for
your description as a fusion process since that remains
controversial would just call it an as yet undetermined process.
[snip] , which allows the diffusion rate to drop enough to starve
the fusion process of reactant and cool[/snip].
Fran
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From: Edmund Storms
formed.
Fractional hydrogen or hydrinos or relativistic hydrogen or super
catalytic action are all names for this same effect.
Fran
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From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:05 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re
will be awaiting your theories.
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Thanks Fran. It's nice to get an occasional agreement :-) However,
how do you propose to make helium and tritium from D and H by a
process other than fusion? Of course, the process is not like hot
in which fusion takes place. His work made the
obvious visible. The problem I'm trying to avoid is wild speculation
having no relationship to what is reported or to real science.
Ed Storms
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l
, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Please people, stay in the real world. The description Alex gives
has no relationship to what has been described in the paper or to
what is possible. We have no way of knowing the melting point of
that material claim to melt. We have no way
burned. Enough extra heat generated to melt the ceramic.
The chemical energy for this short event would be plenty, no need to
have NAEs still operable in liquid state!
Ol' Bab, who was as engineer...
On 5/24/2013 2:38 PM, Edmund Storms wrote:
Please people, stay in the real world
in liquid state!
Ol' Bab, who was as engineer...
On 5/24/2013 2:38 PM, Edmund Storms wrote:
Please people, stay in the real world. The description Alex gives
has no relationship to what has been described in the paper or to
what is possible. We have no way of knowing the melting point
, but it will also enable the gradual
dissipation of fusion
energy you have postulated.
Harry
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Harry, calculations are useless in this case because the mechanism
is unknown to which the calculations can be applied. We
A great deal of discussion has been generated by the Rossi test. I
would liker to add my contribution.
Rossi has demonstrated two very important behaviors of the effect.
First, the effect can be initiated and sustained for a significant
time at temperatures above 800° C. This means the NAE
:
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Regardless of which theory a person wishes to apply, this
description must be acknowledged because it is based on engineering
principles, not on a theory of LENR.
I agree, but perhaps this description only applies to Ni-H, not Pd-
D. Could
as well? It seems to me a good theory
should be able to explain both transmutations and energy production
even if the nuclei involved differ in each case.
Harry
.
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Yes, Harry this is one of the several reasons why
Excellent analysis, Jones. You have nailed the essential reason why
this is not a scam. Jed has done the same. Instead, Rossi is doing
what other people do all the time in all aspects of science and
commerce, but he is doing it under a microscope. Most similar efforts
are just as filled
, May 22, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
No Harry, the Coulomb barrier is the same in Hot and Cold fusion.
The difference is that it is overcome very rapidly during hot fusion
and very slowly during cold fusion. That is the only difference
between the two
.
Peter
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
No matter what is said, Yugo and others will distort the comments to
agree with their belief. If we accept Rossi, we are stupid and
deceived. If we criticize Rossi, this is used to show that Rossi is
wrong
Good point, Bob. Simple arguments can show that the amount of energy
claimed by Rossi can not result from the Ni+p=Cu reaction regardless
of the isotope. Ironically, people will accept Rossi's claim that
transmutation is the source of energy while questioning whether he
makes any energy
Jones, there is no ash because no one has looked for deuterium.
Everyone who might find enough deuterium to detect is focused on
transmutation. If they now find deuterium, their favorite explanation
will go up in smoke and the patents that claim to need nickel will be
useless. I'm trying
Yes, Harry this is one of the several reasons why transmutation cannot
be the source of energy. Four more remain.
Ed Storms
On May 21, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
In an environment populated with Ni nuclei and H nuclei, the
spontaneous fusion of a H nucleus with another H nucleus
Vortex will not accept an attachment so you will have to find the
paper elsewhere.
J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 11 (2013) 1–15
Research Article
Nature of Energetic Radiation Emitted from a Metal Exposed to H2
Edmund Storms∗ and Brian Scanlan
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From: Edmund Storms
Robin, you are making an assumption here. You are assuming that no
energy has been lost before the neutrino is emitted and the electron
is absorbed. Suppose, as I have proposed, the energy is lost as a
series of photons before the electron is added so that no energy
remains to be carried
Fran, I combined your two responses.
As I understand, an attraction is measured between two materials,
which is sensitive to the kind of material and the distance between
them. That is the only observation on which this complex theory is
based. Chemical attraction is known to occur, but
Begin forwarded message:
From: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
Date: May 20, 2013 9:11:57 AM MDT
To: c...@googlegroups.com
Cc: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: CMNS: Rossi's 3rd party test released:
Before we get too excited. I think two questions need to be answered.
1
Before we get too excited. I think two questions need to be answered.
1. When was the calibration done and under what conditions. The
amount of heat being radiated depends on the value of the effective
total emissivity of the surface. This value will change with time and
temperature.
and what's
their nature, they are
not cracks. And this is fine because cracking is essentialy
unmanageable
This Report is far from perfect but its conclusions are certain:
lots of excess heat.
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Begin forwarded
standardize and
optimize what is happening in those palladium cracks. But when the
answer is presented to you, you cannot appreciate it.
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
On May 17, 2013, at 1:39 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
LENR requires
drag in a superfluid moving at any speed.
-Mark Iverson
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From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 11:56 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)
Thanks Mark, this is making more sense
Mark, I agree that we do not know all we think we know and many rules
can be violated when conditions change. Nevertheless, we do have a
collection of observations that show how Nature behaves. Some of these
behaviors have been described in ways we call laws because the
descriptions always
which
*potentially* place it outside the realm/range established from
historical empirical results. As has been mentioned numerous times
by LENR researchers, the rules of plasma physics may not apply in
the condensed matter world that is LENR.
-Mark
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor
On May 19, 2013, at 11:55 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:
To which Ed answered, mainly expressing what his view is inside this
void:
“The answer depends on which theory you accept. In my case, the void
consists initially of a strong negative charge created by the
electrons in the wall that
value as single atom plates.. I would guess several
layers would reinforce the quantum effect of the surface layers
forming the cavity.
Fran
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Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 5:22 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund
models of the entropy of stimulated
emission, or is that a meaningless concept?
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
You say this with certainty. Consequently, I assume you do not
believe the Second Law of Thermodynamics. This law says that all
energy
: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 9:42 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)
Thanks for the description Fran. Let's focus on one subject at a
time, in
this case the Casimir effect.
While you use and value
.
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Lou, most experiments apply no extra energy other than temperature
or electric current. We know that the level of temperature and
current used do not and cannot initiate a nuclear reaction.
Something else
is
actually made to work. Because CF works without these conditions, I
conclude these conditions are not necessary to make it work.
Ed Storms
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Axil, if this process actually can initiate a nuclear reaction, why
to what the National ignition facility can do.
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Eric Walker
eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Ed,
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
1. Can energy be concentrated within a material by a spontaneous
process?
2. Can
Jed, two different applications of the word random are being applied
without a clear differentiation. The effect in a particular sample
involves a random creation of the required conditions. These
conditions are not controlled, consequently they are present in some
samples and not present
I studied Raney Ni and found no evidence for extra heat. The material
is actually an Ni-Al alloy that contains a small fraction of Al. It is
very reactive to oxygen, unreactive to water and unreactive to H2. It
is dangerous to use without care.
Ed Storms
On May 16, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Andy
the production of Raney Nickel, or how it behaves in a Rossi
type setup?
Andy.
On 16/05/13 19:11, Edmund Storms wrote:
I studied Raney Ni and found no evidence for extra heat. The
material is actually an Ni-Al alloy that contains a small fraction
of Al. It is very reactive to oxygen
Fran and Andy, I have always wanted to ask someone who believes in the
Casimir effect why they think the vacuum energy would be blocked by a
thin wall of material. The vacuum energy is proposed to have a very
large frequency, which normally would be expected to pass right
through matter.
Would you not expect this process to produce observable behavior if it
could occur spontaneously in a material? The local energy would be
expected to cause various effects such as local chemical reactions, X-
radiation, and local heating would it not? Such effects are not
observed even
a broad range of effects. These other effects besides
LENR must be observed before the proposed process can be believed. The
expected effects of concentrated local energy are not observed.
Ed Storms
On May 15, 2013, at 7:50 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Edmund
Cracks are only active when they first form and have a critical gap
width. As they grow wider, they cease to become active and release D2
from the material, which reduces the activity of those gaps that
remain active. The paper your cite was written before the critical gap
size was
.
That is close to what the National ignition facility can do.
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Eric Walker
eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Ed,
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
1. Can energy be concentrated within a material by a spontaneous
test
On May 14, 2013, at 10:36 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I meant to say it is NOT as if Storms runs 100 cells in cold fusion
electrochemistry.
That would be blind trial and error. That might produce a ~4%
success rate. To improve the success rate, tou have to test the
cathode material,
Wanting to see the effect for one's self is apparently required for
the claim to be believed. Unfortunately, this is like asking to make a
flash drive yourself so that you can see it work. This can be done,
but it takes skill and special tools. You can make the F-P effect
work if you take
Joe, let me clarify what Jones proposes. The glow discharge used by
Mizuno and others is actually a plasma discharge in an electrolytic
cell. This has produced detectable heat, but is has a limited lifetime
and requires complex analysis of the input power.
What is normally called glow
I think we need to consider two types of skeptics. If a person does
not even believe the validity of the subject being discussed, what can
that skeptic contribute. If CF is not real, what is the point of
discussing why or how it works? The second kind of skeptics works by
considering the
Vorl, it is impossible to decide if CF is real based on the kind of
reasoning you give below or by listening to a discussion between Cude
and anyone else. The level of the discussion is so superficial to be
useless. I wrote an entire book in order to place the evidence in one
place and to
are like smoke accompanying a fire. Depending on the
conditions there can be lots of smoke with little fire (heat), or
lots of fire (heat) with little smoke.
This analogy is consistent with observations.
harry
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Harry
On May 11, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
From: Edmund Storms
Takahashi proposes to form Be8 that fragments after emitting the
extra energy as gamma. However, this idea has no experimental
support. The other theories do not propose energetic helium is
produced. If you want
.
Ed Storms
On May 11, 2013, at 1:45 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
From: Edmund Storms
I find that all theories are based on a series of assumptions, but
some of these assumptions violate basic laws, yet the theory is
accepted because the other assumptions are accepted. This is like
need to discuss their source.
Do they come from the nucleus or from the electron structure?
Ed Storms
On May 11, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
From: Edmund Storms
It would help if you used the definition of gamma ray correctly.
Ed, I’m afraid that it us you who is not up to date
Frank, tungsten has a very high melting point that is lowered by
addition of any element to its structure. Tungsten forms a nitride
that melts at a much lower temperature than the metal. Why not
consider that you simply changed the melting point of the wire, which
cause a break in the
On May 9, 2013, at 8:12 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
It is well-known that people engaged in wishful thinking often see
patterns where there are none. This is why a gambler believes in a
lucky talisman. It is less often noted that people in extreme denial
sometimes look at a clear pattern and
On May 9, 2013, at 8:47 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
It is experuimental anomalies, proven far below 50sigma, with many
kind of anomalies proven, correlation with real-world factors and
not with possible artifact source...
The role of correlation
On May 9, 2013, at 12:20 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
* Heat appears with D but not H.
This is not true. Heat has been measured when H is used.
Only a few people have detected heat with Pd-H. Fleischmann found
marginal heat, and you reported some
Robin, here are some review papers that cite many examples. I also
treat the subject in my book, where I give many cations.
Transmutation is an exothermic reaction that makes heat when it
occurs. The amount of heat is related to the rate. The measured rates
are all too small to make
, at 12:43 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 12:24:43PM -0600, Edmund Storms wrote:
As for concentrating on problems of reproducibility and
upscalability, I have tried to address these issues but with little
support.
Ed, since you claim you have running experiments with anomalous
Of course it is erratic. The only question is: Is it erratic because
of random error or because the required conditions are not created
every time. We now know that certain critical conditions are
required, which are not created except by guided luck. So what? This
problem is typical of
.
Ed Storms
On May 7, 2013, at 4:10 AM, Joshua Cude wrote:
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Nevertheless, when many people report seeing the same behavior, the
reality of this behavior grows. You take the approach that none of
the claimed
of
it being real is miniscule. I also think it is absurd to believe we
have an adequate understanding of physics today to rule it out.
Ransom
But you waste your time on Cude, he is a rock head.
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From: Edmund Storms
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Sent: Tuesday
On May 7, 2013, at 9:55 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 10:25:11AM -0500, Joshua Cude wrote:
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Regardless of what is suggested as evidence, you will find a way
to reject
it.
This is often stated
and how it works. Unfortunately, this takes
money - money that the likes of Cude prevent from being applied. If a
definition of crime against humanity is needed, this behavior would
qualify.
Ed Storms
On May 7, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com
wrote:
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com via eskimo.com
7:48 AM (2 hours ago)
to vortex-l
Joshua, ...You argue that it is not real, but simply the result of
many mistakes made repeatedly by many well trained scientists.
***In order to avoid a straw
, we can all be proud that the
scientific method works, but its failures cause the damage that needs
to be addressed.
Ed
On May 6, 2013, at 2:44 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
On May 2, 2013, at 9:54 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
wrote:
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
I
On May 6, 2013, at 7:28 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Sat, May 04, 2013 at 07:26:42PM -0400, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Consequently, I for one will not continue the discussion.
Me neither! I promise to shut up.
Have any of you personally been able
. The status of cold fusion. in 28th Intersociety
Energy Conversion Engineering Conference. 1993. Atlanta, GA,. p.
14. Storms, E.K. Statement of Dr. Edmund Storms before Congress.
in Hearing Before the Subcommittee on Energy of the Committee on
Science, Space, and Technology, U. S. House
...@gmail.com
wrote:
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Consequently, I for one will not continue the discussion.
Me neither! I promise to shut up.
- Jed
Eric, ALL nuclear reactions generate heat. Alpha emission is a nuclear
reaction. Therefore, heat was generated. However, the rate of the
reaction was too small to make detectable heat from this reaction. The
only unknown is whether heat from a different reaction can occur.
We know that
, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Eric, ALL nuclear reactions generate heat. Alpha emission is a
nuclear reaction. Therefore, heat was generated. However, the rate
of the reaction was too small to make detectable heat from this
reaction. The only unknown is whether
in a
manner that conflicts with common sense.
The rules of process behavior in material are now relative to the
material itself and not absolute.
You cannot assume an absolute rule for material behavior in this
modern age.
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Edmund Storms
stor
of a potassium salt in a LERN experiment.
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
I agree. In fact, I believe once gaps of a critical width can be
made on purpose in any material, CF will become totally
reproducible. Nevertheless, these gaps have to be made
also lend some support
to Rossi’s seeming oversized particle choice and tubule shapes.
Fran
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 6:31 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:RE: From Russia, with love
OK Axil
On May 6, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Eric, ALL nuclear reactions generate heat. Alpha emission is a
nuclear reaction. Therefore, heat was generated.
Ha. Yes, I stand corrected. I think I had excess
On May 6, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
I wrote:
Eric, you need to consider some basic requirements. If an energetic
particle is produced, such as an alpha, a second particle must be
present to carry away the momentum.
Yes -- we are in agreement here. There are various ways to
On May 5, 2013, at 11:52 AM, Eric Walker wrote:
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
wrote:
Whereas Hagelstein’s model, when all is said and done, is an
invention created to match an experimental outcome (which it does)
but with no precedent in physical reality.
like the
simplicity of such an approach. However, simplicity does not seem to
be the accepted approach is these discussions.
Ed Storms
On May 5, 2013, at 12:20 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
The very small number
On May 5, 2013, at 1:33 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Eric, I assume that a single mechanism causes CF.
I am probably missing something important, but I don't see how the
statement below follows from the one above
On May 5, 2013, at 3:52 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
Thank you. I now have a better understanding the logic that has led
you to the slow-helium formation assumption.
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
The CR-39 measurements were not made when
Joshua, I find your arguments not only logically inconsistent but not
even accurate. First of all, you and many other people made such a
fuss about CF being impossible, that the money required to advance
understanding was denied. OK, we all know that some money was
provided. This amount
The role of the substrate depends on the mechanism. While all of the
proposed mechanism are applied to Pd, this does not mean Pd is the
only material that supports the NAE. People have used Ti, Ni, various
alloys, and various oxides with success. Once the NAE can be made on
purpose and in
I address this issue in my book, which Joshua obviously has not read.
But you are right, Jed. This issue has been laid to rest so
completely, one has to wonder why it has been brought up now. This is
like someone now arguing for the flat earth concept.
Ed
On May 4, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Jed
While I agree with Cude about the need for ideas to be challenged and
claims to be questioned, his style is not helpful in clarifying the
issues about CF. Consequently, I for one will not continue the
discussion. I suggest other people consider what happened last time
Vortex was subjected
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:15 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Eric, before you make a conclusion you really need to understand
what I'm proposing, rather than using your own imagination. First of
all
On May 2, 2013, at 11:15 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Eric, before you make a conclusion you really need to understand
what I'm proposing, rather than using your own imagination. First of
all, the Hydroton is a neutral
On May 3, 2013, at 9:44 AM, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote:
On 5/3/2013 8:31 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
Eric, tunneling in my mind is not real. It is a conceptual ploy to
fix a flawed understanding of how a process actually works.
Consequently, I do not use this concept.
Tunneling is very real
8:56 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
We were discussing nuclear reactions. Tunneling is applied when a
reaction that should not be possible based on a theory is found to
actually occur at an unexpected rate.
I kind of understand. The confusing thing is that tunneling is
*already* used to compute
This is obviously a spoof. Someone is just having fun and looking to
get a serious reply.
Ed
On May 3, 2013, at 11:24 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:13 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
wrote:
That's not a TED talk. It's a TED conversation.
Oh. Google Alerts casts
be
retained. Quantum mechanics is a self-consistent theory, and
tunneling is an intrinsic part of it.
Perhaps it's no wonder that someone with such a misguided
understanding of elementary physics is also a true believer in cold
fusion.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Edmund Storms
stor
Yes Joshua, I know you do not believe CF is real. You have been
consistent in this attitude for years as the evidence kept
accumulating. So, we now have a contest. Either you and other skeptics
are correct or I and other believers in CF are correct. You leave no
middle ground. Nature will
On May 1, 2013, at 10:23 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
Hi Ed,
In fact, I suggested an explanation that met all of these
requirements, but this was either rejected or ignored. Consequently,
I have very little hope for any theory being accepted any time soon.
I have read your recent JCMNS
I think what people are saying: The concept of science works but the
application frequently sucks! The Scientific method is a guide, like
the Ten Commandments, but is likewise frequently ignored.
Nevertheless, the idea works and provides an incentive for people who
need a guide.
Ed
On May 2, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
I now propose it is a chain formed from 2p bonds that allow a series
of hydrons to form a chain of atoms. This kind of bond is normally
not stable. I propose
more study than most
people care to apply.
Ed Storms
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
Sent: Wed, May 1, 2013 12:07 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Barron's (April 27, 2013) investigates Li
I find these discussions about LENR to be an amazing example of how
people can have beliefs that are in direct conflict with each other
and even with reality itself. Let me give two examples.
First, most people believe Rossi is a fraud and cannot be believed,
but they will nevertheless
will suggest some
if anyone is interested.
Ed Storms
On Apr 30, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms
First, most people believe Rossi is a fraud and cannot be believed,
but they will nevertheless believe him when he claims his heat results
OK, here is another example of wishful thinking based on no data what-
so-ever. The idea that lithium can be involved in LENR is based on the
W-L theory, which has no support at all, neither from basic science
nor from the observed behavior of LENR. Yet, it is used as an
explanation of the
On Apr 30, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
First, most people believe Rossi is a fraud and cannot be believed,
but they will nevertheless believe him when he claims his heat
results from transmutation of Ni.
I believe those are different
about Rossi's claims.
Ed Storms
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
I find these discussions about LENR to be an amazing example of how
people can have beliefs that are in direct conflict with each other
and even with reality itself. Let me give
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Barron's (April 27, 2013) investigates Li-battery
fires
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
First, most people believe Rossi is a fraud and cannot be believed,
but they will nevertheless believe him when he
On Apr 30, 2013, at 5:06 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:56:55
-0600:
Hi,
[snip]
Jed, while this might be different groups, I get the impression that
many people trying to make sense from his claims do not think highly
of Rossi as a
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