Re: [Felvtalk] Holistic vet visit today
Wonderful, Kelley, glad to hear the good news, and great price. Wish she was closer to me. Gloria in Arkansas On Mar 19, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Kelley wrote: Hi everyone, Coco and I had our first visit to the holistic vet today. I was very excited. It was very different from a traditional vet visit. No exam tables - just cushions on the floor. She gave coco a very thorough exam with plenty of time for questions. She recommends against any further vaccinations (coco has had fvrcp and rabies vaccines) and will write me a waiver for future rabies exams. She recommends a raw diet and supplementation with feline immune system support tablets by standard process. Total bill today was $55.92 including the exam and supplement. I got discounts of $15 for the exam and $2.30 for the supplement. So far we have been donated $45 so that comes close to covering all of it If you live on the gulf coast I highly recommend her. Www.creatingwellbeings.com I will be posting pics on their website later Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional vets for felv
What rescue group? On Mar 15, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Kelley wrote: Alabama Sent from my iPhone On Mar 15, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Jennifer Lewis blonded...@mac.com wrote: Go for it. I've already shared them there and will continue to do so. Where are you, Kelley? There may be some additional options for assistance... On Mar 15, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: I think FB page for the kitties is a good idea. On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Kelley wrote: Yes that was just for whoever said the interest rate was low. It is not. But they do have a 6 month interest free option. Thanks to a donation I almost have enough to take one of them to the vet. It is 35 dollars for the holistic vet with a discount on Wednesdays. I'm feeling better since I got the donation and am thinking of making a Facebook page for the kitties - what do y'all think? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Good grief! 26% is beyond high. On Mar 15, 2014, at 12:47 PM, Kelley wrote: Just tried and was turned down which is what I figured. But I did try. Interest is 26% unless you pay it off in 6 months by the way. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2014, at 11:21 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: Have you looked into Care Credit? It's very low or no interest and is only for vet and medical expenses. Some vets take it. Not that I think a visit to a holistic vet is necessarily necessary. People have had mixed experiences with them. I had 6 FeLV+ cats. One, who was also FIV+, lived to about 9 years old. Most of the others lived to about 5. One died at 18 months. You definitely need to take as good care of them as possible, get problems treated quickly, and try to keep their lives stress-free, but beyond that I think, to some extent, that it is a crap shoot.. Michelle -Original Message- From: Kelley moonv...@gmail.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:54 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional vets for felv I'm actually going to have to cancel their appointment. Can't pay for it. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2014, at 8:48 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: My FeLeuk girl sees an integrative vet, who practices both holistic and traditional medicine. She gets bicom treatments from her, as well as various holistic medicines. She is stable and even gaining weight on this regimen. I think this is better care for her than she would get from a traditional vet. Just my experience... Chris C. -Original Message- From: Kelley Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 8:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional vets for felv What are your thoughts on this? Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional vets for felv
Good grief! 26% is beyond high. On Mar 15, 2014, at 12:47 PM, Kelley wrote: Just tried and was turned down which is what I figured. But I did try. Interest is 26% unless you pay it off in 6 months by the way. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2014, at 11:21 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: Have you looked into Care Credit? It's very low or no interest and is only for vet and medical expenses. Some vets take it. Not that I think a visit to a holistic vet is necessarily necessary. People have had mixed experiences with them. I had 6 FeLV+ cats. One, who was also FIV+, lived to about 9 years old. Most of the others lived to about 5. One died at 18 months. You definitely need to take as good care of them as possible, get problems treated quickly, and try to keep their lives stress-free, but beyond that I think, to some extent, that it is a crap shoot.. Michelle -Original Message- From: Kelley moonv...@gmail.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:54 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional vets for felv I'm actually going to have to cancel their appointment. Can't pay for it. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2014, at 8:48 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: My FeLeuk girl sees an integrative vet, who practices both holistic and traditional medicine. She gets bicom treatments from her, as well as various holistic medicines. She is stable and even gaining weight on this regimen. I think this is better care for her than she would get from a traditional vet. Just my experience... Chris C. -Original Message- From: Kelley Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 8:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional vets for felv What are your thoughts on this? Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional vets for felv
I think FB page for the kitties is a good idea. On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Kelley wrote: Yes that was just for whoever said the interest rate was low. It is not. But they do have a 6 month interest free option. Thanks to a donation I almost have enough to take one of them to the vet. It is 35 dollars for the holistic vet with a discount on Wednesdays. I'm feeling better since I got the donation and am thinking of making a Facebook page for the kitties - what do y'all think? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Good grief! 26% is beyond high. On Mar 15, 2014, at 12:47 PM, Kelley wrote: Just tried and was turned down which is what I figured. But I did try. Interest is 26% unless you pay it off in 6 months by the way. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2014, at 11:21 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: Have you looked into Care Credit? It's very low or no interest and is only for vet and medical expenses. Some vets take it. Not that I think a visit to a holistic vet is necessarily necessary. People have had mixed experiences with them. I had 6 FeLV+ cats. One, who was also FIV+, lived to about 9 years old. Most of the others lived to about 5. One died at 18 months. You definitely need to take as good care of them as possible, get problems treated quickly, and try to keep their lives stress-free, but beyond that I think, to some extent, that it is a crap shoot.. Michelle -Original Message- From: Kelley moonv...@gmail.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:54 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional vets for felv I'm actually going to have to cancel their appointment. Can't pay for it. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2014, at 8:48 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: My FeLeuk girl sees an integrative vet, who practices both holistic and traditional medicine. She gets bicom treatments from her, as well as various holistic medicines. She is stable and even gaining weight on this regimen. I think this is better care for her than she would get from a traditional vet. Just my experience... Chris C. -Original Message- From: Kelley Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 8:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional vets for felv What are your thoughts on this? Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear
Thinking of you Michelle, and sending healing thoughts and prayers for Bear! Gloria On Dec 24, 2013, at 6:15 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: Turns out it does not look like FIP, looks like hemolytic anemia, where he is killing off his own red blood cells, and the vet simply did not keep him on a high enough dose of immune-suppressants so he crashed again. Now he is really bad. I don't know what his chances are at this point, but I do not think they are good, though the vets say he can turn around. He just got a transfusion and they are starting him on cyclosporine, a stronger immune suppressant. And doxycycline. Please send him prayers. He is FIV+, not FeLV+, though he has had as many issues as my FeLV cats did. I got back on this list looking for feline interferon, which I don't need, but one thing I know this list is good for is prayers. Please pray it's a good Christmas for Bear and he responds well to the transfusion and the cyclosporine. thank you, Michelle ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ringworm.
Hey nice to know about Gary - On Dec 21, 2013, at 4:05 AM, gcru...@centurytel.net gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: I have always used the Walmart brand (Equate) cream for foot fungus and it has worked very well. Not messy and doesn’t smell bad and is cheap. Gary From: Margo Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ringworm. LymDyp. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Uneven pupils
Probably Clindamycin... I always keep it around. On Dec 21, 2013, at 12:12 PM, trustinhi...@charter.net wrote: I gave my Pookie Clin Drops (short for clin...something). Very economical. Works well for infections that are in the mouth or tissues. Very economical. I also took him for acupuncture. Carolyn On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Jennifer Lewis wrote: Hi all, Off topic or a new one. My poor Bryyn is having an awful time. Does anyone have experience with severe mouth pain? I've been told by vets that she's too young for stomatitis, but she's having a horrific time. My vet prescribed prednisone, but not only does it not seem to help, we're leery of it for the long term and honestly can't afford it. It seemed to be mostly jaw/lymph related as she would freak when yawning, but it's getting worse and I'm beside myself. She also has awful breath which makes me think as well it may be stomatitis. Please help! Jen On Dec 20, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Lorrie wrote: One of my cats has uneven pupils, but he is not FelV positive. He was hit on the head by some low life bastard before I rescued him. Lorrie On 12-20, gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: The only ones I've had with uneven pupils are Felv cats, and then only a couple. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Uneven pupils
I have 2-3 methods I use 1) I started out giving a depomedrol injection periodically (once every 4-6 weeks or as needed). Seems like it's 1/2 cc depo. 2) Then someone suggested oral dexamethasone - so I give about 1/2 cc Dex orally, and it lasts a few days. Sometimes though they're quite resistant to having something squirted in the mouth. 3) the most recent option Ive tried is Zyrtec. I buy Zyrtec at the grocery store or pharmacy. Also got a pill cutter and cut the Zyrtec in half. I put the half zyrtec in wet food once a day. You may need to crush it at first. I've started doing the last two together in some cases. Have found the Zyrtec very helpful for some runny noses too. But to start out, with a difficult cat, I do Depo for about a month and see how that works and if I can switch to Dex. If you google these options you can find out more, of course. Gloria On Dec 21, 2013, at 12:29 AM, Jennifer Lewis wrote: Hi all, Off topic or a new one. My poor Bryyn is having an awful time. Does anyone have experience with severe mouth pain? I've been told by vets that she's too young for stomatitis, but she's having a horrific time. My vet prescribed prednisone, but not only does it not seem to help, we're leery of it for the long term and honestly can't afford it. It seemed to be mostly jaw/lymph related as she would freak when yawning, but it's getting worse and I'm beside myself. She also has awful breath which makes me think as well it may be stomatitis. Please help! Jen On Dec 20, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Lorrie wrote: One of my cats has uneven pupils, but he is not FelV positive. He was hit on the head by some low life bastard before I rescued him. Lorrie On 12-20, gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: The only ones I've had with uneven pupils are Felv cats, and then only a couple. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
I think it's safe to put coconut oil on kitty skin - a friend swears by it, uses for ringworm on cats. I usually use Golden Seal, but found the following re coconut oil: http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/pets-and-coconut-oil-an-experiment-with-two-cats/ Gloria On Dec 19, 2013, at 12:04 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: From all the things I have read, no oils are safe for cats. I use eucalyptus for my sinus and lavender to help me sleep, but make sure the cats do not get too close when I do. Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: I researched it before and read no on oregano oil. The phenols in essential oils can not be processed by the feline liver. Lym dyp is safe and effective. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2013, at 10:08 PM, KG BarnCats kgbarnc...@gmail.com wrote: Can oregano oil be used on cats? A friend has two kittens with awful ringworm. So far Program and Vetericyn haven't done much. (Gave her some Vibactra Plus tonite to try boosting the kittens' immune system.) On Tuesday, December 17, 2013, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I'm actually more into natural and homeopathic then conventional medicine. Sent from my absolutely outstanding iphone(: On Dec 17, 2013, at 6:07 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Dec 17, 2013 12:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite I am leary of drs. who want to see/know about herbs, etc. as they might report you for practicing medicine without a license. Unless one is charging for services, simply suggesting or selling a legal product probably presents no legal issue. I've had mixed results with alternative therapies, but don't hesitate to try them, after considerable research. It's probably best to tell your Allopath about anything you're taking, no matter how safe, as some herbal remedies and products can significantly affect physiology. Which means they work :) All the best, Margo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite
Just had to add my 2 cents. Lance, I always prefer Augmentin, and it's always worked well for me. I usually clean the bite with cold water and hydrogen peroxide, and if I see the red lines creeping up my hand and arm, I head for the doctor (started to say vet) and get some Augmentin. One tried to give me something else, I forget what, but it irritated my sensitive tummy and I went back for Augmentin. Fortunately haven't had a bite in a long time :) Glad yours is doing well. Gloria On Dec 14, 2013, at 7:56 PM, Christiane Biagi wrote: Listen, I had one cat, the late great Little Boy, who bit me twice over the years and each time I had to spend the night in the hospital for iv antibiotics. Thing is some cats have this bacteria in their mouth (Pasteurella multocida) and he was one of them. If that bacteria gets into your bloodstream, it can quickly lead to sepsis. He was the only cat I had who had that bugger and he was sweet as pie but a bite was a bad thing. Look for a red line going u your arm...if you start seeing it--go to eroom as you want to stop infection from hitting lymph nodes and causing sepsis. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 7:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite Hi everyone, During play, one of our cats bit me earlier today. I tried to get to an urgent care clinic, but they decided to stop seeing people at 4:30 pm. despite listing hours as 9-5. Real nice. ;-) Anyway, I'm wondering how worried I should be. A lovely pic of the bite can be seen here: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s201/sh/fc76bb30-31ff-40ed-80b1-4f499d5461e4/ 4adec821f3519913f482848c4c5f730b It seems much more superficial and scratchy rather than being a deep puncture wound, and FYI, you're looking at my right arm about two inches above my elbow. We have doxycycline in the house, but the last time I was bitten, I took augmentin. Would prefer to do that, but I'm out of luck for the night, unless I feel like a high-costing trip to the ER (I'm currently inusrance-less, as luck would have it). Has anyone used doxy for cat bites? What symptoms around the bite should I be looking for that indicate its seriousness? I can get in to the urgent clinic tomorrow morning at 9, and the bite happened this afternoon at 3:45. Hopefully that gives me a little time. I know that none of you are MDs (well, I don't know that for sure), but would appreciate input. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] need home for FELV cat in Ft. Smith, Arkansas
BTW, Lance - I forwarded her the info on the Iowa locations. Also found the Missouri sanctuary I used once before and sent that. Haven't heard from her in a few days so think I'll check in. Thanks! Gloria On Nov 9, 2013, at 3:39 PM, gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Ok thanks Lance- I'll talk w her daughter and give her your email. The mom may prefer phone , I'll see. I appreciate it! Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I’m in Fort Smith, but I can’t take anyone in right now. I’ll do some checking with my limited contacts and see if I come up with an option. If the woman would like to talk to an FeLV+ owner, I’d be happy to email or call. On Nov 9, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: A friend's mother has taken in an FELV cat in Ft Smith, Arkansas. They found out when she was on the table being spayed. Her daughter talked her out of euthanizing the kitty. I told her I'd help look for a home for this kitty. Lance, are you still in that area? I know there used to be a Missouri rescue, also, that took FELV cats, too. Thanks for any suggestions! Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] need home for FELV cat in Ft. Smith, Arkansas
A friend's mother has taken in an FELV cat in Ft Smith, Arkansas. They found out when she was on the table being spayed. Her daughter talked her out of euthanizing the kitty. I told her I'd help look for a home for this kitty. Lance, are you still in that area? I know there used to be a Missouri rescue, also, that took FELV cats, too. Thanks for any suggestions! Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
I'm on Digest version of this list, and it's not easy to reply... but I learned about Gentian Violet when I was a kid, and it worked great for ringworm - mine was on my hand. I've since used it on cats when appropriate and it worked. I generally use Golden Seal tincture (from the health food store, about $8), as it works well and isn't purple. But have used Malaseb shampoo and it worked well. I don't use Grisiofulvin since it's systemic, unless it's a bad case of ringworm - has a Persian like that so did use the Grisiofulvin. I read up on Advantage Multi a while back, and didn't like some of the reports of it - so I never use Advantage Multi. Cheers, Gloria From: Catherine Chang changic...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm Hi felv friends, I was away from emails for several days, so I am not sure whether bathing options has been mentioned in this thread about ringworm. If they been mentioned, please skip this email. If not, here they are: I know 2 shampoos can eliminate ringworm very effectively by just bathing the cat (or just his/her infected area) twice a week. 1. Malaseb shampoo: it contains 2% Miconazole which can treat ringworm very effectively. It is available on Amazon. 2. Nizoral Shampoo: it is a human dandruff shampoo made with Ketoconazole. The 1% version can be obtained in drug stores. Although taking Ketoconazole by mouth could make cat lethargy, such side effect is less seen when only using it by bathing as far as I know. There is also a pet version of 2% Ketoconazole shampoo, but you will need a prescription to get that. hope it helps. catherine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Good morning from South America :)
In my experience, my kittens that have been born with FELV and kept the virus havent live much past 2-3 yrs of age. But sometimes their immune systems will throw the virus off and they'll test negative later. And my cats that have acquired FELV after birth can live a long time, and when be tested again (Elisa or IFA) can go negative. With mine, usually once they get sick (not a cold but really sick), they dont come out of it, they drift away and pass on. Their passing is usually easy. I don't think I've had many(if any) die of leukemia, usually other things like lymphoma. I vaccinate when new cats (not FELV) come into the house, generally not after that. I had one cat die several years ago, had tested negative when she came in, but when I had her necropsied after death she was positive for FELV. All the cats she was with tested negative. I have two FELV cats now, have had them maybe 4 years, and they've never been sick. BUT I only tested them once with the Elisa test, so need to test again and see if it shows positive or negative. There are also some subtypes of the FELV virus and that may play a role in how a cat does. I;ve used Interferon Alpha for immune stimulation, also Dr Belfield's Vitamin C, never used Interferon Omega. Have recently come across a new homeopathic treatment at http://www.pets4homeopathy.com/feline-leukemia-feline-aids-immune-system.html, which sounds very good and I ordered some - Best of Luck, Gloria in Arkansas From: Michele Fougeres atomicbetti...@hotmail.com Date: April 29, 2013 11:14:01 AM CDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Good morning from South America :) Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi everyone, I'm new to this group. My husband and I recently adopted a male cat; we named him Abelardo. We noticed he wasn't in very good shape, and that he was desperately looking for a home, so we rescued him. He's FeLV positive and also has anemia. He has low counts for red blood cells, hematocrit, hemoglobin and leukocytes. The test to determine if he was FeLV positive was an antigen test (Elisa). No one performs IFA's tests in Ecuador, my country of residence. The vet said that giving he’s a young cat and that he has been fighting with a urinary tract infection and showing progress, it’s possible that he will become a carrier and will be able to lead a normal life. My research on the internet indicates that after diagnosis, cats usually live for 3 or 4 more years. I asked the doctor about the chance of this being a false positive, but he said that with the antigen test the margin of error is very small. I’ve read about cats that fight the virus and are able to eliminate it from their organisms, later testing negative for FeLV. I don’t want to have false expectations, but I want to hang on to whatever hope there’s still out there for him. We've started him on a biostimulant therapy treatment that will last for 2 weeks with Yatren Caseína (an immune stimulant manufactured by Bayer, don’t know if it’s sold in the USA), which consists of Casein and Yatreinic Acid. This is supposed to help him increase his white blood cells. We are hoping this will boost his immune system. He has also been taking Isoprinosine and B complex with iron syrup for almost 2 weeks. I don’t know if my cat is receiving the best treatment or what should I do to increase the odds of him not having to suffer because of this terrible illness. I’m willing to buy medicine from another country if needed. The vet advised to test my other cat after 30 days to see how he's doing -I have a 9 year old cat who's in perfect health-. I'm concerned now as he shared the litter box and bowls with the FeLV positive cat for almost 48 hours, I didn't even think about this as a risk, and now I feel terribly guilty for placing my beloved pet in danger. If he isn't infected, then I should look into applying him the FeLV vaccine, which is not sold in Ecuador yet. I have to see if there are ways to purchase the vaccine in the US and have it sent to Ecuador through a merchant. I want to keep the FeLV positive cat with me, as chances are no one will want him or will take care of him the way he needs to. We have grown so fond of him, he’s such an adorable, loving cat. I thought about dividing my apartment so the sick cat will not have to remain confined in just one room. I can have the cats’ alternate spaces every week, after disinfecting everything properly with Clorox and not letting them share the same litter boxes or bowls. Do you think this will be a good idea? I'm desperate and I need all the information I can get, as you are all going through the same ordeal, sometimes with moments of happiness when we see even a little sign of improvement. It's comforting to be able to read about your experiences. Abelardo has his ups and downs, days when he only
Re: [Felvtalk] Is my kitten having his first FIV/FELV episode?
Hi Rashel, I think your kitty needs to see the vet asap. Can't tell of course, but he could have fluid in the abdominal area, or some other difficulty that really needs attention. Gloria - Original Message - From: Rashel Mereness To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 12:12 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Is my kitten having his first FIV/FELV episode? Hi - I'm new and have been reading the threads but I don't seen anything that addresses my situation. We have an 8 month old kitty that tested positive for FIV (or was it FELV?) at a young age, and we plan to get him retested. He has been healthy, playful and had a great appetite. A few weeks ago, however, he started eating less and less of his kibble, which we attributed to him wanting only the wet food we were giving to the dog. So we kept mixing a little into his kibble but he was eating less but was otherwise fine. Then we went away over the weekend and came back to find him very lethargic and breathing very heavy - not making a lot of noise with the breathing, but we can see his lungs expanding and contracting a great deal and very quickly. He won't eat, except he ate some of his favorite treats. We had someone (who he doesn't know) staying at our house Friday and then a person (who he knows) stopping in on Saturday and Sunday. They said he didn't eat much. No mucous, no sneezing. Sound like anything you have experienced? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT-Transportation Available
I mix my FELV's with my non-FELV's - have had no problem. Several on this list do. Also I have a friend who has 1 FELV and 1 non-FELV - she gives the FELV kitty oral interferon alpha, which is well known on this list. They're both 4-5 yrs old now, doing fine. FYI - Gloria On Nov 20, 2011, at 12:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org Date: November 19, 2011 12:36:26 PM CST To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT- Transportation Available Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org The woman trying to help the cat on Chincoteague Island sent me some additional information, so I thought I'd share it here. He only has 11 days to find a home, foster, or rescue. Please feel free to crosspost. Thanks, Cindy Here's the info she sent: There is a resident population of feral cats at Tom's Cove Campground. Some of the people living there put food out. Occasionally a cat is trapped and taken to an area vet. Storm showed up after Hurricane Irene. He was trapped and taken to the vet to get shaved down because he was badly matted and infested with fleas. At the vet's it was discovered he was already neutered. His ears were not notched and he has no microchip. Storm has not shown any aggression at all. He is fed separately, but the other cats don't bother him. He is not feral. I was asked if I would take him home with me when I visited in October. I took him to the local vet to be tested and that is when it was discovered that he is FeLV+. I have a 3yo female cat who is FeLV-. There is no way I could keep him separated from my cat. While the rest of the colony will survive the winter, it is doubtful if Storm would make it through the winter outside and without a regular source of food. The campground where he is now closes at the end of November. I honestly think he would make a wonderful pet. From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Date: November 19, 2011 4:08:53 PM CST To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question (Maureen) Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org On 11-17, Maureen Olvey wrote: I kind of have to vaccinate. I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and since I doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my others because I'm not planning on keeping them separated forever. Maybe I should but I don't have the set up for that. I hate over - vaccinating too but I think I have to in this case. I have to vaccinate for FelV too, and I simply hate to do it. However, I recently discovered that two of the cats in the shelter/sanctuary building I own are FelV pos. They have mixed with all the other cats there for years and none have had FelV vaccinations. Currently they are all healthy. These are not my 15 cats at home. They are all FelV neg and are never with my sanctuary cats. Anyway, I'd also like to know which of the FelV vaccinations are the best and least likely to cause VAS. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] retesting kittens
I'm a volunteer and foster for a local cat rescue, and I always wait and retest kittens when they test FELV positive. I don't deal with kittens that much anymore, and forget the time period for the wait, but somebody local has had some test positive and needs to know about retesting. Seems like it's a couple of months after they test positive, that you retest, but wanted to check. Anybody know? Thanks! Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] interferon alpha injected?
One of the vets here told someone with an FELV cat, that she could use interferon alpha as an injection. He didn't mention low dose ORAL interferon alpha. It's been my understanding that the interferon was absorbed in the back of the throat. Has anyone used interferon alpha as an injection rather than orally? Thanks, Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV
Same here. When I first got an FELV cat, I was paranoid. But that was in 2001. Many of us don't think it's as contagious as is presented. I've mixed mine with my others for several years, no problem. All mine are altered and sit around and eat and sleep. Some of what I've learned is1) they may live a long time, may not, 2) they're not that contagious, 3) double positives (FIV/FELV) don't live as long,4) If they're born with FELV they tend to die at 2.5-3 yrs old, 5) interferon and stuff like that are worth a try. Oh yeah, and always questions your vets advice :) Gloria On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:25 PM, CATHERINE DIDONNA wrote: The virus isn't airborne. it has to get into the bloodstream. I have a couple of FELV cats,but they r with my other cats. --- On Wed, 9/7/11, April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com wrote: From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 2:16 PM Hi Dot, This is all new to me too. I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a bedroom by herself. She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a sofa. Spicy has had no signs of the illness. So I didn't know she had it. I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week later. The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test done because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no idea. So for a week she was with my other cats. I just looked it up there are 6 stages of FELV. Spicy is in stage 5. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi April - I just read your mail. My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive. I have known since June when she had a fever. She has stabilized and is doing so well now. Very healthy and playful. She is a little squirt, i call her. I have been looking for a home for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them separated. She is so cute. i hated to just put her down so figured i would give it a shot to see if i could adopt her. Do you have other cats at home? How is your cat doing now? You said it's in her bone marrow. Are there different stages? I am not sure totally about the disease as this is the first cat I have ever had in 30 years that has the leukemia. So, it is all new to me also. Dot (freehold, NJ) From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Update Hi, A couple of weeks ago I posted about my cat Spicy who I had adopted from animal control unaware she hadn't been tested for FELV/FIV. I was questioning whether to get her a friend or not. Last week I had her blood sent out to confirm if she really had FELV. Well her results came in yesterday, it's in her bone marrow. I still haven't decided on a friend for her yet, I'm unsure what to do with my house already full. I think I would need to adopt another cat with it already in their bone marrow too, right? I've never had a FELV+ cat, so I don't know what to do. April ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
I was thinking about that. I haven't been following all of this, but with anemia, that's what I did with Mittens (a long time ago). Some vets just aren't really willing or able to try and help a sick FELV cat - though they might be trainable :) You can of course give him sub- q fluids at home. My vet said that we could do a couple of blood transfusions, ,but that no more than that. Not sure why - for biological reasons or practical reasons. but a transfusion might pump him up till he could get LTCI or interferon or something. Course as I recall, interferon alpha is more of a preventative than a treatment. Not sure about interferon omega. Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote: Marcia, Has Fletch had a blood transfusion yet? I've heard this helps tremendously. Did your vet tell you she will order the LCTI? Did she do any lab work to find out what his blood cell counts are? He may have not cried all the way there because he is too weak. I'm so sorry he is such bad shape!! In my opinion, just go with your heart. I know you don't want the poor little guy to suffer. Hugs~ Lynda - Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Hi everyone I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well. I'm really afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back to the vet yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over 105. Bonier than what he was last week. She gave him a long lasting penicillin shot. She did mention that most people don't mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't cry all the way there (25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her the info on LCTI and she was on the computer looking it up when I left. I asked just HOW sick is fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home he was extremely off balance and couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the day before. His quality of life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if this is permanent or just a passing bacterial infection. Opinions from the experts? (all of you)(-: Thanks so much Marcia Sent from my iPad On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per vial? I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check but want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it. Thanks Kat On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com wrote: Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a distributor in Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor. From: drsiebl...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Definitely try to get some LTCI. We put dexter on it for the last few weeks of his life and I feel that if we had started sooner, he might have lived a bit longer. LTCI is only available from the manufacturer: www.tcyte.com - if your vet will order it, they will overnight the medication to the vet. I was paying roughly $60 per dose at 1 dose every three days. It is possible to be more aggressive with the treatment and administer it daily. The other up-side to this medication is that it is administered via sub- cutaneous injection - immunoregulin, on the the other hand, is via IV injection. The IV injection will stress the kitty out about 1000 times more than a sub-q injection. Immunoregulin also made Dexter spike a fever after each dose - something he didn't need and quickly wore him out. Tcyte can also slow the inevitable appearance of dreaded lymphatic cancer. Many benefits with this stuff. Please call the tcyte folks tomorrow - they are very helpful and will give you all the info you need. -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:43 PM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone I really need some help. fletch is really not feeling well. His fever is back and he hides in the basement. Two times now he has missed doses of his antibiotic because i cannot find him anywhere. It seems like I can feel more of his backbone and his hipbones even though he continues to eat, but not as well. I don't know what to think. I feel so bad for him, he seems miserable.He acts like the base of his ear hurts when I touch him but the vet said he had never seen such clean ears. I think I need a different antibiotic, this amoxi isn't working, or doees it take longer to work? There seemed to be a teensy bit of improvement, but now I feel like he looks as bad as the day I took him to the vet. What about this LTCI. Is this something I should discuss with my vet? Is it better than immunoregulin. I just feel like my poor little cat is wasting away here fast and there's something else I can be doing for him What do I
Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
Hmmm. Think blood work would add some insight into things like potassium, blood counts. Can see if anemic, etc. Good that his gums are pink. Not sure about the baby aspirin, maybe she's assuming pain? How bout some Pettinic or something like that with b vitamins possibly? Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: She did not do lab work. She said it won't make any difference in the way he will be treated. She had not heard of the ltci but did seem interested after reading through some of the data. She immediately got on the computer to look it up. My a ppt was at the end of the day so she said she wasn't to sure she could even talk to them and may not be able to until Tuesday because of the holiday. I think that they think he is too far gone. But how could it be that Thursday morning he comes up the stairs, rubs all over my legs, purrs and now he can't walk without stumbling all over? That makes no sense to me. Could it be that he is low on potassium? But how, when he had fluids? Maybe he has a brain tumor or something. He just peed on my couch twice. Just laid there and did it. Not like him. She also said he is not anemic. His nose is very pink and his gums are pink. Well that's all I know. Oh, I did just give him 500 mcg of methyl B12. It won't hurt! She also told me to give him 81 mg of baby aspirin 2X a week. Thanks you guys for listening(-: Sent from my iPad On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: I was thinking about that. I haven't been following all of this, but with anemia, that's what I did with Mittens (a long time ago). Some vets just aren't really willing or able to try and help a sick FELV cat - though they might be trainable :) You can of course give him sub-q fluids at home. My vet said that we could do a couple of blood transfusions, ,but that no more than that. Not sure why - for biological reasons or practical reasons. but a transfusion might pump him up till he could get LTCI or interferon or something. Course as I recall, interferon alpha is more of a preventative than a treatment. Not sure about interferon omega. Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote: Marcia, Has Fletch had a blood transfusion yet? I've heard this helps tremendously. Did your vet tell you she will order the LCTI? Did she do any lab work to find out what his blood cell counts are? He may have not cried all the way there because he is too weak. I'm so sorry he is such bad shape!! In my opinion, just go with your heart. I know you don't want the poor little guy to suffer. Hugs~ Lynda - Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Hi everyone I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well. I'm really afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back to the vet yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over 105. Bonier than what he was last week. She gave him a long lasting penicillin shot. She did mention that most people don't mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't cry all the way there (25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her the info on LCTI and she was on the computer looking it up when I left. I asked just HOW sick is fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home he was extremely off balance and couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the day before. His quality of life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if this is permanent or just a passing bacterial infection. Opinions from the experts? (all of you)(-: Thanks so much Marcia Sent from my iPad On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per vial? I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check but want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it. Thanks Kat On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com wrote: Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a distributor in Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor. From: drsiebl...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Definitely try to get some LTCI. We put dexter on it for the last few weeks of his life and I feel that if we had started sooner, he might have lived a bit longer. LTCI is only available from the manufacturer: www.tcyte.com - if your vet will order it, they will overnight the medication to the vet. I was paying roughly $60 per dose at 1 dose every three days. It is possible to be more aggressive with the treatment and administer it daily. The other up-side to this medication is that it is administered via sub- cutaneous injection - immunoregulin, on the the other hand, is via IV injection
Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
Which liquid human B's? I might like to get some - like from the drug store, etc? Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Marcia wrote: Gloria I got on a CRf site that I've used and they recommended human b's. So I am giving him liquid b complex and also the methyl b 12 since the bcomplex isn't high in b12. I also ordered wellness canned food. He has eaten twice today. I mix it with water for fluids. But I do have to stick it under his nose and hold the bowl for him (and I don't mind). (-: Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Hmmm. Think blood work would add some insight into things like potassium, blood counts. Can see if anemic, etc. Good that his gums are pink. Not sure about the baby aspirin, maybe she's assuming pain? How bout some Pettinic or something like that with b vitamins possibly? Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: She did not do lab work. She said it won't make any difference in the way he will be treated. She had not heard of the ltci but did seem interested after reading through some of the data. She immediately got on the computer to look it up. My a ppt was at the end of the day so she said she wasn't to sure she could even talk to them and may not be able to until Tuesday because of the holiday. I think that they think he is too far gone. But how could it be that Thursday morning he comes up the stairs, rubs all over my legs, purrs and now he can't walk without stumbling all over? That makes no sense to me. Could it be that he is low on potassium? But how, when he had fluids? Maybe he has a brain tumor or something. He just peed on my couch twice. Just laid there and did it. Not like him. She also said he is not anemic. His nose is very pink and his gums are pink. Well that's all I know. Oh, I did just give him 500 mcg of methyl B12. It won't hurt! She also told me to give him 81 mg of baby aspirin 2X a week. Thanks you guys for listening(-: Sent from my iPad On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: I was thinking about that. I haven't been following all of this, but with anemia, that's what I did with Mittens (a long time ago). Some vets just aren't really willing or able to try and help a sick FELV cat - though they might be trainable :) You can of course give him sub-q fluids at home. My vet said that we could do a couple of blood transfusions, ,but that no more than that. Not sure why - for biological reasons or practical reasons. but a transfusion might pump him up till he could get LTCI or interferon or something. Course as I recall, interferon alpha is more of a preventative than a treatment. Not sure about interferon omega. Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote: Marcia, Has Fletch had a blood transfusion yet? I've heard this helps tremendously. Did your vet tell you she will order the LCTI? Did she do any lab work to find out what his blood cell counts are? He may have not cried all the way there because he is too weak. I'm so sorry he is such bad shape!! In my opinion, just go with your heart. I know you don't want the poor little guy to suffer. Hugs~ Lynda - Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Hi everyone I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well. I'm really afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back to the vet yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over 105. Bonier than what he was last week. She gave him a long lasting penicillin shot. She did mention that most people don't mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't cry all the way there (25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her the info on LCTI and she was on the computer looking it up when I left. I asked just HOW sick is fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home he was extremely off balance and couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the day before. His quality of life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if this is permanent or just a passing bacterial infection. Opinions from the experts? (all of you)(-: Thanks so much Marcia Sent from my iPad On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per vial? I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check but want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it. Thanks Kat On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com wrote: Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a distributor in Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor. From: drsiebl...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
OK Thanks - yup I like Twinlab. Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Marcia wrote: Super b complex by twinlab. I ordered from amazon. U can get a twinpack. Gmc also makes liquid b's with more b12 but not as wide a spectrum of the different b's. I just give the b12 separate. Cat dose is 1/10 of human dose. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2011, at 3:36 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Which liquid human B's? I might like to get some - like from the drug store, etc? Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Marcia wrote: Gloria I got on a CRf site that I've used and they recommended human b's. So I am giving him liquid b complex and also the methyl b 12 since the bcomplex isn't high in b12. I also ordered wellness canned food. He has eaten twice today. I mix it with water for fluids. But I do have to stick it under his nose and hold the bowl for him (and I don't mind). (-: Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Hmmm. Think blood work would add some insight into things like potassium, blood counts. Can see if anemic, etc. Good that his gums are pink. Not sure about the baby aspirin, maybe she's assuming pain? How bout some Pettinic or something like that with b vitamins possibly? Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: She did not do lab work. She said it won't make any difference in the way he will be treated. She had not heard of the ltci but did seem interested after reading through some of the data. She immediately got on the computer to look it up. My a ppt was at the end of the day so she said she wasn't to sure she could even talk to them and may not be able to until Tuesday because of the holiday. I think that they think he is too far gone. But how could it be that Thursday morning he comes up the stairs, rubs all over my legs, purrs and now he can't walk without stumbling all over? That makes no sense to me. Could it be that he is low on potassium? But how, when he had fluids? Maybe he has a brain tumor or something. He just peed on my couch twice. Just laid there and did it. Not like him. She also said he is not anemic. His nose is very pink and his gums are pink. Well that's all I know. Oh, I did just give him 500 mcg of methyl B12. It won't hurt! She also told me to give him 81 mg of baby aspirin 2X a week. Thanks you guys for listening(-: Sent from my iPad On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: I was thinking about that. I haven't been following all of this, but with anemia, that's what I did with Mittens (a long time ago). Some vets just aren't really willing or able to try and help a sick FELV cat - though they might be trainable :) You can of course give him sub-q fluids at home. My vet said that we could do a couple of blood transfusions, ,but that no more than that. Not sure why - for biological reasons or practical reasons. but a transfusion might pump him up till he could get LTCI or interferon or something. Course as I recall, interferon alpha is more of a preventative than a treatment. Not sure about interferon omega. Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote: Marcia, Has Fletch had a blood transfusion yet? I've heard this helps tremendously. Did your vet tell you she will order the LCTI? Did she do any lab work to find out what his blood cell counts are? He may have not cried all the way there because he is too weak. I'm so sorry he is such bad shape!! In my opinion, just go with your heart. I know you don't want the poor little guy to suffer. Hugs~ Lynda - Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Hi everyone I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well. I'm really afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back to the vet yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over 105. Bonier than what he was last week. She gave him a long lasting penicillin shot. She did mention that most people don't mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't cry all the way there (25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her the info on LCTI and she was on the computer looking it up when I left. I asked just HOW sick is fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home he was extremely off balance and couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the day before. His quality of life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if this is permanent or just a passing bacterial infection. Opinions from the experts? (all of you)(-: Thanks so much Marcia Sent from my iPad On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per vial? I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+ Emergency in Austin, TX
Yup sounds weird, I'm curious too. Sounds like maybe he's getting sick and anemic from the FELV, but you never know, could just have something simple. Gloria On Aug 21, 2011, at 4:59 AM, gary wrote: Kelly, Please contact me off list about this kitty. I would love to know exactly what condition is treatable and what treatment would make him very infectious beyond being as infectious as he is now. g Gary From: Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 4:31 PM To: felvtalk Cc: teeja...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Felvtalk] FELV+ Emergency in Austin, TX Hey folks, got an emergency with a possible FELV+ cat in Austin, Texas. He's had one snap test (and that's with the felv/fiv/ heartworm test, which we know there are a lot of false +s with). There is no one to hold him for a confirmatory IFA. Someone wrote me asking for help, this is her description of him: He is slated to be euthanized at 5pm today. This boy is very affectionate, loving to be held, petted, scratched, etc. He was even purring while being petted at the counter at the vet's office with all the strange scents and animal noises going on! He's pretty sick at the moment. Vet says he's extremely anemic. That's why he hasn't been eating much. And the heat has exacerbated the problem since he's been an outdoor cat. Vet also says the condition is treatable, but the treatment makes him very infectious. So what he needs is an indoor home either in a one-cat household or in a house where all the cats are feline leukemia positive. It's breaking my heart because he's such a sweetie. I'm hoping to find someone who can provide a home for this baby so he won't have to be euthanized. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a couple of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home is, and hopefully stay around. Course this depends on your having the right weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection, etc. You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who will do the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she learns where home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty was altered, unfortunately. Good luck with your kitty - Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds
I just do not believe that FELV is that contagious. We know FIV isn't that contagious except thru deep bite wounds. I kind of think it's the same thing with FELV. I've had the same thing happen - had a kitty die, had a necropsy, and she had FELV/FIV. None of the other cats got it. I knew she was FIV, but didn't know about the FELV. Lived several years with those cats. Gloria dlgegg at windstream.net dlgegg at windstream.net Fri Aug 12 17:04:43 CDT 2011 Maybe his immune system had improved since he first got FIV so he was abl to ward off the felv. Natalie atia2 at optonline.net wrote: That's one for the booksamazing! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of molveywda at hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 8:33 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds Check this out - I have an FIV positive cat living with me. He's an older gentleman that I took in a couple of years ago. In March a two year old cat of mine died and that's when we discovered she had FeLV. She tested negative as a kitten. She and my FIV positive kitty lived together sharing food and water bowls and everything. I think he used to groom her too when she was a kitten. I had him, the FIV kitty, combo tested yesterday. Can you believe that booger is negative for FeLV? Talk about defying the odds. Doesn't make sense that an immune compromised kitty did not contract the disease. You can't predict anything regarding this disease. I just assumed he had gotten it from her. Just wanted to share my good but very confusing news. sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC ___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] coconut oil
I live in Arkansas. I know there are some quacks out there, but I always appreciate the folks who study and offer alternative treatments, as our environment in the USA isn't very supportive of that. Wish there was more research into this area. I've used a number of alternative treatments, and have witnessed folks I know who've gotten cancer, looking at something to help. I sure hope your friend finds a way. It's been a long time since I've looked into this, but ozone is also used for similar purposes as H2O2. Gloria - Original Message - From: Roseann Fitzgerald cop...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] coconut oil My friend moved to Arkansaw several years ago. She has contracted Rocky Mountain Fever and is very sick. Nothing is helping. She is now seeing a holistic doctor and he is giving her hydrogen peroxide IV's. Rocky Mountain Fever can become cancer. -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Husband's Obiituary
Thanks for posting, Terrie, what a lovely man, I appreciated reading the obituary. My heart goes out to you. Gloria From: ter...@tazzys.org Date: April 6, 2011 10:37:05 PM CDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Husband's Obiituary Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Here is the main link to the paper I put my husband's obituary. Just click on the obit look for Bobby Forker it will only be online for 30 days. In the local paper Thursday and Sunday. There will be a photo of him. I hope it turns out alright. http://www.heraldnet.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being
Dear Terrie, I'm so sorry, so sad for what you're going through. He sounds young to me. Been thru hospice with a boyfriend several years ago. I hope there are some sweet moments in the times you share together. Thinking about you and sending all kinds of good thoughts and wishes. Gloria From: ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 8:09:59 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being. Hi all,I'm taking some time off from rescue due to my husband's illness. He has liver failure and is not a candidate for a transplant. He has been hospitalized 2 times this month and once last month he was placed into a skill nursing facility since the 18th of February after the first trip to the hospital. He is in the end final stage of his disease his liver has stopped working. Can die at any given time. He is being given all the pain meds he wants for comfort so he will most likely fall asleep an never wake up again. I want to make myself available at all times for him. He is only 64 years old... I know to some of you that may sound old but it isn't really. Hospice has been part of this as well to help me cope with all of this. Hospice is available to me 24 hours a day. Sincerely, Terrie TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright C 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Yet another question.....
One thought process that I've run into is that a healthy adult cat (FELV negative) has a hearty enough immune system to successfully deal with the FELV virus without acquiring it. I can't see that vaccinating them at this point would be of value. Just my 2c Gloria From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com Date: March 21, 2011 12:07:44 PM CDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Yet another question. Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I've mentioned my kitty Two Face earlier because she died two weeks ago and when they did the necropsy they found out she had a huge tumor and was FeLV +. Since then I've had a few of my other kitties tested with the combo/snap test at the vet's office. All have come out negative so far, thank the Lord for that. These other kitties that have tested negative lived with Two Face for over a year. Sharing litterboxes, food bowls and all that stuff. I would think that would mean that they had enough exposure to the virus to get it in their system and that they either extinguished the virus or put it into a dormant status. Is that a reasonable assumption? My main question now is should I give them a FeLV vaccination. If they did get the virus in their system and extinguished it then they're immune for life, right? If so, there's no need for a vaccination. Is it possible with all that exposure that they didn't get enough of the virus into their system to do any harm? If that's the case then I should vaccinate them? I just don't know how they could not have gotten enough exposure since they lived together and shared everything for over a year. Thoughts? “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Please add ChooChoo to the bridge list
Please add ChooChoo to the bridge list. She died on March 19. She was a Russian blue (with white) FELV kitty that I found at a farm in east Arkansas, in 2008. Moved her to my home in Little Rock, and found out she was FELV positive. She was a friendly kitty, had a mind of her own, seemed to enjoy life here. She may have been 6 mo to 1 yr old at the time of rescue. This puts her in the neighborhood of 3 yrs old, which is about when I often lose my FELV cats, if they had the virus as a kitten. I hadn't seen any signs of real illness, but she had been a little more subdued for a couple of days. Sleep soft sweet ChooChoo. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Transport
Where they going, Kelley? On Mar 16, 2011, at 11:16 AM, POTT, BEVERLY wrote: Here's another one: http://operationroger.rescuegroups.org/ -Original Message- From: Kelley Saveika [mailto:moonv...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:59 PM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: Transport Hi there, Does anyone know anything about transport? I am trying to get these 2 FELV+ kitties to various far flung places (if anyone adopts them - no one has yet). I do not know the first thing about it. Often our adopters have limited funds and cannot afford to pay to transport, and time is of the essence when dealing with this shelter as they kill FELV+ cats first. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] MaryChristine
Just fyi, for those who know MaryChristine - she had heart bypass surgery on Monday, over yonder in New York State. The update from a friend of hers says that she's out of intensive care, now in a regular room, and doing well. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........
You know, mine have very rarely needed dental work. I've had many cats and only 1 hyperthyroid, and he's 22 - not adoptable anyhow. Go figure. Gloria On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: When I say senior I'm talking about cats in the 10-15 year age range and it seems they invariably need dental work when they come into rescue. We also always do full blood panels for anyone over 8 years of age. We don't want to risk adopting out a cat who is hyperthyroid or diabetic or in renal failure to someone who just is not prepared to deal with that. Dealing with these things before listing for adoption has made all the difference in the world in finding good homes for cats past 8-10 years of age. --- On Mon, 2/28/11, Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 6:56 PM We provide the same vet care to all adult cats regardless of the age. I don't find the seniors to cost more, but of course most folks don't want to adopt a pet that has a clearly limited short lifespan. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:54 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Oh? Is this a nation-wide requirement or certain areas? And for senior animals only? I never heard that in my neck of the woods and have rescued and found homes for many dogs and several cats. Of course, they are usually younger and are always fully vetted before I take them out for Adoption Days but. Dental required? I have never done dental stuff for any of my animals.I occasionally brush dogs teeth if they have tartar but make sure they eat and chew the right stuff so that isn't a problem. Cats the same. Never had an animal that had a bad tooth needing extraction and I have had a boat load of animals. Am I missing something? Where are these requirements in place? And just for older animals? My one senior kitty has a senior blood panel once a year. All the rest who aren't positives have std vaccinations including for FeLV annually. This gets more and more difficult when all you want to do is love them and let them live out their lives in happiness and peace. K On 2/28/11, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote: What makes the $500/$1000 inadequate is that, from a rescue standpoint, older animals have to be fully vetted before they can be listed for adoption. That includes dental which is so expensive. Adopters are reluctant to take on older or special needs animals because they are afraid of the cost. Now, if the animals are current on cleanings and extractions and have recent senior blood panels then that makes all the difference. --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:35 PM Some great ideas/questions! Thank you all and keep them coming. Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start receiving a small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the mortgage and food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate - which I should have known - was a set back I will have to deal with. I guess I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker could find forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to another concern about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to find good homes.. Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would give money to a stranger on line with no real info as to where it will really go so why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds strange. I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would oversee that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care they should? My few remaining relatives live many states away and are within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the person/house after the animals alive at the time of my death are no longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and property could revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that with zoning laws and all And I would have to be sure the house could be paid for at my death ARGHH... I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be familiar with these types of situations AND share my love for these furry kids. Maybe listed in the yellow pages under Attorneys - Animal Trusts??? or something? ;-) And would be willing and able to do it without charging an arm and a leg. Sigh. So much to think about. Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all. Kat On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm so glad my family knows how important
Re: [Felvtalk] Scrappy Angel over the Rainbow Bridge today
I'm so sorry, Paola, I know how it is. All our bridge children are there with him, showing him the way. Gloria On Feb 24, 2011, at 10:26 PM, paola cresti wrote: My little Scrappy boy was coming to the end of his fight, I only had him for 8 months when he walked into my home and was already in bad condition, hence the Scrappy name, I didn't think he was going to live 1 month. at that time. Though I should have named him Angel for all the love he gave me, he'd started responding to Scrappy so I kept calling him that. I've had plenty of cats in my lifetime, not often do they care for face to face contact with people, but he'd look straight into my eyes lean forward and rub his cheek on mine, even placing his paws on my chest to stabilize himself when reaching for me (sometimes I wouldn't realize right away what he was doing). The vet said he was 8 years old, so he must have contracted FeLV as an adult. He'd stopped eating, had labored breathing and had taken to hiding. His sunken eyes lost any indication of light and so we stopped any more injections or treatments and I had to have him laid to rest today. Thank you for reading, and for all the information and support I got from this mail-list Paola ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone experienced with transport?
I have to say, that's impressive, to have a help desk at the humane society.. Gloria in Arkansas On Feb 20, 2011, at 8:15 PM, Second Chance Meows wrote: you can contact the Nevada humane society at 775-856-2000 and ask for the help desk they can contact volunteers that might help in Nevada and close in to the state Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone experienced with transport? MIchael, We have 3 kittens needing to go from Austin to Reno. We have someone to drive the first leg. What we need is someone to help us coordinate the rest of the legs and possibly teach me in the process. On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Second Chance Meows secondchanceme...@yahoo.com wrote: what can i help you with? Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Jenine jenmarac...@gbis.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone experienced with transport? Michael, They will be coming here to Reno. Have been meaning to contact you anyway, so this may be the right time. Feel free to email me. jenmarac...@gbis.com Jenine On 2/18/2011 5:31 PM, Second Chance Meows wrote: where in Nevada do they need to go? Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Kelley Saveikamoonv...@gmail.com To: felvtalkFelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 4:19 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone experienced with transport? We have the 3 FELV+ kittens here (Austin) needing to go to Nevada with as little stress as possible. I have no experience at all in this area; however, we do have a person willing to drive the first leg. Anyone experienced with transport who can help? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Peroxide therapy
Another possibility - a stroke. Good luck to him and you! Gloria On Feb 16, 2011, at 7:29 AM, Natalie wrote: That's why our shelter is at our house; they are home with us...we get covered with cats taking turns on our laps, sometimes there are three or four. I found out yesterday that one of our healthy cats was acting strangely and was taken to the vet. He's a very tame and sweet cat, but when he gets to the vet, he's the incredible hulk! Last time, I couldn't hold him down with my whole body weight for the vet just to look into his mouth. He was blind yesterday morning, stumbled aroundby evening, at the hospital, he could see again...blood work will be back today and he may have a brain inflammation (original diagnosis). If I won the sweepstakes, I'd get a huge farm, with houses and sections for different animals on it - all saved from deathrow.. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 11:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Peroxide therapy I don't know how you handle working in a shelter. It is so hard when one of my babies dies, but fortunately that is not too often. I would also want to take them all home with me. Finances prevent that so I guess I would just have to move into the shellter so I could be with them all the time. My pride does not have too many spats, but most of them occur when I sit down. Everyone wants lap privileges. Of course, if I won the sweepstakes, then I could buy a lot of land, build a large house and take them all. But with my luck I don't think that will happen. Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: I'd really like to know about this. We lost one of our FelV girls this weekend. Her name was Mimi, but I always called her Meem. She was the first to greet me when I'd go to my no-kill cageless shelter. She was in our FelV room, and she was a sweet, gentle little lady We miss her very much. Lorrie On 02-15, Natalie wrote: I am so sorry to hear about all the little ones that have died! I am reading something very interesting that may help all of our FeLV cats. Hydrogen-peroxide therapy - any form of cancer dies in oxygen. I know the exact dosages for humans, but must do some research on what to do for FeLV/FIV positive cats...it apparently acts the same way as interferon (creates oxygen), but without the side effects. I am anxious to get all the info and try it on my two guys as soon as we get back from Mexico - BTW - it's freezing here at night, days aren't too warm, either, but we have plenty of sunshine! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV + kitten needs help
Maybe I missed it - what is the location? On Feb 14, 2011, at 8:19 AM, TANYA NOE wrote: Hello everyone, A girl I know rescued an approximately 18-22 week old kitten from a high kill shelters euthanasia list recently. The kitten has some corneal scarring but appears to still be able to see it also is FeLV +. It is a black and white female. She is very friendly, loves to cuddle and uses her litter box well. The girls family won't let her keep it because of the FeLV. We have had many talks about it but the family is still too concerned that their 3 year old cat will get sick. She can no longer keep this sweet girl and is scared to death at the idea of having to take it back to the shelter. We all know how many people in this world perceive out little FeLV babies. I posted a message last week with a picture but it was too large and I was told a moderator would look at it and either let it go through or message me why it had not. I never heard back on it so I am sending out this plea... Is there anyone out there who would be willing to take this sweet little girl and give her a home? She has been to the vet and appears to be otherwise healthy other than the FeLV and corneal scarring. If anyone is interested, please send me an email at sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com and I will send you pictures of her, she is super cute. Please, there has got to be someone out there who has the space and love for this little honey who has been given this 2nd chance. Thanks everyone, I pray for good news from someone who will get the opportunity to spend many happy years with this little angel! Tanya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FELV cat in Takoma Park, MD, suburbs of Washington, DC
I saw this on Facebook, and am so impressed that the Takoma Park Clinic (outside of Washington, DC, in Maryland) is helping an FELV cat. The Takoma Park Clinic is at 7330 Carroll Ave, in Takoma Park, phone 301-270-4700. Meet Bandit! He is hoping that we can help him to find his forever home!! Bandit was left at the clinic two weeks ago. We have since neutered and vaccinated him. His is FELV Pos and has lost one of his eyes. However, I don't think that there is a happier, more loving cat out there! He will need to be eithr in a home as the only cat or in a home with another FELV Pos cat. Please help find bandit the home that he deserves!! Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
I have to say, while our monthly clinic vet does pediatric spay/ neuter, I wouldn't trust every one to do it, and I understand the term chop shops. Compared with other local clinics, I think we do batter aftercare for cats in recovery than any of the others and that's so important. Can't just put them in a cage or carrier after surgery, and leave them. Fortunately we have a good system, and we all trust our vet, who is good with pediatric s/n, and he's also fast - amazing to watch him versus some of the other vets. Knowing the vet and trusting are so important. Otherwise I'd wait a while too. Gloria On Dec 27, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I figure that amazingly enough he's been to vet school and I haven't. The local low cost spay and neuter places (I call them chop n shops) will do them at 3 months, but their primary concern is that all animals be spayed and neutered no matter what, and they killed one of our kittens with a botched spay - never again. Our current vet does them at 6 months because his concern is the health of each individual animal - and I like that. We have never had anyone get pregnant. If they are not altered we adopt out on foster to adopt, which means we still own the animal and they are fostering. It works if you can keep up with it. We never transfer ownership on an unaltered animal. On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: Kelley, Our vet says exactly the same thing, so we s/n at 6 months. On 12-27, Kelley Saveika wrote: We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before that, and from what I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n in dogs I can't blame him. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Good news
Hi Kerry, I remember you from way back. So glad to see you out there and hear your story. I think I took in my first FELV cats in 2001 - Mr. Black Kitty and Calawalla Banana Booboo. Mr. Black Kitty was a double positive, and lived about a year. He was SOO skinny, but an energetic, sweet kitty. Calawalla was a calico kitten, maybe 6 mo old or so. I kept them in my living room, and one of the first things I did was put tape on the bottom of the door so that they couldn't sniff noses with my other cats. My vet told me that wasn't necessary - the virus only lived a few seconds when it hit the air, and was very fragile. I fortunately found this group, and read up on FELV and learned more. So within a couple of years, I decided that for me, it was time to mix the FELVs with the other cats, and have been doing that ever since. Calawalla died when she was about 2 yrs old. I had acquired another FELV for her - MIttens - who died died a little later. I sometimes wonder what subgroup/strain they were, and what my present FELV's are. I've got a great picture of them on a bed with my non-FELV, Shakespeare, just chillin and looking great. Anyhow, great to hear from you - Happy Holidays to you, Kerry, sending love and hugs back at ya - Gloria On Dec 25, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Kerry MacKenzie wrote: Dear all It's been a few years since I last posted. Background: I found this amazing, wonderful, kind, supportive, and knowledgeable group--it remains my best Internet experience--after discovering that 5 members of a feral colony of 4 kittens and 2 adults that I took in in 2003 had tested positive for a disease called feline leukemia. (1 of the adults, Momcat, was negative. I should say, we didn't know if she was really the mother--I just gave her the name as she was the only adult female in the group. I saw no reason to separate her as she'd already been exposed, plus she was the most stressed/timid of all of them.) Re-testing a few months later showed no change--5 pos, 1 neg. Within 2 years, 3 of the kittens and the positive adult succumbed to the disease, 2 on the same day. A few months later I re-tested again. This time, both remaining cats, Momcat and Mickey, tested negative. Hi-fiving all round! They're now 8 and 7, respectively. Still resolutely feral, but healthy! Fast forward to September this year when I began fostering Sally, a 5-week calico that had tested positive on both ELISA and IFA. The rescue group said they would re-test in 3 months. The lab people said: Why bother? Nothing you do is going to change the result. One of the vets at the clinic said the same thing: re-testing is pointless. The rescue group disregarded the advice and earlier this month I took her for a 2nd round of ELISA and IFA. Result: both negative! Just wanted to share--I figure we can always use good news. I will also say--and it's very much my decision, based on my personal experience with healthy adult Momcat (above), who lived alongside 5 positives but remained neg--this is the 2nd time I've fostered a pos kitten--Daisy remained positive and found a great forever home where she has a pos boyfriend too-- and both times I've mixed them freely with my healthy, adult cats. As I say, my personal decision. I would not say anyone else should do the same thing. Sending good wishes to all of you who do so much and for all the kitties in your care. love and hugs and happy holidays. Kerry M., mom to Flavia, Caramel, Levi, Snoball--all of whom gave me so much in their all-too-short lives, and are now immortalized thanks to Belinda and the Candlelight Service--Mickey, Momcat, Katyis, Trixie and Tiger, and foster mom to Sally. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon
A friend of mine has an FELV cat (along with another non FELV cat; they're buddies). She's had the FELV kitty on interferon alpha for several years - kitty has done extremely well. Gloria On Dec 10, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Andy Domek wrote: Aggie has had interferon every day of her life since I've had her (for 6 and a half years) and has had no noticeable side effects. But--she is still alive and happy, so I suppose you could consider that a side-effect. Might also be chalked up to good luck, but I'm sure the Interferon hasn't hurt her. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Helping kitty with extreme congestion
I'd also like to put in a plug for Zithromax and Convenia. Zithromax - I buy it dry, divide it into 3rds, and mix a 3rd at a time. Sometimes 1 day 1 dose will do the trick, especially for kittens. We've also had miraculous results with Convenia too, but you get the vet to give an injection of that. Some vets aren't into these antibiotics - they just use the same old stuff - Amoxi, Clavamox, Clindamycin, which are good - but the newer ones can be extremely helpful. You can also use Little Noses 4 hour drops (the nose drops, not the saline) - I'm trying to remember the name of the other drops I've used, can't recall it. But only the 4 hour ones. I've put on a q-tip and squished against the nose, and can be helpful. Anybody else know about nose drops? Maybe some of the messages I haven't read yet. If the cause of the congestion is related to Herpes, of course, you'd want to use Lysine orally, which is otc. Not sure what the homeopathic remedy would be...hmmm. I've been using a humidifier in my house on cold nights, because of the dryness to noses. Best of luck, Gloria On Dec 6, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: Little Noses brand salineBut it sounds like you may need a heavier duty antibiotic. What antibiotic was already given? I swear by zithromax but have also seen good results from the Convenia antibiotic injection. --- On Mon, 12/6/10, Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com wrote: From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Helping kitty with extreme congestion To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 2:37 PM As I wrote in my previous post on mixing, my little kitty is extremely congested. The vet has given him antibiotics and anti-inflammatory medicine, but since he isn't too interested in eating, I am having trouble getting them into him. I have very limited access to medications or natural remedies unless they are homemade using easily accessible ingredients. I read something about saline drops or using children's Afrin. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thank you, Melinda and VooDoo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Helping kitty with extreme congestion
just wanted to say also, maybe you could call the front desk at your vet, and find out EXACTLY what meds were giving to your kitty... it's good to know that. Gloria On Dec 8, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: I'd also like to put in a plug for Zithromax and Convenia. Zithromax - I buy it dry, divide it into 3rds, and mix a 3rd at a time. Sometimes 1 day 1 dose will do the trick, especially for kittens. We've also had miraculous results with Convenia too, but you get the vet to give an injection of that. Some vets aren't into these antibiotics - they just use the same old stuff - Amoxi, Clavamox, Clindamycin, which are good - but the newer ones can be extremely helpful. You can also use Little Noses 4 hour drops (the nose drops, not the saline) - I'm trying to remember the name of the other drops I've used, can't recall it. But only the 4 hour ones. I've put on a q- tip and squished against the nose, and can be helpful. Anybody else know about nose drops? Maybe some of the messages I haven't read yet. If the cause of the congestion is related to Herpes, of course, you'd want to use Lysine orally, which is otc. Not sure what the homeopathic remedy would be...hmmm. I've been using a humidifier in my house on cold nights, because of the dryness to noses. Best of luck, Gloria On Dec 6, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: Little Noses brand salineBut it sounds like you may need a heavier duty antibiotic. What antibiotic was already given? I swear by zithromax but have also seen good results from the Convenia antibiotic injection. --- On Mon, 12/6/10, Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com wrote: From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Helping kitty with extreme congestion To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 2:37 PM As I wrote in my previous post on mixing, my little kitty is extremely congested. The vet has given him antibiotics and anti-inflammatory medicine, but since he isn't too interested in eating, I am having trouble getting them into him. I have very limited access to medications or natural remedies unless they are homemade using easily accessible ingredients. I read something about saline drops or using children's Afrin. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thank you, Melinda and VooDoo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats
The other thing is that among adult cats with healthy immune systems, it may not matter whether they're vaccinated or not. I'm of the camp that thinks it doesn't matter. I've seen articles about this but sorry don't have a reference right now - that healthy adult cats are going to throw the virus off whether they're vaccinated or not. Gloria On Dec 7, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry wrote: Thank you everyone for all your comments and feedback. It is definitely helpful and encouraging. For those that have asked, the FELV+ kitten is Magic and she is about 5 months old and healthy other than her diagnosis. I have three other cats. Leroy and Zoe are 2 1/2 and had their FELV boosters when they were kittens, but have not had them since - just rabies and distempter. My biggest concern is my oldest cat, Ally, who is 13 1/2. She has only received her rabies shots since she was a kitten as she had a nearly fatal reaction to her vaccines when she was a kitten. Since she is an indoor cat, the vet recommended against further vaccines many years ago. The vet at my practice who suggested potentially integrating after vaccinating also seemed to be in the camp that this disease is not passed as easily from cat to cat as we might be led to believe. She told me that it generally takes prolonged consistent contact to be passed. My FELV+ kitten is currently separated from my other three negative cats and I had been concerned about accidental exposure to my negative cats. She also emphasized that it does not survive long in normal household conditions. I won't be able to talk to my regular vet until late Thursday or Friday. My husband is leaning towards wanting to vaccinate and mix if possible. I'm still on the fence. Again, I'm very appreciate of everyone's insight and perspective. It definitely helps. Thanks, Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats
The other thing is that among adult cats with healthy immune systems, it may not matter whether they're vaccinated or not. I'm of the camp that thinks it doesn't matter. I've seen articles about this but sorry don't have a reference right now - that healthy adult cats are going to throw the virus off whether they're vaccinated or not. Gloria On Dec 7, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry wrote: Thank you everyone for all your comments and feedback. It is definitely helpful and encouraging. For those that have asked, the FELV+ kitten is Magic and she is about 5 months old and healthy other than her diagnosis. I have three other cats. Leroy and Zoe are 2 1/2 and had their FELV boosters when they were kittens, but have not had them since - just rabies and distempter. My biggest concern is my oldest cat, Ally, who is 13 1/2. She has only received her rabies shots since she was a kitten as she had a nearly fatal reaction to her vaccines when she was a kitten. Since she is an indoor cat, the vet recommended against further vaccines many years ago. The vet at my practice who suggested potentially integrating after vaccinating also seemed to be in the camp that this disease is not passed as easily from cat to cat as we might be led to believe. She told me that it generally takes prolonged consistent contact to be passed. My FELV+ kitten is currently separated from my other three negative cats and I had been concerned about accidental exposure to my negative cats. She also emphasized that it does not survive long in normal household conditions. I won't be able to talk to my regular vet until late Thursday or Friday. My husband is leaning towards wanting to vaccinate and mix if possible. I'm still on the fence. Again, I'm very appreciate of everyone's insight and perspective. It definitely helps. Thanks, Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.
Since all your other cats are negative, I would not hesitate to start a process of integrating into the household. I assume you're asking since you once had an FELV positive at one time, but as I understand that virus is very fragile and doesn't survive long outside the body. Gloria On Dec 8, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Peggy Verdonck wrote: About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on Felv. She went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week later. She was suffering! We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested the same day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living with Oreo for almost a year! To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while. The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday evening. Found him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and decided to take him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing cold. He is now warm and safe in our bathroom, separated from the rest. My question is.would it be safe for him and the others, to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and if negative, vaccinate for Felv and integrate into the group in about 2 weeks. Againour other cats are negative but there is still a small chance that there might be a positive test result in the 2nd round of testing! We really would like to keep him and give a good home. But if it appears to be a bad idea we will find him a good home with someone else. Thanks for your thoughts! Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative Cats
Rabies may be not be required by law for indoor cats, depending on your local. Even so, they're not going to come in your house to check on your house cats. For FELV, I've read quite a bit that healthy adult cats have a good immunity to it whether they're vaccinated or not. Gloria On Dec 8, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry wrote: Thanks Everyone. I am lucky in that my vets have never recommended over vaccinating. Other than rabies, which is required yearly by law in our state, we have never done additional vaccinating on my cats (current and prior) as they are indoor cats only. It's part of the struggle with figuring out what to do. Separately, Magic had a watery eye this morning that she wasn't opening as much as the other one. So we need to keep a watch on that for her as I've also heard treating her symptoms early is key to her quality of life. Thanks again. Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] OT: 2 cats that desperately need a home
This is off topic, not FELV. We recently got this from a lady in New Jersey, near Manhattan. Our rescue is in Little Rock Arkansas. Any of you folks in the north east know of a way to help? Thanks very much, Gloria Begin forwarded message: From: Lindsay Mariconda lindsaymarico...@yahoo.com Date: December 7, 2010 11:48:56 AM CST To: savea...@teamfurr.org savea...@teamfurr.org Subject: 2 cats that desperately need a home Hi, my name is Lindsay Mariconda and I am in an extremely difficult situation right now concerning my 2 cats. I was referred to your organization by a friend who thought it would be helpful. I recently had to move on very short notice to an apartment that will not allow cats. I have a 10 year old named Porkchop and a 3 year old named Cookie that need a home asap. I live in Belleville, NJ and all of the no-kill shelters in and around this area are already overflowing with cats. And I don't want to place them in a non-no kill shelter. I am running out of options and time for my little ones. Any assistance or advice would be greatly appreciated in this matter. Thank You, Lindsay Mariconda P.S. I have pictures of them both I can send if needed. Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Re: Spanky - fluid in chest - mediastinaltumor in chest
That's very interesting. Reminds me that there's a Wisconsin protocol, which alternates traditional chemo drugs. I noticed it after one of my FELV kitties, Mittens, was on Vincristine and prednisone. It extended his life, I think, but only a few months. The link I find is http://www.maxshouse.com/Oncology/feline_lymphoma_and_leukemias.htm Gloria On Nov 28, 2010, at 6:11 AM, Melinda Kerr wrote: Stacy, I am not certain of the exact protocol. At one time I had it, but have long since lost it. I am in Japan and the American base vet cannot obtain the cancer medications. My Japanese vet has been very attentive and so far everything he has done has been successful. In the beginning he made me wait 10-14 days between treatments in order to allow her body to recover from the strong medicine. He does seem surprised that she recovered so quickly the first time and I am sure will be amazed once again when he sees the results of his second round. Unfortunately, I don't know what he used this last time. She received the following five treatments. All extremely strong drugs! Oncovin- 1st treatment Cyclophosphamide- 2nd treatment Doxorubicin- 3rd treatment Oncovin- 4th treatment Doxorubicin- 5th treatment All of this with 10mg of Prednisone per day. (We have since cut the Prednisone down to 5mg per day. ) I envy your access to an oncologist. Whatever is recommended, I'm sure will be your best bet! Thanks for the good wishes. Melinda, Fuji and VooDoo On Nov 28, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Stacy Zacher wrote: Hi Melinda: I am sorry about Fuji's mass but so happy she responded to chemo. What chemo did you give her? I recently joined the lymphoma list and for Spanky's type of mass (that has yet to be confirmed by biopsy) many have success with prednisoline and leukeran and some are using ac-11 to boost the white blood cells. I have a call into his oncologist/internal med specialist to see what she thinks about putting him on the leukeran. He is doing well on the pred - eating better and even ran up the stairs today which he hasn't done in many weeks. Purraying your Fuji continues to do well and thank you for sharing her story and success. Stacy and Spanky Message: 5 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 23:11:24 +0900 From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: 255f926b-47f4-4aab-94ce-0148adf35...@me.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Stacy, My kitty Fuji is almost 18 months old. In July, she was diagnosed with FeLV and a mediastinal mass. Very little effort was spent diagnosing her, but the final conclusion was lymphoma because of the presence of FeLV. At that time, all I wanted was to make her more comfortable. She responded immediately to the chemotherapy treatment that she received. She continued to receive 4 more treatments at 10+ day intervals over the next couple of months. During that time she showed absolutely no side affects. The treatments were discontinued because her WBC count was too low (because of the FeLV) for our Japanese vet to feel he could safely do them considering the mass was completely gone. Since her last treatment in September, she has had two rounds of antibiotics for minor infections (I took her in for sneezing the first time.) Last week, I took her in with vomiting and discovered the mass had returned. Second remissions are supposed to be extremely hard to obtain. However, Fuji responded immediately once again to the treatment. A week later, she eats, plays, purrs and does everything she did before. She definitely acts like a more mature cat, but of course she is. We will follow up next week with additional blood tests to see if she can get a second treatment. I know every cat is different, but I never expected to have 4+ more months with my baby. She is still alive and doing pretty good for an FeLV cat with lymphoma! Best of luck to you and Spanky. Melinda, Fuji and VooDoo On Nov 27, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Stacy Zacher wrote: Hi Sharyl: Thanks to you and everyone on this list for your replies and purrayers. . I'm so sorry about your sweet Albert but glad you had the 1.5 years with him. It's been quite a week for us - Spanky went to his vet, then the internal med specialist/oncologist and was diagnosed with a mediastinal tumor in his chest, thus the fluids. My vets too said a few days only if I didn't do something. So I put him on prednisolone for now and may do a stronger round of something to try to kill the tumor. But I know it is dicey with his FELV + status/symptoms. I can't even think straight...but have to try to keep helping him. He made it through Thanksgiving and we are taking it one day (one hour!) at a time. Purrs, Stacy and Spanky Message: 8 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:49:46 -0800 (PST) From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spanky - fluid
Re: [Felvtalk] another passing
I'm so sorry Michael - sleep soft sweet Queen Lita, 18 years old. Gloria On Nov 27, 2010, at 1:24 AM, Second Chance Meows wrote: tonight we lost our queen, Lita. our very first FeLV cat, she was 18 yrs old. Lita started out as Pink at the SPCA. she was the house cat there for a few years, and was given to me after finding out that my chemo had failed and what i had would eventually kill me. This huge torte was a pissy old girl and would hiss at everything. she at her best was about 20 lbs of pure joy. she would come up to you and head butt you to get petted, and then jump in your lap and just lay there. Lita died at home surrounded by those who loved her, laying on my daughters jacket with her by her side petting her to the end Lita had been with us for 8 long years and had been treated for everything from Uri's to arthritis, to the starting of a feline form of glaucoma, but she held on and fought for all this time finally giving in to liver failure. Safe travels across the bridge Lita. you will be missed. thank you for making Second Chance possible I know i don't send a lot of things here but we here at Second Chance try to do the best we can while running a full house. Please remember that the smaller rescues and homes like us do this from our own pockets. Please help the smaller sanctuaries like ours continue to give love and hope to our furry families. http://secondchancemeows.chipin.com/second-chance-meows-xmas-fund-raiser Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My Nephew's FeLV Kitten
Hi MaryAnne, I'm not as up on the current treatments as others, but have had FELV cats and been on the list for quite a few years, so thought I'd share some current thoughts and issues. I've have tried different things with mine, both eastern and western medicine. I've used interferon alpha, really believed in that, and used it daily, not on and off. The herbal, Astragalus, certainly is an easy thing to try, and I wouldn't hesitate to talk with an alternative practitioner and try it. Vitamin C is also a possibility, and I'm interested in LTCI though have not used it. The first FELV kitty I took in, I pulled out all the stops and tried traditional vet care, acupuncture, herbs, interferon, practitioner outside the USA, etc. I do recommend interferon, have used interferon alpha quite a bit, although some say the omega would be better. I've lost quite a few FELV kitties, and now have 5. But for some reason, the ones I have now, have no problems. But these kitties just live with no problems - go on and on. I have 1 year and a half old kitty, Izzie, has seizures also - I used a homeopathic remedy recommended by an alternative practitioner, helped a lot but my kitty (Izzie) still has occasional seizures. Keep in mind that the combo (Elisa) test - detects (I think) the virus in the blood, and possibly the bone marrow (1st stage, primary viremia). The IFA test tells if the virus is in the bone marrow (2nd stage, secondary viremia). A positive result on the Elisa means that kitty has the virus in the blood and it's unknown about the bone marrow. A positive result on the the IFA apparently means it's a permanent infection - in blood and bone marrow. I've read that cats can stay at the 1st stage for life, and don't necessarily go to stage two...but I don't know much about that. I'm wondering if some of my present cats have it in the blood but hasn't gotten to the bone marrow. The text that follows is from the Cornell brochure (not that I believe everything from Cornell but this seems to help clarify the tests). From http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/brochures/felv.html - I understand there are two stages of FeLV infection. What are they? FeLV is present in the blood (a condition called viremia) during two different stages of infection: Primary viremia, an early stage of virus infection. During this stage some cats are able to mount an effective immune response, eliminate the virus from the bloodstream, and halt progression to the secondary viremia stage. Secondary viremia, a later stage characterized by persistent infection of the bone marrow and other tissue. If FeLV infection progresses to this stage it has passed a point of no return: the overwhelming majority of cats with secondary viremia will be infected for the remainder of their lives. How is infection diagnosed? Two types of FeLV blood tests are in common use. Both detect a protein component of the virus as it circulates in the bloodstream. ELISA (enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay) and similar tests can be performed in your veterinarian's office. ELISA-type tests detect both primary and secondary stages of viremia. IFA (indirect immunofluorescent antibody assay) tests must be sent out to a diagnostic laboratory. IFA tests detect secondary viremia only, so the majority of positive-testing cats remain infected for life. Hope this helps in some way - Best of luck, Gloria On Nov 27, 2010, at 3:46 PM, marasm...@aol.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I joined the Group in order to learn as much as I could about FeLV because my nephew has recently adopted an FeLV kitten. I have already learned so much from the research and resources available through this group. I find it so valuable and am greatly appreciative of all of you who have made this organization's resources available to some of us Newbies. I could really use some specific help: 1. Does anyone know of a great Vet in NYC who is knowledgeable and skilled at treating FeLV? I was hoping for someone who combines Eastern and Western medicine. 2. Are there any of the experimental drugs that are on the web site's list that some of you have used that you think are helpful? 3. We have an excellent Chinese Herbalist doc outside of the city who has helped me with my other pets. Does it make sense to try herbs, such as astragulus for the immune system under this doc's management? 4. I read the archived info. on LTCI and am aware of all of the issues. But, has anyone had any recent success with it? I am extremely frustrated with so many of my Vets who just throw up their hands and say very little can be done. Maybe that's true, but at least I can try to help with food, supplements, etc. along with any meds. that might help. This whole situation breaks my heart. Whatever ideas, help or support any of you can provide, please know that I will be extremely appreciative!
Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic
I luv Stonyfield Farms products :) Gloria On Nov 22, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Beth wrote: I always give my cats a pro-biotic with clavamox such as Stoneyfield Farms plain yogurt. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Sun, 11/21/10, Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic To: Feline Leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 6:30 PM That's been my experience often w Clavamox. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 21, 2010, at 3:56 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Clavamox put Bob into full diaherrea. he was miserable and we had a few messes when he could not make it to the box. this was from emergency vet on a Sunday night. got another that was easier on him, but he passed at the end of that week. thought about an autopsy, but decided not to cause him any more abuse. buried him in my 3rd plot in a flower garden. i have 4 gardens with buriel plots in them. only plant shallow rooted things there. then Homie came down with crystals and urinary tract infection so we gave her a shot that lasts 2 weks and does not cause so much discomfort. also gave her herbal pill from Only Natural Pet Store. at the end of 30 days on the pill she is free of crystals and infection. lost the envelope they came in, but developed by a Chinese dr and has as first ingredient dendrobium. i was desperate for something to get rid of the crystals. she was retaining urine and would not eat the special foods by Hill's and Purina for this problem. she got lethargic, wouldn't eat or drink much and was trying to go all over the house. after a couple of days on this pill, she started on recovery and by the end of the first week was almost back to normal which is a pain in the ---. she delights in tormenting Annie and Nitnoy by sitting there and staring at them. now i am laying in a supply of Feliway. I hesitated to get this, is expensive and only had reviews by people who had tried it to go on, but as bad as she was, i figured i had nothing to loose. Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Clavamox can be kind of hard on the digestive track sometime. I know nothing about neoplasene salve. I dint know, i might try some other abx, if it were me, like amoxicillin or azithromycin . Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi: Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and using his litter box - again when I get him up and take him near it. His gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per day. When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since we did the neoplasene salve on him. Now I am wondering if I should try giving him the antibiotic anyway just in case. I gave him fluids for the past 2 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml because he's not drinking very much. In any case, I'm just looking for advice about clavamox. I don't want to make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats nauseous. also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his nose and his other 2 lesions. The vet recommended doing the salve again but at this point, I'm not sure we will. Thanks so much, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic
The probiotics might be a good idea - some good bacteria in the tummy/ gut, and certainly providing nutrients. Might try syringing some chicken/turkey baby food too. Sometimes just getting something into the belly helps. Good luck - sending good vibes for Spanky. Gloria On Nov 21, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Stacy Zacher wrote: Hi Tracey: Thanks for your reply. I actually do trust my main vet, he is very open minded and looks at all my research and does research as well, and he actually does acupuncture and chinese herbs. He referred me to the specialist/derm once so she could have a look at his lesions and see if she thought they were cancerous. she suggested biopsy/ surgery which he would never be able to tolerate so we opted to try the neoplasene. It did shrink 3 of them after just one application but then I elected to not salve again right away in his present condition. He's not any better today and just looking really terrible. I'm going to see if I can try to get him into the vet. I am not sure if he has an infection, is more anemic or if he's just tired of fighting. In any case, it is very frustrating and disheartening and you just feel helpless and hopeless seeing your furbaby like this. As far as him eating, he used to eat wellness grain free canned and dry. Now he eats whatever I can get him to eat which isn't much at all. I've been syringing food into him this past week and giving fluids. Even with the appetite stimulant, he's not very interested in food. I understand the importance of a high quality diet/ nutrition but if he won't eat, I have to just try to get him to eat something. Purrs, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com --- On Sun, 11/21/10, Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 6:24 AM Hi Stacy, It seems to me you care very much about Spanky and want to do the very best for him just like I would. It also sounds like you don't trust your vets so much. I would suggest a holistic vet. I am very leery of all the conventional meds as well and tend to think they may do more harm than good, and they sometimes tend to mask the symptoms and not really cure the underlying problem. I really don't like to give antibiotics, but if I absolutely had to, I would also give them a probiotic as well to keep the good bacteria in check. Most vets carry Fortiflora that you can add to their food. I have been lucky with my felv+ kitty so far (and my other 4 neg's who range in age from 3-13), but I attribute their awesome health to their homemade raw diet which they have been on for over 2 years now...it really has changed their life and mine...I wonder what you are feeding. To me, diet is extremely important. I'm sure this advice doesn't help much right now, and I understand being hesitant to give them something that may cause yet another issue. I wish you and Spanky well. Tracey On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi: Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and using his litter box - again when I get him up and take him near it. His gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per day. When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since we did the neoplasene salve on him. Now I am wondering if I should try giving him the antibiotic anyway just in case. I gave him fluids for the past 2 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml because he's not drinking very much. In any case, I'm just looking for advice about clavamox. I don't want to make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats nauseous. also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his nose and his other 2 lesions. The vet recommended doing the salve again but at this point, I'm not sure we will. Thanks so much, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Fwd: FELV persian near Missouri and Oklahoma
This is an FELV Persian, in Bella Vista, Arkansas, the northwest part near the Missouri/Arkansas border, toward Kansas, who doesn't have much time - any options? They say they're willing to transport... Any thoughts or takers? Thanks, Gloria Begin forwarded message: On Nov 17, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Belinda Barry wrote: Sent from my MOTOBLUR™ smartphone on ATT -Original message- From: Donna gofigure umumgoodfor...@yahoo.com To: Belinda Barry bobarry1...@yahoo.com Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 15:36:23 GMT+00:00 Subject: persian Belinda, I have a problem. Over the last month I have taken in 4 persians. They all have been in rough shape and all found within a 2 block area. Appears a breeder is dumping in this area. Anyway the last one we took in yesterday and he is a very tiny male, black and white and has an old broken jaw (one of the others had a broken jaw too). Anyway he is a young guy (approx. 8 months old) and skin and bones. Took him to the vet yesterday as he looked awful and found out he has feline Luek. Did not know if you knew someone that would take a persian with leuk. I will hang on to him till tommorow and if you know anyone we will neuter him and get him ready to go. Let me know and I understand if you do not know anyone. This is a hard one. Thanks, Donna ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Add my Chloe (FELV) to the Bridge list
My Chloe died today - she's a gray and white FELV kitty, a lovely and sweet kitty. I got her in Sept 2005, from a lady in Oklahoma named Jennifer. Jennifer had been a vet tech, and had FELV cats, but when her baby developed serious problems and she needed to pass her specia needs cats on to someone else, and I took them. One by one they have passed on. Chloe was the last - she was 15 or 16, claws had grown out, and she was having some kidney problems. Fall is so dry, it seems to be hard on kidney cats. Chloe was a sweetie and had a soft and gentle passing. I kept covering her and trying to keep her hydrated and warm, but she said no mom, I don't want the cover on me. Sleep soft sweet Chloe. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Add my Chloe (FELV) to the Bridge list
Thank you so much, Sara, that's very special. Gloria On Oct 11, 2010, at 6:58 PM, Sara Kasteleyn wrote: Gloria, your loving tribute to Chloe has brought tears to my eyes. Bless you for taking such good care of this sweet girl. We will light a candle tonight to light her way, and to honor your love for her. Sara -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 4:53 PM To: Feline Leukemia Subject: [Felvtalk] Add my Chloe (FELV) to the Bridge list My Chloe died today - she's a gray and white FELV kitty, a lovely and sweet kitty. I got her in Sept 2005, from a lady in Oklahoma named Jennifer. Jennifer had been a vet tech, and had FELV cats, but when her baby developed serious problems and she needed to pass her specia needs cats on to someone else, and I took them. One by one they have passed on. Chloe was the last - she was 15 or 16, claws had grown out, and she was having some kidney problems. Fall is so dry, it seems to be hard on kidney cats. Chloe was a sweetie and had a soft and gentle passing. I kept covering her and trying to keep her hydrated and warm, but she said no mom, I don't want the cover on me. Sleep soft sweet Chloe. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 5521 (20101011) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] faint pos on snap test, neg on IFA
Got it - thanks Kelley! Gloria On Sep 2, 2010, at 2:09 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: From what I've found light pos is either an error on the part of the tech or a bad test. The IFA is a much more conclusive test. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.netwrote: Thank you so much - this is a great group, as always, and I really appreciate the replies. This is my take, re your comment Natalie. With FIV, the snap test is for antibodies in the blood. Kittens of an FIV mom, when they are nursing, can take in the mothers FIV antibodies. It's different for FELV, the test is for Antigens, and apparently the transmission of the virus is not the same. Kittens of an FIV mom are very likely to get the antigens but not the virus, depending on when mom was infected. Our rescue has seen this happen many times - kittens of an FIV mom invariably go negative before they're a year old - yeaa! With FELV, as I recall its different, I think (but not sure) that some of the kittens can actually get the virus from mom, but can throw it off as their immune systems develop. This is just on memory, so if somebody knows, please correct me. So I'm gather that perhaps the antigens hadn't cleared yet at the time of the snap, and Linda seemed to agree with that. Anyhow, this is a 1.5 yr old cat, so the question is, with a light pos on Elisa snap test, and a negative on the followup IFA test, what does it mean? MC responded and said it could also be a bad snap test. Or bad procedures for testing. Also asked at what interval were the tests done? So I'm going to check out exactly when the tests were done and what brand were the tests and who did them. But what I'm also hearing, is if neg on the followup IFA, then kitty is neg regardless of the snap. Yes? I've been asked to take this kitty, so am exploring my options. I know if he's FELV it's unlikely he'll get adopted so he'll be a permanent resident. I already have several FELV cats, and have no fear of the virus, even mixed with healthy cats, vaccinated or not, but just have to be prepared for adding another cat. My FELV's are healthy too, I haven't lost one in a while, and I'm amazed at that. But I know, if he's not FELV, he'll get adopted in a month cause he's so gorgeous! So trying to make sense of the data to tell if he's actually FELV or not. Again thanks I appreciate your help and support. This is a wonderful group, always has been, a great resource. I'll check more into the tests that were used on Bicford and let you know. Gloria On Sep 1, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Natalie wrote: Whenever this happened to me with kittens that were tested for FIV, I was told that they had most likely been born to FIV+ mothers and as their immune systems developed, they would shed the faint positives.and they ALWAYS did! I don't know if that's the case with FeLV. I have two young adult cats that are FeLV+, but absolutely no symptoms and healthy as a horse! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:30 PM To: Feline Leukemia Subject: [Felvtalk] faint pos on snap test, neg on IFA I've been asked about a cat here in Arkansas - a Persian named Bicford, that is about 1.5 yrs old, and tested faint positive on the snap test (Elisa), but negative on the IFA. I gather that means that Bicford has been exposed, so has antigens, but doesn't have the virus in his blood? I'm confused. Can someone help me with interpreting what that means? Thanks, Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] faint pos on snap test, neg on IFA
I've been asked about a cat here in Arkansas - a Persian named Bicford, that is about 1.5 yrs old, and tested faint positive on the snap test (Elisa), but negative on the IFA. I gather that means that Bicford has been exposed, so has antigens, but doesn't have the virus in his blood? I'm confused. Can someone help me with interpreting what that means? Thanks, Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] faint pos on snap test, neg on IFA
Thank you so much - this is a great group, as always, and I really appreciate the replies. This is my take, re your comment Natalie. With FIV, the snap test is for antibodies in the blood. Kittens of an FIV mom, when they are nursing, can take in the mothers FIV antibodies. It's different for FELV, the test is for Antigens, and apparently the transmission of the virus is not the same. Kittens of an FIV mom are very likely to get the antigens but not the virus, depending on when mom was infected. Our rescue has seen this happen many times - kittens of an FIV mom invariably go negative before they're a year old - yeaa! With FELV, as I recall its different, I think (but not sure) that some of the kittens can actually get the virus from mom, but can throw it off as their immune systems develop. This is just on memory, so if somebody knows, please correct me. So I'm gather that perhaps the antigens hadn't cleared yet at the time of the snap, and Linda seemed to agree with that. Anyhow, this is a 1.5 yr old cat, so the question is, with a light pos on Elisa snap test, and a negative on the followup IFA test, what does it mean? MC responded and said it could also be a bad snap test. Or bad procedures for testing. Also asked at what interval were the tests done? So I'm going to check out exactly when the tests were done and what brand were the tests and who did them. But what I'm also hearing, is if neg on the followup IFA, then kitty is neg regardless of the snap. Yes? I've been asked to take this kitty, so am exploring my options. I know if he's FELV it's unlikely he'll get adopted so he'll be a permanent resident. I already have several FELV cats, and have no fear of the virus, even mixed with healthy cats, vaccinated or not, but just have to be prepared for adding another cat. My FELV's are healthy too, I haven't lost one in a while, and I'm amazed at that. But I know, if he's not FELV, he'll get adopted in a month cause he's so gorgeous! So trying to make sense of the data to tell if he's actually FELV or not. Again thanks I appreciate your help and support. This is a wonderful group, always has been, a great resource. I'll check more into the tests that were used on Bicford and let you know. Gloria On Sep 1, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Natalie wrote: Whenever this happened to me with kittens that were tested for FIV, I was told that they had most likely been born to FIV+ mothers and as their immune systems developed, they would shed the faint positives.and they ALWAYS did! I don't know if that's the case with FeLV. I have two young adult cats that are FeLV+, but absolutely no symptoms and healthy as a horse! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:30 PM To: Feline Leukemia Subject: [Felvtalk] faint pos on snap test, neg on IFA I've been asked about a cat here in Arkansas - a Persian named Bicford, that is about 1.5 yrs old, and tested faint positive on the snap test (Elisa), but negative on the IFA. I gather that means that Bicford has been exposed, so has antigens, but doesn't have the virus in his blood? I'm confused. Can someone help me with interpreting what that means? Thanks, Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?
Thanks, agreed here. We've always had such a great, supportive and informative list here on FELVtalk. And although there are some disagreements, this particular topic has been helpful. Gloria On Aug 27, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Barb Moermond wrote: I think that in order to keep this a civil and safe place to exchange information, we need to please address any issues we have with other list-members directly to them - off list. It's also a good idea to evaluate whether it's the content of the message that irks or the way it is being perceived - and then to also remember that plain text does not convey any other secondary communication - body language, tone etc. my .02 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 4:13:01 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay? Also, you are coming across in e-mails as very abrasive. You are not the only one that rescues/cares for/knows about FeLV and you should respect other people's perspectives and experiences. I gave her an 'What I would do' scenario based on my personal experiences. I have been on this list for many many years and perhaps do not respond as much as you do but am in no way a novice when it comes to these matters. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] hemobartonella and possible FeLV interested party inNY!
I had the same experience with a non FELV cat. Gloria On Jul 19, 2010, at 10:29 AM, POTT, BEVERLY wrote: Rachel- my Felv cat had hemobartonella, and was put on doxycycline for a month- it has cleared up completely. -Original Message- From: rache20...@aol.com [mailto:rache20...@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] hemobartonella and possible FeLV interested party in NY! I have 2 questions! One fl\or Paola and one for Beth. Paola, I would love to know who in NY is even somewhat interested in an FeLV+ cat as I have one who may or may not need a home and I just brought 2 kittens to a sanctuary yesterday, and I owuld love for them to have a real home (I live in NY). Also, Beth, I just had my rescue cat who has FeLV diagnosed today with hemobartonella and I have a really bad feeling about it. She is not eating well, is depressed, lost 1.5 lbs in a little over a month (and she was skinny before). She was 5.5lbs and is now 4 lbs. I'm really worried and sad for her and I want to do all I can to help, but I don't want to make her suffer, and I have three of my own cats to worry about plus all the other rescues. This is getting very costly! So if you know of something that might help the hemobartonella, please let me know! Thanks Rachel ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
I mix positives and negatives also, and don't have problems. I am watchful about kittens though, but I don't often have kittens. Gloria On Jul 13, 2010, at 1:18 AM, Sharyl wrote: Paola, I mix my positive with my negatives in my home. I have had a total of 8 positives inside with my negatives over the last 3 yrs. All except 1 have crossed the Rainbow Bridge. My negatives are kept current on their FeLV vaccine. Each cat there own food plate but they don't always eat from their own plate. All my negative cats were adults when I started mixing. It is my understanding that kittens are more susceptible than adult cats. It is an individual decision each of us makes. I choose to mix and make the time my positives had as enjoyable for them as possible. Sharyl --- On Tue, 7/13/10, paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com wrote: From: paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 12:17 AM a question, I saw posts from 2 people having FeLV+ cats in the house with non affected cats. How do you gys manage that? I just rescued a stray that turned out to be incredibly sweet and FeLV+ but I have 6 others that are indoor/outdoor so they are all vaccinated for FeLV but since it's not 100% I am keeping rescue kitty in the garage and hoping to find someone with a closed household willing to take him as a sole cat or an additional cat to a household with another FeLV+ cat. Having no luck so far (found a possible person with 2 infected cats in NY but I'm in Los Angeles) I'm looking into what I must do if I keep him and for this I also joined this listserv. Do you have them mingle? I figure food dishes should definitely be kept separate. My cats are indoor/outdoor and I caught a feral last year who was also FeLV+ so I'm thinking it's been going around and if they were likely to catch it they might have already done so? I know it's not an exact science but this cat's desperate about being left alone in a room, I sit with him for a while but when I leave he cries for a really long time. Sorry for the long post. thanks Paola From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 4:48:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING We are a huge shelter with cats mingling in rooms. I guess if you could hold each cat for 6 months retest before introducing them to other cats you may be safe, but I don't see how any shelter could take that chance. While we require our adopted cats to be indoor only, someone could rescue a cat from outside introduce it without testing. Most people don't know enough about FeLV to understand what risks they can put their cats through. I vaccinate mine because I have FeLV cats in the house. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 3:51 PM I am curious about vaccinating them. I usually leave that up to the adopter...my vet recommends agst the vaccine unless the cat is going to go outside. I have not vaccinated my last cat and won't vaccinate the one I am bringing home today. My others were vaccinated several times before I discontinued FeLV vaccinations. I test twice before introducing them and that makes me comfortable with introducing them. (Mine are all negative - things might be different if I had a FeLV positive living here). Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 2:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING Really...I got blasted for it by some very fair trusted people! Be interested in hearing what happens with this, first and foremost, hope the cats recover well. On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From a vet to whom I sent the warning: Fort Dodge is notorious for questionable vaccine products. I will not use them - too many problems with them over the years. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING I'm so glad that all are OK! I don't trust any vaccines - besides, all vaccines do not guarantee anything; they are only 80% effective according to my vet. I assume that these
Re: [Felvtalk] vets
But there's someone else, o great white brainey one... Gloria On Jul 3, 2010, at 12:45 PM, MaryChristine wrote: duh. i know that michelle is in NJ. i even know that she's in the part of NJ that's near NYC. putting those facts together, however, well -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vets
OK I cant stop laughing... On Jul 3, 2010, at 1:00 PM, MaryChristine wrote: there IS a members list last i checked--durned if i remember how to get there. but that might spark fading memory cells. brainey one? i'm sorry, i thought that coherent thought was optional in rescue. On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: But there's someone else, o great white brainey one... Gloria On Jul 3, 2010, at 12:45 PM, MaryChristine wrote: duh. i know that michelle is in NJ. i even know that she's in the part of NJ that's near NYC. putting those facts together, however, well -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue ( www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vets
Well we've got a New Yorker on the list or did, now I forget who! Gloria On Jul 1, 2010, at 4:35 PM, CATHERINE DIDONNA wrote: Can anyone recommend a vet that cares about FELV cats in New York City? Thankyou --- On Wed, 6/30/10, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness- Revolution used? and update To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 1:21 PM Amy, based on what you have written I wouldn't worry about the high Ca right now. What was his phos level? There is an issue when both Ca and Phos are high but again that wouldn't affect his hind legs. It could be the anemia. In the end we do what we can with the resources we have. He's lucky to have you loving him. Sharyl --- On Wed, 6/30/10, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness- Revolution used? and update To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 12:12 PM No idea why he has hind leg weakness. I'll researched all the causes and none seem to apply other than the leukemia. He has had routine blood work every 6 months of his life and we have monitored him very closely as we do all our positive cats. No major problems other than some weight loss and IBD over the past couple years. I don't think I've ever taken one of my positive cats to the vet that some level hasn't been off. Historically when I've drawn more blood or done further testing, it always ends up being nothing. I spend lots of money and put the cats through lots of testing and then 6 months later, the value is normal again. I've just grown to step back and not flip out every time I see a low or high value for that reason. I have to say I still feel sick every time I see the HCT drop in one of them though. So that's my hesitation with taking 3 ml of blood from a non-regenerative anemic cat. He just had a full CBC/Chem which is not a small amount of blood and I'm afraid to draw so much blood again when I think his time with me is limited to begin with. The only thing I can come up with as a cause of the hind leg weakness is long term steroid use. I read that it's more common with injectable steroids so not sure if it even applies to pred. He's been on pred for almost a year. However, I have no doubt that it is the one thing that has kept him alive. Neither me or the specialist I'm seeing are even considering taking him off that as I have no doubt he will crash. We tried weaning him off it a year ago after treating him for hemobart and he started going downhill quickly. That said, his bone marrow is shot. He's been non-regenerative for over a year and making red blood cells from his spleen or elsewhere. We knew he couldn't do this forever so I'm not shocked at where we are, just sad. Since he's been anemic for a year and holding steady, I guess the weakness could be a result of the anemia as well. Yet he doesn't seem weak otherwise really. He sleeps a lot and yes it's obvious he doesn't keep up with the other cats but not so weak that it takes too much energy to walk in my opinion. His liver and kidney values are all normal. Appetite is normal. No signs of lymphoma after 2 ultrasounds, probably has IBD and is on EVO which seems to have helped keep that in check. His calcium is just over normal - 11.6 with normal being 8.2-11.5. I looked at blood work from all my other cats and they all run towards the high end, 10 or higher. So I'm weighing the risk worth the benefit of drawing another 3 ml of blood to see if he's really got a high calcium vs just waiting it out and if he's around in a month or so, rechecking it then. Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome. Thank you everyone for all the suggestions. My gut tells me that he is close to the point of losing his battle with this disease. I always try to keep hope and remain optimistic but watching one cat after another be taken down by this disease, it's hard to keep the faith sometimes. Fingers crossed, Wolfie will pull through this and defy the odds as he has until now. Amy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bugsy Please add the the CLS :(
I'm so sorry, Sherry, you were fortunate to have each other. Your lovely boy will be welcomed to the Bridge by all of our lovely kitty angels. Gloria On Jun 29, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: My heart is heavy yet once again.Bugsy (Bugaboo) lost his battle today.He was at the Sids sanctuary back when I started in 2005.He was a sweet quiet big black boy.But in the last few months he started to decline and was not so quite the big boy.But he had a BIG BOY appetite.Just last night I fed him almost 2 cans of friskies and some baby food.We sure did spoil him his last days with us.I will miss you my Bugaboo,so happy I got to tell him I loved him last night before I left. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon
Thanks, Gary! I looked at the Franck web site, not a great web site I might add, very disappointing. No link for veterinary products, none for interferon that I could find. I went to IslandPharmacy.com, and no interferon. Too bad they aren't available any longer. For those interested, Tally was on this group a few years ago and still has some information on interferon and FELV on her web site. You can check it out at http://www.tallyville.com/stomatitis.html Gloria On Jun 27, 2010, at 6:45 PM, gary wrote: Island Pharmacy was bought out by Franck's Pharmacy some time ago and I heard then that Franck's would be doing the interferon, they are in Ocala, FL. You could call Island and ask them, maybe it was just temporary. Franck's website is www.francks.com. Gary -- From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 5:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon So Island doesn't sell it anymore? There's also 3 on 3 off protocol. I used to do daily tho. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:45 PM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: According to Island Pharmacy - they use to compound a lot of interferon, but no longer do it - it was not recommended to freeze the final dilution of interferon, just keep it in the fridge, they always said it was good for 90 days that way. The dosage for cats is 30 IU a day. The compound you have is made to have 1 ml equal 60 IU, so to get the correct daily dosage of 30 IU, you would use only . 5 ml. Whether you use a protocol with a daily dosage, or the 7 on 7 off protocol is a choice you have to make. I don't know how your interferon is packaged, but if you do not need a needle to withdraw it and can use just an oral syringe, I would Google for a 1 ml oral syringe with cap. Most of the syringes listed as oral syringes will not accept a needle, so they are not dual purpose. Gary -- From: Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon Hi: I received a bottle of interferon from my vet. He told me it was a 90 day supply but it says discard after 30 days on the bottle. I know many posts have said that you draw it up into syringes and then freeze and I know it doesn't last long. I'm guessing I need to do that but my vet told me to call the compounding pharmacy that diluted it and sent it and just make sure. The bottle says Interferon Alpha 2B 60 IU/ML 45 ML give .5 ML by mouth once daily. I thought I had read most people are giving 1 ML daily or 7 on 7 off? This came from US Compounding with an address in Conway AZ. I didn't get much instruction with the bottle! So I am wondering about freezing and then do you know of any economic sites where I can buy the 1 ML syringes in a box off 100 and the syringe caps? I am also looking for empty small gelcaps. Thanks! Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon
Yeah, it's my understanding that it needs to get to the tissue in the back of the throat for absorption there... Will have to look at the laser treatments, haven't read that. Gloria On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:50 PM, gary wrote: Of course, you could always make your own and have a lifetime supply for under $100. I would disagree with one statement made on Tally's site, she says you can mix the interferon with food. I had always heard that the interferon is absorbed through the mucous membranes and once it got to the stomach it was useless. Island said not to freeze the final dilution and it appears Tally did that with no problem. It may be that Island Pharmacy just didn't want you to be able to keep it more than 90 days. If you were using the 7 on, 7 off protocol, a 90 day supply would last 180 days if you froze the extra. I thought the info in the lasaer treatments was very interesting. Gary -- From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 8:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Thanks, Gary! I looked at the Franck web site, not a great web site I might add, very disappointing. No link for veterinary products, none for interferon that I could find. I went to IslandPharmacy.com, and no interferon. Too bad they aren't available any longer. For those interested, Tally was on this group a few years ago and still has some information on interferon and FELV on her web site. You can check it out at http://www.tallyville.com/stomatitis.html Gloria On Jun 27, 2010, at 6:45 PM, gary wrote: Island Pharmacy was bought out by Franck's Pharmacy some time ago and I heard then that Franck's would be doing the interferon, they are in Ocala, FL. You could call Island and ask them, maybe it was just temporary. Franck's website is www.francks.com. Gary -- From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 5:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon So Island doesn't sell it anymore? There's also 3 on 3 off protocol. I used to do daily tho. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:45 PM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: According to Island Pharmacy - they use to compound a lot of interferon, but no longer do it - it was not recommended to freeze the final dilution of interferon, just keep it in the fridge, they always said it was good for 90 days that way. The dosage for cats is 30 IU a day. The compound you have is made to have 1 ml equal 60 IU, so to get the correct daily dosage of 30 IU, you would use only . 5 ml. Whether you use a protocol with a daily dosage, or the 7 on 7 off protocol is a choice you have to make. I don't know how your interferon is packaged, but if you do not need a needle to withdraw it and can use just an oral syringe, I would Google for a 1 ml oral syringe with cap. Most of the syringes listed as oral syringes will not accept a needle, so they are not dual purpose. Gary -- From: Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon Hi: I received a bottle of interferon from my vet. He told me it was a 90 day supply but it says discard after 30 days on the bottle. I know many posts have said that you draw it up into syringes and then freeze and I know it doesn't last long. I'm guessing I need to do that but my vet told me to call the compounding pharmacy that diluted it and sent it and just make sure. The bottle says Interferon Alpha 2B 60 IU/ML 45 ML give .5 ML by mouth once daily. I thought I had read most people are giving 1 ML daily or 7 on 7 off? This came from US Compounding with an address in Conway AZ. I didn't get much instruction with the bottle! So I am wondering about freezing and then do you know of any economic sites where I can buy the 1 ML syringes in a box off 100 and the syringe caps? I am also looking for empty small gelcaps. Thanks! Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please light a candle for Taj
I'm so sorry Sara, he's welcomed at the bridge by all our dear kitties who have gone before. Calawalla Banana Booboo, Mittens, Mr. Black Kitty, Bob, Oliver, will all play happily with him. Gloria On Jun 22, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Sara Kasteleyn wrote: Dear friends, I had hoped to avoid writing this note for a very, very long time. Our blue-eyed bengal boy Taj is napping at the bridge this afternoon. He developed breathing trouble over the weekend, and today we discovered that he had a massive tumor pressing into his lungs. Heroic measures to extend his life would have been selfish, and given the underlying FeLV+ diagnosis, unlikely to have improved his quality of life. He was a brave boy, hiding his discomfort from us for so long. He lived a very short life, only 14 months, but he was loved and pampered in the extreme. His sister, Rani, shares the FeLV+ diagnosis. We pray she will be with us much longer. My thanks to each of you for your fabulous advice and willingness to share what you have learned along this difficult and often sad path. Sara ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] was Blind/Deaf Cat - now FIV and vets
You got that right - vet views differ radically, which I'm sure many of us experience. For example, A couple of years ago a vet up in the heights, a nice part of Little Rock, isolated an FIV mama cat in a closet because he was afraid to place her anywhere near other cats. He recommended euthanization. Fortunately, the lady who found her didn't do it and brought her back home. Nice to hear some more confirmation on FIV kittens going negative, that's what we've experienced also. I think it was MC who said they always mixed FIV and FELV at the sanctuary she was with in Michigan, and never any problems. Gloria On Jun 19, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Natalie wrote: Veterinarians' views differ: My veterinarian who also practices holistic, herbal, nutritional medicine does not like to vaccinate FeLV or FIV positive cats too often due to their compromised immune systems. All vaccines are only 80% effective, and over-vaccinating being a strong probable reason for those immune diseases, it can often do more harm than help. The problem with vaccinating healthy cats with the FIV vaccine is that all future tests will show them to be positive, whether they are or not. As I wrote before, I have never had any problems with mixing FIV+ cats with healthy cats, as long as they got along! In the past 18 years, I have had at least 12 FIV+ cats that gave birth to kittens that have never been infected and went on to live healthy and long lives after they were adopted. One of those cats, at age 13, developed cancer and the owner went all out on medical care - cat is in remission now. I have had a FeLV+ male cat for the past two years - I kept him separate because I don't like mixing FeLV and FIV together. I had the hardest time finding a home for him because FeLV+ cats are almost immediately killed and so many vets even recommend to owners that they euthanize their positive pet. I finally decided to look around for another FeLV+ cat for companyit took ages; I finally found one in NJ (I'm in CT). After one night being in separate cages next to one another, they are sharing a nice large condo and have become the best of buddies. My vet always says vaccinate according to a cat's lifestyle - if it goes outside, it obviously needs all the protection available; if it's an indoor cat, vaccinate only what is required by the state - rabies! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 10:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] was Blind/Deaf Cat - now FIV and vets I agree, totally. Hooray for your vet! On Jun 18, 2010, at 7:40 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, THANK GOD FOR MY VET. HE SAYS IF YOU KEEP THE NEGATIVES HEALTHY AND UP TO DATE ON SHOTS IT IS OKAY AND HE IS WILLING TO READ/LISTEN TO ANYTHING I BRING HIM. trmckel...@charter.net wrote: I couldn't agree more with you, Sharyl. Lots of vets think PTS first with FeLV and FIV. I often think they just don't know any better. The first option my vet offered with my first FeLV+, a beautiful blue-eyed Ragdoll, was PTS, and my vet is very progressive. I also said no way, Selena had already wrapped me around her little paw :-), we'll find other options. I found out about LTCI via websearch, got my vets on board, and now my vets are believers after using it to save an FIV positive male they were pretty sure wasn't going to make it. They wouldn't have known to try it if I hadn't pushed it in the first place. Terry Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: = A lot depends on the age of the negative cats. Kittens seem more susceptible. I am one of those that has mixed positives and negatives for almost 3 yrs. But my negatives were current on their FeLV vaccine before I started mixing and they get annual booster shots. It really is an individual decision. My 1st vet wanted to PTS Sissy and Rocket just because they were FeLV+. Then she wanted to notify AC to kill all the cats in the colony I rescued them from. Told her no way were we going to kill Sissy and Rocket and no way was I telling anyone where the colony was. PETA is another group intent on killing all FeLV kitties. Some never mix and some mix very successfully. I my case I was bringing positive kittens into a home with vaccinated adult negatives. 7 of my 8 positive kittens have now crossed the Rainbow Bridge and there has been to issues with my negative cats. Sharyl --- On Mon, 6/14/10, brooklynnat...@charter.net brooklynnat...@charter.net wrote: From: brooklynnat...@charter.net brooklynnat...@charter.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blind/Deaf Cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: dlg...@windstream.net Date: Monday, June 14, 2010, 7:38 PM My vet totally discourages putting them together. He said there is too much risk. I have 7
Re: [Felvtalk] Blind/Deaf Cat
You know, I'm surprised that the suggest even 'considering' vaccinating FIV- cats that live with FIV + cats... Even if they fight. My adult cats lay around and sleep all the time, and even if someone decides to fight, it's never anything that produces a deep bite wound, which is what it takes to pass on FIV. Gloria On Jun 19, 2010, at 3:46 PM, MaryChristine wrote: for everyone, i'll post this again: this is the link to the amer assn of feline practitioners guidelines for management of feline retrovirii, and contains further links to both the summaries and the full guidelines. everyone dealing with a positive kitty should read this, and should sit and watch their vet read it it's a phenomenal resource, complete with circles and arrows on the back (ie, a great bibliography.) http://www.catvets.com/professionals/guidelines/publications/index.aspx?ID=323 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] was Blind/Deaf Cat - now FIV and vets
I agree, totally. Hooray for your vet! On Jun 18, 2010, at 7:40 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, THANK GOD FOR MY VET. HE SAYS IF YOU KEEP THE NEGATIVES HEALTHY AND UP TO DATE ON SHOTS IT IS OKAY AND HE IS WILLING TO READ/LISTEN TO ANYTHING I BRING HIM. trmckel...@charter.net wrote: I couldn't agree more with you, Sharyl. Lots of vets think PTS first with FeLV and FIV. I often think they just don't know any better. The first option my vet offered with my first FeLV+, a beautiful blue-eyed Ragdoll, was PTS, and my vet is very progressive. I also said no way, Selena had already wrapped me around her little paw :-), we'll find other options. I found out about LTCI via websearch, got my vets on board, and now my vets are believers after using it to save an FIV positive male they were pretty sure wasn't going to make it. They wouldn't have known to try it if I hadn't pushed it in the first place. Terry Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: = A lot depends on the age of the negative cats. Kittens seem more susceptible. I am one of those that has mixed positives and negatives for almost 3 yrs. But my negatives were current on their FeLV vaccine before I started mixing and they get annual booster shots. It really is an individual decision. My 1st vet wanted to PTS Sissy and Rocket just because they were FeLV+. Then she wanted to notify AC to kill all the cats in the colony I rescued them from. Told her no way were we going to kill Sissy and Rocket and no way was I telling anyone where the colony was. PETA is another group intent on killing all FeLV kitties. Some never mix and some mix very successfully. I my case I was bringing positive kittens into a home with vaccinated adult negatives. 7 of my 8 positive kittens have now crossed the Rainbow Bridge and there has been to issues with my negative cats. Sharyl --- On Mon, 6/14/10, brooklynnat...@charter.net brooklynnat...@charter.net wrote: From: brooklynnat...@charter.net brooklynnat...@charter.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blind/Deaf Cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: dlg...@windstream.net Date: Monday, June 14, 2010, 7:38 PM My vet totally discourages putting them together. He said there is too much risk. I have 7 other cats that are all healthy and I would love to be able to have them all be together but I'm afraid. I wouldn't want the healthy ones to get sick. I would feel so responsible. dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Theresa, if you felv kitty is lonely, ask your vet about mixing him with your other cats. my veet said that as long as hey are up on their shots, it is okay and mine have been mixed for 2 years now with no problems. sure does make everyone happier. brooklynnat...@charter.net wrote: I live in Black Mountain NC and would be more than happy to give him a home. I'm really not too familiar with how things are done here but I have a male that I rescued from outside that has feline leukemia and I keep him separated from my other cats. I'm sure he would be happy for the company. Let me know if you think it might work. Theresa Palumbo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] OT: blind deaf cat
I just took in a blind-deaf cat, was one of 25 or so in a lady's house. The lady became disabled, developed dementia, and our rescue took some of her cats. This one first was taken to the city animal services, developed a URI, got about over it, was altered, tested and shots, and we pulled him. He (?) was transferred to a different cage, then to my carrier, then to my home and a large cage. He's not too friendly, although I can at times pet him on the head and scratch his ears. We think it's just because of the changes in his life, that he just doesn't know what's going on and if he needs to defend himself. I haven't had a blind or deaf cat before. Does anyone know of a rescue that will take a blind-deaf cat? I found one in North Carolina, but I'm in Arkansas. Thanks very much, Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tommy is gone
I am so sorry, Lisa. Sweet dreams to our baby Tommy. Gloria On May 8, 2010, at 8:40 AM, Lisa Borden wrote: Just a note to let you know that Tommy lost his battle with FeLV on Tuesday. I still cannot believe how quickly it took over, and by Tuesday morning he was so weak and his eyes were so empty. It was like his soul had left his little body. He was extremely anemic and his liver enzymes were elevated. I do know that recently, he had ceased to be happy, and that was really bothering me. He passed away Tuesday morning in my arms as he got the medicine that helped him to an eternal sleep. I want to thank everyone for the information on this list, because even though I didn't post often I did read the list frequently. I have to believe that he had a year and a half with me that he might not have had with someone else. I will continue to pray for you and your furbabies. May something be discovered to help these kitties. Much love, Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Donate to FuRR! Help 20 cats in Heber Springs! http://teamfurr.chipin.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
Impressive and interesting. On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:53 AM, jbero tds.net wrote: Okay, I am always questioning people that claim a cure, but here is a small study done that caused a man to patent the treatment concerning felv. This a group dedicated to looking into any avenue that may help our little ones, so I'm putting this out there. I copied and pasted this from the patent: notes: 1) One cat with FELV(+)/FIV(+) died without the treatment as a control. 2) Treatments: Cats were injected intramuscularly with 20 mg DEPOMEDROL (antiinflammatory steroid) and dispensed with 1,200 mg powdered Nacetyl cysteine(NAC), 200 IU of Vitamin E, 500 mg of Vitamin C and one PET TAB/day. 3) It takes from 3 weeks to 6 weeks for the cats to turn retrovirus positive reaction to negative after the treatment. 4) The symptoms of Champage, Precious, and Missy such as dental problems bloody diarrhea, and loss of appetite completely subsided after the treatment with steroids/antioxidants. The symptoms of Sampson such as vomiting, gum disease, and loss of appetite completely reversed after the treatment. Josey's symptoms of lung problem, loss of appetite, and gum infection cleared up following the treatment. The cats were maintained on PET TABS following the treatment with steroid/antioxidants. 5) At the conclusion of the test all cats remained FIV or leukemia virus negative. 6) Blood was drawn for analysis from four of the cats treated (Sampson, Josey, Patch, and Bud). The analysis included cell cultures, mitogen stimulation, and polymerase chain reaction assay for the retovirus. All tests indicated the cats were fully cured as none indicated any sign of the virus. These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured in an in vivo model. That's it. If anyone's got any ideas about it or history with it, I'd love to hear it. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Donate to FuRR! Help 20 cats in Heber Springs! http://teamfurr.chipin.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv vaccine and booster
I have never heard this before and have had FELV cats since 2003, and read up on it, used to more than I do now. I seriously doubt if there's any truth to it at all. Perhaps they're getting mixed up with the FIV vaccine causing a cat to TEST positive for FIV (not turn positive though). Gloria On Apr 17, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Emma Lively wrote: Is it true that the felv vaccine can cause a cat to turn positive in the future? I heard this from a friend and it shocked me because another friend has a healthy cat who received her felv vaccine and booster last year. All her pets are indoor and outdoor animals. She has 1 cat and two dogs. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] on ringworm.
HA Love it. Gloria On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:49 PM, MaryChristine wrote: re: ringworm, your vet is uncommonly wise. if you read all the professional literature, including the small print, it all boils down to: goes away with treatment in x number of months (depending on treatment); goes away without treatment in three months. shelters and rescues all over the country KILL cats for having ringworm; many cats are immune to it, or break out once and then develop an immunity, and there seems to be a genetic component to it, too--persians and himmies will probably be shown to be predisposed to it. there's even an ingrown form of it only seen in persians, himalayans (and one dog) ringworm spores, like cockroaches, will outlive us all, and sit around campfires munching on twinkies milennia after the human race has died out. just saying. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy
Interesting. I'm always a believer in Gentian Violet for ringworm and skin problems as well as Golden Seal. I first learned about Gentian Violet because when my dad was burned in the mid 1940's they used on some of his skin problems. Then in the 1950's my grandmother said to use it on ringworm. Guess my point is it's an old remedy lol. Anyhow, I have a siamese mix kitty, Dusty Blue, who's developed these weird skin problems that developed over the winter and into spring. Too much for Gentian Violet, which rubs purple on it's surroundings; and Golden Seal didn't work. One of our vets said here try this. And it was miconazole. So whenever I see a spot developing on Dusty's back or belly, I head for the Myconazol. I don't bathe him in it, just get a wet cloth and put some on it and then on Dusty. Works great. And none of the other cats have gotten it, whatever it is. Think it's almost gone. Gloria On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Emeraldkittee wrote: thanks, Heather, yes I think it's looking like seasonal allergies since it was triggered when we had our first snow melt. I didn't know him last Spring so I cannot tell what he went thru then. good reasons to bring him in:) --- On Fri, 4/16/10, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 8:56 AM This sounds similar to a lot of allergy, or flea allergy, hair loss we've seen in outdoor cats here. Even if there aren't apparent fleas, allergic reactions can be triggered by just oneand of course, it could also be seasonal type allergies. Glad he is doing well! On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote: yes, and I brought up demodex too, but they said it wasn't that. I brought my gentian violet to show the vet and she said 'why not' - she's a great dr, because she is open to new ideas. he is a survivior :) and it's an honor to care for him:) --- On Thu, 4/15/10, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 6:50 PM This sounds very good. Did the vet ever suggest demodex mite as the cause of the itching and fur loss? My vet says it's almost impossible to test for ringworm. He doesn't even test anymore. He tends to treat small patches with human fungal cream and larger patches with an oral medication. Whimsy sounds like a survivor! Thanks for taking care of him! L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 6:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy Whimsy - (the outdoor, used to be feral FeLV little boy who had a scary jerking/twitching episode a few weeks back you might recall) - had his check up and everything was normal. His bloodwork and stool came back normal too. His skin has been his only issue - he was bald on the left side, then the right, now it's down to his tail. This is the 8th week of this, and I had figured it was ringworm. He has no fleas nor mites, and the clinic didn't think it was ringworm, but of course tested him (it's ongoing, for those who aren't familiar - they put it in a jar, and see if it grows) It may have been self limiting and somehow he cleared it. Or, it could be severe allergies. He is a long hair (so hard to be an outside baby with long fur!) and matted so severely in the winter (before I could touch him) that it's also possible this is why there was hair loss. His itching is severe but the skin now is normal (used to have lesions) He hates fish oil, I was hoping he would take it to soothe the inflamation. My vet was surprised that everything was normal, since his IFA was positive, too. Or, can it be that if the immune system is just so out of whack it can't even register in the bloodwork? His heart/lungs/lymph nodes, etc are all normal too. We think he is just under 2 years old. He lost 7 ounces, but that was since the neutering in Jan, and could be normal. He's got a set up in the shed, but likes to sleep right on the patio and back door stoop; I am also showing him the sunroom, and he's slowly checking it out, so I hope he can stay in there. He's no longer terrified of ceilings, but only cautious, and is understanding that 'inside is good'. Every time I take him to the vet, he gets more loving, like he knows we are trying to help him. I guess I will take his results as good news for now, and try to be as preventative as we can. thanks for everyone's help. He's such an adorable character, with a high pitched meeew and jade green eyes. And he knows his daddy now too, and made sure he fell in love with him too (he
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
Good luck feeding your cats dandelions with cheese and jalapeno sauce... On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:20 PM, MaryChristine wrote: i realize that there are a group of folks who insist that FIV and AIDS are totally analogous; what i've found out is that the major researchers continuing in this line are followers of the folks who first identified the virus as an individual entity in either 86 or 87, during the panic surrounding HIV/AIDS. there was nothing wrong with their thinking (hoping) they'd found an animal model that could help with the human condition, but after awhile, most researchers (and research) showed that FeLV more closely resembles HIV/AIDS than FIV does. however, the name has never been changed, and that in itself continues to kill cats everywhere. i know that they put cats on the HIV/AIDS cocktails of AZT and other drugs they use in humans; and continue to insist that the research that most researchers have come to accept is wrong. the analogy of FIV=HIV/AIDS was a great HYPOTHESIS, but that's how knowledge grows--we hypothesize something, we test it, and if the research doesn't bear it out, we update. it seems that this one group of folks who did identify FIV originally are just too invested in their original hypotheses. thanks for the link, and please do let us know what you find out. i really do want there to be a treatment or cure found, but i want it to be real, and reproducible, and verifiable! i'll feed them dandelions with cheese and jalapeno sauce if it'll work! MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 22, Issue 5
OK Thanks! On Apr 6, 2010, at 10:09 PM, nancy denison wrote: Get a hold of Casa De Los Gatos. Great group. I sponsor a FIV Tuxedo kitty named Turbo Girl. Beth Montes has pu heart and soul into it. They are in Tuscon, AZ. go to casadelosgatos.org Nancy - Original Message - From: felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:00 PM Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 22, Issue 5 Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Phoenix/Tempe? (Gloria B. Lane) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 12:17:44 -0500 From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Phoenix/Tempe? To: Feline Leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: 6246-794c-451f-bef3-184375e55...@aristotle.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Still looking know of any people to help or reputable rescues in the Phoenix/Tempe area? Gloria Begin forwarded message: From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Date: March 29, 2010 4:12:23 PM CDT To: Feline Leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] off topic: need a temp stay and ride from Phoenix/Tempearea Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Anybody in the Phoenix-Tempe , AZ, area? Someone who adopted from us (Feline Rescue and Rehome, Teamfurr.org) has financial problems, wants to give up his two cats. He adopted one from us, but they're buddies. Looking for temporary housing and a ride back to Little Rock, Arkansas! Thanks! Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 22, Issue 5 *** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Phoenix/Tempe?
Still looking know of any people to help or reputable rescues in the Phoenix/Tempe area? Gloria Begin forwarded message: From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Date: March 29, 2010 4:12:23 PM CDT To: Feline Leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] off topic: need a temp stay and ride from Phoenix/Tempearea Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Anybody in the Phoenix-Tempe , AZ, area? Someone who adopted from us (Feline Rescue and Rehome, Teamfurr.org) has financial problems, wants to give up his two cats. He adopted one from us, but they're buddies. Looking for temporary housing and a ride back to Little Rock, Arkansas! Thanks! Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] gentian violet for ringworm-how?
I have used Gentian Violet for many years for ringworm, and Golden Seal for not quite as long, and both seem to work well. No I don't dilute it, never thought of it, but you might try it. I always start with Golden Seal because it's not as , uh, purple as the Gentian Violet, ha! It's also a treatment for thrush in the mouth, but I don't think it's very tempting to use in the mouth, or lick (for a kitty). Gloria On Apr 2, 2010, at 6:45 PM, Emeraldkittee wrote: some have mentioned using this or goldenseal as a natural treatment for ringwormI assume it comes in a tincture, like goldenseal can? should it be diluted with water and applied with cotton? I assume it's ok if they lick some of it off? thank you. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] off topic: need a temp stay and ride from Phoenix/Tempe area
Anybody in the Phoenix-Tempe , AZ, area? Someone who adopted from us (Feline Rescue and Rehome, Teamfurr.org) has financial problems, wants to give up his two cats. He adopted one from us, but they're buddies. Looking for temporary housing and a ride back to Little Rock, Arkansas! Thanks! Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat
I generally clean the cut with Hydrogen Peroxide, poured directly on the cut. Then either antibiotic ointment or an herbal, Golden Seal powder or liquid. Gloria On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Linda Sollberger wrote: Hello everyone, I've been on the list for several months but haven't posted anything. My neighbor and I are taking care of 4 FeLV cats. Their mother was a stray cat in our neighborhood and had kittens in our garage. I was just trying to cut a mat out of one of them, just under her front leg, and accidentally cut her skin. I feel so bad. I've never done that before to any pet. It bled a little but its just the skin that was cut. We put some Neosporin on it and a little gauze bandage. We didn't have any gauze to wrap around the bandage to keep it on so I cut a clean Handiwipe in strips and tied it on. I'm just wondering if that's the right thing to do. Do you think I need to take her to the vet right away or can we just watch it for a few days? I don't want to stress her by taking her to the vet if I don't have to. I have 2 cats of my own and have had quite a few vet bills lately too. I don't need any more but I want to do the right thing too. How do you treat cuts in a FeLV cat? She's almost 2 years old. I'm becoming quite a worrier. We have already lost 2 of the kittens we originally had so I'm on this list to learn as much as I can. Originally my vet told us they were FIV and not FeLV but I found out too late for the first one that that's not the case. I changed vets and I have someone I can trust now. My heart and prayers go out to all of you who have lost little ones lately. I cry ever time I read about them and almost got off the list because it's so painful but I thought I better stay on to learn as much as I can. Thanks for any advice you have. Linda ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
Topically I've used Golden Seal for ringworm, and it works well. If that doesn't work I try Gentian Violet (which is very purple and messy but has always worked well). Orally I've used Grisiofulvin once or twice. I have one FIV kitty with skin issues right now and am using Sebazole (sp) and seems to work well for him. I get a wet rag and apply it topially, with warm water. Not sure what his skin problem is, though, probably not ringworm. Gloria --- Original Message --- From: Diane Tyler[mailto:drty...@spenserslegacy.org] Sent: 3/3/2010 6:23:45 PM To : felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm I've had lots of success using Program for ringworm. I've used it twice: this year and several years ago for groups of four or more cats. The dosage suggestions can be found at this website: http://www.vetinfo.com/cringwrm.html I know lots of people might not agree that this is an effective treatment, but again, it has worked for me and is certainly a lot less stressful than bathing or dipping. Good luck! Diane On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.comwrote: just wondering if anyone had a FeLV baby with ringworm? Whimsy is not inside yet, but has started to yank his own fur out - he's got a few red spots suddenly that look similiar to scraped knees in people. I'm planning on doing a skin scrape per my vet's instructions but I'm concerned if a) the test takes time to send to a lab is ok to bring him in? b) I won't be able to bathe him / nor do the sulfar dips, so it would have to be oral meds c) can I treat him while he's outside for this? I can't risk our whole household being infected especially with two other immune supressed kitties. ugh, this throws a curve ball into the plan. This just started about 1 wk ago with lesions appearing about 3 days ago. I was hoping to get him back to the vet and inside over the next week. Thanks so much, these posts are so helpful and interesting. Shannon anyone else's experiences would be interesting to hear. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Diane Tyler Spenser's Legacy Animal Rescue www.SpensersLegacy.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bernie - Uveitis
I'm so sorry to hear that. Wonder if something else could be causing the diarrhea, like giardia or something? Just thought I'd mention it. Will sure be thinking of Bernie - best of luck, Gloria --- Original Message --- From: Maria[mailto:mian...@gmail.com] Sent: 2/16/2010 10:03:07 AM To : felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc : Subject : RE: [Felvtalk] Bernie - Uveitis Hi everyone - Just asking if you guys could say a little prayer for Bernie (1 yr. 8mos FelV +) He isn't doing well and I'm afraid things could get worse soon. He was diagnosed with uveitis about 2 weeks ago. The iris is still inflamed even though we are using the predisone eye drops 3 times a day. We could do a biopsy and get a sample of the substance to see if it is lymphoma, but as of right now, I don't think I'm going to do it. I don't want to put him through that and there is a chance that the sample would be unusable. The eye specialist also said that if it is lymphoma, it is most likely somewhere else in his body as well. He is eating normally and if you start to play with him he will play a little. But his activity level is low, sleeping alot, and he won't play with his brother. He started having diarreha last night. Also, if he doesnt get his eye drops (One day i could only give it to him once), I noticed he wouldnt eat for about 12 hours and just laid around the whole day. Not sure what else to do...it kills me to see him this way. Thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Virginia Clemans article regarding Feline LeukemiaViirus
I'm looking for a link to the article... Gloria On Feb 10, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Laurieskatz wrote: If anyone is so inclined, might be good for them to hear from others. Laurie From: Estelle Munro [mailto:este...@bestfriends.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 6:38 PM To: Laurieskatz Subject: RE: Virginia Clemans article regarding Feline Leukemia Viirus Dear Laurie, I have emailed Dr. Mike about your concerns and he does not feel that the article is inaccurate. Although brief, it does not give the impression that FeLeuk is an automatic death sentence nor does it in any way encourage folks to euthanize upon diagnosis. She does encourage folks to provide good nutrition, maintain a low stress environment, and keep in touch with the vet at any sign of illness. Perhaps at some point in the future Best Friends will do a more lengthy article on Feline Leukemia. Thank you so much for your input. We appreciate that your experience has been dramatically different to what Dr Clemans described and are genuinely delighted for you and your cats. Our experience and statistics we have seen show that what Dr Clemans wrote is unfortunately more common. Best Wishes, Estelle Munro -Original Message- From: Laurieskatz [mailto:lauriesk...@mchsi.com] Sent: Sun 1/31/2010 7:22 AM To: Estelle Munro Subject: RE: Virginia Clemans article regarding Feline Leukemia Viirus Thanks but this still does not address the issue of the FeLV article scaring people and the likely unnecessary euthanizing of cats diagnosed with this disease. Will you consider printing my letter to present the other side and my own experience, please? Thank-you, Laurie Crawford Stone From: Estelle Munro [mailto:este...@bestfriends.org] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:00 PM To: Laurieskatz Subject: RE: Virginia Clemans article regarding Feline Leukemia Viirus Dear Laurie, There is a new article in the Jan/Feb 2010 issue of Best Friends magazine on FIV. I think you'll find it more in line with your thinking. Best Wishes, Estelle Munro Assistant Editor -Original Message- From: Laurieskatz [mailto:lauriesk...@mchsi.com] Sent: Tue 1/26/2010 7:21 PM To: Estelle Munro Subject: Virginia Clemans article regarding Feline Leukemia Viirus Dear Editor: The article about Feline Leukemia Virus by Virginia Clemans is inconsistent with my experience and, I believe, does a great injustice to cats diagnosed with this virus. Certainly not all cats diagnosed with FeLV have the health issues Clemans reports. I lived with two cats who were diagnosed with feline leukemia after I adopted them. Stripes lived to age 16 years. Squeaky lived to age 22 years. They were robust boy cats who lived together for 15 years. They weighed 15-16 lbs. People always commented about what big boys they were. They were playful and fully engaged in life. Stripes had an occasional undiagnosed illness that always resolved. Squeaky was never sick a day in his life until his final three weeks. Squeaky died from oral cancer. We did not determine Stripes' cause of death. My vets did not treat these cats any differently than other cats I have had. There was no alarm sounded when their tests came back positive. The information was given to me as part of a routine exam. I had no idea anyone thought this was a big deal. Certainly my vets did not think so. I rescued two other cats who tested positive for FeLV. Ollie lived to an old age, asymptomatic except for some dental issues at the time he was rescued. Bella is still alive. She is a 13 lb ball of love. She was rescued 3 years ago and was an adult cat at that time. She was anemic and had a high fever when rescued but these situations quickly resolved with medication treatment by an internal medicine specialist. Feline Leukemia does not have to be a death sentence. The kitties who test positive should be retested as there can be false positives (and false negatives). Their owners can find information and support groups on the internet (yahoo offers several groups for FeLV cat owners). In this group format they can talk to other people who live or have lived with cats with FeLV. They can get questions answered. They can learn about feeding a quality food, keeping stress to a minimum and various supplements and treatments in the event of illness. Not all the cats who test positive will be as lucky as those I mentioned here, but there is another side to this disease and there are many cats who survive and thrive with this disease. Sincerely, Laurie Crawford Stone Cedar Rapids, Iowa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Li Won has passed on
AND to share with her now-deceased mama who had her for most of those years. What a ride... Thanks to everyone, always makes me feel better to post here. Gloria On Feb 1, 2010, at 3:07 PM, MaryChristine wrote: wow, what a wonderful ride she had! i'm sorry that she had to leave you and go on to another great adventure, but just think of all the tales she's got to share with the kitties at the bridge! GLOW to heal your heart. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sweet dreams little brother
Awww, I'm so sorry about your sweet Mozart. Gloria On Jan 30, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Jason Michael Canon wrote: At 7:45 tonight Mozart finally went to sleep. Keep a light on for me little brother. Love always, Jason ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Li Won has passed on
Li Won passed from my care about 2 days ago - she was 23 year old Siamese, not FELV. I've had her for at least a couple of years maybe 3 - she belonged to a friend's mother, who had cancer and died of it. She was a sweet, beloved kitty, liked to sleep and eat - and was certainly the oldest kitty I've had. I wish her well in her journey to the bridge and am grateful that she was here. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice please?
I've never heard about 5 years being a time marker for FELV cats. I've heard that kittens born with it will tend to have more trouble living long lives than cats/kittens that acquire it after birth. All just stuff I've heard, of course, no proof. I have had several FELV cats die at around 2.5 to 3 years of age. I have 3 FELV cats that are older than 3 years old now, not sure when they got it. But one of them is 12-13 years old. At one point, I felt like daily interferon was a real help to young FELV cats less than 3 years old. But then it seemed like if the schedule changed - doses had to be missed, etc - it was a big problem. So now nobody's on interferon alpha, and partly because I'm so busy. But everybody's doing well. The last death I had was Oliver, who was 12-13-14 that age range. I don't recall losing any FELV cats at 5 years of age, and have had quite a few FELV cats. Now there are different types of FELV virus, so maybe that plays into it. Hope this helps in some way. Gloria --- Original Message --- From: Avia Rauscher[mailto:a...@rauscher.com] Sent: 1/26/2010 1:15:14 PM To : felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc : Subject : RE: [Felvtalk] Advice please? I've been a member here for a while, although I don't post much. I lost a 20 month old cat (Cinder) to FeLV a year ago. We found out her status post-mortem and through subsequent testing of my other three cats found one of them (Onyx) to be FeLV+ as well (Elisa and IFA). The other two (Horus Blackie) have been vaccinated, and will be re-tested soon. I did not separate them after learning that Onyx was + because - well, any of you who mix your +'s and -'s know why. Although there is no 100% sure way to know which cat gave the FeLV to the other, we are working on the assumption that Onyx had it to begin with and gave it to Cinder. Cinder was 9 weeks old when we adopted from ACC, and Onyx was about 20 months old at the time. I got Onyx from a pet store (lesson learned!) and she was in sad shape, only six weeks old, dehydrated, malnourished, and with coccidia. I couldn't return her to the people who allowed her to get into that condition (as suggested by the vet I used at the time), but for whatever reason, testing her for FeLV never came up. Cinder was tested at the shelter, and came back negative. Horus and Blackie both tested negative when they joined our family. At first I thought Cinder tested false negative because of her age, but in my many conversations with many, many people it seems more likely that Onyx had it from birth (or shortly after, she has never been exposed to FeLV other than with Cinder) and gave it to Cinder (they were very close as almost as soon as I brought Cinder home). Cinder developed a URI shortly after leaving the shelter, which Onyx caught, of course. Onyx had a much harder time beating the URI, part of which was due to a poorly prescribed antibiotic. I realize now that it may have been the FeLV that made it so hard for her to kick it. So, Onyx is now four years and a couple of months old. She is healthy and active, and I have been so happy that she seems to be one of those cats who lives a long time with this virus. Until I spoke to a woman from a rescue group doing cat adoptions in a nearby pet store. Through conversation I told Onyx's story and this woman kindly (hah!) informed me that the life expectancy for a cat with FeLV in the bone marrow is five years, so while I'm lucky she's survived this long, I shouldn't expect Onyx to be around a whole lot longer. Which brings me to the advice I would like: What are the chances of a cat who is FeLV+ from birth living past 5? I have been reading all the posts about LCTI, but I am not clear on whether you start when they develop symptoms or while they are still healthy. Does anyone here know if recurrent FLUTD is commonly seen in FeLV+ cats? Horus tested negative and was vaccinated, but he's lost two pounds in the last month (his appetite seems fine) and is in the middle of his third bout of FLUTD in as many months - he's also asthmatic. I am in panic mode right now. Should I re-test him early? Any advice anyone here can give me would be very much appreciated. Avia Rauscher ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Article at Bestfriends
I just saw an article at Bestfriends.org which I was surprised and disappointed about: http://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/pdfs/cats/catfelv.pdf The author includes What happens to a cat who has contracted the virus? and says The virus adversely affects the cat’s bone marrow and immune system. An infected cat becomes anemic and is unable to fight off even routine infections. Cats with feline leukemia are commonly jaundiced and lethargic, and they experience weight loss, enlarged lymph nodes, and poor stamina. It sounds like an FELV cat is going to die immediately after getting the virus. So I can see folks reading that article and then euthing their FELV kitties, thinking they're doing them a favor. The 5 FELV cats that I have now haven't seen any sickness since I've had them. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Article at Bestfriends
That's pretty sad isn't itI'm disappointed in BestFriends. On Jan 26, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Gary wrote: I wonder if the author of the article has ever actually gone to their FeLV unit and looked at the cats? I certainly hope they don't look like the article says they look, mine don't look like that and they don't all get anemia and don't all get jaundiced. The ones who do get anemia may be lethargic and jaundiced, but it is not an ongoing condition. But you never know, I once asked the vet at BF why they give a monthly sub-q shot of immuno regulin to all the FeLV cats, figured I'd get some good info on IR. WRONG!! The vet said they use it because that is what was being done when he arrived, I believe he doesn't have a clue. Gary - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:36 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Article at Bestfriends I just saw an article at Bestfriends.org which I was surprised and disappointed about: http://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/pdfs/cats/catfelv.pdf The author includes What happens to a cat who has contracted the virus? and says The virus adversely affects the cat’s bone marrow and immune system. An infected cat becomes anemic and is unable to fight off even routine infections. Cats with feline leukemia are commonly jaundiced and lethargic, and they experience weight loss, enlarged lymph nodes, and poor stamina. It sounds like an FELV cat is going to die immediately after getting the virus. So I can see folks reading that article and then euthing their FELV kitties, thinking they're doing them a favor. The 5 FELV cats that I have now haven't seen any sickness since I've had them. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lyttle Guy passed away
So sorry, James - gentle bridge vibes for sweet Lyttle Guy. Lucky kitty to pass out of this world with such kind hearted love. Gloria On Jan 25, 2010, at 4:37 AM, James G Wilson wrote: Lyttle Guy passed away in my arms at 4:18am this morning. He had series of seizures and then gasped his last breath. He was truly loved and shall be dearly missed James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (Weather for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Bridge list - SnuggleBunny and Calico
Some for the Bridge List - Susan, a rescuer here in Little Rock, just lost 2 very dear FELV kitties during the last two weeks - first SnuggleBunny, then Calico yesterday(Jan 9, 2010). I lost some beloved kitties recently - Oliver, a 13-14 year old FELV from Oklahoma that I've had for maybe 4 years, died in Dec 2009. I also lost some non-FELV kitties recently - Tillie (age 18, Oct 2009), Violet (FIV adult kitty, Nov 2009), Toby (age 14, Dec 2009). Thanks, Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Oh yeah - VOTE FOR ORANGE TABBY ALEX in the Bissell contest
Meant to include this! Please help if you can! Susan is a librarian at the Arkansas School for the BLind, and has a Library Cat who goes to school with her - hey! IF possible, please vote for ALEX- she's entered him in a Bissell contest, and if he wins it will benefit our rescue, Feline Rescue and Rehome. Thanks very much - we really appreciate it! I've included her info below -Gloria - http://mvp.bissell.com/mvp_PetDetail.aspx?id=8589935526 This is the link to follow for the Bissell Most Valuable Pet contest which Big Footsie placed in (one of the weekly contests) last year! Let's beat the over 600 votes Footsie got and send Alex to the finals! They have never had an orange tabby in the top 5 so I think he has a great chance. He can win up to $5000 for FuRR and appear on Bissell packaging for a year. The voting is a little harder this year - you have to create an account to do it. Follow the link , click on Please Log In to Vote, click on If Not a Member Click Here to Create an Account, once that is done click on VOTE, then search for Alex, click on the picture and then on the Vote tab just to the right of the tab that shows the number of votes. You do NOT have to use your email account's actual password. BUT - if this is too much hassle but you'd still like your vote to be counted, just reply to this email and say vote for me, and I can do it! Please forward to all your friends, post on Facebook, etc. We have through Thursday, JANUARY 14th to vote - there are over 3500 entries - but we can do it! Thank you so much. Alex and Susan ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bridge list - SnuggleBunny and Calico
Thanks, Diane, yes it has been sad. Gloria On Jan 10, 2010, at 12:09 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Wow, what a sad couple of months for you and Susan! Gentlest of bridge vibes to Oliver, Tillie, Violet, Toby, SnuggleBunny and Calico. I'm sure they're all at the Bridge glad to see some familiar faces but missing their moms. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridge list - SnuggleBunny and Calico Some for the Bridge List - Susan, a rescuer here in Little Rock, just lost 2 very dear FELV kitties during the last two weeks - first SnuggleBunny, then Calico yesterday(Jan 9, 2010). I lost some beloved kitties recently - Oliver, a 13-14 year old FELV from Oklahoma that I've had for maybe 4 years, died in Dec 2009. I also lost some non-FELV kitties recently - Tillie (age 18, Oct 2009), Violet (FIV adult kitty, Nov 2009), Toby (age 14, Dec 2009). Thanks, Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+ kitten needs a foster home for a month
Anybody in Philadelphia? This is from the FIVcats list - Gloria 1. Fwd: [phillytnr] -- FELV+ kitten needs a foster home for a month ON Posted by: cwynnecolly...@aol.com cwynnecolly...@aol.com whitehorsegoddess1990 Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:43 am ((PST)) In a message dated 12/19/2009 8:05:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, greenst...@aol.com writes: - Forwarded Message From: cvzra...@aol.com cvzra...@aol.com To:nee1...@yahoo.com Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 3:48:08 PM Subject: Cat Foster needed Renee- Do you know anyone who could take a feline leukemia positive cat for about a month until it can get into a rescue for cats with this disease? It could go to someone without cats or to someone who has cats, but has a separate room to keep it in. As long as the cats are separated, any cats that are negative cannot contract the disease from the positive cat. He is much more pressing than the other guys. If you are emailing about reservations for the PCCC clinics please email: cli...@phillycats.org Philadelphia Community Cats Council, President www.phillycats.org Green Street Rescue, President http://www.1-800-save-a-pet.com/shelter72272-pets.html (\___/) (= ' . ' =) ( *)___(* ) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Zapper
It would be definitely be considered alternative, Roseann. I have one at home somewhere - got it from my sister's things after her death, I'm not even sure where it is, guess I'd better find it. Gloria On Dec 20, 2009, at 7:48 PM, Roseann Fitzgerald wrote: My vet has never mentioned anything about a Zapper. Do most vets have these in their practice or are they used by vets in holistic medicine? How can you find out which vets have them? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
