Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help reading marriage of Jose Coelho Berbereia and Maria do Espirito Santo of Altares

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I belief it says that he is the widower of Maria Francisca. The g from the word 
above drops down making it look like an l in the word viuvo.



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help reading marriage of Jose Coelho Berbereia and Maria do Espirito Santo of 
Altares 
There is only one thing I do not understand about this record….There is a 
female name, Maria Francisca, written prior to the names of the groom’s 
parents. It is the part about no impediments? What this someone coming forward 
and Objecting to the 
marriage?http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1870-1879_item1/P73.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] UPEC books

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Lisa, I have the book that you are speaking about "The Holy Ghost  Festas". 
 It was published by Portuguese Heritage Publications and is now  out of 
print.  You can get a CD of the book by going to their webpage,  
PortugueseBooks.org  This was the information that they gave me last  year when 
I was 
looking for the book for a friend.
 
Here is an excerpt from their webpage.
. 
Note: This  publication is currently sold  out and  there are no future 
plans for a 3rd edition. Anyone interested in or doing  research on the 
Portuguese in California may acquire the _Holy Ghost  Festas CD_ 
(http://portuguesebooks.org/books/the-holy-ghost-festas-cd/)  – the complete 
text of the 
original  book.
 
 
Mary Ann Marshall
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/23/2016 7:04:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
azores@googlegroups.com writes:

The book about the  festas is The Holy Ghost Festas:  A Historic 
Perspective of the  Portuguese in California, Tony P. Goulart, published by 
Portuguese 
Chamber  of Commerce of San Jose in 2003.  I checked World Cat and it is 
available  in many libraries in California and a few other random libraries 
across the  country.  On World Cat it looks like you can search within the 
book but  when I tried to search the names and places that I know are in the 
book, "no  matches" returned.


Lisa  


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From: Marilyn Thompson 
To: Cheri  Mello 
Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2016 10:16  pm
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] UPEC books


 
What was the name of the book you found the additional  information in? The 
book might be found in another library also.  


Great that you found photos of your family members.  


On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 8:24 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via  Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:


Sounds really interesting and it was definitely worth the trip for you  to 
find that photo and other tidbits of information. Thank you for reporting  
back to us!!


Susan 

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On Oct 22, 2016, at 1:37 PM, themom8682 via Azores Genealogy  wrote:



The UPEC  books (all in Portuguese of course) contained the records of the 
business  of the organization.  There were some pages in the books that 
folded  out with copies of the "death" records showing what was paid out and to 
 
whom.  I have a close friend who has a great great grandfather that  was 
president of the UPEC for a time so there were many many references to  him in 
the books.


I did find a small gem in a book about the Festas in  California.  There is 
a 1-4 page history of each of the festas from  different areas all over 
California.  I learned that my 3g uncle  founded the festa in Sausalito AND 
there was a photo of him in the  book!  Also, there was a photo from the Yreka 
area festa of some  cousins through another 3g uncle.


Lisa


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From: 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
To: azores 
Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2016  10:15 am
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] UPEC books


Hi!  
I would be interested to hear what you find as I live in Sacramento.  I 
have memories of going to going to a few conventions with my mom of the  SPRSI 
and I just have a hunch that there would be little of genealogical  value in 
“Sessions of the Supreme Council of UPEC” but am interested to  hear what 
you find. The real value of the membership books are that they  often give 
the island of origin information and some family relationships  in the 
beneficiaries listed in their rolls. 
Happy hunting!
Susan Vargas Murphy
PS….I have not been to that library for years but if I am remembering  
correctly, I did look at original books for marriages in Alameda County  
….which 
was very cool. 


On Oct 17, 2016, at 10:09 AM, themom8682 via Azores Genealogy  
 wrote:

Researching at the  State Library in Sacramento, CA this morning.  If 
anyone is  interested, they have four volumes of books with the Sessions of the 
 
Supreme Council of UPEC:  San Leandro, 1887-1898; Santa Cruz,  1899-1903; 
San Rafael, 1904-1907; and San Jose, 1924-1927.  There  are no indexes so you 
would need to know which book to look in and  really scour it for your 
person.  


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about the UPEC records accuracy

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Any second hand information is only as reliable as the person giving the  
information.  UPEC was accepting your grandmother's statement as truth  and 
probably did not check into it.  What does his death certificate  say?  Is he 
buried here in the states? Unfortunately, you still have  more digging to 
do.
 
Mary Ann M. 
 
 
In a message dated 6/13/2016 10:24:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
azores@googlegroups.com writes:

 
California, Death and Burial Records from Select Counties,  1873-1987 
http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8835   
Can anyone in the group answer the following  question?  My grandfather, 
Jose Soares Coelho, is shown in the UPEC  records.  I have always understood 
that he died while on a visit to the  Azores while this record is stating 
that he died in the USA.  Any idea  how accurate the information in these 
records are?  Was the information  such as place of death verified in any way 
or 
was the information given by the  informant, my grandmother I presume, just 
taken as gospel?  (My  grandmother may not have told the truth on place of 
death for various  reasons) 
Thanks, Sam (Camas, WA) 


 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Trip

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Hey Lisa, 
It's your cousin Mary Ann.  I just wanted to let you know that our  cousin 
Belmira has just left for Pico and will be there for about 6  months. She 
has a house in Ribeirina, Pico in the same area that my father  and her's grew 
up.   Contact me off list and I will give you more  information.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 5/1/2015 6:43:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
azores@googlegroups.com writes:

Susan,


Yes, just missed each other. We left Oakland at the end of June and  
returned about July 14th. 


You are correct on the bull fights; they were all over. A taxi driver  
provided a paper schedule. We saw another in Sao Bento, but enjoyed the  
country 
setting much more. 


It was my kids first time out of the country and they had a great  time!


Regards,

Bill

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Hello Bill,  
I remember that I wrote to you last year before you went with some  advice 
for taking young people to the AzoresI see now that we must have  just 
missed you as we were on the flight that left one day early OUT of  Oakland 
to Terceira (July 20) and were on the Atlas Air plane.  We got  a call 
mid-week that our plane would not be leaving on the Monday but on  
Sundaywhich 
took a little shuffling. We did end up enjoying the extra  time on Terceira 
but on the way back home, our plane started to have  mechanical problems 
when we were way out on the oceanI have never been  so scared!  We had to 
turn back and then circle for quite awhile to  burn off fuel. Sata put us up 
in a great place Quinta do Martelo, so there  was a silver lining, but not 
sure if I am over the scare yet!  Some of  us fell asleep after the plane 
took off and woke up to the realization that  there was something very wrong. 
Our little ten year old grandson smiled and  said Oh yeah, we are going 
back!!.the bliss of youth!  I hear  that there are other airlines going in 
there now which I think will be a  good thing!  


Good tips on the SIM card, I have never figured that one out. It would  
have been nice to have a phone sometimes. We just accessed our email and the  
web when we were in the hotels or anyplace  free wifi.  We  had the same 
experience with American Expressalmost no one took it. Our  Visa was 
usually 
good except sometimes my husband was convinced that it was  not that it did 
not work, but that they really wanted cash  instead:) 


I think the bulls on a rope pretty much run all summer, not just in  
Altaresyou just have to find out what town will be having the  festivities. 
We 
have always managed to see one on the several trips that we  have made. 
Finding a safe  place to view this can be trickywe have  had help from both 
taxi drivers and twice from a wonderful guide that we  hired, Mario Rego, 
on Terceira. 


As you say Bill.you just have to hang loose and be flexibleit  all 
works out in the end:)


Susan Vargas Murphy



 
On Apr 26, 2015, at 11:32 AM, 'Bill Boyd' via Azores Genealogy 
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Thanks Joao!  Hope all is well.  To add to your comments


The Portuguese side of  the ATMs may not charge, but I did get charged on 
withdrawals from  non-credit union banks (Banco Espírito Santo is my 
example).  As to  the extra functionality, you are correct, I was unable to 
charge 
my phone  at the ATM and needed to go to a store.  Which is a good point  
concerning the phones.  If you do get a Portuguese SIM, it can be  charged at 
the original store or you can go to many stores advertising the  service.  
You will want to keep your packaging with the SIM number on  it for easy 
reference when charging.


Concerning the planes, my  basic message is to take the delays with 
patience.  We flew in and  out of Terceira and had delays both ways.  Many of 
the 
seasoned  travelers simply accepted the delay as a part of flying with SATA.  
The delay on departure from the Azores was due to mechanical  difficulties 
with the plane and they had to contract for another plane  from Atlas Air.  
It was a much larger plane and made the trip from  Terceira to Oakland 
without the Toronto fueling stop.  We enjoyed the  flight much more and got to 
spend almost two more days on Terceira.  Oh, we were able to see the bull 
fight in Altares with the extra  time.  One of the unplanned highlights of our 
trip was working with  the taxi driver to figure out where the event was (way 
out in the country)  and then enjoying all of the people in the mountains 
with a view of  Graciosa in the background.  So, things can work out even 
with the  delays.  Just set expectations appropriately.  Here is a  description 
of Altares if you happen to be there during their bull  fight: _Altares - 
Wikipedia, the free  encyclopedia_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altares) 
 


 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Paleography

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There is a publication that you can get at Familysearch.org called  Basic 
Portuguese Paleography for free.  Here is the link that you  can use to get 
to download page.  
http://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/File:Basic-Portuguese-Paleography-4.pdf   
I have a copy that I paid for from about 20 years 
ago and now you can just  download for free.
 
Mary Ann Marshall
 
 
In a message dated 4/29/2015 6:02:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
j...@venturas.org writes:
 
Hi Linda,  


In that case, just get in touch with them on the email listed  here: 
http://www.caixadoslivros.com/page/view/19/contactos


They probably sell exclusively in Portugal, but in this case you should  be 
able to bypass their online store and pay them somehow. If not, then say  
something and I'll see what we can do to make you have that book.


João Ventura
https://tombo.pt/en

On Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:23:56 UTC+2,  linda wrote:  
Argh!  One can, but...

I put it in my shopping  cart, but was thwarted by the necessity of 
entering a NIF (I'm an American)  and the lack of a PayPal (or similar) button.

Thanks so much  Joao.  I'm very glad to know that it's still in print.  
Using the  info from the site you provided, I'll try to special order it  
locally.

thanks!

Linda



On Monday, April 27,  2015 at 10:54:46 AM UTC-7, João Ventura wrote:  
Linda,  


I think you can buy it here: 
_http://www.http://www.WBRcaixadoslhttp://www.WBRcaixadoslivrhttp://www.WBRcaixadosl_
 
(http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.caixadoslivros.com/store/product/0/2187/abreviaturas-paleograficas-
portuguesassa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNHg62V6jjbX2n1i5Iz5Y8hKKwP97A) 


João Ventura
http://tombo.pt/en

On Thursday, 23 April 2015  07:07:55 UTC+2, linda wrote:  
Those pages are from

Nunes, E. Borges, 1981  Abreviaturas paleográficas portuguesas, Lisboa, 
Faculdade de  Letras

you can page through the virtual booklet here:

_http://issuu.com/rogeriod/http://issuu.com/_ 
(http://issuu.com/rogeriod/docs/abreviaturas) 

Though  I'm not sure if that's a legitimate site for purchase.   

There's also a pirated copy floating out there in the interwebs  [*cough* 
Scribid *cough*].

If anyone knows of a legitimate source  to purchase a paper copy, I'd be 
much obliged to  know.

Linda

On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 at 4:49:11 PM  UTC-7, Hermano C. Pires wrote:  
 
Looks to be very useful.
Thanks for posting  it.
Will have to try to locate the original.
Again many  thanks.
Hermano


 

 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 15:21:34 -0700
From: aka...@earthlink.net
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject:  [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Paleography


_Fernando Manaças Ferreira_ 
(https://www.facebook.com/fernando.jorge.ferreira)  posted this on Facebook and 
I thought it would helpful to  all on this 
list also. I have added a cover  page for your use if desired.  I contains 
some very good  information and examples of old writing, abbreviations and  
exceptions to the conventions at the time.  Good luck and  happy hunting.


Walter Teixeira
Researching Praia  Graciosa
email: aka...@earthlink.net


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] St Joseph's Church,. C;arksburg, Yolo County, California

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The particular priest in question has now retired, so I wonder if it will still 
be the same.  I was told that sometimes entries were made about things that the 
priest felt no one should know about.  However, the records that we want to see 
are for people that are long gone.  I think that it might be worth another shot.

Mary Ann


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] St Joseph's Church,. C;arksburg, Yolo County, 
California



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I also have family that was active in that church and it is nearly impossible 
to get a look at records because they are private.  After much persistence   
groveling in person, I was allowed to view an index of baptisms and found my 
grandmother and her siblings.  I had been told there were no records for the 
family.  The county record of my great grandparents' marriage states they were 
married at the church with the accurate name of the priest at that time but the 
church repeatedly tells me they have no record of the marriage.  Why are they 
being so secretive  difficult?
  

  
Sent from my iPhone
 
 

  
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St. Joseph's Church, Clarksburg, Yolo County, California Portuguese
 

 
Is there anyone in contact with a man who years ago was given permission by the 
priest to completely extract the vital records of baptism, marriage and death 
from this church in Clarksburg? I was told that he would one day publish it, 
though he may have hit a snag with that idea.
 
  
 
There were so many from Pico in those early years and many Sacramento area 
families could learn where their ancestors came from if they had access to 
these records.  The most recent priest has not been letting anyone see the 
records.  Even though he has retired, it would certainly be easier if the 
records have been extracted than to go to the church
 

 
I believe that my grandparents may have been married there.
 


 
 


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[AZORES-Genealogy] St Joseph's Church,. C;arksburg, Yolo County, California

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St. Joseph's Church, Clarksburg, Yolo County, California  Portuguese

Is there anyone in contact with a man who years ago was  given permission 
by the priest to completely extract the vital records of  baptism, marriage 
and death from this church in Clarksburg? I  was told that he would one day 
publish it, though he may have hit a  snag with that idea.

There were so many from Pico in those early  years and many Sacramento area 
families could learn where their ancestors came  from if they had access to 
these records.  The most recent priest has not  been letting anyone see the 
records.  Even though he has retired, it would  certainly be easier if the 
records have been extracted than to go to the  church

I believe that my grandparents may have been married there.
 
Mary Ann

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] St Joseph's Church,. C;arksburg, Yolo County, California

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Thank you Pam.  I actually have the 2 books that were written about  the 
Portuguese settlers in the area.  Both sides of my family are in  them.  The 
information is good as far as it goes.  I am trying to get  more information 
on my grandfather's first wife in order to find when he  actually came to 
the Sacramento area.  He died when my mother and aunt were  very little so 
they only had hearsay about his arrival.  Also, my father's  side of the family 
was in the Clarkburg area and I have pieced together quite a  bit about the 
family but the church records would help pull things  together.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 12/27/2014 5:58:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
pamsanto...@gmail.com writes:

Did you see if your family is listed on this website?  


http://www.portugueseancestry.com/genresources/pioneers_ab.cfm



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St. Joseph's Church, Clarksburg, Yolo County, California  Portuguese

Is there anyone in contact with a man who years ago  was given permission 
by the priest to completely extract the vital records  of baptism, marriage 
and death from this church in Clarksburg? I  was told that he would one day 
publish it, though he may have hit  a snag with that idea.

There were so many from Pico in those  early years and many Sacramento area 
families could learn where their  ancestors came from if they had access to 
these records.  The most  recent priest has not been letting anyone see the 
records.  Even though  he has retired, it would certainly be easier if the 
records have been  extracted than to go to the church

I believe that my grandparents may  have been married there.
 
Mary Ann

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Trip Assistance

[Cakemom102 via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Lisa,
 
It's Mary Ann up in Sacramento area.  Contact me before you go.   Two of my 
first cousins, which would be your cousins also, spend several months  in 
Pico every year.  I will put you in touch so that they can tell you  where 
everything is located.
 
 
In a message dated 10/13/2014 7:19:22 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
angelalo...@gmail.com writes:

Hi Lisa,  


Please, try to avoid come to Portugal and ask for a onibus, or  Seu 
Manuel, or suco instead of autocarro, Senhor Manuel or sumo. It  may 
look the same language, but it's not.


I think there's a topic somewhere in the group about this subject.


- http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/portuguese/talk/
- http://portuguesmente.com/learn-portuguese/test-your-portuguese/ 


2014-10-13 6:18 GMT+01:00 lisahbskt via Azores  Genealogy 
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Hello  Everyone,
 
I am planning a trip to the Azores sometime next summer, dates are  
flexible.  I will go to Terceira, Pico and Sao Jorge.
 
I want to know about airfare, ravel between islands what festas are  
happening when and learning Portuguese before I go.  All  recommendations are 
welcome!
 
I will need accommodations on Pico (visiting Lajes area) and on  Sao Jorge 
(visiting Ribeira Seca and Topo areas) and maybe on  Terceira.
 
Has anyone used Rocket Portuguese Language program?  It is  Brasilian but 
most of the language programs in Portuguese seem to be.
 
Thanks!
 
Lisa Caetano Harley
Southern CA
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bishop Myron Cotta

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Doug, you could probably ask him yourself.  He will be celebrating a  Mass 
the first Sunday of May at St. Elizabeth's and there will be a reception  
after.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 3/31/2014 10:46:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
terce...@dholmes.com writes:

I just read in the latest issue of O Progresso (by the Portuguese  
Historical Society of Sacramento) about the new Bishop Myron Cotta.


Any chance that someone knows about his link to the Azores? It says his  
grandparents were immigrants and I assume they were from Terceira, since  
that's where most named Cotta are from (now spelled as Cota).


I would like to find my own link to his family, since I have lots of Cota  
ancestors from Terceira.


Obrigado,



Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Terceira  Genealogist
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Bank Lookup

[Cakemom102]

His death record is on Archives.com, but not his sister's.  
 
 
 
Fred Santos
Death Record
 
 
 
 
Gender
Male


 
 
Birth Date
Apr 1, 1903

 
Death Date
Nov 29, 1965

 
Age
62


 
 
Birth Location
Hawaii_Map_ (javascript:void(0)) 

 
Death Location
Santa Clara, CA_Map_ (javascript:void(0)) 


 
 
Record Type
Death  Record




 
 
Family Information
 

 
*   Lewis (Maiden Name) 
*   Mother

I don't know if this helps or  not.
 
Mary Ann




 
 
In a message dated 9/13/2013 12:10:28 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
bellema...@gmail.com writes:



 
 
When I was looking for my obit from San Jose, I tried Ask A  Librarian as I 
always do this first when looking for an obit and they told me  they did 
not provide that service and how to go about getting the record  myself which 
I ended up doing.  I have noticed lately Ask A Librarian is  not as 
accommodating as they have been in the past.  Recently, the reply  from a 
Southern 
library they said due to lack of personnel they do not provide  the service 
and I always made a donation to the library for the obits I  request.  I just 
also got the same response recently from a Genealogy  Society and they gave 
me names of fee for hire researchers and having done  this previously I 
passed on it as it was quite costly and half the information  she provided and 
charged me for I had already given to her.  Go  figure.  That is why our 
listmembers are so GREAT!!
 
E



On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 11:48 AM, _TheMOM8682@aol.com_ 
(mailto:themom8...@aol.com)  wrote:


Have you tried Ask a Librarian on either the Santa Clara County  website 
or the California State Library website?  I have had great luck  using that 
service when I need an obituary from out of area  newspapers.  Usually 
they can email you a copy without a fee.
 
Lisa
 
 
In a message dated 9/10/2013 11:03:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
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Can anyone who has access to this site can they do a obit  look up for a 
Fred Santos who died on 29 Nov 1965 in Santa Clara Co,  CA? Would greatly 
appreciate it.or his sister Mary Feroli who died same  place on 13 Jan 1992.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Neps site

[Cakemom102]

Is there a new address for the University of Minho NEPS site.  I keep  
getting an error message.
 
Mary Ann

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: The Azores are a part of Portugal

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Gomes, Rodrigues and Mendes.  People always want to put a z on it and  even 
when they don't they pronounce we if it has a z at the end.G.  
Annoying.
 
Mary Ann M.
 
 
In a message dated 5/16/2013 12:58:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
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You said it pal,I have even  had them spell it rodriquez,  when my son 
went to school, the teacher  told him he would spell it rodriguez, needless to 
say I straightened her  out.




 
 

From:  p...@dholmes.com p...@dholmes.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:21  AM
Subject: RE:  [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: The Azores are a part of Portugal



 
One my favorite beefs is for RODRIGUES.


People often use a Q and spell it RodriQues for some strange  reason.



Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico  Terceira  Genealogist
916-550-1618
http://www.dholmes.com/




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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: The Azores are a part of  Portugal
From: Cheri Mello _gfscherim@gmail.com_ (mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com) 
Date:  Thu, May 16, 2013 6:25 am
To: Azores Genealogy _azores@googlegroups.com_ 
(mailto:azores@googlegroups.com)   
 
 


The proper spelling is important too in the genealogy  programs.  They get 
uploaded to Family Tree DNA and yet the matches  appear to have nothing in 
common with my dad (Sao Miguel ancestry) because  someone misspelled it to 
Sao MiQuel.  




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiz/Luis as a first or last name

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My grandfather came to the United States in the early 1880's.  His  name 
was Francisco Jose Luiz(s) from Pedro Miguel,  Faial.It is spelled Luiz on 
this gravestone here in  Sacramento, Ca.   However, as of the 1900 census, 
he was already going  by Frank Lewis and all of his descendants have used 
the Lewis surname  instead of Luiz.
 
Mary Ann M. 
 
 
In a message dated 3/28/2013 9:54:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
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The name  Luiz/Luis as a name was mentioned on another thread.  So the 
topic of the  other thread doesn't become taken over and become completely off 
topic, I  started a new thread by beginning a new email.

In my database, I have  19 people of Portuguese descent with the first name 
of Luis or Luiz.  I  have 27 people of Portuguese descent with the last 
name of Luis or Luiz.   Since I have no one with that name migrating to 
America, I don't see any  Anglicization of the name.

I need to figure out how many people I have  in my database of Portuguese 
descent.  I merged it together many years  ago with my mom's Ozark lines.  
Should have never done that.  If I  had it separate, I would know what 
percentage of people that I have with the  name of Luis/Luiz and that would let 
me 
know how common it is.  It seems  it my family to be of medium frequency 
(based on my research).  


Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila  Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
Tainhas, Achada  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bischo/Bisho

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The word means animal.  I looked up smelly fish and the translation  was 
Peixes funcionou.
 
Mary Ann M.
 
 
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pamsanto...@gmail.com writes:

Okay I  asked a fellow researcher awhile back and she said it meant smelly 
fish.  Why would someone use that as a surnmae? Is it a cunha? Why would 
they  use their real surname of Medeiros and sometimes use Bischo/Bisho?  




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] De Barcellos Surname..is it a common Portuguese surname?

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There is a Bracellos family in Tulare, Ca.  One of them, Anthony  
Bracellos, has written a novel based on his family.  The title of the book  is 
Land 
of Milk and Money
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 11/9/2012 6:37:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
adrianmartins1...@gmail.com writes:

I've  recently come across my GG grandfathers Baptism record Jose De Sousa 
Dias  -Ponta Delgada/Flores 1878- record #32. (son of Manuel Filisberto 
Dias)  In this record it states that his neto Paterno was Filisberto Jose De  
Barcellos.   


My questions if anyone can help out are:


1.) Is the name De Barcello a common Portuguese surname? I've never heard  
of this name before and i lived in a very Portuguese neighbourhood.
2.) From reading this baptism record it looks like it says the Padrinho  is 
also Filisberto Jose De Barcellos...is it common for the grandfather to  
also be the padrinho?


Thnxs for any help.
A.



baptism link
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA
-B-1870-1880/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1870-1880_item1/P155.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Bakery

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My cousin, who was born in Faial and is in her 60's had never heard of  
malasadas either.  She knew them as Filhos.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
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Hi, 
A  little off the genealogy topic, but I have question about malasadas. 
When I  was growing up, I never heard of malasadas. We had filhos, fried dough 
rolled  in sugar. I didn’t hear about malasadas until we went to Hawaii. My 
family is  from the southern Alameda County area of California. Is there 
actually a  difference in the recipe or is it a difference in the  name? 
Diane  George 
(Silva,  Silveira, Martin and Gonsalves ancestors) 
From:  azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of  Lynn
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 10:11 AM
To:  azores@googlegroups.com; azores@googlegroups.com
Subject:  [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Bakery 
_Silva Bakery_ (http://silvabakery.com/)  is in Hayward, about an hour  
west of Modesto/Stockton area. The owner/operator is a Silva immigrant from  
Azores. He and his son just created and sent a nice variety box of goodies to  
my step-dad for his 80th birthday in Idaho.  They ship most places.  

On Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:25:51 PM UTC-7, Karen  wrote: 
I am looking for a Portuguese Bakery that makes Malasadas  in the 
Modesto/Stockton area.  Does anyone know of a good  one? 
 


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] question about the Neps website

[Cakemom102]

Mike,
 
I have found mistakes on the NEPS site.  I would use the site as a  source 
to help look for the actual documents.  In my opinion, some of it is  
accurate and some is not.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 6/26/2012 4:58:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
mgilfilia...@gmail.com writes:

I've had  a break through thanks to some great help from you all. But I 
have a question  about the Neps website. Are those people listed done so as the 
Azores gov't  goes through the books and lists them by name, what I'm 
wondering are the  results you find on the Neps website spot on accurate with 
what they do have?  
Mike
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help

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Jorge Jose was a tailor and Anna Igancia was a domestic (housewife)
 
 
In a message dated 4/27/2012 9:22:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
angelalo...@gmail.com writes:

... filho legítimo de Jorge José, alfaiate, e de Anna  Ignacia, empregada 
no governo doméstico, ambos naturaes da mesma freguesia, o  qual fez 
testamento, não deixou filhos, e foi sepultado no cemitério público.  (...)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] who's baby

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In my Grandfather's family plot we have a lady buried there who is not  
related to the family in any way.  Fortunately,  my mother and aunt  told me 
who she was.  This woman worked for my Grandfather for years and  she had no 
family.  My Grandfather told her not to worry and  that  his family who 
always be hers.  When she died, she was  buried in the family plot.  Also, 
there 
are two babies buried in my Mother  and Father's plots.  One, was the still 
born son of a close family friend  who was born about 42 years ago and the 
other is the infant daughter of my  goddaughter born about 22 years ago.  
Neither of these families had a lot  of money to buy a plot and we made the 
offer and they accepted.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 4/22/2012 7:53:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
mgilfilia...@gmail.com writes:

In my  family burial plot at the St. John's Cemetery in New Bedford,
Ma. there are  2 infant girls buried there. The woman in the office
said they wouldn't be  there if they weren't related by blood. The
problem is they each have a  different last name than what I currently
know. From the New England  Historic genealogic society's site I have
the  following,
Estrella(Stella) Duarte died April 6th an buried April 8th 1893,  F, 4
months 17 days, spasm of larnyx, born and died New Bedford,
father  Manuel born Fayal, mother Maria Nunes born New Bedford. It's
possible  Manuel is my 3rd great grandfather because he was alive til
1896 but Maria  Nunes we have no clue.
The other infant is
Emilia(Emily) S. Couto, died  Aug 19th buried aug 20th 1888, F, 9
months 10 days, Cholera, born an died  in New Bedford, father is
Francisco S. born Fayal, mother Rosa G born  Fayal.
we have clue about any of these names.
does anyone have any ideas  of where to look???

researching; grt grandmother maria pereira(pine  then o'neill then
mcnaney), 2nd grt grandparents antonio silveira  pereira(fayal)+maria
leal pereira(pico), 3rd grt grandfather manuel joaquin  leal(pico),
jose joao pacheco died 1918 buried on top of Manuel Leal  relation
unknown, grt grandfather jose francis pinheiro(cedros)

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Information Day Sunday April 22

[Cakemom102]

The Portuguese Historical and Cultural Society of Sacramento will to  
holding a Genealogy Information Day on Sunday April 22 at St Elizabeth's Hall 
at  
12 and S St in Sacramento at 1:00 pm.  We will have displays and  speakers. 
 The speakers will include a professional genealogist, a  local Porturguese 
historian and and a volunteer form the Mormon Family History  Center on 
Calvine Rd.  If you are interested in attending, please contact  me privately 
by email since we would like to get an idea of how many will be  attending.
 
Thank you 
Mary Ann

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1940 Census

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There is no name index and probably will not be one for about 6  months.  
To locate someone, you must know the numbers assigned to the state  and their 
enumeration district.  Was told this at a seminar that I attended  last 
week.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 4/1/2012 4:32:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
rcap...@redshift.com writes:

Just a  reminder that the 1940 Census is out tomorrow at 9am EDT! You may
go to  1940Census.archives.gov and then eventually (don't know the exact
date for  these) but www.archive.com/1940census, FamilySearch.org and
Ancestry.com. I  hope all of the genealogists don't crash the  government
site!!

Rosemarie

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Voice - Pavao Portuguese?

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I heard that she is Portuguese and that she has a beautiful voice.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 2/6/2012 3:11:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
lionelholme...@gmail.com writes:

Pavao is  definitely Portuguese.  What's her name?

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(mailto:bellema...@gmail.com)   wrote:

Tonite on The Voice there is a girl from the Manteca/Sacramento area  who 
will be singing.   Her last name is Pavao.  Isn't this a  Portuguese surname?
 
E
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] LEWIS as a surname from Portugal

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Hi Betty,
 
My grandfather, Francisco Jose Luiz from Faial, came to this country in the 
 1800's and by the 1900 census had changed his name to Frank J. Lewis.   
Lewis has been the family name since.  However, the tombstone on the family  
plot in Sacrament, Ca. is inscribed Luiz.
 
Mary Ann
 
In a message dated 1/25/2012 9:16:29 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
bbffr...@comcast.net writes:

Hello,

The other day I was doing a look-up in census records  for another
researcher.   They were looking for a William LEWIS  in Bristol County,
Massachusetts.It could have been anywhere  in the 1880 to 1920
timeframe. I was surprised when I  saw in the 1900 census that
there were 10  Joseph LEWIS' and 10 Mary  LEWIS'  listed, with most
born in Portugual, Azores, Madeira.

I  hadn't thought of LEWIS as a Portuguese surname. One of  my
ancestors was a LEWIS and he was from England, and it is  popular
there.   And LEWIS is a popular name in  Wales.

FYI: I just saw the other discussion in the  Group this morning,
and I can mention something. My  step-son sometimes travels to
Europe for his job,  and last fall he  called to ask about his Azorean
ancestors. I don't  remember the exact details, but the summary is
that, IF he could say that  his grandparents were born in the Azores,
he could travel to some of the  countries in Europe without a
passport   (perhaps  Portugal?). But, I had done basic research on
his  father's family-tree,  and it was the step-son's great-
grandparents  who were born in the Azores.So, that didn't
count.   His father's father was born in Massachusetts.

Betty   (near Lowell, MA,  USA)



(I've posted before about the  Antonio PACHECO, b1885  near Ponta
Delgada, Sao Miguel, and Elsie MOURA, b~1892 probably in  Sao
Miguel.Both arrived separately ~1905, and married in  Cambridge, MA
in 1911.I was told that the father, Francisco  MOURA, might have
originated in Santa Maria.Tony's father was  Joao PACHECO.)

(I've never had the time to attempt to find the ships  they traveled
on.I also have not had the time to try to find  out whether Frank
MOURA came to the US  when his wife and children  came to MA ~1910.
He could have been killed at sea as a Whaler,  or  the couple
separated.)







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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to California

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My Grandmother, Maria de Gloria Silveira, from Faial, came by boat to the  
East Coast in 1892 and several  years later, traveled to California by  
train.  My Grandfather, Francisco Jose Luiz (Lewis) and the rest of his  family 
that followed later came around the Horn about the 1870's.   According to 
family lore, my Grandfather told of how dangerous the trip around  the horn 
was in those days.  Storms and lack of food and supplies were  prevalent. I 
have not been able to locate him or any of his family on any ship  manifest.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 10/19/2011 8:27:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
lseven...@gmail.com writes:

Does  anyone have any idea how most of the Azoreans traveled to
California? I  assume they took a boat from the Azores (there was no
other way off before  air planes LOL), but did they complete the trip
around So. America and up  to California by boat or did they disembark
in New York/Boston and travel  by land to California? I've been trying
to find a passenger list with my  grandfather/great-grandmother on it
but haven't had any  success.

Lorinda Baker Sevenans (my grand-father Joseph Lewis (Luiz)  grew up in
Fairfield, CA)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] First, middle names for Azorean people

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Many times they would add a qualifier that would distinguish by their job  
or where they lived in the village.  My grandmother was known as Maria de  
Praia.  Translated, Mary from the beach.
 
 
In a message dated 10/5/2011 1:58:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
deni...@gmail.com writes:

Listers:   


I read with interest the recent discussion regarding the  'end-of-the-line' 
surnames.  Dano on 1 Oct. spoke to this, and I second  his comments.


However, I now have a question to pose to our listers, and ask for their  
opinions.


Azorean first and second names seem to be restricted to only perhaps 12  
commonly used, i.e. Manoel, Jose, Antonio, Joao, Maria, Jacintha, Joaquina,  
Umbelina, being perhaps most common.  Given that most families had many  
children means that within a community, there would have been many named  
Manoel, for example.  For the older still unmarried, at least several  named 
Manoel Jose or Maria Jacintha.


How then did they distinguish between the many same-named individuals  
within their immediate community, as well as adjacent villages?


Denis
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

[Cakemom102]

Try Corti Bros. in Sacramento
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 8/29/2011 3:39:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
rayrso...@yahoo.com writes:

Can anyone tell me where I may purchase Salted Bacalhau  in the Sacramento 
area ?

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From:  Linda Norton patli...@verizon.net
Subject: RE:  [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe
To:  azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 8:43  AM

  
 
I  didn’t like it when I made it fresh, but love it salted. Best way is  to 
eat it…cold!! It takes in the other ingredients and makes it much  more 
tastier.

BTW, I do soak it for two to  three days before preparation.  


Linda Borges Furtado  Norton  


 
  

 
From:  azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Jason  Fraga
Sent: Monday,  August 29, 2011 10:08 AM
To:  azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]  cold fish recipe


 
Bacalhau doesn't have to  be salted to be 'bacalhau'.  Bacalhau is Cod.  
It can be  fresh or salted.  With regard to the cold dish that Steve was  
speaking of, my relatives really do (did) refer to it as just  bacalhau.  The 
equivalent scenario in English I suppose would be  to call Fettuccine 
Alfredo simply, Pasta.   

 


 
I just called my  Grandmother to ask what the specialized name of the dish 
was (beyond  bacalhau), and it translates as Cold Sauce.  She couldn't 
spell  the second part of it, but Molho is definitely the first  word.  That 
lends a bit of creedence to what Eric's saying  below about Molho Escabeche, 
although the second word didn't sound  exactly like escabeche.  

 


 
We're talking about the  same thing here though, as far as the cold dish 
with cod, onions, and  vinegar.

 


 


 
Respectfully,  

 


 
Jay  Fraga

 
Massachusetts

 


 



 
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From:  _eric edgar_ 
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To:  _azores@googlegroups.com_ 
(http://us.mc1258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=azores@googlegroups.com)   

 
Sent:  Friday, August 26, 2011 2:43 PM

 
Subject:  Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

 


 
Bacalhau is the  salted codfish. There are hundreds of recipes for it. An  
accomplished Portuguese chef knows 365 recipes, one for everyday of  the 
year.

 


 
The Molho  Escabeche  can be used on any fish, whether it's rehydrated  
bacalau, raw fresh fish, fried fish, baked broiled or  grilled.

 


 


 
Eric  Edgar

 
On Fri, Aug 26,  2011 at 10:45 AM, _CaraBela@aol.com_ 
(http://us.mc1258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=carab...@aol.com)   wrote:
 
 
Yes, that  is what it is called! I remember it now that I see the name.  

 
Sherry

 
 
 


 
 
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Steve,  that'd be bacalhau.  There are heated and cold variations out  
there.

Jay Fraga
Massachusetts


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Sent:  Friday, August 26, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy]  cold fish recipe


My mother and ava used to make a cold  fish dish of white fish,
vinegar, raw onions, and  saffron.  Has anyone else had that in their
family?   i cant find it on the Internet anywhere.  I am wondering  if
it is a dish my grandmother made up.

_steve.gomes@gmail.com_ 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sacramento Area Book Presentation

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I will check on the price and cost of shipping and let you know.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 7/30/2011 5:57:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
allevacon...@gmail.com writes:

I'm in  Palm Springs, wish I could be there!!!  Is there a way I could 
purchase  one of the books??  Thanks.  Diane

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For anyone in the Sacramento area, The Portuguese Cultural and  Historical 
Society will be presenting the book   Acores: Nove Ilhas, Uma 
Historia/Azores: Nine  Islands, One History, by Susana Goulart Costa at St  
Elizabeth 
Church Social Hall on Sunday Aug. 7 at 2:00pm in the  afternoon.  The book will 
be presented by Rosa Neves Simas and we will  have the book Acores: Nove 
Ilhas, Uma  Historia/Azores: Nine Islands, One History, by Susana Goulart Costa 
 available for purchase as well as other book published by PHPC.   If 
anyone is interested in attending, please let me know since we are also  
hosting 
an ice cream social.  This is a free event.
Please email me off the list if you would like to attend.
 
Mary Ann


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores history

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For anyone in the Sacramento area, The Portuguese Cultural and Historical  
Society will be presenting the book 
mentioned below at St Elizabeth Church Social Hall on Sunday Aug. 7 at  
2:00pm in the afternoon.  The book will be presented by Rosa Neves Simas  and 
we will have the book Acores: Nove Ilhas, Uma  Historia/Azores: Nine Islands, 
One History, by Susana Goulart Costa available for purchase as well as 
other book published by PHPC.  If  anyone is interested in attending, please 
let 
me know since we are also hosting  an ice cream social.  This is a free 
event.
Please email me off the list if you would like to attend.
 
Mary Ann
 
In a message dated 7/30/2011 11:26:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
nvcouto...@gmail.com writes:

Steve,

You might be interested in Acores: Nove Ilhas, Uma  Historia/Azores: Nine 
Islands, One History, by Susana Goulart Costa,  published in 2008 by the 
Institute of Governmental Studies Press, University  of California, Berkeley.  
The author teaches at the University of the  Azores.  It's an academic book 
in a bilingual edition, heavily footnoted,  and a slow read.  I found the 
English translation workmanlike but not  graceful.  Still, I think it was well 
worth reading.  It's, to my  knowledge, the most recent history of the 
Azores available in English.  I  learned a lot from it.

Amazon has it in stock for $24.95 but has only  four copies left.  ABE 
Books and Bookfinder both list it, but at a higher  price.  I ordered my copy 
some time ago from Baker Books in Dartmouth,  MA, but I believe they no longer 
have it in stock.

Hope this  information is useful.

Nancy



On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Steve Peters _spp1680@gmail.com_ 
(mailto:spp1...@gmail.com)  wrote:

Can anyone recommend a good, somewhat recently written  history of the
Azores in English?

Thanks,

Steve

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Sacramento Area Book Presentation

[Cakemom102]

 (mailto:azores@googlegroups.com)  
For anyone in the Sacramento area, The Portuguese Cultural and Historical  
Society will be presenting the book   Acores: Nove Ilhas, Uma 
Historia/Azores: Nine  Islands, One History, by Susana Goulart Costa at St 
Elizabeth  
Church Social Hall on Sunday Aug. 7 at 2:00pm in the afternoon.  The book  will 
be presented by Rosa Neves Simas and we will have the book Acores: Nove 
Ilhas, Uma Historia/Azores: Nine  Islands, One History, by Susana Goulart Costa 
available for purchase  as well as other book published by PHPC.  If anyone 
is interested in  attending, please let me know since we are also hosting an 
ice cream  social.  This is a free event.
Please email me off the list if you would like to attend.
 
Mary Ann

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial

[Cakemom102]

Emil,
 
The Jose Furtado Dutra born April 25, 1899 was my uncle by marriage.   He 
came to the US in 1920 and married my aunt, Mary Elizabeth Lewis  (Luis).  
They had no children, but my widowed mother and I lived with  them.  They also 
helped raise some other children as well.  
 
His sister Rose also came to the US, not sure when.  She lived near  New 
Port, RI and in her later years wintered in Florida where here daughters and  
son live.  Rose married a man named Woodson.  
 
My uncle's other brother Antonio came to the US in the 60's as an older man 
 to be with his daughters.  His daughter Rose had come to the US in the 
50's  with her husband, Antonio Souza and two sons and they lived in  
California near us.  His daughter Maria came when he did and she never  
married.  
Antonio came first to the East and then came to California.  
 
Another brother, Joao was a half brother.  My Uncle Joe sent for  Joao's 
two sons, Manuel and Frank during the time of the volcano in the late  50's.  
Their sister Maria came to the US later with her husband and two  children 
and eventually Joao and his wife Maria also came to the US and lived  here in 
Ca near us.
 
I am very close to this family and am in contact with them regularly.   We 
consider ourselves related even though we are not blood related.  My  Uncle 
Jose Furtado Dutra had two cousins, Jose Garcia and Joao Da Rosa (later  
americanized to Rose).  I have early pictures of them together, but I am  not 
sure if the pictures where taken here or in the Azores.  They may have  even 
come to the US together.  There was also a Moitoso family that would  visit 
us the were related to my Uncle Joe.  I don't remember the husband's  name, 
but the wife was Maria, of course and sons were Frank and Manuel.   The 
whole family came from the Faial in the 60's also.
 
Oh and by the way, I also have Vargas relatives from Almoxarife.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 7/18/2011 9:16:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
ehsilve...@comcast.net writes:

Hi to  all,

I do have an uncle Jose Dutra who was born Dec 01, 1899 in  Ribeira Funda, 
Cedros, Faial. I don't know who he married, but I have six  children listed 
for him. Three each girls and boys. I have Jose Furtado Dutra  a 3rd cousin 
2x removed who was born Nov 04, 1900 in Santa Barbara, Cedros,  Faial, and 
Jose Furtado Dutra born Apr 25, 1899 Santa Barbara, Cedros, Faial.  I have 
them but no marriage or children recorded for either as of now. My  mother's 
father was Antonio Dutra Junior and her mother was Inacia Emilia da  
Conceicao Moitoso. 

Emil

Emil  Silveira

Currently Researching:

Names and Places;

Avila,  Horta, Angustias,  Faial

Silveira, Horta, Sao Salvador, Faial

Leal, Horta,  Angustias, Faial

Vargas, Horta, Almoxarife, Faial











-  Original Message -
From: cakemom...@aol.com
To:  azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 17:01:26 -  (UTC)
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from  Faial


Did any of these Furtados marry into the Dutra line?  My uncle by  
marriage was Jose Furtado  Dutra, born in Cedros in about 1899.   In 
his line, he had cousins named Rose and Garcia.  
 
Mary Ann  
 
 
In a message dated 7/15/2011 6:33:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
ja...@cdmmarketing.com writes:  
 
Sorry,  
didn’t attach the file. 
 
 
From:  
azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com]  On Behalf Of 
Jacki  G.
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 12:25  PM
To:  
azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE:  [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and 
George from Faial 
I  
too have Furtado’s in my line from Faial. Although, mine are  further back 
than 
the 1800’s.  
Attached,  
is some basic information. If anyone thinks they have  connections to any 
of 
these people, please let me  know.  As far as I know, they are all from 
Cedros,  Faial. 
Jacki  
Gentry  
Pittsburg,  
CA  
Surnames:  
Medeiros, Fernandes, Pereira, Pacheco, Machado, Furtado   
Islands:  
Cedros, Faial and Faja de Cima, Sao Miguel 
 
 
From:  
azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com]  On Behalf Of 
Bill  Eadie  Kothlow
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:47  
PM
To:  azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re:  
[AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from  
Faial 
 
Frank or  
JoElayne 
 
 
I have Furtado in  
my family from Faial...and lots of information - from the  sounds of your 
note, 
we are talking the same  family 
 
 
my cousin, Mary -  
her mother was a Furtado, lives in California and has done a  lot of 
research 
on this family 
 
 
Here is a sample  of 
the info I have - 6 of the Furtado's listed in this  attachment immigrated 
to 
America - either Rhode Island or  California 
 
 
 

 
- Original  
Message -  
 
From:_Frank or 
JoElayne  Johnson_ (mailto:joelay...@yahoo.com)  
 
To:_azores@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores@googlegroups.com)  
 
Sent: Wednesday,  June 
22, 2011 9:22 PM 
 
Subject: Re:  
[AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from  Faial 
 
 
 
There are quite a few of 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial

[Cakemom102]

Did any of these Furtados marry into the Dutra line?  My uncle by  marriage 
was Jose Furtado  Dutra, born in Cedros in about 1899.  In  his line, he 
had cousins named Rose and Garcia.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 7/15/2011 6:33:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
ja...@cdmmarketing.com writes:

 
Sorry,  didn’t attach the file. 
 
 
From:  azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of  Jacki G.
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 12:25 PM
To:  azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and  George from Faial

I  too have Furtado’s in my line from Faial. Although, mine are further 
back than  the 1800’s.  
Attached,  is some basic information. If anyone thinks they have 
connections to any of  these people, please let me know.  As far as I know, 
they are 
all from  Cedros, Faial. 
Jacki  Gentry  
Pittsburg,  CA  
Surnames:  Medeiros, Fernandes, Pereira, Pacheco, Machado, Furtado  
Islands:  Cedros, Faial and Faja de Cima, Sao Miguel 
 
 
From:  azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of  Bill  Eadie Kothlow
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:47  PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re:  [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from  Faial

 
Frank or  JoElayne
 

 
I have Furtado in  my family from Faial...and lots of information - from 
the sounds of your note,  we are talking the same family
 

 
my cousin, Mary -  her mother was a Furtado, lives in California and has 
done a lot of research  on this family
 

 
Here is a sample of  the info I have - 6 of the Furtado's listed in this 
attachment immigrated to  America - either Rhode Island or California
 

 

 


 
- Original  Message - 
 
From: _Frank or  JoElayne Johnson_ (mailto:joelay...@yahoo.com)  
 
To: _azores@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores@googlegroups.com)   
 
Sent: Wednesday, June  22, 2011 9:22 PM
 
Subject: Re:  [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial
 

 
 
There are quite a few of us from the  west coast. Maybe we don't post as 
often??? In the Bay Area there is a bunch  of us! Hopefully, you can connect 
with a cousin through this group. That has  been one of the benefits of this 
group for me. The other is learning about  the unique research skills and 
resources needed to research the Azores  genealogy. So far all of my knowledge 
of our ancestors has come through  cousins researching the same families. 
Don't forget to check all the  neighbors in the census. The immigrants tended 
to migrate together and  settle near each other. Good Luck!
 

 
 
JoElayne Ferre'  Johnson
 


 
 
  

 
From:  Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com
To: Azores Genealogy  Azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011  7:17 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from  Faial 
 
 
Repost for Judy G,   
gaarde at _frontier.com_ (http://frontier.com/) 
 

 
I am  searching Furtado and George line from Faial, Azores and am very new  
at
this.
 
Is  there a active Portuguese club of some sort for the Northwest states  as
most all posting I read are coming from east coast area and I do not  hear
Ellis Island or Northwest mentioned much??  
 
If  not this is what I know about my grandparents and great grandparents.  I
believe his birth records there have been destroyed by fire as I read  the
church in Saoal burned to the ground???
 
Grandfather: Antonio Rosa Furtado (possibly a Jr.?)  born 1892 Island of
Faial (maybe little town of Saoal), Azores I read the  church ( in Saoal)
that his records were in burnt down and they lost a  lot of informtion. 
 
Immigration - 1910 via Ellis Island (Ellis Island has  write up and picture
on wall of him) to Turner, Calif. Died 1971 Santa  Cruz, Ca. His father
possibly named Antonio R Furtado also. His Mother is  unknown to me. 
 
Antonio has a brother named Joseph (S or R?)Furtado who  settled in San
Francisco Bay area, California prior to Antonio's arrival.  There may be a
2nd brother Manuel Furtado who came over later. Such a  common name and
nothing to connect it too. 
 
1918  Antonio married Mary Elizabeth George - 1893 to 1986. Their
children  Dorothy Rose, Edward A, and Geraldine May (my mother) . My
Grandmother  Mary's parents are - Father - Antone F. George 1863 to 1949
,  
 
Immigrated in 1887 from Azores (island ?),.  
 
Mother is Mary J Martin 1872 to ? Maybe born here in  Bay area.?.
 
Married - 1893 in San Francisco area and settled in  Half Moon Bay,
California.- their children were: Mary Elizabeth, Joseph  F, Rose , Minnia
(Minnie), Antone Jr. and Clara.  
 
I  show Antonio and Mary made a trip to Lisbon in  1952.
 
Both  Mary and Antonio are buried in Santa Cruz, California where he  had
retired. I have hit a wall.
 
I am  still searching for distant cousins possibly in bay  area???
 
Judy  G
 
Morganti, Furtado, George, Martin- Faial  Azores
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Old Pictures

[Cakemom102]

Great pictures.  I also have pictures that were taken probably in New  
Bedford between 1892 and 1900.  Some I have figured out as to who they  were, 
but others I have no idea.  Of course, I can't bring myself to throw  them 
out.  My pictures belonged to my grandmother, Maria de Gloria Silveira  from 
Praia do Almoxirife, Faial.  She was born in 1874.  When she came  to 
California in about 1900, she married my grandfather, Jose Francisco Luis  
(Lewis) 
who was from Pedro Miguel, Faial.  He was born in 1857.  She  spent 8 years 
in New Bedford, but I have never found any records from the time  that she 
spent there.  Also, my grandmother is a descendant of the Vargas  or Vargus 
families that settled in the Bay Area.  Just thought I would put  it out there 
again.
 
Happy genealogy hunting,
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 7/8/2011 8:42:57 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
prinsu...@verizon.net writes:

 
 
Hi;
 
Although I read the posts it has been a long time since I have contacted  
the group.  It was through the group that I found the wedding info of my  
grandparents and a few other things.
 
My sister and I were going through a trunk of my mothers and found some  
pictures that I know nothing about, but since I know my mothers parents lived  
in Cambridge and Somerville Mass and some of these pictures are from Boston 
  Somerville just maybe someone will know who they are.  I know  nothing 
about them.  Maybe a member of someone else’s family.
 
There is also one from Providence RI, I know that is where my grandfather  
was before coming to Mass.  He moved to Cambridge after the death of his  
first wife.  Now my grandmother was Augusta (Martin) de Almedia (first  
marriage) Thomas (my grandfather)   My grandfather was Joseph (Joze)  Thomas 
(Thomaz)  His first wife’s name was Julia she died in RI.
 
This is just to give you an idea of where they might be from.
 
Alice Smith


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Debra surname

[Cakemom102]

Just be aware, that the NEPS site is not always correct.  I have  found 
several  mistakes on that site for my family.  I knew they  were mistaken, 
because I have copies of the original documents.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
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bpj...@aol.com writes:

Yes. It is on the NEPS sight, printed, so no chance for misreading. That  
is why I am so confused.
 
Thanks for the reply.
 
Janice





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Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 4:12 pm
Subject:  [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Debra surname


Are you certain that it is Debra, and not Dutra? 
 On Jun 7, 9:35 am, _bpj...@aol.com_ (mailto:bpj...@aol.com)  wrote:
  In researching my family in Lajes do Pico, I found the name Manuel 
Rodrigues 
 Debra. Has anyone come across the surname Debra in their research?
 
  Thank you.
  Janice Perry
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] confession logs

[Cakemom102]

I have seen copies of the confession roles for Pedro  Miguel, Faial.  Susan 
Vargas Murphy, who is on the list, copied them when  she was in the Azores. 
 I met Susan at a conference and she approached me  when she found out my 
ancestors were from Pedro Miguel.  That night I got  an email from her with 
the information about my grandfather going back several  years.  My 
understanding is that the priest went to each house yearly and  recorded who 
was 
living there and their age.  I am guessing that they are  called confession 
rolls since Catholics need to perform their Easter duty and  confess at least 
once a year and that is what he was checking on.  These  were very informative 
and I count it as one of my lucky days when I encountered  Susan.
 
Mary Ann
 
In a message dated 5/10/2011 1:50:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
pacheco.jess...@gmail.com writes:

Wow,  I've never heard of these before but they sound fascinating; has 
anyone  had any experience with them?

On 5/10/2011 11:38 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
 Suzanne,

 The priest went from home to home to  record the confessions.  The 
 confession rolls are held by the  church.  If they still exist, that is 
 where you would have to  look.  Since they are not vital records, they 
 will NOT appear on  the CCA web site.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Asking for a blessing

[Cakemom102]

I was taught to ask for a blessing from my Parent's,  Godparents and any 
Aunts and Uncles.  I would bring my hand up and kiss it  and say Benca,(sp?)  
Padrinho or whoever I was addressing.  This was  done with family members 
upon seeing them first thing in the morning and again  when we went to bed.  
For those who did not live with us, we would ask the  blessing upon seeing 
them whether it be at their house, at a festa or when they  visited us. My 
godson will still ask a blessing from me when he sees me and it  makes me 
nostalgic for the old days when it was a common occurrence. 
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 5/5/2011 7:26:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
jay_fr...@applimetrix.com writes:

 
Sorry, all- I sent this from a different email  address a few minutes ago 
and I think it bounced due to lack of permission to  post.  This address 
should work.
 
 
I know that in the old country, my Azorean  relatives would honor the 
custom of asking for the blessing of their  elders.  My Uncle Tony (who is 
actually my Grandmother's brother) told  me a funny story about attending 
family 
functions and funerals where my Great  Grandfather upon entering a room 
would see all of the old and imposing Aunts  lined up.  My Vavoo would get 
serious and tell Uncle Tony (with  emphasis), Now, you go up right away to 
them and ask for their blessing; I  don't want any trouble.  I always laugh, 
because I can picture my Vavoo  saying that.  And from family stories that 
were passed down, you sure  didn't want to mess with the old aunts in my 
family.
 
So, on the subject of the blessing, do any of you  know how it actually 
goes em Portugues, and a rough translation?  I was  thinking that it would be 
nice to teach to my kids for the next time that we  see Uncle Tony.
 
Thanks in advance, 
 
Jay

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage and the degree of consanguinity

[Cakemom102]

I know a couple that came from the Azores in the early 60's and were  
married in the Azores probably in the late 50's.  When they decided to  marry, 
they went to the local church to setup the wedding.  They were  related (don't 
know to what degree) and in order to receive the dispensation,  they had to 
do penance.  Their penance was to walk the stone courtyard in  front of the 
church barefoot at night and pray the rosary.  Maria said that  every time 
she stubbed her toe, she cursed the priest but they did get  married.  So, I 
am thinking that the dispensation was given by the local  priest.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 3/14/2011 11:48:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
celso95...@aol.com writes:

Good information, 
 
Do you know who gave or permitted the dispensation-was it the priest or  
bishop or someone else? Do you also know if all the requests for dispensation  
were approved, and if no, not why?
 
Thanks
celso-doing research on Anacleto's and Mato's from San  Jorge





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Sent: Thu, Mar 10, 2011 4:35 pm
Subject:  [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage and the degree of consanguinity


 
 
MARRIAGE AND THE DEGREE OF CONSANGUINITY
 
 
Mention is made in the record if a dispensation was need for  marriage.  
Dispensations were needed for blood relationships back to the  4th (quatro) 
degree (3rd cousins).  The record reads that a dispensation  was granted 
because the bride and groom were related to the 2nd (segundo)  degree.  
Sometimes 
they were related 2nd (segundo) and 3rd (terceiro)  degrees.  The 
relationship is easy to spot because of three  words  .  “Dispensados” and “
consanguinadade” which is  similiar to the  English, “consanguinity”  and 
meaning 
of the same blood; descended from  the same ancestor. The third word is  “grau
”, meaning degree.   Following are some examples:
“Forão  despensados no quatro grau de  consanguinadade”
“Forão dispensados em  segundo grau da parentes e de consanguíneo”
 
The blood relationship is as follows:
1. Primeiro grau (1st degree) is brother and sister.  This will never be  
seen.
2. Segundo grau (2nd degree) is first  cousin.
3. Terceiro grau (3rd degree) is  second cousin
4  Quatro grau (4th  degree) is third cousin.

Knowing the blood relationship can sometimes lead to the finding of  a 
missing ancestor.  It can also give a clue as to where to look for  other 
ancestors.  
 
 


 
 
In a message dated 3/10/2011 3:24:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
_kmh4sch@aol.com_ (mailto:kmh4...@aol.com)   writes:

Also  last night while researching I ran across a marriage record
that listed  something about 4th consanguinity.  I don't read
Portuguese well and  was hoping someone could give me some  help.
Thanks.




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fayal

[Cakemom102]

I have found that the information on the UMINO site is not  always correct. 
 My father's line on the Pico is correct, but my  grandfather's line on the 
Faial is not correct.  I have documentation to  support my grandfather's 
line and it does not match up with what they have  online.  I would use the 
UMINO site  as a starting place for dates and  places to search for 
documentation.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 3/9/2011 8:09:43 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
netadosaco...@aol.com writes:

 
You can see a map of the freguesias of Faial here:
_http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/faial.html_ 
(http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/faial.html) 
 
Cheri,
 
I was so excited when I went to this site.  Typed in  Francisco Gaspar.  
name appeared with Margarida de Serpa.  My info  from another area of UMINO 
site did not have de in her name so I figured it  could be a variation.  
This site listed parents for the Sr. Francisco  Gaspar and siblings as well, 
I was just so excited..
 
When I clicked on their son's name Francisco Gaspar 1673 - 1733,  again 
so excited this was a match for my tree.  Then he was  listed with a 
different wife and a whole new family.  So is it a match or  is this just a big 
coincidence of names and dates, or is it a match with an  additional wife.  
I've 
tried to go to the area where you can type in  relationship to and it 
either comes up Error or No  Match.  
 
There is another page where you can modify, delete or add  info to a person 
or family, but I wouldn't do this without doing research  at FHC Library of 
documentation of records. If someone was to modify  these records, is the 
change a permanent one to the site, or just for your own  record?  Just 
wondering if the input done can become junked up by anyone  like some of the 
trees on Ancestry.
 
Thanks for you input.
 
 
 
Ally
Vieira Anselmo in Ribeira Seca, Sao Miguel  
Pinheiro, Nunes, Silveira in Praia do Almoxarife and Pedro  Miguel, Faial
Silveira, Rodrigues in Sao Jorge







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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Vargas, San Leandro, Alameda Co.

[Cakemom102]

Looks like a field trip to Alameda someday.  Rosa  Martins never remarried 
and I don't know about children.  I have found a  couple of Rosa Martins in 
the census records, but I have no idea who her husband  was or where they 
were married.  Either one that I found would work.   I have a picture of who I 
believe is Rosa as an older woman with a little girl  who may have been a 
grandchild.  Also, another letter that I have that she  sent to my uncle is 
talking about either a son or grandson that my uncle brought  to Woodland to 
work on the dairy for a few days.  The letter is in  Portuguese and  my 
reading abilities leave a lot of be desired.I will let everyone know if I 
have a break through.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 1/31/2011 10:50:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
beso...@succeed.net writes:

 
You’re  welcome Mary Ann.  One additional item on Google Map, not always 
does it  show the exact house in the search engine.  Often I’ve found  the  
map/photo maybe a house or two off 
Did  your Rosa Martin’s ever remarry that you know of?  Did she have  
children?   
You  may want to check with the local library in Alameda county for their  
city directories during a specific time period (by name of Manuel Vargas and 
 Rosa Martin) in addition to their criss-cross directory where they can 
search  by address again for a specific time period.  You may find what name she
  was going by at that time.   
Good  luck! 
Robin  Borba Besotes 
 
 
From:  azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of  cakemom...@aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:45  PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re:  [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Vargas, San Leandro, Alameda  Co.

 
Thanks  Robin,
 

 
It  was interesting to see the street and house.  I am sure that work as 
been  done to it since I was there in the early fifties.  I will check out 
Find  A Grave and see if I come up with anything.  I do not know what his  
wife's name was, but with my luck, it was probably Maria. : )
 

 
Mary  Ann

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Vargas, San Leandro, Alameda Co.

[Cakemom102]

 
I am trying to find  when my grandmother's uncle died and where he is  
buried.  Here is what I know.  In the twenties, he was living in  Sacramento 
and 
sometime after that moved to Alameda County, I do not know if his  wife was 
still alive when he moved.  After he was widowed, his also widowed  niece, 
Rosa Martins, moved in with him to help care for him.  He was born  in Praia 
Almoxirife in the Faial in July of 1866.  He made a deal with his  niece 
Rosa that if she would move in with him, he would leave the house to her  when 
he died.  I have a letter from Rosa to my aunt, her niece, and the  address 
is 16919 or 16119 Ehle St, San Leandro.  The letter that I have is  dated 
1948 and she does not mention him.  I know that he was a fairly  old man when 
he died and I believe that he died in the forties. I remember  visiting the 
house in the early fifties and then we went to Lake Merritt.   He was no 
longer living at that time.   I would also like to know when Rosa  died, which 
I think would have been in the mid to late fifties, and where she is  
buried She was also born in the Faial in Praia Almoxirife to Rosa Delfina and  
Joaquim Silveira in 1883.  Is the street that I have an actual  street?  Does 
it still exist?
 
Mary Ann

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Vargas, San Leandro, Alameda Co.

[Cakemom102]

Thanks Robin,
 
It was interesting to see the street and house.  I am sure that work  as 
been done to it since I was there in the early fifties.  I will check  out 
Find A Grave and see if I come up with anything.  I do not know what  his 
wife's name was, but with my luck, it was probably Maria. : )   
 
Mary Ann
 
In a message dated 1/31/2011 2:03:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
beso...@succeed.net writes:

 
Mary  Ann, 
I  found various Manuel Vargas’ on _Find a Grave_ 
(http://www.findagrave.com/)  in Alameda  cemeteries.  Only one Rosa Martins in 
any Alameda 
cemeteries but the  birth years isn’t even close.  Keep in mind not all burials 
are 
on this  site.  I haven’t had a chance to check any other resources at this  
time.  Do you have a first name for his wife? 
The  road still exists – see Google Map link below: 
_http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=enrlz=1T4ADRA_enUS416q=16919+Ehle+St,+San+
Leandrowrapid=tlif129650756514910um=1ie=UTF-8hq=hnear=16919+Ehle+St,+Sa
n+Leandro,+CA+94578gl=usei=uyJHTbi0J5CqsAO65tz9AQsa=Xoi=geocode_resultc
t=titleresnum=1ved=0CBMQ8gEwAA_ 
(http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=enrlz=1T4ADRA_enUS416q=16919+Ehle+St,+San+Leandrowrapid=tlif129650756514910um=1ie
=UTF-8hq=hnear=16919+Ehle+St,+San+Leandro,+CA+94578gl=usei=uyJHTbi0J5Cqs
AO65tz9AQsa=Xoi=geocode_resultct=titleresnum=1ved=0CBMQ8gEwAA)  
Robin  Borba Besotes 
 
 
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Of  cakemom...@aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:22  PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy]  Manuel Vargas, San Leandro, Alameda Co.

 
 
I am  trying to find  when my grandmother's uncle died and where he is  
buried.  Here is what I know.  In the twenties, he was living  in Sacramento 
and sometime after that moved to Alameda County, I do not know  if his wife 
was still alive when he moved.  After he was widowed, his  also widowed niece, 
Rosa Martins, moved in with him to help care for  him.  He was born in 
Praia Almoxirife in the Faial in July of 1866.   He made a deal with his niece 
Rosa that if she would move in with him, he  would leave the house to her 
when he died.  I have a letter from Rosa to  my aunt, her niece, and the 
address is 16919 or 16119 Ehle St, San  Leandro.  The letter that I have is 
dated 
1948 and she does not mention  him.  I know that he was a fairly old man 
when he died and I believe  that he died in the forties. I remember visiting 
the house in the early  fifties and then we went to Lake Merritt.  He was no 
longer living at  that time.   I would also like to know when Rosa died, 
which I think  would have been in the mid to late fifties, and where she is 
buried She was  also born in the Faial in Praia Almoxirife to Rosa Delfina and 
Joaquim  Silveira in 1883.  Is the street that I have an actual street?  Does 
 it still exist?
 

 
Mary  Ann


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to Azor...

[Cakemom102]

My aunt always told the story of how the rest of my  grandfather's family, 
probably in the 1880's, and that they came around the  Horn.  I have never 
found where they disembarked, but I am thinking it had  to be around San 
Francisco, since my grandfather was in Sacramento.
 
Mary Ann M.
 
 
In a message dated 1/24/2011 8:05:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
gomes.ances...@gmail.com writes:

My great grandparents (grandfather's parents) Victorino (B:Nov 17, 1883,  d 
Jan. 1951) and Mary Gomes traveled through the horn to Honolulu, HI in  
1906.  


My Great-great grandparents Manuel and Mary Rodrigues traveled through  
the horn between 1887 and 1889.  


I have not researched the ship records for when the Cabral side of the  
family made the same trip, however both of my great grandmother from the  
Cabral and my great grandfather from th Rodrigues side (mentioned in the  
previous pargraph) were born in Hawaii.  


I wonder if there are relatives in the tree that immigrated to the East  
Coast instead of Hawaii.  But that is for another thread.  


Eric Gomes
Castro Valley, CA




On Jan 24, 2011, at 11:11 AM, _cakemom102@aol.com_ 
(mailto:cakemom...@aol.com)  wrote:





WBRMy grandmother, Maria de Gloria Silveira from Praia do Almoxirife  in 
Faial, came to Massachusetts in   She lived there for about 8  years and 
then she lost her job in one of the mills.  Her uncle, Manuel  Vargas, lived 
here in Sacramento and he was friends with Francisco Jose Luis  who had just 
lost his wife and was from Pedra Miguel a nearby area in the  Faial.  My 
grandmother was in her late twenties and not married.   When she wrote and told 
her uncle that she had lost her job, I'm guessing he  told her to come west 
and meet this widower he knew.  She came across  country by train and told 
my aunt that train robbers had tried to stop the  train.  She arrived in 
Sacramento and shortly after married my  grandfather, Francisco Jose Luis and 
became step-mother to his 6 almost  grown children.  She had 4 children of her 
own, two of which died in  infancy.  
 
Mary Ann M.





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From: Mary Bordi _genealogy@hununu.org_ (mailto:geneal...@hununu.org) 
To: _azores@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores@googlegroups.com) 
Sent:  Mon, Jan 24, 2011 10:18 am
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from  Azores to West Coast or West 
Coast to Azor...

Something else I  should have added to my post about my great grandfather 
coming by train from  Massachusetts to California is that we are fairly 
certain that he already  had at least one brother and maybe cousins here in 
California. He only  stayed in Massachusetts to pay off his passage to the US. 
I 
really would  like to know who the first one was who came and maybe I will 
find out  someday.  


Mary Bordi


On Jan 23, 2011, at 7:52 PM, _gracefalcone@aol.com_ 
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thank-you mary this is exactly the kind of information I was looking  for.  
Most of my azorean ancestors settled in Fall River, Swansea,  and New 
Bedford.  In my attempts to locate any that may have headed  West.  I am 
fascinated with how our azorean peoples migrated with  little to nothing after 
leaving the islands and got to California and  elsewhere.  best, grace
 
In a message dated 1/23/2011 7:04:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
_genealogy@hununu.org_ (mailto:geneal...@hununu.org)   writes:



On Jan 23, 2011, at 2:19 PM, _gracefalcone@aol.com_ 
(mailto:gracefalc...@aol.com)   wrote:


(3) Any thing else of interest you may have  regarding this journey would 
be  helpful.


I am not sure this is what you are looking for but...


My great grandfather (from Sao Jorge) came to Massachusetts around  1871 
and worked several years there before coming to California. When he  did, he 
came by train and he told my mother that the Indians played  tricks on the 
train as they were passing by.


Mary Bordi 



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dia dos Reis Magos

[Cakemom102]

When I was growing up, the Feast of the epiphany was always a special  day. 
 It was considered the end of the Christmas celebration and our  Christmas 
tree and decorations never came down before January 6th.
 
Mary Ann M.
 
 
In a message dated 1/6/2011 6:54:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
bretanha1...@gmail.com writes:

Hello  everyone

I want to wish everyone a wonderful - Day of The Three Kings -  Dia dos
Reis Magos.

It is a day that is celebrated in all Portuguese  and Spanish speaking
countries. It is the celebration of the end of the  Christmas season
and in some countries, this day has a greater importance  then
Christmas.



During the era of  the kings of France, bread was filled with a lima
bean, and the person who  found it in his bread would receive the gift
that His Highness had prepared  for the event.  The idea was to place a
lima bean in the bread dough,  which was usually filled with fruits
like dates and raisins, and this bread  was shared around the time of
the New Year festivities.

The  tradition changed a bit when it arrived to the Americas,
transforming  itself according to the customs and resources of our
country, where it  eventually became the rosca.  Here the rosca is
decorated with pieces  of orange and lime, and is filled with nuts,
figs, and cherries. Hot  chocolate accompanies the rosca.

So every year, on January 6,  families all across Mexico gather
around their tables to share the rosca de  reyes.  And now, instead of
finding a lima bean in the bread, a little  plastic doll representing
Jesus is placed in the bread.  The person  who receives a piece of
bread with this doll inside has to make the tamales  used in the fiesta
de la Candelaria on February 2.  This celebration  is the last of the
Christmas festivities, 40 days after Jesus's  birth.



According to the story, the three Wise Men (called in  that time
magicians, although they were actually astronomers) saw from  the far
east the birth of a star over the town of Bethlehem, and  they
discovered the meaning behind the star:  a savior had been  born.  They
traveled to Bethlehem, and along the way they found the  King Herod,
whom they told of the birth of the new King.  Herod  ordered them to
find the baby and return to give the news of the place  where the
little Messiah had been born.

The three wise men  found the baby in a manger, adored by shapers,
and they offered him three  gifts:  gold, which represented the
spiritual wealth of the child;  frankincense, which signifies the earth
and the sky; and Myrrh, the oil  which was used for medicinal as well
as spiritual purposes.  Upon  their return, an angel warned them that
they should not tell King Herod  about the birth of Jesus because his
plan was to kill the baby.  So  the three wise men returned by way of a
different path to their  homeland.



So every year we celebrate the Epifanía  (manifestation) of God on
earth to the Reyes Magos...who were neither kings  nor magicians.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FYI: Manteca Bulletin, Portuguese cultural class seri...

[Cakemom102]

This sounds wonderful, and I also wish that they were closer to  
Sacramento.  PHCS is still holding Portuguese language classes.  We  usually 
have a 
Spring and Fall  session.  The session for this last  fall were canceled do to 
a conflict that the teacher had.  We will be  having the classes this year 
and they will start in about a month or so.   The teacher, Higina, also has 
a youth language class in Elk Grove. Here is the  link for the Portuguese 
Historical and Cultural Society of Sacramento. I  will bring this up at the 
next meeting and see if we can get something started  to offer in this area.  
 
Mary Ann M.
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2011 10:12:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
bellema...@gmail.com writes:

Hi  Deanna and listers,

I live in Folsom, also, and wish they would have it  closer to
Sacramento.  If it were a one time thing it would make a  trip to
Manteca worthwhile but it goes on for a few weeks and it goes to  a
late hour (counting the trip back home).  They have this in  Manteca
once of twice a year if memory serves me correctly and I believe  they
get quite a turnout for it.  We did have Portuguese language  classes
in downtown Sacramento a couple of years ago but I believe they  were
was discontinued also and that was quite a journey on 50 to  St.
Elizabeth's in the rainy winter weather at 6 PM.  That teacher  also
lives in Folsom.

E

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FYI: Manteca Bulletin, Portuguese cultural class seri...

[Cakemom102]

This sounds wonderful, and I also wish that they were closer to  
Sacramento.  PHCS is still holding Portuguese language classes.  We  usually 
have a 
Spring and Fall  session.  The session for this last  fall were canceled do to 
a conflict that the teacher had.  We will be  having the classes this year 
and they will start in about a month or so.   The teacher, Higina, also has 
a youth language class in Elk Grove. Here is the  link for the Portuguese 
Historical and Cultural Society of Sacramento. I  will bring this up at the 
next meeting and see if we can get something started  to offer in this area.  
 
_http://www.sacramentophcs.com/history.htm_ 
(http://www.sacramentophcs.com/history.htm) 
 
Mary Ann M.
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2011 10:12:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
bellema...@gmail.com writes:

Hi  Deanna and listers,

I live in Folsom, also, and wish they would have it  closer to
Sacramento.  If it were a one time thing it would make a  trip to
Manteca worthwhile but it goes on for a few weeks and it goes to  a
late hour (counting the trip back home).  They have this in  Manteca
once of twice a year if memory serves me correctly and I believe  they
get quite a turnout for it.  We did have Portuguese language  classes
in downtown Sacramento a couple of years ago but I believe they  were
was discontinued also and that was quite a journey on 50 to  St.
Elizabeth's in the rainy winter weather at 6 PM.  That teacher  also
lives in Folsom.

E

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1910 Alameda County birth record

[cakemom102]

My mother was born at home in 1916.  Apparently, there was some disagreement at 
to what she was to be named and when my grandfather went into town to register 
her birth, he did so with the name that he wanted.  My mother was baptised as 
Anna and that is what the churdh records say and that is name that she went by 
her whole life.  However, when my mother applied for Social Security her birth 
certificate was not under that name.  After searching, a child named Filomena 
was found with correct date and parents.  She had to officailly claim that 
birth certificate as her own.  I've always thought that this story was kind of 
amusing, but not if you are the one looking for the record.

Mary Ann





-Original Message-
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To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, Nov 30, 2010 11:19 pm
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1910 Alameda County birth record


Just a little background on birth records.  Although official
ecording in California became mandatory in July 1905, it appears that
any people did not adhere to the policy until the late 1920s and
arly 1930s.
At that time, many women were still giving birth at home, which might
ttribute to the lack of early reporting.  But also I think people
ere fearful of the authorities--distrustful--and perhaps intimidated
n the immigrant communities.
On Nov 30, 1:14 am, netadosaco...@aol.com wrote:
 My Mother was born in 1928, in Benicia, CA.  She did not have a birth  
 certificate either, until she filed for Social Security.  She also had to 
have
 two relatives write a letter of identity for  her.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Catholic Church Records

[Cakemom102]

If they followed tradition, they would have been married in the bride's  
parish.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 11/23/2010 4:45:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
oldschoo...@gmail.com writes:

Does  anyone know the names of some of the older parishes in the North
Bay up by  Suisun, Vacaville, Fairfield, Vallejo, Napa etc.? I was able
to find the  Baptismal record of the Frank Vieira I was looking for in
1885 at St.  Alphonsus church, but was unable to located the marriage
record of his  parents (Francisco Jose Vieira and Maria Faustina). They
would have been  married in 1884 or slightly before. Maybe they were
married in a different  parish. Any ideas would be helpful.

Thanks,

David

On Nov 18, 3:56 pm, Shirley Sereque sh...@photix.com  wrote:
 Hi, Joanne!
 I am so thrilled with what you found!!!  Now I have the name of one of
 the babies who died.   :-)  Yes, I'd love to hear more.  I'm fairly
 sure my  grandparents attended the Polish church since they spoke Polish
 (at  one time, their part of Austria belonged to Poland).
 - Shirl  -

  Hi Shirl,
  I'm going away for a few days so  let me give you a few more pieces of
  info from the top of my head  that may click with what you've told me
  so far:
  1)  the Polish parish in Warren was St. Casmir and it has closed,
   however, its files have to be kept at another church in the area so
   I'll look that up when I return. Since your Mom's folks were from
   Austria they may have gone there. The Portuguese parish is St.  Thomas
  and they are still open.  The church with the  cemetery is St.
  Alexander's (Italian) and they should have the  records for it.  

  2) I am familiar with the last  name of Kozik since there is a priest
  in the Diocese of Fall  River (MA) by that name and I believe he may be
  half portuguese.  His name is Fr. Thomas Kocik, is stationed at Santo
  Christo  parish in Fall River and might be someone of interest for you. 
 

  When I return I'll look up where the files for St.  Casmir's are if you
  are interested.  Hope this helps for  now.

  */Joanne/*
  */
  /*
   *Joanne Medeiros Grota Mercier*
  Researching Bretanha  (Medeiros Grota, Sousa), Lagoa (Luiz) and Rabe de
  Peixe (Martins  Gouveia)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] St. Alphonsus Catholic Church Records - Suisun, CA

[Cakemom102]

Suisun, Fairfield and Vacaville, are in the Sacramento Diocese.   Suisun is 
closer to Fairfield in my opinion.  Current Parishes in Fairfield  are Holy 
Spirit and  Our Lady of Mount Carmel.  Current Parishes in  Vacaville are 
St Joseph and St Mary.  There are no parishes listed for  Suisun.  Since the 
parish no longer exists, their records may have been  relocated to the 
Diocese Office in Sacramento.  Their contact information  is:  Diocese of 
Sacramento Pastoral Center, 2110 Broadway, Sacramento, CA,  95818.  Phone: 
916-733-0100.  Web  address:http://www.diocese-sacramento.org   This might be a 
good 
 starting place to find the records that you are looking for.  Good  luck
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 11/16/2010 5:34:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
oldschoo...@gmail.com writes:

I  recently found the delayed birth record for one of my relatives
Frank  Joseph Vieira, and it stated that original certificate of
baptism was from  March 8, 1885 from St. Alphonsus Church in Suisun,
CA. Upon finding this  information out, I started to search for info on
St. Alphonsus Church but  have come up empty for the most part. I did
find that it was established  in1860, but the parish apparently does
not exist anymore so I was not able  to find out any other information.
What I was really hoping to find was the  marriage record of the
parents of Frank Joseph Vieira. They are Frank  Vieira and Maria
Faustina. I know that both of them were from the Azores  but different
Islands. I think he was from Flores and she was from Sao  Jorge. They
were probably married around 1884.

I am not even sure  what parish would get the records when they closed
down.

Any info  would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

David

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book about Festa History in Calif

[Cakemom102]

Portuguese Heritage Publications of California printed 6200 of these books  
and are now sold out.  It is a beautiful book, with many pictures from the  
various Holy Ghost Festas in California.  It goes into the history of the  
Festas up and down the state.  I purchased this book even before I realized  
that there were  pictures of me and also of my goddaughter in it.   Right 
now, they are preparing a book on the Portuguese churches of  California.  
The date keeps getting pushed back, and it looks like it might  be out toward 
the later part of 2011.
 
 
In a message dated 11/4/2010 2:04:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
marekdelacr...@yahoo.com writes:

 
Looks like a good bookthought I would share the link
 
_http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Ghost-Festas-Perspective-Portuguese/dp/097154080
2_ 
(http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Ghost-Festas-Perspective-Portuguese/dp/0971540802) 
 


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Musica Em Viagem

[Cakemom102]

For anyone who missed the Azorean concerts that were held this last weekend 
 in Sacramento, Tulare and San Jose, you can hear several of the selections 
on  You Tube.  Go to a search engine like Google or Dogpile and type in 
musica  em viagem and you can hear various selections from the concert.  This 
 group consists of musicians from the Azores, Canada and the US that only 
came  together recently in order to perform this concert.  Hope you all  
enjoy.
 
Mary Ann

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Aol tecnical support

[Cakemom102]

If you are using the free version of aol, tech support is pretty much  
impossible to come by.  You might try using Internet Explorer to download  the 
latest version of AOL.  If Explorer is not working, then you have a  
connection problem.  Good luck.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 8/4/2010 11:58:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
antonia...@aol.com writes:

What is AOL techinal suppory?  For 2 days i haven't been able to get  
online.  I keep getting the message 
570 user identifation failed.   I hope someone has the  number.Thank 
you... Toni 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: HENRIQUES, FREDERICO, GONSALVES, DE JESUS SILVEI...

[Cakemom102]

In the marriages for my family, the priest usually added in the degree of  
relationship.  Mine were from the 1800's, maybe they stopped doing this by  
the 1900's
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 8/2/2010 6:10:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
katharine.f.ba...@gmail.com writes:

From  Francisco A.N.P. Gomes' book, right?  I have this marriage line
dating  all the way back to:

MARTINHO DE FRAGA (born in Fajãs, son of ANTÓNTIO  DE FRAGA and ISABEL
COELHO) married at the Church of. São Pedro, Ponta  Delgada, on
November 15, 1688, to MARIA COELHO (daughter of MANUEL COELHO  FRAGA
and MARIA DE FREITAS).

(Sounds like cousin marriage to  me!).  Regards, Katharine (with an A
in the middle).


On  Aug 2, 2:05 pm, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote:
  Katherine,

 *marriage record from Sao Jose, Faja  Grande:*

 *Frederico Jose Henriques* [78 years, son of Manuel  Caetano Rodrigues and
 Maria de Jesus, and the widower of Mariana  Apolonia Goncalves]

 married on 16 Sep 1905 to

  *Maria da Conceicao Henriques* [ 71 years, daughter of Antonio de  
Freitas
 Pimentel and Ana de Conceicao, and the widow of Antonio  Pimentel Bras]

 *Marriage record from Nossa Senhora dos  Milagres , Lajedo*

 *Frederico Jose Caetano Henriques* [ 35  years,native of *Fajas, Lajes das
 Flores*, son of Manuel Caetano  Henriques and Maria de Jesus]

 married 3 Nov 1862  to

 *Maria Apolonia da Conceicao* [21 years, daughter of  Silvestre Antonio
 Goncalves and Ana de Jesus]

 Eric  Edgar
 On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Katharine  
katharine.f.ba...@gmail.comwrote:



   Does anyone have information they could please share on the following
   individuals who would have been adults living in Fajãzinha, Flores,  in
  the mid-1800s?

  1.  JOSÉ FREDERICO  and his wife ANNA LUÍSA, who lived on Rua das Moças
  (Maiden  Lane).

  José Frederico's mother was ISABEL  LUÍSA.

  Anna Luísa's parents were VITORINO JOSÉ DA  SILVEIRA and MARIANNA DE
  JESUS.

  2.FREDERICO JOSÉ HENRIQUES and his wife MARIANA PILÁNIA (usually
   given as APOLLÔNIA), who lived on Rua do Espinhaço (Ridge  Street).

  Frederico José Henriques' parents were MANUEL  CAETANO HENRIQUES and
  MARIA DE JESUS.

   Mariana Apollônia's parents were SILVESTRE ANTÓNIO GONSALVES and ANNA
   DE JESUS.

  3.  PAULINO JOSÉ HENRIQUES and his  wife ANNA DE JESUS.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Silva Name

[Cakemom102]

Are any of the Silva/Silveira lines form the Praia do Almoxirife or Pedro  
Miguel in the Faial.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 3/16/2010 8:51:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
brat.l...@hotmail.com writes:

Laura, I  also have Silveira and Silva from Faial in my lineage. I am 
curious if you may  also have de Andrade lurking somewhere?
thank you, Lisa

 

From: lharrah...@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:23:51 -0400
Subject:  Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Silva Name
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Eugenia,
 
Enjoyed the interesting Silva information.  My dad's side of  the family 
were Silva, Silveira, Silvia, da Silva from Faial.  
 
Laura
 
 
 
In a message dated 3/16/2010 11:21:33 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
eugenia...@yahoo.com writes:

Greetings:

I check my database on Portuguese Names and Their  Meanings and found
the following for SILVA.  I hope this helps in  your research.  The
name is found in many places and in many  families.

Eugenia



Silva -

Abbreviation:  Sil

Silva is a feminine name.

Portuguese Name's  abbreviation of da Silva, is Sil.
(o) A letter is bracket ( ) it means  that the letter is written very
small and higher up beside the other  letters in the original documents
(same as the o in the degree  Celcius).
Information is from:
The internet, Title:  centeremPortuguese Genealogy  abbreviations
Helper./head Web page:  
http://www.frenet.edmonton.ab.ca/%7Efcandido/abbreviation.html,
date  printed: 11/29/97, page 3 of 3.

Silva, da Silva, Sylva: Silva in  Portuguese, Silver in American as
surnames
Information is  from:
Doug da Rocha Holmes, NAMING TRADITIONS, SURNAME TYPES,  OProgresso,
Dece. 1995, Vol. 14, No. 4, page 10.

Silva -  surname common in Prainha do Norte; Madalena, Pico; Faial
Information is from:
Doug da Rocha Holmes, SURNAME ORGINS, 1995, page  3.

Silva - change to Cunha.
A family name in the Azores.
Information is from the book:
James H. Guill, A HISTORY OF THE AZORES  ISLANDS, Golden Shield
International, Vol. 5, 1993, page  198.
'
Silva -
Silva - Change from Teles.
Alfredo Silva Sampaio  (1862-1929) owned a private Botanical Garden
(Azorean Flora).
Information is from the book:
James H. Guill, A HISTORY OF THE AZORES  ISLANDS, Golden Shield
International, Vol. 5, 1993, page 32, 235,  236.

Silva - This is a surname commonly used in Portuguese and  Brazilian
Portuguese.
Information is from:
BASIC PORTUGUESE  PALEOGRAPHY, The Genealogical Department of the
Church of Jesus Christ of  Latter-day Saints, Series II, No., 20, 1978,
page 27.

Silva - is a  family name of an early Portuguese immigrant in
California.
Information is from:
Carlos Almeida, PORTUGUESE IMMIGRANTS, Published by:  The Supreme
Council of U.P.E.C., San Leandro, CA,1978, page  270.

Silva - meaning: Whistle, shrill sound.
Information is from:
Portuguese Names and Their Meanings - Hawaii,  AMERICAN PORTUGUESE
GENEALOGICAL AND HISTORICAL SOCIETY, INC., Spring  1997, Vol. XVIII,
No. 2.

People in Portuguese History:
Silva - The enlightened period of Portuguese history under Jose
after  1755.  The chief architect was the Marquis do Pombal.
His successors  were secretaries of state in the reigns of Maria and
John, such as:
1.  Jose de Seabra da Silva (Secretary of Interior, 1788-1799)
2. The Count  of Linhares, Rodrigo de Sousa Coutinho (Secretary of the
Navy, 1795-1803;  Secretary of Foreign Affairs and War, 1807-1812)
Information is  from the book:
A.H. de Oliveira Marques, HISTORY OF PORTUGAL, Columbia  University
Press, Vol. 1, 1972, page 406.

Portuguese  Poets:
1. Bocage (1765-1805), a pre-romantic who lived a miserable  life and
died in poverty;
2. Filinto Elisio (1734-1819), who  died in exile in France;
3. Cruz e Silva (1731-1799);
4.  Correia Garcao (1724-1772).
All of these people were poets and all of  bourgeois origin.
Information is from the book:
A.H. de  Oliveira Marques, HISTORY OF PORTUGAL, Columbia University
Press, Vol. 1,  1972, page 412.

1820 – The great names of the revolution, were the  following:
Fernandes Tomás,
Ferreira Borges, and
Silva  Carvalho
All jurist and bureaucrats who together took over  the
secretariates of interior (Reino) and
finance (Fazenda).
Information is from the book:
A.H. De Oliveira Marques, HISTORY OF  PORTUGAL, Columbia University
Press, 1972, Vol. 2, page  55.

Portuguese Writers:
1. Alexandre Herculano;
2. Rebelo da Silva (1822-1871);
3. Andrade Corvo (1824-1890);  and
4. Arnaldo Gama (1828-1869).
Information is from the  book:
A.H. de Oliveira Marques, HISTORY OF PORTUGAL, Columbia  University
Press, Vol. 2, 1972, page 38.

People in Portuguese  History:
Governor Celestino da Silva, ruled Timor for fourteen  years
(1894-1908), achieved full conquest of the Portuguese part of  the
island.
Information is from:
A.H. de Oliveira Marques,  HISTORY OF PORTUGAL, Columbia University
Press, NY, Vol. 2, 1972, page  118.

Portuguese in the Arts:
1. Soares dos Reis  (1847-1889), a sculptor;
2. Silva Porto (1850-1893), a  

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] San Francisco and Oakland, CA

[cakemom102]

Oakland and the surrounding areas still have a large portuguese  
population.  The surrounding areas would include Hayward, Milpitas,and  
Alameda.  
Further down, there are San Jose and Santa Clara.There are still  some large 
portuguese celebrations held in those areas.  As for the Wine  Country, that 
would be Napa and Sonoma counties and would include towns such as  Napa, Santa 
Rosa, Sebastopol, Petaluma and Bodega Bay.  Back in the day,  there were a 
lot of dairies in those area also and many portuguese were milkers  on them. 
 Good luck with your search
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 1/17/2010 2:55:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
bbffr...@comcast.net writes:

Hello,

I found out last year that Francisco Frank MOURA and  his family
probably lived in Oakland, CA.And I believe that  is right beside
San Francisco.So, I'm curious if there was  and is a large
Portuguese / Azorean community  there.

Elsie  MOURA arrived in Boston, MA ~1905, and possibly with a sister,
Rosa MOURA,  both young girls.I don't know who they traveled
with.   Their mother and younger sister, Carolina, arrived ~1910 to
join  them.They had 2 brothers, Francisco MOURA and Manuel  MOURA,
and I only have tidbits of information on them.I'm  guessing they
arrived shortly after 1910. I don't know  if they lived in
different MA cities before they left the state.   Manny moved to
Brooklyn, NY,  where census shows other MOURA  families lived.But,
Frank moved to reportedly wine  country in CA.   I found out it was
probably Oakland.   Elsie was my (now) husband's  grandmother.

Betty (near Lowell, MA,  USA)





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico

[cakemom102]

My Dad was from Pico.  University of Minho has all of the areas  online.  
Take what they have as starting point.  The address is listed  below.  On the 
first page, click on Ilha do Pico and on the next page,  click on the area 
on the map that your relatives were from.  You may be  asked to do it again 
and then you will reach a page that has an arrow in a box  near the bottom 
and you will click on it.  When the next page loads, you  will see a bunch of 
flags.  Click on the British flag and from then on  everything will be in 
English.  There are mistakes in these files, but it  will give a place to 
start.  By the way, I was just in Fresno this weekend,  I live near Sacramento.
 
 
_http://www.neps.ics.uminho.pt/açores.html_ 
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Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 1/5/2010 9:44:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu writes:

Just  curious: Is anyone researching on Pico ? I see a number of posts
regarding  Graciosa, Sao Miguel and Sao Jorge, but not Pico where my
grandmother  originated.

Gayle


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Pedro Miguel, Faial on U of Minho site

[Cakemom102]

Genealogies for Pedro Miguel Faial  are now posted on the University  of 
Minho site.  See web address below.  I am excited, this is where my  
Grandfather is from and I have been waiting patiently.  Now I will wait for  
the 
Praia de Almoxarife ( excuse the spelling ) where my grandmother was  from.
 
_http://www.neps.ics.uminho.pt/açores.html_ 
(http://www.neps.ics.uminho.pt/açores.html) 
 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: translation

[Cakemom102]

I have photographed records on the microfiche machine and have used my  
Kodak digital 5 mp.  Using a tripod is useful if you don't think you can  hold 
it steady.  I also took one picture with flash and one without just to  be 
sure.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 8/21/2009 9:55:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
cnsp...@aol.com writes:

I would be interested in what  camera you used to photograph this.
Thank You,
Pat Anselmo  Nostrome





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From: Tish Meals  tish.me...@gmail.com
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, Aug  20, 2009 3:43 pm
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation

Hi  
I was hoping someone could help me with a translation. The record is from  
Santa Barbara, Island of Santa Maria.
I photographed this from microfiche and if anyone is interested will tell  
you what machine, camera, etc was used.


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: PORTUGUESE YAMS - INHAMES

[Cakemom102]

You can find them in grocery stores sometimes, but old timers always have  
them growing in their garden.  We used to cook them in a pressure cooker.  
but they can be baked or boiled.  I remember eating them with meals like a  
potato and also chopping them up in a bowl and adding milk and sugar like you 
 would cereal.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 7/28/2009 10:25:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
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I used to love these but haven't had them for years - was wondering if  
they were available in massachusetts - can't remember how my grandmother  
cooked them - boiled or baked - thanks - carmen











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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Posting

[Cakemom102]

I read, but don't post much since very little pertains to my lines in the  
Pico and Faial.  Since I read that some listers don't want a lot  of extra 
posts I edit myself and do not post.
 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Veterino? Bettencourt? Vieira? Oliveira?

[Cakemom102]

Nancy Jean, 
I feel for you, but one thing that I have learned is that our ancestors  
changed names like we change underwear.  Also, it is not uncommon for  children 
from the same parents to go by different last names.  My  grandfather went by 
Mendes and his brother by Azevedo and they have the same  parents.  Go figure.  
My ggrandmother on my mother's side, gives  different combinations of names on 
the baptismal records of some of her seven  children so does her husband.  
The first names seem stable, it's the middle  and last names that change into 
different combinations.  Maybe they want to  honor a certain part of their 
family on that particular day.  Who  knows.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 3/4/2009 9:15:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
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Greetings Group,

I'm very confused.all these names! I  sent to Saint John the Baptist 
Church in New Bedford for the marriage records  of two sets of my 
GGrandparents..1888, AntonioTexiera Baptista (Sao  Jorge)and Maria 
Catherina Cabral (Santa 
Maria).only surprise in those  records were the witnesses, apparently she 
had a brother in this country so  that is a good clue to pursue.

My problem is my GGrandfather, my  Moms mothers father, Joseph Veterino, 
(b.1863 Sao Jorge), he always  said that he was Joseph Veterino Bettencourt, 
and 
my Mom has old pictures of  he and a brother who used the last name 
Bettencourt. He married Frances Rose  Enos (b. 1868 or 69 Sao Jorge)..who 
had a 
brother, Frank Lemos, so I was  able to find her in the ships arriving and her 
real 
name was Rosa Francisca  Lemos.

Next I found their civil marriage record in NEGHSJan  7, 1893he's 29, 
he gives his name as Jose Enos Victorino and his  fathers name as Thomazo de 
Vieira and his mother is Anna Joaquinajust says  from Sao Jorge for both 
he and Frances Rose.she gives her name as  Francisca Roza Lemosparents 
Manuel Silveira Lemos and mother Anna  Bernarda.

So I asked St. Johns for the record of the marriage, I  mentioned that I 
wanted to know parents names. They sent me the Certificate  of Marriage and a 
letter with him listed as Jose Enos Victorino...Sao  Jorgeson of Thomas d' 
Oliveira and Anna Joaquina. I have no idea now  who he really was! Her info 
was the same as NEGHS had.

I'm at a  lossI have been looking at the Sao Jorge baptisms in the CCA 
site for  1863not quite finished..

Suggestions?

I know  that Frances Rose had a sister Anna Lemos who married a man named 
Frank  Azevedo


Joseph Veterino and Frances Rose, they lived on  Rockdale Ave. in New Bedford 
and had:
8  children

George Veterinodied unmarried
Clara .my  Grandmothermarried Emanuel Joseph Perry
Frank  who  married..Clara Morris (Morais?)
John married Anna Fernandes
Joseph  married Stella ?
Rose married Antone Gracia
Frances married Fred  Salles
Anna married George Smith

Can anyone connect with my  mystery family?


Thank you,
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ribeirinha has been added to Faial Database - NEPS Dat...

[Cakemom102]

Does anyone know how they decide which area to work on next?  I am  patiently 
waiting for Pedro Miguel and Praia Do Amoxarife.
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 1/25/2009 2:36:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
deeme...@aol.com writes:

Ribeirinha was added to the Faial Database on January 22.  This  is part of 
the Núcleo de Estudos  de População e Sociedade Database  --- _Universidade do  
Minho_ (http://www.uminho.pt/) .  See  below:
 
 _Genealogy  - RIBEIRINHA_ (http://sarmento.eng.uminho.pt/cgi-bin/geneweb?b=
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: filha d' outra

[Cakemom102]

We had a friend whose name was Quiteria and she went by Katie here in the  
USA.  There may not be a translation, but I am going to check with Katie's  
granddaughter and see if she knows.

Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 1/16/2009 9:58:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
kmacard...@mac.com writes:


Hi  Mary

I don't know if this is the definitive answer on Quiteria and  what  
name it is in the U.S. but an ancestor of my husband's from  Faial, was  
named Quiteria Felicia and went by the name of Gertrude  here in the  
U.S. Hope that helps. Maybe there are others  too?

Kathy

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 I've come across  a woman who is referred to a filha d' outra which
 sounds to me like  daughter of other. Anyone know what this might
 mean--like maybe her  parents are unknown?

 In an 1839 birth record the baby was  baptized at home by Maria
 Quiteria, solteira, filha d' outra. Then a  week or so later this same
 woman had a baby of her own and she is  identified the same way, with
 no parents indicated.

  From my research I am assuming that Quiteria is her middle name,
 not  her last name, because so far I have only seen it used as a first
 or  middle name.

 By the way, is there an English equivalent for  Quiteria? The person
 I am asking about is not in my line but I do  have at least one
 Quiteria who is.

 Thanks for any  info. I feel so lucky to have the Norte Grande records
 available  online at the http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/ig/registos/
 site, but  I am spending entirely too much time looking through them!

  Mary

  




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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Tracking Relative

[Cakemom102]

Our newspaper offers a free obituary that is very complete.  It lists  all 
survivors and those who have predeceased and the time of the services.   This 
is 
handled by the funeral home. I think it depends on the size of the  town.  In 
the large city near us, I believe that all obits are paid  for.  Hopefully, 
your relative resided in a small town for most of their  life, since we still 
have obits published of people who lived here years  ago.  Of course, someone 
has to let the paper know in order for it to be  published.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 1/15/2009 11:20:25 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
morinmi1...@gmail.com writes:

It can be placed in both places (as Cheri mentioned) or not at all. The  cost 
to place an obit can be
prohibitive if the person didn't have insurance. Some  newspapers (present 
day) do have a free placement but it's like one  sentence. I'm finding many of 
my relatives families didn't have obits for the  deceased. In my most recent 
experience, my aunt (Homen/Homem) passed away two  months ago. She lived in Los 
Angeles for 45 years but as she got older her  association with people got 
less and less. Since most of her siblings still  live in New Bedford and she 
was 
born there, I put the obit in that local  paper and not in LA. 
 
Her wish was to be cremated but she does want her  her twin sisters  ashes 
to be buried with their parents. In this scenario the funeral home would  have 
mailed her ashes to the cemetery of choice by Priority Mail  or I can do it 
myself and make arrangements directly with the  cemetery.
 
As Eric mentioned I would request an informational copy of the death  record 
from the county. 
 
Best of luck...
 
1/14/09, Charlene  _researchp...@gmail.com_ (mailto:researchp...@gmail.com) 
  wrote:
 

I  have a relative that died in one county in the 1960's, then was
buried in  another. Both are in California but about 400 miles apart. I
can find no  obit in the county in which he died. I called the cemetery
where he is  buried, and they are not going to give any information. I
am trying to  find where his children went, if he had any brothers or
sisters. Does  someone have an obit in the city where they are buried,
or is it usually  just skipped because he wasn't living there when he
died?

The  cemetery won't look up the records and tell me the funeral home or
any  other information. It is in the Los Angeles area. Does a family
contract  with two funeral homes to transfer a body, then bury it, or
how does that  work?  Any ideas how to get more info? I thought if I
could get  the funeral home on one of his relatives, I could probably
get info that  would open up the rest. No luck.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Linguicia

[Cakemom102]

I have a recipe for linguica, but it is not for the faint of heart.  I  
believe it starts out with abour 50 lbs of meat.  I will post it when I get  
home 
from work.  This is the recipe that my mother and aunt would use when  my uncle 
butchered pigs out on the ranch.
 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean Customs/ Jewelry

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My children who have azorean godparents were all given the little hand when  
they were babies.  I was told it was called a figa  (that is a  phonetic 
spelling).  It is to ward of the evil eye and those who would try  to put a 
curse 
on you.  Anyone who has relatives born in the Azores knows  that there were 
and are a lot of superstitions.  It is believed that there  are people who will 
go up to a baby and say  how beautiful they  are and at same time place a 
curse on them that can only be removed  some  woman in the village with a 
special 
power.  This figa is somehow supposed  to protect them from that.  I guess it 
is supposed to work the same way for  adults also.  In a nutshell it is to 
keep a person safe from curses.
 
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