Re: Salvatore
Many prayers coming for Salvatore - wonderful boy! Gloria On Dec 9, 2007, at 5:28 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: hi all I need to ask for massive prayers for our sweet Sal,jen fears that he is becoming septic.She is doing all that she can right now for him.he has been through so much already,poor baby.He is a big sweet beautiful orange and white boy.Please add him to your prayers and good thoughts.We have lost so many this year to these aweful diseases.Thank you all so much!! Sherry Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: Kelly Saveika hearing... I agree, this OT topic should be closed !!
I agree. Glenda, this is so inappropriate for this list. This is an inflammatory issue that does *not* belong on our FELVtalk list, I think everyone else understands this. This is a Feline Leukemia list, and that's a very clear boundary. I think FELVtalk has always been lenient about OT topics, which is great, but you're not even masking it as OT. The problem is it's a disagreement between folks, and can only serve to alienate folks and create hostility on this list, and we need the list for FELV topics that are going to help FELV cats and their people. If we can't understand this voluntarily, let's get James, the moderator, involved. Gloria On Dec 12, 2007, at 11:28 AM, Susan Hoffman wrote: The way to cool it down is to tell people the topic is closed, place anyone who doesn't understand closed on moderated status, and delete posts on the topic. Unfortunately this sort of nastiness is why groups need moderators. Sometimes things get out of hand and someone has to step in and take charge of the situation. Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James wouldn't be the first moderator to do that. Michael has tried to cool it down on one of the Yahoo! lists, but apparently a few people have an overwhelming compulsion to keep this going. I'd say that's a pretty sad situation as well, considering that they obviously have lots of energy, and they could take that and devote it all to taking care of cats instead siphoning off some to beat dead horses. That's how it goes, I guess. Lance On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:09:19 -0800 (PST), Susan Hoffman said: And why is it on this list? I would ask the moderator to declare a moratorium on this topic. It has nothing to do with FeLV and has degenerated into a flaming war. MaryChristine wrote: glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only YOU. You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in the closets- no one else will. Best, Sheila Smith www.shadowcats.net Austin, Tx Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Archives
I certainly agree with that. Fiv is easy - I have several FIV cats, that never get sick. Well, I have 1 that's just turned diabetic, but other than that, no problem. I mix them with my non-FIV cats, no problem. FIP, another question, like she said. They can test for FIV/FELV in- house, so I'm wondering why they didnt do that. The FIP test is really for the corona virus, which, like she said, is pretty common among cats, especially shelter cats, it's just that in some cats it mutates and causes FIP. Gloria On Dec 25, 2007, at 2:22 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi Caroline, I can't tell you about the archives, but I can tell you about FIP and FIV. FIP is a rare mutation of a coronavirus that almost all cats that have been around other cats, shelter cats, etc have been exposed to. One of my vets puts the exposure rate to coronavirus at 95% at our local pound. So please DO NOT worry about contagion if the cat has FIP. It is a mutation. In the past it was thought that there wasn't a way to diagnose FIP without necropsy, but there are a couple of tests - these do not include the coronavirus titer test, which in and of itself means basically nothing. There is a good webinar about FIP on the Petsmart charities site, if you really want to spend your Christmas listening to a webinar on FIP. But in and of itself it IS NOT contagious. Coronavirus is contagious and it is likely that every cat in your house has been exposed to coronavirus. FIV is much harder to transmit than FELV. It is mostly transmitted through tomcats fighting and/or cats mating. If this is a tomcat and he has been fighting, he may have it, but unless he were to bite another cat in your household I would absolutely not worry. THe other thing about FIV is that there is an FIV vaccine, which once you have your cat vaccinated with he will always test + for FIV. There's a seperate test that purports to determine if the + result is from but you have to send the blood to a well-renowned university - I want to say it is UC Davis, but not quite sure. You don't say how old this cat is, but kittens can test FIV+ from maternal antibodies until about 6 months. IF you can send me a picture of the spay site I might be able to help you there. A little ooziness is normal. I may actually have follow up instructions on my computer I can send you, I will check. Feel free to call me if you like. On Dec 25, 2007 2:02 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't access the Archives. I keep trying and I keep getting an error message. It's not my internet service, obviously, or I wouldn't be able to send this email. Anyone else tried? I'd really like to get to the Archives because I took a cat into my home that I took from the store on Sat. because he looked horrible and no one else is doing anything about it (of course). Took him to the doctor yesterday (had to fight to get approval to even do that and the cat is obviously sickly looking- I'm so frustrated), and the vet is very concerned about infectious disease. Thank god- but I think he was shocked that the cat hasn't been treated yet, so I made it very very clear that I just got my hands on this cat and have been playing clean-up duty since the end of Aug. on these orphaned Metro AC June babies and that the group I VOLUNTEER FOR has made my self-appointed task of cleaning up their neglected messes, very very difficult. I didn't mince words. It was Christmas Eve and I spent 2 hours and 15 mins at the vets and NOT being able to work and I just cracked I guess. The vet is suspecting- based only on the physical exam b/c we won't get the blood tests (full panel) back on Wed. (hopefully)-- FIP, FIV, and/or Felv in that order. I am not so worried about Felv b/c I have dealt with that before and I just don't think it's transmitted that easily in non-fighting cats (my own opinion). But I have never dealt with FIP and FIV and this cat was mingled with my other fosters by the adoption agency I volunteer for before I ever even took in any cats. So basically I am freaking out that I may have FIP cats on my hands and not have known it b/c of course I am now wondering if that is what has been wrong with my weak little Possum cat all this time. I'm mad and scared and feel like I was asked to take in cats yet not given the resources to deal with them fully and protect them from each other; not to mention the caring for them with 2 hands tied behind my back b/c to get approval to take them to a vet (for the agency to pay for it) takes more arguing and hoop jumping-- the cat has to be practically dying to be able to get approval without being told things like well, if it would make YOU feel better...but I think you are overreacting. And I spent literally hundreds of dollars premium food and litter that I just don't have any money left over
Re: Prayers Please
I'm so sorry to hear about your Buddy. Have you tried low dose oral interferon? Dont know, might help though - especially since it might be easy to give (syringe) orally and the contact with the throat tissue might be good (again don't know here, just a thought! Prayers and good wishes going out for her. Gloria On Jan 1, 2008, at 9:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everybody Unfortunately I've returned fo rno so good reasons. Xmas day my Buddy (4.5years) cams down sick. She would hardly eat and was hiding most of day. she seemed to want to lick food but was too sore to swallow so she couldn't bear it - and she was gulping like when we have a sore throat. The first day she hadn't hit me round the face and nuzzled up to me in the morning for breakfast and cuddles. Got her to the vet on Thursday as soon as they reopened after xmas and boxing day. Her temperature was 105 and vet thought it was a throat infection and gave her the antibiotic injection - I'd prefer that if possible to avoid her being stressed about getting tablets in her. By saturaday she was no better and still not eaten and hardly drank much so panic set in. Took her back and saw a different vet who thought it was a calicibirus flare up cos her gums had inflammed - so we syringe fed her 15ml of Hills AD with some metacam for cats. I syringe fed her a bit more at home and repeated this again Sunday. Meanwhile I'd been to the sanctuary where I got her from and said I need help with the vet so their vet saw her yesterday - her temp was still 105 and still not eating. Syringe feeding is stressful for her but she just about tolerates 20ml feed. He gave her synolux antibiotic so now on tablets anyway so am doing that when I feed her. SHe switched into an unhappy poorly girl and now fed up being messed about feeding and going to vets. If no better tomorrow then she'll have bloods done to see if her FIV has progressed. She seems to have lost interest in food completely now and I don't know what else to do. I'm tried so many different foods to stimulate her with smell and although syringe feeding her AD is necessary at the moment it's stressing her more and I don't want to her to get scared of food. She will come of hiding now and stay out for a while but often I have to coax her out - she looks so tiny and lethargic - desperately nedd her temperture to come back down. She's is only 4 and this was so rapid I didn't it coming - poor girl is depressed. My FeLV girl Minstrel knows too and is obviously concerned about her. Any suggestions and prayers welcome cos I'm in bits at moment. Fortunately I've been off work this last week but supposed to be back in tomorrow and don't want to go at all. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble xxx
Please add to the Bridge List
I've had 2 cats die in the last two months, I am so sad to say. Please add to the bridge list. They were not FELV. Angel Moon was a 5-6 year old siamese girl, died Dec 14. She was a shy, scaredy cat - would come out to ask for food and go Meow-Meow, but wouldn't have any thing to do with people for the most part. I've had her for a year or so. Miss Hendrix was probably 8-10 yrs girl, a short but quite fat black kitty, really cute, funny and likeable. She's been with me 4 years, a real sweetie, looked great. She just developed a cold or something over the last couple of days, I was treating her, and suddenly there she was - it was a real shock to lose her late last night (February 5). Will probably have a necropsy. Thanks! Gloria
Re: for Gloria
Thanks so much, Kerry - They were both adorable in their own ways, and Hendrix had a possibility for adoption - someone wanted an FIV cat and Hendrix was FIV and really easy and friendly. Sigh. I appreciate your kind words so much. Gloria On Feb 6, 2008, at 10:14 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Oh Gloria, heartbreaking enough to lose Angel Moon so recently, but now to find Miss Hendrix has passed, and so suddenly and shockingly. I really am so sorry. Each of them sounds such an adorable sweetie in her own way. It's just so difficult when they endear themselves to us--and then they're just not there any more. At least the little souls knew they were much-loved and cared for. If you go ahead with the necrospy please do let us know the outcome when you have time. Much love and big hugs, Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Please add to the Bridge List I've had 2 cats die in the last two months, I am so sad to say. Please add to the bridge list. They were not FELV. Angel Moon was a 5-6 year old siamese girl, died Dec 14. She was a shy, scaredy cat - would come out to ask for food and go Meow-Meow, but wouldn't have any thing to do with people for the most part. I've had her for a year or so. Miss Hendrix was probably 8-10 yrs girl, a short but quite fat black kitty, really cute, funny and likeable. She's been with me 4 years, a real sweetie, looked great. She just developed a cold or something over the last couple of days, I was treating her, and suddenly there she was - it was a real shock to lose her late last night (February 5). Will probably have a necropsy. Thanks! Gloria _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Please add to the Bridge List
Thanks so much, Laurie - I'll let the group know about the necropsy. Hendrix was FIV, which I forgot to mention. But my FIV cats just go on and on and on, so... very sad. Gloria On Feb 6, 2008, at 8:39 AM, laurieskatz wrote: Prayers for your and your angels. I hope the necropsy gives you some answers... Laurie - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:10 AM Subject: Please add to the Bridge List I've had 2 cats die in the last two months, I am so sad to say. Please add to the bridge list. They were not FELV. Angel Moon was a 5-6 year old siamese girl, died Dec 14. She was a shy, scaredy cat - would come out to ask for food and go Meow- Meow, but wouldn't have any thing to do with people for the most part. I've had her for a year or so. Miss Hendrix was probably 8-10 yrs girl, a short but quite fat black kitty, really cute, funny and likeable. She's been with me 4 years, a real sweetie, looked great. She just developed a cold or something over the last couple of days, I was treating her, and suddenly there she was - it was a real shock to lose her late last night (February 5). Will probably have a necropsy. Thanks! Gloria
Re: Please add to the Bridge List
Thanks, Diane - I appreciate the kind words; Hendrix was a wonderful kitty, very near to getting adopted too, which is unusual for an FIV kitty. Gloria On Feb 6, 2008, at 8:47 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: I;m so sorry, Gloria. Gentle Bridge vibes to both your girls. I hope you find out what happened to Miss Hendrix. Hugs. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Please add to the Bridge List I've had 2 cats die in the last two months, I am so sad to say. Please add to the bridge list. They were not FELV. Angel Moon was a 5-6 year old siamese girl, died Dec 14. She was a shy, scaredy cat - would come out to ask for food and go Meow-Meow, but wouldn't have any thing to do with people for the most part. I've had her for a year or so. Miss Hendrix was probably 8-10 yrs girl, a short but quite fat black kitty, really cute, funny and likeable. She's been with me 4 years, a real sweetie, looked great. She just developed a cold or something over the last couple of days, I was treating her, and suddenly there she was - it was a real shock to lose her late last night (February 5). Will probably have a necropsy. Thanks! Gloria
Re: Computer Help
In your case, you're using the same email address from two different locations. I check my mail at 3 or 4 or 5 different locations, so sometimes it looks like G. Lane and sometimes Gloria and sometimes variations of that. So - Regarding the name - your name gets associated with your email address in the settings/options in the particular location - in the computers mail client (program). For example, with the first message you sent from home you used Outlook Express, as I recall, and you've set it up with your and your husbands names. However the one at your work place doesn't have this association, so it just uses the email addy.With Outlooks Express, I believe you set it at Tools-Accounts- Properties. Sometimes you'll need to look for settings to set your name. Anyhow - hope this helps. Gloria On Feb 8, 2008, at 7:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Lance, Actually when I got to work this morning I found the ones that had not come through at home last night in my spam file. All the messages that come to work go into my spam file even though I have the FeLV talk e-mail set up in my contact list. I guess I will just have to play with it and get used to the way it works. Thanks, Sue Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sue, Yes, when you reply to a message, it goes out to everyone. Usually, if you reply to the list from an email address different than the one you registered with, I don't believe the message goes through unless someone (James, maybe?) sees what's going on an manually puts it through. I've accidentally replied from a different email address a number of times, and it's going through now, though I don't think they used to. I have a very aggressive spam filter set up with my email provider, and a number of messages got tagged earlier this week. Maybe those are the ones to which you refer? That might be why you didn't receive the mails. I'm not sure that there is any particular help regarding these issues, other than the message you should have received when you signed up. Hope that helps. Lance On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 21:12:27 -0500, Sue Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Help! I seem to be having trouble getting around in this talk group. Are there directions anywhere on the website that would help? Or a FeLV talk for dummies message? I just went into the archives and found out I had missed some messages that were directed to me. When I reply to a message does it go out to everyone? I have noticed that when I write something from home it has our names under the from line and when I write from work it has my e-mail address there. Thanks for any help, Sue -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Immuno-Regullin and exercise
I would think you generally start now, before symptoms. When they start showing symptoms, it's too late. Gloria On Feb 8, 2008, at 8:32 PM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: When is the best time to start Immuno-Regulin? When they still have no symptoms? I can still hardly believe Buzz has this horrible disease. He seems so healthy and loves to play and has a great appetite. How often do the success stories like Minstrels come along? These postings have so much new information and the internet sights have so much conflicting information that it is hard to know what to think. I just know the little guy cleaning himself in my lap right now deserves all I can do for him. Does anyone know if a lot of playing exercise is good for a FeLV + cat? He chases his toys so hard that he gets out of breath sometimes. Buzz had some vaccinations about a month ago, is he still in danger? I have always had cats but this is so new and I feel so ignorant. I am so glad for this site, I have already learned more real information that seems like it will actually help Buzz then from all the reading I've done for the last several weeks since I learned he was FeLV positive. Thank you everybody for all your advise.
Re: Immuno-Regullin and exercise
Absolutely - hope it all works out. In my experience, with several young cats, that's been the situation. But only for the young ones less than 3 years old. Some of my older FELV cats do well. Think I've lost 5 or 6, and presently have 3, all over 3 years old. My point is that you need to start treating those young ones early, when they appear healthy and be absolutely consistent - not wait till they show symptoms. There's a tendency to wait, and you really need to start supporting them early... The ones I've had regularly on interferon have done well, but did die when they were about 2.5 years old, and when at the same time, for one reason or another (vacation, pet sitter, etc) they didn't get regular interferon or other appropriate support . My 3 older ones now don't get any extra supplements, and have done great (2 are 10 years, 1 is 4 years). They are in a very stable environment, get wet good cat food daily, and I don't know, just do great. Best of luck, Gloria On Feb 9, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Lance wrote: I think the better way to look at is: the sooner the better. Some positive cats get treated when they're extremely symptomatic and can recover from problems like nasty URIs or GI troubles. We've seen it here. But, it's better not to wait, and I think that this is one place where some vets do positive cats and their owners a real disservice. As some of you may remember, the vet that tested Ember and found her to be positive just suggested that we drop in every six months instead of every year. She said *nothing* about interferon, supplements, good food, low stress environments, etc. Not helpful! :( I've considered writing her a letter to relate my experiences. Lance On Feb 9, 2008, at 8:55 AM, Jane Lyons wrote: When they start showing symptoms, it's too late. I'm hoping you're wrong Gloria. We've managed to get rid of a lot of symptoms through homeopathy, supplements, quality food and excessive TLC. I couldn't bare to think it is too late. Jane On Feb 9, 2008, at 12:27 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: I would think you generally start now, before symptoms. When they start showing symptoms, it's too late. Gloria On Feb 8, 2008, at 8:32 PM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: When is the best time to start Immuno-Regulin? When they still have no symptoms? I can still hardly believe Buzz has this horrible disease. He seems so healthy and loves to play and has a great appetite. How often do the success stories like Minstrels come along? These postings have so much new information and the internet sights have so much conflicting information that it is hard to know what to think. I just know the little guy cleaning himself in my lap right now deserves all I can do for him. Does anyone know if a lot of playing exercise is good for a FeLV + cat? He chases his toys so hard that he gets out of breath sometimes. Buzz had some vaccinations about a month ago, is he still in danger? I have always had cats but this is so new and I feel so ignorant. I am so glad for this site, I have already learned more real information that seems like it will actually help Buzz then from all the reading I've done for the last several weeks since I learned he was FeLV positive. Thank you everybody for all your advise.
Re: Mysterio Please add to the CLS :(
I'm so sorry Sherry, for your loss of this beautiful cat - sleep soft sweet Mysterio. Gloria On Feb 13, 2008, at 4:47 AM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: I am sad to say that we lost sweet little Mysterio.He and his sister melina came into us about 3 weeks ago.The man that rescued him found him on his front porch almost dead.Then he brought him and Melina into Dr. Jen and she helped him through and he became the most beautiful fluffy black baby boy.We were working real hard getting them to trust us and he was just finally starting to purr when we held him.I will have to give his beautiful sister extra loving now that her brother is gone.Thank you all so much for being here for me. Sherry Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
Re: CLS ~ my cats lived LONG lives with FeLV
Some of mine are living long, not because anything I've done - Oliver and Chloe are 13 or 14. B.B. is only 4 or 5 - I'll have to check and see which. But he made it past the 2.5 to 3 yr mark! Gloria On Feb 13, 2008, at 7:00 PM, laurieskatz wrote: ok time for me to chime in again. Squeaky lived to age 22 and Stripes lived to age 16. They were both feline leuk positive. Stripes was sick on and off and Squeaky was healthy except his final 3 weeks. HOPE reigns! So little was known about FeLV at that time. I did NOTHING special for them (Squeaky died in 1996). All I did was love them and get Stripes to the vet when he was symptomatic. Laurie -
Re: CLS ~ my cats lived LONG lives with FeLV
They're doing pretty darn good - I never expected them to live this long. Have had so many die at 2.5 - 3 yrs old...it's nothing I've done for them (except love and stability and food). Gloria On Feb 14, 2008, at 4:03 PM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: That's just so wonderful Gloria! Congrats to your furballs! I figure they're pretty happy and stress-free living with mom. Kerry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 3:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: CLS ~ my cats lived LONG lives with FeLV Some of mine are living long, not because anything I've done - Oliver and Chloe are 13 or 14. B.B. is only 4 or 5 - I'll have to check and see which. But he made it past the 2.5 to 3 yr mark! Gloria On Feb 13, 2008, at 7:00 PM, laurieskatz wrote: ok time for me to chime in again. Squeaky lived to age 22 and Stripes lived to age 16. They were both feline leuk positive. Stripes was sick on and off and Squeaky was healthy except his final 3 weeks. HOPE reigns! So little was known about FeLV at that time. I did NOTHING special for them (Squeaky died in 1996). All I did was love them and get Stripes to the vet when he was symptomatic. Laurie - _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: diarrhea
I sometimes use veterinary Kaopectate. It's not what's on the store shelves, cause they've changed the formula and it's not safe for cats. But the old formulation was - and somehow, thru our vet, we got the safe old formulation of Kaopectate. It's worked well for my kitties, for many occasions of nonspecific diarrhea. Gloria On Feb 17, 2008, at 9:12 AM, Lynne wrote: Laurie, I will call the vet just to see if there is something else we should be doing. I just had a long talk with BooBoo about the necessity of fighting his hardest to overcome this problem. He was purring all the time. I know this sounds silly but it's up to him too as to how much he wants to put up with. This seems to be one of those bad days and we'll just deal with it. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:42 AM Subject: Re: diarrhea Lynne, I would also call your vet and let him or her know about the diarrhea. I want to reassure you that we thought both Midas and Isabella would not make it this past year. They are both thriving. It's hard to see past today's troubles but hope keeps us going. My best Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:39 AM Subject: Re: diarrhea Two weeks Laurie. I picked up some yogurt so I'll try offering him some of that. - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:14 AM Subject: Re: diarrhea Could be the different foods, too. Or stress. Or a combination of factors. The probiotics or yogurt mentioned might help with this. I recall that Midas the kitten had diarrhea until we got him off all his meds. I am sorry to hear BooBoo has this to contend with, too. How many days go you have to give the doxy? L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:00 AM Subject: diarrhea I'm very sorry, I must have deleted an email about diarrhea and doxycycline. Is there something I can give to BooBoo to help with this side effect. He's only had 4 doses of the stuff and it isn't agreeing with him. Lynne
Re: another 75 cc
Actually FIP is not contagious, and not necessarily what your kitty has. Corona virus is contagious at certain stages, but there are many types of corona virus and many if not most cats have it. As I understand it, FIP results from a genetic reaction and a mutation of the virus, which causes that particular cat to develop FIP. Any cat that's been in a situation with multiple cats, like rescue cats, probably carries corona virus. See http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AA=681 It's more likely that he's developed a complication because of the FELV virus. I've had several young FELV cats that have developed mediastinal lymphoma at 2.5-3 yrs of age, with fluid accumulating in the chest cavity. Having the fluid drawn off was a great help, a good thing to do. So that's a very likely possibility. Drawing the fluid is, of course, just a temporary, palliative, thing, but bought us some nice time.Great to know about. I've never had one survive that stage, but remember reading about the Wisconsin Protocol and was interested in that as a treatment. Involved alternating treatment with various drugs. What a great blessing for this kitty that you took him in. Gloria On Feb 24, 2008, at 3:59 PM, laurieskatz wrote: If FIP, it can be contagious. I'd ask about it. He may not have other consistent symptoms. Being a nurse is exhausting...even more so when you love the patient. - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:49 PM Subject: Re: another 75 cc Yes Laurie, Bob is a wonderful guy. He's a pretty easy going person but has shed tears over this too. I don't even know about FIP. All I know is they did a blood test first time they saw him and said he was positive for feline leukemia. I'll read up on it. The vets told us this morning that he is a very brave little guy. He doesn't even flinch at the vets. They can do anything they want to him and he doesn't fight them, just me when it comes to giving pills. We were given a demonstration of how to do it and the vet had us give him his antibiotic. Nothin to it. Apparently he is not suffering. I took him upstairs when we got home and he ran downstairs after us wanting to eat down here, then he did his stair scratching thing and went back up, like nothing happened today. I wish some of our whiney hypochondriac patients could take a lesson from him. I'm in a miserable mood today. I shouldn't have said that but I do mean it. Funny thing is the draining tprocedure is the cheapest part of the treatment. I could live with that. Unfortunately we needed the drugs today and got them there. Otherwise I can get this stuff for peanuts at the pharmacy across the hall at work. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: another 75 cc Bob sounds like a wonderful husband for an animal lover/rescuer! Lucky BooBoo to have you both...and THREE docs! I almost hate to ask this...could this be FIP? Has anyone mentioned that? My friend's cat had FIP and she had to take him about once a week to have his lungs drained. Pls keep us posted. The good news is he does not seem to be in distress or pain. That is a blessing in this otherwise difficult time. Prayers continuing. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: another 75 cc Well we're home again. BooBoo had another 75ccs taken out of his lungs today. Not only did his regular vet come in to see him, a third vet was there. BooBoo has become quite the celebrity. They're now sending a sample for culturing and cytology to see if there are any cancer cells present. Nothing is going well for us. However, when he got home he ate a big lunch and we put him to bed with the window open for fresh air and he was purring like crazy. He's now on another antibiotic and will continue on the lasix for another week. Both the vets kissed him on top of his little head before we left. This third vet was very kind, the other two are as well but this one told us lets see what we're dealing with when the cytology report comes back and we'll go from there. He didn't dismiss the interferon but said we're basically doing palliative care here and our goal is to keep him comfortable. The fluid aspiration seems to help but it will continue. All three of these vets are East Indian and lovely caring men but I hate to admit that when they are giving details of what is going on I have a bit of a problem with the accents. He said something about protein spilling and I couldn't understand the rest. Of course I am always kind of overwhelmed with sadness I don't grasp the whole picture. On an up side, Bob mentioned on the way home that he doesn't even care about
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
What a loving thing you've done! I do like interferon alpha, but find different vets sell it for different prices. I've found a less expensive source locally and generally give 1/2 cc daily to FELV cats that are less than 3 yrs old, or if they're sick like yours. I've been using veterinary (not grocery store) kaopectate for diarrhea lately and it's worked great - think it's good for coating the lining of the digestive tract. I started that because I ran out of Panacur, but it's working well. The latest formulation of Kaopectate that you get in the grocery and drugs stores contains an aspirin like substance that's harmful to cats. At Veterinarypartner.com, there's an article that says: The old form of Kaopectate contained only kaolin and pectin while later forms contained attapulgite, all of which were very safe in animals due to the lack of systemic absorption. However, Kaopectate has recently developed a new formula that contains the drug bismuth subsalicylate, a drug that can be toxic to cats. So we got some of the old formula from a vet, and it works well. Best of luck, Gloria On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El
Re: more bad news
I'm so sorry. BooBoo's lucky to have you, but you must be so very awfully sad.. Hope the Transfer Factor makes it soon. Gloria On Feb 27, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Lynne wrote: Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does. BooBoo's cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia. There was no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him. There was no bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are leaky. The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it is all about quality of life. He will continue to drain his lungs every week to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid. If he becomes worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to do the obvious. We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at the moment. The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested positive for FIP but not leukemia. He said BooBoo has been hit with a double blow and unfortunately the end is near. I don't know if the Factor stuff will make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face the inevitable. My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being healthy and vaccinated. We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked. I'm seriously considering consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over. Lynne
Re: more questions and thankyou
I support and agree with what Brenda's saying. I've had 8 or 10 FELV cats. I started out being obsessive and suspicious about it, but moved into a different place based on the experience and info I've gathered. Started to write a longer email, but changed my mind. It's so sad, the hysteria and ignorance about FELV cats (and FIV also). Gloria On Feb 29, 2008, at 12:17 AM, Dorothy Noble wrote: Belinda wrote: FeLV IS NOT AS CONTAGIOUS AS SOME VETS TRY TO SCARE YOU INTO BELIEVING.� You can believe and do with your pets as you please but please don't post information you find on the internet as the absolute truth.� Anytime I hear that a negative has turned positive from exposure I can promise you almost all the time the cat was not vaccinated or tested a false negative and was positive all along.� A healthy vaccinated adult cat has virtually 0 chance of getting infected from a positive.� And if they did they would almost certainly fight it off.� The funny thing is...
Re: more questions and thankyou
You can order ImmunoRegulin yourself - that's what I've done. Vet can of course get it. I ordered it from RevivalAnimal.com and they also sell it thru Amazon.com Gloria On Feb 29, 2008, at 1:15 PM, whocares whocares wrote: Oh boy, I'm sorry I opened Pandora's box here. Thank you Karen. I will call you this evening and thank you for the distributor number. Is Immune Regulin readily available to vets everywhere? These guys blood panels are awful. Some of these little guys have come back FeLV-. I've had them vaxed for FeLV. I know they need retesting but it gives me a bit of hope. The vet says he's found that the vax isn't very good and that it works about 40% of the time. Another vet said it works up to 70% so who knows. It's the best I can do. I'm very worried about two of these little ones that are really sick - the one who had the severely infected mouth still is coughing and sneezing and some diahrea although the Neorase and probiotics help somewhat. The other little guy is about 2 and also has a heart murmur. He has spurts of energy but mostly rests. His URI is so stubborn, and he's still pussy despite all efforts so far. My own little guys are starting to feel the strain and my HCM guy is having some problems as are a few others, and I'm getting weary. Lynne, my heart goes out to you. I'm sorry BooBoo is so very ill. I also would highly recommend the FIP group and the Australian FIP group. They are very knowledgeable. The first website I checked out was the Cornell one. Does anyone know of any informative websites? One thing that doesn't make sense to me is to bleach everything and then ONLY vacuum carpets. Carpets are known to harbor pathogens. Anyway, it seems conflicting but like I said I don't know anything about this. Thanks
Re: Anika Please add to the CLS
I'm so sorry, Sherry, that your beautiful girl is gone. She sounds like a really sweet and lovely kitty. Gloria On Mar 1, 2008, at 5:32 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: I will try to type this through tears.We lost beautiful feisty Anika yesterday to this terrible disease.She was a fluffy gray girl.Thursday night my boyfriend and I were at Sids and we read that she wasnt feeling good in the log book,so me and one of the other volunteers were trying to get her to come out from under a cabinet and she used to always come to me.Well I started to do my duties around there.A while later I glanced back into the room where she was and there on the couch was Anika all curled up in my boyfriends arms.I asked him if he picked her up and he said no she just ran over here and cuddled up with him.They both took a hour nap together.I had really bad feelings that night that she would be leaving us soon.So before I even opened the e-mail about her I cried,cause I knew what I was going to read. I will miss that beautiful beautiful girl. :( Sorry for rambling on,just wanted to share my last thoughts of her.She looked so sweet cuddled up with my guy. Very saddened, Sherry Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
Re: Lance, How is Ember doing?
Lance, how did you feed the pumpkin? Syringe, or mixing it with other food, or what? Thanks! Gloria On Mar 2, 2008, at 5:24 PM, Lance wrote: Hi Wendy, Thanks for asking about Ember. She's doing really well. She was going nuts earlier, running around batting one of her mice. She got it into the bathtub somehow, and was after in there, too. She's very vocal when she's doing all this. She sounds like a little wild cat. Regarding Ember's troubles from a few months ago, the diarrhea is long gone. I now feed her two 3 oz cans of Wellness a day, as well as some Kitty Kaviar. She's lost a little weight, but nothing like last year. I'm pretty sure that the loud breathing/panting was a reaction to the high dose of Flagyl, which I stopped. I haven't heard it happen since that particular episode. I got her onto pumpkin for a week or so after that, and that seemed to help take care of the diarrhea. I've been meaning to write the list to see what the blandest, organic/natural dry food with a single source of protein might be. I tried a little Wellness CORE on her, and it went right through. Lance On Mar 2, 2008, at 1:08 PM, wendy wrote: Hey Lance, I'm trying to catch up on the posts this weekend (while we replace siding on our house that our dogs chewed completely through!!!). I read about Ember's stool issues last month and breathing issues. Is she doing ok? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: BooBoo left us
I'm so sorry, Lynne - may he have gentle guidance over the bridge from all our other babies who had gone that route. My baby Mr. Black Kitty would be very glad to assist him. Sleep soft sweet BooBoo. GLoria On Mar 2, 2008, at 9:04 PM, Lynne wrote: We lost our precious baby tonight. He developed difficulty breathing and we rushed him to the emergency clinic. He was dehydrated and had just had his lungs aspirated Friday. The vet recently experienced the same situation with his Himilayan, co- incidentally, though I sometimes think they make stuff up to identify with your pain. I held his little face in my hand and petted him as did Bob and he slipped away almost immediately. I don't think I've cried this much in my life, Bob too. At this moment I can't imagine ever being happy again. Sounds stupid but BooBoo conveyed to me this evening it was time to go and he thanked us. He was so very weak he could hardly walk but he was still purring as we pet him even with the damn catheter in. We know this was best for him but the worst for us. Thank you all for being so very supportive. Lynne
Re: Eye Problems
I've never had any FELV related eye problems. Have had 8 or 10 FELV cats. Have only seen them get anemia and lymphoma that I recall. Gloria On Mar 4, 2008, at 2:07 PM, Susan Ang wrote: I had to take Autumn to the vet today. Yesterday I noticed that she would sit with her right eye squinched shut. I tried to wash it and she got mad and bit. I tried to give her overnight to resolve it, but this morning she barely opened it. She kept sitting with her eyes closed or in a loaf position. She wasn't playing or moving much. I noticed her pupil wasn't dilating like the left eye. I made the decision to get her in to the vet ASAP this morning. They didn't see any lesions, but her eye pressure was 28. For comparison her good eye was 14. They gave us a topical anti-inflammatory. Her vet said that the inflammation is behind the eye and they don't know what is causing it - possibly she could have given herself a black eye somehow. The other option is that this is FELV related. Anyone had something similar? Her eye is now open because of the meds. She actually played a bit. I worry about my little bug. ~Susan A
Re: Unresponsive URI
I 've been using a mixture of water or aloe vera, powdered Lysine, Vitamin C (the stuff for cats), and colostrum. I have a bottle with lysine and Vit C powder in it. I use about 500 mg lysine, probably 200 or so of Vit C (for me 1/4 tsp of the powder mix), and a capsule (opened) of colostrum. Mix it with water or Georges Aloe Vera, suck all or part into an oral syringe, and give it gently to the cat. For my cat, with both an eye problem and stomatitis, it's worked well, fingers crossed... Gloria On Mar 5, 2008, at 2:04 PM, designercats wrote: Hi, Little Milli is getting better. She still has diahrea to some degree but it's getting better. Her URI is getting much better although she still coughs and sneezes a bit. One of the other FeLV+ Cami has a very very stubborn URI. Initially on injectable antibiotics he got better really quick and then has been sliding downhill ever since. We've tried several antibiotics and he still is very sick. His mucus is green (sorry to be so graphic). Any ideas about what other antibiotics we can try? He's been on Zithromycin, Chlorapalm, Baytril PLX injectable combo. He responds for a bit but then it gets bad again. He is a beautiful sweet, sweet orange and white cat with the most luxurious coat I've ever seen. He is an absolute sweetheart. He's approx 2 yrs old. I have been syringe feeding him Recovery food mixed with multi vitamin, B complex, Omega oils, L-Lysine, Collostrum. I'm still waiting for the Transfer Factor and the Interferon alpha. Thanks...El
Re: Unresponsive URI
Forgot to mention, I do this twice a day. I've always read and heard that the standard dosage of Lysine for an adult cat is 250-500 mg twice a day. I usually start off with 500 and reduce at some point to 250 before stopping it completely. It's an amino acid which counters the effect of the amino acid, Arginine, which is needed by the Herpes virus to replicate and be active. If it's Herpes causing the problem, I usually see a result pretty quickly - within a couple of days things start getting better. GLoria On Mar 5, 2008, at 3:38 PM, Gloria Lane wrote: I 've been using a mixture of water or aloe vera, powdered Lysine, Vitamin C (the stuff for cats), and colostrum. I have a bottle with lysine and Vit C powder in it. I use about 500 mg lysine, probably 200 or so of Vit C (for me 1/4 tsp of the powder mix), and a capsule (opened) of colostrum. Mix it with water or Georges Aloe Vera, suck all or part into an oral syringe, and give it gently to the cat. For my cat, with both an eye problem and stomatitis, it's worked well, fingers crossed... Gloria On Mar 5, 2008, at 2:04 PM, designercats wrote: Hi, Little Milli is getting better. She still has diahrea to some degree but it's getting better. Her URI is getting much better although she still coughs and sneezes a bit. One of the other FeLV+ Cami has a very very stubborn URI. Initially on injectable antibiotics he got better really quick and then has been sliding downhill ever since. We've tried several antibiotics and he still is very sick. His mucus is green (sorry to be so graphic). Any ideas about what other antibiotics we can try? He's been on Zithromycin, Chlorapalm, Baytril PLX injectable combo. He responds for a bit but then it gets bad again. He is a beautiful sweet, sweet orange and white cat with the most luxurious coat I've ever seen. He is an absolute sweetheart. He's approx 2 yrs old. I have been syringe feeding him Recovery food mixed with multi vitamin, B complex, Omega oils, L-Lysine, Collostrum. I'm still waiting for the Transfer Factor and the Interferon alpha. Thanks...El
Re: Unresponsive URI
If his nose is really dripping, you could ask the vet about dosing with an antihistamine (like chlor trimeton) possibly. Gloria On Mar 6, 2008, at 1:19 PM, designercats wrote: Hi Wendy, I have him on A/D and Recovery. Recovery is newer and is sometimes more palatable when they don't like A/D. His URI has never left. He's been on antibiotics for a month and he gets a little better and then worse. We're going to the vet in a few minutes. The other little ones have all improved radically but not him. His blood panel was better than the others but he's so much sicker than the rest. The vet has some interferon alpha. If he doesn't improve I'm afraid I'll lose him. El
Re: OT - CLS addition....... my Bandit
I'm so sorry to hear that, Barb - glad he had a quiet gentle passing with his loved ones around. Gloria On Mar 7, 2008, at 2:08 PM, Barb Moermond wrote: Bandit and his brother Smoky were the 2 kits I adopted after my FeLV + kitty Ninja went to the Bridge. Bandit went to the Bridge on Wednesday March 5th, with his Momma and brother sitting with him. He was only 9.5 yrs old... but he's not hurting anymore and I'm sure he and Ninja and Bart will get together and scheme to find someone to send to me. Belinda, Bandit was FeLV- Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous
Re: Herpes virus
I just assume if cats have been in a shelter or rescue, that they've been exposed to Herpes, and of course have had quite a few. I use Lysine orally - I start out with 500 mg(powder mixed with small amt of water) via syringe twice a day. And of course clean the eyes. If they have Herpes, it starts showing improvement within a few days, in my experience. At some point I cut back to 250 MG twice daily, and eventually stop. Lysine is what's used on humans who have Herpes mouth sores (but think that's a different strain of Herpes). I know some folks in the past, on this list, have used interferon alpha. Some have put it directly in the eyes, although I've never used it that way. My understanding is that once the stress is reduced and they start getting healthy, they seem to do fine. It's not nearly what FELV is. I'd certainly encourage you to go for it. Gloria On Mar 8, 2008, at 2:53 PM, Lynne wrote: Could any of you give me some first hand info and experience with the herpes virus in cats. There is this young cat I saw a picture of who is in a rescue shelter at the moment . The poor little thing was a total wreck when this woman took her in and she is now in the process of getting her eyes cleaned up. They look a whole lot better than they did before this woman got hold of her. Apparently the vet who is taking care of the cat said her eyes would have to be cleaned at least twice a day and when and if she has flareups the appropriate treatment will have to be given. She is being spayed very shortly and is going to be up for adoption fairly soon. I said I would take her probably because she reminded me a lot of BooBoo. She's all white and from the picture looks like she may have persian in her. She has that same flat little face that Boo did. Would I be getting myself into something like I just went through with Boo or is there more hope for these animals. This kitty has tested negative for feline leukemia. I haven't even told my husband yet. I just blurted out that I would take her. I don't even know if I'll be chosen anyway. Lynne
Re: Herpes virus--ferals
Think I buy a big bottle for about $8. Gloria On Mar 9, 2008, at 11:31 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Isn't lysine odorless and tasteless? I've got to admit to never having tasted it. On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sort of on this subject...there is a feral who eats/hangs out at my mother's. I suspect it has herpes. There is no real way for me to be sure. This cat, and most of the others who hang out there cannot be touched. Does anyone have any ideas about what can be added to food that might help? There is no other way to get meds/ suppements into them and they are very suspicious of anything added to the food...even smelly fishy food. Lynne, follow your heart. Booboo strengthen and enlarged it. You must decide what to do with it. On Mar 8, 2008, at 3:59 PM, laurieskatz wrote: Lynne, there is a great herpes yahoo group that I belong to. You might look into it. My vet thinks 2 of my cats may have this virus. Stress causes it to flare. It can cause eye (and mouth?) problems. I give L-lysine twice a day during a flare up. I have never had to do more than that with mine whose symtoms are minor. Winston occasionally (about once a year) gets an unexplained high fever and quits eating. My vet thinks it's related to the herpes. He recovers with anti-biotics. I don't think herpes is a big deal in most cats. I do think it can be spread, though if my 2 have it the other 5 didn't get it. Also, my vet didn't warn me about contagion when he told me he thought Lucy may have herpes (cat number 5) or when he told me he thought Winston had it (cat number 7). Mine have not been tested for it so can't say for certain that they have this. Lucy's eyes run with clear tears when she is stressed and Winston winks his eyes and they get red rimmed when he is stressed. You might ask the shelter/vet what they will do to reduce her stress during and after her spay. Getting her out of the shelter is a GREAT way to reduce her stress! Congrats if you adopt her! Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: Herpes virus Could any of you give me some first hand info and experience with the herpes virus in cats. There is this young cat I saw a picture of who is in a rescue shelter at the moment . The poor little thing was a total wreck when this woman took her in and she is now in the process of getting her eyes cleaned up. They look a whole lot better than they did before this woman got hold of her. Apparently the vet who is taking care of the cat said her eyes would have to be cleaned at least twice a day and when and if she has flareups the appropriate treatment will have to be given. She is being spayed very shortly and is going to be up for adoption fairly soon. I said I would take her probably because she reminded me a lot of BooBoo. She's all white and from the picture looks like she may have persian in her. She has that same flat little face that Boo did. Would I be getting myself into something like I just went through with Boo or is there more hope for these animals. This kitty has tested negative for feline leukemia. I haven't even told my husband yet. I just blurted out that I would take her. I don't even know if I'll be chosen anyway. Lynne -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties
Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area
They'll probably stop harassing rescuers, about the time when the cities do some other things - like stop outlawing pit bulls instead of punishing the bad folks who fight and misuse these dogs... sigh. On Mar 11, 2008, at 2:23 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: ... When will AC leave rescuers alone Kelley
Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area
I could cross post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - list owner is in southern California, as I recall, great guy. Think that's ok? Gloria On Mar 16, 2008, at 12:13 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: Please cross-post selectively (anyone a member of the Homeless Cat Network?): Talked to Sally and here's the situation: She has not been cited, nothing in writing, yet. She is very worried about two FeLV+ kittens and two FIV+ cats. IF they are seized they would likely be put down immediately. What she needs most right now is some place to put these cats for 4 to 6 weeks to see if the situation will blow over. (She could use adoption assistance or additional foster space to move out some other cats too but the positives are her biggest concern.) Four years ago she had a run-in with animal control but it did just go away. Theyb gave her 60 days to get her numbers down and just never came back. So it may go away again. She does not want to antagonize them by having an attorney make inquiries on her behalf and I tend to agree. She also needs someone computer-savvy in the San Jose area. We are setting her up with a functioning computer and can at least set up a dial up connection for her before she takes the computer home. But she's paying for ATT DSL at home and needs someone in the San Jose area who can get that working for her. On 3/12/08, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there ARE good a/c officers out there--and when we find them, it is VITAL that we let them know how much they are appreciated. i even know of a couple in texas. too often, however, they are NOT like what people see on animal planet, unless the management is committed to power-within, and not power-over, which is not the most usual attitude in law enforcement. send thank-you notes to the good acos you encounter, please MC On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll try her again this evening too. Several animal control agencies in the Bay Area actually notify their local feral groups when an ear tipped cat comes in. Cats are actually pulled from animal control and returned to their colonies around here. By comparison with what I hear about elsewhere, it's really impressive. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hopefully she will call you back. I'm glad there is good AC somewhere. On 3/12/08, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried calling last night but got voicemail. Lefft my name and number but have not heard back from her. I have always had a negative impression of ac too but I have seen really good rescue/ac working relationships in the SF/Bay Area and my local ac really impressed me with their light touch during my house fire in August and in the current dealings with a really ugly hoarder situation. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Susan and Kelley for your replies and concern. I'm sure Sally will appreciate any help or advice you can give her. I have an unreasonable fear of animal control, I think of them like I would the gestapo. Sally doesn't seem to be panicking the way I might, but she is quickly taking steps to address any concerns they may have and to locate additional fosters for the cats in her possession. Say a prayer everybody, Nina SHE HAS TO MOVE THE CATS. I don't care if she has to board them, or whatever, but if AC has been there, they ARE COMING BACK. For that matter if I absolutely had to I would let them outside to keep AC from getting their evil hands on them, but that would be a last resort... Please, for the safety of the cats, she has to move them. Of course I am not in that areabut if she needs a shoulder to cry on I can call her tonight. When will AC leave rescuers alone Kelley Subject: Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area From: Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:24:10 -0700 (PDT) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org California and Texas are really different. We have very specific laws on the books governing seizures, very rescue friendly state laws. Sally is in the San Jose area, about an hour south of me. I'll call her and get some details. I know California rescue law pretty well. Let me find out what's going on here. She is likely to have a grace period to improve conditions and network with other rescues to make arrangements for the animals. But let me find out what's really going on. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors
add to the candlelight service - Sassy and Valentino
I have two former wonderful foster cats that I've recently learned have died. Sassy - One died about a week ago, Sassy - she was a beautiful golden Persian, about 10 years old, delightful cat. Long story short - apparently Sassy got sick, and her owner also was ill and became wheelchair bound, and nobody noticed that Sassy was sick. Valentino - The other was also an awesome cat - Valentino - a medium long hair black and white, a young boy, wonderful personality. His people accommodated his desire to go out- they let him out and of course he got run over. This happened a while back - 2006 probably - but the family had moved and I just started wondering, located them and found out. It's so sad to lose cats like this, so unnecessarily. Gloria
Re: add to the candlelight service - Sassy and Valentino
Thanks, Diane, you got that right. Dealing with the hoomins is difficult. GLoria On Mar 22, 2008, at 10:05 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: What a shame, Gloria. Gentle rest to both of them, and may they in their next life find hoomins who are more mindful of them. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 9:37 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: add to the candlelight service - Sassy and Valentino I have two former wonderful foster cats that I've recently learned have died. Sassy - One died about a week ago, Sassy - she was a beautiful golden Persian, about 10 years old, delightful cat. Long story short - apparently Sassy got sick, and her owner also was ill and became wheelchair bound, and nobody noticed that Sassy was sick. Valentino - The other was also an awesome cat - Valentino - a medium long hair black and white, a young boy, wonderful personality. His people accommodated his desire to go out- they let him out and of course he got run over. This happened a while back - 2006 probably - but the family had moved and I just started wondering, located them and found out. It's so sad to lose cats like this, so unnecessarily. Gloria
Re: add to the candlelight service - Sassy and Valentino
Thanks, MC, Right Sassy was one of my first (if not the first) Persians. She was gorgeous, a golden girl. If the owner had been more watchful but she's in her 80's, her husband died, she has round- the-clock employees, its not a usual situation... if I had only checked up on her...and so on. I have to learn to follow my hunches, cause both of those kitties had popped into my mind, but I hadn't called. Sigh. Gloria On Mar 22, 2008, at 10:12 AM, MaryChristine wrote: oh, gloria, i'm so sorry.. i think i remember sassy, wasn't she one of the ones who introduced you to persianhood? sad that they don't tell us clearly enough that they're sick, so that we can notice above all else. as for valentino, that's the harder one for me. totally preventable. but we have to believe, somehow, that there's a point to even things like this--tho darned if i can figure it out. GLOW to heal your heart, as i know that it doesn't matter how short a time a foster is with us, they remain in our families forever. MC On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have two former wonderful foster cats that I've recently learned have died. Sassy - One died about a week ago, Sassy - she was a beautiful golden Persian, about 10 years old, delightful cat. Long story short - apparently Sassy got sick, and her owner also was ill and became wheelchair bound, and nobody noticed that Sassy was sick. Valentino - The other was also an awesome cat - Valentino - a medium long hair black and white, a young boy, wonderful personality. His people accommodated his desire to go out- they let him out and of course he got run over. This happened a while back - 2006 probably - but the family had moved and I just started wondering, located them and found out. It's so sad to lose cats like this, so unnecessarily. Gloria -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Snowball
THose Persians are such sweeties. She's gorgeous, congrats! Gloria On Mar 23, 2008, at 8:36 PM, Lynne wrote: I can't believe how this little one has adapted. She spent most of yesterday upstairs, coming down occasionally to see what was going on. Tonight she came down, started racing from one end of the house to the other, up and across the furniture, grabbed some ribbon I was working with and unrolled it and now is out in the patio with Bob and Lennie getting some fresh air before bedtime. She is so frisky and when you call her, she comes, just like a dog. Strange little girl. It's been a long time since we've had a cat that is this playful and the only thing we could find toy wise were some of those practice plastic golf balls. Well she loved them, chased them all over the place. Guess I'll have to make a trip to the pet store and get her a furry mouse toy to play with. Lynne - Original Message - From: Pat Kachur To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Snowball Lynne - thank you for sending her picture. She is a beauty. My Persian had to have her face washed regularly, too--you're right, Persian eyes. I am so very glad you all have found each other. Pat - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:54 PM Subject: Snowball Here is Snowball. As you can see she requires high maintenance. We need to wash her face and eyes at least twice a day. Nothing wrong with them, just persian eyes. Lynne Your files are attached and ready to send with this message.
Re: Very, very important: Cornell website and input requested from our members
Wendy, that's GREAT! Thanks for doing that. Gloria On Mar 24, 2008, at 4:54 PM, wendy wrote: Hey guys, I called Cornell and spoke with a gentleman regarding our collective thoughts on their FeLV information (some being incorrect and out-of- date). I also forwarded some of our posts to them so they would know specifically what I was referring to. They have contacted me back (see below) and asked for our input, specifically on the incorrect information we feel is posted on their website, and also regarding the inactivation of the FeLV virus due to drying. Email me or post here anything you'd like me to forward on to this gentleman, who is a professor of virology there. He requests that information be backed up with references/studies, so add any studies or links that you can. This is a great opportunity for us, and for our FeLV+ furbabies, present and future! Thanks! Wendy P.S. I will post his .pdf document in another post since we can't have attachments here. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Forwarded Message From: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 2:30:23 PM Subject: FeLV Inactivation Good afternoon Wendy, Thank you for providing Don Personius and the Feline Health Center (FHC) with the various views and statements about FeLV and the FHC website posted on [EMAIL PROTECTED] We really appreciate feed back, positive or negative. For the past several days, whenever I have had a few minutes, I have tried to address these concerns. First, let me address the FHC website. I totally agree that the website is not as current and up-to-date as it should be. We have already made a major commitment to totally redo the website, to make it dynamic, current, and a reliable source of information about cat health and care. This will take us a bit of time, but I hope by later this year we will have a better website to offer cat owners and veterinarians. The mere fact that some information on the website has not been updated recently does not mean it is out of date. I reviewed the posted information FeLV and failed to identify anything that is out of date. Some fairly strong statements were made on felvtalk that our information was incorrect and out of date. I would appreciate receiving details of what is not correct, with information about the reference sources. We must rely on controlled studies, not just opinion. Incidentally, I will be lecturing on FeLV to the 3rd and 4th year veterinary students at Cornell next Monday, so if there is something I should know about FeLV, please send it to me via email. Secondly, the question of inactivation of FeLV by drying needs to be addressed. Despite searching the literature several times over the past few days, I have not been able to come up with a valid, controlled study that addresses the survivability or inactivation of FeLV dried onto a surface. If your readers know of such a source, please let me know. I have put together a brief review about FeLV in the Environment in an attempt to address this issue. I have attached a pdf file of this review. Please feel free to distribute this or post it on felvtalk. Sincerely, Fred W. Scott, DVM, PhD Interim Director, Cornell Feline Health Center (Founding Director, 1974-1996) Professor Emeritus (Virology) College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853 Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: Zeus Please add to the CLS :(
Am so sorry tro hear this, Sherry - Gloria On Mar 26, 2008, at 8:23 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: Well this was a bit of a shock for us. Zeus has been battling a URI and we have had to keep his nose clean all the time.He was one big boy with quite the cattitude.He would stalk me when I handed out individual feedings at Sids.He loved baby food!! I used to argue with him but then recently began a little bit of a friendship with him.He has been so sweet the last couple of weeks.He has been there longer than I have been volunteering,he will be missed by us all.I guess the infection moved into his brain.Bye sweet Zeus Sherry Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: New FIV/FeLV Treatment
Cool, Terrie - very interesting! Gloria On Mar 29, 2008, at 11:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.imulan.com/ Anyone familiar or know about this? TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home.
Re: re Foxy/ bad news
Thanks, Belinda, appreciate knowing that - I've had FELV cats died with anemia, although usually mediastinal lymphoma - and I'll remember about the epogen if I need to next time. Gloria On Apr 1, 2008, at 7:28 AM, Belinda Sauro wrote: This may be too late already but what does your vet say is causing the anemia If he said it is the FeLV causing it RUN to another vet Is she getting doxycycline in case she has hemobartonella, something positives are prone to get and VERY hard to test for??? Bailey was anemic at one point and it was because the virus had activate in his bone marrow and was preventing the making of new red blood cells, he got high doses of prednisolone and epogen and his anemia was reversed. Send her numbers to the list. How low is low?? -- Belinda
Re: re Foxy/ bad news
I'm so sorry that you and Foxy are having to go thru this difficult time. Wondering if the vet said anything else about her condition, or did an xray or anything? The steroid, and fluids apparently helped her feel much better, maybe the abx in case there was infection. Maybe since she's eating it will help her red count. I usually try to do some liquid vitamins, too, like Pet Tinic or something. Sending lots of good vibes, Gloria On Apr 1, 2008, at 6:54 PM, Kathy Dillard wrote: First of all- thank-you for your response. When Foxy went to the vet yesterday they gave her steroid shot, and antibiotic (shot) and fluid under the skin (shot) as she was dehydrated. They did a blood test and said her white count was almost nonwxisent and her red count was at 10- even too low for a transfusion. So we took her home and cried- and prepared ourselves for the worst. Today Foxy is doing better ( which is probably due to the shots) but she is eating and grooming herself and she doesnt have a fever. My husband and I dont understand and feel confused because Foxy is not breathing heavy which you would think would be happening because of lack of red blood cells and and lack of oxygen. Foxy has been very healthy up to this point so I think she has a strong constitution to draw from-but wonder if her blood count is so low now that it is too late. We did call the vet back today to let them know that she was actually looking better and if there was anything else we could do and they had us pick up a prescription of prednisone. i have raised alot of cats but have never had one with feline leukemia and feel very overwhelmed but want to do everything possible for Foxy and to make sure she is comfortable and not suffering. I hope this information helps clarify her condition and if you have anymore information or thoughts I would greatly appreciate it. I will definitley call the vet tomorrow with more questions and information. Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This may be too late already but what does your vet say is causing the anemia If he said it is the FeLV causing it RUN to another vet Is she getting doxycycline in case she has hemobartonella, something positives are prone to get and VERY hard to test for??? Bailey was anemic at one point and it was because the virus had activate in his bone marrow and was preventing the making of new red blood cells, he got high doses of prednisolone and epogen and his anemia was reversed. Send her numbers to the list. How low is low?? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com kathy You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.
Re: I really need some advice
What a difficult situation, my heart goes out to you. When I got my Calawalla, she was 6 months old, a pretty little calico girl kitten, just off the street. I couldnt' believe she would ever die, but she did at about 3 yrs old. I kind of feel like if they make it past 3, they're gonna be ok, but just my experience. I did keep Calawalla isolated from the others, meticulously, for about 6 months. Then I did decide to mix Calawalla with my other non-FELV cats, and it worked out fine for me. They had been vaccinated, but I think a healthy adult immune system does a lot whether they're vacc'd or not. I added another FELV cat to the mix, and they were all great buddies. I really don't think it's as contagious as we hear. I have a friend who also acquired a kitty that tested positive - she uses interferon alpha daily, and mixes with another non-FELV cat, and works for her. She's made it past the 3 year mark, and everyone's doing fine. Not saying that you should necessarily do this,something to consider - and others here don't do that, but several of us do and find it works. If you choose to find another home for your sweet kitty, I'm sure in that Michigan area where you live, or NJ/PA, that you can find someone to take and love Binxy. Best of luck and hope this gives you help in some way. Gloria On Apr 1, 2008, at 11:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently adopted a 4 yr old cat from an ad on the local Detroit Metro Craigslist. I also have Velvet whom I adopted from the SPCA 16 yrs ago who obviously has been tested then and free from both FELV and FIV. I had been keeping the new cat, Binxy, totally separate in the bathroom until she settled down a little and stopped cowering behind the pipes under the cabinet enough for me to take her to the Vet. Of course I knew in the back of my mind that she could have either disease since the people who gave her to me had obviously done little to care for her-- not spayed, nails unclipped, no brushing, ear mites, no vet visits in four years, etc. But, I have a soft spot for callies and I figured that an older cat had a far lesser chance of being adopted since most people want kittens. She is really cute. Anyhow, she tested positive for FELV today---the Vet himself did the test so there is little chance that it was not done properly. This leaves me in quite a dilemma. For Velvet's sake, keeping Binxy just isn't a realistic option and she can't stay in the bathroom much longer. I am living in a shared housing situation and although my landlord does allow animals, he let me know that the house needs the downstairs bathroom back. Plus what kind of life is that for a cat who is very loving and social? Now that she is over her initial fear and shock over being unceremoniously dumped in a strange place, her cuddly, loving personality is emerging. Were she a more offish or mean type, the thought of having her peacefully put to sleep probably wouldn't be as difficult. Aside from the ear mites (and most likely worms) she seems to be healthy and I'm sure could have a good quality of life in a home as an only cat or with another pos. cat---but how to find such a situation? I am at a total loss and don't know where to turn. I have already called several rescue groups in this area and been faced with the obvious---with the highly contagious nature of this disease, they just don't have the resources or facilities to deal with this and put all the other neg cats at risk. If I take her to the Humane Society, I'm pretty certain she would be immediately put down if they would even allow her into the building at all. I have never been faced with a situation like this as all of the cats which I have had throughout my life were from a Shelter, or rescue group and tested before they even came through my door. Do any of you have any suggestions or know of anybody or any group in this area which specializes in placing pos. cats? I really don't want to see such a sweet cat be euthanized, but I just don't have a clue what to do now and I must do something soon. I found this list as I was doing a google search for fel-pos rescue groups. Any other groups I have encountered are either way out of my area or only take animals from other shelter or from off the street---not from the general public. If there are no resources in my current area in Pontiac-Detroit- Metro in Michigan, if you know of any near Philadelphia, Pa or nearby New Jersey, I am scheduled to go back there to visit friends soon and could take her along. I am so hoping that some of you may know of some resources. Thanks in advance for any advice you could give me. I really appreciate it. Buttons -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web
Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket
That's wonderful that you're doing this. Would be nice if you could find a low-cost spay neuter clinic, or a free service, to help fund the neutering. RE your question about telling the vet, I don't know. If 2 are positive, still doesn't mean all the others are, although of course there's a chance. Any vet should be aware that if the kitty hasn't been tested, there's a potential for FELV or FIV. Neutering is the key to preventing the spread of this, as I understand. Least my take on it. Hope you find a good option for low cost or free neutering. Gloria On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Sharyl wrote: I had been feeding a group of dumpster 8 kittens and ended up rescuing 2, Sissy and Rocket, when they were about 12 weeks old. On their 1st vet visit both tested FeLV+. I will have both retested the end of April to see if they are still positive. I have them quarantined in my garage. They are eating Iams canned kitten food supplemented with a Super B Complex, Lactoferrin and DMG. So far they are responding well and seem very healthy. Both have had their kitten shots and been wormed. If they stay positive I will either find a forever home for them or build an enclosure onto the garage for them. I have 2 indoor kitties and one has CRF so am concerned about bringing them into the house. My questions concern the rest of the colony which includes at least 4 adults. I can not take all of them in. My plan had been to TNR the colony (trap/neuter/release). The vet is recommending euthanizing the entire colony if these 2 stay positive. I am not sure where I will be able to get then neutered if they are positive. And I can not trap them just to have them euthanized. That may be the best thing to do but I just can't do it. Is there any info on how to deal with a FeLV+ feral colony? Any advise on how to get them neutered? Am I obligated to tell the vet about the potential for FeLV when having them neutered? Sharyl Sissy and Rocket ES of VA You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.
Re: Another Important Question
I think it just means she carries the virus (not disease) but doesn't get sick. Gloria On Apr 2, 2008, at 6:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the ladies in Iowa to whom I spoke mentioned the possibility that Binxy may only be a carrier of the disease since she is four yrs. old and healthy. So, is there any way (other than the passage of time) to definitively determine whether she is just a carrier? And, am I correct in the assumption that being a carrier only would give her the same life expectancy as any other cat who does not carry this virus? Or can a cat convert from being just a carrier to being actively infected for whatever reason?---just trying to get my facts straight. Thanks. Caroline -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free
Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket
And also have to add - that's terrible that local SPCA doesn't believe in TNR. Wonder if Alley Cat Allies has any suggestions? Gloria On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:02 PM, Sharyl wrote: Thanks Gloria. So far it looks like the best I'm going to be able to do on the neutering is $100. There is a chance the Tidewater SPCA Neuter Scooter will come over to the Eastern Shore and I could save $25. I can afford to care for the 2 I have rescued. I'll have to work on colony one cat at a time as my budget allows. I am trying to recruit local sponsors to help with the cost. Local SPCA doesn't believe in TNR for ferals. I just don't want to have to tell the vet anything when I bring in a colony kitty. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's wonderful that you're doing this. Would be nice if you could find a low-cost spay neuter clinic, or a free service, to help fund the neutering. RE your question about telling the vet, I don't know. If 2 are positive, still doesn't mean all the others are, although of course there's a chance. Any vet should be aware that if the kitty hasn't been tested, there's a potential for FELV or FIV. Neutering is the key to preventing the spread of this, as I understand. Least my take on it. Hope you find a good option for low cost or free neutering. Gloria On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Sharyl wrote: I had been feeding a group of dumpster 8 kittens and ended up rescuing 2, Sissy and Rocket, when they were about 12 weeks old. On their 1st vet visit both tested FeLV+. I will have both retested the end of April to see if they are still positive. I have them quarantined in my garage. They are eating Iams canned kitten food supplemented with a Super B Complex, Lactoferrin and DMG. So far they are responding well and seem very healthy. Both have had their kitten shots and been wormed. If they stay positive I will either find a forever home for them or build an enclosure onto the garage for them. I have 2 indoor kitties and one has CRF so am concerned about bringing them into the house. My questions concern the rest of the colony which includes at least 4 adults. I can not take all of them in. My plan had been to TNR the colony (trap/neuter/release). The vet is recommending euthanizing the entire colony if these 2 stay positive. I am not sure where I will be able to get then neutered if they are positive. And I can not trap them just to have them euthanized. That may be the best thing to do but I just can't do it. Is there any info on how to deal with a FeLV+ feral colony? Any advise on how to get them neutered? Am I obligated to tell the vet about the potential for FeLV when having them neutered? Sharyl Sissy and Rocket ES of VA You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.
Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket
Oops - not reading my email in sequence, sorry. Well, hope you find something a lot less than $100 per. gloria On Apr 3, 2008, at 4:07 AM, Pat Kachur wrote: Does Spay USA have a branch in your state? In Georgia (Spay Georgia), one can purchase certificates which allow a huge discount at participating vets. They send a list of those vets when they send your certificates. - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket Thanks Gloria. So far it looks like the best I'm going to be able to do on the neutering is $100. There is a chance the Tidewater SPCA Neuter Scooter will come over to the Eastern Shore and I could save $25. I can afford to care for the 2 I have rescued. I'll have to work on colony one cat at a time as my budget allows. I am trying to recruit local sponsors to help with the cost. Local SPCA doesn't believe in TNR for ferals. I just don't want to have to tell the vet anything when I bring in a colony kitty. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's wonderful that you're doing this. Would be nice if you could find a low-cost spay neuter clinic, or a free service, to help fund the neutering. RE your question about telling the vet, I don't know. If 2 are positive, still doesn't mean all the others are, although of course there's a chance. Any vet should be aware that if the kitty hasn't been tested, there's a potential for FELV or FIV. Neutering is the key to preventing the spread of this, as I understand. Least my take on it. Hope you find a good option for low cost or free neutering. Gloria On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Sharyl wrote: I had been feeding a group of dumpster 8 kittens and ended up rescuing 2, Sissy and Rocket, when they were about 12 weeks old. On their 1st vet visit both tested FeLV+. I will have both retested the end of April to see if they are still positive. I have them quarantined in my garage. They are eating Iams canned kitten food supplemented with a Super B Complex, Lactoferrin and DMG. So far they are responding well and seem very healthy. Both have had their kitten shots and been wormed. If they stay positive I will either find a forever home for them or build an enclosure onto the garage for them. I have 2 indoor kitties and one has CRF so am concerned about bringing them into the house. My questions concern the rest of the colony which includes at least 4 adults. I can not take all of them in. My plan had been to TNR the colony (trap/neuter/release). The vet is recommending euthanizing the entire colony if these 2 stay positive. I am not sure where I will be able to get then neutered if they are positive. And I can not trap them just to have them euthanized. That may be the best thing to do but I just can't do it. Is there any info on how to deal with a FeLV+ feral colony? Any advise on how to get them neutered? Am I obligated to tell the vet about the potential for FeLV when having them neutered? Sharyl Sissy and Rocket ES of VA You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.
Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket
I looked out there, and in the section on Vet and Neuter, they have absolutely nothing but veterinarians listed in my area - and we (Arkansas) have a bunch of options for low cost spay/neuter options. THey don't have our cat rescue listed, so I submitted it. I think I'd contact some local rescues to find out about s/n in Virginia - gotta be there somewhere Gloria On Apr 3, 2008, at 8:01 AM, Stray Cat Alliance wrote: You could also check out Pets 911 - lists rescues and their services, including spay/neuter, TNR, etc. http://www.pets911.com/index.php Or phone toll free 1-888-PETS-911 Best wishes, Anita From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 07:51:54 -0500 Oops - not reading my email in sequence, sorry. Well, hope you find something a lot less than $100 per. gloria On Apr 3, 2008, at 4:07 AM, Pat Kachur wrote: Does Spay USA have a branch in your state? In Georgia (Spay Georgia), one can purchase certificates which allow a huge discount at participating vets. They send a list of those vets when they send your certificates. - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket Thanks Gloria. So far it looks like the best I'm going to be able to do on the neutering is $100. There is a chance the Tidewater SPCA Neuter Scooter will come over to the Eastern Shore and I could save $25. I can afford to care for the 2 I have rescued. I'll have to work on colony one cat at a time as my budget allows. I am trying to recruit local sponsors to help with the cost. Local SPCA doesn't believe in TNR for ferals. I just don't want to have to tell the vet anything when I bring in a colony kitty. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's wonderful that you're doing this. Would be nice if you could find a low-cost spay neuter clinic, or a free service, to help fund the neutering. RE your question about telling the vet, I don't know. If 2 are positive, still doesn't mean all the others are, although of course there's a chance. Any vet should be aware that if the kitty hasn't been tested, there's a potential for FELV or FIV. Neutering is the key to preventing the spread of this, as I understand. Least my take on it. Hope you find a good option for low cost or free neutering. Gloria On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Sharyl wrote: I had been feeding a group of dumpster 8 kittens and ended up rescuing 2, Sissy and Rocket, when they were about 12 weeks old. On their 1st vet visit both tested FeLV+. I will have both retested the end of April to see if they are still positive. I have them quarantined in my garage. They are eating Iams canned kitten food supplemented with a Super B Complex, Lactoferrin and DMG. So far they are responding well and seem very healthy. Both have had their kitten shots and been wormed. If they stay positive I will either find a forever home for them or build an enclosure onto the garage for them. I have 2 indoor kitties and one has CRF so am concerned about bringing them into the house. My questions concern the rest of the colony which includes at least 4 adults. I can not take all of them in. My plan had been to TNR the colony (trap/neuter/release). The vet is recommending euthanizing the entire colony if these 2 stay positive. I am not sure where I will be able to get then neutered if they are positive. And I can not trap them just to have them euthanized. That may be the best thing to do but I just can't do it. Is there any info on how to deal with a FeLV+ feral colony? Any advise on how to get them neutered? Am I obligated to tell the vet about the potential for FeLV when having them neutered? Sharyl Sissy and Rocket ES of VA You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now.
Re: Ringworm
I use Golden Seal on ringworm - works pretty well, unless it's in the eyes, and don't use it there unless I have an eye formula. I buy an $8 bottle(tincture) at the health food store. IT has a dropper, but sometimes I just use s q-tip. I never do massive daily cleaning - don't have time. I treat it, it goes away, I no longer have it. Had one little Persian with ringworm, that a groomer suggested a specific type bath for - and it sure did work. Have to look it up to see what kind of bath. GLoria On Apr 3, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Chris wrote: A bit OT but I figure if anyone has had experience is knowledgeable, it would be someone here… Ringworm—suddenly have an outbreak; have 6 cats presently (1 waiting for adopter)—only a couple seem to have it—long story of how it managed to get in but now I’m really lost. I have meds from vet to apply shampoo. BUT how do I clean!I borrowed a Wood’s Lamp from someone and of course I see things glowing everywhere Is the lamp good to check for spores on fabric (clothes, rugs, etc) walls or is it only for checking living things (me and the cats—LOL). I am starting to scrub and clean but now wonder, do I do that massive cleaning every day? I can’t keep the cats confined though I did close them out of one of the bedrooms. Outside of that, they’re everywhere and NOT trained to stay off furniture-LOL. Any tips, suggestions, etc. would be so gratefully appreciated. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 913-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket
Wow - I have to say - we have several options here in Ark. for $25- $40 per cat. And our rescue group even does some special deals for cat colonies. Can't believe they don't have something better than $65 in the Virginia shore area. Have you tried Spay Virginia - http://www.spayva.org/spay_neuter.html ? Gloria On Apr 3, 2008, at 7:14 PM, Sharyl wrote: The best I have found is the Virginia Beach SPCA Neuter Scooter that comes over to the Eastern Shore one day a month. The cost per cat is $65 and you have to schedule an appointment in advance. Not sure if i have to pay in advance too. That means I have to schedule a appointment then hope like heck I can trap one of them the day before. The local SPCA refused to get involved with feral kitties. Thanks for your help Sharyl Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I looked out there, and in the section on Vet and Neuter, they have absolutely nothing but veterinarians listed in my area - and we (Arkansas) have a bunch of options for low cost spay/neuter options. THey don't have our cat rescue listed, so I submitted it. I think I'd contact some local rescues to find out about s/n in Virginia - gotta be there somewhere Gloria On Apr 3, 2008, at 8:01 AM, Stray Cat Alliance wrote: You could also check out Pets 911 - lists rescues and their services, including spay/neuter, TNR, etc. http://www.pets911.com/index.php Or phone toll free 1-888-PETS-911 Best wishes, Anita From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 07:51:54 -0500 Oops - not reading my email in sequence, sorry. Well, hope you find something a lot less than $100 per. gloria On Apr 3, 2008, at 4:07 AM, Pat Kachur wrote: Does Spay USA have a branch in your state? In Georgia (Spay Georgia), one can purchase certificates which allow a huge discount at participating vets. They send a list of those vets when they send your certificates. - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket Thanks Gloria. So far it looks like the best I'm going to be able to do on the neutering is $100. There is a chance the Tidewater SPCA Neuter Scooter will come over to the Eastern Shore and I could save $25. I can afford to care for the 2 I have rescued. I'll have to work on colony one cat at a time as my budget allows. I am trying to recruit local sponsors to help with the cost. Local SPCA doesn't believe in TNR for ferals. I just don't want to have to tell the vet anything when I bring in a colony kitty. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's wonderful that you're doing this. Would be nice if you could find a low-cost spay neuter clinic, or a free service, to help fund the neutering. RE your question about telling the vet, I don't know. If 2 are positive, still doesn't mean all the others are, although of course there's a chance. Any vet should be aware that if the kitty hasn't been tested, there's a potential for FELV or FIV. Neutering is the key to preventing the spread of this, as I understand. Least my take on it. Hope you find a good option for low cost or free neutering. Gloria On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Sharyl wrote: I had been feeding a group of dumpster 8 kittens and ended up rescuing 2, Sissy and Rocket, when they were about 12 weeks old. On their 1st vet visit both tested FeLV+. I will have both retested the end of April to see if they are still positive. I have them quarantined in my garage. They are eating Iams canned kitten food supplemented with a Super B Complex, Lactoferrin and DMG. So far they are responding well and seem very healthy. Both have had their kitten shots and been wormed. If they stay positive I will either find a forever home for them or build an enclosure onto the garage for them. I have 2 indoor kitties and one has CRF so am concerned about bringing them into the house. My questions concern the rest of the colony which includes at least 4 adults. I can not take all of them in. My plan had been to TNR the colony (trap/neuter/release). The vet is recommending euthanizing the entire colony if these 2 stay positive. I am not sure where I will be able to get then neutered if they are positive. And I can not trap them just to have them euthanized. That may be the best thing to do but I just can't do it. Is there any info on how to deal with a FeLV+ feral colony? Any advise on how to get them neutered? Am I obligated to tell the vet about the potential for FeLV when having them neutered? Sharyl Sissy and Rocket ES of VA You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access
Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket
That's a great idea - sponsors - we do that occasionally, I like it. Gloria On Apr 4, 2008, at 4:40 AM, Sharyl wrote: Thanks Anita. I have heard back from both and neither have a vet in my area. Will just start saving up money and pursue finding sponsors for the kitties. Sharyl Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could also check out Pets 911 - lists rescues and their services, including spay/neuter, TNR, etc. http://www.pets911.com/index.php Or phone toll free 1-888-PETS-911 Best wishes, Anita From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 07:51:54 -0500 Oops - not reading my email in sequence, sorry. Well, hope you find something a lot less than $100 per. gloria On Apr 3, 2008, at 4:07 AM, Pat Kachur wrote: Does Spay USA have a branch in your state? In Georgia (Spay Georgia), one can purchase certificates which allow a huge discount at participating vets. They send a list of those vets when they send your certificates. - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket Thanks Gloria. So far it looks like the best I'm going to be able to do on the neutering is $100. There is a chance the Tidewater SPCA Neuter Scooter will come over to the Eastern Shore and I could save $25. I can afford to care for the 2 I have rescued. I'll have to work on colony one cat at a time as my budget allows. I am trying to recruit local sponsors to help with the cost. Local SPCA doesn't believe in TNR for ferals. I just don't want to have to tell the vet anything when I bring in a colony kitty. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's wonderful that you're doing this. Would be nice if you could find a low-cost spay neuter clinic, or a free service, to help fund the neutering. RE your question about telling the vet, I don't know. If 2 are positive, still doesn't mean all the others are, although of course there's a chance. Any vet should be aware that if the kitty hasn't been tested, there's a potential for FELV or FIV. Neutering is the key to preventing the spread of this, as I understand. Least my take on it. Hope you find a good option for low cost or free neutering. Gloria On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Sharyl wrote: I had been feeding a group of dumpster 8 kittens and ended up rescuing 2, Sissy and Rocket, when they were about 12 weeks old. On their 1st vet visit both tested FeLV+. I will have both retested the end of April to see if they are still positive. I have them quarantined in my garage. They are eating Iams canned kitten food supplemented with a Super B Complex, Lactoferrin and DMG. So far they are responding well and seem very healthy. Both have had their kitten shots and been wormed. If they stay positive I will either find a forever home for them or build an enclosure onto the garage for them. I have 2 indoor kitties and one has CRF so am concerned about bringing them into the house. My questions concern the rest of the colony which includes at least 4 adults. I can not take all of them in. My plan had been to TNR the colony (trap/neuter/release). The vet is recommending euthanizing the entire colony if these 2 stay positive. I am not sure where I will be able to get then neutered if they are positive. And I can not trap them just to have them euthanized. That may be the best thing to do but I just can't do it. Is there any info on how to deal with a FeLV+ feral colony? Any advise on how to get them neutered? Am I obligated to tell the vet about the potential for FeLV when having them neutered? Sharyl Sissy and Rocket ES of VA You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.
Re: accidental pos/negs interaction
I've come to think that adult healthy FELV- cats are just not really very susceptible to infection thru casual contact with FELV+ cats. Shoot, I wouldn't worry a minute about it. Gloria On Apr 4, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Lance wrote: I know I should know better than to have a panic attack about this, but I'm really close to having a panic attack about this. I awoke quite early this morning to discover that two of our negs had managed to get into my bedroom with my pos. Some of the cat sounds (primarily scratching on the cat tree) sounded different, because they were coming from a bigger cat, but it didn't register until I got up. My pos, while growly, wasn't acting too wound up. I'm proud of her. I'm concerned because, of course, not only is my pos in here but her food dish and litter box. Also, I don't know what was going on or how long the cats had been in here with us. I have good reason to believe that one of the cats is resistant to the virus, but the younger cat, a two year old, I'm not so sure about. She got the first round of FeLV+ vax when she was young, but those vax haven't been refreshed, as we never anticipated these sorts of run-ins. So, does anyone have thoughts on any treatment I should start? How long should I wait to have her tested? It looks like felineleukemia.org recommends 90 days? I realize that there's a possibility that this particular neg didn't come into any real contact with the virus, and if she did, that there's a decent chance she'll fight it off. However, since this cat is not mine but is the love of my mom's life, I'm crawling out of my skin right now. Your thoughts? Lance
Re: spay/neuter resources
For my area (the 501 area code), the only listings are Care, and also North Little Rock Friends of Animals (which is actually the city animal control). At least both those do offer some options for s/n, but I just haven't seen a site where they really list what's available in low cost s/n. Maybe these s/n clinics change frequently and it's hard to innumerate them? Gloria On Apr 4, 2008, at 3:47 PM, MaryChristine wrote: try www.neuterspay.org under low-cost resources. database is huge so takes awhile to load; it's not totally up-to-date because i haven't been on top of it, but at the time, it was THE most accurate in the country. (that said, no sooner had i entered a program than the info changed. or the program got cancelled sigh.) gloria, check and see if yours are listed. MC On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:40 AM, Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Anita. I have heard back from both and neither have a vet in my area. Will just start saving up money and pursue finding sponsors for the kitties. Sharyl Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could also check out Pets 911 - lists rescues and their services, including spay/neuter, TNR, etc. http://www.pets911.com/index.php Or phone toll free 1-888-PETS-911 Best wishes, Anita From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 07:51:54 -0500 Oops - not reading my email in sequence, sorry. Well, hope you find something a lot less than $100 per. gloria On Apr 3, 2008, at 4:07 AM, Pat Kachur wrote: Does Spay USA have a branch in your state? In Georgia (Spay Georgia), one can purchase certificates which allow a huge discount at participating vets. They send a list of those vets when they send your certificates. - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket Thanks Gloria. So far it looks like the best I'm going to be able to do on the neutering is $100. There is a chance the Tidewater SPCA Neuter Scooter will come over to the Eastern Shore and I could save $25. I can afford to care for the 2 I have rescued. I'll have to work on colony one cat at a time as my budget allows. I am trying to recruit local sponsors to help with the cost. Local SPCA doesn't believe in TNR for ferals. I just don't want to have to tell the vet anything when I bring in a colony kitty. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's wonderful that you're doing this. Would be nice if you could find a low-cost spay neuter clinic, or a free service, to help fund the neutering. RE your question about telling the vet, I don't know. If 2 are positive, still doesn't mean all the others are, although of course there's a chance. Any vet should be aware that if the kitty hasn't been tested, there's a potential for FELV or FIV. Neutering is the key to preventing the spread of this, as I understand. Least my take on it. Hope you find a good option for low cost or free neutering. Gloria On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Sharyl wrote: I had been feeding a group of dumpster 8 kittens and ended up rescuing 2, Sissy and Rocket, when they were about 12 weeks old. On their 1st vet visit both tested FeLV+. I will have both retested the end of April to see if they are still positive. I have them quarantined in my garage. They are eating Iams canned kitten food supplemented with a Super B Complex, Lactoferrin and DMG. So far they are responding well and seem very healthy. Both have had their kitten shots and been wormed. If they stay positive I will either find a forever home for them or build an enclosure onto the garage for them. I have 2 indoor kitties and one has CRF so am concerned about bringing them into the house. My questions concern the rest of the colony which includes at least 4 adults. I can not take all of them in. My plan had been to TNR the colony (trap/neuter/release). The vet is recommending euthanizing the entire colony if these 2 stay positive. I am not sure where I will be able to get then neutered if they are positive. And I can not trap them just to have them euthanized. That may be the best thing to do but I just can't do it. Is there any info on how to deal with a FeLV+ feral colony? Any advise on how to get them neutered? Am I obligated to tell the vet about the potential for FeLV when having them neutered? Sharyl Sissy and Rocket ES of VA You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. -- Spay
Re: test
I was dropped from the mailing list because my mail from FELVtalk to me was bouncingprobably a spam related thing... On Apr 18, 2008, at 4:14 PM, Sally Davis wrote: My Mail was bouncing. Sally -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: test
Sometimes the hosting companies get a lot of spam coming from them, for whatever reason. Like the company that felineleukemia.org resides on. If that possibly happens, they get on a black list, and other companies will bounce all the email. I dunno, but a possibility. It's happened to me in other settings. May be something else of course. Gloria On Apr 19, 2008, at 8:05 AM, Sally Davis wrote: Maybe someone hacked the site. I did not use the link in the email to reactivate. I went directly to thw webpage. All seems well now. Sally -- Beth Gouldin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 940.395.5393 God Bless!!! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: Please add Inky to CLS
Kerry, I noticed that the reply I sent about Inky didn't make it to the list. I send all my sympathy in your loss of sweet Inky - So amazing to make it to almost 22 years, what a guy. It's hard to lose someone after so long, who's really become a part of you - I know he'll stay in your heart forever. My thoughts are with you. Gloria On Apr 20, 2008, at 3:54 AM, Kerry Roach wrote: I didn't see this posted at the group so I thought I would re-send it. I guess there has been a problem with the sight. Hope this was ok. Thanks, Kerry --- On Thu, 4/17/08, Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please add Inky to CLS To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 17, 2008, 6:51 PM Hi everyone, I think some of you might remember helping me with Inky back when Bandy was ill. Although Inky wasn't felv+, I would like him added to friends at the CLS. He was Buster and Lil Rascal's uncle. He was 21 yrs 8 months and 4 days. He fought a tough battle with CRF, IBD, and hyper-t for the past 2 1/2 yrs. He went on his own terms and in his own time..He did some really unusual things the last 10 days prior to his death. Just re-visiting some of his favorite places in the house and such..He was one exceptional kitty, and I miss him so much..The place isn't the same without him as most of you know how that is. Anyway, he passed on April 13, Sunday. Thanks so much for all your help in the past and if I can ever help with anything I would be glad to do so..I hope to get back on here real soon. Kerry, Angel's Bandy, Inky, Buster, Lil Rascal, Snoopy, Striper, Albert and Alberta Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: Today is test day
Sue, thoughts and prayers coming for Buzz - Best of luck, GLoria On Apr 24, 2008, at 7:25 AM, Sue Koren wrote: Hello everybody, Today after work I will take Buzz to have his first re-test since he was diagnosed positive for FeLV. I am trying not to hope too much, but there is a bottle of champagne in the fridge if he turns out negative. Tuna for Buzz - I don't think he likes champagne. Meanwhile he has been released from his room and is socializing with the other cats. I did some of the things the people in this group recommended and that probably helped. All went well until a couple of days ago when some electricians came to our house. He really freaked! He hid for 8 hours after they were gone. His fear probably had something to do with the abuse he received as a kitten. Anyway, if anyone would care to say a prayer for my little kitty it sure would be appreciated. Sue
Re: my poor snowy
I'm so sorry, but glad they found it. I've had that experience, with an emergency vet being completely uncaring, or seeming to be. It's a pain, a real stresser. I try never to go back to those guys, once I find out what they're like. Bless you - hang in there. Gloria On Apr 26, 2008, at 7:32 PM, Lynne wrote: Well I won't be taking Snowy in for spaying this coming week. I went to clip her nails tonight and noticed that there was a big lump on her right paw. When I touched it she meowed so I got her into the emergency vet. They told me I did nothing wrong that this had happened to her over a very long period of time. Her nail had grown into her skin, along with hair and they had to put her under and remove it. It had grown far into her pad and couldn't be removed easily. I don't get this. She had seen 2 vets prior to our getting her and no one noticed this. Now the poor little thing has to be on antibiotics (Clindamycin) and wear one of those horrible hood things so she won't lick her paw. She had a piece taken out of it and cauterized. I am so sorry for what this poor little dear has been through in her short life. I just hope all this trauma doesn't cause her herpes virus to resurface. The first thing the vet did when we got her there was to squirt eye wash into her eyes and she got all upset. I kind of yelled at him for doing that and asked why. He said she looks like she has allergies and I said she's a persian their eyes tear. Fortunately there was a very knowledgeable technician present who seemed to know a lot more than this guy did. Lynne
Re: Hobbs, May 4, 2008
I'm so sorry to hear about sweet baby Hobbs. He was very fortunate to have such loving care during his lifetime, and as he was declining - a great blessing. I'm wondering how old he was. Sleep soft sweet Hobbs... Gloria On May 5, 2008, at 1:47 PM, Heather Wienker wrote: I am very sad to let everyone know that Hobbs passed away Sunday afternoon at 12:48 p.m. His caregiver, Jann, woke up Saturday and dashed around to replenish suppliesbut when she got home he was clearly declining. She felt he was suffering and made the decision on Sunday to cease force feedings as he was obviously in pain. She did keep his mouth moist and tried to keep him warm, mostly just allowing him to do whatever he wanted or could. She took a sleeping bag in her spare room slept with him Saturday night, and spent Sunday morning in her yard with him in the sun, petting and consoling him. We had been trying to find a vet to come to her home, but he ended up passing on his own...which we are grateful for, though she fears she allowed him to suffer. I think had we not tried the treatments of this last week, we would be wondering if he might have had more time. Please add Hobbs to the Candle Light Service, and keep Jann and his sister Sissy in your prayers, they were two little peas in a pod, as Jann would say. Hobbs was a year old. I am very thankful to Jann for giving Hobbs Sissy the chance to live the life of love that all kitties deserve, regardless of what is in their blood. We found them when, after 20 years in the same building on a busy university campus, I moved to a new office on the other side of campus. I was very nervous about this decision and kept telling everyone I wished that I'd get a sign from God. Upon moving, I had 2 injured feral cats colonies in the first two weeks, and also was approached by a new coworker regarding an injured cat, who was Hobbs' and Sissy's Mom. She had an eye ear injury and my heart immediately told me I had to help her; we did not know she was a nursing Mom. I had been told she was declawed, and that they'd caught her 6 months prior along with a kitten of hers (negative), she also was not injured then. Why she was put back out unspayed, I will never know unless it was because they thought she might have more kittens. When I trapped her, she was not declawed but was positive for FELV, FIV, and a nursing Mom. I really feel that Mama, Sissy, Hobbs, Mickey Sebastian were that sign from God I'd sought, as they would either still be out there reproducing and likely ill, or would have been put down due to testing positive for Leukemia had someone else trapped them. I set out to find/trap the kittens and found out that 2 ladies had already found 2 of them, I had to give them the news of the Mom' testing status. Both of their kittens were weak double+, but did clear the FIV. Initially Sissy and Hobbs were only FIV+, but they retested positive for Leukemia a month later, confirmed by retesting twice. I was so upset by all that this Mom kitty had been through, and knowing that much of it--including this litter of kittens with leukemia, could have been prevented had she been spayed...there was no way I could not give them their chance. However, being in a small condo with 10 cats, I didn't even have room for another negative cat. It is Hobbs' caretaker, Jann, who gave Hobbs and Sissy the chance for life and love that they deserved, and I know they could not have had a more loving home. I am very grateful for Jann, and know she is hurting badly right now. I want to thank everyone for their kindness, support, advice and prayers. Hobbs was a very special boy, when I first took them to Jann's as kittens she said she felt an instant connection, she has always told me this. His illness and loss has been very hard for her and she has been very appreciative of the support. Thank you all for giving these special kitties love for the time that they have here, it means everything in the world for them. In Loving Memory of Hobbs, Heather
Re: Remove name from list
Think you can unsubscribe yourself by using the form at the bottom of this page - http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Gloria On May 6, 2008, at 7:35 PM, Sally Davis wrote: Diane I am surprised that this group is clogging your email box. I have to hunt though other groups emails to even find a couple of emails from this group. You will have to unsubscribe yourself. I am not sure exactly how, but you need to go to the website to do this. Best of luck to you and your feline family. Sally On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 5:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please remove me from your mailing list. All the individual emails are clogging up my address. Thank you. Diane Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing. -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: Cornell update on virus survival in a dry environment
Hmmm, this is what I get out of it. What they seem to be saying is that there are 2 kind of viruses, enveloped viruses and non-enveloped viruses. The enveloped ones break down more easily. FELV is an enveloped virus, as are FIPV, FIV, and HIV. They did some tests with other enveloped viruses, and depending on the conditions, the virus lasted longer than was expected. They did not, however, do tests on the FELV virus, and couldn't find any that had been done on FELV; but they're assuming that it's possibly true that this virus can last longer in the environment that they thought (or not). This is an excerpt from that article - a paragraph about FELV is underlined and bigger: --- ... For years it was assumed that the enveloped FIPV and the other feline coronaviruses were quite labile and did not survive outside the cat any length of time, perhaps a matter of hours. However, studies in our laboratory on the survivability of FIPV on contaminated objects provided surprising results. Aliquots of an infectious viral preparation were dried onto Petri dishes and allowed to remain at room temperature for up to seven weeks. At varying times samples were assayed for infectious virus. There was some loss of infectivity during the drying process, but then the amount of infectious virus remained relatively constant with only a gradual decrease in viability. FIPV virus could be recovered up to seven weeks from these dried samples. Results of studies on other parvoviruses, herpesviruses, and coronaviruses of animals were consistent with our findings. [Brown, AmJVetRes 42:1033-36, 1981] I have attempted to find published controlled studies that address the survivability of FeLV in the environment, but to date I have been unable to find a creditable report in the literature. Absent such a study, what can we learn from other studies that can reasonably predict what occurs with FeLV. Van Bueren et al. [J. Clin. Microbiol. 32(2):571-574, 1994] studied the survival of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), the cause of human AIDS, in suspension and dried on surfaces. They looked at survival of both cell-free and cell-associated virus either suspended in serum or dried onto glass surfaces. Both cell-associated and cell-free HIV suspended in serum survived for several weeks at room temperature. Cell-free HIV that was dried onto a glass surface survived for at least seven days, while cell-associated HIV was inactivated faster than cell-free virus, but still survived up to five days. The published results of several other studies on HIV are consistent with the results obtained by Van Bueren et al. FeLV, HIV, and FIV all belong to the same virus family, retroviruses. It is reasonable to assume that the survivability of FeLV on a contaminated surface will be similar to that of HIV – days to weeks rather that minutes to hours. There is no scientific evidence to show that the simple process of drying of FeLV immediately renders it inactive or not infectious. On May 18, 2008, at 8:35 PM, Sally Davis wrote: Hi Folks, I ran across this article updating Cornell's stance on this subject. According to cornell the FELV virus can still survive 5-7 days in a dry environment. http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/askDr/FeLVEnvironment.pdf -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Cornell update on virus survival in a dry environment
I think James needs to change the default so that the REPLY goes to the list not the individual. Gloria On May 21, 2008, at 8:59 PM, Chris wrote: I have a feeling that the difference is that you now have to “reply to all” to reply to the list—otherwise the mail just goes to the person who posted it. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Sally Davis Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:30 PM To: MacKenzie, Kerry N.; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Cornell update on virus survival in a dry environment I am having the same problem. Not many emails here either. Sally On 5/21/08, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for that Sally. I must find time to look at it. On a different note, I don't think the list can be working. Replies to emails from the list seem to go only to the respondee, unless Reply to All is chosen. I'll try to contact James tomorrow. What sort of service are you getting? Normal, or hardly anything? Kerry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Sally Davis Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 8:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Cornell update on virus survival in a dry environment Hi Folks, I ran across this article updating Cornell's stance on this subject. According to cornell the FELV virus can still survive 5-7 days in a dry environment. http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/askDr/FeLVEnvironment.pdf -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Sebastian Please add to the CLS :(
I'm so sorry, Sherry - Hope he had a gentle passing, and was greeted joyfully by all our babies at the Bridge. Gloria On May 26, 2008, at 7:54 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: I am saddened to say that we lost another one of our sanctuary babies. Sebastian was a sweet gray and white boy.On monday he was talking to me alot,maybe he was letting me know that he is leaving. :( I will miss that great boy. Sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Re:
OK Thanks, MC! On Jun 7, 2008, at 10:11 AM, MaryChristine wrote: try www.neuterspay.org under low-cost resources but give the database time to load--it's BIG. plus, i'll send it on to a feral friend in the area. wait, that didn't come out right.. or maybe it did. On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sent this message to CentralTexasRescue, but thought I'd check with my FELVtalk friends and see if there's any Texas folks or knowledge out here! This is not an FELV issue, but a feral and s/n issue. I'm know someone in Grand Saline, TX, east of Dallas, who's taking care of some feral cats. He now has a feral mama with babies, and is looking for low-cost spay/neuter resources in his area. I thought I'd see if anybody knows of any low cost s/n in that area - Dallas/Ft Worth, and east of there. Thanks! Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Humphrey Please add to the CLS :(
I'm so sorry, Sherry - sleep soft sweet Humphrey... Gloria On Jun 10, 2008, at 9:42 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: I am saddened to say that we lost yet another sweet Sids kid.Humphrey was a trooper through it all,feeding tube,meds everything Dr. Jen could do to make him better.He lived with her at the clinic during the week and on the weekends someone from the clinic would take him home.We had him at the sanctuary on and off and just this past weekend he was with us.He was a big beautiful gray boy with a sweet soft meow. Sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Prayers needed for Michelle's Patches
I'm so sorry - prayers coming for Patches! Gloria On Jun 16, 2008, at 9:50 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I don't know if this will go through as I don't seem to be getting regular email from the list. But if it does could you please send prayers for former listmember Michelle's (Lerner) Patches. (See below) I haven't been able to post recently in any case, but please know all of you on the list are and always will be very close to my heart. Sending prayers for all your sick furbabes, and my condolences and hugs to all those who have lost a beloved furbaby. Love and thanks for all you do for our furbabies, Kerry Michelle's email: Patches was just diagnosed with lymphoma and needs prayers-- can you ask the list? She is feeling ok; Gray noticed a hard lump on her abdomen. Right now all we know is that she has a subcutaneous lymphoma mass; it's unclear whether it has spread. We have an oncology appointment for tomorrow. If it is only subcutaneous, there are some good survival time statistics, but she is FeLV+, FIV+, diabetic, and hyperthyroid and at least 7 years old (and vet thinks older). Given that, I think she needs a lot of prayers. She is my last positive baby left. thanks, _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: spaying
Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in good shape before any surgery. And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs don't know that. I've had that happen. Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: == http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though. == Hope this is helpful. Gloria On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90
Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS!
Just want to repeat this, folks - BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT SPAYING PERSIANS! Small airways, more risk of death. As I understand this is a Persian! Check with the vet first - and check the vet out - make sure they've spayed Persians before, know what they're doing, will intubate, etc. Don't let just any vet spay a Persian. I lost a kitty this way. See the article below. Gloria --- On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in good shape before any surgery. And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs don't know that. I've had that happen. Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: == http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though. == Hope this is helpful. Gloria On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now
Re: spaying
Sounds good - better safe than sorry. Gloria On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Lynne wrote: Gloria, I spoke with my vet today and was assured that extra precautions are taken with cats like Persians. The anesthetic used is Isoflorine and she will be intubated. Lynne - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:46 AM Subject: Re: spaying Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in good shape before any surgery. And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs don't know that. I've had that happen. Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: == http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though. == Hope this is helpful. Gloria On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh
Re: OT - sorta
I had double pos a few years back - Mr. Black Kitty (MBK) - course he was kind of scraggly and off the street when I got him. I did no special medical treatments, but did use special food at some point to stop diarrhea, worked great. He broke one of his frail legs, but the vet couldn't set it because it was so thin. I'm trying to remember - think I wrapped it with a splint so he could walk better. But he died suddenly after about a year, no signs of problems prior to that, ate well too, just died one night. I have 1 double pos now, B.B. He came to me in a pretty healthy state, and he has no problems. He's about 5 yrs old, have had him for a year, I think. All my feleuks are doing well now. With the feleuks I've had that died, I've used pretty conservative treatment on, figured why torture the kitties. Just try to keep the stress down, and deal with symptoms and keep them comfortable. Have had some chemo, some blood transfusions for anemia. If they're under 3 yrs, I use Interferon Alpha (which I can get cheaply) as a way to boost the immune system. Gloria On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi guys, The off-topic part: We are trying to think of catchy names for our new service where we take the pets of low-income people for basic vet care (I.e. spay/neuter, rabies shot, etc). The on topic part of this: as some of you read, one of the kitties we had neutered through this program turned out double pos. So my question is: How far should we really go with this cat? He has a home, the owners cannot afford special care for him, I'm not sure it makes any difference if he is really + or not. We got the other cat in the household vaccinated and boostered. The problem is that the more we do for any individual cat, the less we can do for other cats. As a nonprofit we can get a discount on SNAP tests, but not (that I know of) IFA tests. I wish we could do everything for every cat, but clearly we can't do that... -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: I must be nuts!
Congrats! That's wonderful, Sue. My personal baby is a flame point mix who's over 10 - not FELV, but he used to hang out with 2 of my FELV babies who are not gone to the bridge. So I have a soft heart for flame points. Gloria On Jun 24, 2008, at 8:06 AM, Sue Koren wrote: Hi Everyone! Saturday I went to a local cat rescue home and adopted a beautiful 16lb. flame point siamese boy. He is 10 years old and FeLV+. I have been missing my cuddler, Tucker, so much that I just wanted another loveable lap cat kitty. There were over 200 cats in that home but when I picked up Orlando it was all over. He just snuggled right in. His previous owner passed away in January. She had a lot of acreage, a couple of barns and a shop where she made signs. She had 17 cats who roamed the place and were never let inside or given vet care. When she passed away her husband brought all the cats to this rescue and several were FeLV+. Ironically, that was about the time Buzz was diagnosed and I was still trying to find a home for him. When I called this rescue they told me that they had just taken in several positives and did not have room. If someone had told me then that I would be taking one of the positives I never would have believed them. Anyway, Orlando is a very special sweetheart of a cat. He is even getting along fairly well with the other 5. Yesterday I had him to the vets and they found that he had once had a broken leg that was never taken care of and healed wrong. (I knew his back right leg was stiff). Time will tell if that is something to take care of now or not. They also re-confirmed the FeLV+. Anyway I am getting way too long winded. Thanks for listening to me ramble, Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Prayers needed AGAIN
Prayers coming for Melina! Gloria On Jul 2, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: Please can we get ALL the prayers and good thoughts for beautiful sweet Melina.Dr.Jen took her home with her to try and get her feeling better.She thinks that she may becoming septic.So she has started her on Doxy and Prednisone and will do a work up on her tomorrow.Please pray for this baby girl that won my heart the moment I saw her.I know in the long run the aweful felv will win. :( But maybe she can win just this one more time. THank you all so much Sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
any contact in Houston, TX?
Anybody have any contacts in Houston, TX? There's an FIV cat down there that I'd like to find a home for. Looking for possible contacts in rescue, and/or at one of the universities, etc. Thanks, Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Admin: New website design
It does load up faster, James - is that because of the new server or hosting co, or what? Great job - Gloria On Jul 16, 2008, at 9:12 PM, James G Wilson wrote: Hey all, I've finally gotten around to updating our FeLV website (with Belinda's help). You can check it out at: http://www.felineleukemia.org I hope that it is easier to read and loads a bit faster. If anyone wishes to help update the content of the site, please let me and/or Belinda know privately. Reluctantly, I've added a donations page to the site to help offset my out-of-pocket costs for maintaining the site. Best wishes. James G. Wilson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.myspace.com/wilsonjamesg (My Space Page) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Any info on FIV cats and non FIV cats
I have had FIV cats mixed with non-FIV cats for 4 or 5 years. No problems. I know others in my area who do that too. Our vet supports it. My FIV cats stay pretty darn healthy, like the other cats. So no problem! Hope this helps - Gloria On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:01 PM, April and Jay wrote: I am thinking of bring in a sweet sray we've been caring for into our home. He is FIV Positive and non of my cats are. From what I have been reading it only seems to be past on by a deep bite wound. Does anyone have a FIV cat with non FIV cats? He has been very healthy. How long a life do they usely have? Thanks ahead of time! Apri PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine
Lysine counters the Arginine that Herpes needs to replicate - ...from veterinarypartner.com... • Oral Lysine Herpes viruses as a group are highly dependent on the presence of an amino acid called arginine. Without arginine, Herpes cannot reproduce. The amino acid lysine is taken up by the virus in favor of arginine. We can take advantage of this situation by saturating the virus with lysine and thus suppressing the virus' ability to replicate. Lysine is readily available in most health food stores as a tablet or capsule. One should be sure that the formula used is free of the preservative propylene glycol as cats can have blood reactions against this compound. A month or so of supplementation is required in order to determine if supplementation has been helpful. Gloria On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Sally Davis wrote: Hi Wendy Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I believe the addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV especially if they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to whether it boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a cat that does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I gave Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the herpes virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether you are able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant to be inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO. I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am uncertain how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff and I think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If you are going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has changed formulation but is it the plus form. Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so passionate. Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going far longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing. He lived another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got real bad very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in case I can help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope I am not put to the test again. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat
Tabby's Place perhaps? http://www.tabbysplace.org/ Gloria On Aug 5, 2008, at 6:34 PM, JENI RECA wrote: Hi, Need help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat. Female, young (between 1-3 years old), tabby, will be spayed and up to date on vaxes before rehomed. The cat was abandoned at the shelter I work at, she tested positive on elisa and IFA and now needs to find a home in a week. She will be pts if I don't find her a place to go. I can not take her in, I have four feluk positives, three dogs and a husband that says no more, plus I can't afford to feed another cat. Willing to travel, you will also get food with her and a carrier. In the new york area...Please help Jeni [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:07:09 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you to everyone on this list. Yipee!!! I am so happy for the good news. Junior started out anemic as well it was actually the first symptom that something was wrong. He was put on Baytril rather than doxy but for the same reason. His anemia got better. It was not as bad as Buzzy's. Great News. Sally Davis ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat
Might call and ask them who does...?
Gloria
On Aug 5, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Debbie Harrison wrote:
I know they take FIV and many other health concerns, but I don't
think they do Felv.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:17:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need
help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat Tabby's Place
perhaps? http://www.tabbysplace.org/ Gloria On Aug 5,
2008, at 6:34 PM, JENI RECA wrote:Hi, Need help-seeking
forever home for feluk positive cat. Female, young (between 1-3
years old), tabby, will be spayed and up to date on vaxes before
rehomed. The cat was abandoned at the shelter I work at, she
tested positive on elisa and IFA and now needs to find a home in
a week. She will be pts if I don't find her a place to go. I can
not take her in, I have four feluk positives, three dogs and a
husband that says no more, plus I can't afford to feed another
cat. Willing to travel, you will also get food with her and a
carrier. In the new york area...Please help Jeni [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 4 Aug
2008 17:07:09 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you to everyone on this list.
Yipee!!! I am so happy for the good news. Junior
started out anemic as well it was actually the first
symptom that something was wrong. He was put on Baytril
rather than doxy but for the same reason. His anemia got better. It
was not as bad as Buzzy's. Great News.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat
I know that the party line is that they shouldn't be vaccinated, and I've always understood that. But I know of a vet in Oklahoma who *did* advocate vaccinating FELVs as a part of enhancing the immune response. Surprised me, but the cats I got were from that project were 10 years old and healthy. I have not continued the vaccinating. 2 of them since died, once immediately after transport to Arkansas, the other one died last year after I came back from vacation. The other 2 are still with me (and maybe 12-13 years old.) Ya never know... Gloria On Aug 6, 2008, at 3:40 PM, Sabrina wrote: She will be vaxed, checked out, and spayed before she is rehomed. Can you get around vaxing her? If she is FeLV+, she should NOT be vaccinated. Only healthy, virus-free animals should be vaccinated. Check your vaccine manufacturer's directions. This is what my vaccine (Intervet Protex-3) says on the label: Only healthy animals should be vaccinated. Animals incubating any disease, or animals stressed due to shipping, malnutrition or parasitism may not achieve or maintain an adequate immune response. Her immune system is being taxed by the virus, she does not need further challenges to her immune system. Contrary to popular belief, vaccines are NOT harmless. Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?
Agreed here - they're completely separate -kitty doesn't need vaccinations prior to spay/neuter. Gloria On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:30 PM, Marylyn wrote: He most assuredly can be. I have had non-FeLV+ spayed (much more serious) without their vaccinations. Talk to the vet and if you can't do anything find another one. I just took LCK and LGK to the vet to be checked out (they came in from the pine thicket--long story). They went in at different times. They are young (8 or so weeks) but at the age people start getting their shots. I made it very plain that I wanted nothing but worming, de-miting/fleaing etc and what they needed for their immediate health (one was dehydrated, vomiting etc). I want them to be older and better health before their system is assaulted with vaccines. The vets agreed to that and (unofficially) supported the decision. If he is not boarding the vet has absolutely no reason to vaccinate. On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Jennifer wrote: So wait...my Ash is FeLV+ and getting neutered on the 28th, but he's going in for all his shots on the 14th. He needs to be fixed because he's spraying and I can't have that. He can't be fixed without his vaxes. What should I do? Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Sabrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Sabrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 8:40 PM She will be vaxed, checked out, and spayed before she is rehomed. Can you get around vaxing her? If she is FeLV+, she should NOT be vaccinated. Only healthy, virus-free animals should be vaccinated. Check your vaccine manufacturer's directions. This is what my vaccine (Intervet Protex-3) says on the label: Only healthy animals should be vaccinated. Animals incubating any disease, or animals stressed due to shipping, malnutrition or parasitism may not achieve or maintain an adequate immune response. Her immune system is being taxed by the virus, she does not need further challenges to her immune system. Contrary to popular belief, vaccines are NOT harmless. Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens beFeLV+??
I don't know the groups in Southern New Jersey (although I lived there many years ago) - but some group will gladly help you with testing and s/n. Yes, the kittens would most likely be euthanized at a shelter, if FELV +.Good chance they'd be euthanized even if negative. BTW, some vets will spay a pregnant cat, depending on how far along, some won't. Let us know what the test results are! Best of luck, Gloria On Aug 11, 2008, at 7:47 PM, Jennifer wrote: and the only possible father is my FeLV+ kitty, Ash. Isobel is showing signs of pregnancy (hard and protruding tummy as well as pointy nipples). She's going this Thursday to get tested for FeLV. My question is, if she tests negative (which my guess is she won't being that her and Ash mated), will the kittens be FeLV+ because their father is FeLV+? Also, if Isobel is pregnant and she is FeLV+, does that automatically mean the kittens will be too? I feel so horrible about not getting her fixed sooner, but my money is tight and I have to save up just to take them to the vet. If she is pregnant, I can't keep the kittens as we already have three and my boyfriend is allergic and says no way to any more cats in the house, which I understand. If I take them to a shelter and they're positive, won't they put them to sleep right away? I don't want that to happen. I live in Southern New Jersey...anyone want more kittens?? When I take her to the vet this week, I'll have them confirm her pregnancy. Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gloria/ question
Hey Jane - ]]\ I haven't used it in a year or two, so I'll have to check my dosage. I used instructions from the vet I got it from and used Tally's instructions at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/interferon.html In fact it was originally Tally who promoted it's use here. This is human interferon, not Omega Interferon. As I recall, I mixed it as per the vets instructions, then put it in smaller tubs which I would thaw out periodically to use . When I originally got it from my vet, the cost was excessive. Like $60 for a fairly small bottle. I found different prices with different vets, and finally found it (unmixed) for $15 from a sympathetic vet, and started mixing it myself (as per his instructions and Tallys instructions, except I used plastic tubs not syringes. Gloria On Aug 13, 2008, at 10:49 PM, Jane Lyons wrote: Gloria I am going to follow your advice. My kitten is roughly 2+ years. She was highly symptomatic and recovered with the exception of mildly inflamed gums. Last week she had a relapse with some sneezing and a mild runny nose. Since we are facing that 2.5 to 3 year danger zone I thought I should begin interferon. Would you tell me what you use and how? I was told by a friend to start with human interferon. My vet never offered it as an alternative, so I am going to have to tell her what to prescribe and what dosage to give. If I did not have this list, we would never had made it past the first year. I appreciate your advice. Jane On Aug 13, 2008, at 10:45 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Welcome to the list! I must admit, I feed pretty ordinary food. Would do better if I didn't do rescue and consequently have rescue cats. But I have 2 FELV cats that I acquired from Oklahoma, and they're over 10. I've had them for a few years, the previous owner had them for quite a few. They're not on anything special, except love and care. The vet for the previous owner had them vaccinated for FELV yearly - he thought it helped. Go figure. All my FELV cats are over 3. The problems I've had are at the age 2.5 to 3 yrs old, and never had one make it past that age. My current 'theory' is to use interferon till they get over 3 yrs. I have a friend with 1 FELV, and 1 non-FELV, and the FELV kitty made it to 3 yrs and beyond and she does keep him on interferon.. They're doing great too! Thanks for writing and for joining the list! Gloria in Arkansas At 08:31 PM 8/13/2008, you wrote: Hello! I'm new to this list. My husband and I have two FeLV positive cats. Bo is four, and Seven was a year old in June. We have them both on interferon and have regular well-cat visits with our vets. So far, Bo and Seven are in good health. I have read a lot recently about diets for cats with FeLV. Any tips from the folks here on what to look for in designing a good-health diet for our beloved cats? Glad to be a part of this list! Jody (and Bo Seven) -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures?
I too have little experience with seizures. I have heard of using steroids, rather than phenobarb, for seizures, but dont know anything about it.. I've recently been around a kitten that moved in a tight circle, we suspected brain injury, so appreciate that info Michele.. Best of luck, Gloria On Aug 15, 2008, at 12:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I do have experience with feline seizures as I have a cat that suffered head trauma (before I rescued him). My cat is not aggressive in any way but he does display other odd behaviors. He does not play with toys and he is not interested in catnip. He's really not curious about anything. The phenobarbital is a strong sedative and I think that explains some of my cat's behavior. He is on a fairly high dose to help control the seizures. Have you checked the cat's mouth? I've found that sometimes cats freak out with medication because they have bad teeth or mouth sores. Is there any possibility that the couple abused the cat or that the cat had a head injury? The bloodied nails are a bit suspicious. We have carpeting and all the times my cat has had a seizure he's never gotten stuck in the carpet in any way, though I imagine it could happen. One common sign of brain injury or damage is when a cat walks in a tight circle over and over again. My cat does that and if he's doing it too much I have to give him extra medication to hopefully avoid a seizure. -- Michele -- Original message -- From: Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] I apologize for the length of this email but I need some help. It appears the non-FELV kittens that I fostered a year ago in Sept.- whom all had severe UTIs and were rescued from the general population at Metro-- and whom I feel that I literally rescued from certain death due to the severity of their UTIs-- are coming back to haunt me. You may recall that 2 of that group that I was unable to get my hands on to foster early enough I feel- I wasn't able to get to them until Dec.- ended up dying in late Jan. (Posse- maybe of wet FIP or a congenital heart defect- I believe the latter) and early Feb. (Brumley- maybe of dry FIP or Toxo). Well, one from this same group (we have no info about whether any are littermates, but all were condo-mates and foster-mates at some point) was returned to me yesterday. He was adopted out in Dec.- frankly- to a lady I did not want him to go to, but was forced b/c he was not my original rescue (it's a long story)- but she had clear health issues and this cat was always the most hyperactive kitten I've ever fostered and I really suspected he would make mince-meat of this old lady and her husband. They called yesterday to say he's been having seizures since the end of July. He's been to the vet twice- shortly after the seizures started. I'm not clear on what the vet did that first visit- the people said vet took blood, didn't find anything, and the cat was doing okay until recently when the seizures started again. I did have the vet fax me records, but I am having difficulty reading her notes from the first visit for seizures. The adoptive parents say he pulled out nails during the seizures on the carpet and he indeed seems to have a few bloodied nails- but he won't let me touch them to examine. The vet put him on clavamox for the nails. They took him to the vet yesterday morning again due to more seziures and the vet took more blood to send off to the lab to check for FIV/FELV and most importantly, Toxoplasmosis (he previously tested neg for Felv/FIV). We are awaiting those results that won't be in until Monday at the earliest and of course, I know ALL about the titers and the antibodies so I don't necessarily expect the blood work to tell me much, unless of course his Toxo titers are thru the roof (but even still?). Other than his bloodied nails and just looking a tad more neglected than I would like (some dander, dirty back feet pads, getting fat- big belly droop that I am NOT happy about- the cat just turned 1!, and he had fleas (which the vet treated him for)), he looks like a wonderfully healthy cat. But then again, if he's having neurological issues, I wouldn't necessarily expect him to look unhealthy on the outside. The adoptive parents called me b/c they said they cannot medicate him. They were given Phenobaribitol to help control the seziures and Clavamox. The lady said she couldn't get either in him b/c he is aggressive and has bit her many times and scratched her.l The husband got on the phone and said his wife is not in good health, he's trying to care for her, and he can't have the cat doing that to her so if I didn't come get him, he would put him down. I asked if he was willing to wait until the results of the blood panel JUST taken
Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures Update
That's wonderful, Caroline!! Gloria On Aug 19, 2008, at 10:16 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Here's an update on my adopted/returned foster cat with alleged seizures: By the time his appt rolled around yesterday with the vet of my choice, I knew it was going to go well. The more people I talked to about it, the more people said there was something wrong with those people at that house and having him out of there was the most important thing. But he's just gotten better and better. I have no trouble medicating him at all. Just those first few times. He's actually one of the easiest I've ever medicated now!! I haven't had a scratch or a bite yet and it goes super fast-- he's a good boy! The odd aggressive behavior is lessened. He totally trusts me already and is a complete love-bug. He is just a quirky, willful little thing and that's just his personality-- he wants to run around and be hyper and get into everything and so sometimes when I scoop him up, he does that growling, but it's funny/harmless. Most importantly, no seizures-- no signs of seizures. I've had him since Thursday and you'd think he never left me with the way he responds to me! So the vet saw a totally healthy, friendly, bright, Curious George Cat yesterday! He just walks all over the exam room, jumps in the doctor's lap and rolls around!, purrs, tries to get into everything! It's great to watch. Dr. said we have a very healthy cat and he can't believe those people said they were going to put him down! He said this is not a cat you even consider that with! He agrees there was possible abuse. But he also suggested that-- upon watching the cat's behavior in the exam room- that he is a cat who wants to get into everything so he thinks it's very possible the cat got into something- like a chemical- and the people- since they are so weird- just didn't know and overreacted. He said that's very possible and with the way that cats metabolize things so slowly, it might just take a while for him to work it out of his system and that could be why he maybe had continuing seizures (if he even had them). He said since there's been so seizures and the cat is happy, he doesn't want to change anything. Stay on the same dose of phenobarb for 1 mth. Then he wants to see him again in a month and they will take blood and get a phenobarb level at that time. Then we will work on taking him off it slowly and monitoring the level. He said if we start taking him off and he has a seizure- then we know he was having them, but at least we know that the phenobarb will control it. But Dr. said no signs of a neurological defect-- none at all. No need to even consider a catscan b/c there's just no signs-- totally alert and bright. He said if it was FIP, there'd be other neurological signs, like ataxia. But also, I don't know if I told you that?- adoptive parents vet called on sat- and everything negative- fip, toxo, felv, fiv- neg. Dr. confirmed too that blood work looks great. Good news all around! He's a happy, healthy, bouncing boy and I'm glad to have him back in my care! Thanks for everyone's input, care and concern! Caroline _ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Duncan is gone
I'm so sorry to hear that, Laura. All our kitties will welcome Duncan and your other baby to the Bridge where they will no longer have suffering. Sleep soft, sweet Duncan. On Aug 19, 2008, at 8:32 PM, Laura Mostello wrote: Sadly, I had to have Duncan euthanized last night. He was suffering from a URI and getting Clavamox, and the URI was clearing up, but he was still sluggish. On Sunday night he seemed disoriented, and was crying as if he was in a lot of pain. I rushed him to the emergency vet and then to my regular vet Monday morning. The vet called me at 5:30 as I was driving home from work to get Duncan's food and told me that he thought Duncan was very close to dying. Test results had showed Hemobartonella and he was fading fast. We talked about possible treatments but Dr Leathers felt that it would be best, and kindest, to put him down. He deteriorated so quickly - just a couple of days ago he was eating and walking around. Unfortunately, I assumed he just wasn't 100% because of the URI. I will not make that mistake again. He has never shown any symptoms in the year that I've had him. My other two positives, who lived with him, are fine, but I'm going to have them checked out at the vet next week. I lost my 18 year old cat last Monday so this hasn't been a very good past couple of weeks for me. Laura ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] chemotherapy
I'm so sorry - I agree, I have little faith in chemo for cats. And this is such a personal decision to make. There is some chemo that has helped in situations I've had with lymphoma cats, but it seems to be in shrinking lymph nodes temporarily. I've had fluid drawn out of chest areas also, and that's also helped extend their life and comfort. I think it was vincristine that we used for these kitties, and it seemed to help hold things at bay for a while, with mediastinal lymphoma. IT didnt seem very harsh, and the vet confirmed that. Also had 1 blood transfusion per cat and that helped. There is a Wisconsin protocol, where the chemo is alternated, and I've never used it, but it sounded effective in some situations, possibly. Best of luck to you. Gloria On Aug 22, 2008, at 9:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Caroline, Belinda, Diane, and Michele, Thanks so much for sharing and for your kindness. It's very helpful and comforting to hear from people what have been through something similar and/or who truly care. I know there are no easy answers as to the best thing to do or not to do. My Emma tested positive on both multiple snap tests and on laboratory ELISA tests, so as much as I was hoping it was some kind of mistake, she is indeed FeLV+. Over this past weekend, she suddenly stopped eating and drinking, her coat went from shiny black (she's a tuxedo) to dull and covered with dandruff, her purr was gone, and she was lethargic. The ultrasound revealed enormous lymph nodes, and the blood test revealed a RBC count of 10 (dangerously low) and a WBC count twice what it should be. Analysis of the bone marrow points to lymphoma. The Vet is encouraging chemotherapy, but because of past experiences with two of my dogs, I don't have a lot of faith in Veterinary oncologists. I don't want a Veterinarian giving me false help and encouraging me to pursue chemotherapy if, in fact, there's little chance it will help, and a better chance that it won't help, or worse, that it will cause suffering. Caroline, I can relate to your situation with the tumor on Monkee's leg. My dog Rebel had a mast cell tumor on his leg, which the surgeon was able to debulk, but he was unable to get clean margins. He offered amputation as an option, but Rebel was 12 years old and a big dog, and I didn't think he would manage well (though I've seen many younger dogs and even cats do perfectly well with three legs). It turns out it was really good that I didn't pursue amputation of the leg, because a week later, Rebel had a tumor on his back. The tumor on his leg grew back and continued to grow despite chemotherapy. It was the size of a large honeydew. But I continued to give him chemotherapy, hoping for a miracle. There ended up being no miracle and I lost my Rebel. Several years earlier, I'd put my dog, Daisy, through chemotherapy and radiation when she was diagnosed with oral melanoma. My Veterinarian told me I'd lose her in six months, with or without treatment. I went to an oncologist anyway and was told there was a 20% chance the treatment would help. So Daisy went throught the treatment, and a week before she died, another oncologist put her on an experimental drug (Thalidomide) despite the fact that her lungs were full of tumors. I know that everyone's experiences are different and that we all want to do what's best for our furry family members. It's just so hard to know what is best. But your support and advice have been my saving grace this week. I no longer feel quite so alone. Thank you. -- Adrienne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] chemotherapy
Yup, I remember using Prednisone too - and it did help. I'm not sure, but I think it not only suppresses symptoms, but suppresses the inflammation, so guess less fluid collecting in the chest area (or whereever). Gloria On Aug 22, 2008, at 10:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Gloria.I think what's adding to the fact that I have little faith in the Veterinary community is the fact that it seems as though many veterinarians don't know a whole lot about FeLV. It's difficult because I expect to be able to turn to the Veterinarians so I can get accurate information and make an informed decision. But the ones I've spoken to don't seem to have much info at all. In fact, my regular Veterinarian thought my Emma had a large tumor. It turns out that what she was feeling was a very full bladder. Argh For now, I'm going ahead with the Prednisone. Since starting her on it, her appetite is back, so maybe she'll regain some strength. I hope everyone and their kitties has a relaxing, comfortable weekend. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat
I'm so glad you joined this group - I remember when I found my little kitten Calawalla Banana BooBoo, in 2001, and she looked so darned healthy - so lively, and she tested positive for FELV and I just didn't know anything about it. Fortunately, I had a vet who didn't sugggest euth. and who said not to worry, the virus dies when it hits the air, etc etc. I kept her separated from my other cats for a while - even taped paper to the bottom of the door. But after rading and talking and being on this list, I finally decided to just open the doors up and mix the cats. WOrked fine. Calawalla died in 2004. I knew about interferon, from Tally and her web site, but never used it - just didn't think that healthy little kitten would get sick and die. But she did, she was between 2.5 and 3 yrs old.It seemed fairly sudden, but she had mediastinal lymphoma. Anyhow, I'm a believer in daily interferon, if the kitties are less than 4 years old. I have a friend with 1 FELV cat and 1 non-FELV cat. She's used oral low dose interferon for her FELV cat, and kitty has made it past kittenhood into adult hood (must be 5 or 6 now). There are vastly different prices available for interferon. BTW, I have 5 FELV cats right now - 1 is 5, 2 are around 13 years, and the new one is a year or two - I'm starting him on interferon. SOunds like your kitten may have some additional problems, but he may turn out ok - I'd encourage you to go ahead and pursue keeping him healthy, and also look into interferon. Chicken sounds like a good option for upset stomach, btw. Best of luck, Gloria On Aug 23, 2008, at 8:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My son found kiwi beside his dead sibling in the woods. Kiwi was actually very healthy. We cleaned him up and gave him kitten formula. The next day we took him to our local vet who thought he was between 2 1/2 to 3 weeks old. He would not suck on the kitten nipple bottle so we feed him through a dropper. He acted as though we could not feed him fast enough. He loved his kitten formula. We did everything for him a mom cat would do. He thrived. When he was about 3 months old one of my daughters took the kitten to the vet because she was also taking her cat. Everything looked good until they did the fel Luk test. It came take positive. We were all shocked. The vet asked us what we wanted to do. Like do we want them to put him to sleep. I couldn't believe it. This active happy go lucky kitten. I couldn't imagine doing something like that. We were worried about the other cat, who had been immunized against it. He came back negative. Well, this was last summer. Now he is a year old and has been fixed and tested positive again. We think he might have gotten it from his farel mother's milk. All this time we were trying to place him in a foster home, because we had two dogs and another cat. There has not been any openings, I think possibly because he is felv positive. Right now he has diarrhea and some guk in his eyes. But he does act fine. I do feed him dry food because he throws up wet food. He needs to see a vet, but I don't have the money. I know with dogs if they get an upset stomack and have diarrhea, chicken breast is good. I am wondering if chicken breast might be helpful for cats also. I am also exploring to see if I can sign him up with Bandfield at Petsmart. I would get the top plan which is about $30.00. I figure it's better then nothing. I think most lab work is included. And I also think they he will need plenty of blood test to check his blood count. Any advise is very welcomed. Thanks! P.S. wish I could send pictures of him! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi
Another remedy - our rescue normally does a drop or two of Revolution on the back for kittens - can get fleas and internal parasites. I also buy Panacur for $8 at the Farmers store, and give a little bit (1/4 cc) to kittens for parasites. I buy homeopathic anti-diarrhea tincture in a small bottle for $8-10 at the health food store and use it for some forms of diarrhea. I like the canned pumpkin for diarrhea too, sounds like a great first thing to try for the baby. Best of luck, Gloria On Aug 24, 2008, at 2:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will only take him to the vets as needed. I am a little worried because he is a bit thin and has the runny stools that he might have some type of deficiency. He might need it this time just to see where he stands. He hasn't seen a vet since he was fixed. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Two kitties - names unknown - please add to CLS(nonFELV)
Problem is, if you turn these shelter people in, and you're a rescuer, these folks may take it out on you and your pets/rescues. Gloria On Aug 31, 2008, at 3:38 AM, Alice hanson wrote: Kelley, that is one of the worst things I have ever heard!!! That place ought to have their license pulled. It is a blatant error! I feel so bad for you and those poor innocent beings. Where is this place? Alice - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Two kitties - names unknown - please add to CLS (nonFELV) Kelley that is just aweful!!! I am sickened by this.bless their little souls. Sherry --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] Two kitties - names unknown - please add to CLS (non FELV) To: felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 8:50 PM Hi guys, I'm very sad today. We had made arrangements to pull a blind cat and a cat with a cleft palate (the kitty with the cleft palate's mom went into a nursing home). We were supposed to pick them up today. The shelter rescue coordinator called and told us they had accidentally been killed two days ago. Apparently this shelter's policy is to immediately kill all handicapped kitties. I still don't understand how you can accidentally kill a cat - these cats were safe - they had rescue - and they were still killed. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescutieshttp://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenseshttp://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Michelle's Patches is an angel
I'm so sorry - thanks for letting us know. Gloria On Sep 9, 2008, at 11:30 PM, Belinda Sauro wrote: I'm sorry to let you all know, Michelle's Patches passed away yesterday at the hospital, her body just wasn't physically strong enough to handle anymore treatment ... they are devastated, please say a prayer for them. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sharkey Please add to the CLS :(
What a beautiful kitty - I'm so sorry he didn't make it to live longer. Gloria On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:55 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: Well he was going to get to go home with his foster parents when he was well enough to,but he had worsen very quickly. We lost him on the 18th. He was a beautiful gray and white fluffy boy.He had a loving home for 5 months. Sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Note from MC
Absolutely - thanks for passing this on to us. Gloria On Sep 24, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Belinda Sauro wrote: Hi All, Got a note from MC about a former very active member of the list, some may remember Mari, the screen name she used was spiritcat. She lives in the Houston area and was hit pretty hard by hurricane Ike. She's got a lot of very special-needs kitties--two leggers, in diapers, etc.--and they've been without power since Ike hit, and will be without it for maybe another two weeks. She has been in touch with MC and a few others and when asked if there was anything they could do for her she jokingly replied, take up a collection for us to buy ice: it's $2.50 a POUND.!! So MC asked if I could post this to the group, that if anyone could spare a dollar or two to please contact MC at her email here: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]. If you can monetarily great, if not, please send prayers that they get power back soon, thanks everyone! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten returned
Just wanted to say I'm so very sorry that Zing Zing lost a home, because of this vet's ignorance and lack of compassion. It is indeed difficult for people to decide to mix pos and neg. Vets in general seem so un-knowledgeable about FELV and FIV, except for a little book learning. Gloria On Sep 27, 2008, at 8:08 AM, Lorrie wrote: I wrote earlier in the week about the FelV kitten I had adopted. Then yesterday there was a knock on the door and the people who had taken him brought him back!Apparently they had trouble keeping him confined in one part of their house, as he is a very active kitten, and their vet scared them half to death warning them about the danger to their other two cats being exposed to this positive kitten. She cried when she brought him back with all the cat toys they'd bought for him, and I felt like crying too. I suppose the vet had to warn them, but I think he went overboard and little Zing Zing lost a wonderful home. I'm really upset about this. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - Sad
I know it's a difficult situation, but there are rescues and rescuers that take FELV cats/kittens. And if he chooses to keep him, would be such a gift. What I do to boost the immune system - and it works well - is to give 1cc interferon once daily to my FELV kitties that are less than 3 -4 years old. Different vet sell interferon alpha for different amounts of $$. I shopped around and found a vet who would sell me a big supply that lasts several months, for $15. I buy it from him, mix it as instructed, and freeze it in small containers, so that I can get it and unfreeze as needed. I give 1cc daily with a 3cc syringe. Best of luck, Gloria On Sep 28, 2008, at 8:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not posted for a while about kiwi. I think the last one I told you that my son was going to put him on a Bandfield Plan. He never did. Before that I tried to find a rescue who would take him, but there wasn't any openings. I have no funds to get him to vet. Sad to say, kiwi is really sick. He is unable to keep food down. He usually likes his dry food, but he won't eat. I gave him just a little wet food, and he through it all up. He does drink a little water. I just gave him a teaspoon of tuna (not cat food), it will take 5 to 10 minutes to see if he can keep it down. He used his kitty litter in the last day or so. Before all this, he ate a lot of his favorite cat food. He didn't throw it up, but he had diarrhea and he was bony. He was always full of energy. I can't let him keep going on this way, so I plan to take him to a shelter and explain the situation to them and ask them humanly put him to sleep. I don't want to do this, but I don't want him to suffer anymore. To you who have not read my earlier postings, I did not adopt kiwi, my son found him when he was about 2 1/2 weeks old near his did sibling. He bought him home and we did our usual thing and gave him kitten formula and kitten food. He thrived. My daughter who has another cat took her's to a regular vet visit, but de sided to take kiwi also. (this one time) Sadly, Kiwi came out positive for feline leukemia. We checked him about when he was about 7 or 8 months old, and again he came back positive. We new that we would not be able to afford to pay a vet so we tried to find a rescue. None of them were able to take a Feline leukemia positive kitten/ cat. We live in Fairfax County Virginia, which is a large county, but no one could take him. So we did the best we could for him, but it wasn't enough. I don't blame anyone. It's just how it is. It's just so hard when your hands are tied. Well, I better go for now. I will let you know what happened. Bye, Robin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Updates and Latest videos and info on kittens
Hi Pamela, I don't know how old your kittens are, but please remember that if they test positive, they can go negative, so you have to test again in several weeks. You may have already done this, so forgive me not reviewing former emails first. And if they test positive, you may be able to find a loving home or rescue that you can pass them on to - it can be difficult but if you keep looking something may turn up in your Virginia area. Best of luck - thanks for caring, Gloria On Oct 10, 2008, at 2:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am posting this to both places I have talking about Feline Leukemia. I am now having nightmares, literally, worrying about Monday and if these babies will be positive. ! Please, if anyone knows of some place that will take Feline Positive kittens, let me know and I will put them in touch with the rescue who is handling them. I am just dying inside for fear they will not be coming back here for adoption. http://www.animalsspeak.org/2008-09-00-a-rescue-story-successful-not-successful-sigh-t1238.html Pamela Myers www.AnimalsSpeak.org Register: http://tinyurl.com/58txeu http://letstalkpetfoods.wordpress.com/ www.ElegantBow-tique.com Quote from various consumers! sigh I called the Pet Food Company and they said their foods are 100% safe ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Updates and Latest videos and info on kittens
I understand - think you may have a typo, I didn't give you any estimates, so don't understand that - but best of luck to you and to them. Gloria On Oct 10, 2008, at 8:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, I can not keep them if they test positive. Based on your estimates, when we saw her skinny, when she brought them to us, their weight when we first weighed them etc, put the birth of the kittens around June 20th -June 27th. So, they are around 3 months old now. They go for their spaying and FL tests on Monday and if they are positive, there is no where for them to go and they will have to be put down. If they test negative, they will go to Pet Smart or the rescue can take them. Pamela Myers www.AnimalsSpeak.org Register: http://tinyurl.com/58txeu http://letstalkpetfoods.wordpress.com/ www.ElegantBow-tique.com Quote from various consumers! sigh I called the Pet Food Company and they said their foods are 100% safe On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Pamela, I don't know how old your kittens are, but please remember that if they test positive, they can go negative, so you have to test again in several weeks. You may have already done this, so forgive me not reviewing former emails first. And if they test positive, you may be able to find a loving home or rescue that you can pass them on to - it can be difficult but if you keep looking something may turn up in your Virginia area. Best of luck - thanks for caring, Gloria On Oct 10, 2008, at 2:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am posting this to both places I have talking about Feline Leukemia. I am now having nightmares, literally, worrying about Monday and if these babies will be positive. ! Please, if anyone knows of some place that will take Feline Positive kittens, let me know and I will put them in touch with the rescue who is handling them. I am just dying inside for fear they will not be coming back here for adoption. http://www.animalsspeak.org/2008-09-00-a-rescue-story-successful-not-successful-sigh-t1238.html Pamela Myers www.AnimalsSpeak.org Register: http://tinyurl.com/58txeu http://letstalkpetfoods.wordpress.com/ www.ElegantBow-tique.com Quote from various consumers! sigh I called the Pet Food Company and they said their foods are 100% safe ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lost my Jack-Jack today
I'm so sorry, Wendy - He has lots of friends at the bridge... May he be happy and forever young. Gloria On Oct 14, 2008, at 5:48 PM, Wendy Griebel wrote: My little furbaby Jack-Jack crossed the bridge today. He had cancer and was not responding to treatment. We will miss him greatly. Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] seeking home for adult feluk positive
What state do you live in now, Tad? Gloria (in Arkansas) On Oct 22, 2008, at 11:41 PM, Tad Burnett wrote: Hi Kelley Funny thing about the heart I knew my blood pressure was high for 15 or 20 years but never did anything about it... I was probably in better shape half way through my hospital stay than I have been in a long time... I do every thing that I did before except for a new diet and $300 a month for pills I probably am a lot better than I would have been... The other thing is if you take in 33 FeLV+ cats in 5 years the 9 that I now have are probably the 1/3 that can live for 8 or more years so I guess its time I started getting my numbers down As things are now they will all stay here but just no more new ones Tad Kelley Saveika wrote: OMG. I am so sorry to hear about your heart attack. I wish you a speedy recovery. On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Susan Every one has orange kitties lately... I just brought home a young orange boy a couple months ago and discovered I was having a heart attack the next morning... 4 days in the hospital... I currently have 9 FeLV+ and 12 seniors and am learning to say NO In the mean time there are 4 6month old orange kittens in eastern Mass. that are running out of time Help Tad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten chronic loose stool
Kerry, I've used one of Dr. Pitcairn's recipes for diarrhea, quite a few years ago - had rice in it, and some other ingredients I dont recall. I used it for Mr. Black Kitty, who was FELV/FIV positive. IT worked really well. I didn't use it exactly, used canned chicken rather than raw, and it still worked well. After a few weeks, I switched to a canned lamb and rice food, and he still did well on it. Just fyi - Gloria On Oct 28, 2008, at 10:56 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Hi all, My FeLV foster kitten, Daisy (about 14 weeks old now) has had soft stools, and sometimes uncontrollable diarrhea, ever since she was found in the street at 3 weeks. When I began fostering her about 5 weeks ago she had been taking meds for coccidia for several weeks without improvement. I took her to my vet, who has state of the art everything, including feces-testing methods, and he found that her coccidia had cleared up (it never actually goes away) and what she had was (bad) bacterial growth. He put her on a 3-meds treatment plan that included 5 days Panacure. She has control now, but her stool is still baby food consistency. My question is---have any of you ever used an exclusive diet of broiled or raw chicken to treat a *kitten's* diarrhea/loose stool? I've used it successfully with my former adult FeLV, Snoball, but I'm worried about the effects of an incomplete (albeit temporary) diet of this kind on a kitten. I'd also welcome hearing of any other successful ways that anyone may have found in treating kittens' loose stools. Thanks! Kerry M. _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] my kittens!
I've got two that are over 10. I have 3 that are under 4. I'm giving the ones under 4, daily oral interferon alpha - hopefully help them make it past 3 yrs. Gloria On Nov 2, 2008, at 4:54 PM, catatonya wrote: I'm sure you've had many responses by now, but the answer is a big no. I've got a 10 year old leukemia positive on my bed with me right now. Fat, sassy, and happy. tonya SALLY NORDSTROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I rescued a litter of kittens and they have been diagnosed with feline leukemia. Is this necessarily a death sentence? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
