Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 10:42:10 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/24/2018 1:04 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 8:25:11 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 6:40:03 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 9:47:52 PM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:04 PM > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 8:25:11 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 6:40:03 AM UTC, Brent wrote:

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 9:35:05 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 4:43 AM John Clark > wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 5:38 PM Bruce Kellett > > wrote: >> >> *> Flatness is explained if the unknown parameter k in the FRW solution >>> is set to zero. The the universe i

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 8:25:11 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 6:40:03 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/23/2018 8:22 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> O

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 5:52:21 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 7:47 PM > wrote: > > *> **If by "flat", you mean mathematically flat, like a plane extending >> infinitely in all directions, as opposed to asymptotically flat like a huge >> and expanding sphere, you

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 6:40:03 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/23/2018 8:22 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/23/2018 4:47 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> *If by "flat", you mean mathematically

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 5:52:21 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 7:47 PM > wrote: > > *> **If by "flat", you mean mathematically flat, like a plane extending >> infinitely in all directions, as opposed to asymptotically flat like a huge >> and expanding sphere, you

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 5:22:34 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:02 PM > wrote: > >> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:47:02 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:33 PM wrote: >>> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:22:24 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/23/2018 4:47 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > *If by "flat", you mean mathematically flat, like a plane extending > infinitely in all directions, as opposed to asymptotically flat like a huge > and expanding sphere,

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:47:02 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:33 PM > wrote: > >> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:22:24 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/23/2018 4:47 PM, agray

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:22:24 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/23/2018 4:47 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> *If by "flat", you mean mathematically flat, like a plane extending >> infinitely in

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 10:38:00 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 1:38 AM John Clark > wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 11:32 PM Bruce Kellett > > wrote: >> >> *> The point is that inflation only solves the problem given certain >>> initial conditions. We have no inde

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 4:45:35 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 22 Dec 2018, at 18:59, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 12:18:33 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 20 Dec 2018, at 16:35, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 5:37:21 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 22 Dec 2018, at 03:29, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 2:03:06 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 8:50 PM wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, December 22, 2018

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 3:27:35 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 3:04:07 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 1:17 PM John Clark wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 6:46 AM wrote: >>> >>> *> If the temperature was non uniform whe

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 3:04:07 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 1:17 PM John Clark > wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 6:46 AM > >> wrote: >> >> *> If the temperature was non uniform when the BB occurred, if it >>> occurred, why would a sudden increase in its volume,

New equations go beyond Einstein's theory of General Relativity

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Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 12:29:45 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 10:01 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/21/2018 5:43 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 12:46 PM Brent Meeker > > wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 12/20/2018 9:09 PM, Jason Resch

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 2:17:14 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 6:46 AM > wrote: > > *> If the temperature was non uniform when the BB occurred, if it >> occurred, why would a sudden increase in its volume, aka inflation, erase >> or wash out those non uniformities

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 10:08:37 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/22/2018 3:46 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > If the temperature was non uniform when the BB occurred, if it > > occurred, why would a sudden increase in its volume, aka inflation, > > erase or wash out those non

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 12:27:23 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 9:29 PM > wrote: > >> >> >> On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 2:03:06 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 8:50 PM wrote: >>> On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 1:4

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 11:46:18 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > If the temperature was non uniform when the BB occurred, if it occurred, > why would a sudden increase in its volume, aka inflation, erase or wash out > those non uniformities? ISTM, it would preserve them. OTOH,

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 12:18:33 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 20 Dec 2018, at 16:35, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 12:46:06 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 19 Dec 2018, at 16:52, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, Dece

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 2:29:54 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 2:03:06 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 8:50 PM wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 1:42:06 AM UTC, Jason wrote:

CMBR and Horizon Problem

If the temperature was non uniform when the BB occurred, if it occurred, why would a sudden increase in its volume, aka inflation, erase or wash out those non uniformities? ISTM, it would preserve them. OTOH, if the initial temperature were uniform, would that obviate the need for inflation, or

Babbage vs Turing

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Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 2:03:06 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 8:50 PM > wrote: > >> >> >> On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 1:42:06 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:40 AM John Clark wrote: >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 7:30 PM Ja

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 1:42:06 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:40 AM John Clark > wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 7:30 PM Jason Resch > > wrote: >> >> The Schrodinger equation describes the quantum wave function using >> complex numbers, and that

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 10:53:25 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/21/2018 12:31 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 5:46:10 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/20/2018 9:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> > I am not advocating any global reference fram

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 1:05:54 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:45 AM Jason Resch > wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 3:26 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 2:35 AM Jason Resch > wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 5:01 AM Bruce Kellett > wrote:

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 5:46:10 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/20/2018 9:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > I am not advocating any global reference frame, just mentioning that > > for a particular observe, they can define a present that works for > > them (in their own reference frame)

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 4:59:15 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 20 Dec 2018, at 00:50, Brent Meeker > > wrote: > > > > On 12/19/2018 4:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:00 AM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 10:40 PM Jason Resch > wro

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 12:46:06 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 19 Dec 2018, at 16:52, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 12:01:07 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 18 Dec 2018, at 07:57, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 5:

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 12:01:07 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 18 Dec 2018, at 07:57, Bruce Kellett > > wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 5:42 PM > wrote: > >> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 5:31:06 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> >>> But we are talking about definitions of ob

Tegmark's blunder; 10:04

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Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 6:57:55 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 5:42 PM > wrote: > >> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 5:31:06 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> >>> But we are talking about definitions of objects, not axioms of a theory. >>> We know that any axiomatic theory

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 5:31:06 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 4:12 PM Jason Resch > wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 10:54 PM Bruce Kellett > > wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 3:38 PM Jason Resch >> > wrote: >>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 12:26 PM Brent Mee

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 8:43:32 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/17/2018 2:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > Sure. Any argument showing that the primary universe exist would be a > > refutation of Mechanism. That is why we do the test, but they confirm > > that the primary univers

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 1:47:29 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 16 Dec 2018, at 21:14, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 2:11:06 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 8:06 PM wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 11:05:31 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 10:54:09 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 1:18:52 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, December 16, 201

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 1:18:52 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 10:01:18 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 8:56 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 3:28 PM Brent Meeker >>> wrote: >>> But a system th

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 10:54:09 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 1:18:52 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 10:01:18 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 8:56 AM Jason Resch wrote: >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 1:21:15 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 11:36 AM Jason Resch > wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 4:14 PM Bruce Kellett > > wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 9:04 AM Jason Resch >> > wrote: >>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 4:01 PM Bruce Kelle

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 10:01:18 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 8:56 AM Jason Resch > wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 3:28 PM Brent Meeker > > wrote: >> >>> >>> But a system that is consistent can also prove a statement that is false: >>> >>> axiom 1: Trump is a gen

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 10:53:18 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 10:01:55 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 3:39 PM wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 8:58:33 PM UTC, Jason wrote: On

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 10:01:55 PM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 3:39 PM > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 8:58:33 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 2:14 PM wrote: >>> On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 2:11:06

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 8:58:33 PM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 2:14 PM > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 2:11:06 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 8:06 PM wrote: >>> On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 1:41:08

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 9:29:47 AM UTC, scerir wrote: > > A *numerus* (literally: "number"*i*) was the term used for a unit of the > Roman > army .. In the Imperial Roman > army (30 BC – 284

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 2:11:06 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 8:06 PM > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 1:41:08 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 7:28 PM wrote: >>> On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 11:04:

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 5:33:44 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 2:11:06 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 8:06 PM wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 1:41:08 AM UTC, Jason wrote: On Sa

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 2:11:06 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 8:06 PM > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 1:41:08 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 7:28 PM wrote: >>> On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 11:04:

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 1:41:08 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 7:28 PM > wrote: > >> >> >> On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 11:04:55 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, December 15, 2018, wrote: >>> On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 9:2

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 11:04:55 PM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Saturday, December 15, 2018, > wrote: > >> >> >> On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 9:28:32 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/15/2018 7:43 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 1:09 AM Bren

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 9:28:32 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/15/2018 7:43 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 1:09 AM Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/14/2018 7:31 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 8:43 PM Brent Meeker > > wrote: >> >>>

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 11:27:05 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 13 Dec 2018, at 21:27, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 6:49:34 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 13 Dec 2018, at 18:05, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, D

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 6:49:34 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 13 Dec 2018, at 18:05, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 11:34:48 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 12 Dec 2018, at 19:38, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 11:34:48 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 12 Dec 2018, at 19:38, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 3:51:04 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 11 Dec 2018, at 19:32, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> SNIP >> >>> >>

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 6:43:24 AM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:55:13 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 11:41:13 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 11:41:13 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:21:15 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 11:13:10 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 11:13:10 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 3:30:46 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 6:57:33 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 a

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 6:57:33 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 10:07:13 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 11 Dec 2018, at 20:53, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:30:32 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 3:51:04 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Dec 2018, at 19:32, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 10:12:54 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 9 Dec 2018, at 18:01, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, De

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 4:07:13 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Dec 2018, at 20:53, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:30:32 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:02:52 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com >>

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 6:32:51 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 10:12:54 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 9 Dec 2018, at 18:01, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 10:27:37 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 8:04:11 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:53:50 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:30:32 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:02:52

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:30:32 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:02:52 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 6:44:34 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 12:32:5

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 6:44:34 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 12:32:51 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> * As for physicists being materialists in the sense of believing there is >> nothing underlying matter as its cause, I have never

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 10:12:54 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 9 Dec 2018, at 18:01, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 10:27:37 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 6 Dec 2018, at 14:20, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, Dece

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 4:51:57 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 8:42 PM > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:01:26 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 5:50 PM wrote: >>> On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 10:58:

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:01:26 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 5:50 PM > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 10:58:24 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 1:05 PM wrote: >>> On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 5:59:5

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 11:50:00 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 10:58:24 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 1:05 PM wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 5:59:57 PM UTC, Jason wrote: On

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 10:58:24 PM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 1:05 PM > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 5:59:57 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 11:36 AM wrote: >>> On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 3:48:2

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 5:59:57 PM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 11:36 AM > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 3:48:28 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, December 10, 2018, wrote: >>> On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 2:43:5

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 3:48:28 PM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 10, 2018, > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 2:43:59 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 2:02 PM Philip Thrift wrote: >>> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 a

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 2:43:59 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 2:02 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 9:36:39 AM UTC-6, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 2:53 AM Philip Thrift wrote: >>> On Saturday,

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 10:27:37 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 6 Dec 2018, at 14:20, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 11:21:38 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 5 Dec 2018, at 17:19, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, Decemb

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 5:46:13 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 10:13:57 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 9:42:51 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 10:52 PM wrote: >>>

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 5:58:21 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 7:20:18 AM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 11:21:38 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 5 Dec 2018, at 17:19, agrays...@gmail.co

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 10:13:57 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 9:42:51 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 10:52 PM wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 11:42:06 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >>> wrote: O

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 11:21:38 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 5 Dec 2018, at 17:19, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 3:37:13 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 2 Dec 2018, at 21:25, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, December 2,

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 9:42:51 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 10:52 PM > wrote: > >> On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 11:42:06 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 9:57:41 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 9:46:08 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 11:01 PM > wrote: > >> On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 5:39:43 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 3:53 PM Philip Thrift wrote: >>> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 10:28:39 PM UTC-6,

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 4:19:12 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 3:37:13 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 2 Dec 2018, at 21:25, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 2:02:43 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 3:37:13 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 2 Dec 2018, at 21:25, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 2:02:43 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/2/2018 4:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 30 Nov 2018, at 19:22, Brent Meeker

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 5:39:43 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 3:53 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > >> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 10:28:39 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 3:45:32 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: On Wed, Dec 5, 20

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 11:42:06 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 9:57:41 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 2:36 AM wrote: >> >>> >>> *Thanks, but I'm looking for a solution within the context of >>> interference and coherence

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 9:57:41 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 2:36 AM > wrote: > >> >> *Thanks, but I'm looking for a solution within the context of >> interference and coherence, without introducing your theory of >> consciousness. Mainstream thinking today is that de

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 10:13:38 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 3 Dec 2018, at 20:57, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 1:05:26 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 7:39:14 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >>

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 1:05:26 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 7:39:14 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> If you write a superposition as a sum of eigenstates, why is it >> important, or relevant, or even true that the component stat

Re: If Quantum Mechanics can be derived using arithmetic only, how would that derivation begin?

On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 2:42:26 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 2 Dec 2018, at 15:00, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 12:11:50 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 30 Nov 2018, at 12:13, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, November

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 8:25:47 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 2:02:43 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/2/2018 4:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 30 Nov 2018, at 19:22, Brent Meeker wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/30/2018 1:15 AM, Bruno Marchal

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 1:27:05 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 Dec 2018, at 17:12, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 8:53:43 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 27 Nov 2018, at 22:55, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, Novembe

Re: If Quantum Mechanics can be derived using arithmetic only, how would that derivation begin?

On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 12:11:50 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 30 Nov 2018, at 12:13, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 12:34:13 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> What can be inferred always depends on what you take as premises. If you >> start from the

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 8:53:43 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 27 Nov 2018, at 22:55, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 8:43:55 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 2:05:04 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com >> wro

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 9:13:29 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 29 Nov 2018, at 21:27, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 7:38:26 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 28 Nov 2018, at 16:03, Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >> >> On Friday, November

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

ssible. AG * > > > Then you will be astonished, because with Mechanism, there is no other > solution available, unless adding some “magic” to computaionalism, which > makes no sense. > > Bruno > > > > > > *To summarize: you're right that they are "no co

Re: If Quantum Mechanics can be derived using arithmetic only, how would that derivation begin?

On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 12:34:13 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > What can be inferred always depends on what you take as premises. If you > start from the Hilbert space formulation of QM or an equivalent formulation* > and you premise that there is a probability interpretation of a state*,

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 7:38:26 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Nov 2018, at 16:03, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Friday, November 9, 2018 at 6:51:06 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> From: Brent Meeker >> >> >> You're dodging my point. The "issue" of how we have subjective >

Re: If Quantum Mechanics can be derived using arithmetic only, how would that derivation begin?

On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 5:06:50 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 4:56:51 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 4:22:54 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 21:10, agrays...@g

Re: If Quantum Mechanics can be derived using arithmetic only, how would that derivation begin?

On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 4:56:51 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 4:22:54 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 28 Nov 2018, at 21:10, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Bruno, can you do it without resort to your idiosyncratic jargon? AG >> >

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