcritters that aren't wandering this earth anymore--and i just grin when i see their faces looking out at me, and remember how they graced my life.) MC On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YES. Squeaky tested positive at age 13 and lived to age 22, symptom free except for his final 3 weeks. Laurie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sue Koren Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Hi again :) Does anyone know if a positive cat who stays positive but not sick for a certain length of time, if the chances are that they will not become sick? Or could the sickness just come on them at any time regardless of how long they have harbored the virus and remained healthy? (I hope that made some kind of sense) Sue MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = yes, cats can retest negative on IFAs if enough time has passed so that the virus can work itself out of the system. just as with initial exposure, the time period given varies from 60 to 120 days, depending on who/what you read--i go for the 120 days or longer, so i don't always wonder.. tho it's not mentioned in the current on-line merck manual, and i never thought to keep the reference back when i first read it in 2003 or so, it used to refer to a case where it took a cat seven or nine (my memory is going) for a cat to revert to negative on an IFA. generally, however, if 120 days or so has passed since last possible exposure, i figure they're not gonna seroconvert--but until/if the virus gets activated, they're just positive, not sick. my little pastel calico, lorelei, who came to me last summer solstice, just retested positive on the IFA when she was spayed, so i'd say that it's pretty definite that she's gonna stay positive. but it didn't really matter, because it wasn't going to change anything one way or another, so there was no rush here to retest and for those who don't know, all my others are either vaccinated, or were inadvertently exposed almost eight years ago, so she's no threat to anything other than my
Re: Hi again :)
If you have ocassion to see the vet tech again, you might mention that life has no guarantees and that we need to enjoy every second with those we love..they may drop dead of a heart attach, cancer, accidents, be struck by lightening (yes, I know several people who have lost both 2-legged and 4-legged friends this way) etc. Perhaps she will rethink either her beliefs or her hurtful wording. On Jun 4, 2008, at 9:15 PM, Laura Mostello wrote: I have had Duncan for a year now and he is fat, active and symptom- free. Now Celery and Baby Girl have joined him. They are all healthy and love each other's company. A vet tech said to me recently, Enjoy your FeLV + cats while you have them, because they'll probably be dead within a couple of years. Nice. I've been upset about her comment since then, but with luck she'll be proven wrong. --- On Wed, 6/4/08, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hi again :) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 6:26 PM current wisdom is that positive cats can remain asymptomatic for years, until the virus is triggered. no one really knows, however, what it is that activates it. culprits high on the list are serious illnesses, but i know that at the sanctuary, we had positive who got very sick, were treated (often surgically) and recovered quite fine to go on for a number of years. stress is another thing suspected of awakening the virus, but how do you define that? the best we can do is the best we can do: give them as calm and safe and loving an environment as possible, feed them the best food that your own research tells you to (that varies because everyone has their own opinion, and last year before the pet-food recall, some people were accused of murdering their cats because they didn't feed them things that others thought they should--things that turned out, in some cases, to ACTUALLY kill, while the other foods did not); be extra vigilant about any health concerns or behavior changes, and have them attended to right away--and did i mention love them as long as you have them, because no matter how long that is, it won't ever be long enough. there are no guarantees for any of us--the healthiest cat or dog or human can drop dead tomorrow--to worry about it all the time accomplishes nothing, and probably creates a level of stress that the cats can pick up. there have been FeLVs in my life who have only had five months to share with me, and other whom i've known for years--it's the quality that matters. (and take lots of pictures--i get incredible joy from looking at the photos of the silly little furcritters that aren't wandering this earth anymore--and i just grin when i see their faces looking out at me, and remember how they graced my life.) MC On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YES. Squeaky tested positive at age 13 and lived to age 22, symptom free except for his final 3 weeks. Laurie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sue Koren Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Hi again :) Does anyone know if a positive cat who stays positive but not sick for a certain length of time, if the chances are that they will not become sick? Or could the sickness just come on them at any time regardless of how long they have harbored the virus and remained healthy? (I hope that made some kind of sense) Sue MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = yes, cats can retest negative on IFAs if enough time has passed so that the virus can work itself out of the system. just as with initial exposure, the time period given varies from 60 to 120 days, depending on who/what you read--i go for the 120 days or longer, so i don't always wonder.. tho it's not mentioned in the current on-line merck manual, and i never thought to keep the reference back when i first read it in 2003 or so, it used to refer to a case where it took a cat seven or nine (my memory is going) for a cat to revert to negative on an IFA. generally, however, if 120 days or so has passed since last possible exposure, i figure they're not gonna seroconvert--but until/if the virus gets activated, they're just positive, not sick. my little pastel calico, lorelei, who came to me last summer solstice, just retested positive on the IFA when she was spayed, so i'd say that it's pretty definite that she's gonna stay positive. but it didn't really matter, because it wasn't going to change anything one way or another, so there was no rush here to retest and for those who don't know, all my others are either vaccinated, or were inadvertently exposed almost eight years ago, so she's no threat to anything other than my peace of mind--calico, after
Re: Looking for a home for a Felv+ foster
Check with Dr. Maier and see if she knows someone. On Jun 3, 2008, at 2:27 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Hi everyone. I am looking for a home for a foster of mine. He's a 1 year old black and brown DSH named Manny and he's the sweetest, friendliest boy ever! I just love him. But since I foster other cats who are all Felv negative, it's not the best situation for him. I have only a downstairs room for him and it doesn't have a real door on it- it's more like a closet door that slides open. Until we can get a real door put on (which is not going to be cheap), we have to keep him in the condo in the room for most of the day because he can bust out of the room. He loves other cats, so he will try to play with my felv neg. fosters when he busts out, so I have to make sure that doesn't happen. He would love to be in a home with another felv+ cat because he loves other cats and he needs a buddy. He loves his people too and he wants nothing more than to follow me around and do chores all over the house, but he can't. We just had him tested a second time (snap test) Sat. and he was positive again. Sigh. If anyone is interested or knows anyone who might be interested, please let me know. I've had him a couple of months now and have taken very good care of him. He's put on weight and he is very muscular and strong. He's doing so well. I just really want him to have a chance at a real life. thanks caroline k. Now you can invite friends from Facebook and other groups to join you on Windows Live™ Messenger. Add them now! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Looking for a home for a Felv+ foster
Check with Dr. Maier and see if she knows someone. On Jun 3, 2008, at 2:27 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Hi everyone. I am looking for a home for a foster of mine. He's a 1 year old black and brown DSH named Manny and he's the sweetest, friendliest boy ever! I just love him. But since I foster other cats who are all Felv negative, it's not the best situation for him. I have only a downstairs room for him and it doesn't have a real door on it- it's more like a closet door that slides open. Until we can get a real door put on (which is not going to be cheap), we have to keep him in the condo in the room for most of the day because he can bust out of the room. He loves other cats, so he will try to play with my felv neg. fosters when he busts out, so I have to make sure that doesn't happen. He would love to be in a home with another felv+ cat because he loves other cats and he needs a buddy. He loves his people too and he wants nothing more than to follow me around and do chores all over the house, but he can't. We just had him tested a second time (snap test) Sat. and he was positive again. Sigh. If anyone is interested or knows anyone who might be interested, please let me know. I've had him a couple of months now and have taken very good care of him. He's put on weight and he is very muscular and strong. He's doing so well. I just really want him to have a chance at a real life. thanks caroline k. Now you can invite friends from Facebook and other groups to join you on Windows Live™ Messenger. Add them now! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Please add Tucker to CLS
I am so sorry. It is awful when they leave.there is such a hole in the heart. On May 31, 2008, at 7:53 PM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: This morning I had to have Tucker PTS. He was not FeLV+ but he had Stomatitis and all his teeth were removed last Nov. My vet though what was happening to him had something to do with the immune problems associated with that. He said the root of the problem was in the bone marrow. I asked them to take some marrow after he was gone so I will know more about what happened. I only hope that Tuckers sickness had nothing to do with letting my FeLV + out with the other cats. Even though I had them all vaccinated, that fear is there. The vet tried all he could think of but this morning his problems were so serious that the vet said anything they could try would have very little chance of working and also be painful to him. Tucker always slept right next to me, curled up on my neck if I sat on the couch, and I have a cat bed here on the desk next to the computer where he would keep me company. He was a large long haired grey tabby. We called him the great fluffy hunter of dirty socks because he would drag them and present them to you like it was a major catch. He was such a loveable boy and will be so very missed. Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Kissinger and Zin Please add to the CLS :( :(
I am so sorry. It is sad when they leave. On May 29, 2008, at 8:38 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: I found out tonight sweet beautiful Zin lost his battle.He was adopted by one of the volunteers and she told me tonight he left us.He was a flame point beautiful boy. Also we lost sweet Kissinger he had such a gentle way about him. This has been a sad week for us at Sids. Sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Hobbs, more info--Liver
Why can't she do the fluids? I did them for Ebony and there was no real problem. Not fun but doable. She may have very good reasons but have her check it out with the vet. Mine showed me exactly what to do and it works. On Apr 29, 2008, at 1:41 PM, Heather Wienker wrote: Hi everyone, I thank you all so much for your caring insightful replies! It appears the problem is Hobbs' liver, his bilirubin is very high. They are suggesting a regimen of meds including Denocil, baytril, amox., Cartinine Arginine, and fluids. BW suggested an infection which may be the reason for the antibiotics. They also suggested doing X-ray/ultrasound/fine needle aspirate cytology for the liver. I asked if we can start the meds and see how he responds. If anyone has comments on this it is appreciated. My rescue vet bills were $1,100 last week and I hate considering money, but the vet did say we could proceed that way...I also thought sedating for the aspirate might not be good if he's so weak? What we are trying to figure out now is if it's best to hospitalize him for 3 days for fluids as suggested, or, for my friend to take him home where she can watch over him more during the night (my vet's does not have staff there overnight). She can't do fluids so would have to bring him back each day for fluids if so. I think that would be stressful, but it might be best for him to be at homeespecially if he took a turn for the worse, I don't think she'd like his last moments to be in the hospital if possible. I am always boarding cats so they can get proper care but in this case am not sure which is best, kind of a toss up. Karen, if you have suggestions now that we know that the liver seems to be the issue, it's appreciated or I can give you a call. A good rescue friend suggested SamE, but I think the Denocil is like an RX version that might have some further benefits if I'm understanding correctly. Thank you allI haven't been active in the group but always scan the messages and pray for all of our kitties. Blessings to you all--and especially to your furry ones, Heather
