Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - rest in peace
Lance, I'm so, so sorry to hear about sweet, beautiful Ember. Sounds similar to what my last 2 positive kittens had. I waited too long with the last one and wished I hadn't. You gave Ember a wonderful life and I am sure she was grateful for that. May the good times you shared together bring you some comfort during this time of grief. Thank you for sharing her story with us. Take care, Katherine On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote: Oh Lance, I am so sorry to hear about Ember. My heart goes out to you. May memories of happy times with Ember bring you some comfort. Marsha On 5/29/2014 6:19 PM, Lance wrote: What we thought was anorexia being caused by a FORL turned out to almost certainly be mediastinal lymphoma. The vet realized that Ember’s breathing was even more abnormal than the hernia had made it, and while her membranes were pale, her RBC was good. Radiography confirmed something in the area where mediastinal lymphoma (I don’t know anatomy, and the day has been a blur). There is no specialist care in this area. The closest specialist who could even remotely help is two hours away and is going on vacation for a week starting tomorrow. I could not take the risk that Ember’s condition would deteriorate over the weekend with no real help. I felt like she would either suffocate or be starved beyond good health by the time we could get diagnosed, staged, and chemo for her. I’ve always said that I wouldn’t let her suffer, and so I chose to let her go. I’ll remain subscribed, but I probably won’t be tuned in, particularly as I deal with the emotional process that lies ahead. Best to all of you and your cats, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - rest in peace
Lance, I understand what you are going through. I blame myself and the vet for not picking up on the dehydratio and how serious it was. I have learned, and the next time any cat exhibits those same symptoms I will act on my own and start water with a bit of sea salt to reestablish their electrolytes and start on raw turkey/chicken livers with a pat of butter added. When I did this, she perked up and had I caught it in time, I do believe that the tonic would have taken care of the cancer as the tumor was dying and it was oozing just like my lymphoma did. That is the only thing we can say in this situation, we have learned and can possibly prevent it from happening again. Don't beat yourself up too much. You acted on what you thought was the best treatment. Second guessing only prolongs the agony. Will keep you in my prayers. And do remember, Ember is not in pain anymore and she did understand that you loved her and were trying your best. Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote: Lance, I'm so, so sorry to hear about sweet, beautiful Ember. Sounds similar to what my last 2 positive kittens had. I waited too long with the last one and wished I hadn't. You gave Ember a wonderful life and I am sure she was grateful for that. May the good times you shared together bring you some comfort during this time of grief. Thank you for sharing her story with us. Take care, Katherine On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote: Oh Lance, I am so sorry to hear about Ember. My heart goes out to you. May memories of happy times with Ember bring you some comfort. Marsha On 5/29/2014 6:19 PM, Lance wrote: What we thought was anorexia being caused by a FORL turned out to almost certainly be mediastinal lymphoma. The vet realized that Ember’s breathing was even more abnormal than the hernia had made it, and while her membranes were pale, her RBC was good. Radiography confirmed something in the area where mediastinal lymphoma (I don’t know anatomy, and the day has been a blur). There is no specialist care in this area. The closest specialist who could even remotely help is two hours away and is going on vacation for a week starting tomorrow. I could not take the risk that Ember’s condition would deteriorate over the weekend with no real help. I felt like she would either suffocate or be starved beyond good health by the time we could get diagnosed, staged, and chemo for her. I’ve always said that I wouldn’t let her suffer, and so I chose to let her go. I’ll remain subscribed, but I probably won’t be tuned in, particularly as I deal with the emotional process that lies ahead. Best to all of you and your cats, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember-blood work concerns
Thanks, Shelley. I'll talk to the vet about diet changes. I'm looking up Weruva right now. Lance On Sep 15, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Lance, I just wanted to mention that my cat Jack, who does not have FeLV but does have heart disease and FLUTD, had high triglycerides a few years ago. That was when I was feeding grain free food with a high fat content. The vet wanted to do an abdominal ultrasound to check pancreas, etc., but I was worried about the stress if he had to be on his back, etc, with his heart disease, so even though I usually do whatever the vet suggests, I decided to just wait and recheck blood work a month or so later, and they said I could find a lower fat diet for him. Anyway, after switching to a very low fat grain free canned food, Weruva Paw-lickin Chicken, his triglycerides went back to the normal range. I think they were up in the 600's? Can't recall for sure and don't have the paperwork in front of me, and then went back to somewhere in the mid normal range. So don't really know what caused his elevated triglycerides, but guessing it might have been diet related, at least for him, since they responded to the diet change, unless was just coincidence. Shelley On Sep 13, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Lance wrote: It's been a little while since I've posted about my 11 yro FeLV+ girl, Ember. We did blood work for her in late May, and her BUN and lipase levels were elevated. Creatinine was still within normal limits. Did a urine test, and she was concentrating her urine just fine. Yesterday, I took her in for skin problems she's having, which the doc thinks is dermatitis. We also ran blood work on her. Her BUN is now 45 (was 39), creatinine still normal, lipase high, and her triglycerides are now high. I don't have numbers for everything, but the blood work results should arrive this weekend. I will probably collect urine next week to test specific gravity again. Otherwise, I'm not sure of what to do. The doc says elevated lipase indicates pancreatitis in dogs, but isn't quite as definitive in cats. I did a little reading earlier, and I saw something about adding digestive enzymes to food, and that this might help with the lipase and triglyceride levels. Has anyone done this? Also, has anyone seen high BUN with normal creatinine and good specific gravity? Please let me know what you think. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember-blood work concerns
Hi Lance, I just wanted to mention that my cat Jack, who does not have FeLV but does have heart disease and FLUTD, had high triglycerides a few years ago. That was when I was feeding grain free food with a high fat content. The vet wanted to do an abdominal ultrasound to check pancreas, etc., but I was worried about the stress if he had to be on his back, etc, with his heart disease, so even though I usually do whatever the vet suggests, I decided to just wait and recheck blood work a month or so later, and they said I could find a lower fat diet for him. Anyway, after switching to a very low fat grain free canned food, Weruva Paw-lickin Chicken, his triglycerides went back to the normal range. I think they were up in the 600's? Can't recall for sure and don't have the paperwork in front of me, and then went back to somewhere in the mid normal range. So don't really know what caused his elevated triglycerides, but guessing it might have been diet related, at least for him, since they responded to the diet change, unless was just coincidence. Shelley On Sep 13, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Lance wrote: It's been a little while since I've posted about my 11 yro FeLV+ girl, Ember. We did blood work for her in late May, and her BUN and lipase levels were elevated. Creatinine was still within normal limits. Did a urine test, and she was concentrating her urine just fine. Yesterday, I took her in for skin problems she's having, which the doc thinks is dermatitis. We also ran blood work on her. Her BUN is now 45 (was 39), creatinine still normal, lipase high, and her triglycerides are now high. I don't have numbers for everything, but the blood work results should arrive this weekend. I will probably collect urine next week to test specific gravity again. Otherwise, I'm not sure of what to do. The doc says elevated lipase indicates pancreatitis in dogs, but isn't quite as definitive in cats. I did a little reading earlier, and I saw something about adding digestive enzymes to food, and that this might help with the lipase and triglyceride levels. Has anyone done this? Also, has anyone seen high BUN with normal creatinine and good specific gravity? Please let me know what you think. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Ember-blood work concerns
It's been a little while since I've posted about my 11 yro FeLV+ girl, Ember. We did blood work for her in late May, and her BUN and lipase levels were elevated. Creatinine was still within normal limits. Did a urine test, and she was concentrating her urine just fine. Yesterday, I took her in for skin problems she's having, which the doc thinks is dermatitis. We also ran blood work on her. Her BUN is now 45 (was 39), creatinine still normal, lipase high, and her triglycerides are now high. I don't have numbers for everything, but the blood work results should arrive this weekend. I will probably collect urine next week to test specific gravity again. Otherwise, I'm not sure of what to do. The doc says elevated lipase indicates pancreatitis in dogs, but isn't quite as definitive in cats. I did a little reading earlier, and I saw something about adding digestive enzymes to food, and that this might help with the lipase and triglyceride levels. Has anyone done this? Also, has anyone seen high BUN with normal creatinine and good specific gravity? Please let me know what you think. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember-blood work concerns
dsHavven' done it for my cats for this reason, but added Forti flora for Csey and Homey who have reoccuring bouts of bladder infections. It does help both of them. Casey is 16 and Homey is 8 going on 9. Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: It's been a little while since I've posted about my 11 yro FeLV+ girl, Ember. We did blood work for her in late May, and her BUN and lipase levels were elevated. Creatinine was still within normal limits. Did a urine test, and she was concentrating her urine just fine. Yesterday, I took her in for skin problems she's having, which the doc thinks is dermatitis. We also ran blood work on her. Her BUN is now 45 (was 39), creatinine still normal, lipase high, and her triglycerides are now high. I don't have numbers for everything, but the blood work results should arrive this weekend. I will probably collect urine next week to test specific gravity again. Otherwise, I'm not sure of what to do. The doc says elevated lipase indicates pancreatitis in dogs, but isn't quite as definitive in cats. I did a little reading earlier, and I saw something about adding digestive enzymes to food, and that this might help with the lipase and triglyceride levels. Has anyone done this? Also, has anyone seen high BUN with normal creatinine and good specific gravity? Please let me know what you think. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] For Lance - Ember
What is going on with Ember? Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] For Lance - Ember
Hi Beth, Ember is doing okay. I'm still not sure about the surgery. Trying to find out more before we go into it. I'm more concerned about my parents' cat, Callie. Lance On Mon, Jun 24, 2013, at 10:53 AM, Beth wrote: What is going on with Ember? Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! [21.gif] [1]www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list [2]Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [3]http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o rg References 1. http://www.furkids.org/ 2. mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 3. http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam
Glad to hear that Gribble is doing well. It's amazing how easy it is to take normal for granted until we deal with FeLV, cancer, or any other problem. Then, normal becomes a victory and a treasure. I celebrate whenever Ember eats well. The surgeon thinks that Ember has a diaphragmatic hernia, but a radiologist is going to confirm the results of the CT scan. I'd like to get her into surgery asap, as I'm concerned her symptoms are progressing. A person with a hernia is much easier, in that you can tell them to stop doing anything laborious or challenging. Cats just keep doing whatever they've always done. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers. I'll update when we know more. Lance On May 29, 2013, at 6:48 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Lance, They are both (knocking madly on wood) doing quite well. Better than I'd expected for Gribble, he's back to normal at least for him G. Because his catheterization seems to be what activated his (apparently) dormant Leukemia, I'm hesitant to subject Mako to the stress of surgery. We're on a watch and wait. It's possible his lump has been there for a while, so who knows. His only symptoms (and what occasioned his testing) have been with his eyes, and most of that is only apparent in hindsight. I do tend to look to surgery even for cats with a mass that's likely to re-occur, if it will add to quality of life. My Pattern had oral SCC, and the growth was interfering with her eating. So it was debulked, and she was able to spend another 10 months with only minor hitches. We didn't use any kind of chemo, only because it has not been shown to have much effect on this disease. Hoping everything goes wonderfully, we're crossing fingers, toes, paws and whiskers, Margo and the Kids ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam
Hi Lance, That's a much better diagnosis! Not a happy thing, certainly, but at least it is something manageable, and unrelated (I would think) to the FeLV. I'll keep positive thoughts and best wishes heading your way. Crossing fingers, toes, paws and whiskers, as well. All the best to Ember, and to you. Margo -Original Message- From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm Sent: Jun 2, 2013 10:42 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam Glad to hear that Gribble is doing well. It's amazing how easy it is to take normal for granted until we deal with FeLV, cancer, or any other problem. Then, normal becomes a victory and a treasure. I celebrate whenever Ember eats well. The surgeon thinks that Ember has a diaphragmatic hernia, but a radiologist is going to confirm the results of the CT scan. I'd like to get her into surgery asap, as I'm concerned her symptoms are progressing. A person with a hernia is much easier, in that you can tell them to stop doing anything laborious or challenging. Cats just keep doing whatever they've always done. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers. I'll update when we know more. Lance On May 29, 2013, at 6:48 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Lance, They are both (knocking madly on wood) doing quite well. Better than I'd expected for Gribble, he's back to normal at least for him G. Because his catheterization seems to be what activated his (apparently) dormant Leukemia, I'm hesitant to subject Mako to the stress of surgery. We're on a watch and wait. It's possible his lump has been there for a while, so who knows. His only symptoms (and what occasioned his testing) have been with his eyes, and most of that is only apparent in hindsight. I do tend to look to surgery even for cats with a mass that's likely to re-occur, if it will add to quality of life. My Pattern had oral SCC, and the growth was interfering with her eating. So it was debulked, and she was able to spend another 10 months with only minor hitches. We didn't use any kind of chemo, only because it has not been shown to have much effect on this disease. Hoping everything goes wonderfully, we're crossing fingers, toes, paws and whiskers, Margo and the Kids ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam
Thanks for the update, Lance Still holding a good thought for you and your little Ember! Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 7:43 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam Glad to hear that Gribble is doing well. It's amazing how easy it is to take normal for granted until we deal with FeLV, cancer, or any other problem. Then, normal becomes a victory and a treasure. I celebrate whenever Ember eats well. The surgeon thinks that Ember has a diaphragmatic hernia, but a radiologist is going to confirm the results of the CT scan. I'd like to get her into surgery asap, as I'm concerned her symptoms are progressing. A person with a hernia is much easier, in that you can tell them to stop doing anything laborious or challenging. Cats just keep doing whatever they've always done. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers. I'll update when we know more. Lance On May 29, 2013, at 6:48 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Lance, They are both (knocking madly on wood) doing quite well. Better than I'd expected for Gribble, he's back to normal at least for him G. Because his catheterization seems to be what activated his (apparently) dormant Leukemia, I'm hesitant to subject Mako to the stress of surgery. We're on a watch and wait. It's possible his lump has been there for a while, so who knows. His only symptoms (and what occasioned his testing) have been with his eyes, and most of that is only apparent in hindsight. I do tend to look to surgery even for cats with a mass that's likely to re-occur, if it will add to quality of life. My Pattern had oral SCC, and the growth was interfering with her eating. So it was debulked, and she was able to spend another 10 months with only minor hitches. We didn't use any kind of chemo, only because it has not been shown to have much effect on this disease. Hoping everything goes wonderfully, we're crossing fingers, toes, paws and whiskers, Margo and the Kids ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam
Hi Lance, They are both (knocking madly on wood) doing quite well. Better than I'd expected for Gribble, he's back to normal at least for him G. Because his catheterization seems to be what activated his (apparently) dormant Leukemia, I'm hesitant to subject Mako to the stress of surgery. We're on a watch and wait. It's possible his lump has been there for a while, so who knows. His only symptoms (and what occasioned his testing) have been with his eyes, and most of that is only apparent in hindsight. I do tend to look to surgery even for cats with a mass that's likely to re-occur, if it will add to quality of life. My Pattern had oral SCC, and the growth was interfering with her eating. So it was debulked, and she was able to spend another 10 months with only minor hitches. We didn't use any kind of chemo, only because it has not been shown to have much effect on this disease. Hoping everything goes wonderfully, we're crossing fingers, toes, paws and whiskers, Margo and the Kids -Original Message- From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm Sent: May 28, 2013 6:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam Thank you everyone for your thoughts and prayers. I really appreciate them. Margo, it's so hard to know what to do. In Ember's case, I feel like the surgeon will probably want to go ahead with surgery, unless it's obvious that something (other than the lung mass) is very wrong. I've seen articles online that indicate that a thoracotomy might be performed even when the disease has metastasized out of the lungs. I don't understand why one would put a cat through that if he or she is only going to have to deal with another cancer not long after recovering from the surgery. How is Gribble doing now? Lance On May 28, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: Dear Lance, I hope that you will find something treatable. My Mako also has a mass, and we keep going back and forth with how to proceed. My thoughts will be with you and Ember, hoping for a good result. Please let us know how it goes... Margo, Mako and Gribble. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Ember exam
We're taking Ember to a veterinary surgeon in another town tomorrow. The main reason for going is to get diagnostics and finally know for sure what the lung mass is. I should have done this a month ago, and I'm kicking myself for not having been aggressive. Depending on what the vet says, he might be opening Ember up tomorrow to remove the tumor. I have big reservations about this, which is why I didn't pursue things more previously. But as I watched Ember eat last Thursday night, it occurred to me that I should at least find out what this is and give Ember the possibility of more time. She's been such a wonderful cat, and I'd love to have more time with her, if that's possible. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam
Dear Lance, I hope that you will find something treatable. My Mako also has a mass, and we keep going back and forth with how to proceed. My thoughts will be with you and Ember, hoping for a good result. Please let us know how it goes... Margo, Mako and Gribble. -Original Message- From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm Sent: May 28, 2013 12:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember exam We're taking Ember to a veterinary surgeon in another town tomorrow. The main reason for going is to get diagnostics and finally know for sure what the lung mass is. I should have done this a month ago, and I'm kicking myself for not having been aggressive. Depending on what the vet says, he might be opening Ember up tomorrow to remove the tumor. I have big reservations about this, which is why I didn't pursue things more previously. But as I watched Ember eat last Thursday night, it occurred to me that I should at least find out what this is and give Ember the possibility of more time. She's been such a wonderful cat, and I'd love to have more time with her, if that's possible. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam
Lance, I'm definitely keeping you and Ember in my thoughts! I hope her procedure tomorrow goes well and you get some good news. Best, -Amanda On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: We're taking Ember to a veterinary surgeon in another town tomorrow. The main reason for going is to get diagnostics and finally know for sure what the lung mass is. I should have done this a month ago, and I'm kicking myself for not having been aggressive. Depending on what the vet says, he might be opening Ember up tomorrow to remove the tumor. I have big reservations about this, which is why I didn't pursue things more previously. But as I watched Ember eat last Thursday night, it occurred to me that I should at least find out what this is and give Ember the possibility of more time. She's been such a wonderful cat, and I'd love to have more time with her, if that's possible. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge Bertrand Russell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam
Lance, you and Ember are in my thoughts and prayers. May all go well! Hugs Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember exam We're taking Ember to a veterinary surgeon in another town tomorrow. The main reason for going is to get diagnostics and finally know for sure what the lung mass is. I should have done this a month ago, and I'm kicking myself for not having been aggressive. Depending on what the vet says, he might be opening Ember up tomorrow to remove the tumor. I have big reservations about this, which is why I didn't pursue things more previously. But as I watched Ember eat last Thursday night, it occurred to me that I should at least find out what this is and give Ember the possibility of more time. She's been such a wonderful cat, and I'd love to have more time with her, if that's possible. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam
You are all in my thoughts and prayers Sent from my iPhone. On May 28, 2013, at 13:51, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Lance, you and Ember are in my thoughts and prayers. May all go well! Hugs Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember exam We're taking Ember to a veterinary surgeon in another town tomorrow. The main reason for going is to get diagnostics and finally know for sure what the lung mass is. I should have done this a month ago, and I'm kicking myself for not having been aggressive. Depending on what the vet says, he might be opening Ember up tomorrow to remove the tumor. I have big reservations about this, which is why I didn't pursue things more previously. But as I watched Ember eat last Thursday night, it occurred to me that I should at least find out what this is and give Ember the possibility of more time. She's been such a wonderful cat, and I'd love to have more time with her, if that's possible. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam
Good luck Lance. You Ember are in my thoughts. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:05 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember exam We're taking Ember to a veterinary surgeon in another town tomorrow. The main reason for going is to get diagnostics and finally know for sure what the lung mass is. I should have done this a month ago, and I'm kicking myself for not having been aggressive. Depending on what the vet says, he might be opening Ember up tomorrow to remove the tumor. I have big reservations about this, which is why I didn't pursue things more previously. But as I watched Ember eat last Thursday night, it occurred to me that I should at least find out what this is and give Ember the possibility of more time. She's been such a wonderful cat, and I'd love to have more time with her, if that's possible. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam
Thank you everyone for your thoughts and prayers. I really appreciate them. Margo, it's so hard to know what to do. In Ember's case, I feel like the surgeon will probably want to go ahead with surgery, unless it's obvious that something (other than the lung mass) is very wrong. I've seen articles online that indicate that a thoracotomy might be performed even when the disease has metastasized out of the lungs. I don't understand why one would put a cat through that if he or she is only going to have to deal with another cancer not long after recovering from the surgery. How is Gribble doing now? Lance On May 28, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: Dear Lance, I hope that you will find something treatable. My Mako also has a mass, and we keep going back and forth with how to proceed. My thoughts will be with you and Ember, hoping for a good result. Please let us know how it goes... Margo, Mako and Gribble. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
-pet Original Message - From: Margo lt;toomanykitti...@earthlink.netgt; To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 12 May 2013 20:30:18 - (UTC) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember I've seen it listed at Chewy.com; http://www.chewy.com/cat/wet-food-389/tiki-cat and at Wags; http://www.wag.com/cat/p/tiki-cat-king-kamehameha-luau-variety-pack-146352 Pet Supplies Plus carries many varieties and will order any they dont routinely have in stock. Too much fish for my FLUTD guys. ^..^ -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: May 12, 2013 3:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Where do you get Tiki Cat? I have never seen it at Petsmart. , Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food as she'll eat. On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
I have been using petflow for small brand and prescription food, including tiki cat: http://www.petflow.com/ Petflow ships quickly and has pretty good deals. On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 5:22 PM, kellymach...@comcast.net wrote: -pet Original Message - From: Margo lt;toomanykitti...@earthlink.netgt; To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 12 May 2013 20:30:18 - (UTC) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember I've seen it listed at Chewy.com; http://www.chewy.com/cat/wet-food-389/tiki-cat and at Wags; http://www.wag.com/cat/p/tiki-cat-king-kamehameha-luau-variety-pack-146352 Pet Supplies Plus carries many varieties and will order any they dont routinely have in stock. Too much fish for my FLUTD guys. ^..^ -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: May 12, 2013 3:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Where do you get Tiki Cat? I have never seen it at Petsmart. , Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food as she'll eat. On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Where do you get Tiki Cat? I have never seen it at Petsmart. Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food as she'll eat. On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
I've seen it listed at Chewy.com; http://www.chewy.com/cat/wet-food-389/tiki-cat and at Wags; http://www.wag.com/cat/p/tiki-cat-king-kamehameha-luau-variety-pack-146352 Too much fish for my FLUTD guys. ^..^ -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: May 12, 2013 3:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Where do you get Tiki Cat? I have never seen it at Petsmart. , Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food as she'll eat. On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
http://wholepetsholistic.com/store/ I order from those folks. On May 12, 2013, at 3:30 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: I've seen it listed at Chewy.com; http://www.chewy.com/cat/wet-food-389/tiki-cat and at Wags; http://www.wag.com/cat/p/tiki-cat-king-kamehameha-luau-variety-pack-146352 Too much fish for my FLUTD guys. ^..^ -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: May 12, 2013 3:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Where do you get Tiki Cat? I have never seen it at Petsmart. , Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food as she'll eat. On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Smaller pet stores, not chain stores, tend to have it too. Chris C. From: Lance Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 3:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember http://wholepetsholistic.com/store/ I order from those folks. On May 12, 2013, at 3:30 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: I've seen it listed at Chewy.com; http://www.chewy.com/cat/wet-food-389/tiki-cat and at Wags; http://www.wag.com/cat/p/tiki-cat-king-kamehameha-luau-variety-pack-146352 Too much fish for my FLUTD guys. ^..^ -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: May 12, 2013 3:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Where do you get Tiki Cat? I have never seen it at Petsmart. , Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food as she'll eat. On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Sending good thoughts to Ember and to you. My Shiiva (not felv+) is just turning 18 and I know we are at the end of her 2+ year battle with tracheal cancer--however, the past 2+ years have been a pure miracle since we initially nearly lost her to the cancer in November of 2013, and there is very little data on cats with this sort of cancer being successfully treated. A couple of small things that of course won't cure cancer, but I think have helped her appetite and keeping her feeling well are B-12 shots fluids weekly. There is a supplement often mentioned on the Feline Cancer group called ES Clear, it was available on the Pet Wellbeing site but I don't see it available now, though there is another product: http://www.petwellbeing.com/products/cat-cancer#ingredients We like to sometimes take the juice from Fancy Feast Fish Shrimp feast and add it to other foods to make them extra tasty. Best wishes, Heather On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food as she'll eat. On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Thank you, Heather. We need all the thoughts, prayers, good vibes, etc. that we can get. We're looking at possible metastasized cancer. Still monitoring a likely mass in her lungs, and her extreme anisocoria may be caused by a small tumor. That's an unknown right now. I'm glad that you've gotten such a good amount of time with Shiiva, and that she has been one of the exceptional cases that defies what is generally expected with cancer. I read about these cases, and while I know they're not the norm, they do give me hope. I'm considering a B-12 shot for Ember. We did one about six weeks ago, and while I'm not sure that it helped, I'm willing to give it another try. I've been looking at Life Gold, which is the current cancer supplement made by Pet Wellbeing. I've seen it mentioned on the Yahoo! feline cancer list. I'm waiting to talk to the holistic vet about it before I order. I might try the juice trick you mentioned. I hear tuna water works for that, too. Best to you and Shiiva, Lance On May 9, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: Sending good thoughts to Ember and to you. My Shiiva (not felv+) is just turning 18 and I know we are at the end of her 2+ year battle with tracheal cancer--however, the past 2+ years have been a pure miracle since we initially nearly lost her to the cancer in November of 2013, and there is very little data on cats with this sort of cancer being successfully treated. A couple of small things that of course won't cure cancer, but I think have helped her appetite and keeping her feeling well are B-12 shots fluids weekly. There is a supplement often mentioned on the Feline Cancer group called ES Clear, it was available on the Pet Wellbeing site but I don't see it available now, though there is another product: http://www.petwellbeing.com/products/cat-cancer#ingredients We like to sometimes take the juice from Fancy Feast Fish Shrimp feast and add it to other foods to make them extra tasty. Best wishes, Heather On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food as she'll eat. On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Glad to hear the update on Ember, Lance! Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Thank you, Heather. We need all the thoughts, prayers, good vibes, etc. that we can get. We're looking at possible metastasized cancer. Still monitoring a likely mass in her lungs, and her extreme anisocoria may be caused by a small tumor. That's an unknown right now. I'm glad that you've gotten such a good amount of time with Shiiva, and that she has been one of the exceptional cases that defies what is generally expected with cancer. I read about these cases, and while I know they're not the norm, they do give me hope. I'm considering a B-12 shot for Ember. We did one about six weeks ago, and while I'm not sure that it helped, I'm willing to give it another try. I've been looking at Life Gold, which is the current cancer supplement made by Pet Wellbeing. I've seen it mentioned on the Yahoo! feline cancer list. I'm waiting to talk to the holistic vet about it before I order. I might try the juice trick you mentioned. I hear tuna water works for that, too. Best to you and Shiiva, Lance On May 9, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: Sending good thoughts to Ember and to you. My Shiiva (not felv+) is just turning 18 and I know we are at the end of her 2+ year battle with tracheal cancer--however, the past 2+ years have been a pure miracle since we initially nearly lost her to the cancer in November of 2013, and there is very little data on cats with this sort of cancer being successfully treated. A couple of small things that of course won't cure cancer, but I think have helped her appetite and keeping her feeling well are B-12 shots fluids weekly. There is a supplement often mentioned on the Feline Cancer group called ES Clear, it was available on the Pet Wellbeing site but I don't see it available now, though there is another product: http://www.petwellbeing.com/products/cat-cancer#ingredients We like to sometimes take the juice from Fancy Feast Fish Shrimp feast and add it to other foods to make them extra tasty. Best wishes, Heather On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food as she'll eat. On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Keeping you in our prayers! God bless you for all you do for them! Sent from my iPad On May 9, 2013, at 17:17, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Glad to hear the update on Ember, Lance! Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Thank you, Heather. We need all the thoughts, prayers, good vibes, etc. that we can get. We're looking at possible metastasized cancer. Still monitoring a likely mass in her lungs, and her extreme anisocoria may be caused by a small tumor. That's an unknown right now. I'm glad that you've gotten such a good amount of time with Shiiva, and that she has been one of the exceptional cases that defies what is generally expected with cancer. I read about these cases, and while I know they're not the norm, they do give me hope. I'm considering a B-12 shot for Ember. We did one about six weeks ago, and while I'm not sure that it helped, I'm willing to give it another try. I've been looking at Life Gold, which is the current cancer supplement made by Pet Wellbeing. I've seen it mentioned on the Yahoo! feline cancer list. I'm waiting to talk to the holistic vet about it before I order. I might try the juice trick you mentioned. I hear tuna water works for that, too. Best to you and Shiiva, Lance On May 9, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: Sending good thoughts to Ember and to you. My Shiiva (not felv+) is just turning 18 and I know we are at the end of her 2+ year battle with tracheal cancer--however, the past 2+ years have been a pure miracle since we initially nearly lost her to the cancer in November of 2013, and there is very little data on cats with this sort of cancer being successfully treated. A couple of small things that of course won't cure cancer, but I think have helped her appetite and keeping her feeling well are B-12 shots fluids weekly. There is a supplement often mentioned on the Feline Cancer group called ES Clear, it was available on the Pet Wellbeing site but I don't see it available now, though there is another product: http://www.petwellbeing.com/products/cat-cancer#ingredients We like to sometimes take the juice from Fancy Feast Fish Shrimp feast and add it to other foods to make them extra tasty. Best wishes, Heather On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food as she'll eat. On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food as she'll eat. On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Thank you for thinking of Ember, Cheri and El. She seems to be doing okay today. I got her to eat last night by feeding Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast. In another post, Christiane had suggested this as being like chocolate cake to cats, and Ember agrees. Unfortunately, the ingredients aren't the best, but at this point, just keeping her eating and well-fed seems like the main thing to do. She also likes Prescription Diet t/d, which she thinks is a treat. Before she tested positive, that's the only food she ate. I didn't know any better, but she was fine with it. On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net wrote: Thinking and praying 4 ember!!! CHERI On Apr 22, 2013, at 9:42 PM, designercats cats designerc...@hotmail.com wrote: Lance, you and Ember are in my thoughts and prayers. El From: lini...@fastmail.fm Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:35:42 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Thank you, Beth, Sharyl, and Bonnie for thinking about my girl. She has a vet visit tomorrow. We’ll see how the lung mass has changed, and we’ll get a new cbc. Ember isn’t eating as well as I would like, but she sure loves her treats (Prescription Diet t/d – it could be worse). I've also caught her sitting in a slightly unusual position, and that makes me really hope that she's not in any pain or even mild discomfort. On Apr 22, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: You've got it, Lance! You and Ember are in loving/healing thoughts and prayers. Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to leave our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
There is relatively new treatment for tumors and cancers. It's called Neoplasene. There is a Yahoo group called Neoplasene for Cancer. See if you can go there and get some information. I'm currently dealing with a former colony cat (tame) who has bone cancer on her right hind thigh. Although the ointment didn't do much for it - big ugly mess of a tumor broke through the skin, she is eating like a trooper and acting happy. I'm going to try the internal Neo to see if it will reduce the tumor. There is a wonderful holistic vet in San Antonio. He has saved several of my cats with magic formulas. Look up Neoplasene on Google and you'll find a lot of info. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Thank you for thinking of Ember, Cheri and El. She seems to be doing okay today. I got her to eat last night by feeding Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast. In another post, Christiane had suggested this as being like chocolate cake to cats, and Ember agrees. Unfortunately, the ingredients aren't the best, but at this point, just keeping her eating and well-fed seems like the main thing to do. She also likes Prescription Diet t/d, which she thinks is a treat. Before she tested positive, that's the only food she ate. I didn't know any better, but she was fine with it. On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net wrote: Thinking and praying 4 ember!!! CHERI On Apr 22, 2013, at 9:42 PM, designercats cats designerc...@hotmail.com wrote: Lance, you and Ember are in my thoughts and prayers. El From: lini...@fastmail.fm Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:35:42 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Thank you, Beth, Sharyl, and Bonnie for thinking about my girl. She has a vet visit tomorrow. We’ll see how the lung mass has changed, and we’ll get a new cbc. Ember isn’t eating as well as I would like, but she sure loves her treats (Prescription Diet t/d – it could be worse). I've also caught her sitting in a slightly unusual position, and that makes me really hope that she's not in any pain or even mild discomfort. On Apr 22, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: You've got it, Lance! You and Ember are in loving/healing thoughts and prayers. Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to leave our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Glad to hear she had a good night. Good luck with everything at the vet today. Best wishes positive vibes to both of you! We know how hard these times can be… Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 5:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Thank you for thinking of Ember, Cheri and El. She seems to be doing okay today. I got her to eat last night by feeding Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast. In another post, Christiane had suggested this as being like chocolate cake to cats, and Ember agrees. Unfortunately, the ingredients aren't the best, but at this point, just keeping her eating and well-fed seems like the main thing to do. She also likes Prescription Diet t/d, which she thinks is a treat. Before she tested positive, that's the only food she ate. I didn't know any better, but she was fine with it. On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net wrote: Thinking and praying 4 ember!!! CHERI On Apr 22, 2013, at 9:42 PM, designercats cats designerc...@hotmail.com wrote: Lance, you and Ember are in my thoughts and prayers. El From: lini...@fastmail.fm Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:35:42 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Thank you, Beth, Sharyl, and Bonnie for thinking about my girl. She has a vet visit tomorrow. We’ll see how the lung mass has changed, and we’ll get a new cbc. Ember isn’t eating as well as I would like, but she sure loves her treats (Prescription Diet t/d – it could be worse). I've also caught her sitting in a slightly unusual position, and that makes me really hope that she's not in any pain or even mild discomfort. On Apr 22, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: You've got it, Lance! You and Ember are in loving/healing thoughts and prayers. Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to leave our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 8:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Thank you for thinking of Ember, Cheri and El. She seems to be doing okay today. I got her to eat last night by feeding Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast. In another post, Christiane had suggested this as being like chocolate cake to cats, and Ember agrees. Unfortunately, the ingredients aren't the best, but at this point, just keeping her eating and well-fed seems like the main thing to do. She also likes Prescription Diet t/d, which she thinks is a treat. Before she tested positive, that's the only food she ate. I didn't know any better, but she was fine with it. On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net wrote: Thinking and praying 4 ember!!! CHERI On Apr 22, 2013, at 9:42 PM, designercats cats designerc...@hotmail.com wrote: Lance, you and Ember are in my thoughts and prayers. El From: lini...@fastmail.fm Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:35:42 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Thank you, Beth, Sharyl, and Bonnie for thinking about my girl. She has a vet visit tomorrow. We’ll see how the lung mass has changed, and we’ll get a new cbc. Ember isn’t eating as well as I would like, but she sure loves her treats (Prescription Diet t/d – it could be worse). I've also caught her sitting in a slightly unusual position, and that makes me really hope that she's not in any pain or even mild discomfort. On Apr 22, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: You've got it, Lance! You and Ember are in loving/healing thoughts and prayers. Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to leave our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Ember
Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to leave our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Thinking of you Ember, Lance. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:59 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to leave our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
You both are in my thoughts and prayers Sharyl From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:59 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to leave our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
You've got it, Lance! You and Ember are in loving/healing thoughts and prayers. Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to leave our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Thank you, Beth, Sharyl, and Bonnie for thinking about my girl. She has a vet visit tomorrow. We’ll see how the lung mass has changed, and we’ll get a new cbc. Ember isn’t eating as well as I would like, but she sure loves her treats (Prescription Diet t/d – it could be worse). I've also caught her sitting in a slightly unusual position, and that makes me really hope that she's not in any pain or even mild discomfort. On Apr 22, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: You've got it, Lance! You and Ember are in loving/healing thoughts and prayers. Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to leave our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Lance, you and Ember are in my thoughts and prayers. El From: lini...@fastmail.fm Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:35:42 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Thank you, Beth, Sharyl, and Bonnie for thinking about my girl. She has a vet visit tomorrow. We’ll see how the lung mass has changed, and we’ll get a new cbc. Ember isn’t eating as well as I would like, but she sure loves her treats (Prescription Diet t/d – it could be worse). I've also caught her sitting in a slightly unusual position, and that makes me really hope that she's not in any pain or even mild discomfort. On Apr 22, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: You've got it, Lance! You and Ember are in loving/healing thoughts and prayers. Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to leave our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Thinking and praying 4 ember!!! CHERI On Apr 22, 2013, at 9:42 PM, designercats cats designerc...@hotmail.com wrote: Lance, you and Ember are in my thoughts and prayers. El From: lini...@fastmail.fm Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:35:42 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Thank you, Beth, Sharyl, and Bonnie for thinking about my girl. She has a vet visit tomorrow. We’ll see how the lung mass has changed, and we’ll get a new cbc. Ember isn’t eating as well as I would like, but she sure loves her treats (Prescription Diet t/d – it could be worse). I've also caught her sitting in a slightly unusual position, and that makes me really hope that she's not in any pain or even mild discomfort. On Apr 22, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: You've got it, Lance! You and Ember are in loving/healing thoughts and prayers. Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to leave our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
We tested Ember again, and her wbc had gone back up to ~3.85, which is normal. Unfortunately, two other symptoms have manifested. Ember's left pupil, which has been abnormally large due to anisocoria likely caused by FeLV, is now fully open. We don't know why this is, but the vet thinks this could indicate cancer. In addition to that, the vet x-rayed Ember to see if she might have a fungal infection, and she found a mass in Ember's lungs. Ember doesn't have breathing difficulties, but the mass is such that there isn't a good way to access it. I really don't want to subject her to a thoracotomy. A urine test turned up no antigen for a fungal infection. I'm not sure what to do next. The vet said that another vet could do a CT scan. The same clinic (about an hour and a half away) could also do a test of Ember's left eye to see if cancer is involved. I don't know what that information would get us, however. Does anyone have experience with eye cancer or lung cancer in cats? I've been reading about Agaricus blazeii thanks to KG BarnCats, and I'm hoping that might slow the progress of whatever it is we're dealing with. I'm going to post to the feline cancer list on Yahoo!, but I'm wondering what people here might think. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
Hi LanceEmber may have lymphoma. Several of the FeLV+ cats I've had stay extremely healthy for about 4 1/2 - 5 years and then develop lymphoma. I've had one with cns lymphoma, another with mediastinal lymphoma, and now also Mattie. Her tumours couldn't be removed but went away with iv chemo within the first month. One of them took up most of her bladder so it was inoperable.To determine what it is, and if you choose to treat it, you need biopsies taken at a good radiologist. They can be done using ultrasound and fna. Mattie has done extremely well on chemo and went into remission after a month. Only one week did she have a bit low wbc but that went up. I have her on a supplement called Onco Support by Rx Vitamins and now the Agaricus blazei. Hope this helps,El From: lini...@fastmaail.fm Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 17:52:39 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc We tested Ember again, and her wbc had gone back up to ~3.85, which is normal. Unfortunately, two other symptoms have manifested. Ember's left pupil, which has been abnormally large due to anisocoria likely caused by FeLV, is now fully open. We don't know why this is, but the vet thinks this could indicate cancer. In addition to that, the vet x-rayed Ember to see if she might have a fungal infection, and she found a mass in Ember's lungs. Ember doesn't have breathing difficulties, but the mass is such that there isn't a good way to access it. I really don't want to subject her to a thoracotomy. A urine test turned up no antigen for a fungal infection. I'm not sure what to do next. The vet said that another vet could do a CT scan. The same clinic (about an hour and a half away) could also do a test of Ember's left eye to see if cancer is involved. I don't know what that information would get us, however. Does anyone have experience with eye cancer or lung cancer in cats? I've been reading about Agaricus blazeii thanks to KG BarnCats, and I'm hoping that might slow the progress of whatever it is we're dealing with. I'm going to post to the feline cancer list on Yahoo!, but I'm wondering what people here might think. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
Hi El, Thanks so much for your input. I really need to read up on lymphoma. I know that it happens not infrequently in FeLV+ cats. I will see if there's another way to get a biopsy. To get something from the mass in her lungs, they would have to open Ember up, and I'm very concerned about the ramifications that could have on her health and comfort. The mass is in a hard-to-reach place, and a straight FNA doesn't appear to be possible with it. My vet is going to talk to a holistic vet regarding Agaricus blazei. I'd just like to make sure we're all on the same page. I suspect it will be okay, as Ember is already on Transfer Factor and a DMG/Lysine supplement that's a treat. Glad to hear that Mattie has done so well. Best wishes for you both. Lance On Mar 31, 2013, at 7:20 PM, designercats cats designerc...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Lance Ember may have lymphoma. Several of the FeLV+ cats I've had stay extremely healthy for about 4 1/2 - 5 years and then develop lymphoma. I've had one with cns lymphoma, another with mediastinal lymphoma, and now also Mattie. Her tumours couldn't be removed but went away with iv chemo within the first month. One of them took up most of her bladder so it was inoperable. To determine what it is, and if you choose to treat it, you need biopsies taken at a good radiologist. They can be done using ultrasound and fna. Mattie has done extremely well on chemo and went into remission after a month. Only one week did she have a bit low wbc but that went up. I have her on a supplement called Onco Support by Rx Vitamins and now the Agaricus blazei. Hope this helps, El ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Ember - update and questions
Hi everyone, I'm visiting Arkansas, and have gotten to spend some time with Ember, which has been great. We took her to the vet on Friday. Her wbc had gone up slightly from the low of her last appointment (she's at 3.39, but was at 3.11). Unfortunately, her anisocoria seems worse. The pupil in her left eye has been open to probably 75-80% of its full size for almost four years now, but over the last few days, I've noticed that it's now almost fully open. The vet looked in with a light, and she said that Ember's eye seems to be healthy (the blood vessels are undamaged, and she doesn't have a detached retina). However, she's concerned about it enough that she's suggested we consider an appointment with an ophthalmologist. None in town, so it would be an hour and a half drive. The vet mentioned that Ember could have a fungal infection, which concerned me. Ember has been sneezing some, though she seems much better today. The vet said that the ophthalmologist could determine more with a gentle procedure, while the vet herself would have to remove the eye to be sure and to treat. I may be mixing some things up, as it was all a little shocking. The vet has been extremely helpful with Ember. I could not ask for a better doctor. Does anyone have any experience with FeLV+ (or other immuno-compromised) cats and fungal infections? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
Thanks for relating your experience, Sally. That link might come in handy, too. I wish we had more to go on than anecdotes, though. It seems like there haven't been that many studies done to confirm what treatments work best. I'm considering: ImmunoRegulin Virbagen Omega LTCI Neupogen I don't know if I can afford Neupogen, and when I talked to my vet about it, she seemed uncertain. It has a reputation for causing bone pain, and if I can help it, I don't want to give Ember something that makes her miserable. Virbagen Omega is expensive, but I know (roughly) how much it costs, and it's worth it to me if it can help Ember. There seems to have been some success in its use. Unfortunately, it still doesn't seem to be available here, and shipping is a good chunk of its cost. LTCI and ImmunoRegulin seem affordable and potentially useful. When I was last looking into these options, there wasn't much evidence to support LTCI's benefits. It seems to have become more accepted over the last few years, but I'm still feeling cautious about it. I'll do a more thorough scan of the list's archives soon, and I'm going to call a few vets tomorrow. Lance On Mar 3, 2013, at 12:25 AM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: Lance, Two of my cats got this. Junior went from being anemic to borderline low and his fevers which had been as high as 106.5 went away. Now As I am reading more I wish I had kept him on it. Tiny wasa asymptomatic but he was positive. He actually passed 4 mos after testing positive. The felv probably played a part. He most likely threw a clot I was with him and was too sudden. There was no emergency vet visit. The worst part was he died on Chstmas day. I miss them all.I ordered the IR from Revival Pet supply. I ordered mine direct does not require a presciption. http://www.revivalanimal.com/ImmunoRegulin-EqStim.html It was more if my vet ordered it. I took the vial in to the vet's office and a tech gave him the injection IV. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
consider adding Agaricus blazeii for white cell stimulation, obtaining from atlasworldusa.com . It worked great for my felv- boy when he was going thru chemo for multi site lymphoma, the vets were astonished how great his bloodwork was. Normally the white count would drop dramatically but his stayed normal. I get the human capsules then mix it in the wet food. He is super fussy but ate it without problem. It is not very expensive, about $1 a day. the agaricus blazeii is a standard support recommended by Dr Alice Villa Lobos, one of the top feline cancer speciaiists in the US. Google immuno nutrition villa lobos to find out more. another thing to consider is transfer factor, more expensive but it is the stuff in mother's milk that stimulates, trains and regulates the immune system. It works for any mammal. There are several versions, the more expensive one with tri-factor is supposed to tune up the immune system over 400 per cent. I used to use it but had to give up due to the cost. Can be bought on Amazon. good luck KG On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Thanks for relating your experience, Sally. That link might come in handy, too. I wish we had more to go on than anecdotes, though. It seems like there haven't been that many studies done to confirm what treatments work best. I'm considering: ImmunoRegulin Virbagen Omega LTCI Neupogen I don't know if I can afford Neupogen, and when I talked to my vet about it, she seemed uncertain. It has a reputation for causing bone pain, and if I can help it, I don't want to give Ember something that makes her miserable. Virbagen Omega is expensive, but I know (roughly) how much it costs, and it's worth it to me if it can help Ember. There seems to have been some success in its use. Unfortunately, it still doesn't seem to be available here, and shipping is a good chunk of its cost. LTCI and ImmunoRegulin seem affordable and potentially useful. When I was last looking into these options, there wasn't much evidence to support LTCI's benefits. It seems to have become more accepted over the last few years, but I'm still feeling cautious about it. I'll do a more thorough scan of the list's archives soon, and I'm going to call a few vets tomorrow. Lance On Mar 3, 2013, at 12:25 AM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: Lance, Two of my cats got this. Junior went from being anemic to borderline low and his fevers which had been as high as 106.5 went away. Now As I am reading more I wish I had kept him on it. Tiny wasa asymptomatic but he was positive. He actually passed 4 mos after testing positive. The felv probably played a part. He most likely threw a clot I was with him and was too sudden. There was no emergency vet visit. The worst part was he died on Chstmas day. I miss them all.I ordered the IR from Revival Pet supply. I ordered mine direct does not require a presciption. http://www.revivalanimal.com/ImmunoRegulin-EqStim.html It was more if my vet ordered it. I took the vial in to the vet's office and a tech gave him the injection IV. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
Thank you for this timely info! One of my FeLV+ cats, Mattie was diagnosed with high grade lymphoma on Dec. 22nd. I've had her for 5 years now and she's done well. Her only symptoms were those of a bladder infection. Her bloodwork was great. She's been undergoing chemo since Dec. 27th and this last week, her lymphocyte count was a bit too low.After 4 weeks, she went into complete remission, and is doing well other than the slightly low wbc. She weighs 13 lbs, eats well, etc.. I'm also giving her onco support by rx vitamins, but no transfer factor. I was looking for something specifically to raise the wbc. I'll order this tomorrow and hopefully will get it quickly. How much did you give you cat undergoing chemo?Thank you so much again!El Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:13:36 -0500 From: kgbarnc...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc consider adding Agaricus blazeii for white cell stimulation, obtaining from atlasworldusa.com . It worked great for my felv- boy when he was going thru chemo for multi site lymphoma, the vets were astonished how great his bloodwork was. Normally the white count would drop dramatically but his stayed normal. I get the human capsules then mix it in the wet food. He is super fussy but ate it without problem. It is not very expensive, about $1 a day. the agaricus blazeii is a standard support recommended by Dr Alice Villa Lobos, one of the top feline cancer speciaiists in the US. Google immuno nutrition villa lobos to find out more. another thing to consider is transfer factor, more expensive but it is the stuff in mother's milk that stimulates, trains and regulates the immune system. It works for any mammal. There are several versions, the more expensive one with tri-factor is supposed to tune up the immune system over 400 per cent. I used to use it but had to give up due to the cost. Can be bought on Amazon. good luck KG On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Thanks for relating your experience, Sally. That link might come in handy, too. I wish we had more to go on than anecdotes, though. It seems like there haven't been that many studies done to confirm what treatments work best. I'm considering: ImmunoRegulinVirbagen OmegaLTCINeupogen I don't know if I can afford Neupogen, and when I talked to my vet about it, she seemed uncertain. It has a reputation for causing bone pain, and if I can help it, I don't want to give Ember something that makes her miserable. Virbagen Omega is expensive, but I know (roughly) how much it costs, and it's worth it to me if it can help Ember. There seems to have been some success in its use. Unfortunately, it still doesn't seem to be available here, and shipping is a good chunk of its cost. LTCI and ImmunoRegulin seem affordable and potentially useful. When I was last looking into these options, there wasn't much evidence to support LTCI's benefits. It seems to have become more accepted over the last few years, but I'm still feeling cautious about it. I'll do a more thorough scan of the list's archives soon, and I'm going to call a few vets tomorrow. Lance On Mar 3, 2013, at 12:25 AM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: Lance, Two of my cats got this. Junior went from being anemic to borderline low and his fevers which had been as high as 106.5 went away. Now As I am reading more I wish I had kept him on it. Tiny wasa asymptomatic but he was positive. He actually passed 4 mos after testing positive. The felv probably played a part. He most likely threw a clot I was with him and was too sudden. There was no emergency vet visit. The worst part was he died on Chstmas day. I miss them all.I ordered the IR from Revival Pet supply. I ordered mine direct does not require a presciption. http://www.revivalanimal.com/ImmunoRegulin-EqStim.html It was more if my vet ordered it. I took the vial in to the vet's office and a tech gave him the injection IV. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
I gave 1/2 agaricus blazeii human capsule twice a day, so he got 600 mg/day. recommended on the pet bottle was 45 mg/lb so my dose was a little more than that. Danny went into remission in month and is still cancer free 6 years later. :) KG On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:25 PM, designercats cats designerc...@hotmail.comwrote: Thank you for this timely info! One of my FeLV+ cats, Mattie was diagnosed with high grade lymphoma on Dec. 22nd. I've had her for 5 years now and she's done well. Her only symptoms were those of a bladder infection. Her bloodwork was great. She's been undergoing chemo since Dec. 27th and this last week, her lymphocyte count was a bit too low.After 4 weeks, she went into complete remission, and is doing well other than the slightly low wbc. She weighs 13 lbs, eats well, etc.. I'm also giving her onco support by rx vitamins, but no transfer factor. I was looking for something specifically to raise the wbc. I'll order this tomorrow and hopefully will get it quickly. How much did you give you cat undergoing chemo? Thank you so much again! El -- Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:13:36 -0500 From: kgbarnc...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc consider adding Agaricus blazeii for white cell stimulation, obtaining from atlasworldusa.com . It worked great for my felv- boy when he was going thru chemo for multi site lymphoma, the vets were astonished how great his bloodwork was. Normally the white count would drop dramatically but his stayed normal. I get the human capsules then mix it in the wet food. He is super fussy but ate it without problem. It is not very expensive, about $1 a day. the agaricus blazeii is a standard support recommended by Dr Alice Villa Lobos, one of the top feline cancer speciaiists in the US. Google immuno nutrition villa lobos to find out more. another thing to consider is transfer factor, more expensive but it is the stuff in mother's milk that stimulates, trains and regulates the immune system. It works for any mammal. There are several versions, the more expensive one with tri-factor is supposed to tune up the immune system over 400 per cent. I used to use it but had to give up due to the cost. Can be bought on Amazon. good luck KG On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Thanks for relating your experience, Sally. That link might come in handy, too. I wish we had more to go on than anecdotes, though. It seems like there haven't been that many studies done to confirm what treatments work best. I'm considering: ImmunoRegulin Virbagen Omega LTCI Neupogen I don't know if I can afford Neupogen, and when I talked to my vet about it, she seemed uncertain. It has a reputation for causing bone pain, and if I can help it, I don't want to give Ember something that makes her miserable. Virbagen Omega is expensive, but I know (roughly) how much it costs, and it's worth it to me if it can help Ember. There seems to have been some success in its use. Unfortunately, it still doesn't seem to be available here, and shipping is a good chunk of its cost. LTCI and ImmunoRegulin seem affordable and potentially useful. When I was last looking into these options, there wasn't much evidence to support LTCI's benefits. It seems to have become more accepted over the last few years, but I'm still feeling cautious about it. I'll do a more thorough scan of the list's archives soon, and I'm going to call a few vets tomorrow. Lance On Mar 3, 2013, at 12:25 AM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: Lance, Two of my cats got this. Junior went from being anemic to borderline low and his fevers which had been as high as 106.5 went away. Now As I am reading more I wish I had kept him on it. Tiny wasa asymptomatic but he was positive. He actually passed 4 mos after testing positive. The felv probably played a part. He most likely threw a clot I was with him and was too sudden. There was no emergency vet visit. The worst part was he died on Chstmas day. I miss them all.I ordered the IR from Revival Pet supply. I ordered mine direct does not require a presciption. http://www.revivalanimal.com/ImmunoRegulin-EqStim.html It was more if my vet ordered it. I took the vial in to the vet's office and a tech gave him the injection IV. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
Do you give this to FeLv cats who are cancer symptoms or can it be given to any FeLV cats? Sent from my iPad On Mar 3, 2013, at 21:50, KG BarnCats kgbarnc...@gmail.com wrote: I gave 1/2 agaricus blazeii human capsule twice a day, so he got 600 mg/day. recommended on the pet bottle was 45 mg/lb so my dose was a little more than that. Danny went into remission in month and is still cancer free 6 years later. :) KG On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:25 PM, designercats cats designerc...@hotmail.com wrote: Thank you for this timely info! One of my FeLV+ cats, Mattie was diagnosed with high grade lymphoma on Dec. 22nd. I've had her for 5 years now and she's done well. Her only symptoms were those of a bladder infection. Her bloodwork was great. She's been undergoing chemo since Dec. 27th and this last week, her lymphocyte count was a bit too low.After 4 weeks, she went into complete remission, and is doing well other than the slightly low wbc. She weighs 13 lbs, eats well, etc.. I'm also giving her onco support by rx vitamins, but no transfer factor. I was looking for something specifically to raise the wbc. I'll order this tomorrow and hopefully will get it quickly. How much did you give you cat undergoing chemo? Thank you so much again! El Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:13:36 -0500 From: kgbarnc...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc consider adding Agaricus blazeii for white cell stimulation, obtaining from atlasworldusa.com . It worked great for my felv- boy when he was going thru chemo for multi site lymphoma, the vets were astonished how great his bloodwork was. Normally the white count would drop dramatically but his stayed normal. I get the human capsules then mix it in the wet food. He is super fussy but ate it without problem. It is not very expensive, about $1 a day. the agaricus blazeii is a standard support recommended by Dr Alice Villa Lobos, one of the top feline cancer speciaiists in the US. Google immuno nutrition villa lobos to find out more. another thing to consider is transfer factor, more expensive but it is the stuff in mother's milk that stimulates, trains and regulates the immune system. It works for any mammal. There are several versions, the more expensive one with tri-factor is supposed to tune up the immune system over 400 per cent. I used to use it but had to give up due to the cost. Can be bought on Amazon. good luck KG On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Thanks for relating your experience, Sally. That link might come in handy, too. I wish we had more to go on than anecdotes, though. It seems like there haven't been that many studies done to confirm what treatments work best. I'm considering: ImmunoRegulin Virbagen Omega LTCI Neupogen I don't know if I can afford Neupogen, and when I talked to my vet about it, she seemed uncertain. It has a reputation for causing bone pain, and if I can help it, I don't want to give Ember something that makes her miserable. Virbagen Omega is expensive, but I know (roughly) how much it costs, and it's worth it to me if it can help Ember. There seems to have been some success in its use. Unfortunately, it still doesn't seem to be available here, and shipping is a good chunk of its cost. LTCI and ImmunoRegulin seem affordable and potentially useful. When I was last looking into these options, there wasn't much evidence to support LTCI's benefits. It seems to have become more accepted over the last few years, but I'm still feeling cautious about it. I'll do a more thorough scan of the list's archives soon, and I'm going to call a few vets tomorrow. Lance On Mar 3, 2013, at 12:25 AM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: Lance, Two of my cats got this. Junior went from being anemic to borderline low and his fevers which had been as high as 106.5 went away. Now As I am reading more I wish I had kept him on it. Tiny wasa asymptomatic but he was positive. He actually passed 4 mos after testing positive. The felv probably played a part. He most likely threw a clot I was with him and was too sudden. There was no emergency vet visit. The worst part was he died on Chstmas day. I miss them all.I ordered the IR from Revival Pet supply. I ordered mine direct does not require a presciption. http://www.revivalanimal.com/ImmunoRegulin-EqStim.html It was more if my vet ordered it. I took the vial in to the vet's office and a tech gave him the injection IV. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
That's great news about Danny! I hope he continues to do well. It gives me hope. Thanks! El Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:50:18 -0500 From: kgbarnc...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc I gave 1/2 agaricus blazeii human capsule twice a day, so he got 600 mg/day. recommended on the pet bottle was 45 mg/lb so my dose was a little more than that. Danny went into remission in month and is still cancer free 6 years later. :) KG On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:25 PM, designercats cats designerc...@hotmail.com wrote: Thank you for this timely info! One of my FeLV+ cats, Mattie was diagnosed with high grade lymphoma on Dec. 22nd. I've had her for 5 years now and she's done well. Her only symptoms were those of a bladder infection. Her bloodwork was great. She's been undergoing chemo since Dec. 27th and this last week, her lymphocyte count was a bit too low.After 4 weeks, she went into complete remission, and is doing well other than the slightly low wbc. She weighs 13 lbs, eats well, etc.. I'm also giving her onco support by rx vitamins, but no transfer factor. I was looking for something specifically to raise the wbc. I'll order this tomorrow and hopefully will get it quickly. How much did you give you cat undergoing chemo? Thank you so much again! El Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:13:36 -0500 From: kgbarnc...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc consider adding Agaricus blazeii for white cell stimulation, obtaining from atlasworldusa.com . It worked great for my felv- boy when he was going thru chemo for multi site lymphoma, the vets were astonished how great his bloodwork was. Normally the white count would drop dramatically but his stayed normal. I get the human capsules then mix it in the wet food. He is super fussy but ate it without problem. It is not very expensive, about $1 a day. the agaricus blazeii is a standard support recommended by Dr Alice Villa Lobos, one of the top feline cancer speciaiists in the US. Google immuno nutrition villa lobos to find out more. another thing to consider is transfer factor, more expensive but it is the stuff in mother's milk that stimulates, trains and regulates the immune system. It works for any mammal. There are several versions, the more expensive one with tri-factor is supposed to tune up the immune system over 400 per cent. I used to use it but had to give up due to the cost. Can be bought on Amazon. good luck KG On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Thanks for relating your experience, Sally. That link might come in handy, too. I wish we had more to go on than anecdotes, though. It seems like there haven't been that many studies done to confirm what treatments work best. I'm considering: ImmunoRegulinVirbagen OmegaLTCINeupogen I don't know if I can afford Neupogen, and when I talked to my vet about it, she seemed uncertain. It has a reputation for causing bone pain, and if I can help it, I don't want to give Ember something that makes her miserable. Virbagen Omega is expensive, but I know (roughly) how much it costs, and it's worth it to me if it can help Ember. There seems to have been some success in its use. Unfortunately, it still doesn't seem to be available here, and shipping is a good chunk of its cost. LTCI and ImmunoRegulin seem affordable and potentially useful. When I was last looking into these options, there wasn't much evidence to support LTCI's benefits. It seems to have become more accepted over the last few years, but I'm still feeling cautious about it. I'll do a more thorough scan of the list's archives soon, and I'm going to call a few vets tomorrow. Lance On Mar 3, 2013, at 12:25 AM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: Lance, Two of my cats got this. Junior went from being anemic to borderline low and his fevers which had been as high as 106.5 went away. Now As I am reading more I wish I had kept him on it. Tiny wasa asymptomatic but he was positive. He actually passed 4 mos after testing positive. The felv probably played a part. He most likely threw a clot I was with him and was too sudden. There was no emergency vet visit. The worst part was he died on Chstmas day. I miss them all.I ordered the IR from Revival Pet supply. I ordered mine direct does not require a presciption. http://www.revivalanimal.com/ImmunoRegulin-EqStim.html It was more if my vet ordered it. I took the vial in to the vet's office and a tech gave him the injection IV. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
Thanks for the info, KG. Agaricus blazeii looks very interesting. I might call the homeopathic vet we use to get her recommendation for using it. Ember has been given Transfer Factor on and off since she tested positive, and her most recent time on it has been for about two years now. It might be part of the reason that she's done so well. Best regards, Lance On Mar 3, 2013, at 8:13 PM, KG BarnCats kgbarnc...@gmail.com wrote: consider adding Agaricus blazeii for white cell stimulation, obtaining from atlasworldusa.com . It worked great for my felv- boy when he was going thru chemo for multi site lymphoma, the vets were astonished how great his bloodwork was. Normally the white count would drop dramatically but his stayed normal. I get the human capsules then mix it in the wet food. He is super fussy but ate it without problem. It is not very expensive, about $1 a day. the agaricus blazeii is a standard support recommended by Dr Alice Villa Lobos, one of the top feline cancer speciaiists in the US. Google immuno nutrition villa lobos to find out more. another thing to consider is transfer factor, more expensive but it is the stuff in mother's milk that stimulates, trains and regulates the immune system. It works for any mammal. There are several versions, the more expensive one with tri-factor is supposed to tune up the immune system over 400 per cent. I used to use it but had to give up due to the cost. Can be bought on Amazon. good luck KG On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Thanks for relating your experience, Sally. That link might come in handy, too. I wish we had more to go on than anecdotes, though. It seems like there haven't been that many studies done to confirm what treatments work best. I'm considering: ImmunoRegulin Virbagen Omega LTCI Neupogen I don't know if I can afford Neupogen, and when I talked to my vet about it, she seemed uncertain. It has a reputation for causing bone pain, and if I can help it, I don't want to give Ember something that makes her miserable. Virbagen Omega is expensive, but I know (roughly) how much it costs, and it's worth it to me if it can help Ember. There seems to have been some success in its use. Unfortunately, it still doesn't seem to be available here, and shipping is a good chunk of its cost. LTCI and ImmunoRegulin seem affordable and potentially useful. When I was last looking into these options, there wasn't much evidence to support LTCI's benefits. It seems to have become more accepted over the last few years, but I'm still feeling cautious about it. I'll do a more thorough scan of the list's archives soon, and I'm going to call a few vets tomorrow. Lance On Mar 3, 2013, at 12:25 AM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: Lance, Two of my cats got this. Junior went from being anemic to borderline low and his fevers which had been as high as 106.5 went away. Now As I am reading more I wish I had kept him on it. Tiny wasa asymptomatic but he was positive. He actually passed 4 mos after testing positive. The felv probably played a part. He most likely threw a clot I was with him and was too sudden. There was no emergency vet visit. The worst part was he died on Chstmas day. I miss them all.I ordered the IR from Revival Pet supply. I ordered mine direct does not require a presciption. http://www.revivalanimal.com/ImmunoRegulin-EqStim.html It was more if my vet ordered it. I took the vial in to the vet's office and a tech gave him the injection IV. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
Hi Sally, Thank you for thinking of Ember and I. I'm so sorry to read that all your FeLV+ cats have gone. I remind myself that the time I've had with Ember has been wonderful, and that she may have more time. I want to have hope, but I'm feeling really down right now. I appreciate your prayers. Take care. Lance On Mar 2, 2013, at 12:52 AM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lance, I have thought of you recently. I remember you kindness when I was dealing with this awful disease. All infected cats are at the Rainbow's Bridge. I will keep Ember in my prayers. Sally On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hi everyone, A few of you may remember me from years ago. My Ember tested positive for FeLV almost exactly seven years ago, in 2006. She was four years old then. There have been a few minor illnesses since that wouldn't have been unusual for a non-FeLV cat, but she's otherwise been very healthy. Ember's white blood cell count has been persistently low. Other than when she's had a few colds (when it shot up to around 7 to 7.5), it's been around 3.75 to 4.15. She went to the vet two days ago for a regular checkup, and her count is only a bit over 3. Ember's vet prescribed Clavamox, I assume, as a prophylactic against infection. Needless to say, this is scary news. Ember is almost 11, and we're probably heading toward a time when any cat's immune system would cease to be as efficient as it once was. For a FeLV+ cat, that's obviously dangerous. I'm wondering if anyone has had recent experience with any treatments that help stimulate white blood cell production. Please let me know what you think. Best wishes to all of you and your cats, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
Thanks for the information, Christiane. I'm glad that Tuscon was helped by ImmunoRegulin. I remembered this morning that about five years ago, I got into contact with a vet who had a lot of success using it with cats. Don't remember much more than that, but I think my vet might have talked to them. Virbagen Omega is another option I'm considering. I don't see many recent posts about it on the list. It's expensive, but it has a fairly good reputation. Ember goes back to the vet in two weeks, so I'll probably make some treatment choices based on what her cbc looks like then. For now, I have her on Transfer Factor, low-dose interferon alpha, and those Vetriscience lysine/DMG treats. This has been her regimen for the last year or so. Lance On Mar 2, 2013, at 10:08 AM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Lance—when my Tucson had real low wbc a number of years ago, my vet gave her a series of immune-regulin injections. Whether it was that or something else, the wbc went back up in a few weeks. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:14 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc Hi Sally, Thank you for thinking of Ember and I. I'm so sorry to read that all your FeLV+ cats have gone. I remind myself that the time I've had with Ember has been wonderful, and that she may have more time. I want to have hope, but I'm feeling really down right now. I appreciate your prayers. Take care. Lance On Mar 2, 2013, at 12:52 AM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lance, I have thought of you recently. I remember you kindness when I was dealing with this awful disease. All infected cats are at the Rainbow's Bridge. I will keep Ember in my prayers. Sally On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hi everyone, A few of you may remember me from years ago. My Ember tested positive for FeLV almost exactly seven years ago, in 2006. She was four years old then. There have been a few minor illnesses since that wouldn't have been unusual for a non-FeLV cat, but she's otherwise been very healthy. Ember's white blood cell count has been persistently low. Other than when she's had a few colds (when it shot up to around 7 to 7.5), it's been around 3.75 to 4.15. She went to the vet two days ago for a regular checkup, and her count is only a bit over 3. Ember's vet prescribed Clavamox, I assume, as a prophylactic against infection. Needless to say, this is scary news. Ember is almost 11, and we're probably heading toward a time when any cat's immune system would cease to be as efficient as it once was. For a FeLV+ cat, that's obviously dangerous. I'm wondering if anyone has had recent experience with any treatments that help stimulate white blood cell production. Please let me know what you think. Best wishes to all of you and your cats, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
That being said I have 7 cats that were all exposed that are still with me. And one that passed lat summer unrelated to FeLV she was 10. A long time ago before we knew much about Felv I had a can named Black Jack. He lived to be 11. He was always somewhat sickly. In the end he had a wound infection that would not heal. My dad took him to the vet which would be his last visit. I cherish all the time I had with him The vet said it was Felv. He had been treated with antibiotcs several tmes. He was so very special. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
Had you euthanized him when you first found out, he and you would hve missed all that love and happy memories Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: That being said I have 7 cats that were all exposed that are still with me. And one that passed lat summer unrelated to FeLV she was 10. A long time ago before we knew much about Felv I had a can named Black Jack. He lived to be 11. He was always somewhat sickly. In the end he had a wound infection that would not heal. My dad took him to the vet which would be his last visit. I cherish all the time I had with him The vet said it was Felv. He had been treated with antibiotcs several tmes. He was so very special. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
Hi Lance How fortunate you are that Ember has lived so long with FelV. You must be taking excellent care of her. Most of my FelV cats have died at less than a year old, but two of them are now five years old. Most of my FelV cats died of anemia with low red blood counts not low white count. Lorrie On 03-01, Lance wrote: Hi everyone, A few of you may remember me from years ago. My Ember tested positive for FeLV almost exactly seven years ago, in 2006. She was four years old then. There have been a few minor illnesses since that wouldn't have been unusual for a non-FeLV cat, but she's otherwise been very healthy. Ember's white blood cell count has been persistently low. Other than when she's had a few colds (when it shot up to around 7 to 7.5), it's been around 3.75 to 4.15. She went to the vet two days ago for a regular checkup, and her count is only a bit over 3. Ember's vet prescribed Clavamox, I assume, as a prophylactic against infection. Needless to say, this is scary news. Ember is almost 11, and we're probably heading toward a time when any cat's immune system would cease to be as efficient as it once was. For a FeLV+ cat, that's obviously dangerous. I'm wondering if anyone has had recent experience with any treatments that help stimulate white blood cell production. Please let me know what you think. Best wishes to all of you and your cats, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
Hi Lorrie, I'm very grateful for the time I've had with Ember. Given the initial information I found, I expected her to be gone within months of the positive test. There have been a few minor illnesses that have concerned me, but they have passed. I'm hopeful that Ember's very low wbc will bounce back up to her (low) normal, but I'm going to discuss treatment options with her vet on Monday. I've read that anemia is not unheard of with FeLV+ cats, and I'm sorry to hear that the ones you lost were affected that way. I hope the five-year-olds have many happy years ahead with you. Lance On Mar 2, 2013, at 6:18 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Hi Lance How fortunate you are that Ember has lived so long with FelV. You must be taking excellent care of her. Most of my FelV cats have died at less than a year old, but two of them are now five years old. Most of my FelV cats died of anemia with low red blood counts not low white count. Lorrie On 03-01, Lance wrote: Hi everyone, A few of you may remember me from years ago. My Ember tested positive for FeLV almost exactly seven years ago, in 2006. She was four years old then. There have been a few minor illnesses since that wouldn't have been unusual for a non-FeLV cat, but she's otherwise been very healthy. Ember's white blood cell count has been persistently low. Other than when she's had a few colds (when it shot up to around 7 to 7.5), it's been around 3.75 to 4.15. She went to the vet two days ago for a regular checkup, and her count is only a bit over 3. Ember's vet prescribed Clavamox, I assume, as a prophylactic against infection. Needless to say, this is scary news. Ember is almost 11, and we're probably heading toward a time when any cat's immune system would cease to be as efficient as it once was. For a FeLV+ cat, that's obviously dangerous. I'm wondering if anyone has had recent experience with any treatments that help stimulate white blood cell production. Please let me know what you think. Best wishes to all of you and your cats, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
Lance, Two of my cats got this. Junior went from being anemic to borderline low and his fevers which had been as high as 106.5 went away. Now As I am reading more I wish I had kept him on it. Tiny wasa asymptomatic but he was positive. He actually passed 4 mos after testing positive. The felv probably played a part. He most likely threw a clot I was with him and was too sudden. There was no emergency vet visit. The worst part was he died on Chstmas day. I miss them all.I ordered the IR from Revival Pet supply. I ordered mine direct does not require a presciption. http://www.revivalanimal.com/ImmunoRegulin-EqStim.html It was more if my vet ordered it. I took the vial in to the vet's office and a tech gave him the injection IV. On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Lance ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
Hi Lance, I have thought of you recently. I remember you kindness when I was dealing with this awful disease. All infected cats are at the Rainbow's Bridge. I will keep Ember in my prayers. Sally On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hi everyone, A few of you may remember me from years ago. My Ember tested positive for FeLV almost exactly seven years ago, in 2006. She was four years old then. There have been a few minor illnesses since that wouldn't have been unusual for a non-FeLV cat, but she's otherwise been very healthy. Ember's white blood cell count has been persistently low. Other than when she's had a few colds (when it shot up to around 7 to 7.5), it's been around 3.75 to 4.15. She went to the vet two days ago for a regular checkup, and her count is only a bit over 3. Ember's vet prescribed Clavamox, I assume, as a prophylactic against infection. Needless to say, this is scary news. Ember is almost 11, and we're probably heading toward a time when any cat's immune system would cease to be as efficient as it once was. For a FeLV+ cat, that's obviously dangerous. I'm wondering if anyone has had recent experience with any treatments that help stimulate white blood cell production. Please let me know what you think. Best wishes to all of you and your cats, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Lance, How is Ember doing?
Hey Lance, I'm trying to catch up on the posts this weekend (while we replace siding on our house that our dogs chewed completely through!!!). I read about Ember's stool issues last month and breathing issues. Is she doing ok? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: Lance, How is Ember doing?
Hi Wendy, Thanks for asking about Ember. She's doing really well. She was going nuts earlier, running around batting one of her mice. She got it into the bathtub somehow, and was after in there, too. She's very vocal when she's doing all this. She sounds like a little wild cat. Regarding Ember's troubles from a few months ago, the diarrhea is long gone. I now feed her two 3 oz cans of Wellness a day, as well as some Kitty Kaviar. She's lost a little weight, but nothing like last year. I'm pretty sure that the loud breathing/panting was a reaction to the high dose of Flagyl, which I stopped. I haven't heard it happen since that particular episode. I got her onto pumpkin for a week or so after that, and that seemed to help take care of the diarrhea. I've been meaning to write the list to see what the blandest, organic/ natural dry food with a single source of protein might be. I tried a little Wellness CORE on her, and it went right through. Lance On Mar 2, 2008, at 1:08 PM, wendy wrote: Hey Lance, I'm trying to catch up on the posts this weekend (while we replace siding on our house that our dogs chewed completely through!!!). I read about Ember's stool issues last month and breathing issues. Is she doing ok? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: Lance, How is Ember doing?
Lance, how did you feed the pumpkin? Syringe, or mixing it with other food, or what? Thanks! Gloria On Mar 2, 2008, at 5:24 PM, Lance wrote: Hi Wendy, Thanks for asking about Ember. She's doing really well. She was going nuts earlier, running around batting one of her mice. She got it into the bathtub somehow, and was after in there, too. She's very vocal when she's doing all this. She sounds like a little wild cat. Regarding Ember's troubles from a few months ago, the diarrhea is long gone. I now feed her two 3 oz cans of Wellness a day, as well as some Kitty Kaviar. She's lost a little weight, but nothing like last year. I'm pretty sure that the loud breathing/panting was a reaction to the high dose of Flagyl, which I stopped. I haven't heard it happen since that particular episode. I got her onto pumpkin for a week or so after that, and that seemed to help take care of the diarrhea. I've been meaning to write the list to see what the blandest, organic/natural dry food with a single source of protein might be. I tried a little Wellness CORE on her, and it went right through. Lance On Mar 2, 2008, at 1:08 PM, wendy wrote: Hey Lance, I'm trying to catch up on the posts this weekend (while we replace siding on our house that our dogs chewed completely through!!!). I read about Ember's stool issues last month and breathing issues. Is she doing ok? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: Lance, How is Ember doing?
Initially, I stirred it into her food, but then I discovered that she'd just eat it by itself. We did that some, too. On Mar 2, 2008, at 5:33 PM, Gloria Lane wrote: Lance, how did you feed the pumpkin? Syringe, or mixing it with other food, or what? Thanks! Gloria On Mar 2, 2008, at 5:24 PM, Lance wrote: Hi Wendy, Thanks for asking about Ember. She's doing really well. She was going nuts earlier, running around batting one of her mice. She got it into the bathtub somehow, and was after in there, too. She's very vocal when she's doing all this. She sounds like a little wild cat. Regarding Ember's troubles from a few months ago, the diarrhea is long gone. I now feed her two 3 oz cans of Wellness a day, as well as some Kitty Kaviar. She's lost a little weight, but nothing like last year. I'm pretty sure that the loud breathing/panting was a reaction to the high dose of Flagyl, which I stopped. I haven't heard it happen since that particular episode. I got her onto pumpkin for a week or so after that, and that seemed to help take care of the diarrhea. I've been meaning to write the list to see what the blandest, organic/natural dry food with a single source of protein might be. I tried a little Wellness CORE on her, and it went right through. Lance On Mar 2, 2008, at 1:08 PM, wendy wrote: Hey Lance, I'm trying to catch up on the posts this weekend (while we replace siding on our house that our dogs chewed completely through!!!). I read about Ember's stool issues last month and breathing issues. Is she doing ok? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: Lance, How is Ember doing?
Hey Lance, I laughed when I pictured Ember batting around her toy in the tub while making loud kitty noises...aren't those the moments we all live for??? :) Have you tried Evo dry with Ember? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2008 5:24:54 PM Subject: Re: Lance, How is Ember doing? Hi Wendy, Thanks for asking about Ember. She's doing really well. She was going nuts earlier, running around batting one of her mice. She got it into the bathtub somehow, and was after in there, too. She's very vocal when she's doing all this. She sounds like a little wild cat. Regarding Ember's troubles from a few months ago, the diarrhea is long gone. I now feed her two 3 oz cans of Wellness a day, as well as some Kitty Kaviar. She's lost a little weight, but nothing like last year. I'm pretty sure that the loud breathing/panting was a reaction to the high dose of Flagyl, which I stopped. I haven't heard it happen since that particular episode. I got her onto pumpkin for a week or so after that, and that seemed to help take care of the diarrhea. I've been meaning to write the list to see what the blandest, organic/natural dry food with a single source of protein might be. I tried a little Wellness CORE on her, and it went right through. Lance On Mar 2, 2008, at 1:08 PM, wendy wrote: Hey Lance, I'm trying to catch up on the posts this weekend (while we replace siding on our house that our dogs chewed completely through!!!). I read about Ember's stool issues last month and breathing issues. Is she doing ok? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: Ember and the Scary Mistake
On this: Numerous years ago my vet called in a prescription for Ebony Thomas Katt.the drugstore got the dose wrong big time. (Yes, I am sure it was the drugstore). A year or so the vet called in a drug for worms for my ferals. The drugstore (another one to be sure) copied down a drug for cancer. I suspect we need to double check and then check again when it comes to our furry family members. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 8:34 AM Subject: Re: Ember and the Scary Mistake Computer error??? It sounds as though the vet made a 'scary mistake' and rather than honesty and responsibility, she is playing defense, which is equally scary. I would stop the Metronidazole. It seems that Ember had a violent reaction to the overdose and needs time to process that assault. Also, why Metronidazole? Wasn't her last stool normal? I do not understand why the vet is prescribing it. Did she run tests on her stool? What was her diagnosis? I wish your trusted vet were available to you (and Ember). Is there any way you can contact her or get a referral for a vet who has experience with FeLK. I would not trust someone who resorts to the 'computer error' card. How is Ember now? How have her stools been? Fingers still crossed. Jane On Jan 25, 2008, at 9:27 PM, Lance wrote: I talked to the vet we saw last night to ask about the odd exhaling Ember did. We discussed it for awhile, and she really couldn't say with any certainty what might have caused it. She said that Ember's lungs sounded good, and I would think that a lung problem would be a likely component in causing something like that. I'll just be paying close attention to see if it happens again. It's a really good thing I called, because I found out that Ember had been over-prescribed. Frankly, the whole thing sounds a little fishy to me, though I want to trust this vet. The label printed out and placed on the Metronidazole bottle was for two 50mg pills twice a day. The vet told me that should be for only 1 50mg pill twice a day. She also indicated that this is a small dose. She said that this is a computer error, but she also *told* me before I left that it was two pills twice a day. I wonder when she was planning on calling me about this! I gave Ember two pills last night and two this morning, but I will not give her any meds tonight, and I'm really not sure of what to do in general. I hate to critique someone who has vast amounts of education and experience over me. But, I'm concerned that this vet is not exactly sure of what's going on. When Ember had diarrhea a year and a half ago, another vet (who is now our normal vet) prescribed one 50mg Metronidazole once a day, and she only gave me five or so to give (i never did). Since Metronidazole is considered a potential carcinogen in people, and has, in admittedly rare cases, essentially destroyed an animal's nervous system, I'm really wishing I had a second opinion. I just don't want to haul Ember to another vet. Any thoughts? Lance
Re: Ember and the Scary Mistake
Computer error??? It sounds as though the vet made a 'scary mistake' and rather than honesty and responsibility, she is playing defense, which is equally scary. I would stop the Metronidazole. It seems that Ember had a violent reaction to the overdose and needs time to process that assault. Also, why Metronidazole? Wasn't her last stool normal? I do not understand why the vet is prescribing it. Did she run tests on her stool? What was her diagnosis? I wish your trusted vet were available to you (and Ember). Is there any way you can contact her or get a referral for a vet who has experience with FeLK. I would not trust someone who resorts to the 'computer error' card. How is Ember now? How have her stools been? Fingers still crossed. Jane On Jan 25, 2008, at 9:27 PM, Lance wrote: I talked to the vet we saw last night to ask about the odd exhaling Ember did. We discussed it for awhile, and she really couldn't say with any certainty what might have caused it. She said that Ember's lungs sounded good, and I would think that a lung problem would be a likely component in causing something like that. I'll just be paying close attention to see if it happens again. It's a really good thing I called, because I found out that Ember had been over-prescribed. Frankly, the whole thing sounds a little fishy to me, though I want to trust this vet. The label printed out and placed on the Metronidazole bottle was for two 50mg pills twice a day. The vet told me that should be for only 1 50mg pill twice a day. She also indicated that this is a small dose. She said that this is a computer error, but she also *told* me before I left that it was two pills twice a day. I wonder when she was planning on calling me about this! I gave Ember two pills last night and two this morning, but I will not give her any meds tonight, and I'm really not sure of what to do in general. I hate to critique someone who has vast amounts of education and experience over me. But, I'm concerned that this vet is not exactly sure of what's going on. When Ember had diarrhea a year and a half ago, another vet (who is now our normal vet) prescribed one 50mg Metronidazole once a day, and she only gave me five or so to give (i never did). Since Metronidazole is considered a potential carcinogen in people, and has, in admittedly rare cases, essentially destroyed an animal's nervous system, I'm really wishing I had a second opinion. I just don't want to haul Ember to another vet. Any thoughts? Lance
Re: Ember and loose stools
Lance, I hope this message finds Ember feeling better. Sometimes cats just get diarrhea from something they ate and it takes a while to get their system back on track. t Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, Last Saturday night, I came home to find a very large, very odorous, completely unformed poop in the box. Other than having soiled pants, Ember seemed fine. I held back food for about twelve hours, and then gave her a normal can but a small amount of dry food. She had another, similar bm on Monday morning, though the smell was greatly reduced. I stopped the dry food, but kept her on her Wellness cans. I'm just feeding more of it to make up for the loss of dry food. Tuesday, I spoke with my usual vet's husband (who is also a vet; my vet just had a baby), and he thought it might be bacterial overgrowth or something caused by Ember eating something she shouldn't have. The latter is certainly possible, as Ember sometimes seems to like to eat bits of fluff and fuzz off the floor (and *someone* doesn't vacuum as regularly as he should... that would be me). He suggested pumpkin, which I've been stirring into her Wellness. She's eating it pretty well, which leads me to mention that her appetite is good. Last night, Ember had a smaller, unformed poop. I looked a lot more closely at this one. There was a little dot of bright red blood, but that was all I could find. The color was a dark brown green. This poop was less smelly than either of the last two. I was so hopeful that the pumpkin would take care of this, or at least give her stools some form. I should mention that Ember is not acting differently in any way. She eats normally, and she's affectionate and very playful. So, right now I'm pretty nervous. I've made an appointment to see the vet, but I obviously can't see the vet who really knows Ember, and her husband is booked solid today. The vet we'll be seeing is someone I don't even know. Any thoughts on what I should ask or try to have her tested for? I'll definitely have a CBC, as Ember's due for that. Also, the vet mentioned treating with antibiotic, but he also mentioned treating with something with activated charcoal in it (it started with a d). What should I be expecting? I also ask that you keep Ember and I in your thoughts and prayers. Lance -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ember and the Scary Mistake
I had a call in to the same vet late yesterday afternoon, and she got back to me earlier this morning. I wanted to clarify the doses, after doing some reading that alarmed me about Metronidazole. I don't want to give Ember more than she needs (or any, if it can be helped). I'm mostly okay with the outcome of the conversation. The vet wants me to only give Ember one 50mg pill a day, and only through Monday. I gave her the dose for today, so she only has two more. That seems more realistic to me. Given that Ember showed high bacterial overgrowth on her test, it will hopefully help to alleviate that, but it won't be going for so long (and with doses so high) as I'd originally been told. Ember is doing well as far as her behavior goes. I'm hoping to get her to snuggle down for a nap in a few minutes. She had a small but solid bm last night, and I'll probably try to get her back on a little dry food tomorrow. I'm really glad she likes to eat pumpkin! Thanks to all for your concern. It's a comfort to have you on my side when things aren't going so well. Lance On Jan 26, 2008, at 8:34 AM, Jane Lyons wrote: Computer error??? It sounds as though the vet made a 'scary mistake' and rather than honesty and responsibility, she is playing defense, which is equally scary. I would stop the Metronidazole. It seems that Ember had a violent reaction to the overdose and needs time to process that assault. Also, why Metronidazole? Wasn't her last stool normal? I do not understand why the vet is prescribing it. Did she run tests on her stool? What was her diagnosis? I wish your trusted vet were available to you (and Ember). Is there any way you can contact her or get a referral for a vet who has experience with FeLK. I would not trust someone who resorts to the 'computer error' card. How is Ember now? How have her stools been? Fingers still crossed. Jane On Jan 25, 2008, at 9:27 PM, Lance wrote: I talked to the vet we saw last night to ask about the odd exhaling Ember did. We discussed it for awhile, and she really couldn't say with any certainty what might have caused it. She said that Ember's lungs sounded good, and I would think that a lung problem would be a likely component in causing something like that. I'll just be paying close attention to see if it happens again. It's a really good thing I called, because I found out that Ember had been over-prescribed. Frankly, the whole thing sounds a little fishy to me, though I want to trust this vet. The label printed out and placed on the Metronidazole bottle was for two 50mg pills twice a day. The vet told me that should be for only 1 50mg pill twice a day. She also indicated that this is a small dose. She said that this is a computer error, but she also *told* me before I left that it was two pills twice a day. I wonder when she was planning on calling me about this! I gave Ember two pills last night and two this morning, but I will not give her any meds tonight, and I'm really not sure of what to do in general. I hate to critique someone who has vast amounts of education and experience over me. But, I'm concerned that this vet is not exactly sure of what's going on. When Ember had diarrhea a year and a half ago, another vet (who is now our normal vet) prescribed one 50mg Metronidazole once a day, and she only gave me five or so to give (i never did). Since Metronidazole is considered a potential carcinogen in people, and has, in admittedly rare cases, essentially destroyed an animal's nervous system, I'm really wishing I had a second opinion. I just don't want to haul Ember to another vet. Any thoughts? Lance
Re: Ember and the Scary Mistake
Lance I am so happy to hear Ember ( I love her name) is feeling a bit better. My Tristan who is not felv+ had a problem with loose stool and he gets a fiber capsule every night and it is normal now.Dr. Jen said it it IBS irritable bowel syndrome.Take care of your baby girl and I will keep thinking good thoughts for you. Sherry and my 5 beautiful furkids,Rafferty,CousCous,Xander,Tristan abd Mystique :) Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a call in to the same vet late yesterday afternoon, and she got back to me earlier this morning. I wanted to clarify the doses, after doing some reading that alarmed me about Metronidazole. I don't want to give Ember more than she needs (or any, if it can be helped). I'm mostly okay with the outcome of the conversation. The vet wants me to only give Ember one 50mg pill a day, and only through Monday. I gave her the dose for today, so she only has two more. That seems more realistic to me. Given that Ember showed high bacterial overgrowth on her test, it will hopefully help to alleviate that, but it won't be going for so long (and with doses so high) as I'd originally been told. Ember is doing well as far as her behavior goes. I'm hoping to get her to snuggle down for a nap in a few minutes. She had a small but solid bm last night, and I'll probably try to get her back on a little dry food tomorrow. I'm really glad she likes to eat pumpkin! Thanks to all for your concern. It's a comfort to have you on my side when things aren't going so well. Lance On Jan 26, 2008, at 8:34 AM, Jane Lyons wrote: Computer error??? It sounds as though the vet made a 'scary mistake' and rather than honesty and responsibility, she is playing defense, which is equally scary. I would stop the Metronidazole. It seems that Ember had a violent reaction to the overdose and needs time to process that assault. Also, why Metronidazole? Wasn't her last stool normal? I do not understand why the vet is prescribing it. Did she run tests on her stool? What was her diagnosis? I wish your trusted vet were available to you (and Ember). Is there any way you can contact her or get a referral for a vet who has experience with FeLK. I would not trust someone who resorts to the 'computer error' card. How is Ember now? How have her stools been? Fingers still crossed. Jane On Jan 25, 2008, at 9:27 PM, Lance wrote: I talked to the vet we saw last night to ask about the odd exhaling Ember did. We discussed it for awhile, and she really couldn't say with any certainty what might have caused it. She said that Ember's lungs sounded good, and I would think that a lung problem would be a likely component in causing something like that. I'll just be paying close attention to see if it happens again. It's a really good thing I called, because I found out that Ember had been over-prescribed. Frankly, the whole thing sounds a little fishy to me, though I want to trust this vet. The label printed out and placed on the Metronidazole bottle was for two 50mg pills twice a day. The vet told me that should be for only 1 50mg pill twice a day. She also indicated that this is a small dose. She said that this is a computer error, but she also *told* me before I left that it was two pills twice a day. I wonder when she was planning on calling me about this! I gave Ember two pills last night and two this morning, but I will not give her any meds tonight, and I'm really not sure of what to do in general. I hate to critique someone who has vast amounts of education and experience over me. But, I'm concerned that this vet is not exactly sure of what's going on. When Ember had diarrhea a year and a half ago, another vet (who is now our normal vet) prescribed one 50mg Metronidazole once a day, and she only gave me five or so to give (i never did). Since Metronidazole is considered a potential carcinogen in people, and has, in admittedly rare cases, essentially destroyed an animal's nervous system, I'm really wishing I had a second opinion. I just don't want to haul Ember to another vet. Any thoughts? Lance - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
RE: Ember
Kenzie and Caroline, I'll be watching Ember like a hawk to see what happens. I'm waiting to hear back from the vet to see what I should do. Unfortunately for me, my vet is still on leave, and her husband (who she'd designated to take her place while away) was booked yesterday. I'm okay with the vet she saw, but would have liked it to have been my original vet. The sound Ember made was weird. Thinking about it, it wasn't like an inhale-exhale-inhale panting, but more like a long, loud exhale, almost like trying to push something out of her throat. It was an hour or so after I gave her the Flagyl, so I'm really baffled. She got off the bed, didn't look too good (tail down) then walked over to the food bowl and started eating. I'm really ready to get home to see her... Lance On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:16:05 -0500, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Lance: I would just say to keep a close eye on that panting. When I was in high school, we had an overweight, long haired older cat that started panting like a dog. Problem was, it was mid-July and a very hot one at that. My dad was still practicing veterinary medicine part-time at that point and I kept trying to get him to pay attention to it, but he kept blowing me off. Ultimately, the cat died on us within a few days. We found out later that he was having liver failure. Another vet told us that panting in a cat should never be blown off like that or blamed on heat, etc. Basically, sustained panting in a cat CAN be a very serious situation, so keep that in mind and be vigilant (which I already know you are with her). (Side note- yes, that cat's death caused an even bigger rift in our family due to what we all thought was my dad's veterinary malpractice on our own cat. I threw a fit. I know it seems that might be nice to have a vet in the family, but keep in mind that it depends on the vet! Since we weren't paying customers sometimes, horribly, we got ignored. Sigh). caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ember Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:43:42 -0600 Hi Jane, Thanks for thinking of us. Tests seemed to indicate that it's an issue of bacterial overgrowth in the GI tract. Vet prescribed 10 days of metronidazole for Ember. Ironically, Ember had a formed bowel movement only a few hours after we got home. I also discovered that Ember likes to eat pumpkin without it being stirred in to her food. That might come in handy. My only concern is with something Ember did last night, probably an hour or more after her first dose. She made a strange panting sound for about ten seconds. It was a deep, breathy noise. I didn't hear it at all the rest of the night, though I was asleep for most of it, so I might have missed a reoccurrence. I'm carbon copying the list on my reply to you, in case anyone else might have an idea. Lance On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:34:45 -0500, Jane Lyons said: Lance how is she ? I'm thinking of you, with fingers crossed. Jane -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your fix. http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ember and
Lance, I was so glad to hear that you were able to get treatment for Ember. My prayers are definitely with you. Autumn was on metronidazole back in October and she used to gag terribly sometimes because of the medicine. Apparently it tastes terrible. Our vet had us cushion it in the syringe between coffee creamer - I used organic half and half. Sometimes it wasn't enough though and she reacted pretty dramatically with choking noises. I have heard about some possible negative neurological side effects to the drug, but Autumn didn't have any. She liked getting the creamer. Her stools also firmed up soon after. ~Susan A.
Re: Ember
Lance, could it be that it was the Flagyl that was lodged in her throat? Since her last stool was normal, maybe you should hold off on the Flagyl and just make sure that it wasn't panting, but rather trying to expel a pill. Don't panic...it could be the Flagyl (pill). Jane On Jan 25, 2008, at 2:49 PM, Lance wrote: Kenzie and Caroline, I'll be watching Ember like a hawk to see what happens. I'm waiting to hear back from the vet to see what I should do. Unfortunately for me, my vet is still on leave, and her husband (who she'd designated to take her place while away) was booked yesterday. I'm okay with the vet she saw, but would have liked it to have been my original vet. The sound Ember made was weird. Thinking about it, it wasn't like an inhale-exhale-inhale panting, but more like a long, loud exhale, almost like trying to push something out of her throat. It was an hour or so after I gave her the Flagyl, so I'm really baffled. She got off the bed, didn't look too good (tail down) then walked over to the food bowl and started eating. I'm really ready to get home to see her... Lance On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:16:05 -0500, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Lance: I would just say to keep a close eye on that panting. When I was in high school, we had an overweight, long haired older cat that started panting like a dog. Problem was, it was mid-July and a very hot one at that. My dad was still practicing veterinary medicine part-time at that point and I kept trying to get him to pay attention to it, but he kept blowing me off. Ultimately, the cat died on us within a few days. We found out later that he was having liver failure. Another vet told us that panting in a cat should never be blown off like that or blamed on heat, etc. Basically, sustained panting in a cat CAN be a very serious situation, so keep that in mind and be vigilant (which I already know you are with her). (Side note- yes, that cat's death caused an even bigger rift in our family due to what we all thought was my dad's veterinary malpractice on our own cat. I threw a fit. I know it seems that might be nice to have a vet in the family, but keep in mind that it depends on the vet! Since we weren't paying customers sometimes, horribly, we got ignored. Sigh). caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ember Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:43:42 -0600 Hi Jane, Thanks for thinking of us. Tests seemed to indicate that it's an issue of bacterial overgrowth in the GI tract. Vet prescribed 10 days of metronidazole for Ember. Ironically, Ember had a formed bowel movement only a few hours after we got home. I also discovered that Ember likes to eat pumpkin without it being stirred in to her food. That might come in handy. My only concern is with something Ember did last night, probably an hour or more after her first dose. She made a strange panting sound for about ten seconds. It was a deep, breathy noise. I didn't hear it at all the rest of the night, though I was asleep for most of it, so I might have missed a reoccurrence. I'm carbon copying the list on my reply to you, in case anyone else might have an idea. Lance On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:34:45 -0500, Jane Lyons said: Lance how is she ? I'm thinking of you, with fingers crossed. Jane -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®- get your fix. http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ember and the Scary Mistake
I talked to the vet we saw last night to ask about the odd exhaling Ember did. We discussed it for awhile, and she really couldn't say with any certainty what might have caused it. She said that Ember's lungs sounded good, and I would think that a lung problem would be a likely component in causing something like that. I'll just be paying close attention to see if it happens again. It's a really good thing I called, because I found out that Ember had been over-prescribed. Frankly, the whole thing sounds a little fishy to me, though I want to trust this vet. The label printed out and placed on the Metronidazole bottle was for two 50mg pills twice a day. The vet told me that should be for only 1 50mg pill twice a day. She also indicated that this is a small dose. She said that this is a computer error, but she also *told* me before I left that it was two pills twice a day. I wonder when she was planning on calling me about this! I gave Ember two pills last night and two this morning, but I will not give her any meds tonight, and I'm really not sure of what to do in general. I hate to critique someone who has vast amounts of education and experience over me. But, I'm concerned that this vet is not exactly sure of what's going on. When Ember had diarrhea a year and a half ago, another vet (who is now our normal vet) prescribed one 50mg Metronidazole once a day, and she only gave me five or so to give (i never did). Since Metronidazole is considered a potential carcinogen in people, and has, in admittedly rare cases, essentially destroyed an animal's nervous system, I'm really wishing I had a second opinion. I just don't want to haul Ember to another vet. Any thoughts? Lance
RE: Ember
Lance: I would just say to keep a close eye on that panting. When I was in high school, we had an overweight, long haired older cat that started panting like a dog. Problem was, it was mid-July and a very hot one at that. My dad was still practicing veterinary medicine part-time at that point and I kept trying to get him to pay attention to it, but he kept blowing me off. Ultimately, the cat died on us within a few days. We found out later that he was having liver failure. Another vet told us that panting in a cat should never be blown off like that or blamed on heat, etc. Basically, sustained panting in a cat CAN be a very serious situation, so keep that in mind and be vigilant (which I already know you are with her). (Side note- yes, that cat's death caused an even bigger rift in our family due to what we all thought was my dad's veterinary malpractice on our own cat. I threw a fit. I know it seems that might be nice to have a vet in the family, but keep in mind that it depends on the vet! Since we weren't paying customers sometimes, horribly, we got ignored. Sigh). caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ember Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:43:42 -0600 Hi Jane, Thanks for thinking of us. Tests seemed to indicate that it's an issue of bacterial overgrowth in the GI tract. Vet prescribed 10 days of metronidazole for Ember. Ironically, Ember had a formed bowel movement only a few hours after we got home. I also discovered that Ember likes to eat pumpkin without it being stirred in to her food. That might come in handy. My only concern is with something Ember did last night, probably an hour or more after her first dose. She made a strange panting sound for about ten seconds. It was a deep, breathy noise. I didn't hear it at all the rest of the night, though I was asleep for most of it, so I might have missed a reoccurrence. I'm carbon copying the list on my reply to you, in case anyone else might have an idea. Lance On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:34:45 -0500, Jane Lyons said: Lance how is she ? I'm thinking of you, with fingers crossed. Jane -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your fix. http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx
Re: Ember
Hi Jane, Thanks for thinking of us. Tests seemed to indicate that it's an issue of bacterial overgrowth in the GI tract. Vet prescribed 10 days of metronidazole for Ember. Ironically, Ember had a formed bowel movement only a few hours after we got home. I also discovered that Ember likes to eat pumpkin without it being stirred in to her food. That might come in handy. My only concern is with something Ember did last night, probably an hour or more after her first dose. She made a strange panting sound for about ten seconds. It was a deep, breathy noise. I didn't hear it at all the rest of the night, though I was asleep for most of it, so I might have missed a reoccurrence. I'm carbon copying the list on my reply to you, in case anyone else might have an idea. Lance On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:34:45 -0500, Jane Lyons said: Lance how is she ? I'm thinking of you, with fingers crossed. Jane -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ember and loose stools
Hi everyone, Last Saturday night, I came home to find a very large, very odorous, completely unformed poop in the box. Other than having soiled pants, Ember seemed fine. I held back food for about twelve hours, and then gave her a normal can but a small amount of dry food. She had another, similar bm on Monday morning, though the smell was greatly reduced. I stopped the dry food, but kept her on her Wellness cans. I'm just feeding more of it to make up for the loss of dry food. Tuesday, I spoke with my usual vet's husband (who is also a vet; my vet just had a baby), and he thought it might be bacterial overgrowth or something caused by Ember eating something she shouldn't have. The latter is certainly possible, as Ember sometimes seems to like to eat bits of fluff and fuzz off the floor (and *someone* doesn't vacuum as regularly as he should... that would be me). He suggested pumpkin, which I've been stirring into her Wellness. She's eating it pretty well, which leads me to mention that her appetite is good. Last night, Ember had a smaller, unformed poop. I looked a lot more closely at this one. There was a little dot of bright red blood, but that was all I could find. The color was a dark brown green. This poop was less smelly than either of the last two. I was so hopeful that the pumpkin would take care of this, or at least give her stools some form. I should mention that Ember is not acting differently in any way. She eats normally, and she's affectionate and very playful. So, right now I'm pretty nervous. I've made an appointment to see the vet, but I obviously can't see the vet who really knows Ember, and her husband is booked solid today. The vet we'll be seeing is someone I don't even know. Any thoughts on what I should ask or try to have her tested for? I'll definitely have a CBC, as Ember's due for that. Also, the vet mentioned treating with antibiotic, but he also mentioned treating with something with activated charcoal in it (it started with a d). What should I be expecting? I also ask that you keep Ember and I in your thoughts and prayers. Lance -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ember and (now) weight gain
Hello List, As you may recall, I posted a few weeks back about my FeLV+ girl, Ember, having lost weight since last January. I'd taken her off of EVO dry due to serious diarrhea. I don't think EVO is a bad food, and she did very well on it for many months before the diarrhea. Unfortunately, when I pulled dry food, Ember dropped almost 1.5 pounds over nine months or so. I've put Ember on one of the Wellness dry formulas, and she's gained about 8/10ths of a pound back. I'm pretty pleased. I'm curious to know what people think of Wellness, specifically of the pouched chunky food vs. the canned. Also, I purchased some Wellness CORE, but I'm a bit concerned it'll be too much for her. She's just getting the standard Wellness chicken dry food for now. I've found that Ember's appetite is easily stimulated with Kitty Kaviar, and at someone's suggestion, I've been putting just a bit of salt on the wet EVO that she still gets, and this seems to help. I'm very relived that dry food did the trick, and my vet is, too. This has been a Fluffy Pants status update. Lance -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Ember and (now) weight gain
I feed mine Wellness wet--- have two who just put on the pounds if they so much look at food. But I also have 3 who must have some dry food and I did try the Wellness dry. None of them really liked it--and I tried twice. I feed wet primarily but give them a bit of dry in the late evening. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Ember and (now) weight gain Hello List, As you may recall, I posted a few weeks back about my FeLV+ girl, Ember, having lost weight since last January. I'd taken her off of EVO dry due to serious diarrhea. I don't think EVO is a bad food, and she did very well on it for many months before the diarrhea. Unfortunately, when I pulled dry food, Ember dropped almost 1.5 pounds over nine months or so. I've put Ember on one of the Wellness dry formulas, and she's gained about 8/10ths of a pound back. I'm pretty pleased. I'm curious to know what people think of Wellness, specifically of the pouched chunky food vs. the canned. Also, I purchased some Wellness CORE, but I'm a bit concerned it'll be too much for her. She's just getting the standard Wellness chicken dry food for now. I've found that Ember's appetite is easily stimulated with Kitty Kaviar, and at someone's suggestion, I've been putting just a bit of salt on the wet EVO that she still gets, and this seems to help. I'm very relived that dry food did the trick, and my vet is, too. This has been a Fluffy Pants status update. Lance -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Ember and (now) weight gain
I LOOOVE the Wellness! All my cats are on it- personal cats and fosters. I have some foster kittens under 1 year old, so they are on Wellness canned kitten (at night) and the Wellness chicken dry that is for kittens and adults. They love love love it. I have one cat that is 1 year and 2 months and she eats the dry wellness with the kittens and then regular adult wellness canned at night. I did have her on Wellness Core for months. She came to me as a rescued owner surrender to metro AC and altho she was already a spayed, declawed, indoor house cat, she seems skinny and teeny for her age- at that time, almost 1 year. Her neck was really small and she looked funny/frail- altho she's a tortie- she seemed to have a siamese face- and I realized now it's b/c she was just slightly undernourished, but not so much to have affected her skin and coat yet. She packed on muscle after being with me only 2 weeks. Now, she's a super healthy 1 year old and she's beefy- but doesn't have an once of fat on her. I really think the months of Core really beefed her up. However, when I started taking in more kittens and feeding them the regular wellness dry, she started trying to always eat it. She liked the Core, but she PREFERRED the regular wellness more. Eventually, I had to transition her to wellness dry as it was easier to keep everyone on the same food and the kittens really shouldn't be eating non-kitten food like Core. So, I think either is good. While I suspect the Core- being that it's based on the raw food diet for cats- would be the most protein-packed, the regular wellness that is for kittens and adults is still really really good. You can put Ember on kitten wet food since you are worried about her weight loss and caloric intake. It doesn't matter how old she is...if she had lost weight and needs to beef up, the extra calories in kitten food is essential. I would feed her Wellness kitten. Mine love it and it's just so high-qual- you can tell just by looking at it. I have had kittens turn down Science Diet kitten wet, but none so far can resist the wellness! I have given the new wellness pouches only to my 1 year old tortie as a treat meal about once a week. They do have a lot of gravy and you will notice the canned wellness is not swimming in gravy, so I didn't want her to get fat. I think kitten wet wellness would be preferable to feed Ember than a diet of the pouches, but that's just me. I think they are nice as a special treat, but my tortie doesn't seem to care, as she loves any wellness wet- whether from a can or a pouch! You can also try adding some supplements to the wet food like Nutrical- to get in even more calories. The biggest danger with a cat with weight loss is fatty liver disease and Nutrical alone (for a cat not eating at all), can stave this off. I have added it to the food of the starving, malnourished outside cat I found a while ago and it worked well. Other supplements I use on foster kittens who need to beef up and get extra calories and help fighting off URIs are: Brewer's yeast (but start adding it very slowly for a cat- just a sprinkle and work your way up from there); Just Born with Colostrum- which you can order online. It can be used as a supplement for kittens and adult cats- sprinkle and mix into wet food- it's not just a powdered milk formula for baby kitties. Since Ember is Felv+, if you aren't already using this, you need to b/c of the colostrum that's in it. One container lasts a long long time, so it's worth it; also, L-Lysine; and Salmon oil. I don't use all supplements in each meal- I alternate them. I find the cats actually like the Brewer's yeast the most being added to their food-- they can tell when it's in there and when I forgot to add it/was being lazy. My tortie will not eat all her wet food unless she has some BY in it! I think a lot of this info is a repeat of past posts, so if you want more detailed info about Brewer's Yeast and/or colostrum and Just Born, you can look thru the archives for emails with these topic headlines b/c I know they were discussed back over the past summer and fall. You can also look for my ?'s and answers I received to my posts about my malnorished rescue cat from the summer. There should be info there about beefing up a cat with weight loss -Caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Ember and (now) weight gain Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:49:13 -0600 Hello List, As you may recall, I posted a few weeks back about my FeLV+ girl, Ember, having lost weight since last January. I'd taken her off of EVO dry due to serious diarrhea. I don't think EVO is a bad food, and she did very well on it for many months before the diarrhea. Unfortunately, when I pulled dry food, Ember dropped almost 1.5 pounds over nine months or so. I've put Ember on one of the Wellness dry formulas, and she's gained about
Re: Ember and (now) weight gain
Hi Lance Glad that Ember is gaining weight ...that is really good news. The Whole Dog Journal does a yearly evaluation of commercial pet food and they always rate Wellness very highly. I discovered Petguard (wet) which is the Whole Foods label. It is the first food that MeMe really loves and it has helped her kick her Fancy Feast habit and to gain almost two (needed) pounds. Lance, where do you get Maitake DMG liquid? We are coming to the end of a large bottle that we got from the vet and I need to order more. Thanks always for your help. Jane On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:49 PM, Lance wrote: Hello List, As you may recall, I posted a few weeks back about my FeLV+ girl, Ember, having lost weight since last January. I'd taken her off of EVO dry due to serious diarrhea. I don't think EVO is a bad food, and she did very well on it for many months before the diarrhea. Unfortunately, when I pulled dry food, Ember dropped almost 1.5 pounds over nine months or so. I've put Ember on one of the Wellness dry formulas, and she's gained about 8/10ths of a pound back. I'm pretty pleased. I'm curious to know what people think of Wellness, specifically of the pouched chunky food vs. the canned. Also, I purchased some Wellness CORE, but I'm a bit concerned it'll be too much for her. She's just getting the standard Wellness chicken dry food for now. I've found that Ember's appetite is easily stimulated with Kitty Kaviar, and at someone's suggestion, I've been putting just a bit of salt on the wet EVO that she still gets, and this seems to help. I'm very relived that dry food did the trick, and my vet is, too. This has been a Fluffy Pants status update. Lance -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lance/Ember
I just came into this thread please take Ember in to see your vet! Any lump in the neck area, especially after vaccinations there (which should NEVER be done - NO vaccinations are supposed to be done in the scruff anymore!) is suspect. Take her in asap have it biopsied. Pam Lance wrote: Ember is five and a half. She hasn't gotten any vax except for her first rabies (I think) since I adopted her when she was seven months old. Again, I think I'm being, as Ned Flanders would say, a nervous Nelly, but that's not unusual. Lance On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:35:25 -0500, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Lance - how old is she? Vaccinations have not been given in the neck/scruff in quite some time. Most of my cats have never gotten a vaccination in the neck, but most of my cats are relatively young. On 10/12/07, Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jane, The bump is on the side of her neck, I think. I don't think it's related to a gland. It may just be a pimple. It doesn't seem to go deeper than the skin, and it's small. After reading about vax site sarcomas, I don't *think* it could be that. I don't know where vax are given when they're given in the neck, but it's certainly not on the scruff. I think and hope I'm getting anxious over nothing. Lance On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:33:13 -0400, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Lance could the bump you discovered at Ember's neck could be a gland ? Is it at the base of her neck? Jane -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Lance/Ember
Hi. Frankie's lump on the side of his neck was metastisized lung cancer I would see a vet asap. Laurie - Original Message - From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:05 PM Subject: Re: Lance/Ember I just came into this thread please take Ember in to see your vet! Any lump in the neck area, especially after vaccinations there (which should NEVER be done - NO vaccinations are supposed to be done in the scruff anymore!) is suspect. Take her in asap have it biopsied. Pam Lance wrote: Ember is five and a half. She hasn't gotten any vax except for her first rabies (I think) since I adopted her when she was seven months old. Again, I think I'm being, as Ned Flanders would say, a nervous Nelly, but that's not unusual. Lance On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:35:25 -0500, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Lance - how old is she? Vaccinations have not been given in the neck/scruff in quite some time. Most of my cats have never gotten a vaccination in the neck, but most of my cats are relatively young. On 10/12/07, Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jane, The bump is on the side of her neck, I think. I don't think it's related to a gland. It may just be a pimple. It doesn't seem to go deeper than the skin, and it's small. After reading about vax site sarcomas, I don't *think* it could be that. I don't know where vax are given when they're given in the neck, but it's certainly not on the scruff. I think and hope I'm getting anxious over nothing. Lance On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:33:13 -0400, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Lance could the bump you discovered at Ember's neck could be a gland ? Is it at the base of her neck? Jane -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Lance/Ember
oops. I mean Teddy. Sorry Frankie! L - Original Message - From: laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:42 PM Subject: Re: Lance/Ember Hi. Frankie's lump on the side of his neck was metastisized lung cancer I would see a vet asap. Laurie - Original Message - From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:05 PM Subject: Re: Lance/Ember I just came into this thread please take Ember in to see your vet! Any lump in the neck area, especially after vaccinations there (which should NEVER be done - NO vaccinations are supposed to be done in the scruff anymore!) is suspect. Take her in asap have it biopsied. Pam Lance wrote: Ember is five and a half. She hasn't gotten any vax except for her first rabies (I think) since I adopted her when she was seven months old. Again, I think I'm being, as Ned Flanders would say, a nervous Nelly, but that's not unusual. Lance On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:35:25 -0500, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Lance - how old is she? Vaccinations have not been given in the neck/scruff in quite some time. Most of my cats have never gotten a vaccination in the neck, but most of my cats are relatively young. On 10/12/07, Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jane, The bump is on the side of her neck, I think. I don't think it's related to a gland. It may just be a pimple. It doesn't seem to go deeper than the skin, and it's small. After reading about vax site sarcomas, I don't *think* it could be that. I don't know where vax are given when they're given in the neck, but it's certainly not on the scruff. I think and hope I'm getting anxious over nothing. Lance On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:33:13 -0400, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Lance could the bump you discovered at Ember's neck could be a gland ? Is it at the base of her neck? Jane -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Lance/Ember
I would consider going in, however, I couldn't find the bump earlier when I looked, and I just tried two more times. I may have made it sound huge. To me, *anything* unusual is huge. But really, it was more like a small pimple, and I don't think it could be related to anything especially nasty. That said, if we can find it, and if it's changed, you can bet we'll be going in to the vet this week. I honestly appreciate the warnings. Thank you for being concerned about my little Fluffy Pants. Lance On Oct 14, 2007, at 7:42 PM, laurieskatz wrote: Hi. Frankie's lump on the side of his neck was metastisized lung cancer I would see a vet asap. Laurie - Original Message - From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:05 PM Subject: Re: Lance/Ember I just came into this thread please take Ember in to see your vet! Any lump in the neck area, especially after vaccinations there (which should NEVER be done - NO vaccinations are supposed to be done in the scruff anymore!) is suspect. Take her in asap have it biopsied. Pam Lance wrote: Ember is five and a half. She hasn't gotten any vax except for her first rabies (I think) since I adopted her when she was seven months old. Again, I think I'm being, as Ned Flanders would say, a nervous Nelly, but that's not unusual. Lance On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:35:25 -0500, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Lance - how old is she? Vaccinations have not been given in the neck/scruff in quite some time. Most of my cats have never gotten a vaccination in the neck, but most of my cats are relatively young. On 10/12/07, Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jane, The bump is on the side of her neck, I think. I don't think it's related to a gland. It may just be a pimple. It doesn't seem to go deeper than the skin, and it's small. After reading about vax site sarcomas, I don't *think* it could be that. I don't know where vax are given when they're given in the neck, but it's certainly not on the scruff. I think and hope I'm getting anxious over nothing. Lance On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:33:13 -0400, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Lance could the bump you discovered at Ember's neck could be a gland ? Is it at the base of her neck? Jane -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Lance/Ember
Ember is five and a half. She hasn't gotten any vax except for her first rabies (I think) since I adopted her when she was seven months old. Again, I think I'm being, as Ned Flanders would say, a nervous Nelly, but that's not unusual. Lance On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:35:25 -0500, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Lance - how old is she? Vaccinations have not been given in the neck/scruff in quite some time. Most of my cats have never gotten a vaccination in the neck, but most of my cats are relatively young. On 10/12/07, Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jane, The bump is on the side of her neck, I think. I don't think it's related to a gland. It may just be a pimple. It doesn't seem to go deeper than the skin, and it's small. After reading about vax site sarcomas, I don't *think* it could be that. I don't know where vax are given when they're given in the neck, but it's certainly not on the scruff. I think and hope I'm getting anxious over nothing. Lance On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:33:13 -0400, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Lance could the bump you discovered at Ember's neck could be a gland ? Is it at the base of her neck? Jane -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lance/Ember
Lance - how old is she? Vaccinations have not been given in the neck/scruff in quite some time. Most of my cats have never gotten a vaccination in the neck, but most of my cats are relatively young. On 10/12/07, Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jane, The bump is on the side of her neck, I think. I don't think it's related to a gland. It may just be a pimple. It doesn't seem to go deeper than the skin, and it's small. After reading about vax site sarcomas, I don't *think* it could be that. I don't know where vax are given when they're given in the neck, but it's certainly not on the scruff. I think and hope I'm getting anxious over nothing. Lance On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:33:13 -0400, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Lance could the bump you discovered at Ember's neck could be a gland ? Is it at the base of her neck? Jane -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Lance/Ember
Jane, The bump is on the side of her neck, I think. I don't think it's related to a gland. It may just be a pimple. It doesn't seem to go deeper than the skin, and it's small. After reading about vax site sarcomas, I don't *think* it could be that. I don't know where vax are given when they're given in the neck, but it's certainly not on the scruff. I think and hope I'm getting anxious over nothing. Lance On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:33:13 -0400, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Lance could the bump you discovered at Ember's neck could be a gland ? Is it at the base of her neck? Jane -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lance/Ember
Lance could the bump you discovered at Ember's neck could be a gland ? Is it at the base of her neck? Jane
Update Re: Ember and weight loss
Thank you Jane, MC, Marylyn, Caroline, Tonya, Belinda and Wendy for your thoughts and advice. I wanted to wait for a week or so in order to report back what I hoped would be a uptick in Ember's weight. Unfortunately, she's still hanging around the general 9 1/12 pounds area. Probably optimistic of me to think that just more regular Sheba would push it up. I picked up a baby scale last week so that I can weigh her here at home. I ordered small bags of Wellness CORE, Wellness Adult Complete Health Chicken and EVO based on what y'all said. I'm going to try the EVO again in smaller portions, and since it's something of a kitten food, I'm hoping it'll help put some weight back on. If there's a problem with it, I have the Wellness options to fall back on. Marylyn, I looked at Just Born and may pick up some. I'm just unsure about mixing that and Transfer Factor, since TF has colostrum (or something colostrum-esque). Looked interesting, though, especially since they mentioned giving it to pregnant or nursing adults. Once I get the dry food (hopefully by the end of the week), I'm going to give Ember a few more weeks before I take her back in, hoping that her weight will go up. If not, I'll definitely look into the thyroid tests. My vet didn't seem to think the thyroid could be the problem, and the symptoms I've read about for kitty thyroid issues don't seem to match what's going on here, but I'd rather be safe than sorry. Thank you all again for your replies. Lance
Re: Ember and weight loss
Yes, if you go this route ask for a full thyroid panel. There is a 'basic' test. I don't remember which one.. which can come out negative when your cat really does have a thyroid problem. t wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Lance, Checking the thyroid is a good idea because cats with thyroid issues often can't gain weight no matter how much they eat. Let us know how the test goes. The test is called a T4, and some vets also take a free T4. I don't know what else to tell you about the weight loss. Did your vet offer any other possible explanations? You could try to introduce the Evo back slowly as you said. If she has another reaction, maybe she has an allergy to something in the food, which would be good for you to know. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Lance To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 5:39:01 PM Subject: Ember and weight loss Ember went to the vet today for a CBC. We go roughly every three months. For the last eight or nine months, Ember has been losing weight. This particular problem started around last Christmas, when Ember developed diarrhea, and I had no idea of how to get rid of it. Pumpkin helped a little, but I was reluctant to try anything else, especially since it really didn't seem to be an infection. I decided to take Ember off of Innova EVO dry, and the diarrhea almost promptly went away. Since then, Ember has been dropping weight. She's lost about 1.8 pounds since that time until today, when she weighed 9.5 pounds. Now, this might be my fault. I hope it is, as that would be the easiest thing to fix. I've only been giving her a can of EVO a day for most of the time, and that might not be enough. In the last few weeks, I've also given her two cans of Sheba a week as treats. Ember's CBC was normal, which, in her case, means good red blood cell count, and just below normal white blood cell count. The vet doesn't think that this is thyroid-related, but I might have her run that test on Ember in a few weeks. Ember eats well (especially the Sheba). She is playful and loving as always. Should I try a brand new bag of EVO dry to see what adding that back might do? I would add that *very slowly*. Would it be okay for me to bump up Sheba, and has anyone fed much Sheba? The vet wanted Ember to come back in to be weighed in a few weeks, but I'd rather do that at home. Is there a postal or baby scale with which anyone here has had good results? Thank you, Lance Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html
Re: Ember and weight loss
FreeT4 is the test you want to do if there is any possibility of the T4 being incorrect. Fred's T4 was normal but his FreeT4 showed he was in the early stages of hyperthyroid, so we caught it early and he only needed a very low dose of iodine when he had the treatment and I got to bring him home the next day. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Ember and weight loss
Hey Lance, Checking the thyroid is a good idea because cats with thyroid issues often can't gain weight no matter how much they eat. Let us know how the test goes. The test is called a T4, and some vets also take a free T4. I don't know what else to tell you about the weight loss. Did your vet offer any other possible explanations? You could try to introduce the Evo back slowly as you said. If she has another reaction, maybe she has an allergy to something in the food, which would be good for you to know. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 5:39:01 PM Subject: Ember and weight loss Ember went to the vet today for a CBC. We go roughly every three months. For the last eight or nine months, Ember has been losing weight. This particular problem started around last Christmas, when Ember developed diarrhea, and I had no idea of how to get rid of it. Pumpkin helped a little, but I was reluctant to try anything else, especially since it really didn't seem to be an infection. I decided to take Ember off of Innova EVO dry, and the diarrhea almost promptly went away. Since then, Ember has been dropping weight. She's lost about 1.8 pounds since that time until today, when she weighed 9.5 pounds. Now, this might be my fault. I hope it is, as that would be the easiest thing to fix. I've only been giving her a can of EVO a day for most of the time, and that might not be enough. In the last few weeks, I've also given her two cans of Sheba a week as treats. Ember's CBC was normal, which, in her case, means good red blood cell count, and just below normal white blood cell count. The vet doesn't think that this is thyroid-related, but I might have her run that test on Ember in a few weeks. Ember eats well (especially the Sheba). She is playful and loving as always. Should I try a brand new bag of EVO dry to see what adding that back might do? I would add that *very slowly*. Would it be okay for me to bump up Sheba, and has anyone fed much Sheba? The vet wanted Ember to come back in to be weighed in a few weeks, but I'd rather do that at home. Is there a postal or baby scale with which anyone here has had good results? Thank you, Lance Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html
Re: Ember and weight loss
What were his creatinine, BUN, phosphorus, potassium and HCT, those are the big numbers concerning CRF? What lab were they sent to? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Ember and weight loss
I don't know. I was floored recently to get two totally different reads on Bob's cbc's when I took him to a new vet. You might try going for a second opinion. My 'old' vet said cbc looked fine. My 'new' vet said the values showed the beginnings of crf and wants to start fluids and medications. I know it's expensive, but I was really floored at the different diagnoses I received within 2 weeks on the same cat and same symptoms. tonya Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ember went to the vet today for a CBC. We go roughly every three months. For the last eight or nine months, Ember has been losing weight. This particular problem started around last Christmas, when Ember developed diarrhea, and I had no idea of how to get rid of it. Pumpkin helped a little, but I was reluctant to try anything else, especially since it really didn't seem to be an infection. I decided to take Ember off of Innova EVO dry, and the diarrhea almost promptly went away. Since then, Ember has been dropping weight. She's lost about 1.8 pounds since that time until today, when she weighed 9.5 pounds. Now, this might be my fault. I hope it is, as that would be the easiest thing to fix. I've only been giving her a can of EVO a day for most of the time, and that might not be enough. In the last few weeks, I've also given her two cans of Sheba a week as treats. Ember's CBC was normal, which, in her case, means good red blood cell count, and just below normal white blood cell count. The vet doesn't think that this is thyroid-related, but I might have her run that test on Ember in a few weeks. Ember eats well (especially the Sheba). She is playful and loving as always. Should I try a brand new bag of EVO dry to see what adding that back might do? I would add that *very slowly*. Would it be okay for me to bump up Sheba, and has anyone fed much Sheba? The vet wanted Ember to come back in to be weighed in a few weeks, but I'd rather do that at home. Is there a postal or baby scale with which anyone here has had good results? Thank you, Lance
Re: Ember and weight loss
there are a couple of websites you can find with just normal searches that explain what all the test values should be, so you can help evaluate your vet's evaluation. i think i found them through a, feline blood test results search. (i'm still not back on my main computer, so can't find half my stuff.) even some of the standards are different--i think it seemed as if they might have changed in the past years? so some vets may be working with older guidelines. and it's not ALWAYS the numbers--it's the constellation of symptoms that count. a cat can have HORRIBLE numbers, but be so strong, or have more things to accomplish on its journey here, that it stays around way longer than it should--likewise, a kitty who tests out fine can crash in less than 24 hours. learn what values are most important in what conditions: belinda listed the ones for kidney problems; there's a different set for liver. that way, if you vet says your cat's bun is really high, and it's 36, you can say, um, well perhaps the most valuable thing this list can teach us is NOT to assume that our veterinarians know everything, or have encountered everything. what matters is their willingness to learn, to be open to our questions and the information we bring them from our own sources, and their commitment to we, their clients, and our cats. MC On 9/28/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What were his creatinine, BUN, phosphorus, potassium and HCT, those are the big numbers concerning CRF? What lab were they sent to? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Ember and weight loss
Hi Lance, Nina suggested I try feeding dry 'kitten' food (any decent brand) because the caloric value is much higher. I did, and MeMe has been eating it and steadily gaining weight. If Ember likes Sheba, I would bump it up. If she needs to gain weight I'd offer her anything (again, decent quality) that she will eat. I had to give up the notion of feeding a species appropriate diet. I am just grateful that she is eating dry kitten and gaining weight. I give her Sheba and a variety of 'quality' wet food that she sometimes tolerates if it is covered with warm water and 'lapable'. Hope she can pack some ounces back on. Jane On Sep 27, 2007, at 6:39 PM, Lance wrote: Ember went to the vet today for a CBC. We go roughly every three months. For the last eight or nine months, Ember has been losing weight. This particular problem started around last Christmas, when Ember developed diarrhea, and I had no idea of how to get rid of it. Pumpkin helped a little, but I was reluctant to try anything else, especially since it really didn't seem to be an infection. I decided to take Ember off of Innova EVO dry, and the diarrhea almost promptly went away. Since then, Ember has been dropping weight. She's lost about 1.8 pounds since that time until today, when she weighed 9.5 pounds. Now, this might be my fault. I hope it is, as that would be the easiest thing to fix. I've only been giving her a can of EVO a day for most of the time, and that might not be enough. In the last few weeks, I've also given her two cans of Sheba a week as treats. Ember's CBC was normal, which, in her case, means good red blood cell count, and just below normal white blood cell count. The vet doesn't think that this is thyroid-related, but I might have her run that test on Ember in a few weeks. Ember eats well (especially the Sheba). She is playful and loving as always. Should I try a brand new bag of EVO dry to see what adding that back might do? I would add that *very slowly*. Would it be okay for me to bump up Sheba, and has anyone fed much Sheba? The vet wanted Ember to come back in to be weighed in a few weeks, but I'd rather do that at home. Is there a postal or baby scale with which anyone here has had good results? Thank you, Lance
Re: Ember and weight loss
i think that many of us have found, no matter what WE might have thought, that sometimes the best diet for a cat--especially one with an underlying problem--is whatever the heck they'll eat we all know 20-year-old cats who've never seen anything but meowmix, after all. sigh. wondering if you did any probiotics stuff when she had the diarrhea--i know that i've heard that sometimes the EVO can cause it, but so MANY things can cause diarrhea that it's often hard to track down. for my kids, i do a slurry of pumpkin and yogurt--they love it (well, jess doesn't even wait for the yogurt to be added--or for the pumpkin to be out of the can, for that matter), it's good for them, it adds in good gut flora (it's cheap) if the sheba is making her happy, well, i'd go for it. i'm also with nina on dry kitten food in terms of calories, but it's so rich that for SOME adults, it can cause the runs as well ember's being happy and playful is really the most important thing, tho... unfortunately, i have no answers, but sometimes the numbers aren't the most important things... MC On 9/27/07, Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ember went to the vet today for a CBC. We go roughly every three months. For the last eight or nine months, Ember has been losing weight. This particular problem started around last Christmas, when Ember developed diarrhea, and I had no idea of how to get rid of it. Pumpkin helped a little, but I was reluctant to try anything else, especially since it really didn't seem to be an infection. I decided to take Ember off of Innova EVO dry, and the diarrhea almost promptly went away. Since then, Ember has been dropping weight. She's lost about 1.8 pounds since that time until today, when she weighed 9.5 pounds. Now, this might be my fault. I hope it is, as that would be the easiest thing to fix. I've only been giving her a can of EVO a day for most of the time, and that might not be enough. In the last few weeks, I've also given her two cans of Sheba a week as treats. Ember's CBC was normal, which, in her case, means good red blood cell count, and just below normal white blood cell count. The vet doesn't think that this is thyroid-related, but I might have her run that test on Ember in a few weeks. Ember eats well (especially the Sheba). She is playful and loving as always. Should I try a brand new bag of EVO dry to see what adding that back might do? I would add that *very slowly*. Would it be okay for me to bump up Sheba, and has anyone fed much Sheba? The vet wanted Ember to come back in to be weighed in a few weeks, but I'd rather do that at home. Is there a postal or baby scale with which anyone here has had good results? Thank you, Lance -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Ember and weight loss
Ember went to the vet today for a CBC. We go roughly every three months. For the last eight or nine months, Ember has been losing weight. This particular problem started around last Christmas, when Ember developed diarrhea, and I had no idea of how to get rid of it. Pumpkin helped a little, but I was reluctant to try anything else, especially since it really didn't seem to be an infection. I decided to take Ember off of Innova EVO dry, and the diarrhea almost promptly went away. Since then, Ember has been dropping weight. She's lost about 1.8 pounds since that time until today, when she weighed 9.5 pounds. Now, this might be my fault. I hope it is, as that would be the easiest thing to fix. I've only been giving her a can of EVO a day for most of the time, and that might not be enough. In the last few weeks, I've also given her two cans of Sheba a week as treats. Ember's CBC was normal, which, in her case, means good red blood cell count, and just below normal white blood cell count. The vet doesn't think that this is thyroid-related, but I might have her run that test on Ember in a few weeks. Ember eats well (especially the Sheba). She is playful and loving as always. Should I try a brand new bag of EVO dry to see what adding that back might do? I would add that *very slowly*. Would it be okay for me to bump up Sheba, and has anyone fed much Sheba? The vet wanted Ember to come back in to be weighed in a few weeks, but I'd rather do that at home. Is there a postal or baby scale with which anyone here has had good results? Thank you, Lance
RE: Ember and weight loss
We had a 19 year old cat that ate nothing but wet Whiskas (microwaved!) her entire life!!! My mom and I laugh and laugh about that now that we are spending so much money on Wellness and supplements! Who knows?! I try to tell her that now with the proper food and supplements, maybe our normal- non-Felv cats- will live to be 30! -Caroline Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:32:59 -0400From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Ember and weight lossi think that many of us have found, no matter what WE might have thought, that sometimes the best diet for a cat--especially one with an underlying problem--is whatever the heck they'll eat we all know 20-year-old cats who've never seen anything but meowmix, after all. sigh. wondering if you did any probiotics stuff when she had the diarrhea--i know that i've heard that sometimes the EVO can cause it, but so MANY things can cause diarrhea that it's often hard to track down. for my kids, i do a slurry of pumpkin and yogurt--they love it (well, jess doesn't even wait for the yogurt to be added--or for the pumpkin to be out of the can, for that matter), it's good for them, it adds in good gut flora (it's cheap) if the sheba is making her happy, well, i'd go for it. i'm also with nina on dry kitten food in terms of calories, but it's so rich that for SOME adults, it can cause the runs as well ember's being happy and playful is really the most important thing, tho... unfortunately, i have no answers, but sometimes the numbers aren't the most important things... MC On 9/27/07, Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ember went to the vet today for a CBC. We go roughly every three months. For the last eight or nine months, Ember has been losingweight. This particular problem started around last Christmas, whenEmber developed diarrhea, and I had no idea of how to get rid of it.Pumpkin helped a little, but I was reluctant to try anything else, especially since it really didn't seem to be an infection. I decidedto take Ember off of Innova EVO dry, and the diarrhea almost promptlywent away.Since then, Ember has been dropping weight. She's lost about 1.8pounds since that time until today, when she weighed 9.5 pounds. Now,this might be my fault. I hope it is, as that would be the easiestthing to fix. I've only been giving her a can of EVO a day for most of the time, and that might not be enough. In the last few weeks,I've also given her two cans of Sheba a week as treats.Ember's CBC was normal, which, in her case, means good red blood cellcount, and just below normal white blood cell count. The vet doesn't think that this is thyroid-related, but I might have her run thattest on Ember in a few weeks.Ember eats well (especially the Sheba). She is playful and loving asalways. Should I try a brand new bag of EVO dry to see what adding that back might do? I would add that *very slowly*. Would it be okayfor me to bump up Sheba, and has anyone fed much Sheba? The vetwanted Ember to come back in to be weighed in a few weeks, but I'drather do that at home. Is there a postal or baby scale with which anyone here has had good results?Thank you,Lance-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 289856892 _ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+worldmkt=en-USform=QBRE
