Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 17, Issue 21

[Diane O'Dell]

For the fleas:

I like *Virbac's Knockout spray *(give it about 30 minutes to dry before
kitties walk across and ventilate, of course). It can be used on all
fabrics (curtains, bedding). It kills all stages up to 6 months. Cheapers
(a bit) on Amazon (so use Smile.Amazon to support your 501c3 of choice!).

Also, to everyone who deals with fleas … and has multiple pets (or if
you're running a shelter and need larger quantity): I HIGHLY RECOMMEND
(safe, kosher, made fresh in NY by family who cares … and flavored to mix
in food) … *www.littlecitydogs.com *  Ms.
King can answer questions and you can *tell her I sent you*. I LOVE to
spread this word, once I learned of her products in the flea
(tapeworm/heartworm) battle.  Because her *Capstar EQUIVALENT* (instead of
$45 for 6 which … if you have six cats is only ONE day of treatment for
ADULT BITING stage fleas) … is AS EFFECTIVE flavored and* SO MUCH CHEAPER*.


I fully trust this product after research/experience - and the family who
makes it. I hope it helps all of you/shelters to save money. There is also
an ingestible once-a-month flea treatment if you're caring for feral
colonies, etc. And I am loving my new $4 Oster Flea comb from Amazon to get
"flea dust" by another means …



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>1. Plan for Coco (Kelley S)
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>3. Re: Merlin has gone to the bridge (dlg...@windstream.net)
>4. Re: Merlin has gone to the bridge (Lorrie)
>5. Re: Plan for Coco (Lorrie)
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>7. Re: Merlin has gone to the bridge (Katherine K.)
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> Coco is FELV+ kitty #2.  My plan for her so she doesn't feel so alone until
> I can bring myself to mix (all other kitties have tested negative, some
> multiple times) is to buy a large cat condo and put her in it at least a
> couple hours a day out here.  Now, what I want to ask yall about is
> spaying.  She is unsprayed.  There is NO chance of her getting out (she'd
> have to get out of the FELV room, then out of the basement, then upstairs
> then out an exterior door upstairs, which is not going to happen, plus when
> we leave we go out the garage door to go out so if anyone WERE to follow us
> they'd still just be in the garage).  As long as I've had her she has never
> seemed to go into heat.  If she did it was a silent heat.  Is it more
> stressful to spay her or more stressful to not spay her?
>
> She is a beautiful medium hair orange girl.
>
> I am going to ask the doctor about Winstrol for her.  I am debating taking
> her to the holistic vet but she is so expensive here ($400 for an initial
> visit).  I have her on Standard Process Feline Immune System support 1
> tablet 2x day.  I am putting a Seresto collar on her if I can keep it on
> her  We have a bad flea problem here and nothing I am doing is helping.  I
> have lived all over the south and this is the worst flea problem I've ever
> seen.  We have tried  diatomaceous earth.  Advantage doesn't do much at
> all.  Revolution works for a little while.  I have some Advantage spray
> which kills adults, larva and eggs to spray on carpeted furniture  I am
> taking the blankies out of that room and wash them in hot water and dry on
> high heat to kill eggsEven our vet does not know what to do.  I am
> declaring WAR on these flea.
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Also, just because your condos all look alike, that doesn't mean William
will be confused. He would know your place by the scent of you that's around
it. You could put out a piece of clothing you have worn, maybe even
perspired in, to show him the way home. 

 

Diane R.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Beth
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Patricia -

Have you put up flyers around your complex?
I had a cat escape when some workers were working at a condo I used to live
at. We didn't see him for a week, but still put out food  let all the
neighbors know. A neighbor spotted him  we found he was living in a crack
between 2 buildings. I had to hire a professional pet rescuer to get him.
out. It took 2 weeks to get him back.
I really had thought I would never see him again, but, my vet told me to
keep looking. She said cats rarely ever go far.
I hope you find your baby.

Beth

 

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/21.gif  www.Furkids.org
http://www.furkids.org/ 

 

 

  _  

From: Patricia Romagna msp...@verizon.net
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 8:15 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Hi, 

 

I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions.  My cat, William (as in
Shakespeare) ran away last month.  I just hope that he found a loving
family.  When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to
my house just in case he returned home.  I live in a townhouse community so
every house looks the same and he never left the house before.  I will
probably get another high needs cat.  I adopted William knowing that he had
leukemia.  Basically I want to adopt a cat that no one else wants.  Wishing
all of the best to the members of the group.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Nitnoy and felv

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

I'm so sorry. Gentlest of Bridge vibes to Nitnoy, she deserves a good rest.
And so do you. Hugs.

Diane R.

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dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 5:08 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Nitnoy and felv

My Nitnoy crossed over today at 12:45.She had been with me since 2008,
survived a raccoon biting of her tail and being FELV +.  There was nothing
to idicate whaat was going on.  During the holidays, she was not doing well
so took her to ER.  They did x-rays and complete bloodwork.  I had told them
she was FELV+ but they did not seem upset that she was just 1 point low on
red and white cells.  After the holiday, I took her to my vet as she was not
improving, had not passed urine or stool.  First thing he did was look at
her anal glands.  They were impacted and infected.  He cleaned them out and
gave her Covina and we brought home Orbax to be given once daily.
Everything was much better, she was back to her self.  Then Friday, she
began hiding, not eating or drinking so took her to vet on Saturday.  ONE
THING SHE DID THAT STRUCK ME ODD - SHE TRIED TO EAT THE FIRBARK THAT MY
ORCHIDS ARE PLANTED IN.  Sat when we got to vet, my dr was not there, but
his wife (also a vet) was.  She said her lymph glands were slightly enlarged
and gums very pale.  We did another blood panel.  Her white cells were .98
and her red blood cells were 3.2.  Kidney and liver functions were normal as
were creatine and bun.  We thought about going to ER for transfusion, but
she would have to stay over the weekend in a cage and we decided the stress
would outweigh any good it might do plus her body might just kill the new
blood and we would be right back where we started plus stress.  Again, gave
Covina shot and started again on Orbax.  I wanted to try a tonic that has
worked wonders on cancers, etc.  Vet said ok but keep a record of what I did
in case it worked.  She actually seemed to improve.  I was feeding with an
eye dropper aruond 50 ml every hour (i can ad mixed with 3 cans hot water so
she could swallow and also to egt fluids into her.  She got around 50ml of
tonic also.  She took a turn for the worse this am at 3:30, but then seemed
to get better.  She was breathing easier, heart was strong and she responded
to my voice and touch.  By 12:45, she had gone completely the opposite
direction.  I was holding her aganst me as she seemed to like the body
warmth when she gasped 3 or 4 times and the light in her eyes went out.  I
knew she was going and I told her it was all right.  She held on with her
claws, gave a sigh and that was all.

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Re: [Felvtalk] President

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Um, I don't think the guy who was President the last 4 years caused ANY of
the problems you mention. In fact, I know he didn't. I'm pretty sure in fact
that his predecessor did, and the new person is from that same party and
has that same agenda. We had the worst recession since 1929, and if you've
read any American History, that catastrophe took almost 10 years to recover
from, and that was with Congress more or less working together.

Diane R.

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lisa Conner
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] President

Ok.. you are profiling and that is just plain wrong:)   If we have the past
4 yours as the next 4 years,  there will be a mass revolt.
Seriously, from mass job losses, no growth of our country,  the division of
our country,  we have to take a chance on a new person:) It can't get any
worse.  That is my 2 cents!

Now , back to our Felv + kitties.  I am fairly new to this group and joined
because of losing my cat, Prancer.  He lived for 9+ years, a very healthy
life. Then bang, like a whirlwind, we lost him.  So my two questions to this
group is the following:

How many of you have a Felv cat that is 9 + years old and extremely healthy?
Have any you used Interferon for your cat?

The reason for the above questions is because my Vet ( Great Vet!!)  A
Father /Son  team both informed me that they have never seen a cat with Felv
live as long as Prancer and be in such great health.  Prancer was on
Interferon off and on for 4-5 years.  I swear by it!  And it is fairly
inexpensive.. $26 for a bottle.  Looking forward to your feedback!  Thanks!

Best Regards,

Lisa 

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   2. Re: Bow Hunting (dlg...@windstream.net)
   3. Re: Declaw (dlg...@windstream.net)
   4. Re: for Lee (dlg...@windstream.net)
   5. Re: Flea Products (Joslin Potter)


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Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:26:39 -0500
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Problem is that they have all lost sense of reality.  They have no
understanding of what it means to be middle class or poor.  They have all
been privileged tooo long

 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 I agree that neither candidate can make animal rights/welfare a major 
 issue in this election and I also agree that the economy is the major
issue that impacts our rescues and other people's companion animals the
most.? Then I look at the incumbent and see a man who was trussed up like a
chicken about to go into the rotisserie and I see who did the trussing up,
the Republican Senate.? I look at who started the sub-prime mortgage mess
that led to so many people losing their homes and I see a Republican
President allowing banks and stock brokers and CEO's of investment companies
to have free rein to grab the money and run.? I see an ineffectual congress
trying to get a fair tax program wherein people earning over a quarter of a
million dollars a? year would pay their fair share of taxes to run the
country.? Then I see Republicans putting up road blocks by saying that
businesses would have to shut down if taxes were raised.? Who the heck ever
mentioned  businesses?? The problem is INDIVIDUALS who are rolling in money.
I see Republicans coming in with smoke and mirrors and clouding the issue,
confusing people into thinking that the tax hike would be on businesses.? I
see a ridiculous-on-both sides health care plan with over a thousand pages
of gibberish regulations.? What's wrong with just extending Medicare and
Medicaid to everyone?? What's the problem with not re-inventing the wheel
and adopting the Canadian health care model?? Then my friends tell me that
we need a business man with a good sense of the economy to run the country.?
And I say, these are the same people who ran the country off a cliff for 8
years.? I don't think I want them in the drivers seat again.? Just my

Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Don, 

 

How cool that  this worked out so well! I hope that acne clears up quickly.
;-) Skritches to Oliver.

 

Diane R.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 8:35 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

 

Just an update. I took Oliver in today as he has some pretty bad acne on his
chin and while we were there I had them do a retest (snap) FIV/leukemia
test.  He was negative for both, so it appears as the first positive test we
got about a month ago was a false positive and the infection he had was
likely just another virus.  We pretty much expected this once the IFC tests
were both negative but it was nice to have confirmation.
Thanks for the all the replies with advice.
Don and Oliver

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello.
Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF
last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been
reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this
August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the
touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a virus
(most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell count, now
2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature). He
suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out
even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap
test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad
news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the
FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has),
but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and
the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks
he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the symptoms.
So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see much hope,
I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the blood off to get
the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next week.
Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few
weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be
losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic,
but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win.

Here are my questions:
1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently
(they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens).  Are
they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe?  We
have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate
water and food bowls.  There is not grooming among them.
2.  Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and
become free of it?  If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he have
symptoms now?  If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way he
would have gotten it) then could he still be fine?
3.  He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box,
etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is
this just a false hope.
4.  If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI
treatment?  I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness
although there appear to be no major side effects.

Thanks.
Don and Oliver 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hartz

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

I am sorry you lost your kitty in this senseless way. I never buy anything
Hartz.

Diane R.

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 6:54 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hartz

On 10-05, Lee Evans wrote:

PLEASE, whatever you do, don't buy Hartz products.  They are a company
that doesn't care if animals die from their terrible flea and tick
products or are paralyzed for life.

Thanks for bringing this up, Lee. I learned the hard way and used Hartz flea
stuff for cats on one of my rescues, and he died in days from liver failure.
I am appalled that this company is allowed to sell their stuff.

Lorrie  

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Re: [Felvtalk] O T

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

I have health insurance through the state-run high risk pool . It's
relatively expensive and there is a lot it doesn't pay for -- I am currently
paying off $295 for a regular doctor's visit and labs because I have a
pre-existing condition so no visit is EVER just an annual checkup by their
definition (which would have been free). That's in addition to $326 a month
with a $5500 deductible, which is the low income premium. Its major
advantage is on the drug co-pay, and they get you a *little* off your doctor
bills. I have a temp job, 5 paid days off a year, no bennies. I would have
gone under long ago if my housemate weren't extraordinarily generous (and
received a decent inheritance a few years back). I have a friend who has a
number of health issues, including panic disorder, for which she was taking
a number of meds, with meds to counteract the side effects of those meds,
you know how that goes. She had a bad patch, lost her full-time job and
benefits, and was also using this shared-risk insurance. It was increasingly
difficult coming up with the monthly premiums. Several years ago she married
and moved to England, and gets every prescription for under $10 (our money)
and now is making inroads into her panic with a psychologist. She is miles
better off there than she was here. 

Y'all may not all be fans of Michael Moore, but his film Sicko was an
eye-opener. He goes around Europe and finds out that the drugs are cheap,
the doctors aren't greedy, paid sick days and vacations are plentiful and
*mandated* -- much more compassionate than here, where those of us without
paid sick days either get into financial trouble or suck it up and work
sick. He also took a bunch of sick people, many of them first-responders on
9/11, by boat to Gitmo, since the medical care there is supposed to be
great, to demand equal treatment for US citizens as prisoners of war get.
They couldn't land on Gitmo and diverted to Cuba, where each and every
person was evaluated and prescribed meds which were actually better than
they were getting in the States, and those meds cost a fraction of the
price. One woman was going bankrupt at home to pay for her inhaler for her
9/11 lung damage, I think in the states she was charged something like $120,
and in Cuba that inhaler cost something like $5. The thing about health care
is that if the costs can be brought under control, a LOT of our country's
economic and social problems get solved, and the federal government is the
only entity with enough power to do that. The individual states aren't up to
it. 

Diane R.

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Natalie
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T

My mother-in-law is in Sweden, at 94 1/2, she lives alone, gets someone
coming in 6 times a day, bring her 3 meals, help her up, get to bed, etc.
clean her place.  It costs $200/month.  Yes, they paid into it all their
lives, but she'll never go bankrupt or be subjected to a horrible place when
time comes to move to a nursing home.  Father-in-law had a sunny private
room, great care for $10/day!

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 6:28 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T

On 10-04, GRAS wrote:
Obama ideally wanted single-payer.

 Yes, and it is shameful that America, supposedly the greatest county in the
world, lets it's people go without medical help.
Every other first world country has single payer.

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Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

OK, so it appears the main thrust of this forwarded post isObama is not a 
US citizen. Really Still IMNSHO, there are people who would do ANYTHING 
to de-legitimize the fact that there is a black man in the White House. 
Ridiculous. The one true fact about the internet is that anybody can find 
validation for ANY wackadoo opinion. I bet you could find a scientific study 
affirming that cats are descended from dogs and that birds are the result of 
magic. 

There is a refutation of this forwarded stuff (which has been around since 
2008, BTW) on About.com: 
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/internet/a/snopes_exposed.htm
I'm sure you could find a refutation and charges of bias about About.com if you 
wanted to. The bottom line is, vote who you want to, but make *yourself* aware 
of the character of your candidate. Watch the person over a period of time; 
does he contradict himself from one week to the next? Does he promise more than 
he can deliver? Does he give details about his plans? Does he keep the promises 
he has made in the past? By these criteria, there's nobody in politics who 
truly stands up 100% to scrutiny. But unlike in horseshoes, in politics close 
does count. Have these people made an effort to act on the things they say they 
believe in? And are those beliefs based on the good of every single person in 
the United States, not just a select group?  These are things each person has 
to decide for him- or herself.

2 more cents,

Diane R.
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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda 
Wilson
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 10:19 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES

Hi ~  just my opinion,

I had always wondered, Why should we believe Snopes.com?  Who is checking on 
them to make sure they are telling the truth and have facts.  I went on their 
site along time ago and there was nothing that convinced me they would know 
anymore than anyone else that knows how to work, or manipulate computers.

The bottom line is if anyone ever REALLY wants to know the truth about anything 
said, or on-line, you have to research/investigate it yourself.  IF I care 
enough, that is what I do.  I learned that lesson the hard way many years ago..

IF anyone cares enough to go outside of Snopes.com to research the information 
below to see if it is true ~ your choice.  Why would this person 
not be telling the truth anymore than Snopes.com?   My point is why should 
anyone believe Snopes.com.  Who are they  really.and. the truth has to 
be searched for, not provided by a ghost on line.

Just my two cents~

**Read below** (I did not write this, but it sure has me wondering)





SNOPES NO MORE - A MUST READ



I HOPE THIS OPENS EYES AND MINDS.


I HAVE FORWARDED SOMETHING AND SOMEONE WOULD WRITE ME BACK AND SAY SNOPES SAID 
IT WAS FALSE.

Many of the emails that I have sent or forwarded that had any 
anti-Obama in it were negated by Snopes.
I thought that was odd. Check this out.

Snopes, Soros and the Supreme Court’s Kagan.

We-l-l-l-l now, I guess the time has come to check out Snopes!

Ya' don't suppose it might not be a good time to take a second look at 
some of the stuff that got kicked in the ditch by Snopes, do ya'?

We've known that it was owned by a lefty couple, but hadn't known it to 
be financed by Soros!

Snopes is heavily financed by George Soros; a big time supporter of 
Obama!

In our Search for the Truth department, we find what I have suspected 
on many occasions.

I went to Snopes to check something about the dockets of the new 
Supreme Court Justice, Elena Kagan who Obama appointed and Snopes said the 
email was false and there were no such dockets so I Googled the Supreme Court, 
typed in Obama-Kagan, and guess what?

Yep, you got it; Snopes Lied!

Everyone of those dockets are there.

So Here is what I wrote to Snopes:

Referencing the article about Elena Kagan and Barack Obama dockets:

   The information you have posted stating that there were no such cases as 
claimed and the examples you gave are blatantly false.

   I went directly to the Supreme Courts website, typed in Obama Kagan and 
immediately came up with all of the dockets that the article made reference to.

I have long suspected that you really slant things but this was really 
shocking.

Thank You! I hope you will be much more truthful in the future, but I 
doubt it.

That being said, I’ll bet you didn't know this:

Kagan was representing Obama in all the petitions to prove his 
citizenship.

Now she may help rule on them.

Folks, this is really ugly. Chicago Politics; and the beat goes on and on and 
on.
Once again the US Senate sold us out!

Now we know why Obama nominated Elena Kagan for the Supreme Court.

Pull up the Supreme Courts website, go to the docket and search

Re: [Felvtalk] President

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

We probably should not. But it is in fact true, although it got taken off
the table fairly early when the Dems realized it would never fly in that
political atmosphere. So what we have is a slight improvement on the
Republican health care plan.

 

Diane R.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Terri Brown
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 7:23 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President

 

This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list.

- Original Message - 

From: Lorrie mailto:felineres...@frontier.com  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59 AM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President

 

It is true.  

On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote:
I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but it's not true.
 
Terri
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Thanks, Lee, I was about to say that I have never seen anyone not get
responded to on this list in their time of need and emotional turmoil. Going
offtopic is almost inevitable when you're on a specialized list like this. I
think the OT discussion has been amazingly civil and respectful. As it
happens, I will be voting Democrat because I feel they are in touch with,
and care about, the people that the Republicans have referred to as the 47%
they're not interested in reaching. My reasons have to do with the way the
most vulnerable among us would be treated under each party. I feel people
like most of us, who are sort of getting by or not quite getting by or
getting by only because we get a pension or disability or whatever, need
people in government who are interested in reaching us.

 

Diane R.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Evans
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:54 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

In the middle of our chit-chat about politics and hunters and vegetarian
diets, if someone had come in with the subject line: Cat Bitten by Cobra, we
would have been off the chatty stuff in an instant and onto Google to look
up what could be done for the cat while the caregiver was taking him to the
vet emergency clinic.  So if we wander around the hospital isles
occasionally when everyone is asleep and babble a bit, don't worry.  We can
switch in a moment.  I actually did switch when I saw how agonized you were
and posted about vets treating FeLv cats differently from non-FeLv cats to
get us back on topic. But occasionally on every specialized list I have been
on there is a subject with OT listed and then it's either a funny article
copied from a magazine or other online source or some cute pictures of cats
doing silly things, or even a heated political discussion about who will be
President and how it would effect our ability to financially keep our heads
above water and still feed our rescues and take our cats to the vet when
needed.  It really does tie into the FeLv+ cat group because we are very
money intensive in trying to keep our rescued special needs cats as healthy
as can be for as long as can be.  If I lose my Social Security and Medicare
benefits or they are reduced, I would have to cut down on food for myself
and air conditioning in the summer and heat in the winter to pay my mortgage
on this house that I bought to keep my cats safe from being seized by Animal
Control in a city where there are cat limits.  Even though I still work and
have an online job, I would be in dire straits.  So it is very important to
my cats who I vote for.  And since I live in a rural area, hunting becomes a
problem for me also.  If the NRA controls the government, then my 3 outside
cats and my peacock are in danger.  I actually hear gunshots sometimes in
the daytime on weekends and it makes me tremble.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!

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Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

It is sad. But you seem to have all the right conditions to do your best for
them. Best of luck.

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:39 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

I rescued a litter of four kittens two months ago.  Had them tested
yesterday for FelV and all 4 are positive!  I am heartsick.  However, I have
a FelV section in my cageless shelter building where they will be able to
stay until they are tested again in 90 days.  They appear so healthy and
playful right now, and I can't bear to put them to sleep.  Still I know some
of them may not make it SO SAD.

Lorrie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Check out An orphan baby raccoon. [VIDEO]

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Definitely a Kids, don't try this at home scenario - but it seems to work
for this little guy. Adorable.

 

Diane R.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 2:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Check out An orphan baby raccoon. [VIDEO]

 

Everyone, speaking of raccoons..adorable video!



Check out an orphan baby raccoon. [VIDEO]

 

An orphan baby raccoon. [VIDEO] http://www.wimp.com/orphanraccoon/  

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] please add Sylvia to the CLS

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Anna, I am so sorry you lost your beautiful Sylvia. She sounds like she was
very special, and special to you.

 

You absolutely did the right thing in helping her along. As much as you want
them to stay, watching them suffer is horrible for both of you. When my dear
Luc reached the end (he was not FeLV+, but had thyroid and kidney issues) he
was not eating and I was trying to bring him back by assist feeding him -
euphemism aside, at this point it was force-feeding. He started making a
horrible grinding sound with his teeth, and I stopped feeding because I
didn't want him to hurt himself. I took him to the vet, and she said she had
heard cats do that when they were in pain, and after that I couldn't let him
go fast enough. It was one thing for him to be annoyed at me trying to feed
him, but actual pain was a totally different matter. (The vet also said she
felt a mass, which just sealed the deal.) A big chunk of my memories were in
that little guy (almost 17 years worth) so I really felt like part of me had
gone away. 

 

I know you will feel sad for a long time, but it will ease and you'll be
able to remember Sylvia with smiles instead of tears, -- sometimes, at
least. I don't want to go all mystical on you, but one thing you may want to
do is just talk to Sylvia, and tell her she is welcome to come and visit you
any time. I have known some people, myself included, who have felt the
presence of a departed kitty. For me, it was the feeling of a cat walking on
my bed when there was no living cat there. And, maybe after a while, you can
adopt another kitty in Sylvia's honor.

 

Diane R.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Anna Waltman
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] please add Sylvia to the CLS

 

Dear all,
I lost my sweet Sylvia cat this afternoon. Despite our best efforts with
daily subcutaneous fluids, appetite stimulants, Interferon, probiotics,
vitamins, steroids, and multiple antibiotics, she was still fading fast and
appeared to be in a significant amount of pain yesterday. So, with a heavy
heart, I took her to the vet one last time this afternoon for a consult. The
vet looked over her chart thoroughly, took a close look at her gums and
listened to her breath, and said that at this point we'd done all we could
do; the anemia was causing her to crash. We agreed, sadly, that it was time
to let her go. This was definitely the hardest choice I've ever made; I'm
only 25 and Sylvia was my first cat as an adult. We bonded immediately and
it has been awful watching her decline over the last month. I'd never been
present when an animal has been euthanized before, and I was extremely
reluctant to see her go this way. I'd hoped she might pass quietly at home,
but she just seemed so uncomfortable that letting her linger struck me as
cruel and selfish. I think I made the right choice. She went peacefully,
wrapped in a clean blanket in my arms, with no pain. While we waited for the
vet, she sat in my lap and purred just like she did as a kitten at her first
vet visit. It broke my heart to let her go, even though I know it was the
kindest thing I could do.

Sylvia was the best cat I've ever had: smart, sweet, devoted, impeccably
well-mannered, pleasantly chatty, cuddly. Up until last month, she was fat,
sassy, and apart from gingivitis, quite healthy, so I am confident she had a
good life. I will miss her terribly. I already do. I'm glad I have my lively
little clownish siamese mix, Beatrice (who, as far as I know, is FeLV
negative and healthy as a horse) to keep me company. It'll just be the two
of us for a little while, so we have time to mourn the loss of a truly great
friend, old soul, and gentle spirit.

I am so, so sad...but also thankful for four years with a wonderful cat.
Some animals make you a better person. I think Sylvia has done that for me,
and I will always remember her.

Thanks to all of you who have given me advice and support over the last few
years. I'm grateful to have had a group of more experienced cat owners to
turn to with questions and concerns; you all have been a great source of
comfort and information. Best of luck to you and yours in fighting this
awful disease.
Sadly,
Anna (and Beatrice)


-- 
Anna Elisabeth Waltman
PhD Candidate // Contemporary American Poetics
Department of English and American Literature
University of Massachusetts, Amherst

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Re: [Felvtalk] Mama died in my arms last night

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

I'm sorry to hear this, Czadna, but I'm sure Mama was exactly where she
wanted to be at the end. May your beautiful Mama have a joyous reunion with
BreAnne, TorieRose and Isaac at the Bridge. Hugs to you.

 

Diane R.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 4:22 PM
To: feline leukemia list
Subject: [Felvtalk] Mama died in my arms last night

 

Her eyes were clear and wonderfully green and her fur luxurious; her teeth
were good.  Mama was highly anemic. She crashed in about a 10-day period.
Mama wasn't Isaac's mama.  He left in Feburary 2011.  Some of you will
remember his story.  Mama was his acting mama.  Now he and Mama and BreAnne
and TorieRose are together.  Thank you for being with us.
 
purrs  rubs
 
cz

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Re: [Felvtalk] What_could_it_be?

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Here is a beautiful little film about a cat with CH.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJQG6V1MOVY

 

Diane R.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What_could_it_be?

 

I've never heard of CH, thanks for the info. Diabetes is not good even though 
it's treatable. I do hope that you get more blood work done even though you 
stated the bloodwork was okay a couple of months ago. Have you noticed an 
increase in fluids or urination? Keep us posted, I will be thinking of you. You 
have helped me in so many ways in the past. 

 

What meds did your vet give for the uveitis?

 

Good luck, Maureen!

 

Lynda

- Original Message - 

From: ter...@tazzys.org 

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:43 AM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What_could_it_be?

 

Maureen,

She could be a CH Kitty...Cerebellar Hypoplasia this can happen in both cats 
and dogs at a young age. Some are born with it. It is a Brain Neuro issue. It 
can affect any kitty whether they are FELV or not.

I have 2 kitties that have this as they are Siamese. One is about 6-7 months 
old and the other is a senior. 

You can also go to facebook and look this up under this. (Cerebellar Hypoplasia 
Kitties) I'm on the group as well. It will give you more details. There is help 
and a great deal of knowledge.

You can google this as well.

My suggestion is to take the kitty to the Vet for blood-work. If the blood-work 
comes back clean ask your Vet about this. A good Vet will make it more 
understanding for you.

Some animal shelters will euthanized both kittens/cats/puppies/dogs that have 
this. They don't want to deal with a special needs animal. 

My kitties came from out of state shelters.

These animals can live very full lives. They just aren't normal they can eat, 
play, sleep, and use the potty like others but slower with handicaps.

 

TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
Sultan, WA. 98294
Terrie Mohr-Forker
http://tazzys.org/
Non-Profit national rescue

Dedicated to the welfare of animals.

 


Copyright © 1999-2012 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.

 

 

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Subject: [Felvtalk] What_could_it_be?
From: molvey...@hotmail.com molvey...@hotmail.com
Date: Sat, April 28, 2012 4:51 am
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

I have a FeLV kitten that I'm fostering.  She's six or seven months old.  She's 
the one I emailed about a couple months ago with uveitis.  The uveitis never 
has completely cleared up.  But now I'm not sure what's going on.  Her back 
legs are kind of wobbly.  It's not bad enough that my husband has noticed yet, 
but I can see it.  It's like she's slightly drunk.  She's walking okay with the 
front legs but her back legs give way a little or something when she's walking. 
 She's eating and going to the bathroom.  She doesn't run around and play as 
much as the other cats do, but never really has.  She's just a real mellow and 
loving kitten and I just thought that must be why she's not as playful.  I'm 
not sure though.  She's not growing a lot too.  The other kitten her age, not 
related, has grown much faster than she has.

So any ideas?  Why do you guys think she's started getting wobbly in the back 
legs.  She can still jump on things but not as sure-footed as the others.  I 
don't know if her muscles are getting weak or if she's anemic or what.  A 
couple months ago her bloodwork at the vet's office was okay.  I assume this is 
FeLV related but before I go to the vet I'd like to be prepared and have some 
ideas of what's going on.

Maureen


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Re: [Felvtalk] Bounces

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

I got this too. I went to the website NOT by clicking the link, just in
case, and found the page that did indeed say I had bounces. No idea why, I
post minimally. I just disabled the disabling. 

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:37 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bounces

On 03-11, Sally Davis wrote:
Did  anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are
bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link .
James I am still here.
Sally Davis

YES,  I did and it was most upsetting I never have bounced mail, as I keep
my posts short and I trim former messages. I wrote back right to the owner
right away, and still don't know if I'm being dumped!

Did anyone else get this ???

Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

This is really lovely. 

I haven't spoken up much on an individual basis, but I extend my heartfelt
sympathies to everybody who's hurting from the loss of a pet today. Gentle
Bridge vibes to all those beloved kitties.

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:07 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger
Importance: High

Maybe this will help:

 From a cat
When humans die, they make a will
To leave their homes, and all they
Have to those they love.
I too would make a will, if I could write.
To some poor, wistful, lonely stray
I'd leave my happy home,
My dish, my cozy bed, my cushioned chair, my toy, The well-loved lap, The
gently stroking hand, The loving voice, The place I made in someone's heart,
The love, that at the last Could help me to a peaceful, painless end Held in
loving arms.
If I should die,
Oh! Do not say:
No more a pet I'll have
To grieve me by its loss.
Seek out some lonely, unloved cat
And give my place to him.
This is my legacy,
The love I leave behind,
'Tis all I have to give.
-- Margaret Trowton --  

On Mar 10, 2012, at 11:23 PM, Melinda Kerr wrote:

 Well said!  I was trying to think of how to say the same thing.
 On Mar 11, 2012, at 2:16 PM, GRAS wrote:

 I am so sorry about Ginger; every time I hear of a cat dying, it 
 hurts, whether it's someone else's or my own...and it happens so 
 often on this list!
 No, getting another cat is not betrayal; I see it as a wonderful 
 tribute to the cat that died!  There are so many out there that are 
 in desperate need of a home, and if you can prevent a death in honor 
 of your cat that just passed, even better! Natalie



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Re: [Felvtalk] My Siggie

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

I'm so sorry, Terri. What a lovely boy.

 

Diane R.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 10:24 AM
To: RQP; felvtalk; Persian_Rescue; FLUTD listserv
Subject: [Felvtalk] My Siggie

 


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Hello everyone,

 

Some of you have known me for a while -- others not.

 

Just writing to let you all know my healthy, non-FeLV cat Siggie has left me
for the Rainbow Bridge.  He was the last of my original group who did NOT
have FeLV.  He was my FeLV+ Salome's companion up until she passed in 2005
(right after I adopted Travis from Res-Q-Pets).

 

He was fine all day yesterday.  Then suddenly, he couldn't walk or breathe.
He was wheezing terribly, and was dragging his hind quarters behind him,
soiling himself.  I rushed him to the local vet, who told me that he had
fluid all in and around his lungs, was at end stage cardiac failure and had
threw a clot, which is what paralyzed him.

 

The kindest thing I could do for him was to let them put him down -- but he
ended up not needing the help.  They gave him a sedative, and before they
injected the final shot of the pink stuff, he was gone.

 

Rest in peace and sleep well, my big orange boy.  Meowmy and Daddy will miss
you forever.

 

 


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] 12 yr old Janus cat

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Oh, bless his little heart! Happy birthday, Frank and Louie, and many more!
And to his human, brava!

 

Diane R.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 11:19 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] 12 yr old Janus cat

 

http://www.care2.com/greenliving/two-faced-cat-celebrates-12th-birthday.html


There's also a video

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Horton Please add to the CLS :*(

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Horton was one lucky guy! What was he thinking, escaping from you guys? I'm
glad you found him again, that must have been so freaky, and I'm so glad he
had that last year of love and care. Gentlest of Bridge vibes to your
adventurous guy and hugs to all at Sids.

 

Diane R.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 1:34 PM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Horton Please add to the CLS :*(

 


Yesterday Dr. Jen had to let our sweet big gray guy Horton go. He became a
Sids kid about 4 years ago and had escaped when somehow or someone ripped a
screen out of a window. We searched the neighborhood day and night for
several cats that got out,3 of them were never found and when last year it
happened again we actually found Horton after 3 years of being missing !!!
So we did have a chance to love him for a year. Now we take more caution on
the downstairs windows...we lock and close them at night. Horton you will be
missed.

Sherry

We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary

than our own,

Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.

Unable to accept its awful gaps.

We still would have it no other way

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

My boss has 16 acres in a rural area. He's got a deer feeder there, and also
has a place WAY up north, where baby bears sometimes come to raid the animal
feeders he's got there. But he's also got like 97,000 guns of all types, and
goes out gopher-hunting on his LawnBoy. I have to really zen out when he's
talking about things he's killed. BTW, he is our county's Medical Examiner
and has seen more human devastation and death than anybody ever should have
to. I just get to see pictures of it. You would think he'd want to get as
far from death as possible in his off-time, but no.

 

Diane R.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 7:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

 

Hysterical!  L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt and
actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At least
they are eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so beautiful a
creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have the heart to kill
them?  They are graceful and grace our woods and lands.  To see one in your
yard is a special and breathtaking sight.   I don't see how anyone could do
it.  

 

  _  

From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers.
No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them
in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they
think of as sport!  I love it when I read in the paper about hunting
accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the
deer!!

Lorrie


 On 09-12, Natalie wrote: 

 What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to
 themselves, and are referred to as the only real
 conservationists...what a joke!
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hemy has a home

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

This is great news, Bonnie! Hugs and lots of luck to you and Hemy! And I'm
sure your aunt is beaming!

 

Diane R.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 12:32 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Hemy has a home

 

Just an update on that little feral cat I took from my dear aunt's house..

After going to Forgotten Felines for spay (already spayed), partial tail
amputation and general health check, Hemy lived in a pen on my deck for
nearly a month. I would get my upper body in the pen and we would have a
'love fest' of petting, purring, head-butting and cuddling.  Clearly: not a
feral cat.  So I left the pen door open yesterday.  She sniffed all around
the yard, circled several times, returned to the pen to eat and sleep in her
favorite bed.  I called FF about finding her a home, but I think this is her
home, and I'm her person.  I love this little cat.  I suspect she has some
health issues, but I'm delighted to give her a home and in return have her
friendship.

By the way, my dear aunt passed away on Aug. 24.  I visited her the evening
before and she said then the same thing she said every time I saw her:  I'm
so GLAD you have the cats.  Then she'd ask about them and I'd tell her how
each one was doing and how wonderful they are.  It was obviously important
to her that her animals were being cared for, and I think the fact that it
was me ('in the family' and a known cat lover) helped.   I'm happy that my
taking her cats made her happy and gave her a little peace in her time of
transition.

~Bonnie 

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Re: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy!

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

I agree. Bonnie, you should stop thinking like a human (being caged is 
terrible) and start thinking like a cat (I feel safe and cozy in this enclosed 
place that is small enough for me to control). She doesn't mind the cage, 
really! Let her stay there and finish acclimating, or take the next step in the 
other direction and bring her inside. ;-)

Diane R.  

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 2:40 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy!

It's too early to let her go - she needs to get to now you better...yes, she 
would definitely try to go back and could get lost forever and something could 
happen to her!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 2:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy!

I continue to be amazed by her progress.  I can't stand the idea of her in that 
cage for two or three more weeks.  I'm torn between buying a bigger cage (hard 
to afford right now) and releasing her sooner, say in 3 or 4 more days.  I 
think she might stick around.  My biggest fear is that she might try to return 
to my aunt's house, about 5 blocks away.
Im torn.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 11:16 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy!

I have always said that animals are more honest with us than we are with them.
I am just happy that Hemi found an honest, loving person.  I have had 3 ferals. 
 It took me an average of 6 - 8 months to gain complete trust, but oce tey 
passed that threshold, there was no turning back.  They became the biggest 
lovers, greatest lap sitters and demanded to be on the bed at night.  Shows 
what a little love can do.  


 Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 You are right. She is not feral, she just hasn't been loved. I have 
 one inside my house right now who is over 10 years old, never been 
 touched by a human, outside all his life,  felt behind when his 
 caretaker  was put in a nursing home. I could not touch him for 
 awhile. Now I can pick him up  he just purrs!~

Beth

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 



From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:24 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy!


Today when I fed Hemy (she’s in a cage on my back covered deck) she ate while I 
was there.  I spoke to her and reached a finger through the cage to touch her 
head.  No problem.  Then, when I came back to clean her litter box, I took a 
chance and placed my hand on the floor of the cage and remained still.  She 
moved closer, then nudged my hand.  I stroked her cheek and she moved her head 
around in obvious pleasure.  I petted her a few moments and she purred. This is 
a “feral” cat who has, after tail amputation and being moved from her familiar 
surroundings, been in a cage on my back deck for only Five Days!
I’d say she is more afraid and cautious than feral, wouldn’t you?
I’m keeping her in the cage for now, and will go slowly so she doesn’t feel 
pressured.  But what a little sweetheart.  It pains me to think of how horribly 
humans have been to her, yet she is willing to forgive and perhaps trust again. 
 Bless her!
~Bonnie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Sounds like a good start! Are you doing the eye contact stuff -- not
staring, doing the slow blink etc.? The future enclosure sounds like a
great idea.

Diane R.

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

Thanks, Gloria.
I guess regular vets don't clip the ear because people would freak out
about how their cat looks.  Forgotten Felines, our local TNR organization
(filled with Angels, by the way) did clip her ear.
She's now on my porch (we're having a cool summer, oddly enough) and seems
okay.  I am beginning to really like her.  Tonight I sat out in the
beautiful, nearly full moon evening, drinking a beer and singing to her (I
make up a song for all my cats -- this one was about how Hemy had a hard
life but came through alright anyway and now things are better).  I'll feel
better is she won't shun me -- right now she turns her back on me or
hisses, letting me know just how mad she is about this whole thing.  Poor
darling!  Tonight I tried to buy her love with canned food.  We'll see how
that goes!
~B.

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a couple
of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home is, and
hopefully stay around.  Course this depends on your having the right
weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection, etc.

You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who will do
the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she learns where
home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty was altered,
unfortunately.

Good luck with your kitty -

Gloria



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Re: [Felvtalk] Rafferty Please add to the CLS :(

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

I'm so sorry, Sherry. I know Rafferty is plundering all the milk sources at
the Bridge and bragging on how much he was loved. Hugs.

 

Diane R.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:08 PM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rafferty Please add to the CLS :(

 


My heart is heavy and hurting tonight,I had to let my beautiful Rafferty go
to the bridge. Raff was my 1st Sids kid that I brought into my heart and
home almost 5 years and 8 months ago. I brought him home just a few seconds
from midnight NYE 2006. He chose me when I was talking to another cat I
heard this pllluuurrp behind me,I turned around and saw this crazy Dr
Seussish looking cat and asked him if he was talking to me...his response 
puurrrpI was hooked he was mine or I was his  :) 

He was also a milkaholic...he would stalk you in the kitchen if you got the
milk out and did not give him someone of my fav pics of him is the one
with droplets of milk on his beautiful black and white faceI love you
Raff and I am so happy I brought you home and cherish EVERY moment I had
with you,no regrets my baby boy no regrets.

Sherry

We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary

than our own,

Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.

Unable to accept its awful gaps.

We still would have it no other way

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Bonnie, I would suggest going to the feral_cats Yahoogroup and reading the
Files. You have to look a little, but there is good advice for dealing with
all kinds of situations. You can join the group and just ask, of course, but
they will respect you more if you look in the Files first.

 

I'm not completely sure of this, but I think that list advises AGAINST
holding a cat you're going to TNR inside for that long unless it is ill and
under treatment. The idea being that it will lose its sense of being an
outside cat. They DO advocate, when relocating, holding the cat outside in a
large cage for a few weeks to get them used to the yard and the idea that
this is where food is. 

 

Hope this helps.

 

Diane R.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
Importance: High

 

Folks

I'm sorry to be monopolizing all this air space on the list this morning,
but am trying to figure this out with this cat.

 

So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has been
suggested, then how do I introduce her to 'living outside' again?

I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt's cat, Princess.
I know this doesn't sound like much to some of you, but it's getting a bit
stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!)..

 

Again, I can't thank you enough for sharing your information and
experiences.  I deeply appreciate you all!

 

~Bonnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

This comes from total ignorance of how the vaccine is made, but could it
possibly have been that the manufacturer had not properly killed the virus
in this particular batch? Whatever happened, scary, but it's good that the
cats ultimately reverted.

Diane R.

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of TANYA NOE
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 6:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

Wow, that is really scary, I think I do remember you posting about this a
while ago. Did the manufacturer ever give any info after the vaccines were
sent back? Any explanation as to why the tests would be affected when the
veterinary world is told they won't?

Tanya

--- On Thu, 8/4/11, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 7:33 PM it happened at our shelter. we 
 vaccinated s wjole bunch of cats  they got  sick.
 we retested them  they all came up positive. repeate the tests a few 
 days later  all the tests were back to negative. I posted about it 
 when it happened. we returned the rest of the vaccines to the mfg.
 
 TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
 I am a licensed vet tech (though for the last year a
 stay at home Mom) and I have never heard of a live FeLV vaccine. Nor 
 have I ever heard of it making a cat show positive on a test. FIV and 
 FIP are the only ones I have ever heard of causing a false positive on 
 a test. I will check with a few of my vet friends and see if they can 
 give any more info.
 Tanya
 
 --- On Thu, 8/4/11, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
 wrote:
 
  From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 4:45 PM Is this live vaccine new? 
  I've never heard that a vaccination for FeLV will make
 a positive
  result, but I'm getting a killed virus vaccination
 for my
  cats. I'll let you know what my vet says. Never
 hurts to get
  a second opinion :)
  
  Thanks!
  
  - Original Message - From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 2:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
  
  
  From what I've read they WILL test positive for
 FeLV after
  vaccination with a live vaccine. This happened at
 our
  shelter. I don't know how many days that lasts,
 but she
  would not have a false positive at this point.
  
  
  Beth
  
  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
  
  
  
  
  From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
  To: Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com
  Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 1:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
  
  Thanks everyone! My vet told me that Peaches would
 test
  positive because
  she's had the FeLV vaccination.
  I think I will call the vet that Peaches former
 owners took
  her to  ask
  them to test Peaches.
  Thanks for the advice, I'll let you know what they
 say.
  
  On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Katy Doyle
athenapities...@gmail.comwrote:
  
   It's not uncommon in Kentucky for
 shelters/rescues to
  just vaccinate the
   cat instead of testing them.
   
   Lately, all I have done is fight to get them
 to test
  the animals.
   Apparently it costs too much - but I think
 the cost
  is worth saving other
   cats from getting exposed to FeLV.
   
   
   I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't
 cause
  the test to come out
   positive, so you should get a fairly
 accurate
  reading.
   
   Then go ahead and get everyone fully
 vaccinated
  against FeLV, just in case
   =^_^=
   
   
   
   
   
   
   On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com
  
   molvey...@hotmail.com
  wrote:
   
   I think I would definitely get Peaches
 tested. If
  all your cats are
   indoors only they really don't need to
 be
  vaccinated against FeLV. Only if
   there's a chance they could get it. But
 if you're
  not letting them out and
   you're not fostering other cats then
 there's no
  risk of exposure to the
   virus so no real need for a vaccination.
 If all
  your other cats have been
   tested and are negative also then Peaches
 wouldn't
  need the vaccination
   either. So as long as her combo test is
 negative,
  then you really don't
   need to worry about Nibbles. It's totally
 up to
  you though. Just my
   thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is
 positive
  definitely get Nibbles up to
   speed. And I think he does need to do the
 series
  of two shots over again if
   you decide to get him current like Lynda
 said.
   
   Thanks for giving Peaches a home. And
 kick that
  other lady in the butt
   for kicking Peaches out of the house just
 because
  she had a baby

Re: [Felvtalk] Zombo Please add to the CLS :(

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Sherry, Zombo sounds like such a special treasure. I'm crying with you for
his loss, and the loss of the way-too-many other SIDS kids who have left you
these last couple of weeks. Gentlest of Bridge vibes to every one of them,
and hugs to every one of you. 

Diane R.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 8:07 PM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Zombo Please add to the CLS :(

Seriously are we being tested by a higher being og how much loss we REALLY
can take???  Oh where do I start about are AWESOME Zombo? This crazy fun
lovin boy had been a charmer since day 1 with us...He would get on the
counter and if you walk up to him he would reach up and put a paw on each
shoulder and give lovin hugs..(crying now,pardon any mispellings) His hugs
were just the sweetest relief from a bad day at work. This disease is so
awful and heartbreaking...yet I know that in my heart this is what I am
supposed to be doing for these beautiful babiesI love you Zombo you
handsome orange and white baby boy
Sherry
PS One of my fav Sids girls Bonnet must have knew I needed some comforting
cause she was all over me with love before I left Sids tonight  :) I love
them ALL so much

We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT Gas driling

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

That's disgusting, and sad. The thing is that people always hear just what
they want to hear, and won't countenance any info that doesn't fit with
their world view. And (without trying to crawl up on the soapbox) some
politicians are way too eager to capitalize on people's fears, and it's in
their best interests to keep those people as uninformed and misinformed as
possible. 

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 5:41 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT Gas driling

People just see dollar signs and that is all. We've had several town
meetings and I remember a group of elderly people walking through the door
asking what do you want me to say when they were approached by reps from the
drilling company. They were handed a speech to read and a sticker to wear
that read yes for gas drilling. It was truly sickening!

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT Gas driling


 Re: Pollution, dangerous chemicals in our water, food etc.

 At one time we owned 45 acres of land, and they drilled one of
 those gas wells. The noise was horrific, and they used all kinds of
 extremely toxic chemicals when they did the fracking. The trucks that
 came carrying these chemicals had hazard warning all over them, and
 the fracking fluid ruined the water in everyone's springs and wells.
 We did not own our mineral rights, so we had to let them drill on our
 land, otherwise there's no way we would have let them do it. After
 the well was drilled our road was ruined from all the trucks and
 heavy equiptment, and the county refused to repair it as it was the
 fault of the gas drilling. It was a nightmare, and we had to move to
 get away from there.  Now, eleven years later, and 150 miles away,
 they are talking about drilling for gas here!  The people around us
 are all anxious to have gas wells on their land because they are stupid
 enough to think they'll get big bucks. We never got a cent in spite
 of all the promises they made us.  Don't ever let them drill on your
 property!

 Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Sunscreens increase skin cancer....

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

I'm right there with ya, Lynda. I believe in what they're now calling big
government, because I believe everybody deserves a safety net, but part of
the big should actually be good -- i.e. agencies that aren't in the
pockets of even bigger businesses who make us sick and destroy our lands and
animals, and then lie about it.

Diane R.


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:11 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sunscreens increase skin cancer

Sounds like the FDA is no different than the TCEQ (Texas Commission on
Environmental Quality) or the  RRC (Railroad Commission) on the
drilling/fracking issues we have in my home town.

We have dogs with rare forms of cancer caused by drilling. All were healthy
until drilling occurred close to their property. Coincidence? I think
not

We have a cluster of kids in my town with leukemia. My friend was diagnosed
with Multiple Myeloma, which generally effect elderly African-Amer men. She
is a Caucasian and less than 40 yrs. old. One of her doctor's asked her if
she ever lived by gas wells, guess what her answer was? Yup, you are
correct.

Sorry for the rant, I'm sick of these agencies/gov that don't protect us
like they should.

L

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Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:08 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Sunscreens increase skin cancer


 We were talking about the FDA last week - here's another perfect example
 of how one cannot even trust them on something as simple as sunscreen
 ingredients! And all this, WITH what we think are strict regulations - and
 those who want to do away with ALL regulations, making it easier for big
 corporations to make more money, makes one wonder whether they ever 
 consider
 even their own families in their quest for more and more profits?



 Whom can one trust, if the FDA, supposedly protecting us from bad things,
 has known all this? What else is it they keep under their hats?



 Study:  Many sunscreens increase skin cancer risk, FDA has known for a
 decade but done nothing




 A new report issued by the consumer protection organization Environmental
 Working Group (EWG) reveals that many popular sunscreens contain 
 ingredients
 known to spur the growth and spread of skin cancer cells, which defeats
 their stated purpose...

 http://www.naturalnews.com/032996_sunscreen_cancer_risk.html

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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Ben, I'm so sorry you and Dexter lost your fight. It happens all too often,
and not from lack of caring or trying -- or from not doing things
differently. Given Dex's condition as you describe it, I don't think the
outcome would have been wildly different if the variables you mention had
been different -- but possibly you would have had less worry about someone
being available to treat him in a timely manner.

My condolences to all of you.

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared
and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we
received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's
Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the
night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we
immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright has
been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see him on
three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex in
on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no
advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his
shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I don't
blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where
he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients
informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days
aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks ago,
when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took
him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by
the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas Animal
Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking
calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work with
and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment.
I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them
yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be
returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in for
his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set
in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable.  A week
passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate
treatments and off-label meds.  When you factor in that week and the week he
took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where
Dex had little treatment.  Again, why the difficulty in getting anything
done for Dex?  East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke
with him and started him on Acemannan injections.  They had two remaining
doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last
year when he was first diagnosed.  they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex
without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had
more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on
Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan.  FeLV and FIV are horrible diseases,
though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex while
we treated him.  We seemed to reverse the anemia, but his Lymph nodes were
swelling.  Some days they would go down, other days, they would blow up.
When the mystery feet and face swelling started last week, he even responded
well with benadryl.  That thing sneaking up on Dexter?  Full blown cancer -
it wasn't just in his lymph nodes, it was in his liver and spleen - it had
probably made his heart swell.  His breathing was becoming more and more
labored and we struggled with the decision of when Dexter was in too much
pain to continue.  Yesterday, Dr. Cantrell started chemotherapy on Dex, as
well as steroids.  He seemed to tolerate the meds well, but over the course
of the night, he became more jaundiced and vomited, while his body
temperature dropped to 94 degrees.  His little body had given out as this
terrible disease had taken almost everything from him.  I say almost
everything, because when we arrived at East Dallas Animal Clinic this
morning, even though he was being hand fed oxygen while under a warming pad,
little Dexter still had a playful wag of the tail when we placed our hands

Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad
mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's
systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their
babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.

Diane R.

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know
his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in
from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick
kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat.  One is a year out from the
extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well!   Both of
those guys were negative.  My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and
his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for
a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably
can't do that, though.

All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't
believe it.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Your cats had stomatitis?  And it helped having all teeth removed?
 The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours 
 is
 FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky!  It 
 FIV+does
 sound rather drastic, doesn't it?
 We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're 
 chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more 
 than canned food at times.
 Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

  Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 
 we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats 
 afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since.  They were not FELV 
 cats, though.

 On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

  Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+
 cats?
 
  I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE 
  MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get 
  that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly 
  appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, 
  with special emphasis on
 cleaning
  out the areas extremely well.  My vet says that he doesn't like 
  doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG.
 
  I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in 
  different forms.
 
 
 
  It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications:
 
  http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCIN
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Natalie, I have never had this experience either when one of my furbabies
has passed -- but I haven't picked them up or moved them around, perhaps
this is just a gravity issue. I work for the county Medical Examiner, and I
can attest that more often than not, there is some sort of fluid that
escapes when a person dies. Could be mucus, urine, whatever might seek its
own level when all the muscles relax. In Dexter's case, I'm guessing it was
fluid that was building up somewhere, but that doesn't necessarily mean it
was making him suffer. I'm sorry that was the last thing you saw happen with
him and it bothered you, but please don't let it make you feel guilty. It's
natural.

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

I know that when an animal or human being dies, this is supposed to happen -
but in all the years and all the euthanasia I had to have administered,
always holding the animals (cats and dogs), and then staying with them for
about 15 minutes (our vet allows everyone to be alone with them) - it has
NEVER happened, yet! I wonder if that's unusual? Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

It is natural for a body to release fluids and solids as the soul leaves it.
This is true with animals and with people.  It is not a sign of pain.  It is
a sign of muscle relaxation.  This is one reason a vet may wrap a body in
plastic.  I never, ever, never have or will leave a friend to leave this
world without me holding him/her and this happens.  It also happens in
natural deaths.  Don't ask about releases when a person commits suicide or
even is murdered.  It can be awful if a family member discovers the body.
This, again, is not a sign of pain.
On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Ben Williams wrote:

 Thanks so much, everyone.  It's been a really hard day for us and I'm
 haunted by seeing Dexter this morning struggling so hard to live.   
 You've
 all been so wonderful and your kind comments have really helped today 
 - if anything, we are realizing even more now just how much we love 
 that little boy.  He was so special to us.

  If I may, I have a question regarding Euthanasia for those of you who 
 have been through this before - for those of you who are squeamish, 
 please just skip this one:

 Dexter passed peacefully when Dr. Cantrell administered the euthanasia 
 this morning.  He let out a small sigh when the initial sedative was 
 injected and silently slipped away when the final injection was made.  
 A few minutes later, as we were still petting him, a fair amount of 
 yellow, clear liquid came out of his mouth and nose.  I assume this 
 was fluid that had started to
 collect in his lungs, perhaps part of the jaundice from his liver?   
 I don't
 know - I just can't stand the idea that he was in severe pain for a 
 while there and that, perhaps, we put him through it.  He had a chest 
 X- ray on
 sunday night and no fluid was visible.  Or, maybe it was missed.   
 Sorry for
 the awkward question.

 On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Lynda Wilson 
 longhornf...@verizon.net
 wrote:

 My heart is breaking after reading your story!  I'm truly sorry 
 Dexter is gone, but he will live within your heart now.

 You did so much for him and he fought the battle as much as he could.

 My thoughts are with you at this difficult time.

 Lynda
 - Original Message - From: Ben Williams 
 drsiebl...@gmail.com
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:46 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter


 I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your 
 kind
 words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have 
 shared and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to 
 us.
 Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us 
 both - we received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas 
 Animal Clinic's Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had 
 worsened over the course of the night.  After picking Dex up from 
 the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we immediately took him to 
 Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr.
 Wright has
 been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be 
 back yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter 
 to see him on three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell 
 Immunomodulator injections, but was only able to see him that 
 Monday.  When we took Dex in on Friday when the swelling of his feet 
 and face had begun, we were given no advice by his staff who were 
 unable to do anything other than give Dex his shot and usher us out 
 the door

Re: [Felvtalk] Ittle Bitty

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Here are vibes for your baby. I don't have any specifics but I do know that
depending on the cause, this kind of condition MAY be survivable and even
reversible. The thing is that there are quite a few things that can cause
this -- an inflammation, a stroke, a tumor pressing, etc. etc., and each has
its own survival/recovery rate. I've recently heard of a kitty regaining
much of her function after looking really dire at the vet's. So I guess
cautious optimism is the key here. Here's hoping! Hang in there, Bitty!

Diane R.

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sally Davis
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:37 AM
To: FeLV Talk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Ittle Bitty

The clinic called with an update. Not sure it is good news, but he made it
through the night. He is still not able to use his hind legs. He did not eat
this moring but they said there was some interest, Moslty he lays on his
left side and has a head tilt. Any one here with experience with this sort
of problem? I am wondering how he will be once he is home. If there is going
to be no improvement that would not be good. The Vet should be calling later
any feedback would be a great help.

And Melinda I hope VooDoo come back soon. I have been in your shoes before.

Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Aggie to the CLS

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Oh, I'm so sorry for your loss. Aggie is at the Bridge telling everykitty
how much she was loved.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Andy Domek
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 4:19 PM
To: FELV List
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Aggie to the CLS


Hi all,

I know I haven't posted in awhile, but I wanted to offer an update to those
of you who followed our story with our little bundle of spunk, Aggie.
We helped Aggie cross over this morning, and it was one of the hardest
things I've had to do.  It was also the right thing to do.  Her anemia
caused her to gasp for air since yesterday evening, and she was starting  to
involuntarily shake, could no longer walk, make it to the litter box, and
could barely raise her head to watch the lizards running around  our patio.
She was my little valiant fighter for 7 years, but ultimately FELV took her
from me.  We tried everything short of a transfusion, and it just wasn't
enough.
I firmly
believe that LTCI bought us about a year of good quality time.  Her
bloodwork was taking a VERY marked decline last June, and LTCI reversed it.

Unfortunately, FELV is a tough nut to crack and there was only so much we
could do.


It was very peaceful, she just went to sleep while we sang her song to her ,
and told her what a blessing she has been in our life.  If love could heal,
she'd have been the healthiest cat ever.  But  right now, she's not in any
pain, no more seizures, no more force 
feeding, no more shots, and only peace.



There is a void in my home, and my heart right now.  But I am so, so
thankful to have had her at all.  I didn't even like cats before I met her,
and now I'm a sucker for them!  


Thank you for your advice, your collective knowledge, and more importantly,
for the kindness you show to everyone who is dealing with this nasty
disease.



Peace to all of you, and good luck on your journeys with your beloved
fuzzbuckets.



Andy
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sabrina updatet

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Wow, this is truly golden! I love that the kids are really old enough to
understand what's going on with Sabrina and to be proactive in her care. And
I LOVE them wanting to name her after Eleanor Roosevelt. Sounds like this is
a great family!

Diane R. 

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Norman
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 3:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Sabrina updatet

Sabrina in one lucky girl.  We had originally hoped  prayed we could find
someone who would give her a temporary room for the period of time needed
for testing to determine whether she could beat this thing. We sent out SO
many emails  talked to SO many people.  Contacted all the networks we with.
But over the weekend, the golden goose flew over  laid the proverbial egg
on us. Not only does Sabrina get a room, she gets a home!

This is a young couple who live in Spring Green, WI, where Mew Haven  I am.
The woman is the daughter of one of my good friends  a nicer, more warm
family could never be asked for.  They had two Siamese cats that they lost
last year so Shelley asked a lot of questions about Sabrina  about the
disease.  I told her everything I knew which i s what I posted here
initially.  That Sabrina might not live long but on the other hand with good
care  a stress free environment, she might beat it  live a long healthy
life. Or she might just be a carrier  live many years.  I pointed out that
there are no guarantees with any pets  that there are FeLeuk kitties that
live longer than non-FeLeuk kitties.

Shelley's  Mark's girls are 13  16.  Both Shelley  Mark love cats  so do
the girls but it was the girls' decision because losing their Siamese last
year had been very hard on them.  I was absolutely fine with that  told
Shelley to tell the girls that it is possible that they might have to say
goodbye sooner than they want but on the other hand this is a chance for
both of them to play a huge role in the life of one little special needs
cat.  And as it turns out, it's what they want to do!  They are both very
excited.  And as Vicki, Shelley's mom told me, there could not possibly be a
kitty who will be loved more than Sabrina will be.

But listen to THIS!  The girls wanted to know if it would be  ok if they
changed her name to Eleanor.  For Eleanor Roosevelt who was such a 
strong woman!  Do these kids get it or not?!!  They do!I 
am so grateful.

Sabrina/Eleanor is being spayed this week  will have her IFA done. My
friend who works MH with me  I will drive up  get Eleanor a week from
today.

So far so beautifully good!

Pam
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Glad you got the bite taken care of. Not sure why the X-ray -- does she
think maybe the bite chipped a bone or something? I got bit by my first
feral -- my fault, tried to get too familiar too soon. I had gotten her from
a co-worker who trapped but could not keep her in her motor home, and she
had had an infection treated but hadn't gotten the rabies shots yet. Her son
had gotten bitten the night I came to get her and they chased her around the
room they were keeping her in, and nothing happened to him. Me, I got the
stripes up the arm and a course of antibiotics. The nurse practitioner I saw
told me I HAD to report the bite to the cops, and even said she would be
calling them ahead of time so that I was sure to follow up. So I followed
up, cop came, obviously had NO idea why it was a big deal. He came into our
porch room, where we had her, and looked at her from a distance, shrugged
and went home. Made me feel like an idiot because I had to *explain* that
the nurse practitioner had *made* me call. But it was good that I was
paranoid about the cat bite, since it was turning into something bad.

This was several years ago now. We spent several months (we both worked,
time more limited than we'd have liked) getting her used to us, but one day
she realized she really liked being petted and skritched, and that was that.
She still doesn't want to be picked up, and we honor that, but her favorite
thing to do is to come and snuggle our heads when we're relaxing on the
couches watching TV. 

Diane R.  

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 1:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite

I just got back form the doctor and got two different antibiotics, and a
tetnus shot. She wants to do an x-ray next week. Their x-ray machine was not
working this morning. The doctor warned me how dangerous a cat bite can
be. The area is red and swollen and still hurts. I explained how the bite
happened. The doc seemed satisfied with my story. I did leave out the FELV
part just in case...
ON A HAPPY NOTE: Just when I arrived at the doctors office I received a call
from the vet. Amber's IFA test was NEGATIVE!! What  a relief. Just goes to
prove that every cat should be restested. Also, he guesses Amber to be from
2 to 3 years old, not 6 mo. to 1 yr.. like the last one. He said that a
younger cat could not have as much tartar on their teeth as she does no
matter how poor their diet. Also. he shaved her belly and it looks like she
has a spay scar. I am going to get the smaller cage out and put it upstaris
and I will put Amber in it occassionally so they can all sniff each other
and hopefully soon get along. 
I am moving her into the spare bedroom as well. I do not plan to put her in
my lap again!!!
 Jannes 





From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 12:43:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite

Thanks, good to know!
- Original Message -
From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite


 Dont think it has to be deep. Cats have a specific bacteria in their mouth

 (begins w p)  n if it gets into humans, its very toxic. Been bitten a 
 number of times w nothing; but last time it was bad luck. Look for the 
 telltale line up ur arm. Means bacteria traveling 2 lymph nofes under ur 
 arm. Comes pretty quicklu

 Christiane Biagi
 Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G

 Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:

Wow! Reading all of these messages with bad experience with cat bites, I
consider myself VERY lucky. I've gotten bit a lot, but it sounds like it 
has
to be a deep puncture type bite. Is this correct? I'm glad that you have
shared your experiences. I bet most of us now won't mess around if we get
bit. I know I won't!

Jannes - what have you done so far? How are you feeling? Let us hear from
you soon :0)  I'm hoping you have a good outcome!

Lynda
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite



OMG - when I got bit a couple months ago I just ran inside and washed it 
out
really good with soap and water.  That was it.  Guess I was lucky.  I had
read that soap and water are good enough as long as you wash it good so 
now
when I get scratched I just use soap and water.  Anyway,  I never went to
the doc until three weeks later for something else.  That's when I talked 
to
him about it and he fussed at me.  Guess I'll be more careful next time.
Yikes!

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

I believe it also helps to make the wound bleed some before you start
treating it with Neosporin or whatever. I think the idea is to get at least
some of the bad bugs out of it that way. Then, of course, a thorough,
thorough washing and the antibiotic cream.

Diane R. 

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 3:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite

This is the first bite I have had that concerned me...most have been nips
with broken skin but nothing deep.  However, I wash them to death  
and keep a very close eye on them.  It is part of the feral world.   
However, anything on a thin skin area, hands, face, feet, gets special
attention.
On Jun 4, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Edna Taylor wrote:


 Lynda,

 Yes, it is usually a very deep bite to require medical treatment.   
 When Pootie bit me (don't know why, he was sleeping and it was about
 3 am) he bit clear through to the muscle of my forearm.  I couldn't 
 even move my hand all day :(

 Edna

 Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 12:05:43 -0500
 From: longhornf...@verizon.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite

 Wow! Reading all of these messages with bad experience with cat 
 bites, I consider myself VERY lucky. I've gotten bit a lot, but it 
 sounds like it has to be a deep puncture type bite. Is this correct? 
 I'm glad that you have shared your experiences. I bet most of us now 
 won't mess around if we get bit. I know I won't!

 Jannes - what have you done so far? How are you feeling? Let us hear 
 from you soon :0) I'm hoping you have a good outcome!

 Lynda
 - Original Message -
 From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 11:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite



 OMG - when I got bit a couple months ago I just ran inside and washed 
 it out really good with soap and water. That was it. Guess I was 
 lucky. I had read that soap and water are good enough as long as you 
 wash it good so now when I get scratched I just use soap and water. 
 Anyway, I never went to the doc until three weeks later for something 
 else. That's when I talked to him about it and he fussed at me. Guess 
 I'll be more careful next time.
 Yikes!

 I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results 
 that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it 
 inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward 
 it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without 
 looking further. - Mark Twain



 From: sea7...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 11:43:40 -0500
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite

 Wash the wound with antibiotic soap and keep antibiotic ointment on 
 it.
 Also treat with hot compresses. It will draw white blood cells to 
 the area. The Dr told me to do this.
 Autumn bit the fire out of me when I was 6 months pregnant. My hand 
 swelled up and was red and sore. I never developed streaks, but went 
 to Urgent Care for antibiotics. Make sure you eat your yogurt, if 
 you get them. They are STRONG. FELV + have filthy mouths:-/ I also 
 urge you not to tell them that it was your cat. Just emphasize that 
 said cat had it's rabies shot.
 ~Susan A

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 4, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

 Last night I had Amber in my lap upstairs. I am trying to get her 
 use to seeing the other cats and use to the upstairs life. I had 
 the IFA test performed by another vet and will hear from it next 
 week. I am being optimistic so I wanted to get a head start on 
 getting her acclamated. My youngest cat Moses decided to suddenly 
 jump in my lap with her and Amber freaked out! In the process of 
 holding on to her she bit me very hard on my hand. It hurt so bad 
 and still does. It is red and slightly swollen. My husband thinks I 
 am being paranoid about it, but I had a friend who almost lost his 
 arm due to infection from a cat bite. Should I visit the doctor??
 Jannes
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Re: [Felvtalk] Crockett Please add to the CLS :*(

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

So sorry, Sherry. Gentle journey, Crockett, knowing you were loved.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:41 PM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Crockett Please add to the CLS :*(

Sids lost yet another GREAT cat yesterday. Crockett was a big sweet tiger
that LOVED spankings !! I do believe his spankings helped his battle through
anemia a few months back,but the anemia won this time :( I love you my
Crockett Man Sherry


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Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way
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Re: [Felvtalk] Abbey

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

She sounds like a lovely, loving girl. I'm sure she's in a lot less pain
from the stomatitis now, and hopefully her mouth will feel better very
shortly. Best of luck to both of you.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Mary Lou
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 1:32 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Abbey

Have to wait until 16th. Rick is off on 9th.  He saw her on 2nd- ten days
after 14 teeth pulled.  I can only get her to eat watered down food such as
kitten food, baby food, a/d, some fancy feast.  She sits on my lap and eats
usually.  I got her to eat with a 500 mg lysine mixed in with food twice
now. Will add bovine inteferon also tonight.  She has a good appetite. Rick
said she gained a pound.  I have printed your suggestions and will give them
to him to read.  Thank you so much. Any thing else will be greated
appreciated.  I have only been her human companion a few weeks, but have
gotten very close with her.  She rubs noses and jowls now. She is so soft
and pretty. Thank you again.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Husband has passed away..... :(

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Terrie, I am so sorry for the loss of your husband, supporter and friend. I
am sure Taz and all the others he helped you to help who have gone on before
will give him a joyous welcome.
 
Hugs.
 
Diane R.

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ter...@tazzys.org
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:27 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Husband has passed away. :(


Thank you all for your kind words and love in this difficult time for me. 
It is hard on me since we have been together for many years. 
He had a genuine love for animals and supported me in everything I did in
rescue.
 
My husband passed away 4:30 in the morning on Thursday. He died peacefully
in his sleep. I know he is longer in pain and sick is healthy again. 
 
He will be greeted by others that have went to the Rainbow Bridge especially
by my Taz as he loved him too.
 

TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
Sultan, WA. 98294
Terrie Mohr-Forker
http://tazzys.org/
Non-Profit national rescue
Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
 

Copyright C 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.
 



 From: ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 8:09:59 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.

 Hi all,I'm taking some time off from rescue due to my husband's 
 illness. He
 has
 liver failure and is not a candidate for a transplant. He has been
 hospitalized 2 times this month and once last month he was placed 
 into a
 skill
 nursing facility since the 18th of February after the first trip to 
 the
 hospital.

 He is in the end final stage of his disease his liver has stopped 
 working.
 Can die at any given time. He is being given all the pain meds he 
 wants for
 comfort so he will most likely fall asleep an never wake up again.

 I want to make myself available at all times for him.
 He is only 64 years old... I know to some of you that may sound old 
 but it
 isn't
 really.
 Hospice has been part of this as well to help me cope with all of 
 this.
 Hospice
 is available to me 24 hours a day.

 Sincerely,
 Terrie

 TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
 Sultan, WA. 98294
 Terrie Mohr-Forker
 http://tazzys.org/
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 Dedicated to the welfare of animals.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Casanova aka Studs going over the rainbow bridge

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

So sorry, Beth. Gentle Bridge vibes to Studs.

Diane R. 

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 3:05 PM
To: FeLV Talk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Casanova aka Studs going over the rainbow bridge

Too emotionally exhausted to go into detail, but it is time. I've only had
this kitty since Monday  he has already stolen my heart. I'm thankful I got
to sleep in his room with him last night - he slept glued to me. He knows he
is loved.

Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Aww. This hurts my heart. But bless you for bringing her in and giving her a
caring passage and people to grieve her. Gentlest of Bridge vibes to little
Lola.

Diane R. 

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:06 AM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

Got a call at 5pm yesterday that someone had seen a kitty in the ATM drive
thru lane at a local bank. I ran up there  didn't see a thing at first. She
was a tiny brown tabby sitting so still in the leaves that I didn't even see
her. She blended right in. She was so cold  wet  could barely make a
sound. I put her in a carrier wrapped in a towel  met some other volunteers
who took her to the emergency vet.
She was so cold her temp didn't even register. She was FeLV positive  had
severe ulcers in her mouth. The vet estimated her to be about 2 years old
though she looked like she was only 3 months old. After some time trying to
raise her temp they determined the best thing was to euthanize her. Her
heart was barely pumping. 
I named her Lola so she would have a name before going over the Rainbow
Bridge.
It is so sad to think how long she may have been there  how many people saw
her  just kept going without a second thought. What a sad story. Even
sadder because I know she is just one of many who meet their end this way.
At least she had a name :(

Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Terrie, I am so sorry. I am sure Hospice will be a great help to you both.
Please take care and come back to us when you can.
 
Diane R.

  _  

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ter...@tazzys.org
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.




Hi all,
I'm taking some time off from rescue due to my husband's illness. He has
liver failure and is not a candidate for a transplant. He has been
hospitalized 2 times this month and once last month he was placed into a
skill nursing facility since the 18th of February after the first trip to
the hospital. 
He is in the end final stage of his disease his liver has stopped working. 
Can die at any given time. He is being given all the pain meds he wants for
comfort so he will most likely fall asleep an never wake up again. 
I want to make myself available at all times for him. 
He is only 64 years old... I know to some of you that may sound old but it
isn't really.
Hospice has been part of this as well to help me cope with all of this.
Hospice is available to me 24 hours a day.
 
Sincerely,
Terrie
  

 
TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
Sultan, WA. 98294
Terrie Mohr-Forker
http://tazzys.org/
Non-Profit national rescue
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

I will have to see if I can find that. Thankfully, we haven't had anykitty
else with the kind of behaviors Tribble displays, but I often wonder what
his little brain is really like. I personally think a necropsy of his head
would reveal noodles and Ninja stars. ;-) And, after describing this side of
his personality, I should say that when he chooses, he can be a love bug
himself. He does this thing where he climbs onto you and leans the full
front of his face into whatever part of you is available -- usually under a
boob or your stomach -- and just stays there. We call it quieting the
voices in his head and I sort of suspect we're not completely wrong. He
also shares the kitty trait of trying to fit into any box he sees, with
wackiness usually ensuing. And, surprisingly, when we added the two feral
kittens to our household a couple of years ago, he became a really good
father figure. I think it's partly because the other cats sort of keep their
distance, and the twins were fearless and willingly played with him. We
loves our weird old Tribble. ;-)

Diane R. 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 3:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

Dr. Nicholas Dodman wrote an awesome book about cat personalities and
problems, including aggression towards housemates and people. It's called
The Cat Who Cried For Help, and addresses situations like yours.


-Original Message-
From: Diane Rosenfeldt [mailto:drosenfe...@wi.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 6:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

My housemate and I were faced with such a decision 10 or 11 years ago, when
we moved from our separate apartments to our formerly-two-flat house, and
melded our cat families. She had two, an elderly lady named Kitty and a
pugnacious orange boy named Tribble. I had 3 -- my laid-back Luc, my
introverted fluffy tortie Phoebe, and my mom's black girly, Missy. Tribble
had always deferred to Kitty when they lived together, and continued to do
so, thank goodness. But as time went on and our cat population changed a
little, Tribble showed quite a bit of aggression, and we had to take
somebody or other to the vet to have bites treated at least twice. So we
were in a real bind, since we are both cats-are-family-for-life people, and
we did love Tribble with all his peculiarities. We knew nobody would adopt
him anyway. We are both anti-declaw and had the raggedy furniture to prove
it, but we decided that for the safety of the other cats we would have him
declawed, feeling maybe he would lose some aggressiveness, and also that he
might still be able to bite, but he wouldn't be able to dig in and hold on
while he did so. We found the one place in town at the time that did the
laser technique.

We were worried about all the things mentioned -- the pain, the litter
problems, the behavioral problems. But he really seemed not to mind, even
during the first days. He was fine with the litterbox, and didn't develop
any behavioral problems above and beyond the ones he had going in. He was
still aggressive, but wasn't able to inflict nearly the damage, which was
mission accomplished as far as we were concerned. The upside for him is that
to this day he still tries to sharpen those claws on furniture, wicker etc.,
and he's the only one that doesn't get shooed away. I know we got lucky
here, and that most cats suffer more, but if we had it to do again we'd
still make the same decision under the same circumstances. It was either
that or sentence Tribble to almost certain death.

Diane R. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Edna, I agree. Four of our five cats were outside at some time in their
lives, 3 of those were feral, and 2 of *those* were kittens I trapped
myself, and they have not been outside since the day we met. Just because
they stare out the window sometimes doesn't mean they're longing for the
feel of grass beneath their toes -- though of course if there was a safe way
to give them that, I would. What PETA and the rest don't seem to get is that
Felis Domesticus is NOT a wild animal and is no match for the modern
predators of cars, trains, coyotes, and feral humans like the one you
describe below. People don't willingly let their parakeets out or let their
Betas swim in mud puddles, why do they think house cats are anything but
house cats. And, in my experience, even cats born outside get very used to
the comforts of indoors.

Years ago a couple who were online friends of mine whose two cats were their
babies, came home to find that a neighbor in their very tranquil suburban
neighborhood had accidentally backed over one of their cats. They were, of
course, devastated, and it changed their opinion of where cats are best off.
That's a horrible way to learn but it's a fact that outside cats, even ones
with owners, face many more dangers than they are equipped to handle.

Another 2 cents. I don't mean to offend those of you who don't agree, but
seeing roadkill that's supposed to be curled up in a pouffy chair somewhere
instead offends me.

Diane R.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 10:40 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors


Just because your kid likes to eat McDonald's every day or binge drink or do
drugs because it makes them happy is NOT a reason to allow it.  The same
reasoning goes for cats, just because they LIKE it doesn't mean it's good
for them.  My cats may be prisoners in my house but I sleep well at night
knowing they are loved and safe and from what I can tell, they are pretty
freakin happy.  I have picked up enough broken and battered bodies off the
roadways to know that NONE of my cats or fosters will EVER be allowed
outside unless it is in a safe enclosure or on a leash.  

There was a young individual (can't call him a man because real men do not
torture animals) in Dallas that took his neighbor's inside/outside cat and
over a course of several hours beat and tortured the cat and video taped the
entire thing.  THAT is what happens to outdoor cats.  While some may be
lucky enough to escape being tortured, hit by cars, eaten by coyotes or
hawks or owls, most do not escape this fate.
 
Sorry but I 100% DISAGREE with cats are wild animals and need to live
outside point of view.
 
Just my 2 cents.
 
Edna
 
 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 09:13:09 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
 
 As an adopter, my views on this are very strict and well-defined - I 
 am responsible for placing cats in the safest possible homes, and I 
 would do no less. I need to be able to sleep at night, knowing that 
 the cats that I rescued and invested so much time, energy, and emotion 
 will be safe and happy for a long time.
 Yes, I agree, there still are a few safe area left, but not many and 
 none are 100% safe, ever. It is true that times used to be safer for 
 cats to be outdoors - ours always had been, especially when I was 
 growing up, until one of our kittens was killed by a 
 carUnfortunately, it takes many people to understand this only 
 after a tragedy occurs. When an adopter tells me that their cat ALWAYS 
 sat on the front porch, and never leftand they intend to do the 
 same with a new adopted cat, I say NO! Their old cat may have indeed 
 done that, but it doesn't mean that a new cat will do it: It takes ONLY
ONE TIME - chasing a squirrel or bird across the street, and WHAM!
 Cats can be perfectly happy indoors with tall cat trees by a window, a 
 window perch, the right kind of toys to keep them interested and active.
 More and more people construct outdoor enclosures; simple ones to 
 really elaborate ones, even just a little window screened porch. I 
 don't believe that cats need to hunt; if they are homeless and hungry, 
 yes, but there's no need for a well-fed cat to kill small wildlife, 
 not for food, but for fun and the reflex of chasing something (could be a
toy).
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
 Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:56 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
 
 This is a hot topic, but I agree humans and loss of habitat are the 
 main threat to birds.
 
 As for keeping cats inside. I've had cats all my life and they have 
 always been indoor/outdoor cats. All of them have lived to
 16 to 17 years

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

My housemate and I were faced with such a decision 10 or 11 years ago, when
we moved from our separate apartments to our formerly-two-flat house, and
melded our cat families. She had two, an elderly lady named Kitty and a
pugnacious orange boy named Tribble. I had 3 -- my laid-back Luc, my
introverted fluffy tortie Phoebe, and my mom's black girly, Missy. Tribble
had always deferred to Kitty when they lived together, and continued to do
so, thank goodness. But as time went on and our cat population changed a
little, Tribble showed quite a bit of aggression, and we had to take
somebody or other to the vet to have bites treated at least twice. So we
were in a real bind, since we are both cats-are-family-for-life people, and
we did love Tribble with all his peculiarities. We knew nobody would adopt
him anyway. We are both anti-declaw and had the raggedy furniture to prove
it, but we decided that for the safety of the other cats we would have him
declawed, feeling maybe he would lose some aggressiveness, and also that he
might still be able to bite, but he wouldn't be able to dig in and hold on
while he did so. We found the one place in town at the time that did the
laser technique.

We were worried about all the things mentioned -- the pain, the litter
problems, the behavioral problems. But he really seemed not to mind, even
during the first days. He was fine with the litterbox, and didn't develop
any behavioral problems above and beyond the ones he had going in. He was
still aggressive, but wasn't able to inflict nearly the damage, which was
mission accomplished as far as we were concerned. The upside for him is that
to this day he still tries to sharpen those claws on furniture, wicker etc.,
and he's the only one that doesn't get shooed away. I know we got lucky
here, and that most cats suffer more, but if we had it to do again we'd
still make the same decision under the same circumstances. It was either
that or sentence Tribble to almost certain death.

Diane R. 

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 4:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

I can see some times where it is either declaw the cat or end its
life.for the safety of an elderly owner for example.  That being said,
Copper and Thomas have their claws and, with a little planning re furniture,
there has been no problem.  Dixie and Ebony kept theirs too.  Ebony caused
some problems but, if I had known then  what I know now, I could have
limited them.  It takes a little work and patience, planning and thinking.
I would encourage anyone who wanted a declawed cat to try and get one that
has already been declawed.
On Mar 23, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Natalie wrote:

 That's horrible, and many people do not realize what it entails and 
 how many cats lose their lives - they think it's a manicure...but many 
 vets are to blame.  Several people told me that after adopting from 
 us, they went to their own vet, and after telling them that the cats 
 will be kept indoors only, the vets said Oh, you have an option to 
 declaw!  Banfield Health.
 The group at Petsmart, offers a big special for kitten health - all 
 the vaccines, exams, and declawing for a very good price!  I wrote to 
 them about declawing; they wrote back with the most ridiculous 
 comments.  If anyone would like to see their reply, I'll send it 
 privately.  Last year, I was informed that they will no longer cut 
 ears and tails on dogs, because it's purely cosmetic...I wrote to 
 them, asking their policy on declawing since they have made that big 
 leap on no longer mutilating dogs, they might have reconsidered doing 
 it to cats...no reply from them.
 O always ask people what they would prefer, a few things scratched up 
 or urine-soaked carpets and furniture.Besides, not all cats grow 
 up to be scratchers...and providing good posts and trimming their 
 nails works well.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
 Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:44 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors


 Natalie,  I am with you about the declawing.  Someone I know adopted 
 two
 kittens from me and one died on the table during a declaw surgery.   
 Yes, I
 HAD told her before hand NO declawing but people don't listen and 
 they always know best, yadda yadda :(  Then they wonder why Buster is 
 peeing on the bed and the floor because his paws hurt so badly from 
 the surgery.  SIGH :(

 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:55:49 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

 Edna, that's exactly what I tell people about letting their cats out 
 just because they want to. I ask them if they would allow their 3-yr 
 old to
 play

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

All too true. In Milwaukee, once, I saw a terrified wolf on the downtown
expressway being chased down by law enforcement (I think that ended badly
for the wolf :-() And all along my former bus route between Milwaukee and
Racine you can see deer and wolves in the fields-that-used-to-be-woods that
have been displaced by road and building construction. My friend on the west
side of Milwaukee is nervous about taking her dog for a walk at night
because she's near train tracks and coyotes are common along them, now,
having followed the tracks into urban areas looking for food. It's really
nuts the way some idiots build, build, build and then have the nerve to
blame cats for bird depredation. Oh, I know that outside cats account for a
considerable number of birds, squirrels, and the like, but humans are a way
bigger threat.

That being said, I am a strong advocate of keeping cats indoors for their
well-being. 

Diane R.

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of SomeWhere Sam
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 3:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

Sorry but that information is outdated or biased.  

The number one killer of birds is humans due to habitat loss or construction
for same.

Humans: The Number One Threat to Birds
http://www.alleycat.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=325

SomeWhere Sam





From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tue, March 22, 2011 2:37:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

In the newspaper today:

House cats are the #1 predator of wild birds.  The American Bird Conservancy
estimates up to 500 million birds per year are killed by cats.  About
400,000 are killed yearly by wind turbines (less than 20% of the number
killed by cats).  So now we have another reason to keep our cats indoors --
not only for their own health and safety, but for that of our BIRD
population!
Save the cats and the birds: Keep Your Cat Indoors!
~Bonnie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Yikes. Perhaps this vet should recuse himself from *treating* cats? A vet is
actually supposed to know stuff even though he isn't a _ person. I'm
glad you have other choices. 

When we took our Patches (the reason I am on this list, though he died a few
years ago) in for testing (he had just showed up on our doorstep one summer
night, demanding our attention, and terribly, terribly matted) our vet told
us he was FeLV+, and in the next breath said, These are your options...
Euthanasia was one of them, of course, but we were happy that she wasn't
pushing it, and the other options included seeing how things went and fairly
conservative treatment, and since we love animals but are not made of money,
we eagerly did that. Things didn't go well, unfortunately, and he became
symptomatic -- lymph nodes swollen, stopped eating -- and we let him go. He
was such a sweet guy, it still makes me sad to think we didn't have time to
really get to know him, and he never got a chance to leave the room we were
caring for him in, which he really wanted to do. But we are happy that he
came to us because if he had stayed on the street he would have had a much
worse end.

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:06 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice

Actually it was a young (early twenties) vet who didn't even know what an
IFA test was. He had to go read up about FeLV when I was there. He
did tell me he was not a cat person. He was the new kid on the block with
the four other vets who are in the same office. Unreal!!
I took one of my other cats to the clinic last Saturday for her yearly
check-up/vaccines and thank God I saw the vet I like and have seen the most
of during the last 8 years. He was sympathetic, but he was extremely
concered about exposing my other cats. I do think he would put her down if
it was up to him. 
However, he did not come out and actually say that. It was just the
impression I got.
I do think I will take Amber to see another vet who is recommened to me when
I take her back for retesting. He has his own cat just roaming around in his
office during the day. I bet he is a cat person!
 Jannes 



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Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Wow, Jannes. The vet advocating euthanization is a warning sign not to let
him/her treat this particular cat. She is obviously not up to date on the
latest research and you need all the knowledge you can get to maintain
Amber's good health. You might consider calling around to different vets and
see what their feeling is about FeLV care. If you know of some vets who
treat shelter cats, they may be a good place to start because they will have
encountered it before. 

Best of luck with Amber. I personally hope you choose to vaccinate the
others and let her commingle, but that's me and not you. ;-)

Diane R.

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:55 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice

I want to thank everyone who responded about my post regarding Amber, my
FeLV positive cat.
I have been feeling a little guilty about risking the health of my other
cats from some chance encounter with Amber. I still plan to be cautious but
do feel less stressed about it.
I have done a lot of research on the web, but there is nothing like being
able to get advice from folks who have experienced this situation.
The vet leaned toward euthanization after her after her test came back
positive. 
I just could not euthanize a seemingly otherwise healthy cat. I want to give
her a chance! I hope and pray that her next test will come back negative.  

Whatever happens, I am glad I was there to save her from starving to death.
She is getting high quality food now and lots of petting every chance I get!
She has improved a lot in the last few weeks. It is sad how she sits at the
top of the staircase and can't come upstairs. It is what it is, I guess. At
least for now...
I would love to hear from more folks regarding this subject.
Thanks you all and God Bless!!
Jannes 


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Generally spay/neuter is a good idea in most cases -- much less
uncomfortable for the cat, since heat is usually excruciating for them. But
this is a reason you should seek out a vet familiar with FeLV -- they should
be able to judge whether Amber would be too stressed by the procedure, or
figure out ways that she won't be (kitty Prozac?).

Diane R. 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 2:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.

I feel like I must be very cautious until I know for sure where we stand
after the restesting. I do appreciate your story and do not feel as nervous
about the situation as I did. This has certainly been a learning experience
for me. I have loved cats all my life and try to spoil them as much as I
can. It makes me feel good to see Amber get all the food she wants and I
hear her purr. It is sad she has lost her freedom but I hope to be able to
give her a good life.
BTW, Do you think I should have her spayed or wait until after the
restesting? 
My husband questions whether we should ever her spayed since she can't get
out.
 Jannes 





From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 7:04:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.

I'd say don't worry about it. I just don't think it's that contagious. I mix
mine.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 14, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:

 
 I foster cats and kittens for my local humane society.  Last week a 2 
year old kitty died.  She tested positive for FeLV.  I got her as a 
kitten and at that time she tested negative.  I have got quite a few 
cats that have been living with me as long as she has been with me.  
They all share the same food bowls and litterboxes.  None are 
vaccinated against FeLV since every cat or kitten that comes into my 
house has been tested first.  It terrified me when I found out she had 
been positive, especially since I have a 5 month old kitten that has 
been living with me since he was 8 weeks old.  Today I had him and an 
older kitten that is about 8 months old tested at the vet's office.  
The older kitten has been with me since he was about 12 weeks old.  
They both came out negative.  A couple weeks ago I had an adult that 
had been with me almost as long as the FeLV cat was with me and she 
tested negative as well.  So, I tell you this Jannes to confirm what 
the others have said because it shows that not all cats contract FeLV 
and there is no need to panic right now.  The vet felt that since those 
kittens and the cat that I had tested had been exposed to FeLV for so long
that if they were going to get it they would have already gotten it. 
Especially the cat that had lived at my house with the FeLV + cat for a year
and a half.
 
 A friend of mine has also had 3 or 4 FeLV positive cats living 
alongside her healthy cats for years.  She gets her healthy cats 
vaccinated against FeLV and they have never contracted the disease from 
the FeLV cats.  I would vaccinate your healthy cats now and let the 
FeLV + cat run around the basement and if she tests negative in a few 
months or test negative with the ELISA and IFA test I would let her in 
the rest of the house with the other cats.  But, that's what I would 
do, not necessarily what you should do.  Actually, I would trust the 
vaccine and after your healthy cats get their vaccination (it takes a 
series of two shots the first time) then I'd let all three hang together. 
But it's your cats and you have to make that decision.
 
 
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that 
are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts 
upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it 
is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking 
further.” – Mark Twain
 
 
 
 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:26:53 -0700
 From: jgonza...@pacbell.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.
 
 I realize now that I did not address the concern you posted about.  I 
felt the need to educate you about the testing protocol for FELV 
because I would hate to see you cage a cat for 3 months that may not even
be infected with the virus.
You cannot consider a cat persistently viremic until they test 
positive on the IFA test.

 
 If it turns out the cat you rescued is really FELV positive, she is not
going 
to transmit the virus to your other cats through some chance encounter. 
It 
would take prolonged contact with your other cats to infect them with the 
virus.  Even if they had prolonged contact, it does not mean your other
cats 
would get the virus.  Some cats are able to build an immune response and
fight 
off the virus.  I rescued a cat over

Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Sounds like you've got a great vet there. Congrats!

Diane R. 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 7:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.

My vet always treats a cat with health problems with vitamin injections for
about a week or two - vitamin B12, C, etc. - it builds up their immune
system a bit before surgery.  We call it The Cocktail. You can't imagine
how many cats' lives have been saved with these cocktails, practically
coming back from the dead!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 7:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.

Generally spay/neuter is a good idea in most cases -- much less
uncomfortable for the cat, since heat is usually excruciating for them. But
this is a reason you should seek out a vet familiar with FeLV -- they should
be able to judge whether Amber would be too stressed by the procedure, or
figure out ways that she won't be (kitty Prozac?).

Diane R. 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 2:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.

I feel like I must be very cautious until I know for sure where we stand
after the restesting. I do appreciate your story and do not feel as nervous
about the situation as I did. This has certainly been a learning experience
for me. I have loved cats all my life and try to spoil them as much as I
can. It makes me feel good to see Amber get all the food she wants and I
hear her purr. It is sad she has lost her freedom but I hope to be able to
give her a good life.
BTW, Do you think I should have her spayed or wait until after the
restesting? 
My husband questions whether we should ever her spayed since she can't get
out.
 Jannes 





From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 7:04:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.

I'd say don't worry about it. I just don't think it's that contagious. I mix
mine.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 14, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:

 
 I foster cats and kittens for my local humane society.  Last week a 2 
year old kitty died.  She tested positive for FeLV.  I got her as a 
kitten and at that time she tested negative.  I have got quite a few 
cats that have been living with me as long as she has been with me.
They all share the same food bowls and litterboxes.  None are 
vaccinated against FeLV since every cat or kitten that comes into my 
house has been tested first.  It terrified me when I found out she had 
been positive, especially since I have a 5 month old kitten that has 
been living with me since he was 8 weeks old.  Today I had him and an 
older kitten that is about 8 months old tested at the vet's office.
The older kitten has been with me since he was about 12 weeks old. They 
both came out negative.  A couple weeks ago I had an adult that had 
been with me almost as long as the FeLV cat was with me and she tested 
negative as well.  So, I tell you this Jannes to confirm what the 
others have said because it shows that not all cats contract FeLV and 
there is no need to panic right now.  The vet felt that since those 
kittens and the cat that I had tested had been exposed to FeLV for so 
long
that if they were going to get it they would have already gotten it.
Especially the cat that had lived at my house with the FeLV + cat for a year
and a half.
 
 A friend of mine has also had 3 or 4 FeLV positive cats living 
alongside her healthy cats for years.  She gets her healthy cats 
vaccinated against FeLV and they have never contracted the disease from 
the FeLV cats.  I would vaccinate your healthy cats now and let the 
FeLV + cat run around the basement and if she tests negative in a few 
months or test negative with the ELISA and IFA test I would let her in 
the rest of the house with the other cats.  But, that's what I would 
do, not necessarily what you should do.  Actually, I would trust the 
vaccine and after your healthy cats get their vaccination (it takes a 
series of two shots the first time) then I'd let all three hang together.
But it's your cats and you have to make that decision.
 
 
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that 
are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts 
upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it 
is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking 
further.” – Mark Twain
 
 
 
 Date: Mon, 14 Mar

Re: [Felvtalk] Leona Jean Yahmuna

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Just an addendum -- don't get the stuff that's formulated for humans, there
are unhealthy-for-cats additives. Get the pure stuff from a health
food/supplement store. Best of luck with Leona Jean.

Diane R. 

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 8:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leona Jean Yahmuna

Megan,

I am in Ohio so can't help you that way but would strongly recommend you get
Leona Jean on L-Lysine.  I cannot tell you exactly what it is or how it does
what it appears to do but I am sure some of the others can fill you in.

I have two cats that are FIV positive and have had them on L-Lysine for well
over a year.  After a few weeks any recurrence of their upper respiratory
symptoms was negligible and neither of them has had a recurrence at all in
many months.  Both are fat and sassy, with clear eyes and noses.  No
sneezing, rattling, etc.  It apparently helps bolster their immune system
and while I in no way think it is a miracle or the end-all for this nasty
disease, I think it is of great value.

Go on line and look for it or go to a local health food store.  If your cat
is picky or hard to pill or medicate I suggest the soft treats.  A bit more
expensive but great for fickle cats.  My two will fight over the things and
come running when I rattle the container they are in.

Kat

On 2/20/11, czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Leona Jean is the FIV female who came to my patio on Thanksgiving Day. 
 I have written of her before and was graciously advised to check out 
 the FIV group.

 Her upper respiratory symptoms are back - - the worst since she presented.
 Leona Jean  is now having a little goop in the corners of her eyes and 
 the mucous is beginning to string.  She has been on about four 
 different antibiotics.  The vet said on the last visit that her lungs
sounded clear.
 Does that mean nose  sinuses are where the infection is?   We just
finished
 the 200 mg azithromycin the vet put her on last time.  Leona Jean's 
 respiratory symptoms diminish only somewhat but really don't even come 
 close to clearing.

 The vet had advised to use the azithromycin daily and then on 
 alternate days.  Humidity and hydrating with juice don't seem to help 
 like they did before.  She won't drink homemade chicken broth either.

 comments?

 I wouldn't fight at all if someone knew of a superb FIV home for her.  
 My own local inquires have come up empty.  She is sweet, sleeps with 
 me, maybe has a megacolon.  We are in the Piedmont of NC.

 Thank you.

 Megan

 which brings the third comment:  dealing with personal exhaustion; finding
a
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tweeze is gone.

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

I'm so sorry you lost Tweezer. I know you fought fiercely for him right from
the start. He was a beautiful, beautiful happy boy all because of you. Be
very proud of the difference you made to this little life. Hugs and gentle
Bridge vibes.

Diane R.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Frank  Sue Koren
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 7:06 PM
To: FeLV talk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Tweeze is gone.

Tweezer lost his battle with this horrible disease this afternoon.  He had
an aggressive lymphoma so there was no hope that he would get better or that
he could even be made more comfortable.  He crashed at the beginning of this
week and was having spasms that were making it very difficult for him to
eat, drink or even to stand.  He has been very unhappy and scared all week
long.  

When I took Tweezer in he was extremely malnourished and had worms, ear
mites, goopy eyes and an upper respiratory infection.  As his health
improved he became such a happy cat!  He was so happy to be alive, he always
wanted to play and be loved.  This is a you-tube link to a video I took of
him a few months ago.  He would come to me and ask me to come and play with
him and then lead me to the toys.

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/katlover13100#p/a/u/2/xXvteShI_Ig

 

Rest in peace my darling Tweezer.  My heart is breaking but at least there
is no feline leukemia where you are now.

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] potential kitty tested negative

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Excellent! Bravo for this sweet kitty!

Diane R.

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:52 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] potential kitty tested negative

I mentioned that one of the kitties we were going to look at for adoption
never had an IFA test.  She’s been in a cage for a year at a shelter.  I had
them do an IFA and she’s negative!  She’s a healthy, roly-poly adult,
sweetie pie.  They actually thanked me for educating them and said they will
follow a different testing protocol going forward.  I’m happy for this
kitty.
 
shannon


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT- Trooper

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

I'm so happy for Trooper! What a beautiful boy!

Diane R. 

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 5:50 PM
To: dlg...@windstream.net
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT- Trooper

He is the sweetest cat in the world, really.  We still don't know what
happened to him but whatever it was he came through it with flying colors.
 All credit goes to our fabulous vet!

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:45 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 Trooper really is a trooper to survive that.
  Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
  An update for those who helped with Trooper- what he looks like 
  today
 
  http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper
 
  Thanks all!
 
  --
  Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
 
  http://www.rescuties.org
 
  Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
 
  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
 
  http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
 
  Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
  http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
 
  Please help Trooper!
 
  http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper
 
 
  And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers 
  they can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, 
  that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to
continue.
 
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http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties

Please help Trooper!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper


And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they
should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Xander Aloysious

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Sherry, I am so sorry. May Xander enjoy his time at the Bridge until you
meet again. Hugs.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:54 AM
To: Felvtalk; feline-stomati...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Xander Aloysious

I had to let my beautiful boy Xander go last night. He has been a miracle
cat since Dec. 2 when he had his bloodwork done and Dr. Jen said he should
NOT have been alive. His blood cells barely existed but yet he was SO full
of life still. She sent him home with me and told me to love him to pieces
cause she would be amazed if he makes it another week Well he proved to
be a miracle cat for 42 days. But when he stopped wanting to eat and stopped
giving momma his headbutts that won me over and convinced me to adopt him 4
1/2 years ago ,I knew I had to let him go before he crashed.Very hard night
but relieved he is no longer sick.I love you my beautiful boy...
Sherry


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Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] cat testing + for feline AIDS

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Hi, Czadna --

Thanks for caring for, and about, this little girl. I can't offer any direct
advice about treatment of this current crisis, but it sounds like you're
doing all the right things. 

The good news is that if you can get her past this respiratory thing, FIV
positive cats are generally easier to care for than FeLV+ cats. The FIV (not
Feline AIDS by the way -- the major similarity between human and feline
immune-deficiency is the suppressed immune system, and FIV acts and is
treated differently from AIDS -- I mention this because people do still go
crazy when you say AIDS). FIV is not easily transmitted (much like FeLV) and
an asymptomatic FIV kitty may live long and healthily. 

Obviously the respiratory problem is not to be taken lightly, it's just this
sort of stuff that the immune deficiency makes so much worse. Vibes that you
can get Laura Jean through it and that she can get all the way healthy again
despite her FIV status. Best of luck!

Diane R.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 12:39 PM
To: feline leukemia list
Subject: [Felvtalk] cat testing + for feline AIDS




Laura Jean came to my patio on Thanksgiving Day with bulging flanks, goopy
eyes and respiration issues.
 
Rescue friends offered antibiotics.
 
She tested positive for feline AIDS at a vet.  SHE IS SWEET!!.  I cannot
afford imaging and lab work , . . .
Like many of us my plate contains enough for 2 people with my feline
leukemia family, . hey live elsewhere than my apartment.. .
 
She was treated for tape and round worms which really helped a lot. Vet
prescribed azithromycin.  We had used amoxicillin and cephalexin.  She has
not been real responsive to antibiotics for her breathing. Quite
unresponsive actually.   I started her back on them today, Saturday.  She
had been isolated in the bedroom of my one bedroom apartment and has been
pulling her hair out since she arrived.  This week her bowel movements are
mostly hair.  Humidty helps her breathing a lot.  She has a good appetite.
I put her in a big cage in the other area of the apartment thinking that
maybe the hair pulling was anxiety..  I tried to position so she cannot rub
noses with the other cats.  It has been really calm.  She has been flea
treated. Flea combing finds nothing.   There are 2 6 month-old kittens plus
an adult female in the main part of the apartment.  One kitten has not been
tested or vaccinated for FIV/leukemia..
 
 
P.S.  Sunday a.m.   she did not pull fur out all day but when I put her back
in cage in bedroom for night she took a big chunk of fur into her mouth.  a
rough night.  up taking a shower to help her breathing.  a couple hours
later gave her homemade chicken broth.  abdomen was really tight.  bowels
did move well later - - this time cooked sweet potato which she had devoured
in preference to her other food.  breathing sounds damp - - sneezes after
give antibiotic.she is not a candidate for euthanasia at this time.
eyes not running. no strings of mucus when give antibiotic.  thinking back
to vet tomorrow.
 
Any comments will be appreciated.  Thank you.

  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Spanky is an angel

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Stacy, I'm so sorry to hear that Spanky has passed. Hugs to you and sweet
Bridge vibes to him.

Diane R. 

- Original Message -
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Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 10:11 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Spanky is an angel


 Hello everyone:

 We haven't posted much on this list for awhile since Spanky was 
 diagnosed with cranial mediastinal lymphoma. It is with a broken heart 
 that I am posting to say that Spanky lost his battle with FELV and 
 lymphoma on New Year's eve day.  He had a seizure earlier in the week 
 after taking an appetite stimulant and things went downhill this past 
 week and his phosphorous was so low the vet said they had never seen a 
 cat with  low phos like this, and he developed severe non-regenerative 
 anemia.  His type of lymphoma was fast growing and he wasn't able to 
 have a chemo treatment for weeks either.

 Thank you so much to everyone on this list, your kitties, your angels 
 for all the help and support and love you've shown to us. You were an 
 absolutely wonderful support network.  Without this group we wouldn't 
 have tried the LCTI imulan, interferon or the many supplements we 
 learned about like Transfer factor etc.

 I wish all of you the best in 2011 and beyond and will purray your 
 furbabies stay as healthy as they possibly can.
 We send purrayers and healing thoughts to all of you.
 Thanks again
 Stacy and Angel Spanky
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Re: [Felvtalk] Boo is gone

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

I'm very sorry, Beth. May Boo's Bridge journey be easy. Hugs to you.

Diane R. 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 6:20 PM
To: FeLV Talk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Boo is gone

My foster Boo lost her battle with FeLV last night. It was discovered she
had lymphoma. I still have 4 other FeLV babies, including Boo's brother,
Tab.
Boo was so shy with the other cats, but just loved attention from her human
mommy.
She left way too soon.

Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mick (Mickerdoodles) Please add to the CLS :(

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Safe Bridge journey to the sweet boy, and hugs to you and all at Sids.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:05 PM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Mick (Mickerdoodles) Please add to the CLS :(

Well not a good way to start out the New Year...We lost our wonderful sweet
Sids kid Mick today to this awful disease.Mick had such a gentle personality
that you could not help but to love.His sweet face will be missed by MANY. I
had a feeling that I should stop in today to see him,so I kissed his head
and told him that I loved him...his response was the most beautiful loud
song of purrsanother broken piece of my heart,but the love I have will
heal that broken piece in time
Sherry


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Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

The listmom of my feral-cats list (she is Wiccan) feels strongly that cats
love to be sung to, and to have their own special song. So y'all are on the
right track! She also says that cats love to be told their own story --
where they came from, how you met them, whatever. She feels that there is a
special kind of communication and they sort of understand on a cellular
level that the song or story is about them. I'm not as radical as that, but
I do occasionally try to tell one cat or another its story. Can't hurt! Oh,
and she tells people to explain things to cats and ask their permission,
forgiveness or whatever. This might be useful for those of us going through
hard times with our kitties -- assisted feeding, pilling etc. 

Diane R.

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 1:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats

So I'm not the only one who makes up little songs for the cats!
Each cat has its own song (some have several) -- a kind of theme song. 
For some reason, I do this for every cat.  I wonder why we do this?
The songs are quite nice...or so the cat thinks!
ha!
~B.
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats


 On 12-26, Katy Doyle wrote:

 This might sound silly, but I sing to my cats. Like when I'm taming
 and socializing feral kittens... It seems to work and I have fun
 :-)

 It's good to know I'm not the only one who makes up silly little
 songs to sing to my cats :-)

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Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

That's another thing: ALWAYS listen to what they tell you, and accept it at
face value! ;-) 

Have you ever read Paul Gallico's wonderful Thomasina? SHE refers to
herself as Sekhmet Bast-Ra, Cat Goddess of Bubastis.

Diane R.



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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats

That's lovely Diane, all very great info.  We always talk about wishing they
came with a 'baby book', because we have such a curiosity to know what their
lives were like before us, what happened, what their story was.  We usually
fill in the gaps.  For example, Whimsy is descended from the Czar cats of
Meowscow, hence his long fluffy coat for keeping warm in winter.  :)  Well,
that's what he told me anyhow.

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From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 5:54 PM


The listmom of my feral-cats list (she is Wiccan) feels strongly that cats
love to be sung to, and to have their own special song. So y'all are on the
right track! She also says that cats love to be told their own story --
where they came from, how you met them, whatever. She feels that there is a
special kind of communication and they sort of understand on a cellular
level that the song or story is about them. I'm not as radical as that, but
I do occasionally try to tell one cat or another its story. Can't hurt! Oh,
and she tells people to explain things to cats and ask their permission,
forgiveness or whatever. This might be useful for those of us going through
hard times with our kitties -- assisted feeding, pilling etc. 

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 1:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats

So I'm not the only one who makes up little songs for the cats!
Each cat has its own song (some have several) -- a kind of theme song. 
For some reason, I do this for every cat.  I wonder why we do this?
The songs are quite nice...or so the cat thinks!
ha!
~B.
- Original Message -
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats


 On 12-26, Katy Doyle wrote:

 This might sound silly, but I sing to my cats. Like when I'm taming 
 and socializing feral kittens... It seems to work and I have fun
 :-)

 It's good to know I'm not the only one who makes up silly little songs 
 to sing to my cats :-)

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Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy update (happy news)

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Wow, Shannon, that is fabulous news! And really weird since it sounded like
once he got out he would never want to come back in. Most of our cats have
been outdoor cats before they came here (3 were feral, one a stray) and when
they look out the window at the subzero winter we wish there was a way to
let them know how much better off they are inside. Luckily none of them ever
really made an issue of it, and it's so cool that Whimsy seems to be
satisfied now as well. 

Diane R.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Whimsy update (happy news)

After a stressful, scary week, Whimsy, aka the Whimzinator, is back and
better than ever.  I knew all he wanted was to go out, so relunctantly, I
took him in the yard with me for an hour in the cold, and he was thrilled. 
he sniffed, walked around, and then ran back in. He was satisfied, had his
fill.  He literally came back to life in front of my eyes.  He hasn't wanted
to go out since, and we don't have any plans to do so.  Just to build his
enclosure.  It was against everything I believe is right, but I felt him
telling me it was the only way he'd eat again.  I really felt he would die
if he didn't get to do this.  The pepcid injections helped too - but right
after he ran in, he ate again, after barely eating for 6 days.  He's now
back to where he was calorie wise, and is even more loving and cuddly...
 
go figure...
 
thank you everyone for your help.  And thank you for the suggestions on
nausea - i think he got a sour tummy from being upset, and created a big
problem for himself.  your suggestions made me remember i could get pepcid
injections (since we can't pill him) and this was great.
 
Shannon and the royal cat Whimsy


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy - check up results

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Excellent news! You must be so relieved. It's so scary when they Just.
Won't. Eat. and you don't know what their issue is.  Season's Greetings to
Whimsy and all of you.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 10:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy - check up results

hi Natalie and everyone!
 
thanks for all the food suggestions!!
 
Good news! The Whimzer has resume eating - apparently, he was just very
angry and disturbed that we changed his routine.  Good to know for the
future. It was quite a fright though.   He started eating normally this
morning.  Now we can truly celebrate his good bloodwork.  We are so grateful
for each healthy minute this boy has. It is just about a year ago that the
clinic 'gave us the option' of euthanizing him just because of his positive
status.  I was so happy to show them all how well he was doing, and I know
that he will help the staff in encouraging others to keep their FeLV
babies.  My vet is so open minded and is delighted to see him become a
beloved indoor guy.
 
thanks all, Merry Christmas,
Shannon

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From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy - check up results
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, December 25, 2010, 10:28 AM


Can you try giving something to calm him down, like Bach Flower Rescue
Remedy or other available things such as PetCalm, etc? I bet some Feliway
would help him too!  Good luck - Natalie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 2:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Whimsy - check up results

hi everyone,
 
Whimsy went for his check up yesterday and we didn't put him under this
time.   However, he went into 'frozen' mode, and it stressed him greatly. He
was very well behaved, just petrified.  He is very angry, depressed,
scratching on his doors to get out today. He was yowling this morning at the
doors.   He hasn't eaten yet today either - just sniffs and walks away.  I
am not a big fan of vaccines in general, and was very torn, but ended up
getting him rabies only, because he is a flight risk still.  I don't know if
his demeanor is a 'mild' vaccine reaction, or a stress related one, or
both.  He does not seem to have a fever, although he's not a kitty I can
easily check this on; gums are healthy color.
 
I am deeply grateful that his blood work was perfect (did a full panel); I
did repeat snap test, just in case, and the FeLV was positive still and FIV
negative.  His heart/lungs sound good, and his mouth, etc., look just fine
as well.
 
I just talked to my vet and she will call in a cypro rx if we need it  and
is available all through the weekend for us (we love her!!) (though he might
be a nightmare to pill, ditto with syringe feeding). I know all the other
tricks, so I will let him nap for awhile and see if I can tempt him at
dinner time.
 
wishing you and your furbabies a Merry Christmas, Shannon and Whimsy
 
 


      
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Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy - check up results

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Hi, Shannon --

Maybe this is old info for you, but for some reason Kentucky Fried Chicken
-- skin and bones removed, served warm -- often lures stubborn kitties to
the food bowl. Obviously one of those herbs and spices is catnip... Also,
I've recently heard that Friskies Temptation treats are like kitty crack. In
my experience our cats can take or leave them...like anything we *think*
they'll love... But some people on my feral cats list have been saying they
work well, at least for their (trapping) purposes.

Best wishes and calming-down vibes for Whimsy, and have a great holiday.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 1:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Whimsy - check up results

hi everyone,
 
Whimsy went for his check up yesterday and we didn't put him under this
time.   However, he went into 'frozen' mode, and it stressed him greatly. He
was very well behaved, just petrified.  He is very angry, depressed,
scratching on his doors to get out today. He was yowling this morning at the
doors.   He hasn't eaten yet today either - just sniffs and walks away.  I
am not a big fan of vaccines in general, and was very torn, but ended up
getting him rabies only, because he is a flight risk still.  I don't know if
his demeanor is a 'mild' vaccine reaction, or a stress related one, or
both.  He does not seem to have a fever, although he's not a kitty I can
easily check this on; gums are healthy color.
 
I am deeply grateful that his blood work was perfect (did a full panel); I
did repeat snap test, just in case, and the FeLV was positive still and FIV
negative.  His heart/lungs sound good, and his mouth, etc., look just fine
as well.
 
I just talked to my vet and she will call in a cypro rx if we need it  and
is available all through the weekend for us (we love her!!) (though he might
be a nightmare to pill, ditto with syringe feeding). I know all the other
tricks, so I will let him nap for awhile and see if I can tempt him at
dinner time.
 
wishing you and your furbabies a Merry Christmas, Shannon and Whimsy
 
 


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Caesar Please add to the CLS :(

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Oh, Sherry, I am so sorry. Gentle Bridge vibes to Caesar and hugs to you and
all at Sids. I'm sure Caesar left this world comforted by your special love
for him.

Diane R. 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 7:40 PM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Caesar Please add to the CLS :(

What can I say about this BEAUTIFUL sweet boy,he had the softest most gentle
look in his eyes ALWAYS. And he knew out of ALL the Sids kids he was extra
special to my heart.I got to spend some time with him after my shift
Saturday,and deep in my heart I knew I was not going to see him again.I had
such a hard time leaving that night.I could NOT give him enough kisses on
his beautiful black and white face or tell him I loved him enough times.He
knew he was my special baby.As you all know I love all the Sids kids,but
some melt into your heart just a little more. My heart is so heavy tonight.
:( Sherry


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Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is gone.

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Alice, I tried to send this yesterday but it never came through. I am so, so
sorry that you lost Murphy. You all fought the good fight for him, and did
the kind thing when he said it was time. Hugs to you and Glenn. I know
Murphy had a joyous but bittersweet reunion with his brothers at the Bridge.
Long life vibes for your plucky little Rosie.

Diane R.

--- On Tue, 10/26/10, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy is gone.
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, October 26, 2010, 2:54 AM  Murphy has passed to the 
 bridge tonight to join Buster, Oni, Jack and Schatzi-Rosie's 4 
 brothers that passed last year. He was 2 1/2. Glenn and I saw in his 
 eyes tonight that he was tired. He gave it all he had but in the end 
 FeLV took him too.We will miss him so much-he filled the house with 
 his incredible personality. He always ran to the door to greet 
 everyone-he never knew a stranger. I will miss his big, poly-dactyl 
 feet going clickity-click around the house and how he could leap up 
 the wall and turn the light switch off and on when he chased the laser 
 toy. Rosie will miss giving him vampire kisses-she's a tough love 
 kinda girl and she is the last Mohican of the 6
 FeLV+ kitties we
 began this journey with. Thanks to all of you for your kindness and 
 caring.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Add my Chloe (FELV) to the Bridge list

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Gloria, I am so very sorry. Gentlest of Bridge vibes to Chloe, and hugs to
you. I am sure she is with all her friends who have gone before. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 6:53 PM
To: Feline Leukemia
Subject: [Felvtalk] Add my Chloe (FELV) to the Bridge list

My Chloe died today - she's a gray and white FELV kitty, a lovely and sweet
kitty.  I got her in Sept 2005, from a lady in Oklahoma named Jennifer.
Jennifer had been a vet tech, and had FELV cats, but when her baby developed
serious problems and she needed to pass her specia needs cats on to someone
else, and I took them.

One by one they have passed on.  Chloe was the last - she was 15 or  
16, claws had grown out, and she was having some kidney problems.   
Fall is so dry, it seems to be hard on kidney cats.

Chloe was a sweetie and had a soft and gentle passing.  I kept covering her
and trying to keep her hydrated and warm, but she said no mom, I don't want
the cover on me. Sleep soft sweet Chloe.

Gloria

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Re: [Felvtalk] Our Lydia

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Anndrea, I'm so sorry that Lydia left you. Gentle Bridge vibes to her and
hugs to you.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Anndrea DeLozier
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 4:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Our Lydia

Well Lydia got to where she couldn't even swallow and had lost so much
muscle weight. We decided to take her in today to be PTS. It seemed very
peaceful and I have my doubts she would have made it another day at home
anyway. I stayed with her until her very last moment and then took her to a
wonderful (and affordable) pet cremation place. I'm very sad to lose her.
She was truly one of a kind. But it was her time and I hope I will see her
in my next lifetime. Thank you to those who have helped so graciously with
info and also to whoever runs this site. It has been an amazing place to
come across and just when I needed it most. We believe our Lydia was born
with FeLV since she has been fairly skinny her whole life (but not emaciated
until recently). She has a sister (my Dewey...named her after my most
favorite liquid in the universe - Mountain Dew) and we will be getting her
and our other cat tested within the next week. Thanks again and I'll let
y'all know the test results.

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Re: [Felvtalk] BOB

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

How sad. Best of Bridge vibes to sweet Bob and hugs to you.

Diane 

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Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 6:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] BOB

BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS THRU AND SOMEHOW ALWAYS COMES BACK .  MY BOBY DIED
WEDNESDAY THE 8TH.  HE DID NOT SHOW UP FOR FOOD AND WHEN I FOUND HIM, HE WAS
ALREADY GROWING COLD.  DECIDED NOT TO DO AUTOPSY, WOULD NOT BRING HIM BACK
AND WOULD ONLY MUTILATE HIM.  I MISS HIM.  HE WAS SUCH A GENTLE SOUL AND
TOOK SUCH GOOD CARE OF THE KITTENS WHEN I BROUGHT THEM HOME.  HE BATHED THEM
AND TAUGHT THEM TO HUNT AND WRESTLED WITH THEM AND THEY ALL SLEPT TOGETHER.
I HAVE PICTURES TO REMEMBER, BUT NOT THE SAME.  HE WAS ONLY 5 AND THERE WAS
NO WARNING .

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Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's check up

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Oh, Alice, I am so sorry. Hugs to you and your family, and an extra one to
Murphy. 

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 7:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy's check up

We seemed to have the anemia under control with the Procrit (epogen) and
iron, doxy and cypro, but we got hit hard today. I told our vet that
although he seems good with color in his mucous membranes, he looks to me to
be breathing too fast. She checked and his lungs sounded raspy-the
ultrasound showed that he has pockets of fluid and lymphoma. We are going to
be giving lasix and pred for the short time he has left. This FeLV has
ravaged our little family-soon Rosie will be the last kitty standing out of
the 6 we began this awful journey with 2 years ago. I am sick and cannot
think-this is too much to bear. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] please add Tiger to the CLS

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Laura, hugs to you and sweet Bridge vibes to Tiger. It's very sad, but as
others are saying oftimes we don't realize things are wrong until they can't
be fixed. It's too bad that cats aren't whiny like, you know, men. ;) We
could help so many more of them if they'd let us. Tiger sounds like a
wonderful boy and you've been a wonderful mom for those 3 years.

Once I happened to call a friend just after she had gotten one of those
dreaded vet calls. It was horrible. We cried on the phone together. 

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] please add Tiger to the CLS

Tiger didn't have FeLV, but he passed away last night, much too soon. He was
thirteen. I'd had him for three years.  He was always a gentleman  a
loving, sweet boy. Three weeks ago we went to the vet. Something was wrong;
he was sluggish and not eating well. It turns out he had a large abcess in
his throat. The abcess was lanced, a whole lot of dead tissue was removed,
we were sent home with antibiotics and everyone thought things would be
fine. They weren't - there was a second vet visit last Monday, the abcess
was drained again  he was given more fluids. Tiger was hospitalized this
Monday. The abcess wouldn't clear up, and even though he was given a
stronger antibiotic he just couldn't fight the infection. I visited him
yesterday and he ate for me and purred and purred. I didn't want to get my
hopes up too high, but I still wasn't expecting my vet to call this morning
 give me the news that he'd died. I thought maybe we had a little bit of a
chance. It turns out that Tiger had a hole in his esophagus; he must have
ingested something that cut him. I would give anything to have him back with
me.
I wish I had taken him in sooner. He'd been quiet this summer, and not
sleeping with me at night like he normally did, but everybody was quiet this
summer because the house was so warm. Nobody else was snuggling with me on
the bed either. I didn't pick up on the little signs that he wasn't feeling
well. If I had, he might still be alive today.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Abagail and Rani

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Sherry and Sara, my deepest condolences on losing these heartbreakingly
young babies. I'm sure there's a lot of discussion at the Bridge of who was
the most loved and cared for. Blessings to Rani and Abagail.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sara Kasteleyn
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 5:54 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Abagail and Rani

Was so sorry to read about Abagail, Sherry. Our little Rani lost her battle
as well on Friday afternoon.  She was only 16 months old, and now joins her
Bengal brother Taj who we lost in June, as well as ALL our other brave
little ones at the Bridge.  

We are so very sad.

Sara

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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Theo to CLC list

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

I *know* you made his little life better with your love and care. He had a
rough beginning and the best ending any little foundling could hope for. I'm
sorry you lost him so soon. Gentlest of Bridge vibes to Theo, and many hugs
to you, Heather.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Clark
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 5:24 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Theo to CLC list

This sweet little orange baby was found starving in a ditch at a  few weeks
old.  We got him as well as we could but he never managed to be symptom
free.  We gave him lots of love and hopefully made his short life better.
 He succumbed to his illness today at only five months old.  It's amazing
how much they touch your hearts in such a short time.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie - Please add to CLS

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Blessings to Wolfie at the Bridge, and hugs to you. He sounds like a
wonderful, noble boy. Thank you for telling his story.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 2:31 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Wolfie - Please add to CLS

Wolfie left us today after a long battle with leukemia.  I took him in 6
years ago after he was found in a pole barn and was going to be put to sleep
after testing positive.  I still remember going to see him for the first
time.  He had cuts under his eyes and looked so sad.  I couldn't possibly
resist even though my husband is horribly allergic to cats.  Wolfie thrived
in our home and was a joy to live with for the past 6 years.  The horrible
sores under his eyes went away and he grew to be one of my biggest boys.  He
was always a momma's boy and spent hours and hours on my chest purring and
kneading daily.  Even when I was pregnant, he spent every night on my belly.
He was the most opinionated cat I've ever had and he insisted on his way at
all times but it was an honor to know him.  

He was diagnosed with non-regenerative anemia on my b-day last year and has
graced me with almost another year to enjoy him.  I'm so grateful for that
time with him.  He has fought for the last year with such strength, courage
and amazing determination.  However, he decided today was the end of the
fight.  I wouldn't expect anything less from him.  My favorite number is 23
(hence my e-mail address awilkins23) and while it's a sad day, I'm glad that
I will think of Wolfie with wonderful memories every time I see that number.

Thanks for all the advice and support that I've been given while trying to
help Wolfie beat this disease.

Amy


  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Hi, Julie. Sorry you lost your boy. This so sounds like my own intro to
FeLV, when a stray came to my door and yowled to get in. He was a sweet and
friendly boy, ready for affection even during the first few days, when he
had horrific mats in his fur -- he looked like he had wings, but they were
all mats. We got some of them out, and the vet finished up, but their tests
revealed FeLV. We isolated Patches in a room away from our other cats and
gave him lots of love and care, but after only 7 weeks he stopped eating.
The vet said he thought there were lymphoma tumors making swallowing
painful, so we made the decision and sent him along. We felt so bad for him,
he really wanted to join the other cats in the rest of the house and was
just such a nice boy. To this day I wish we had been able to do better by
him, but our consolation is that his last couple of months were full of
comfort and caring. 

The connection between FeLV and tumors is that the FeLV suppresses the
immune system, and leaves them open to conditions, especially like lymphoma
and cancers, that cats are naturally prone to but that a healthy cat's body
would fight off. 

Hugs to you, and gentlest of Bridge vibes to your boy. 

Diane R.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Julie G.
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 5:31 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude

Hi I've been lurking a few weeks.  In July I picked up a stray that turned
out to be FELV+.  In his few weeks with me he gained a pound, had a cushy
bed, delicious premium canned food, and all the snuggles I had time to give
him, since he lived in the basement while I tried to figure out where he
could live (I have 4 cats).  I'd watch movies on the laptop with him on my
lap, snoozing away happily.  He always seemed a little wobbly, and his
pupils were always different sizes.  But he was relatively happy so we kept
on.  Last night his back legs didnt work.  This had happened before, my pet
sitter said, but they always came back on after a while.  But this morning
they still didnt work. The vet examined and confirmed that he had tumors
pressing on his spinal cord. He was in pain and his entire back end didn't
do what he wanted it too.  So the decision was made to let him go.  


He'd been living under porches on my block for at least a few months when we
finally caught him.  I'm so glad we did, I cant imagine what a frustrating,
frightening life he'd be having out on the street right now, starving, full
of tape worm, and 2 back legs that wont work.  I'm crushed that we couldnt
give him a better life, and for longer, but I'm glad we got to him when he
needed us, and filled his belly and his heart for a few weeks.  Safe and
comfy and within a foot of food at all times. :)

Anyway, I dont know anything about FELV, this was my first introduction to
it... 
so I dont exactly know how the tumors are related (cancer?)... but I wanted
to drop a line to folks who understand.  He wasnt my kitty for long, but he
was my kitty.


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Mega-vibes for Murphy and hugs to you, Alice and Glenn.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 1:24 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more

Murphy has been sneezing-We took Murphy and Rosie in yesterday for check ups
and blood work. They did an in house PCV on him because his gums were pale.
He is anemic at 18.5%. This is the beginning of the end. I had hoped that
after losing Rosie's 4 brothers last year that we would get a reprieve. I
had hoped that the vet's rough rule of 1/3 would apply to us since we began
with 6. We had Rosie and her 5 brothers-and Murphy, the friendly kitten that
was tossed into the feral colony that we caught Rosie and the boys from
after trapping and neutering their mother-1/3 of kitties would succumb
quickly, 1/3 would die young and 1/3 generally live fairly uneventful lives
for quite a while. Murphy is becoming lethargic at times, sometimes
stretching out and sleeping on the floor-not his usual pose-he is my eagle,
if he isn't on the computer desk next to me-curled up in an envelope box
(any box will do-he has even tried to squeeze into a box barely big enough
for his head-LOL)-he is asleep in the spare room-on top of the bookcase! He
has a talent of springing from the floor and landing in a box on top of a 4'
cabinet without touching the edges-he is like a little antelope with his
springy legs. Murphy is the king of cats-I have never been owned by such an
awesome kitty. He is beautiful with his fluffy, tuxedo coat, huge eyes and
even huger paws-he has 7 toes on his front feet and 6 on the backs. He can
snag a cat toy tossed at him like in mid-air like a baseball player and can
even pick up things using the extra toes like fingers. I cannot believe this
is happening again. We have begun Procrit, iron supplement and Doxy for the
sneezing/cold thing he has going on-his lungs are clear, but a little
wheezing in his throat area. Wish us luck-I am so sad right now and keep
tearing up. I can't take much more of this disease, so much loss for all of
us.  Alice and Glenn (humans), Rosie and Murphy-furkids
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sharmell, Colin and Holden Please add to the CLS :( :( :(

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

So sorry, Sherry. Thank you for the little descriptions you always provide
for these babies. They all deserve a line or two to honor their little
personalities. It's so good that you and the others at Sids got to know,
appreciate and love them in their brief lives.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:48 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Sharmell,Colin and Holden Please add to the CLS :( :( :(

A very  very sad week for us at Sids.Sharmell we lost July 20 and Colin and
Holden we lost today. Very heartbreaking for us volunteers,but even more so
for our wonderful Dr. Jen.She puts her heart in soul into these wonderful
babies,and then we get to love them and take care of them and let them into
our hearts.So every one of them that leaves us takes a piece of my heart
with them.Colin was one of my favorites,he was a very shy boy when he came
to us just over 2 years ago.I won him over with the imfamous Temptations
treats.I love you my sweet beautiful Colin.
Sharmell was a feisty black beauty,she spoke her mind and we listened. :)
Holden wasa very handsome tiger boy who toughed it out in many ways.He had
awful mouth issues but he ALWAYS stayed a sweet boy.
I LOVE YOU and will miss you all very much  :( Thanks all for being here for
me to talk to.
Sherry


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Re: [Felvtalk] Bugsy Please add the the CLS :(

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Sorry, Sherry. May Bugsy once again be the big boy again at the Bridge.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 7:07 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Bugsy Please add the the CLS :(

My heart is heavy yet once again.Bugsy (Bugaboo) lost his battle today.He
was at the Sids sanctuary back when I started in 2005.He was a sweet quiet
big black boy.But in the last few months he started to decline and was not
so quite the big boy.But he had a BIG BOY appetite.Just last night I fed him
almost 2 cans of friskies and some baby food.We sure did spoil him his last
days with us.I will miss you my Bugaboo,so happy I got to tell him I loved
him last night before I left.
Sherry


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Re: [Felvtalk] Please light a candle for Taj

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

I'm so sorry, Sara. So very young. Gentlest of Bridge vibes to Taj, and
hopes for a long life to Rani.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sara Kasteleyn
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 5:23 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Please light a candle for Taj

Dear friends,

I had hoped to avoid writing this note for a very, very long time.  Our
blue-eyed bengal boy Taj is napping at the bridge this afternoon.  He
developed breathing trouble over the weekend, and today we discovered that
he had a massive tumor pressing into his lungs.  Heroic measures to extend
his life would have been selfish, and given the underlying FeLV+ diagnosis,
unlikely to have improved his quality of life.  He was a brave boy, hiding
his discomfort from us for so long.   He lived a very short life, only 14
months, but he was loved and pampered in the extreme.  

His sister, Rani, shares the FeLV+ diagnosis.  We pray she will be with us
much longer.  My thanks to each of you for your fabulous advice and
willingness to share what you have learned along this difficult and often
sad path.

Sara

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Re: [Felvtalk] Dante has passed over the Rainbow Bridge

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Beth, I'm so sorry Dante passed before you could get to know each other
better. I know he knows he was loved. As for being ready, I think you'll
probably find that you are when you need to be.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 4:25 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Dante has passed over the Rainbow Bridge

My FeLV foster kitty Dante passed over the Rainbow Bridge today. I only had
him a few months, but loved him dearly. He preferred human company over
kitty company, but was tolerant of the other kitties. He was a beautiful
grey boy pulled from Animal Control by the rescue I work with. It will be a
long time before I stop expecting to see him in his bed.
He went downhill fast the last 2 weeks. The X-rays done yesterday indicated
he was full of tumors. Luckily he had the lady who originally pulled him
from AC to be there with him. Our group never lets animals be euthanized
without someone from the shelter being there, for which I am very grateful.
It looks like I will be getting a new FeLV kitty from a friend tonight. Not
sure I'm ready.

Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Ellie to CLS :(

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Kathi, I'm so sorry you lost Ellie. Gentle Bridge vibes to your beautiful
girl. Don't be hard on yourself. We have all second-guessed ourselves at
some point, and it's really a futile and sad exercise. Hugs.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathi Clark
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 1:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Ellie to CLS :(





I had to put my Ellie down this morning.  She was only 4 years old and
developed symptoms on Memorial Day and lasted only 4 days.  A tumor in her
chest was leaking fluid and squeezing her lungs.  I couldn't watch her
suffer any longer so I had her put down this morning.  She was a little love
and purred and looked lovingly at me, even at the end.  What we could learn
from these creatures could fill volumes.  They are so forgiving and don't
ask questions.  They just live for the moment and, therefore, don't miss the
moment like we time-crazed humans do.  I will remember her always.  She was
a beautifully marked little girl with gray and black swirls on her body and
white around her mouth and chin and a butterscotch nose.  I am feeling such
guilt, though, that I didn't resort to any treatment whatsoever.  My vet
never suggested it but I should have looked into it myself..

 

Kathi

  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rainbow Bridge: Athena

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Beth, I am so sorry you lost your little girl. Gentle Bridge vibes to her,
and hopes that Ajax has a long, healthy life.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Gouldin
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:51 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Rainbow Bridge: Athena

Athena, our almost 3 year old buff manx, lost her battle with
lymphosarcoma/FeLV today around 5:30pm.
She went peacefully and isn't in pain anymore. She will be missed dearly.
RIP sweet girl

Thank you for all of your support - we're still holding out for Ajax, our
almost 3 years old FeLV+ but happy/healthy siamese boy.

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God Bless!!!
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Re: [Felvtalk] needing support

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Julie, you've gotten some great advice here already, but just one more thing
I don't think anyone has mentioned at length: your boy is asymptomatic now,
and that's great. But as has been mentioned, he is more liable to pick up
opportunistic infections and the like, and they may be likely to hit him
harder than they would a negative cat. Since stress and poor nutrition make
basically every living thing more vulnerable, the best thing you can do for
him is get him the best foods and the most stress-free circumstances you
can, and that comes back to the issue of separating them. I don't think that
is at all the way to go, since they are so fond of each other that
separating them would be a major stressor for him. I think that separating
them now won't keep her from getting infected -- I think if she were going
to, the time they've spent together already would have made it happen. 

Good luck with your babies, and wishes that they both stay healthy
indefiinitely.

Diane

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Julie Dalesio
Gladnick
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 11:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] needing support

Hi Tad-

Thank you so much for your supportive words.  I am so sorry to hear about
your girl kitty, but it certainly does bring some perspective and reality.
I think I will take your advice and let them be together at least until the
second test; they are so much happier.  I guess my hesitancy is that I don't
think I could deal if they both were positive.  Then again, I never imagined
dealing with either of them facing this.  Do anyone have any info on
pregnant woman or babies and FeLV cats?  I've obviously read that they
should not be together, but does anyone have actual experience?  I've been
finding that a lot of info online tends to be pretty negative.

Thanks again, I feel truly grateful.

On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Tad Burnett
tadburn...@vermontel.netwrote:

 Hi Julie
  You have come to the right place... We all have a similar story to
tell...
 Your story is exactly like mine.. Two black and white tux kittens.. 
 Boy was pos and girl was neg... I didn't have room to separate them 
 and the vet advised that she surely she had been exposed and she might 
 be one of the few that have a strong natural immunity or else she 
 wouldgo pos at some time later...
 Anyway
 she got vaccinated but not separated
  The 2 were very close and played together all the time.. I remember 
 thinking how sad it was going to be when the pos one got sick and 
 passed on leaving her
 As fate would have it the neg one stopped eating one evening after 
 only a month...
 Took her to the vet 1st thing in the morning and she got some 
 emergenct treatment but she died while still at the vets in the middle 
 of the morning
  The vet said it was FIP... The point is there are many things that 
 can take a cat early... My pos boy lived on for seven years... During 
 his life I got hms several other pos kitties and most of the he out 
 lived too...
  There is also a good chance that the 1st test is a false pos... Do 
 get that 2nd test and we will all hope for the best...
  If it were me I would let the stay together... Keep them happy and no 
 stress...
 Feed them a good quality food and have a vet that approves of keeping 
 a pos kitty and will give you an appointment in very short time if you 
 think something is wrong..
 They may have a weak immune system and need antibiotics quickly...
  FeLV+ kitties seem to know that you are taking special care of them 
 and are extra loving in return

 Tad



 Julie Dalesio Gladnick wrote:

  Hi there-

 I don't know if this is the right place, but I am hoping for some 
 feedback.
 I recently adopted two kittens, a brother and sister.  At 7 weeks, I 
 had them tested for FeLV.  The boy kitty is positive but the girl 
 kitty is negative.  Is that even possible?  They have been living 
 together for 7 weeks; wouldn't she be positive if he was at this 
 point?  I am taking them both in tomorrow so he can be re-tested with the
IFA and she can be
 vaccinated.  I am absolutely devastated.   I am in love with both of
these
 kitties and am looking for some hope.  My boy kitty is active and 
 playful, though he has had a little diarrhea today and is eating a little
less.
  I'm
 totally freaked out.  I am keeping the two apart, which is also 
 killing me, because they are such a comfort for each other.  Does 
 anyone know what my odds are for his second test being negative?  Is 
 is weird that she's negative?  If he is positive, do I have to keep 
 them apart forever?  If we have a baby and he is positive, do we have 
 to get rid of him?  I can't even bare thinking of all of this, as he 
 snuggles on my tummy purring while I type.  Any advice, support, 
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[Felvtalk] new to the list and to FeLV (litter eating)

[Diane]

 Hello

I've just joined your list and have what might be an odd, maybe even really 
odd, question.  I looked through the archives a bit but couldn't find a similar 
thread, so I apologize if there has been and I missed it.

I work for a program that provides support (food pantry, vet vouchers, pet 
wellness clinics, education and in-home care) to folks living with HIV and AIDS 
to allow them to keep their pets at home with them when the financial and 
physical constraints of their illness might not otherwise allow them to.  A 
number of our people have FeLV and FIV+ cats and while I'm somewhat familiar 
with FIV, having a FIV+ cat myself, I know nothing about FeLV and I'd like to 
learn from the list how to help my members better care for their + cats.  

I received a call from a client who is concerned about her FeLV cat - Precious 
has been somewhat more lethargic than usual but, most disturbingly to my client 
is that she has started, out of the blue, to eat cat litter.  She wonders if 
this is something that FeLV cats do when there is a specific issue going on - 
is she looking for nutrients she isn't getting?  Is she trying to calm some GI, 
oral, other upset?

My first thought with positive cats is to bring them to the vet, but, in this 
case, my client does not have the resources personally and she has exhausted 
her benefits through our program.  I am working all the places I can think of 
to try to find her some financial support ultimately, but in the meantime, I 
wonder if nayone out there has seen this sort of behavior and what it might 
mean?

Thanks for any thoughts you might have.

Best,

d

 

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[Felvtalk] Stanley and Interferon Question

[Diane Tyler]

Hello again,

Stanley has suddenly taken a turn for the worse. In the last two weeks, he
has gotten very lethargic and not eaten well. We've taken two sets of
x-rays: the first showed all his organs well, then the second two weeks
later his organs weren't even visible because of all the fluid buildup in
his belly. We have him on buprenorphine, prednisolone, and appetite
stimulant. He doesn't have anemia yet and has a low grade fever of 103.. He
is responding to the medication as well as could be expected, I suppose. The
fluid in his belly has also seemed to stabilize a bit since he had the last
xray this past Monday. He actually does eat some--he likes his treats and
I'm going to make him the liver shake to see if he'll eat that.

I have a few questions I'd like to get some opinions on. I have some alpha
interferon and was wondering if it was too late to try some of that and, if
so, what dosage should I give him? The second is should I have the fluid
removed from his belly? I think he'd be more comfortable, although I'm sure
the procedure is probably painful. Can he be anesthesized for that procedure
and is it worth putting him through the pain?

Thanks for some opinions.

Diane

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Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm

[Diane Tyler]

I've had lots of success using Program for ringworm. I've used it twice:
this year and several years ago for groups of four or more cats. The dosage
suggestions can be found at this website:

http://www.vetinfo.com/cringwrm.html

I know lots of people might not agree that this is an effective treatment,
but again, it has worked for me and is certainly a lot less stressful than
bathing or dipping.

Good luck!

Diane

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.comwrote:

 just wondering if anyone had a FeLV baby with ringworm?  Whimsy is not
 inside yet, but has started to yank his own fur out - he's got a few red
 spots suddenly that look similiar to scraped knees in people.  I'm planning
 on doing a skin scrape per my vet's instructions but I'm concerned if a) the
 test takes time to send to a lab is ok to bring him in? b) I won't be able
 to bathe him / nor do the sulfar dips, so it would have to be oral meds c)
 can I treat him while he's outside for this?

 I can't risk our whole household being infected especially with two other
 immune supressed kitties.

 ugh, this throws a curve ball into the plan.  This just started about 1 wk
 ago with lesions appearing about 3 days ago.  I was hoping to get him back
 to the vet and inside over the next week.

 Thanks so much, these posts are so helpful and interesting.
 Shannon

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Re: [Felvtalk] please remove my name

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

(Sigh.) Sharon, please remove yourself by clicking the link at the bottom of
this email (it's on every email you have gotten from the list), scroll to
the bottom of the page and type in your email address. You will be
instructed how to unsubscribe.

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I WANT OFF THIS MAILING LIST Please remove my name. 

Thank you,
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[Felvtalk] Stanley and Muscular Atrophy

[Diane Tyler]

Hello everyone,

I've been watching this for over a year, but this is the first time I'm
contacting you-all.

I rescued Stanley (and two of his dumped buddies) about a year and a half
ago and, unfortunately, he was diagnosed with FeLV. All the cats were
estimated to be about a year old at that time. Late last summer Stanley went
through six weeks of LTCI treatment. He has also always been in excellent,
robust health since I found him and fattened him up.
This past weekend we noticed that he wasn't his usual self and he couldn't
jump up on anyone's lap without a lot of trouble so he went to the vet's
this morning. The vet said he has muscular atrophy in his hind legs. We did
an X-ray which showed no signs of tumors and his white blood cell count was
normal. I also noticed his eyes don't look right.

I'm just wondering if anyone else has seen these symptoms and how they dealt
with them? I want to make him as comfortable as I can because he probably
won't be regenerating any muscles. We're also thinking of continuing with
more LTCI injections.

Thanks for any help anyone has.

Diane

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stanley and Muscular Atrophy

[Diane Tyler]

Don't know his potassium, the vet just did a white blood cell count. Do you
think he might need more potassium?

On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.comwrote:

What is his potassium level?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sweet dreams little brother

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Gentle rest to Mozart, and hugs to those who love him.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jason Michael
Canon
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:46 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Sweet dreams little brother

At 7:45 tonight Mozart finally went to sleep.  Keep a light on for me little
brother.

Love always,
Jason

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bitzer Please add to the CLS :(

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Gentlest of Bridge vibes to messy little Bitzer. Hugs to all at Sids. 

Diane R.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:34 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Bitzer Please add to the CLS :(

What can I say about silly slimy yes slimy Bitzer.When he came to us at Sids
he had a clef palate.And boy was he MESSY when he ate,we had to bathe him
after his meals.Well Dr. Jen fixed his palate but it just wasnt enough,his
little body was shutting down from the virus.He will be miss slime and
all.Bye bye sweet Bitzer baby.
Sherry


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Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridge list - SnuggleBunny and Calico

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Wow, what a sad couple of months for you and Susan! Gentlest of bridge vibes
to Oliver, Tillie, Violet, Toby, SnuggleBunny and Calico. I'm sure they're
all at the Bridge glad to see some familiar faces but missing their moms.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridge list - SnuggleBunny and Calico

Some for the Bridge List - Susan, a rescuer here in Little Rock, just lost 2
very dear FELV kitties during the last two weeks - first SnuggleBunny, then
Calico yesterday(Jan 9, 2010).

I lost some beloved kitties recently - Oliver, a 13-14 year old FELV from
Oklahoma that I've had for maybe 4 years, died in Dec 2009.  I also lost
some non-FELV kitties recently - Tillie (age 18, Oct 2009), Violet (FIV
adult kitty, Nov 2009), Toby (age 14, Dec 2009).

Thanks,

Gloria

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Re: [Felvtalk] Peta Kills Animals

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Me neither. I believe their goal is that animals should not be subjected to
the tyranny of human ownership, even though Fluffy and Fido are no more
capable of surviving running free than a goldfish (and when they do,
usually have about the same lifespan as one). PETA needs to go back about a
few million years in the evolutionary process and talk to the cavemen and
wolves who buddied up in the first place. 

I'm not saying that all their causes are bogus -- circuses are cruel, the
way we get our meat is unnecessarily brutal, and people should be concerned
about those animals too. But yes, they are deeply hypocritical in their
treatment of animals that have not run free since Man first picked up a
stick and threw it. They have lost sight of what animal welfare and animal
rights really mean.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Peta Kills Animals


Unfortunately, this does not come as any surprise to me

Debbie
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 Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:24:09 -0500
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Peta Kills Animals
 
 
 --
 
 PETA Killed 95 Percent of Adoptable Pets in its Care During
 2008
 
 
 --
 
 
 
 This is a rather disturbing story forwarded to me by a vet.
 
 
 
 Hypocritical Animal Rights Group's 2008 Disclosures Bring
 Pet Death Toll To 21,339
 
 
 
 WASHINGTON DC - Today the nonprofit Center for Consumer
 Freedom (CCF) published documents online showing that People
 for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) killed 95
 percent of the adoptable pets in its care during 2008.
 Despite years of public outrage over its euthanasia program,
 the animal rights group kills an average of 5.8 pets every
 day at its Norfolk, VA headquarters.
 
 
 
 According to public records from the Virginia Department of
 Agriculture and Consumer Services, PETA killed 2,124 pets
 last year and placed only seven in adoptive homes. Since
 1998, a total of 21,339 dogs and cats have died at the hands
 of PETA workers.
 
 
 
 Despite having a $32 million budget, PETA does not operate
 an adoption shelter. PETA employees make no discernible
 effort to find homes for the thousands of pets they kill
 every year. Last year, the Center for Consumer Freedom
 petitioned Virginia's State Veterinarian to reclassify PETA
 as a slaughterhouse.
 
 
 
 CCF Research Director David Martosko said: PETA hasn't
 slowed down its hypocritical killing machine one bit, but it
 keeps browbeating the rest of society with a phony 'animal
 rights' 
 
 message. What about the rights of the thousands of dogs,
 cats, puppies, and kittens that die in PETA's headquarters
 building?
 
 
 
 Martosko added: Since killing pets is A-OK with PETA, why
 should anyone listen to their demands about eating meat,
 using lab rats for medical research, or taking children to
 the circus?
 
 
 
 CCF obtained PETA's Animal Record filings since 1998 from
 the Virginia Department of Agriculture and Consumer
 Services. Members of the public can see these documents at
 PetaKillsAnimals.com.
 
 
 
 P.S. Completely disturbing, especially as this appears to be
 a factual story.
 
 
 
 PETA does a TON of marketing and spends untold sums on
 glossy campaigns...perhaps they could spend SOME on Well run
 and well funded animal shelters.
 
 
 
 My advice: Support your local SPCA, Humane Society or Animal
 Shelter ..Do not support PETA
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Knickers PLease add to the CLS :(

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

I'm glad Knickers had a great home with Julie. Condolences to her and to all
of you, and gentle Bridge vibes to your sweet little guy.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:38 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Knickers PLease add to the CLS :(

Another great Sids kid left us today. Knickers was a sweet boy that was
lucky enough to have a loving furever home for the last 2 years with Julie
one of our most dedicated volunteers.He will be missed greatly.
Sherry
 
 


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] gassy cat

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

It could even just be that Harley swallows a lot of air with his food. Not
sure how to deal with that...

Diane R. 

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] gassy cat

Try giving him probiotics.  They help with the gas.  I've had that problem
with young cats who have come in from the pine thicket.  No idea why though
unless there is a food allergy.  In my cats' cases it may be the change of
food and the (new) regularity of food.
On Dec 12, 2009, at 7:43 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 Harley is sleeping in my arm as i write, passing gas big time.  he has 
 done this before and you can smell it all the way across the room.  
 any suggestions as to why?  is he eating too fast?  gets same food as 
 Dee, Hill's kitten healthy development.  Lord have mercy, i love him, 
 but!  dorlis

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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

We are so grateful that our one cat who needs meds, Luc, is very
mild-mannered. We can drop a pill down his throat with no trouble. In
contrast, we are hoping that one of our other cats, Tribble, never gets
sick. He has been a hellion since the day he was born (we suspect his brain
consists of noodles and ninja stars) and will turn a cuddling session into
carnage at a split second's notice. We tell him, You better never need
life-saving pills, cuz, Dude, if you do...it was nice knowing you. (I
suspect that if he ever does need meds we'll be praying for a transdermal
option.) On the other hand, we've had to assist-feed Luc here and there and
he is not a happy camper and has lots and lots and lots of claws. 

Diane R.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:58 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

Welcome to the world of cats-pilling, putting into a carrier for vet trip,
getting a cat to eat when they're not in the mood-those are the times you
realize that they're a lot smarter  more determined then we humans are!
Pilling a cat is an art that most cats seem to be determined for us not to
learn-LOL.  You can try a compounding pharmacy that will mix up the meds
into what they say is a pleasant tasting treat-never worked for me.  Pill
pockets are great -if your cat likes them.  Sneaking a pill in between a
couple of soft treats works for a while but they catch on and then will just
look at you as you make weird kitty sounds thinking that will help.  S,
do not feel you are alone.  I suspect each of us has had at least one cat
for whom pilling was a nightmare.  

 

I THINK doxy is that foul tasting drug-but not sure.  Try sneaking small
pieces of a pill in any kind of delectable people food the kitty likes-ham,
turkey, tuna, cheese, anything at all but you have to keep changing it cause
the cat will catch on after a  couple of times.  

 

Christiane Biagi

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bugrahan Yalvac
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:55 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

 

Doxycycline 100 MG and Prednisone 5 MG are the pills.

 

He is infected by mycoplasma haemofelis.

 

It looks all so easy to give cats oral medication on the net but those

cats are all healty, relaxed, and happy cats who swallow the pills.

Mine is doing everything not to swallow anything.

 

Should I take him to the vet again? Am I the only one who cannot

manage to medicate a cat orally?

 

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:

 What are the pills?

 

 Gary

 

 Bugrahan Yalvac wrote:

 

 Hi, All,

 

 I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week ago

 he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the 
 vet

 and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and antibiotics

 and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. He

 was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. However

 for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two times to

 med him through his mount, it didn't work at all.

 

 Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat?

 

 Thanks,

 Bugra

 

 

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Will Feral, thank you Diane

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

It sounds like he had a great last day, and a good passing. Gentlest of
Bridge vibes to Will.

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Noren
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Will Feral, thank you Diane

Thank you Diane.  He had a nice last day, ate a little, begged for a piece
of bread crust from my sandwich, batted it around a couple of times and then
fetched it and dropped it at my feet so I would throw it.  Sat with his
brothers and sisters while they played with a string my mom dangled at them.
 He was so good I started panicking that it wasn't time, but once his little
bit of energy was used up he lay back down on the steps and was breathing
heavy, lots of side movement and seemed uncomfortable.  I decided to keep
our afternoon appointment.  They left us alone for a few minutes in the exam
room, I had his favorite nursing blanket on my lap, but he was nervous and
wanted to jump down.  I put my arm under the blanket and  bunched it up into
a little mound under his front paws, he lay right down, stretched his arms
right out with all his toes extended and kneading away, and stated suckling
face down in the material.  It was like he was doing all his favorite things
one last time to please me...When he was done the vet came in, we layed his
blanket on the table, it was a very peaceful passing.  His stuck his little
tongue out at us as he passed, which seemed kind of appropriate.  I am so
grateful for all the kind people on this list who gave me such good advice
when he was a kitten, I am going to stay a member.

Thank you to everyone for your help and support over the past few years, and
hugs to your furbabies, Beth, Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter, and Angel Will
Feral

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt
drosenfe...@wi.rr.comwrote:

 Beth, I remember Will, and I'm so sorry he had to go to the Bridge. 
 Hugs to you.

 Diane R.

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 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Noren
 Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:09 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Multi Cat House Protocol

 Hi, I'm not sure if you got a reply as my computer has been down for 
 quite some time.  I tested everyone Elisa and IFA initially, did a 
 follow-up IFA several months later, and vaccinated the negatives.  My 
 plan was only to retest if a negative became sick, and this was 
 supported by my vet.  The chance that a healthy, adult, vaccinated 
 negative will pick up the disease is small, so I felt the funds were 
 better spent on other problems (2 of my negs have severe allergies).  
 I haven't told the list yet, as I just got functioning Internet 
 service again today , but I had to help my sweet positive boy leave 
 this world on November 13th.  I haven't been active on the list for some
time now, but some folks here may remember Will Feral.
  Lymphoma finally got him, after 3.5 active, happy years.  He is so 
 terribly missed.  I plan to test my 4 negatives as soon as finances 
 permit, so that I can comfortably discontinue vaccinating them for 
 FeLV.

 Best wishes,
 Beth

 On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Maria Ianiro mian...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hello -
 
  For those of you with multi-cat households, I was wondering what 
  your vet has recommended in terms of re-testing for FELV in the 
  negative cat.
 
  I have 1 positive and 1 negative that have been living together for 
  over a year now.  I have been advised to re-test the negative cat 
  once a year for FELV and give the negative cat the FELV combo shot 
  once a year.
 
  Thank you
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Tribble has been a real learning experience, and there have been many times
we've thought how much easier it would be for the other cats if he weren't
in the mix, because he's often an aggressive little bully. But we would no
sooner part with him than our own noses, and once you understand him he can
be endearing (as long as you don't look away and miss the nanosecond when
your skritches become annoying...)

Diane R. 

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries


OMG, the exact words I said to my Baby Ruben..glad I'm not the only one who
has had a hellion!  But, my oh my, how he owned my heart!!

Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo


 
 From: drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:37:00 -0600
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 We are so grateful that our one cat who needs meds, Luc, is very 
 mild-mannered. We can drop a pill down his throat with no trouble. In 
 contrast, we are hoping that one of our other cats, Tribble, never 
 gets sick. He has been a hellion since the day he was born (we suspect 
 his brain consists of noodles and ninja stars) and will turn a 
 cuddling session into carnage at a split second's notice. We tell him, 
 You better never need life-saving pills, cuz, Dude, if you do...it 
 was nice knowing you. (I suspect that if he ever does need meds we'll 
 be praying for a transdermal
 option.) On the other hand, we've had to assist-feed Luc here and 
 there and he is not a happy camper and has lots and lots and lots of
claws.
 
 Diane R.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Chris
 Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:58 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 Welcome to the world of cats-pilling, putting into a carrier for vet 
 trip, getting a cat to eat when they're not in the mood-those are the 
 times you realize that they're a lot smarter  more determined then we
humans are!
 Pilling a cat is an art that most cats seem to be determined for us 
 not to learn-LOL. You can try a compounding pharmacy that will mix up 
 the meds into what they say is a pleasant tasting treat-never worked 
 for me. Pill pockets are great -if your cat likes them. Sneaking a 
 pill in between a couple of soft treats works for a while but they 
 catch on and then will just look at you as you make weird kitty sounds 
 thinking that will help. S, do not feel you are alone. I suspect 
 each of us has had at least one cat for whom pilling was a nightmare.
 
 
 
 I THINK doxy is that foul tasting drug-but not sure. Try sneaking 
 small pieces of a pill in any kind of delectable people food the kitty 
 likes-ham, turkey, tuna, cheese, anything at all but you have to keep 
 changing it cause the cat will catch on after a couple of times.
 
 
 
 Christiane Biagi
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bugrahan 
 Yalvac
 Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:55 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 
 
 Doxycycline 100 MG and Prednisone 5 MG are the pills.
 
 
 
 He is infected by mycoplasma haemofelis.
 
 
 
 It looks all so easy to give cats oral medication on the net but those
 
 cats are all healty, relaxed, and happy cats who swallow the pills.
 
 Mine is doing everything not to swallow anything.
 
 
 
 Should I take him to the vet again? Am I the only one who cannot
 
 manage to medicate a cat orally?
 
 
 
 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:
 
  What are the pills?
 
  
 
  Gary
 
  
 
  Bugrahan Yalvac wrote:
 
  
 
  Hi, All,
 
  
 
  I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week 
  ago
 
  he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the 
  vet
 
  and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and 
  antibiotics
 
  and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. 
  He
 
  was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. 
  However
 
  for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two times 
  to
 
  med him through his mount, it didn't work at all.
 
  
 
  Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat?
 
  
 
  Thanks,
 
  Bugra
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
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