Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-26 Thread LizR
On 26 November 2013 17:47, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Where is the glamorization of genocide?? The U.S. fought WW2 to defeat practitioners of genocide, when it could have just defended its borders and let the Nazis have Europe and Japan take China. And now you accuse us of

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-26 Thread LizR
On 26 November 2013 19:41, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:29 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 November 2013 15:17, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: Most people wouldn't feel deprived if they weren't allowed to play hockey, or go scuba

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-26 Thread meekerdb
On 11/26/2013 12:24 AM, LizR wrote: On 26 November 2013 17:47, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Where is the glamorization of genocide?? The U.S. fought WW2 to defeat practitioners of genocide, when it could have just defended its borders and let

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-26 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:36 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 November 2013 19:41, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:29 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 November 2013 15:17, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: Most people wouldn't feel

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-26 Thread LizR
On 26 November 2013 21:24, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 November 2013 17:47, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Where is the glamorization of genocide?? The U.S. fought WW2 to defeat practitioners of genocide, when it could have just defended its borders and let the Nazis have

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Nov 2013, at 02:31, LizR wrote: On 25 November 2013 14:23, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Stars are essentially fusion bombs and stars can explode. I like to think of them as fusion reactors. I believe only a few of them are capable of exploding. It's just going in the

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-25 Thread LizR
at 12:57 AM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Resch *Sent:* Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:33 PM *To:* Everything List *Subject:* Re: Nuclear power On Sun, Nov 24

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-25 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 5:40 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Actually it doesn't seem hard to make an atomic bomb if you have the materials. Yes, if you had some Plutonium or U235 and knew a little about chemical explosives and how to cast metals you could make a A-bomb. Going from there to

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-25 Thread LizR
On 26 November 2013 10:02, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: I would also have been surprised to know that the second half of the 20'th century was far less bloody than the firs halft. There is a historical trend towards less violence, I believe. I put it down to improved technology

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-25 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: To make a fusion bomb, you need a fission bomb; and to make a fission bomb you need a chemical bomb.It may not stop in the other direction. For example to make a supernova you need fusion. And to make a fission bomb

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-25 Thread LizR
I'm still not sure what doesn't stop in one direction. On 26 November 2013 10:12, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.comwrote: To make a fusion bomb, you need a fission bomb; and to make a fission bomb you need a chemical

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-25 Thread Jason Resch
: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Resch *Sent:* Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:33 PM *To:* Everything List *Subject:* Re: Nuclear power On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-25 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: I like the analogy that stars are essentially just giant compost heaps. The levels of energy production in the core of the sun is quite low on a per-volume basis: a few hundred watts per cubic meter. On the same order

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-25 Thread LizR
On this black hole idea (wasn't this Andre Linde's idea originally, by the way?) - I can't work out if they handle rotating BHs - they mention Schwarzschild who was nonrotating I believe, bu all real black holes are likely to be rotating, so does their result still hold up? (One would think that

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-25 Thread LizR
On 26 November 2013 10:49, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: As part of that endless back-and-forth into Hinduistic Blackholes and Bohr's GR (!!) Bruno wrote: *We have no perfect democracy, but an imperfect democracy is still better than a tyranny. Then we have been blind and tolerate

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-25 Thread meekerdb
On 11/25/2013 12:56 PM, LizR wrote: I heard that hydrogen nuclei in the sun fuse after on average 5 billion years of wandering around bumping into each other (I guess that's kind of obvious - the Sun is due to live for about 10 billion years, so it must use its fuel at a comparable rate). So

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-25 Thread LizR
On 26 November 2013 14:19, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: It's not the lobby that is powerful or wealthy, (the NRA has only 4 million members), it's that there are a large number of gun owners in america and many of them are willing to vote to maintain their right to continue to own

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-25 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 8:37 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 November 2013 14:19, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: It's not the lobby that is powerful or wealthy, (the NRA has only 4 million members), it's that there are a large number of gun owners in america and many of

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-25 Thread LizR
On 26 November 2013 15:17, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: Most people wouldn't feel deprived if they weren't allowed to play hockey, or go scuba diving, or take LSD, but if you are one of those people who likes playing hockey, or going scuba diving, or take LSD, you certainly would

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-25 Thread meekerdb
On 11/25/2013 5:37 PM, LizR wrote: On 26 November 2013 14:19, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: It's not the lobby that is powerful or wealthy, (the NRA has only 4 million members), it's that there are a large number of gun owners in america and many

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-25 Thread LizR
On 26 November 2013 16:37, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: 1) I don't think you've surveyed the world's population. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country#List_of_countries_by_number_of_guns 2) What difference does it make what people in some other country

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-25 Thread meekerdb
On 11/25/2013 7:29 PM, LizR wrote: On 26 November 2013 15:17, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: Most people wouldn't feel deprived if they weren't allowed to play hockey, or go scuba diving, or take LSD, but if you are one of those people who likes

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-25 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:29 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 November 2013 15:17, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: Most people wouldn't feel deprived if they weren't allowed to play hockey, or go scuba diving, or take LSD, but if you are one of those people who likes playing

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:17 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nuclear power On 20 Nov 2013, at 17:33, Chris de Morsella wrote: The more urgent sacrifice we have to do is to make cannabis legal, stop prohibition and the lies which

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-24 Thread LizR
On 24 November 2013 21:36, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: And - PLEASE - do not forget the *G U N S !* (Not that only guns could kill, but they are the easiest to use in killing other human beings. And it brings huge advantage to entrepreneurs and State Governments). We should not

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-24 Thread Richard Ruquist
That reminds me of turtles all the way down. To make a fusion bomb, you need a fission bomb; and to make a fission bomb you need a chemical bomb. On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 5:40 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 November 2013 21:36, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: And - PLEASE -

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-24 Thread LizR
And to make a chemical bomb explode you need a detonator, I assume, and to make that you need a source of electricity, I imagine, which is also down to chemical energy of some sort. However I imagine the buck stops here, or hereabouts. On 25 November 2013 13:12, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-24 Thread Richard Ruquist
It may not stop in the other direction. For example to make a supernova you need fusion. Perhaps it stops at the Big Bang, but it ain't necessarily so. On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 7:15 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: And to make a chemical bomb explode you need a detonator, I assume, and to

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-24 Thread LizR
I don't quite see what you're getting at here. On 25 November 2013 13:48, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: It may not stop in the other direction. For example to make a supernova you need fusion. Perhaps it stops at the Big Bang, but it ain't necessarily so. On Sun, Nov 24, 2013

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-24 Thread Richard Ruquist
Stars are essentially fusion bombs and stars can explode. It's just going in the direction of higher energy bombs. Not sure what comes after supernovas unless you are willing to believe following Poplawski theory that black holes can give birth the baby universes via baby big bangs On Sun, Nov

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-24 Thread LizR
On 25 November 2013 14:23, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Stars are essentially fusion bombs and stars can explode. I like to think of them as fusion reactors. I believe only a few of them are capable of exploding. It's just going in the direction of higher energy bombs. Not

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-24 Thread Richard Ruquist
He just solved equations of the theory of General Relativity with spin called the Einstein-Cartan-Sciama-Kibble theory of gravity, [which] takes into account effects from quantum mechanics. http://phys.org/news/2012-05-black-hole-universe-physicist-solution.html On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 8:31 PM,

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-24 Thread LizR
That's very interesting. I don't understand this, though... The immensely high gravitational energy in this densely packed state would cause an intense production of particles, since energy can be converted into matter. This process would further increase the mass inside the black hole. Surely

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-24 Thread LizR
This looks like another article on the same theory. http://phys.org/news189792839.html#nRlv On 25 November 2013 14:54, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: That's very interesting. I don't understand this, though... The immensely high gravitational energy in this densely packed state would

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-24 Thread Richard Ruquist
I think you are correct. However, the extra particles produce extra spin and torsion while the mass stayed constant. On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 8:54 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: That's very interesting. I don't understand this, though... The immensely high gravitational energy in this

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-24 Thread Richard Ruquist
Being of the Hindu faith (among others) I am compelled to relate that in the Bagavatum Vishnu sits in a Cosmic Egg with universes streaming out of his nose. Poplawski theory says that the baby universe forms at the sametime as the black hole. I will be looking for developments of this theory where

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-24 Thread LizR
OK. I'm just a bit sceptical of the writers now, because what they said in the bit I quoted didn't seem correct, so maybe they made other mistakes. But in any case it's an interesting theory. On 25 November 2013 15:29, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: I think you are correct. However,

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-24 Thread LizR
On 25 November 2013 15:46, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Being of the Hindu faith (among others) I am compelled to relate that in the Bagavatum Vishnu sits in a Cosmic Egg with universes streaming out of his nose. I'm sure they nicked that from Douglas Adams. Beware the great

RE: Nuclear power

2013-11-24 Thread Chris de Morsella
@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ruquist Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 5:23 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nuclear power Stars are essentially fusion bombs and stars can explode. It's just going in the direction of higher energy bombs. Not sure what comes after

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Stars are essentially fusion bombs and stars can explode. I like the analogy that stars are essentially just giant compost heaps. The levels of energy production in the core of the sun is quite low on a per-volume

RE: Nuclear power

2013-11-24 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Resch Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:33 PM To: Everything List Subject: Re: Nuclear power On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Stars

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:57 AM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Resch *Sent:* Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:33 PM *To:* Everything List *Subject:* Re: Nuclear power

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-23 Thread John Mikes
:* Re: Nuclear power On 20 Nov 2013, at 17:33, Chris de Morsella wrote: The more urgent sacrifice we have to do is to make cannabis legal, stop prohibition and the lies which go with it. We legalized Cannabis in the state of Washington Yes, I know, and I congratulate your

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Nov 2013, at 17:47, Chris de Morsella wrote: You worry me a little bit I was joking with the tanks ... (Well I was hoping being joking ...). I do worry that some federal prosecutor (with jurisdiction in Washington or Colorado) will go on a personal Jihad or that a new

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-22 Thread John Mikes
: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Bruno Marchal *Sent:* Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:17 AM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Nuclear power On 20 Nov 2013, at 17:33, Chris de Morsella wrote: The more urgent sacrifice we have to do is to make cannabis

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:17 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nuclear power On 20 Nov 2013, at 17:33, Chris de Morsella wrote: The more urgent sacrifice we have to do is to make cannabis legal, stop prohibition and the lies

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Nov 2013, at 03:54, Chris de Morsella wrote: We legalized Cannabis in the state of Washington Yes, I know, and I congratulate your for that. You show the path! Amsterdam Copenhagen (Christiania) showed the way earlier. I hope it works here (and in Colorado too) so that we can work

RE: Nuclear power

2013-11-21 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 1:31 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nuclear power On 21 Nov 2013, at 03:54, Chris de Morsella wrote: We legalized

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Nov 2013, at 01:11, LizR wrote: On 20 November 2013 10:42, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/19/2013 10:26 AM, John Clark wrote: Our grandparents didn't make huge sacrifices to their lifestyle to solve some vague I'm not a historian, but are you sure? Not even

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-20 Thread LizR
My son - now 15 - did a project at school in which he advocated legalising cannabis. He had a lot of good arguments! (Some supplied by me :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:12 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: My son - now 15 - did a project at school in which he advocated legalising cannabis. He had a lot of good arguments! (Some supplied by me :) Good! I'm happy to read this. -- You received this message because you are subscribed

RE: Nuclear power

2013-11-20 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:59 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nuclear power On 20 Nov 2013, at 01:11, LizR wrote: On 20 November 2013 10:42

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Nov 2013, at 11:12, LizR wrote: My son - now 15 - did a project at school in which he advocated legalising cannabis. He had a lot of good arguments! (Some supplied by me :) Cool! But strictly speaking, there is no need of any argument. It is up to those wanting cannabis illegal to

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Nov 2013, at 17:33, Chris de Morsella wrote: The more urgent sacrifice we have to do is to make cannabis legal, stop prohibition and the lies which go with it. We legalized Cannabis in the state of Washington Yes, I know, and I congratulate your for that. You show the path!

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-20 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:42 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: You've got to give it a number and a number we can have confidence in; pretty high is useless There are plenty of explicit estimates of the cost of sea level rise. That depends on how much the sea rises and how fast,

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-20 Thread LizR
On 21 November 2013 07:56, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: That's spudboy's straw man. Straw man my ass! Piñata! Oops, sorry, that's a straw ass... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group

RE: Nuclear power

2013-11-20 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:17 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nuclear power On 20 Nov 2013, at 17:33, Chris de Morsella wrote: The more

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-20 Thread LizR
Excellent. Time to drag society into the 19th century on this front, and realise that Prohibition. Doesn't. Work. Regulation and taxes, safety campaigns, health warnings, and so on - those work. Prohibition doesn't, and should also be seen as a violation of human rights, because it forces anyone

RE: Nuclear power

2013-11-20 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 7:08 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nuclear power Excellent. Time to drag society into the 19th century on this front, and realise

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-19 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 2:25 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Everybody has an opinion but nobody knows the true cost of CO2 emissions, and nobody will know for decades and perhaps centuries. That's ignoring the science that says it's going to be pretty high if we continue to

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-19 Thread meekerdb
On 11/19/2013 10:26 AM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 2:25 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Everybody has an opinion but nobody knows the true cost of CO2 emissions, and nobody will know for decades and perhaps centuries. That's

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-19 Thread spudboy100
. -Original Message- From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Nov 19, 2013 4:43 pm Subject: Re: Nuclear power On 11/19/2013 10:26 AM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 2:25 PM, meekerdb

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-19 Thread LizR
On 20 November 2013 10:42, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/19/2013 10:26 AM, John Clark wrote: Our grandparents didn't make huge sacrifices to their lifestyle to solve some vague I'm not a historian, but are you sure? Not even unintentionally? I'm not arguing, because I don't

RE: Nuclear power

2013-11-19 Thread Chris de Morsella
to all this loose talk about a pause. Chris From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 3:34 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nuclear power The acidification issue must

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-19 Thread LizR
It is, unfortunately, just wishful thinking. Some people want to deny reality. In earlier ages they would be religious, I suppose, and would have denied that the Earth orbits the Sun. In earlier times, people were burned at the stake for causing cognitive dissonance; now we may see the world go up

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-18 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 9:13 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I can think of one thing that could dramatically not just slow but reverse the growth of photovoltaics, removing the tax incentives and subsidies. In effect government has been lying to the free market about the true cost

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-18 Thread meekerdb
On 11/18/2013 9:33 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 9:13 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I can think of one thing that could dramatically not just slow but reverse the growth of photovoltaics, removing the tax incentives and

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-17 Thread spudboy100
Message- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Nov 17, 2013 1:17 am Subject: Re: Nuclear power On 16 November 2013 19:54, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/15/2013 8:36 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-17 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 4:12 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Doesn't Thorium 232 need plutonium to initiate a fertile reaction into a fissile one. That is converting Th232 into U233? Yes, a LFTR needs a sort of spark plug, a strong source of neutrons to get the cycle going. Only about 1000

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-17 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: Perhaps you should read: The End of Cheap Uranium, by Dr Michael Dittmar, of the Institute of Particle Physics (at CERN), Dittmar wrote that in 2011, since then despite inflation the price of Uranium has gone down

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-17 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: A regular reactor produces lots of neutrons but a LFTR makes less of them, so it needs all that U233 to keep the chain reaction going, if you try stealing some the reactor will simply stop operating making the

RE: Nuclear power

2013-11-17 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:31 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nuclear power On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-17 Thread meekerdb
On 11/16/2013 1:12 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Doesn't Thorium 232 need plutonium to initiate a fertile reaction into a fissile one. No. It needs some seed of a neutron emitter to get the breeding cycle started, but U235 will work. Brent -- You received this message because you are

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-17 Thread meekerdb
On 11/16/2013 10:17 PM, LizR wrote: On 16 November 2013 19:54, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/15/2013 8:36 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: First, I think maybe we disagree as to what constitutes a police state. My definition of it is one in

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-17 Thread LizR
On 18 November 2013 03:29, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Perhaps I am raising the technology bar, way too high, but I have suspected, that there is some sort of nuclear phenomena, be it fission or fusion, that is usable for human civilization-some laboratory phenomena, that never got looked at,

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-17 Thread LizR
On 18 November 2013 11:13, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/16/2013 10:17 PM, LizR wrote: On 16 November 2013 19:54, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/15/2013 8:36 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: First, I think maybe we disagree as to what constitutes a police state.

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-17 Thread meekerdb
On 11/17/2013 9:30 AM, John Clark wrote: I can think of one thing that could dramatically not just slow but reverse the growth of photovoltaics, removing the tax incentives and subsidies. In effect government has been lying to the free market about the true cost to the economy of solar cells.

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-16 Thread spudboy100
Cost-ways, I can see this. -Original Message- From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:37 pm Subject: Re: Nuclear power On 11/15/2013 4:11 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: What about

RE: Nuclear power

2013-11-16 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:55 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nuclear power On 11/15/2013 8:36 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: From: everything-list

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-16 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote: For all the arguments pro and con nuclear fission, including an impassioned speech by a 16 year old last night to a UN Youth Voice competition, what never seems to be discussed is the elephant in the room of how

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-16 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: LFTR reactors would produce U233 – which is very nasty stuff. Yes but nasty can be your friend. Proliferation is a vastly smaller problem with a LFTR and its U-233 than with a conventional reactor and its

RE: Nuclear power

2013-11-16 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 10:44 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nuclear power On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au

RE: Nuclear power

2013-11-16 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 10:53 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nuclear power On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-16 Thread John Mikes
Russell wrote: *For all the arguments pro and con nuclear fission, including animpassioned speech by a 16 year old last night to a UN Youth Voicecompetition, what never seems to be discussed is the elephant in theroom of how much uranium resources we have. IIUC, if all fossil fuelpower

RE: Nuclear power

2013-11-16 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Mikes Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 12:24 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nuclear power Russell wrote: For all the arguments pro and con nuclear fission, including

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-16 Thread spudboy100
To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2013 1:44 pm Subject: Re: Nuclear power On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: For all the arguments pro and con nuclear fission, including an impassioned speech by a 16 year old last

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-16 Thread LizR
On 16 November 2013 19:54, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/15/2013 8:36 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: First, I think maybe we disagree as to what constitutes a police state. My definition of it is one in which the police can investigate and interrogate anyone at anytime on any

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-16 Thread LizR
On 17 November 2013 07:30, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: That is not what I intend when I mention police state. Security around a dangerous facility is desirable. What I am referring to is the wholesale erosion of civil liberties and the wide scale practice of eavesdropping on

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-16 Thread LizR
On 17 November 2013 07:44, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote: For all the arguments pro and con nuclear fission, including an impassioned speech by a 16 year old last night to a UN Youth Voice competition,

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-16 Thread LizR
I'm glad I brought up the subject of thorium reactors, I have learned a lot more about them than I knew previously (most of it good). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-15 Thread LizR
The resources are always the FIRST thing I think about, which is why I advocate subcritical reactors (well, it's one reason). Luckily we have a lot of thorium, or so I'm reliably informed, which is what subcritical reactors use. On 16 November 2013 10:19, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-15 Thread spudboy100
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Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-15 Thread meekerdb
On 11/15/2013 4:11 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: What about thorium schemes Dr. Standish? Also, are things such as hydroelectric reservoirs built on the ocean, and lifting sea water as pumped storage workable, or is it an energy sink, where we expend more energy then we produce to accomplish

RE: Nuclear power

2013-11-15 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 1:21 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nuclear power The resources are always the FIRST thing I think about, which is why I advocate

RE: Nuclear power

2013-11-15 Thread Chris de Morsella
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 1:37 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nuclear power On 11/15/2013 1:19 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Fri, Nov

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-15 Thread meekerdb
On 11/15/2013 6:48 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: LFTR reactors would produce U233 -- which is very nasty stuff. But they breed only what they consume, none of it is 'waste'. Still preferable to the fast neutron U-238 breeder types that would create the plutonium economy, but it is very

RE: Nuclear power

2013-11-15 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 7:52 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Nuclear power On 11/15/2013 6:48 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: LFTR reactors would produce U233

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-15 Thread meekerdb
On 11/15/2013 8:36 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *meekerdb *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 7:52 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Nuclear power On 11/15/2013 6:48 PM, Chris