[Zope] Passing parameters using DTML

2005-06-17 Thread John Poltorak
Can someone provide an example of passing parameters using DTML? I'm sure this must be doable, but don't see an example in the Zope Book. I assume it would go something like dtml-var var1 parm1 parm2 but how would var1 pick up parm1 parm2? -- John

Re: [Zope] Passing parameters using DTML

2005-06-17 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Am Freitag, den 17.06.2005, 09:44 +0100 schrieb John Poltorak: Can someone provide an example of passing parameters using DTML? I'm sure this must be doable, but don't see an example in the Zope Book. I assume it would go something like dtml-var var1 parm1 parm2 but how would var1

[Zope] automagic reindexing of objects

2005-06-17 Thread Jürgen Herrmann
hi all! i make heavy use of indexes in my extension classes. these all inherit from catalogpathaware, so i have to call object.reindex_object() on each changed instance. calling it from attribute getters/setters f.ex. is not a good idea, because changing 3 attributes will reindex the object 3

Re: [Zope] automagic reindexing of objects

2005-06-17 Thread Jürgen Herrmann
[ Jonathan wrote:] - Original Message - From: Jrgen Herrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] i make heavy use of indexes in my extension classes. these all inherit from catalogpathaware, so i have to call object.reindex_object() on each changed instance. calling it from attribute getters/setters

[Zope] Getting information about current method

2005-06-17 Thread Jan-Ole Esleben
Hi! I am new to this list and rather new to Zope, so maybe this is a stupid question; unfortunately I haven't been able to find an answer to it anywhere: is there a generic way to find out from Python code which method has been called (in other words: find out where the current method is located

Re: [Zope] automagic reindexing of objects

2005-06-17 Thread Peter Bengtsson
Personally I think one should stay the hell away from transactions. They're not for you to fiddle with. I understand your question and even though I think it's a bit crazy I can see a benefit (simplicity for the programmer). How about a trickery solution like this: class CatalogPathAware:

Re: [Zope] Getting information about current method

2005-06-17 Thread Peter Bengtsson
On 6/17/05, Jan-Ole Esleben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I am new to this list and rather new to Zope, so maybe this is a stupid question; unfortunately I haven't been able to find an answer to it anywhere: is there a generic way to find out from Python code which method has been called

Re: [Zope] Getting information about current method

2005-06-17 Thread Jan-Ole Esleben
I want to know the name (and path) of the _External Method_ from inside it. What I _can_ get is the name of the DTML method. I want to build generic scaffolding code for functions that conditionally redispatch as asynchronous calls (via ZASync); that part, however, isn't a problem at all -

Re: [Zope] automagic reindexing of objects

2005-06-17 Thread Jürgen Herrmann
[ Peter Bengtsson wrote:] Personally I think one should stay the hell away from transactions. They're not for you to fiddle with. I understand your question and even though I think it's a bit crazy I can see a benefit (simplicity for the programmer). How about a trickery solution like this:

[Zope] Call of TAL interpreter

2005-06-17 Thread Simon ALEXANDRE
Hello Someone could tell me where I could find in Zope the following call: from TALInterpreter import TALInterpreter thanks a lot ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or

Re: [Zope] Call of TAL interpreter

2005-06-17 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 17. Juni 2005 17:12:19 +0200 Simon ALEXANDRE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Someone could tell me where I could find in Zope the following call : from TALInterpreter import TALInterpreter grep -r from TALInterpreter import TALInterpreter * is your friend. -aj

[Zope] Picking up a parameter in a ZPT

2005-06-17 Thread John Poltorak
I'm trying to work out how to pass parameters between various modules running under Zope and have got stuck. In the line below, I need to replace the word 'links' with a variable passed by the calling program python:here.parse_file(file=context.links,sepr=',',clone=1) I know I can pass the

Re: [Zope] Getting information about current method

2005-06-17 Thread Peter Bengtsson
Then, in your External method, try:: import inspect print inspect.stack()[1] On 6/17/05, Jan-Ole Esleben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to know the name (and path) of the _External Method_ from inside it. What I _can_ get is the name of the DTML method. I want to build generic

Re: [Zope] automagic reindexing of objects

2005-06-17 Thread Peter Bengtsson
On 6/17/05, Jrgen Herrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ Peter Bengtsson wrote:] Personally I think one should stay the hell away from transactions. They're not for you to fiddle with. I understand your question and even though I think it's a bit crazy I can see a benefit (simplicity for

Re: [Zope] Picking up a parameter in a ZPT

2005-06-17 Thread Peter Bengtsson
Try python:here.parse_file(file=options['parm'],sepr=',',clone=1) On 6/17/05, John Poltorak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to work out how to pass parameters between various modules running under Zope and have got stuck. In the line below, I need to replace the word 'links' with a

Re: [Zope] Picking up a parameter in a ZPT

2005-06-17 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 17. Juni 2005 16:19:46 +0100 John Poltorak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to work out how to pass parameters between various modules running under Zope and have got stuck. In the line below, I need to replace the word 'links' with a variable passed by the calling program

Re: [Zope] Getting information about current method

2005-06-17 Thread Jan-Ole Esleben
Unforunately, this just gives me the pythonic path to the method; what I need for a TALES expression is the ZOPE path - i.e. what I get from the stack frame is ... E:\zope\Extensions\req.py ... but what I need is ... http://localhost:8080/ReqTest ... Ole 2005/6/17, Peter Bengtsson [EMAIL

[Zope] Using Catalog in a stand-alone application

2005-06-17 Thread Noam Raphael
Hello, I intend to write a free (GPL) application for browsing and searching a large collection of classic Hebrew texts, such as the bible. I want to write it in Python, which is a language that I like very much. It is supposed to be a stand-alone application, which could be distributed on a CD.

Re: [Zope] Getting information about current method

2005-06-17 Thread Jan-Ole Esleben
No, I'm sorry; I only get system paths. Ole 2005/6/17, Peter Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 6/17/05, Jan-Ole Esleben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unforunately, this just gives me the pythonic path to the method; what I need for a TALES expression is the ZOPE path - i.e. what I get from the

Re: [Zope] Using Catalog in a stand-alone application

2005-06-17 Thread Jonathan
- Original Message - From: Noam Raphael [EMAIL PROTECTED] I intend to write a free (GPL) application for browsing and searching a large collection of classic Hebrew texts, such as the bible. I want to write it in Python, which is a language that I like very much. It is supposed to be a

Re: [Zope] Getting information about current method

2005-06-17 Thread Peter Bengtsson
On 6/17/05, Jan-Ole Esleben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I'm sorry; I only get system paths. And what about REQUEST.PARENTS? (or is that just the http request) Ole 2005/6/17, Peter Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 6/17/05, Jan-Ole Esleben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unforunately, this

Re: [Zope] Getting information about current method

2005-06-17 Thread Jan-Ole Esleben
It's an application instance wrapped in a list; it seems to be identical to self, actually - self.REQUEST['URL'] and self.REQUEST.PARENTS[0].REQUEST['URL'] are the same. However, the two REQUESTs are not the identical object (== returns False). Ole 2005/6/17, Peter Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Re: [Zope] Getting information about current method

2005-06-17 Thread Peter Bengtsson
On 6/17/05, Jan-Ole Esleben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's an application instance wrapped in a list; it seems to be identical to self, actually - self.REQUEST['URL'] and self.REQUEST.PARENTS[0].REQUEST['URL'] are the same. However, the two REQUESTs are not the identical object (== returns

Re: [Zope] Python Scripts

2005-06-17 Thread Dieter Maurer
Dennis Allison wrote at 2005-6-16 09:06 -0700: We have been seeing a number of instances where python scripts fail due to an apparent syntax error but the syntax is correct and simply storing the method restores it to functionality. Anyone else seeing this? I saw this today. I expect DOS

Re: [Zope] IE v. Firefox for viewing Zope sites

2005-06-17 Thread Dieter Maurer
John Poltorak wrote at 2005-6-16 22:33 +0100: ... I was advised to change base href=/ / to base href=http://www.mysite.org/; / and that seemed to sort out most of the problems. You should not fiddle with the base tag (unless you precisely (!) know what you are doing). Zope sets it

Re: [Zope] automagic reindexing of objects

2005-06-17 Thread Dieter Maurer
Jrgen Herrmann wrote at 2005-6-17 14:19 +0200: i make heavy use of indexes in my extension classes. these all inherit from catalogpathaware, so i have to call object.reindex_object() on each changed instance. calling it from attribute getters/setters f.ex. is not a good idea, because changing 3

Re: [Zope] Passing parameters using DTML

2005-06-17 Thread Dieter Maurer
Tino Wildenhain wrote at 2005-6-17 10:57 +0200: ... Not at all. You could either have tried it out ;) Or looked at the DTML documentation in the Zope book *wink* ;) dtml-var expr=somemethod(parm1=value1,parm2=value2) Be warned: this is likely to cause loss of the namespace. Do not forget to

Re: [Zope] Passing parameters using DTML

2005-06-17 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Am Freitag, den 17.06.2005, 19:09 +0200 schrieb Dieter Maurer: Tino Wildenhain wrote at 2005-6-17 10:57 +0200: ... Not at all. You could either have tried it out ;) Or looked at the DTML documentation in the Zope book *wink* ;) dtml-var expr=somemethod(parm1=value1,parm2=value2) Be

[Zope] Blank page problem

2005-06-17 Thread Mike
Hello All, I'm currently running an intranet site using Zope and Plone and our users have been experiencing a very large number of blank pages (view source shows the html, head, and body tag, but that's it) on our site. From what I can tell, nothing relevent is appearing in the logs and

Re: [Zope] Passing parameters using DTML

2005-06-17 Thread John Poltorak
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 07:09:04PM +0200, Dieter Maurer wrote: Tino Wildenhain wrote at 2005-6-17 10:57 +0200: ... Not at all. You could either have tried it out ;) Or looked at the DTML documentation in the Zope book *wink* ;) dtml-var expr=somemethod(parm1=value1,parm2=value2) Be

Re: [Zope] Passing parameters using DTML

2005-06-17 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 17. Juni 2005 20:24:23 +0100 John Poltorak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there also something which explains how to call ZPTs from a DTML object? Do you have a good reason for mixing ZPT and DTML? -aj pgphTjDYprDSb.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [Zope] Passing parameters using DTML

2005-06-17 Thread John Poltorak
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 09:31:44PM +0200, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 17. Juni 2005 20:24:23 +0100 John Poltorak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there also something which explains how to call ZPTs from a DTML object? Do you have a good reason for mixing ZPT and DTML? Yes. I have a

Re: [Zope] Passing parameters using DTML

2005-06-17 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 17. Juni 2005 20:40:14 +0100 John Poltorak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: spending a few months learning something entirely different which only gurus can handle. This refers to what? -aj pgpRdMhEJ5aC2.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope

Re: [Zope] Passing parameters using DTML

2005-06-17 Thread J Cameron Cooper
John Poltorak wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 07:09:04PM +0200, Dieter Maurer wrote: Tino Wildenhain wrote at 2005-6-17 10:57 +0200: ... Not at all. You could either have tried it out ;) Or looked at the DTML documentation in the Zope book *wink* ;) dtml-var

Re: [Zope] Passing parameters using DTML

2005-06-17 Thread Paul Winkler
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 08:24:23PM +0100, John Poltorak wrote: Is there also something which explains how to call ZPTs from a DTML object? I'm unable to pick up a passed parameter. This is what I've conjured up:- python:here.lib.parse_file(file=context.options['parm'],sepr=',',clone=1)

Re: [Zope] Passing parameters using DTML

2005-06-17 Thread John Poltorak
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 05:07:32PM -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 08:24:23PM +0100, John Poltorak wrote: Is there also something which explains how to call ZPTs from a DTML object? I'm unable to pick up a passed parameter. This is what I've conjured up:-

Re: [Zope] Passing parameters using DTML

2005-06-17 Thread J Cameron Cooper
John Poltorak wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 05:07:32PM -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 08:24:23PM +0100, John Poltorak wrote: Is there also something which explains how to call ZPTs from a DTML object? I'm unable to pick up a passed parameter. This is what I've

Re: [Zope] Passing parameters using DTML

2005-06-17 Thread Paul Winkler
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 11:25:30PM +0100, John Poltorak wrote: This is what I have:- dtml-var expr=testlist(parm='myobjectname') I wish to get 'myobjectname' into this line in 'testlist' which is marked with * python:here.parse_file(file=context.**,sepr=',',clone=1)

[Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, Since Zope 2.8 has now been released, we can start talking about what would be in Zope 2.9. I have some ideas: * newer version of Five included (whatever version is current then) * Zope 3.1 included * Python 2.4 support I think these could all be accomplished without getting too

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Janko Hauser
Am 17.06.2005 um 11:45 schrieb Martijn Faassen: Hi there, Since Zope 2.8 has now been released, we can start talking about what would be in Zope 2.9. I have some ideas: * newer version of Five included (whatever version is current then) * Zope 3.1 included * Python 2.4 support +1

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 17. Juni 2005 11:45:49 +0200 Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, Since Zope 2.8 has now been released, we can start talking about what would be in Zope 2.9. I have some ideas: * newer version of Five included (whatever version is current then) * Zope 3.1 included *

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
I'd be happy if this was *all* that changed in Zope 2.9. This way we can release Zope 2.9 in the forseeable future, like, late this year. If Zope 3 is on track there will already be a Zope 3.2 release imminent by then, but I'm okay with Zope 2.x running a version behind in the name of

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 6/17/05, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do people think? Just an idea: One thing that would be interesting and increase the Z3 compatibility is to use traversing adapters, and then, of course, make a default adapter that implements Zope2 traversing for objects that does not

[Zope-dev] Re: [Z3lab] Nuxeo supports Zope Corp announces

2005-06-17 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: This is really great news! I am going to start working at getting Chalmers to be one of the key players in the foundation which would make the foundation even more vendor-neutral. I am confident that this will go through. This almost sounds as if the Foundation

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Z3lab] Nuxeo supports Zope Corp announces

2005-06-17 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 17. Juni 2005 13:04:17 +0200 Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: This is really great news! I am going to start working at getting Chalmers to be one of the key players in the foundation which would make the foundation even more

[Zope-dev] Re: [Z3lab] Nuxeo supports Zope Corp announces

2005-06-17 Thread Jean-Marc Orliaguet
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: This is really great news! I am going to start working at getting Chalmers to be one of the key players in the foundation which would make the foundation even more vendor-neutral. I am confident that this will go through. This

[Zope-dev] Re: [Z3lab] Nuxeo supports Zope Corp announces

2005-06-17 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: This is really great news! I am going to start working at getting Chalmers to be one of the key players in the foundation which would make the foundation even more vendor-neutral. I am confident that

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Z3lab] Nuxeo supports Zope Corp announces

2005-06-17 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Andreas Jung wrote: --On 17. Juni 2005 13:04:17 +0200 Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: This is really great news! I am going to start working at getting Chalmers to be one of the key players in the foundation which would make the foundation even

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Martijn Faassen
Andreas Jung wrote: [snip] Depending on how Zope 3.2 will be released it would be cool to have 2.9 shipped with Zope 3.2. I don#t know about the 3.2 release schedule. Possibly we could focus on a 2.9 release in fall (October)... I don't expect Zope 3.2 will be released by october. Jim is

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Z3lab] Nuxeo supports Zope Corp announces

2005-06-17 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 17. Juni 2005 13:29:33 +0200 Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: --On 17. Juni 2005 13:04:17 +0200 Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: This is really great news! I am going to start working at getting

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Martijn Faassen
Lennart Regebro wrote: On 6/17/05, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do people think? Just an idea: One thing that would be interesting and increase the Z3 compatibility is to use traversing adapters, and then, of course, make a default adapter that implements Zope2 traversing

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 17. Juni 2005 13:34:34 +0200 Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: [snip] Depending on how Zope 3.2 will be released it would be cool to have 2.9 shipped with Zope 3.2. I don#t know about the 3.2 release schedule. Possibly we could focus on a 2.9 release in

[Zope-dev] Re: [Z3lab] Nuxeo supports Zope Corp announces

2005-06-17 Thread Jean-Marc Orliaguet
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: This is really great news! I am going to start working at getting Chalmers to be one of the key players in the foundation which would make the foundation even more

[Zope-dev] Re: [Z3lab] Nuxeo supports Zope Corp announces

2005-06-17 Thread Stephan Richter
On Friday 17 June 2005 07:16, Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: Then when I look at the members of the Plone foundation ( http://plone.org/foundation/about/board/list ) I only see companies, except that ZC is not represented. So even if every member gets a vote, how much does that vote count in the

[Zope-dev] Re: [Z3lab] Nuxeo supports Zope Corp announces

2005-06-17 Thread Paul Everitt
On Jun 17, 2005, at 1:49 PM, Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: However, most members do not write code during their free time, do they? What happens when the members write code under working hours, their respective employers must well have something to say about it? The PF actually did research

[Zope-dev] Re: [Z3lab] Nuxeo supports Zope Corp announces

2005-06-17 Thread Paul Everitt
On Jun 17, 2005, at 1:52 PM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Friday 17 June 2005 07:16, Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: Then when I look at the members of the Plone foundation ( http://plone.org/foundation/about/board/list ) I only see companies, except that ZC is not represented. So even if every

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Jim Fulton
Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, Since Zope 2.8 has now been released, we can start talking about what would be in Zope 2.9. Yup. I'll just remind everybody that, starting with Zope 2.9 and Zope 3.2, we are switching to time based, rather than feature-based releases. We will make feature

[Zope-dev] Re: [Z3lab] Nuxeo supports Zope Corp announces

2005-06-17 Thread Paul Everitt
On Jun 17, 2005, at 2:49 PM, Stefane Fermigier wrote: Paul Everitt wrote: Other foundations approach things a bit differently. (I did quite a bit of research on this for the Plone Foundation.) Eric has done some research recently on the different successful Open Source / Free

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Jim Fulton
Max M wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: Further, we will coordinate the releases. Essentially, *Zope* is switching to a new release schedule. Zope will be released every 6 months and the releases will be in two parts, a Zope 2 part that includes the current Zope 3 and a Zope 3 part. Will they

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Martijn Faassen
Andreas Jung wrote: --On 17. Juni 2005 13:34:34 +0200 Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: [snip] Depending on how Zope 3.2 will be released it would be cool to have 2.9 shipped with Zope 3.2. I don#t know about the 3.2 release schedule. Possibly we could focus on

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: [snip] I'll just remind everybody that, starting with Zope 2.9 and Zope 3.2, we are switching to time based, rather than feature-based releases. We will make feature releases of Zope 2 and Zope 3 every 6 months, starting this December. I suggest a

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: Max M wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: Further, we will coordinate the releases. Essentially, *Zope* is switching to a new release schedule. Zope will be released every 6 months and the releases will be in two parts, a Zope 2 part that includes the current Zope 3 and a Zope 3

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Chris McDonough
On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 11:45 +0200, Martijn Faassen wrote: Then there's something I know little about, but is also believed planned for Zope 2.9: * blob storage, file iterators Thanks for mentioning this. I'd like to see blob storage get in before 2.9. I think it'd be a good candidate for

[Zope-dev] Re: Nuxeo supports Zope Corp announces

2005-06-17 Thread Stefane Fermigier
Has my message been rejected (from zope-dev) or not ? I'm confused. S. Stefane Fermigier wrote: Paul Everitt wrote: Other foundations approach things a bit differently. (I did quite a bit of research on this for the Plone Foundation.) Eric has done some research recently on the

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Z3lab] Nuxeo supports Zope Corp announces

2005-06-17 Thread Chris McDonough
On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 07:52 -0400, Stephan Richter wrote: Also, I agree with Andreas and Philipp that developers should be members, not companies. Otherwise, how could I, as an independent developer, have a say? BTW, this is also positive for companies, since they can have several

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Jim Fulton
Martijn Faassen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: [snip] I'll just remind everybody that, starting with Zope 2.9 and Zope 3.2, we are switching to time based, rather than feature-based releases. We will make feature releases of Zope 2 and Zope 3 every 6 months, starting this

[Zope-dev] Re: [Z3lab] Nuxeo supports Zope Corp announces

2005-06-17 Thread Stefane Fermigier
Stefane Fermigier wrote: I hope we will be able to discuss this further next week, but also that these discussions will be able to procede with the technical side of things during the sprint next week. s/with/alongside/ Sorry for my poor english. Remember that some of us are not native

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Chris McDonough
On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 15:54 +0200, Andreas Jung wrote: - the trunk is no longer a development area. Developments must happen on branches and will be merged into the trunk as soon as the stuff is stable. I won't be acceptable to have half-baked stuff in the trunk. This will hold up the

[Zope-dev] Zope(ish) Windows services vs shutdown

2005-06-17 Thread Tim Peters
I rewrote ZRS's Windows service code to use the new named events set by current versions of Zope's nt_svcutils/service.py. Overall, this works really slick, but with a glitch: the ZRS log files suggest that the signal events never get set when Windows is shutting down, they only fire when the

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Jim Fulton
Chris McDonough wrote: On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 15:54 +0200, Andreas Jung wrote: - the trunk is no longer a development area. Developments must happen on branches and will be merged into the trunk as soon as the stuff is stable. I won't be acceptable to have half-baked stuff in the trunk. This

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Florent Guillaume
Just an idea: One thing that would be interesting and increase the Z3 compatibility is to use traversing adapters, and then, of course, make a default adapter that implements Zope2 traversing for objects that does not have a traversing adapter. Stupid or brilliant? :) I know

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Jim Fulton
Chris McDonough wrote: On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 11:45 +0200, Martijn Faassen wrote: Then there's something I know little about, but is also believed planned for Zope 2.9: * blob storage, file iterators Thanks for mentioning this. I'd like to see blob storage get in before 2.9. I think it'd

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 17. Juni 2005 10:04:41 -0400 Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 15:54 +0200, Andreas Jung wrote: - the trunk is no longer a development area. Developments must happen on branches and will be merged into the trunk as soon as the stuff is stable. I won't be

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Jim Fulton
Florent Guillaume wrote: Just an idea: One thing that would be interesting and increase the Z3 compatibility is to use traversing adapters, and then, of course, make a default adapter that implements Zope2 traversing for objects that does not have a traversing adapter. Stupid or brilliant? :)

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 6/17/05, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The rule for Zope 3 has been that the trunk needs to be stable, but that isn't enough. I think the rule should be that the trunk should be ready to make a beta release at any time. +1e79 -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Chris McDonough
On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 10:12 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: Thanks for mentioning this. I'd like to see blob storage get in before 2.9. I think it'd be a good candidate for a 2.8-dot release because it's backwards compatible and optional. It ahould be done (needs a bit more testing and some

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Jim Fulton
Chris McDonough wrote: On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 10:12 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: ... We have historically always had the opportunity to introduce features that preserve 100% b/c (like filestream iterators) in point releases. This has worked pretty well for the last few years. I wasn't aware of

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Chris McDonough
On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 11:04 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: Chris McDonough wrote: On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 10:12 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: ... We have historically always had the opportunity to introduce features that preserve 100% b/c (like filestream iterators) in point releases. This has

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Jim Fulton
Martijn Faassen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: Max M wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: Further, we will coordinate the releases. Essentially, *Zope* is switching to a new release schedule. Zope will be released every 6 months and the releases will be in two parts, a Zope 2 part that includes the

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Paul Winkler
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 10:28:11AM -0400, Chris McDonough wrote: We have historically always had the opportunity to introduce features that preserve 100% b/c (like filestream iterators) in point releases. This has worked pretty well for the last few years. Strongly agree. By my count there

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Chris McDonough
On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 12:00 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 10:28:11AM -0400, Chris McDonough wrote: We have historically always had the opportunity to introduce features that preserve 100% b/c (like filestream iterators) in point releases. This has worked pretty well for

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Jim Fulton
Paul Winkler wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 10:28:11AM -0400, Chris McDonough wrote: We have historically always had the opportunity to introduce features that preserve 100% b/c (like filestream iterators) in point releases. This has worked pretty well for the last few years. Strongly

[Zope-dev] Zope Corporation's Initial Reaction on the ZF Comments

2005-06-17 Thread Hadar Pedhazur
My first attempt to post to this list bounced, because I'm not a subscriber. Jim enabled me to post, so I'm resending, without cc'ing the z3lab list again. If you hit reply-all, please add [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the cc list (if you're allowed to post there as well :-) Hi all. Whew, lots of

[Zope-dev] Re: Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: Chris McDonough wrote: On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 10:12 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: ... We have historically always had the opportunity to introduce features that preserve 100% b/c (like filestream iterators) in point releases.

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Jim Fulton
Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: Chris McDonough wrote: On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 10:12 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: ... We have historically always had the opportunity to introduce features that preserve 100% b/c (like filestream iterators)

[Zope-dev] Re: [Z3lab] Zope Corporation's Initial Reaction on the ZF Comments

2005-06-17 Thread Jim Fulton
Hadar Pedhazur wrote: ... I can't think of any open source foundation that has company voting in the governance. There is a role for companies, as sponsors. But, not in the governance. Stefane pointed out the Eclipse Foundation already, so it's a little surprising that you are still looking

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: Chris McDonough wrote: On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 10:12 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: ... We have historically always had the opportunity to

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Tim Peters
[Tres Seaver] Agreed, in theory. In practice, the usual handwave has been to construe the absence of the feature as a bug (with greater or lesser justification). Like that's going to change wink. Perhaps we can be more hard-nosed about a no new features in third-dot releases policy *after*

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Jim Fulton
Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: Chris McDonough wrote: On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 10:12 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: ... We have historically always

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Chris McDonough
On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 13:00 -0400, Tim Peters wrote: [Tres Seaver] Agreed, in theory. In practice, the usual handwave has been to construe the absence of the feature as a bug (with greater or lesser justification). Like that's going to change wink. Over the last year Tres, Andreas, Tim,

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Z3lab] Nuxeo supports Zope Corp announces

2005-06-17 Thread Jean-Marc Orliaguet
Chris McDonough wrote: On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 07:52 -0400, Stephan Richter wrote: Also, I agree with Andreas and Philipp that developers should be members, not companies. Otherwise, how could I, as an independent developer, have a say? BTW, this is also positive for companies, since they can

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 17. Juni 2005 13:17:13 -0400 Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Policy aside, I trust all of these people implicitly to do the right thing with judging whether a feature should make it into a dot release and I wouldn't complain any of them snuck a minor feature into one. If one

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 goals

2005-06-17 Thread Paul Winkler
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 12:17:27PM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: Fortunately, we'll be making feature releases every 6 months, so this should not be a problem. OK. Assuming the new release process works as intended, fine w/ me. Maybe this should be clarified on the SVN / CVS FAQ pages? -- Paul

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Corporation's Initial Reaction on the ZF Comments

2005-06-17 Thread Chris McDonough
I found this interesting enough to look into anyway... for anybody who is interested, here's the scoop. CA has 2 seats out of 9 on the Plone Foundation board. Apparently there's special treatment of these seats via http://plone.org/foundation/about/board/special_seats which is mostly a perk to

[Zope-dev] Re: [Z3lab] Nuxeo supports Zope Corp announces

2005-06-17 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Chris McDonough wrote: On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 07:52 -0400, Stephan Richter wrote: Also, I agree with Andreas and Philipp that developers should be members, not companies. Otherwise, how could I, as an independent developer, have a say? BTW, this is also positive for companies, since they can

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Corporation's Initial Reaction on the ZF Comments

2005-06-17 Thread Tim Peters
[Chris McDonough] ... The Apache Software Foundation has 9 members (http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/). Their board of directors has 9 members, but the ASF has many more members than that: http://www.apache.org/foundation/members.html I don't recognize all the names, but at least

[Zope-dev] RE: Zope(ish) Windows services vs shutdown

2005-06-17 Thread Mark Hammond
[Tim] So, best guesses (please scream where I'm wrong): - This is because service.py doesn't define a SvcShutdown method, just a SvcStop method, - It's a good idea to add a SvcShutdown method to service.py. - It would suffice to add SvcShutdown = SvcStop to service.py. If

[Zope-dev] Re: [Z3lab] Nuxeo supports Zope Corp announces

2005-06-17 Thread Chris McDonough
On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 23:05 +0200, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: From what I read from Rob in an interview in LWN, membership to the foundation will be funded by membership dues. Given that any actual facts and further discussions involving ZC have been postponed to the IRC chat on

Re: [Zope-PAS] Re: Test fixes for pre-1.1 release

2005-06-17 Thread Janko Hauser
Am 17.06.2005 um 17:55 schrieb Zachery Bir: I'm working on the head with some unchecked-in changes. The current head incorporates the initial work in demangling ids. Thanks for the info. __Janko ___ Zope-PAS mailing list Zope-PAS@zope.org