Re: [LegacyUG] Transfer narratives from General Notes to Stories.

[johnbernacki1]

Thanks Cathy

John

From: Cathy Pinner 
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2021 6:01 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Transfer narratives from General Notes to Stories.

No John.
The quickest way would be to search for all those with General Notes
The search is Individual > Notes-General > not equal to > [don't enter anything 
here]

Then in the Search list with the Notes tab on top, cut and paste to a Story for 
that person. The Story button is at the bottom on the left.

Cathy

johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:


  Is there a simple, quick way to transfer narratives from General Notes 
  to Stories, for everyone in my database? (When I began using Legacy I 
  wrote each person’s narrative story in General Notes. Since Legacy 9.0 
  there has been an option to write narratives in “Stories”. I would 
  prefer to use Stories because there is an option to include Children’s 
  Stories in reports.
  John




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[LegacyUG] Transfer narratives from General Notes to Stories.

[johnbernacki1]

Is there a simple, quick way to transfer narratives from General Notes to 
Stories, for everyone in my database? (When I began using Legacy I wrote each 
person’s narrative story in General Notes. Since Legacy 9.0 there has been an 
option to write narratives in “Stories”. I would prefer to use Stories because 
there is an option to include Children’s Stories in reports.

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Re: [LegacyUG] file for customised settings

[johnbernacki1]

Thank you Jenny.

John

-Original Message- 
From: Jenny M Benson

Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 7:53 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] file for customised settings

On 16/05/2021 08:05, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:
Would someone please remind me of the filename extension for the file in 
which customised settings are saved.


It's .usr.

if you look up File Extensions in the Help Index you will see
comprehensive list of .usr files and others.

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[LegacyUG] file for customised settings

[johnbernacki1]

Would someone please remind me of the filename extension for the file in which 
customised settings are saved.

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Re: [LegacyUG] "Index" columns

[johnbernacki1]

You can save your Index columns settings. From the Index screen, select 
Options, then select Customise Columns. Save your customised settings.

John 

From: Margaret Gagliardi 
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 9:00 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: [LegacyUG] "Index" columns

When I use the "index" to look for an ancestor, I adjust the columns so I can 
see the details better.  However, when I get out of the Index, the columns 
default back to where they were originally.  How and where can I get these 
columns fixed to the width that I want them to stay at?
Thanks
Margaret



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Re: [LegacyUG] BEWARE!!! MyHeritage "wonderful" photo colorization steals your photos!

[johnbernacki1]

My experiences with MyHeritage were horrendous. I will never again have 
anything to do with them, except using Legacy software which they now own. If 
Legacy stops being standalone and becomes some kind of cloud software, I would 
never upgrade to it and may transfer my data to another genealogy program. From 
my experience, MyHeritage uses every dirty trick in the book.

John 

From: Jane Linkswiler 
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 4:59 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] BEWARE!!! MyHeritage "wonderful" photo colorization 
steals your photos!

Thank you, CE

 

From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of CE 
WOOD
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 10:30 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup 
Subject: [LegacyUG] BEWARE!!! MyHeritage "wonderful" photo colorization steals 
your photos!

 

If you are foolish enough to upload your photos and use this "wonderful" 
colorization service promoted today by LegacyFamilyTree, 
https://news.legacyfamilytree.com/legacy_news/2020/02/your-black-white-photograph-to-full-color-in-1-step.html


 Your Black & White Photograph to Full Color in 1 Step

  Brand new - use this incredible new tool to automatically colorize your 
black and white photographs. Watch how here: At www.myheritage.com/incolor I 
uploaded some of my black and white photographs and let the tool do the rest. 
Take a look...

  news.legacyfamilytree.com
 

 

MyHeritage will OWN YOUR PHOTOS

 

"...by posting content on the Website, you grant us a royalty-free, worldwide, 
perpetual and non-exclusive license to host, copy, post and distribute such 
content."

 

 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[johnbernacki1]

Pasting from MS Word works until you save it. Then the Eastern European special 
characters turn into bizarre symbols.

John

From: Andrew Robbie 
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:37 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

You can always copy/paste from something like MS Word that supports inserting 
special characters.

 

Or the ‘Alt’ + numeric keypad short cut should work directly into Legacy…

 

A

 

From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Jon M
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 8:38 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

 

Thanks Ian and Otso,

 

Trying the character map within Windows 10 does not work. I tried. Thank you 
both for the suggestions. 


Cheers, Jon

(Sent from a mobile device)

 

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 5:29 PM Ian Thomas  wrote:

  Possibly the Windows Accessories group, then 2nd item in the list, Windows 
Character Map (for Windows 10, English language)

  I.L. Thomas
  Victoria Park, Western Australia


  -Original Message-
  From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Otso Havu
  Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 8:00 AM
  To: Legacy User Group 
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

  Sorry, I have a Finnish Win so help is only approximate now.

  Start > roll to  Windows tools --- just after Windows Power shell --- look 
for a topless pyramide with special characters : select it :
  select a character, pick and paste to Legacy

  ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 1.35 Cathy Pinner (genea...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:
  >
  > Jon,
  >
  > Not all characters can be used in Legacy. Those that can be used are 
  > in the Character Map in the program. Make sure it is on at Options > 
  > Customise 4.6. Then when you see this Character Ribbon, click the 
  > square at the top of it to see all characters.
  > I don't think the one you want is available.
  >
  > Cathy
  >
  >
  > > Jon M 
  > > Tuesday, 26 November 2019 5:06 AM
  > > Can someone point me in the right direction on how to use special 
  > > alphabet characters in Legacy? I have a large portion of individuals 
  > > in the tree from Lithuania and Slovenia. Both alphabets have special 
  > > characters.
  > >
  > > For example, I have a last name of Janaviče in Lithuanian, and I 
  > > would like to be able to have the lower "C" hachek used in Legacy. 
  > > Is this possible?
  > >
  > > My Windows 10 software is using English as the primary language. 
  > > Note, I do not speak or write in either of these languages.
  > >
  > > Thank you!
  > > Jon
  > >
  > >
  > >
  >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Report has wives in wrong order

[johnbernacki1]

Thank you Brian. I had completely forgotten that the spouse list existed. I 
think people often stop seeing icons that they rarely use.


John

-Original Message- 
From: Brian Kelly

Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2019 4:04 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Report has wives in wrong order

Do you have the wives correctly sorted by marriage date? If they are in
the wrong order when you display they spouse list for him they will be
in the wrong order in reports as well.

Brian Kelly

On 01-Oct.-19 12:15 a.m., johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:
I noticed that for someone in my database, the order of his wives is shown 
incorrectly in Ancestor Book Reports. I have double checked that the 
marriage date of each wife is entered accurately. The marriage status has 
been entered as divorced. However, in reports it says Johnny “next 
 married” Elvira, even though she was his first wife.He was only briefly 
married to Elvira and no children with her.


Is there a way to fix this?

John




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[LegacyUG] Report has wives in wrong order

[johnbernacki1]

I noticed that for someone in my database, the order of his wives is shown 
incorrectly in Ancestor Book Reports. I have double checked that the marriage 
date of each wife is entered accurately. The marriage status has been entered 
as divorced. However, in reports it says Johnny “next married” Elvira, even 
though she was his first wife.  He was only briefly married to Elvira and no 
children with her.

Is there a way to fix this?



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Re: [LegacyUG] Merging only a portion of one family file into another family file

[johnbernacki1]

Gloria,

If the new family file was exactly the same as the original before the 11 days 
of adding new data, you could keep the new family file as your main one.  

John


From: Andrew Robbie 
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 8:42 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Merging only a portion of one family file into another 
family file

Gloria,

There is a “date added” and “time added” in the search criteria, but this will 
only find brand new individuals (not changes made).

 

Maybe helps…

 

A

 

From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Gloria DeSousa
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 2:35 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Merging only a portion of one family file into another 
family file

 

Hi,

For whatever reason I can no longer recall, I began a "new" family file using  
my older family file, meaning it was the same file but different name. I 
obviously then forgot to move to my main family file to continue doing my usual 
inputting of information and where I do all my work. Unknowingly, I kept 
working on this "new" file for 11 days before I switched back to the family 
file I always work with, and the only file I want. I want to move only the 
portion that is new from the new file to the more established file, where I 
should have been inputting information in the first place. I tried many things, 
such as importing the entire "new" file into the established file but with over 
30,000 individuals in my tree, that produced 900,000 duplications to review 
based on the criteria I chose. I tried the help index, read up on tagging and 
hashtags, to no avail. Is there a way to do this?

Thanks for any help,

Gloria




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Re: [LegacyUG] Hints - MyHeritage

[johnbernacki1]

I found Geneanet useful for finding German ancestors who lived near the French 
border or in the Duchy of Lorraine. In most of Europe, borders shifted many 
times over the centuries. Also, during the time of the German Holy Roman 
Empire, there were French enclaves and exclaves in German states, 
principalities etc.



John


From: Chris Hill 
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2019 4:31 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Hints - MyHeritage

It might be French based but it does cover Europe better than the others.


Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Sun, 8 Sep 2019, 19:15 Cindy Custer,  wrote:

  Geneanet is a French site – no good for German research!



  From: LegacyUserGroup On Behalf Of Andrew Robbie
  Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2019 2:11 PM
  To: 'Legacy User Group' 
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Hints - MyHeritage



  Thanks Chris – very useful.  Good sharing!



  Andrew



  P.S.  I’m always learning, so should share…  Israelian   IsraeliJ







  From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Chris Hill
  Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2019 6:56 PM
  To: Legacy User Group 
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Hints - MyHeritage



  Hi



  On the very bottom line where there are the three people you can specify as 
shortcuts. Double-click on the 1 before the first name - don't think it is the 
right click but my PC is currently down. It will show you the stats and a few 
options. Does not seem to be in the help index, or not obvious.



  MyHeritage is Israelian, as I recall, and probably started with good European 
links, but has grown to try and match Ancestry.



  FindMyPast is UK based and good for UK information, and has been extending to 
cover the ex-UK colonies and USA.



  GenealogyBank seems to be USA only in terms of content.



  FamilySearch is the LDS site and is very strong on USA and Europe, and 
growing elsewhere, with the target of building a single tree for the world 
(which FindMyPast has also suggested for UK based on users trees).



  The other sites are obviously Ancestry which good for USA, UK, Europe, 
Canada, Australia and NZ. Genealogist is a UK site and Geneanet is a European 
site.



  My biggest issue is that all have some common information and then each have 
different collections of various information, so you need to search through 
many of them, certainly in the UK.

  Regards

  Chris

  From my Motorola G6+



  On Sat, 7 Sep 2019, 22:34 Andrew Robbie,  wrote:

Chris/Cathy/et al,



Curious – where exactly is that hints status info? Chris mentioned “right 
click on the 1 button in the bottom right line” – which ‘1’ button on which 
window/view is that on?  Images are appreciated, even if not recommended on 
this forum… J



And regarding these services, who can chime in regarding their usefulness 
in certain regions, periods, etc. of research?  I know mileage may vary based 
on your lineage and study geos/timelines…



My take



MyHeritage: Seems to be merged/merging with FamilySearch now…



FamilySearch: I like the -XXX unique numbering system, and Legacy’s 
Family Search tool (accessed from the D  icon) that helps manage and merge 
Legacy records with Family Search.  I must admit, I don’t see many hits in this 
category anymore, maybe since I have all my FS IDs covered now.  Others’ 
opinions?



FindMyPast: Mainly advertises as UK and NAM, but I find most of my hits 
only come from UK.  I need Australia and New Zealand hits also. Anyone got 
other perspectives?



GenealogyBank: does show info in config that this is mostly American 
history for past 300 years (this is useful to know before subscribing). I do 
not subscribe to this service currently.  I do find that it shows many hundreds 
of hits, maybe due to simply name match (no dates considered) but are these 
hits useful? Also, no Canada hits despite advertising US and Canada coverage. 
Anyone got any other observations?



Thanks,

Andrew ROBBIE





From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf 
Of Chris Hill
Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2019 5:58 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Hints - MyHeritage



Hi



Yes, I asked the question about the speed of Hints appearing or not, 
after I reset my tree to reset the Hints list.



The first response was that the Hints list is not the list of 
individuals in the tree, mine was 3,000 vs 11,850, but it is driven by the 
number of individuals that you have opened in the Family or Pedigree views. 
That has become obvious to me over the last couple of weeks and the list is now 
4,187 long.



The other response was on the speed in which they are processed. My 
stats, right click on the 1 button in the bottom right line, now show



My Heritage:   Pending 1655   Waiting 2146   Processed 386

GenealogyBank : Pending 537 Waiting 3056   Processed 595

FindMyPast :Pending 0 Waiting 1 
Processed 

[LegacyUG] How to include Children’s notes in Ancestor Book Report.

[johnbernacki1]

Under Report Options, I am able to select/check the option to include 
Children’s notes in Descendant Book Reports, but not in Ancestor Book Reports. 
Is there a bug in the latter? The option is there but greyed out. There is also 
a greyed out check mark in the box for Children’s notes.

John
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Re: [LegacyUG] a problem Perhaps

[johnbernacki1]

It appears the correct spelling is Towson County. Wikipedia has information 
about it.



John


From: Ian Macaulay 
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 9:20 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: [LegacyUG] a problem Perhaps

Now it could be me doing something stupid for which I apologize in advance, but 
I have documents that say Towsen County and Suspect its Oklahoma, Chocktaw 
Nation .  Yet legacy tells me. 




Anyone know which is correct?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Census

[johnbernacki1]

I agree with Chris, especially if your ancestors have non Anglo-Saxon/Celtic 
names. Family Search is generally better than the others. I think their staff 
are better trained at indexing names, including foreign ones.

John


From: Chris Hill 
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 7:15 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census

Hi 

I think the best way to do this type of search is directly in their website, 
and not through a search from Legacy.

Doing it yourself means that you have control on the search and can work 
through the records that are found. The same technique works against any of the 
websites that have access to census records - Ancestry, FindMyPast, MyHeritage 
etc. - but Family Search has the benefit of being free.

The risk with an automatic search is that it is dependent on the data that you 
have in Legacy, which might not relate to the way that the census records are 
written or indexed, so that you do not find the records that you are looking 
for. 

For an example, I was tracing a family in Cornwall and found 14 different 
versions of the family surname across census and BMD records. Doing it manually 
give you the option to control these searches.


Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Thu, 29 Aug 2019, 21:44 Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup, 
 wrote:

  Long time Family tree user and switched to Legacy 9 last year and really like 
it better than Family tree.
  I do struggle with searching census records with legacy 9 and family search.
  What is the best way to do the research. 
  Steve Ostheimer
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Re: [LegacyUG] Fwd: Re: charting selecting a starting point

[johnbernacki1]

There is actually a chart in Legacy Charting that possibly does what you 
want. Have you tried the “Family” chart located among the Hour Glass and Bow 
Tie options? Select a parent as the starting person and their children will 
be displayed.


-Original Message- 
From: Brian Kelly

Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 10:45 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: [LegacyUG] Fwd: Re: charting selecting a starting point

TreeDraw allows you to import multiple charts and combine them into a
single display. It takes a fair bit of editing to format the chart and
get a good looking display but you can do a lot more with combined
charts than with Legacy Charting.

Back in 2005/2006 I built a combination chart using TreeDraw starting
with the Descendants of my Maternal Grandparents then imported the
ancestors of each Grandparent to make a kind of hour glass chart. Worked
on it for 6 months or more both to get the layout correct and to
incorporate changes I got from the people in the chart during the project.

Had it printed on banner grade paper 36 in wide and close to 8 feet long
for a family reunion that year. It was very well received by the attendees.

Brian Kelly

 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] charting selecting a starting point
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 17:43:14 +1000
From: johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
Reply-To: Legacy User Group 
To: Legacy User Group 



Perhaps there are Legacy users who are experienced in using the Legacy
add-on called TreeDraw, who can tell you if that software can do what
you want.

*From:* John S. Adams 
*Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2019 9:23 AM
*To:* Legacy User Group 
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] charting selecting a starting point

You could enter a fake child for the mother and father with a given name
of “Joe & Mary”. Depending on the chart, you may have to play around
with the appearance options to get something that works for you. After
you’ve created the chart, be sure to eliminate the fake child.

Sent from Mail  for
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John S. Adams

Ventura, CA


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*Subject:* [LegacyUG] charting selecting a starting point
How can I get a brother and sister of the same family as a starting point?


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Re: [LegacyUG] charting selecting a starting point

[johnbernacki1]

Perhaps there are Legacy users who are experienced in using the Legacy add-on 
called TreeDraw, who can tell you if that software can do what you want.


From: John S. Adams 
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 9:23 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] charting selecting a starting point

You could enter a fake child for the mother and father with a given name of 
“Joe & Mary”. Depending on the chart, you may have to play around with the 
appearance options to get something that works for you. After you’ve created 
the chart, be sure to eliminate the fake child.

 

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John S. Adams

Ventura, CA

 




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Robert Keith 
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 2:02:44 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com 
Subject: [LegacyUG] charting selecting a starting point 

How can I get a brother and sister of the same family as a starting point?



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Re: [LegacyUG] Mass deleting entries

[johnbernacki1]

I strongly agree with the others who warned about deleting people from your 
database according to DNA ethnicity results. Such results are not exact.  DNA 
only suggests a region where people with a particular cluster of genes in 
common mostly originate from. The regions or countries given by each company 
varies according to where most of the customers in their database come from and 
how each company defines the region or country borders. The ethnicity results 
are far less useful if you have mixed ethnic ancestors as the results can be 
very skewed. 

There is no such thing as being 100% French or any other ethnicity. Different 
tribes have migrated across the world for millennia. The Ancestry company is 
misleading because they do not tell you that they only test autosomal DNA which 
is only works for about 3- 5 generations at most. Other companies that test 
mtDNA and Y-DNA (as well as autosomal DNA may possibly provide more accurate 
results about your ethnic heritage.

John


From: Mary Young 
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 5:35 PM
To: User Group Legacy 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mass deleting entries

Where did these entries come from? There must be a reason why they are in your 
Family file. I would not rely on DNA to tell me who should be in my database. 
Mary Young

On Tue, 23 Jul 2019, 05:28 ,  wrote:

  Robert.

  Two ways: 

1.. Unlink them from your from their families so keeping them in your 
database. 
2.. Tag the  ones you want deleted an then delete them.
  Either way you need to spend time making sure you unlink or delete the 
correct ones.

  Cheers



  From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Robert O. LaBonte Sr. via LegacyUserGroup
  Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2019 4:47 a.m.
  To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
  Cc: Robert O. LaBonte Sr. 
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Mass deleting entries



  Hello

  I hope that you can help me on this. I have 1,000's + of entries that I did 
not enter in my tree. How do I delete masses of these people? My tree consist 
of 27,000+ people and about 3,000+ are wrong. My DNA shows that I am 100% 
french and these entries are English and whatever.

  How can I delete these people without deleting relatives sprinkled among  
them? Thank you for your time.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Recording names of kings/queens on family view

[johnbernacki1]

I just did what seems to work/look best in charts. For example, a person in 
my database is Count Philipp I of Nassau-Saarbrücken-Weilburg. I put “Count” 
in the title prefix, “Philipp I” as the given name and left the surname 
field empty. Finally, I put “of Nassau-Saarbrücken-Weilburg” in the title 
suffix.


John

-Original Message- 
From: Cathy Pinner

Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2019 11:34 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Recording names of kings/queens on family view

There's a whole section discussing entering royal titles etc in Mary
Slawson's book: Getting it Right: the definitive guide to recording
family history accurately which can be found at

If the URL doesn't work, just search for it in FamilySearch books.  The
illustrations are all from Legacy.

Cathy



Lin Sharp 
Thursday, 4 July 2019 7:31 AM
I am not certain how best to record royal names.  For instance, if I am 
adding King Edward II of England, do I place "King" in the Prefix space, 
"Edward II"  in given name, and "of England" in the surname space?  I 
assume consistency is probably the most important thing, showing all 
royalty in the same format but do want to know if there is a right way or 
a wrong way to record  this information.


Thank you!





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Re: [LegacyUG] How to change the title of Individual Report?

[johnbernacki1]

Thank you Cathy, you solved the problem. I had presumed that that because 
only one set of brackets is required for couples [CoupleNames, Span] that it 
would be similar for individuals.


Regards,
John

-Original Message- 
From: Cathy Pinner

Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 12:46 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to change the title of Individual Report?

Use the codes in the Help for Report Titles. It should be [FullName]
[LifeSpan]
Note each code has its own set of brackets. You may want [CR] [FullName]
[LifeSpan] or  [FullName] [CR] [LifeSpan] to control the line break.

Cathy

johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:


In Report Title Options, I was able to change the title from Family
Group Record to the couple’s names. I was also able to include their
life spans. To do this used the Embedded Field: [CoupleNames, Span].

My problem is that I tried doing a similar thing with an Individual
Report but it does not work. I tried [FullName, Span] and [FullName,
Lifespan]. The resulting report title is “Individual Report for
[FullName, Lifespan]”.

How can I change the title of Individual Report to the person’s name
and include their life span?

Regards,

John




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[LegacyUG] How to change the title of Individual Report?

[johnbernacki1]

In Report Title Options, I was able to change the title from Family Group 
Record to the couple’s names. I was also able to include their life spans. To 
do this used the Embedded Field: [CoupleNames, Span].

My problem is that I tried doing a similar thing with an Individual Report but 
it does not work. I tried [FullName, Span] and [FullName, Lifespan]. The 
resulting report title is “Individual Report for [FullName, Lifespan]”. 

How can I change the title of Individual Report to the person’s name and 
include their life span?



Regards,

John
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[LegacyUG] Make a new version of a book in Publishing Centre.

[johnbernacki1]

I am working on a comprehensive book with many chapters. I want to preview and 
compare some variations to the format of this book e.g. change some of the 
reports/chapters or their order etc. To do this, I would like to make a copy of 
this existing book with a new name or date of modification. 

If I start a new book, I have start from scratch adding all the 
chapters/reports.

If I use “Save The Current Book...” and give it a new name, only the name of 
the original format displays in the top-left corner of the screen. 

“Load a Saved Book” works for opening a few very old books with only a few 
chapters but it does not work for the newly named format/version of the big 
book mentioned above.

I am not sure whether there is a bug in Legacy or I am doing something wrong. 
Please help.



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[LegacyUG] Marriage Notes in Ancestor Book Report

[johnbernacki1]

In Ancestor Book Reports I cannot see any difference whether or not Marriage 
Notes has been selected (under Notes/Stories). The Marriage Notes are always 
included and appear identical. What have I missed?
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Re: [LegacyUG] Global editing of Hashtags?

[johnbernacki1]

Thank you Bob. I had been clicking on the hashtag symbol on the Legacy toolbar 
which does not allow editing. I had presumed the hashtag symbols for 
individuals were only for adding or editing their individual hashtags.



John


From: Bob Austen 
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 4:06 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Global editing of Hashtags?

Hi John,

 

Click on any Hashtag symbol and the ‘Hastags’ screen opens up. There you can 
Edit, Add, etc. Editing changes the Hashtag ‘globally’, that is, any changes to 
the Hashtag now becomes that Hashtag and applies anyone tagged with it.

 

Hope this is what you were looking for.

 

Bob

 

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Behalf Of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 4:58 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@Legacyusers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Global editing of Hashtags?

 

With the hashtags feature introduced in Legacy 9, is there a way to globally 
edit a particular hashtag or do I have go the every individual person with that 
hashtag in order to edit it?

John


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[LegacyUG] Global editing of Hashtags?

[johnbernacki1]

With the hashtags feature introduced in Legacy 9, is there a way to globally 
edit a particular hashtag or do I have go the every individual person with that 
hashtag in order to edit it?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Changing location name based on event year?

[johnbernacki1]

I did a similar thing with location names. I basically did it the way Brian 
suggested. Bear in mind there may be people born in Colonial America (before 
1783) but married or died when the country name was different. I have 
individuals among my European ancestors whom have two or even three 
different country names for events, even though they never left the town in 
which they lived. Other levels of government (e.g. county or state) can also 
have different names.


I think it is worth the trouble because it adds some social history or 
historical context to your ancestors' lives and is in line with best 
genealogy practice. You also learn a lot about the social history of your 
ancestors while researching the changing jurisdictions and occasionally find 
great sources in the process.


John

-Original Message- 
From: Glenda Hall

Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 7:09 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Changing location name based on event year?

I agree with Brian Kelly. No quick fix. I periodically clean up locations 
based on time of event.


Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 6, 2018, at 2:49 PM, Brian Kelly  wrote:

Although you can use the Master Location List to edit a location and the 
change will update all uses I do not think that will work for you because 
the same place that has existed since colonial days needs two entries, one 
for the colonial place and one for the post-revolution place name if it is 
used for an event after 1783. In fact if there have been county name 
changes over time you may need more than just two to adhere to the 
standard of naming a place as it existed at the time of an event.


You can probably develop a work list using a search for all people with an 
event date before 1783 then tagging those people to work on. As you work 
through the tagged people, updating the place names to your colonial 
standards, you can remove the tag.


Brian Kelly


On 06-Nov-18 2:06 PM, Dave Johnson wrote:
I have been laboriously cleaning up my locations in Legacy 9.  I decided 
that all events in the US that took place before 1783 should identify 
"Colonial America" for the country.  After 1872, all US locations should 
identify "United States" as the country.
This may not make sense to some, but it is something that I want to do. 
Does anyone know how this might be accomplished without changing them one 
by one?

Dave
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Re: [LegacyUG] Different colour font for each gender in Index View

[johnbernacki1]

Re warnings about uppercase surnames: Jennie, I navigated to where you 
suggested and found “Surname entered as all uppercase” already deselected. I 
clicked select then deselected it again and the problem was fixed.


Re new main surnames not displayed in index: After closing Legacy then 
reopening it, the new main surnames are now displayed in the index. Fixed.


The problem persists with gender colours not working in Index or Descendant 
Views.


Very strange things are happening in Legacy.

John

-Original Message- 
From: johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 10:37 AM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Different colour font for each gender in Index View

My worry is also escalating. I have now noticed a third problem. I have just
added alternate surnames to individuals within a family group and swapped
them to be the main surname. The Index does not display the new main
surnames. It still however displays the now alternate surnames.

John

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Swann

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 9:45 AM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Different colour font for each gender in Index View

I also now seem to have lost my descendent colours as well in Family
view. Now black only, Have tried clearing relationships and rebuilding
and then resetting the 2 group colours - but nothing.

Looks like this release has more bugs in it then the bugs it was
supposed to fix !!

I am now getting seriously worried about the future of Legacy as another
bug that I reported a LONG time ago has still to be actioned - namely
that clicking on the media for a shared event brings up completely the
wrong person.

Is there an EASY way to revert back to the previous release which at
least didn't break some fairly fundamental aspects of the system.

Distraught of Derby !!

On 13/10/2018 23:10, Jenny M Benson wrote:

On 13-Oct-18 10:25 PM, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:
Thank you Jenny and Brian. The problem is solved. Going via the children 
list of Family View worked.


The funny thing is, I was not aware of any problem because I had not 
updated to the latest release - and probably wouldn't have done anyway 
because I so rarely use Index View.  However, having been made aware of a 
new release and the problem, I updated my file and then proceeded to do 
the colour selection thing ... only to find it will not work for me now. 
The names all remain stubbornly black in Index View!


Any suggestions, Brian?




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Re: [LegacyUG] Different colour font for each gender in Index View

[johnbernacki1]

My worry is also escalating. I have now noticed a third problem. I have just 
added alternate surnames to individuals within a family group and swapped 
them to be the main surname. The Index does not display the new main 
surnames. It still however displays the now alternate surnames.


John

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Swann

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 9:45 AM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Different colour font for each gender in Index View

I also now seem to have lost my descendent colours as well in Family
view. Now black only, Have tried clearing relationships and rebuilding
and then resetting the 2 group colours - but nothing.

Looks like this release has more bugs in it then the bugs it was
supposed to fix !!

I am now getting seriously worried about the future of Legacy as another
bug that I reported a LONG time ago has still to be actioned - namely
that clicking on the media for a shared event brings up completely the
wrong person.

Is there an EASY way to revert back to the previous release which at
least didn't break some fairly fundamental aspects of the system.

Distraught of Derby !!

On 13/10/2018 23:10, Jenny M Benson wrote:

On 13-Oct-18 10:25 PM, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:
Thank you Jenny and Brian. The problem is solved. Going via the children 
list of Family View worked.


The funny thing is, I was not aware of any problem because I had not 
updated to the latest release - and probably wouldn't have done anyway 
because I so rarely use Index View.  However, having been made aware of a 
new release and the problem, I updated my file and then proceeded to do 
the colour selection thing ... only to find it will not work for me now. 
The names all remain stubbornly black in Index View!


Any suggestions, Brian?




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Re: [LegacyUG] Different colour font for each gender in Index View

[johnbernacki1]

The problem came back for me too after updating to the newest release- 258. 
Although gender colours still work for children in the Family View they no 
longer work in the Index or Descendant Views.
Maybe it is related to another problem I am having: I have selected 
uppercase surnames in Customise 3.3 and 3.4 yet keep get warnings about 
uppercase surnames for everyone in my database. I can stop the warning for 
each individual one at a time but cannot find a way to stop the warning for 
everyone at once. After updating to release 258, I tried again by clicking 
“apply” for Customise 3.3. It was after that I noticed that gender colours 
no longer worked in the Index or Descendant Views.


The two problems may coincidental or related.

John

-Original Message- 
From: Jenny M Benson

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 9:10 AM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Different colour font for each gender in Index View

On 13-Oct-18 10:25 PM, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:
Thank you Jenny and Brian. The problem is solved. Going via the children 
list of Family View worked.


The funny thing is, I was not aware of any problem because I had not
updated to the latest release - and probably wouldn't have done anyway
because I so rarely use Index View.  However, having been made aware of
a new release and the problem, I updated my file and then proceeded to
do the colour selection thing ... only to find it will not work for me
now.  The names all remain stubbornly black in Index View!

Any suggestions, Brian?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Different colour font for each gender in Index View

[johnbernacki1]

Thank you Jenny and Brian. The problem is solved. Going via the children 
list of Family View worked.


John

-Original Message- 
From: Brian Kelly

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:48 AM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Different colour font for each gender in Index View

This is apparently a bug that was introduced in the change to build 258.
Normally the Gender colours in the Index view should match those in the
Family View but with build 258 all names are now in black. Descendant
View is also affected.

To change the Gender colours Select the Family View, Goto Options > Set
Colours. Right click on any child to open the gender colour window.

If your Gender colours are working in Family view you have them set
correctly.

Brian Kelly

On 13-Oct-18 5:21 AM, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:
I used to have a different colour font for each gender in the Index View 
but I cannot find a way to apply it again. I have looked through Customise 
and everywhere else I could think of. Please help.


John


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[LegacyUG] Different colour font for each gender in Index View

[johnbernacki1]

I used to have a different colour font for each gender in the Index View but I 
cannot find a way to apply it again. I have looked through Customise and 
everywhere else I could think of. Please help. 



John
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Re: [LegacyUG] Is it possible to change colours in the “Vintage” colour scheme in Family View and Pedigree View?

[johnbernacki1]

Thank you Cathy, you saved me yet again. You way you explained it made me 
realize that I should click on the parts of the screen while the pink box first 
opens. I had been making the mistake of thinking that I had to change the 
background colours after selecting one of the links/options within the pink 
box. 

Cheers,

John


From: Cathy Pinner 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 2:57 PM
To: Legacy User Group ; johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Is it possible to change colours in the “Vintage” 
colour scheme in Family View and Pedigree View?

John,

Options - Change Colours gets you to the full Colour Change screen. It opens a 
pink box. When that is open you can click on all parts of the screen and choose 
different colours. Note some areas you may want to change don't have a fairly 
small area to click without bringing up the colour change options for something 
else entirely. eg the background - you may actually click on one of the hidden 
quick navigation panes next to the name boxes.

For some things you need to go to the link for other user-interface colours OR 
go straight there in Options - Customise 9.2

When you have the colours as you like, make sure you save them for future use 
with your own distinctive name. Then you can just choose your own colour scheme 
again if you have to reset your settings to Legacy defaults. I add my initials 
to any colour scheme I create to make them easy to spot in the list.
Saved colour schemes are at ...\Documents\Legacy Family 
Tree\_AppData\ColorSchemes\ folder
For extra safety backup this folder or your own colour schemes files to your 
off computer backup.

Cathy


  johnbernac...@iprimus.com.auThursday, 11 October 2018 11:20 AM
  I have been doing that. The only bit of background I was able to change are 
strips which tells the relationships, between husband, wife and their parents. 

  -Original Message- From: Gene Young 
  Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 9:45 AM 
  To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com 
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Is it possible to change colours in the “Vintage” 
colour scheme in Family View and Pedigree View? 

  Right click on the background and select change color scheme. 





  johnbernac...@iprimus.com.auThursday, 11 October 2018 6:13 AM
  I had a bug and in process of fixing it, the person from Legacy Technical 
Support told me to delete the usr file. This solved the problem but it also 
deleted all of my customised settings including background colours.

  I cannot find a way to get the Family View or Pedigree View background 
colours back to how they were. All of the available colour schemes are 
basically gradient except Vintage. I do not like gradient because I have a 
visual impairment. Vintage however seems to only have one colour scheme which 
is too bright and I cannot find a way to change its colours. I have tried 
options in the user-interface colours but nothing changes the colour of the 
background around the field boxes in Family View and Pedigree View.

  From my memory of when I set the colours many years ago, I used Vintage and 
changed the background colour, so I believe it can be done somehow.

  John


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Re: [LegacyUG] Is it possible to change colours in the “Vintage” colour scheme in Family View and Pedigree View?

[johnbernacki1]

I have been doing that. The only bit of background I was able to change are 
strips which tells the relationships, between husband, wife and their 
parents.


-Original Message- 
From: Gene Young

Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 9:45 AM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Is it possible to change colours in the “Vintage” 
colour scheme in Family View and Pedigree View?


Right click on the background and select change color scheme.

On 10/10/2018 6:13 PM, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:
I had a bug and in process of fixing it, the person from Legacy Technical 
Support told me to delete the usr file. This solved the problem but it 
also deleted all of my customised settings including background colours.


I cannot find a way to get the Family View or Pedigree View background 
colours back to how they were. All of the available colour schemes are 
basically gradient except Vintage. I do not like gradient because I have a 
visual impairment. Vintage however seems to only have one colour scheme 
which is too bright and I cannot find a way to change its colours. I have 
tried options in the user-interface colours but nothing changes the colour 
of the background around the field boxes in Family View and Pedigree View.


 From my memory of when I set the colours many years ago, I used Vintage 
and changed the background colour, so I believe it can be done somehow.


John






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[LegacyUG] Is it possible to change colours in the “Vintage” colour scheme in Family View and Pedigree View?

[johnbernacki1]

I had a bug and in process of fixing it, the person from Legacy Technical 
Support told me to delete the usr file. This solved the problem but it also 
deleted all of my customised settings including background colours.

I cannot find a way to get the Family View or Pedigree View background colours 
back to how they were. All of the available colour schemes are basically 
gradient except Vintage. I do not like gradient because I have a visual 
impairment. Vintage however seems to only have one colour scheme which is too 
bright and I cannot find a way to change its colours. I have tried options in 
the user-interface colours but nothing changes the colour of the background 
around the field boxes in Family View and Pedigree View.

>From my memory of when I set the colours many years ago, I used Vintage and 
>changed the background colour, so I believe it can be done somehow.

John
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Re: [LegacyUG] Indentation of General Notes when in Book Reports

[johnbernacki1]

Brilliant! Thank you.

John


From: Leon Chapman 
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 11:44 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Indentation of General Notes when in Book Reports

In Descendant Book Reports, Report Options, Page Layout Tab, you can adjust the 
Notes indents to what every you want.  The default is 0.5", the General 
information indent is 0.2".

Chap
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On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 6:34 PM  wrote:

  Is there a way to reduce or remove the indentation of General Notes when they 
are included in Book Reports? The indentation does not occur in Family Group 
Reports.

  John

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[LegacyUG] Indentation of General Notes when in Book Reports

[johnbernacki1]

Is there a way to reduce or remove the indentation of General Notes when they 
are included in Book Reports? The indentation does not occur in Family Group 
Reports.

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[LegacyUG] Changes to threads and subject lines in LUG

[johnbernacki1]

There will always be a grey area in regard to the point at which a response to 
a thread or topic is relevant, or should become a whole new thread but perhaps 
we can improve how we respond.



For example, “Warning about MyHeritage / OFF LIST / Personal Emails”. People 
generally do not intentionally “hijack” (one person’s word) LUG threads. We all 
make errors and have different skills, abilities, experiences and perceptions. 
Yes, we do need to keep consistent LUG practices and standards and sometimes 
people need to be given guidance- a gentle reminder, explanation or nudge in 
the right direction. Occasionally we may need to cut a person some slack.



It was not me who changed the subject from “Warning about MyHeritage” to 
“Warning about MyHeritage / OFF LIST / Personal Emails”, leaving the original 
subject line within the new subject line. This occurred when other people 
changed the topic to Norton. It appears that one person responded to another 
person off list but the reply went (probably inadvertently) to the whole LUG.

Later I posted a request, under that subject line, for help to delete 
MyHeritage from my computer. Arnold however sent a complaint to the LUG that my 
request for help had nothing to do with current topic: 



“John, Cathy, and CE,
 I would like to voice my complaint that 
this message, with the Subject line, "Re: 
[LegacyUG] FW: Warning about MyHeritage / OFF 
LIST / Personal Emails" has been hijacked and 
changed into something far different.
 Those of us interested in the original thread have been thwarted.
 "...Having difficulty deleting 
MyHeritage from my computer" was not even close 
to the existing discussion. The responders should 
have, at least, changed the subject line to something relevant.
   Arnold Sprague”


At this point “Warning about MyHeritage” was still part of the subject line. In 
addition, the complaint (by the complainant’s own standard) was a new topic but 
he did not start a new thread or even change the subject line of the existing 
thread- this was hypocrisy. My question about deleting MyHeritage was more 
related to that subject than the complainant’s new thread.

Since my original posting, it has been confirmed that it was indeed MyHeritage 
that took my money without my explicit permission. They have since refunded the 
money after I demanded it with the support of PayPal. With hindsight, it may 
have been better if I had mentioned the 100% confirmation that it was 
MyHeritage who “ripped me off” when I continued the thread by asking how to 
delete them from my computer.

MyHeritage taking my money was the last straw for me and why I wanted to delete 
all trace of them from my computer. In my mind the issues were directly 
related. In addition, there appeared to be yet another reason to warn people 
about MyHeritage- it seemed to have its tentacles everywhere making it 
difficult to delete. I previously had a variety of bad experiences with 
MyHeritage. That is why I had not renewed my subscription would never do so.





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Re: [LegacyUG] FW: Warning about MyHeritage / OFF LIST / Personal Emails

[johnbernacki1]

Hi Sherry,

I would like to respond to this matter. Before I do, I would like to clarify 
something- the subject line is now “Warning about MyHeritage / OFF LIST / 
Personal Emails”. Does this mean the current thread is off list even though 
in the “To:” field it says “Legacy User Group”? If it is off line who could 
read it? The “From:” field only shows Arnold Sprague. I want everybody who 
received this thread to be able to read my response to it. If select “Reply” 
(instead of “Reply All”) would that achieve what I want? To me it looks like 
the whole LUG has received the thread.


John

-Original Message- 
From: Sherry H

Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 11:36 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FW: Warning about MyHeritage / OFF LIST / Personal 
Emails


A lot of people are not interested in a particular subject line. If
someone changes the topic without starting a new thread without an
appropriate subject line, it's their loss. People who *may* have been
able to help them are skipping the email because of the subject line.

It is frustrating for those who are interested in the subject, only to
find out that the subject has been hijacked. So from that point on,
you need to realize that the original topic is gone. If you wish to
continue the discussion, start a new thread!

S.


On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 5:58 AM, Arnold Sprague
 wrote:

John, Cathy, and CE,
I would like to voice my complaint that this message, with the
Subject line, "Re: [LegacyUG] FW: Warning about MyHeritage / OFF LIST /
Personal Emails" has been hijacked and changed into something far 
different.

Those of us interested in the original thread have been thwarted.
"...Having difficulty deleting MyHeritage from my computer" was 
not
even close to the existing discussion. The responders should have, at 
least,

changed the subject line to something relevant.
  Arnold Sprague


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Re: [LegacyUG] FW: Warning about MyHeritage / OFF LIST / Personal Emails

[johnbernacki1]

I am having difficulty deleting MyHeritage from my computer. I found its 
folder on my C drive within another folder named “Program Files (x86)”. When 
I right-click then click delete, a pop-up message says “The action can’t be 
completed because the folder or a file in it is open in another program”. 
All my other programs were however closed. Could the problem be that Legacy 
keeps a connection to MyHeritage in order to conduct the background website 
searches on family trees? I cannot think of any other program that may be 
using MyHeritage. It was previously pinned to the taskbar but not now. Any 
help would be greatly appreciated.


My computer uses Windows 7. I have deleted MyHeritage on the “All Programs” 
list but it cannot be deleted as noted above.


John

-Original Message- 
From: Arnold Sprague

Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 12:13 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FW: Warning about MyHeritage / OFF LIST / Personal 
Emails


Ward,
As we like to say, "It's confusing."
Here is part of the overhead in your message:

--> From: "Ward Walker" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2018 15:23:11 -0400
X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3528.331
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FW: Warning about
MyHeritage / OFF LIST / Personal Emails
--> Reply-To: Legacy User Group 
Sender: "LegacyUserGroup" 

When one replies, one expects, at least
I do, that the reply will go to the person/e-mail address in the FROM line.
However, the reply will actually go to
legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com, in the REPLY-TO line.
Please note: I've added --> to make my message easier to read.
  Arnold



At 01:23 PM 6/23/2018, you wrote:
Carrie, it looks to me like you received the e-mail off list. The rest of 
us did not receive it. That’s why Arnold put “OFF LIST” in the 
subject line. Did you mean e-mail addresses? I think that the sender’s 
address has always appeared.


  Ward

From: Carrie Pillow
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 4:11 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' ; aspra...@gsb.uchicago.edu
Cc: supp...@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] FW: Warning about MyHeritage / OFF LIST / Personal 
Emails



Arnold

Ok I wasn’t really dissing Norton, but I have worked in IT for over 30 
years , teaching accounting software and databases, rebuilding systems when 
people have lost data dur to viruses.


Norton has it place and it kept vigilantly up to date can look after the 
average home computer,


but in my experience when a virus has got past it, it hasn’t the ability 
deal with it, and a much more robust package to deal with it,


I am a little concerned that personal emails are appearing on this list 
though!!! Please see Highlighted below 


Carrie

From: Arnold Sprague 
Sent: 21 June 2018 15:40
To: Carrie Pillow 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Warning about MyHeritage / OFF LIST

OFF LIST

Carrie
In the future, when you bad mouth a program, I would like for you 
to give us your creds and for you to support your statement about Norton.

I think that we deserve to know if you are giving us fake news.
Thank you,
  Arnold



At 07:44 AM 6/21/2018, you wrote:
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

boundary="_000_HE1PR03MB284397A2E04A64D677D75046CC760HE1PR03MB2843eurp_"

It can also be a virus on your own email account, using and old email on 
your system as a back door.


I would suggest running a good anti-virus (Not Norton) in safe mode,

I would also amend you paypal password – on a different machhine and NEVER 
allow you pc to remember a banking or payment passwork


You may be best taking it to be cleaned.

But this is off legacy topic, so ill leave it there

Regards

Carrie

From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf 
Of Cathy Pinner

Sent: 21 June 2018 08:54
To: Legacy User Group ; Jennie Matheson 


Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Warning about MyHeritage

John,
Contact MyHeritage direct.
There are phone numbers and I think email is
supp...@myheritage.com

Others have had refunds on complaint. MyHeritage tends to renew 
subscription without advance warning.  Their support has improved though 
seems to have some way to go.


On the other hand, as Jennie says, it may not have been MyHeritage.

Cathy

Jennie Matheson wrote:
John
Are you sure the email was definitely from MY Heritage not someone
spoofing their email. Sounds more like the later to me.
Jennie
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 5:19 PM, < johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au

mailto:johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au%20%0b%3cmailto:johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au>> 
wrote:

About an hour ago I received an update notice for MyHeritage
software. I clicked on the update to ensure that my computer was
protected with the latest patches. Very shortly afterward I
received an email confirming a subscription to My Heritage. I did
not want it. I did not see anything asking if I wanted a
subscription. It was paid via PayPal even though I had not touched
   

Re: [LegacyUG] Warning about MyHeritage

[johnbernacki1]

Before I sent the email to the LUG, I spoke to my bank and PayPal. They saw the 
transaction on their systems but did not mention anything about it being a 
possible scam. PayPal told me to send a complaint to the email address, which I 
did.

John 

From: Jennie Matheson 
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 5:40 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Warning about MyHeritage

John

Are you sure the email was definitely from MY Heritage not someone spoofing 
their email. Sounds more like the later to me.

Jennie


On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 5:19 PM,  wrote:

  About an hour ago I received an update notice for MyHeritage software. I 
clicked on the update to ensure that my computer was protected with the latest 
patches. Very shortly afterward I received an email confirming a subscription 
to My Heritage. I did not want it. I did not see anything asking if I wanted a 
subscription. It was paid via PayPal even though I had not touched my PayPal 
account. 

  I had not used a MyHeritage subscription for a very long time because I did 
not like MyHeritage. Their software was however still on my computer. I was 
short of time and am not tech savvy so I clicked on the software update to 
protect my computer from “backdoor” cyber attacks. With hindsight, it was a bit 
odd because I do not recall ever receiving software update notices from 
MyHeritage in the past.

  I am disgusted with MyHeritage and fear that they will eventually corrupt 
Millennia / Legacy. When I have time, I will try to delete MyHeritage software 
from my computer.

  Be warned!



  John


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[LegacyUG] Warning about MyHeritage

[johnbernacki1]

About an hour ago I received an update notice for MyHeritage software. I 
clicked on the update to ensure that my computer was protected with the latest 
patches. Very shortly afterward I received an email confirming a subscription 
to My Heritage. I did not want it. I did not see anything asking if I wanted a 
subscription. It was paid via PayPal even though I had not touched my PayPal 
account. 

I had not used a MyHeritage subscription for a very long time because I did not 
like MyHeritage. Their software was however still on my computer. I was short 
of time and am not tech savvy so I clicked on the software update to protect my 
computer from “backdoor” cyber attacks. With hindsight, it was a bit odd 
because I do not recall ever receiving software update notices from MyHeritage 
in the past.

I am disgusted with MyHeritage and fear that they will eventually corrupt 
Millennia / Legacy. When I have time, I will try to delete MyHeritage software 
from my computer.

Be warned!



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[LegacyUG] Auto geo-code

[johnbernacki1]

I have noticed that may of my locations have been auto geo-coded by Bing. Is 
there a way to stop this from occurring? Is there a quick way to delete all the 
geo-codes at once or do I have go through each one marked with a V, one at a 
time, to delete its geo code, then tick “do not geo code” (this option only 
appears after I delete the geo code, and only applies to the individual 
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Re: [LegacyUG] STOP THE AFN Numbers Poll

[johnbernacki1]

I do not want to ever use Facebook for anything.

John

-Original Message- 
From: JoAnne Flynn

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 12:22 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] STOP THE AFN Numbers Poll

Thanks for explaining the reasoning for so many posts. I understand now.
But I do have to wonder why people don’t join the FB group. It is great and 
loaded with so much info. 


JoAnne Flynn
703 628-2100
jflyn...@aol.com

On Feb 20, 2018, at 7:24 PM, Henk  wrote:

Agree with Michele. For starters: I don't use facebook. And I guess not 
everyone does.


Regards,
Henk.


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From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of mich...@legacyfamilytree.com

Sent: Wednesday, 21 February 2018 11:20 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] STOP THE AFN Numbers Poll

JoAnn,
The reason I put the poll on the LUG mailing list is that the Lug mailing 
list was complaining about being left out of the stuff we are posting on 
Facebook. The developers and the staff wanted to see if anyone was still 
using the AFN field for actual AFN numbers.  If I had not considered the 
people on the LUG mailing list there would have been complaints that we only 
care about what the people on the Facebook LUG have to save about it.



Michele Lewis, CG®
www.legacyfamilytree.com
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of JoAnne Flynn

Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:11 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] STOP THE AFN Numbers Poll

For heaven sake stop this Poll. I’m sick of my email filling up with 
nonsense.


On Feb 20, 2018, at 4:54 PM, Ruth Frank via LegacyUserGroup 
 wrote:


The original message to the list is in the attachment.

This action is required because of the DMARC Reject/Quarantine Policy 
imposed by some email providers. Users who want to send messages without 
conversion to attachments should use a different email address for their 
subscription.


Known providers for free email accounts whose emails do not require this 
conversion include gmail.com and hotmail.com.  Many other email providers 
will also work but you will have to give them a try.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Tagging system/s in Legacy 9

[johnbernacki1]

Thank you Cathy. This may be a silly question but I just want to check whether 
Legacy 9 has the option to show the nine tag boxes on the Family View screen, 
like in legacy 8.

From: Cathy Pinner 
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2018 10:58 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Tagging system/s in Legacy 9

John,

Tags are converted along with the rest of your database when you upgrade.

Hashtags can be thought of as an extension of tags but they're a separate 
system.

Cathy

johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:


  If I upgrade from Legacy 8 to Legacy 9, what happens to the tagging 
  systems?Is everything in the Legacy 8 nine tag system converted to the 
  new unlimited tag system, or does Legacy 9 run both systems 
  separately? Would I lose my tags from Legacy 8?

  John



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[LegacyUG] Tagging system/s in Legacy 9

[johnbernacki1]

If I upgrade from Legacy 8 to Legacy 9, what happens to the tagging systems?  
Is everything in the Legacy 8 nine tag system converted to the new unlimited 
tag system, or does Legacy 9 run both systems separately? Would I lose my tags 
from Legacy 8?

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Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test

[johnbernacki1]

LOL. There are definitely some absurd family trees out there.



John


From: CE WOOD 
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 11:26 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test

And, to top it all off, some dubious genealogies on the internet trace all of 
us back to Adam and Eve.  




Which, of course, means we all have the same ancestors. Kool-Aid anyone?






CE 






From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au 
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 4:12 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test 



Birth, marriage and death records are usually not available from thousands of 
years ago but I agree that mtDNA and Y-DNA can in some cases provide useful or 
interesting information, especially if you are very interested in tracing 
ethnicities and migrations.

For example, my mother’s ancestors were from a village at the base of Asiago 
Plateau in the mountains of northern Italy. I have very strong circumstantial 
or indirect evidence that those ancestors included people from the very top of 
the plateau who claim to be descendants of survivors of a tribe of Scandinavian 
Cimbri who invaded Italy and were almost wiped out 1,000 years ago. They 
remained quite insular for many centuries and there are still a few who speak 
the almost extinct language. My DNA supports the other evidence- it contains a 
lot of Scandinavian DNA and my mother’s mtDNA haplogroup is consistent with it 
coming from her side of my family. (I will keep trying to find the birth, death 
and marriage records that may connect me to the Cimbri. Meanwhile I enjoy 
telling relatives that everything, including DNA, points to us having ancestors 
from a “lost tribe” of Cimbri.)

MtDNA and Y-DNA can also provide “fun facts” about your ancestry from many 
thousands of years ago. The Genographic Project 2.0 provides a “Genius” matches 
with who you share DNA with. The relationships are so old that in one sense it 
is useless information but it is still fun. I have thirteen such matches from 
just my line of mtDNA another of Y-DNA. Some examples include:

Within the last 12,000 years I shared ancestors with both Queen Victoria and 
Nikola Tesla.

Between 45,000 and 65,000 years ago, I shared ancestors with Abraham Lincoln, 
Charles Darwin, Genghis Khan, King Tutankhamun and various other “geniuses”. 
Everybody would geniuses in their trees. 

It is very difficult to get your head around the complexity of DNA, and the 
more you dig, the more complex it becomes. I encourage everyone to persist in 
getting a reasonable understanding of how it may or may not assist genealogy 
research, before you spend a lot of money on it. Genealogy marketers can take 
advantage of your ignorance. 

To help guide your research, make sense of DNA and ethnicities, and “put flesh 
on the bones”, I strongly recommend researching the history of your ancestors’ 
villages and provinces- invasions, trade routes, waves of migration etc.

John

From: Ian Macaulay 
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 9:11 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test

Yes indeed Mongolians in Italy will show as Mongolian.   However  given two 
beings and their DNA the comparisons of such will give you information.  That 
information may be of value to you or may not. 
I have been lucky in that several third party groups have been fascinated 
enough to explore My DNA lines ( By My I mean our, the DNA Group that I have 
been linked to),   There is a whole branch of science attached to determining 
the variations in each bit of the DNA, SNP's  and determining the time and 
distance between them.  

Keeping in mind My poor Friend MR. Denis ( ) who has had only the one hit 
for the past 12 Years,  He has no family through DNA.  If your relatives do not 
go up for testing , you will not find them.via the DNA test.

Ian

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 4:04 PM, CE WOOD  wrote:

  Not so. DNA tests do not tell you about thousands of years ago. They match 
your DNA to what they have in their own database from others who have 
contributed. If a high percentage of Mongolians happen to now live in Italy, 
and have contributed to the database, you will be matched with Italy, not 
Mongolia. DNA misinformation is rampant and disturbing. If only reputable 
geneticists had the time and inclination to be involved with DNA testing for 
fun, we would all benefit.



  “DNA Done Right

  …how to use DNA in genealogy. 

  There are basically 2 kinds of DNA for that purpose: Y and mt. yDNA is 
transmitted by the father to his sons and only to them. mtDNA is transmitted by 
the mother to all her children, but only the daughters will transmit it to the 
next generation. 

  So what you have to prove is ONE line, not ALL lines. Or TWO lines (from 2 
tested to the common 

Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test

[johnbernacki1]

Birth, marriage and death records are usually not available from thousands of 
years ago but I agree that mtDNA and Y-DNA can in some cases provide useful or 
interesting information, especially if you are very interested in tracing 
ethnicities and migrations.

For example, my mother’s ancestors were from a village at the base of Asiago 
Plateau in the mountains of northern Italy. I have very strong circumstantial 
or indirect evidence that those ancestors included people from the very top of 
the plateau who claim to be descendants of survivors of a tribe of Scandinavian 
Cimbri who invaded Italy and were almost wiped out 1,000 years ago. They 
remained quite insular for many centuries and there are still a few who speak 
the almost extinct language. My DNA supports the other evidence- it contains a 
lot of Scandinavian DNA and my mother’s mtDNA haplogroup is consistent with it 
coming from her side of my family. (I will keep trying to find the birth, death 
and marriage records that may connect me to the Cimbri. Meanwhile I enjoy 
telling relatives that everything, including DNA, points to us having ancestors 
from a “lost tribe” of Cimbri.)

MtDNA and Y-DNA can also provide “fun facts” about your ancestry from many 
thousands of years ago. The Genographic Project 2.0 provides a “Genius” matches 
with who you share DNA with. The relationships are so old that in one sense it 
is useless information but it is still fun. I have thirteen such matches from 
just my line of mtDNA another of Y-DNA. Some examples include:

Within the last 12,000 years I shared ancestors with both Queen Victoria and 
Nikola Tesla.

Between 45,000 and 65,000 years ago, I shared ancestors with Abraham Lincoln, 
Charles Darwin, Genghis Khan, King Tutankhamun and various other “geniuses”. 
Everybody would geniuses in their trees. 

It is very difficult to get your head around the complexity of DNA, and the 
more you dig, the more complex it becomes. I encourage everyone to persist in 
getting a reasonable understanding of how it may or may not assist genealogy 
research, before you spend a lot of money on it. Genealogy marketers can take 
advantage of your ignorance. 

To help guide your research, make sense of DNA and ethnicities, and “put flesh 
on the bones”, I strongly recommend researching the history of your ancestors’ 
villages and provinces- invasions, trade routes, waves of migration etc.

John


From: Ian Macaulay 

Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 9:11 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test

Yes indeed Mongolians in Italy will show as Mongolian.   However  given two 
beings and their DNA the comparisons of such will give you information.  That 
information may be of value to you or may not. 
I have been lucky in that several third party groups have been fascinated 
enough to explore My DNA lines ( By My I mean our, the DNA Group that I have 
been linked to),   There is a whole branch of science attached to determining 
the variations in each bit of the DNA, SNP's  and determining the time and 
distance between them.  

Keeping in mind My poor Friend MR. Denis ( ) who has had only the one hit 
for the past 12 Years,  He has no family through DNA.  If your relatives do not 
go up for testing , you will not find them.via the DNA test.

Ian

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 4:04 PM, CE WOOD  wrote:

  Not so. DNA tests do not tell you about thousands of years ago. They match 
your DNA to what they have in their own database from others who have 
contributed. If a high percentage of Mongolians happen to now live in Italy, 
and have contributed to the database, you will be matched with Italy, not 
Mongolia. DNA misinformation is rampant and disturbing. If only reputable 
geneticists had the time and inclination to be involved with DNA testing for 
fun, we would all benefit.



  “DNA Done Right

  …how to use DNA in genealogy. 

  There are basically 2 kinds of DNA for that purpose: Y and mt. yDNA is 
transmitted by the father to his sons and only to them. mtDNA is transmitted by 
the mother to all her children, but only the daughters will transmit it to the 
next generation. 

  So what you have to prove is ONE line, not ALL lines. Or TWO lines (from 2 
tested to the common ancestors), one for each tested. 

  As to confirm a great-grandparent not in Y or mt line, then it would be by 
autosomal DNA. 

  At FTDNA, I found grand-parents who compared to their grand-sons. 

  Father vs son: shared 3,384 cM, 267 is the longest block. 

  In other words, we have 23 pairs of chromosomes and 1 of each of them is from 
the father. 

  For the next generation, grand-son to grand-parents, we have (rounded for 
privacy reasons) : 1300 to 2000 cM shared, or 40 to 60%. I have not found a 
ggparent, but it would be 40% of 40% to 60% of 60%, i.e. 16% to 36%. 

  So, for close relatives, we may estimate the relationship, but after 3 
generations, you are +/- 1 generation, i.e. accuracy is lost 

Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test

[johnbernacki1]

I have not researched MyHeritage DNA testing but maybe it is like Ancestry and 
only tests autosomal DNA- not mtDNA or Y-DNA. Autosomal DNA mostly helps for 
the last few generations and virtually fizzles out completely after about 5 
generations. If you want to way back e.g. thousands of years, you must have 
your mtDNA and/or Y-DNA tested. But of course companies like Ancestry do not 
mention that in their advertising. In my opinion they are deliberately 
misleading.

I had my DNA tested in Genographic Project 2.0 via National Geographic. They 
test all three types of DNA.

John


From: Ian Macaulay 
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 5:07 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test

Now that is not quite true,   My DNA proved conclusively that I am not the 
viking I believed I was and for that matter not the Scott Either. 
Turns out that we are Irish and there are at least 16 of us who were not at all 
known to each other and who are spread around the world, who submitted the DNA 
for testing.   Since then we have come close to verifying the relationships on 
paper .  

Now to be clear this was YDNA, ( male line) and it has taken years to get this 
far.  I do not know about the other companies but FTDNA has been fantastic,  

But it only takes one boat full of Asians to land in Norway and propogate and 
the gene pool is now fuzzy as all get out.  

I wear my Kilt and cowboy boots, and carry my Shillelagh with pride under my 
Horn bearing stetson.

Ian

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 12:26 AM, CE WOOD  wrote:

  The popular DNA tests match you with people who have similar DNA live NOW!



  They do NOT match you with the place from which your DNA may have originated!



  This misconception is fostered by the sites that are deluding you.





  CE 




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Cathy Pinner 
  Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 6:30 PM
  To: Legacy User Group
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test 

  The least valid part of a DNA test is the ethnicity estimate.

  Load your results to GedMatch. They have a number of different options 
  for calculating your ethnicity - but that's just for fun.

  The real results are the matches you have with other people. 
  Understanding those results takes patience as there's a learning curve. 
  I know I've barely started on that. The value is being able to see 
  significant matches to other people and thus after further research 
  being able to confirm or disprove your research with DNA.

  There are lots of webinars on understanding DNA and the various test 
  results.
  If you're going to capitalise on the investment you've made in getting 
  your DNA tested, then you should invest in learning how to use the results.

  There are various discussions on how people are using Legacy to track 
  matches including this one from Michele in the Legacy blog.
  
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.legacyfamilytree.com%2Flegacy_news%2F2017%2F08%2Fhow-i-use-hashtags-to-track-my-dna-matches.html=02%7C01%7C%7Ccbb6b2657e3646e1f84408d561403a06%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636521850827701278=Nd0T9Sq5TVBcjWVH7pwI%2B48qwXspEKQSdkyNmsXwin8%3D=0

  Cathy


  > CE WOOD 
  > Monday, 22 January 2018 10:06 AM
  >
  > You are absolutely correct. Ask any geneticist! It is incredibly 
  > complicated. If you research your family, research DNA testing!
  >
  >
  > The whole premise is flawed, to say nothing of the total lack of 
  > privacy concerning your results. Those may well affect your ability to 
  > obtain medical insurance and even employment. There is NO privacy. The 
  > results are a joke, as well documented, both here and elsewhere, BUT 
  > they may impact your whole life and those of your descendants because 
  > the false results are available the highest bidder.
  >
  >
  > By the way, I have a bridge to sell you.
  >
  >
  > CE
  >
  >
  > 
  > *From:* LegacyUserGroup  on 
  > behalf of Edward Fenn 
  > *Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2018 3:09 PM
  > *To:* 'Legacy User Group'
  > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test
  >
  > This little flurry of erroneous DNA results reinforces my view that 
  > the current obsession with DNA as a genealogy tool serves more the 
  > commercial profiting from a quite recent and important scientific 
  > discovery, than adding any certainty to our family tree.
  >
  > Edward
  >
  > *From:*LegacyUserGroup 
  > [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Ward 
  > Walker
  > *Sent:* Monday, 22 January 2018 10:19 a.m.
  > *To:* Legacy User Group
  > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test
  >
  > Agree, and you 

Re: [LegacyUG] Italicise title of source in Legacy 8.

[johnbernacki1]

Thank you Cathy.

From: Cathy Pinner 
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:06 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Italicise title of source in Legacy 8.

Hi John,

I note that there isn't an override on the Basic Sources for Bibliography as 
there is for SourceWriter sources.
Bibliography in addition to Source Citations is new with the SourceWriter and I 
suspect this has been overlooked.
I can't see this amongst the bugs or suggestions so will add it when I get a 
chance.

Cathy


  johnbernac...@iprimus.com.auTuesday, 22 August 2017 7:55 AM
  I have used the Basic Style source template for a few of my sources. The 
option to italicise the titles of the publications is selected in each case. 
However, when I preview the Bibliography, the titles are not italicised. Is 
this a bug or have I missed something?

  John






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[LegacyUG] Italicise title of source in Legacy 8.

[johnbernacki1]

I have used the Basic Style source template for a few of my sources. The option 
to italicise the titles of the publications is selected in each case. However, 
when I preview the Bibliography, the titles are not italicised. Is this a bug 
or have I missed something?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Fake news and vitriol

[johnbernacki1]

I do not think it is helpful to allege “fake news and vitriol”. What is a 
priority, concern or experience of some may not be the same for others. I think 
Millennia would like please as many customers as possible.

I did not say it was MH’s terms and conditions. Anyway, Companies change their 
terms and conditions on a regular basis. Most people do not read them first 
time, let alone when they are updated.

I am not only talking about the current situation but what may happen.

I agree these are mere “First World Problems”. Many people however have 
invested a lot of time learning to use Legacy and come to like it and trust it 
with their family history. I have only ever been interested in standalone 
software, and for me, Legacy has been the overall best.

"Intellectuals solve problems, geniuses prevent them." - Albert Einstein.

John


From: Alta Lee Futch 
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 12:43 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fake news and vitriol

All this is just a teeny tiny ripple in the waters of the world.



On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 8:58 PM, Dennis Birke  wrote:

  Thanks, Susie.  You expressed what I have been thinking over the past few 
days as a read all of the alarmist postings.   

  The world is not ending because of this corporate transaction.  We all have 
far more important things to worry about.

  On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Susie Zada  wrote:

Hi Folks,

I suggest that everyone take a big deep breath and read the facts and not
fly off at ignorant statements.

It is very sad to see some of the mis-information followed by unwarranted
attacks on both MyHeritage and LegacyFamilyTree / Millennium.  I am a very
happy user of both and yes they all have their faults but firstly you can't
blame either for incorrect data on the trees on their sites.  You should be
aiming your anger at the poor research done by some people - but hey, is
there ANYONE who hasn't made a mistake on their tree on this list?  BE
HONEST!

READ exactly how the hints and matching work - NO-ONE has stolen your data.

And I know this statement might upset a lot of people but this IS a fact - I
joined MyHeritage and have had some wonderful assistance with their various
matches and suggestions because there are so many non-Americans involved -
in other words it's not USA-centric!  And don't start arguing about that or
denying that as an issue - go back and look at how many messages comment on
the LFT location 'rules' don't fit the rest of the world.

I love Legacy and still use it.

I love My Heritage and definitely use it.  I have made more progress with
hints in recent times from My Heritage than any other research I've done.

A very happy customer of both!

Regards ... Susie Zada
Geelong, Victoria, Australia with ancestors in Australia, Germany, France,
Italy, Prussia, England and Ireland - with just a couple of family detouring
via the USA


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Re: [LegacyUG] Hand-wring about MyHeritage and and Version 9

[johnbernacki1]

To me, MH appears to have a company culture or business model of ripping-off 
customers. I think it will affect Millennia. There would have been negotiations 
going on between them during the lead up to release of Legacy 9. Was it a 
coincidence that Millennia did not allow us to run Legacy 8 and 9 at the same 
time, or was MH’s tentacles or influence already in Millennia? It seems to 
getting more like MH which is geared to channelling customers like sheep 
through a sheep-dip.  Also Millennia has already started straying from  
standalone Legacy with cloud storage of family files.

Many, if not all companies with cloud technology (e.g. social media and Google 
Docs etc.) have in their terms and conditions that they can use anything in any 
way they like. They render copyright useless for the customer. Any time in the 
future, at their whim, they can do anything and everything with your data, 
narratives or images etc.

John


From: Philip Solida 
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 9:41 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Hand-wring about MyHeritage and and Version 9

Add that to placing indo of living persons as readily available could be 
IDENTITY THEFT 

On Aug 7, 2017 7:40 PM, "Philip Solida"  wrote:

  Seeing work placed there by me or copying it is one thing giving the 
ability to others to edit it without my permission because you bought the Web 
site or program and I do not subscribe to your site is another... that is 
plain, pure theft of my intellectual property and work and holding it for 
ransom, or giving it to others who may well have no idea what they are talking 
about..  even if they do, PERMISSION OF THE OWNER OF THE WORK (one who placed 
it on a site they bought) is and should be necessary... anything else is THEFT.

  On Aug 7, 2017 5:51 PM, "wabby62--- via LegacyUserGroup" 
 wrote:

The original message to the list is in the attachment.

This action is required because of the DMARC Reject/Quarantine Policy
imposed by some email providers. Users who want to send messages
without conversion to attachments should use a different email address
for their subscription.

Known providers for free email accounts whose emails do not require
this conversion include gmail.com and hotmail.com.  Many other email
providers will also work but you will have to give them a try.

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To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Cc: 
Bcc: 
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 11:42:59 -0400
Subject: Hand-wring about MyHeritage and and Version 9
I am amazed at the amount of recent anguish and hand-wringing about 
MyHeritage and Legacy. My take is that putting your info in the cloud is to 
promote sharing. You see my tree, I see your tree. It's give an take. If you 
just want to surf the web and check everyone else's data but are unwilling to 
open your site to others, then I consider you to be greedy. I see no reason to 
make your file private. If you just want to use it as a backup, why put it up 
there in the first place.? Why not keep your data on your desktop or if you're 
so paranoid, put it on 3x5 cards in a shoe box and put it under your bed. There 
is plenty of security built in if you would try using it instead of complaining 
about it.
Same holds true on upgrading to Version 9. I used to keep my data on 
chiseled sandstone, then they invented paper and pencil, Oh Heavens, should I 
upgrade? Then they invented computer programs, with each version making 
improvements. Bite the bullet and learn to use the latest technology. 
Do you still use 5 inch floppy disks, and maybe cassette Basic?
Flame-off
Wayne Barner

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Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

[johnbernacki1]

I really like Legacy except for its lack of Unicode. I fear its demise due to 
its outdated technology. My ideal would be for Legacy to be rewritten on new 
technology and kept as it is except for addition of Unicode. That would make it 
as close as possible to perfect. I hope that is what happens, preferably sooner 
than later.

I am worried that while being rewritten with MH involvement, it will be changed 
from standalone, or some functions will only be available by subscription. 
Also, its interface may become as cluttered, ugly and cumbersome as other 
genealogy programs. 

For now, all we can do is wait and see.

John


From: Paul Gray 
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 5:00 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

John,

 

I cautiously optimistic that My Heritage will maintain Legacy as a standalone 
program, with syncing to an online tree fully optional. If you look at the 
competition who have recently introduced or upgraded online tree syncing (to 
Ancestry), both Roots Magic and Family Tree Maker still run as independent 
desktop programs. Syncing, or even having an Ancestry account, is optional. One 
would expect Legacy/My Heritage to offer the same in order to compete. While a 
substantial number of people want online trees synced to their desktop tree, 
there are many of us who still want local trees only. I really don’t think they 
will abandon us and risk us going to the competition (at least I hope so).

 

In addition, I think this at least gives us hope that Legacy will be rewritten 
on to a modern technical platform. It was clear that Millenia alone was not 
going to do the rewrite. Although I don’t have any inside knowledge, I suspect 
that the substantial investment required for the rewrite could not be recovered 
in future sales given the current customer base. With My Heritage, there are 
more resources available, and hopefully they can expand their customer base. 
They haven’t committed to a rewrite, but If Legacy 10 sells well, and a they 
have good subscription sales for the MH site, I hope Legacy 11 will be new 
technology.

 

Time will tell, and for now it’s business as usual.

 

Paul

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
Sent: August 5, 2017 9:22 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

 

I realise that Legacy is currently a stand-alone program but I cannot see how 
it can last in its current form. First, technology and users expectations 
rapidly change and increase, while it my understanding is that Legacy is built 
on outdated technology which is why it cannot handle Unicode. Secondly, I 
cannot see why MyHeritage, which does everything online would keep Legacy which 
cannot cater for all their worldwide/culturally diverse users. It simply does 
not gel.

I do not buy the reassurances given. I have been through restructures and 
merges in private and public sectors.  Reassurances about changes to practices 
or staffing never bear out. 

John

 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

[johnbernacki1]

I realise that Legacy is currently a stand-alone program but I cannot see how 
it can last in its current form. First, technology and users expectations 
rapidly change and increase, while it my understanding is that Legacy is built 
on outdated technology which is why it cannot handle Unicode. Secondly, I 
cannot see why MyHeritage, which does everything online would keep Legacy which 
cannot cater for all their worldwide/culturally diverse users. It simply does 
not gel.

I do not buy the reassurances given. I have been through restructures and 
merges in private and public sectors.  Reassurances about changes to practices 
or staffing never bear out. 

John


From: Denise Moss-Fritch 
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 12:48 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

If you sync with MyHeritage and leave the setting to public, then you tree 
would be visible.

 

If you sync with MyHeritage, but set your tree to private (as is my tree) than 
no one will be able to see your data.

 

If you do not sync your tree to MyHeritage, no tree will be uploaded.

 

All the above are the same criteria as is found on Ancestry. I know, as I have 
a private tree there too.

 

Denise

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Anne Wiltshire
Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2017 7:22 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@Legacyusers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

 

Hello all

 

Does My Heritage Privacy Policy for Legacy Family Tree (in the Help file) still 
apply or will My Heritage be able to take all my tree onto their website.

 

With thanks

 

Anne Wiltshire

Runaway Bay QLD Australia

 

From: CE WOOD 

Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:55 AM

To: Legacy User Group 

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage

 

Their TreeBuilder syncs with their website. I do not use it, so know only that.

 

Complete privacy on the website occurs ONLY if you set those options on your 
website tree. If you have more than one tree loaded on your website, you must 
set the privacy settings for each. Some people don't mind having people find 
and/or view some of their trees.

 

You can even set your tree so that it cannot be found if someone searches. You 
can do the same for any pictures or files you upload. If someone can't find 
your info by searching, they cannot view it.

 

You can limit those who can find your site to only your list of "members", and 
you can prevent "members" from changing anything on your site.

 

On far too many internet sites you find on the internet, people think a source 
is someone else's website! With very, very few exceptions, you can never trust 
anyone else's sources; you must go to their source yourself to check.

 

My research is mainly medieval. My sources are original documents (primary 
sources) or reliable secondary sources such as Complete Peerage, Domesday 
Descendants, Domesday People, Settipani's tomes, etc.., but, with new documents 
being discovered almost daily, especially in England, errors have been found in 
many of those. There are several scholarly websites devoted solely to the 
corrections in those.

 

MyHeritage is very far from perfect, but they have access to only your 
information that you allow them.

 

 

CE 

 




From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au 
Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2017 5:15 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@Legacyusers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage 

 

I tried MyHeritage with the basic subscription and don’t trust it for various 
reasons. It defaulted to automatic renewals every year and I don’t remember any 
other options. It was extremely difficult to find out how to enter an end date 
for the subscription because it was buried so deeply. From memory, I had to get 
out of their website and search on Google to find out how to do it.

I entered some relatives on their Family Tree Builder. Even though I thought I 
kept everything private, it ended up fully displayed on their website. 

You can never relax while using MyHeritage and have to constantly be on guard. 
Their technology/program seems to have “trip wires” everywhere to reset 
everything to defaults that suit them.

Like others, I found MyHeritage users never provide sources. To contact them or 
see their website, often requires paying the premium subscription.

On one occasion, I did manage to correspond with someone using MyHeritage, but 
his information was full of errors and false presumptions. He claimed to be an 
engineer!

I think MyHeritage will do everything they can to mine data from Legacy users. 
Also, Legacy users will gradually have to pay for more and more features and 
upgrades. As for cloud storage of family files- as soon as users get used to 
it, there is little doubt that costs will be attached.

Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage

[johnbernacki1]

I think that default positions should always be for maximum privacy- not the 
other way around.

Hi CE, I agree that other people’s websites are not sources but thought they 
may cite sources which could be checked by me.

I’m glad scholars are checking primary sources. I saw on a documentary how 
British kings or other royals or nobles sometimes changed official family trees 
in order to justify or make claims to the throne for themselves or their 
descendants.

I have no ancestors from what is now the UK and have found companies like 
Ancestry quite useless for me. My ancestors are mostly peasants from rural 
hamlets or villages in different obscure parts of continental Europe, although 
a German branch from the time of the HRE included some nobles etc. 



John

From: Maria Fraser 
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 11:26 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage

Hi John

I think you have hit the nail on the head with everything you have described. 

I emailed my concerns to the group on 8 July regarding My Heritage taking 
control of information that I had entered into Legacy. I am very disappointed 
that My Heritage has now taken over Legacy.  I have tried  several different 
family tree programmes over the years and had hoped that Legacy was finally the 
programme that I could continue to use without hesitation. I also thought that 
no one else could copy my information without my permission - silly me.

Maria from NZ



On 6/08/2017 12:15 PM, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:

  I tried MyHeritage with the basic subscription and don’t trust it for various 
reasons. It defaulted to automatic renewals every year and I don’t remember any 
other options. It was extremely difficult to find out how to enter an end date 
for the subscription because it was buried so deeply. From memory, I had to get 
out of their website and search on Google to find out how to do it.

  I entered some relatives on their Family Tree Builder. Even though I thought 
I kept everything private, it ended up fully displayed on their website. 

  You can never relax while using MyHeritage and have to constantly be on 
guard. Their technology/program seems to have “trip wires” everywhere to reset 
everything to defaults that suit them.

  Like others, I found MyHeritage users never provide sources. To contact them 
or see their website, often requires paying the premium subscription.

  On one occasion, I did manage to correspond with someone using MyHeritage, 
but his information was full of errors and false presumptions. He claimed to be 
an engineer!

  I think MyHeritage will do everything they can to mine data from Legacy 
users. Also, Legacy users will gradually have to pay for more and more features 
and upgrades. As for cloud storage of family files- as soon as users get used 
to it, there is little doubt that costs will be attached.

  MyHeritage seems geared to obtaining your data for free, while making you pay 
as much possible to search for any.



  John


   




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[LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage

[johnbernacki1]

I tried MyHeritage with the basic subscription and don’t trust it for various 
reasons. It defaulted to automatic renewals every year and I don’t remember any 
other options. It was extremely difficult to find out how to enter an end date 
for the subscription because it was buried so deeply. From memory, I had to get 
out of their website and search on Google to find out how to do it.

I entered some relatives on their Family Tree Builder. Even though I thought I 
kept everything private, it ended up fully displayed on their website. 

You can never relax while using MyHeritage and have to constantly be on guard. 
Their technology/program seems to have “trip wires” everywhere to reset 
everything to defaults that suit them.

Like others, I found MyHeritage users never provide sources. To contact them or 
see their website, often requires paying the premium subscription.

On one occasion, I did manage to correspond with someone using MyHeritage, but 
his information was full of errors and false presumptions. He claimed to be an 
engineer!

I think MyHeritage will do everything they can to mine data from Legacy users. 
Also, Legacy users will gradually have to pay for more and more features and 
upgrades. As for cloud storage of family files- as soon as users get used to 
it, there is little doubt that costs will be attached.

MyHeritage seems geared to obtaining your data for free, while making you pay 
as much possible to search for any.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Millennia Sale to MyHeritage

[johnbernacki1]

I do not know about computer programming but I think it would have been better 
for all if Millennia had bitten the bullet a long time ago to update its 
technology to handle Unicode etc. I imagine the longer it has been left while 
adding more “bells and whistles”, the harder it has become to rewrite Legacy on 
new technology.

Nations like US and Australia are very multicultural and increasingly so. To 
me, Unicode should be a core feature of any family history software. Meanwhile 
bells and whistles like graphs or plotting of migration or nationality are very 
inaccurate and gimmicky for people with ancestors from parts of the world where 
borders have frequently changed. The same person can have a “nationality” 
different to their ethnicity or language. They may have lived in the same 
location for their whole life but lived in several countries due to border 
changes etc. If you really want to know about your ancestors and their lives, 
you need research the history of the specific town/s they lived in. Many of the 
names will require Unicode. Even then, care must be taken because sometimes 
many different towns can have the same name. Therefore Google Maps can lead you 
astray- another reason why plotting locations can be very inaccurate or 
gimmicky. 

MyHeritage has Unicode and users from all over the world. It is hard to imagine 
why they would want Legacy unless they intend to rewrite it with Unicode or 
scrap it altogether. Since there is no intention to include Unicode in Legacy 
10, maybe the latter is their intention. But who knows- reality is often 
stranger than fiction. 

If MyHeritage rewrites or changes Legacy, I only hopes it keeps its various 
screen views- uncluttered, aesthetically pleasing, easy to follow and navigate, 
easy to explain things to people who not family historians or genealogists etc.

John


From: Chris Hill 
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2017 4:54 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Millennia Sale to MyHeritage

According to Microsoft’s support, the tools are not capable of converting an 
application automatically. So they will still have to work through it and make 
to work as required.

 

Better to start again with a new program, VB or C#.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Sherry
Sent: 04 August 2017 16:01
To: Brian Kelly 
Cc: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Millennia Sale to MyHeritage

 

They've been saying that for years! I'd think there are tools to help with the 
conversion.


S.

 

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:59 AM, Brian Kelly  wrote:

  But, as the reply to the question explained, conversion will mean a complete 
rewrite from the ground up.

  That is a big effort and unless MyHeritage is willing to invest the money to 
do that by hiring a team of programmers it will not happen.

  Brian Kelly

  On 04-Aug-17 9:54 AM, Hot.Rod.Wife wrote:

 You'd think that would be high on the list for an Israeli 
company...Sherry

 Original message 
From: Brian Kelly 
Date: 8/4/17  6:49 AM  (GMT-08:00)
To: Legacy Test , Legacy User Group 

Subject: [LegacyUG] Millennia Sale to MyHeritage

Well it looks like there will be interesting times ahead for Millennia
and the software with the merger/acquisition of Millennia by MyHeritage.

Too bad that one of the answers about Legacy 10 is that it will not
support Unicode. I guess that means that it will still be a Visual Basic
application.

I am beginning to think it will never be migrated to the .net framework
and Unicode.

Brian Kelly

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Final Build

[johnbernacki1]

I too am not upgrading to Legacy 9 because you cannot keep your Legacy 8 
version if you do.

John


From: Mary Young 
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 1:04 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Final Build

Thanks Brian. As you surmised I don't use the LDS functions, they're not 
relevant to my research. So I will stick with the 8 June update.

Regards

Mary Young


On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 1:51 AM, Cathy Pinner  wrote:

  Mary

  If update from the Legacy Home tab, you'll get Legacy 8.
  Or you can go to here to download it.
  http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00899/

  Note only the Legacy FamilySearch section was changed so if you don't use 
that, you don't need the update. I suspect you don't or you would have found it 
was broken unless it was just the LDS functions that were broken - but I think 
initially it was more than that. They're the only ones not working normally 
currently. I understand that instead of doing something internally, it is 
directing to the website.

  Cathy

  Mary Young wrote:


Brian
So does the link take me to another "final" update of Legacy 8, or 
would I inadvertently be upgrading to Legacy 9? Which I don't want to 
do, especially as I understand there is no option to run both versions 
s ide by side.


On 29 Jul 2017 10:19 p.m., "Brian Kelly" > wrote:

Although Millennia did plan that the 8 June build would be the
last update to Legacy 8.0 their plans changed when the LDS church
FamilySearch website made a change to their API that broke the
integration with FamilySearch Family Tree.

In order to maintain FamilySearch compatibility in Legacy 8 an
update was issued with fixes to the LFS module.

I understand from chatter on the Facebook page that there is still
an outstanding issue with the LDS component in LFS because the
church has not finalized changes at FamilySearch Family Tree. I
suspect once that issue is settled there will be another Legacy
8.0 update to bring LFS into compliance.

Brian Kelly

On 29-Jul-17 2:15 PM, Mary Young wrote:

Having updated Legacy 8 with the June 8 2017 "final build", I
was surprised, on opening Legacy today, to see a notification
"An UPDATE for Legacy is available. Build Date: Jun 13,
2017".  [capitals are mine]
When I click on "See What's New" there's no list of amendments
and corrections to Legacy 8.

The Page is headed Legacy 8.0 Revision History, Current
Version i 9.0.0.189 Build Date of: 13 June 2017.
bsp;8 June 2017 - Version 8.0.0.603 - Build . THE END. Final Build
of Legacy 8.0.

Now I'm totally confused. Was there a later, final final
version of Legacy 8, issued 13 June.  Or Is  9.0.0.189
actually Legacy 9. Is this an UPDATE to version 8. Or an
UPGRADE to Version 9?.  And if I click on the Install button
for June 13, 2017, would I be installing Version 9?  Which I
don't want to do.
Mary Young



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Re: [LegacyUG] Help With Citing Sources

[johnbernacki1]

I have been on the LUG email list for a number of years and the issue of how 
to cite sources or which template to use constantly comes up. I am fairly 
pedantic but when it comes to sources I agree with Geoff Rasmussen- the most 
important thing is, for readers to know what the source is and where to find 
it.


I have cited everything from engraving on a Baptismal cup, to copies of Nazi 
documents provided and translated by the International Tracing Service. It 
is impossible to have a template for everything but Legacy has many to 
choose from. I pick the closest to what is appropriate. I also try to be as 
consistent as possible. You can also add text or comments to any citation to 
ensure readers know everything necessary.


John

-Original Message- 
From: Mary Leek

Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 8:59 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help With Citing Sources

Dennis,

I don't use the Legacy SourceWriter System, just the Basic Source System so 
my examples might be formatted differently if using the SourceWriter.


There are many different methods of organizing and formatting your sources. 
If you plan on publishing, then there are formatting specifics you will want 
to follow. Otherwise, I feel a source is sufficient if there's enough source 
information there for someone else to use to track down my source. Many 
genealogists or family historians prefer to be more structured in their 
approach. Only you know how much time and effort you wish to invest.


One frequently used source for burial location is the website, Find A Grave. 
With the new interface, still in beta, they are providing an already 
formatted citation to place in the source detail when you cite information 
from a Find A Grave memorial.


Example:
https://new.findagrave.com/memorial/107684300/ralph-johnson-fowler

scroll to the bottom of the page and you will see the link for the citation, 
contents shown below.


Find A Grave, database and images (https://new.findagrave.com : accessed 13 
July 2017), memorial page for Ralph Johnson Fowler (4 Oct 1917–10 Oct 1994), 
Find A Grave Memorial no. 107684300, citing Mount Kenton Cemetery, Paducah, 
McCracken County, Kentucky, USA ; Maintained by Glenda & Ken Miller 
(contributor 47705248)


This example above might give you an idea of how to format a citation for a 
website.


I use Ancestry.com for a lot of my records research so my source is 
Ancestry.com for any records I cite which were found and viewed on that site 
and for the citation, I use the source citation information they always 
provide at the base of the record being viewed.


For information I cited for an uncle's 1940 Fed Census family entry, my 
citation would be:


Example:
Ancestry.com. 1940 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, 
UT, USA, Year: 1940; Census Place: Weaver, Franklin, Arkansas; Roll: 
T627_136; Page: 4A; Enumeration District: 24-31


If someone wanted to view the census record I'm citing, the information in 
the citation is enough for them to find it by going to a local library and 
using microfilm or whatever other source they use for viewing Federal Census 
records.


I have a book I own and frequently use, so the book is my source, with all 
the book information entered for the source, then I simply put the page 
number in the citation detail where the specific information I'm citing was 
found. If I want to be more detailed, I might also add in the citation 
detail 'pension number' or 'death date' or 'name of wife' or whatever 
information I've discovered and used from this source.


Example source:
Frances T. Ingmire, Arkansas Confederate Veterans and Widows Pension 
Applications (printed in
Signal Mountain. Tennessee, ©1985. pub, by Mountain Press, P.O. Box 400, 
37377-0400;

www.mountainpress.com). pg. xx

In my Master Source List for the source mentioned above, my Master Source 
List name is Book: Arkansas Confederate Veterans and Widows Pension 
Applications. I don't print this Master Source List Name but using Book: in 
the Master Source List allows all of my books to sort together in the list 
and makes it easier for me to quickly find a specific book source. Once I 
type in Book: the source list jumps to the books and I can quickly spot the 
book I want to cite.


You are wise to think about this before you begin. I think you can get as 
complicated or as simple as you want to make things. Try a few different 
ways of setting up a source and see how it prints and how easy the format is 
for you to use. Just decide beforehand, then be consistent.


If you want to try and find a book written about this subject, google citing 
genealogical sources or something similar and you should have a lot of 
suggestions to look through. The Mills book is quite detailed and I believe 
the Sourcewriter System in Legacy is closely based on her suggestions.


Here's a link to a helpful list on Cyndi's List that might get you started:

Re: [LegacyUG] FW: Passage Express

[johnbernacki1]

I think I sent an email to Passage Express years ago suggesting that they 
develop an ebook option for sharing family histories. I did not use Passage 
Express because I thought CDs would quickly become outdated technology. Also, I 
did not like the ability of receivers of the CDs to mess with the data.


From: SHERLOCK Genealogy 
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 7:04 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com 
Subject: [LegacyUG] FW: Passage Express

I still have and use licenced (full version) of Passage Express as well as 
Legacy add on version for Legacy  Deluxe.

Passage Express suits my needs if I wanted better I would spend the money for 
another program (if exists which sure does).

My question is WHY do people expect everything for free we have Legacy by 
Millenia which is made available as free version as well as verx reasonable 
price for Deluxe version with all the bells and whistles and has stood test of 
time and we are not charger continually for updates plus if users wish to use 
earlier  Legacy version still supported.

Compare cost of Legacy to Ancestry for example, it is sad that some people 
don’t  remember or even know how badly a certain company made mega Dollars 
charging others to be able to see/access our gamily trees that contained our 
research that we wanted to share freely with others.

 

Please stop whinging

From: Allen Prunty
Sent: Sunday, 28 May 2017 5:33 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Passage Express

 

Perhaps they will release it into the public domain.  It's a shame that when 
software companies are "done" with a product they just mothball it.  For 
someone, Passage Express was a love and passion when they designed it,  Chances 
are that it did not return enough revenue to justify its continued development. 
 In this case the greatest gift that a software company could do would be to 
release it in to the Public Domain.  If the product is something that people 
truly would use someone will step up and continue development on it, even if 
it's on a hobby basis.

Allen




From: Brian Kelly
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 11:49:19 PM EDT
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Passage Express


  When it first came out it was a third party product. My understanding though 
is that those developers no longer wanted to update the program and a deal was 
worked out where Millennia got the source code and authorization to maintain it 
so in that respect it became a Millennia product. 

  I do not know why it was discontinued but I suspect that Millennia did not 
have the programmer resources to maintain Passage Express and fix a number of 
bugs in the program. 

  Brian Kelly 






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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[johnbernacki1]

Mea culpa. My desire to help others and my frustration about lack of Unicode 
caused me to briefly forget the harsh reality that Legacy’s bottom line is 
about making money.

John


From: Sherry 
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 6:07 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

Dave,


You only mentioned AQ in passing, but I was commenting on your way of thinking 
that you stated in your first sentence.


I didn't create the rules.


Certainly other programs have been mentioned in passing, but not quite the 
promotion that the other poster gave.


And yes, Unicode has been on the "wish list" for a long time. However, the 
current programming language that the programmers are using - VB6 - doesn't 
support that. Until they can learn another programming language and port Legacy 
over to that, the program won't be able to support Unicode. Some of the most 
avid users of Legacy have found a "work-around" by using Western European fonts 
- they find the advantages to Legacy far outweigh the inability to add their 
Eastern European ancestry with the correct spelling.


Sherry


On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:25 AM, David Picken  wrote:

  Sherry has drawn a red line and is telling me that I have crossed it by 
mentioning (not promoting, please) a non-Legacy product. I’m sorry about that 
and will try to stay behind the red line in future, although my expectations on 
a user group are certainly somewhat wider than described in the guidelines.

  That post was written by me not to hype any other product, but purely to 
offer a possible solution for my fellow users who are not getting the 
performance they need from Legacy, based on my personal experience.

  At the risk of being thrown off this list (on World Press Freedom Day of all 
days), just allow me please to mention that the archive of this user group has 
been discussing Unicode and Eastern European language support since at least 
2006, with intentions of porting the software to a platform that supports 
Unicode being given as answers back then and at several times in between.


  So now we are 10 years on, support for Unicode did not happen with Legacy9, 
and I guess the move to support Unicode is still „imminent“.
  Could it be that users with a serious requirement for Cyrillic, Asian, Middle 
Eastern etc. language support have long moved on to a different product?

  Courteously, David


  Am 20170503 um 15:06 schrieb Sherry :

  This is a user's group for LEGACY and its add-on programs. This is stated in 
the second sentence of the Legacy User Group Guidelines at 
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp (the link is on the page where 
you signed up to join the group)

  The group was not created to promote other programs or for questions about 
using other programs. It was created for those "how-to" questions when you 
can't find the answers or figure out something


  The message about FTM (and your promo for AQ) should have gone off-list.


  Think about it - if you were selling Coke products, would you like someone to 
be promoting Pepsi on your website or mailing list??


  The programmers are busy programming and don't follow the lists like they 
used to. 

  In the Support section of the Legacy Home tab, you can send Support questions 
for technical support and Suggestions for new features or enhancing existing 
ones. Use that form if you wish to suggest Unicode or some other new feature.



  Sherry



  On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 1:30 AM, David Picken  wrote:

I support John’s way of thinking. This is a Users’ Group, not a promotion 
platform for Legacy. 

What we all have in common – I assume – is our desire to do best possible 
genealogical research and conserve, present, share and publish the results in 
the best possible way. Legacy is just one tool to help us do that.

If the development staff follow this group (an exercise commonly known as 
marketing), they will find many clues as to how they could optimize Legacy, and 
if anyone sends people off to look at other products without justification, 
then the Legacy folks are free to tell us why we should stay with Legacy.

As for Unicode, those who need that may want to try AncestralQuest – it 
worked for me when importing Ukrainian (Cyrillic alphabet) names and places. 
And I am not associated with AQ in any way :-)

Best, David



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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[johnbernacki1]

Bob,

I think many in the LUG, like me, use Legacy as their main program for building 
their family but also use other programs for the rare things Legacy cannot do. 
As you said, they all have limitations. At the end of the day, all programs are 
merely tools to be used how we want for our own purposes. A mechanic does not 
limit his toolbox to only one spanner or one screw driver. For my needs, Legacy 
would be as close as possible to perfect, if it had Unicode. Unfortunately, 
just before publishing anything, I need to export my family file to RootsMagic. 
It is not as versatile as Legacy and its interface / screens are hard for me to 
use due to my dyslexia.

If Legacy does everything you want, you are very lucky but please do stop other 
users from helping each other to keep using Legacy by suggesting ways around 
its limitations. Legacy itself advertises supplementary tools such as charting 
and mapping software.

John


From: bobstree2 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 4:29 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

I'm just a user but find it very rude for people to use Legacy's free forum to 
recommend or suggest using other programs.  I think you should find another 
platform to do that.   Even a dog does not drop his dirt where he eats.  

We are here because we want to learn and teach one another how to use Legacy 
more effectively.  We are committed to the program despite it's minor things 
that don't match our ideal.  But all programs have those issues. You will never 
find the perfect product.  So, if you think another program is for you,  then 
please leave the forum and broadcast your favorite program on another forum.   
Stop disrespecting Legacy and it's family of users. 





 Original message 
From: johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au 
Date: 5/3/17 2:01 AM (GMT-05:00) 
To: Legacy User Group  
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events 

Izhak,

Family Tree Maker 2017 may have what you want. It is overdue for release 
(release was delayed due to bugs). I have never used it so I do not know if it 
would suit you. Perhaps others in the Legacy User Group can tell you. My 
impression is that it is very versatile. Like you, I really like Legacy but it 
does not have a feature which is very important to me- Unicode. Unfortunately 
for me FTM does not have Unicode either. Maybe you will have better luck.

My understanding is FTM is now fully owned by mackiev.com and independent from 
ancestry.com. These links give some information about it.

https://support.mackiev.com/

https://www.ancestry.com/academy/course/family-tree-maker 

John


From: Itzhak Epstein 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:40 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

Cathy,

Yes.  I am not so proficient in Legacy nomenclature.  I fully understood why 
baptism and burial for which there may be documentation are reasonable 
surrogates for birth and death respectively.

As for my aside about "cause of death", I was surprised by the fifth default 
item in the family view screen.  Why is it so important?  BTW:  RootsMagic 
includes this item (also burial but not christening) in its default 
customizable data entry screen.

It would have been nice if upon the establishment of a new Legacy family file, 
we could be given suggested defaults and an immediate opportunity to substitute 
events.  Yes.  I already know about the issue of reports' templates.  

I mentioned my concerns to Legacy but they did not deem it a priority.

I am looking for a genealogy database program to recommend to collaborating 
relatives. The Master Genealogist, my own primary program, is not suitable.  
Legacy is my primary candidate but  I am still reluctant to recommend it.

Itzhak



At 01:14 AM 5/2/2017, you wrote:

  Itzhak,

  You are confusing the Family View screen which you can customise as you have, 
with the Individual Information screen.

  The Family View screen is just a display of your data.

  The Individual Information screen is where you enter the data.
  Note to enter Cause of Death you have to open the Notes icon and choose the 
Medical tab. It doesn't have a data entry field on the Individual Information 
screen.

  Yes it takes more clicks or keyboard shortcuts to enter Occupation, Residence 
and Immigration. 
  There can be multiple events for all of those taking them out of Events/Facts 
wouldn't be particularly helpful to most people.
  Where they are, you have a lot of control how they are used.
  People do not have that control over the "vital events" of birth, 
baptism/christening, death and buried.

  For my research the christening and buried fields are as important as the 
birth and death fields for earlier generations as they are the dates that were 
recorded. I will never know the birth or death dates of many people because 
they weren't recorded anywhere. I know that shows a Western/Christian bias. 

  So I 

Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[johnbernacki1]

Izhak,

Family Tree Maker 2017 may have what you want. It is overdue for release 
(release was delayed due to bugs). I have never used it so I do not know if it 
would suit you. Perhaps others in the Legacy User Group can tell you. My 
impression is that it is very versatile. Like you, I really like Legacy but it 
does not have a feature which is very important to me- Unicode. Unfortunately 
for me FTM does not have Unicode either. Maybe you will have better luck.

My understanding is FTM is now fully owned by mackiev.com and independent from 
ancestry.com. These links give some information about it.

https://support.mackiev.com/

https://www.ancestry.com/academy/course/family-tree-maker 

John


From: Itzhak Epstein 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:40 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

Cathy,

Yes.  I am not so proficient in Legacy nomenclature.  I fully understood why 
baptism and burial for which there may be documentation are reasonable 
surrogates for birth and death respectively.

As for my aside about "cause of death", I was surprised by the fifth default 
item in the family view screen.  Why is it so important?  BTW:  RootsMagic 
includes this item (also burial but not christening) in its default 
customizable data entry screen.

It would have been nice if upon the establishment of a new Legacy family file, 
we could be given suggested defaults and an immediate opportunity to substitute 
events.  Yes.  I already know about the issue of reports' templates.  

I mentioned my concerns to Legacy but they did not deem it a priority.

I am looking for a genealogy database program to recommend to collaborating 
relatives. The Master Genealogist, my own primary program, is not suitable.  
Legacy is my primary candidate but  I am still reluctant to recommend it.

Itzhak



At 01:14 AM 5/2/2017, you wrote:

  Itzhak,

  You are confusing the Family View screen which you can customise as you have, 
with the Individual Information screen.

  The Family View screen is just a display of your data.

  The Individual Information screen is where you enter the data.
  Note to enter Cause of Death you have to open the Notes icon and choose the 
Medical tab. It doesn't have a data entry field on the Individual Information 
screen.

  Yes it takes more clicks or keyboard shortcuts to enter Occupation, Residence 
and Immigration. 
  There can be multiple events for all of those taking them out of Events/Facts 
wouldn't be particularly helpful to most people.
  Where they are, you have a lot of control how they are used.
  People do not have that control over the "vital events" of birth, 
baptism/christening, death and buried.

  For my research the christening and buried fields are as important as the 
birth and death fields for earlier generations as they are the dates that were 
recorded. I will never know the birth or death dates of many people because 
they weren't recorded anywhere. I know that shows a Western/Christian bias. 

  So I support the option to be able to define which birth 
alternative/equivalent field is used so that people from other cultures some 
use it.

  Cathy

  Itzhak Epstein wrote:


My individual information screen is already configured to show born, 
died, residence, occupation, immigration.

Then, when I try to add a relative, I can easily baptize and bury 
her/him. If I want to indicate immigration, occupation or residence 
the event's entry screen can be found with a click and few additional 
key strokes.

People are born and they die. Some are baptized and buried, but other 
events may be more significant to the researcher or in her/his culture.

I still do not understand why cause of death was given such prominent 
billing in the individual information screen.

Itzhak


At 12:20 PM 5/1/2017, you wrote:


  On 01 May 2017 15:38, Bob Austen wrote:


Maybe I am missing your point…

You can change ‘Christened’ to another one of many choices, 
including
‘Occupation’.

By clicking on the ‘event title’ brings up a screen where you can
‘Customize Family View Information’. Then clicking on the box with 
the
three dots in it you can change the event to one of many.


  I think that what Itzhak is talking about is on the Individual's 
  Information screen, where he wants the option of replacing the Born, 
  Chr/Bap, Died and Buried dates/locations with other events that are 
  more relevant to him and his research. Can't see it happening: people are 
born, they live and die. What other Vital events can there be?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 9 questions

[johnbernacki1]

It sounds to me that the new hashtag option is more like another way of 
tagging existing events/facts, rather than adding them. Legacy only has nine 
tags but the hashtag option appears limitless, therefore no need to ever 
clear the hashtags. I presume there would be an option for creating lists of 
the various events/facts or items with hashtags.


John

-Original Message- 
From: Robert57P_gmail

Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 8:31 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy 9 questions

When/why would one use a "hashtag" instead of an "event/fact"?  Or would
some things be entered in both places? (putting something in both places
seems like it might be a bit of a pain.)

Why the name "hashtag"?  Doesn't seem very descriptive to me . . . but I
can't think of a better name at the moment.

If I currently have something in an EVENT/FACT in version 8, but it
should really be a HASHTAG - how do I move it?  (I've only downloaded
the free copy of version 9 so far and hashtags are only allowed in the
deluxe version - so I can't experiment/play with them.  Answers to the
above questions may become "obvious" once I have the deluxe version??)

I thought one of the features that was being written into "the next
version" of Legacy (a.k.a. version 9) was same sex marriages.  But, from
what I'm seeing, this still is not allowed.  And I don't see any mention
of it in the "what's new" info.  I'm sure I've seen posts saying the
programmers are working on this feature (or at least looking into it),
but it looks like it still isn't there.  Is there an ETA for this feature?

Thanks,
Bob


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Re: [LegacyUG] speaking of location names

[johnbernacki1]

I have been using several different place name entries for the same physical 
location. This is OK for me but makes it difficult to exchange information 
with other researchers, in charts or reports, because they would be confused 
by location names I use. Even Germans do not attempt to use names as they 
were during the German Holy Roman Empire. Many do not even use place names 
used by the FamilySearch location standardiser.


This is why I would like to expand the Legacy option which allows selection 
of Short Location Names, to also allow selection of other name variations. 
Before sending reports to others, I could select a more contemporary 
location name e.g. instead of using: Püttlingen, Kriechingen, Wied-Runkel, 
German HRE [1776 to 1788], I could select: Püttlingen, Saarland, Germany.


While writing my family history book, I included explanations of location 
name variations and the geopolitical implications. I use Genelines timeline 
software a lot. I research the histories of their towns, counties, provinces 
etc. and add the events to Genelines. First, it helps me to get my head 
around their histories. Second, I can include Genelines individual’s charts 
in my book to complement my narrative, to help readers understand the 
context of ancestors’ lives.


European locations can have very complex and fluid histories, especially 
during the German HRE. Even if I have few errors in how a specific time 
period relates to a specific town, or county, or province etc., my location 
names still appear to be more specific/accurate than they are any other 
family trees I have seen.


John

-Original Message- 
From: Steve Hayes

Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 3:36 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] speaking of location names

On 14 Apr 2017 at 10:35, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:

A few months ago I sent a suggestion to Legacy for the ability to add a 
number

of name variations for locations, instead of only a short version. I have
diverse ancestry from different parts of Europe where it is very common 
for

the same location to have been under various countries or empires through
history. Genealogists are supposed to use the location name as it was at 
the
time of the event. You also learn a little more about the lives of 
ancestors
if you know whether they lived under the Russian and /or Austrian Empires 
and

/or Napoleon Bonaparte´s empire etc. Geo location can distract family
historians from researching the actual borders of the time, finding
interesting information and factors causing ancestors to emigrate etc.


Yes, I try, where possible, to do that, but FamilySearch seems to want to 
use

the current name of a place, regardless of when the event took place. And it
sometimes has standardised on completely inaccurate place names, and 
suggests
"standard" names that would mean that a place would have to be in two or 
more

different places, none of them within 500 miles of where it actually is.

The German ones are particularly difficult, and, being unaware of all the
historical nuances, I usually enter things like "Woddow, Brandenburg,
Ueckermark, Prussia" even for periods when I'm not sure how accurate it is.

It does, however, mean that in Legacy, one can had 3-4 different place name
entries for the same physical location.

For example, I have

Johannesburg, Zuid-Afrikaansche Republiek (short form ZAR)
Johannesburg, Transvaal
Johannesburg, Transvaal, South Africa (short form RSA)
Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa.

and there was even a period when Gauteng was known as PWV

FamilySearch now wants to tack "United Kingdom" on to places in England,
Scotland and Wales, at the very time when the Brexit vote makes it uncertain
hoe long the UK will last, and it wants that name for periods even before 
the

United Kingdom was formed.

I'm reminded of the book which features Lewis Carroll's Cheshire cat from
"Alice in Wonderland", only it introduces itself as "the Unitary Authority 
of

Warrington Cat".

Of course one can always record a history of the changes of name and
jurisdiction in the location notes, and perhaps that is the way to go.













I admit however, it can get very complicated. I am the only family 
historian

or genealogist that I know of who is "nutty" enough to attempt using
accurate location names for the extremely complex territories of the 
German

Holy Roman Empire- I think Family Search only uses locations as they were
after the 1815 Congress of Vienna which made enormous changes to borders
throughout Europe.

You can however be rewarded with very fascinating stories e.g. I have
ancestors who lived in a culturally German district which was a tiny 
French
exclave which had been geographically located within a bigger exclave of 
the

Duchy of Lorraine. These ancestors emigrated to a corner of "Poland" which
had been taken by the Austrian Empire. They, with other German families
established their own colony/settlement. This region then fell to 

[LegacyUG] speaking of location names

[johnbernacki1]

A few months ago I sent a suggestion to Legacy for the ability to add a number 
of name variations for locations, instead of only a short version. I have 
diverse ancestry from different parts of Europe where it is very common for the 
same location to have been under various countries or empires through history. 
Genealogists are supposed to use the location name as it was at the time of the 
event. You also learn a little more about the lives of ancestors if you know 
whether they lived under the Russian and /or Austrian Empires and /or Napoleon 
Bonaparte’s empire etc. Geo location can distract family historians from 
researching the actual borders of the time, finding interesting information and 
factors causing ancestors to emigrate etc.

I admit however, it can get very complicated. I am the only family historian or 
genealogist that I know of who is “nutty” enough to attempt using accurate 
location names for the extremely complex territories of the German Holy Roman 
Empire- I think Family Search only uses locations as they were after the 1815 
Congress of Vienna which made enormous changes to borders throughout Europe. 

You can however be rewarded with very fascinating stories e.g. I have ancestors 
who lived in a culturally German district which was a tiny French exclave which 
had been geographically located within a bigger exclave of the Duchy of 
Lorraine. These ancestors emigrated to a corner of “Poland” which had been 
taken by the Austrian Empire. They, with other German families established 
their own colony/settlement. This region then fell to Napoleon, becoming part 
of the Duchy of Warsaw. It then went to the Russian Empire (“Russian Poland”). 
All this in one ancestor’s lifetime! Other branches of my family tree also have 
fascinating stories relating to locations.

Researching locations takes time so I mostly research my direct ancestors and 
sometimes their siblings, rather than spending time finding thousands of 
distant cousins which to me seems pointless and much less interesting.

John
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Re: [LegacyUG] Publishing hard copy / printed book

[johnbernacki1]

I am very grateful to everybody who shared their knowledge and experience. It 
all helped me to have better sense of the way Legacy and MS Word interact. I 
will keep all the replies for future reference. I now feel reassured that Word 
has the capacity to handle very large books with high resolution images. 
Therefore it would be safe to stick with Word and experimentation would not be 
a waste of time.

As suggested by Cathy, I watched the webinar on Word by Thomas MacEntee. I had 
seen it before but absorbed much on my second viewing. It contained a very 
valuable tip- each New Section within a document can have completely different 
or independent formatting. Each section is essentially a separate document but 
joined to others. I think that if I insert a Section Break at the top and 
bottom of each page on which I have grouped pictures, it will ensure that any 
formatting is contained and will not play havoc with endnotes etc. I hope to 
find time within the next few days to experiment with this. As Anna suggested, 
I had already planned to place grouped images (especially large ones) at the 
end of each chapter- hopefully this would also avoid any possible problems or 
confusion.

John


From: Ana 
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 11:43 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Publishing hard copy / printed book

I have been publishing books for decades, using all MS Word versions, before 
that a whole lot of typing. I have done genealogies & transcriptions of census, 
marriage bonds.



Use Google & you will find all kinds of free tips, tricks & instructions for MS 
Word 7, which has powerful indexing capabilities, great spell check, search & 
replace, easy to insert pages or objects.  YouTube has lots of tutorials,  
Microsoft.co m has oodles of help.  

Think back to high school/college & start with an outline or table of contents. 
 MS Word is just a fancy-dancy typewriter. Save often & make & work on copies 
and/or versions.  Try to get all your text finished.  Then start with your 
inserts & pictures.


For genealogies I usually make each generation a separate chapter (insert page 
break).  I create an rtf report from Legacy & then do all the editing in MS 
Word.  

In my opinion, sentences in Legacy are stilted & often redundant.   But Legacy 
produces the very best reports of any software out there.  Test drive several 
of them & then decide the one you like.   

Sorry, Legacy - but in my humble opinion, Legacy Publishing Center is 
complicated & a whole lot of unnecessary work.  


I print pictures or drawings, on photo-paper to insert into my master copy.  I 
group objects - before or after - each pertinent chapter, rather than within 
each chapter. 

However, there are so many different ways of handling pictures, objects.  Try 
out a few.  Within Word - so many options, size, placement, borders -



Before you start, you should decide how you are going to publish - a bound 
book, printed pages with holes to put in a binder or an ebook & so on.


A bound book has many limitations & restrictions, if that is the choice, work 
with your publisher before starting.


Pages for a binder - search around for deals on paper.  I would suggest at 
least a 28 pound (I like brilliant or bright white) & already punched holes.  
Pictures, maps & text, look so much better on heavy paper. 





On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:14 AM,  wrote:

  I use MS Word 2007. A number of months ago somebody in the LUG mentioned 
limitations or problems with MS Word while assembling a book, and suggested 
another word processing program (possibly an open-source one). I do not 
remember the original question put the LUG, or the alternative word processing 
program.

  My basic question is whether others have had problems preparing printed books 
in MS Word. If so, which alternative word processing program would they 
suggest? I get nervous about doing complex things on computers, so try to 
foresee and prevent problems, rather than sorting out messes later on.

  I have been gradually preparing pages in MS Word, to be later inserted where 
Place Holder pages have been set aside via the Legacy Publishing Center. In 
them, I have inserted high resolution photos, maps etc. Could large file sizes 
cause problems e.g. Does MS Word have a small clipboard or memory which does 
not handle rearranging chapters or pages with high resolution images?

  I presume that when you save a book in the Publication Center as an RTF file, 
it would be compatible with any word processing program.

  When everything is just right, I intend to save the whole book as a PDF file 
before printing.

  John


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[LegacyUG] Publishing hard copy / printed book

[johnbernacki1]

I use MS Word 2007. A number of months ago somebody in the LUG mentioned 
limitations or problems with MS Word while assembling a book, and suggested 
another word processing program (possibly an open-source one). I do not 
remember the original question put the LUG, or the alternative word processing 
program.

My basic question is whether others have had problems preparing printed books 
in MS Word. If so, which alternative word processing program would they 
suggest? I get nervous about doing complex things on computers, so try to 
foresee and prevent problems, rather than sorting out messes later on.

I have been gradually preparing pages in MS Word, to be later inserted where 
Place Holder pages have been set aside via the Legacy Publishing Center. In 
them, I have inserted high resolution photos, maps etc. Could large file sizes 
cause problems e.g. Does MS Word have a small clipboard or memory which does 
not handle rearranging chapters or pages with high resolution images?

I presume that when you save a book in the Publication Center as an RTF file, 
it would be compatible with any word processing program.

When everything is just right, I intend to save the whole book as a PDF file 
before printing.

John
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Re: [LegacyUG] Adding 23and Me DNA results to Legacy?

[johnbernacki1]

I recently had my DNA tested via the Genographic Project. They use Y-DNA, 
Mt-DNA and autosomal DNA to determine your Haplogroups and regional 
ancestry, which is what I wanted.


If you want to try to find relatives, you can, free of charge, transfer your 
results to FamilyTreeDNA, and use their program for that purpose. I did not 
take that step because it would be a waste of time.


Frankly, I am disgusted by all the companies misleading people about how 
useful or easy DNA is for finding relatives. Autosomal DNA only works for 
the few most recent generations, and that information would be much more 
easily found using traditional genealogy practices. Even if you find a 
possible relative by using DNA, you still need to use traditional geology to 
confirm it.


In Legacy there is no specified field for adding your Haplogroups and 
regional ancestry, although you could put it general notes etc.


John

-Original Message- 
From: Hotrum family

Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 4:28 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adding 23and Me DNA results to Legacy?

On 26 Nov 2016  Elizabeth Lindsay wrote:


What I should have asked is why does Legacy not include 23andMe
and GEDmatch in the list of options.


As for 23andMe... none of the autosomal testing companies are
included in Legacy's list.  I can only assume that's because the
initial list has not been updated or perhaps the programmers don't
know what use it would be because there's basically no test data to
record. -- 23andMe is the only testing company that provides basic Y
and mt haplogroup information with an autosomal test (and
unfortunately it causes many testees to believe they also need those
to match!)

GEDmatch is not a DNA testing company so should not be in the list.
There should however be a place (the test Notes?) to record an
uploaded GEDmatch kit ID when the autosomal testing company is
selected.  But currently, since the testing company cannot be
selected this doesn't apply.


What I really want to be able to do, is for anyone who I know has been
tested:
1) tick the box for one of the DNA test companies and then,
2) add the Kit Number and,
3) add the haplogroup and,
4) add what family names the test results relate to, or confirm.


So you need to create a new event such as "Autosomal-DNA test" and
use it to record the testing company, and GEDmatch kit number, etc.
I find this works better than the DNA Records area because it's
visible from the Individual's Information window without further
clicking.


If I can assign a tag or colour to these results, that would be
helpful.


Obviously you could uniquely tag these individuals for a DNA flag but
that would be a separate action on your part.

Millennia could have done so much more to make Legacy useful to
genetic genealogists but didn't, and it wasn't from lack of
suggestions by myself and other ISOGG members!  Why useless DNA
selections were incorporated when no features were using them has
never made sense to me.  Legacy 9 will apparently have a mediocre use
of them in Charting but still nothing really worthwhile.

Cheers! -- Dave N.
-
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FamilyTreeDNA & 23andMe


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[LegacyUG] pedigree charts- changing number of generations

[johnbernacki1]

Has anybody else had problems changing/selecting the number of generations to 
be printed on pedigree charts (via Reports option) ? Legacy will not allow me 
to change it one generation at a time i.e. it jumps about three generations.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Strange bug in Legacy 9

[johnbernacki1]

Is Legacy 9 coming? If so, will include Unicode or at least the same special 
character map used in MS Word?


John



-Original Message- 
From: Cathy Pinner

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 6:52 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Strange bug in Legacy 9

I was about to close Legacy 9 when I decided to change the Ribbon Style.
It changed but I got a series of Individual # was not found errors.

I tried again by going to Design Font and changing the Font size.
Again the series of errors.
Clicking OK on each one and I've ended with Error 0 as in the attached
image.

This was in the Sample File after I'd been playing with Hashtags.
A Check/Repair doesn't report any error.

Cathy






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Re: [LegacyUG] Custom font set not working in Publication Center

[johnbernacki1]

Chap and Cathy, 



Thank you both.

Cathy’s suggestion solved the font problem. 

I am also very grateful for Chap’s help and publishing information. I had a 
look at lulu.com, and it looks very good.



John


From: Cathy Pinner 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 1:09 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Custom font set not working in Publication Center

John,

Some options have to be chosen in the Publication Centre itself and not from 
the individual Reports. 

It looks to me as if Fonts is one of these as you'll find a Fonts button on the 
Options tab of the Publication Centre. This is also where you set the Margins 
for your Book.

Cathy

johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:


  Hi Chap,

  Thank you for replying. It appears there is a glitch in the system- 
  maybe since the latest version of Legacy which is what I am using.

  The steps that you mentioned are what I have been doing. At step 6, 
  when I click on Report Fonts my custom fonts are shown. When however, 
  I close the windows until I am back in Publication Center then preview 
  the chapters, they are displayed with Legacy default fonts.

  This is not a problem while out of Publication Center and previewing 
  individual reports via toolbar buttons- all custom fonts are displayed.

  To me it appears that there is “broken connection” between my custom 
  fonts file and the Publication Center.

  The book that I am preparing will be the same dimensions as yours (8 
  1/2 X 11 hardback) and probably about the same thickness. May I ask 
  whether Legacy’s default margins are suitable for printers/ publishers 
  or should the left margin be widened to allow for binding of the book etc?

  John

  *From:* Leon Chapman 
  *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2016 5:14 PM
  *To:* Legacy User Group 
  *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Custom font set not working in Publication 
  Center
  John:

  In the Publication center, you have access to and can change the fonts 
  for each chapter of the report.
  Let's say you have the 1st chapter as a Mult iple Lines of Descendant 
  Book Report and the 2nd Chapter as an Ancestor Chart for xxx.

  1. Go to Reports > Publication Center.
  2. Click / highlight Chapter 1 - Multiple Lines of Descendant Book
  3. At bottom of window, click Edit Settings for Current Chapter
  4. In this window, at bottom, click Report Options
  5. In this new window, click Format Tab at top
  6. At far right, Click Report Fonts
  This is where you change specific fonts for each area of the report. 
  Make your changes and close each window until you are back to the 
  Publication Center window. These steps set up the Multiple lines of 
  Descendant Chapters.

  For the 2nd Chapter, Ancestor Chart, follow the same steps above and 
  set the fonts displayed/printed.
  Repeat for each chapter you have in the Publication Center Reports.

  I just recently published an 8 1/2 X 11 hardback covered book that had 
  36 Chapters and was 535 pages long or about 1" thick book.

  You will need do many Previews and create a PDFs to make sure 
  everything is OK before sending to any printer.

  Good luck.

  Chap


  ___
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  chap...@gmail.com 
  -
  On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 10:45 PM, > wrote:

  I tried the Reset button but still have the same problem. I have
  been spending a great deal of time playing with settings etc. but
  nothing seems to work.

  Also, I still cannot find the “Change” button mentioned in the
  Help section- maybe it would help.

  John

  *From:* Sherry/Support 
  *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:02 PM
 bsp; *To:* Legacy User Group 
  *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Custom font set not working in
  Publication Center
  John,

  The options in Options > Customize > Master Report Fonts don't
  take effect until you click on the Reset button in the Report
  Fonts window for each report.

  That's not explained in the Help topic for Customize - Fonts. I'll
  ask the programmer to add that.


  Sincerely,
  Sherry
  Technical Support
  Legacy Family Tree
  On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 7:02 PM, > wrote:

  Ei ther I am confused or there are technical problems with Legacy.

  I saved a set of selected fonts via Customise- “Master Report
  Fonts (gbl)”. I loaded them into various reports. The custom
  fonts however only display in reports when opened via the
  relevant toolbar buttons. The custom fonts never work in the
  same reports when opened in the Publication Center- even when
  I reload them while in the Publication Center.

  Related side matter- while trying to 

Re: [LegacyUG] Custom font set not working in Publication Center

[johnbernacki1]

Hi Chap,

Thank you for replying. It appears there is a glitch in the system- maybe since 
the latest version of Legacy which is what I am using.

The steps that you mentioned are what I have been doing. At step 6, when I 
click on Report Fonts my custom fonts are shown. When however, I close the 
windows until I am back in Publication Center then preview the chapters, they 
are displayed with Legacy default fonts. 

This is not a problem while out of Publication Center and previewing individual 
reports via toolbar buttons- all custom fonts are displayed.

To me it appears that there is “broken connection” between my custom fonts file 
and the Publication Center.

The book that I am preparing will be the same dimensions as yours (8 1/2 X 11 
hardback) and probably about the same thickness. May I ask whether Legacy’s 
default margins are suitable for printers/ publishers or should the left margin 
be widened to allow for binding of the book etc?

John


From: Leon Chapman 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 5:14 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Custom font set not working in Publication Center

John:


In the Publication center, you have access to and can change the fonts for each 
chapter of the report.

Let's say you have the 1st chapter as a Multiple Lines of Descendant Book 
Report and the 2nd Chapter as an Ancestor Chart for xxx.


1. Go to Reports > Publication Center.
2. Click / highlight Chapter 1 - Multiple Lines of Descendant Book

3. At bottom of window, click Edit Settings for Current Chapter

4. In this window, at bottom, click Report Options

5. In this new window, click Format Tab at top

6. At far right, Click Report Fonts

This is where you change specific fonts for each area of the report.  Make your 
changes and close each window until you are back to the Publication Center 
window.   These steps set up the Multiple lines of Descendant Chapters.


For the 2nd Chapter, Ancestor Chart, follow the same steps above and set the 
fonts displayed/printed.

Repeat for each chapter you have in the Publication Center Reports.


I just recently published an 8 1/2 X 11 hardback covered book that had 36 
Chapters and was 535 pages long or about 1" thick book.


You will need do many Previews and create a PDFs to make sure everything is OK 
before sending to any printer.


Good luck.


Chap






___
Leon Chapman
chap...@gmail.com
-

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 10:45 PM,  wrote:

  I tried the Reset button but still have the same problem. I have been 
spending a great deal of time playing with settings etc. but nothing seems to 
work.



  Also, I still cannot find the “Change” button mentioned in the Help section- 
maybe it would help.



  John



  From: Sherry/Support 
  Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:02 PM
  To: Legacy User Group 
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Custom font set not working in Publication Center

  John,

  The options in Options > Customize > Master Report Fonts don't take effect 
until you click on the Reset button in the Report Fonts window for each report.


  That's not explained in the Help topic for Customize - Fonts.  I'll ask the 
programmer to add that.




  Sincerely, 
  Sherry 
  Technical Support 
  Legacy Family Tree 

  On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 7:02 PM,  wrote:

Either I am confused or there are technical problems with Legacy. 

I saved a set of selected fonts via Customise- “Master Report Fonts (gbl)”. 
I loaded them into various reports. The custom fonts however only display in 
reports when opened via the relevant toolbar buttons. The custom fonts never 
work in the same reports when opened in the Publication Center- even when I 
reload them while in the Publication Center.

Related side matter- while trying to solve the above problem, I noticed in 
the Help section, mention of a “Change” button but I cannot find it anywhere.



John


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[LegacyUG] Custom font set not working in Publication Center

[johnbernacki1]

Either I am confused or there are technical problems with Legacy. 

I saved a set of selected fonts via Customise- “Master Report Fonts (gbl)”. I 
loaded them into various reports. The custom fonts however only display in 
reports when opened via the relevant toolbar buttons. The custom fonts never 
work in the same reports when opened in the Publication Center- even when I 
reload them while in the Publication Center.

Related side matter- while trying to solve the above problem, I noticed in the 
Help section, mention of a “Change” button but I cannot find it anywhere.



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Re: [LegacyUG] add font to Legacy?

[johnbernacki1]

Hi Carol, 

Thank you for the tip. May I ask what kind of errors you found when saving 
Legacy as a Word document? e.g. page layout such as line spacing or problems 
with the index for names or places etc.

John


From: Carol Boswell 
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 1:30 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] add font to Legacy?

May I just add that after printing a book in Word that Word is unstable for 
large documents?  Editing something on 
one page seemed to magically cause errors on other pages, even though I kept 
the same opening and ending sentences on the pages.  It was an exercise in 
frustration to edit and re-edit with new errors appearing each time.

Others may have better software to suggest.

Carol Boswell


> From: johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
> To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
> Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 09:44:56 +1000
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] add font to Legacy?
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> Thank you- it worked.
> 
> I am very aware that Legacy does not work with Eastern European special 
> characteristics or diacritics. It is my only gripe with Legacy which appears 
> to be the best genealogy program in every other way.
> For now at least, I can use Sylfaen font with English words. When I am about 
> publish my book, I will have to save it as Word document, then painstakingly 
> search and replace all “English spellings” of the Eastern European names of 
> people and places, with the correct spellings. At least a suitable font will 
> be ready to go. Sylfaen does diacritics beautifully.
> 
> John
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Brian L. Lightfoot
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 3:28 AM
> To: 'Legacy User Group'
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] add font to Legacy?
> 
> I hit the send button too quick and meant to include a precautionary
> statement at the end. When Brian with Customer Support says Legacy does not
> support the Eastern European character sets, he means just that. Thus, if
> you force Legacy to use one such font, then there is no guarantee exactly
> what may happen on display, printed output, formatting, etc. Let the user
> beware. I was merely pointing out a way to allow the user to look at such
> fonts and test them out on their own.
> 
> Brian in CA
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
> Behalf Of Brian L. Lightfoot
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 9:24 AM
> To: 'Legacy User Group'
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] add font to Legacy?
> 
> Upon further review, the ruling on the field is reversed. The Sylfaen font
> can indeed be used with Legacy. It all depends upon the language setting
> within Windows (not everybody in the world uses English as their primary
> language).
> 
> There are one or two minor things that the user needs to have set in their
> Windows Control Panel. Within Windows 7 (not sure if Win10 is the same
> procedure but probably similar), go to Control Panel, Appearance and
> Personalization (if viewing the Category method), Fonts, and then Font
> Settings. In that window, click on the box to remove the checkmark from
> "Hide fonts based on language settings". Restart Legacy and the Sylfaen font
> appears in the drop down lists within Legacy's customization choices.
> 
> As Brian with Customer Support mentioned, this font is based on a different
> language other than English. If the user changed their language setting of
> Windows from the Control Panel to something other than English, then the
> Sylfaen font would automatically appear depending upon which language was
> chosen that supported that font.
> 
> BTW, I tried just the method of un-hiding all fonts, then selected Sylfaen
> without changing my English language settings, and then within Legacy
> selected Sylfaen and it all seems to look just fine. To me, it's merely
> another serif based font similar to Times New Roman.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> 
> Brian in CA
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
> Behalf Of Brian/Support
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 6:27 AM
> To: Legacy User Group
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] add font to Legacy?
> 
> After my last message I went looking in my Windows and discovered that
> Sylfaen font is a standard Windows font. The Sylfaen font is used for
> Cyrillic, Greek and Eastern European languages, Legacy does not support the
> Eastern European character sets though so I will have to change my answer to
> No, you cannot add the Sylfaen font to Legacy.
> 
> Brian
> Customer Support
> Millennia Corporation
> br...@legacyfamilytree.com
> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 17-May-16 11:09 PM, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:
> > Is there a way to add the "Sylfaen" font to the Legacy fonts?
> >
> > John
> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
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Re: [LegacyUG] add font to Legacy?

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Hi Brian,

Thank you- it worked.

I am very aware that Legacy does not work with Eastern European special 
characteristics or diacritics. It is my only gripe with Legacy which appears 
to be the best genealogy program in every other way.
For now at least, I can use Sylfaen font with English words. When I am about 
publish my book, I will have to save it as Word document, then painstakingly 
search and replace all “English spellings” of the Eastern European names of 
people and places, with the correct spellings. At least a suitable font will 
be ready to go. Sylfaen does diacritics beautifully.


John

-Original Message- 
From: Brian L. Lightfoot

Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 3:28 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] add font to Legacy?

I hit the send button too quick and meant to include a precautionary
statement at the end. When Brian with Customer Support says Legacy does not
support the Eastern European character sets, he means just that. Thus, if
you force Legacy to use one such font, then there is no guarantee exactly
what may happen on display, printed output, formatting, etc. Let the user
beware. I was merely pointing out a way to allow the user to look at such
fonts and test them out on their own.

Brian in CA


-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Brian L. Lightfoot
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 9:24 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] add font to Legacy?

Upon further review, the ruling on the field is reversed. The Sylfaen font
can indeed be used with Legacy. It all depends upon the language setting
within Windows (not everybody in the world uses English as their primary
language).

There are one or two minor things that the user needs to have set in their
Windows Control Panel. Within Windows 7 (not sure if Win10 is the same
procedure but probably similar), go to Control Panel, Appearance and
Personalization (if viewing the Category method), Fonts, and then Font
Settings. In that window, click on the box to remove the checkmark from
"Hide fonts based on language settings". Restart Legacy and the Sylfaen font
appears in the drop down lists within Legacy's customization choices.

As Brian with Customer Support mentioned, this font is based on a different
language other than English. If the user changed their language setting of
Windows from the Control Panel to something other than English, then the
Sylfaen font would automatically appear depending upon which language was
chosen that supported that font.

BTW, I tried just the method of un-hiding all fonts, then selected Sylfaen
without changing my English language settings, and then within Legacy
selected Sylfaen and it all seems to look just fine. To me, it's merely
another serif based font similar to Times New Roman.

Hope that helps.


Brian in CA


-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Brian/Support
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 6:27 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] add font to Legacy?

After my last message I went looking in my Windows and discovered that
Sylfaen font is a standard Windows font. The Sylfaen font is used for
Cyrillic, Greek and Eastern European languages, Legacy does not support the
Eastern European character sets though so I will have to change my answer to
No, you cannot add the Sylfaen font to Legacy.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com



On 17-May-16 11:09 PM, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:

Is there a way to add the "Sylfaen" font to the Legacy fonts?

John

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[LegacyUG] add font to Legacy?

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Is there a way to add the “Sylfaen” font to the Legacy fonts?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports in Legacy 8

[johnbernacki1]

Pictures can be inserted into Word documents where you can also annotate or 
explain them. Therefore an option for books (including printed ones) appears to 
be:

Use Legacy “Publish Centre” to organise chapters and use the “Place Holder” 
option for Word documents which are to be inserted after saving the book as an 
RTF, then as Word. The whole thing could then be saved as a PDF.

This would require more playing around but may produce a great result.

John


From: Cathy Pinner
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 11:27 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports in Legacy 8

Linda,

You can share events in Legacy so if your Battle of Cowpens event was shared, 
it would report all the people it was shared with.
But I don't think that is what you are describing.
To add the pages you refer to, you'd have to add them in an RTF version of the 
report.

You can change fonts and have different fonts for different elements BUT you 
need to either use PDF or RTF to preserve them.

A plain text file (.txt) obviously has a font but just one.

Currently in the Publishing Centre you can add Chapters of Special text but it 
is just text - no pics.

Take a look at the HELP. Search the Help Index for Publishing

The options for editing PDF files increase all the time. You used to have to 
have the full Adobe PDF. There are alternatives now.

Legacy has great reporting options but ultimately, it's a family histo ry 
database, not a fully fledged word processor.

Since Legacy 8 Deluxe is currently selling for $19.95 perhaps its worth the 
investment. OR recover your Legacy 7. You can download it again (look for a 
previous versions link on the Download page) and the sales staff at Legacy 
would give you your Customer Code to unlock the deluxe features again if you've 
lost that.  There have been some change to reports between 7 and 8 but not 
substantial ones to do with the questions you are asking.

You can have Legacy 7 and 8 installed on a computer at the same time. Legacy 7 
installs to a different place. Do not install Legacy 7 into Program files. 
Legacy 8 is installed into Program Files by default

Cathy

Linda wrote:


  Lets say I have an event - The Battle of Cowpens with a description of
  that battle and a picture - and I have more than one person that was
  in that battle.
  I would like a page in my book t hat shows that picture and the
  description of the event, and possibly tells all of the people that
  were involved in that event. I want the page titled "Battle of the
  Cowpens"
  I have several of these in my FTM book that are in the beginning of
  the book - not with any particular person. I have other "events" such
  as historic churches that many people in my tree went to and a page on
  historic events such as "The Great Fire of Chicago" that I don't need
  attached to any particular person but I need to put a picture (or two)
  and some information about the event.
  I had Legacy Deluxe 7.x a few years back. I don't have it on my
  computer now so I can't remember exactly what it did or didn't do. I
  don't want to buy 8 Deluxe until I'm sure it's what I want. It seems
  like in 7 if I used a text report I couldn't change the font, enlarge
  fonts or change text alignment. Forgive me if I remembering wrong. But
  can I do th ose things in 8?
  I downloaded 8 free but much is disabled and I haven't had time to
  examine everything that I'm curious about yet.
  I know there are workarounds (creating blank pages, making pages in
  another program) but I send this pdf book out often and I like it to
  be current with any new information and I would like to just be able
  to go to the book publishing and export to pdf and it be
  complete...I'm not even sure how I'd add pages from another program
  into a pdf that was created with Legacy :-)
  Thanks for the responses in helping me make my decision.
  -- Original Message --
  From: "Leon Chapman" >
  To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
  
  Sent: 12/10/2015 9:03:45 AM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports in Legacy 8


Linda:

I have published 4 genealogy family hard cover books of over 300
pages each. I am currently in the process of publishing another
family book. When you get ready, I can send you information about how
I published my books with all the steps.

Here are some of the answers to your questions:

>>>1. Is there anything comparable to FTM's smart stories in Legacy?

*I don't know anything about smart stories in FTM - so cannot comment*


>>>2. In the text report can I insert pictures? If not is there a
report where I can basically type a few paragraphs of information
with at least some basic formatting options (font, font size, center
or left alignment) and also add a few photos that I can size/resize
as I want.


*You can attach one picture 

Re: [LegacyUG] Vision problem with Legacy

[johnbernacki1]

Font sizes and styles can be changed via the Customise option. For most people, 
Times New Roman font is the easiest to read, especially when reading for long 
periods.

The Customise option also allows (limited) changing of background colours. I 
suffer from Irlen Syndrome form of dyslexia, where changing background 
brightness or colours (i.e. different parts of the light spectrum) can improve 
to reading ability or efficiency or reduce eye strain. Individuals vary in 
regard to which colours help them. For me, backgrounds of soft greens, blues 
and greys are best.

Regards,

John


From: Judy Wardlaw
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:31 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Vision problem with Legacy

Sherry, I believe that you may be able to help me here.

A friend of a friend sent me this email.
...
Are you aware of anyone with Vision problems using Legacy ?

If so what settings are they using ?

I have a friend who has Legacy 7 on a Notebook, but when they change to
Legacy settings to high Contrast, are unable to see a lot the content.
.
As high Contrast is a windows feature and may not affect colour in Legacy, I 
sent instructions to change colours in both Legacy 7   8. There seems to be 
more choice in 8.
Is this the way to go or are there any other suggestions, please?


Regards
Judy



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Re: [LegacyUG] Locations: towns in multiple counties?

[johnbernacki1]

The Family Search “Standard Finder” may help: 
https://familysearch.org/stdfinder/PlaceStandardLookup.jsp

John
From: Jessica Morgan
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 7:43 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations: towns in multiple counties?

I have one that straddles state lines. Springhill, Webster, Louisiana - or 
Springhill, Columbia County, Arkansas.

To make it even worse, the Springhill Cemetery there NOW is in Louisiana. The 
ORIGINAL is in Arkansas.

So when I have this issue I include in the NOTES section, a blurb about the two 
similar, but different, locations, and in parenthesis I include any postulating 
on my part; ex (probably Webster Parish, but not confirmed 2/17/15).

I also have this issue with Shiloh Cemeteries, as there are about a dozen 
within fifty miles of each other, all in different towns and varying parishes 
in Louisiana. So I just make very detailed notes.

If I have an absolute confirmation, I put that in the appropriate field, but if 
there is any doubt, I always add the other possible locations to my notes so I 
don't continue to postulate without results.

Jessica


Jessica Morgan

Sr Engineering Technologist, Black Stone Minerals

Chair, SPE GCS Petro-Tech Study Group
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On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Jay Wilpolt jaywilp...@aol.com wrote:

  Jerry,


  She is talking about cities that are in two counties.


  Like New London, Wisconsin


  do you use New London, Outagamie, Wisconsin

  or  New London, Waupaca, Wisconsin.

  It's about 50/50 land spread between the counties.


  and Appleton, Wisconsin


  could be Appleton, Calumet, Wisconsin

  or  Appleton, Outagamie, Wisconsin


  even tho' less than 4% of the city is in Calumet County (and it's the county 
seat for Outagamie. )


  which one should you use when you may have documentation but no distinction 
to which county it should be.


  Jay




  On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Jerry in Michigan bearjerca...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Anne, are you speaking about the source only or the location formatting? 
For those of us who use the four division location name (to promote proper 
sorting), I would do something like this:

Detroit, , Michigan, United States

To each his own, but I always leave the spot for the missing county between 
commas and put appropriate notes in the adjacent notes field.

Jerry Boor,
MerriamFamilyTree.org


On 02/17/2015 11:49 AM, Anne Scott wrote:

  I went to record an obituary source late last week and wanted to add the 
city name and county name of the newspaper to my source record.  
Unfortunately, the city straddles multiple counties.  After a bit of research, 
I discovered that there are many towns and cities in Colorado that straddle 
county boundaries.Â
  Â
  For my specific case, the newspaper is modern so I can look up the street 
address and record the appropriate county based on the newspaper address.
  Â
  What suggestions does this group have for handling this situation when 
all you have is a city/town name?
  Â
  Anne



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Re: [LegacyUG] Alphabet Character set

[johnbernacki1]

I have found “RootsMagic” have all the Polish characters. It enables you to
use all the special characters available in Microsoft Word in the same way
as Word does. I have recently downloaded RootsMagic to try out its other
capabilities and functions.

Special characters are a high priority for me so I am very seriously
considering changing from Legacy to RootsMagic. I simply do not understand
why you cannot bring up the full set of special characters in Legacy but you
can in Word and RootsMagic. Legacy appears to have no interest whatsoever in
addressing this.

John

-Original Message-
From: Michele/Support
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 10:42 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Alphabet Character set

Al,
Legacy only supports Western European fonts.  This does include quite a few
letters with diacritics but some of the Polish characters are not included,
like the L with the slash through it.


Michele
Technical Support
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
www.legacyfamilytree.com

From: Albert Ignatowski [mailto:alh...@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 3:18 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Alphabet Character set

Hello again,

Is it possible to select alphabet character sets other than the default
set in Legacy 8?  What I an looking for is an alphabet set that includes
some of the European characters  that have accent marks over consonants such
as n, s, and the slash mark through l as in Polish.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Al


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Re: [LegacyUG] Alphabet Character set

[johnbernacki1]

I have been requesting Eastern European special characters / diacritics for 
years but Legacy has not even added them to their “special character map”, even 
in version 8. This is extremely annoying, although I like everything else about 
Legacy. Legacy do not even indicate they doing anything to address this 
problem- no estimated time frame- nothing.

I want to publish my family history. For years of been keeping a list of 
incorrectly spelled names of people and places so one day I can save my work  
as a Word document and  do all the “find and replace” actions needed. My list 
is however growing out of hand. It’s ridiculous and I’m fed up. Even then, that 
might work if wanted to limit my family to selected bits and pieces for 
publication in a book, but I could not simply use Legacy to publish everything 
on a website.

It has been a number of years since I have compared genealogy software 
programs. I think I will revisit this issue and if there is a software program 
that compares favourably with Legacy while including diacritics, I will change 
to it.

It is gradually becoming easier to trace ancestors in counties like Poland and 
Eastern Europeans are becoming more interested in genealogy. Countries like the 
US, UK and Australia have a very multicultural heritage which I feel has been 
disrespected by Legacy. Unless Legacy caters for various ethnicities or 
nationalities, it is purely a matter of time before more progressive software 
is developed by others and takes market share away from Legacy.

Why does Legacy not even include Eastern European diacritics in their Special 
Characters Map and allow people like me to do a “search and replace” within 
Legacy? I could live with that.

John


From: CE WOOD

Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 9:44 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Alphabet Character set

But at least they could be on the character strip, and, when you could enter 
them using keystrokes. As it is now, even using the correct keystrokes, Legacy 
will not enter them.


CE


 From: emjay...@gmail.com
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Alphabet Character set
 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 00:06:51 +0200

 On 2015/01/31 10:17 PM, Albert Ignatowski wrote:

  Is it possible to select alphabet character sets other than the default set
  in Legacy 8? What I an looking for is an alphabet set that includes some of 
  the
  European characters that have accent marks over consonants such as n, s,
  and the slash mark through l as in Polish.

 Adding to what Sherry said, even if Legacy ever got rewritten, you would still
 need a Polish version of Windows to be able to comfortably enter and view 
 these
 Polish characters.

 --
 Regards,
 Mike Fry (Jhb)


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Re: [LegacyUG] Scandinavian locations...

[johnbernacki1]

I have not found any Scandinavian ancestors of my own but some ancestors have 
changed names for various reasons e.g. after immigrating. I think the most 
important thing is to decide on a system and then be consistent. My way is to 
use their name at birth as their main name in my database (even if it was only 
used for a relatively short period of time). Other names are added as alias / 
a.k.a. I also add an “event” for every known change of residence/ location and  
I use notes to add any other information or explanations.

John

From: W. Bruce Matson
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:22 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Scandinavian locations...

and speaking of proper sequencing of locations, anyone there with Finnish 
lineage? As you may know
it wasn't until about 1923 that the government of Finland made it mandatory to 
have only one surname.
Up until then every time a person moved from farm to farm (and this sometimes 
was frequent) the new
farm name was taken as a surname. This, alone, could present a problem. What 
surname to use? I use the last name known,
although sometimes I might enter it like this: Tarvainen/Pajunen/Matson. Then, 
regarding the towns or villages
they might have lived in, I'll use the last village known and enter the other 
towns/villages in the Notes.
   How do others of you with Finnish and maybe Swedish naming systems handle 
this?

Bruce



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Re: [LegacyUG] Ethnicity

[johnbernacki1]

Knowing the country of origin or nationality is a step toward finding an 
ancestor’s culture or ethnicity, but even recording an accurate name of the 
nation may immediately say a little more about an ancestor.

For example, Italy was not a nation-state until 1861. If an ancestor lived 
before then and you record their birth or other events as occurring in “Italy”, 
it is less accurate or genealogically “proper”, and it says less about the 
ancestor than it might. If however, you know the ancestor lived in the Republic 
of Venice and record that as the country/location, it is more interesting and 
immediately provides a little more “flesh on the bones” - period of history, 
culture and probable ethnicity. Different parts of what is now Italy have 
varying cultures, ethnic roots and histories, and the differences are 
especially different between the north and south.

 The Origins Report however does not recognise locations I use. I am not sure 
why and I have not bothered trying to find out. Perhaps it only recognises 
places like “Italy” rather than “Republic of”.

John

From: M Sandvig
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:57 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ethnicity

I changed 'christening' to 'Tribe'.

On Oct 12, 2014 2:07 PM, fersken fers...@verizon.net wrote:

  Since the emergence of the Origin’s Report, I have been considering the 
difference between place of birth and ethnicity.  I have Montaukett Indian 
ancestry in my background but on the Origin’s report, the only thing they 
represent is U.S.  The Montaukett or Montauk people are a Native American tribe 
of Algonquian-speaking people from the eastern end of Long Island, New York.   
I have in my direct ancestry a chief of the Montaukett named Wyandanch.  In the 
the second half of the 1650s, Wyandanch had acquired enough power and influence 
to be considered the main alliance chief on a Long Island by the colonists.  
My Origin’s Report  shows United States and I began to wonder if Legacy 8.0 had 
any way of showing ethnicity?  I could find nothing on the subject.  In this 
21st century in the United States, there are many who are of mixed ethnicities. 
 While I understand the problematic concept of setting up a column to show 
ethnicity and the possibility of offending some people, I wonder if there isn’t 
some way to include race if the researcher wanted to.   The census officially 
recognizes six ethnic and racial categories: White American, Native American 
and Alaska Native, Asian American, African American, Native Hawaiian and Other 
Pacific Islander, and people of two or more races; a race called Some other 
race is also used in the census and other surveys, but is not official.  The 
United States Census Bureau also classifies Americans as Hispanic or Latino 
and Not Hispanic or Latino, which identifies Hispanic and Latino Americans as 
a racially diverse ethnicity that composes the largest minority group in the 
nation.  Apparently, this concept of including ethnicity rather that place of 
origin is too “touchy” for any genealogical software company to touch.  My 
question, therefore, is this:  Is there any way I can indicate (other than in 
the notes) that some of  my direct ancestors are Native American and not mix 
them together as United States?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Ethnicity

[johnbernacki1]

I have similar problems for my ancestors who are from different parts of
Europe. The Origins Report is pretty useless for anyone serious about
showing their ethnic or cultural origins.  A big part of this complex
problem is that borders and names of many European countries have changed
enormously throughout history. According to proper genealogical practice, I
record names of locations as they were at the time of the event. For my
ancestors the Origins Report states “No recognisable countries were found
for this report”. I imagine the same would happen if you recorded locations
according to how Native American nations or tribes named them or had
boundaries/borders.

The only way I can think of for a much more accurate and meaningful Origins
Report is to make it more interactive for genealogists and include fields
that can be added or customised so the Origins Report can be tailored to how
the users would like it.

John Bernacki

-Original Message-
From: Wendy Howard
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:59 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ethnicity

You could use an Event to record this detail.

Depending on your personal preferences, you could create one event to
record all ethnicities, or a series of events which are each dedicated
to a particular one of your interest. I think I would use one event, and
put the defining term in the Description field. One person could have
more than one event of this type.

You can choose to display a selected event amongst the five fields
displayed in Family View, if it's something you want up front and
visible. Right-click on the field names to bring up the Customise Family
View Information window and make your choices.

Hope this helps.  :-)

Wendy


fersken said the following on 13/10/2014 09:05:
 Since the emergence of the Origin’s Report, I have been considering
 the difference between place of birth and ethnicity.  I have
 Montaukett Indian ancestry in my background but on the Origin’s
 report, the only thing they represent is U.S.
 The*Montaukett*or*Montauk people*are aNative American
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_Statestribe
 ofAlgonquian
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algonquian_languages-speaking people
 from the eastern end ofLong Island
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Island,New York
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York.   I have in my direct
 ancestry a chief of the Montaukett named Wyandanch.  In the the second
 half of the 1650s, Wyandanch had acquired enough power and influence
 to be considered the main alliance chief on a Long Island by the
 colonists.  My Origin’s Report  shows United States and I began to
 wonder if Legacy 8.0 had any way of showing ethnicity?  I could find
 nothing on the subject.  In this 21st century in the United States,
 there are many who are of mixed ethnicities.  While I understand the
 problematic concept of setting up a column to show ethnicity and the
 possibility of offending some people, I wonder if there isn’t some way
 to include race*if the researcher wanted to*. The census
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States_Censusofficially
 recognizes six ethnic and racial categories: White American, Native
 American and Alaska Native, Asian American, African American, Native
 Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, and people of two or more races;
 a race called Some other race is also used in the census and other
 surveys, but is not official. The United States Census Bureau also
 classifies Americans as Hispanic or Latino and Not Hispanic or
 Latino, which identifiesHispanic and Latino Americans
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_and_Latino_Americansas a
 racially diverse/ethnicity/
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States_Censusthat
 composes the largest minority group in the nation.  Apparently, this
 concept of including ethnicity rather that place of origin is too
 “touchy” for any genealogical software company to touch.  My 
 question,
 therefore, is this: Is there any way I can indicate (other than in the
 notes) that some of  my direct ancestors are Native American and not
 mix them together as United States?



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Re: [LegacyUG] Prepositions for locations- Family View and Family Group Records ?

[johnbernacki1]

Wow, thank you Paula! I have rediscovered the Address field! I had completely 
forgotten about it as I only ever used it a few times, a number of years ago, 
but did not find it useful for my purposes. I did not even realise Address 
could be displayed in book reports or Family Group Records. As you suggested, I 
played around with it and think I can use it to meet my needs- to comment on 
locations, rather than adding locations in the Address field.  It does not 
display in the Family View but I think I can live with that.

I use another database for addresses of living cousins, and it is very rare to 
get an address of ancestors from hamlets or villages in Europe. Occasionally I 
get something like “house 18”. Therefore the Address field is freely available 
for other uses.

I agree with Paula- software such as Legacy is to be used however one wants or 
needs. Legacy is very flexible but all programs have limitations so users may 
need to “think outside the box”.

John


From: Paula Ryburn
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 5:24 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Prepositions for locations- Family View and Family 
Group Records ?

I know there are those on this list who will shoot down this idea quickly and 
vehemently, but...
Have you thought of using the Address field?
I used to do this to indicate probably or add on the farm... that was 
awhile ago, so my memory is fuzzy.
I have seen many, many threads here discussing the use of locations and 
addresses so I won't go into details (you can search the archives)  don't 
need to hear both sides again. ;)

I'm not sure it would work for John's Poland/Russia examples, but maybe for 
Ron's Salt Lake City examples?  Especially if there is a known city used in 
most cases  you just have a few cases of near to indicate...?
You would need to try it on a field or two  run some reports to see if you 
like the format.

This approach would probably not work for someone who uses the Address table 
for addresses. ;)  ...or maybe it would?
Legacy is flexible; I'm just offering up another table/place to be flexible.
--Paula




From: johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Prepositions for locations- Family View and Family 
Group Records ?


Hi Ron,
I have been doing something similar to you but I am trying to minimise the 
number variations of the same location in the Master Location List e.g.
Sitaniec, Zamość, Crown Province of Galicia, Habsburg Empire
Sitaniec, Zamość, Lublin, Duchy of Warsaw
Sitaniec, Zamość, Lublin, Kingdom of Poland ('Russian Poland')
Sitaniec, Zamość, Lublin, Republic of Poland
of Sitaniec, Zamość, Lublin, Kingdom of Poland ('Russian Poland')
of Sitaniec, Zamość, Lublin, Republic of Poland
I am trying to make my family history story very readable and presented 
elegantly without sacrificing accuracy or details, so I am conscious that my 
Location Index may be confusing for readers, especially with modifiers.
I think what I would need is another field, where you add Individuals’ 
Information to the Family View (and Family Group Reports). This could be an 
optional drop down field (probably placed below “Christened”) and where you 
could add your own element e.g. “Earliest Known Residence” or whatever 
individual Legacy users may want. I realize such information could be added as 
an Event or in notes, but it would much more convenient for me while 
researching, or for readers of my family history,  to immediately see accurate 
details about each person without having to dig for it.
John

From: Ron Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:33 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Prepositions for locations- Family View and Family 
Group Records ?

John,
If you add the modifiers to the Master Location List and link your individual 
records to those modified locations, they should show in the reports and 
elsewhere.  Look at the examples I gave of Salt Lake City.  Those are actual 
entries in my Master Locations List.
Ron Taylor



On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 4:30 AM, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au 
johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:




It seems that adding prepositions or modifiers at the end of locations and 
adding them as new entries to the Master Location List is the best I can do for 
my database purposes, at least for now. I eventually want to include a number 
of Family Group Records as ‘Family Story’ chapters in a book. I will have to 
convert them to a word document, and then add the prepositions or modifiers 
before publishing it.

From: Ron Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 12:22 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Prepositions for locations- Family View and Family 
Group Records ?

There is a field in the tblLR (Master Locations Table) called Preposition which 

Re: [LegacyUG] Prepositions for locations- Family View and Family Group Records ?

[johnbernacki1]

It seems that adding prepositions or modifiers at the end of locations and 
adding them as new entries to the Master Location List is the best I can do for 
my database purposes, at least for now. I eventually want to include a number 
of Family Group Records as ‘Family Story’ chapters in a book. I will have to 
convert them to a word document, and then add the prepositions or modifiers 
before publishing it.


From: Ron Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 12:22 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Prepositions for locations- Family View and Family 
Group Records ?

There is a field in the tblLR (Master Locations Table) called Preposition which 
can be set and used in reports as you described.  There is also a file 
C:\...Documents\Legacy Family Tree\_AppData\Misc\Preposition_English.lst which 
is used by the Master Locations List to sort locations.  It does it by removing 
the words in that file from the location, putting it on the end of the location 
name, then sorting the list so that all locations that are the same will 
display next to each other and the preposition tacked onto the end.  That is 
helpful.  Some of the entries in that list are not actually prepositions.  In 
fact,  some of the entries are multiple words.  I think a better term for them 
would be location modifiers instead of prepositions.


What would be great but would require some extensive re-writing would be to 
have an actual database table of location modifiers.  That table could come 
into play as a pull down list (similar to Child Status, Event Type, Surname 
List, etc.) where you can select the location modifier to be applied to a 
specific location field.  That would mean that a location modifier key field be 
inserted into every table where a link to the tblLR is used.  The preposition 
field that is in tblLR would only be used for reports when the location 
modifier is blank.  The main effect that a location modifier table would have 
is eliminating multiple instances of the same location name as the current 
method allows.  Here is an example of a location in the current Master Location 
List that has multiple entries because of prepositions:


Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah
Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, from
Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, near
Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, of
Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, of
Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, probably
Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah


The above display is achieved by checking the two boxes at the bottom of Sort 
Location List called Remove common prepositions from locations and Remove 
leading bracket from bracketed locations and then executing the sort.

Notice that the words found in the text file Preposition_English.lst were 
re-positioned to the end of the location before the sort.  Likewise, the 
bracketed locations had the leading bracket removed before the sort but the 
trailing bracket was retained so it would display.  In either case, you can 
click Edit to see the actual long or short location with the preposition 
words where they really are stored in the field.

Also, note that I added probably to the Preposition_English.lst file (as well 
as a few other words) so that it would treated like other prepositions.

If there was only one instance of Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah in the Master 
Locations Table, as well as all other locations, then it would be much easier 
to manage and maintain.  The only thing that would be needed then is a time 
sensitive lookup for location.  Or even better, a conversion of any current 
location to its time sensitive name.
Ron Taylor





On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 1:32 AM, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au 
johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:




Sometimes I know where ancestors lived but uncertain if they were born in that 
place. There is an option which allows you to change the location preposition 
from ‘in’ to something else but it only works for the book reports from the 
publishing centre. I could mention in the narrative that a person’s place of 
birth is not certain, but I would like to request suggestions from other Legacy 
users for a way use a preposition or some other way to easily show that a 
person was from or lived in a location, which was not necessarily their place 
of birth. I would like this for the Family View and Family Group Records.
Do others find this a problem or am I too neurotic about accuracy or details?
John


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Re: [LegacyUG] Prepositions for locations- Family View and Family Group Records ?

[johnbernacki1]

Hi Ron,

I have been doing something similar to you but I am trying to minimise the 
number variations of the same location in the Master Location List e.g.

Sitaniec, Zamość, Crown Province of Galicia, Habsburg Empire

Sitaniec, Zamość, Lublin, Duchy of Warsaw

Sitaniec, Zamość, Lublin, Kingdom of Poland ('Russian Poland')

Sitaniec, Zamość, Lublin, Republic of Poland

of Sitaniec, Zamość, Lublin, Kingdom of Poland ('Russian Poland')

of Sitaniec, Zamość, Lublin, Republic of Poland

I am trying to make my family history story very readable and presented 
elegantly without sacrificing accuracy or details, so I am conscious that my 
Location Index may be confusing for readers, especially with modifiers.

I think what I would need is another field, where you add Individuals’ 
Information to the Family View (and Family Group Reports). This could be an 
optional drop down field (probably placed below “Christened”) and where you 
could add your own element e.g. “Earliest Known Residence” or whatever 
individual Legacy users may want. I realize such information could be added as 
an Event or in notes, but it would much more convenient for me while 
researching, or for readers of my family history,  to immediately see accurate 
details about each person without having to dig for it.

John


From: Ron Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:33 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Prepositions for locations- Family View and Family 
Group Records ?

John,
If you add the modifiers to the Master Location List and link your individual 
records to those modified locations, they should show in the reports and 
elsewhere.  Look at the examples I gave of Salt Lake City.  Those are actual 
entries in my Master Locations List.
Ron Taylor



On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 4:30 AM, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au 
johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:




It seems that adding prepositions or modifiers at the end of locations and 
adding them as new entries to the Master Location List is the best I can do for 
my database purposes, at least for now. I eventually want to include a number 
of Family Group Records as ‘Family Story’ chapters in a book. I will have to 
convert them to a word document, and then add the prepositions or modifiers 
before publishing it.

From: Ron Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 12:22 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Prepositions for locations- Family View and Family 
Group Records ?

There is a field in the tblLR (Master Locations Table) called Preposition which 
can be set and used in reports as you described.  There is also a file 
C:\...Documents\Legacy Family Tree\_AppData\Misc\Preposition_English.lst which 
is used by the Master Locations List to sort locations.  It does it by removing 
the words in that file from the location, putting it on the end of the location 
name, then sorting the list so that all locations that are the same will 
display next to each other and the preposition tacked onto the end.  That is 
helpful.  Some of the entries in that list are not actually prepositions.  In 
fact,  some of the entries are multiple words.  I think a better term for them 
would be location modifiers instead of prepositions.


What would be great but would require some extensive re-writing would be to 
have an actual database table of location modifiers.  That table could come 
into play as a pull down list (similar to Child Status, Event Type, Surname 
List, etc.) where you can select the location modifier to be applied to a 
specific location field.  That would mean that a location modifier key field be 
inserted into every table where a link to the tblLR is used.  The preposition 
field that is in tblLR would only be used for reports when the location 
modifier is blank.  The main effect that a location modifier table would have 
is eliminating multiple instances of the same location name as the current 
method allows.  Here is an example of a location in the current Master Location 
List that has multiple entries because of prepositions:


Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah
Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, from
Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, near
Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, of
Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, of
Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, probably
Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah


The above display is achieved by checking the two boxes at the bottom of Sort 
Location List called Remove common prepositions from locations and Remove 
leading bracket from bracketed locations and then executing the sort.

Notice that the words found in the text file Preposition_English.lst were 
re-positioned to the end of the location before the sort.  Likewise, the 
bracketed locations had the leading bracket removed before the sort but the 
trailing bracket was retained so it would display.  In either case, you can 
click Edit to see the actual long or short location with the preposition 
words where they really are stored in the field.

Also, note 

[LegacyUG] Prepositions for locations- Family View and Family Group Records ?

[johnbernacki1]

Sometimes I know where ancestors lived but uncertain if they were born in that 
place. There is an option which allows you to change the location preposition 
from ‘in’ to something else but it only works for the book reports from the 
publishing centre. I could mention in the narrative that a person’s place of 
birth is not certain, but I would like to request suggestions from other Legacy 
users for a way use a preposition or some other way to easily show that a 
person was from or lived in a location, which was not necessarily their place 
of birth. I would like this for the Family View and Family Group Records.

Do others find this a problem or am I too neurotic about accuracy or details?

John



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[LegacyUG] gender colors for Index View in Legacy 8

[johnbernacki1]

I have just upgraded to Legacy 8, and cannot find a way to have a color for 
each gender in the Index View. (In Legacy 7, male names were in blue and 
females in red). Is this an option for Legacy 8?

John


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Re: [LegacyUG] gender colors for Index View in Legacy 8

[johnbernacki1]

Thank you!

From: Michele/Support
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 10:38 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] gender colors for Index View in Legacy 8

John,

Go to Options  Change Colors.  Now click any child in the Children’s List.  
This popup box is where you set your gender colors.



Michele

Technical Support

mich...@legacyfamilytree.com

www.LegacyFamilyTree.com



From: johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au [mailto:johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au]
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 8:16 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] gender colors for Index View in Legacy 8



I have just upgraded to Legacy 8, and cannot find a way to have a color for 
each gender in the Index View. (In Legacy 7, male names were in blue and 
females in red). Is this an option for Legacy 8?



John



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Re: [LegacyUG] Special characters

[johnbernacki1]

I have been requesting more (Polish) special characters for a number of years 
and was very surprised and disappointed that they apparently are not added to 
Legacy 8. Legacy say that it would require major changes in their technology. I 
do not understand computer technology but since there are already some special 
characters in their special characters map, I do not understand why adding more 
to the map would be so difficult.

Legacy software is from America, an extremely multicultural nation where many 
have ancestors from Eastern Europe.

Accuracy is vital in genealogy, so to publish my family tree, I would have to 
save it as a word document, do a lot of search and replace, then publish it as 
a book.

I very much like Legacy in other ways.

John


From: Gene Wheeler
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 9:54 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Special characters

Yes, but the needed characters are not there.  I wonder if there is a way to 
expand or change the list from which the ribbon characters are chosen in Legacy.

Gene



On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Ron Taylor doit4...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Have you tried the ribbon for special characters as you enter data?



  On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 5:18 PM, Steve Pick st...@trycom.com wrote:




  Copy it into wordpad and then just change the font size to want you want. 
Then copy into Legacy. I haven't tried it but I assume that works.




  On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Gene Wheeler bridge...@gmail.com wrote:

I have a lot of Czech names and locations that require the use of special 
characters, many of which are not available to choose for use within Legacy 
v.8.  When I try to use these characters from the Windows Character Map, they 
display in a larger font than used in the various name, location, and notes 
fields in v.8.  Is that a way to get around this?  Thanks!

Gene


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