Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia is basically just another giant bureaucracy

2016-04-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When you restrict or (mis)direct this conversation to a specialist mailing list, you fail to understand what this is all about. It is exactly much of the discussion that happens on this mailing list by the people who are most heard where it becomes plain that the publication has a point. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding Citation Hunt

2016-04-24 Thread Gerard Meijssen
to expand our outreach to libraries and seek the use of commercial sources in the libraries that enable this for their users. Libraries are our friends and in this publishers are our enemy. Thanks, GerardM On 23 April 2016 at 18:00, James Salsman wrote: > > > > > > Ger

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding Citation Hunt

2016-04-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
benefit, it would destroy what we are and how we do things for no obvious benefit. Thanks, GerardM On 23 April 2016 at 16:02, James Salsman wrote: > > > > Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > > ... > > > > I categorically oppose paying people for content. Enabl

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding Citation Hunt

2016-04-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I categorically oppose paying people for content. Enabling them to create content is different. Citations is content and its quality is relevant but only that. Thanks, GerardM On 22 April 2016 at 18:54, James Salsman wrote: > How do people feel about a few of the larger the Chapters

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-04-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
forward, it does hinder and it takes energy away from those things that really matter. Thanks, GerardM On 17 April 2016 at 22:13, Oliver Keyes wrote: > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Gerard Meijssen > wrote: > > Hoi, > > So when as a result of your yihad the worst o

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Africa / Gender gaps (was Re: Gender gap on "classical" encyclopedias)

2016-04-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
> Den 2016-04-21 kl. 08:21, skrev Gerard Meijssen: > >> Hoi, >> >> Anders, have you looked into the ArticlePlaceholder? Could it serve you >> well instead of adding articles using the bot? >> Thanks, >>GerardM >> > I do not know, as I am not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Africa / Gender gaps (was Re: Gender gap on "classical" encyclopedias)

2016-04-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Anders, have you looked into the ArticlePlaceholder? Could it serve you well instead of adding articles using the bot? Thanks, GerardM On 21 April 2016 at 07:48, Anders Wennersten wrote: > Our traditional way of creating article is based on the interests of the > contributors. This p

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gender gap on "classical" encyclopedias

2016-04-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, EEK women EEK ... I think we should accept that our heroes deserve attention. Calling Emily a hero as in an achiever is not a problem. Emily is certainly notable and she is more than a figurehead. I do not have a problem with celebrating our own notable people. When we do, WE have a problem.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gender gap on "classical" encyclopedias

2016-04-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
nts so far are getting stale. Thanks, GerardM On 20 April 2016 at 13:11, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: > Yes. That is SOP for studies about biographies and literature in general. > On 20 Apr 2016 18:04, "Gerard Meijssen" wrote: > > > Hoi, > > Given the existing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gender gap on "classical" encyclopedias

2016-04-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Given the existing number of articles and the gender gap in them, it is unlikely that activities make much of a difference. I think that it makes more sense to compare the new articles and see if the percentages are different in those. Did anyone look at it in this way? Thanks, GerardM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-04-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
g on the board for > life. Our current situation is a disheartening for many within the > movement. > > James > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 10:30 PM, Gordon Joly > wrote: > > > On 17/04/16 20:55, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > > Arguably the latest > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-04-17 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, So when as a result of your yihad the worst of what you imagine comes out, the most you have achieved is that you can say "this is why I think he is an asshole". Then what. It does not change a thing. We are still intend on sharing the sum of all knowledge. You still have to do a lot of convin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-04-15 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You are welcome to your opinion about Jimmy Fae. But honestly. I think you have gone into a direction where I fail to follow you nor do I see a benefit. I also fail to understand why you have it in for Jimmy, it comes over as personal. What I personally observed in quite a few occasions is th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [recent changes]

2016-04-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I do appreciate Denny. However, your notion that "we're lucky to have him" flies in the face of him leaving the board. He now does no longer a COI working at Google. Have you considered that he might have been more worthwhile to us having remained on the board and having been more outspoken ev

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Learning Tec de Monterrey annual report

2016-04-13 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Congratulations Leigh :) Thanks, GerardM On 14 April 2016 at 03:52, Leigh Thelmadatter wrote: > As per the request on the Reports page on Meta, we hereby announce our > very first annual report as a Wikimedia user group (sorry its late! we > lack hands) > > > https://outreach.wikim

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Kenya - copyright infringement

2016-04-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Sorry for some nit-picking. It is only one variation of NDS it is not a variation of NL. The problem with NDS is that there has been a formal adoption of one variant of NDS that is only for Germany. Thanks, GerardM On 11 April 2016 at 09:34, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > Wikipedia goes by l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What can we learn

2016-04-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Really more bureaucracy? As if that does not bring its own conflict of interest? Thanks, GerardM On 9 April 2016 at 10:20, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > What should be noted is that a personal declaration of COI cannot be > sufficient. Probably an evaluation of potential conflits done by a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [recent changes]

2016-04-08 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Denny I am sorry to have lost a friend who is on the board but I am happy to welcome back a friend who can now express his ideas, his notions, his opposition, his point of view. Yes you work for Google. For me it means that you are again in an unique position to be an ambassador for both Googl

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiwand

2016-03-31 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I think you have missed the point badly. Wikiwand is not about the communities and their pride. It is about what the Wikimedia Foundation stands for. It is sharing the sum of all knowledge. When we do a piss poor job and let Wikiwand steal the cake we have our priorities fatally wrong. The n

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiwand

2016-03-31 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When we recognise that an editor has different needs we should provide editors with different tools. Readers in turn do not need all the tools of editors but we do want to convert them to editors. It does not follow that they will be enticed to become one by all the clutter. The objective is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiwand

2016-03-31 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, If anything they provide us a service. Anything they can do, we can do integrated. Anything they can do, we can learn from. Anything they prove works better is often a discussion the others have lost their firm footing. We are very much stuck in fixed thinking modes. It is why Wikisource is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons search display results

2016-03-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Hoe does this fit in with the plan to use structured data for Commons? As I understand it, the plan is to use tags for pictures, this will make what pictures depict findable in any language with the appropriate labels. Thanks, GerardM On 30 March 2016 at 20:02, Dan Garry wrote: > Hello

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiProject Accuracy

2016-03-27 Thread Gerard Meijssen
er Keyes > Sender: "Wikimedia-l" Date: Fri, > 25 Mar 2016 10:27:33 > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Reply-To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiProject Accuracy > > Featured Article, Good Article and point of view, in sequence. Hope that > he

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiProject Accuracy

2016-03-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Sorry but your alphabet soup makes it hard if not impossible to understand. I do not edit en.wp and that should not be a necessity to understand what is being said. Thanks, GerardM On 25 March 2016 at 14:13, Stephen Philbrick wrote: > Improved accuracy is like motherhood and apple pie

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiProject Accuracy

2016-03-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, There are two parts to it as far as I am concerned. More collaboration, I am all for it. The other part is a power grab because it means that things must meet "established" requirements, that is imho a bad idea. It establishes power struggles whereby established "truths" trump common sense wi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

2016-03-24 Thread Gerard Meijssen
> [1] > https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATeles&type=revision&diff=168565809&oldid=168565337&uselang=en > > [2] > https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Teles/Angola_Facebook_Case&oldid=168514640 > > On 3/20/16, Gerard M

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who runs the Wikimedia Shop ?

2016-03-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, With the same pragmatism a different scenario. If say a $20,- donation arrives and a T-shirt is send, * $12 basic transaction and product costs * $12 pro rata costs of having our "own" product to sell produce * 1,80 WMF administration costs * $5,80 loss on every T-shirt Thanks, GerardM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FLOSS for operations equipment

2016-03-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Given that a Google and Facebook are working on networking equipment and are making both hardware and associated freely available, it makes more sense to concentrate on this high end solution. A solution that fits with the need of WMF. Thanks, GerardM PS I am not so interested that I kno

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who runs the Wikimedia Shop ?

2016-03-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Have you considered the cost? It is not free to run a shop. When another organisation can do it for you for less, it would be not good to have an own shop on principles only. Thanks, GerardM On 21 March 2016 at 20:39, Steinsplitter Wiki wrote: > Why do we need such a Shop? > > (I must

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

2016-03-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Realistically. Wikipedia is very much an enabler. Your ease to consider "simply" disabling mobile edits or uploads I find appalling. People in countries like USA or UK are very fortunate. Nobody would ever argue to disable their edits or uploads. At the same time as a movement we desperately

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Case for Federation: Should Parts of WMF Be Spun Off?

2016-03-19 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Organising our movement in the format of a federation will not necessarily do what you describe. As you assume that money flows to the places where money is spend, you will not have a federation. A federation is based on equal terms and when money is what keeps everone in line it is not a fed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-03-19 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, May I ask on what basis this should be done. Is it not equally relevant to ask yourself how isolated you are in your position? Is this what we need, will it do us any good or is it just that you feel that this is what "we" need ? It is fine for you to spout what you do. However, I am very muc

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania: Is it going to be once every two years?

2016-03-13 Thread Gerard Meijssen
exposes what is wrong with us. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/02/wikipedia-peter-breggin-power-of.html On 13 March 2016 at 00:58, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: > On 2016-03-12 1:35 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > >> When it is only a nominal consideratio

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania: Is it going to be once every two years?

2016-03-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When it is only a nominal consideration but mostly a chuckle, what does it say about the validity of those people and their assumptions? This is exactly the infuriating kind of response that turns people off the community. Thanks, GerardM On 12 March 2016 at 14:45, Marc A. Pelletier wr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It is becoming boring. Andreas, quality is not in sources. They are often horrible. Your notion that only sources are good is off. It has been argued too often that quality is in much more than only sources. The argument that Wikidata is immature has been made all frequently and the point is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation executive transition update

2016-03-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Katherine welcome.. you are now included at Wikidata as well [1]. Yes, the information is incomplete but many people will add information about you including links to Wikipedia articles. Do good. Thanks, GerardM [1] https://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?&q=23034479 On 11 March 2016

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: A conversation?

2016-03-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, He is (as far as I know) flying coach. It was his own project with his own money. So what is the point? Thanks, GerardM On 10 March 2016 at 07:19, Ruslan Takayev wrote: > Gerard, et al > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Gerard Meijssen < > gerard.meijs...@gma

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: A conversation?

2016-03-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, A few things are clear. Having a WMF project intended to compete with Google is bonkers. The mudslinging and power grabbing tone of many of these messages seriously turn me off. The only thing they accomplish is that people like myself are moving in their emotions from depressed to furious. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] about staff

2016-03-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It is a travesty when it is up to an employer to recognise a trade union. The question is very much what is implied by such a recognition. It may be cultural but I would consider the WMF seriously flawed when it is not willing to recognise the right of employees to be organised. A trade union

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Access and Participation in the ASBS

2016-03-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
te for the > representative who needs to communicate in English > Cheers, > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen > Sent: Sunday, 06 March 2016 9:45 AM > To: Wikimedia Maili

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Access and Participation in the ASBS

2016-03-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I am the last one to say that multi-linguality is not important. However, given that the affiliates board is selected by an organisation that NEEDS to communicate in English, I disagree. It is vital for people of the affiliates to have a reasonable understanding of English and when they do no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-03-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, That would not be a bad idea in and of itself. However, the kind of troubles are not necessarily the kind where a Union has its experience. Thanks, GerardM On 5 March 2016 at 20:45, Gordon Joly wrote: > On 05/03/16 16:49, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > Arguably, the employe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-03-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, There is one big hole in this comparison. We are a movement, the Foundation is the material part of it. It is responsible for all kinds of everything but we, as a community do not pay for a roof over our head. We are represented on the WMF board. That is it. Arguably, the employees have a bi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Using this list to tear people down

2016-03-03 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, To be brutally honest. The way several people on this list have behaved has been really distressing. The format they used has been a disguise for hostility. The problem is that these "pillars of society" bring the house down. At issue was trust. Trust between staff and the ED. There were othe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliate-selected Board seats-candidates

2016-03-02 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I so agree. It would be good when the notion of civility that has been championed is taken to Meta as well. Thanks, GerardM On 3 March 2016 at 07:22, Anders Wennersten wrote: > There are now, five days before deadline, 7 candidates and all new names. > Last time two years ago there we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, If we want to make a difference, a real difference, we enable refugees in refugee camps to edit Wikipedia. They have nothing to do, they are often well educated. It is wonderful when they can because it not only gives them something to do, it gives them a sense of self-worth and this prevents

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message just sent to the BoT

2016-02-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It is not only staff that suffer. It is really depressing what goes on. I find that I do less than I used to do. It is the little things that keep me going.. I blogged about it .. http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/02/wikidata-little-things.html Be good, be gentle Gerard On 25 February

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

2016-02-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
at 08:29, Anthony Cole wrote: > I think we agree on the important points. There's a huge potential in > Wikidata, and it looks like it's in good hands. Commons could be so much > better than it is. > > Anthony Cole > > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 3:08 PM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

2016-02-24 Thread Gerard Meijssen
ulness to Wikipedia, though, would anyone else notice > if it disappeared tomorrow? If they did, Flickr and Google would fill any > gap overnight. > > > > Anthony Cole > > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Gerard Meijssen < > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > wro

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

2016-02-24 Thread Gerard Meijssen
around this host > - chapters, WMF, sister-projects - too often lose sight of the fact that > all of them have yet to prove they have had any significant measurable > impact on the distribution of knowledge. > > So, forgive me if I sometimes forget to include them in my thinking. >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

2016-02-24 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, We are not an encyclopaedia. It is only one of our products. It is only one way whereby we provide content. By insisting on being focused on that part of what we do, we do an injustice to everything else. Thanks, GerardM On 25 February 2016 at 04:01, Anthony Cole wrote: > WMF is a t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timeline of recent events at the Wikimedia Foundation

2016-02-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, All the shit from mailinglists is missing. For the temperature aka the understanding of the developments it is certainly as potent as some of the departures. Thanks, GerardM On 22 February 2016 at 13:20, GorillaWarfare < gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Recent discussion of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Shared list

2016-02-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You are not the only one who is told that dissent is not appreciated. It is ironic that when openness and shared values are considered, these same values are swept under the rug when people are not in line with "common" thought. Apparently thoughts are not so common and certainly not universa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why we changed

2016-02-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
21, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Gerard Meijssen < > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > Where have you been when the search was on for a new director for the > > WIkimedia Foundation? It was the vision that Lila refers to that made her > > the chos

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why we changed

2016-02-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Where have you been when the search was on for a new director for the WIkimedia Foundation? It was the vision that Lila refers to that made her the chosen candidate. The fact that people object, frustrate and sometimes sabotage is an unfortunate micro level consequence of what is happening. Y

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

2016-02-19 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Again, we have not "proven" in any way that it has to be cheap. When cheap comes at the prize of losing what is precious. When we choose to ignore the cost of WMF travel of personnel, we effectively cook the books because the need for WMF inclusion is high. It is one of the aspects that make

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

2016-02-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
> On 09.02.2016 16:40, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > > When you cap Wikimania, who is not to come? > > Employees of the WMF and the chapters, other than WMF's community > engagement team and maybe - just maybe - selected speakers as speakers, > not as general participants.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-02-15 Thread Gerard Meijssen
gt; to > > > > be > > > > > > > *advised > > > > > > > *of such applications and when they're being actively > > contemplated > > > or > > > > > > > prepared. > > > > > > > > > &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-02-15 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Amen Thanks, GerardM On 15 February 2016 at 23:36, Leinonen Teemu wrote: > > On 12.2.2016, at 18.31, Liam Wyatt wrote: > > - Lack of Strategy - > > > > Now, maybe an open-source search engine would be a good thing for the > > WMF to create! But that would be a major strategic decisio

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-02-15 Thread Gerard Meijssen
; multiple issues would be worse than isolated incidents.) > > But none of your points relate to whether Wikimedia leadership has been > honest and forthright in its public communications about the Knowledge > Engine. That is my concern here. > > Pete > [[User:Peteforsyt

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-02-15 Thread Gerard Meijssen
t you feel this way, Gerard. I personally > > > would > > > > > like > > > > > > > to feel more assured that the WMF is looking into the longer > > future > > > > and > > > > > > > actively plannning for the day that don

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-02-15 Thread Gerard Meijssen
; > > > > actively plannning for the day that donations no longer > support a > > > > large > > > > > > > staff doing lots of things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am concerned today that the team specifically tasked t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Elsevier?

2016-02-15 Thread Gerard Meijssen
edia > volunteers > >>> would be impacted if Wikimedia were to renege on its contract: those > who > >>> have gained access to Elsevier Science Direct through the program, and > are > >>> presumably doing good Wikipedia work as a result. Have you check

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Elsevier?

2016-02-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Yes it is intentionally. There is enough shit going on and we need not pile more on at this time. So move on. Thanks, GerardM On 14 February 2016 at 23:01, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Gerard Meijssen > wrote: > > Anyone can use Sci-Hub. Of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Elsevier?

2016-02-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Anyone can use Sci-Hub. Officially you cannot, legally you should not. The WMF makes it possible for those who want to use Elsevier. No problem; anyone can use Sci-Hub. Move on. Thanks, GerardM On 14 February 2016 at 22:52, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 10:38 PM, Vituz

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-02-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
gt; achieving exactly the opposite of what you think. > > It sounds as if you'd much rather prefer to stick your head in the sand and > hope things will blow over. "Move along, nothing to see here -- oh look! > something positive over there!" is not going to solve anythi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-02-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Pine as you are talking about "self inflicting wounds" I take it you are not talking in your personal capacity. When is it enough for you? When are you going to talk about positive things, things that will move us forward. Why ask for blood and more blood? What is it that you hope to achieve?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Engagement reorg - the official announcement

2016-02-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Thank you for writing in your personal capacity so the other things need not have any consideration. Thank you for a profile that reads American. Thank you for continuing with the sniping at the WMF. What is your point or is that personal? How do you help things move in the right direction? I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

2016-02-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
markets and giving new voices a chance to > attend. But I wanted to dispel the myth that Americans are always gorging > at the trough. > > > https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships#Scholarship_selection_process > https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

2016-02-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Pine with all due respect, the USA is not the problem and English Wikipedia has been overly subsidised, given way too much attention. Indeed having more people from the USA attend Wikimania is not a good value proposition. The USA and Britain is overrepresented as it is. Thanks, GerardM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

2016-02-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, To quote a Wikipedia maxim .. "citation needed". It is one thing to say that something is costly and, it is. It is another to say that Wikimania is expensive. It is expensive when it does not provide a value relative to costs. When you compare with Red Hat, you talk about professional people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

2016-02-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When you cap Wikimania, who is not to come? Who is not relevant enough. We are a big movement and there is a reason for that. You care about health, what about mental health? How do you learn the lessons from the Malayalam source movement. There is more than we can do and you talk about cappin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

2016-02-08 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I positively HATE the notion that Wikimania will be once every other year. It is easy enough to get in contact with local heroes. What Wikimania does is bring people from the whole world together. Without Wikimania our community is parochial. This is where our projects are weak in having a glo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "9 annoying nonprofit trends that need to die"

2016-02-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
yeah 100% is no longer an honest > declaration even if its just few 100 people out the 70,000 plus that > contribute every month > > On 8 February 2016 at 07:10, Gerard Meijssen > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > What is your intention, to be "right" at all cost? >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "9 annoying nonprofit trends that need to die"

2016-02-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, What is your intention, to be "right" at all cost? Thanks, GerardM On 8 February 2016 at 00:04, Pine W wrote: > The fact that someone is not paid *by WMF* to edit does not mean that they > are a volunteer. That would be like saying that a newspaper salesperson > standing at the door of

[Wikimedia-l] Improving on sources

2016-02-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Sources are important. Practically they are neither easy nor always obvious. When you consider a Wikipedia article with the same fact, it needs a source in every language the article appears in. To top this off, there are languages that require sources in their own language. The amount of effo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why take grants? (was: Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?)

2016-02-04 Thread Gerard Meijssen
ion. That we depend only on small individual contributions, and that > they come to us even with our minimal efforts, is our strength, not our > weakness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Gerard Meijssen >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why take grants? (was: Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?)

2016-02-03 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You know, when the WMF is to be judged as an organisation, I would never judge on a few incidents. I would judge it on its intrinsic value. Personally and that is the highest level of commitment, personally I find that we are doing a sterling job. Wikipedia is a top ten website in the world. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why take grants?

2016-02-03 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Remember Professor Tannenbaum of Minix fame. He also worked on distributed Wikis. http://fed.wiki.org/view/welcome-visitors/view/smallest-federated-wiki Thanks, GerardM On 3 February 2016 at 17:00, Tim Landscheidt wrote: > (anonymous) wrote: > > > […] > > > But 'getting big' is maybe n

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why take grants? (was: Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?)

2016-02-03 Thread Gerard Meijssen
ithout any charm, any pointer why but a rainy day seems stupid. PS It rains a lot in the Netherlands. Thanks, GerardM On 3 February 2016 at 16:53, Liam Wyatt wrote: > I wish to respond to this specific statement: > > On 3 February 2016 at 13:11, Gerard Meijssen > wrote: > &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why take grants? (was: Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?)

2016-02-03 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Thank you for your opinion. When you ask me, I will not do a WIkipedia article. I find it highly stressful. I find that doing the edit is not so bad, it is the lengthy stuff around it that amount to little. I rather do a thousand Wikidata edits. That brings me to the other point. I do not supp

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why take grants? (was: Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?)

2016-02-03 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Thanks for a thoughtful piece. I will only respond to the first part, the second part is imho out of scope. When the WMF wants more funding, it can if it trusts its chapters. The current funding model has chapters rely totally on the vagaries of the funding committee. Legally they are distin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposed board resolution on reliability

2016-01-31 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Money would be spend for what ? When reliability is the big issue, the only issue, we would be Nupedia and not Wikipedia. Thanks, GerardM On 31 January 2016 at 14:53, Anthony Cole wrote: > In the medicine, genetics and bioinformatics areas, there are a number of > initiatives under wa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Advisory board

2016-01-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The purpose of a board is to function and do its job. When basic and specialised skills are of no relevance, the board will become a mouth piece of the organisation and that is worse. So no, you are wrong. Thanks, GerardM On 29 January 2016 at 16:51, Uwe Herzke wrote: > I fully subsc

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-01-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi Several WIkipedias extended their search with functionality by Magnus that provides them info from Wikidata. It is why you find results from any Wikipedia on the Tamil Wikipedia for one. There is no reason why we cannot do this everywhere. Thanks, GerardM On 30 January 2016 at 00:50, Sa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ethics of launching Wikidata, vs. ethics of WMF plans for Wikidata

2016-01-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You write about your fear, uncertainty and doubt .. Why have us waste time on it? Do something useful. Thanks, GerardM On 26 January 2016 at 11:33, Pete Forsyth wrote: > On Jan 26, 2016 5:24 AM, "Magnus Manske" > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:33 AM Pete Forsyth > wrote: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-01-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
ard and then using them in > > reference statements is harder > > > > -Original Message- > > From: "Andrea Zanni" > > Sent: ‎26-‎1-‎2016 09:20 > > To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-01-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
dding. For simple lists and links Wikidata is hands down superior. Thanks, GerardM On 26 January 2016 at 12:21, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Gerard Meijssen < > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > Eh, wrong link ... > &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ethics of launching Wikidata, vs. ethics of WMF plans for Wikidata

2016-01-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Thanks for the FUD. You mention that the Wikimedia Foundation has plans. Really.. There are plans that are published and there has been time for you to consider them. They are the ones that the WMF has published, they are the only ones that exist as far as I know and I follow Wikidata closely.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-01-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
ements in > > Wikipedia articles, but there are very few Wikipedia articles that have > at > > least one reference per sentence. So concluding that any single > > unreferenced statement no matter how many other referenced statements > there > > are in the item brings an en

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Happy Magnus Manske Day!

2016-01-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, +1 .. I would love it when 'the man' himself indicates what we would like for a present (realisation of what he thinks is a breakthrough functionality).. Not ask the 'community', not involve paper tigers but hear the roar of 'the man' Thanks, GerardM On 25 January 2016 at 18:50, Ricord

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-01-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Eh, wrong link ... http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/01/wikipedia-20-error-rate.html On 25 January 2016 at 17:29, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > I regularly blog. It was mentioned in one of my blogposts [1].. By the way > the obvious would be to do some research yourse

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-01-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
-mental-health.html [2] http://www.letusdiy.org/uploads/userup/0911/341GC2.jpg On 25 January 2016 at 16:11, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Gerard Meijssen < > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > It happens often that I work on co

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-01-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Maybe.. but not all Wikipedias are the same. It is verifiable that Wikipedia would easily benefit from Wikidata from Wikidata by replacing the existing links and red links with functionality that uses Wikidata. It happens often that I work on content in Wikipedia and find an error rate of 20%

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Happy Magnus Manske Day!

2016-01-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
for the same person and so forth > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Gerard Meijssen < > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > If there is one thing I have learned from Magnus, it is that a single > tool > > is just that. Easily forgotten. The po

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Happy Magnus Manske Day!

2016-01-24 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, If there is one thing I have learned from Magnus, it is that a single tool is just that. Easily forgotten. The power of his approach is that he thinks about tools as part of a chain. This means that when a new tool is build, it slots in. It gains power by doing so. Being an independent thinke

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-01-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Jens, so you talk about improving Wikipedia. What I hear is basic negativity. What is it in what you say that will actually make a positive difference. Have you considered how Wikidata already made a big quality improvement and do you agree that by taking the next step from interwiki links and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A common product development process (was Re: Profile of Magnus Manske)

2016-01-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, One issue is that with phabricator the discussion has been largely moved to .. phabricator. That is normal however, following what happens there and finding where a discussion should/could rage takes a substantial effort. For me phabricator is a painful experience, it often does not work for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to disseminate free knowledge? Was: Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-01-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
wrote: > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 9:49 PM, Gerard Meijssen > wrote: > > Hoi, > > > http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/01/wikidata-william-anthony-phd.html > > That blog post doesnt appear link to the Wikidata item. > > It is https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to disseminate free knowledge? Was: Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-01-19 Thread Gerard Meijssen
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen > Sent: Tuesday, 19 January 2016 10:39 AM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to disseminate free knowledge? Was: Profile > of Magnus Manske > > Hoi, > You d

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