On 03 Mar 2012, at 01:56, Joseph Knight wrote:
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 3:03 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
Let me ask a question to everybody. Consider the WM duplication,
starting from Helsinki, but this time, in W, you are reconstituted
in two exemplars, in exactly the
On 03 Mar 2012, at 04:44, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/29/2012 9:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Feb 2012, at 13:50, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/28/2012 5:19 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2012/2/28 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
On 2/28/2012 10:43 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Comp
On 01 Mar 2012, at 19:39, acw wrote:
On 3/1/2012 18:16, meekerdb wrote:
But the 1p view of this is to be
conscious *of something*, which you describe as the computation seen
from the inside. What is it about these threads through different
states that makes them an equivalence class with
On 01 Mar 2012, at 19:43, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/1/2012 10:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 01 Mar 2012, at 17:54, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/1/2012 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Feb 2012, at 21:05, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/29/2012 10:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Comp says the exact
On 3/2/2012 1:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 01 Mar 2012, at 19:43, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/1/2012 10:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 01 Mar 2012, at 17:54, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/1/2012 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Feb 2012, at 21:05, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/29/2012 10:59 AM, Bruno
On 02 Mar 2012, at 19:17, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/2/2012 1:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 01 Mar 2012, at 19:43, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/1/2012 10:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 01 Mar 2012, at 17:54, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/1/2012 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Feb 2012, at 21:05,
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 3:03 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Let me ask a question to everybody. Consider the WM duplication, starting
from Helsinki, but this time, in W, you are reconstituted in two exemplars,
in exactly the same environment. Is the probability, asked in Helsinki,
On 2/29/2012 9:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Feb 2012, at 13:50, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/28/2012 5:19 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2012/2/28 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
mailto:stephe...@charter.net
On 2/28/2012 10:43 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Comp substitute
Hello Stephen,
On 29 Feb 2012, at 20:26, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/29/2012 4:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Feb 2012, at 20:17, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/28/2012 10:43 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Digital physics says that the whole universe can be substituted
with a program, that
On 29 Feb 2012, at 21:05, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/29/2012 10:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Comp says the exact contrary: it makes matter and physical
processes not completely Turing emulable.
But it makes them enough TE so that you can yes to the doctor who
proposes to replace some part of
On 3/1/2012 3:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Hello Stephen,
On 29 Feb 2012, at 20:26, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/29/2012 4:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Feb 2012, at 20:17, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/28/2012 10:43 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Digital physics says that the whole
On 3/1/2012 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Feb 2012, at 21:05, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/29/2012 10:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Comp says the exact contrary: it makes matter and physical processes not completely
Turing emulable.
But it makes them enough TE so that you can yes to the
On 01 Mar 2012, at 14:49, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 3/1/2012 3:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Hello Stephen,
On 29 Feb 2012, at 20:26, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/29/2012 4:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Feb 2012, at 20:17, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/28/2012 10:43 AM, Quentin Anciaux
On 3/1/2012 16:54, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/1/2012 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Feb 2012, at 21:05, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/29/2012 10:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Comp says the exact contrary: it makes matter and physical processes
not completely Turing emulable.
But it makes them enough
On 3/1/2012 9:57 AM, acw wrote:
On 3/1/2012 16:54, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/1/2012 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Feb 2012, at 21:05, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/29/2012 10:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Comp says the exact contrary: it makes matter and physical processes
not completely Turing
On 01 Mar 2012, at 17:54, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/1/2012 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Feb 2012, at 21:05, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/29/2012 10:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Comp says the exact contrary: it makes matter and physical
processes not completely Turing emulable.
But it makes
On 3/1/2012 18:16, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/1/2012 9:57 AM, acw wrote:
On 3/1/2012 16:54, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/1/2012 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Feb 2012, at 21:05, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/29/2012 10:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Comp says the exact contrary: it makes matter and physical
On 3/1/2012 10:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 01 Mar 2012, at 17:54, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/1/2012 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Feb 2012, at 21:05, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/29/2012 10:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Comp says the exact contrary: it makes matter and physical processes not
On 3/1/2012 10:39 AM, acw wrote:
On 3/1/2012 18:16, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/1/2012 9:57 AM, acw wrote:
On 3/1/2012 16:54, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/1/2012 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Feb 2012, at 21:05, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/29/2012 10:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Comp says the exact
On 3/1/2012 19:06, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/1/2012 10:39 AM, acw wrote:
On 3/1/2012 18:16, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/1/2012 9:57 AM, acw wrote:
On 3/1/2012 16:54, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/1/2012 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Feb 2012, at 21:05, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/29/2012 10:59 AM, Bruno
On 28 Feb 2012, at 20:17, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/28/2012 10:43 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Digital physics says that the whole universe can be substituted
with a program, that obviously imply comp (that we can substitue
your brain with a digital one), but comp shows that to be
On 28 Feb 2012, at 21:41, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/28/2012 12:29 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 28, 10:43 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
Comp substitute consciousness... such as you could not feel any
difference (in your consciousness from your POV) if your brain was
On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:15, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2012/2/28 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On Feb 28, 10:43 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
Comp substitute consciousness... such as you could not feel any
difference (in your consciousness from your POV) if your brain was
On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:19, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2012/2/28 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
On 2/28/2012 10:43 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Comp substitute consciousness... such as you could not feel any
difference (in your consciousness from your POV) if your brain was
substituted
On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:45, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 28, 5:15 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
the you
before is no more.
That's what I have been arguing all along. Yes, doctor = Yes, death.
It's delightful that there will be a digital imposter/identical twin
who believes
On 2/28/2012 5:19 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2012/2/28 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
mailto:stephe...@charter.net
On 2/28/2012 10:43 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Comp substitute consciousness... such as you could not feel any
difference (in your consciousness from your
On 2/29/2012 12:50 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/28/2012 9:40 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/28/2012 3:41 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/28/2012 12:29 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 28, 10:43 am, Quentin Anciauxallco...@gmail.com wrote:
Comp substitute consciousness... such as you could not feel
On 29 Feb 2012, at 13:50, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/28/2012 5:19 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2012/2/28 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
On 2/28/2012 10:43 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Comp substitute consciousness... such as you could not feel any
difference (in your consciousness
On Feb 29, 4:45 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:09, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 28, 3:41 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
The implication of Comp is that there is no you. You are an
abstraction, a fiction,
just another element in a model of the
On Feb 29, 5:03 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:45, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 28, 5:15 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
the you
before is no more.
That's what I have been arguing all along. Yes, doctor = Yes, death.
It's delightful
On 2/29/2012 1:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Feb 2012, at 20:17, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/28/2012 10:43 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Digital physics says that the whole universe can be substituted with a program, that
obviously imply comp (that we can substitue your brain with a
On 2/29/2012 5:47 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/29/2012 12:50 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/28/2012 9:40 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/28/2012 3:41 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/28/2012 12:29 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 28, 10:43 am, Quentin Anciauxallco...@gmail.com wrote:
Comp substitute
On 2/29/2012 8:35 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 29, 4:45 am, Bruno Marchalmarc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:09, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 28, 3:41 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
The implication of Comp is that there is no you. You are an
abstraction, a fiction,
On 29 Feb 2012, at 17:47, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/29/2012 1:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Feb 2012, at 20:17, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/28/2012 10:43 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Digital physics says that the whole universe can be substituted
with a program, that obviously imply comp
On 29 Feb 2012, at 17:35, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 29, 4:45 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:09, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 28, 3:41 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
The implication of Comp is that there is no you. You are an
abstraction, a
On 2/29/2012 4:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Feb 2012, at 20:17, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/28/2012 10:43 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Digital physics says that the whole universe can be substituted with
a program, that obviously imply comp (that we can substitue your
brain with a
On 2/29/2012 10:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Comp says the exact contrary: it makes matter and physical processes not completely
Turing emulable.
But it makes them enough TE so that you can yes to the doctor who proposes to replace some
part of your brain (which is made of matter) with a
2012/2/29 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
On 2/29/2012 10:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Comp says the exact contrary: it makes matter and physical processes not
completely Turing emulable.
But it makes them enough TE so that you can yes to the doctor who proposes
to replace some part of your
On 2/29/2012 12:10 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2012/2/29 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
On 2/29/2012 10:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Comp says the exact contrary: it makes matter and physical processes not
completely
Turing emulable.
But it makes
On 2/28/2012 4:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 27 Feb 2012, at 20:02, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/27/2012 12:26 PM, ronaldheld wrote:
What observations or measurements can I perform that would falsify
COMP?
Hi,
Any measurement of a physical process that cannot be simulated by
a Turing
2012/2/28 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
On 2/28/2012 4:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 27 Feb 2012, at 20:02, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/27/2012 12:26 PM, ronaldheld wrote:
What observations or measurements can I perform that would falsify
COMP?
Hi,
Any measurement of a
On 28 Feb 2012, at 16:29, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/28/2012 4:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 27 Feb 2012, at 20:02, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/27/2012 12:26 PM, ronaldheld wrote:
What observations or measurements can I perform that would falsify
COMP?
Hi,
Any measurement of a
On 2/28/2012 7:43 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Dear Bruno,
Let me see if my thoughts are correct as I can best write them. COMP is the
conjunction of Yes Doctor, the Church Thesis and Arithmetic Realism, correct? I am now
not sure of the definition of Digital physics given this thread so
On 2/28/2012 10:43 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Comp substitute consciousness... such as you could not feel any
difference (in your consciousness from your POV) if your brain was
substituted for a digital brain.
Hi Quentin,
OK, but could you elaborate on this statement? Is the
On 2/28/2012 1:32 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/28/2012 7:43 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Dear Bruno,
Let me see if my thoughts are correct as I can best write them.
COMP is the conjunction of Yes Doctor, the Church Thesis and
Arithmetic Realism, correct? I am now not sure of the definition of
On 2/28/2012 1:40 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Stephen did wrote that, not me... ;)
2012/2/28 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
On 2/28/2012 7:43 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Dear Bruno,
Let me see if my thoughts are correct as I can best write
them.
On 2/28/2012 2:38 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/28/2012 1:32 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/28/2012 7:43 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Dear Bruno,
Let me see if my thoughts are correct as I can best write them.
COMP is the conjunction of Yes Doctor, the Church Thesis and
Arithmetic Realism,
On 2/28/2012 11:38 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/28/2012 1:32 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/28/2012 7:43 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Dear Bruno,
Let me see if my thoughts are correct as I can best write them. COMP is the
conjunction of Yes Doctor, the Church Thesis and Arithmetic Realism,
On Feb 28, 10:43 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
Comp substitute consciousness... such as you could not feel any
difference (in your consciousness from your POV) if your brain was
substituted for a digital brain.
What if you have two digital substitute brains? Do you become both
On 2/28/2012 11:48 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/28/2012 2:38 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/28/2012 1:32 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/28/2012 7:43 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Dear Bruno,
Let me see if my thoughts are correct as I can best write them. COMP is the
conjunction of Yes
On 2/28/2012 12:29 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 28, 10:43 am, Quentin Anciauxallco...@gmail.com wrote:
Comp substitute consciousness... such as you could not feel any
difference (in your consciousness from your POV) if your brain was
substituted for a digital brain.
What if you have two
On Feb 28, 3:41 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
The implication of Comp is that there is no you. You are an abstraction,
a fiction,
just another element in a model of the world.
That's why I say comp has only a pseudo-1p conception of
consciousness. It's not difficult to claim
2012/2/28 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On Feb 28, 10:43 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
Comp substitute consciousness... such as you could not feel any
difference (in your consciousness from your POV) if your brain was
substituted for a digital brain.
What if you
2012/2/28 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
On 2/28/2012 10:43 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Comp substitute consciousness... such as you could not feel any
difference (in your consciousness from your POV) if your brain was
substituted for a digital brain.
Hi Quentin,
OK, but
On Feb 28, 5:15 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
the you
before is no more.
That's what I have been arguing all along. Yes, doctor = Yes, death.
It's delightful that there will be a digital imposter/identical twin
who believes that they are someone with the same qualities that I
2012/2/28 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On Feb 28, 5:15 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
the you
before is no more.
That's what I have been arguing all along. Yes, doctor = Yes, death.
No... tell me where is the you of 1 second ago ? When I say no more.. I
mean
On Feb 28, 6:10 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/2/28 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On Feb 28, 5:15 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
the you
before is no more.
That's what I have been arguing all along. Yes, doctor = Yes, death.
No... tell me
On 2/28/2012 3:41 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/28/2012 12:29 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 28, 10:43 am, Quentin Anciauxallco...@gmail.com wrote:
Comp substitute consciousness... such as you could not feel any
difference (in your consciousness from your POV) if your brain was
substituted for a
On 2/28/2012 9:40 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/28/2012 3:41 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/28/2012 12:29 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 28, 10:43 am, Quentin Anciauxallco...@gmail.com wrote:
Comp substitute consciousness... such as you could not feel any
difference (in your consciousness from
On 2/28/2012 9:43 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/28/2012 3:39 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/28/2012 11:48 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Not so fast! Tegmark's argument only holds, if it can be experimentally verified
that is, _only_ for ion transport based processes. Consider theexperimental
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