[Vo]:Saga of the Rossi Cheer Leading squad
Once again I have temporarily rejoined Vortex while I wait for my primary PC to be fixed at the repair shop. Something Jed recently stated, I think, bears repeating: > It is possible Rossi is a genius, an inventor, a fraud and a con man > -- all at the same time. That is how I would describe Thomas Edison > and Steve Jobs. In Rossi's case, I cannot tell whether he has > actually invented anything real. It would seem much of the current Vortex Rossi cheer leading squad is all up in arms, and as such, tend to ignore the ramifications of the above commentary from Jed. It would seem many Rossi supporters have concluded that Jed believes Rossi is nothing but a fraud. Well... yes, Jed has clearly an repeatedly opined that Rossi has done fraudulent things. But if Rossi supporters would try to read a little more closely some of Jed's commentary, some might eventually come away with the realization that Jed has been attempting to reveal a much more complicated picture of Rossi's behavior rather than the black & white scenario Rossi supporters are attempting to attack Jed with. If I were to opine a comment of my on this on-going Saga: Based on all the behaviors documented about Rossi's activities, clearly Andrea is not someone who has earned my trust. But a lack of trust does not automatically imply that Rossi hasn't managed to uncover something unusual, and possibly even extraordinary. While I don't trust Rossi, I have no interest in repeatedly damning the man, as Mr. Krivit tends to do in any reporting he does on the subject. I often wish that certain Vortex Rossi supporters would spend less time cherry picking the content of Jed's statements and spend more time asking themselves a more basic question: Would I trust my 401-K plan under the mercurial management style of Andrea Rossi? "Do I feel lucky?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xjr2hnOHiM Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks stevenvincentjohnson.bandcamp.com
RE: [Vo]:Rossi vs I.H.
>From Jed: >> Alain Sepeda wrote: >> what seems unavoidable is that IH was unable to replicate. > I have not heard that they tried to replicate. Oh! This is interesting news to me. I did not know that. > Perhaps they did, but I have no information on that. The only thing > I know is that they analyzed Rossi's data and they say there is no > heat in his test. I too analyzed it, and I agree. I realize I have not kept up on all the latest Rossi vs I.H. news on this matter. (I have my own research to deal with.) As such, I admit the fact that I may be ignorant of certain crucial details. I completely get it that I.H. is telling us that Rossi's data shows no COP+1 heat. Apparently, Rossi and his colleagues claim otherwise. For, now we in the peanut gallery will just have to sit on our arses and hope that we may eventually see for ourselves which way the chips fall. We may not find out. What I didn't realize was the apparent fact that I.H. may... and I repeat "may" not have attempted to perform their own independent replication of Rossi's work. I think this is a very significant fact that needs 100% CLARIFICATION ASAP. I had (mistakenly?) assumed I.H. HAD attempted to perform independent replication of Rossi's work - and that it was their own independent DATA they were working from and reporting on. In all honesty, while I can accept the fact that I.H. is a completely honest and reputable organization, the fact that I.H. might have been only analyzing ROSSI's data leaves MANY, MANY questions unanswered. In a nutshell: I obviously would not want to base my final conclusions on what Rossi sez. I would not want to base my final conclusion on data supplied to me by Rossi - or by a contraption built by ROSSI. All that has been apparently proven here is the fact that Rossi claims don't add up. Well... that's a well found suspicion that many have learned long ago! No excess heat was measured. Yes. I get that loud and clear. Lesson learned: DON'T BASE YOUR CONCLUSIONS ON WHAT ROSSI SEZ, OR ON DATA THAT ROSSI MAY HAVE SUPPLIED YOU WITH, OR BY A CONTRAPTION BUILT BY ROSSI. If no independent replication test was performed by I.H. here, it seems to me we're still back at square one. Only an independent replication of Rossi's contraption will definitely tell us whether there is anything here or not. Jed, what am I missing here? Steven Vincent Johnson orionworks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks stevenvincentjohnson.bandcamp.com
RE: [Vo]:Dear Johannes
My math background, particularly use of proper math terminology, is somewhat elementary at times. Recently, I have taken several refresher courses in calculus. It's been an interesting experience. I was not familiar with the term "Laplace–Runge–Lenz vectors". I may have shorthanded the term, for my own elementary needs to "Velocity Vectors" as pertaining to planetary orbits. "Velocity Vectors" is easier for me to remember. ;-) This is a good wikipedia link. I'm pretty sure I will be going through it with a fine tooth comb. The information here is VERY relevant to what I'm working on. I've already started comparing notes. This is going to take a while. Thanks for the Link Daniel. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson orionworks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks stevenvincentjohnson.bandcamp.com
RE: [Vo]:Dear Johannes
"LRL" = "LGL"? I assume you miss keyed "R" as "G". From: Daniel Rocha > I posted above, but, here it goes again :) > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace%E2%80%93Runge%E2%80%93Lenz_vector#Derivation_of_the_Kepler_orbits
RE: [Vo]:Dear Johannes
What does "LGL" stand for? >From Daniel: > I have other projects! But if I have to suggest anything is to try to > find Kepler's law using LGL vectors in the simplest way.
RE: [Vo]:Dear Johannes
Woah! I didn't expect to see so much commentary on this particular thread. I had to re-subscribe a while longer. Harry, the link you supplied on Feynman's Lost Lecture on Motions around the Sun did the trick for me. I finally get what your animated GIF was trying to tell me. I like what Feynman did with the empty foci. That is cool! Thanks! It will be interesting to see if I can find any linkages with what Feynman did and what I'm trying to work out with my own velocity vector work. You're working on a third way? Daniel, thank you very much for sharing the links to Gary Rubenstien's lectures on Newton's Principia Explained. Over the years I have actually generated a lot of animated computer code that essentially exploit Newton's principals. Doing do animates planetary orbits very nicely. It's fun to do. Indeed, I proved to myself that the area of each plotted triangle do equal each other. As long as one keeps individual iterations reasonably small the accuracy can turn out to be astonishing, several orders of magnitude accurate. Thanks for giving me another excuse to delay doing my house-work. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson orionworks.com http://www.zazzle.com/orionworks http://stevenvincentjohnson.bandcamp.com/
RE: [Vo]:Dear Johannes
Harry, I need to remove myself from Vortex again in order to prevent further temptation to commit commentary. I'll return after I have another progress report to make. One thing I've learned about my own R endeavors is that it's taking a LOT longer to manifest than what I had originally anticipated. I knew there would be delays, but not this much. The experience has given me a greater appreciation for just how long it's taking the fractious CF community to get their chickens lined up. Crossing the road is filled with risks. It's easy to get run over. Please feel free to contact me privately via Email if you're interested in further correspondence. Speaking selfishly for myself, I hope you might be able to parse your interesting GIF animation down to more digestible chunks so that I can better follow the steps. There is a lot going on there. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson orionworks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks stevenvincentjohnson.bandcamp.com From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 9:28 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Dear Johannes Harry, Thanks for sharing your work on orbital mechanics geometry with me and with the rest of the Vort Collective. Wow! That is a really fascinating animated geometric construct. Incredibly elaborate. You appear to be quite gifted in your ability to build complicated animation concepts. My complements! And now, here's my critique! (Don't worry. I'm still extremely impressed.) I desperately wanted to be able to stop your animated gif at various points. There are many, MANY, lines and circles you are generating here as you try to get your point across. I keep getting lost. I can't keep up with what you are trying to reveal. I suspect your construct would be better understood and appreciated by the general public (and me too) if you could break the steps down into more digestible chunks. I would also recommend adding some descriptive wording here and there as you pause after something important has or is about to happen. One lesson I've had to learn the hard way about my own Kepler related work is that we, the researcher, can become somewhat isolated (blinded) by the fact that if we throw a bunch of data too quickly at the novice observer, the person will not be able to follow all the steps. It's not their fault. It's just too much data for a novice to digest in one meal. When they get lost, they give up. We forget that in our own heads what now looks so utterly clear and simple to us still looks utterly confusing to a novice. We have spent weeks and months working out all the geometry in our own brain. The information has essentially become hardwired in our understanding of all the crucial geometry involved. Alas, a new observer has not yet had the chance to build such hardwiring into their own wetwiring. I'm interested in what you are attempting to reveal because I want to understand if there might exist a relationship with your work and mine. It would appear that my application of orbital mechanics geometry reveals very different things than what your geometry appears to reveal. My research into orbital mechanics geometry appears to reveal that VELOCITY vectors can be discerned directly out of Kepler's elliptic construct. All one has to do is add a little extra geometry, and suddenly it all becomes clear. One apparent difference between your work and mine is that my constructs appear to be more simplified. I'm aiming for the same kind of simplicity that Kepler revealed in his three famous laws. I think I have found that simplicity too. Two of the three additional laws (Laws 4 & 5) are actually already known to scholars. But their significance is not understood (or perceived) as additional Kepler laws. I want to rectify that. The third new law (law 6) is, to the best of my knowledge, unknown to the public domain. It shows how to use the empty foci to construct velocity measurements. Steven Vincent Johnson orionworks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks stevenvincentjohnson.bandcamp.com From: H LV [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 5:43 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Dear Johannes Steven, I know that in the past you have wondered if the second focus of an ellipse could have any role to play in the determination of orbits, since it plays no role in Kepler laws or in Newton's derivation of Kepler laws. Well a few years ago, I invented a geometrical method in which the second focus of an ellipse is first located prior to determining the shape and size of an orbit. Information about speed and escape velocity is first mapped to positions on the circumference of a circle and this point is used to projectively locate the second focus (Fe) relative to the planet which is located at the first focus (Fp). Once the second focus is located the shape of orbit can be computed. However, my computations con
RE: [Vo]:Rossi vs I.H.
>From Lennart: > Jed, how come you can repeat your statements but so not have to > verify anything or tell the whole story because some lame excuse. > You basically say that you think your horseshit does not smell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx8cCDthsuk Starting around 0:40 to 1:17 Steven Vincent Johnson orionworks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks stevenvincentjohnson.bandcamp.com
RE: [Vo]:Dear Johannes
Harry, Thanks for sharing your work on orbital mechanics geometry with me and with the rest of the Vort Collective. Wow! That is a really fascinating animated geometric construct. Incredibly elaborate. You appear to be quite gifted in your ability to build complicated animation concepts. My complements! And now, here's my critique! (Don't worry. I'm still extremely impressed.) I desperately wanted to be able to stop your animated gif at various points. There are many, MANY, lines and circles you are generating here as you try to get your point across. I keep getting lost. I can't keep up with what you are trying to reveal. I suspect your construct would be better understood and appreciated by the general public (and me too) if you could break the steps down into more digestible chunks. I would also recommend adding some descriptive wording here and there as you pause after something important has or is about to happen. One lesson I've had to learn the hard way about my own Kepler related work is that we, the researcher, can become somewhat isolated (blinded) by the fact that if we throw a bunch of data too quickly at the novice observer, the person will not be able to follow all the steps. It's not their fault. It's just too much data for a novice to digest in one meal. When they get lost, they give up. We forget that in our own heads what now looks so utterly clear and simple to us still looks utterly confusing to a novice. We have spent weeks and months working out all the geometry in our own brain. The information has essentially become hardwired in our understanding of all the crucial geometry involved. Alas, a new observer has not yet had the chance to build such hardwiring into their own wetwiring. I'm interested in what you are attempting to reveal because I want to understand if there might exist a relationship with your work and mine. It would appear that my application of orbital mechanics geometry reveals very different things than what your geometry appears to reveal. My research into orbital mechanics geometry appears to reveal that VELOCITY vectors can be discerned directly out of Kepler's elliptic construct. All one has to do is add a little extra geometry, and suddenly it all becomes clear. One apparent difference between your work and mine is that my constructs appear to be more simplified. I'm aiming for the same kind of simplicity that Kepler revealed in his three famous laws. I think I have found that simplicity too. Two of the three additional laws (Laws 4 & 5) are actually already known to scholars. But their significance is not understood (or perceived) as additional Kepler laws. I want to rectify that. The third new law (law 6) is, to the best of my knowledge, unknown to the public domain. It shows how to use the empty foci to construct velocity measurements. Steven Vincent Johnson orionworks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks stevenvincentjohnson.bandcamp.com From: H LV [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 5:43 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Dear Johannes Steven, I know that in the past you have wondered if the second focus of an ellipse could have any role to play in the determination of orbits, since it plays no role in Kepler laws or in Newton's derivation of Kepler laws. Well a few years ago, I invented a geometrical method in which the second focus of an ellipse is first located prior to determining the shape and size of an orbit. Information about speed and escape velocity is first mapped to positions on the circumference of a circle and this point is used to projectively locate the second focus (Fe) relative to the planet which is located at the first focus (Fp). Once the second focus is located the shape of orbit can be computed. However, my computations consist of geometric constructions and a gif animation which you can view here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_i-KDTRAy7I9q54g6H22shW7M5e-fj36Sva_seHj75Y/edit?usp=sharing This method of drawing conic sections is not new, but I think how I use of this method is new. Harry
RE: [Vo]:We owe Steven Kirvit an applogy
Jed, Obviously, each Vort participant has to decide for themselves whether they should apologize to Mr. Krivit. Having been a former NET BoD member, I had my share of interactions with Mr. Krivit. My experience with Mr. Krivit was that he can be tireless and dedicated in his desire to get to the truth of the matter. (We worked, in private, on a couple of interesting projects together, and those interactions were for the most part good productive experiences for me.) But I also came to the personal opinion that what one man's perceives as the truth is not necessarily the truth as perceived by another man or woman. I would say the two of us eventually came to loggerheads when I essentially critiqued what I personally felt was Krivit's inexperienced responses to a more experienced radio show host's questions out in Vortex. This was over some disputed McKubre data. As a NET BoD member at the time it was none of my business to have critiqued Krivit's job performance in such a public manner, out in Vortex. That was my fault. Krivit was quite angry with me. After I unloaded what I really wanted to say to Krivit in private, it became pretty obvious that I was not a comfortable fit in his NET organization. I felt extremely relieved to have been asked to leave. I wasted no time in fulfilling his request. I think we came to loggerheads over the whole McKubre M4 issue. I never felt comfortable with Krivit's analysis (actually, I would say: Krivit's opinion) on the matter. To be blunt, I didn't think Krivit was sufficiently qualified to have come down as hard on as hard on McKubre in the manner that he did. I think it seriously hurt Krivit's reputation and standing within the CF community - significantly. In regards to Rossi-Gate, (I love that term, Jones!) I wished Mr. Krivit would have focused primarily on the actual calorimetric data (or the lack of it) alone to prove his points... his suspicions, if you will. But as far as I can tell that's not how Krivit has chosen to conduct his investigations on the Rossi-Gate affair. It's my understanding Krivit came away with a bad feeling about Rossi pretty much after his initial personal encounter. I would speculate Krivit came away feeling that Rossi was attempting to manipulate him into becoming an advocate for his holy cause. I can certainly understand why Krivit came away with bad feelings and suspicions of Rossi, just as you had your own doubts after communicating with him from the very beginning. I remains my opinion that Krivit allowed his suspicions of Rossi's eccentric behaviors... perhaps suspicions that Rossi was trying to manipulate him, to overwhelm the more important task of simply focusing on the calorimetric data Rossi claimed he had accumulated. IMO, there exists TOO MUCH EMOTIONAL KRIVIT BAGAGE for me to trust that Krivit is capable of writing objective reporting on Rossi. Carrying around TOO MUCH EMOTIONAL BAGGAGE is a bad combination to be saddled with if one wants to play the role of being an objective investigative journalist. Again, I feel no need to apologize to Mr. Krivit. I wish him well in his endeavors. But to apologize? Actually it would feel tantamount to enabling, or endorsing Krivit's personal take on the Rossi-Gate affair - which I most certainly don't. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson orionworks.com http://www.zazzle.com/orionworks http://stevenvincentjohnson.bandcamp.com/ From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 7:53 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Steve Krivit Subject: Re: [Vo]:We owe Steven Kirvit an applogy I do not know if we should apologize to Steve, but I certainly agree he was right and I was wrong. I have been meaning to tell him. To be mealymouthed I wasn't so wrong as noncommittal. I think I said -- I hope I said -- I cannot judge whether Rossi is fraud or not, and it is not my business to do that, because I am not a policeman. His tests looked sloppy to me, especially when he almost blew up the people from NASA. My first impression of Rossi was the time he invited me and then uninvited me when I said I would measure the temperature and flow rates with my own instruments. That gave me a bad impression. - Jed
[Vo]:Dear Johannes
I've been retired now for almost 18 months. I'm happy to report I'm not bored. My on-going Kepler research project continues to consume much of my quality time. But alas, summer is just around the corner, and there seems to be a spate of honey-do projects that are about to consume a good chunk of my free energy. Dear Johannes, I hope you won't mind it too much if I place our work temporarily on the bench... perhaps for several months while I go about retouching up the exterior of the house. I just want you to know that I currently see at least three additional laws that I would like to document as additions, or complements, to your original three. I think you'll like the additions. I see a nice symmetry that enhances the simplicity and beauty of your work. However, the amount of computer coding and animation that I feel I'll need to create in order to adequately show all of these additional Keplerian laws feels a tad overwhelming at the moment. It feels important to me that I develop my animations in easy-to-understand chewable bites. Creating a new series of easy to chew cookies is not always an easy recipe to bake. Yours truly Steven Vincent Johnson orionworks.com http://www.zazzle.com/orionworks http://stevenvincentjohnson.bandcamp.com/
[Vo]:Apologize?
The following commentary is not an attempt on my part to justify, or endorse Rossi's recent professional behavior. While some might suggest we need to apologize to Mr. Krivit I feel no desire to endorse let alone enable investigative reporting tactics that repeatedly exploit phrases like "convicted fraudster" or "convicted white collar criminal" to characterize Rossi's prior business activities. Does Rossi's prior fraud charges prove his current business actions are just as bogus? Sure, it's tantalizing to assume that might be the case. I can see why one might think it is a correct assumption to draw. Unfortunately, doing so is nothing more than playing the game of guilt-by-association. The point being: What does playing the guilt-by-association game have to do with investigative reporting of the current evidence? It strikes me more as a tactic a prosecutor attorney would attempt to exploit to build a case of damning evidence, assuming the court doesn't bar him from doing so due to irrelevance to current circumstances. It's my understanding that Mr. Krivit wants to be perceived as an objective independent investigator/journalist. If that is the case, why does his investigative reporting on Rossi repeatedly include phrases like "convicted of fraud" and " convicted white-collar criminal " over and over, typically near the beginning of another damming Rossi article? Doing so, strikes me as more the actions that a prosecuting attorney would exploit to insinuate to the jury that the defendant on trial is guilty. But what do such insinuations have to do with judging the contents of the latest experimental evidence under fire between Rossi and I.H? It strikes me as something an investigative reporter might feel inclined to include if he lacked confidence in being able to stand alone in his ability to deconstruct the alleged veracity of Rossi's current experimental claims. For that suspicion alone, I feel no inclination to offer apologies. It makes me think Mr. Krivit may have chosen the wrong profession to excel at. I hope he eventually finds his true calling. Everyone deserves to embark on his true calling. God only knows it's taken me damned near a life-time to find a few special callings of my own to slave away at until I die. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson orionworks.com http://www.zazzle.com/orionworks http://stevenvincentjohnson.bandcamp.com
[Vo]:Rossi vs I.H.
juggling both of these viewpoints in my head. I will continue juggling them for as long as both are willing to cohabitate within the confines of my rattling head. But eventually, one of them will have to be kicked out. I remain exasperated. It seems to me that all Rossi really has to do to vindicate himself is prove to the world that his latest disputed calorimetric claims are more accurate than the evidence I.H. claims it possesses. Unfortunately, I'm acquiring the disquieting suspicion that we who reside in the honorable peanut gallery may never get to see both sides of the evidence, side-by-side. We may never be able to make an adequate comparison. What Rossi's behavior tells me, more than anything, is that I shouldn't invest a single dime of my paltry investments with him. I find his actions to be too unreliable. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson orionworks.com http://www.zazzle.com/orionworks http://stevenvincentjohnson.bandcamp.com/
[Vo]:unsubscribe
[Vo]:An update on my on-going Kepler research efforts
all in 2016! Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:unsubscribe
Dang! I always forget to use the correct address when unsubscribing.
RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race
Hi Lennart I haven't been ignoring you. Just lack adequate time. Now that I'm retired it sometimes feels as if I have less time at my disposal than ever. ...not that I'm really complaining about it. I have to ask you. Were you the middle sibling growing up in your family? Always the peace maker, you are. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race
Hi Mark, my old nemesis. ;-) Regarding the "rant" word accusation see the following link out in the Vortex archive: https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg105057.html specifically, your statement: > 3- but then, what comes to mind whenever I see anything (OT) from you, is > that it's going to be yet another rant on how evil the Christians and > Republicans are. All I really want to say about that is: Even if you did say it, so what! I don't feel like holding it against you! I DO rant at times! ;-) I've also lost count of the many things I've said in the past to others that I've later regretted saying. I'm sure there will be more to come in the future. But each day I try my best to keep whittling it down. On other matters I can understand, and will also validate, why you might feel that I have in a sense patronized you when I said "As for the rest, to be honest I’m just no longer motivated enuf to go back and explain myself.” Guilty as charged. But to be honest, my primary motivation was no to patronize you. I had a more selfish motivation. I was just tired of it all. I don't want to go through the whole back-and-forth process again. Let's move on. Indeed, I hope CF continues to heat up. One thing participating in Vortex since the 1990s has taught me is that it helps to acquire an infinite amount of patience. Miracles don't happen overnight. As for you, my old nemesis... despite my best judgement I think I am growing fond of you. ;-) Paraphrasing something Spock might say, I wish you great prosperity in securing adequate funding for your startup company. Instead of crossing my fingers, I'll simply give you a high: \\// Perhaps Spock would then follow his salute by saying, "I find it highly ironic that excess sugar intake is now responsible killing so many people in the developed world on your planet." So, yes, good luck in your endeavors. Many diabetics will truly appreciate your efforts. As for me, since my retirement of last December I'm spending as much personal time as I can working on an on-going Kepler research project. (Analysis of Orbital Mechanics.) Involves a lot of computer graphics and learning Calculus terminology. Easier said than done. Lately I've noticed that a spate of Honey Do projects seem to end up getting higher priority on my to-do list. ...perhaps I'm rebelling against all that calculus I 'm trying to cram down my throat... er, head. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC The enigmatic wisdom of Deepak Chopra
Jed sez: > Some say artificial intelligence is not yet a thing. Maybe so, > but we now have artificial wisdom. Get your random fictional > Deepak Chapra quote here: > > http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/ Hah! Let me do one better. A little haiku ditty straight out of my own randomized wetware: The long journey to find yourself is futile. One cannot find that which is never lost. While many will consider such "wisdom" as nothing more than circuitous nonsensical gibberish, a few may still appreciate it. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race
Mark, I'm impressed by your earnestness in wanting to get clarification. I'll just focus on one exchange. What motivated me to go on the offensive, so to speak, was the first comment you made, which was: > The NYT article is so blatantly one-sided, but of course, you know that... > at least, I hope you do. As the old say'in goes: First impressions count. Granted, it may not have been your intention to do so but that was a patronizing thing to say to anyone. So what if it's a one-sided article. So what if I posted that "one-side" article out to Vort Land. The world if full of one-sided POVs, and inevitably someone's one-sided POV (or article) is not going to align with one's personal stash of approved POVs. That doesn't make that so-called one-sided POV any less informative. As for the rest, to be honest I'm just no longer motivated enuf to go back and explain myself. Based on other comments you made I get the impression much of anything else I might say pertaining to the political arena would be interpreted as yet another leftist "rant" coming from me. You did call some of my prior comments "rants". But, enuf of interpreting my POVs. Let me put it another way. maybe you were more accurate than I was on some of the points you were trying to make, and perhaps I was more accurate on some of the other points. As for me, I would prefer to find common ground on what we can agree on rather than what we disagree on. Energy tends to be expended more efficiently when we work in a sand box of common ground. So, c u back in the Vort Sand box. Perhaps the next time we connect will end up on the same side. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Strongly recommend this video about population and energy
Thanks Jed, Watched it all. It was worth it. It is rare to take in a lecture given by a statistician who is not only informative but entertaining and funny as well. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks > "DON'T PANIC — Hans Rosling showing the facts about population" > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FACK2knC08E ... > If you do not have time to see this, here is a short similar video, which > does not mention energy: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwII-dwh-bk
RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race
Hi Mark, I must ask: where was the alleged "rant" in my original post? I pointed to a link that showed some interesting graphics about where political money is coming from. In your mind, does pointing to a link now constitute another "rant" coming from me? Do the links I submit for the Vort Collective's consumption scare you that much? Ok.so you disagree with those findings, and perhaps you also disagree with some of my expressed liberal tendencies. I can live with that. But another link supplied by me now constitutes another "rant"? It seems to me that you show your conservative colors just as much as paint me to be a liberal. But yes, I believe you have outed me. It would appear these days that I possess liberalistic tendencies, which perhaps from a ultra-conservative's POV would imply I must be a bleating hearted liberal democrat whose primary concern is to make sure that subversive gays and lesbians get the same insurance protections as some god fearing homophobic Christians believe they should own exclusive rights to today. Be damned about the economy. Let's just print up more money to pay for all those needy welfare queens - and be damned about the economy After all, Brad must be able to marry Bart if I'm going to be able to sleep tonight! But that would be misleading. I used to be a republican. I must confess: I voted for Reagan. Back in the 1980s it was during the reign of Reagan that I was forced to witness to my absolute dismay what was happening to the republican party as staunch ultra conservatives and religious factions slowly and methodically started to infest what used to be a more reasonable oriented centrist party philosophy - a party that was still willing to negotiate with the enemy in order to get things done. Over the decades it's only gotten worse. FWIW, and just to set the record straight, I'm not necessarily happy with a lot of democratic positions taken today. However, I do seem to possess far more criticisms aimed against ultra conservative factions than against the so-called liberal democratic platform. It's a matter of prioritization. The squeakiest wheel tends to get the most oiling. I'm also try to be pragmatic. Just so you know, I'd prefer B. Sanders (a decades in the making battle worthy candidate), but I try to be realistic in accepting the fact that Hillary, warts and all, will most likely be the democratic pick. It seems to me that none of us get out of this mess without at some time feeling just a tad like a prostitute. At least we can agree on the fact that PACs are not necessarily a good thing for our political system. If you feel close, though not necessarily exactly the same way as I may feel about them, I'm content to leave it at that. The continuing debate over what constitutes an artificial person in corporate land is no doubt a protracted discussion that should be left for another time and date when CF news becomes temporarily lean. But enuf for now, wouldn't you say? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product Demonstrations
Hi Esa, I'm sure many Vorts remain curious about the further adventures of Steorn and Mr. McCarthy. I confess, I still am one of the curious. While I remain suitably cautious, and perhaps just a tad suspicions as well, I look forward to further developments. How will they "spin" the ORBO this time around. ;-) Steve From: esa ruoho [mailto:esaru...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 2:57 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product Demonstrations Hi Craig + list.. Anyone tuning into this webinar? I know I'll be there with bells on. I have not heard back from Orbo/Shaun McCarthy re: what it actually sounds like when it charges. Been trying to reach out to them. I hope it's not loud. >Bit of News for you... >Steorn will conduct a series of LIVE interactive Webinars beginning on October 28th. >The webinars are an introduction to their free energy technology Orbo Powercube. >They will demo the tech, explain how the components work and field questions. >Link to register for the FREE Live webinar is in the article. >http://freeenergy.news/steorn/exclusive-live-steorn-webinars-on-orbo-powerc ube/ --- http://lackluster.bandcamp.com | http://lackluster.org | http://esaruoho.tumblr.com | iPhone: +358403703659
RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race
Hello again Mark, I stand by what I have said before. To repeat myself, to endlessly reinterpret what I have said before lies madness. I'm content to leave my "rants" as-is. It's probably time to close up shop on this particular discussion. At least we seem to agree on the fact that something must be done about PACs. If we had both had been elected officials serving our respective constituents I have the feeling that you and I together would try to find common ground in order to move forward. Granted it might be difficult at times, but if we remain capable of acknowledging to each other the fact that we both ended up having to sacrifice certain principals dear to our hearts in equal proportions... messy as democracy is, things tend to get done. I wish someone was capable of explaining that very messy principle to the Tea Party. IMO, not being capable of understanding what compromise is all about... that also leads to madness. B'well back. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 1:21 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race Good morning Steven, I think you are referring to this statement of mine: ". I believe you are the one who has, by far, pontificated at length about political/religious issues;" That is the only reference I made which you could interpret as referring to a 'rant' (your term, not mine). It was NOT a reference to something in your original email, but to a history of having to vent on this forum as to your OT postings you've done over the years about your disagreements with Wisconsin politics. Could that be the reason behind why I wrote what I did? You imply there was some derogatory or hurtful meaning in my original response to your posting, and I was trying to provide an explanation as to why that was not the case. I was simply trying to explain to you why I expressed my thoughts the way I did. that's all. I did read the article you linked to, and feel it's of interest to all concerned about events in this country. we do agree on that. When you write things like this, "Do the links I submit for the Vort Collective's consumption scare you that much?" Is it any wonder why someone might respond the way they do?? You are concluding that I'm scared by some article you posted. how in the world do you conclude that? Just because I try to point out to the forum that one has to read multiple sources to get a total picture of a given issue is NOT an indication that one is scared. Don't paint me as being something I'm not. I tend to be more socially liberal and fiscally conservative. "At least we can agree on the fact that PACs are not necessarily a good thing for our political system. If you feel close, though not necessarily exactly the same way as I may feel about them, I'm content to leave it at that." Agreed! B Well Always, -mark From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 8:53 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race Hi Mark, I must ask: where was the alleged "rant" in my original post? I pointed to a link that showed some interesting graphics about where political money is coming from. In your mind, does pointing to a link now constitute another "rant" coming from me? Do the links I submit for the Vort Collective's consumption scare you that much? Ok.so you disagree with those findings, and perhaps you also disagree with some of my expressed liberal tendencies. I can live with that. But another link supplied by me now constitutes another "rant"? It seems to me that you show your conservative colors just as much as paint me to be a liberal. But yes, I believe you have outed me. It would appear these days that I possess liberalistic tendencies, which perhaps from a ultra-conservative's POV would imply I must be a bleating hearted liberal democrat whose primary concern is to make sure that subversive gays and lesbians get the same insurance protections as some god fearing homophobic Christians believe they should own exclusive rights to today. Be damned about the economy. Let's just print up more money to pay for all those needy welfare queens - and be damned about the economy After all, Brad must be able to marry Bart if I'm going to be able to sleep tonight! But that would be misleading. I used to be a republican. I must confess: I voted for Reagan. Back in the 1980s it was during the reign of Reagan that I was forced to witness to my absolute dismay what was happening to the republican party as staunch ultra conservatives and religio
[Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race
>From NY Times. Enjoy! 158 Families Make Up Half of 2016 Election Funding http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/11/us/politics/2016-presidential- election-super-pac-donors.html?hp=click=Homepage=photo- spot-region=top-news=top-news&_r=1 http://tinyurl.com/n9u26t6 Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race
Hi Mark, > The NYT article is so blatantly one-sided, but of course, you know that... > at least, I hope you do. It's been my experience that when someone feigns praise upon another person's alleged intelligence but then immediately turns around and questions whether the praise they had just endorsed was truly warranted - that is nothing more than a covert way of implying that the person they have a disagreement with is not only ignorant, they also want that person to feel stupid about their own alleged ignorance. Setting my alleged ignorance aside, who are these "outside groups"? What control and regulation do we have over them? Any??? It's not the amount of money spent on the 2012 election that concerns me. Due to the aftermath of Citizens United vs Federal Election Commission ruling we are now witnessing an unregulated frenzy of money being spent in the political campaign arena in ways never seen before witnessed. Making matters worse, we are no allowed to know who or where that money comes from. The ruling flabbergasted me. How the hell did corporations become people, as Romney famously once said? It seems to me that if corporate entities can now be considered a person, shouldn't that also mean that that "person" should only be allowed to donate the same amount of cash to a political cause as a living breathing person, like you or me is allowed? But is that happening??? The blatant unaccountability of who and where that money comes from scares the bajesus out of me. IMHO, it ought to scare bajesus out of anyone who believes in a democracy where each citizen's vote (along their personal financial resources) should count and be accounted for as no more or no less than anyone else's vote. In the years to come as we now go about the process of vetting the next leader of the free world, doesn't the lack of accountability of where all that unleashed money will come from and what it is going to be spent on concern you just a teensy weeny little bit? "Follow the money." Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:NASA Calls Urgent Press Conference
>From Jed, > The Atlanta-centric view of this news can be seen in today's Atlanta Journal > headline: > "[Georgia] Tech, NASA confirm water on Mars" > Georgia Tech found the water. NASA helped. Extremely briny water. Nevertheless, exposed liquid water on the surface of Mars - weather permitting. As we speak I'm sure certain dedicated UFO groups are already in the process of spinning the news as another sign of on-going efforts to reprogram society for the inevitable disclosure of aliens amongst us. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Fortune mag. interviews Tom Darden
>From Jed: >> http://fortune.com/2015/09/27/ceo-cherokee-investment-partners-low-energy-nuclear-reaction/ Excerpt: Q: What changed your mind? A: Scientists get locked into paradigms until the paradigm shifts. Then everyone happily shifts to the new truth and no one apologizes for being so stupid before. Low temperature fusion could be consistent with existing theories, we just don’t know how. It’s like when physicists say that according to the laws of aerodynamics bumblebees can’t fly but they do. Good response. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details
>From Jed: >>Volkswagen will be required to implement corrective action at no cost to >> the owner. >> >> Whenever I read or hear the words "...at no cost to the owner." Yeah, right. > Why do you find that unbelievable? The fix will be at no cost to present > owners. The cost will be borne by Volkswagen stockholders and by people > who buy new cars from Volkswagen later. These cars will be a little more > expensive than they would have been, to make up for the losses. Poor wording on my part. My sarcasm was meant to imply that, as you pointed out, future VW customers and stockholders will bare the brunt of mistakes made from past avoidances. I hope you are right that the additional cost will be just a little more expensive than what future autos would have cost otherwise. The impression I have been getting from the news is that this is a really big deal. Whether it is an accurate assumption for me to make or not, I tend to interpret a big deal in financial terms. Truth of the matter is that I don't know how expensive or costly this matter is going to end up being for VW. Hopefully, you are correct. I like the German company. I've owned several bugs myself in my earlier years. I'd hate to see VW suffer irreparable financial hardship. Over the decades I think they have done a decent job manufacturing high quality transportation for the common man. > In related news, the EPA announced it is changing its test method to > ensue this will not happen again. Good! Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details
>From Jed: >EPA announcement: > >http://www3.epa.gov/otaq/cert/violations.htm Excerpt: How much will this cost to fix? Volkswagen will be required to implement corrective action at no cost to the owner. Whenever I read or hear the words "...at no cost to the owner." Yeah, right. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Rewriting the lede on cold fusion for wikipedia
AndyTheGrump? BLP has it in for Grump as well. They filed a law suit against him and others. http://www.williamslopatto.com/uploads/2/5/8/4/25843913/blacklight_power_inc._complaint.pdf Have no idea if BLP's complaint has managed to get any traction or not. I suspect it's gone nowhere. If BLP want's restitution they need to present to the public a working prototype that proves OU is occurring. Until then I suspect the Grump and all of his cohorts will remain safe as a bug under the rug until then... We're still waiting. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Rewriting the lede on cold fusion for wikipedia
>From Lennart, > ... However, to me it is really sad that BLP need to go to court > to resolve this type of issues. IMHO there is no upside for either > party regardless of the outcome. Indeed. IMO, there is really only one definitive way to settle the matter. Build a working prototype proving OU is occurring. Filing a law suit to go after Grump and his cohorts accomplishes diddly squat other than eating up valuable man-hours and financial resources better spent on building the promised prototype. ...to paraphrase a famous saying from a popular movie "If you build it, [they] will come." For now, all the Gump has to say is "Where's the beef! You've been promising us eminent delivery of a quarter pound double cheeseburger for how long now??? I rest my case." IMO, BLP would be wise not to press the matter in court. It might be the primary reason why there hasn't been much said about the matter since. Going forward, seeking damages, IMO, is more likely to end up hurting BLP's image more than any so-called legitimate scientific evidence filed in court claiming verification of scientific findings would show. Again, No cheeseburger? Grump goes free. > The only guys laughing all the way to the bank are the lawyers. yep. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:RE: The megafarad capacitor
Jones sez: ... > Having a bank roll of $200 billion in liquid assets will let you do > crazy things like move all the way from computeres into automotive > - when the time is right. I suppose they could just buy Toyota and > be done with it. LOL! GOOD example of having lots of money to play around with: APPLE BAD example of having lots of money to play around with: TRUMP Looked like Stephen Cobert had had a good time keeping Trump more-or-less on a short leash on the Tonight Show. It's too bad someone in charge over at Apple doesn't have a hankering to discreetly look into LENR research, or even BLP's equally controversial claims for that matter. I could say the same thing for Google. I also wish Elon Musk would start snooping around, but I think he has pretty much committed himself to the task of mass producing batteries to help drive down unit costs. Can't really blame Elon. It's a good thing to work on. Regarding generating a hydrogen infrastructure, many years ago I recall Dr. Peter Zimmerman (Dr. Mills' worst nemesis) claiming we should redirect many of our nuclear plants towards the primary task of cracking H2O into hydrogen. Zimmerman seemed to think that would be an excellent way to generate boatloads of cheap plentiful hydrogen for the coming hydrogen economy. I wouldn't know where to begin to figure out if that would truly could be an economical process or not. Anyone up to the challenge of running the numbers here? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Rewriting the lede on cold fusion for wikipedia
>From Blaze, ... > I think it will also help the community at large if they view cold > fusion as completely doable. Perhaps it's time for you to update the Wikipedia article on CF in order to reflect this important matter. See what happens... Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Rewriting the lede on cold fusion for wikipedia
>From Blaze: > http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9E03E0D7103FE033A05753C3A9649D946792D6CF > I wonder if the 1956 article actually uses the phrase "Cold Fusion"? I'm not clear on that. I'm assuming it didn't. Interesting piece of research nevertheless. Perhaps someone within Vort Land might like to fork over $3.95 to NYT and get the article. How bout you, Blaze. Based on some of your prior posts you have given me the impression of being someone who may have a few extra bucks laying around, just for gambling occasions like this. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:OT: Launching a new audio website
Feel free to take a brief break from the CF controversy and check out my new audio website. Keeping Sturgeon's Law in mind I did my best to include only my best compositions. Rest assured, many compositions died on the operating table and will never see the light of day. Some of these works go back as far as 2003. They are all digitally mastered. Lots of wave tables and wave modification algorithms were employed. It's possible Frank Znidarsic might enjoy a momentary distraction since I gather he has been working on a music app for androids. audio.orionworks.com At the top of the list I have included brand new composition titled "Aurora Borealis" completed earlier this year. Length: 6:30. This particular arrangement is more ethereal, ambient and unstructured than most of my previous compositions. Should be easy listening for most. Included are photos and a brief commentary concerning the creative process (according to Steven Vincent Johnson) under "The Composing Process" menu. Engaging in the composing process can be therapeutic, particularly when I have OD'd on too much computer coding... or trying to stuff my brains with too many calculus formulae. There are times the analytical portions of my brain simply need to be de-fragmentized. May you enjoy a little de-fragmentization of your own. ;-) PS: audio.orionworks.com was developed using XARA Web Designer. See: xara.com. Most of my other OrionWorks subdomains were developed using XARA as well. It's a pretty decent package for rapid prototype development. I appreciate XARA's WYSIWYG philosophy. No CSS or HTML coding. That allowed me to focus on design, color, and layout to a very large extent. I put this two page website together in two days. XARA would not a good choice for developing and maintaining large data-base oriented sites, like Lenr-Canr.org. There is no database management. For large websites, Jed is right. Use a tool like Word Press. If I get around to journaling some of my Kepler research under a new subdomain, using Word Press may very well be the tool I'll use. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:OT: Launching a new audio website
Thats: http://audio.orionworks.com/index.htm From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 9:05 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:OT: Launching a new audio website Feel free to take a brief break from the CF controversy and check out my new audio website. Keeping Sturgeon's Law in mind I did my best to include only my best compositions. Rest assured, many compositions died on the operating table and will never see the light of day. Some of these works go back as far as 2003. They are all digitally mastered. Lots of wave tables and wave modification algorithms were employed. It's possible Frank Znidarsic might enjoy a momentary distraction since I gather he has been working on a music app for androids. audio.orionworks.com At the top of the list I have included brand new composition titled "Aurora Borealis" completed earlier this year. Length: 6:30. This particular arrangement is more ethereal, ambient and unstructured than most of my previous compositions. Should be easy listening for most. Included are photos and a brief commentary concerning the creative process (according to Steven Vincent Johnson) under "The Composing Process" menu. Engaging in the composing process can be therapeutic, particularly when I have OD'd on too much computer coding... or trying to stuff my brains with too many calculus formulae. There are times the analytical portions of my brain simply need to be de-fragmentized. May you enjoy a little de-fragmentization of your own. ;-) PS: audio.orionworks.com was developed using XARA Web Designer. See: xara.com. Most of my other OrionWorks subdomains were developed using XARA as well. It's a pretty decent package for rapid prototype development. I appreciate XARA's WYSIWYG philosophy. No CSS or HTML coding. That allowed me to focus on design, color, and layout to a very large extent. I put this two page website together in two days. XARA would not a good choice for developing and maintaining large data-base oriented sites, like Lenr-Canr.org. There is no database management. For large websites, Jed is right. Use a tool like Word Press. If I get around to journaling some of my Kepler research under a new subdomain, using Word Press may very well be the tool I'll use. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Perhaps shooting myself in the foot
>From Lennart > I will take risk. > This video about how strong the word is. (The critic (well founded btw) > about my grammar should probably not make me bring this but I think it > is so good that I take chance. Have a cigar it is Friday. > Words mean a lot. ... Good link, Lennart. Glad you provided it. Enjoyable and informative. I liked the part where the speaker, at the end of his toast, crushed the cigarette within his fist. If some of the above was in reference to my prior criticism of your use of the English language, let me add that my American ability to speak Spanish is abysmal, despite the fact that I had plenty of opportunity to learn it. In child hood I lived in El Salvador, Central America, for three years. All during that time I went to a bi-lingual school. The simple truth of the matter was that I was lazy. I had plenty of other interests as well. At that awkward early teen-age time in my life I was more interested in studying the social order of ant colonies while simultaneously becoming infatuated with girls who rarely noticed my existence on this planet. There was a lot on my dinner plate to sort through. As far as I was concerned I had no time left over to apply myself (as if my future welfare was as stake) on learning Spanish. In retrospect if I had been truly motivated, at least to a point where might have been able to carry on an awkward but reasonably cognizant conversation in Spanish, it would have served me well. This is without a doubt. Yes, words mean a lot. So, keep practicing, Lennart. I’m not sure how compulsory it really is but it’s my understanding that many European countries both routinely and simultaneously teach English alongside their native tongue. Why? Because many countries know their country’s future welfare may depend on having enough of their own citizens fluent in communicating in English, simply for business purposes. In the United States, we do teach other foreign languages in school as electives. That said, I suspect it’s not anywhere near as compulsory as it probably is in other countries. Lately, there have been grumblings from conservative right-wing factions that suggest our country has already gone too far in allowing Spanish to spread through the United States. Hopefully, their xenophobia will be ignored. I’ve already learned enough from your prior posts to know that I occasionally agree and disagree on certain points you have expressed. That means the art of communication your Point of View has tended to have been more successful than unsuccessful. What more can one ask from “words”. PS: As for me, while I might have the “girl” issue reasonably sorted out (Yes, I’m a nerd, take it or leave it.), I don’t know whether I’ll ever get my multiyear Kepler Research project sorted out to my satisfaction before kicking the bucket. Yes, Sancho, I know. Just boil the damned egg, will you! Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:ADGEX Flashlight Creators Announce USB PowerBank
>From Robin > To me it looks they have just put a supercap in a box, with some electronics. Yes, I would agree with you. In the demo you can see him plug the larger box (the box that is still a prototype) into a wall outlet. 30 seconds later the box appears to be fully charged whereas before it was completely discharged. It's not so revolutionary as compared to a really nice incremental step of consumer convenience. That's not to be knocked. If the same kind of technology could be internalized within the a typical cell phone... charging it in 30 seconds... some might call that revolutionary. If true, I think the technology would sell like hot cakes. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Japanese Members of Parliament are spry!
Jed sed: > It is good to know that national leaders keep in shape. > I'll bet they could beat the crap out of the U.S. Senate. Yesterday I watched a great documentary on the life and films of Stanley Kubrick. The following classic comes to mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAeqVGP-GPM Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Japanese Members of Parliament are spry!
My apologies to Mr. Beene. I c he already beat me to the punchline. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts
Ahmed gets his revenge in TIME Magazine: http://time.com/4038305/ahmed-mohamed-clock-mit/?xid=newsletter-brief Excerpt: But during the press conference, Mohamed explained what he really wants to do: go to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology for collage. In the meantime, he added, "I'm thinking about transferring from McArthur to any different school." Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts
>From Eric > But ignore Mohamed's race and religion for a moment, and the concerns remain. I disagree. The concerns would have vanished, if not had been greatly reduced. >From my POV it appears that the argument you are making, as well as the school >administrator's POV, were NOT ignoring Mohamed's race and religion. If Ahmed's >skin had been white and his name, Arnold, I seriously doubt this regrettable >fiasco would have even raised to a fleeting level of amused interest in the >high school cafeteria among fellow nerds. Well... maybe not if a Caucasian looking Ahmed had turned around and said to the teacher, "All be back." ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts
>From Lennart: > Personally I see no reason for the law either against heroin > (they will abuse it anyhow) This Off Topic conversion is about to get a lot more off topic, and I don't care! ;-) I like what you said, Lennart. I generally agree with your premise. IMO, we should stop outlawing mind altering drugs like Heroin, crack, LSD, etc... I would go much further than that and suggest we actually get into the business of licensing companies to manufacture these products using safe sanitary standards. We should "sell" to those who want it, or need it. As horrifying as that may sound to some, the point I'm trying to make is: If we really want to end the war on the drug cartels we need to set up carefully government regulated business that sell the product at minimal profit in order to drive these highly profitable unregulated "illegal" business out-of-business. How much federal funding would be saved by getting rid of all the surveillance equipment, personnel, and prisons just to grab a few dramatic highly publicized headlines of having just grabbed a major kingpin who had been on the run for years. Everybody knows that when it comes to the illegal importation of drugs into the US, using a sieve would probably be better butterfly net than all the drug enforcement equipment and personnel currently employed. Unfortunately, law enforcement, itself, has become a huge thriving business. It has no interest in stamping out its customer base. Granted, it will occasionally parade out a few scape goats every now and grab a few impressive headlines. But then it's back to business as usual with its hand out for more funding. I realize I would probably end up being assassinated by some right wind religious fanatic by saying this by if I was unwillingly forced into a government position to end the war on drugs I'd get us into the business of licensing it and selling it ourselves in order to undercut the "competition". Mandatory on each product would be big fat warning labels that say if you take this particular drug for so many times in the following period of time you will get addicted. Don't kid yourself. You will get hooked. Therefore, we highly recommend you don't take this drug. If you return the drug to us unused and unaltered, we will refund your money after we make double sure you didn't find a way to dilute the contents in order to sell it to customers yourself at a "discount." But if you feel you must take it we would prefer you purchase this dangerous drug from us for substantially less than buying if at inflated prices down in the alley. Why buy a product from an organization where you wouldn't have much recourse to complain if the product doesn't meet standards. Finally, when you eventually get addicted (and don't kid yourself, you will get addicted) and if you want to kick the habit we have drug rehabilitation facilities waiting to get you off the habit. I would also make sure all the drug profits would be plowed back into drug education in order to show, graphically - no holds barred, all the horrible things that happen to a drug user who purchases this product after he has gotten addicted. The profits would also go to fund drug rehabilitation and support facilities & groups for kicking the habit. Granted, I realize this "government" program could itself become "addicted" to its own self-preservation. In this world, nothing is perfect. We will simply have to watch the program very carefully. But as the old saying goes. Keep your friends close to you, but keep your enemies even closer. I can't think of a better way of keeping my enemy closer to me than by beating them at their own game by undercutting their profit margin. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:ADGEX Flashlight Creators Announce USB PowerBank
Must keep an eye on these folks. I gather it's been speculated these devices are powered by Earth's Magnetic field. I'm not sure how that would work. If this line of speculation turns out to be accurate I'd guess one cannot stack too many of them together in order to boost wattage. Density issues. Makes me wonder what the maximum wattage that could theoretically be harvested within, say, each square foot, or meter. Of course, what comes to my speculative mind is the feasibility of erecting "power" buildings crammed with stacks and stacks of these devices all hooked up together. Kind of like a sub-station. But in this case, more of a mini power house. I'm guessing this would be totally impractical cost-wise due to low density output combined with the high cost of the individual devices. Perhaps it simply would not work. It's a nice thought though. Comments? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks From: Craig Brown [mailto:cr...@overunity.co] Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:53 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:ADGEX Flashlight Creators Announce USB PowerBank Remember those guys who said they had developed a flashlight powered by Earth's magnetic field? Well, here's the next product apparently. http://freeenergy.news/news/the-rapidly-self-charging-adgex-tachyon-powerbank/
[Vo]:OT: When things go super critical
This is what I would call a run-away event. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TywqT6OeVaQ If we could only bottle it and sell it. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts
Lennart, I realize English is not your native language. I try my best to afford you generous leeway when I can't parse your English grammar. After all, I don't know your native language. That said, I must confess that in this circumstance I don't quite understand what the point was that you were trying to make. Here's my point. If the high school boy who brought in his science project had not looked like a Muslim, this regrettable chain of unfortunate events never would have become news. Authority based on suspicion and fear took over and never asked for technical help. For crying out loud, the student brought his home made digital clock to school to show his classmates and teachers what he had built with his own brain and hands. As far as we can tell he never behaved in a secretive way when he brought his home project to school. Would a terrorist have revealed to his teacher what he had built? [Glad you liked it, sir. Excuse me now while I go take it somewhere secretive where I can arm it.] I would have hoped that those in authority would have recognized the simple behavior of bringing a project to school to impress a teacher. Unfortunately, authority overwhelmed with prejudice took over. Technical help never had a chance to weigh in. What a friggin fiasco. I'm glad he gets to show his science project off at the White House. You can bet Ahmed's visit will make news. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks From: Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 8:21 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts Jed, Read what you just wrote, This is those authorities, you think we should respect, in action. Where I grow up there was no laws that we should be inoculated. I think you are confusing technical expertise and authorities. There is no problem with technical expertise. However, when you bring in the principal it all becomes law and order and there is always a law nowadays. . . . I am glad we have the same opinion. Now just get the names right. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com <http://www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com> lenn...@thornros.com <mailto:lenn...@thornros.com> +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com <mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com> > wrote: The Ahmed Mohamed case has swept the Internet. I hope the kid gets a normal life back. Anyway, I would like to point out something about this that clicked in my mind regarding cold fusion. This is a technical high school, specializing in engineering. The first teacher he showed it to saw it was a clock. I expect there are dozens of other teachers there who would instantly recognize it is a clock. So, when suspicion arose, and the kid and his clock were sent the principal's office, the principal should have called in one of the engineering teachers and asked "what is this?" The misunderstanding would have been cleared up instantly. Instead, the principal called the police. As you see from the news accounts the police knew nothing about electronics or bombs. Decades ago, when a technical questions arose, technical experts were called in, and the public accepted their judgement. There were laws that all children have to be inoculated against infectious disease. No one questioned these laws. An "anti-vaxer" movement in the 1950s, when the polio vaccine had just been developed, would have been unthinkable. All adults back then understood how dangerous polio is. Perhaps respect for authority and for expertise was too high back then. There were cases of that. But I think the pendulum has swung too far the other way. The tragedy of cold fusion is not that experts were wrong, but rather that experts were ignored. Decision makers ignored the scientific literature and did not listen to experts who had actually performed experiments. They turned instead to science journalists, then to ordinary journalists, to scientists who had no knowledge of the subject and who had read nothing, and finally, to anonymous people at Wikipedia who name themselves after comic book characters. - - - - - - - - - - - The story includes one of the most stupid quotes from a police department spokesperson I have ever read: “We have no information that he claimed it was a bomb,” McLellan said. “He kept maintaining it was a clock, but there was no broader explanation.” Asked what broader explanation the boy could have given, the spokesman explained: “It could reasonably be mistaken as a device if left in a bathroom or under a car. The concern was, what was this t
RE: [Vo]:Main stream science performs cold fusion experiment.
In the recent past the Kiplinger newsletter has mentioned the fact that there are renewed efforts underway in researching & developing nuclear power from Thorium decay. It's my understanding that many decades ago the US lost interest in developing Thorium-based energy when it became clear to them that they couldn't create atom bombs out of the low decaying element. I'm curious, What qualifies this as a so-called CF experiment? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 4:38 PM To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: [Vo]:Main stream science performs cold fusion experiment. http://arxiv.org/pdf/0710.5177.pdf Speeding-up Thorium decay http://arxiv.org/pdf/1001.5391.pdf Remarks on the cavitation of Thorium-228 I doubt that Jed has anything by Fabio Cardone in his library.
RE: [Vo]:Isotopic Analysis of Glowstick by Univ. of Missouri Lab
>From Jones: ... > Given Mills' strong international patent portfolio and breadth of claims > - that is strong motivation for Rossi to try to make his case for a > nuclear, versus non-nuclear reaction. I see two hats being placed on the magician's table. Which one will the rabbit finally be pulled out of? It's as if future wannabe energy czars are trying to carve out a decent swatch of territory that they hope to homestead with the eventual goal of selling the spoils to the highest bidder. I wonder who will win that battle. The loser will likely be the one who blinks first and puts up a "for sale" sign on his fallow ground. I'm getting the impression that the latest independent findings would seem to suggest that no kind of nuclear reaction is occurring whatsoever. From a patent POV, that doesn't bode well for Rossi & co., even if he is the first to leave the starting gate with an actual commercial product we can buy off the shelves of Wallmart. It would suggest, at least to me, that the observed exothermic process may have more to do with a not well understood process involving the manipulation of electron shells. Again, from a Patent POV, by default that would seem to suggest that Randy's mysterious hydrino theory may now be on a better "fast track" of being able to survive the inevitable rituals that established scientific scrutiny will demand it perform before they get around to blessing it as another "mostly harmless" addition to the Book of Quantum Theory. Obviously, that is not a forgone conclusion. I suspect there are some within Vortland who would beg to differ with such an addition. There are the Rydberg supporters who would be more than happy to add their own revered chapter to the BoQT, and some of them strike me as being a very persistent lot. Sometimes I think we still haven't found the best hat to place on the magician's table. It's as if there is a movement afoot doing its best to force us to choose the lesser of two evils. Perhaps that is why the rabbit continues to hide. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:STEORN in the news again:
The video can be found at the following link: http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/05/06/announcement-demonstration-of-steorns-n ever-die-orbo-power-cube-battery-in-dublin-pub-starting-friday/ or http://tinyurl.com/oqkfp3x Just scroll down a couple of screen fulls. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:STEORN in the news again:
Some of this info is almost a month old, but still... First I've ever heard about it. It would appear STEORN may soon be getting ready to market a cordless charger for your cellphone. Gets its energy from... who knows. http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News=article=3650 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/08/18/another-potential-energy-breakthrough-s teorns-orbo-synergy-or-siphon-greg-daigle/ or http://tinyurl.com/ptsx9qs (There's a short video clip here. More on that later.) There's a photo of a red device that can fit rather awkwardly in your hand. One gets the impression the device is pretty close to being ready to be boxed and sold commercially to the public. Personally, I don't like the design layout, the aesthetics. It's red and (to me) appears to be in the shape of a hockey goalie mask. Looks to me like a bloody skull with a USB inlet in the middle where the nostrils would be placed. Circled are "+" and "-" characters where the eyes would be, and the word "ORBO" is where the teeth would be. Personally, I would have sent the ghastly design back to the rapid prototype department for another redo. And perhaps it has. As-is, the contraption gives me the impression that it would take up a lot of unnecessary real-estate on my already cluttered desk. There is also an interesting video of what I presume is a pre-commercial prototype demo ORBO power box designed to charge cell phones. The prototype has reportedly been extensively test driven is at Slattery's Pub in Dublin, which is "...well known to be the favorite social establishment of Steorn's CEO Shaun McCarthy." Slattery's Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/slatterys.pub/posts/778493042246379 Ending on a humorous note, in the video at Slattery's someone with a voice that sounds like Shaun McCarthy explains how to ORBO device works. Someone off camera asks how the box is powered? "Powered by Guinness", the Shaun-like voice quips. Whether the voice is really Shaun or not is pure speculation on my part. ORBO or not, I think I would like to visit Slattery's just for a Guinness! That's product placement for you. The saga continues... Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:STEORN in the news again:
Jones, always presenting the Vort Collective with the perception of the quintessential cynic spiced with a well-researched conspiratorial slant! And Jed, countering much of that spice with a more practical no-nonsense POV. Both POVs, I find valuable. Agreed, the probability that this latest episode will pan out is about as likely as discovering a patch of land south of the South Pole - to paraphrase a saying Dr. Robert Park coined while expressing his adamant disbelief for the existence of hydrinos. Fortunately, it costs me nothing to keep watching the continuing saga unfold from the Peanut Gallery. What I find interesting is that throughout all of these years the company apparently hasn't gone belly up. Despite all of its prior... how should I say this... spectacular failures, how is it possible for Steorn to continue to stay afloat? I confess, during weaker moments I find myself speculating that the outfit must have deliberately orchestrated a number of well-publicized failures just to shake the competition off of their tail while continuing to perfect their super-secret product line behind closed doors. In all honesty, I serious doubt that line-of-thought. Just too damned conspiratorial for my own blood. What comes next? Can somebody please pass the popcorn my way? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:New Article on Brillouin, and my response
>From Jed: > Dreams do come true, so be careful what you wish for. I dreamed of having > a computer of my own, after seeing one at the Census Bureau at age 8. > When I grew up I did have one. It was the first expensive item I bought > as an adult. That was a very prophetic dream you had, Jed, and at the age of eight. Let me reciprocate with a similar dream I had when I was about 9 or 10 years old and living out on Guam. This was back in the early 1960s. I had a vivid dream one night where I felt the presence of teachers who were nearby but out of my sight. They were telling me interesting things about a magical box they had placed in front of me. I got the impression the box could make my dreams come true. I got the impression that I could put my dreams into the box, and then box would eventually reciprocate with the outward externalization of those dreams. It was a very strong dream. I didn't know what that magical box was - but I knew I wanted one. It was, of course, the personal computer. Back then I have no idea what a computer was, let alone a personal computer. Personal computers have helped me externalize my visionary dreams in the form of digital paintings as well as my compositions. Perhaps if I'm lucky that same magic box will also eventually assist me in my ongoing Kepler research. But that remains to be seen. Hey! Two out of three ain't bad. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Re: Fred Zoepfl
I did read the "Simple theory may explain dark matter" article supplied by Axil. http://phys.org/news/2013-06-simple-theory-dark.html Excerpt: There are a great many different theories about the nature of dark matter. What I like about this theory is its simplicity, uniqueness and the fact that it can be tested," said Scherrer. Proposing the concept of confining a magnetic field within the topology of a torus is an interesting idea. I gather this configuration has been verified in certain physics experiments such as in atoms of cesium-133 and ytterbium-174. Now, if I can just figure out what a Majorana fermion (or particle) is. I gather it has been difficult to detect... like hydrinos. More excerpts: "Further, the model makes very specific predictions about the rate at which it should show up in the vast dark matter detectors that are buried underground all over the world. These predictions show that soon the existence of anapole dark matter should either be discovered or ruled out by these experiments." Good! That's what I like to see. A practical way of either verifying or falsifying the theory. I wait for the results. If the findings are positive, this would likely motivate me to want to bone up on the subject in a more serious way. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Re: Fred Zoepfl
Thank you for making the effort, Axil. I bookmarked all three articles for possible future reference. The Anapole dark matter article appears to possess a lot of complicated algebra. But at least it's not 20 pages of integrals. FYI, since my retirement I have acquired a very full class schedule of subjects that I'm in the process of trying to acquire a better understanding of. This includes occasionally torturing myself with courses on 1st, 2nd, & 3rd semester calculus, brought to you by The Teaching Company. The company often offers significant discounts on all course materials. You just have to be patient in waiting for what you're interested in being offered at discounted prices. Just about everything gets discounted twice a year. At present trying to understand Calculus takes priority over exposing myself to the controversial mysteries of Rydberg matter. Fortunately for me, learning calculus isn't considered a controversial or disputed topic. See: www.thegreatcourses.com OTOH, I can go out to Wikipedia (which is every one's favorite source of getting to the truth of the "matter" ;-) ) and read the cliff notes on Rydberg matter. Granted, the info out there is exceedingly sparse, and the subject material is being contested by the Wiki police... Wiki sez: This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page. A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. (January 2010) This article needs attention from an expert on the subject. (June 2014) What little I've read so far on Rydberg matter pretty much convinces me of the fact that the subject is going to be way over my head. There appears to be no simple or elegant way to represent basic information to give a beginner student any kind of incentive to attempt to inculcate the basics. Based on the contents out in the brief Wiki article alone... I can see why Randy's Classical Physics model of the hydrino appears to be a much more appealing hypothesis for Dark Matter - particularly to Randy's dedicated supporters. Over the years I've gotten the impression that are other members within the Vort Collective, besides Axil, that strongly lean in favor of the Rydberg Matter hypothesis. Jones? Are you possibly one of them? Fran? I sure would like to hear some distilled reasoning from other Rydberg Matter supporters, and why this mysterious and most likely misunderstood form of matter deserves serious consideration for the candidacy of Dark Matter. Can that be done without resorting to a plethora of integrals? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Re: Fred Zoepfl
>From Eric, > Software developers are generally skeptical of the scope and accuracy > of mathematical models and see their application primarily as a > curve-fitting problem That is an accurate description Eric. I think I'll be doing a lot of that for the next couple years. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Re: Fred Zoepfl
>From Axil: > If there was no need for nuclear power, there would be no need for > uranium enrichment or plutonium production. Without the need for engineers > to keep nuclear power plants going, their would be no knowhow to produce > H-bombs. Unfortunately, I did not make my POV sufficiently clear. When I used the term "nuclear physics" I was not using in terms of developing another fission power plant. I was using in terms of academic education. I suspect universities will still have to teach some form of "nuclear physics" along with the evolution of quantum mechanics. I suspect advanced students will still have to learn the basic principles of "nuclear physics". Granted, assuming LENR eventually proves its mettle, the current field of "nuclear physics" and quantum mechanics will most likely learn to adapt or incorporate what LENR has to offer to the negotiation table. That goes for incorporating Dr. Mills' BLP Classical Physics concepts as well. This assumes the audacious startup can ever get off the ground. BLP's latest switcheroo to an alleged solid state "SunCell" engineering effort with no plans to reveal anything to the public about what the new solid state engineering entails is likely to make the company vulnerable to considerable amount of skeptical skewering. But, of course, BLP doesn't care what the peanut gallery or what stalwart skeptics have to say. Last summer BLP managed to secure millions of dollars of additional funding to keep them afloat. But all that generous funding had been based on engineering principals involving moving parts that have now been apparently abandoned as BLP now pursues a new Solid state engineering concept. Unfortunately, none of us in the peanut gallery have a clue as to what the solid state engineering might entail. Needless to say, with nothing to go on, I have my doubts. Stalwart skeptics love this kind of switcheroo behavior. Can't say I blame them. As for future generations not acquiring the knowledge to produce a couple of nasty H-Bombs or dirty bombs, I think it is exceedingly naive to assume countries like North Korea and similar types of tribal/family-run businesses would not brush up on leaning old skills. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Subject: FORTH computer language
Fun stuff there, Hoyt and Eric. Hoyt, are you "Scotty?" This brings up my early university studies of learning assembly language. Assembly & Machine language programming is another lost art within the computer science field. Few universities teach assembly language these days. That concerns me. Most programmers these days have no clue whatsoever as to what happens at the machine level. I must confess learning assembly language for me had initially been excruciatingly difficult. It took a part-time McDonald's swing manager sitting me down during an evening break and explaining a fundamental machine language principle that had completely baffled me. Initially, I didn't understand the fact that instructions AND data could be stored interchangeably in the same locations of core memory. Once I understand the utter simplicity of that paradigm, there was no holding me back. Back then when I was a UW Madison student, I was working at a McDonalds store that catered to the lunch break of the University crowd. The swing manager who had obviously taken some CS courses, and who was instrumental in getting me to understand a major fundamental CS principal about low-level programming concepts, was himself a psychology major. Go figure. I hope he's doing well. He sure was helpful in straightening out some of my CS confusions. Back then few beginning computer students had access to programming in an assembly language environment. Granted, there were a lot of PDP mini computers installed in the CS building, but you had to be a more advanced CS student in order to gain access to them and the machine instruction set. Those were 400+ level courses. For the masses: Fortran, Algol and Pascal were the rage. ... and nobody talked about COBOL. After all, the computer science department was an academic institution, not a business establishment. Of course, in my case, it was learning COBOL at Madison Area Technical College (located at the other side of town;-) ) that got me a good paying job that ultimately lasted 36 years working for the state of Wisconsin till I retired last December. CS students learned assembly language by initially practicing with Donald's Knuth's MIX language. MIX was an elegant representation of a simulation of assembly language. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIX I had a lot of fun learning how to program within a simulated core of 4k memory. MIX taught me how to be efficient in both compacting the size of my programs as well as making them execute quickly. In one contest I came in 2nd best for designing a program that was both the fastest as well as taking up as few machine instructions as possible within core memory. The class was assigned the task of adding up Fibonacci numbers. Someone in the class figured out how to do the same function with one less machine instruction than my program. I wish I had found out who that person was. I would have loved to have compared notes. These days I use Microsoft Visual Studio Profession - 2013. I'll probably upgrade to 2015 or later version reasonably soon. My Kepler project is being written primarily in C#. It's a decent language. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Re: Fred Zoepfl
>From Cook, ... > As Jones pointed out—they should have and should now “think small and modular > “. Several years ago I recall reading a Kiplinger Forecast that stated there are smaller modular oriented nuclear power designs in the works. I seem to recall Toshiba may be one of the principal participants. See: http://www.toshiba.com/tane/ I think one of the on-going plans was to retrofit and update designs originally configured to power nuclear submarines. Apparently the assumption was that there would be profits to be made constructing smaller modular nuclear power plants for locations in remote areas of the planet. As an example, I think they stated a modular plant based up in remote parts of Canada located near the huge tar oil sands would be put to use in liquefying the crude oil. I gather the assumption was that using a small modular nuclear plant to generate sufficient amounts of heat would be cheaper and perhaps more environmentally friendly as compared to burning a lot of oil to generate the necessary heat. As I understand the situation, the process burns up a lot of oil in order to get the tar sufficiently liquefied for transport. I think one of the biggest complaints, besides the fact that the tar is filled with loads of impurities (a matter Al Gore incessantly harped about), is the obvious fact that the process belches out a huge amount of CO2 into the atmosphere. I wonder how these modular designs are proceeding. I wonder if they are still considered economically viable in remote areas. At first glance, it does seem to be a sensible alternative. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Re: Fred Zoepfl
>From Axil: > We know that Dark Matter is a result of Rydberg matter that > exists as a preferred form of hydrogen that is spread widely > throughout the universe. FWIW, it disturbs me to no end reading a Vort post that portrays speculative assumptions (however tantalizing those assumptions may be to some within the Collective) as undisputed fact. It's no different than hearing another so called undisputed fact claiming that hydrinos make up dark matter. One can get their fill of the hydrino model over at Dr. Mills' SCP group. It is enthusiastically supported by the BLP cheer leading squad. ((I suspect some of them were very happy to see me barred.) So which is it, Axil? Rydberg matter, or hydrinos? I suspect you'd have a real fight on your hands if you decided to correct SCP's presumed misconceptions about the explanation for Dark Matter. Quite frankly, I don't know which model is the correct one, or perhaps I should say: The more accurate one. Perhaps in the end it may turn out to be the case that it's neither. I'm going to sit on the fence some more and see what shakes out. Sadly, I think it's going to continue to be a long wait. Under the circumstance the best thing for me to do is try not generate posts filled with tantalizing speculation passed off as undisputed fact. Granted, that is easier said than done at times. Nobody is perfect. Full disclosure: I admit my ignorance of the Rydberg matter model. Is there a reasonably brief explanation of the model posted somewhere that I might be able to read up on... hopefully an explanation that doesn't involve 20 pages of Integrals? At present all I have to go on is the suspicion that Hydrinos and Rydberg matter seem to be strongly related to each other, as if they are kissing cousins. As in the case of hydrinos, over the years I've acquired a vague impression that much of Rydberg matter involves altered states of hydrogen. Is that a correct assumption, or am I wrong on that? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Subject: off topic android
Frank, I wouldn't get too concerned about OT issues clogging up the Vort Collective. As the presidential elections draw closer, based on the previous election cycles, one can imagine what will happen within the continuum. It will return to normalcy afterwards. I suspect the younger generation will be interested in your android app once it's more fully developed. If it can control MIDI devices, you are likely to have some interest there. OTOH, I suspect your app is not likely to pique the interest of the older generation, like me. A tablet/cell phone display window is just too small for 60+ year old eyes! However, there are always exceptions to the rule. Incidentally, my wife and I just purchased two new Samsung Android cell phones. Looks like we are joining the android crowd despite the fact that my wife uses the IPad 2 tablet. I personally use a Samsung Galaxy note 12 Inch tablet. We can make the letters & numbers larger on our androids. I mentioned my desktop Sonar Producer software application because I enjoy creating full-fledged compositions using all the s/w tools I can get my hands on, assuming I can afford them. I need all the desktop real estate I can get my hands on. I'm pretty comfortable using Microsoft's Visual Studio Professional edition. I'm using the VS package in my Kepler research efforts. I'm fluent in both VB and C#. I could probably handle C++ if forced to, but I'd rather not. Never learned JAVA. I programmed in C back in the 1980s when I was a troglodyte computer programmer for Space Astronomy Lab, Madison, Wisconsin. I wrote GSE (Ground Support Equipment) software. Programmed primarily in C and FORTH. FORTH is an interesting RPN (Reverse Polish Notation) programming language. Quite primitive, but deceptively powerful once you get a handle of it. Indeed, would suspect Jed would be interested in a thread discussing a CF thermal runway situation. Wouldn't we all. Wait a minute... didn't that happen to Rossi a couple of times when he first stumbled across the mysterious "Rossi Effect"? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Re: Fred Zoepfl
>From Axil, > The advent of LENR will destroy nuclear physics. ... Where have I heard phrases like this before? Oh yes, over at Dr. Mills' SCP group. Just substitute "SunCell technology" for "LENR" and I think you'd fit right in with the BLP cheering squad. I've heard phrases like this elsewhere as well... I realize this is just a picky personal gripe of mine but when I hear phrases like the above coming from both Vortex and the SCP group, it occasionally sounds not all that different to me than listening to a group of fundamentalist Christians waxing on and on about how everything will be set right once the second coming gets underway. IMHO, nuclear physics will not be destroyed by the advent of LENR. I think it will adapt. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Fred Zoepfl
Frank, A decent review from Reigh who presumably has read your book and took the time to digest the contents and the ramifications. FYI, I have not read your book. I have no right to challenge it nor trash it. Despite my ignorance, I think I can say with some conviction that you are one of the most honest (honorary) boy scouts I've ever met on Vortex. I perceive one of your life's goals is to challenge the establishment. I suspect the curious will buy your book because they enjoy the challenge of having their current perceptions of physics challenged. And, of course, stalwarts will continue to trash it for the very same reasons, because they hate having their current perceptions of physics challenged. Let me put it this way, Frank, you are performing your job well. Granted, it's possible you may not enjoy aspects of your job at times, but that's the way the egg rolls. FWIW, I suspect my own ongoing research into Keplerian laws of planetary motion, if I ever accumulate enuf data to publish the results, will most likely be ignored by the establishment as well. My findings may be ridiculed. For example, I suspect I would most likely be laughed off the stage if I were to challenge the establishment by claiming that the heliocentric view of the solar system is NOT the only correct (or most accurate) representation of planetary motion. The prior geocentric model may also still work. IOW, it's possible that both models are not incompatible with each other. It's possible that the prior geocentric model failed because they used the wrong engineering configuration backed with incorrect math. My suspicion is that it's all a matter of establishing a point-of-view ... and then backing it up some appropriate math which hopefully will not turn out to be too complicated. Kepler 1st law states a planetary body rotates around a central mass fixed at one of two foci of an ellipse. Curiously, nobody has yet been able to determine what the other (empty) foci is doing. What planetary laws of motion might be governing what's happening at the empty (or imaginary) foci? I think Nature abhors a vacuum. Therefore, some kind of law may very well exist there - perhaps even a fascinating one. One possibility I thought about is that the angular change of the planetary position remains constant at the "empty" foci. Decades ago I checked out this possibility. While it is somewhat close, it is definitely NOT correct. I'm sure Kepler hundreds of years ago tired this out and noticed it did not match either, as have others since then. Dang! It would have been so elegant if it did match up! But Mother Nature said, No! You'll have to dig a little deeper to fathom my secretes. And so, my quixotic journey to discover what might be happening at the imaginary foci continues. I may succeed in my boy scout quest, or I may fail. But try, I must. Sancho keeps telling me: That's the way the egg rolls. ;-) I think most readers of such reviews can read between the lines and discern that Mr. Zoepfl most likely took the contents of your unread book as an unwanted challenge to his current perception of physics & reality. Zoepfl's review filled with unwarranted adjectives and disparaging characterizations of your intelligence is likely backfire on him, particularly if his objective had been to get you tar and feathered. It could very well make the curious even more curious. Why? Becuz the bright ones with the quixotic mind-set love to be challenged. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:New Article on Brillouin, and my response
from Jed, ... > I do not recall seeing any information from Godes describing the actual > calorimetry or performance of any of his existing reactors, or previous > reactors. He has always talked about what he hopes to accomplish, not what > he has accomplished. I have asked him in person what power levels, > temperatures and what method of calorimetry he uses. He did not respond. This strikes me as a house of cards waiting to collapse. The above commentary pretty much explains the situation to me. It saddens me. It's as if one hopes one's theoretical research will eventually save the day by simply extrapolating the original configuration (of one's dreams) within the confines of a CAD configuration. Perhaps the dream will eventually jump out of the dream-state and miraculously transform into physical reality. When I was a small child I often wished that certain aspects pertaining to my lucid dreams would make an effort to jump into the realm of my physical reality. Who wouldn't enjoy being able to fly! Alas, they never obliged. It is perhaps ironic of me to say this since much my own personal work is largely confined to the confines theoretical research and computer simulations these days. Granted, theoretical research and computer simulations most certainly have their place. But hopefully, I know my place in the greater scheme of things. Experimental evidence always trumps theory. I wish Mr. Trump understood this. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Subject: off topic android
Frank, I like the fact that you added note letters at both ends of the app. The video was however difficult to watch since I presume you used your cell phone to video it holding it in the traditional vertical position. When I watched it everything was sideways. I had to tilt my head. That was a pain in the neck! It looks like you are designing the app to use traditional musical score. I have more to say on that matter... I use a sophisticated MIDI music sequencer created by Cakewalk. It's called Sonar X3 - Producer edition. It's on par with Pro Tools except that it's much cheaper to purchase. It only runs on Windows platforms - no apple or android. I've created a lot of computer compositions with the application going all the way back to the 1990s. (As you wisely pointed out, it's important to take some breaks from CF work.) FWIW, I never compose music on my PC using traditional musical score notation. I tried to use traditional musical notation at first, but found it to be extremely limiting since you need to be able to place some notes out-of-sequence in order to generate a more human touch to one's music. This is especially the case if one is improvising or playing jazz. I don't know anybody who uses traditional musical notation when composing on a PC monitor screen. This is especially the case if one is using MIDI. With a piano role configuration you can still add note letters at both ends. You can also grey the horizontal "black" minor keys bands. The major horizontal bands can remain white. This is useful to help distinguish the horizontal minor and major notes from each other on the monitor screen. When composing I use three HD monitor screens, and yet, I still don't have enuf desktop space. I'm considering getting a ultra-high 4K monitor. That would be the equivalent of 4 HD monitors. 4K HD monitor prices are gradually coming down. I cannot imagine myself composing or playing music on an iPad or Android device. NTL, I know there are younger tykes who do just that. Guess I'm too much of an old fart at 63 years old. I need glasses too. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Fred Zoepfl
I noticed all five reviews that are currently displayed are very positive. Four reviewers gave your book five stars. Only one gave 4 stars. That's not bad. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Fred Zoepfl
Sorry to hear about that Frank, The world is full of pompous asses. Perhaps it's the pending presidential election which tends to bring out the best and worst of us. When I was in Washington, south of Seattle, last week I saw accompanying two bumper stickers on a back of a pickup. The 2st sticker on the left side of the bumper had a photo of Trump it sed: Trump in 2016 The 2nd sticker on the right side of the bumper had a photo of Hillary it sed: Trump that B1TCH. FYI, those who may be new to Vortex, you may notice an increase in OT threads pertaining to presidential election issues. It will reach a frenzy leading up to election night. Things will go back to normal in Vortex land afterwards. Be patient. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi Granted E-Cat Patent by US Patent Office !!
Jed sez: > Not costly or difficult if you are a phosita! > To paraphrase Dirty Harry: Ask yourself: > Do I pheel like a phosita? Well, do ya, punk? A man's gotta know his limitations. ;-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2JnCXvm_Qc Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi Granted E-Cat Patent by US Patent Office !!
I'm guessing the question most of us are asking at this point is whether an independent replication effort will be performed based on Rossi's latest patent filing information. Perhaps I'm mistaken on this point but I'm guessing an independent setup & test shouldn't be all that costly to do. Who might be invested or motivated enough to do it? What does the peanut gallery have to say? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Even the most reliable industrial meters can fail - cats - fenced-in Texas
From Terry NO! Don't listen to Ol' Bab: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/24/vet-kills-cat-arrow-photo-charges_n_7656706.html Very distressing to read. I guess the famous Hippocratic oath Thou shalt do no harm doesn't necessarily apply in cases like this. What bothers me the most is the betrayal of the human/cat/dog relationship. As any dog or cat owner will attest, there is a unique kind of inter-species trust that is built up between the human and the life-time of their pet. To betray that trust would tear me apart. RIP, Tiger. When you come back, try another state besides Texas. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Even the most reliable industrial meters can fail
From Terry, Would those invisible fences with the shock collar work on a cat? They're a lot less expensive and seem to work for dogs. We actually discussed the matter. My wife thinks the shock treatment would be disastrous to try on our outdoor cat. She may be right. If we are ultimately forced to enforce 24 hour house arrest on our cat I would prefer to install a cat recommended fence such as those approved by Jackson Galaxy, the creator of My Cat from Hell TV series seen on the Animal Planet. Photo examples of cat proof fences: http://store.purrfectfence.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=KIT- https://catnipsfelineadvicepage.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/katzecure-double-rollars.jpg https://catnipsfelineadvicepage.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/chicken-wire-cat-proof-fence.jpg https://catnipsfelineadvicepage.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/winter-cat-proofing.jpg Some designs are rather creative like the katzecure double rollers. Cats don't like climbing up fences where they are forced to climb upside down to get out. Unfortunately, most of these designs tend to make your property look like a mini-state penitentiary. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Even the most reliable industrial meters can fail - cats - fenced-in Texas
From David, [snip] ... AFAICT every subdivision provides, and insists on the maintenance of, fences surrounding the back yards. About 6 feet tall, wood, cat-proof at least when new. Unless your cat likes to jump! I’ll take your advice and not move to Texas. Incidentally jumping a 6 foot fences would not be a problem for Charm. I think she’s part gazelle. Incidentally, last year she had major surgery to remove the ball socket to her left hip when it got dislocated. Apparently, it’s not uncommon where the vet can’t get a cat hip ball socket joint to go back in place. Removing a ball socket sounds draconian but actually it turns out not to slow down most cats. I think Charm has achieved 95% recovery. Jump a six foot fence? No problemo. I wonder if my disagreeable neighbor came from Texas. Sounds very isolating where you live. Do you feel fenced in? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Self- charging battery ADGEX
From Jones, There is a recent announcement making the rounds this morning - for a self-charging battery which is apparently now in production in Australia, for use in a flashlight. Apparently, the inventor thinks he can capture Schumann resonance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VYC8K77MSc http://trade.adgex.com.au/elfe#tabs-6 http://www.adgex.com/News/tabid/69/EntryId/2077/NICKEL-CADMIUM-ACCUMULATORS- OF-ADGEX-ENERGY.aspx [snip] Who within the Vort Collective would like to volunteer to keep a casual watch on this development? I volunteered myself to watch Black Light Power until I recently got defrocked. One would therefore think I might have a lot of free time on my hands to pursue such a task. Curiously though, since I retired the opposite seems to have happened. I'm not complaining. Doing what I want to do versus what others want me to do for them does not seem to be a problem for me. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Even the most reliable industrial meters can fail
Jed, I hope you can get the county to respond to your latest measurement. In regarding to city matters, I think you are likely to get a better ending than what our household is currently dealing with. We have a new neighbor who is threatening to call the city police or animal control to get one of our two cats, an outdoor cat, Charm, incarcerated and us fined if he ever finds our cat on his 2nd floor balcony again in the future. Charm is a rescue we picked up at an Idaho rest stop about 3 years ago. She is very adventurous. We learned long ago we couldn't keep Charm incarcerated in our home all day. She needed outdoor time or else there was hell to pay. This neighbor moved into our neighborhood a year ago. Ironically, the previous home owner, he purchased the house from, who is now deceased, liked Charm's visitations to his 2nd floor balcony. IOW, our cat, Charm, felt accepted at that house. But now, a new cat-unfriendly neighbor has moved in and apparently he really hates cats. He believes all cats are destructive predators - bird murderers. We want to respect our new neighbor's desire that our cat no longer visit his house. But that is difficult to accomplish when the new neighbor does not want to accept from us articles like cat repellants (free of charge) that would give our cat incentive not to visit his property and 2nd floor balcony anymore. Apparently, our new neighbor would prefer to wait for our cat to once again visit his balcony so that he can call animal control and get Charm incarcerated and us fined. Complicating matters, there are city ordinances that tell us that all outdoor dogs and cats must be on leashes no longer than 6 feet. BTW, this leash law is routinely ignored as most dog owners have leashes that extend out to 10 - 15 feet. I noticed the city ordinances cited the word dog 25 times and the word cat 6 times. It's more than at 4 to 1 ratio of dog issues versus cat issues. While well-meaning I think cats got incorporated into the city ordinance leash law as a form of collateral damage. In any case this neighbor has the law on his side. Technically he can get us fined if Charm shows up again. At present there are several neighbors with outdoor cats that have now become concerned about whether this person might go after their outdoor cat as well. I've asked my neighborhood alder as well as the president of our neighborhood association for insight on the matter. I asked if either one knew of an organization that specializes in conflict resolution to help diffuse neighborhood issues like this. While both were polite in their responses to me, but it's pretty clear that neither one wanted to have anything to do with our outdoor cat situation. Since our cat being outdoors unleashed is technically breaking city ordinances, we are breaking the law. In the eyes of the city ordinance we are the bad guys. From my point of view, our household may end up being abused by the enforcement of a city ordinance that nobody had really given a damn about until a passive-aggressive neighbor with ideological bent decided to press the issue by getting the city to do his bullying for him. What a deal for him. At present, we are not sure how this is all going to go down. There are many options we are considering. Some options are exceedingly expensive like putting up a cat proof perimeter around our property. I detest the idea, and not just because it would be expensive. It would make our house and surrounding property look like a mini-state penitentiary. If we are forced to do this it would be as if this neighbor had successfully enacted a city ordinance primarily to get his own ideological needs met, an ordinance that nobody in the past had had given a damn about. All this just to imprison out cat and get us fined. It would be as if he had symbolically imprisoned us as well. After he deals with us what other cat household might be on the chopping block next? That's another reason I don't want to do this. There comes a point where you have to take a stand. The city ordinance against cats is ill advised. There are far better ways of dealing with such matters other than ignoring sincere assistance from willing neighbors in preference to calling animal control and extracting expensive fines. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 4:09 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Even the most reliable industrial meters can fail I have often commented that industrial grade equipment is extremely reliable. You bet your life on it every time you fly in an airplane, for example. But even though meters and sensors are reliable, airplanes have redundant backup systems, for good reason. No matter how good equipment may be, it can always fail. Particularly if that equipment is . . . a computer printer or a flowmeter
RE: [Vo]:A 21st Century Case for Gold: A New Information Theory of Money.
From Eric This is the reason I've never understood the appeal of gold or bitcoin. The urge to take the control of the amount of money in circulation out of the hands of central banks seems to disregard the danger of deflation. I'm baffled that there still exist politicians who want us to go back to the gold standard, believing that doing so would ensure the safety of U.S. currency. I think not. The appeal for gold is based on an illusion that gold has some kind of mystical value of its own, as if the it was ordained by God. I doubt God cares. Neither is paving the streets of heaven with pure gold (as Thomas Malloy, once envisioned) recommended due to its soft pliability. In no time there would be scuff marks and ruts. I wonder if there exist road repair jobs in heaven. Going back to a gold standard is insane. FDR got rid of it back in 1933. Later, Nixon and G. Ford fiddled with how much gold U.S. citizens could purchase. I believe part of the problem was due to the fact that U.S. gold reserves held in Fort Knox was in the process of being decimated as other nations tried to convert their national currency reserves into gold. By 1971 the U.S. went completely off the gold standard, allowing the price of the precious metal to float from a fixed $35.00 price to current market value. The price is currently hovering over $1,100. Gold was much higher not all that long ago. The more perceived angst there is in the world, the pricey gold gets, and vice versa. Given the topic of bitcoin currency being raised in this discussion I suspect inflation might be more likely of some concern rather than the ravages of deflation. Speaking of inflation, it's really another form of taxing the entire nation. When the effects of inflation end up costing you more to purchase a product or service, it is no different than having to pay a tax on the same item when you are living on a fixed income. When a nation experiences moderate inflation, wealth is being reallocated. Not surprisingly the wealthy tend to weather taxation by inflation far better than who are typically living on limited fixed incomes. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Rossi beware!
From Axil: ... Rossi realty doesn't know what is happening inside the Hot cat...it new... but there is no free lunch in this world. For all those who care for Rossi's welfare. convince him to leave that shipping container. I wouldn't be surprised that Rossi doesn't have a firm understanding of what's happening either. But that pretty much describes any inventor, researcher, or scientist who by fate stumbles across a phenomenon that does not fit the text books. I gather you suspect Rossi is now in mortal danger of frying himself as he continues to stroke his kitties. I guess your concern for Rossi's health is touching. How long has Rossi been working hands-on in this field? And how much hands-on experience have you personally accumulated? If you have accumulated some hands-on experience please feel free to list some of that personal experience of yours so that I, too, can start feeling some concern for Rossi's fate. Otherwise... Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?
From Terry, Speaking of cynicism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiKBISeIySo It's not easy being green ... I thought you weren't green. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?
One thing I've learned about Jones over the years is that when someone is gullible enough to attack his personal assessments on LENR subjects I can pretty much expect that instead of defending his positions he will immediately launch a strong offense. Doing so, Jones is more than capable of skewering the opposition, leaving many visibly injured in some way. It can be particularly entertaining when Jed and Jones go at it since both I'd say are pretty evenly matched. Another Jed Jones debate can occasionally be educational too. It's been a while since the Collective has seen another rematch between these two veteran Vort titans. Perhaps I'm getting bored. Jones, personally, I think your assessment of Rossi comes off as a bit too cynical for me. However, I can understand why many remain deeply cynical of the man. It's not as if this mercurial Italian hasn't contributed to his own undoing, from all the confusion and disillusion he has strewn about across net. As you might know I was recently kicked off Dr. Mills' Society of Classical Physics discussion group. I became too persistent in suggesting that BLP might want to perform another public black box SunCell demonstration that gives the audience (the Peanut Gallery) some kind of evidence (however minute it might be) as to why they have now apparently converted over to a new no-moving-parts or solid state-like technology. Dr. Mills, the CEO of a private company, disagreed that he needed to offer-up any type of a demonstration, as was his right to do so. I gather my persistence eventually got his ire. There's that old saying: (1) The boss is always right. (2) If you think the boss is wrong, see rule (1). One would think I ought to feel irate and angry about having been defrocked. As best as I can tell, I'm not. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do, and so did Dr. Mills. It's not easy being a CEO. I can see how just trying to manage the politics of a start-up company day in and day out can be without a doubt the worst part of the job. IMHO, I suspect I don't know any more about the veracity of Dr. Mills' claims any more than you might know about Rossi's. I try not to predict what Rossi or Dr. Mills will attempt to accomplish, or fail at next. I just try my best to keep on watching these two enigmas with as little judgment as possible. That way I end up feeling less inclined to constantly end up having to defend myself when someone feels personally offended that my opinions don' coincide with theirs. I saw a lot of that kind of defensive behavior over at the SCP discussion group coming from the cheerleading section. Constantly defending myself, I've found it to be a huge waste of my precious time. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?
From Ashfield, ... The good news is that Aftenposten, Norway's largest newspaper , has reported they have expert third party confirmation that Rossi's 1 MW thermal LENR plant is working well. It is now at about 168 days of the 350 day trial. If, as now looks likely, LENR works, it should solve a lot of problems. I must confess that I have been remiss in keeping track of Rossi's 350 day 1 MW thermal LENR plant trial. Assuming this latest trial completes and the data looks good... what happens next? I don't know enough about this latest trial experiment to grok whether the engineering technology involved would be considered reliable enough or even sufficiently understood such that the components currently be used could presumably be re-engineered into the design of an actual commercial product. I may be mistaken on this point, but I'm assuming an attempt to design an actual commercial product would be the next logical step - perhaps not to private individuals but for some kind of industrial use, perhaps for heating large factory buildings cheaply. I'm assuming industrial oriented safety restrictions could be better enforced in ways that could not easily be done if sold to the private sector. Would components from the Vort Collective continuum care to comment? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?
Thanks Frank, Due to numerous personal distractions that are constantly invading my life I sort of got out of the habit of keeping tabs of e-Cat world. Perhaps I should try to remedy that. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:A 21st Century Case for Gold: A New Information Theory of Money.
Adrian, I read your paper. It's very good. For a six page WORD doc it manages to cast significant light on the socio-economic complexities our society is in the process of inheriting such as advancing robotics, AI, and automation. The Vort Collective has been debating many of these issues for years. I retired last December. In a sense, I have now graduated to the status of a person who enjoys UBI via through the economic mechanisms of retirement annuities and social security. I'm a reasonably lucky citizen of the United States. I have acquired modest UBI allowing our household to pay the bills, feed our two cats and keep them entertained, and perhaps even take a budget vacation every other year. It distresses me that too many in our society aren't as lucky as our household has been. Being lucky should NOT be a major factor in how one hopes to live the remaining years of their lives with some dignity. With advanced automation, robotics and AI, it seems reasonable for me to predict that the retirement age will come earlier and earlier. Eventually we will stop calling it retirement when we start retiring in our mid 30s. Perhaps we will call it: Reaching the Age of Maturity. Before reaching maturity society may require us to choose from a selection of mandatory services we must perform in service to society. We may be required to do this service for perhaps up to 10 - 15 years, like joining the peace core, or building essential infrastructure like roads bridges. This is to assure that essential infrastructure remains intact. Of course, during your years of mandatory service, you will be given UBI. However, in order to share in the collective wealth of the nation for the rest of your remaining years you must first give unto it according to your experience, unique skill sets and education. After one reaches the age of Maturity you are given permanent UBI status for the remaining years of your life. It is up to you to make the best of the rest of your remaining years. I remain optimistic that most will attempt to do just that. Start up a unique and eccentric business. Become a popular well sought-out artist or musician within your local community. Perform theoretical research in some obscure subject that eventually becomes a key component that helps explain how to fold space and make space travel between stars economically possible. RAISE A CHILD FROM INFANCY TO ADULTHOOD. If you don't think that isn't a full-time job! I think most of us will have a strong desire to leave our planet in a better place before we finally head for the recycling bin ourselves. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Ruins of Japanese Emperor's WWII bombshelter
Thanks for the translation Jed. I lived in Japan with my parents back around 1954-56. I reckon I was around 2 years when we moved there. It would have been a good age to learn a 2nd language - if only I lived there longer. I am reminded of the 1980s TV Miniseries Shogun, staring Richard Chamberlain and Toshirô Mifune. As a lost sea captain who gets stranded in Feudal Japan, Blackthorne (R. Chamberlain) along with his crew must learn how to understand the complexities of the Japanese feudal culture, or else die. It's your basic rags to riches story. The miniseries was widely popular and fun for me to watch. One of the little things we learn during the show is that that the Japanese language is apparently better equipped than many western languages in the art of deflecting one's response in regards to something you really don't want to answer outright. As I understand it, it was one of the ways an individual could maintain some sense of privacy within a culture where the concept of privacy, insofar as the civilization was concerned, had little value. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects
From Jed, So corporations are pretty much ruled out. They cannot do cold fusion research even if they want to, because it will not lead to immediate profits. Also because the stockholders and Wall Street speculators would be outraged to learn that a corporation is doing cold fusion. IMO, it is conceivable that Dr. Randall Mills' Blacklight Power company may be pushing the envelope on that matter. Over the decades BLP, a privately owned RD company, has managed to receive millions of dollars from rich angel investors in order to prove they can build a new kind of technology capable of generating energy through the exploitation of a controversial (and presumably cheap) new energy source. The process strikes many of us on this list as being somewhat similar to LENR. Again, I say: Somewhat similar. Dr. Mills would vehemently disagree there is any similarity between his hydrinos and any kind of LENR research. Dr. Mills would then attempt to drive a stake in the heart of all LENR research and researchers, proclaiming the community is primarily made up of faulty researchers who are for the most part incapable of conducing proper experiments. Lately, I noticed there have been some members who have become brave enough to debate LENR research over at Dr. Mills' Society of Classical Physics Yahoo group. Needless to say, Dr. Mills does not seem particularly interested in letting LENR debate progress too far in his discussion group. I can't really blame him since they are supposed to focus on Classical Physics matters. I believe there are a number of really smart cookies doing their best to comprehend how Dr. Mills Classical Physics is supposed to work. Many of them ask questions that involve a lot of scary-looking mathematical formulas. I commend their efforts. OTOH, what did bug me was the existence of a group of cheerleaders who tended to congratulate Dr. Mills for every new alleged breakthrough BLP claimed had just transpired. No questions asked. The latest alleged BLP breakthrough involved transforming SunCell Technology from a moving parts engineering project to a brand new non-moving solid-state engineering project. If true, it would presumably be a huge improvement. I asked Dr. Mills if BLP would be willing to assemble some kind of a black box experimental demonstration that could show everyone that the new solid state direction BLP is taking is not just smoke and mirrors. I argued it would help quell negative commentary from pathological skeptics if BLP could show something new indeed was happening. I stressed it would need to be some kind of black box demonstration that would not reveal any proprietary details. By making such a request, repeatedly so I might add, I ended up upsetting the cheerleading section. A few went after me for challenging Dr. Mills. One even called my persistence passive aggressive. To make a long story short, I was eventually canned from the list. Despite my defrocking, I continue to bare no ill-will towards Dr. Mills or BLP, and especially towards the moderator who privately treated me with the upmost respect. Truth of the matter, Dr. Mills was never under any obligation to show and/or demonstrate anything to the peanut gallery, of which I'm a non-paying member. It is, after all, a privately owned company. But trying to get back to Jed's comment. Will BLP, a privately run RD company be able to survive the constant slings and arrows of outrageous misfortune and eventually come to be? I'd like to hope so. It would make a great story to tell one's grandchildren. Only time will tell. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects
the most experienced veteran technologists and instead generate another RFP and go outside the system looking for outside help. Obviously an outside team of contractors must know a whole lot more the system than our own veterans do. And if the contractors fail, well, they are just contractors. They are not permanent staff that we are obligated to pay health insurance and retirement benefits to. We'll just go ahead and hire some more temps. So, now that I am just another tax payer who wonders how his tax dollars are being spent it will be interesting to see how this latest RFP attempt goes. I still have a few contacts working inside the building that occasionally give me little bits and pieces here and there. I hate to say this, Jed, but based on my own experience I'm inclined to speculate that Mizuno's assessment of the viability of the RFP tasked with initiating useful CF projects may be fairly accurate. I hope I'm wrong. Dead wrong. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects
Hello again Lennart, I wanted to comment on: Example of good result in the government is not enough to convince me that government can handle change and improvements I would say the same criticism applies towards a number of private corporations as well. Jed has been very good at citing numerous historical examples that have shown the Achilles heels of well-established private enterprises. I think we must resign ourselves to the realization that we are stuck with both extremes running our society: Governments and private enterprises, and all the interesting hybrids that find their little niches in-between. I think it best if both extremes try to do their best to remain civil and work with each other for the common good of everyone. As they say on the Red Green Show: We're all in this together. http://www.redgreen.com/ I'm hoping this is a matter we can both agree on. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects
Hi Lennart: Government by definition cannot delegate. I think Steven's example proves it. Actually, I would disagree with that opinion even though my previous post would seem to suggest otherwise. I really don't blame government, nor do I think government is incompetent or incapable of delegating. I think the problem is indicative of an ageing government workforce (both state federal) that is retiring in droves resulting in a vacuum that simply can't be filled fast enough to replace all the expertise that has left. Often the only recourse left is to hire a lot of young, inexperienced scared managers and employees that really are trying their best to tackle monsters they inherited. Inevitably, some are going to end up making a lot of mistakes. Some mistakes are going to be more spectacular than others. I just hope enough of these young whippersnappers survive the education process and become experienced managers that choose to remain within the government system. Unfortunately, once they get edu-ficated, many just leave for the private sector when head hunters start circling about and wave big bucks in front of them. And, of course, the vicious cycle re-edu-fication process starts all over again. Complicating matters in the case of Wisconsin, Scott Walker's Wisconsin Act 10 Budget repair Bill ended up cutting hundreds of dollars ($450 of net pay in my case) out of state employee's monthly salary - which went towards paying higher health insurance and retirement premiums. Doing so has only made it that much harder trying to hire a fresh new crop of state employees from the private sector. But think positive! Government projects plus all the delegation involved can be capable of producing miracles. NASA took us to the moon and back using 1960s technology. There's that Internet thing, too. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks From: Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 4:40 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects Jed I like your reaction The conclusion to me is that government is not good at entrepreneurship, innovation or other things not fully understood as the result is part of the task to be delegated. Government by definition cannot delegate. I think Steven's example proves it. That is why risk taking has been part of the capitalistic ideology. Now we try to take that out and then we end up with an empty ideology. I think the say is that nature hates vacuum - that goes for ideology also so now the bureaucrats are filling the void. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com http://www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com mailto:lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I think Mizuno meant that is no one left in Japan who is capable of applying for this grant, or interested in applying for it. The document (http://www.nedo.go.jp/content/100754489.pdf) is entirely in Japanese, but if you look at the pages below 15, you will see the application form. You will recognize the bureaucratic format and get a sense of what the government demands. Name of institution, name of researcher, RD area, theme, schedule, etc., etc. Here is item 2.3 run through Google translate and adjusted by me: Implementation Structure * For implementation system when we contract for this research and development project, please provide the implementation system diagrams so that the role of each institution is shown. Please include any subcontractors, when there is a joint implementation plan. Blah, blah . . . A retired professor trying to submit something like this would be rejected out of hand. I can't blame NEDO. This is tax money. The government must have accountability. But it just isn't going to happen with these kinds of rules. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects
From Jed: I did not know Grace Hopper but no one contributed more to software than she did. She was an admiral in the Navy. Back around 1980 when I still had a few visible fledgling feathers I got to see Grace Hopper at a talk she gave in Madison on one of her numerous speaking engagement rounds. One of the first things she did after she stepped up to the podium was to apologize about what happened to COBOL. The audience was packed with COBOL mainframe programmers, myself included. Her apology got a chuckle, particularly from the smaller group of us that had been exposed to other programming languages. I think the rest probably just scratched their heads and wondered what she was apologizing for. I certainly do not blame Grace and the monumental task that had been handed to her to develop the first business oriented programming language known as COBOL. Love it or hate it, COBOL is still one of the most widely used 3rd generation programming languages in the mainframe environment. Being the first business oriented programming language of its kind, Grace and her team had no prior experience in comprehending how such a programming language should be structured. Since they were trying to design a simple-to-understand programming language syntax that performed a lot of business oriented accounting activities it seemed to make sense to develop commands around the English language, using simple grammatically correct English-like sentences, like ADD SALES-TAX-VALUE TO GRAND-TOTAL. (Don't forget that period!) Of course you could write the same computation in COBOL as COMPUTE GRAND-TOTAL = GRAND-TOTAL + SALES-TAX-VALUE. which was just as bad because of its wordiness. Developing the excessively worded commands that many computer science academics turned their noses up at wasn't her fault or the team's fault. Eventually, I would imagine the whole team learned what worked and what didn't through trial and error and getting feed-back from users. But by then COBOL standards had already been set in stone, and there was no going back. You had to respect the Admiral. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:lithium from an exploding star
From Francis: Interesting. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150729085920.htm I was hoping for dilithium myself. My recent stock purchases in a Gobi Desert dilithium mining operation seems to have gone belly up. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:From the Kiplinger Letter: Energy Alerts - Nuclear Woes
From the July 29, 2015 edition. Interesting juxtapositions of traditional and emerging energy sources: http://tinyurl.com/ntcnabl Hope the URL works. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Matter to energy, and back
Does there exist any kind of natural phenomenon we currently know of that might be capable of (under specific conditions) transforming from matter into energy and then back into matter in a cyclically controlled fashion - presumably with the aid of an advanced form of 21st Century technology? Please, no 23rd century Star Trek transporter speculation need apply here... too many extrapolations. For example, I give the following crude scenario: Convert a magnetically contained plasma toroid of spinning sub-atomic particles protons (fermions) into photons (bosons) - and then convert the photons back into protons. Do this cyclically and very quickly with the aid of some kind of super-duper 21 century technology. I can't immediately think of such a methodology using 21st century technology. But then... there might be few on this list who'd care to shine some light on the matter... no pun intended. Comments? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back
Bob, Jones, Thanks for humoring me. I am not surprised that discussing energy/matter conversion techniques in 21st century terms is, how should I put it, a debatable matter. Here's where I'm going with my previous request: If practical M/E conversion technology could eventually be developed I think there might exist a particular type of thrust engine (mimicking anti-gravity) that could be developed capable of manipulating principals involving escape velocity angular momentum. Think of Newton's famous illustration showing a cannon shooting a series of cannon balls around the earth with increasing values of velocity. Given enough velocity, you eventually can get a cannon ball into an orbit around Earth. With a little more velocity, it's off to the Moon and beyond! Now, think of a unique kind of high-tech cannon ball (matter) that's travelling faster than 17.5k mph, a ball of mass that we could technologically convert into energy after only a short distance so that something like a mirror could reflect all the photons back, let's say back at approximately 180 degrees. Then, after a very short time, convert the ball of photons back into a ball of mass so that once again it continues to travel at 17.5k mph. Think of a fun house, a house of mirrors where you see yourself reflected ad-infinitum. It seems to me that since Earth's curvature, and associated gravity field, is still a physical factor in the cannon ball's back-and-forth velocity (which is still travelling at escape velocity)... I think that little critter is going to want to go up, up, UP, even though it's not travelling around Earth. I don't claim doing this is possible, or even practical; certainly not with the kind of technology we current have. I only claim that if a newfangled contraption could be built that could whack a bunch of malleable mass back-and-forth between a set of mirrors when it's briefly converted into its energy phase... according to my understanding of Newtonian physics, it just might work. I have a fallback plan. There's this guy trying to sell me shares in a dilithium mine. Out in the Gobi Desert somewhere. Wave of the future! A sure deal. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back
Hauke, I think your design concept is pretty much the same concept as mine. I would also speculate that using hydrogen atoms, or perhaps a hydrogen plasma stream, would help simplify what engineering might be involved. If there is a cover... then yes, it would be my suspicion that an upward thrust would be generated. Wish there was a way to find out if such an experiment could be conducted. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks From: Hauke Hein [mailto:hhe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 4:54 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back Hi Steven I read your idea with the cannonball between two reflekting mirrors. I had an idea similar but with lets say hydrogen atoms reflectet between two vertical parallel walls at escape velocity.I think those particals would follow a parabolic path climbing between the vertical walls.I wonder what would happen if one would install a horizontal cover on top of the parallel walls limiting the upwards movement of those oscillating particals?would they generate an upward pressure? Next question: what would happen if this takes place in a closed box? Hauke Hein --- Mensaje Original --- Desde: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net mailto:orionwo...@charter.net Enviado: 27 de julio de 2015 16:09 Para: vortex-l@eskimo.com mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Asunto: RE: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back Bob, Jones, Thanks for humoring me. I am not surprised that discussing energy/matter conversion techniques in 21st century terms is, how should I put it, a debatable matter. Here's where I'm going with my previous request: If practical M/E conversion technology could eventually be developed I think there might exist a particular type of thrust engine (mimicking anti-gravity) that could be developed capable of manipulating principals involving escape velocity angular momentum. Think of Newton's famous illustration showing a cannon shooting a series of cannon balls around the earth with increasing values of velocity. Given enough velocity, you eventually can get a cannon ball into an orbit around Earth. With a little more velocity, it's off to the Moon and beyond! Now, think of a unique kind of high-tech cannon ball (matter) that's travelling faster than 17.5k mph, a ball of mass that we could technologically convert into energy after only a short distance so that something like a mirror could reflect all the photons back, let's say back at approximately 180 degrees. Then, after a very short time, convert the ball of photons back into a ball of mass so that once again it continues to travel at 17.5k mph. Think of a fun house, a house of mirrors where you see yourself reflected ad-infinitum. It seems to me that since Earth's curvature, and associated gravity field, is still a physical factor in the cannon ball's back-and-forth velocity (which is still travelling at escape velocity)... I think that little critter is going to want to go up, up, UP, even though it's not travelling around Earth. I don't claim doing this is possible, or even practical; certainly not with the kind of technology we current have. I only claim that if a newfangled contraption could be built that could whack a bunch of malleable mass back-and-forth between a set of mirrors when it's briefly converted into its energy phase... according to my understanding of Newtonian physics, it just might work. I have a fallback plan. There's this guy trying to sell me shares in a dilithium mine. Out in the Gobi Desert somewhere. Wave of the future! A sure deal. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Jeffery Allan Lash: secret agent or space alien?
Thanks, Jed, I live for this. ;-) One of my life studies has been to look into alternate belief systems. For better or worse, we can’t live without them. Within the UFO community there exist many theories (or beliefs) that mirror something similar to Mr. Alan’s pertaining to either the alleged hybridization or cross pollen-ization of the human race. Think of the popular sci-fi series Stargate and its many popular spin-offs, to get a good flavor of what this premise supports. In Mr. Alan’s case, he appears to have taken the belief quite personally. Poor fellow. I wonder if he may have been harassed with some form of OCD... The belief that someone is doing something to you or to your body combined with a tendency to hoard such as over a million dollars’ worth of collected firearms could possibly suggest such a condition was messing with him. Mix this condition up with a collection of well-intentioned enablers, and one ends up with not a very healthy combination. Full disclosure: in all honesty I personally find aspects of the human-alien hybridization theory intriguing. Of course, it’s a great sci-fi premise. The concept was brought to life in a wonderful B+ movie, “Quatermass and the Pit”, or as it was re-released in the United States, “5 Million Years to Earth.” For a low-budget sci-fi thriller, I cannot recommend a better film to watch on the big flat screen surrounded with your best and nerdiest friends sharing a big bowl of hot buttered popcorn. For the amount of money spent on this type of genre you can’t lose. Entertaining, and thought provoking: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quatermass_and_the_Pit_%28film%29 While many might scoff and ridicule the hybridization premise, it’s really not any more eccentric than believing in similar reality systems, like creationism, which is held dear by many members of our community. The fact that most creationists get along well within the community, hold decent paying jobs, raise healthy families, and pay taxes, holding onto such a belief does not appear to be destructive in itself. So, I keep trying to tell myself: live and let live. I believe the core premise of the belief system may best be exemplified at the following museum: http://creationmuseum.org/ I sure hope I get a chance to visit the establishment. I’ve heard so much about it, including an “independent” report that will live in infamy out on the Internet. A bunch of fans chipped in and paid their favorite sci-fi author, John Scalzi, to take a trip to the museum and then write up a special report. You can read the review out in his blog, “whatever”. http://whatever.scalzi.com/2007/11/12/your-creation-museum-report/ Enjoy! And now, back to regularly scheduled programming. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline
Hi Lennart, I don't think I meant to imply that it's a zero sum game either. It is, however, a highly complex game that takes advantage of the fact that it has become so damned complicated, and deliberately so. Today few have the capacity to follow the money to its logical conclusion. IMHO, modern technology and the amenities that go with them have now given certain savvy players exquisite new ways of extracting all the perks they want by playing a 21st century version of the Game of Thrones. If one looks a little closer it becomes clear that the exact same rules of subjugation and exploitation over the minions are still very much enforced as they have been for thousands of years. It's almost biblical in its scope. Shoot! Some savvy scholars could get together and completely rewrite the Bible using modern 21 century tales from news clippings of recorded depravity, and in the process modernize all the important lessons of morality our society holds dear, like how not to do un to others what you would really hate to have done un to yourself. These days, there may be less blatant warfare as expressed out on the battle ground. However, I suspect some might disagree that it's any less bloody, particularly when one takes into consideration how the effects of economic depravity have directly and/or indirectly decimated huge swatches of society. Not sure I would care to counter claims that it's any less bloody. ;-) Regarding how top-tier money managers play Game of Throne rules for the spoils of vast solar systems of currency we have the following commentary from CNN money: http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2015/07/16/gselevator-john-lefevre-wall-street-culture.cnnmoney/index.html?iid=ob_article_hotListpooliid=obnetwork http://tinyurl.com/qjn6mwy Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:OT: Another example of hi-tech depravity, another phishing attempt
Bad URL spelling in my part. Dyslexia hits again. The original url is: http://txbrs.com it gets immediately rerouted to: http://texasbuildingandroofingsuppliesinc.com/ Steve
[Vo]:OT: Another example of hi-tech depravity, another phishing attempt
I just received the following phishing scheme. Never got one like this before. Kind of a new angle, and a bit creative too! I received a terse text message that sez: Why have you sued me? WTF is this? I am attaching the subpoena. I did not include the supoena.doc file, nor did I even care to open it to find out what horrible things I have committed. I decided to check out the supplied URL, however, that came with the email address: txbrs.com. If you enter http://intxbrs.com web hosting immediately reroutes the URL to: http://texasbuildingandroofingsuppliesinc.com/ The URL turns out to be what appears to be a legitimate business: Texas Building and Roofing Supplies, INC. I'm assuming the website may have been hacked. Maybe someone can clue me in here, but if I were to be so naive as to return a response to the supplied email address appears, wouldn't my response go to presumably an employee of Texas Building and Roofing Supplies. INC? IOW, it would seem to imply that someone working at that establishment is actually instigating this phishing scheme. Or, could it be the case that some savvy tech-nerd found a way to re-route the special email address to a more obscure location, particularly since the URL txbrs.com is immediately rerouted to a more elaborate URL address. If so, it would imply that someone, like a web builder may have been involved in assembling the phishing scheme. I'm thinking of calling the establishment to inform them of what I received allegedly from one of their employees. The website has a phone number. See if they know if the email address belongs to a known/legitimate employees of the business. Comments? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline
I find it interesting to view this entire process as an interesting game in how humans go about redistributing units of wealth across the planet. The entire process, the mechanisms currently installed to initiate “wealth distribution” has become so incredibly convoluted and obfuscated (intentionally so, I might add) that it’s easy to lose site of the fact when you really boil this process down to its most primal level, it’s just about how one individual, group, or organization goes about getting (or stealing if they can get away with it) more gummy from their neighbor. It’s all based on an illusion that there are a fixed number of gummy bears in the BIG POT. As such it behooves you to acquire as many gummy bears as you can before your neighbor does the same to you. Well… we are competitive creatures by nature. On a monthly basis, I play a board game called “Game of Thrones” with my friends. It's based on the popular George R.R. Martin books and spin-off TV series. I feel fortunate if I can make it through the afternoon without my cattle being raped. It is perhaps naive of me to believe this but it remains my hope that as our society continues to evolve in the direction a highly networked, responsive global civilization more and more of the population will begin to clearly see the abject hypocrisy and injustice all these little gummy bar games we now perform against each other does. We will begin to see how such self-serving injustices induce great harm upon on vast swatches of society and end up needlessly devaluing many of their ability to make incalculable contributions to the common good. I suppose I sound like an evil socialist, or worst, a communist. However, in my view, as technology, robotics, and AI continues to advance, robbing many of us of our jobs and identities, it may turn out to be the case that some form of high-tech modernized communism that revolves around enforced distribution of goods and services amongst all the population will eventually be recognized as the fairest and most humane. It will ensure the fact that we all get the essential basics of what need in order to survive in a modern civilization. It will ensure that all of society benefits, and not just those who know how to play the Game of Thrones game board better than their neighbor. If not, I will probably end up being repeatedly raped along with my cattle. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline
Perhaps much of the opposition evaporated because many of those prior enemies may have figured out how to make a profit on the transition to electrics. Always try to land on your feet. Can't stay in business if ya can't. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline
Jed, Concerning documentaries, were you directly or indirectly referring to Who Killed the Electric Car? http://www.whokilledtheelectriccar.com/ The film got a lot of press when it came out. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy website is confusing
Cool! Sign me up. Don't have anything yet to show me? No problemo! I trust you. Will you let me be your cheerleader? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks From: ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 8:40 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy website is confusing Guys, I am designing a new spaceship with a warp drive and I am looking for investors, I have the prototype working... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/54/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701-A).jpg http://www.comicvine.com/profile/clark_el/blog/uss-enterprise-vs-battlestar-galactica/92202/ On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Found this using the google image search. Really cool app. That is amazing. I tested it for this image and found it in several websites, in different sizes: http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Bockrisandcells.jpg Google correctly identified it as john bockris (lowercase). - Jed
