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TurquoiseB writes:
Dr. Pete, I've been wondering about this while
away
for the weekend. I looked up 'apperception' in
the
dictionary ( yes, I had to :-), and I find myself
unsure of the distinction you're making here. Can
you
TurquoiseB writes:
Dr. Pete, I've been wondering about this while away
for the weekend. I looked up 'apperception' in the
dictionary ( yes, I had to :-), and I find myself
unsure of the distinction you're making here. Can
you clarify for me the difference you see between
'perception' and
PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CC is "Baby Awakening"
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Imagine if everything we said was proceeded by such florid
rhetoric? What a h
Enlightenment/Awakening doesn't appear; ignorance
dissappears.
Good. But I'd say that even this is problematic,
because
people have different interpretations of what the
word 'ignorance' means.
I'd say something like, Enlightenment doesn't
appear;
the perception of it not
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Enlightenment/Awakening doesn't appear;
ignorance
disappears.
Good. But I'd say that even this is
problematic,
because
people have different interpretations of what
the
word 'ignorance' means.
I'd say something like,
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Dr. Pete, I've been wondering about this while away
for the weekend. I looked up 'apperception' in the
dictionary ( yes, I had to :-), and I find myself
unsure of the
On Jun 20, 2005, at 1:56 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
My point was simply that defining what one means
by enlightenment is nice to think about, but basically
illusory, because enlightenment cannot be defined in
words. You can talk *around* it, but you can't actually
describe it. Maybe some
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That's certainly a polite way of pointing out
the
Indian position on
truthfulness. This Indian
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That's
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Imagine if everything we said was proceeded by such
florid rhetoric? What a hoot! Oh infinite one,
bejeweled with the wisdom of the three worlds,
brandishing the trident of boundless Shiva and the
mace of Cosmic Vishnu, please pass
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--- In
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Imagine if everything we said was proceeded by such
florid rhetoric? What a hoot! Oh infinite one,
bejeweled with the wisdom of the three worlds,
brandishing the trident of boundless Shiva and the
mace of
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Imagine if everything we said was proceeded by such
florid rhetoric? What a hoot! Oh infinite one,
bejeweled with the wisdom of the three worlds,
brandishing the trident of boundless Shiva and the
mace of Cosmic
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Imagine if everything we said was proceeded by such
florid rhetoric? What a hoot! Oh infinite one,
bejeweled with the wisdom of the three
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Still being one of those waking state seekers of enlightenment
myself, I would agree that I might be defensively attached to a
particular and no doubt limiting view and understandings of it.
However it does seem that people with experiences of enlightenment
in this forum, and more generally
Folks might want to look up _The Problem of Pure Consciousness_
edited by Robert C Foreman. Interestingly enough, Skip Alexander was
originally going to contribute a chapter on the physiology of pure
consciousness, but the publisher told the editor that this was a no-
no for one reason or
I have had some ideas about Enlightenment through the years from the
TMO view. And I am reviewing them all the time. One of the stories
(fantasies) was that when Enlightened, you know everything about
everything and everybody. And MMY as an Enlightened person know
everything about what you are
---Claudiouk,this is a good summary of my own POV.IMO a person's
enlightenment can't be seperated from how they interpret
it .The interpretation to some degree structures the experience.
Kevin
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Still being one of
on 6/19/05 7:31 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have had some ideas about Enlightenment through the years from the
TMO view. And I am reviewing them all the time. One of the stories
(fantasies) was that when Enlightened, you know everything about
everything and everybody. And MMY
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The discussion is not about enlightnement. Indeed I find it
pointless to discuss something that no one on the list appears
to be able to or willing to clearly and conisely define the term
as they mean it or
Interesting analogy: pushing an elephant uphill with
your dick Makes me go hm.
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The discussion is not about enlightnement. Indeed
I find it
pointless to discuss
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The discussion is not about enlightnement. Indeed I find it
pointless to discuss something that no one on the list appears
to be able to or
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Interesting analogy: pushing an elephant uphill with
your dick Makes me go hm.
Stirs that vasana from the 5th century bce? :)
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Interesting analogy: pushing an elephant uphill with
your dick Makes me go hm.
:-) I was tired from a long drive, and searching
for a metaphor for some nigh-unto-impossible task
that, even when accomplished,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The point, if it matters, of the larger post was that if people choose
to use the terms enlightenment or awakening, they could improve their
communications by offering up a definition for how they mean it -- or
outline
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--- shanti2218411 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--It would be helpful in these discussions for there
to be
a common definition for terms being used
egreal.When this word is
it may mean something very
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snip
Yes, the one who began with the objective to find
who or what
that one was is extinquished in the process. That
one(self)is not
found because it was
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(snipped a lot)
Advaita addresses Awareness unfolded to its core, stripped naked
to
encompass All, even objective phenomenon -- including, along the
way,
the processes of perception, thinking, deciding acting. Nothing
--- Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or, put another way, what makes pure awareness become not
so pure?
Rick Carlstrom
It gets lost or muddled in the shuffle of perception, thinking,
daily life. to use a knee-jerk but experientially valid analogy, when
mud is added to water, the water is
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Yes, the one who began
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--- Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or, put another way, what makes pure awareness become not
so pure?
Rick Carlstrom
It gets lost or muddled in the shuffle of perception, thinking,
daily life. to use a
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Comment below:
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**SNIP**
By what definition? This presumes self to begin with. In other
words, someone experiencing a sense of self
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Enlightenment/Awakening doesn't appear; ignorance dissappears.
Good. But I'd say that even this is problematic, because
people have
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Either I have had CC episodes and won't admit to them, or I
haven't.
If I have, then my comments might make sense to others who have had
CC
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---Part of the problem of sharing expereince is that when someone
tries to share their experience they must do so through their
interpretative system.Futher complicating this is tha fact that terms
like unboundedness may mean one thing to one person and something else
to another person(even if
--- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
That's certainly a polite way of pointing out the
Indian position on
truthfulness. This Indian POV on truth is something
to be remembered
in all discussions about both enlightenment and
their comments about
spiritual teachers. At it's
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[...]
The water,
Awareness is not noticably affected by the infusion of mud. its
this
quality that I see lacking in many reports of so called higher
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Comment below:
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**SNIP**
By what definition?
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Either I have had CC episodes and won't admit to them, or I
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[...]
The water,
Awareness is not noticably affected by the infusion of mud.
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---Part of the problem of sharing expereince is that when someone
tries to share their experience they must do so through their
interpretative system.Futher complicating this is tha fact that
terms
like
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---Actually I think your response makes my point since for you my
description of my experience of unboundedbess changingisn't
really real,but really clever while on the other hand I think my
experience of unboundedness has changed in the way I described.However
the way I described this change
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---Part of the problem of sharing expereince is that when someone
tries to share their experience they must do so through their
--To elaborate on what Rick said, for me the recogntion that the
unbounded is other than the mind has,at times,made it easier not to
react to the activity of the mind eg thoughts that are emotionally
charged seem to have less an effect on me.It also seems to me that
when the unboundedness is
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---Part of the problem of sharing expereince is that when
someone
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Comment below:
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(re: these petty disputes where everyone has to
have the last word.)
I don't tend to get involved in them any more.
Any ideas I have about enlightenment are just
that. And personally, I'm working on my last
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And personally, I'm working on my last
words being, as I surf into the Bardo, Shit,
that was fun! :-)
Unc
Unc, I would've thought yours would be more like, Man, that was
f*cked UP, waaay UP!
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And personally, I'm working on my last
words being, as I surf into the Bardo, Shit,
that was fun! :-)
Unc, I would've thought yours
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unc, I would've thought yours would be more like, Man, that was
f*cked UP, waaay UP!
I had in mind my whole life when I wrote the above.
And there is simply no WAY that it was f*cked up.
It's been pretty much a gas
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words can be too fun a puzzle for me sometimes...I meant it this way
when I said it: f*cked referring to your enjoyable sexual
experiences that you have touched upon on FFL, and UP meaning you
have merged your
You should read Finnegan's Wake. That'd keep you busy
for a while. :-) Playing with words in several lang-
uages, and with the sounds they make, relating them to
the sound of Dublin English. About the only quote I can
remember gives you a taste:
In the name of the former, and
Reply to Akasha appears below:
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[SNIP]
That Awareness is
Sorry for lurking, but I think this is a very interesting discussion:
I like the way that Eckhart Tolle talks about words in relationship to
enlightenment. He says that all word are just pointers, because the
experience is beyond words, beyond thought. He explains that words
like: Self, being,
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Some responses below:
akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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CC is baby
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Actually, MMY has characterized CC as merely normal, and
as glorified ignorance.
All that CC is is when there is 24/7 presence of Self. The
claim
that I and me goes away is either a
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I take that as a no. And am left with the impression that your
view
is based on your interpretation of any number of advanced lecture
Thanks for the comments martyboi.
You have made the assumption that all languages for describing
enlightenment are describing the same thing, even though the
descriptions sound different. This may not be the case. This becomes
more than just an interesting hobby when having to make choices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
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CC is well described as glorified ignorance, especially the early
stages of it. But, Sparaig, you need to read your 'Gita a little more
carefully regarding I and enlightenment. I suspect your
understanding of
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Who's Peter?
That's what I've been trying to figure out.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Akasha, great to see you back. Hope you are well.
On Jun 15, 2005, at 9:29 PM, akasha_108 wrote:
Ut oh Peter, now you have done it! You called CC baby
awakening. Tom
is going to go totally ballistic! I quoted you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am simply saying I don't necessarily experience a natural
progression of TC - CC - GC - UC...and really either does the
tradition. That's
reassuring for me. I know some paths introduce unity right away--you
grab what you
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That response was quite funny, Vaj!
Said Peter when Vaj pushed his button...
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On Jun 15, 2005, at 11:17 PM, sparaig wrote:
All that CC is is when there is 24/7 presence of Self. The
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thanks for the comments martyboi.
You have made the assumption that all languages for describing
enlightenment are describing the same thing, even though the
descriptions sound different. This may not be the case.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So which Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath has endorsed YOU as a
preferred candidate to become his sucessor?
It's just a meaningless statement, Lawson. It's like
someone saying, My choice for US President is Nelson
Mandela.
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CC is baby awakening. Cessation of identification of
consciousness
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We automatically call our self the most permanent set of things
present in our mental landscape. For most, these include personality,
beliefs, habits, emotions, etc. When somone has 24/7 witnessing, the
most permanent
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We automatically call our self the most permanent set of things
present in our mental landscape. For most, these include
personality,
beliefs, habits, emotions, etc. When somone has 24/7 witnessing, the
most permanent
-Maybe she meant, that when the ego self is transcended, and the
Self is realized, than one begins to be more present, in the moment,
obviously...And being more present in the moment, allows one
to feel the moment more; therefore, without fear, being present in
the moment allows one to just
-In regard to the last post: there is no fear, because the ego is
the origin of fear, due to it's quality of seperating,...everything..
whereas the Self, there is unity, no need to fear...anything, as to
fear requires you to feel threatened or seperated from something, or
disconnected, etc, all
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-Maybe she meant, that when the ego self is transcended, and the
Self is realized, than one begins to be more present, in the
moment, obviously...And being more present in the moment, allows
one to feel the moment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or, both work equally well, for people of the right
temperament or predilection. And they might not work
as well for people with other predilections. The game
seems to be about determining what works best for you.
Comment below:
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**SNIP**
By what definition? This presumes self to begin with. In other
words, someone experiencing a sense of self has uttered these words.
Contrast this with comments from Suzanne Segal such as:
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-Maybe she meant, that when the ego self is transcended, and the
Self is realized, than one begins to be more present, in the moment,
obviously...And being more present in the moment, allows one
to feel the moment
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words can be too fun a puzzle for me sometimes...I meant
There is a difference between speaking about ego, I, Self etc. as if
these were real objects that could be pointed to meaningfully in an
abstract discussion, and speaking about one's sense of self. A sense
of self is an experience, not an idea. By all appearances, it is a
very common
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Or, both work equally well, for people of the right
temperament or predilection. And they might not work
as well for people with other
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So which Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath has endorsed YOU as a
preferred candidate to become his sucessor?
It's just a meaningless statement,
Comment below:
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There is a difference between speaking about ego, I, Self etc. as if
these were real objects that could be pointed to meaningfully in an
abstract discussion, and speaking about one's sense of self. A
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We automatically call our self the most permanent set of things
present in our mental landscape. For most, these include
personality,
beliefs,
Thanks for sharing your experiences with intuition. My intuition
tells me to focus on that more myself, and you reminded me.
a
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[snip]
I'm a big believer in intuition, and that intuition
can be trained. That is, one
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel
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-In regard to the last post: there is no fear, because the ego is
the origin of fear, due to it's quality of
seperating,...everything..
whereas the Self, there is unity, no need to fear...anything, as to
fear
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis
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Comment below:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
**SNIP**
By what definition? This presumes self to begin with. In other
words, someone experiencing a sense of self
--The BODY is the source of fear, not the ego. This fact (more
importantly and generally), explains why Enlightened Gurus can still
have hang-ups especially in the sex and money departments. The
source of desires in these areas arise from the BODY, not the ego.
Remember: such desires
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So which Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath has endorsed YOU as a
preferred candidate to become his sucessor?
It's just a meaningless statement, Lawson. It's like
someone saying, My choice for US President is Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis
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If you spend any time trying to find that sense of self it
proves to
be maddeningly untraceable. We assume that there is a self, but
if
you investigate into the matter there doesn't seem to be one
locatable. The
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
So which Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath has endorsed YOU as a
preferred candidate to become his sucessor?
It's just a meaningless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--The BODY is the source of fear, not the ego. This fact (more
importantly and generally), explains why Enlightened Gurus can
still
have hang-ups especially in the sex and money departments. The
source of desires in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you spend any time trying to find that sense of self it
proves to
be maddeningly untraceable. We assume that there is a self, but
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
by definition, that is their self.
Truth can't be obtained by definitions. Words are defined according
to a world view that already presupposes a certain truth. That is
why I said (below) that your definition started
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What kind of feeling is a sense of self? What is its taste,
touch, scent, sound or image? Do you mean emotion? Then what
emotion is sense of self?
***
Well, anyone who has this feeling knows it without further
Comment below:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you spend any time trying to find that sense of self it
proves to
be maddeningly untraceable. We assume that there is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
It's meaningful in that the Shankaracharya of the NOrth said the
above when asked about the genuineness of MMY.
It's just One Man's Opinion.
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