[cia-drugs] Re: 9/11: Gov. Jesse Ventura Has Doubts In Official 9/11 Story
I dearly love Jesse's skepticism about 911; however, I could never understand why he dicked around when he was Gov. of Minn.. He actually refereed a WWF match. At the time I sent him a letter stating that he was given one chance in a million when the people of Minn. elected him and that he should stop F*cking around and do some good. Jesse could have done us all a big favor on the Predator shoot, but, Alas, Ahhnold is now the Governor of Ca. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=62964 9/11: Gov. Jesse Ventura Has Doubts In Official 9/11 Story Gov. Ventura wants 9/11 truth on air defense Total 411 Info/Black OP Radio -Friday, August 20, 2004 Jesse Ventura is discussing a rather large problem with the official 9/11 chronology. This audio clip is from Black Op Radio (July 22nd) BLACK OP RADIO HOST ANITA LANGLEY: On the current situation, do you see any parallels [to the JFK assassination] with the way the 9/11 has been treated? FORMER MINNESOTA GOVERNOR JESSE VENTURA: Well, you know... At first, again, I wanted to believe 9/11, you know. But the problem I have with 9/11 is just a real simple one. I'm trying to figure out -- and of course they're now attempting to answer it somewhat -- how we could have failed so miserably in not having air defense. Because if you look back particulalrly -- I don't know if you're familiar -- remember Payne Stewart, the golfer? LANGLEY: Yeah, that's been brought up a few times on this program... GOV. VENTURA: He was flying in a private jet. And when they had that mechanical malfunction that apparently killed everyone on board, and the jet was up there flying on automatic pilot; well it only took them a matter of minutes to scramble a fighter jet and have it up there on the wing. And had Mr. Stewart's plane, if it looked like it was going to go down and hit a metropolitan area, of course they would blow it out of the air. But when they saw it was just going to land in a field in Nebraska [sic. - actually South Dakota], why they just let it go down and crash on its own. And the problem I have with 9/11 is that. Where the heck was our defense? Who was sleeping at the wheel? While all of these planes... I mean, I've been to air traffic control when I was Governor, and you've got a dozen people there looking at these dials, watching every plane in their sector. They know where it's going and they know what direction it's supposed to be going. Now, how is it that these planes were able to be hijacked at half hour intervals, turned directly opposite the way they're supposed to be going and no bells went off, no emergency sirens went off, no fighter jets were scrambled? Just what the hell happened in that area of time?! And that's the part that troubles me about 9/11. HOST LEN OSANIC: Yeah, I find it troubling that the Pentagon got hit at all. GOV. VENTURA: Yeah, I mean, here's the Pentagon, the head of our military. How was this plane able to circle the city of Baltimore [sic. - actually Arlington] at least once, picking out a target, and then drive into it, and we didn't have -- nothing up in the air? There wasn't one scrambled fighter jet up there to defend in any way, shape, or form? Wow. OSANIC: Or a missle battery to defend the Pentagon... GOV VENTURA: Yeah. Anything, anything! And the thing that troubles me about the Bush Administration, nobody ever gets fired... (1 image) Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Rove is the key to Bush downfall.
If the rumors regarding Rove's Plame leak are true, then these bastards have finally jumped the shark and the entertaining recrimination phase can begin in earnest. It will be such fun to watch these pompous assholes go splat on the pavement. Rove is the key to all of this. This kind of reminds me of that scene in Starship Troopers when they capture the Brain Bug. MSNBC Analyst Says Cooper Documents Reveal Karl Rove as Source in Plame Case By EP Staff Published: July 01, 2005 11:30 PM ET NEW YORK Now that Time Inc. has turned over documents to federal court, presumably revealing who its reporter, Matt Cooper, identified as his source in the Valerie Plame/CIA case, speculation runs rampant on the name of that source, and what might happen to him or her. Tonight, on the syndicated McLaughlin Group political talk show, Lawrence O'Donnell, senior MSNBC political analyst, claimed to know that name--and it is, according to him, top White House mastermind Karl Rove. Here is the transcript of O'Donnell's remarks: What we're going to go to now in the next stage, when Matt Cooper's e-mails, within Time Magazine, are handed over to the grand jury, the ultimate revelation, probably within the week of who his source is. And I know I'm going to get pulled into the grand jury for saying this but the source of...for Matt Cooper was Karl Rove, and that will be revealed in this document dump that Time magazine's going to do with the grand jury. Other panelists then joined in discussing whether, if true, this would suggest a perjury rap for Rove, if he told the grand jury he did not leak to Cooper. Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Hell hath no fury............
'Bomb Teheran!' Urges Jilted Condi? By Alexander Cockburn 7-3-5 An Iranian MP said Thursday that US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice holds a grudge against Iran because until today she hasn't gotten over her Iranian boyfriend dumping her when she was a university student. The MP, Shakrallah Atar, claimed the faithless lad was from Kazwin , some eighty miles west of Teherean. Atar said his source was a female MP whose name he would not disclose. Reporting this story the London-based Al Quds Al Arabi commented that This is not the first time that Iranians used romantic reasons for diplomatic stands. Last year, the newspaper said, rumors spread that the German foreign minister Youshka Fisher's tone had tightened against Iran because he was having an affair with an Iranian young girl who was against the Iranian regime. Other rumors, the newspaper said, indicated that the head of the IAEA, Mohammed Al Baradia's soft stance with regards to the Iranian nuclear file was because he had an Iranian wife. So just add the claim to the bulging Condee file, already ripe with allegations ranging from intimacy with the Commander in Chief to her Sapphic preference. http://www.counterpunch.org Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ctrl] Fwd: [cia-drugs] How Gonzocon Bob distorts evidence
Webfairy, You mean all of your posts with wiolawa72 and the smith brothers coughdrop scalar weapons platform and the solarized reptilians are gone!!! How dare they! I once let Kris know that when you and T Casey Brennan did your web enabled rondezvous that I felt like a passerby watching a shopping bag lady and a derelict making out in an alley. So how's Sean McBride treating you? Mcurb... --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps Bob is embarrassed to have contribuited the information about Harbo to the No Planes Movement. It certainly is a clue that they had planned the Small Plane Hangout from the beginning. Will the CIA-Drugs archives at sitbot.net recover from the attempt to Orwellize by removing my posts? The roughly 3000 posts I made are now archived at http://thewebfairy.com/911/cia-drugs which isn't as pretty as sitbot.net, but more useful, lately. RoadsEnd wrote: Begin forwarded message: *From: *Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Date: *July 3, 2005 7:51:52 PM PDT *To: *undisclosed-recipients:; *Subject: **[cia-drugs] How Holmgren distorts evidence* *Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:cia- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lt Col Art Holbo's nazi hoes are taking Joel Sucherman out of the video where he stands with Mike Walter and completes Walter's testimony. I see Mike Walter point to the Rt 27 overpass a few feet away, give his account, then Joel Sucherman takes over to describe the crash. Funny, Gerard Holmgren and Brian Gumbel are nowhere to be seen. Similar to the DVD where the fire hose or foam spray obscures the wing hole in the Pentagon west wall, while Holbo's devotee narrates that the hole(the upper fuselage hole) is too small for AA77, the Boeing 757 which was seen to crash there. Are you tired of fuzzy bin Laden videos and bloodless beheading videos and planeless small plane videos? Well Holmgren has a Sucherman-Walter video for you with no Joel Sucherman in it, but a lot of some fuzzy, bloodless, plane-less spin doctor in it. Nothing is left to the prurient imagination unless you take Joel Sucherman out of the video. They walk the very ground, on camera, about which Gerard Holmgren meanly puffs and poses in his pedantic effort to fulfil propaganda officer Holbo's deepest yearnings and wildest fantasies. Or, to use his metaphor, Holmgren cherrypicks by choosing to hear from Walter alone, not Sucherman and Walter in tandem, when they are featured in the same video, walking the ground together about which Holmgren and Ibid Ferry feign to inform us. That's the local DC channel 9 Eyewitness news video from minutes after the crash, where Lt Col Art Holbo, USAF propaganda officer, preps for his nazi ho Pentagon small-plane Big Lie security cam video which could not be released until FBI mopped up all local area security cam videos, USAF's small plane vid showing us as much small plane as a Nick Berg beheading shows blood, then these nazi hoes suck Holbo's toes by cherry-picking which videos, which witnesses from the same frame, as we have to put up with Ibid Ferry's life of federal corruption coverup. Do not forsake me, oh my darling, ever blinkered nightful nazi hoes, for whom your tumbrels really roll. Blinkered night his window broke. More HMX from sidewalk nazi hoes, shanghai sunshine willing no one. ...Bring It On. -Bob Rosalee Grable wrote: http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/154107#154726 How Hoffman distorts evidence by *Gerard Holmgren* .. Mike Walter's account: I mean it was like a cruise missile with wings. It went right there and slammed right into the Pentagon. while leaving out the earlier part of his account: I looked out my window and I saw this plane, this jet, an American Airlines jet, coming. And I thought, 'This doesn't add up, it's really low.' In the context of his full account, it is clear that Walter was using cruise missile with wings to describe the way the plane was being flown, not the kind of plane he saw. ]]. http://members.iinet.net.au/~holmgren/witness2.html http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Eholmgren/witness2.html http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Eholmgren/witness2.html Below is a summary of what my research on Walter found, but I recommend reading the link above to get the full picture Hoffman says In the context of his full account... And exactly *which* full account would that be, Jim ? Perhaps the one where he told Bryant Gumbel that he saw a full on impact, I was on an elevated area of Highway 27 and I had a very good view. I was stuck in traffic. We weren't moving and--and I could see over in the distance the American Airlines jet as it kind of banked around, pivoted and then took a steep dive right into the Pentagon. and then when
[cia-drugs] Deep background on the middle east (a)
Palmerston launches Young Turks to permanently control Middle East by Joseph Brewda Chorus: It is clear that the B'nai B'rith is an abject tool of British intelligence, run and directed to serve the interests of British imperial policy, and not the interests of Jews, nor even of B'nai B'rith members. The one peculiarity of B'nai B'rith in comparison to the other organizations launched by Palmerston and his three stooges, is that B'nai B'rith will be used for a wider variety of tasks in various countries and epochs. Therefore, the B'nai B'rith will be more permanent in its continuous organization than its Mazzinian counterparts, among which it stands out as the most specialized. At the end of this century, one of the tasks assigned to the B'nai B'rith will be to direct, with the help of other Mazzinian agents, the dismemberment and partition of the Ottoman Empire. This is the state the British will call the sick man of Europe. Historically, the Ottoman Empire offers surprising tolerance to its ethnic minorities. In order to blow up the empire, that will have to be changed into brutal racial oppression on the Mazzini model. In 1862, during the time of the American Civil War, Mazzini will call on all his agents anywhere near Russia to foment revolt as a way of causing trouble for Alexander II. A bit later, with the help of Young Poland, Mazzini will start a Young Ottoman movement out of an Adam Smith translation project in Paris. In 1876, the Young Ottomans will briefly seize power in Constantinople. They will end a debt moratorium, pay off the British, declare free trade, and bring in Anglo-French bankers. They will be quickly overthrown; but the same network will soon make a comeback as the Young Turks, whose rule will finally destroy the Ottoman Empire. In 1908, the Committee for Union and Progress, better known as the Young Turks, carried out a military coup, overthrew the sultan, and took power in the Ottoman Turkish empire. Once in power, they carried out a racist campaign of suppressing all non-Turkish minorities. Within four years, their anti-minority campaigns provoked the Balkan wars of 1912-13, among Turkey, Greece, Bulgaria, and Serbia. By 1914, these wars had triggered World War I, with Turkey becoming an ally of Germany. Within seven years of coming into power, the Young Turks destroyed the Ottoman Empire. British intelligence had manipulated every nationalist group in the Empire, both the Young Turks, and their opponents. When the Young Turks took power, the Ottoman Empire still included Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Palestine, and the Arabian Peninsula. The empire still included much of the Balkans: half of Greece, half of Bulgaria, half of Serbia, and all of Albania. Its land area was much bigger than present-day Turkey. Although most of the population of the Ottoman empire were Turks, there were also large numbers of Slavs, Greeks, Arabs, Armenians, and Kurds. The Ottoman empire was a multi-ethnic empire, as were the nearby Austrian and Russian empires. The Young Turks came to power waving the banner of democracy, but they soon picked up the banner of pan-Turkism. The idea was to form a state that included all the Turkic peoples of Asia. Since half of these people lived in Russia, this policy meant a collision with Russia. But pan-Turkism was not created by the Young Turks or even in Turkey. It was first called for in the 1860s by a Hungarian Zionist named Arminius Vambery, who had become an adviser to the sultan, but who secretly worked for Lord Palmerston and the British Foreign Office. Vambery later tried to broker a deal between the Zionist leader Theodor Herzl and the sultan, over the creation of Israel. The Young Turks also raised the banner of a pan-Islamic state. The idea was to bring all the Muslim peoples of the world into one empire, whether or not they were Turkish. This was another goal that meant conflict with Russia. This idea was also not created by the Young Turks or in Turkey. It was first called for in the 1870s by an English nobleman named Wilfred Blunt, whose family had created the Bank of England. Blunt was a top British intelligence official who advocated using Islam to destroy Russia. Blunt's family later patronized the British KGB spy Kim Philby. While the Young Turks were pushing the pan-Turkic and pan-Islamic movements, the British were also boosting all the anti-Turkish independence movements within the empire. They were supporting Arab nationalism, led by Lawrence of Arabia. They were supporting Serbian nationalism, led by the British agent Seton-Watson; Albanian nationalism, led by Lady Dunham; and Bulgarian nationalism, led by Noel Buxton. All of these peoples wanted to break free from the Ottoman Empire; but they also claimed the land of their neighbors. For example, the British supported the idea of carving a Greater Armenia out of Turkey, Iran, and Russia. This Greater Armenia had no
[cia-drugs] England manipulates the American South
America's 'Young America' movement: slaveholders and the B'nai B'rith by Anton Chaitkin Chorus: Ten years from now, in 1860, Lord Palmerston's quest for world empire will enter its most critical phase: the American Civil War, provoked by Young America and other pro-British networks. A French army will be in Mexico, propping up Maximilian. Britain will ready the fleet and send troops to Canada. The only support for Lincoln's beleaguered Union will come from the Russian Empire of Czar Alexander II, with two Russian fleets being sent to American ports in 1863 with orders from the czar to join Lincoln in fighting Britain and France should general war break out. Mazzini, Urquhart, and their assets will pull out all the stops to isolate Russia and blow up eastern Europe. In the midst of these preparations, we have the emergence of Young IsraelB'nai B'rithas an ideal British weapon against both the United States and Russia, and also against other nations. Lord Palmerston's interest in Zionism was stimulated during the Middle East crisis of 1840, when France backed a rebellious satrap of the Ottoman sultan. The British found that while the French were the official protectors of the Roman Catholics in the Turkish Empire, and the Russians the patrons of the Orthodox, the British had no group of Anglicans or Puritans to sponsor. The British turned their attention to Armenians and Jews. Palmerston ordered British diplomats to take Jewish communities under their protection, since Britain was the natural guardian of the Jews. This gave the British a foot in the door in the Middle East, and also in Russia, including Russian Poland, where 50% of world Jewry then resided. At this time, Palmerston's son-in-law, the Earl of Shaftesbury, wrote that it may be safely asserted that [the Jews] contemplate a restoration to the soil of Palestine. Shaftesbury was talking through his hat: He admitted that many Jews will prefer a seat in the House of Commons in England to a seat under their vines and fig trees in Palestine. But the British resolve to settle Jews in Palestine was clear. The founder of Zionism in its modern, British-sponsored form is not Theodor Herzl, but a certain Moses Hess. Hess converted Friedrich Engels to communism, and wrote parts of Marx's German Ideology. In 1861, Hess will write Rome and Jerusalem, which attacks Moses Mendelssohn for the idea that Judaism is a religion and a culture. For Hess, Judaism is a race in Mazzini's blood-and-soil sense, and therefore must have a homeland. Yet another of Palmerston's theme parks will open its doors. In the B'nai B'rith's official, authorized history, it says: B'nai B'rith's relationship to the Civil War presents something of a mystery. They say that the arrest of the B'nai B'rith's leader in Washington as a Confederate spymaster was unfair. They say that no one can account for why the group was not pro-Union, whereas most Jews were pro-Union, and B'nai B'rith's lodges were almost all located in the North. Indeed, Jewish soldiers in the Union Army were intensely proud, mostly German-speaking immigrant, anti-slavery Republicans. To solve the mystery, we go back 20 years before the start of the American Civil War. British Foreign Minister Palmerston launched Zionism in 1840. He wrote that the Jews desired to return to Palestine (Abba Eban points out that the Jews knew nothing about this); and a month later, the British landed troops in Palestine for the first time. B'nai B'rith was started officially in 1843 by some obscure Freemasons in New York, as a secret society like Freemasonry for Jews. B'nai B'rith was to shape and lead a particular political faction, with a particular agenda, within the Jewish community. The agenda for this project came out in a famous speech given two years later at South Carolina College. The speaker was Edwin DeLeon, from a Jewish family in South Carolina that was already notorious for its involvement in the slave trade and in Scottish Rite Freemasonry. DeLeon was later a leader of the Confederate Secret Service. DeLeon praised his teacher at the school, Thomas Cooper, an English atheist and Lord Shelburne's adventurer, who had first proposed that the South secede from the Union. DeLeon hailed Cooper as a tender- hearted religious heretic and an earnest ... disciple of the school of Bentham and Malthus. DeLeon said, There is a 'Young Germany,' a 'Young France,' and a 'Young England'and why not a 'Young America'? He told the students: Any great civil convulsion comes from a source that is unexpected and obscure. In the French Revolution, the priests and nobles were only the flax with which the flame was kindled. But those who first applied the spark were the filthy, obscure savants of the Englightenment. DeLeon reminded the students that the actors in that drama were only its creatures, not its creators. He then proposed revolutionary military action as the
[cia-drugs] New info from Dan Hopsicker (Madcowprod.com)
This is being sent on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] as part of the mailing list that you joined. List: TheMadCowMorningNews URL: http://www.madcowprod.com Were the 9.11 hijackers conected in America with indiViduals who have been part of any other events resulting in mass casualties? What does San Diego,CA., where U.S. Rep Randy 'Duke' Cunningham's home was just searched by Federal Agents, have in common with whitebread Sarasota,FL., home to Republican Top Gun Katherine Harris? Why are both cities Must See stops on any TerrorLand Tour? How is it that a tiny Defense contractor--which went from zero dollars in Federal contracts to $169 million in the blink of an eye--was greasing Cunningham's palm while at the same time becoming the largest campaign contributor of a woman running for Congress for the first time? Watch a MadCowMorningNews Show special from San Diego, and find out. www.madcowprod.com The MadCowMorningNews Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: Woman, Thou Art Eight Years Old
Bob, Sorry to burden you with all the Palmerston stuff, but I just found it so interesting. It is the behind the scenes stuff that set the stage for what is happening this very day. I still remember when Daniel Hopsicker complimented you on using the term pre-destabilized in one of your rants. I think you've got this stream of consciousness thing down to a science - sort of like a jazz fugue as interpreted by William S. Burroughs. Still, it is very hard not to be impressed by Arabs who are so willing to sacrifice their lives to drive out the infidels. Mark --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just realized how I could make a million bucks for the Venetian banker-slavers who take it back according to Noam Chomsky's theory of advertising bondage as universal as Ghengis' genocidal intake of gold for the Venetian bankers. I could become a distinguished victim of new mongol mercenary genocidal looters--one who is at least robbed before the husk is not even recycled due to lack of gold dental work(it just falls off after six months anyway) --an honor to savor for a moment before the inevitable unwise choice in doomed consumerism (Don't get punked for your loot, silly eight-year-old tough guy punked by advertising). I was listening to the muslim HMX consumers talking out the American hypnagogry that compels them to give back everything including their Bushwhacker Pinochet HMX roadside bombs and bus bombs. They must have been watching CIA puppet TV in a foreign language when they rolled up to those 1980's CIA warehouses with a hundred trucks and looted the HMX, not even noticing the Made In USA wire-cutters left at the scene by hastily departing US airborne troops playing the Venetian game unawares, for their president, whose father sold the HMX like his father who managed Hitler's economy, then set up CIA to do the Venetian warmonger thing here, there, and everywhere. If not in Kansas, how about Oklahoma or New York? Who could believe it would be happening in Washington, DC? I was listening to all this recruitment talk about killing for Jesus, knowing that what releasing the HMX was about was making two sides, the old Venetian ploy of financing and wooing both ends of every game. I looked at five seconds of T.D. Jakes' stage show, which is about how long I listen to any teacher before I drift off into Ritalin candidacy, but this time, instead of snorting my Ritalin--I always snort it because that is my way of telling the world I'm not on welfare, I didn't get it for free, I worked for it and bought it on the street from school kids, little Venetian bankers on the way up, nice kids. Anyway, I got to thinking in the forbidden way, and I immediately found a nugget not a yard off the Bataan Death March, beyond Broadway's confetti and all those roses and full suitcases that seem to embrace in poignant explanation of each other's excuses. Here it is. Noam Chomsky's consumer slave victims of psychological and financial genocide through compliance always show up with a full suitcase, then they drop it when they see the creditcard showers, because they believe they still own it and they can trust that nice Venetian or Mongolian surrogate officer in the blue pin stripe suit. That's how they give it up--they're only eight years old and they've never known anything else. I could tell them, but they'd kill me unheard under their thundering stampede to give all their drug and mugging loot, strongly, independently, assertively, uniquely, pressing their money on the wampum man, dooming not only themselves but their progeny as well, for generations. Who needs Attila when even the toughest street criminal will give it all up according to Noam Chomsky's theory of the American eight year old? She'll even kill for Jesus and not even remember. Who needs Ghengis when the Venetian bankers have that eight year old girl who murdered two hundred thousand indians in Guatemala and close to a million in Indonesia? If anything goes wrong, distract them with a confession that your eight your old boy Kurtz killed 40,000 in Vietnam--just a bed time story to lull the real genocidal assassin back to MK bliss. When you wake up you will not remember any of this, and you will joyfully eject all valuables into this nicely decorated BAG. Bottom line is I've never tried it myself, I've never been that kind of person, the kind who is surprised by the Black Plague and speculative bubble collapse of 1340. I'm twelve, it's all good. Those eight-year-olds need to grow up. That's my program. I've been twelve since they killed JFK, RFK, MLK, and still when they flew my eleven year old buddy Rodney Dickens into the Pentagon. There is no organized crime in America, said J. Edgar Hoover, FBI Director who took payoffs through gambling winnings and spent a two week vacation every summer with the mob at
[cia-drugs] mo' better bombs 7/7 7/21
seems like rove is finally getting some much needed distraction. i guess surveillance cameras do not really protect you from terrorists. Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] CNN'S EASON JORDAN RESIGNS
Here is an AP Story. Here is CNN's account. And Howard Kurtz's. See Instapundit. This is the statement Eason Jordan released tonight around 6:00 pm EST: After 23 years at CNN, I have decided to resign in an effort to prevent CNN from being unfairly tarnished by the controversy over conflicting accounts of my recent remarks regarding the alarming number of journalists killed in Iraq. I have devoted my professional life to helping make CNN the most trusted and respected news outlet in the world, and I would never do anything to compromise my work or that of the thousands of talented people it is my honor to work alongside. While my CNN colleagues and my friends in the U.S. military know me well enough to know I have never stated, believed, or suspected that U.S. military forces intended to kill people they knew to be journalists, my comments on this subject in a World Economic Forum panel discussion were not as clear as they should have been. I never meant to imply U.S. forces acted with ill intent when U.S. forces accidentally killed journalists, and I apologize to anyone who thought I said or believed otherwise. I have great admiration and respect for the men and women of the U.S. armed forces, with whom I have worked closely and been embedded in Baghdad, Tikrit, and Mosul, in addition to my time with American soldiers, sailors, Marines, and airmen in Afghanistan, former Yugoslavia, Somalia, Kuwait, Bahrain, and the Arabian Gulf. As for my colleagues at CNN, I am enormously proud to have worked with you, risking my life in the trenches with you, and making CNN great with you. For that experience, and for your friendship and support these many years, I thank you. I told Howard Kurtz I was surprised and didn't know of any firing offense. Of course I haven't seen the tape. 11pm: Kurt'z story is out: Eason Jordan resigned last night as CNN's chief news executive in an effort to quell a bubbling controversy over his remarks about U.S. soldiers killing journalists in Iraq. Read it. He quotes me correctly: Jay Rosen [said] he didn't think Jordan had engaged in a firing offense. Bloggers made a lot of noise about the Jordan flap, Rosen said. But there was basic reporting going on finding the people who were there, getting them to make statements, comparing one account to another along with accusations and conspiracy thinking and the politics of paranoia and attacks on the MSM, or mainstream media. Here's one try at an explanation. The primary sources are my earlier post on Jordan's job being political and diplomatic (the Colin Powell of the news division but very definitely a journalist by tribal affiliation); plus the comments of Rebecca MacKinnon; and this comment from a veteran journalist in tonight's thread, otherwise nameless. It also picks up from the terse Glenn Reynolds: I think we know what the video would have shown, now. It's only a possible explanation, but plausible in my view. The tape had to be a disaster. But what kind? When Jordan and others at CNN looked at it, they must have seen a man making statements that went beyond what the network had been able to prove in its news reporting. He had wandered into the territory of assertion, some hearsay, and of things you feel you know are true even though you can't get anyone on the record to say it. By speaking in this way before an audience of influentials, Jordan allowed there to be (some) daylight between the military reporting the rest of the world had seen on CNN and the report that Jordan, its chief news executive, was willing to offer the in crowd in Davos. But there can never be that daylight. As veteran journo said: If the standard of proof wasn't good enough to get it on CNN, it's not good enough to discuss at a forum in Davos. Ordinarily the lapse would not be noticed, and would not become public. That was before the WEF created a participants' blog. Rebecca MacKinnon, who once worked for Eason Jordan at CNN (bio): I think Eason Jordan resigned because he knew that if the Davos tape came out it would make the situation worse, not better. (Worse because the lower standard of proof is plainly in evidence at certain moments.) Her post is a must. I know there are a number of people involved with the World Economic Forum who think the WEF needs to completely re-think its media/blogging and on/off record policies. It was a great thing that the WEF started a blog this year, inviting conference participants to post their impressions and thoughts. I encouraged them to do this. Unfortunately, the WEF's operating norms are not compatible with the age of the blog. Jordan's demise is the frightening result. Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL
[cia-drugs] 911 flt93 tkt bought from OK U library computer
More stuff that doesn't fit. Boren is skull and bones, by the way! http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=7305 KOCO-TV Suppresses an Explosive 9/11 News Report 9 comment(s). I have not been keeping this a secret all this time. I started putting this information online at my own website in December 2002. In the fall of 2001, a librarian at the University of Oklahoma in Norman (OU) told me that she was present when the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) conducted an interview about the fact that an airline ticket for a 9/11 hijacker was purchased from a computer terminal at that school's library. She said it was for United Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania. This is very important. The purchaser was not a hijacker. He was a white American male and a temporary library employee. Apparently the FBI already knew the IP address of the terminal, and with that evidence librarians were able to locate it in the facility. The librarian speculated that he was a neo-Nazi who shared Al-Qaeda's hatred for Israel. Months passed, and no one was ever arrested for this. I began to suspect that the purchaser was a covert CIA operative infiltrating Al Qaeda, and that immunity from arrest was quietly arranged for him later. In response to Freedom of Information Act requests, the FBI has refused to identify him and will not answer the question about whether he was arrested. They have stated that the requested material is located in an investigative file which pertains to a pending investigation. It occurs to me now that, if my suspicion is correct, they are relying on the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act as justification for not answering my question. If he were indeed a CIA operative and still alive, then Americans do not need to know his name (but I actually suspect that he is dead.) We do deserve to know whether he was a covert operative. If I am correct, then he clearly crossed a terrible boundary from legitimate surveillance to active participation in a horrendous crime. The U.S. Congress and the public deserve the opportunity to scrutinize this kind of surveillance. It obviously was not effective in obstructing the 9/11 attack. On the contrary, it facilitated it. A declassified CIA document confirms that the agency not only infiltrates terror cells, it also manipulates them (CIA-RDP85- 00671R000200250001-4). I suspect that this 9/11 ticket purchase gives an example of their style of manipulation. The president of OU is former U.S. Senator David Boren, patron and mentor of ex-CIA director George Tenet. I have earlier reported some details about this relationship to Bella Ciao : http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php... KOCO-TV Broadcasts It But Later Conceals It Four different people have told me of seeing an Oklahoma City KOCO- TV news broadcast about the ticket-purchasing incident at OU. In October 2003, I called KOCO and tried to buy a videocassette of this broadcast. A woman at the news desk named Melissa confirmed that they had reported this, and then transferred me to the voice mail of Terri Watkins, the reporter who made the broadcast. I left a message there asking to purchase the videocassette. To my surprise and indignation, when I checked my answering machine later, there was a message from Watkins denying that the station had reported it. Obviously, the station was pressured into suppressing the report. The pressure probably came from the CIA, FBI, or both. Recordings of these contradictory communications from the two women can be heard here: http://members.aol.com/mpwright9/st... Any resident of central Oklahoma who is willing to confirm having seen this suppressed news broadcast is encouraged to contact me. Other Important Links: CIA document -- see page 21 http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/colom... FBI letter (it may be necessary to enlarge this with the mouse): http://members.aol.com/mpwright9/fb... I also have assembled this information into a sworn affidavit. A fourth person has told me about seeing the KOCO report since I signed this: http://www.bushbusiness.com/Wright_... http://www.bushbusiness.com/Wright_... by : Michael P. Wright Sunday 31st July 2005 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hlv5i3h/M=362329.6886306.7839369.3040540/D=groups/S=1705372463:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1122907043/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
[cia-drugs] Rumsfeld's Pentagon is running Al Qaeda
Category: News Opinion (General) Topic: International Affairs Synopsis: Source: WayneMadsenReport Published: July 31, 2005 Author: Wayne Madsen For Education and Discussion Only. Not for Commercial Use. More evidence emerges that Rumsfeld's Pentagon is running Al Qaeda- affiliated terrorist organizations. WASHINGTON, DC AND TASHKENT -- July 30, 2005 -- As first reported here on July 8, relations between Washington and Tashkent finally boiled over after evidence that Pentagon special operations teams were involved in the Islamist revolt against President Islam Karimov's government in the town of Andijan on May 17. On July 29, Tashkent formally evicted the United States from its airbase at Karshi-Khanabad, also known as K2. The Pentagon was given 180 days to evacuate all personnel, aircraft, and equipment from the base, which had been used by the United States since the Afghan war broke out following 911. The State Department was apparently blindsided by the abrupt Uzbek decision. It planned to send a diplomat to Tashkent on August 2 to negotiate the base's future. However, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had already decided to scrap K2 after he secured continued basing rights in Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. The Uzbek media has been abuzz with revelations that Pentagon special operations teams secretly met in Afghanistan with Tohir Yoldashev and members of his Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU), a group the U.S. State Department considers a terrorist organization allied to Al Qaeda. The meetings were reported to have occurred before and after the Andijan revolt, which was blamed on IMU forces. The US- IMU meetings in Afghanistan were also referenced in an article in Asia Times by India's former ambassador to Uzbekistan and Turkey, M. K. Bhadrakumar. The Uzbek government obviously believes the Pentagon has been dealing with terrorist groups and decided to deny the Americans a base from which they might be using to foment Islamist terrorist operations in Uzbekistan and in surrounding countries. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hhjfad4/M=362329.6886306.7839369.3040540/D=groups/S=1705372463:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1122907888/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Webster Tarpley on the next 911.
Tarpley talks about an interesting timeline since May 05 which appears to be reaching its crescendo in august with the pretextual event for the Iran gambit. He makes a nice catch on a naval exercise slated for august in which a 100 kiloton nuke is brought by ship to a location off the South Carolina coast and then smuggled into the country for detonation. http://www.cloakanddagger.de/shows/webcast/_JULY_A/_cloak_webster_7_31_ 05.mp3 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hr3ip79/M=362329.6886306.7839369.3040540/D=groups/S=1705372463:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1122926496/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] I thought this might interest you...
MI5 analysts admit link between Iraq war and bombings http://www.infowars.com/articles/London_attack/mastermind_mi6_asset.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hlc8tuk/M=362329.6886306.7839369.3040540/D=groups/S=1705372463:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1122962310/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: Fwd: BREAKING: BUSH CHENEY INDICTED
If true, hold onto your seats, 'cause the ride is gonna get mighty bumpy. Just think, fighting in the streets and martial law in my lifetime. Bush can issue pardons; however, who can say what kind of groundswell both nationally and internationally will develop? Who will listen to an acknowledged group of criminals other than mindless sycophants? I think we are seeing the last best hope of those who can remember what was good about the USA prior to Junta63. If this attempt to purge these bastards fails, then we are all truly screwed! --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Lic. Jim adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 02:17:42 EDT Subject: BREAKING: BUSH CHENEY INDICTED To: undisclosed-recipients:; TOMFLOCCO.COM BUSH AND CHENEY INDICTED http://tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=Forumsfile= viewtopicp=3143sid=858006e33ca7ff30486f1256862a07e0#3143 A Chicago grand jury has indicted the President and Vice- President of the United States along with multiple high officials in the Bush administration Chicago -- August 2, 2005 -- TomFlocco.com -- U.S. federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's Chicago grand jury has issued perjury and obstruction of justice indictments to the following members of the Bush Administration: President George W. Bush, Vice-President Richard Cheney, Bush Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Cheney Chief of Staff I. Lewis Scooter Libby, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, imprisoned New York Times reporter Judith Miller and former Senior Cheney advisor Mary Matalin. READ MORE Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12h2h75g1/M=362329.6886306.7839369.3040540/D=groups/S=1705372463:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1122994296/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: Tom Heneghen report on July 17
The following is from Archibald Cox's obituary at Washingtonpost.com That fuck Bork fired Special Prosecutor Cox. That is why Bork never made the Supreme Court. ...An angry Nixon demanded Cox's firing. But Attorney General Elliot Richardson, who had recruited Cox as the Watergate special prosecutor, refused to carry out the president's order. He resigned, as did his deputy, William D. Ruckelshaus. Robert H. Bork, who as solicitor general was the third-ranking officer of the Justice Department, dismissed Cox. Almost overnight, from Capitol Hill and in the national media, came the sounds of protest and dismay. Sen. Barry M. Goldwater (Ariz.), one of the most influential Republicans in Congress, declared that Nixon's credibility has reached an all-time low from which he may not be able to recover. In the House of Representatives, members introduced 22 bills calling for the impeachment of the president or an investigation into impeachment proceedings. More than a million telegrams demanding impeachment poured into congressional offices. Newspaper editorial writers and columnists made somber references to an attempted coup d'etat. Cox appeared on the cover of Newsweek magazine, wearing his trademark bow tie, neatly knotted as always. Time had photos of Cox and the president facing each other over the caption, Nixon on the Brink. The firing of Cox, on Oct. 20, 1973, came at a time of high turbulence and political unrest. The Watergate scandal was increasingly engulfing the Nixon presidency. A summer of televised hearings on Capitol Hill had produced a steady flow of testimony suggesting burglary, lies, duplicity and criminality at the highest levels... --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, E Bryant Holman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No he can't. Why didn't Clinton just fire Starr? No one can fire a special prosecutor. He was hired just for that reason. - Original Message - From: james Karl To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [cia-drugs] Tom Heneghen report on July 17 Bullshit. Bush as President can fire any US Attorney. Linda Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This show aired before the disclosure about the actual indictments reported by Flocco. === http://www.total911.info/2005/07/tenet-under-investigation-for- pre-911.html Tom Heneghen reports to Cloak Dagger Internet Radio (late of 50,000-watt blowtorch CFMJ-AM) that a trusted source close to the Fitzgerald investigation says the independent prosecutor is looking into former CIA Director George Tenet's role in pre-9/11 put options placed on American Airlines. Previous editions of Cloak Dagger reported that the special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald has taken his investigation beyond who named Valerie Plame as a CIA agent into who frauded up claims that Saddam Hussien was seeking yellowcake uranium and, ultimately, the 9/11 scam. CD correspondent Tom Heneghen reported on the July 17 show that Fitzgerald is looking into insider trading on airline stocks before 9/11. Heneghen reports that over the three trading days before 9/11 on the Chicago Board of Options 4,516 put options (bets the price would tank) were placed on American Airlines stock vs only 748 call options (bets the price would go up). According to CD, Fitzgerald is investigating Tenet's role in connection to Buzzy Krongard, a former No. 3 at the CIA, and that man's relation to the 2,157 airline options placed through Morgan Stanley/Dean Witter, located on 22 floors of the WTC. Texas money laundering operation involving Hunts Philippines V.K. Durham trust Beverly Enterprises and Stephens, Inc.--45 nursing home associates--Mena, Ark. bogus gold cert. Brady Bond fraud Wachovia Bank assassinations--William Doonesbury and ? offshoot of Muslim Brotherhood financial and operational terrorist fraud leaker to Judith Miller Bolton cables and intercepts with Uzbekistan hedge fund in London involving two suicides in NY James Warren at Chicago Trib is obstructing justice Chicago Mercantile Roger Morris, NSC--Air Force One signal of Bush and Cheney talking about Valerie Plame Leo Wanta letter to Dick Cheney about Philippine money -- linked to Wachovia Bank Marc Rich Russian Mafiya Arrest of E.P in London, money laundered through Denmark If Bush fires Patrick Fitzgerald, it will set P.F. free to talk. white-skinned Moslems in Texas Arrests in London are the same as what went on in NY after 9/11 to shut up people who knew too much Subway bombs were underneath the trains and could not have been planted by the youths they arrested. Private company, mock drill, piggy-backed with actual bombing. P-2 and Calipari, who was assassinated in Iraq.
[cia-drugs] Milestones deserve recognition
Let all who post and read here know that Vigilius Haufniensis did not post anything at all during the entire 24 hours of August 2, 2005. Either he is too ill to post, or he has exercised the kind of discipline, forebearance and restraint associated with recovering pederasts who find themselves in the midst of a busload of cub scouts. In either event, he has my best wishes. Keep up the good work, Vig! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12h81ikn5/M=362329.6886306.7839369.3040540/D=groups/S=1705372463:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123061562/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: FLOCCO OFFLINE
Flocco is walking around his neighborhood with a kick me sign taped to his back. I'll bet he doesn't swallow all of Heneghen's bullshit so readily next time. Flocco, unfortunately, has ruined himself as far as being an alternative news source. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tomflocco.com/ does tom flocco's site come up for anyone? vigilius haufniensis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hcfc7ja/M=362329.6886306.7839369.3040540/D=groups/S=1705372463:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123128593/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: FLOCCO OFFLINE
--- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flocco is walking around his neighborhood with a kick me sign taped to his back. I'll bet he doesn't swallow all of Heneghen's bullshit so readily next time. Flocco, unfortunately, has ruined himself as far as being an alternative news source. VMANN: not really. to me, he's just building a reputation for 'running' with the story. like when he ran that story about katheryn harris's plane crashing. all journalists have to make corrections. flocco puts out plenty of good info. vigilius haufniensis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12h3270g2/M=362329.6886306.7839369.3040540/D=groups/S=1705372463:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123147794/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Educate-Yourself_Forum] Re: [cia-drugs] Re: FLOCCO OFFLINE
Ask ruppert about peak oil, then wait to be distracted ad infinitum. Besides, as far as ruppert is concerned, we should forget about 911. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, E Bryant Holman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ruppert dismisses it as a distraction: There is also desperation in the bogus stories we're seeing because even the slightest attempt at verification leads to instant discredit (e.g., Bush-Cheney secretly indicted; . - Original Message - From: E Bryant Holman To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:49 AM Subject: [Educate-Yourself_Forum] Re: [cia-drugs] Re: FLOCCO OFFLINE Skolnick confirms the story: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi? noframes;read=76042 - Original Message - From: E Bryant Holman To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [cia-drugs] Re: FLOCCO OFFLINE It may be that this is a honey bucket operation. Here is what another person posted on the same board: ** Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:32 amPost subject: - --- VERY IMPORTANT!!! The person Tom Flocco cites in his post Thomas Heneghan works with a KNOWN FBI COINTELPRO FRAUD named Stew Webb. Webb yields partial truths on Bush mixed with LIES! He has attacked good patriots, Ted Gunderson and others as part of a government SMOKESCREEN agenda. He and Heneghan ran a bogus campaign for pres. Webb and a CIA perp. named Barbara Hartwell LIED in April 2003 when they SAID they filed a court case against Bush. THEY LIED! There was NO case filed yet they solicited MONEY for it! They then said they filed one against Bush in July 2003. This information appears as one poster said to prop up people's hopes only to dash them later and DISCREDITED ALL material against Bush as has been done in the past. I have more extensive documentation on Webb for those interested. Email me at: hitech1@ bluemarble.net [IN THE INTEREST OF FAIRNESS, WE WENT TO STEWWEBB.COM SEEKING A RESPONSE FROM WEBB ABOUT GUNDERSON AND THIS IS THE INCREDIBLE INFO WE FOUND ON WEBB'S TED GUNDERSON PAGE: Stew Webb's Ted Gunderson PageEd] Heneghan HAS LIED Webb's LIES on the radio so he's NOT a 'credible' source. He's what's called 'RAT POISON' giving partial truth so you'll swallow the LIES! THIS IS BIG FOLKS! This is DESIGNED to discredit more dirt on Bush. Larry Lawson * - Original Message - From: mark urban To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:29 AM Subject: [cia-drugs] Re: FLOCCO OFFLINE --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flocco is walking around his neighborhood with a kick me sign taped to his back. I'll bet he doesn't swallow all of Heneghen's bullshit so readily next time. Flocco, unfortunately, has ruined himself as far as being an alternative news source. VMANN: not really. to me, he's just building a reputation for 'running' with the story. like when he ran that story about katheryn harris's plane crashing. all journalists have to make corrections. flocco puts out plenty of good info. vigilius haufniensis Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM - --- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group cia-drugs on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Holistic health Educate-yourself Alternative medicine Complementary and alternative medicine Holistic health care Holistic health center --- --- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group Educate-Yourself_Forum on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
[cia-drugs] holy smokes! is there anyone who isn't a cia front?
fintan dunne's J'ACCUSE moment on the internets. I think Webfairy escaped the fickle finger of fintan. http://www.kathymcmahon.utvinternet.com/mrn/TheCIAInternetFakes.htm The CIA's Internet Fakes by Fintan Dunne, Editor, BreakForNews.com 4th August, 2005 URLs: BreakForNews.com/TheCIAInternetFakes.htm WagNews.blogspot.com/2005/08/cias-internet-fakes.html Note: We do not contend that everyone associated with these websites are knowing intelligence operatives. Some have been professionally manipulated, others merely misled. In any event these are promoting the psyop agendas and disinformation themes of the covert controllers. This is also not meant to be a fully comprehensive listing of all the fake websites. The CIA Fakes presented by BreakForNews.com PsyOpNews.com and Wagnews.Blogspot.com airamericaradio.com albasrah.net aljazeera.net aljazeera.com almartinraw.com americanfreepress.net angieon911.com antiwar.com apfn.org arcticbeacon.com batr.org bellaciao.org bilderberg.org blackboxvoting.org bradblog.com buzzflash.com cloakanddagger.ca coasttocoastam.com conspiracyarchive.com conspiracyplanet.com commondreams.org cooperativeresearch.org counterpunch.org cryptome.org davidicke.com deepblacklies.co.uk democracynow.org dieoff.com earthfiles.com ellsberg.net fromthewilderness.com globalresearch.ca halfpasthuman.com infoclearinghouse.info infowars.com inn.globalfreepress.com internationalanswer.org jackblood.net jihadunspun.com jimmarrs.com jmccanneyscience.com johnbuchanan.org johnkaminski.com judicialwatch.org justacitizen.com justicefor911.org karlschwarz.com konformist.com kurtnimmo.com larouchepub.com legitgov.com letsroll911.org libertyforum.org libertythink.com lovearth.net madcowprod.com meria.net monbiot.com moveon.org mysteriesofthemind.com narconews.com newswithviews.com newtopiamagazine.com nomorefakenews.com occupationwatch.org oilempire.us onlinejournal.com peakoil.net plaguepuppy.net prisonplanet.com propagandamatrix.com questionsquestions.net ralphnader.com radioliberty.com rawstory.com rbnlive.com recombinomics.com rense.com reopen911.org rigorousintuition.blogspot riverbend.blogspot rumormillnews.com sanderhicks.com savethemales.ca septembereleventh.org skolnicksreport.com standdown.net stanley2002.org team8plus.org tomflocco.com thepowerhour.com thetruthseeker.co.uk truefacts.co.uk truthout.org tvnewslies.org unansweredquestions.org uruknet.info vialls.net votetoimpeach.org wanttoknow.info whatreallyhappened.com wingtv.net worldaffairsbrief.com xymphora.blogspot 911citizenswatch.org 911forthetruth.com 911truth.org 911truthradio.com The CIA Fakes presented by BreakForNews.com PsyOpNews.com and Wagnews.Blogspot.com Note: We do not contend that everyone associated with these websites are knowing intelligence operatives. Some have been professionally manipulated, others merely misled. In any event these are promoting the psyop agendas and disinformation themes of the covert controllers. This is also not meant to be a fully comprehensive listing of all the fake websites. For the last three years we have been quietly investigating the cover-up of the 9/11 attacks. Ours has been a wide-ranging inquiry which paid special attention to those who claim to be already exposing the truth. During this time we have interviewed many people with alternative views on who were the real perpetrators. All the while, we kept our own counsel. Much of the time we played it as if we were uncritically buying the lines being put out on various alternative media. We have examined a great deal of evidence and methodically traced the methods and networks used to mislead us all. Now we present the first of our findings. NO ROGUE GROUP We published our first investigative articles on the 9/11 attacks -- just 7 and 14 days after the event. We knew, as did many others, that the real planners were not 'Al-Qaida'. That's the easy part. The challenge was to actually determine -rather than merely guess: who did carry out the attacks? In uncovering those perpetrators, we felt that an investigation of the cover-up would be as much --if not more-- revealing than our examination of the attacks themselves. Our analysis of the cover-up shows it requires, and has used, the official intelligence resources of more that one state. One of the ways of deflecting investigators from this grim reality has been to spin the facts to allege that a 'rogue group' within government carried out the attacks. But we now state that the depth and multinational scope of the cover- up shows no mere rogue group was involved. The 9/11 attacks and cover-up have covert governmental support -deployed through an intelligence framework. What will be the most startling aspect of our investigation for many people is the vast scale of governmental control of the 9/11 movement and alternative investigators and
[cia-drugs] Re: who isn't a cia front?
I agree with you on Hopsicker. I do not recollect him ever trying to bullshit anybody. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, phoenix420 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Dunne regarding every website on the list and many of them I've already tried to out in previous posts. There are two researchers listed that publish actual useful contemporary research: deepblacklies.co.uk madcowprod.com Unless Dunne can show some evidence of disinfo planting, I'll continue to believe these two are are surfing much closer to reality than the obvious fakers on the list. I found this paragraph a bit strange: Suspicion is directed instead onto the Israelis, the 'City of London', 'International Bankers', The Rockefellers, The Bildebergers, and most infamously, the ill-defined, so-called New World Order. Of course, some of these elements are complicit in certain events, but the aim is to downplay the U.S. establishment's guiding hand and the broad CFR/corporate support. I guess Dunne hasn't figured out Wall Street runs our national security state. And don't people like International Bankers and Rockefellers run Wall Street? And who set up the CFR anyway? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12htlg87c/M=362329.6886306.7839369.3040540/D=groups/S=1705372463:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123287246/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: who isn't a cia front?
Or maybe, Bob, he is like the Wilfred Brimley character in John Carpenter's remake of the Thing - holed up in his cabin, gun loaded on his lap, afraid to make contact with anyone for fear of being infected and consumed. Fintan has just about shit-canned evrybody he used to get on well with. It is actually kind of sad. because you have to think that he must have held many of these repudiated guests of his in such contempt while he was still interviewing them like a good buddy. Ho fukin' hum! --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a good question, who isn't on his shill list, and I might add that in addition to resembling the activist burnout syndrome which manifests as hyper-critical inward turned witch-hunt, he may also resemble the typical cult leader surrounded by pedantically scorched earth if he can't give us a list--a list including Daniel Hopsicker, curator of the Rosetta Stone of secret US history, the photo of Porter and the Boys, linking Bush to JFK assassination crew and Bush and JFK assassination crew to 911. What has Fintan brought us to compare to the rosetta stone of secret american history? Cannibalism as controversy, could a cheap grab for short term ratings explain Fintan's tizzy? -Bob mark urban wrote: bob, i really don't know what the hell is going on, but this has become such a hall of mirrors, that I can't imagine any serious truth seeker not becoming disillusioned and just screaming Fuck it! see my comment to fintan followed by his reply. Guest Re: Comments on CIA's Internet Fakes « Reply #3 on Today at 6:04pm » - --- Fintan, I agree that there is much disinformation out there; however, you must let me know just how Daniel Hopsicker became a witting or unwitting shill for the 911 cover-up? I watched as Hopsicker cut Ruppert loose - not an easy thing to do considering how they along with Kris Millegan and Catherine Austin Fitts used to do presentations together on the CIA-DRUGS angle. I think that since 911, I have gone from LIHOP to MIHOP. I really do not have the resources to perform investigations myself. so I read what all the contributors put out there and then kind of evaluate it for myself. Lately I have become fascinated by Webster Tarpley's material. He is quite the historian - his research into the venetian influence in England and the rule of the oligarchies is seminal and cogent. His SYNTHETIC TERRORISM book gives you insight into the way governments secretly use terrorism to execute policy. I know I have been critical of you in the past, but I have stopped. Instead, I really would like to know how you arrived at some of your conclusions as to who is a CIA shill. Perhaps you can help me by directing my attention to who you believe to not be a CIA shill. I think that is a much smaller list and, with the exception of yourself, it may be non-existent. Am I wrong in assuming that you are that honest man for whom Diogenes was looking? Or is there some kind of cumulative deleterious mental effect to the habitual use of Neem? Mark Urban Logged BreakForNews Administrator member is offline Joined: Jan 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 12 Re: Comments on CIA's Internet Fakes « Reply #4 on Today at 7:07pm » - --- Hi Mark, Habitual use of Neem sharpens the brain, believe me. lol We will have an audio show [working on it now] which will answer some of the questions you raised. It's hard to distill three years of watching carefully every article, every word. But try this anyway: You said: I watched as Hopsicker cut Ruppert loose - not an easy thing to do considering how they along with Kris Millegan and Catherine Austin Fitts used to do presentations together on the CIA-DRUGS angle. If the agency wants to cover it's flank on the drugs issue, the people doing that job are going to be saying the CIA is up to it's ass in the drugs biz. That's how you place a primary flank defender. The job of the flank defender is to bring out enough allegations to keep the crowd happy. No more , no less. Certainly not anything that could be a serious liability. The flanker is going to be saying exactly what you want to hear. Now take a look at the list of people who supported the 911Truth.org declaration. Remembering that already John Gray of 911Truth.org is linked to Kashoggi money [by Hopsicker!] : 9/11 Truth Statement Demanding Deeper Investigation into the Events of 9/11 NEW YORK CITY, NY (Oct. 26, 2004) - An alliance of 100 prominent Americans and 40 family members of those killed on 9/11 today announced the release of the 911 Truth Statement
[cia-drugs] Re: ruppert's engaged.
Mike is one of those useful idiots making you accept the ridiculous price for a gallon of gas. His fiancee is apparently one of those asshole believers in the myth of gaia (the earth is ridding itself of mankind). Mike fails to mention that the oil companies mention any damn excuse as the reason for tight supplies and high prices. now it is hurricane damage to existing production infrastructure in the Gulf of Mexico. Vig, if you have done more than read his tripe, then yuo would realize that Ruppert is a narcissistic asshole who doesn't have much room in his life for more than a doting believer in his horseshit. I'll bet she picks up the tab for dinner and he makes long winded rationalizations as to why she should short the tip. Congratulating this jerk is a form of encouragement. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/080505_half_truth.shtml congrats, mike. vigilius haufniensis i always thought he had something going with catherine austin fitts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hq6t4rb/M=362329.6886306.7839369.3040540/D=groups/S=1705372463:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123329472/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: who isn't a cia front?
Have you read or heard what he has to say? Do you think the Uauthorized Biography of GHWB is propaganda? --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, phoenix420 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday, August 5, 2005, at 08:49 PM, mark urban wrote: Lately I have become fascinated by Webster Tarpley. A LaRouche 9/11 Truth operative who appears on CNN...no doubt a shadow player in the managed dialectic... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12h08dlkm/M=362329.6886306.7839369.3040540/D=groups/S=1705372463:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123344207/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: who isn't a cia front?
I promise you that if cnn ever heard what Tarpley has had to say as a guest on cloak and dagger or rense, steam would begin chooting out of their ears. Tarpley is an expert on the red brigades and their relationship to operation gladio (a NATO program designed to raise hell in the event of an east bloc invasion). For him toi have the scholarly credentials to be taken seriously by CNN yet then tell a national audience that 911 was an example of state sponsored synthetic terrorism is pretty damn interesting. I would like some real proof he is disinfo before I make up my mind. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, phoenix420 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday, August 6, 2005, at 10:03 AM, mark urban wrote: Have you read or heard what he has to say? Do you think the Uauthorized Biography of GHWB is propaganda? I read LaRouche info with considerable interest. They have released a lot of reliable historical research. However, LaRouche is an op. His position on marijuana is identical to that of Scientology, another obvious mindcontrol op. Berlet/LaRouche is a managed dialectic-- both were student-activist commies. Communism is a fraud, created and run by secret societies. Tarpley is a recognized terrorism expert who appears on national tv. I don't believe they put loose cannons on that deck. Many researchers are controlled through their sources--it's far better if they are true believers run through a mindcontrol paradigm than knowing agents of disinfo. The true believers have no secrets to hide and do not turn on their masters, ala Richard Case Nagell. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hjk7qpr/M=362329.6886306.7839369.3040540/D=groups/S=1705372463:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123386932/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] skull bones over fitzgerald
Newsweek: Leak prosecutor's boss likely to be replaced with Bush classmate; 'Skull and Bones' RAW STORY Newsweek's Michael Isikoff will splash a story in tomorrow's Newsweek which reveals that the boss of CIA leak probe prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is likely to be replaced by a former Bush classmate at Yale. What's more, Newsweek has found that the new boss is a fellow initiate of the Yale secret society, Skull and Bones. Details will appear on the magazine's website early Sunday and on newsstands Monday. Among other Skull and Bones initiates are William Taft, the 27th President of the United States; Henry Luce, the founder of Time Magazine; and Senator John Kerry (D-MA). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hs5u9tp/M=362329.6886306.7839369.3040540/D=groups/S=1705372463:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123387826/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] William Doyle's story about the 911 cover-up.
William Doyle has become one of the main lightening rods of the 9/11 truth movement, saying President Bush and his cronies are the biggest stumbling block in getting at the real truth. Involved as one of the plaintiffs in a trillion dollar 9/11 lawsuit, he wants the American people to know Bush is hiding vital documents that could lead to the truth. August 6, 2005 By Greg Szymanski What happened to William Doyle, shouldn?t happen to any man. It?s something you wouldn?t wish on your worst enemy or something a parent shouldn?t have to experience in a hundred lifetimes. But on the morning of 9/11 the unthinkable happened. On the morning of 9/11, Doyle lost his 25-year-old son, Joseph, who was among the approximately 3,000 who perished at Ground Zero. On that tragic morning when Doyle first heard reports of a jetliner striking the top floors of the North Tower, it must have felt like he was standing in the fiery flames of hell, not his comfortable New York home. And Doyle recalls when the jetliner hit the towers feeling like a bolt of lightening passed through his body, knowing his young son was in one of the worst possible places, working on the 101st floor at Cantor Fitzgerald in the North Tower. ?The last time I talked to Joseph was the night before when we were talking football and about the Green Bay Packers,? said Doyle, 58, a former stockbroker, in an extended telephone conversation this week from his New York home. ?He was very excited about his new job at Cantor and for a long time after, my wife and I held out hope that somehow Joseph survived.? Tragically, however, his son became one of the 658 Cantor employees who never made it out of the WTC. Tragically, like so many other family members who lost loved ones, Doyle has had to undergo ?a living hell? in every aspect concerning the WTC attacks, from the emotional pain and scars of losing a son to the callous arrogance and outright lies from the Bush administration. ?They have blocked every avenue into getting at the truth behind 9/11,? said Doyle, referring to the shallow and unfounded 9/11 Commission findings as well as the Bush administration?s failure to release known information about the financial ties to 9/11. But in the face of government lies and numerous roadblocks, Doyle has remained strong and steadfast in his search for the truth, fighting the ?good fight,? for four long years and doing it especially for his son and for all the others who lost their lives. He has taken the government head on in almost every issue and aspect of 9/11, becoming one of the leading vanguards in most every possible issue imaginable. In the past, he has fought politicians on Capitol Hill to get sensitive 9/11 financial information released, fought with the 9/11 Commission to get truthful testimony into the official record, taken on the bureaucracy to help victims receive assistance and even goes out of his way to get counseling for every victim or family member who needs it. ?When it?s about 9/11, it usually passes through Bill Doyle,? he said, referring to his tireless and active involvement with the 9/11 truth movement. ?Just the other day I received a call from a man in Minneapolis who lost his daughter on 9/11. He said this was the first time he was able to talk about it for all these years. We talked for hours and the next morning I had a counselor at his doorstep to help him out.? Besides his emotional ties to the victims and his efforts to make sure everybody he comes in contact with gets the needed psychological and emotional help, Doyle takes an active role as one of the thousands of plaintiffs involved in an active trillion dollar lawsuit filed against the alleged financial perpetrators of 9/11. The ongoing suit, filed by the South Carolina firm of Motley Rice, is attempting to recover damages for the victims by uncovering the money trail behind 9/11, which eventually leads to the true perpetrators who caused the mass murder of approximately 3,000 people. And Doyle said what?s so strange about uncovering the truth about the financial trail is that the U.S. government has been the main obstacle, not foreign banks or governments. ?There was a 28 page bi-partisan report released to the government, headed by Sen. Phil Grahm, which should tell us about who funded 9/11,? said Doyle about information sought by attorneys from Motley Rice, one of the only law firms in the country able to afford to handle this massive civil suit, which has already cost the firm over 25 million in expenses. ?This report has since been kept secret and classified by the Bush administration ever since they go their hands on it. Our lawyers have repeatedly asked for this information, but the administration will not release it. What are they hiding? ?Recently, I sent letters to all the lawmakers on Capitol Hill, including the White House, demanding this information be released so we can get at the
[cia-drugs] Re: ruppert's engaged.
Okay, Babe! You wanna pay 15 large for a seminar where Ruppert tells you how to prepare for financial armageddon? You can't blame that shit on the CIA. Ruppert walked into it with his eyes wide open! --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when the cia puts all its resources into destroying my life, then ill judge ruppert. in the meantime, ill just disagree with his thesis. - Original Message - From: mark urban [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:57 AM Subject: [cia-drugs] Re: ruppert's engaged. Mike is one of those useful idiots making you accept the ridiculous price for a gallon of gas. His fiancee is apparently one of those asshole believers in the myth of gaia (the earth is ridding itself of mankind). Mike fails to mention that the oil companies mention any damn excuse as the reason for tight supplies and high prices. now it is hurricane damage to existing production infrastructure in the Gulf of Mexico. Vig, if you have done more than read his tripe, then yuo would realize that Ruppert is a narcissistic asshole who doesn't have much room in his life for more than a doting believer in his horseshit. I'll bet she picks up the tab for dinner and he makes long winded rationalizations as to why she should short the tip. Congratulating this jerk is a form of encouragement. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/080505_half_truth.shtml congrats, mike. vigilius haufniensis i always thought he had something going with catherine austin fitts. Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/2005 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hm1qodc/M=362329.6886306.7839369.3040540/D=groups/S=1705372463:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123397189/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] flocco gets it wrong on the follow-up
They are going to replace Fitzgerald's boss with a bonesman not Fitzgerald. mcu BUSH PLANS TO FIRE PROSECUTOR: Bush plans to fire prosecutor as federal agents prepare to arrest him by Tom Flocco Washington -- August 7, 2005 -- TomFlocco.com -- Sunday morning online editions of Newsweek and Time are reporting that the President is planning to fire Chicago's U.S. Federal Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald and replace him with a Bush classmate/Skull and Bonesman from Yale. Following on the heels of these reports, we have learned from U.S. intelligence sources that federal agents are prepared to immediately arrest Mr. Bush if he fires Fitzgerald and seeks to obstruct justice and commit additional treasonous acts regarding ongoing grand jury proceedings against his administration and himself. TomFlocco.com reported last week that Fitzgerald's grand jury voted out perjury and obstruction of justice True Bills or federal criminal indictments against President Bush, Vice-President Cheney, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, former CIA Director George Tenet, Presidential Senior Advisor Karl Rove, Presidential Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Vice- Presidential Chief of Staff I. Scooter Libby, imprisoned New York Times reporter Judith Miller and Vice-Presidential Senior Advisor Mary Matalin. On Friday, federal whistleblower Tom Heneghen reported that the true bills also listed Supreme Court Chief Justice William Rehnquist and Justice Antonin Scalia as unindicted co-conspirators. According to sources close to the grand jury, Fitzgerald's citizen panel is now able to prove that George W. Bush was not legitimately elected president in the 2000 election; but more importantly, it has fingered the United States Supreme Court for fraud, obstruction of justice and treason, making the Bush terms totally illegal. The scope of the indictments and investigations indicates that the grand jury's indicted criminal acts reaching back to 2000 will lead to further legitimate assumptions that Bush-Cheney involvement in the 9.11 attacks and sending American young people to war based upon lies orchestrated by Mr. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair are both squarely in the sights of the grand jury. [TomFlocco.com was disrupted by intermittentfix in am We thank readers for their patience while the site undergoes some restoration during the move to its new internet location -- TF] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12ha7912h/M=362329.6886306.7839369.3040540/D=groups/S=1705372463:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123419506/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: ruppert's engaged.
high ground, low ground. sometimes ad hominem is the best way to vent your spleen, especially when you feel betrayed. here is another - fuck ruppert! --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i aint paying 15 large. im just not engaging in ad hominems. - Original Message - From: mark urban [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: [cia-drugs] Re: ruppert's engaged. Okay, Babe! You wanna pay 15 large for a seminar where Ruppert tells you how to prepare for financial armageddon? You can't blame that shit on the CIA. Ruppert walked into it with his eyes wide open! --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when the cia puts all its resources into destroying my life, then ill judge ruppert. in the meantime, ill just disagree with his thesis. - Original Message - From: mark urban [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:57 AM Subject: [cia-drugs] Re: ruppert's engaged. Mike is one of those useful idiots making you accept the ridiculous price for a gallon of gas. His fiancee is apparently one of those asshole believers in the myth of gaia (the earth is ridding itself of mankind). Mike fails to mention that the oil companies mention any damn excuse as the reason for tight supplies and high prices. now it is hurricane damage to existing production infrastructure in the Gulf of Mexico. Vig, if you have done more than read his tripe, then yuo would realize that Ruppert is a narcissistic asshole who doesn't have much room in his life for more than a doting believer in his horseshit. I'll bet she picks up the tab for dinner and he makes long winded rationalizations as to why she should short the tip. Congratulating this jerk is a form of encouragement. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/080505_half_truth.shtml congrats, mike. vigilius haufniensis i always thought he had something going with catherine austin fitts. Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/2005 Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/2005 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12htuoln3/M=362329.6886306.7839369.3040540/D=groups/S=1705372463:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123479664/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: ruppert's engaged.
It is a simple fact of geological life that, to use the words of the late L. Fletcher Prouty, ...Putting a price on a gallon of gas is like putting a price on a pail of water The earth is an oil generating machine. To the extent that corrupt regimes pollute the environment and murder indigenous populations - well if it weren't oil then it would be some other damn thing. What is your point? Do you honestly believe that reliance on some other form of energy would automatically make corrupt politicians and rapacious corporate opportunists act like good world citizens? - HA! Simon Bolivar had the right idea. He would not let the corrupt ideas of the Benthamites enter into the university curricula in South America. Unfortunately, for every Bolivar there are 200 Pinochets. Good luck. Ruppert is still a horse's ass who shills for the Club of Rome gang. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vanessa Di Domenico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- mark urban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike is one of those useful idiots making you accept the ridiculous price for a gallon of gas. Sorry for the 'poor' Mike-like people who can't afford to pay for the gasoline that has totally destroyed our lake, leaving Maracaibo without pure water and killing off one of the world's largest food supplies. Did the gasoline leave Mike without money for food? I often eat only bread and milk so as to avoid working for those creeps. I won't even go teach them english anymore. Mostly, this happened because USA and EU people want cheap gasoline, so the companies that serve THEM come and do horrible things, like dumping dioxin illegally into the lake, so as to save money. WHENEVER YOU ASK FOR CHEAP GASOLINE, THEIR PROFITS STAY THE SAME, BUT THOSE OF US LIVING IN BIG OIL CITIES HAVE TO SEE THE FLAME BURNING NIGHT AND DAY, WATCHING THE SEA LENTILS EAT UP OUR LAKE, AND HAVE ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHILD BRAIN CANCER RATES IN THE WORLD!!! ALL OF THAT BECAUSE RICH, WEALTHY PEOPLE USED TO COMFORTABLE LIVING AT ALL TIMES ASK FOR CHEAPER GASOLINE! Why don't you walk or live less comfortably, as we do? I don't live in the USA or EU and have a terrible time here, with a disability that gives one big brains and loads of University work. But for what? I'd rather go hungry than help pollute and kill the world's largest seafood/non-salt water body go to shambles. It was about time that the oil became really expensive, so that the pollution could go down with the same profit. Those of you who ask for cheap oil should FIRST worry about all the children that such a request hurts. It is people like YOU asking for cheaper oil prices that give me strength to continue our Chavista struggle, even as I walk out of my home every morning to see the Thomassen oil pump at the park... it is one of the oldest in the world, and now a 'toy' kids climb over. And Venezuela WILL make sure that ALL poor countries in the Caribbean and SOuth America get cheap oiland the best gasoline at fair prices. After all, those countries were not the ones that destroyed us. Vanessa Di Domenico Maracaibo, Venezuela __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hr22d2o/M=362329.6886306.7839369.3040540/D=groups/S=1705372463:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123542954/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: holy smokes! is there anyone who isn't a cia front?
David, The email for Dunne is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, you may have to wait quite a while for a reply as his inbox must be jam packed. Mark Urban --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, David Guyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been away for a couple of weeks and have just returned...but am off again today for awhile, but I will revert to any post on this topic when I return. I've just seen the post that places my website www.deepblacklies.co.uk in the category of a CIA fake website by one Fintan Dunne - who I don't know and who doesn't know me. Doesn't this guy know that there are at least thirteen intelligence agencies in the US? Why is it that all those websites listed only work for the CIA. Don't any of the other twelve intell agencies employ contractors to disseminate dininfo. Sure they do. I'm thinking of one right now, in fact... Anyway. if anyone on this list has this Dunce's email address, can they kindly send it to me offlist. When I'm back in September I'll make some time to contact him and see how he stands up to some scrutiny and will then publish our exchanges on this list. If my past experience is anything to go on, he'll be a slippery as hell, refusing to support his assertion with any credible argument (because he can't) and will either avoid answering direct questions or, more likely, respond with old-fashioned deflection. David - Original Message - From: mark urban [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 10:36 PM Subject: [cia-drugs] holy smokes! is there anyone who isn't a cia front? fintan dunne's J'ACCUSE moment on the internets. I think Webfairy escaped the fickle finger of fintan. http://www.kathymcmahon.utvinternet.com/mrn/TheCIAInternetFakes.htm The CIA's Internet Fakes by Fintan Dunne, Editor, BreakForNews.com 4th August, 2005 URLs: BreakForNews.com/TheCIAInternetFakes.htm WagNews.blogspot.com/2005/08/cias-internet-fakes.html Note: We do not contend that everyone associated with these websites are knowing intelligence operatives. Some have been professionally manipulated, others merely misled. In any event these are promoting the psyop agendas and disinformation themes of the covert controllers. This is also not meant to be a fully comprehensive listing of all the fake websites. The CIA Fakes presented by BreakForNews.com PsyOpNews.com and Wagnews.Blogspot.com airamericaradio.com albasrah.net aljazeera.net aljazeera.com almartinraw.com americanfreepress.net angieon911.com antiwar.com apfn.org arcticbeacon.com batr.org bellaciao.org bilderberg.org blackboxvoting.org bradblog.com buzzflash.com cloakanddagger.ca coasttocoastam.com conspiracyarchive.com conspiracyplanet.com commondreams.org cooperativeresearch.org counterpunch.org cryptome.org davidicke.com deepblacklies.co.uk democracynow.org dieoff.com earthfiles.com ellsberg.net fromthewilderness.com globalresearch.ca halfpasthuman.com infoclearinghouse.info infowars.com inn.globalfreepress.com internationalanswer.org jackblood.net jihadunspun.com jimmarrs.com jmccanneyscience.com johnbuchanan.org johnkaminski.com judicialwatch.org justacitizen.com justicefor911.org karlschwarz.com konformist.com kurtnimmo.com larouchepub.com legitgov.com letsroll911.org libertyforum.org libertythink.com lovearth.net madcowprod.com meria.net monbiot.com moveon.org mysteriesofthemind.com narconews.com newswithviews.com newtopiamagazine.com nomorefakenews.com occupationwatch.org oilempire.us onlinejournal.com peakoil.net plaguepuppy.net prisonplanet.com propagandamatrix.com questionsquestions.net ralphnader.com radioliberty.com rawstory.com rbnlive.com recombinomics.com rense.com reopen911.org rigorousintuition.blogspot riverbend.blogspot rumormillnews.com sanderhicks.com savethemales.ca septembereleventh.org skolnicksreport.com standdown.net stanley2002.org team8plus.org tomflocco.com thepowerhour.com thetruthseeker.co.uk truefacts.co.uk truthout.org tvnewslies.org unansweredquestions.org uruknet.info vialls.net votetoimpeach.org wanttoknow.info whatreallyhappened.com wingtv.net worldaffairsbrief.com xymphora.blogspot 911citizenswatch.org 911forthetruth.com 911truth.org 911truthradio.com The CIA Fakes presented by BreakForNews.com PsyOpNews.com and Wagnews.Blogspot.com Note: We do not contend that everyone associated with these websites are knowing intelligence operatives. Some have been professionally manipulated, others merely misled. In any event these are promoting the psyop agendas and disinformation themes of the covert controllers. This is also not meant to be a fully
[cia-drugs] Re: holy smokes! is there anyone who isn't a cia front?
since the email address is auto trucated by the program, let us call fintan's email as follows: fintan(ampersand)breakfornews.com --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, mark urban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, David Guyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been away for a couple of weeks and have just returned...but am off again today for awhile, but I will revert to any post on this topic when I return. I've just seen the post that places my website www.deepblacklies.co.uk in the category of a CIA fake website by one Fintan Dunne - who I don't know and who doesn't know me. Doesn't this guy know that there are at least thirteen intelligence agencies in the US? Why is it that all those websites listed only work for the CIA. Don't any of the other twelve intell agencies employ contractors to disseminate dininfo. Sure they do. I'm thinking of one right now, in fact... Anyway. if anyone on this list has this Dunce's email address, can they kindly send it to me offlist. When I'm back in September I'll make some time to contact him and see how he stands up to some scrutiny and will then publish our exchanges on this list. If my past experience is anything to go on, he'll be a slippery as hell, refusing to support his assertion with any credible argument (because he can't) and will either avoid answering direct questions or, more likely, respond with old-fashioned deflection. David - Original Message - From: mark urban [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 10:36 PM Subject: [cia-drugs] holy smokes! is there anyone who isn't a cia front? fintan dunne's J'ACCUSE moment on the internets. I think Webfairy escaped the fickle finger of fintan. http://www.kathymcmahon.utvinternet.com/mrn/TheCIAInternetFakes.htm The CIA's Internet Fakes by Fintan Dunne, Editor, BreakForNews.com 4th August, 2005 URLs: BreakForNews.com/TheCIAInternetFakes.htm WagNews.blogspot.com/2005/08/cias-internet-fakes.html Note: We do not contend that everyone associated with these websites are knowing intelligence operatives. Some have been professionally manipulated, others merely misled. In any event these are promoting the psyop agendas and disinformation themes of the covert controllers. This is also not meant to be a fully comprehensive listing of all the fake websites. The CIA Fakes presented by BreakForNews.com PsyOpNews.com and Wagnews.Blogspot.com airamericaradio.com albasrah.net aljazeera.net aljazeera.com almartinraw.com americanfreepress.net angieon911.com antiwar.com apfn.org arcticbeacon.com batr.org bellaciao.org bilderberg.org blackboxvoting.org bradblog.com buzzflash.com cloakanddagger.ca coasttocoastam.com conspiracyarchive.com conspiracyplanet.com commondreams.org cooperativeresearch.org counterpunch.org cryptome.org davidicke.com deepblacklies.co.uk democracynow.org dieoff.com earthfiles.com ellsberg.net fromthewilderness.com globalresearch.ca halfpasthuman.com infoclearinghouse.info infowars.com inn.globalfreepress.com internationalanswer.org jackblood.net jihadunspun.com jimmarrs.com jmccanneyscience.com johnbuchanan.org johnkaminski.com judicialwatch.org justacitizen.com justicefor911.org karlschwarz.com konformist.com kurtnimmo.com larouchepub.com legitgov.com letsroll911.org libertyforum.org libertythink.com lovearth.net madcowprod.com meria.net monbiot.com moveon.org mysteriesofthemind.com narconews.com newswithviews.com newtopiamagazine.com nomorefakenews.com occupationwatch.org oilempire.us onlinejournal.com peakoil.net plaguepuppy.net prisonplanet.com propagandamatrix.com questionsquestions.net ralphnader.com radioliberty.com rawstory.com rbnlive.com recombinomics.com rense.com reopen911.org rigorousintuition.blogspot riverbend.blogspot rumormillnews.com sanderhicks.com savethemales.ca septembereleventh.org skolnicksreport.com standdown.net stanley2002.org team8plus.org tomflocco.com thepowerhour.com thetruthseeker.co.uk truefacts.co.uk truthout.org tvnewslies.org unansweredquestions.org uruknet.info vialls.net votetoimpeach.org wanttoknow.info whatreallyhappened.com wingtv.net worldaffairsbrief.com xymphora.blogspot 911citizenswatch.org 911forthetruth.com 911truth.org 911truthradio.com The CIA Fakes presented by BreakForNews.com PsyOpNews.com and Wagnews.Blogspot.com Note: We do
[cia-drugs] Re: Fwd: Oil Industry
there is some disinfo in this article. Kruparak has much more oil than 6 billion barrels. there is no mention of gull island. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Begin forwarded message: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: August 16, 2005 9:50:12 AM PDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Oil Industry http://www.gravmag.com/oil.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hqc42ob/M=362329.6886306.7839369.3040540/D=groups/S=1705372463:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1124221487/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] atta protected because of drug money to fla. politicos
now up at the MadCowMorningNews Aug 17,Venice,FL--Mohamed Atta was protected from official scrutiny as part of an officially-protected criminal narcotics trafficking enterprise with ties to top Republican officials including Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris, and it was this factand not the terrible lapses of weak on terror Clinton Administration officials cited by Republican Congressman Curt Weldonwhich shielded him from apprehension before the 9.11 attack. The terrible lapses cited by Weldon do not stem from his nonsensical assertion that Atta had a green card (he did not) which rendered him immune from military investigation, but were instead resulted from his participation in an officially-protected heroin trafficking operation, conducted on planes like those of Wally Hilliard, whose Lear jet flew milk runs down and back to Venezuela every week for 39 weeks in a row before finally running afoul of local DEA agents not clued-in to the protected nature of the enterprise. Moreover the secret military intelligence operation which identified Mohamed Atta and three other hijackers as a threat a year before the 9.11 attack, called Able Danger, was by no means the first military intelligence investigation into the activities of the Hamburg cadre. As far back as 1991, military investigators had been detailed to Hamburg Germany, tracking what one military investigator who was there told us were Al Qaeda heroin flows from Afghanistan to the West. read the whole story @www.madcowprod.com TheMadCowMorningNews When Matt Katie aren't enough. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12h9ib5mn/M=362329.6886306.7839369.3040540/D=groups/S=1705372463:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1124306246/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: I think Fintan is wrapped just a bit too tight
Absolute, unadulterated bullshit, Rosalee. You seek vindication everytime there is dissent in the alternative community. You weave shit and cotton hats and then beg us to put them on our heads like dunce caps. Go back to Sean McBride and ask him if the oil companies are still losing money and oppose invading the middle east? Nobody can take what you say seriously because you are all over the place. Was it scalar weapons? or was it holograms? What a crock! Please cut the crap and paddle your horse shit elsewhere! --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly the same excuse all you schnookies fell for in reference to the BTS database. http://iinet.net.au/~holmgren/1177.html used to make people ignore the fact that Flights 11 and 77 were not scheduled for that day. The debunkery is that it supposed to be preplanted misinformation preset to wait for an intrepid researcher to find it. Hopsicker gets slammed with the same dippy excuse. mark urban wrote: Fintan's third installment on 911 fakes attempts to crap all over Hopsicker's work re: Atta's ex-girlfriend Amanda Keller. Hopsicker had to track her down. He found her as a result of following leads from people in and around Huffman Aviation. Dunne wants us to believe she was a plant waiting for Hopsicker to come along so she could disinform him. However, for Fintan's assertions to be true, you would need many more disinformers than Keller. You would need to have all the bar owners, rental car company employees, aviation types, cab drivers and many other regular folks whom Hopsicker interviewed to be in on the scam also. If Fintan is saying it is all in Hopsicker's mind, then I know he is full of it; however, for Dunne to think that the Florida end of 911 was a complete fictitious legend waiting for the likes of Daniel Hopsicker to stumble upon it, then I am afraid that fintan has been cooking too much corned beef and cabbage with the windows closed. Fintan does not do any investigating on his own. He collects information that others have researched. How the hell is he in a position to pass judgement on Hopsicker's work? Why does he think his flaccid instincts are better than those of a seasoned investigator? Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hn4e6i4/M=362329.6886306.7839369.3040540/D=groups/S=1705372463:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1124314267/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: I think Fintan is wrapped just a bit too tight
Hopsicker lays out numerous facts. He believes that Atta's drug involvement changed his personality from meticulous control freak to vengeful psychopath. Remember the dismembered kittens story? In other words, cocaine induced psychosis explains Atta's personality change. Corned beef and cabbage is a dish whose preparation stinks to high heaven. If you prepare it in an unventilated kitchen, you can be overcome. I remember the Astoria, NY apartment buildings of my youth. You could always tell which apartment had Irish occupants by the cooking odors. Either the apartment was inhabited by a decaying corpse, or an irish family was cooking the aforementioned meal. You never smelled death when italians prepared dinner - but that is another story for another time. As far as accepting government involvement - I went from LIHOP to MIHOP after I heard the Larry Silverstein pull it confession. Governments do terrible things to the very people they are sworn to protect. This BBS is called CIA-DRUGS - that is because there is a government protected drug running network whose profits fund clandestine activities all over the world. Mark. -- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, LeaNder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, mark urban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fintan's third installment on 911 fakes attempts to crap all over Hopsicker's work re: Atta's ex-girlfriend Amanda Keller. Hopsicker had to track her down. He found her as a result of following leads from people in and around Huffman Aviation. Dunne wants us to believe she was a plant waiting for Hopsicker to come along so she could disinform him. However, for Fintan's assertions to be true, you would need many more disinformers than Keller. You would need to have all the bar owners, rental car company employees, aviation types, cab drivers and many other regular folks whom Hopsicker interviewed to be in on the scam also. Mark, a couple of thoughts, without having time to take a closer look at the context. Initially we had rumors floating around the net about doubles? Personally I am more in favor of the let it happen theory or a rather arrogant position something like that will never happen in the US, so let's better cover our failures to respond adequately on 9- 11. I seem to be unable to accept the Machiavellian dimensions of the involvement or US services as part of the planning process. Yes, I am politically naive. But I can see what dots would lead me to at least think along the lines. And one is the coup that got Bush into power and the surfacing of Florida in both stories. But the Armanda Keller story is so far off the portraits of the Hamburg Atta that I am wondering indeed. I have always had my reservations to Der Spiegel, who was the main media over here in painting the Atta picture. Can you imagine a secret service asset and fortune hunter with multiple passports in the big money dope game AND on a martyr trip? Have you ever seen interviews with Atta's father? Am I to believe these were planted? the guy seemed rather fanatical. ... If Fintan is saying it is all in Hopsicker's mind, then I know he is full of it; however, for Dunne to think that the Florida end of 911 was a complete fictitious legend waiting for the likes of Daniel Hopsicker to stumble upon it, then I am afraid that fintan has been cooking too much corned beef and cabbage with the windows closed. Could you possibly translate the last sentence for a stranger's eyes? Basically the involvement theory would suggest things like this. Leave leads to distract people. At least theoretically? No? How many photos did we have of Atta? Are there any of Amanda's Atta? People can look pretty different on photos unfortunately? And Atta's feature do not appear completely unique to me. Fintan does not do any investigating on his own. He collects information that others have researched. How the hell is he in a position to pass judgement on Hopsicker's work? Why does he think his flaccid instincts are better than those of a seasoned investigator? I do not know Hopsicker's work below the surface. Compared with Ruppert, I thing he is the far better writer. And definitely I thus seem to favor him as a person, if I had to decide between the two. But why would the powers that be use Atta in the drug market field too? If there was involvement at all, the attacks must have had high priority. Would you really take the chances that one of your main assets surfaces in an alternative scenario? I just realize bridging this mental gap would be: Attac et al, did not really know the real plan including that they would be dead in the end? I seem to be highly suspicious of the testament. what am I missing? Barbara Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http
[cia-drugs] Re: Fintan
The thing that saddens me most is how the bastards have completely compromised the election process in America. Computerized voting without a papertrail is so easy to manipulate that the creeps cannot resist doing it. I used to think that an informed public could overcome the elite deviants; however, I doubt it will ever happen. There is some serious gnashing of the teeth kind of trouble in the offing where putting food in one's mouth and finding a warm place to sleep will eclipse truth seeking and the pursuit of justice. I am cynical because my kids are inheriting a world that is much worse than the one I inherited. -- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, LeaNder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, mark urban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hopsicker lays out numerous facts. He believes that Atta's drug involvement changed his personality from meticulous control freak to vengeful psychopath. Remember the dismembered kittens story? In other words, cocaine induced psychosis explains Atta's personality change. thanks Mark, concerning cabbage I am an absolute fan of savoy cabbage and I never noticed it stinks. Maybe a bit?!?... if it is reheated - my father insists with broad grin and satisfied face: That's when it tastes best! AND we do love Munster cheese from Alsace too. Many people have problems with it's odeur even a mile off. Lovely, I tell you! It's a pleasure to see you are still around. And thanks for devoting your time! private note: The pope is over Makom Cologne. He just visited the synagogue around the corner. The demand from the Jewish side is that the archives concerning 1933-1945 are opened. What strings are pulled in Argentine during the last decades that we should not really want to find out more about their special deals or about alternatively as US and Israel intel thinks a Iraq connections in bombing, entangled via it's authoritative columns and it's respective representatives (police, jurisdiction)? A friend over here - later artist - went to the police instead to military. He secretly kept a secret (verboten!)diary. He published it anonymous: Ach we gut dass niemand weiss, dass ich Rumpelstilzchen heiß! Rumpelstiltken (spelling?!). One of his colleagues a really funny guy - ?hmmm - lived a little keg in the machinery of street trade layers. The funny cop kept telling him, when he had to stay out of the scene. That was in Hamburg, end of the seventies early eighties. Whatever happened to him? But reading the anonymous training manual, sounded frightening, and you perfectly understood that it wasn't wanted or expected to be read ever! Were else was the germane police mind set indoctrinated? You sound much more cynical lately, who has stolen your sense of humor? hoping I did not steal too much of your time! How about releasing a copy of Death Alliance? http://www.secure.bookcrossing.com/store/ ne'multes KRAUT de Cologne Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hbumv8d/M=362329.6886306.7839369.3040540/D=groups/S=1705372463:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1124509252/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: Fintan
In NYC most pizza places use commercial mozzarella that tastes and feels far different from the beautiful soft, fresh mozzarella served as an appetizer with tomato and mint. Aside from Wolfgang Puck's or a few boutique pizza places, most restaurants never put fresh mozzarella into a pizza pie - too expensive to be economically feasible. An interesting note - when I was a boy, our next door neighbor was an italian lady who used to bake sicilian pizza in her home oven. Her secret was that instead of using mozzarella, she used muenster cheese, which tastes very much like mozzarella when melted. This just goes to show you that what we call muenster cheese in the US is probably just crap compared to what Barbara gets in Europe. Furthermore, the pizza that I have eaten all my life is far different from what people in Naples call Pizza - we have a fixation with tomato sauce that just does not exist in Italy. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LeaNder wrote: --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, mark urban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hopsicker lays out numerous facts. He believes that Atta's drug involvement changed his personality from meticulous control freak to vengeful psychopath. Remember the dismembered kittens story? In other words, cocaine induced psychosis explains Atta's personality change. thanks Mark, concerning cabbage I am an absolute fan of savoy cabbage and I never noticed it stinks. Maybe a bit?!?... if it is reheated - my father insists with broad grin and satisfied face: That's when it tastes best! AND we do love Munster cheese from Alsace too. Many people have problems with it's odeur even a mile off. Lovely, I tell you! I like stewed cabbage. Whatever cheap meat is used for flavoring is not important. None is fine. Use a pressure cooker and then open it near a window or outside(in the hallway or alley). There was an article recently about French and Swiss cheeses decreasing steadily in variety due to bigcorp propaganda against starting cheese from raw milk with live bacteria. Live good bacteria competes with bad bacteria so that raw milk cheese lasts longer, even in the refrigerator, than nazi bigcorp's dead cheese. Bacteria have something to do with the flavor. Nazis would save us from flavor. We would all have the same safe, dead cheese, and pay more for it for the great effort made to secure it from all bacterial contamination, alleged to be harmful, not flavorful or preservative(by means of competititon). Zero crime is unbalanced. A mixture of good and bad bacteria is safer and tastes better and lasts longer in or out of the refrigerator(the slammer). Simple. But what is the relationship of bacteria, flavor, and stench? Cheese stench is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Just when things were getting simple. Cold War cartoons taught children to despise Limberger cheese. Unless that's from Alsace-Lorraine, it's not French. Could it be simply the stinkiest and nothing more? Muenster is not even the butt of derision, it's very common in stores here. The yogurt cheese which is my staple is probably made from raw milk, as yogurt would seem to mean. We have specifically made from raw milk cheeses from France and Switzerland, very nice. The difference between an Italian pizza restaurant and various mideastern pizza places(Lebanese, Palestinian, Iraqi, Egyptian) is that the Italians use real imported high grade Italian cheese. I don't know if it's made from raw milk. I think that France is down to less than ten percent raw milk cheese. The first step to radiating all cheese at the grocery checkout is keychain barcode tags tied to political databasing and discounts. For our protection from deadly Osama and Saddam bacteria of course. -Bob Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hg70f1d/M=362329.6886306.7839369.3040540/D=groups/S=1705372463:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1124511032/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Dan Hopsicker attacked again!
Fintan has surpassed himself. Without offering one iota of hard evidence, Dunne asserts that Amanda Keller's story is carefully sprinkled chicken feed that Hopsicker either knowingly or unknowingly passed on to the rest of us. Fintan has fallen prey to the fallacy of begging the question. He assumes the very thing that he attempts to prove. I think this pernicious fuck has to be taken on directly, because the silence of those he criticises may be taken as tacit agreement with his message. Dan has been slimed. Fintan is saying that he has been monitoring all of the alternative news sites for the past three years in an attempt to catch the disinformers at their games. If Hopsicker is phony, then I give up. I'll just listen Sean Hannity, Bill O'reilly and Rush Limbaugh until they find me dead on a toilet with fifty pounds of undigested lunchmeat in my colon. www.breakfornews.com You can't miss the attack piece. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hpo2spu/M=362329.6886306.7839369.3040540/D=groups/S=1705372463:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1124629748/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: The attack of 9/11 was not an isolated instance of al-Qaida infiltration into the United States,
I guess when Michael Springman was being forced by his state department superiors to give business visas to obvious non businessmen from saudi arabia, it was all the work of al quaida. Has al quaida infiltrated the CIA or vice versa? Enquiring minds wanna know. Michael Springman was a contributor to the Kristina Borjesson book INTO THE BUZZSAW. He was a member of the American Embassy in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia who caught hell from the CIA desk for refusing visas to men who obviously were not arab businessmen. Accuracy in Media's founder was paid by the CIA to purposely attack JFK researchers who did not buy into the Oswald lone nutter theory. World Net Daily's Joe Farah is a token arab in the zionist firmament. You keep drinking from the same poisoned wells in an attempt to draw sustenance. What is wrong with you? --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050830/D8CA09N80.html By LARA JAKES JORDAN WASHINGTON (AP) - Some used false documents to enter the United States; others let their legal visas expire once in the country. And at least 21 foreign nationals became naturalized U.S. citizens before being charged or convicted as terrorists. In all, at least 94 foreign-born visitors accused of terror activity between 1993 and 2004 exploited federal immigration laws to enter or remain in the United States, according to a study being released Tuesday. Distributed by the Center for Immigration Studies, an advocate for stricter immigration policies, the report provides newly compiled data on U.S. terror arrests to illustrate gaps in the nation's border security, visa approval and immigration systems. It was written by Janice Kephart, who served as counsel to the 9/11 Commission that investigated missteps leading to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. The attack of 9/11 was not an isolated instance of al-Qaida infiltration into the United States, the 46-page report found. In fact, dozens of operatives both before and after 9/11 - other than the 9/11 hijackers - have managed to enter and embed themselves in the United States, actively carrying out plans to commit terrorist acts against U.S. interests or support designated foreign terrorist organizations, the report concluded. For each to do so, they needed the guise of legal immigration status to support them. Overall, 59 of 94 foreign-born nationals who were either convicted or indicted on terror charges broke federal immigration laws to enter or remain in the country between 1993 and 2004, the report found. It also noted: _Twenty-two of the 94 either had student visas or other applications approving them to study in the United States; another 17 used visitor visas to enter the country. _In at least 13 instances, suspected and convicted terrorists overstayed their temporary visas. _Seven of the 94 were indicted for using false driver's licenses, birth certificates, Social Security cards and immigration records. _Twenty-one became naturalized citizens. The report identified many of the immigrants as affiliated with at least one terror organization, including 40 with al-Qaida, 16 with Hamas, 16 with the Palestinian or Egyptian Islamic Jihad, and six with Hezbollah. Tightening U.S. borders has become a top priority for Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, who last week called immigration enforcement an issue of utmost importance. The Homeland Security Department has enacted a slew of programs, including stricter background checks, visa security systems and sharing intelligence with international allies, to harden immigration laws against terrorists, spokesman Russ Knocke said. Since June 2003, the department has investigated 7,100 cases of immigrants suspected of violating temporary visas, resulting in 1,339 arrests, Knocke said. New department programs and others would have placed a significantly greater amount of scrutiny on the 9/11 hijackers, vastly improving the odds of stopping them before they could have completed their attacks, Knocke said. Recent studies indicate immigration-related cases made up for nearly 33 percent of all federal prosecutions last year, more than any other crime. A spokesman for the National Immigration Forum, an immigration advocacy group, did not immediately return telephone calls seeking comment Monday evening. --- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpgUKB/pzNLAA/cUmLAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[cia-drugs] Re: The attack of 9/11 was not an isolated instance of al-Qaida infiltration into the United States,
Right, Jim! I am just a smear artist. Here's my challenge: 1. let any rational human being read your last twenty posts. 2. Then ask that same person for an opinion of your bias. I will abide by their opinion. I will not comment again on your posts. Good luck and best of health! Mark Urban --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now Mark I recognize you for what you are. Your tactics of attacking sources with unsupported smears instead of contesting the facts give you away, The poison is in your mind, I'm not going to play that game anymore. JR - Original Message - From: mark urban [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:39 AM Subject: [cia-drugs] Re: The attack of 9/11 was not an isolated instance of al-Qaida infiltration into the United States, I guess when Michael Springman was being forced by his state department superiors to give business visas to obvious non businessmen from saudi arabia, it was all the work of al quaida. Has al quaida infiltrated the CIA or vice versa? Enquiring minds wanna know. Michael Springman was a contributor to the Kristina Borjesson book INTO THE BUZZSAW. He was a member of the American Embassy in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia who caught hell from the CIA desk for refusing visas to men who obviously were not arab businessmen. Accuracy in Media's founder was paid by the CIA to purposely attack JFK researchers who did not buy into the Oswald lone nutter theory. World Net Daily's Joe Farah is a token arab in the zionist firmament. You keep drinking from the same poisoned wells in an attempt to draw sustenance. What is wrong with you? --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050830/D8CA09N80.html By LARA JAKES JORDAN WASHINGTON (AP) - Some used false documents to enter the United States; others let their legal visas expire once in the country. And at least 21 foreign nationals became naturalized U.S. citizens before being charged or convicted as terrorists. In all, at least 94 foreign-born visitors accused of terror activity between 1993 and 2004 exploited federal immigration laws to enter or remain in the United States, according to a study being released Tuesday. Distributed by the Center for Immigration Studies, an advocate for stricter immigration policies, the report provides newly compiled data on U.S. terror arrests to illustrate gaps in the nation's border security, visa approval and immigration systems. It was written by Janice Kephart, who served as counsel to the 9/11 Commission that investigated missteps leading to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. The attack of 9/11 was not an isolated instance of al-Qaida infiltration into the United States, the 46-page report found. In fact, dozens of operatives both before and after 9/11 - other than the 9/11 hijackers - have managed to enter and embed themselves in the United States, actively carrying out plans to commit terrorist acts against U.S. interests or support designated foreign terrorist organizations, the report concluded. For each to do so, they needed the guise of legal immigration status to support them. Overall, 59 of 94 foreign-born nationals who were either convicted or indicted on terror charges broke federal immigration laws to enter or remain in the country between 1993 and 2004, the report found. It also noted: _Twenty-two of the 94 either had student visas or other applications approving them to study in the United States; another 17 used visitor visas to enter the country. _In at least 13 instances, suspected and convicted terrorists overstayed their temporary visas. _Seven of the 94 were indicted for using false driver's licenses, birth certificates, Social Security cards and immigration records. _Twenty-one became naturalized citizens. The report identified many of the immigrants as affiliated with at least one terror organization, including 40 with al-Qaida, 16 with Hamas, 16 with the Palestinian or Egyptian Islamic Jihad, and six with Hezbollah. Tightening U.S. borders has become a top priority for Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, who last week called immigration enforcement an issue of utmost importance. The Homeland Security Department has enacted a slew of programs, including stricter background checks, visa security systems and sharing intelligence with international allies, to harden immigration laws against terrorists, spokesman Russ Knocke said. Since June 2003, the department has investigated 7,100 cases of immigrants suspected of violating temporary visas, resulting in 1,339 arrests, Knocke said. New department programs and others would have placed a significantly greater amount of scrutiny on the 9/11
[cia-drugs] Re: Religion Of Zarathustra Is For All Mankindl'
Let me get this straight. A religion that predominated in Persia and was then displaced by Islam, so much so that its adherents had to flee to India, is now attempting to make a comeback. If I am not too far off, I believe that the Indian Leaders allowed the Parsis to settle there provided they did not intermarry or proselytize. While these old rules may now not apply, I believe the Parsis are dying out. Good luck in your efforts. If you want to make your religion popular, you've got to have a gimmick that will hook the poor. Try throwing around lots of money. Make sure you air condition your houses of worship, and create schools that do not charge for educating young students. People will convert in droves. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Homi Wadia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Friends, Peace And Love, All religions are beautiful. But, it is the devil in man that pushes him away from his beautiful religion and turns him into an ugly ogre, a vicious demon, who devours humanity and human values. The followers of that great faith of Zarathustra has always respected different Faiths and Beliefs, even though they were persecuted and exiled from their homeland. I who am Zarathushtra will make the heads of the houses, the villages, province and country to follow and think about this world religion, thinking in conformity with, speaking in conformity with and acting in conformity with this religion as revealed to Zarathushtra by Ahura Mazda. It gives me pleasure to share with you some of the teachings avout my faith. With love for all and malice towards none, Dr Homi Wadia RELIGION OF ZARATHUSHTRA IS FOR ALL MANKIND Cyrus P Mehta In the twenties and thirties of the 20th century, it was a common belief within the Parsi community that A Parsi is a Zoroastrian and a Zoroastrian is a Parsi. At that time most Parsi boys and girls attended Parsi Schools. The community lived in large numbers in towns like Bombay, Surat, Navsari, Karachi and a few others. As such it was natural for it to accept the belief quoted above. Time has marched on since those days. The Parsi community now lives in smaller scattered groups in the U.S.A., Canada, United Kingdom, Australia and other counties. It is anxious to preserve its traditional way of life and the communal-cum-religious identity. With the passage of time, interfaith marriages have increased within the community. So far no concrete proposals have been considered as to how the non-Zoroastrian spouses and their children can be partially or fully integrated within the communal fold. One of the main reasons why this difficulty has arisen is due to the fact that a large section of the community has not understood or is unwilling to accept the basic fact that Prophets address their messages to the whole of mankind and not necessarily to a group of people or a community. Once this fact is understood and accepted, the community will be in a much better position to accept certain socio-religious changes within the communal structure. As to how this can be brought about is a matter for consideration by local and larger Zoroastrian bodies in different parts of the world. It may be that no single course of action will be possible because of cultural and political circumstances prevailing in different countries. Below are some passages from GATHAS and other Zoroastrian scriptures and prayers, together with the comments of scholars of the Zoroastrian religion, on the above-mentioned subject. Gatha Ahunavati 4.3 (Yasna 31.3) What Thou hast through the Inner Fire disclosed The Bliss through Asha promised to us all, The Law Divine for the discerning soul; -- All that to us, Mazda clear explain, In words of inspiration from Thy mouth, To help us to convert all living men. (Dr. I.J.S. Taraporewala?s translation) Commenting on the above verse, Prof. A.V. Jackson wrote:- Zoroaster?s religion was active and vigorous, seeking and gaining converts, as we see from many passages in the Gathas. (A Hymn of Zarathushtra ? Yasna 31 by Jackson. Page 27) About the same verse, Prof. Lawrence Mills wrote:- And he (Zarathushtra) declares that this is the doctrine which should be proclaimed for the conversion of mankind. Here we observe that Zarathushtrian Mazda-worship was aggressive and missionary in its spirit, and in a proselytising sense by no means indifferent to the final destiny of the Gentile World. (Sacred Books of the East Vol.XXX1, The Zend Avesta, Part III, Page 37) Gatha Ushtavaiti 3.1 (Yasna 45.1) Now will I speak; give ear and mind as well, All ye who come from near and far to learn, Remember well these clear Truths, I teach;-- Never again shall Evil Teachers seek Life to destroy, nor offer unto dupes with specious words the pleasant paths of wrong. (Dr. I.J.S. Taraporewala?s translation) Here Zarathushtra clearly gives out
[cia-drugs] Re: Jim Garrison by Joan Mellen
In addition to writing the book, Joan is the ex-wife of Ralph Schoenman. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, JB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Author Joan Mellen's newest book *A Farewell To Justice - Jim Garrison, JFK's assassination and the case that should have changed History,* builds upon Jim Garrison's investigation of the JFK assassination. Mellen uncovers decisive new evidence and clearly establishes the intelligence agencies' roles in both a president's assassination and its cover-up, set in motion well before the actual events of November 22, 1963. http://www.blackopradio.com/black234a.ram - Joans interview about the book with Len Osanic and Anita Langley Based on recently declassified U.S. government documents, she demonstrates how the FBI and CIA attempted to destroy a key investigation and establishes that Lee Harvey Oswald was set up as a scapegoat. Don't be disappointed. Pre order this book before the dark forces privish it. (a means of making a book disappear by buying large lots quantities, then warehousing it, and/or harassing publishers.) *http://tinyurl.com/bbzms * Jim Garrison on Johnny Carson show 1967.priceless. http://www.blackopradio.com/black214a.ram - Part 1 http://www.blackopradio.com/black214b.ram - Part 2 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpgUKB/pzNLAA/cUmLAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: Gpv. Blzmco - Louisiana
Be careful, jim will accuse you of being a smear artist. it's a roving we will go. But, then again, jim wants bush impeached too. how silly of me. Check out the website where he linked the jon christian ryter article. on the left side of the column is an offer to buy signed artwork the subject of which is a picture of bush rolling up his sleeves and getting to work. Oy VEY! Jim, My god, have you no shame? --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, JSvj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (September 05, 2005 -- 01:17 AM EDT // link // print) As noted, the Washington Post got burned today by a senior Bush official who told them that Gov. Blanco of Louisiana had never declared a state of emergency in the site -- a claim the Post printed as fact. Yet the claim was demonstrably false and by late afternoon the Post had been compelled to print a correction. This week's Newsweek contains the same false claim -- and though their recital of the anecdote is unsourced, common sense suggests that someone or some operation fed them both the same line, which neither organization checked out before running. Monday's Times, not surprisingly, confirms that the White House damage control operation is being run by Karl Rove and Dan Bartlett. Add it up. And who will report this out? http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ On Sep 5, 2005, at 0:27, Jim Rarey wrote: A partial answer why it took so long. There was no ontingency plan for a hurricane higher than a category three, which is the worst case scenario under which the levees were built JR http://www.jonchristianryter.com/News_Folder/Behind.html Home News Behind the Headlines Two-Cents Worth Short Takes The Ryter Report Articles Testimony Bible Questions Internet Articles (2005) Internet Articles (2004) Internet Articles (2003) Internet Articles (2002) Internet Articles (2001) From The Mailbag Books Books Order Books Mouse Mall Search About About Comments Links Awards Sept. 4, 2005Labor Day Weekend Gov. Blanco is responsible for Katrina aftermath catastrophe Put a public school teacher in the governor's mansion and you'll have a pedagogue as the chief executive every time. It really doesn't matter how long she's in office, she'll always be a schoolmarm who's out of her element and in over her headthe Peter Principle epitomized.Unfortunately for the people of New Orleans, it took a crisis of cataclysmic proportions in which thousands of people suffered physical deprivation and emotional humiliation and hundreds died before anyone realized that when you elect a follower as your leader, no one makes realistic plans for the crisis until a catastrophe occurs, and while waiting for someone to say, This way, follow me...everyone becomes hopelessly stagnate. And, that's what happened in New Orleans. Louisiana governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco is one of those pedagogues. She needs to be back teaching classes at Breaux Bridge High Schoolnot as the chief executive of a State. If the voters of Louisiana are smart in 2007 they will provide her with a job transferand send Lt. Governor Mitchell Landrieu packing as well.Both of them fiddled while Rome burned, believing they could best deal with the multitude of problems in New Orleans after the flood waters subsided and the damage caused by Hurricane Katrina could be more safely and accurately assessed. The tragedy that unfolded in New Orleans in the wake of the floodwaters ofHurricane Katrina should be a political career- buster. Between now and the federal elections in November, 2006 and the gubernatorial elections in 2007, Louisiana's Democratic Party led by Sen. Mary Landrieu (Mitch Landrieu's sister) will have to convince the State's 67% black majority that the suffering they endured during Hurricane Katrina was the fault of President George W. Bushwho was too busy enjoying his summer vacation at his ranch in Crawford, Texas to deal with the tragedy that was unfolding in Louisiana. That's the argument she has pushed at all of the press conferences she held after Katrina devastated the Gulf coast. On Fox News, Landrieu emphasized the fact that the US Army Corp of Engineers asked Congress for $27 million dollars in last year's omnibus budget bill, but only got $5 million to reinforce the levees around New Orleans. (Let's review: between Bush and Landrieu, which one is in Congress? The last time I read the US Constitution, only Senators and Congressmen could add line items to the legislation voted on by them. Presidents can either sign or veto the entire bill, but they can't
[cia-drugs] Sander Hicks' Book Kick Off Party
Tomorrow, 9/11/05, at 5 PM Sander Hicks is having a kick off party for his new book THE BIG WEDDING at his coffee shop located in Brooklyn, New York. The Big Wedding covers 911, Mo Atta, Delmart Vreeland and much much more Vox Pop Books, Coffee, Democracy 1022 Cortelyou Road, Flatbush, Brooklyn, NY (718) 340-2084 You can get more details at www.sanderhicks.com I intend to be there tomorrow with my two nephews. Sander is a writer, publisher, entrepreneur and musician based a few miles south east of ground zero. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpgUKB/pzNLAA/cUmLAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: CIA Assassination Manual
-what about james forrestal?-- In cia- [EMAIL PROTECTED], norgesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A STUDY OF ASSASSINATION the contrived accident is the most effective technique Care is required to insure that no wound or condition not attributable to the fall is discernible after death. http://www.frankolsonproject.org/Documents/Assassination% 20Manual.html --- New York Times article reporting declassification of CIA assassination manual. May 28, 1997 C.I.A. Plotted Killing of 58 in Guatemala By TIM WEINER ASHINGTON, May 27 -- The Central Intelligence Agency, plotting to overthrow the Guatemalan Government in the early 1950's, drew up a ''disposal list'' of at least 58 key leaders, and it trained assassins to kill them, newly declassified documents show. The coup, code-named Operation Success, toppled the freely elected President of Guatemala, Jacobo Arbenz Guzman, and installed the first of a series of right-wing leaders friendly to the United States. The assassination plans were never carried out, according to an official C.I.A. history of the coup. ''Until the day that Arbenz resigned in June 1954 the option of assassination was still being considered,'' the history concludes. The 1,400 pages of newly declassified documents represent fewer than 1 percent of the C.I.A.'s files on the coup. A former C.I.A. official, Clair E. George, testified in 1983 that the agency's records on the coup ran to about 180,000 pages. The C.I.A. also deleted the names of the Americans who carried out the coup. Those whose titles show up, but whose names were stricken from the records, include agency officials whose identities have long been public, like Frank Wisner, then the agency's chief of covert operations, and his field commander for the coup, Col. Albert Haney. This censorship drew a statement of regret on Sunday from Guatemala's Minister of Foreign Affairs, Eduardo Stein. The documents add at least three sets of important new information to the historical record: the existence of the assassination plans of the agency, aspects of its propaganda campaign against Mr. Arbenz, and details of the agency's early efforts to recruit members of the Guatemalan military. The planning began in 1952, after the President of Nicaragua, Anastasio Somoza Debayle, proposed to President Harry S. Truman that they work together to overthrow Mr. Arbenz, who had been elected in 1950. Mr. Arbenz's left-wing politics angered the United States. Mr. Truman told the C.I.A. to go forward. The agency launched a short-lived operation, shipping guns and money to Guatemalan exiles. The operation's cover was blown within five weeks and it was abandoned in October 1952. But the plan lived on. In 1953, under President Eisenhower, the C.I.A. drew up plans for assassinations, sabotage and propaganda to overthrow Mr. Arbenz. The assassination list contained the names of at least 58 Guatemalan supporters of Mr. Guzman who the C.I.A. suspected were Communists. Late that year, the National Security Council gave Operation Success the go-ahead. The State Department, by then led by John Foster Dulles, the brother of the Director of Central Intelligence, Allen W. Dulles, worked closely with the C.I.A. The coup went quickly, from June 16 through June 27, 1954, with radio propaganda and political subversion proving to be the most effective weapons. Mr. Arbenz resigned, denounced the United States and took refuge in Mexico. C.I.A. plans for Operation Success called for the assassinations, and the plans were discussed in great detail at very high levels of the agency and the State Department, the records show. No record of the formal approval or disapproval of the plans by President Eisenhower or the Dulles brothers has been made public. None likely exists. The newly released files include a 22-page how- to manual on murder that says, ''No assassination instructions should ever be written or recorded.'' The C.I.A. records show that it conducted what it called a ''nerve war'' against some of these targets -- government officials, ''unfriendly army officers'' and the like -- in 1953 and 1954. Its plans included sending them death threats; telephoning them, ''preferably between 2 and 5 A.M.,'' with blood-curdling warnings, and denouncing them to their superiors with accusations ranging ''from treason to tax evasion.'' And they show that the agency considered the Guatemalan military ''the only organized element in Guatemala'' through which political change could take place. That change, says a 1953 C.I.A. document, had to begin with the ''subversion and defection of army leaders.'' The agency has had Guatemalan military men on its payroll ever since. The 1954 coup was the first chapter in the C.I.A.'s long and continuing liaison with the Guatemalan military. Those ties deepened over the decades during a scorched-earth
[cia-drugs] Re: Fwd: Giuliani will be next US Pres
between now and then you'll have to amend the constitution --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Begin forwarded message: From: Robert Lederman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: September 10, 2005 5:30:19 AM PDT To: Robert Lederman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Giuliani will be next US Pres http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeser/cst-edt-roes10.html Chicago Sun Times Thomas Roeser If he runs for president in '08, Rudy can't fail September 10, 2005 BY THOMAS ROESER Hurricane Katrina may have changed the dimension of the nation's politics for 2008. With George W., we voted for him because he would take the fight against terrorism to its origination point: the Middle East. I salute that strategy and believe that Iraq will be democratized with great dividends for our international security. But next it'll be important to have a president who can slash through red tape and make us secure at home. The Katrina thing wasn't Bush's fault, but what was needed was a president who could pull the trigger domestically, knock heads together with the state and local governments and deliver resources quickly. That spells only one name for future president. In an ideal world he may not have been my first choice, but it's Rudy Giuliani. Giuliani played no role in taming Katrina, but as I saw New Orleans turn into an open sewer, all I could think of was what Giuliani would do. Threats to our country demand a Prince of the City: a prince fearless enough to write his own rules to establish order. And a prince emblematic of Machiavelli's book of the same name, one who can bluff winningly, who can engender fear and respect. As one conservative Republican woman in Temecula, Calif., told radio talk show host Hugh Hewitt: ''All that [meaning pro-life, pro-abortion] doesn't matter if we're not safe. By which she meant Giuliani, the indomitable ex-mayor of New York, the hero of 9/11. With Giuliani, the signal would be transmitted to all: He's determined that we will be safe at home. The Twin Towers disaster and Katrina were different, but what Giuliani did in New York was to direct the city while instructing the entire country as to what was happening and how he was going to fix it. Giuliani seized the day. He is running first in the 2008 Republican sweepstakes. They say he's a sinner, and I believe that. His personal life has been, up to his third marriage, awful. He slept on the couch at Gracie Mansion, vomited by his solitary self after chemotherapy for prostate cancer, wife No. 2 not caring enough to inquire about him. Now he's cured and is a wiser but sadder man. I like my presidents humbled somewhat. Fortunately, I am not alone in my high regard for Giuliani. The most recent Pew poll, which maps the political landscape, has Giuliani topping all contenders across a broad swath of public opinion. He rates highest among enterprisers, those who want to promote business (90 percent); social conservatives (75 percent); pro-government conservatives (69 percent); the upbeats who view the future positively (69 percent); taking with him a majority of the disaffected people who have felt depressed about the country's future (53 percent); doing nicely with disadvantaged Democrats (37 percent), and falling just short of a majority with liberals (47 percent). He has done this without the visible trappings of a campaign. There's only one guy in modern times who started with such an advantage: Dwight D. Eisenhower. When Eisenhower announced for president, few knew anything about him other than he was a man of decisiveness. On June 4, 1944, he looked at his watch and the weather reports and said, ''We'll go.'' Did we ever. And as for those who say that Giuliani is too liberal, I say: Wait for the change as the campaign unfolds and he won't have to romance just New York City. His critics forget the magical fluidity that is politics. Ike started out as an FDR man, JFK an America Firster, LBJ a segregationist, Nixon a Red China-basher. Reagan was originally a pro-choicer who co-founded Americans for Democratic Action. George H.W. Bush, who was called rubber George in the House, wanted the feds to control population and was an enthusiastic pro- choicer. And remember, George W. was a supporter of humble, stay-at-home foreign policy. One more thing: Let 'em pair Giuliani, whose words spout like bullets from a machine gun, with a veep who talks slow, with the vowels dripping syrup on hominy grits swimming with butter: Gov. Haley Barbour of Mississippi, who brilliantly handled Hurricane Katrina. Manhattan and Mississippi. Yeah: I like that. Daily News 9/11
[cia-drugs] Re: Officials delve deeper into 'Able Danger'
They could begin by calling the chief spook at the Israeli embassy; then they could ask Dan Hopsicker for a copy of his mohammed atta book. Then they could contact sander hicks and see what he has to say. this is just silly stuff for the consumption of the uninformed masses. none of this will stick. If they were serious about finding anything out, do you honestly believe Zelikow and Benveniste would be involved in the 911 commission? --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.timesherald.com/site/printerFriendly.cfm? brd=1672dept_id=33380newsid=15195991 09/12/2005 Officials delve deeper into 'Able Danger' By: KEITH PHUCAS , Times Herald Staff NORRISTOWN - After nearly a month of searching for evidence of the data-mining operation, Able Danger, the Pentagon has discovered three individuals who recall the defunct military intelligence program. This brings the total to five individuals who recall either seeing Sept. 11 hijacker Mohamed Atta's picture or hearing his name mentioned during the 15-month-long Special Operations Command project. However, the Defense Department still hasn't unearthed any documents related to the Able Danger operation, officials said at a Sept. 1 Pentagon briefing, and suggested that the data was purged from computer systems because it included information on U.S. persons. Officials also have not found a chart that four Able Danger co-workers said showed Atta's picture and his links to other terrorists prior to the Sept. 11 attacks. The Pentagon officials said they had interviewed nearly 80 people in an effort to find out about the enigmatic program that claims to have linked Atta to al-Qaeda and a terrorist cell in New York City. In August, Army Reserve Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, a Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) employee, went public with his allegations that the Pentagon killed the high-tech program more than a year before the terrorist attacks. But when Shaffer wanted to pull Special Operations together with the FBI to study Atta closer, he said Pentagon lawyers wouldn't allow it because some subjects of the operation were tagged as U.S. persons, and thus, eligible for protection from government surveillance. The intelligence program ran from the fall of 1999 until January 2001, according to Special Operations Commander Christopher Chope. Shaffer and Congressman Curt Weldon criticized the 9/11 Commission for discounting information Shaffer gave the panel about the discontinued secret operation. Shaffer and Weldon have suggested that the program might have disrupted the Sept. 11 plot if it hadn't been shut down. The Times Herald met with Shaffer in Congressman Curt Weldon's Capitol Hill office in June, and was the first to publish details of the Able Danger story on June 19. At that time, Shaffer asked not to be identified by name. Soon after DIA employee came forward last month, Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott, who headed up the Able Danger team at the Army Land Information Warfare Activity, in Ft. Belvoir, Va., corroborated Shaffer's story. A defense contractor, James D. Smith, was also identified as in press reports as being involved with the project. At the Pentagon briefing, Pat Downs, a senior policy analyst in the Office of the Undersecretary of Defense, said her office had interviewed 80 people about Able Danger so far. We identified three other individuals besides Mr. (Anthony) Shaffer and Capt. (Scott) Phillpott who have a recollection of either a chart with a photo of Mohamed Atta or a reference to (him), Downs said. She said her office was still actively working to locate others familiar with the program. Downs conceded that the Pentagon's difficulty in locating records of Able Danger was probably because the documents had been destroyed. In a major data-mining effort like this, you're reaching out to a lot of open sources and within that there could be a lot of information on U.S. persons, Downs said. According to Army Regulations 381-10, which governs how the Pentagon can gather and share intelligence information, a U.S. person is defined as a United States citizen, permanent resident alien or a foreign national lawfully admitted into the U.S. for permanent residency. We're not allowed to collect that type of information, Downs said. So there are strict regulations about collection, dissemination, destruction procedures for this type of information, and we know that that did happen in the case of Able Danger documentation. Yet, AR-381-10 allows the Department of Defense to collect data on U.S. persons if the information is publicly
[cia-drugs] Re: Officials delve deeper into 'Able Danger'
What I was referring to was the very highly documented fact that the Israelis were monitoring the very same people that abledanger was purported to have been monitoring. You may not need a desk the size of what is in Benelux, all you need is to debrief the sayanim when they get their travel documents to visit Israel. By the way, who is MEGA? If you wanted to corroborate Abledanger, just ask the Mossad for a briefing on its own investigation of the 911 patsies. I am in no way saying that Israel is the the capstone in the pyramid, which, I believe, is what your post attributes. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Michael Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark, In some respects I have a very postitive attitude about all this. People keep asking, how could these Israeli's have all this power here? Why such international control of illicit drugs at the top? I am trying to point out that it stems from secret agreements concerning non-use of nuclear weapons brokered in the early fifties by my father's boss, Henry Luce. Luce went first to Stalin who said in effect, I love it, I love it, but I can't go for it. I am in charge here, you can trust me. But we are never sure, president to president who is really in charge over there. Luce saw the reasoning and created a phoney censorship flap using the more upscale Fortune Magazine where, (again with fuss), the phrase from the White House had to change from, The President decided... to It was decided... That satisfied Uncle Joe. When Luce brought the Chinese into the deal (even though they did not demonstrate the bomb for some years after, it was in Terhan. As he flew back to Manhattan the Chinese troops crossed the Yalu and entered Korea, knowing they would not be nuked. Because the deal was, and is, secret checking mechanisms had to be set up. Isreal was forming, or had just formed, at the time already havinig massive connections through trade. They would be the intermediary for this deal. If you look in the back of Way Of Deception you see maps of the Mossad desks. Let us scale them on 1 to 10. Europe, Africa, etc the desk sizes would be about a five. A ten for the small Belelux countries. None, no desks !, for either the former Soviet Union or the US. Why? The Mossad was really a creation of a higher combined aspect of the CIA and KGB. All the nuke issues were under control. Cheatinig was punished, things such as the Liberty attack. The nuke landscape has just changed. There is a great opening, a necessity, for this to be exposed. See link, letter to Admiral Keating at http://www.midcoast.com/~michael1/webnukeletter.htm Also deep background at http://www.midcoast.com/~michael1/aspyintime.htm Michael Donovan, Camden, Maine - Original Message - From: mark urban To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 8:14 PM Subject: [cia-drugs] Re: Officials delve deeper into 'Able Danger' They could begin by calling the chief spook at the Israeli embassy; then they could ask Dan Hopsicker for a copy of his mohammed atta book. Then they could contact sander hicks and see what he has to say. this is just silly stuff for the consumption of the uninformed masses. none of this will stick. If they were serious about finding anything out, do you honestly believe Zelikow and Benveniste would be involved in the 911 commission? --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.timesherald.com/site/printerFriendly.cfm? brd=1672dept_id=33380newsid=15195991 09/12/2005 Officials delve deeper into 'Able Danger' By: KEITH PHUCAS , Times Herald Staff NORRISTOWN - After nearly a month of searching for evidence of the data-mining operation, Able Danger, the Pentagon has discovered three individuals who recall the defunct military intelligence program. This brings the total to five individuals who recall either seeing Sept. 11 hijacker Mohamed Atta's picture or hearing his name mentioned during the 15-month-long Special Operations Command project. However, the Defense Department still hasn't unearthed any documents related to the Able Danger operation, officials said at a Sept. 1 Pentagon briefing, and suggested that the data was purged from computer systems because it included information on U.S. persons. Officials also have not found a chart that four Able Danger co-workers said showed Atta's picture and his links to other terrorists prior to the Sept. 11 attacks. The Pentagon officials said they had interviewed nearly 80 people in an effort to find out about the enigmatic program that claims to have linked Atta to al-Qaeda and a terrorist cell in New York City
[cia-drugs] Re: Terrorists' 'poster boy' exposed as media fraud
How about the phoney video of the Palestinians celebrating the 911 attacks. Is this guy going to pick up on that in a follow up publication? WHen this incident first was captured on film, the story I heard was that the father and kid were actually hit by Palestinian fire, not Israeli. what does the author have to say about Baruch Goldstein machine gunning all of those Palestinians while they were at prayer, or Rachel Corrie being run over and crushed by an IDF bulldozer. God Bless Big Brother! --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp? ARTICLE_ID=46286 Tuesday, September 13, 2005 --- --- --- --- Terrorists' 'poster boy' exposed as media fraud 5 years late, Los Angeles Times reveals Palestinian hoax inspired 'bestial crimes' --- --- Posted: September 13, 2005 1:00 a.m. Eastern --- --- © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com The No. 1 inspiration for Palestinian suicide bombers - namely, the heart-wrenching videotaped shooting by Israeli soldiers of a 12-year-old Palestinian boy - was a fraud, according to a Los Angeles Times column, which reports that countless horrific terror attacks on Israelis can rightfully be blamed on repeated international broadcasts of the fabricated news report. Yet, while the fraud may be news to the Los Angeles Times, it isn't for readers of WND, whose managing editor, David Kupelian, has been documenting the astonishing truth of the story for five years - in fact, since shortly after the shooting occurred in September 2000, as well as dramatic updates since then. Now, in his widely acclaimed new book, The Marketing of Evil, Kupelian blows the lid completely off not only the disastrously fraudulent media reporting of the Palestinian boy's famous martyrdom, but of how the mainstream media routinely portray good as evil, and evil as good. 'Bestial crimes' In his Los Angeles Times column Friday, columnist David Gelernter wrote: More than 900 Israeli civilians have been killed in the intifada, the Palestinian uprising that began five years ago. They were ordinary people chatting on a bus, eating ice cream in a restaurant; suddenly, a bright flash. The next moment the walls are spattered with blood and the bomb's hellish odor fills the air. Some people are blinded, others are cut to pieces. Parents living the worst seconds of their lives cast about wildly for their children in the screaming, smoky chaos. What explains such bestial crimes? The reported death of a Palestinian child, Mohammed Dura, in Gaza did as much as anything else to ignite the current uprising. In the short video segment produced on Sept. 30, 2000, and distributed immediately, a state- owned French television station called France 2 accused the Israeli army of deliberately shooting and killing the 12-year-old. But, writes Gelernter, a comprehensive new report by French writer Nidra Poller leaves little doubt that the video is a fraud. He spends the rest of his column citing some of the damning evidence of the hoax. In Chapter 8 of The Marketing of Evil - The Media Matrix, on how the media create their own alternate reality and suck Americans into it - Kupelian reveals the breathtakingly deceptive state of American news coverage, focusing at one point directly on the Mohammed al-Dura story: Remember the martyrdom of 12-year-old Mohammed al-Dura? It's a classic example of the media matrix. The world was horrified as news broadcasts played the sensational video footage over and over again of the Palestinian boy being shot on September 30, 2000, apparently by Israeli forces, and then dying pitifully in his father's arms. Heart-wrenching photos of the father and son in death's grip became immortalized in posters that were plastered up and down the streets of the West Bank and Gaza, inspiring many a youthful suicide bomber to join Mohammed in martyr's paradise. He became the poster boy and rallying cry of the bloody intifada that claimed hundreds of lives. Although the Israeli military initially assumed responsibility for the incident, it soon became apparent that the Israelis could not have shot the boy, due to a large barrier between the Israeli military outpost across the remote junction in Gaza and the position of the boy and his father. In 2003 an independent journalistic investigation concluded that the al-Dura affair was actually a piece of Palestinian
[cia-drugs] Re: Terrorists' 'poster boy' exposed as media fraud
Bob, let me tell you something. I went to sander hicks' book kick off at his cafe called VoxPop in Brooklyn. I think Sander has a lot of talent and a good instincts; however, in New York, if you want to survive in almost any undertaking, you must make doubly sure you offend no jews. Sander went out of his way to indicate that the Israelis were trying to warn the US about 911. In the real world, the fucking chips fall where they may. I'm sorry, but pussy footing with good intentions is just patent bullshit. As far as the arab israeli thing is concerned, I know there is no solution to the damned thing, and you cannot criticise the policies of the Israeli government unless you're willing to be called a rabid, jew hating, nazi son of a bitch. That is just the way it works; it is axiomatic and immutable. However, I am a caring, thinking human with a heart and mind. I cannot accept that Palestinians are subhuman. I cannot see any light at the end of the tunnel. There is only a game of disparagement and propaganda. I just stare in mute nostril agony, shaking my head in disgust while some slimy mother fuckers keep pushing their agendas. As far as Jim and his nonsense news stories are concerned, I am laughing my ass off. It is like reading archie comics and mad magazine for insights into the US stock market. hehe! --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mark urban wrote: How about the phoney video of the Palestinians celebrating the 911 attacks. Is this guy going to pick up on that in a follow up publication? WHen this incident first was captured on film, the story I heard was that the father and kid were actually hit by Palestinian fire, not Israeli. what does the author have to say about Baruch Goldstein machine gunning all of those Palestinians while they were at prayer, or Rachel Corrie being run over and crushed by an IDF bulldozer. God Bless Big Brother! Mark, would you classify this as the most blatant specimen of formulaic propaganda Jim has drug in yet? There is no attempt at showing the other side such as Israelis pulling down the statue of Saddam Hussein in Baghdad for American TV, or in citing number to compare with number. Mark, were you impressed by the number of Israelis killed by Palestinians in terrorist incidents? I was neither impressed by the number 900 nor was I impressed by the absence of the corresponding number of Palestinians killed by Israeli bombing and other mass killing methods deployed against Palestinian civilians. Compare numbers of Israeli soldiers hit by rocks to number of Palestinians whose homes were bulldozed and building permits always denied. The Israelis killed 15 Palestinians including children in a single indiscriminate bombing of a residential neighborhood and razing 59 homes again in indiscriminate reprisal(=TERRORISM). http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp? edition_id=10categ_id=2article_id=18494# Thursday, September 15, 2005 Agence France Presse Israel brass in flap over foreign war crimes prosecutions A London magistrate has issued a warrant for the arrest of one of Israel's former commanders of the Gaza Strip over his role in a 2002 bombing raid that killed 15 Palestinians, many of them children. On Sunday, Doron Almog, refused to leave a plane at a London airport after being told in mid-flight that he could face arrest by British police. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3141430,00.html Eight further cases aimed at other Israeli officers have already been presented to police in England, said the group. These are the first planks and the train is long. The High Court, which has so far evaded holding a session on IDF war crimes, should see itself responsible for the fact that the search for justice is conducted in England today, and no in the halls of justice in Israel, a Yesh Gvul representative told Ynet. http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1568001,00.html Israeli evades arrest at Heathrow over army war crime allegations · Retired general tipped off after judge issues warrant · Ex-commander accused of demolishing Gaza homes Vikram Dodd and Conal Urquhart in Tel Aviv Monday September 12, 2005 The Guardian Scotland Yard was thwarted yesterday in its attempt to seize a former senior Israeli army officer at Heathrow airport for alleged war crimes in occupied Palestinian lands after a British judge had issued a warrant for his arrest. British detectives were waiting for retired Major General Doron Almog who was aboard an El Al flight which arrived from Israel yesterday. It is believed he was tipped off about his impending arrest while in the air and stayed on the plane to avoid capture until it flew back to Israel. Scotland Yard detectives were armed with a warrant naming Mr Almog as a war crimes suspect for offences that breached the Geneva conventions. The Guardian
[cia-drugs] Re: F.A.A. Alerted on Qaeda in '98, 9/11 Panel Said
A little background on Bojinka is in order. This is a WAashington Post Article on Bojinka by none other than Zbig's nephewL Bust and Boom Six years before the September 11 attacks, Philippine police took down an al Qaeda cell that had been plotting, among other things, to fly explosives-laden planes into the Pentagon In 1995, Aida Fariscal, a senior inspector for the Philippine police, took down an al Qaeda cell that had been plotting to fly explosives-laden planes into the Pentagon -- and possibly some skyscrapers. (Photo Illustration by Amy Guip) By Matthew Brzezinski Sunday, December 30, 2001; Page W09 It was already evening, here on the other side of the international date line, when the first plane struck the North Tower of the World Trade Center. Aida Fariscal had gone to bed early on September 11, only to be awakened by a frantic colleague. Quick, he instructed, turn on your television. The footage of the hijacked airliner bursting into flame made Fariscal bolt upright. Oh my God, she gasped. Bojinka. For the retired Philippine policewoman, that word and the nightmare scenario it evoked had receded into distant memory these past six years. Sometimes weeks went by without her even thinking about the terrorist plot she had foiled so long ago. But there it was, after all this time, unfolding live on her small-screen television. I thought, at first, she tells me, that I was having a bad dream, or that I was watching a movie. But as the burning towers came crashing down under their own weight, disbelief turned to anger. I still don't understand, she says over a club sandwich, how it could have been allowed to happen. We are having lunch at a chicken rotisserie in a busy Manila shopping center, not far from the Dona Josefa Apartments, where it all started, where she -- and the CIA and the FBI -- first heard the words Operation Bojinka. Fariscal has insisted on a corner table, so she can keep an eye on the other patrons and the shoppers beyond the restaurant's greasy glass partition. Old habits, she explains, die hard, and, after a life of fighting crime, she always takes security precautions, especially now that she is off the force, a widowed grandmother living off a police pension in a small one- bedroom apartment. Her brother, in fact, is supposed to swing by the rotisserie -- just to make sure I am who I say I am. As we speak, she seems bitter, and surprisingly fragile in her hoop earrings and bright pink lipstick. She is bitter that the generals in the Philippine high command hogged all the credit for Bojinka, while all she received was $700 and a free trip to Taiwan. She is bitter that the Americans apparently didn't take the foiled plot seriously enough. But most of all, she is angry that, in the end, her hunch didn't save thousands of lives after all. I can't get those images, she says of the World Trade Center wreckage, out of my mind. The call came in shortly after 11 on a Friday night back in January 1995: a routine fire alarm, some smoke spotted on the top floor of a six-story building just down the street from Manila Police Station No. 9. Fariscal, the watch commander, peered out of the precinct house window, but couldn't see any sign of a blaze on Quirino Avenue. Still, she dispatched Patrolman Ariel Fernandez to check it out. Nothing to worry about, he reported when he returned a few minutes later. Just some Pakistanis playing with firecrackers. Fariscal wasn't so sure. She hadn't earned her senior inspector stripes by sitting down on the job, and had risen in the male- dominated ranks of the Manila police force by trusting her female intuition. And her instinct that night told her something was wrong. The pope was coming to the Philippines, we were worried about security, and on top of that we had just had a big typhoon, she recalls. The senior inspector decided to walk the 500 yards to the Dona Josefa Apartments to see for herself. She barely had time to change out of her civilian clothes, a flower-patterned dress and sandals, and she didn't think she needed her gun. But just in case, she ordered Patrolman Fernandez and another officer to tag along as backup while she picked her way past the uprooted trunks of palm trees. The Dona Josefa apartment building was a well-kept but not luxurious residence, with an open lobby and an airy feel. It was often used for short-term rentals by Middle Eastern tourists, who came to Manila's neon-lit Malate nightclub district to get away from the strict mores back home. It was also a block away from the papal nunciature, where John Paul II would be staying. What's happening here, boss? Fariscal asked the Dona Josefa doorman in Tagalog, a native tongue of the Philippines. Two men, he said, had fled their sixth-floor apartment, pulling on their pants as they ran in the smoky corridor. They told me everything was under control, just some fireworks that
[cia-drugs] Re: Mice infected with deadly plague are missing in N.J.
I do not want to upset your world view; however, proper pest control should obviate the need to treat this as anything more than a very very minor thing. Unless you and your family have a lot of dealings with flea infested animals, I think you can leave the house without worrying too much about this. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, FONEBONE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YES The fleas BITE the PLAGUE INFECTED RATS --- They then jump to other nearby warm blooded creatures to feast upon and thereby spreading the PLAGUE epidemic through flea- bites FEMA DOES HAVE SECRET EMERGENCY PLAN for COMBATING a PLAGUE EPIDEMIC using BIOLOGICAL WARFARE --- HALATOSIS subsidiary KILLUM BROWNE ROTTONROOT was just awarded a NO-BID $ 2.2 BILLION cost plus contract to implement this comprehensive three pronged attack -dubbed OPERATION NUTNHUNNY is based on lessons learned from historical precedent in past agues -Fonebone -Original Message- From: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cia- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of mark urban Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 3:16 PM To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Subject: [cia-drugs] Re: Mice infected with deadly plague are missing in N.J. If you read any history at all you would know that bubonic plague is spread by fleas. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OOPS. If the mice were caught by their traditional enemy, do we now have some infected cats? JR http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_news/v- pfriendly/story/346674p-295865c.html New York Daily News - Mice infected with deadly plague are missing in N.J. ASSOCIATED PRESS Thursday, September 15th, 2005 NEWARK, N.J. - Authorities are searching for three mice infected with bubonic plague that disappeared from a research laboratory about two weeks ago. While health experts say the risk to the public is slim to none, the incident highlights ongoing security failures at the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey. The mice went missing from the lab of the Public Health Research Institute, which is located on the UMDNJ campus and conducts bioterrorism research for the federal government. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the FBI are investigating, The Star-Ledger of Newark reported in Thursday's newspapers. The rodents may have been eaten by other laboratory animals, although the possibility that they have been stolen has prompted the institute to interrogate two dozen of its employees and conduct some lie detector tests, the newspaper said. UMDNJ did not immediately return a call seeking comment Thursday morning. If the mice got outside the lab, New Jersey Health Commissioner Fred Jacobs said they would have already died from the disease. Federal official said the mice may never be accounted for. Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM --- - -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group cia-drugs on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --- - -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpgUKB/pzNLAA/cUmLAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: Mice infected with deadly plague are missing in N.J.
Jim, I will only write this once so try not to overlook it. if the pests are controlled, the plague will also be controlled. how did we ever manage to survive as a species by your logic. bubonic plague is always out there somewhere albeit in very limited amounts. it is a question of control and a few lab mice are not the equivalent of a plot twist in the andromeda strain. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cats have fleas/ The disease does not spread from flea to flea. It spreads from flea to host and flea to another host. JR - Original Message - From: mark urban [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 3:15 PM Subject: [cia-drugs] Re: Mice infected with deadly plague are missing in N.J. If you read any history at all you would know that bubonic plague is spread by fleas. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OOPS. If the mice were caught by their traditional enemy, do we now have some infected cats? JR http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_news/v- pfriendly/story/346674p-295865c.html New York Daily News - Mice infected with deadly plague are missing in N.J. ASSOCIATED PRESS Thursday, September 15th, 2005 NEWARK, N.J. - Authorities are searching for three mice infected with bubonic plague that disappeared from a research laboratory about two weeks ago. While health experts say the risk to the public is slim to none, the incident highlights ongoing security failures at the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey. The mice went missing from the lab of the Public Health Research Institute, which is located on the UMDNJ campus and conducts bioterrorism research for the federal government. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the FBI are investigating, The Star-Ledger of Newark reported in Thursday's newspapers. The rodents may have been eaten by other laboratory animals, although the possibility that they have been stolen has prompted the institute to interrogate two dozen of its employees and conduct some lie detector tests, the newspaper said. UMDNJ did not immediately return a call seeking comment Thursday morning. If the mice got outside the lab, New Jersey Health Commissioner Fred Jacobs said they would have already died from the disease. Federal official said the mice may never be accounted for. Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpgUKB/pzNLAA/cUmLAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: Mice infected with deadly plague are missing in N.J.
The point is that the story is fear mongering bull shit along with most of the alarmist reaction to it. I think using a cell phone while driving is a much greater threat to life, but,then again, I am just a smear artist. Oh how I wish there were a meaty story like the beltway sniper for Jim to sink his teeth into. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, norgesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark, So, your point being what? That since we have nothing to fear except for that coming from those conspiracy-mongers who hold this dreaded world-view that you mention, there is no need to post any articles referring to diseases, specifically bubonic plague, and Jim should be held to task for having the temerity to post this* in the first place? You said: If you read any history at all you would know that bubonic plague is spread by fleas. Jim's response was correct: Cats have fleas/ The disease does not spread from flea to flea. It spreads from flea to host and flea to another host. You said: I do not want to upset your world view; however, proper pest control should obviate the need to treat this as anything more than a very very minor thing. Jim's response: Sure. Let Homeland Security tke care of it. They're so efficient. Again, trumped you. Your condescending, arrogant attitude towards Jim ( others) is kinda lame. If you read any history at all...? I do not want to upset your world view? I will only write this once so try not to overlook it? Sounds exactly like something McFraud would type. Hope this doesn't put me on your shit list. n. === --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, mark urban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim, I will only write this once so try not to overlook it. if the pests are controlled, the plague will also be controlled. how did we ever manage to survive as a species by your logic. bubonic plague is always out there somewhere albeit in very limited amounts. it is a question of control and a few lab mice are not the equivalent of a plot twist in the andromeda strain. = * Mice infected with deadly plague are missing in N.J. ASSOCIATED PRESS Thursday, September 15th, 2005 NEWARK, N.J. - Authorities are searching for three mice infected with bubonic plague that disappeared from a research laboratory about two weeks ago. While health experts say the risk to the public is slim to none, the incident highlights ongoing security failures at the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey. The mice went missing from the lab of the Public Health Research Institute, which is located on the UMDNJ campus and conducts bioterrorism research for the federal government. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the FBI are investigating, The Star-Ledger of Newark reported in Thursday's newspapers. The rodents may have been eaten by other laboratory animals, although the possibility that they have been stolen has prompted the institute to interrogate two dozen of its employees and conduct some lie detector tests, the newspaper said. UMDNJ did not immediately return a call seeking comment Thursday morning. If the mice got outside the lab, New Jersey Health Commissioner Fred Jacobs said they would have already died from the disease. Federal official said the mice may never be accounted for. http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_news/v- pfriendly/story/346674p-295865c.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpgUKB/pzNLAA/cUmLAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: In 4-Year Anthrax Hunt, F.B.I. Finds Itself Stymied, and Sued
I guess we kind of know how OJ feels when he asked about the his pursuit of Nicole's killers!!! --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- - September 17, 2005 In 4-Year Anthrax Hunt, F.B.I. Finds Itself Stymied, and Sued By SCOTT SHANE WASHINGTON, Sept. 15 - Richard L. Lambert, the F.B.I. inspector in charge of the investigation of the deadly anthrax letters of 2001, testified under oath for five hours last month about the case. But Mr. Lambert was not testifying in a criminal trial. He and his teams of F.B.I. agents and postal inspectors have not found the culprit. Instead, he and six other F.B.I. and Justice Department officials have been forced to give depositions in a suit over news media leaks filed by Dr. Steven J. Hatfill, the former Army biodefense expert who was under intensive scrutiny for months. Four years after an unknown bioterrorist dropped letters containing a couple of teaspoons of powder in a mailbox in Princeton, N.J., what began as the largest criminal investigation in American history appears to be stalled, say scientists and former law enforcement officials who have spoken with investigators. The failure to solve the case that the authorities call Amerithrax is a grave disappointment for the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Postal Inspection Service, the investigative arm of the Postal Service. The letters were the first major bioterrorist attack in American history and killed five people, sickened 17 others, temporarily crippled mail service and forced the evacuation of federal buildings, including Senate offices and the Supreme Court. They've done everything they can possibly think of doing, and they're just not there yet, said Randall S. Murch of Virginia Tech, a former scientist at the bureau who led the use of laboratory tests to trace the origin of microbes used in crimes. You have to understand that the pressure is enormous. A former law enforcement official who keeps up with several investigators said, From the people I've talked to, it's going nowhere. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of sensitivity over leaks in the case, said some agents still formally assigned to the investigation were mostly working on other cases, because there's nothing for them to do. For the director of the bureau, Robert S. Mueller III, who started work in September 2001 just before the Sept. 11 attacks and the anthrax letters, the case is a priority. He is briefed on the investigation every Friday that he is in Washington, Debra Weierman, a spokeswoman for the bureau, said. Ms. Weierman said 21 agents from the bureau and nine postal inspectors were assigned to the inquiry, a far cry from the hundreds of the early months, but still a major commitment. She said that investigators had conducted more than 8,000 interviews and served 5,000 subpoenas and that the case remained intensely active. The fact that Dr. Hatfill, who has not been charged or cleared, has turned the tables on the agents who he says have ruined his life can only make this fourth anniversary more frustrating for the authorities. The two sets of anthrax-laced letters, addressed to news media organizations and Senators Tom Daschle of South Dakota and Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont, both Democrats, were postmarked Sept. 18 and Oct. 9, 2001. Dr. Hatfill, 51, grew up in Illinois and trained as a physician in Zimbabwe before conducting medical research in South Africa. After returning to the United States, he worked from 1997 to 1999 at the Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick in Frederick, Md. He was the focus of public attention from anthrax investigators in 2002 and 2003, when his apartment near the fort and places he had lived or visited were searched. For months, he was under 24-hour surveillance; one worker from the Federal Bureau of Investigation ran over his foot when the scientist tried to photograph him. Two years ago, Dr. Hatfill sued the bureau and the Justice Department, saying leaks to the news media about him and the public description of him by Attorney General John Ashcroft as a person of interest in the case had destroyed his reputation. He also has a suit pending against The New York Times and a columnist for the paper, Nicholas D. Kristof, saying Mr. Kristof defamed him. This summer, Judge Reggie B. Walton, of Federal District Court in Washington, let Dr. Hatfill's lawyers begin questioning people about the reported leaks. According to a lawyer for Dr. Hatfill, Thomas G. Connolly, among the six people who have been deposed so far are Mr. Lambert, the top investigator; Brad Garrett, another longtime agent; and Ms. Weierman, the spokeswoman. Mr. Connolly said Van Harp, the former assistant director in charge of the
[cia-drugs] Re: Mice infected with deadly plague are missing in N.J.
When was the last time bubonic plague was a problem in the US? NO ANSWER Just as I thought. You are an empty drum with a lone pebble banging around inside. The bubonic plague is always out there, it is just a matter of controlling pest populations. Fear mongering is just a matter of making you afraid of everything. I promise you that more people will be killed on the NJ turnpike in one year than will be claimed by bubonic plague in 100 years. I'll bet you have a radon detection kit. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, FONEBONE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UPSET MY WORLD VIEW EH ? H ---I'm a fone tech Mark and for the last 35 years I've visited about every basement in the Greater Newark New Jersey area, jersey city. paterson just to name a few - I well know the feeling generated upon shining a flash light out into the darkness of a tenement sub-basement and see nothing but hundreds of bright red glowing eyes staring back at you - As you walk towards the darkness the red beady eyes can be seen 360 degrees. Port Newark has RATS the size of RACCOONS and SHOW ABSOLUTELY NO FEAR of MAN unless approached directly In the PROJECTS RATS infest the halls and walls of entire buildings and can readily be seen scampering day and night across the court-yards and playgrounds Telephone men working in the New York City report RATS brazenly but routinely run across their work areas PUBLIC SCHOOLS have RATS - RESTAURANTS have RATS HOSPITAL BASEMENTS HAVE RATS I live in the COUNTRY Mark -In the WOODS near a LAKE I LIVE WITH 4 CATS and every autumn my house welcomes multiple field mice that magically reappear half digested in hairballs all winter long - Thirty five years ago in Viet-Nam my unit manned a tiny outpost in the jungle up in the central highlands on the LAOTIAN border The daily and nightly mortar / rocket attacks of the NVA forced us to move into underground bunkers 24/7 for 93 days - These bunkers soon became infested with hundreds of aggressive RATS added additional terror to the exploding ordinance and whizzing bullets The Rats DID play a POSITIVE FUNCTION though -- A soldier posted nightly at the bunker entrance to guard against the occasional sapper that would manage to penetrate our perimeter with satchel charges The guys asleep inside the bunker slept better knowing the guard was afraid to fall asleep because as soon as he would the rats would scramble past and over him to startle NO Mark I don't think you can upset my world view --at least as it pertains to RATS and where you have RATS you have FLEAS In a large city like NEWARK this could be DEADLY ONLY the GREAT FIRE in London in 1666 halted the plague- Fonebone -Original Message- From: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cia- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of mark urban Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 10:20 PM To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Subject: [cia-drugs] Re: Mice infected with deadly plague are missing in N.J. I do not want to upset your world view; however, proper pest control should obviate the need to treat this as anything more than a very very minor thing. Unless you and your family have a lot of dealings with flea infested animals, I think you can leave the house without worrying too much about this. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, FONEBONE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YES The fleas BITE the PLAGUE INFECTED RATS --- They then jump to other nearby warm blooded creatures to feast upon and thereby spreading the PLAGUE epidemic through flea- bites FEMA DOES HAVE SECRET EMERGENCY PLAN for COMBATING a PLAGUE EPIDEMIC using BIOLOGICAL WARFARE --- HALATOSIS subsidiary KILLUM BROWNE ROTTONROOT was just awarded a NO-BID $ 2.2 BILLION cost plus contract to implement this comprehensive three pronged attack -dubbed OPERATION NUTNHUNNY is based on lessons learned from historical precedent in past agues -Fonebone -Original Message- From: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cia- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of mark urban Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 3:16 PM To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Subject: [cia-drugs] Re: Mice infected with deadly plague are missing in N.J. If you read any history at all you would know that bubonic plague is spread by fleas. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OOPS. If the mice were caught by their traditional enemy, do we now have some infected cats? JR http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_news/v- pfriendly/story/346674p-295865c.html New York Daily News - Mice infected with deadly plague are missing in N.J. ASSOCIATED PRESS Thursday, September 15th, 2005
[cia-drugs] Re: UK TROOPS ON HIGH ALERT
Gunga Din redux. Tanks instead of an elephant, Iraq instead of colonial India, Iraqi's instead of Thugees. Memorable yet politically incorrect line by Cary Grant's character - All you wogs are under arrest The more things change, the more they stay the same. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-13442083,00.html UK TROOPS ON HIGH ALERT British troops in Iraq are on high alert as the crisis over the rescue of two British soldiers threatens to escalate further. Forces used around 10 tanks to break down the walls of Basra jail to free two service personnel arrested for allegedly firing on Iraqi policemen. Witnesses said about 150 Iraqi prisoners fled the jail as well. The incident led to a wave of violence with crowds of protesters surrounding two British armoured vehicles and setting them alight. The Ministry of Defence insists the men's release was negotiated. The city's mayor has described the incident as a barbaric act of aggression. Earlier an MoD spokesman said: We can confirm that two military personnel were detained by Iraqi authorities. Photographs showed the unshaven pair in custody, dressed casually in T-shirts and trousers, and sitting on the floor with their hands behind their backs. One of the men had his head swathed in bandages and appeared to have bloodstains on his top. The other, who apparently had blood smeared on his trousers, had plasters on his head. Nadhim al-Jabari, the Basra provincial council's spokesman, said the two men were likely to go before an Iraqi court. It was unclear if they had yet been charged. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpgUKB/pzNLAA/cUmLAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: The Fortune in Men's Eyes
Thwe food and the moustache photo was proof enough for me. Maybe Jeff Gannon will add the justice department to his list of satisfied customers. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, norgesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Fortune in Men's Eyes Hey hey, babe, I got blood in my eyes for you. Apologies for arriving a bit late to the Is John Roberts Gay? party. I have to say the mood seems inappropriately ebullient, as usual at such occasions, when really people ought to be asking What the Hell are we doing here again? So Bush's surprise nominee for Chief Justice played Peppermint Patty in a High School production of You're A Good Man, Charlie Brown. So he married for the first time at age 41 and is a father to adopted children. So he's posed with food, and a moustache: Even if it's all true, so what? Isn't Roberts entitled to his self- hating closet every bit as much as J Edgar Hoover and Roy Cohn were to theirs? Here's the so what: it's the pattern recognition. It's the mercurial advancement of a far-right cadre of closeted men. It's Craig Spence, Jeff Gannon, Victor Ashe and the Texas Velvet Mafia. It's the games of Bonesmen. It's the stories of George HW Bush. It's Kay Griggs' persuasive accounts of rampant homosexual blackmail, rape, and systemic paedophilia in the highest ranks of the US military and government. It's the Eye of Horus. As I've written, it's the fascist imagination that links ancient mystery religions and secret societies to today's imperial death cult which binds itself in blood and semen. A public figure's private sexuality is a tough subject to broach, as it should be. But the Roberts rumours are suggestive of a still largely unacknowledged trend that needs an accounting, and should not be played for the cheap laughs which invite the disgrace of homophobia. Because these stories are not about sex, but about the secret ley lines of power in Washington and the loyalties and obligations they create. And gay, straight or whatever, that's everybody's business. http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/09/fortune-in-mens- eyes.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpgUKB/pzNLAA/cUmLAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: Avian flu, bioterror and Washington
Jim, The washington times is a pathetic moonie rag. frist is going down as is delay. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20050928- 084414-7121r This may just be hype to justify more money for the pharmaceutical companies through Bioshield. JR The Washington Times www.washingtontimes.com Avian flu, bioterror and Washington Published September 29, 2005 The threat of the avian flu virus is real, as Senate Majority Leader Bill First explains in this section, and could potentially claim millions of American lives. No vaccine for the avian flu exists. The country needs biotechs, academia and government to cooperate to create the vaccines and other compounds needed to fight it. In that regard, the avian flu is just one of many potential biological problems -- whether natural or man-made -- that we must grapple with. To deal with the avian flu and the others -- anthrax, smallpox and radiological threats, to name three -- the United States must update the 2004 Bioshield law. That law was a good start, but not nearly enough. The record on implementing Bioshield was not encouraging. For instance, it took three years and eight months after the October 2001 anthrax attacks before the Department of Health and Human Services finally stockpiled the first doses of anthrax vaccine. Beyond the obvious no-defenses problem, this was regrettable because it disheartened some biotechs and pharmaceutical firms considering supplying the government with new drugs to combat new biological threats. Foot-dragging in Congress alternated with the same in the administration on anthrax, while an intense lobbying war simmered between BioPort, the Michigan-based maker of BioThrax, and California-based VaxGen, maker of a vaccine currently in trials. Both companies were left in the lurch, without much assurance that government would buy their products with a minimum of red tape. Now the same things appears to be happening on radiological threats. As The Washington Post reported yesterday, Hollis-Eden Pharmaceuticals, maker of a radiological countermeasure, is complaining about foot-dragging on Neumune, which, if successful, would greatly lessen radiation sickness -- the primary threat in the event of a dirty bomb. In July, Hollis-Eden CEO Richard Hollis criticized federal efforts for a lack of leadership, a lack of implementation and sense of urgency. Government sloth has basically killed the capital markets and ability to raise money to develop these drugs. On the avian flu, Mr. Frist lamented the lack of an effective vaccine and a robust antiviral stockpile in a Tuesday letter to Secretary of Health and Human Services Mike Leavitt, noting that each problem is complicated by a weakened domestic manufacturing capacity. The common theme here is that government is not doing enough to create favorable conditions for companies building the compounds we need. Clearly, these are all public goods which the national interest requires we produce. It's time for Congress to create a stronger Bioshield program that creates the market needed to bring them into existence. Copyright © 2005 News World Communications, Inc. All rights reserved. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpgUKB/pzNLAA/cUmLAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Clearing the baffles by Wayne Madsen
Maybe it is just me, but this is just chock full of very important info. http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/Baffles.htm Clearing the Baffles for 911 By Wayne Madsen Top officials of the George W. Bush and, to a lesser extent, the Clinton administration, stymied a number of coordinated intelligence and law enforcement activities that could have prevented both the 911 attacks and the attack, eleven months before, on the USS Cole. These subscribers and ardent supporters of the Project for a New American Century's (PNAC) blueprint for U.S. global domination interfered with covert projects by the CIA, FBI, Defense Intelligence Agency, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Treasury Department, and National Security Agency (NSA) that could have exposed an international organized criminal cartel that included the 911 hijackers, arms and drug traffickers, and Mafia financiers. According to a number of former CIA, FBI, and DIA officers, the one glaring missing link in the 911 attacks and the USS Cole bombing is the lack of provable involvement by organized Islamist fundamentalists, including the generic bogeyman consistently cited by the PNAC supporters: Al Qaeda. The element that is common to both the Bush II and Clinton administrations is a group of neo-conservatives who signed on to the PNAC dream of some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor to advance their agenda in the same way the German Nazis torched the Reichstag building to advance their agenda. Then the bogeyman of convenience was the Communist Party, today, it is Al Qaeda. However, much like a submarine clearing the baffles by turning 120 degrees to port and starboard to detect trailing enemy subs, the instigators of 911 cleared their own baffles by firing, suspending, and blocking U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agents who were aggressively pursuing the many leads that could have prevented the advancement of the PNAC and the overall neo-conservative agenda. Without 911, there would have been no Patriot Act, no Iraq War, no trashing of the United Nations, no upending of the U.S. intelligence community, no Department of Homeland Security, and no second administration for George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. Moreover, there would be no current role in government or policy making for those who benefited most from 911, those who were charter members of PNAC: Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, I. Lewis Scooter Libby, Zalmay Khalilzad, Richard Perle, newly-emergent racist leader William Bennett, and Cheney himself. *** The one individual who stands tall among those intelligence and law enforcement officers who was aggressively pursuing the criminal network that would carry out 911 was FBI counter-terrorism top man John O'Neill. Ever since the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993, O'Neill's pursuit of Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda had been dogged. After further terrorist attacks at the Khobar Towers barracks in Dharan, Saudi Arabia; the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania; and the USS Cole in Aden harbor, O'Neill's biggest problem was not Al Qaeda, it was resistance from top officials inside the U.S. government. According to classified documents from French intelligence, Al Qaeda and Bin Laden had still been under the operational control of U.S. and British security services until 1995, fully two years after the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. As of 1996, the U.S. State Department continued to refuse to list Al Qaeda as a terrorist organization. After the 1996 bombings of the Khobar Towers that killed nineteen U.S. military personnel, the State Department under Secretary of State Warren Christopher, FBI Director Louis Freeh, and the Saudi government did everything they could to obstruct O'Neill's investigation. In his aggressive pursuit of Al Qaeda, O'Neill, according to people who worked closely with him, began to have serious concerns over complicity by those inside the Clinton and Bush administrations. There was the mysterious theft in the summer of 2000 of his briefcase at a Tampa hotel during a retirement seminar where the only other participants were 150 other FBI agents. In the briefcase were a few classified emails and a classified document called the Annual Field Office Report, a summary of the New York FBI's office counter-terrorist and counter-intelligence operations, including one very sensitive investigation being conducted by another New York counter-intelligence FBI special agent, Michael Dick. Although a lighter, cigar cutter, and expensive pen were stolen, the papers were all accounted for when the briefcase turned up 90 minutes later at another nearby hotel. Ninety minutes, of course, was sufficient time to photocopy the documents and discover what O'Neill knew about both Al Qaeda and their Israeli shadows. Special Agent Dick, who worked closely with O'Neill, had discovered a troubling ring of Israeli movers operating in the New
[cia-drugs] Re: israel/iran weapons transfers
Vig, You must learn to differentiate between the pragmatic considerations of a business-like approach to arms sales and the geopolitical considerations of pursuing Greater Israel. If I have nukes, I'll sell you all the conventional weapons your heart desires. I'll even throw in an idiot like Robert McFarlane with a birthday cake for the Ayatollah. Don't forget that the foundation for today's Neocon extravaganza was laid back in the Ronnie Rayguns era when the crazies like Perle and Wolfowitz insinuated themselves into the government bureaucracy. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: doesnt israel have secret weapons deals with iran and turkey? vigilius haufniensis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpgUKB/pzNLAA/cUmLAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: Fwd: HE WALKS! HE TALKS! HISTORY CHANNEL, OCT 10, 9 PM EASTERN
And don't forget that I will also be talking to George Noory on Coast-to-Coast AM on Thursday night I do not think it is wise for Lavenda to go around telling people such information, especially if he wants people to take him seriously! --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Begin forwarded message: From: RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: October 6, 2005 8:03:45 AM PDT To: ctrl CTRL [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: HE WALKS! HE TALKS! HISTORY CHANNEL, OCT 10, 9 PM EASTERN http://www.sinisterforces.info/ HE WALKS! HE TALKS! HISTORY CHANNEL, OCT 10, 9 PM EASTERN Well, he talks, anyway. For those of you who are curious as to who Peter Levenda is or what he looks like, now is your chance. On the History Channel series, Decoding the Past, the installment titled Nazi Prophecies includes an interview with me as well as with other notables in the field such as Prof. Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke whose The Occult Roots of Nazism is an important contribution to the field. This show will air at 9 pm Eastern on the History Channel on Monday, October 10, and will be rebroadcast a few hours later at 1 am Eastern on October 11. And don't forget that I will also be talking to George Noory on Coast-to-Coast AM on Thursday night, October 13, from 11 pm to 2 am Pacific time. There will be a phone-in for questions, so if you have anything to ask me about Unholy Alliance or Sinister Forces, this is an excellent opportunity. It's a media-heavy week next week for fans of Sinister Forces, Unholy Alliance, and the secret currents that run beneath the surface of our waking reality. See you then! Posted by Peter Levenda at 23:24 | Comments (0) | Trackbacks (0) tuesday, september 20. 2005 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpgUKB/pzNLAA/cUmLAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: COMPREHENSIVE BIODEFENSE LEGISLATION
While you're at it, Jim, maybe you can get him to add a few lines about mice with bubonic plague. I am still waiting for that pandemic to happen. Or is that so far off the screen that you've forgotten about it? --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://burr.senate.gov/index.cfm? FuseAction=PressReleases.DetailPressRelease_id=121Month=10Year=200 5 DIRECT INVESTMENT MEANS DIRECT CONTROL. jr United States Senator - Richard Burr October 17th, 2005 Contact: Doug Heye 202.224.3154 SENATOR RICHARD BURR INTRODUCES COMPREHENSIVE BIODEFENSE LEGISLATION Innovative legislation addresses potential threats such as avian influenza and bioterrorism, North Carolina poised to benefit WASHINGTON, D.C. - Senator Richard Burr, chairman of the Senate Subcommittee on Bioterrorism and Public Health Preparedness, today introduced S. 1873, the Biodefense and Pandemic Vaccine and Drug Development Act of 2005. The legislation would provide the Department of Health and Human Services with the additional authorities and resources necessary to partner with the private sector to rapidly develop drugs and vaccines to protect the United States from deliberate, accidental and natural incidents involving biological pathogens, such as avian influenza, as well as chemical and radiological agents. Specifically, the legislation would: . Establish the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Agency, or BARDA, as the single point of authority within the Federal Government for the advanced research and development of medical countermeasures, including drugs and vaccines, in response to bioterrorism and natural disease outbreaks. . Encourage potential researchers, manufacturers, and health care delivery partners to commit substantial resources to bring innovative new and better products to the market more quickly. . Provide incentives for the domestic manufacturing of medical countermeasures for pandemic and epidemic diseases. We need to improve our ability to prepare for, and respond to, bioterrorism attacks and natural outbreaks with a comprehensive approach, said Senator Richard Burr. I believe we need to make sure someone in the Federal Government is partnering with the private sector to quickly develop drugs and vaccines should we need them. By establishing a single agency responsible for developing medical countermeasures and providing sufficient incentives, we will develop more vaccines and drugs at a faster rate - reducing and containing potential threats such as avian flu and bioterrorism. Under the legislation, the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Agency would: . Report directly to the Secretary of Health and Human Services and serve as the principal advisor on medical countermeasure advanced research and development. . Work with academia and the private sector to accelerate and innovate medical countermeasure development. . Provide direct investment in advanced research and development to ensure that medical countermeasures are widely available in the marketplace. North Carolina is home to the third largest biotech industry in the United States, creating important biomedical breakthroughs not only in Research Triangle Park and Piedmont Triad Research Park, but also through companies in Greensboro, Morrisville, Sanford and elsewhere, Burr added. Our biotech industry, coupled with the important work performed at the Duke University Medical School, the University of North Carolina's School of Public Health and Wake Forest University's Bowman Gray School of Medicine, ensure North Carolina will play a major role in public health preparedness. Introduction of the legislation comes after nine months of hearings, roundtables and meetings led by Senator Burr on bioterrorism, biological weapons, infectious diseases and public health preparedness. Senator Burr has also led meetings with representatives of the European Union and the World Health Organization. The legislation is co-sponsored by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee Chairman Mike Enzi, Senate Budget Committee Chairman Judd Gregg and Senator Lamar Alexander. For more information, go to http://www.burr.senate.gov. ### Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpgUKB/pzNLAA/cUmLAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/
[cia-drugs] some interesting insights on the plame investigation
from a blogger on UTNE Here's a juicy e-mail I got from a Hill staffer. Blog Tools EMAIL PRINT 16 COMMENTS A Democratic Hill staffer we'll call Dobby sent me the goods on Fitzgerald. I just got this e-mail from a Democratic House member's staffer with tons of good dirt on the Plame investigation. I'm reprinting it whole cloth to share all, and show that while these Hill staffers are well-informed, they sure could use some capitalization classes. Among the things I hadn't seen before: -Fred Flights, an assistant to John Bolton, is a named name who could be indicted. -Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham have been suggested as replacements for Dick Cheney. -Colin Powell told John McCain he showed the infamous memo with Plame's identity on it two just two people; Dick Cheney and George Bush. -Fitzgerald is looking at the precedent set from the indictment of Tricky Dick's veep Spiro Agnew to pursue against Cheney. That's red meat folks. Text of the e-mail: below, some extremely sensitive information about the impending conclusion of the valerie plame investigations. the sources include two senior members of senate and key staffers; counsel for individuals that have been called before the grand jury; and two journalists taking a lead position in investigating the case. the following represents a composite of the information from those sources. plamegate coming to conclusion. the investigation has focused mostly closely on vice president cheney and his staff, as well as us ambassador to the un (and former undersecretary of state for arms control) john bolton and his staff. we are told that eight indictments have already prepared, with the possibility of another ten. these indictments include senior white house staff, most notably vice president cheney's chief of staff scooter libby, fred flights (special assistant to john bolton), and--very surprisingly-- national security adviser steve hadley. apparently, libby and hadley have both been told by their lawyers to expect indictments. the indictment of senior bush political advisor karl rove seems highly probable. most critically, a plea bargain process has evidently been opened with vice president cheney's lawyer. that does not mean that an indictment is coming. but i've some critical background around the issue. in the past several days, former secretary of state colin powell had a meeting with senator john mccain (R-AZ), primarily about the mccain-sponsored amendment on inserting a rider prohibiting torture onto the us defense budget (a bill which powell has himself been lobbying heavily for, against objections of president bush). during the meeting, powell recounted to the senator that he had traveled on air force one with bush and cheney, and brought to their attention a classified memorandum about the issue of whether there was indeed a transaction inolving niger and yellow cake uranium. the document included ambassador joe wilson's involvement and identified his wife, valerie plame, as a covert agent. the memorandum further stated that this information was secret. powell told mccain that he showed that memo only to two people--president and vice president. according to powell, cheney fixated on the wilson/plame connection, and plame's status. powell testified about this exchange in great length to the grand jury investigating the plame case. according to sources close to the case, powell appeared convinced that the vice president played a focal role in disclosing plame's undercover status. in his conversation with mccain, powell felt that--at a minimum-- there would be a serious shakeup at national security council as a consequence. in particular, vice president cheney would no longer hold a pivotal role in us national security affairs. powell apparently did not discuss the potential of a cheney resignation. lead prosecutor patrick fitzgerald has apparently been looking at the precedent of formerly indicted nixon vice president spiro agnew. this shows the likely path, because addressing executive immunity and privilege questions would necessarily begin start with a plea- bargain deal that would entail a resignation. this is all likely to occur within the next week. 28 october (next friday) is the last day of the grand jury, and no requests have been made to extend their session. the investigator is expecting to wrap up by then. there are enormous implication for what would be the biggest white house shakeup since the iran-contra scandal in the reagan era. president bush's approval rating at 39% has already led to a significant decrease in policy efficacy with key legislators in congress. i'll spin out the broader policy implications when i have some time to write at greater length, but i wanted to get this out immediately. one interesting point though--it is worth noting that a parade of senior republican senators have evidently been privately pushing mccain to lobby
[cia-drugs] some interesting insights on the plame investigation
from a blogger on UTNE Here's a juicy e-mail I got from a Hill staffer. Blog Tools EMAIL PRINT 16 COMMENTS A Democratic Hill staffer we'll call Dobby sent me the goods on Fitzgerald. I just got this e-mail from a Democratic House member's staffer with tons of good dirt on the Plame investigation. I'm reprinting it whole cloth to share all, and show that while these Hill staffers are well-informed, they sure could use some capitalization classes. Among the things I hadn't seen before: -Fred Flights, an assistant to John Bolton, is a named name who could be indicted. -Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham have been suggested as replacements for Dick Cheney. -Colin Powell told John McCain he showed the infamous memo with Plame's identity on it two just two people; Dick Cheney and George Bush. -Fitzgerald is looking at the precedent set from the indictment of Tricky Dick's veep Spiro Agnew to pursue against Cheney. That's red meat folks. Text of the e-mail: below, some extremely sensitive information about the impending conclusion of the valerie plame investigations. the sources include two senior members of senate and key staffers; counsel for individuals that have been called before the grand jury; and two journalists taking a lead position in investigating the case. the following represents a composite of the information from those sources. plamegate coming to conclusion. the investigation has focused mostly closely on vice president cheney and his staff, as well as us ambassador to the un (and former undersecretary of state for arms control) john bolton and his staff. we are told that eight indictments have already prepared, with the possibility of another ten. these indictments include senior white house staff, most notably vice president cheney's chief of staff scooter libby, fred flights (special assistant to john bolton), and--very surprisingly-- national security adviser steve hadley. apparently, libby and hadley have both been told by their lawyers to expect indictments. the indictment of senior bush political advisor karl rove seems highly probable. most critically, a plea bargain process has evidently been opened with vice president cheney's lawyer. that does not mean that an indictment is coming. but i've some critical background around the issue. in the past several days, former secretary of state colin powell had a meeting with senator john mccain (R-AZ), primarily about the mccain-sponsored amendment on inserting a rider prohibiting torture onto the us defense budget (a bill which powell has himself been lobbying heavily for, against objections of president bush). during the meeting, powell recounted to the senator that he had traveled on air force one with bush and cheney, and brought to their attention a classified memorandum about the issue of whether there was indeed a transaction inolving niger and yellow cake uranium. the document included ambassador joe wilson's involvement and identified his wife, valerie plame, as a covert agent. the memorandum further stated that this information was secret. powell told mccain that he showed that memo only to two people--president and vice president. according to powell, cheney fixated on the wilson/plame connection, and plame's status. powell testified about this exchange in great length to the grand jury investigating the plame case. according to sources close to the case, powell appeared convinced that the vice president played a focal role in disclosing plame's undercover status. in his conversation with mccain, powell felt that--at a minimum-- there would be a serious shakeup at national security council as a consequence. in particular, vice president cheney would no longer hold a pivotal role in us national security affairs. powell apparently did not discuss the potential of a cheney resignation. lead prosecutor patrick fitzgerald has apparently been looking at the precedent of formerly indicted nixon vice president spiro agnew. this shows the likely path, because addressing executive immunity and privilege questions would necessarily begin start with a plea- bargain deal that would entail a resignation. this is all likely to occur within the next week. 28 october (next friday) is the last day of the grand jury, and no requests have been made to extend their session. the investigator is expecting to wrap up by then. there are enormous implication for what would be the biggest white house shakeup since the iran-contra scandal in the reagan era. president bush's approval rating at 39% has already led to a significant decrease in policy efficacy with key legislators in congress. i'll spin out the broader policy implications when i have some time to write at greater length, but i wanted to get this out immediately. one interesting point though--it is worth noting that a parade of senior republican senators have evidently been privately pushing mccain to lobby
[cia-drugs] Re: some interesting insights on the plame investigation
Remember that Eddie Murphy movie Trading Places. I envision something like the bathroom scene between the two brothers wherein they settle up their bet ($1) and express their distaste for Murphy because he is black, despite the fact that he was more than capable of running their commodities firm. This is beginning to sound like an off color joke about an italian man and a black woman. Perhaps Powell has very deftly screwed the people who made him go before the UN and destroy his credibility only to cast him aside like an old, spent whore after the 04' election. Revenge is a dish best served cold. I hear it is freezing in the Prettyman building. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: powell told mccain that he showed that memo only to two people--president and vice president. according to powell, cheney fixated on the wilson/plame connection, and plame's status. powell testified about this exchange in great length to the grand jury investigating the plame case. according to sources close to the case, powell appeared convinced that the vice president played a focal role in disclosing plame's undercover status. VMANN: ouch! heh. one interesting point though--it is worth noting that a parade of senior republican senators have evidently been privately pushing mccain to lobby to be cheney's replacement. senator lindsey graham (R-SC) has also been mentioned. VMANN: no condi? no guliani? nerdmann Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpgUKB/pzNLAA/cUmLAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: Fw: Special Report - Was the Wilson Affair a CIA Plot? - October 21, 2005
Jim, Cliff Kincaid has his lips firmly pursed on the administration's asshole. I am surprised you actually bothered to post this. I really cannot understand your position. You might as well get the daily talking points along with O'reilly, Hannity and Limbaugh and put them out there like you've uncovered a nugget of truth. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was the Wilson Affair a CIA Plot? By Cliff Kincaid | October 21, 2005 The media version of the CIA leak case is that the White House illegally revealed a CIA employee's identity because her husband, Joseph Wilson, was an administration critic. But former prosecutor Joseph E. diGenova says the real story is that the CIA launched a covert operation against the President when it sent Wilson on the mission to Africa to investigate the Iraq-uranium link. DiGenova, a former Independent Counsel who prosecuted several high-profile cases and has extensive experience on Capitol Hill, including as counsel to several Senate committees, is optimistic that Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald will figure it all out. DiGenova tells this columnist, It seems to me somewhat strange, in terms of CIA tradecraft, that if you were really attempting to protect the identity of a covert officer, why would you send her husband overseas on a mission, without a confidentiality agreement, and then allow him when he came back to the United States to write an op-ed piece in the New York Times about it. That mission, he explained, leads naturally to the questions: Who is this guy? And how did he get this assignment? That's not the way you protect the identity of a covert officer, he said. If it is, then [CIA director] Porter Goss is doing the right thing in cleaning house at the agency. If the CIA is the real villain in the case, then almost everything we have been told about the scandal by the media is wrong. What's more, it means that the CIA, perhaps the most powerful intelligence agency in the U.S. Government, was deliberately trying to undermine the Bush Administration's Iraq War policy. The liberals who are anxious for indictments of Bush Administration officials in this case should start paying attention to this aspect of the scandal. They may be opposed to the Iraq War, but since when is the CIA allowed to run covert operations against an elected president of the U.S.? DiGenova first made his astounding comments about the Wilson affair being a covert operation against the President on the Imus in the Morning Show, carried nationally on radio and MSNBC-TV. I wondered whether these serious charges would be refuted or probed by the media. Imus, a shock jock who has spent several days grieving and joking about the death of his cat, didn't grasp their significance. But the mainstream press didn't seem interested, either. DiGenova told me he believes there has been a war between the White House and the CIA over intelligence and that the agency, in the Wilson affair, was using the sort of tactics it uses in covert actions overseas. One has to consider the implications of this statement. It means that the CIA was using Wilson for the purpose of undermining the Bush Administration's Iraq policy. If this is the case, then one has to conclude that the CIA's covert operation against the President was successful to a point. It generated an investigation of the White House after officials began trying to set the record straight to the press about the Wilson mission. At this point, it's still not clear what if anything Fitzgerald has on these officials. If they're indicted for making inconsistent statements about their discussions with one another or the press, that would seem to be a pathetically weak case. And it would not get to the heart of the issue-the CIA's war against Bush. One of those apparently threatened with indictment, as Times reporter Judith Miller's account of her grand jury testimony revealed, is an agency critic named Lewis Libby, chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. Miller said that Libby was frustrated and angry about selective leaking by the CIA and other agencies to distance themselves from what he recalled as their unequivocal prewar intelligence assessments. Miller said Libby believed the selective leaks from the CIA were an attempt to shift blame to the White House and were part of a perverted war over the war in Iraq. Wilson was clearly part of that war. He came back from Niger in Africa and wrote the New York Times column insisting there was no Iraqi deal to purchase uranium for a nuclear weapons program. In fact, however, Wlson had misrepresented his own findings, and the Senate Intelligence Committee found there was additional evidence of Iraqi attempts to buy uranium. DiGenova raises serious questions about the CIA role not only in the Wilson mission but in the referral to the Justice Department
[cia-drugs] wayne madsen keeps hitting them out of the park
October 25, 2005 -- Libby and Cheney links to global weapons smuggling cartel resulted in exposure of Brewster Jennings and Associates non official cover (NOC) network. CIA Leakgate also tied to AIPAC probe. CIA sources familiar with the Brewster Jennings and Associates NOC operation that worked for some ten years to counter the proliferation of nuclear weapons claim that the operation's cover was partially blown because of its success at removing Soviet era nuclear weaponry and materials such as high grade plutonium from the international weapons smuggling market. Vice President Dick Cheney's chief if staff I. Lewis Scooter Libby was once the lawyer for Marc Rich, the Swiss-based American fugitive who was pardoned by President Clinton and is linked to a number of Russian and Ukrainian organized crime figures who have exiled themselves to Israel to avoid prosecution. Brewster Jennings and the CIA Directorate of Operations Counter Proliferation Division (CPD) had established a program to purchase a range of nuclear weapons components, including Inter-continental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) parts, nuclear warhead nose cones, and high grade plutonium and uranium bomb cores from Russian sources who were also selling to members of Russian Mafia networks who were, in turn, selling to the A. Q. Khan network in Pakistan and other WMD smuggling operations. Brewster Jennings and CIA's CPD involved in purchasing Soviet nuke material from black market -- pitting them against the Russian Mafia and Scooter Libby. The CIA's CPD agents were particularly worried about the materials for sale at the 70 square mile Russian nuclear weapons complex at Mayak, outside the town of Ozersk. In the late 1990s, black market high grade plutonium was being sold in buckets from warehouses in Mayak. For that reason, the CIA, using its Brewster Jennings NOC network as well as other contractors, purchased the black market materials from the nuclear used car market, as a CIA source put it. The materials were transported to the Rocky Flats nuclear weapons plant in Colorado where they were dismantled and disabled. This secret program became known to Mafia operatives active in the United States as early as 1999. CIA sources report that a well known neo-conservative figure at a Washington think tank received classified information about the Brewster Jennings/CPD operation via an espionage cell within the Department of Defense and passed it on to Israel, which, in turn, passed it to Mafia figures. Some of this information was contained in documents passed to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and the Israelis by indicted former Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and Pentagon Near East and South Asia Division analyst Larry Franklin. The classified counter proliferation information was contained in classified documents on terrorist activities in Central Asia. The AIPAC/Franklin espionage operation has been vigorously pursued by the US Attorney for Eastern Virginia Paul McNulty who was named last Friday as the new Deputy Attorney General. When the Mafia oligarchs discovered the CIA purchase program was driving up the prices of the Russian surplus nuclear materials making them unprofitable for organized crime, they used their connections inside the Bush White House and Pentagon to expose the operation to eliminate the chief American interlocutors and give themselves a lucrative virtual monopoly by removing their competition and driving up the resale price of the nuclear material even further. A CIA source said the Mafia established a nuclear hedge fund on the Russian nuclear materials. A CIA source confirmed that Libby and his former client Rich are connected to Russian Mafia figures involved in nuclear smuggling. After the Mafia discovered the identities of key Russian and other players involved with the CIA WMD purchase program, some of them were executed gangland style. - --- October 25, 2005 -- Nervous neocons are lashing out. In light of revelations that Dick Cheney was intimately involved in the outing of CIA covert agent Valerie Plame and facing certain indictments of their key leaders, the neocons are furiously lashing out at all those who helped bring the nation to the brink of rolling up their networks of influence and exposing their foreign ties. Ambassador Joseph Wilson is attacked in today's Washington Post by two Judy Millers in pants: Dana Milbank and Walter Pincus. Not coincidentally, Republican Senator Norm Coleman of Minnesota, the chairman of the Permanent Senate Subcommittee on Investigations, has trotted out previous charges that George Galloway, British Respect Party MP for Bethnal Green and Bow, personally benefited from oil vouchers from Saddam Hussein. Coleman is now threatening to have Galloway prosecuted for perjury for his testimony before the committee
[cia-drugs] Re: bush's doublespeak
Forget about what the asshole says, just watch what is done in his name. The words coming out of his mouth are meaningless. The trick is to get you to actually care about what he says, then you are trapped. Bush is the bungled and botched offspring of elite deviants. The presidency is a joke anyway. You can see from the actions of government that Bush is just a mouthpiece, a titular head that has no real idea about what is going on. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it just me or does bush use DOUBLESPEAK more than any other president in history? alex jones comments on this in his films. THE PERPETRATORS OF THESE ATTACKS ARE A DARK CULT OF EVIL, THAT DERIVES PLEASURE FROM YOUR SUFFERING. shit like that. GOVERNMENTS THAT AID THE TERRORISTS ARE ENEMIES OF DEMOCRACY. these are ambiguously worded statements that apply to his own cronies more than anyone else on the planet. everytime bush doublespeaks, you have to drink. you cant even make a drinking game out of that. you would be drunk in ten freakin minutes. vigilius haufniensis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpgUKB/pzNLAA/cUmLAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: New immigration plan breaks with White House
Jim, You are again manning the Maginot line with the pent up ferocity of a geriatric saber rattler. Why are you worried about terrorists among the wetbacks when some of the alleged perps of the 911 attacks attended military colleges as the guests of our government? How about the US business visas granted to terrorists in Riyadh by the US embassy at the request of the CIA.(Michael Springman INTO THE BUZZSAW)? Wasn't Osama at the Redstone Arsenal under the name Tim Osman? Why is it that in the face of some of the most blatant political crimes ever you still focus on minor crap and recrimination of the Clinton regime (out of power some five years now!!)? Jim, let me know, when you can, of course, how Osama brought down WTC7. 'Cause that just takes the cake as far as I am concerned. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/print?id=1249471 They are determined to leave the more than eleven million illegals in the country whether they are cheap labor and/or sleeper terrorists. - JR New immigration plan breaks with White House Reuters WASHINGTON - An influential Republican Senator introduced legislation on Tuesday that would allow many of the estimated 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens in the United States to eventually gain legal status, in a proposal that broke with the Bush administration. Nebraska senator Chuck Hagel, who is considering running for president in 2008, put forward four separate bills to address border security, employment security, create a guest worker program and encourage those in the country illegally to apply for legal status. Immigration reform is an urgent national security priority. We cannot continue to defer making tough choices about our nation's immigration policy. It is not in our interest to have 8- to 12- million people undocumented and unaccounted for in our country, he said. Hagel's bills represent the third major proposal making the rounds in Congress. Additionally, the Bush administration has been fleshing out its own plan, under which illegal immigrants and foreigners could apply under a guest worker program to work in the United States for up to six years. After that, they would have to return home. Shortly after Hagel presented his legislation, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist met with Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, sponsors of the two rival bills, and agreed to take up immigration legislation early next year. Frist said they would start with border enforcement where there was a lot of agreement among lawmakers, and then try to move beyond that to deal with the millions of illegal immigrants living in the United States. All the bills that have been put forward include measures to enhance border security and create some form of guest worker program. But they differ on the key points of how and whether illegal aliens could eventually gain citizenship. Nobody knows exactly how many people are in the country illegally. The 2000 Census estimated the number at 8.7 million and said it was growing by half a million a year. Others put the number much higher. But the fact that hundreds of thousands of people continue to cross the Mexican border each year is fast becoming a major political and security issue. In a CBS poll this week, just over half of respondents disapproved of the way President George W. Bush was dealing with immigration; 21 percent said they approved, and 26 percent said they did not know. Three-quarters all respondents said they did not think the United States was doing enough along its borders to keep illegal immigrants from entering the country. Under Hagel's proposal, illegal aliens who had been in the country for at least five years and had worked three of them could pay a $2,000 fine and apply for permanent legal status which they could get eight years later. But Hagel acknowledged that immigration divided Republicans and might be difficult to move forward in the runup to what is expected to be tight and bitter election campaign to control Congress next year. Copyright 2005 Reuters News Service. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Copyright © 2005 ABC News Internet Ventures Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpgUKB/pzNLAA/cUmLAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: How to Judge Alito
Still fiddlin' while Rome burns, eh Jim? Mice with bubonic plague; leaky borders; Hillary's 2008 run at the oval office; and now this! My God! Did you know the Rummy owns a damn fat share of the company that patented the Tamiflu vaccine? --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=20035 How to Judge Alito By Henry Mark Holzer FrontPageMagazine.com | November 1, 2005 Much will be said in days to come about Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito: his academic background at Princeton and Yale; his distinguished career as a government prosecutor and appellate lawyer; his experience in representing the United States twelve times before the Supreme Court of the United States; his hundreds of opinions during fifteen years as a member of the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit. The esteem in which he is held by colleagues, on and off the bench, will be emphasized, as will be the unanimous Senate vote he enjoyed in 1990, when President George H. W. Bush nominated Judge Alito for the Third Circuit. None of this, of course, will favorably impress the liberalcrats, whose rancorous ranting has already begun to emanate from the usual suspects - with Reid, Kennedy, and Schumer in the lead. They and their handmaidens in the media and pressure groups will scrutinize Judge Alito's many opinions - majority, concurring, and dissenting, as well as those in which he did not write but merely joined - looking for something, anything, to prove that he is not the reincarnation of the policy-making Sandra Day O'Connor. While the liberalcrats are going down that road - which, for them, is a dead end - some conservatives may need a yardstick by which to measure Judge Alito's judicial credentials. That yardstick can be found in the opinions of a Supreme Court justice whom Judge Alito will doubtless soon join: Justice Clarence Thomas. I have just finished writing a book entitled Keeper of the Flame: The Supreme Court Jurisprudence of Clarence Thomas. To write the book, I analyzed every one of Justice Thomas' 327 opinions, written during his fourteen terms on the Court. To the extent Justice Thomas' jurisprudence is reflected in Judge Alito's Third Circuit opinions, and as well in his Senate testimony, conservatives can rejoice. For Justice Thomas understands the appropriate role of a Supreme Court justice, the proper methodology for decision-making, and the answers to fundamental constitutional questions - among them, federalism, separation of powers, judicial review, and such Bill of Rights issues as abortion, affirmative action, the death penalty, and the alleged rights of prisoners. Does Judge Alito? Conservatives can begin to answer this question by looking more specifically at Thomas' mode of constitutional interpretation, which is based on the premise that the document is not a hunk of clay to be molded by justices in the shape of their own personal values. Thomas begins with the words of the Constitution itself, and, if necessary, looks to how they were understood by the Framers. Does Judge Alito? Thomas believes that the doctrine of Separation of Powers means that federal courts should not legislate, or usurp the powers of the executive. Does Judge Alito? Justice Thomas has written time and again that an aspect of separation of powers is the vertical relationship of the federal government to the states, and that the Constitution's Tenth Amendment must be read to keep the federal government out of what is peculiarly state business - and that the Commerce Clause must be read to limit the power of the federal government. Does Judge Alito? Unlike virtually every one of his current colleagues, and certainly those who have preceeded him as justices of the Supreme Court, Thomas refuses to censor political speech in the name of protecting the electoral process. He also refuses to consider so-called commercial speech as a lesser form of what the First Amendment is supposed to protect. Does Judge Alito? His Eighth Amendment jurisprudence is unique, because he holds that the Cruel and Unusual Punishments Clause, as originally intended and written, does not create a vast cornucopia of so- called prisoners' rights. Does Judge Alito? Justice Thomas stands alone as a Supreme Court justice in expressly challenging the junk Swedish and other social science upon which the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation decision was based, and in believing that paternalistic racial discrimination, such as Affirmative Action, is just as offensive and unconstitutional as malignant racial discrimination. Does Judge Alito? These comments are but the tip of the iceberg. And there is much more about the jurisprudence of Clarence Thomas that Judge Alito could do well to emulate.
[cia-drugs] Re: How to Judge Alito
Apparently, tamiflu is not effective against all veriations of avian flu. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] rove's underassessed florida beach house
November 3, 2005 -- More on Karl Rove's under-assessed house in Florida. As reported by WMR on October 29, Karl Rove's home in Rosemary Beach in Walton County, Florida seems to be one of the few houses in America that has depreciated in value. While it was bought for $165,000 in 2002, it has been assessed three years later at only $155,000. Other similar homes in the area are being assessed at $350,000 and higher. Is Rove a tax scofflaw courtesy of the man sitting in the Governor's mansion in Tallahassee? IMG SRC=http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/rovehouse.jpg Rove Florida beach front home: Only assessed at $155,000. That's a steal. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpgUKB/pzNLAA/cUmLAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: CUA outing a hoax
--- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The denouement It appears the Wilsons and CIA conned the White House staff into believing that outing Valerie Wilson was a crime,betting,the staff would lie to try to cover up the non-crime. But wouldn't the Wilsons and CIA have made a false statement to the grand jury or some law enforcment officer (including Fitzgerald) or was Fitzgerald in on the scam from the start? JR http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp? ARTICLE_ID=47242 Saturday, November 5, 2005 --- --- --- --- THE PLAME GAME Analyst says Wilson 'outed' wife in 2002 Disclosed in casual conversations a year before Novak column Posted: November 5, 2005 1:00 a.m. Eastern By Art Moore © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com Valerie Plame appeared in Vanity Fair magazine with her husband Joseph Wilson in January 2004 A retired Army general says the man at the center of the CIA leak controversy, Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, revealed wife Valerie Plame's identity in a casual conversation more than a year before she allegedly was outed by the White House through a columnist. Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely told WorldNetDaily that Wilson mentioned Plame's status as a CIA operative in at least three, possibly five, separate conversations in 2002 in the Fox News Channel's green room in Washington, D.C., as they waited to appear on air as analysts. Vallely and Wilson both were contracted by Fox News to discuss the war on terror as the U.S. faced off with Iraq in the run- up to the spring 2003 invasion. Vallely says, according to his recollection, the first time Wilson mentioned his wife's job was around February or March of 2002 - more than a year before Robert Novak's July 14, 2003, column, citing senior administration officials, identified her as an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction. Ret. Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely He was rather open about his wife working at the CIA, said Vallely, who retired in 1991 as the Army's deputy commanding general in the Pacific. WND learned of Vallely's claim through his interview Thursday night on the ABC radio network's John Batchelor show. Vallely told WND that, in his opinion, it became clear over the course of several conversations that Wilson had his own agenda, as the ambassador's analysis of the war and its surrounding politics strayed from reality. He was a total self promoter, Vallely said. I don't know it if was out of insecurity, to make him feel important, but he's created so much turmoil, he needs to be investigated and put under oath. The only indictment in Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald's two-year investigation came one week ago when Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis Scooter Libby, was charged with one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of making false statements and two counts of perjury in the case. He could face up to 30 years in prison and $1.25 million in fines if convicted on all five counts. Vallely said, citing CIA colleagues, that in addition to his conversations with Wilson, the ambassador was proud to introduce Plame at cocktail parties and other social events around Washington as his CIA wife. That was pretty common knowledge, he said. She's been out there on the Washington scene many years. If Plame were a covert agent at the time, Vallely said, he would not have paraded her around as he did. This whole thing has become the biggest non-story I know, he concluded, and all created by Joe Wilson. Fitzgerald has been investigating whether Plame's identity was leaked by the White House as retaliation against Wilson for his assertion that the Bush administration made false claims about Iraq's attempt to buy nuclear material in Africa. Wilson traveled to Niger in February 2002 on a CIA-sponsored trip to check out the allegations about Iraq and wrote up his findings in a July 6, 2003, New York Times opinion piece titled What I Didn't Find in Africa. White House defenders insist the aides simply were setting the record straight about Wilson, seeking to put his credibility in context by pointing out it was Plame who helped him get the CIA consulting job. Wilson denied his wife's role initially, but a bipartisan report by the Senate panel documented it. Wilson declared in the column that his trip revealed the Iraq-Niger connection was dubious, but his oral report to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence actually corroborated the controversial 16 words in President Bush's 2003 State of the
[cia-drugs] Re: CUA outing a hoax
Jim. You have outdone yourself. Please make sure your kneepads are on before you go down on Rush Limbaugh. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The denouement It appears the Wilsons and CIA conned the White House staff into believing that outing Valerie Wilson was a crime,betting,the staff would lie to try to cover up the non-crime. But wouldn't the Wilsons and CIA have made a false statement to the grand jury or some law enforcment officer (including Fitzgerald) or was Fitzgerald in on the scam from the start? JR http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp? ARTICLE_ID=47242 Saturday, November 5, 2005 --- --- --- --- THE PLAME GAME Analyst says Wilson 'outed' wife in 2002 Disclosed in casual conversations a year before Novak column Posted: November 5, 2005 1:00 a.m. Eastern By Art Moore © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com Valerie Plame appeared in Vanity Fair magazine with her husband Joseph Wilson in January 2004 A retired Army general says the man at the center of the CIA leak controversy, Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, revealed wife Valerie Plame's identity in a casual conversation more than a year before she allegedly was outed by the White House through a columnist. Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely told WorldNetDaily that Wilson mentioned Plame's status as a CIA operative in at least three, possibly five, separate conversations in 2002 in the Fox News Channel's green room in Washington, D.C., as they waited to appear on air as analysts. Vallely and Wilson both were contracted by Fox News to discuss the war on terror as the U.S. faced off with Iraq in the run- up to the spring 2003 invasion. Vallely says, according to his recollection, the first time Wilson mentioned his wife's job was around February or March of 2002 - more than a year before Robert Novak's July 14, 2003, column, citing senior administration officials, identified her as an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction. Ret. Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely He was rather open about his wife working at the CIA, said Vallely, who retired in 1991 as the Army's deputy commanding general in the Pacific. WND learned of Vallely's claim through his interview Thursday night on the ABC radio network's John Batchelor show. Vallely told WND that, in his opinion, it became clear over the course of several conversations that Wilson had his own agenda, as the ambassador's analysis of the war and its surrounding politics strayed from reality. He was a total self promoter, Vallely said. I don't know it if was out of insecurity, to make him feel important, but he's created so much turmoil, he needs to be investigated and put under oath. The only indictment in Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald's two-year investigation came one week ago when Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis Scooter Libby, was charged with one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of making false statements and two counts of perjury in the case. He could face up to 30 years in prison and $1.25 million in fines if convicted on all five counts. Vallely said, citing CIA colleagues, that in addition to his conversations with Wilson, the ambassador was proud to introduce Plame at cocktail parties and other social events around Washington as his CIA wife. That was pretty common knowledge, he said. She's been out there on the Washington scene many years. If Plame were a covert agent at the time, Vallely said, he would not have paraded her around as he did. This whole thing has become the biggest non-story I know, he concluded, and all created by Joe Wilson. Fitzgerald has been investigating whether Plame's identity was leaked by the White House as retaliation against Wilson for his assertion that the Bush administration made false claims about Iraq's attempt to buy nuclear material in Africa. Wilson traveled to Niger in February 2002 on a CIA-sponsored trip to check out the allegations about Iraq and wrote up his findings in a July 6, 2003, New York Times opinion piece titled What I Didn't Find in Africa. White House defenders insist the aides simply were setting the record straight about Wilson, seeking to put his credibility in context by pointing out it was Plame who helped him get the CIA consulting job. Wilson denied his wife's role initially, but a bipartisan report by the Senate panel documented it. Wilson declared in the column that his trip revealed the Iraq-Niger connection was dubious, but his oral report to the Senate Select
[cia-drugs] Re: CUA outing a hoax
Jim is taking an obvious bullshit propaganda story designed to deflect the heat coming from Fitzgerald's indictment and ongoing investigation and he is regurgitating it here in order to convince you that Wilson and the CIA are at fault and the current administration is clean as the driven snow. Jim, you are wrong! The people who are running and ruining this country feed crap like this to sympathetic media outlets to get people like you to accept their crimes as business as usual. I have read your lame posts with increasing disgust. You are a shill! After you do your bukake scene with Limbaugh, Hannity and O'reilly, perhaps Michelle Malkin and Annn Coulter will invite you over so you can do a bit of scat munching. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't listened to or read Rush for at least two years. Did he reach the same conclusion (which is obvious from the facts)? Your sick sexual obsessions say a lot about you.JR VMANN: that was mark urban dude, not me. vigilius haufniensis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Fallujah - The Hidden Massacre
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10907.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: Joe Wilson's threat
In 40 years, much has changed. The CIA is there to take the hits, what about DIA, NSA, ONI etc.? Tennant was no true insider; he is a greek kid who used to work as a waiter in the ScooBee diner in Little Neck, NY before college. Goss, whose job it is to defang and dismantle the CIA studied ancient greek at Yale and was a member of one of the elite senior societies at that very same institution. You put it together. Consider the source of Jim's wonderful post. Joe Farah is the token arab in the neocon firmament. Jim is just shillin' as usual. Looking for the truth in World Net Daily is like looking through Hitler's photo albums for Bar Mitzvah pictures. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpgUKB/pzNLAA/cUmLAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: Joe Wilson's threat
In 40 years, much has changed. The CIA is there to take the hits, what about DIA, NSA, ONI etc.? Tennant was no true insider; he is a greek kid who used to work as a waiter in the ScooBee diner in Little Neck, NY before college. Goss, whose job it is to defang and dismantle the CIA studied ancient greek at Yale and was a member of one of the elite senior societies at that very same institution. You put it together. Consider the source of Jim's wonderful post. Joe Farah is the token arab in the neocon firmament. Jim is just shillin' as usual. Looking for the truth in World Net Daily is like looking through Hitler's photo albums for Bar Mitzvah pictures. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: Israelis evacuated from Amman hotel hours before bombings
Now they are reporting that the previous story was unsubstantiated. Subscribe to Print Edition | Thu., November 10, 2005 Cheshvan 8, 5766 | | Israel Time: 13:11 (EST+7) Last update - 13:11 10/11/2005 No truth to report of Israeli evacuations before Amman bombs By Yoav Stern, Haaretz Correspondent There is no truth to reports that Israelis staying at the Radisson SAS hotel in Amman on Wednesday were evacuated by Jordanian security forces before the bombing that took place there. The Israelis were escorted back to Israel by Jordanian security personnel only after the attacks had taken place, contrary to earlier reports. Al Qaida said Thursday that it had carried out the triple suicide bombings at the Radisson, Grand Hyatt and Days Inn hotels in downtown Amman, in which at least 57 people, including an Israeli, were killed. Representatives of Israel's embassy in Amman were in contact with local authorities to examine any report of injured Israelis, but none were received. There are often a number of Israeli businessman and tourists in Amman, including in the hotels hit Wednesday. Israel's counter-terror headquarters on Wednesday recommended Israeli citizens not travel in Jordan. Travel warnings regarding Jordan were tightened a few months ago, but many Israelis still visit the country. Many also visit other regions such as the Jordanian Arava and the ancient city of Petra. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, mark urban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: odigo alerts two hours before 911 netanyahu alerted before 711 bombs in london and now this. Jim, please note that I am citing Haaretz, which, as far as I can tell, is not some conspiratorial rag. Is it just me or does something stink to high heaven? http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/643661.html Last update - 05:00 10/11/2005 Israelis evacuated from Amman hotel hours before bombings By Yoav Stern, Haaretz Correspondent A number of Israelis staying on Wednesday at the Radisson hotel were evacuated before the bombing by Jordanian security forces, apparently due to a specific security alert. They were escorted back to Israel by security personnel. The Foreign Ministry stated Wednesday that no Israeli tourists are known to have been injured in the blasts. Representatives of Israel's embassy in Amman were in contact with local authorities to examine any report of injured Israelis, but none were received. There are often a number of Israeli businessman and tourists in Amman, including in the hotels hit Wednesday. Israel's counter-terror headquarters on Wednesday recommended Israeli citizens not travel in Jordan. Travel warnings regarding Jordan were tightened a few months ago, but many Israelis still visit the country. Many also visit other regions such as the Jordanian Arava and the ancient city of Petra. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Al-Qaida Links Jordan Bombings to Iraq War
Al-Qaida Links Jordan Bombings to Iraq War Nov 10 7:57 AM US/Eastern Email this story By JAMAL HALABY Associated Press Writer AMMAN, Jordan Al-Qaida claimed responsibility Thursday for three suicide bomb attacks on Western hotels that killed at least 56 people, linking the deadly blasts to the war in Iraq and calling Amman the backyard garden for U.S. operations. Police continued a broad security lockdown and authorities sent DNA samples for testing to identify the attackers. Land borders were reopened after being closed for nearly 12 hours. Government spokesman Bassel Tarawneh lowered the death toll by one, citing confusion in the early hours after the blasts. He said the number was likely to rise slightly. He said the victims included 15 Jordanians, five Iraqis, one Saudi, one Palestinian, three Chinese, one Indonesian; 30 others hadn't been identified. The nearly simultaneous attacks late Wednesday also wounded more than 115 people, police said. They detained several people overnight, although it was unclear if those being held were of suspects or witnesses. The al-Qaida claim, posted on a militant Internet site, said Jordan became a target because it was a backyard garden for the enemies of the religion, Jews and crusaders ... a filthy place for the traitors ... and a center for prostitution. The authenticity of the posting could not be independently verified, but it appeared on an Islamic Web site that acts as a clearing house for statements by militant groups. The claim of responsibility, signed in the name of the spokesman for Al-Qaida in Iraq, said the attacks put the United States on notice that the backyard camp for the crusader army is now in the range of fire of the holy warriors. Iraqi government spokesman Laith Kubba said the attack should alert Jordan that it needed to stop playing host to former members of Saddam Hussein's regime. I hope that these attacks will wake up the `Jordanian street' to end their sympathy with Saddam's remnants ... who exploit the freedom in this country to have a safe shelter to plot their criminal acts against Iraqis . He also said Iraqis may have had a hand in the attacks. The al-Qaida organization has become as a plague that affected Iraq and is now transmitted by the same rats to other countries. A lot of Iraqis, especially former intelligence and army officers, joined this criminal cell, Kubba said. Jordan's Deputy Prime Minister Marwan Muasher said shortly after the blasts that al-Qaida in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was a prime suspect. The Jordanian-born al-Zarqawi is known for his animosity to the country's Hashemite monarchy. The claim of responsibility did not name King Abdullah II but twice referred to the tyrant of Jordan. In the attacks, the suicide bombers detonated explosives at the Grand Hyatt, Radisson SAS and Days Inn hotels just before 9 p.m. One of the explosions took place inside a hall where 300 guests were celebrating a wedding. Until late Wednesday, Amman _ a comfortable, hilly city of white stone villas and glitzy high-rises _ had mostly avoided large-scale attacks and was a welcome sanctuary of stability in a troubled region. Al-Zarqawi is most known for the string of devastating suicide attacks launched in Iraq, often against U.S. targets but also against Shiite Iraqis. He has shown a flair for propaganda and drawn wide support among militants in the region. But outside Iraq, and especially in Jordan, he has been equally active. He was sentenced to death in absentia by a Jordanian military court for the October 2002 assassination of a U.S. diplomat, Laurence Foley, in Amman. His group also is accused of previously trying to blow up the Radisson SAS in Amman as part of the so-called Millennium plot in 1999 and of an attack this August on a U.S. Navy ship in the Jordanian port of Aqaba that killed one Jordanian soldier. In Amman, a security official said authorities had tips on suspects who are being hunted, including possible sleeper cells or individuals who may have assisted the attackers and later fled in a vehicle bearing Iraqi license plates. The official, insisting on anonymity because he is not allowed to speak to reporters, said that DNA tests were being carried out to determine the identity of the perpetrators, including two suicide bombers who blew themselves up in two of the separate hotel attacks. A third suicide attacker used a car. The state Jordan Television showed Abdullah inspecting the sites of the blasts after returning home early Thursday, cutting short an official visit to Kazakhstan. He later presided over a meeting of his security chiefs, including police and intelligence. The hotels, frequented by Israelis and Americans among other foreign guests, have long been on al-Qaida's hit list. Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast,
[cia-drugs] Re: Israelis evacuated from Amman hotel hours before bombings
--- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and that the blood of the cattle had 'consecrated' the soil. heh If that were true then Chicago would be the friggin' Vatican. If my sources are correct, the Talmud teaches that Jews are better than we goyim are. Goyim stands for cattle. I don't consider myself a cow, and I'll bet you don't either. We use our brain to think, but the Talmud teaches otherwise. This is why many (not all) Jews consider themselves better than the rest of us.Peace,Arlene Johnso VMANN: it's my understanding that the location of the UN building was selected, because it had been a slaughter yard for cattle, and that the blood of the cattle had 'consecrated' the soil. heh. nerdmann Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpgUKB/pzNLAA/cUmLAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: How Barry Goldwater became the College Republicans' golden boy
Too bad quig is not with us any longer. He knew about arizona politics and he liked goldwater. Remember the millionaires against the billionaires dynamic? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/vseplB/TM ~- Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: Agent: Feds told of threats to blow buildings
Bob, The problem I have is that Jim is essentially doing disinformation. He keeps posting garbage as if it were poignant, against the grain material. I do not read him as a curmudgeon with a hanky wrapped around his head; instead, he is beginning to read like one of those Freepers with a Ken Starr jones. OkBomb was a smaller version of 911 with white supremacists, arabs and many of the same players involved in the cover up (Controlled Demolition removed the debris in both cases). JD Cash is a monitor who controls information about OkBomb by playing reporter and shacking up with Glen Wilburn's widow ( I do not know his current status with Kathy Wiburn). The Wilburn's lost a grandchild in the daycare center that was in the Murrah Building the day of the bombing. Glen Wilburn wanted to file a suit against McVeigh so that he could gain access through the legal discovery procedure to otherwise undisclosed information about OkBomb. A very short time after Wilburn disclosed his intentions, he died of one of the fastest acting cases of pancreatic cancer known to man. Jim is a man on a raft in he middle of the Pacific denying the existence of dry land. I do not know why he posts here; however, I do know that a search for the truth has little to do with it. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/ok.html McVeigh at McDonald's mark urban wrote: JD Cash was Glen and Kathy Wilburn's CIA assigned handler. Hoppy Heidelberg, the defrocked Okbomb grand juror who refused to play ball with the government in the case, has reiterated this in his interviews. When I first joined this group back in June 2001, My very first post was regarding this matter. Pathetic! Google turns up a lot better info. Kirk Lyons materially assisted Andreas Strassmeir, which debunks Vincent Petruskie's denial that he got Andy a job. Strassmeir entered a secure BATF door alone, too. McVeigh and Strassmeir were seen together by a dancer at Godiva's, which had to be why she was murdered. If Strassmeir was CIA under BATF cover, and was working with McVeigh, McVeigh is confirmed CIA by hundreds of witnesses hearing that he had been recruited out of special forces training for a government mission, like Daniel Marvin says the JFK autopsy filmer's murderer was recruited out of his special forces training. The op turned out to be bombing a daycare center to mold public opinion and to destroy Gulfwar medical records like they burned the archive of where Vietnam vets were when Agent Orange was sprayed. Russell Welch was anthraxed, which again says CIA, not merely BATF or drug-related corruption. Welch mentioned that Barry Seal was involved in arms smuggling, again for CIA. Park-On-Meter was CIA arms trading. Iran-Contra exposed some CIA arms smuggling. Rodney Stich exposed CIA drug dealing. There are a number of accounts of Iran-Contra era arms deliveries where cocaine was brought back on the return flight. Everyone at Elohim City was a BATF informer. The Mueller family and Tom Kersey, journalist, were murdered because they knew too much. Kersey was coerced to shoot himself in the head twice by the people who also ordered the Mueller family murder. BATF was the landlord to the Muellers, three BATF agents. Those BATF agents moved an air conditioner over a bloodstain at the Muellers and destroyed at least two pieces of evidence at the Kersey two-bullet suicide. Every white supremacist, local and state cop, and federal agent can universally assume that CIA is using BATF to cover arms smuggling like shoulder fired misssiles, and cocaine on return flights, and bomb a daycare center or two, under cover of BATF and white supremacists. It's a macarena and a house of mirrors, deep water only the worst can feel bottom as far as who to trust and what to believe is really going on. They tried to kill Welch, and they have killed cops. BATF harbors cop-killers and dope smugglers and their arms smugglers don't steal or sell the high grade military arms. Because it's a macarena and a house of mirrors, it was funny when two of the babysitters said that a lot of people had broken into the Mueller house. Everyone in Arkansas is constantly going through each other's cereal boxes looking for BATF badges, and even then, the feds themselves, and local and state cops, don't know who's who among themselves! The white supremacists are not caching the high-grade weapons. A few of them porter some, but they're flown out right away like Barry Seal used to do, from little airports like Mena, in a number of states. Drugs come back, but that's compartmentalized away from the Christian Identity arms porters. Ethnic gangs funnel the drugs. The Christian Identity gun nuts are insulated from the ethnic drug gangs, even their own white biker dopers, all compartmentalized as much as possible
[cia-drugs] ruppert to leave the USA for good
Mike wrote a piece that is on the rense.com website about bidding farewell to america. funny but nowhere in the article does he mention that he is accused of sexually harrassing one of his female employees. Is there an extradition treaty with venezuela? By The Light Of A Burning Bridge - A Permanent Goodbye To the United States Michael C. Ruppert From The Wilderness Publications 8-17-6 Sometimes you get your best light from a burning bridge - Don Henley, My Thanksgiving CARACAS - It was about a week before I left the United States forever that I watched Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. tell Charlie Rose something all of us already know in our hearts. Today, he said, the United States is hated around the world far worse than it was at the height of the Vietnam War. I remember the Vietnam War. I will never forget it. I opposed that war, and I still remember riots on the UCLA campus in May,1970 when four students were shot dead by National Guard troops at Kent State University in Ohio. I was a college student then, and I was 2S-deferred for the draft. A year later I would be re-classified 1A as the nation shifted to a lottery system. At least someone in my country was willing to risk his life in the face of injustice. It gave me hope. That kind of risk-taking was commonplace then, from the civil rights movement to the anti-war movement, to the American Indian Movement. American blood was shed regularly on American soil to resist American tyranny; from Watts, to Detroit, to Selma, to San Francisco to Memphis to Wounded Knee. It fertilized our lives and souls as it touched the ground. The willingness to endure physical suffering, material sacrifice, and jail for the sake of justice was a singular mark of the American character that earned respect as it infected the world. What is the United States infecting the world with today? Now it seems the American people won't even risk their credit ratings, student loans, the next piece of ass, or a sideways glance from people who look at them like AIDS patients for daring to deviate from the corporate, media-instilled norm. We have come a long way backward. Rodney King's Can't we all just get along has become the modern day theme song for the surrender of America's character, and the L.A. Rebellion of 1992 was probably the last flame of will to fight injustice in American history. This new quiescence comes at a time when US crimes are far worse and more far-reaching than they were in 1970; certainly in the eyes of the world. In 2001 the US government both facilitated and executed the attacks of 9/11 against its own people, killing thousands of its citizens as an excuse to launch a neo-imperial conquest for energy. A few Americans held small rallies, organized some ineffective groups, bought a few hundred thousand books and DVDs, listened to a few radio programs and lectures, and then quietly lined up to have their bags, emails, credit histories, minds and bodies searched. Critical mass was never achieved as Executive Orders along with the Patriot and Homeland Security Acts shredded the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th Amendments to our Bill of Rights. In my book Crossing the Rubicon I wrote that events that took place in the five years following those attacks would determine the course of human history for centuries to come. We now stand at the brink of that fateful anniversary. After the 9-11 attacks the US government lied to create a war for oil in Iraq telling us that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, almost-ready atom bombs, poison gas and deadly germs. We were told that he helped execute the 9/11 attacks. It was all lies, and no one has held the US accountable for the hundreds of thousands of deaths (murders) in Iraq and Afghanistan since then. Few have tried to hold the government accountable for 2,500 Americans who have died needlessly, and those who have, have been remarkably ineffective. US presidential elections were stolen in 2000 and 2004 through rigged electronic voting software and intimidation. Not one drop of blood was spilled anywhere, even as the US Supreme Court rendered an illegal decision supporting the overthrow of the Constitution and trampling the rights of individual states. I never thought I would call the 60s and 70s the good old days. I would cry tears of joy today to see just one campus overrun by a modern equivalent of the Students for a Democratic Society. I would cheer to see a general strike paralyze a city. It would be living proof that American character had not been submerged, drugged, weakened, and rendered anemic beyond revival. My country is dead. Its people have surrendered to tyranny, and in so doing, they have become tyranny's primary support group; its base constituency; its chief defender. Every day they offer their endorsement of tyranny by banking in its banks and spending their borrowed money
[cia-drugs] Re: ruppert to leave the USA for good
so! is mike leaving for idealistic reasons or is he scooting before his ass gets nailed? I think stripping to your shorts in front of a female employee and then running around the office is downright creepy, which, for myself, is exactly what Mike Ruppert is. Im sure he will burn as much 12 cents a gallon venezuelan gas as he can pump into his car.--- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike wrote a piece that is on the rense.com website about bidding farewell to america. funny but nowhere in the article does he mention that he is accused of sexually harrassing one of his female employees. Is there an extradition treaty with venezuela? http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081606_burning_bridge.shtml The burglary followed on the heels of my humiliation of the perpetrator of a feeble and stupidly executed sexual blackmail plot that began when a newly-hired staff writer (with a clean record and a Master's degree in English) began a torrid (and not very discrete) sexual affair with my long-term IT manager. The IT manager was, at the time, involved in a committed relationship with a woman in Los Angeles. The same female employee also made simultaneous direct sexual advances to my Operations Manager who is married. These included her showing naked photographs of herself to both men in our offices, something which they kept from me until later. Eventually the sexual intrigue resulted in an altercation between the three which wound up on my doorstep late on a Sunday night in April. It seems no one involved in the altercation was capable of telling the whole truth. It was also clear that my IT manager - who was known for his appetites - had fallen hopelessly in the grasp of an attractive sexual smorgasbord that was fulfilling his every wish. This is what he said to people in phone conversations who later told me about them. He reportedly described her as a sexual demon. He lied to his girlfriend. He lied to me when he told me that he had ended the relationship. Then he lied to his friend, the Operations Manager, about it. I could no longer trust him, and this was of enormous concern to me. After all of the previous attempts to sink FTW over the years I was well-prepared when the same woman started making advances to me. How dumb did they think I was? I concealed a tape recorder in my office as she directed me, after regular office hours, to pornographic web sites and continually tried to tempt me with scanty outfits, G-strings and hints of sexual delights including descriptions of her private parts. She was doing all this at a time when she made 103 cell phone calls in one month to my IT Manager on a cell phone that FTW was paying for. I got the bills. Most of the calls were made during business hours. The second month's bill was just as bad when it arrived after she had been fired. My IT Manager had been my most trusted employee and a close friend. I may never be able to forgive his betrayal even if the Siren's song had overwhelmed him. In previous years FTW computers had been sabotaged, our web site had been hacked, and several attempts had been made to financially sabotage our operations. Being fully aware that he was likely revealing our most sensitive proprietary information, including account access codes, I had but two choices. I could fire the young woman. But if I did so she would be angry outside the company and still have the IT Manager as helpless as Ulysses' crew in her vindictive grasp. Or, I could keep her close, play along with her games, prepare myself against the blackmail I knew would come, and try to find out what kind of damage she was intent on doing and head it off. When she could not compromise me sexually, she turned the IT Manager against me, and he gave sudden notice. That was damaging enough. His last day of work was to be June 1st. I decided immediately that that would be her last day of work too, and so it was. As June 1 approached I baited her with actions I knew would force her to show her hand. She did on May 29th and that's when I let it be known how I had protected myself. She immediately went - no doubt with the guidance of our IT Manager - to a ridiculous pseudo-journalist who has been hounding FTW and other 9-11 activists for years. In a previous sabotage attempt in 2005 this same pseudo-journalist had been directly connected to the FBI by a tape recording. Her allegations of sexual harassment against me fell flat on their faces, and she was publicly humiliated. She had also been showing highly erratic emotional behavior consistent with drug use in her last two weeks of work. On the day she was terminated she and the IT manager frantically rushed to erase large quantities of data from her office computer. This was witnessed by the
[cia-drugs] something of interest re:mr peak oil
http://911underground.com/WING_TV_2006-06-16_Ex- Ruppert_Employee_Alleges_Sexual_Harassment.M3U Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] more ruppertinsky
apparently it isn't the sexual harrassment that mike is running from; instead, he is running from the cops because they have determined that his office trashing was an inside job. Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: more ruppertinsky
what i wrote was not a joke ruppert has self destructed poke fun at it but that son of a bitch has misled too many people over too many years for me to cut him any slack whatsoever. he is a creep and he deserves what he gets -- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: apparently it isn't the sexual harrassment that mike is running from; instead, he is running from the cops because they have determined that his office trashing was an inside job. VMANN: i hear they've also ruled vince foster's death a suicide. vigilius haufniensis Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: ruppert to leave the USA for good
I have followed Ruppert and his information since the days when he, Dan Hopsicker and Kris Millegan used to make presentations about CIADRUGS. I subscribed to From The Wilderness; I bought his video presentations and other material (something about Col. Al Carone. I used to defend him, because I believed his heart was in the right place. Then I began to see and hear the dark side. Ruppert has a very short fuse and a very large ego. On a Rense interview, he was unaware of an open mike during a commercial break. He holds most people in contempt and considers the people who were calling in with questions to be idiots. Do not forget the history that Ruppert has on this bulletin board. Remember the Genesis crap the Hopsicker exposed? Remember the investment seminars in Cancun? Remember Peak Oil? I remember going back and forth with Dale Alan Pheiffer about Peak Oil on this very Bulletin board. He acted like abiotic oil never existed. Review the history and see how dismissive Ruppert was. Remember Mike's Delmart Vreeland Scoop? Remember Alan Greenspan and the poisoned wine? I do not know what you're implying. Ruppert wants to look like some kind of heroic character; instead he's just covering his ass. Mind you, there is nothing wrong with covering your ass, but be honest about it. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Duncan M. Roads [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you ever met Mike, Mark? just curious Duncan On 19/08/2006, at 3:21 AM, mark urban wrote: so! is mike leaving for idealistic reasons or is he scooting before his ass gets nailed? I think stripping to your shorts in front of a female employee and then running around the office is downright creepy, which, for myself, is exactly what Mike Ruppert is. Im sure he will burn as much 12 cents a gallon venezuelan gas as he can pump into his car.--- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis nerdmann@ wrote: Mike wrote a piece that is on the rense.com website about bidding farewell to america. funny but nowhere in the article does he mention that he is accused of sexually harrassing one of his female employees. Is there an extradition treaty with venezuela? http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081606_burning_bridge.shtml The burglary followed on the heels of my humiliation of the perpetrator of a feeble and stupidly executed sexual blackmail plot that began when a newly-hired staff writer (with a clean record and a Master's degree in English) began a torrid (and not very discrete) sexual affair with my long-term IT manager. The IT manager was, at the time, involved in a committed relationship with a woman in Los Angeles. The same female employee also made simultaneous direct sexual advances to my Operations Manager who is married. These included her showing naked photographs of herself to both men in our offices, something which they kept from me until later. Eventually the sexual intrigue resulted in an altercation between the three which wound up on my doorstep late on a Sunday night in April. It seems no one involved in the altercation was capable of telling the whole truth. It was also clear that my IT manager - who was known for his appetites - had fallen hopelessly in the grasp of an attractive sexual smorgasbord that was fulfilling his every wish. This is what he said to people in phone conversations who later told me about them. He reportedly described her as a sexual demon. He lied to his girlfriend. He lied to me when he told me that he had ended the relationship. Then he lied to his friend, the Operations Manager, about it. I could no longer trust him, and this was of enormous concern to me. After all of the previous attempts to sink FTW over the years I was well-prepared when the same woman started making advances to me. How dumb did they think I was? I concealed a tape recorder in my office as she directed me, after regular office hours, to pornographic web sites and continually tried to tempt me with scanty outfits, G-strings and hints of sexual delights including descriptions of her private parts. She was doing all this at a time when she made 103 cell phone calls in one month to my IT Manager on a cell phone that FTW was paying for. I got the bills. Most of the calls were made during business hours. The second month's bill was just as bad when it arrived after she had been fired. My IT Manager had been my most trusted employee and a close friend. I may never be able to forgive his betrayal even if the Siren's song had overwhelmed him. In previous years FTW computers had been sabotaged, our web site had been hacked, and several attempts had been made to financially sabotage our operations. Being fully aware that he was likely revealing our most sensitive proprietary information, including account access codes, I had but two choices. I
[cia-drugs] Re: Please allow to post as all connectsVictory for Christopher Bollyn (911 researc
strange, but as a result of this interview/debate, bollyn has ended his friendship with piper. piper has stated that hufschmidt has aknowledged that his sister is married to ruppert murdoch's son. ain't that a kick in the head? --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, MarshaMcClelland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Victory for Christopher Bollyn (911 researcher journalist set up beaten by law enforcement) and the beginning of wing tv's demise/ Thu., August 24, 2006: Playlists: M3U | RAM (Individual MP3: Click Here) Guests: Christopher Bollyn and Victor Thorn to debate the Christopher Bollyn abuse and arrest incident and WingTV's coverage of the event - callers included Jack Blood and Mark Bilk from California who presented the results of a voice stress analysis of officer Russo who was involved with the arrest of Christopher Bollyn. http://www.rbnlive.com/ Open letter to Michael Collins PiperWow-Your show was awesome To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 9-11- [EMAIL PROTECTED], 9-11- [EMAIL PROTECTED], 911-insidejob-impeachbush- [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], United-Stands- [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], wtc- [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], - [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], American-Peace- [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Michael, The general consensus in the patriot and political groups in cyberspace is that the mean wing team, lisa guliani victor thorn, really are the enemy of the people... I was listening to my friend Judy Andreas on RBN Live and happened to hear your show the other night, after the one she was on, was over...I had never had the pleasure to listen before and I was concerned because a radio show host in good standing like you, being friends with the likes of victor and lisa didn't make sense...Judy said you'd come around and you did by golly by allowing truth to come out like that on today's show... Thank you s much...It was super great First Jack Blood whom lisa and victor crucified shamefully, confronting victor/scott with the truth then Mark Bilk's extravaganza...WOW...Kudos to them both What a break for Chris...There are no words to express how great and unique Mark's surprise was...He is amazing...Case closed and Christopher Bollyn justly wins Goes to show you that something good can come out of something bad like even the used to be dynamic duo Thanks Michael...Please look close at who and what victor and lisa really are...I know them well...Their June 16 show, Useful Idiots was about me...All lies easily proven...If I ever care to but they're not important enough to address and nobody buys their spin anyway... The few in comparison to the wise on this matter, who still believe their scam will see their true colors now, after this Christopher Bollyn attack...Thank goodness The funny thing is they go after all the well known patriots and really went wild on just a little one like me and I'll get to be the one to deliver the final blow to their demise in the truth movement... I have the capacity to reach the masses and the two fake patriot losers know it, too...And to think I used to believe in them and thought them heroes at one time...Boy was I wrong...My story with lisa is interesting but I'll tell it another time I kicked her butt with truth once and she banned me from her forum the moment another spoke up on my behalf...lisa was getting exposed as the villain she had been trying so hard to make me out to be Nope, she can't ward off what she has coming and her little scott mafuka or what ever his real name is, too...As I said...I kicked her butt once and I've been waiting for the right moment to finish them both off...It's close...very close As the real and true patriots stand up, for and with each other, the dividers and disruptors will go down...I'm sad lisa and victor have to be among them...I had hoped they'd come around and change their ways They could have been the catalysts that helped unite us all but they chose the reverse, instead People will be listening to your show from all over after I send this to all the groups, Michael Come on guys...tell
[cia-drugs] a newspaper article on ruppertinsky
http://www.dailytidings.com/2006/0825/stories/0825_ruppert2.php Ashland, Oregon August 25, 2006 'Wilderness' relocates to Venezeula By Robert Plain Ashland Daily Tidings Mike Ruppert is gone. He left not only Ashland, his new-found hometown, but has denied his allegiance to the United States with a reported exodus to Venezuela. I left the United States with one large suitcase, my laptop, and a backpack, he wrote in an article on his Web site. I left behind my precious library, most of my clothing, my personal possessions, my guns, and a house full of furniture. I brought with me less than eight thousand dollars in cash and gold to start the final segment of my life. Ruppert is the owner and editor of FromTheWilderness.com, a Web site dealing with Peak Oil and alternative Sept. 11 theories. Earlier this year he moved to Ashland and quickly drew a local following of supporters. Ruppert played a role in the Jackson County Sustainability Network, a group of some 200 local people who are trying to localize daily life and food production in the area. A few computers, along with boxes, are stacked up in the conference room of the From the Wilderness on Washington Street in Ashland. Photo by Orville Hector | Daily Tidings The former Los Angeles beat cop became an independent journalist to uncover government conspiracies. According to the article on his Web site, he says he has relocated to Venezuela, in part, because of a June burglary at his Ashland office. It was the final outrage in almost three decades of attempts to silence my voice, he wrote on his Web site, ostensibly from the South American socialist nation. However, one of the founders of the local sustainability network says that his recent disappearance raises more questions about the man's mental well-being than any of the reasons Ruppert himself cites for his departure. My feeling is he really needed a change in his life, said Michael Dawkins, a friend of Ruppert's who also facilitates a support group for depression and bi-polar disorder. I think there is some depression or mania there. A strange burglary Ruppert's brief tenure in Ashland reached a bizarre climax with the burglary on June 26. Who committed the crime, and why, remains unsolved. Like the government conspiracy theories he often writes about, his thoughts on the burglary include twists, accusations and of course, government persecution. There will be another time and another place, when I can and will say more about what happened, he wrote on his Web site. Certain important events have yet to unfold, and I'm holding other key facts until the time is right. There are facts about the timing of the burglary that may eventually connect to events here in Venezuela. Ruppert said he believes a former employee, who he had fired weeks for the crime, burglarized his office. The former employee thinks she knows who committed the burglary. I think he did that himself, she said. Ashland Police are keeping an open mind. Officers would not rule out Ruppert himself as a suspect. At this point the case is still under investigation, Deputy Chief Rich Walsh said. We're looking into both current and ex-employees. He added, We'd like to find out what the purpose of moving to Venezuela was. It may have absolutely nothing to do with it but we would like to know. A troubled relationship When interviewed the morning after the alleged burglary, Ruppert said he suspected the employee of trying to use his shipping department to smuggle methamphetamine. Her behavior was entirely consistent with meth addiction, he said, noting that some of his clues included highly erratic behavior, mood swings, poor dental hygiene and her slight figure. According to the woman, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because she fears Ruppert or his allies could try to hurt her, her accusation of sexual harassment caused her dismissal. She denies the meth accusation. I don't know where he comes up with me being on methamphetamine, she said. Both parties admit to engaging in conduct typically deemed inappropriate at the workplace, such as conversations about sexual preferences and other flirtatious behavior. I made the mistake of not realizing early-on that I was being harassed, the woman said in a statement made public by Victor Thorn, editor of WingTV.net. For a while I was able just to 'laugh it off' when such comments came from Mr. Ruppert by telling myself it was just a harmless product of a patriarchal American society. Wing TV is a competing 9-11 conspiracy site. Both Thorn and Ruppert describe themselves as internet rivals. The woman said she did not provide the statement, which outlines the alleged harassment, but a friend of hers did. The friend, she said, is actually another former Ruppert staffer whom she met after leaving From The Wilderness. The morning after the alleged burglary, Ruppert discussed his troubled
[cia-drugs] Re: a newspaper article on ruppertinsky
Bob, At this point I think Victor is having way too much fun to worry about the quality of his work. Mike is doing a very good job destroying himself, so why should Victor not just sit back and watch it. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, muckblit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Naturally the newspaper and Victor Thorn let this stand: She denies the meth accusation. I don't know where he comes up with me being on methamphetamine, she said. More of that in a moment. First, check this out: 'I made the mistake of not realizing early-on that I was being harassed, the woman said in a statement made public by Victor Thorn, editor of WingTV.net...The woman said she did not provide the statement, which outlines the alleged harassment, but a friend of hers did. ' ...so Victor Thorn as well as Mike Ruppert need to take journalism 101, but we don't want any help from the peanut brain gallery i.e. Victor Thorn and Robert Plain. Ruppert suggests that street level meth head secretary may have played useful idiot on the government supervised parole and probation crew of her **METH FELON** boyfriend, a major omission by Thorn, Plain, and the METH FELON's stickleg bitch with less than bewitching gum disease. Another major omission was the METH FELON's girlfriend's sexual history in the office. She cost Ruppert his computer systems administrator by having sex with him and another co-worker. Spam, cheap shots, distractions, trailing off into nowhere with judas goats, have fun. And of course Duncan is nowhere to be found when facts are flying. He and Thorn showed up on time and squatted momentarily in the vicinity but did not trip over a single fact. -Bob --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, mark urban mcurb@ wrote: http://www.dailytidings.com/2006/0825/stories/0825_ruppert2.php Ashland, Oregon August 25, 2006 'Wilderness' relocates to Venezeula By Robert Plain Ashland Daily Tidings Mike Ruppert is gone. He left not only Ashland, his new-found hometown, but has denied his allegiance to the United States with a reported exodus to Venezuela. I left the United States with one large suitcase, my laptop, and a backpack, he wrote in an article on his Web site. I left behind my precious library, most of my clothing, my personal possessions, my guns, and a house full of furniture. I brought with me less than eight thousand dollars in cash and gold to start the final segment of my life. Ruppert is the owner and editor of FromTheWilderness.com, a Web site dealing with Peak Oil and alternative Sept. 11 theories. Earlier this year he moved to Ashland and quickly drew a local following of supporters. Ruppert played a role in the Jackson County Sustainability Network, a group of some 200 local people who are trying to localize daily life and food production in the area. A few computers, along with boxes, are stacked up in the conference room of the From the Wilderness on Washington Street in Ashland. Photo by Orville Hector | Daily Tidings The former Los Angeles beat cop became an independent journalist to uncover government conspiracies. According to the article on his Web site, he says he has relocated to Venezuela, in part, because of a June burglary at his Ashland office. It was the final outrage in almost three decades of attempts to silence my voice, he wrote on his Web site, ostensibly from the South American socialist nation. However, one of the founders of the local sustainability network says that his recent disappearance raises more questions about the man's mental well-being than any of the reasons Ruppert himself cites for his departure. My feeling is he really needed a change in his life, said Michael Dawkins, a friend of Ruppert's who also facilitates a support group for depression and bi-polar disorder. I think there is some depression or mania there. A strange burglary Ruppert's brief tenure in Ashland reached a bizarre climax with the burglary on June 26. Who committed the crime, and why, remains unsolved. Like the government conspiracy theories he often writes about, his thoughts on the burglary include twists, accusations and of course, government persecution. There will be another time and another place, when I can and will say more about what happened, he wrote on his Web site. Certain important events have yet to unfold, and I'm holding other key facts until the time is right. There are facts about the timing of the burglary that may eventually connect to events here in Venezuela. Ruppert said he believes a former employee, who he had fired weeks for the crime, burglarized his office. The former employee thinks she knows who committed the burglary. I think he did that himself, she said. Ashland Police are keeping an open mind. Officers would not rule out Ruppert himself as a suspect. At this point
[cia-drugs] Re: a newspaper article on ruppertinsky
Bob, At this point I think Victor is having way too much fun to worry about the quality of his work. Mike is doing a very good job destroying himself, so why should Victor not just sit back and watch it. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, muckblit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Naturally the newspaper and Victor Thorn let this stand: She denies the meth accusation. I don't know where he comes up with me being on methamphetamine, she said. More of that in a moment. First, check this out: 'I made the mistake of not realizing early-on that I was being harassed, the woman said in a statement made public by Victor Thorn, editor of WingTV.net...The woman said she did not provide the statement, which outlines the alleged harassment, but a friend of hers did. ' ...so Victor Thorn as well as Mike Ruppert need to take journalism 101, but we don't want any help from the peanut brain gallery i.e. Victor Thorn and Robert Plain. Ruppert suggests that street level meth head secretary may have played useful idiot on the government supervised parole and probation crew of her **METH FELON** boyfriend, a major omission by Thorn, Plain, and the METH FELON's stickleg bitch with less than bewitching gum disease. Another major omission was the METH FELON's girlfriend's sexual history in the office. She cost Ruppert his computer systems administrator by having sex with him and another co-worker. Spam, cheap shots, distractions, trailing off into nowhere with judas goats, have fun. And of course Duncan is nowhere to be found when facts are flying. He and Thorn showed up on time and squatted momentarily in the vicinity but did not trip over a single fact. -Bob --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, mark urban mcurb@ wrote: http://www.dailytidings.com/2006/0825/stories/0825_ruppert2.php Ashland, Oregon August 25, 2006 'Wilderness' relocates to Venezeula By Robert Plain Ashland Daily Tidings Mike Ruppert is gone. He left not only Ashland, his new-found hometown, but has denied his allegiance to the United States with a reported exodus to Venezuela. I left the United States with one large suitcase, my laptop, and a backpack, he wrote in an article on his Web site. I left behind my precious library, most of my clothing, my personal possessions, my guns, and a house full of furniture. I brought with me less than eight thousand dollars in cash and gold to start the final segment of my life. Ruppert is the owner and editor of FromTheWilderness.com, a Web site dealing with Peak Oil and alternative Sept. 11 theories. Earlier this year he moved to Ashland and quickly drew a local following of supporters. Ruppert played a role in the Jackson County Sustainability Network, a group of some 200 local people who are trying to localize daily life and food production in the area. A few computers, along with boxes, are stacked up in the conference room of the From the Wilderness on Washington Street in Ashland. Photo by Orville Hector | Daily Tidings The former Los Angeles beat cop became an independent journalist to uncover government conspiracies. According to the article on his Web site, he says he has relocated to Venezuela, in part, because of a June burglary at his Ashland office. It was the final outrage in almost three decades of attempts to silence my voice, he wrote on his Web site, ostensibly from the South American socialist nation. However, one of the founders of the local sustainability network says that his recent disappearance raises more questions about the man's mental well-being than any of the reasons Ruppert himself cites for his departure. My feeling is he really needed a change in his life, said Michael Dawkins, a friend of Ruppert's who also facilitates a support group for depression and bi-polar disorder. I think there is some depression or mania there. A strange burglary Ruppert's brief tenure in Ashland reached a bizarre climax with the burglary on June 26. Who committed the crime, and why, remains unsolved. Like the government conspiracy theories he often writes about, his thoughts on the burglary include twists, accusations and of course, government persecution. There will be another time and another place, when I can and will say more about what happened, he wrote on his Web site. Certain important events have yet to unfold, and I'm holding other key facts until the time is right. There are facts about the timing of the burglary that may eventually connect to events here in Venezuela. Ruppert said he believes a former employee, who he had fired weeks for the crime, burglarized his office. The former employee thinks she knows who committed the burglary. I think he did that himself, she said. Ashland Police are keeping an open mind. Officers would not rule out Ruppert himself as a suspect. At this point
[cia-drugs] Re: Please allow to post as all connectsVictory for Christopher Bollyn (911 researc
piper stated it on his monday show --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: strange, but as a result of this interview/debate, bollyn has ended his friendship with piper. piper has stated that hufschmidt has aknowledged that his sister is married to ruppert murdoch's son. ain't that a kick in the head? VMANN: did bollyn state this on his show? if so, what day? vigilius haufniensis Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[cia-drugs] Re: ***Christopher Bollyn attacks continued by wing tv***
I'll make a little prediction: Mike Piper will be vindicated. Chris Bollyn will realize he is being deceived. The rotten apple in this barrel is Hufschmid. Wing TV is inconsequential. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Marsha MCClelland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Arlene...Would you mind dropping Michael Piper a note telling him how you feel about wing...And everyone be sure to hear The Piper report 8-31 as a guy named Solomon puts wing in their placehttp://mp3.rbnlive.com/Piper/0608/20060830_Wed_Piper.m3u ~ From: Marsha MCClelland [EMAIL PROTECTED] View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert Subject: Re: ***Christopher Bollyn attacks continued by wing tv***To: Michael Collins Piper [EMAIL PROTECTED] No...I believe you're one of the good guys, Michael...It's just your luck that wing tv dragged you into this...It'll be okay and work out...It always does...Everything happens for reasons, you know...Something good is bound to come out of all this I really tried not to believe Lias and Victor anything but heros...Really...I idolized her prior to learning who and what she really is...So did Judy Andreas who's a new friend of mineLisa was suppossed to be a friend of hers but cruelly betrayed her as the rule for almost everyone she chooses, trying to spread truth I could gather quite a list because when I do one of my provoked attacks of truth on wing, there's lots of feed back with those having their own stories of what wing did to them It's a long story but mine will convince you Lisa is a bad person and Victor is right behind her...I could never tell you in a brief manner all she did to me...Or tried to...I kicked her butt and her own people at her forum are witness...She banned me as soon as one of her own...A guy I wrote about, his name was actually Guy, too...A friend of hers who spoke up for me, questioning her...and boom...I'm banned Then it got serious in public forum A very long story but as soon as I can I'll hunt through our forum for the detailed emails to short cut having to write from recollection and boreing you I proved her the villian she tried to make me out to be Chin up Michael...This will pass soon...But please don't give up on Christopher...Try to see through his eyesand forgive his being hard on you And for God's sake...Ditch the two losers because in your heart you know the truth...They are going down and you don't want to be in association with them when they do...Do you? Sincerely, Marsha I Michael Collins Piper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume it is also your view that I am a Zionist agent working with Wing TV to destroy Christopher Bollyn. Is that why I gave Chrstopher three weeks as the guest host on my program---my decision, nobody else's--and even suggested that he have Eric Hufschmid as a co-host (even though I was becoming aware that Eric was suggesting, falsely, that AFP was suppressing Christopher's writings, which AFP was not)? Here's mine From: Marsha MCClelland [EMAIL PROTECTED] View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert Subject: Re: ***Christopher Bollyn attacks continued by wing tv***To: Michael Collins Piper [EMAIL PROTECTED] [input] [input] [input] [input] No...I believe you're one of the good guys, Michael...It's just your luck that wing tv dragged you into this...It'll be okay and work out...It always does...Everything happens for reasons, you know...Something good is bound to come out of all this I really tried not to believe Lias and Victor anything but heros...Really...I idolized her prior to learning who and what she really is...So did Judy Andreas who's a new friend of mineLisa was suppossed to be a friend of hers but cruelly betrayed her as the rule for almost everyone she chooses, trying to spread truth I could gather quite a list because when I do one of my provoked attacks of truth on wing, there's lots of feed back with those having their own stories of what wing did to them It's a long story but mine will convince you Lisa is a bad person and Victor is right behind her...I could never tell you in a brief manner all she did to me...Or tried to...I kicked her butt and her own people at her forum are witness...She banned me as soon as one of her own...A guy I wrote about, his name was actually Guy, too...A friend of hers who spoke up for me, questioning her...and boom...I'm banned Then it got serious in public forum A very long story but as soon as I can I'll hunt through our forum for the detailed emails to short cut having to write from recollection and boreing you I proved her the villian she tried to make me out to be Chin up Michael...This will pass soon...But please don't give up on Christopher...Try to
[cia-drugs] a succinct analysis of the american dream by george carlin
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