Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-27 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, July 25, 2014 9:15:10 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Jul 2014, at 04:32, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 2:36:24 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Jul 2014, at 20:18, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:56:26 PM

Re: John Searle on consciousness

2014-07-27 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, July 27, 2014 5:55:33 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 28 July 2014 04:51, John Clark johnk...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 4:40 AM, LizR liz...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: https://www.ted.com/talks/john_searle_our_shared_condition_consciousness As the

Re: It Knows That It Knows

2014-07-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 4:16:07 AM UTC-4, Kim Jones wrote: On 23 Jul 2014, at 4:33 am, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: To be unconscious is not merely to lose the faculties which make our quality of life human, but to lose all faculties. Perhaps, but I

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 2:36:24 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Jul 2014, at 20:18, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:56:26 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: PGC, I am not being critical of Bruno. I just do not understand what he is saying. My understanding

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-22 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:56:26 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: PGC, I am not being critical of Bruno. I just do not understand what he is saying. My understanding is that if comp is correct, it is both 3p and 1p correct. Bruno's argument to me has been that comp is not correct in 1p. When I

Re: It Knows That It Knows

2014-07-22 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, July 19, 2014 11:26:13 PM UTC-4, Kim Jones wrote: A good thinking habit to cultivate is simplicity. Try and make it as simple as you can. Consciousness comes in two flavours (that I know of): 1. I know 2. I know that I know. (Presumably something to do with remembering

Re: Chalmers and Consciousness

2014-07-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, July 20, 2014 9:58:46 AM UTC-4, David Nyman wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=uhRhtFFhNzQ This is a TED video of David Chalmers on the Hard Problem. His basic ideas will be pretty well known to most of us on this list although interestingly, he now

Re: Autism, Aspbergers, and the Hard Problem

2014-07-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, July 18, 2014 3:08:40 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:02:18 AM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: So often it becomes clear to me in debating the issues of consciousness that they are missing something which cannot be replaced by logic. The way

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, July 17, 2014 4:25:07 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Jul 2014, at 01:20, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Jul 2014, at 15:05, Craig Weinberg wrote: So much of our attention in logic and math is focused

Autism, Aspbergers, and the Hard Problem

2014-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://www.autism-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/TOM-in-TD-and-ASD.pdf This test was also originally devised by Wellman and Estes, and involves asking the child what the brain is for. They found that *normal 3-4 year olds already know that the brain has a set of mental functions*,

Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
So much of our attention in logic and math is focused on using processes to turn specific inputs into even more specific binary outputs. Very little attention is paid to what inputs and outputs are or to the understanding of what truth is in theoretical terms. The possibility of inputs is

Re: Autism, Aspbergers, and the Hard Problem

2014-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 9:53:43 AM UTC-4, David Nyman wrote: On 16 July 2014 14:02, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: but I would say it is very likely that having mindreading-empathy deficits on the autistic spectrum would tend to result in a strong bias against

Re: Autism, Aspbergers, and the Hard Problem

2014-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:06:27 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Jul 2014, at 15:02, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://www.autism-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/TOM-in-TD-and-ASD.pdf This test was also originally devised by Wellman and Estes, and involves asking

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Jul 2014, at 15:05, Craig Weinberg wrote: So much of our attention in logic and math is focused on using processes to turn specific inputs into even more specific binary outputs. Very little attention is paid

Re: Through The Wormhole Episode

2014-06-10 Thread Craig Weinberg
place is not true or false. Craig Samiya On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Through the Wormhole: Is God an Alien Concept? http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1hexc7_is-god-an-alien-concept_shortfilms?start=2 http://www.dailymotion.com

Through The Wormhole Episode

2014-06-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
Through the Wormhole: Is God an Alien Concept? http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1hexc7_is-god-an-alien-concept_shortfilms?start=2 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1hexc7_is-god-an-alien-concept_shortfilms?start=2 If you haven’t seen this episode, I highly recommend it. Early on there is an

Re: HAL is here!

2014-06-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
Nah, just more hype. Telling the judges that the computer was a 13 year old who speaks English as a second language is tampering. Why not say that they are developmentally disabled or a sociopath? No dice. At least they could have used 13 year old judges. On Sunday, June 8, 2014 10:34:10 PM

Re: Top-down causation

2014-05-31 Thread Craig Weinberg
It seems much more sensible to me that bottom-up emergence and top-down divergence are poles of a continuum of trans-causal interaction. I would assume that there is also center-out and periphery-in interaction, as well as other kinds of harmonic chords of coincident

Re: Free Will Universe Model - James Tagg

2014-05-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, May 19, 2014 2:40:54 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 May 2014, at 21:37, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:56:48 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 May 2014, at 17:43, Craig Weinberg wrote: Free Will Universe Model: Non-computability and its

Re: Free Will Universe Model - James Tagg

2014-05-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, May 18, 2014 9:59:10 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 19 May 2014 07:37, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: You did not provide evidence that they cannot do that. His evidence was the negative answer to Hilbert's 10th problem. To be exact, it's claimed

Re: Free Will Universe Model - James Tagg

2014-05-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, May 18, 2014 10:53:57 PM UTC-4, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 07:01:01PM -0700, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, May 18, 2014 9:34:40 PM UTC-4, Russell Standish wrote: This doesn't follow. An evolutionary algorithm with a real random source, can

Re: Moneybot Singularity

2014-05-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
for itself and for civilization. Craig Jason On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: An interesting little thought experiment to consider: Is there a way to create a program or AI moneybot which can figure out how to make more money

Re: Video of VCR

2014-05-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, May 15, 2014 6:06:00 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 16 May 2014 08:22, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: On Thursday, May 15, 2014 2:19:01 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 May 2014, at 14:40, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:34:55 PM UTC-4

Re: Video of VCR

2014-05-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, May 16, 2014 3:20:24 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 May 2014, at 22:22, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, May 15, 2014 2:19:01 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 May 2014, at 14:40, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:34:55 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal

Free Will Universe Model - James Tagg

2014-05-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
Free Will Universe Model: Non-computability and its relationship to the ‘hardware’ of our Universe I saw his poster presentation at the TSC conference in Tucson and thought it was pretty impressive. I'm not qualified to comment on the math, but I don't see any obvious problems with his general

Re: Moneybot Singularity

2014-05-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:18:15 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 16 May 2014 08:29, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: On Thursday, May 15, 2014 3:55:12 PM UTC-4, JohnM wrote: Craig: beautiful reply, appreciate your understanding and explanation. H O W E V E R : if we MIX

Re: Free Will Universe Model - James Tagg

2014-05-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:56:48 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 May 2014, at 17:43, Craig Weinberg wrote: Free Will Universe Model: Non-computability and its relationship to the ‘hardware’ of our Universe I saw his poster presentation at the TSC conference in Tucson and thought

Re: Free Will Universe Model - James Tagg

2014-05-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, May 18, 2014 9:34:40 PM UTC-4, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 08:43:23AM -0700, Craig Weinberg wrote: Free Will Universe Model: Non-computability and its relationship to the ‘hardware’ of our Universe I saw his poster presentation at the TSC conference

Re: Video of VCR

2014-05-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:34:55 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 May 2014, at 03:45, Craig Weinberg wrote: I'm showing that authenticity can be empirically demonstrated, and that the failure of logic to detect the significance of authenticity can be empirically demonstrated

Re: Video of VCR

2014-05-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, May 15, 2014 2:19:01 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 May 2014, at 14:40, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:34:55 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 May 2014, at 03:45, Craig Weinberg wrote: I'm showing that authenticity can be empirically

Re: Moneybot Singularity

2014-05-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
have made it for this list. Applying 'singularity' to the growth of technology is pretty weak, I agree. I guess someone decided it needed a super-amazing name. On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 4:10:11 PM UTC

Moneybot Singularity

2014-05-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
An interesting little thought experiment to consider: Is there a way to create a program or AI moneybot which can figure out how to make more money on the internet than it costs? I see this as a sneaky way to get at the trans-computable nature of consciousness as it brings up issues about

Re: Moneybot Singularity

2014-05-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
100% free will, even though we might, as human beings, be nested so deeply within the numbered and structured that we can barely recognize their origin. Craig John Mikes On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: An interesting little thought

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:25:09 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Wednesday, May 14, 2014, LizR liz...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Comp isn't really a theory, so testing it is a bit problematic. It's just a logical argument which purports to show the consequences of taking seriously the

Re: Video of VCR

2014-05-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:43:16 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:14 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Monday, May 12, 2014 1:50:45 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 May 2014, at 03:10, Craig Weinberg wrote: We don't

Re: Video of VCR

2014-05-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:56:53 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:43:16 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:14 AM, Craig

Re: Video of VCR

2014-05-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, May 12, 2014 1:50:45 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 May 2014, at 03:10, Craig Weinberg wrote: We don't know that. It could be the case that all detections used by the abstraction of the universal machine are done by the sensory substrate in which the machine-program

Re: God is an atheist!

2014-05-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, May 8, 2014 9:40:58 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Alberto G. Corona agoc...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: In this -single universe- context, the fine tuning of the physical constants are miracles by the way, so the hypothesis is true.

Re: God is an atheist!

2014-05-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, May 8, 2014 11:45:32 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Thursday, May 8, 2014 9:40:58 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Alberto G. Corona agoc

Re: Video of VCR

2014-05-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, May 8, 2014 9:56:44 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 May 2014, at 21:55, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 8:53:54 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 May 2014, at 21:38, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, May 5, 2014 10:26:27 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal

Re: Video of VCR

2014-05-07 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, May 5, 2014 9:12:45 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 3 May 2014 09:39, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: On Thursday, May 1, 2014 9:07:13 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: Do you believe that mathematical truths are true independent of mind? I'm not sure what mind is. I

Re: Video of VCR

2014-05-07 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 8:53:54 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 May 2014, at 21:38, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, May 5, 2014 10:26:27 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: Then you can study how to define sequence in that theory. Only because you have an a priori expectation

Re: Video of VCR

2014-05-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, May 3, 2014 3:53:48 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 May 2014, at 23:58, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, May 2, 2014 11:15:40 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 May 2014, at 20:42, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, April 18, 2014 3:23:13 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal

Re: Video of VCR

2014-05-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, May 5, 2014 10:26:27 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 May 2014, at 14:27, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, May 3, 2014 3:53:48 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 May 2014, at 23:58, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, May 2, 2014 11:15:40 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal

Re: Video of VCR

2014-05-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
Ruquist 20140501 On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Friday, April 18, 2014 3:23:13 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Apr 2014, at 20:10, Craig Weinberg wrote: What generates Platonia? Nothing generates Platonia, although

Re: Video of VCR

2014-05-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, May 1, 2014 9:07:13 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 2 May 2014 04:42, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: On Friday, April 18, 2014 3:23:13 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Apr 2014, at 20:10, Craig Weinberg wrote: What generates Platonia? Nothing

Re: Video of VCR

2014-05-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, May 2, 2014 11:15:40 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 May 2014, at 20:42, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, April 18, 2014 3:23:13 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Apr 2014, at 20:10, Craig Weinberg wrote: What generates Platonia? Nothing generates Platonia

Re: Video of VCR

2014-05-01 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 18, 2014 3:23:13 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Apr 2014, at 20:10, Craig Weinberg wrote: What generates Platonia? Nothing generates Platonia, although addition and multiplication can generate the comp-relevant part of platonia, that is the UD or equivalent

Re: Video of VCR

2014-04-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 4:46:52 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Apr 2014, at 21:11, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 1:21:41 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Apr 2014, at 21:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, April 13, 2014 12:44:37 PM UTC-4, Bruno

Re: Video of VCR

2014-04-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 4:46:52 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Apr 2014, at 21:11, Craig Weinberg wrote: It seems like I just gave a perfectly legitimate, clear, and common sense challenge, to which your response has no relation. You're talking about remote

Re: Video of VCR

2014-04-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
...@ulb.ac.bejavascript: wrote: On 13 Apr 2014, at 00:46, Craig Weinberg wrote: Can sense not be allowed to represent itself in your court of argument? That is a very good idea. That is quite close to what happens with the definition by Theatetus of (rational) knowledge by saying

Re: Graham Hancock on The Plant Teachers (Banned TED Talk)

2014-04-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 12:44:32 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 4/15/2014 4:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: An interesting related hypothesis is that language originated from synesthesia caused by psychadelics. Telmo. I had heard that Telmo. Do you have a reference, a link?

Re: Video of VCR

2014-04-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 1:21:41 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Apr 2014, at 21:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, April 13, 2014 12:44:37 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: snip That my sun in law might not be a zombie/doll. Comp assumes that the brain is Turing emulable

Re: Video of VCR

2014-04-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, April 13, 2014 12:44:37 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Apr 2014, at 00:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, April 12, 2014 2:24:03 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Apr 2014, at 20:30, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, April 11, 2014 12:16:47

Re: Video of VCR

2014-04-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
continued On Sunday, April 13, 2014 12:44:37 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Apr 2014, at 00:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: and say that it is computation which is more likely derived from awareness rather than the other way around, and therefore computation in and of itself

Re: Video of VCR

2014-04-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, April 13, 2014 9:32:19 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 12:46 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Saturday, April 12, 2014 2:24:03 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: We know that we cannot make our legs stand

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 11, 2014 11:21:29 PM UTC-4, Kim Jones wrote: On 12 Apr 2014, at 4:47 am, spudb...@aol.com javascript: wrote: Interesting, Professor Marchal. From what I have read some lucid dreamers can actually feel the metal top of a car, or the feel of a wooden fence as the dream

Re: Video of VCR

2014-04-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, April 12, 2014 2:24:03 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Apr 2014, at 20:30, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, April 11, 2014 12:16:47 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Apr 2014, at 20:09, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 10, 2014 6:42:08 AM UTC-4

Re: Video of VCR

2014-04-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 11, 2014 12:16:47 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Apr 2014, at 20:09, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 10, 2014 6:42:08 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: Craig, I have already commented that type of non-argument. Once we get closer

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-10 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:55:08 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 10 April 2014 04:09, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: Dreams need not have any possible evolutionary justification, since their presence or absence is irrelevant to behavior. My dream caused this thread

Re: Video of VCR

2014-04-10 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 10, 2014 6:42:08 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: Craig, I have already commented that type of non-argument. Once we get closer to a refutation of your attempt to show that your argument against comp is not valid, you vindicate being illogical, I don't vindicate

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-10 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:51:40 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 11 April 2014 02:17, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:55:08 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 10 April 2014 04:09, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: Dreams need not have any

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 6:51:13 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 9 April 2014 04:58, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: On Monday, April 7, 2014 11:03:35 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: There is an element of this in all evolutionary explanations, but only until we are in a position

Re: Video of VCR

2014-04-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 4:58:40 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Apr 2014, at 21:33, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, April 6, 2014 1:13:09 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Apr 2014, at 19:09, Craig Weinberg wrote: I'm not saying that I know it, I'm saying that it makes

Re: Video of VCR

2014-04-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 5:42:18 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Apr 2014, at 22:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: Another part 2 On Sunday, April 6, 2014 1:13:09 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Apr 2014, at 19:09, Craig Weinberg wrote: I keep explaining

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:47:01 PM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 6:51:13 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 9 April 2014 04:58, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, April 7, 2014 11:03:35 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 8 April 2014 09:41, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: On Monday, April 7, 2014 4:38:42 PM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: 2014-04-07 22:25 GMT+02:00 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com: On Sunday, April 6, 2014 2

Re: Video of VCR

2014-04-07 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, April 6, 2014 1:13:09 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Apr 2014, at 19:09, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, April 4, 2014 2:07:47 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Apr 2014, at 03:40, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 3, 2014 2:34:06 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal

Re: Video of VCR

2014-04-07 Thread Craig Weinberg
Another part 2 On Sunday, April 6, 2014 1:13:09 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Apr 2014, at 19:09, Craig Weinberg wrote: I keep explaining that arithmetic seen from inside escapes somehow the mathematics accessible to the machine. No need to keep explaining, I

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-07 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, April 5, 2014 3:42:10 PM UTC-4, Kim Jones wrote: On 6 Apr 2014, at 2:23 am, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: It's just showing you that your awareness extends beyond your personal definition of here and now Finally you got

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-07 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, April 6, 2014 1:13:44 AM UTC-4, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Apr 06, 2014 at 05:42:10AM +1000, Kim Jones wrote: Finally you got to it. It was a precognitive dream. I have had many, an enormous number throughout my life in fact, so I don't think we need to beat about

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-07 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:45:35 AM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: Probably you saw people visiting houses in your neighbourhood, but that did not reached consciousnees you were busy thinking about other things. (I will not insert here these funny videos of people failing to recognize a

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-07 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, April 6, 2014 3:13:27 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Apr 2014, at 07:13, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Apr 06, 2014 at 05:42:10AM +1000, Kim Jones wrote: Finally you got to it. It was a precognitive dream. I have had many, an enormous number throughout my

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-07 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, April 7, 2014 4:38:42 PM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: 2014-04-07 22:25 GMT+02:00 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: : On Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:45:35 AM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: Probably you saw people visiting houses in your neighbourhood

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, April 5, 2014 1:35:26 AM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 5 April 2014 15:10, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: On Friday, April 4, 2014 6:00:09 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: Last night just before I woke up I had a dream about a guy coming to the door selling religion

Re: Video of VCR

2014-04-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 4, 2014 2:07:47 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Apr 2014, at 03:40, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 3, 2014 2:34:06 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Apr 2014, at 21:34, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 1:00:54 PM UTC-4, Bruno

Re: Video of VCR

2014-04-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 4, 2014 2:07:47 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Apr 2014, at 03:40, Craig Weinberg wrote: Logic is just required to be able to argue with others, and you do use it, it seems to me, except that you seem to decide opportunistically to not apply

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 4, 2014 6:00:09 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: Last night just before I woke up I had a dream about a guy coming to the door selling religion, so to speak - the details were a bit weird, as in most dreams, but that was the gist of it - I sent him away, saying no thanks we don't

Re: My model re Comp and Life re the Everything

2014-04-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, March 30, 2014 7:21:29 PM UTC-4, Hal Ruhl wrote: Hi everyone: I am currently interested in two questions: Does my model of why there are dynamic universes within the Everything [latest version is below] include Bruno's Comp? Hi Bruno. If life is inherently self

Re: Video of VCR

2014-04-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 1:00:54 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Apr 2014, at 21:55, Craig Weinberg wrote: I believe you, but all of the laws and creativity can still only occur in the context of a sense making experience. Did I ever said the contrary? Yes, you are saying

Re: Nova Spivack on 'Consciousness is More Fundamental Than Computation'

2014-03-26 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:40:40 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Mar 2014, at 01:21, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:42:03 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Mar 2014, at 21:36, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://www.novaspivack.com/uncategorized

Re: Nova Spivack on 'Consciousness is More Fundamental Than Computation'

2014-03-26 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:35:18 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 27 March 2014 04:00, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:40:40 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Mar 2014, at 01:21, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:42

Re: Nova Spivack on 'Consciousness is More Fundamental Than Computation'

2014-03-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, March 24, 2014 5:13:26 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 25 March 2014 07:36, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: http://www.novaspivack.com/uncategorized/consciousness-is-not-a-computation-2 He could make similar arguments claiming consciousness

Re: Nova Spivack on 'Consciousness is More Fundamental Than Computation'

2014-03-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:42:03 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Mar 2014, at 21:36, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://www.novaspivack.com/uncategorized/consciousness-is-not-a-computation-2 Come on, the guy believe in Aristotelian theology, clearly without knowing it, and he

Nova Spivack on 'Consciousness is More Fundamental Than Computation'

2014-03-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
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Re: Video of VCR

2014-03-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, March 23, 2014 4:49:48 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Mar 2014, at 19:35, Craig Weinberg wrote: Continued... On Saturday, March 22, 2014 4:54:41 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Mar 2014, at 19:43, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, March 21, 2014 4:44:20 AM UTC

Re: Video of VCR

2014-03-22 Thread Craig Weinberg
Continued... On Saturday, March 22, 2014 4:54:41 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Mar 2014, at 19:43, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, March 21, 2014 4:44:20 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Mar 2014, at 02:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: I don't think logic can study reality, only

Re: Modality Independence

2014-03-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, March 21, 2014 1:04:46 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:48:30 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:01:43 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:16:19 AM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday

Re: Modality Independence

2014-03-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, March 21, 2014 2:11:17 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Friday, March 21, 2014 12:42:13 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: I'm not so much interested in defining CTM, as in exploding the assumptions from which CTM and other mechanistic, information-theoretical models

Re: Modality Independence

2014-03-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:05:08 AM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 20 March 2014 15:25, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: It means that birds squawk because they like the feeling and sound of it. The intention of using the squawking to convey information is optional

Re: Modality Independence

2014-03-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:09:39 AM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:25:44 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:06:37 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: But all the forms of language do share a common logical basis, according

Re: Modality Independence

2014-03-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:01:43 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:16:19 AM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:09:39 AM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: It formed increasingly high-level associations between bundles of sensory

Re: Video of VCR

2014-03-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 5:02:15 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Mar 2014, at 22:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, March 17, 2014 2:18:58 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Mar 2014, at 17:50, Craig Weinberg wrote: I'm mirroring back to you what my impression is of what

Modality Independence

2014-03-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
Another knife in the heart of CTM, IMO... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_speech A striking feature of language is that it is modality-independent. Should an impaired child be prevented from hearing or producing sound, its innate capacity to master a language may equally find

Re: Modality Independence

2014-03-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:06:37 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:24:33 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: Another knife in the heart of CTM, IMO... It took several minutes of Googling to find a plausible expansion of CTM, at http://plato.stanford.edu

Re: Video of VCR

2014-03-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, March 17, 2014 12:19:23 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Mar 2014, at 19:30, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:05:50 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Mar 2014, at 13:52, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:41:30 AM UTC-4, Bruno

Re: Video of VCR

2014-03-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:37:39 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Mar 2014, at 14:10, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:40:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Mar 2014, at 23:09, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://www.jesseengland.net/index.php?/project/vide-uhhh

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, March 17, 2014 12:58:44 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Mar 2014, at 23:14, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:38:42 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote: On Sunday, March

Re: Video of VCR

2014-03-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, March 17, 2014 2:17:01 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Mar 2014, at 17:50, Craig Weinberg wrote: If someone said that they were agnostic about God, would I be wrong in thinking that they do *not* assume God's presence or absence? To say that you assume comp

Re: Video of VCR

2014-03-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, March 17, 2014 2:31:32 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Mar 2014, at 18:11, Craig Weinberg wrote: I don't think it needs to be an experience to compute though. In real life it does need to be an experience, because I think that it is the experience which underlies all

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