Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

some of the issue stems form the copyright laws of Angola, which are really interesting to read -- read them in english -- https://www.copyright-watch.org/files/Angola.pdf of course I dont expect people to know their copyright laws in detail or to have read them but they do know the principles of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliate-selected Board seats update

It would be interesting to see how affiliates do make decision in this process as we have only 6 weeks(4 after the endorsements are finalised) from close of nominations to final voting Wikimedia Australia has invited it members to consider the list of nominations and whether the community will end

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

Why Anthony On 26 January 2016 at 20:46, Anthony Cole wrote: > Yes, Aubrey. It would be way too onerous to expect us to make each > citation a Wikidata item. If you use the currently available templates to format your citation then its possible to extract this information with a bot, the next

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Access and Participation in the ASBS

Agree with John here we are talking about two distinct needs one is the candidates being able to communicate within the boards hence the need for english, the second which is equally important is the need for Affiliates to be able to engage their community in the decision process and its here whe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Access and Participation in the ASBS

You would think though that someone who wanted to represent all of the affiliates would endeavor to have their statement translated into as many languages as possible to ensure their message got heard by the most amount of people, even if they did it themselves using one of the many translation pro

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Armenia candidate for the board

so much for "Assume good faith" On 3 March 2016 at 08:31, Cristian Consonni wrote: > 2016-03-03 1:20 GMT+01:00 Andreas Kolbe : > > I think that top-level government interference in Wikipedia harms people > in > > the movement and its mission, especially if the government in question > has > > a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

Another thread thats digressed from its original question but right through the discussion not one person raised the concept that that the WMF is a charity (An organization, the objective of which is to carry out a charitable purpose) our purpose is to share the sum of all knowledge, think about th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

The first thing that happens when you split up something like Wikimania in multiple events is you multiple the cost of WMF attendance because they need to deliver the same messages multiple times, an alternative decision to restrict who goes where you run into the issue of regions being treated dif

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

FYI making main stream media http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-15/wikimedia-foundation-aims-to-take-on-google-in-search/7168840 On 14 February 2016 at 00:49, Anthony Cole wrote: > Anne, we're talking about almost the same thing, but not exactly. I say > "advised" you say "consulted". "Consu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

some rules and guidelines are a throw back to earlier years and should be adjusted for rather than given significance over current practices. where once a donation of 100,00 was considered potentially as content influencing now its appreciated for what it is, the reality is that its not the donati

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

While everyone keeps looking at the cost thats not the question we should be asking, because even if the costs were reduced to 500,000, 100,00 or even 10,000 ​that doesnt reflect the value we get from the in person contacts, the global connections the sharing of experiences, learning of concepts, e

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

> > ​ > On behalf of the Wikimania Committee, I would like to thank everyone who took part and the Community Resources team for organising this discussion. The Committee will consider these recommendations and will then come back > with some changes to our processes. > ​Ellie started the discus

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "9 annoying nonprofit trends that need to die"

Some Wikipedians in Residence also get paid for their work, saying "Wikipedia is written by volunteers" is honest and doesnt have the puffary of 100%. As a community we are working to create more activities, projects and partnerships with GLAM where the people participating are being paid to edit a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monetizing Wikimedia APIs

"imagine a world where every human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge" - forget that we can make a quid by charging now as we are the best and only remaining encyclopedia - suppose its time stop imagining anything beyond a dollar sign, - WMF could start by charging Google f

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Better thankspam

Crikey, balance, spam, dont contribute, very little contribution, +1 pile on (though we dont see many -1 pile ons). we are society/community that works because we collaborate we assume good faith int he actions of others, we know that while we speak(email) in english many of us have different

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

in a substantive court matter would be recommended for a position of trust with a charity before the matter was resolved especially considering that an associated court action found that wrong doing had taken place. What ever process was used its definitely broken, Cheers Gnangarra On 11 January 2016 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

The sky isnt falling yes it wasnt optimally handled and yes it caught the community by surprise but lets be careful here. We cant sit back and enjoy the holiday season while expecting everyone else to be dropping everything and running into to the office

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

> Thanks, >GerardM > > On 29 December 2015 at 13:27, Gnangarra wrote: > > > > > > > This is when sources truly become vital. But do > > > remember, the POV of the USA and many of its sources are as suspect as > > > those from Kazak

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

> > This is when sources truly become vital. But do > remember, the POV of the USA and many of its sources are as suspect as > those from Kazakhstan. ​And that is why regardless of the fact a citation is so important, ​ ​because the person receiving the information must able to make their own a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

there are bigger questions than why like; - how can this take place - how can the community ensure its representatives independence in the future, - what effect will this have on other elected representatives on the board The Florida statute( https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 to be held in Montréal in Canada

ions > ​, and what about 2018, ​I still support north africa, and Tunis exactly > > > Le mar. 22 déc. 2015 12:27, Gnangarra a écrit : > > > this has been known for ages the process was usurped from the community > > really dont see a lot to celebrate or to congratulate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 to be held in Montréal in Canada

this has been known for ages the process was usurped from the community really dont see a lot to celebrate or to congratulate anyone about... yes I was the leader of one bid for 2017 that had followed the published process On 22 December 2015 at 19:05, Rodrigo Padula wrote: > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata training in Oceania, SE Asia (Was: Quality issues)

welcome to send people to with a workshop focusing on experienced contributors to other projects on the next day as well. Full details will be published in Early January On 21 December 2015 at 10:08, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: > On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Gnangarra wrote: > > This

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

This is going nowhere, one of the big issues is that there is a lack of understanding on how WikiData works and whats it purpose is. Wikimedia Australia solution is invest community money into bringing someone who has contributed to Wikidata to Australia to do a series of talks and workshops arou

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

there is a compromise license cc-by without the sa On 20 December 2015 at 21:38, Lydia Pintscher wrote: > On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > Lydia, > > > > I can only relate my impressions to you. The first two items I looked at > > Now we're getting somewhere ;-) > > > (

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

this is the issue in quality ​ > If Google uses our data and they are wrong, that's bad for them.​ Under CC) license when Google uses the information they dont need to attribute Wikidata, if that "wrong" data came from WD --> google ---> news source ---> WP not only has it been washed its now

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Branislav Jovanovic, User:BraneJ in critical condition

On behalf of Wikimedia Australia, Australian contributors and myself our condolences to all who knew him, thank you Milos for sharing our care & concern for Brane with Brane before he passed. -Gideon On 11 December 2015 at 21:59, Gregory Varnum wrote: > Tragic news. Condolences to all that knew

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

d 0-3 statements, I would probably > update those. > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Lydia Pintscher < > lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de> wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 1:15 AM, Gnangarra wrote: > > > Criag is right this cant be fixed within the database becau

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why are we so boring?

maybe the movement needs to get a few more Australians around events to liven things up, as its never boring here... we'll even bring drop bears and other furry creatures to keep people on their toes 😁 On 8 December 2015 at 21:47, Anders Wennersten wrote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

Criag is right this cant be fixed within the database because the data base is applying one truth where there is no one truth for everyone. This will always be the single biggest flaw of Wikidata no matter how data is presented it can never be the absolute truth unless its measurable through some m

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation IEG program will fund 14 community-led projects

would it be possible to hear some the more significant but general reasonings behind the why the 15 get funded so that the community take those lesson on board as well. On 5 December 2015 at 12:01, Lila Tretikov wrote: > Thank you Marti, committee. And congratulation to all of the grantees. > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

hold it, back up the truck for a moment If the WMF has a fundraising team and a PR/media team why is it paying a third party to provide the banners surely someone should be able to design them in house, what about someone from the design teams working on other projects. If no one has the skills

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

dogmatic as well. So no, > thank you. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 2 December 2015 at 23:56, Gnangarra wrote: > > > 29 million photos, 30 seconds type category:coffee cups > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Coffee_cups 90 photos > > subcategory

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

29 million photos, 30 seconds type category:coffee cups https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Coffee_cups 90 photos subcategory cups of coffee a further 700 images not really difficult to find or navigate to what you need. There is no excuse for fundraising team to not use a Free licensed p

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

> > While I happily agree that Sources are good, I will not ask people to start > adding Sources at this point of time it will not improve quality > signifcantly. It makes more sense once we are at a stage where multiple > sources disagree on values for statements. Adding sources is signifcantly >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

Disclaimer first - I'm not exactly conversant in the intricacies of WikiData, if I was to take the information on 14th Dalai Lama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Dalai_Lama it links to Wikidata at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17293 the en article has 2 references that list his date of birt

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

this isnt about how or whats of Google its about ensuring that what we do is trustworthy On 25 November 2015 at 08:12, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 11:26 PM, Leila Zia wrote: > > > > > It's worth mentioning: > > > > Dominant search engines do not rely on one source of informat

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

some resposnes to Leila comments 1. Its not a disaster but it is a serious concern, we know from past experiences that it goes to the heart of the projects long term credibility, Countless hours and funds have gone into redressing Wikipedias reputation and still after 8 years of doing this we get

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

t; for every item. Currently half of our items have at most two statements. We > do find issues in any source by comparing them. It does make sense to make > this effort. It is an obvious way of improving quality in all of our > projects and even beyond that. > Thanks, > GerardM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

> example is in the "primary sources" tool. It is bad because it is brought > to us as the best work flow for adding uncertain data to Wikidata. So the > world is not perfect but hey it is a wiki :) > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 21 November 2015 at 00:32, Gnangarra

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising Update

opened firefox this morning, now maybe its because the coffee kicked in earlier today I noticed this for the first time, it reads very much like what I've seen in previous years on Wikipedia banners, I think the fundraising team should be aware of this because it may be a cause behind the messages

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

> > ... > *When 100% is compared with another source and 85% is the same,**you only > have to check 15% and decide what is righ**t* ​this very statement highlights one issue that ​ ​will always be a problem between Wikidata and Wikipedias. Wikipedia, at least in my 10 years of experience on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community revitalization

Peter that would be very useful both the contributors and to readers On 18 November 2015 at 14:00, Peter Southwood wrote: > How about a tool to look up in Wiktionary from Wikipedia? > Cheers, > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.o

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Celebrating Parisian culture and libertarianism

nnect people and allow them to help each other, and to help prevent > > > tragedies like these. > > > > > > But if you really don't wish to see this discussed, then simply do not > > > discuss it. Don't tell people to shut the fuck up, simply let this > a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Celebrating Parisian culture and libertarianism

ith-based beliefs may be completely harmless depending on what the > > claims > > > are. However, I do think religion is one of the ways some people get > off > > > the rails, and that this is a problem that goes largely underestimated > > and > > > una

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Celebrating Parisian culture and libertarianism

Not sure we should be making such a link as the events in Paris are not about Islam just as the actions of the women in Kentucky was not a reflection of Christianity. Paris is not the only place its unfortunately its not even the latest place to fall victim to ISIS. Wikimedia is a world wide comm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Design] 'Design team' in Wikimedia contexts

the more you mess around with name changes the harder it becomes for the community to follow who is doing what and why. Thats just for those of us who are english speakers I would hate be someone who doesnt speak english trying to follow the changes On 11 November 2015 at 16:53, Quim Gil wrote:

[Wikimedia-l] TPP - copyright

We have a new problem to face in the coming months assuming countries ratify the Trans Pacific Partnership https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership The text of the agreement has been released in the last 24 hours, early commentary is indicating that copyright changes will occur rest

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Q1 Fundraising Update

I think the PR people really need to be more reflective in the reasons and uses of the donations in their messages because its rather easy to show the inconsistancy between the message and the use of donated funds... IMHO some of the drop off in donations is due to this lack reflectivity in the mes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

not > intentional. > > Perhaps the moderated message you are referring to is from your email to > AffCom? > > -greg > > ___ > Sent from my iPhone - a more detailed response may be sent later. > > > On Nov 3, 2015, at 6:31 PM, Gnangarra wrote: > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

just an observation, I tried responding to a discussion on that list, now I've already jumped through the ID hoops and shown I'm part of an affiliate yet my messages are moderated, to me that seams kind of point;less, like to cause disjointed discussion, give the impression that the list is censori

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

While I agree that there is a necessity to link pages through Wikidata I'm with Risker such a message would itself become a barrier to the creation of content, we have enough of those already. We are forgetting that the people doing the edits do so as volunteers not paid employees, they do so for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

" it's not good to give publicly comments on the candidates." Why is that > so? > And candidates? To what? ​To answer that second part first where ever the affiliates as group are represented by an individual. The first part is simple privacy and doing no harm to that individual ​ On 21 O

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

the proliferation of lists is also an issue as someone who's been on a chapter committee for 2 years and going into my third finding the right lists to join is a problem. When you rely solely on electronic means of contact you never get the knowledge of the where discussions are taking place and a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Number of new User Groups

being able to seek assistance and advice from Affcom for specific needs is good concept because no matter how large the organisation mentoring in an invaluable service we can all use. The issue will be in ensuring the mentors have the skills, the knowledge and importantly the time(at the right tim

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Number of new User Groups

Every country is different, in Australia you cant have a bank account for a User group without being registered, you cant work with GLAM without having public liability insurance for which the UG needs to be registered to obtain. If you operate unregistered all members are personally legally liable

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Number of new User Groups

Any process that divides the community isnt good for the community, we already seeing the effects of poor decisions being taken by groups and individuals acting in isolation On 18 October 2015 at 20:02, Leigh Thelmadatter wrote: > Im not sure now is the right time to divide affiliates. Thematic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Earth 2015 winners announced!

IMHO the winner is not the best example of contributing to Commons as the high resolution image wasnt uploaded until after it had been announced as the winner and when you read the rules it says "*Please submit images that are as large as possible and do not “downsize for the web”. We value high re

Re: [Wikimedia-l] help needed - Arkansas

n't > necessarily correlate that well - someone with a few hundred edits can be a > great contact point for a cultural institution and someone with tends of > thousands can be a poor one... :) ) > > Chris > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Gnangarra wrote: > > &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] help needed - Arkansas

of the "fly-over" states. Good luck locating > a > >> Wikipedian somewhere around there, not to mention a Wikimedian. > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:38 AM, Gnangarra wrote: > >> > >> > G'day > >> > > >> > I ha

[Wikimedia-l] help needed - Arkansas

chapters close by, nearest user group is in North Carolina with a smaller area of interest, and the only experienced editors(10,000+ edits) listed on the en Wikiproject Arkansas havent been active in the last 6 months -- ​Gnangarra President Wikimedia Australia WMAU: http://www.wikime

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on carrying the Wikimania conversation forward

I would be careful but using the Wikimania to forward some phases of the discussion in person because many people dont get the opportunity to attend in person and the last thing this process needs now is another barrier to community participation On 13 October 2015 at 00:55, Siko Bouterse wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

15 at 09:06, Pete Forsyth wrote: > I'm not sure what you mean by "knocked back," Gnangarra, but the WMF > response to that grant proposal looks thoughtful and aimed at finding a > viable solution at some point in the future. > > > https://meta.wi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

> > > > Why not organise WikiOz, or WikiOceana? > ​​ > > ​We tried that https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/WM_AU/Wikiconference_Australia_2015 a​nd was knocked back for the funding needed to make it happen. > > -- > ​be fon​ > > Andy Mabbett > @pigsonthewing > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

re then discussed and further developed in depth at the end the jury chose the best available​. It took from September to December for the public process, those who really wanted the event spent time preparing for the process. > > I feel this conversation is getting som

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on carrying the Wikimania conversation forward

interesting suggestions Pete but the published timeline is based on the published process which has now been marked as obsolete/historical. We also know none of that process had been followed nor was there any intention to follow that process. Are you seriously suggesting people continue to put tim

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

On 6 October 2015 at 15:15, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > Theoretically you are right, you COULD restart the process for a next year. > That is quite a professional attitude. Ask yourself, is that the kind of > effort you can ask of volunteers.. Be reasonable. It is too much effort for > what b

[Wikimedia-l] Biggest disappointment from Wikimania 2017

This has been going on for three days, yet not one person involved in this decision has take a moment to reachout personally to the people who worked on bids, They have tabled justifications on list discussions, they have changed the status of Meta pages but not once have they given anyone the cour

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

Everyone knows that when bidding there is a lot of work to be done that may not produce your desired result, its also common for there to be multiple bids. Something that is being missed is that the bidding process isnt a waste of effort, in creating a bid you also create contacts and connections

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

I think we are stuck with Montreal and to change now isnt going address the problems this decision has created, no matter how the poor situation thats been created is remedied every outcome will be a poisoned challis. There are measures IMHO that the WMF should take to ensure the people who creat

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

On 4 October 2015 at 15:17, Mathias Damour wrote: > Le 04/10/2015 05:36, Craig Franklin a écrit : > >> I take your point Pine, but "improving communication with the community" >> seems to have been a WMF priority for as long as I can remember, yet there >> doesn't seem to have been any consistent

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